WEBVTT - Better Offline CES 2025: Day 4 - Pt. 1 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:04.360 --> 0:00:07.240 On April twenty fifth, nineteen eighty six, a disaster happen. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.280 I was born. 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:22.840 What Welcome to better Off Lying, I'm your host ed Zititron. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.120 We have an incredible block to begin this with. I'm 0:00:25.200 --> 0:00:27.120 joined by Divindra, Hardwareven Gadget. 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:27.560 Hello. 0:00:27.560 --> 0:00:32.280 Hello, I'm gonna going fantastically now victorious song from the Verge. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.599 How you doing, I'm so tired we are. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.680 Now I'm manager, I'm just the power of Christ, not really. 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:43.200 Edwin Graso Junior tomorrow. Hey doo ed doing pretty good? 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:43.800 Pretty good. 0:00:44.040 --> 0:00:47.400 So you're fresh back from the convention floor, right, Yeah. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.680 After thinking I lost my passport there, which is so amazing. 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:52.720 Yeah, I found it. Well, then you'll be just trapped 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:54.440 here forever. I just everyone's streaming. 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:56.160 Yeah. I did not want to say this to you, 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.280 but that is actually a Cees right of passage of 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.240 the people that like I know, at least I think 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.440 like five people I know of like I lost my 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:05.919 entire wallet in the LVC. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:08.800 They didn't lose it in the LVCC, but one of 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.120 the first Cees's I ever went to, I had a 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.039 connecting flight back through Minnesota. There was a snowstorm I 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.360 was stuck there for an extra day while begging every 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:21.000 single airline counter to like put me on a flight out. 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.120 I lost my wallet. Oh there, So like my company 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.560 put me up with an extra hotel. I get to 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.199 the hotel and they're like, you kind of need ID 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:29.560 to check in. I was like, I don't know how 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:31.560 to tell you. I just lost my wallet at the airport. 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.160 And so they're very nice in Minnesota, so they just 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:38.400 let me stay. The next morning, I get up early, 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:41.480 and you can fly without ID. Domestically, you just have 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:42.280 to like. 0:01:42.280 --> 0:01:44.479 Go really just do like a credit check. 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.400 You have to do go really early though, because they 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:51.040 do check everything you own with great companies. 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:52.600 Oh no, I know, because the last time I did it, 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:53.840 there was like what car do you have? 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:57.840 Like the lady was going through my dirty underwear and 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.640 that was my biggest nightmare. But you know, on the 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.240 way to the airport, I had left a review unit 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.240 laptop in the hotel rooms. I had to go back, 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.320 and then on the way back from going back, the 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.800 uber blew attire because it was so cool, Oh, oh 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:14.320 my god, it was so stressful. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:15.120 And I was like, oh my god, this is the 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:15.959 worst light of my life. 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.280 I got home, it was like forty eight hours after 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:19.960 I was supposed to you. And then two weeks later, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.720 the very nice people in Minnesota, the Lost and Found 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.600 at the airport sent me back my wallet after I'd 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:28.000 canceled every single card I owned. 0:02:28.240 --> 0:02:30.760 So that's such a lovely story. 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.040 So, talking of finding things you don't want, what is 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.960 your experience being as the pre eminent. 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:38.280 Wearbrales report, Oh thank you? 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:44.200 What have you seen that's crap or interesting or funny 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:44.680 or good? 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:45.679 Oh? 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.920 You know, I wish I remembered all the crap that 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:49.919 I saw, but I feel like I just jetted sent 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:53.239 it front my head unless it's like super egregious. Oh wait, no, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:56.120 I remember now I'll call it. I wouldn't call it crap. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:58.480 I would just call it ridiculous, if that makes sense. 0:02:58.520 --> 0:02:58.760 Sick. 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.440 It's ther human rare. The ultra human the name says 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:06.320 the ultra Human Ring Air is actually a smart ring 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.240 that I enjoy quite a bit. I did this thing 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.360 over the summer where I wore six smart rings at 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:13.919 wants to determine who is going to be the one 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.800 ring to rule them all right? That one came in second, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:20.440 so I found it quite good and at cees. They're like, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.200 but what if late stage capitalism? Okay, Okay, So they 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:29.080 made the rare, which is like there's it's a desert 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:34.000 themed collection of luxury smart rings, and there's Desert Rose Cute, 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.520 the Stink Song Dune, and. 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:37.880 Then Desert Snow. 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:42.920 Rose gold, gold and silver. Basically, the rose gold and 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.320 gold are made out of eighteen carrot gold. The silver 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.640 quote unquote is PT nine to fifty platinum. Guess how 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:48.280 much they cost? 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:48.920 How much? 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.400 So the gold are nineteen hundred each, like converted from 0:03:52.400 --> 0:03:56.360 British pounds, the platinum is twenty two hundred. 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:57.600 Great. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:03:59.640 I saw them on the floor and I was like, 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.360 I have six thousand dollars worth of smart rings on 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:05.280 my hand. I took a photo posted it online and 0:04:05.280 --> 0:04:08.080 everyone was like no, and everyone was just like, you 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.480 know what though, your nails look better, and I was like, 0:04:10.520 --> 0:04:13.960 these are ten dollars press ons, so nice try. You know, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.960 it just goes to show you money isn't necessarily what 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:18.200 catches there. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:20.440 So they were expensive because of the metals. They were 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.520 expensive because of three hundred dollars worth of at. 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:27.279 Most, So like the actual ring textpecs all the same, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.480 So the actual ring is three hundred and fifty dollars, 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.440 so we're talking five to six times the price. And 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:35.320 I'm like, you know, I was talking to the guy 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:37.799 and I was I was saying, you know, tech becomes 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.200 obsolete so quickly. The battery is gonna die in like 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:41.799 three years. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:43.240 My rings already dying. 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.400 Yeah, and you know rings that are actual gold, Like 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.880 people don't blink spending that much money on real gold, 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:53.080 high quality jewelry. But you get to keep those forever. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.120 Those are heirlooms. You can pass them down. So like, 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:58.000 how do you reconcile that he And he was like, well, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.240 there will be an upgrade path that we're working on 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.320 to guarantee the value of the metals. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.359 Like a skilled tree. 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.640 And then also just like maybe we'll like I think 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.640 they're working on a way to try and swap out 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:10.480 the tech portion so that you can keep the metal. 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:12.200 And I was like, I gotta work that one out first. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.360 Big if true, Big, if true? 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:16.160 This is the only way to get people into smart 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.599 rings is to just construct artificial scarcity. That's the only thing. 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.120 And I know, Victoria, you've covered this stuff a lot. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:27.080 I firmly believe that that whole category is bullshit, Like 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.400 just I say that wearing one, yeah, I mean I. 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:35.360 Respectfully, it is very popular among women or as I'm 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.360 sure demographic is now majority of women instead of men. 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.159 And it's because they don't want to wear the swarm watches. 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.680 This is the thing that story is not well told 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:47.880 in the media. I'm not saying is it any failure, 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:49.680 but this is and this is actually a failing of 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:52.640 better off line. As you literally just heard are preconception 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.800 that we had as guys, which is just and even 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:58.680 my experience of using AURA, the question is what is 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:01.839 it that attracts them? Is it? Is it the data 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.960 is more useful for women are more connected with those problems. 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.320 In some respects because they do have pregnancy. They have 0:06:09.400 --> 0:06:13.240 been putting so much effort into pregnancy research over the 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.880 last few years. They found that they could actually they 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:19.840 did a clinical study. So it's clinical, it's not it's 0:06:19.839 --> 0:06:21.240 not it's a real that's what I mean. It's a 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:23.120 real clinical one. It's not a white paper, which is 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:24.360 what I see a lot in my field. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.640 And one is the difference that just for this white. 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.440 Paper is like a book report by a company saying 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:32.719 we did our own internal research a clinical study or 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.240 a clinical paper is something that they've done that they've 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.440 published that they've paid the money to get published in 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.960 an academic journal or peer review journal, and those can 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.320 cost That cost can be sometimes up to twenty five 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:49.560 thousand dollars for that review. I mean, there's so many 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.159 of them. But yes, actually it was. And they're working 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:54.920 with actual researchers from universities such kind of that sort 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.279 of stuff, and they continuously do it. They have a 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:00.400 long dedication to it. So like they found that they 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.320 can find temperature predictions with pregnancy detection, and they haven't 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:06.760 necessarily done anything with that, but they're saying it's possible. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.080 And they've also partnered with Natural Cycles. So for what 0:07:10.360 --> 0:07:13.239 Natural Cycles is, You're gonna enjoy this. It's an FBA 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:17.480 cleared birth control app. Okay, Yeah, So I could go 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.240 off about that forever. The controversy with that, there has 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:23.880 been controversies that that. 0:07:25.200 --> 0:07:25.720 So there's a. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.960 Long story, but the point being is that a lot 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:32.160 of people or a lot of women have fertility issues. Right, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.720 this is something that is discreet that they can wear 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:39.080 that integrates with other stuff that has like clinical backing. 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:42.880 Because a lot of people use basal body temperatures to 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.920 try and track their fertility. But that's so difficult to 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.880 do accurately because you have to do it first thing 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.280 in the morning, when you wake up, you cannot drink 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.480 and cannot get out of wat you can sleep with these, 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:56.440 it's much more so for a lot of women. There 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.760 is a benefit to that. It is, you know, a 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:00.400 lot of women I know are just like, Okay, I 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:01.680 have a bunch of rings on my hand. There are 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.920 some that are thin and stylish, which I quite like, 0:08:04.000 --> 0:08:07.000 and then there's these honking smart rings. So you know, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.600 that's not for everyone necessarily, but it is discrete compared 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.080 to I don't know, an Apple watch. A lot of 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.680 women find Apple watches. Sleeping with those is difficult, and 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:15.760 sleeping with them is difficult. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:19.080 You're totally difficult. I understand the like functional and useful 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.240 aspect of a smart ring for women that like that 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.440 totally makes sense. I think overall that market though, if 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.880 you're not always looking for the temperature market, it's it's 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:26.360 so niche. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.800 It's not like it's not like your first I always 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.559 say that a smart ring is better with a smart watch, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.120 so it's kind. 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.959 Of a problem as well. Like it is this and 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.920 also they're very annoying. The very I wanted the next 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.000 aura because I really like my sleep tracking, other than 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:48.040 the fact that the charging cycle lost like a day 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.400 and a half the best and then it screams at 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:51.439 me like an angry cat. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:53.640 But it's three hundred dollars. 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.319 And the next one I was like, oh, I might 0:08:55.320 --> 0:08:57.240 get it like a Christmas present for myself, and it's 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.240 like no, no, no, ma, I don't just try and 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.160 fucking buy this, man, You've got to remeasure your fingers. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.520 What I can actually tell you why, oh thank you. 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:08.240 They changed the saint changed the sensor, right, so I 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:09.439 have the four on me right now. If you look 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:10.680 at yours and you take yours off, you have the 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:11.559 bumps right. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.199 Yeah, this says no bumps, bumpless. 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.040 It's bumpless. They've changed the sensors and the arrays on that, 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.000 so that has affected the sizing quite a bit. 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:18.640 Still annoying. 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:20.640 So I went from an eight to one nine that 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.880 that is the case, but the battery lasts a lot longer. 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.800 So with this PO two tracking those last like tracking 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.200 blood oxygen, thank you, So like with that tracking that 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.520 last maybe two three days, I found it really annoying. 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.280 This is seven that's not bad. Yeah, this is still niche, though. 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:39.559 It's still very niche. It's still very niche. But I 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.800 will say at the live Verge Cask recording that we 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:44.520 did last night, when we were meeting readers, I had 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:46.440 so many come up to me and they're like, look 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.240 at my order ring. I bought it because of you. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:52.080 And I was like, I never tell people to buy yeah, 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:52.600 but they're. 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:53.599 Like, look, look look I bought it. 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.560 And I was like, oh, yeah, congratulations, you're. 0:09:56.400 --> 0:09:59.600 Someone so you know, like me, I've never I've never 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:04.199 used these wearables. You know, what is the value proposition 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.280 for someone who is not already in the Marketer ecosystem 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:10.080 using it for one of the use cases you've kind 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:10.920 of laid out, you know. 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.440 Usually, so the killer quote unquote the killer app for 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:18.000 wearables is health. For there are so many different kinds 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.480 of wearables, but the one that people most resonate with 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.640 now is health. And usually like they get into it 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:26.480 because they want to change something or they've had like 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:30.400 a health scare, so oh, like I don't sleep well 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:33.080 and that my doctor says I have sleep appneyet oh, 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.480 I should track this sort of thing, or oh, my 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:40.320 parents just had like a cardio respiratory issue, I'm going 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.920 to buy them an Apple Watch. Actually, the scenario I 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:46.440 get asked most often is like, my parent had health scare, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.319 What Apple Watch do I buy? So it has a 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:50.520 lot of different purposes, like. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.679 What health scares is actually help? Is it just folds? 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:53.959 Do they do more falls? 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.800 If you have abnormal heart rate? Like if you're at 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:01.040 rest and your heart rate normally dips too low or 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.360 too high, it'll alert you and be like this is 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.000 kind of messed up. And there are many stories of 0:11:06.000 --> 0:11:07.640 people who have gone to the hospital have their live 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:08.400 saved because. 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:11.400 Yeah, and the idea of having Apple Watch with built 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.000 in cellular two and then you're all on the Apple 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:16.280 family plan and like your parent could call you and 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:18.880 say hey, I fallen or something, or they get immediate 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:23.000 emergency help, whereas their phone could be in another room. Right, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:24.800 all those uses seem pretty useful. 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:28.160 Yeah, it's just what ED is asking. Here is a 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:31.200 question I think many people ask about wearables. And I know, 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:33.480 basically we spent most of the show just being like 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:36.360 crapping on everything, But I like my orr A ring 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:38.920 when it fucking works and you know what is that 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.160 not the tech industry right now, but what Ed's asking 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:44.320 is like something they've kind of failed at Victoria. I 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.160 know you might not like the idea that you've effectively 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.800 sold an order ring by proxy, but someone probably read 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.000 the thing and when, oh, this actually explains what it 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.360 does in a way that doesn't make sense to me. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:55.160 Can I want to use it for that? Yes? 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:56.959 Yeah, this has a use case of. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.959 So very specific use case. I may be an unpopular thing. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:03.320 Does anybody remember the job own up I was carrying 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:06.400 back that forum of fact was just you were you 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:08.320 were definitely you were in pr at that point. 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.560 But that was on the screenless fitness track and I 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.200 hear that, yeah, yeah, I hear that quite a lot 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.360 from different people who were just like. 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:18.600 I don't like the smart watch. 0:12:18.880 --> 0:12:22.240 It was thin, it was really light, but they couldn't 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:23.800 get the h the engineering right. 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.280 Because kind of crap a building stuff sometimes. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.840 Well their speakers were great, yeah, but they up destroyed 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.240 them because the because it was a flexible bracelet. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.360 It feels like a more challenging product. 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:35.120 It was really hard to build them. They kind of 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:37.280 bet the whole company on it all fell apart. So 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:40.280 you do you have any wearables, Divendra. I have an 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:42.000 Apple Watch, and I always forget to wear it, so 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:43.800 that's the thing. But I love the idea of an 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.520 Apple watch. And certainly I'm thinking about my parents. I'm 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.280 thinking about my daughter to who's six years old now, 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.760 and parents have to think that devices for your kids. 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:55.320 I don't I don't want to put a tracker on her. 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:57.560 But you don't want to give her a phone want 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:58.160 to lose. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.280 And also like if she's off somewhere doing activity, she 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.319 misses the bus or something. I would love an emergency 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.040 way for me to when in a couple of years, 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.320 not at six, but at eight to ten. Yeah, be 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:11.080 able to call me, be able to call for help 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.160 something even just hit a button, or to see where 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:15.920 they are on GPS if they're on like a school 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:18.200 trip or something, because there are trips where kids get 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.400 left behind. So you know, not surely not like the 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.200 most important thing in the world, but it is something 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.120 I think about, and certainly apparently it's two. Yeah, a 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.719 connected device that can instantly help them or get them 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.480 to emergency help like that seems super valuable. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.120 I kind of want to put one on my mom. 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.559 There you go, No, she's totally fine. She's doing well. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.760 She just forever does not pick up her phone. So 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:42.240 it'd just be nice to know that too. My mom 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.720 would probably not hear this, but I'm sorry mom in 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.640 advance if you do so. 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:48.520 Devandra changing gears slightly? 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:48.760 Sure? 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.000 Have you seen anything exciting on the show for anything? 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.400 Really been reving your engine? 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.439 Revving my engine. I spend a lot of time within 0:13:55.480 --> 0:13:56.920 the video, and I know you guys have been talking 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.680 about in the video by all means, yah, I do 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.920 think it is interesting watching in videous transformation to this 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.680 sort of like AI Superpower Company. But I also feel 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:08.199 like you know, I've been covering in video for a while. 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:11.080 I've covering Jensen Wong for a while. Did you guys 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.160 see that CES keynote? 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.320 I didn't see the keynote and just not it was 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:16.520 not good for him. When you say you've been covering 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:17.880 them for a while, yeah, how long? 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.800 I don't know, twenty ten, like pretty much since I 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:22.120 started doing tech stuff. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:23.680 Thank you. I knew that was the case. But for 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.200 listeners this is important. A lot of the people not 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:29.320 Max Journey, he's a dog, but a lot of people 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:33.400 talking about Nvidia now have recently started, yeah, writing, and they. 0:14:33.320 --> 0:14:35.400 Say the video And when you say that, I know 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:35.960 you're opposed. 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:37.080 People say the video. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.560 People say Gary Shapiro said the video on stage, Jensen Hoong, so. 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.080 Didn't he yell as well? 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.440 That was there for that too the way I think, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:48.160 I think Jensen's going through some stuff. 0:14:48.200 --> 0:14:49.800 So why was it bad for Jensen? 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:51.960 Bad for Jensen? Because that was like a two hour 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:55.600 long keynote where the thing everybody was there filling that auditorium. 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:57.000 They just want to hear about the video cards, give 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:59.480 me the new RTX fifty ninety or some shit, and 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:01.920 he's been maybe five or ten minutes talking about those things. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:06.000 The rest of it was on their robotics AI virtualized 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.840 training operations, and nobody gave a ship. Like every It 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.880 was like a comedian watching every single joke fall flat, 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:15.880 and you could tell on stage that it was kind 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:17.040 of affecting. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:17.640 He's trying. 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:23.840 Also what they're they're real, they're real or industrial metavers 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.960 that they're trying to construct this world which everything versus 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:33.560 the omniverse. Plus in video Cosmos, it's a whole Cosmo Cosmo. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.200 So omniverse is this sort of like simplistic view of 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:37.840 a three D environment that you could use to train 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:41.720 a robot or something. Cosmos is a real almost looks 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.920 like a real world version of that environment, so like 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:48.720 a photorealistic environment, and the idea these are interesting. How 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.760 would you train a robot with a decent amount of 0:15:50.840 --> 0:15:54.360 artificial intelligence to perform certain tasks in a black mirrorst way? 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.560 This is actually describing saying it for many reasons. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.760 So it's black mirror. You have them through that simulation 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:02.840 over and over, get better at it, and that's the 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:05.760 whole thing. Really interesting pitch, maybe not for the CS audience, 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.480 and that's kind of that kind of affected him. And 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:10.200 then yeah, the next morning there was a press Q 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.280 and A where people were asking questions, but he also 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:16.400 seemed really uncomfortable and also like, yeah, he was really 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.080 picking on the sound guy that poor Q and A 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:19.960 because he was like, the speakers are pointing at me 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:22.600 and making it hard for me to hear. We're all like, no, Jensen, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.240 you're hearing reflections with the speakers on the wall that 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.360 are coming to the audience. He was like, no, I know, 0:16:27.840 --> 0:16:28.680 it was a weird. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:29.680 Thing, man, It is such a penis. 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.200 But I think he's just like he admitted in that 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:34.840 Q and A that he did a bad job at 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:35.320 the keynote. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:37.640 He was like, I failed to stors love to hear. 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:38.920 Yeah, that's what you want to hear. 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:40.640 That's what you wake up thinking about. 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.680 I don't feel I mean, dude due to a multi billionaire. 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:45.440 Now yeah, oh I feel I'm laughing at his pain. 0:16:45.560 --> 0:16:48.520 He's dealing situation stuff. But yeah, the in video stuff 0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.200 is interesting. The video cards are interesting because they're leaning 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:51.720 more in AI. 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.480 So tell me about with the video cards. So the 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:56.640 lower end one is meant to be the equivalent of 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.520 the forty ninety. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:58.080 I want to say. 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.080 This is where it gets confusing because they using DLSS. 0:17:01.200 --> 0:17:04.520 They're using DLSS, so you explain that for US AI upscaling. 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.520 So these new cards have DSS four, which have AI 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:12.000 upscaling to basically smooth out frame rates so they can 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.680 generate for every single real frame that video card renders, 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:18.639 it can generate three artificial frames, which kind of smooth 0:17:18.640 --> 0:17:20.399 out gameplay. So if you have a really fast monitor, 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.760 it'll look a little better. They can say the FPS 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.200 is higher because this DLSS will autogenerately generate free ones. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.119 Yeah, and then you can go back to the last car, 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.199 the forty ninety, and be like, well, this is not 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:34.800 generating as many frames that one could generate one frame 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.600 per every real frame. So the number they can they 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:39.520 can say the number is right. But if you turned 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.199 off the LSS and you just looked at pure gaming 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.720 performance without any of the AI stuff, certainly like the forty, 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.359 the fifty seventy would not be as fast as the 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:50.879 forty ninety. So they're picking and choosing more marketing for 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:53.560 the gens. They've always done this, but yeah, you're choosing 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:54.720 which benchmarks they're talking about. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.320 So, and just before we get off the subject, so 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.640 in Vidio you've been covering since twenty ten, pulling these 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.840 games for a while, but they always have dumb, puffed. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.800 Up marketing they have. But also the thing is like, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:07.840 what's change? Then they do succeed, like some things do 0:18:07.960 --> 0:18:09.919 work the LSS. When they first talked about it, even 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.000 Jensen admitted he said nobody believed him that this idea 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:15.560 of using AI to upscale a lower resolution to a 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.960 higher resolution on a monitor gives you less like processing 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.280 power on the cards, so it gets you higher frame rates. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:23.600 Nobody believed that would work, but it turned out it 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.600 worked pretty well. There were some issues, and they got 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:28.280 better and better and better at it, and he said, basically, 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:31.000 for the past six years, there's like a supercomputer at 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:34.800 in video servers that's just been crunching the LSS algorithms 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:37.560 to like sort of make that thing better. So that 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:39.439 is a real thing. But I think he tends to 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.360 overstate how good it is at times. It's a weird 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:45.679 thing because I think he's full of a lot of bluster, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.520 you know, But the actual the results, the products are good, 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.240 certainly compared to AMD's video cards and all that stuff. 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:57.000 Yeah, so Victoria returning to you, anything good, I know, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:00.320 good stuff, like, Okay, what's actually been exciting? What's this 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.159 question with some alum because most people have had nothing? 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:06.240 So I actually so my favorite thing on the show. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:10.560 It's it's kind of girly, but it's Laorel sell bioprint. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:11.200 Okay. 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:14.560 It is a it's meant for something like a dermatologist 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:19.600 or an esthetician's office, and it is a machine. Basically, 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.600 you take these skin strips and you take a sample 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.399 from your skin, you put it in a chemical buffer solution, 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:27.840 you stick that on a cartridge, and then that cartridge 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.800 is stuck into this machine. It goes beat up, boop uh, 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.080 and then it tells you if your skin's chronological age 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:38.439 and biological age match, or if you know your skin's 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:43.160 your skinny doing so good. It can analyze like different 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:49.919 criteria like wrinkles, skin barrier function, poor size, uh, you know, 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:53.080 even skin skin tone, like a bunch of different things. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:56.040 And then based on the proteins that it had detected 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.800 from the from your skin and then the solution, it 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.160 can tell you whether you're pro to have those problems 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:02.600 in the future if you don't take care. 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.280 Of things, and so what is the thing you meant 0:20:04.280 --> 0:20:05.200 to do with this information? 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:09.360 It is meant to help you wade through the cesspool 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:13.439 of skin fluencers hawking different products to you. So like 0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:17.240 if you are you know, if you're a woman, probably 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.720 you're on TikTok and they're like, oh my god, you 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:21.840 need to buy a retinal. You need to have retinol 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.639 every day. I'll like, as soon as you start thirty 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:26.440 or you will shrivel up like an old crone. And 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.400 that retinyl is vitamin A and it is the most 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:34.120 clinically studied skincare ingredient. It is like basically what dermerenttologists 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.680 will give you if nothing's freaking working. But it is 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.679 a tough ingredient because a lot of people are like 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.040 sensitive to it. So there's something called purging, So if 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:45.960 you use it, you could end up, instead of having 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:49.320 clear skin, have a bunch of breakouts. And it's because 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:53.600 it's increasing cell turnover and it's just getting all the 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:57.000 impurities out of your face and you know it'll be 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.439 fine after that. The problem is it looks like it 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:03.440 looks the same as an intolerance or insensitivity to rentin all, 0:21:03.480 --> 0:21:06.200 meaning it doesn't work for everyone, and those people are 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:08.560 just getting skin. So it can tell you if you're 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.639 responsive to it and whether it's worth that's really cool. 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.600 Yeah, that's what she really has. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.760 Very cool and so like from different things that you notice. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.200 So like for me, it said, you have some issues 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:21.280 with skin tone evenness, and yeah, I know that. I 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.400 can see it and it pisses me off and I'm 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:24.440 trying all these different things. 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:26.040 How do you deal with something like that? 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:29.840 So it's called hyperpigmentation, and there are different ingredients that 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.320 are said to fight that. So vitamin C is one. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:37.919 Another one is nice cinemid. There's just like tranexamic acid 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:39.960 and all of those. So you know, like the girlies, 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.080 we're on TikTok and we are learning about all these 0:21:42.160 --> 0:21:43.640 ingredients that we are supposed to use. 0:21:43.560 --> 0:21:44.240 In different serium. 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:46.840 It will give you more direction. 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:48.800 It'll give you more direction. And like when I was 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:50.560 talking to them, they're like, it's going to help you 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:53.439 know what not to buy. That's because like when you 0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:56.080 have all these marketers and these influencers, they're just telling 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.320 you all these things that Like I was on there, 0:21:58.359 --> 0:21:59.959 I was like, do you know what the Creans use? 0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:02.359 The Koreans use beffita? And I'm like, what the fuck 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:03.880 is buffita? 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.080 On social media? So like the other thing is you 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.560 go into Sephora or something and be like, help me out, 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:10.760 and I have bad skin, so I have to look 0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:13.560 at this stuff too. And they will either you will 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:15.800 get a good salesperson who's like I got you, I 0:22:15.800 --> 0:22:18.159 will take care, or you get somebody who wants to 0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:20.159 make a lot of money and they will lead you to, 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:21.680 oh you need nice in am, I do you need 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:26.480 hyaluronic acid? All the fun stuff and plus retinol, and 0:22:26.520 --> 0:22:27.880 then your your face is a mess. 0:22:27.840 --> 0:22:30.040 And then you end up with a ten step skincare routine, 0:22:30.080 --> 0:22:33.119 which was popular like ten years ago in Korea. Is 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.600 like super nuts. Like my cousin's kid is like eleven 0:22:36.640 --> 0:22:37.800 years old and she came to She's like, let me 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:40.080 show you my skincare routine. I'm like, you're eleven. The 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.639 only thing you should be using is moisturizer and sunscreen, like. 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:43.959 A Dexta styles set up. 0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:46.359 Yeah. No, And she was breaking out and I was like, 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.399 you know why you're breaking out. You're overloading your skin 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:50.399 and you're too young. You don't need any of this. 0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:52.520 It is a moisturizer and a sunscreen. 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.320 So does this thing give direction or is it just 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:56.520 like it does. 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.480 Give you direction? Because for me it's so for me, 0:22:58.560 --> 0:23:00.879 it was telling me like, oh, you have hyper pigmentation, 0:23:01.000 --> 0:23:04.160 but technically the proteins you're not prone to it, so 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:05.000 there's something. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:05.960 Well the consequence is there? 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.040 So that means that means like I should probably be 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:11.840 using a vitamin C. I don't currently, so I'm like, oh, 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.120 I was trying a different ingredient obviously working, so like 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.280 I can look for a vitamin C. It told me 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:21.200 I was responsive, like highly responsive to retinol, which means 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.680 it will likely work better for me than someone who's 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:26.480 intolerant of it, and so that means I should probably 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:27.119 use a retinal. 0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:29.480 So this and the actual consequence is here is saving 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:30.760 hundreds of dollars. 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:34.720 Hundreds of dollars because these things are not cheap to buy. Like, yeah, 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.040 if you know what drunk Elephant is, I do not. 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.560 It's a very premium brand. And Sphara you walk in, 0:23:39.880 --> 0:23:42.400 one bottle like seventy million liters is like one hundred 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:44.480 and fifty dollars. Like these things can. 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:45.239 Cost a lot of them. 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.680 All this pressure on social media to buy Bye Bye, 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:49.400 to fix every problem, make every part. 0:23:49.440 --> 0:23:52.160 Like during the pandemic, skincare just blew up and then 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:54.679 like Korean skincare is like super popular now because you 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:56.560 look at you look at the stars of Squid Game, 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.359 how do you think they are? They're like fifty five 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:04.240 and their skin looks incredible. They do not look whatever. 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:06.880 And it's because they take skin gear so much more seriously. 0:24:07.040 --> 0:24:10.200 They the tech that Loriol did, it was actually paired 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:13.639 with the Korean startup and then micropluitics, So they're taking 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.560 like protein ten this product of them ten years to 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.159 build because of the science and all. 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:20.960 Right, there was a booth I stopped by. 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:24.000 It was a Korean skincare company with some tech, and 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.840 they had like four pamphlets that had nothing to do 0:24:26.880 --> 0:24:29.879 with the tech and just talked about why skincare was 0:24:29.920 --> 0:24:34.760 so big as an industry Korea huge, which was which 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:38.240 I thought was really interesting because I feel like almost 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.160 every single pamphlet I've read besides those ones, has been 0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:43.440 trying to trying to pitch me or sell me on 0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:45.400 the tech, which I suppose that probably wasn't a way. 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:46.520 I mean, it's. 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.080 Interesting because there's there's an obsession with the lighter skin too, 0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.760 Like whenever I go to computechs, the stuff you see 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.440 on billboards and everything is like, oh yeah, I want 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:56.520 to light complexion, you want a fair complexion, and it 0:24:56.560 --> 0:24:59.040 all feels like this is all kind of I was like, 0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:01.000 I see what you're up to, eyes, Like there is 0:25:01.440 --> 0:25:03.960 very clear colorism going on there. So you're like literally 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:07.400 just you know, scrubbing your face off, scrubbing skin off 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.359 your face just to get a shade lighter, which is 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:11.440 part of a marketing too, which is a shame. 0:25:11.600 --> 0:25:14.160 I mean, I'm really glad you brought that up though, 0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.639 because The thing is with CS is it is very easy, 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:19.119 as I will know, to be a bit cynical, definitely pessimistic. 0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.840 When you look around, it's just everything has AI on it. 0:25:21.840 --> 0:25:22.600 It is nice to. 0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:26.320 Hear, especially for the tech industry, something for a woman 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.399 that is like very like this seems extremely helpful. 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.479 It seems like it comes outside the tech industry too, right, 0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:32.120 it's more of a look. 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:34.080 It's like using technology to solve a problem, which is 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:35.480 usually not the tech industry's idea. 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.159 And the funny thing is that people hear Lorial and 0:25:38.200 --> 0:25:40.480 they don't think they do tech. They have been a 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:43.680 huge presence at this show for six, seven, eight years 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:46.080 now and they are doing interesting things with tech. And 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.639 you know, I hate the term fem tech because they 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:52.159 usually talk about it in a certain way. Usually has 0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.119 to do like reproductive health tracking, YadA, YadA, YadA. But like, 0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:58.480 they have a really high tech hair dryer that uses 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.440 infrared light to help you your hair. 0:26:00.440 --> 0:26:01.160 Why is that good? 0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:04.320 Because if you use so most hair dryers and hair 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:07.600 dryers are gadgets. Okay, they are the they're the second 0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:11.280 most power intensive thing in your house besides the my like, 0:26:11.280 --> 0:26:13.760 I think they use more power than a microwave really yeah, 0:26:13.840 --> 0:26:15.200 and you use them for a long period of time. 0:26:15.200 --> 0:26:18.520 They use heating coils, and that heating coil like you 0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.320 want your hair to drive fast, you put it really 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:21.200 close to your head. 0:26:21.200 --> 0:26:23.960 It damages your hair, of course, because there's a giant heat. 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.960 Right, heat, so you can hold it from further away, 0:26:27.080 --> 0:26:29.280 use less heat, use less damage, and save a lot 0:26:29.280 --> 0:26:31.600 of energy. So it's like good and it's like not 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.480 the sexiest thing in the world per se. It's not 0:26:34.600 --> 0:26:38.480 things like, oh my god, we're going to revolutionize the world. 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:40.800 That is different than the Dcon because they did try 0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:41.720 to revolutionize. 0:26:41.840 --> 0:26:45.119 So the Dyson still is using airflow, right, it is 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:48.720 like airflow versus They did a lot of cool things 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:50.560 with airflow and engineering with the motor. 0:26:50.640 --> 0:26:51.520 This is cool. 0:26:52.280 --> 0:26:54.159 This is not actually applying heat to it. 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.440 No, it is applying heat, but it's applying heat from 0:26:56.440 --> 0:26:56.840 the light. 0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:57.840 It's light. 0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.800 So it's like the way to describe it is like 0:27:00.000 --> 0:27:03.440 when you have something rain right and there's no sun. 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.480 The next day, the water will dry, but not quite 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.840 as well because it's like the wind and whatever will 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.240 evaporate the water. But if it's you have rain and 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.080 the next day there is sun and wind. 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:14.040 It dries much faster. 0:27:14.400 --> 0:27:16.640 It's the same concept but applied to your hair. 0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.280 And I will respond to one thing you said, No, 0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:23.080 I actually think things for woman's skin and hair dryers 0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:27.000 that are less damaging to hair are actually the real revolutions. 0:27:27.040 --> 0:27:30.159 If CS was old shit like this, it would actually 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.119 be a really cool show. If it was like ways 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:34.880 to use less water in a tap, let's still get 0:27:34.920 --> 0:27:35.800 you as wet as you need to. 0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:37.240 Like it's people. 0:27:37.400 --> 0:27:39.720 I think it's because like the industry is like full 0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.400 what the press industry for tech is like full of men. 0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:44.280 I mean we kind of proved that the beginning, like 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:45.320 I'm actively. 0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:48.320 Apolo, I'm actively the only woman in this room. But 0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.760 it's like no. But it's like they have a lipstick printer. 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:55.840 That's pretty cool. You can take a you can app 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:57.520 you look at yourself, you can try out different colors 0:27:57.560 --> 0:27:59.199 and then custom print to the actual thing. If you 0:27:59.200 --> 0:28:01.439 have a celebrity that whose makeup look you like, you 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:03.760 can take a photo, you can color pick their exact 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.280 shade of lipstick and print it for yourself and then 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:06.959 take it on the go. 0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:08.200 It's very thoughtful. 0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:11.800 They have like a hair dye wand that like precisely 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.240 applies dye so you don't like destroy your bathroom. Hair 0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:19.240 dyeing is like a ritual where it's like your bathroom 0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.280 will never be the same. It takes forever to clean 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:23.320 up this. You can just brush your hair and you've 0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:25.680 dyed it. 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We have now been joined by mister 0:29:28.160 --> 0:29:29.720 David Roth of Defecta. 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:30.120 Hello. 0:29:30.320 --> 0:29:32.960 He is fresh from the hyper Loop, which he described 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:33.640 as thrilling. 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:35.959 Yeah, it was amazing. I had no idea that you 0:29:36.000 --> 0:29:39.000 could take a car through a tunnel like that was 0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:39.560 something that. 0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:40.520 Yeah, how was the car right? 0:29:41.600 --> 0:29:43.719 I did it too? Did you actually? 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:44.479 Oh my god? 0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.360 You know there's all this talking dune about ancestral memory, 0:29:49.560 --> 0:29:53.200 but nobody ever remembers what it's like to be that 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:57.600 that sperm swimming through the fromordio ooze. And you know what, 0:29:57.640 --> 0:29:59.200 if you want to know what that is, get in 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:03.160 one of these uh tesla's and travel through these patchy 0:30:03.240 --> 0:30:08.880 white ooz looking walls and the fake rocks and the. 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:10.400 Very short list. It's like a very useless distance. 0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:18.120 Yes, and I cannot emphasize enough how walkable some of 0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:21.840 the like basically a football field. You're in the thing 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:23.880 for like less than two minutes, but. 0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.440 They spent years digging into the ground to do this. 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.080 I spend minutes thinking about why this is amazing. 0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:32.520 I am the first time I went in it, and 0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.920 the only time I went in it the cut, we 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.000 had a traffic jam and I just started to panic. 0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:40.400 I'm going to be honest, Yeah, because I'm very sure 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.760 I was very closetrophobic. I was like, uh, I was 0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:45.200 doing not the Tina from Bobsburg. 0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:49.920 Whenever you're going to the underground tunnel, like into Manhattan 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:52.080 or something, you're like, it's could be bad. 0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:55.239 Nowhere else to go. You're just in the tube. And 0:30:55.320 --> 0:30:58.040 so yeah, that's the thing I never loved. I'm not 0:30:58.080 --> 0:30:59.960 like a big height scot. I'm not a big confined space. 0:31:00.280 --> 0:31:03.880 I'm just a real cowardly guy. I'm always afraid every 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.880 moment in my life. But in those tunnels, it's like 0:31:06.960 --> 0:31:09.520 it's a big there's other cars in there. It feels 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.600 like it should in it together right where there's a whole. 0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:14.640 Daylight. 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:17.120 Or if you get an ounce of the car in 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.600 a tunnel, theoretically walk around the cause in this one, 0:31:20.880 --> 0:31:22.680 I don't know what you'd get out to me. 0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.200 The tunnel is the size of the car, which I 0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:27.520 didn't care for. Also, very steep getting in and out, 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:31.520 even by the sort of degraded standards of what we're 0:31:31.520 --> 0:31:34.440 talking about here, which is basically like getting in a 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.080 car with one or two other people you don't know, 0:31:37.120 --> 0:31:41.000 and then traveling the distance of two football fields, Like 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:44.720 it's still like it shouldn't be as unsafe feelings. 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.400 I feel like we gotta clown the hyperloop more. Yeah, 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:53.320 just how dumb and useless it existed to stop the all. 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.160 There's some journalism I will say, defector has we have 0:31:56.280 --> 0:31:58.600 taken that torch and run with it. But there's also 0:31:58.680 --> 0:31:59.880 only so many things you can say. 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:02.040 It's only so far it goes right. 0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:03.760 Yeah, I kind of remind people like this was the 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.680 thing Elon Muski's to like kill the high speed rail. 0:32:06.760 --> 0:32:11.080 Yes, correct, you got car in tunnel. This traces all 0:32:11.120 --> 0:32:11.480 it took. 0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:16.800 It also cost fifty three million dollars yeap, and it 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.680 costs oh wow, yeah, fifty three million to build, and 0:32:19.680 --> 0:32:22.400 then forty seven million for the two tunnels and three stations. 0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:26.200 That's awesome, great, all every fucking penny. Yeah, especially as 0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.200 somebody who frequently rides the subway where one car can 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:33.360 hold like a train can hold like twelve hundred people, right, 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.600 Like in this case, it's like a car where there's 0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:38.440 a guy that helps you get into it, and then 0:32:38.440 --> 0:32:40.400 there's a guy that drives it. So the ratio of 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:44.520 people helping to people riding is either one to one 0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:47.800 or very nearly one to one. And also it doesn't 0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:49.600 work like every time people get out there just like 0:32:49.640 --> 0:32:52.560 please exit, like ahead of the car. And I would 0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.239 say that in the times that I was watching that 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:55.880 worked like maybe thirty. 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:56.560 Percent of that. Amazing. 0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:01.360 Yeah, the super stuff great is the modern day Tony Stock. Yeah, 0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:02.120 he's amazing. 0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:04.400 He's so good. So what did you see on the 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:05.120 floor exactly? 0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:07.840 So I tried to see as much as I could 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.040 in terms of like I wanted to see the sort 0:33:10.040 --> 0:33:14.240 of the high and low of it, because I know 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.000 that when we were talking about it yesterday, I had 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:19.320 only been to the uh sort of the space here 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.800 in the Venetian and a lot of that was like, 0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:25.720 you know, sort of their products, like they're identifiably like 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:27.840 things that you know. In many cases they're like you 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:29.280 know you're making it, so you buy it. And like 0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:32.680 in some cases it's like it's a vibrator or it's 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:34.480 like a dog door or whatever, but it's like it 0:33:34.520 --> 0:33:37.320 has a practice pose, right, which is incredible. Yes, there 0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:39.560 was one that we talked about this with the air purifier, 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.880 which we should probably go back to fill some confusion. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.760 But in this case, it's like, so the convention center, 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:47.400 and I know you all have been over this a 0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:48.720 million times on the podcast, but I'm just. 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:50.720 Can say it again, all right, Cool. 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:54.480 It is like the biggest of the big brands have 0:33:54.720 --> 0:33:58.840 their sort of like LG experience stuff and this is 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:02.680 like a huge, like thousand square foots yeah, big awesome, 0:34:02.800 --> 0:34:05.800 deep pile carpet, Like it's like a pleasure to experience. 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:08.480 But then if you go upstairs, it's like all the 0:34:08.520 --> 0:34:13.759 white label Chinese electronic brands like sell on Amazon, And 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:16.479 so I got to see I wanted to see both 0:34:16.520 --> 0:34:19.960 of those, and like the there's also this sort of 0:34:20.000 --> 0:34:23.760 area where the first is like bleeding into the second, 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:27.120 where there's like brands that are doing ambitious stuff, you know, 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.560 wherey're like they make a robot or whatever the kid 0:34:29.600 --> 0:34:31.799 is supposed to play with or something, but it like 0:34:31.880 --> 0:34:34.000 also kind of sucks, Like it's not like the LG 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.960 shit was interesting to me because like as much as 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.960 I sort of as we discussed yesterday that like some 0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:45.360 of the AI elements are like so misbegotten as to 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.560 like almost be poignant, right, But then you give an 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:51.520 example of one, like just the stupid one. The smart 0:34:51.520 --> 0:34:53.880 home stuff really like kind of was weird to me 0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.800 because that was so I ran into a coworker of yours, 0:34:56.800 --> 0:35:01.560 an engadget guy up on the Chinese Electronics flirt, Dan 0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:05.960 Dan Cooper, great dude, very happy to talk to him, 0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:08.879 and he uh was sort of telling me about an 0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:11.240 ad So I was struck by the smart home stuff 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.759 in the LG space. Like all the products themselves, like 0:35:14.800 --> 0:35:17.880 as a product are cool. The O L D O 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.799 L ED screens blew my mind. They were incredible. There 0:35:20.840 --> 0:35:22.719 was stuff where you could like basically have a sort 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:26.560 of more or less dirt free home garden thing and 0:35:26.680 --> 0:35:28.680 like it looks sick, dude, Like it looked like something 0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:31.600 from the Jetsons. Like I was legitimately thinking that it 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:33.919 would be a nice thing to have free home. Yeah, 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:35.360 it was like and it looked it was just like 0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:37.839 they do like a boombox basically, like there were these 0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.480 little slots with plants growing up through it, and they 0:35:40.480 --> 0:35:42.440 said you could grow vegetables in it. I don't think 0:35:42.480 --> 0:35:43.319 I would do that, but. 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:47.600 It's like like those those like self contained but. 0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:49.080 One can eat vegetables. 0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:53.120 Certainly that's a practical that's a thing that something does. Yes, 0:35:53.400 --> 0:35:57.040 and so so all of those items were neat to me. 0:35:57.160 --> 0:35:59.880 But then the smart home thing was basically like the 0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:05.080 most degrading, paying imaginable where they're like, is this what 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.200 you hogs want? You want a robot to pick your 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:09.000 clothes for you and then map your commute? I bet 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:09.799 you want that, right? 0:36:10.280 --> 0:36:10.799 Do you think that? 0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:12.960 What if we told you that the robot cared for you? 0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:15.160 There was a lot of best friends. 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:18.200 Yeah, there's so that language, especially LG had it. 0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:22.960 Where is this affectionate intelligence intelligence Jesus Christ, empathetic AI? 0:36:23.640 --> 0:36:25.759 Two years later it dies because the cloud service, right. 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:33.200 And it's going to make you feel like premium plan. 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.600 You killed him. You killed the guy that picks your 0:36:35.640 --> 0:36:36.640 pants every day, but. 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:38.759 You can bring them back to life for nine extra 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.160 dollars a month. Did you guys hear about the robot 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.239 for kids Moxie, Yeah, the one that tell us the story. 0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.480 I mean that the Moxie was just like very expensive 0:36:47.560 --> 0:36:50.560 robot for kids developed by the I Robot CTO. So 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:53.360 somebody who like really wanted to build a companion, especially 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:56.560 for kids who are maybe special needs or autistic kids 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.240 and just something for them to interact with learn language. 0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:02.319 You're later that thing dies. Now you have to tell 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:05.399 your child that their robot best friend is dead. Yeah, 0:37:05.480 --> 0:37:08.360 because this company couldn't get funding in time, and the 0:37:08.360 --> 0:37:10.759 cloud surface is dead. So now you just have a 0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:12.959 really expensive I think it was like fifteen hundred dollars 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.560 in the beginning. We're like a fifty dollars monthly price. 0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:19.200 It has been realizing I'm the guy in like these 0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:21.360 sci fi movies. You'd be like, I better not fucking 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:22.520 see you with a cyborg. 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:26.759 Yeah, they had there's like a new version of what 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:31.359 you're describing Amy Ai and what was this similar thing 0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:35.759 looked like a ferbie. It blinked and it talked in 0:37:35.800 --> 0:37:40.040 a childlike voice, and it was a companion. So this 0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:41.799 is again one of those things where like you kind 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:43.120 of do got to hand it to him in the 0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:46.080 sense that it's cute. People were lining up to get 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.080 their picture taken with it, Like there is a lot 0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.759 of just I watched like three different guys just walk 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:54.520 up get handed the thing like whatever, the Stanley cup 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:56.879 or whatever just hit the soy face while someone took 0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.640 a picture of them and then passed it to the 0:37:58.640 --> 0:37:59.799 next day they did the same thing. 0:38:00.320 --> 0:38:02.719 Cute robots, Like yeah, a lot of those categories, Like 0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:06.520 there was one that just stares at you. It just 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:09.200 like looks up at you, and it's like, Hi, that. 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:14.760 Was I don't need like an aggrod NPC from Morrow 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:17.319 Wind just walk. 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:20.640 On some level, it's like it is technically impressive to 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:22.760 be able to figure out a way to hack into 0:38:23.080 --> 0:38:25.480 what we view as cute, figure out a way to 0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:27.279 get something that you're gonna let into your home like that, 0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:30.720 But then it immediately brings you the next question, you need. 0:38:30.560 --> 0:38:31.240 It, righteah? 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.319 And that's exactly that's where I was going with it too, 0:38:33.320 --> 0:38:35.879 that it's like as a design thing, it's like it's 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.040 a try idea like I thought it was. I wanted 0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.439 to pet it, you know, holding that thing, and yet 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:44.120 like the idea of it like talking to my child, 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.359 like no, fucking like, that's just not a thing where 0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:49.200 I mean I again, this is the other aspect of 0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:51.560 what you're saying, Like there are other needs and applications 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:53.600 for this stuff, And so when I look at something 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:54.960 and I'm like, well, I wouldn't use that, Like I 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.000 don wouldn't want to be in a robot that exercises 0:38:57.040 --> 0:38:59.840 for me like, well, I don't have like unilateral I 0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:00.840 don't my issues. 0:39:00.920 --> 0:39:03.120 I am a child and a lot of experience with 0:39:03.400 --> 0:39:06.760 special aids kids as well. And guess what, this stuff's 0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:09.759 fucking repugnant to me. It is disgusting to me the 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:13.279 idea that and I understand it's like, yeah, companionship, what 0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:15.839 have you. But it's like any time I don't mean 0:39:15.840 --> 0:39:18.480 you to bendra any of these companies that try and suggest, oh, 0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:20.319 this is the we're going to use the computer to 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:23.080 fix your sons, because that's what the actual suggestion is. 0:39:23.400 --> 0:39:25.799 It's not the it's not that they're like this is 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:27.520 really going to help you. And there are examples of 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:31.880 things that can they're even for like older people with dementia. 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.839 For example, they had these kind of companions that were 0:39:33.840 --> 0:39:38.080 literally just like effectively like fluffy toys that kind of 0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:39.759 purd like a cat and it just made them feel 0:39:39.760 --> 0:39:42.440 like a robot, the headless cat, and it was just 0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:45.000 very but that had a very specific thing. But these 0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:47.719 robots is this kind of catch all if something's wrong 0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:50.000 with your child, because that really is what they're saying, 0:39:50.320 --> 0:39:53.279 and it's just but I'm also not buying your head off, 0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.920 because it's like, theoretically, the idea of one of these 0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.000 things is sensible, like I'm a loser and I'm lonely, 0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:01.719 and I could use some or like a like a 0:40:01.800 --> 0:40:03.680 child would like a teddy bear that could talk to 0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:05.960 it theoretically, but it feels like none of these people 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:08.640 have got beyond that stage ever, right, They're not like 0:40:08.960 --> 0:40:12.200 and how would this operate with a person? 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.880 That was the bit that So the thing that like 0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:20.240 kind of left me feeling sad ish leaving the convention 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.279 center was that aspect of it, right, that all of 0:40:23.320 --> 0:40:26.279 it is sort of not just so the smart home 0:40:26.360 --> 0:40:29.120 was bizarre to me because it was infantalizing. But there's 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:30.920 also and this was the bit that you're that Dan 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:33.440 told me about, was it? He was like, this is 0:40:33.440 --> 0:40:35.480 also great to talk to more people with that, Like 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:38.759 thousand yards stare, they've been to thirteen ces is. 0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:39.919 Like the dad nothing God. 0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.600 Yeah, so he was like, oh, there's probably six ces 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:43.240 as ago. 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:47.200 Drag on a cigarette pre pandemic time. 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.360 Yes, you have to imagine this is actually just like 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.400 a perfectly cheerful man the British accident. 0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.000 Yeah British, right, he does. 0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:56.239 But he was talking about an lg AD that they 0:40:56.280 --> 0:40:58.440 had then it like clearly had stayed with him. Do 0:40:58.440 --> 0:41:00.400 you know the video that I'm talking about on it? 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:03.759 So this is it's like, uh it was. This was 0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:05.759 their like sort of smart home thing that they were 0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.800 working with then. And it seems like an important distinction 0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.560 that this is like a pre pandemic thing because so 0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:13.520 much of this stuff feels like it's designed to be 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:16.399 like are you so lonely? And you never see anybody? Right, 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:18.439 which I think is an experience that's now like more 0:41:18.520 --> 0:41:21.359 current than or like at least more you can kind 0:41:21.400 --> 0:41:23.640 of like put your finger on the top of the yes, 0:41:23.719 --> 0:41:25.760 whereas like I feel like six years ago there's a partment. 0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:27.600 It's like no, man, I just go to the store, 0:41:27.920 --> 0:41:29.319 Like I don't have to like if I want to 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.239 see another person, I had to do it. But in 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:33.080 this case, so the video he was describing was like 0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:36.719 it's the life of a guy who's got like an 0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.680 lg AI support that is sort of taking care of everything. 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:42.600 Is this the way, kid? 0:41:42.840 --> 0:41:46.080 No? This is so here he wakes up, the thing 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.080 is like hey, good morning, Like you know it's seventy 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:49.600 one degrees outside. Would you like me to pick your 0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:51.359 outfit out for you and you just say thank you, 0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:52.759 and then it does. And then it comes out of 0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.080 like a steamer that's like built that's in your home, 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:57.160 you know. So everything's just your fresh and flies. You 0:41:57.239 --> 0:41:58.719 leave the home, you get in a car, the same 0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.279 robot drives you to work. Then it turns out that 0:42:02.360 --> 0:42:05.799 it's arranged a blind date for you based on right, 0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:08.279 this is where it starts getting darker, based on like 0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:11.480 your preferences, presumably based on the same sort of algorithms 0:42:11.480 --> 0:42:13.320 to tell you, you know that, like today is not a 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.080 day to where linen pants, Today's a day to wear 0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:19.520 cotton pants. The so then the video follows the guy 0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:22.000 he's on this blind day with this woman. It's it's working. 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.080 And then the AI takes because it can control the 0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.960 projection on the light of the windows of building across 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.920 the street, changes to like show that it's it's a 0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:34.320 heart and so that shows. 0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:37.560 That's that's just in that robot is just an Indian mother. Yeah, 0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:41.520 it is just wake up, my son, here's your outfit, 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.640 here's your clothes. I found a date for you. That's 0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:45.120 all it is. 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:47.360 But this is the bit that was like striking me 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:49.360 about like there's no agency day of this. He was 0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.719 like the Dan's words on it. He was like, this 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:57.520 guy just gets bullied all day AI, he doesn't make 0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.279 a single choice all day long. 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:02.840 Actually sounds great, though, Yeah, I'd love to wake up 0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:03.160 with that. 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.680 I think a lot of people would want they would 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:07.360 find some sauce in reducing choices. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.400 I am mostly kidding, by the way, the idea of 0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:15.800 waking up and the well, yes, yes, I am nothing 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.280 like this. I just wake up and read three different 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:22.040 apps that tell me how to fail every day. Like 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:26.280 I just go and read pages of stuff that twangs 0:43:26.360 --> 0:43:28.840 my emotions. And then I go and like use the 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.399 text step to text my therapist. I read a post again. Yeah, 0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:33.360 it's totally different. 0:43:33.520 --> 0:43:35.840 That's the bit that's weird about this too, though, is that, like, 0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:38.920 so there's something that's what made me sad about it 0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.440 was the idea of just being like a flag raw 0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.640 goose and like your whole life is just piped down 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.640 your throat like fun and you're just like, oh, thank you. 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.759 I feel this really is the hogs, It's the whole, 0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.360 the whole. This is what you guys like like just 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:54.839 eat out this trough, like we've taken care of it 0:43:54.880 --> 0:43:55.760 all you need. 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:58.840 To doing towards Wally predicted different. 0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:02.680 That's a ship one's it doesn't even work this way, 0:44:02.719 --> 0:44:04.040 but I do feel like it, So it doesn't. 0:44:04.520 --> 0:44:07.080 The fact that it doesn't work is like funny to me, 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:10.040 But it is also like the fact that they're promising 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:13.120 this is that was the part that was like uncanny 0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:15.759 about it, Like the idea of you want to take 0:44:15.840 --> 0:44:18.480 all of this mastery that you have that's made your 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:23.080 products so unfathomably cool and like project it across every 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:26.319 spectrum of somebody's life, like to a certain extent, like 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:29.880 I would want to be asked to my consent. Yeah, 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.240 but also you know, you see how good those OLED 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:33.560 screens are, and there's a part of me that's like, 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:35.320 I don't know, man, that's because like you guys. 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:38.120 Do cars, you know, like we're moving beyond old, we're 0:44:38.239 --> 0:44:42.440 in micro led now and that stuff is it's it's wild. 0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:44.080 From are going. 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:48.879 Yeah, But that's that's the idea though, is the sort 0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:52.480 of like I don't want to be protected from every 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.200 aspect of like being a lot fel like. 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.239 There's another thing that pisses me off about this. First 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:01.800 of all, they're lying just right, like the first. 0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:02.120 Of all the line. 0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:04.960 But two, if you look at how the tech industry 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:09.600 actually treats customers, do you think that any of this would, 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:11.879 even if it did work, be good. It's like I'm 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:13.840 going to meet with a woman who is actually a 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.839 pig butchering scam waiting to happen, and my car ends 0:45:17.880 --> 0:45:19.479 up pulling over to the side of the road because 0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:21.560 there was a traffic cone in the in the road 0:45:21.640 --> 0:45:23.560 and I'm late for the day and the other woman's 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.120 threatening to kill me. But don't worry. The trousers I 0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.160 have on have a giant stain on them from the 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:32.319 LG cabinet, which and I also will admit I have 0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.759 the LG steam cabinet exactly. I actually use it like 0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:39.319 a genuine like I done meetings. I use suits a 0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:40.000 lots of them like this. 0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.000 As an audio medium. But it looks amazing, thank you, 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:43.440 thank you. 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:48.160 David's steaming right now. I am just steaming here. But 0:45:48.239 --> 0:45:52.080 even then that thing works mostly, but it just doesn't 0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:52.880 get all the wrinkles. 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.279 It's like they can't even get the fucking steamer right. 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:55.680 Yeah. 0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:59.160 The problem is these companies think all we want is 0:45:59.160 --> 0:46:02.040 no friction. They think we want to glide through life 0:46:02.080 --> 0:46:04.920 like we're fully lubricated. You know, it's just like, oh, 0:46:04.960 --> 0:46:07.680 no problems. I don't want to think. I want to 0:46:07.680 --> 0:46:09.640 think about something to remove the friction. 0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:13.279 This is my one regret for CS. I didn't get 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:17.919 to visit the fintech section because the section, and that's 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:22.360 where they believe in removing friction and they do. Whether 0:46:22.440 --> 0:46:25.680 or not they do so is whether or not doing 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.120 so is good or bad. You know, let's see, it's 0:46:29.160 --> 0:46:32.200 almost always and not almost always, it is always bad, 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:34.960 you know, when one of these fintech firms removes friction 0:46:35.400 --> 0:46:37.520 in making a transaction or a trade. But that's like 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.560 one place I think of when I when I when 0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.600 we're talking about removing friction, making your life more of 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.919 some coherent engine towards some end, and that's where they've 0:46:46.960 --> 0:46:49.399 done it, and it's been disastrous. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.880 But also these companies don't remove that I would love. 0:46:52.040 --> 0:46:54.120 Look, perhaps I don't need to be fully loved or 0:46:54.120 --> 0:46:58.000 partially loved like I would like less friction instead as 0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:59.800 I as you heard in one of the previous episodes, 0:46:59.840 --> 0:47:02.239 it's like there's more friction than ever. And even with 0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:05.799 these companies they sell this dream, and LG, I think 0:47:05.880 --> 0:47:07.759 is one of the more guilty ones. They have all 0:47:07.800 --> 0:47:10.000 the apps in the world I think I have. I 0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:11.560 forget which washer I have, but I think I have 0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.000 an LG washer, And it's like there's an. 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.120 A the best appliances. Yeah, butce is are good. 0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:18.919 But notice that there's never like they like those things, 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.320 don't like the ways they change are just like clothes 0:47:21.320 --> 0:47:22.600 are more reliably clean. 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:23.040 Yeap. 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.280 The extensions from there have never worked because I feel 0:47:26.320 --> 0:47:28.480 like I've been to multiple ces is where there's been 0:47:28.520 --> 0:47:31.440 some form of demo where someone goes like, Elgae Intelligence, 0:47:32.040 --> 0:47:34.760 please please warm up my bagel I've already put it 0:47:34.520 --> 0:47:37.439 in the toaster of Michael. Yeah, it's already in there, 0:47:37.560 --> 0:47:40.319 and don't worry. I already emailed your wife. And it's 0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:42.880 like these things are meant like they've been promising this, 0:47:43.000 --> 0:47:44.120 but they don't fucking work. 0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:46.480 It's just it's just make believe. It's pure fantasy. But 0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:48.919 the thing about the friction thing which I've noticed since 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:51.520 I've been I've been see us since twenty ten, and 0:47:51.640 --> 0:47:53.720 I've just had a four year gap because pandemic stuff 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:54.920 and I had kids. I didn't want to leave my 0:47:54.920 --> 0:47:55.959 wife along with young kids. 0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:58.879 You mighttter have to explain why you didn't come. 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.480 I got it. This is my duty. 0:48:01.560 --> 0:48:05.120 I should have to explain what you're twenty eight years Yeah, 0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:08.840 but the whole the rise will startup, the rise of startups. 0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.120 Of what Consumer Electronics has been trying to do for 0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.160 the past fifteen years is just to remove that friction. 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:16.080 And I think we've only really started to realize you 0:48:16.160 --> 0:48:19.800 remove friction, you remove humanity. Yeah, and to a certain extent, 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:22.560 we need we need, we need a little friction in 0:48:22.560 --> 0:48:25.359 our life with challenges, we growth challenges. But maybe it's 0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.640 better for you to like not have an automatically prepared 0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.600 cup of coffee when you walk into the kitchen. Maybe 0:48:29.719 --> 0:48:32.600 you should just go outside and like go to the neighborhood, 0:48:32.640 --> 0:48:34.440 catholicy and there are other things you can need. 0:48:34.480 --> 0:48:36.799 A consumer is not a person, right, and this is 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.360 this is a key part of I think the quest 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:44.279 to remove friction. A consumer is someone who is is 0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:47.880 anxious or eager to move from one transaction to the next, 0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:51.760 and any time in between those transactions, any time between 0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:57.320 transforming labor into some sort of productive and is wasted. 0:48:57.800 --> 0:48:58.919 And I think what it is. 0:48:58.920 --> 0:49:02.799 Is they all moving friction, just not for us, it's 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:04.240 just between us and the purchase. 0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:07.480 Yeah, And that's again like sort of this brings us 0:49:07.480 --> 0:49:09.960 back to like the sort of the uncanny aspect of 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.160 it in terms of being like, it's not necessarily making 0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.080 my life any easier. It is simply making it easier 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:18.400 for me to like it's more transactive, right, Yeah, to 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:22.200 like be productive and to consume more effectively or whatever. 0:49:22.239 --> 0:49:24.319 But it's not adding value in any way. 0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:26.560 Like I think about with these chatbots that are coming 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:29.080 in for therapy, it's like, is the therapy that they're 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:30.399 offering going to actually help? 0:49:30.719 --> 0:49:30.799 No? 0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:31.880 But now it's. 0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.360 Actually a more it's it's a more transparent and quantifiable market, 0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.120 so you can search out for whatever product you think 0:49:38.200 --> 0:49:40.320 is going to be a fit for your specific issue. 0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:42.840 Whether or not it's going to help you is another question, 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:44.880 but you can find it and identify. 0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:46.719 It's one less human you have to deal with, yes, 0:49:47.160 --> 0:49:49.600 which is also the less humans. Like it's part of 0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:52.520 using apps instead of calling a restaurant or something. 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.640 Yeah, I will fully admit like a mental health thing 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:58.759 with me. I've loved that for years, and I found 0:49:58.760 --> 0:50:01.879 it because I got my various issues with anxiety, and 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:03.840 we're not wanting to go outside and being scared of 0:50:03.880 --> 0:50:06.880 talking to people. Long story short, I got over that. 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.479 But also there was a certain level of like, yeah, 0:50:09.480 --> 0:50:12.120 the Internet is really intense, just really good at selling 0:50:12.200 --> 0:50:15.279 you those abstractions between people so you can live a 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.040 weird hermit life. And I absolutely didn't. 0:50:17.080 --> 0:50:19.799 And then you think society is you, and these technicals. 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.360 Exactly become more exactly less experiences you don't grow like. 0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.600 And this is this is why I hate the stupid 0:50:25.680 --> 0:50:27.640 the Google thing where it'll call a restaurant and make 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:28.520 a reservation. 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:29.840 For I do like that for my accent. 0:50:29.960 --> 0:50:32.920 I hate it so much because it's like, what burden 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.640 are you putting on this restaurant. It's like, oh, I'm busy, 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:39.200 Like I'm dealing with real customers, real reservations, this fucking robot. 0:50:40.080 --> 0:50:45.400 I will argue my accent and when I call and 0:50:45.440 --> 0:50:49.520 I have to spell xron or even just like my numbers. 0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:51.960 So many people don't understand it. I've had to like. 0:50:51.960 --> 0:50:56.200 Because you're like, Z I T I sound exactly. 0:50:58.840 --> 0:51:01.480 I have to americanize my accent to a certain extent. 0:51:02.480 --> 0:51:07.960 That yeah, But also in that case, an app way too, 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.280 like a thing that actually makes life better for a restaurant, 0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:13.520 Hey just log this reservation please, yeah, rather than that's 0:51:13.560 --> 0:51:15.240 a case where you don't need to call the manager 0:51:15.239 --> 0:51:17.359 of the restaurant to like do all this stuff. And 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:19.439 that's a case where an app based thing could be better. 0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.320 But now we're abstracting to the point where a robot 0:51:22.400 --> 0:51:24.920 is calling a number and talking to this human. The 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:26.879 human does not know it's a robot talking to them. 0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:30.799 Then they're expecting conversations confusing for them. I hate that 0:51:30.840 --> 0:51:32.040 whole thing because as a. 0:51:32.040 --> 0:51:35.040 User, and this is something that's been like a recurring 0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:37.439 theme in the conversations that that I've been a part 0:51:37.480 --> 0:51:40.000 of for this where it's like they invented a solution 0:51:40.280 --> 0:51:43.319 to like a pretty minor problem and now are sort 0:51:43.360 --> 0:51:44.319 of like, I mean not to. 0:51:44.520 --> 0:51:46.000 No, no, no, living experience whatever. 0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:49.160 Also mine is like minor in comparison to like. 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:51.640 But yes, and so in this case, it's like there's 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.759 a you know something like that. It can't be easy, right, 0:51:54.840 --> 0:51:57.440 I mean, like that's there's a lot of moving parts. Mean, 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.440 I don't understand any of them, but it does feel 0:51:59.440 --> 0:52:03.920 like the sort of thing where that is a in 0:52:04.160 --> 0:52:07.200 its way, you know, like an impressive achievement, and yet 0:52:07.200 --> 0:52:09.719 at the same time, and this is the real recurring part, 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:14.520 like it's a very labor intensive, presumably very expensive solution 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:19.279 to a problem that like probably is more urgent for 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:22.759 like a like somebody who doesn't have anything else to 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:26.080 worry about, but making restaurant reserations, yeah, you know, and 0:52:26.480 --> 0:52:29.000 ditto for the idea of being like a robot makes 0:52:29.040 --> 0:52:30.960 your coffee for you, a robot picks here or whatever, 0:52:31.040 --> 0:52:34.040 like some speaking, the computer intelligence it takes your clothes, 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:34.719 makes your food. 0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.800 Because Cory doctor I made this point last year on 0:52:37.840 --> 0:52:40.720 the podcast. He said that algorithms are inherently conservative. They 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:46.240 move people towards the norm that is actually culturally dangerous. 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.680 I think it will eradicate people of Calais, or eradicate 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:52.279 culture that made America and made many countries the way 0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:54.480 they are. And something that you're seeing on a much 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.160 well not necessarily a small scale, with social media, with 0:52:57.200 --> 0:53:00.440 what's popular, what's popular on TikTok, the infant int of 0:53:00.480 --> 0:53:03.000 that when you add in the algorithmic side. Not that 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:04.879 I think that any of these bullshit's part. I don't 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:06.640 think they'll ever have a thing that picks your outfit 0:53:06.680 --> 0:53:09.960 for you. But if they ever do that is slightly 0:53:10.320 --> 0:53:12.640 like there is something kind of darker about. 0:53:12.480 --> 0:53:15.759 Right, because every I mean like everybody's gonna wind up 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:16.479 dressing the same. 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.360 Yeah, like that's exactly and that's presumably I guess on 0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:22.160 the training data that it's given, which will probably lean 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:23.160 more white. Right. 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:24.600 But this is also like one of those things where 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:28.399 there's like this is again like a very labor intensive solution. Yeah. Problem, 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:30.239 they're really breaking the back of it. Like if you're 0:53:30.280 --> 0:53:32.560 somebody that just has like sometimes you got stripes and 0:53:32.640 --> 0:53:35.359 plaids on, like you can fix that, Like someone could 0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:36.399 just tell you that that doesn't work. 0:53:36.400 --> 0:53:38.200 You can learn that lesson once in your life and 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.040 apply it moving forward. Yes, yes, I'm still waiting for 0:53:41.080 --> 0:53:43.319 them to like, hey, there are homes. I think most 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:45.399 home tech is like kind of garbage even No, yes, 0:53:45.440 --> 0:53:48.120 I also there's a sale in the LG fridges with 0:53:48.160 --> 0:53:50.120 the little windows, and I got an LG fridge with 0:53:50.160 --> 0:53:53.840 the window because it looks cool. Yeah you know, you 0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:55.799 knock on it. You have like double doors whatever, great 0:53:55.840 --> 0:53:59.239 for kids snacks, but I spend an hour every night 0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:03.680 cleaning my kitchen and I hate it, Like every single night. 0:54:03.719 --> 0:54:06.200 It's like, Okay, give me yes, Rosie of the robot, 0:54:06.239 --> 0:54:08.840 forget these companion robots. Yes, give me a robots to 0:54:08.920 --> 0:54:11.200 do the things that really suck in our lives. And 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:13.399 I think open gives you more time to be with your. 0:54:13.280 --> 0:54:14.680 Family and a few other things. 0:54:15.200 --> 0:54:17.759 That possibility is still there, but nobody. Nobody's doing that 0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:19.480 because alg is just like, hey, I wanna yeah, I 0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:22.320 want to control your life rather than do the simple 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:23.120 task that nobody likes. 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.680 Also, there's something quite joyful about when you're like, it 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:27.839 took me into like the last end of last year 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.080 to really enjoy dressing myself, and there's something fun about it. 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.920 It's a quote Derek Guya, clothing is like social language. 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:37.440 Forgive me, I have a misquote you, Derek. It's like 0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:39.600 there's something about it and it takes a while before 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:41.920 you work it out. You feel very self conscious. I 0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.880 don't think an AI telling you what to wear fixes 0:54:45.920 --> 0:54:49.040 that problem. It's just hey, do this, so we have 0:54:49.200 --> 0:54:50.319 decided what looks good. 0:54:50.960 --> 0:54:53.279 There's always in between, right, you don't have to be 0:54:53.400 --> 0:54:55.799 like that. Maybe we don't need any dictator, but hey, 0:54:56.080 --> 0:54:58.880 you have these clothes, just try try this, try this, 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.120 And actually I think you be look at like having 0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:02.960 a friend who's supportive to be like, hey, try this. 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:04.239 I know you don't know how to wear it, but 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:05.480 maybe it would look good. 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.960 That's that's an important distinction, I think because. 0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:09.840 To mac Levine, by the way, he does that for 0:55:09.920 --> 0:55:11.799 me on text, very nice. Yeah. 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:13.920 I was talking to Philip before when you guys were 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:17.279 recording black A about his experience with Pandora, which I 0:55:17.280 --> 0:55:20.719 didn't use, but was always the one that like my friends, 0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.480 and he was sort of explaining what it was like 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.799 as it got worse, like how did I'm talking about you, dude, 0:55:26.800 --> 0:55:30.600 Philip walking there the like? Basically that was a sort 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:34.719 of like of all the sort of algorithmic musical recommendation 0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.160 applications that have existed, that's the one that I think 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:41.080 anybody ever had good feelings about. Like Spotify is easy 0:55:41.120 --> 0:55:43.840 to use, but I don't think anybody but is it good? No? Right, 0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:45.759 And I don't think anybody's like I love Spotify. 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:47.920 It's like I think of it as the early on 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:51.960 when Spotify, when the Europeans only had Spotify, they lorded 0:55:52.040 --> 0:55:58.040 that Americans can't stream music. 0:55:57.760 --> 0:55:59.439 And it was just yea, all right, so that makes sense, 0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:02.560 like the convenience aspect of it. So what Pandora did 0:56:02.640 --> 0:56:05.279 was like basically like you would and maybe you can 0:56:05.360 --> 0:56:07.120 even just grab the mic and talk about it because 0:56:07.320 --> 0:56:09.360 actually understands how this stuff works. But I thought this 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.759 was interesting in terms of how it got worse, is 0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:12.520 what I was saying on. 0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:14.239 Us, all right. 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:17.480 So the exciting thing for Pandora for me was the 0:56:17.520 --> 0:56:23.200 seating where it was actually looking for a flavor of 0:56:23.239 --> 0:56:25.640 what you were interested, looking for the sound you're after, 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:29.640 not oh, you like rockabilly, let me give you an 0:56:29.800 --> 0:56:33.279 entire catalog of rockabilly. It would ask you for what 0:56:33.400 --> 0:56:37.560 is your inspiration point? And the best inspiration point I 0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:44.280 gave it was Tom Waite's black Hole Sun Pink Floyd's Echoes. Okay, 0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:48.320 so to deeply confuse the algorithm forever. 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:50.880 For go ahead, doctor Jones, try to. 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:53.240 Figure out what to give me for that. And it did. 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:57.200 But my goal behind that was and what Pandora did 0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:01.520 a great job doing was fine things I'd never heard 0:57:01.560 --> 0:57:04.399 of that I might like that fit in that gap. Yeah, 0:57:04.440 --> 0:57:06.200 I found so many bands I'd never knew. 0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:09.040 I have found and something that will both age me 0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:11.840 and piss some people off. My favorite comment, I remember 0:57:11.880 --> 0:57:14.000 my Pandora experience. In was out in Penn State, and 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:15.360 I put in like a bunch of bands, and I 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:19.000 got Caven Bank called cave In. They did some called 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.720 an Anchor I think it was off a bank of 0:57:21.800 --> 0:57:24.440 an album called Antenna. Just fucking up every word in 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:27.160 that sentence, and I remember being like, this is so good. 0:57:27.200 --> 0:57:27.360 Now. 0:57:27.360 --> 0:57:30.000 The funny thing is that this is Caven's one alt 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:34.520 rock album surrounded by hardcore music that was just impossible 0:57:34.560 --> 0:57:38.080 to listen to for me, And so I stopped using 0:57:38.120 --> 0:57:40.480 Pandora because every other cave In album and I listened 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:44.000 to was completely insane for me, and I assumed that 0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:47.040 there were two cave Ins for years. Anyway, The point is, 0:57:47.680 --> 0:57:51.000 after this point, I have never had a recommended band 0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:54.520 on any system ever, not Spotify, Apple Music, anything that 0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:55.960 has ever made me feel anything. 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:57.120 It's always been shit. 0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:00.680 Apple Music wants me to listen to in my hand 0:58:00.720 --> 0:58:03.480 by Sound good, whatever song I'm listening to. It's like 0:58:03.960 --> 0:58:06.240 you remember a pretty Noose by Sound, you have a 0:58:06.240 --> 0:58:07.520 black Hole sun by Sound. 0:58:07.600 --> 0:58:12.640 This shit, it's just so frustrating that you should say 0:58:13.120 --> 0:58:14.840 that was your experience, Like how it broke down. 0:58:15.240 --> 0:58:18.320 So where it broke down and Pandora itself fall apart 0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:21.480 is the seeds started bleeding into each other and it 0:58:21.560 --> 0:58:26.280 basically learned me better and better and stopped recommending anything new. 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:32.600 I mean after after I had found the Dreadnoughts, which 0:58:32.640 --> 0:58:34.880 was a really great band, which then led me to 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.280 a handful of other bands I'd never heard before. That 0:58:38.320 --> 0:58:41.640 was pretty much the last thing Pandora found free that 0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:45.919 was new and exciting. Since then, the closest I've come 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:52.080 is SoundCloud. But SoundCloud does not work well for discovery 0:58:52.560 --> 0:58:53.960 for the findings for you. 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.520 So as we wrap up the episode, Devendra, I know 0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:57.840 you have to go in a minute. I would like 0:58:57.880 --> 0:59:00.480 to know, is that anything that really like made smile 0:59:00.600 --> 0:59:01.200 shows anything? 0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:03.360 Well, yeah, I'll show it up that I like a computer, 0:59:03.760 --> 0:59:07.280 A simple a simple computer in the aces Zen book 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:11.080 A fourteen. This thing it weighs under two point two pounds, 0:59:11.440 --> 0:59:12.360 and I hold this thing in. 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:13.360 That it's a real computer. 0:59:13.520 --> 0:59:14.720 That's a real computer. 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:17.240 It's less than a hardback book where we go. 0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:19.880 Half a pound less than a MacBook Air. And I'm like, ass, 0:59:19.880 --> 0:59:22.280 how did you do this? Because ASS is normally the 0:59:22.280 --> 0:59:24.960 company that's out there copying Apple basically, and I think 0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:26.800 they've gotten to the point where they've innovated. They do 0:59:26.840 --> 0:59:28.560 stuff like dual screen computers. I don't think those are 0:59:28.600 --> 0:59:31.480 as useful. This is just a simple, really really like 0:59:31.520 --> 0:59:33.920 computer has an old ed screen. Macbok Air doesn't have 0:59:33.960 --> 0:59:36.640 old it has ports. It has all got dam ports. 0:59:36.640 --> 0:59:39.880 You want USB, a USB, C HDMI in a thing 0:59:40.000 --> 0:59:41.920 smaller than the MacBook Air. It's like Apple, what is 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:42.400 your excuse? 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:43.840 What was the keyboard on it? 0:59:43.840 --> 0:59:46.160 It's not bad, It's not bad. Aces makes okay keyboards. 0:59:46.200 --> 0:59:49.480 That TAD is pretty good. Subscription model. Uh yeah, I 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:51.200 think it's gonna be like twelve hundred like they don't 0:59:51.280 --> 0:59:53.080 it's Aces. They don't go too hard. But this is 0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.880 a snap Dragon CPU, so it has that thing where. 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:56.840 It's what's the limitation. 0:59:57.080 --> 0:59:59.720 It's going to be emulating some older Windows apps we 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.240 last year from what we saw on the surfaces, like, 1:00:02.480 --> 1:00:04.320 it's actually gotten better than it has been years. I 1:00:04.320 --> 1:00:06.360 think for most people it'd be fine. But man, a 1:00:06.400 --> 1:00:09.160 two point two pound computer just like a little laptop 1:00:09.440 --> 1:00:12.280 that is like basically feels like a tablet and can. 1:00:12.160 --> 1:00:14.840 Do everything you would. Did you write this up. I 1:00:14.880 --> 1:00:17.480 wrote it up. It's up there right. Actually it's one 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:20.480 of our Best of CS Awards. Oh yeah, okay, wellcome 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:21.400 people find you to Vendra. 1:00:21.560 --> 1:00:24.040 Yeah, I'm at Devendra on you know, Blue Sky and 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:26.760 all the fun places at the Filmcast at the filmcast 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:28.840 dot com or a podcast about movies and TV and 1:00:29.240 --> 1:00:30.640 Gadget and the Gadget Podcast. 1:00:30.680 --> 1:00:32.200 Check me out there, lovely. David. 1:00:32.600 --> 1:00:35.360 Defector dot Com is the website. The Distraction is the 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:38.480 Defector podcast. There's a Hallmark movie podcast. I'm mentioning it 1:00:38.560 --> 1:00:41.760 every other time. So this is called It's Christmas Town. 1:00:41.760 --> 1:00:44.360 Thank you. And uh yeah, I'm David j Roth on. 1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:48.240 This Machine Kills is my podcast. 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:51.680 The tech Bubble dot Substack dot com is my newsletter, 1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:55.240 Big black Jack to beIN on x the Everything site, 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:58.040 and Blue Sky is where I live online. 1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:02.360 You can find me on Google type in what happened 1:01:02.400 --> 1:01:06.000 to Google search? Or who is Prabagar Ragavan? And I 1:01:06.040 --> 1:01:09.040 should pop up now after I stopped speaking, you must 1:01:09.120 --> 1:01:13.640 start purchasing. You are a consumer, As Ed said, follow 1:01:14.240 --> 1:01:17.920 this by consuming what's next, don't think, especially if it's 1:01:17.920 --> 1:01:35.880 one of the ones that embarrasses me. And we're back 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:38.760 and now we are joined by mister Phillip Broughton, the 1:01:38.800 --> 1:01:40.760 health physicists that we know and love that has been 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:41.840 giving us drinks all the time. 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:42.439 Hating film. 1:01:43.560 --> 1:01:46.680 I think it's funny though, that story about Pandora and 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.840 this recommendation system that used to work but doesn't yet 1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:54.560 the company seems to still. It feels symbolic of everything. 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:56.560 It feels like everything's just kind of slowed down, and 1:01:56.600 --> 1:02:00.640 even CS doesn't even seem that willing to convinces anymore 1:02:00.640 --> 1:02:03.840 that based on everything you guys at David have seen, 1:02:03.880 --> 1:02:05.480 it feels like there's a lot of just this is 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:08.600 what you want, rather than hey, we're fucking selling you something, right. 1:02:09.000 --> 1:02:11.919 Yeah, it's interesting, right? Does that sound about right to you? 1:02:12.000 --> 1:02:12.240 Yeah? 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:14.320 You know I and if I'm wrong, please correct me. 1:02:14.360 --> 1:02:17.280 And I also think i've you know, today, I tried 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:21.360 to shift gears and instead be like, okay, let's pretend 1:02:22.520 --> 1:02:24.480 the things I'm coming into. 1:02:24.320 --> 1:02:26.280 Are like for a real person. 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:29.400 Right sent and kind of falling into like a drain 1:02:29.480 --> 1:02:31.880 around the smart home stuff and being like I'm not 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.160 and most human beings are not the target audience for 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.320 this in a way that feels like a like a 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:39.080 snake eating its own tail. I mean, like, you know, 1:02:39.120 --> 1:02:41.880 I went to a lot of the uh there's a 1:02:41.920 --> 1:02:45.000 section that's pretty much just like how to build your 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:47.680 own power grid, you know, for your own home or 1:02:47.720 --> 1:02:49.840 if you're going camping and you can't be offline. 1:02:49.880 --> 1:02:54.920 Oh yeah, the anchor is yes, anchor slow to me, 1:02:55.520 --> 1:02:56.560 but yeah, going on. 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:58.560 No, I mean it's like it's like it is fascinating 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:02.320 that you're able to literally power the equivalent of like 1:03:02.400 --> 1:03:05.360 a home out in the woods. But then it raises 1:03:05.360 --> 1:03:07.840 the question, especially with their marketing, where they're like, this 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:14.480 is the sustainable way to be technologically progressive, and it's 1:03:14.520 --> 1:03:17.200 like what in the sustainable way to be like maybe 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:20.600 we don't consume even more in some spaces and so 1:03:20.640 --> 1:03:23.120 stuff like that is really interesting to me paying attention 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:25.440 to advertising being like oh okay, like they're they're for 1:03:25.600 --> 1:03:28.320 like homes that are built like crips and mausoleums, like 1:03:28.440 --> 1:03:33.800 just massive empty spaces filled with nothing other than consumer electronics. 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:38.640 And you know, yeah, I mean, you know, for a 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:40.920 lot of people at this conference, it is and I 1:03:40.920 --> 1:03:44.240 think that's been like important in constructing a better sense 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:45.880 of like who a lot of these things are for 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:50.160 beyond investors. Seeing like, Okay, there are things that consumers 1:03:50.200 --> 1:03:52.960 who might not normally have something like this be interested in. 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.280 But they're also I think the other day we're talking 1:03:55.280 --> 1:03:57.880 about status symbols, and it's like, one, what other way 1:03:57.920 --> 1:04:00.560 to kind of also signal that flag and to be 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:02.680 able to go out in an RV in the middle 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:05.680 of the woods and still have the equivalent. 1:04:05.200 --> 1:04:05.800 Of a house. 1:04:06.000 --> 1:04:08.320 Yeah, and there's some of these people who just to 1:04:08.320 --> 1:04:09.880 be clear, there are plenty of people who go camping 1:04:09.920 --> 1:04:11.560 and do that, and it's like, I want to power 1:04:11.680 --> 1:04:14.240 a grill. I want to I want to power this, 1:04:14.440 --> 1:04:16.680 but it's not like you don't need six watts. 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:22.240 Yeah, reactor, that's what I'm surprised no one's trying to sell. 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:23.680 That was the thought that I had looking into that 1:04:23.720 --> 1:04:25.320 stuff too, because there's a part of me that's like, oh, 1:04:25.360 --> 1:04:28.280 that's cool. You couldn't do that, you know, like whatever, 1:04:28.320 --> 1:04:30.600 five ten years ago, and then to see like, I 1:04:30.600 --> 1:04:31.880 guess this is the sort of thing where it's like 1:04:31.920 --> 1:04:34.600 you find this solution to I mean, it's not a 1:04:34.640 --> 1:04:37.040 super pressing problem, but it's a it's a solution, like 1:04:37.080 --> 1:04:39.160 you went from a thing that didn't work to a 1:04:39.160 --> 1:04:40.880 thing that does work. But then all you can do 1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:43.439 is like make it bigger. Yeah, like that's the only 1:04:43.520 --> 1:04:45.080 solution is just sort of like yeah, now it's like 1:04:45.120 --> 1:04:48.120 six thousand watts. Now you could like have like basically 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:50.080 like a Red Rocks performance. 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:54.600 I have an anchor charger on. Make sure because like 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:56.720 all of the dense charges are really cool. Because the 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.480 gallium nitrate stuff, which Phil I will have you explain 1:04:59.520 --> 1:04:59.880 in the moment. 1:05:00.000 --> 1:05:03.680 I know you want what that means. Either it batteries, 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:05.200 it has a battery at. 1:05:05.080 --> 1:05:07.360 You, I will explain Gallium nitre is a thing where 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:09.560 I don't know the science stuff, and I assume the 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:10.920 flipping science guy might. 1:05:11.960 --> 1:05:14.160 Now I'm f it's really more of a mortimer. If 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:14.880 you think about it. 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:16.960 You should. You should riff tell us what you think. 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:19.840 I can actually tell you what it does more than 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:24.000 what I'm doing with the subject of this podcast. No, 1:05:24.120 --> 1:05:27.280 it's it basically allows them to make more powerful charges 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:29.760 in the much smaller form, which has led to battery 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.080 charges that can charge more powerfully and that much smaller, 1:05:32.600 --> 1:05:34.440 And it's really cool. But then you get to this 1:05:34.480 --> 1:05:36.640 stuff where it's like what if you had six hundred 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:39.160 thousand m a h and you could power a house, 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:41.920 and you could power your friend's house, you could live. 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:45.400 Who is the what is the customer base there? Because 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:46.080 it feels like at a. 1:05:46.080 --> 1:05:48.520 Certain point you don't you just don't need more. Yeah, 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:51.680 that's the base thing. To Edward's point, I thought was 1:05:51.720 --> 1:05:53.280 really this was the thing that was very much on 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:55.680 my mind looking at a lot of the smart home 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:59.640 stuff was like, I think a lot of people. Let 1:05:59.720 --> 1:06:01.040 me not to say that this is like, you know, 1:06:01.080 --> 1:06:03.960 it's obviously it's elite stuff. This is like concept car shit. 1:06:04.000 --> 1:06:06.080 I don't think that. I don't know how many LG 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:08.760 smart homes exist in the wild, but is it like 1:06:08.880 --> 1:06:11.520 is it a thousand, is it a hundred? You know, 1:06:11.640 --> 1:06:16.800 like but whatever, I think most people and maybe I can't, 1:06:16.920 --> 1:06:19.960 I don't actually know what most people's experiences don't have 1:06:20.200 --> 1:06:25.400 especially reliable wireless internet service. It's expensive, it's not very good. 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:28.360 You know, the amount of like connectivity that would be 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:31.680 required to make this like sort of all seeing robot 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:34.720 that you know, helps you with every aspect of your life, 1:06:34.760 --> 1:06:37.440 like that would have to be reliable. Electricity isn't reliable. 1:06:37.440 --> 1:06:39.160 I mean it's like the thing where you know, obviously 1:06:39.560 --> 1:06:41.320 be like a bummer about this stuff, like if southern 1:06:41.320 --> 1:06:44.280 California is fucking on fire, like that's where I see 1:06:44.320 --> 1:06:46.360 a lot of these Mansas in my mind, you know, 1:06:46.400 --> 1:06:48.680 like these sort of like technologically like you were describing, 1:06:48.720 --> 1:06:54.840 like just basically like a vast stylish spare space with 1:06:54.880 --> 1:06:59.800 like perfect connectivity and yeah, technological things, yeah, basically right. 1:07:00.000 --> 1:07:03.160 But oh no, I was just gonna say, we live 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:03.600 in New York. 1:07:03.640 --> 1:07:03.800 You know. 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:05.880 It's like in New York, you know, we've had all 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:10.520 these private public partnerships to expand connectivity, and have they 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:13.840 done jack shit? I mean to the extent that, like you, 1:07:13.840 --> 1:07:16.720 you know, you to not until something else happens you 1:07:16.720 --> 1:07:21.160 realize how bad you have it and how much at 1:07:21.160 --> 1:07:23.400 the mercy of the firms you are to get any 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:24.440 sort of fix going on. 1:07:24.600 --> 1:07:24.920 Right. 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.360 So, the thing that comes to mind immediately as you're 1:07:27.400 --> 1:07:33.160 telling me about these ridiculous generators battery packs, there's generators 1:07:33.200 --> 1:07:36.960 substitutes is the experience of the most recent fires that 1:07:37.040 --> 1:07:40.120 happened in Santa Cruz. Now, since Los Angeles is in mind, 1:07:40.640 --> 1:07:43.680 has left PG and E service in the Santa Cruz 1:07:43.720 --> 1:07:50.480 Mountains deeply fractured and fragile. Right, So they offered to 1:07:50.520 --> 1:07:52.680 do power walls for a whole bunch of people because 1:07:53.520 --> 1:07:56.120 they said we can't promise you. We're not we're going 1:07:56.200 --> 1:07:58.480 to give you power, and that the power will be 1:07:58.680 --> 1:08:03.520 reliable and will be shutting you off regularly anytime the 1:08:03.640 --> 1:08:08.040 breeze so much as blows. So what these battery packs 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:11.960 telled me is an admission of fragility. Yeah, we're I mean, 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:15.560 that's kind of where we're approaching. Ye, but they're not 1:08:15.640 --> 1:08:18.479 selling it for that though. It seems like the marketing 1:08:18.560 --> 1:08:19.720 is still recreational. 1:08:19.800 --> 1:08:22.720 Yeah, I understand. I wonder next to because it's like 1:08:22.760 --> 1:08:24.160 a bummer to think about that. 1:08:24.240 --> 1:08:26.760 Yeah, this is CEO, but they're also selling it to 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:27.760 an audience that is. 1:08:27.720 --> 1:08:28.320 Thinking about it. 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.799 Sure, but I'm saying, though we're one year away. 1:08:30.600 --> 1:08:32.800 From Prepper has also come to mind. Yes, for off 1:08:32.800 --> 1:08:33.360 grid living. 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:35.599 But I think there's gonna this is my one CES 1:08:35.680 --> 1:08:38.880 prediction for twenty twenty six Preppers. I think there's going 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.120 to be more Prepper sales. The idea of being able 1:08:41.120 --> 1:08:43.839 to live off of grid, the idea of being able 1:08:43.880 --> 1:08:47.080 to not rely on the power grid, which. 1:08:46.840 --> 1:08:50.160 Some of the some of the marketing felt like a probe. 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:53.960 There it was like explicitly on grid but also off grid. Yeah, 1:08:53.960 --> 1:08:56.639 and not just like RV living, but just if you 1:08:56.760 --> 1:08:59.120 for some reason happened to have a home that was 1:08:59.439 --> 1:09:02.560 off the grid needed to be powered, like it was 1:09:02.600 --> 1:09:05.320 a four bedroom apartment in the city, you know then. 1:09:06.360 --> 1:09:08.639 But that's definitely that is interesting too, because I could 1:09:08.640 --> 1:09:10.880 definitely see that sort of because I got that sense 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:13.559 of it that there was this sort of like it's 1:09:13.600 --> 1:09:17.519 a non political version of the idea of being like 1:09:17.640 --> 1:09:20.120 fully self reliant, you know, like you could do whatever 1:09:20.160 --> 1:09:22.360 you want to do. You'll never be inconvenience because of 1:09:22.400 --> 1:09:25.719 this technology that you have. And yet like the next 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:28.280 step from that, like the political version of that is 1:09:28.520 --> 1:09:31.920 like you will never be inconvenienced by whatever agents of 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:33.800 the state, by the right heads, by the if the 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:37.519 ATF is laying siege to your homestead or whatever, you 1:09:37.520 --> 1:09:39.800 know that Like, yeah, we'll have. 1:09:39.760 --> 1:09:41.000 Like classic in voter activity. 1:09:41.080 --> 1:09:43.320 Yeah, loud speakers will continue to warm them. 1:09:43.439 --> 1:09:46.680 Yes, get off your property, you are trespassing. I am 1:09:46.680 --> 1:09:50.040 a sovereign citizen. My name is LG. Sovereign citizen. 1:09:51.600 --> 1:09:54.120 But also it's gonna bronche off from that, I think 1:09:54.120 --> 1:09:56.040 in a year and be like disaster relief. It's going 1:09:56.080 --> 1:09:59.639 to be like, hey, when shit starts breaking. And this 1:09:59.720 --> 1:10:01.920 is both the political and andym like, this is something 1:10:02.000 --> 1:10:04.519 the American power grid, the AI think has been pushing, 1:10:04.680 --> 1:10:07.840 the AI Generative AI and the data centers associated have 1:10:07.920 --> 1:10:10.400 been pushing the grid to its spring right, it was 1:10:10.479 --> 1:10:13.080 already old as shit, and so we're in this weird 1:10:13.120 --> 1:10:15.360 thing where I'm just predicting this for next year. I 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:17.759 bet they start marketing on that, and it's so dark 1:10:18.080 --> 1:10:20.040 like you can also that will definitely be the insane 1:10:20.040 --> 1:10:21.120 people sales as well. 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:23.760 Like the it appears that every single one of the 1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:29.120 modular nuclear power startups that have cut popped up in 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:34.880 the last decade, and you just fucking modular nuclear startups 1:10:35.120 --> 1:10:37.040 or care for that at all? 1:10:37.280 --> 1:10:39.760 Pocket sized reactors in. 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:42.000 A seriousness, please spell out what those mean though. 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:46.280 Okay, people are looking for sub gigawatt reactors that they 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:51.559 can treat effectively as nuclear batteries. This is for to 1:10:51.600 --> 1:10:54.160 what end, so that you can go ahead and power 1:10:54.680 --> 1:10:59.080 just a neighborhood with your private nuclear reactor. Oh good, 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:02.280 that belongs to you and the co op and you 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:07.439 have nuclear power as a service. So nas where they 1:11:07.479 --> 1:11:09.519 will regularly come in and swap fuel out for you 1:11:09.560 --> 1:11:13.960 to keep your enclave perfectly powered, not on clay from fallout. 1:11:14.000 --> 1:11:16.560 That's a totally different thing. 1:11:15.200 --> 1:11:19.439 And I'm going to talk about something more evil hoas. 1:11:19.960 --> 1:11:22.599 That actually is the overwriting people who would be paying 1:11:22.600 --> 1:11:25.160 for it and administering it. So somehow with a license 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:29.479 with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission in less and this hasn't 1:11:29.479 --> 1:11:34.080 happened yet, the Nuclear Regulator Commission wanted to generally license 1:11:34.200 --> 1:11:38.639 one of these pocket nuclear reactors, except all of them 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:41.720 have pivoted off this idea to We're going to make 1:11:41.760 --> 1:11:45.280 the power that supplies to make crypto happen, or make 1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.439 your AI happen because the grid is not stable enough. 1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:51.200 All these react is real? Are there any of these 1:11:51.240 --> 1:11:54.400 actually out in or is this just marketing marketing? 1:11:54.840 --> 1:11:55.839 They do exist. 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:59.560 We have built them before at experimental levels at the 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:04.120 national labs and have never licensed them to be real. 1:12:04.200 --> 1:12:05.400 Can you imagine these dipships? 1:12:05.400 --> 1:12:07.479 You would actually buy one for an no enclave actually 1:12:07.520 --> 1:12:10.200 having a nuclear that that's actually in real districtive. 1:12:10.479 --> 1:12:17.320 Microsoft nuclearner is sending me so fucking just an unbelievably 1:12:17.640 --> 1:12:19.080 reverse concept. 1:12:19.160 --> 1:12:21.639 I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about No. Sorry, 1:12:21.720 --> 1:12:23.719 it is a perverse concept, you speacause I'm talking about 1:12:23.720 --> 1:12:25.839 like an HOA having one of these, and like judging 1:12:25.840 --> 1:12:28.960 by every hay I've ever seen, they would blow this 1:12:29.000 --> 1:12:30.639 thing up immediate. 1:12:30.720 --> 1:12:32.400 This is one of the hopes to get them to 1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.600 generally license so you can't touch it. It goes in 1:12:35.640 --> 1:12:39.800 the ground. Your nice service people from Microsoft Nuclear will 1:12:39.840 --> 1:12:43.679 show up and that that is a subscription I told 1:12:43.720 --> 1:12:47.720 you as that's that's how you get them find they 1:12:47.760 --> 1:12:49.639 will go ahead and do the spot for it. All 1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:51.880 you can do as part of your neighborhood is just 1:12:52.000 --> 1:12:55.000 hook into your local grid and that's. 1:12:54.880 --> 1:12:57.559 All you should do as a consumer. That is correct. 1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:01.000 Honestly, that's still like that again, hate it, want to 1:13:01.000 --> 1:13:03.160 be clear getting it on the record, don't approve that 1:13:03.200 --> 1:13:05.559 as a business. That said, it's still better than giving 1:13:05.600 --> 1:13:09.040 it to like the single most disagreeable and ambitious person 1:13:09.080 --> 1:13:11.679 in your neighborhood. Like just the idea of like whoever 1:13:11.720 --> 1:13:15.360 your h o A president is like I trust Microsoft 1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:18.680 Nuclear over like Stacey. 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:21.160 Oh, you just made my asshole clench, But I don't 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:27.440 like aout. The idea of being a health physicist, beholden 1:13:27.520 --> 1:13:28.800 to the head of the h oh. 1:13:28.760 --> 1:13:32.519 Yeah, yeah, just getting some super officious email and that's why. 1:13:33.080 --> 1:13:34.719 It sounds like fallout DLC. 1:13:35.200 --> 1:13:39.639 Yeah, this sounds like, yeah, this could be a really 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:40.240 banging movie. 1:13:40.240 --> 1:13:44.000 But those are like isn't that like Mission Impossible three? 1:13:44.040 --> 1:13:45.479 Like suitcase nuke like that? 1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:48.600 Thinking just like a like a country wide blackout or 1:13:48.600 --> 1:13:50.040 something just to you like do a day. 1:13:54.920 --> 1:13:58.760 Uh uh, pitch the family that runs the Bond thing 1:13:58.880 --> 1:14:00.639 because they don't want to touch it with Amazon. 1:14:00.680 --> 1:14:05.080 This James Bond idiots. You ever had a James Bond 1:14:05.120 --> 1:14:08.400 occasionally smokes weed? Yeah, I'm kind. 1:14:08.200 --> 1:14:12.000 Of lazy because Bond. What if? 1:14:12.280 --> 1:14:14.840 What if? James Bond smoked weed is probably the first 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.280 real podcast idea show. 1:14:18.080 --> 1:14:20.120 Just like I need. 1:14:20.040 --> 1:14:22.400 Another good Indiegogo project. 1:14:22.479 --> 1:14:25.200 You're back two of the movie Candy Flips and it's 1:14:25.240 --> 1:14:26.080 to his detriment. 1:14:26.120 --> 1:14:28.160 They use it to kidnap his love and money. 1:14:28.200 --> 1:14:29.800 Patty, this is a sativa. 1:14:30.960 --> 1:14:31.280 Anyway. 1:14:31.320 --> 1:14:32.519 Please let's talk about tech again. 1:14:33.160 --> 1:14:35.120 That is weed is. 1:14:35.040 --> 1:14:36.280 Not tech, but. 1:14:37.920 --> 1:14:40.280 Together that's innovative. 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:43.599 Yeah, there is the weed innovation here. If you hear 1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:46.040 about this email me at easy at that offline dot com. 1:14:46.080 --> 1:14:48.200 I want to hear about that experience today. 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:50.200 I know you all talked about it yesterday, But when 1:14:50.200 --> 1:14:52.599 I was getting off the bus from the convention center, 1:14:52.880 --> 1:14:56.320 I discovered a whole other floor under the floor at 1:14:56.360 --> 1:15:01.880 the Venetian that the people the Eureka Zone whatever yesterday, 1:15:01.880 --> 1:15:03.680 which is basically just somebody. 1:15:03.560 --> 1:15:05.559 Where you want tech tech. 1:15:05.720 --> 1:15:08.559 Yeah, but it's also apparently that is the one where 1:15:08.600 --> 1:15:10.679 it's just like if you can fit in the room, 1:15:10.680 --> 1:15:12.960 they'll let you hang out. Yeah. I guess it's like whatever, 1:15:13.000 --> 1:15:14.720 So I'm gonna go down there and check that shit 1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:15.439 out either tomorrow. 1:15:15.479 --> 1:15:17.160 I expect there will be a laser bong for you 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:17.439 to see. 1:15:17.520 --> 1:15:20.760 Yes, that's where the like the weed tech is being 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:21.200 you know. 1:15:21.439 --> 1:15:23.320 The funny thing is is with weed tech, not saying 1:15:23.360 --> 1:15:26.040 I smoke it or not, but like they have not 1:15:26.160 --> 1:15:28.800 really fixed grinders yet. Like that is just a weird 1:15:28.800 --> 1:15:31.800 industry where's like one that only kind of works. It's 1:15:31.920 --> 1:15:34.960 very strange, but I guess and like some of them 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:37.200 not saying from personal experience, when you put the cone on, 1:15:37.240 --> 1:15:40.240 it's actually quite fiddly, and when you're using not quoting 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:44.400 my specific experience or anything, because I'm being very clear 1:15:44.439 --> 1:15:47.560 about who uses this, not how the fuck the stoners 1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:50.840 use these like very like fiddly little tools? Is it 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:54.840 just like stoners enter like hit Man level focus? They 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:58.400 go into bullet time when making one, because I wouldn't 1:15:58.400 --> 1:15:59.519 if I used one which I had. 1:15:59.640 --> 1:16:02.479 If you, if you did smoke weed, would you be 1:16:02.520 --> 1:16:05.479 a roller? Would you pearl your joints? 1:16:05.479 --> 1:16:08.040 In this hypothetical scenario. I found one where you can 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:10.600 just put the cone and then the grinder is on 1:16:10.640 --> 1:16:12.720 top of it. It's like fifty bucks. It changed my 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:13.799 theoretical life. 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:15.280 Yeah, it would have. 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:16.960 It would have in this fan fiction. 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:19.600 In this fan fiction, we're talking in this simulation. I 1:16:19.640 --> 1:16:21.400 think I've even said it in another episode. 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:22.240 I don't know what I'm doing. 1:16:23.320 --> 1:16:23.479 Two. 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:29.640 Yeah, this is Earth to Ed, But is it? 1:16:30.240 --> 1:16:32.200 You would think that there would be more of that though, 1:16:32.280 --> 1:16:34.479 there would be more like maybe you'll see it when 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:36.880 you go and look. Maybe I would love to hear 1:16:36.920 --> 1:16:41.040 the weed stuff for someone else. But also that's also 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:44.360 one that feels solved as well, like at some point to. 1:16:44.280 --> 1:16:46.800 A certain extent. Though again it's like that's the type 1:16:46.840 --> 1:16:49.840 of ship that I liked that I saw here, especially 1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:53.280 in the Venetian Yesterday is the attempt where it's just 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:56.480 like it's inventor stuff. It's like taking a practical problem 1:16:56.800 --> 1:16:59.200 and then like working out some way to you know, 1:16:59.400 --> 1:17:01.000 fix it or make it. You know, it's not always 1:17:01.040 --> 1:17:04.120 affordable or whatever. But if the practical problem in question 1:17:04.320 --> 1:17:06.880 is like no soft serve in my house, yeah, like 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:10.439 machine that fixed it. You know, like it's twenty five 1:17:10.520 --> 1:17:13.000 hundred dollars after the discount here, but it's still like 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:16.120 I had the soft serve. It was pretty good soft serve. 1:17:16.280 --> 1:17:18.400 Like these things can be fixed. 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:21.320 I went to a coffee station and they were like, oh, 1:17:21.320 --> 1:17:22.560 it's AI powered. 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:22.840 And so I went. 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:24.519 So I got the coffee and I'm like, how's it 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:27.160 AI powered? They're like, oh, well, this is a generator. 1:17:27.200 --> 1:17:29.360 I was like what, Yeah, what do you mean this 1:17:29.400 --> 1:17:32.080 is a generator? And so then I'm actually gave the 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.679 coffee station a real look and I was like, oh, okay, 1:17:34.720 --> 1:17:37.519 you have the coffee thing here that's very small, and 1:17:37.560 --> 1:17:40.160 then right next to it is a massive generator you've 1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:43.000 stacked on here that kind of looks like it's the 1:17:43.000 --> 1:17:44.280 coffee machine, but it isn't. 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:47.040 What is it's It's called Ecoflow. 1:17:47.160 --> 1:17:47.360 You know. 1:17:48.320 --> 1:17:49.760 It's one of the ones I was talking to you about, 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:52.800 which is like for your home thousands and thousands and 1:17:52.880 --> 1:17:56.599 thousands of watts. But they were they were just using 1:17:56.600 --> 1:17:58.479 it as an example to be like, oh, you like 1:17:58.560 --> 1:18:01.160 the coffee, Well, the coffee is plugged into a system 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:02.800 that would be able to figure out whether it should 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:03.639 draw from the grid. 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:05.160 Hey, which are the solar collar? 1:18:05.880 --> 1:18:09.879 Is it waste heat from AI explation to make coffee? 1:18:10.320 --> 1:18:12.720 No, the AI has nothing to do with coffee, but 1:18:12.760 --> 1:18:15.519 they say it has to do with coffee all. What 1:18:15.560 --> 1:18:17.639 it has to do is it's supposed to plug into 1:18:17.640 --> 1:18:20.439 your home to figure out energy efficiency, and if you 1:18:20.560 --> 1:18:22.880 got one of their coffee things, you'd happen to be 1:18:22.920 --> 1:18:24.839 able to take advantage of that so that you wouldn't 1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:25.479 be using. 1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.160 More expensive qu on another subscription surface. 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:30.840 Yeah good, Yeah, once again one of those things that 1:18:30.920 --> 1:18:33.360 like everything that you describe there sounds okay enough to me. 1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:35.600 I just don't know why you have to say AI. 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:37.519 When you see yeah all the rest in me either. 1:18:37.680 --> 1:18:38.559 Yeah, it's just confusing. 1:18:38.600 --> 1:18:42.080 It's actually fun because I he's he had. I asked 1:18:42.160 --> 1:18:44.000 him a bunch about the AI. I couldn't really find it. 1:18:44.040 --> 1:18:46.519 Then we spent like ten fifteen minutes talking about my 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:48.840 locks because he was like, oh, my god, What are 1:18:48.920 --> 1:18:52.000 are these these dreadlocks? How do you grow them? I 1:18:52.160 --> 1:18:58.439 heard that they're so com person's just he had so 1:18:58.520 --> 1:18:59.080 many questions. 1:18:59.120 --> 1:18:59.519 It was fun. 1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:00.760 It was actually white guy. 1:19:00.960 --> 1:19:04.160 No, he's from China. Yeah, okay, that's so good. 1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:07.400 I was not a great question, but you know I was. 1:19:07.439 --> 1:19:09.919 I was being empathetic because I'm like, these are probably 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:11.040 great first ones. 1:19:11.080 --> 1:19:14.800 I've seen six other black people on the floor off 1:19:14.800 --> 1:19:18.120 the four days. You know, have you learned other names already? 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:20.559 We not do each other every time we see each other. 1:19:20.800 --> 1:19:23.120 How was the coffee? 1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:23.760 It was? 1:19:24.080 --> 1:19:26.679 It was regular, regular black coffee. 1:19:26.720 --> 1:19:28.240 Okay, so it's so funny. 1:19:28.280 --> 1:19:31.960 We've had better. Yeah, yeah, coffee, I've made better. And 1:19:31.960 --> 1:19:34.400 I don't drink coffee like that. By the way, I'm 1:19:34.439 --> 1:19:35.559 still mad just sitting here. 1:19:35.600 --> 1:19:37.519 I thought of a better use case for AI to 1:19:37.600 --> 1:19:40.840 actually heat water to make coffee within their actual problems. 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:42.759 It went on the business of fixing problems. 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:44.040 Ship that's what I did. 1:19:44.160 --> 1:19:46.760 Yeah, that's not why we come here. A consumer. 1:19:47.120 --> 1:19:49.439 You must consume now if I can help, May I 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:51.559 offer you something you can go troll people with if 1:19:51.560 --> 1:19:52.960 you happen to find the laser bone. 1:19:52.960 --> 1:19:54.280 I don't like to do that kind of thing. 1:19:56.200 --> 1:19:58.759 This family, so you can go ahead and ask them, 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.679 So when you're you using the laser on the weed, 1:20:01.960 --> 1:20:03.320 does it how's it burning? 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:07.919 Does it burn it enough? How? Because uh, that's a problem. 1:20:08.200 --> 1:20:10.800 I feel like there would be people. That's one of 1:20:10.800 --> 1:20:13.120 those spaces where sometimes you'll go someplace and the person 1:20:13.160 --> 1:20:15.080 that's selling it is just like they're doing their best. 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:18.840 Yeah, not that they're not like in love with it. 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:20.160 That just I'm just fucking him. 1:20:20.240 --> 1:20:21.120 It is kind of amazing. 1:20:21.120 --> 1:20:23.679 Though I've seen less weed tech than crypto, Like I've 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:27.439 seen crypto three or four times now, but we zero. 1:20:27.800 --> 1:20:30.000 Yeah, because I feel like if you had to pick 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:32.439 one of those things to still exist in five years, yeah, 1:20:33.240 --> 1:20:34.360 I mean they probably both going. 1:20:34.280 --> 1:20:37.040 To exist from previous Yes there was weed. 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:41.519 Tech, Yeah, maybe it's dying where maybe they forgot crypt 1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:46.360 So one was this this healthcare management devices on the blockchain, 1:20:46.640 --> 1:20:49.080 and the other was an AI trader that would make 1:20:49.560 --> 1:20:52.120 that was not financial advice, but it would make decisions. 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:56.400 For you every time there's any financial thing doing financial advice. 1:20:56.479 --> 1:21:00.360 But I love the AI trade one because back to 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:03.160 a conversation with my make Casey, It's like if the 1:21:03.200 --> 1:21:05.360 AI trade it was so good, why would you fucking 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:05.760 sell it? 1:21:06.560 --> 1:21:07.720 Yeah, I wouldn't to be so good. 1:21:07.760 --> 1:21:09.960 You just turn this ship on and off you you're 1:21:10.000 --> 1:21:12.240 on your yaw Yeah, got me that. Fuck. 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:14.000 It also feels like again one of those things where 1:21:14.000 --> 1:21:17.000 it's like, for all the promise of of AI ostensibly, 1:21:17.479 --> 1:21:20.479 you know, all the promise of it, like everybody that 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:23.519 uses it knows it doesn't work very well. And so 1:21:23.560 --> 1:21:25.040 the idea of being like, well, I'm not gonna like 1:21:25.160 --> 1:21:28.320 as part of my participation in the work of building 1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:32.320 an AI that works, I'm going to let it control 1:21:32.400 --> 1:21:34.920 my money while I do this is the all the others. 1:21:34.920 --> 1:21:36.280 This goes back to like some of the stuff about 1:21:36.280 --> 1:21:37.880 the smart house. It's like all of these things that 1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:41.320 like give you extra time to do what like none 1:21:41.320 --> 1:21:44.240 of these like more trading. Yeah, and it basically doesn't 1:21:45.040 --> 1:21:47.040 like all the time in your house that you'd be 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:50.320 spending like preparing food or like showering room, which is 1:21:50.320 --> 1:21:52.280 like basically the part of my life that I like 1:21:52.320 --> 1:21:55.320 because the part like when I'm not working, you know, 1:21:55.479 --> 1:21:55.960 like I like. 1:21:55.920 --> 1:21:56.720 When you bathe too. 1:21:57.160 --> 1:22:00.160 Yeah, I appreciate that, but that is a good point, right, 1:22:00.240 --> 1:22:02.960 Like all of these a lot of AI is structured 1:22:03.040 --> 1:22:08.120 to be anti bureaucratic, cutting through the supposed layers of 1:22:08.160 --> 1:22:09.120 filth that prevent you. 1:22:09.080 --> 1:22:09.960 From living your life. 1:22:10.000 --> 1:22:11.840 Yep, right, But then when you get down to it, 1:22:11.880 --> 1:22:14.800 what's left a more space for them to commodify. 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:17.919 Well, now you don't have to write or create anything. 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.599 Yeah, you can affect it part of that filth. 1:22:22.520 --> 1:22:24.760 But that's like there's this observation. I don't remember who 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:26.559 who said it. There was basically like the idea that 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:28.360 like because of it, maybe because of the people that 1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:30.920 invented it, or just maybe this is what it is 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:35.680 most practically applied to that It's like it's doing all 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:38.160 of the stuff that like is your life to give 1:22:38.160 --> 1:22:39.160 you more time to work. 1:22:39.240 --> 1:22:39.840 When I think. 1:22:39.720 --> 1:22:42.280 Realistic, like most people would be if you ask them, 1:22:42.320 --> 1:22:44.240 they'd be like, well, can it do my work for me? 1:22:44.760 --> 1:22:46.719 Like I want to learn how to paint or whatever 1:22:46.800 --> 1:22:48.519 you know, and that you don't have to pain. 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:51.439 Yeah, you can just ask for it to do. 1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:54.760 This'll draw you whatever I want to do that you can't. 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:56.640 You can't imitate the cause, so why would you want to? 1:22:56.920 --> 1:22:58.719 Like you, but it can make it the best stick butts. 1:22:58.880 --> 1:23:02.719 Yeah, I like when people tell me I will write 1:23:02.760 --> 1:23:05.080 my blogs for me. I don't know what I'm writing 1:23:05.120 --> 1:23:08.040 when I sit down, too, that's the muse. I don't know. 1:23:08.439 --> 1:23:10.479 I let the power of Christ consume me, and I 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:12.639 write five and a half thousand words in two hours, 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:14.280 and I research awhile as I go. I send it 1:23:14.320 --> 1:23:15.519 to my editor all caps. 1:23:15.600 --> 1:23:16.200 Is this good? 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:19.920 And Matt Hughes then doesn't respond immediately because it's two 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:22.040 in the morning there, and then I send him three 1:23:22.080 --> 1:23:24.040 more messages saying I changed a bit, I changed a bit, 1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:25.559 it's not I don't love it. And he has to 1:23:25.600 --> 1:23:26.679 explain to me why it's good. 1:23:26.800 --> 1:23:28.599 That is the create What if an algorithm did that 1:23:28.640 --> 1:23:31.080 for you and you sat perfectly still for those three 1:23:31.120 --> 1:23:33.800 hours having no thoughts of any kind would. 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:39.000 Be nice having ADHD and tonightus That sounds great. Yeah, 1:23:39.360 --> 1:23:41.760 just And that's the thing. None of these things seem 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:42.839 to take away suffering. 1:23:43.479 --> 1:23:46.640 Well no, like it doesn't seem like they're reducing, like 1:23:46.640 --> 1:23:47.360 like they. 1:23:47.240 --> 1:23:49.080 Get a little bit of what it means to be 1:23:49.120 --> 1:23:50.400 a person, but not the whole. 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.080 Yeah, I'm so I've been saying this again. It's only 1:23:53.120 --> 1:23:55.679 suggests like that the people involved that like these things 1:23:55.680 --> 1:23:58.720 that are like minor inconveniences for most people, Like, are 1:23:58.800 --> 1:24:00.639 you know the idea of like having to do the dishes, 1:24:00.640 --> 1:24:03.479 Like that's the worst thing in the life the person 1:24:03.760 --> 1:24:04.439 trying to sell you this. 1:24:04.560 --> 1:24:06.320 No, no, no, those people don't do the dishes. 1:24:06.320 --> 1:24:09.280 What they've done is they've gone ship. What do people do? Yeah? 1:24:09.560 --> 1:24:09.840 Fuck? 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:11.599 What what are regular people? 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:13.360 Food? They eat? 1:24:13.600 --> 1:24:14.479 They love that stuff. 1:24:14.600 --> 1:24:16.880 They can't they can't dress themselves. 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:21.560 They're idiots. They can't date. And what they do dish dishes? 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:23.080 My cleaner does those? 1:24:23.120 --> 1:24:25.680 They charge their devices? Yeah, they need to. 1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:27.679 Love their device most definitely. 1:24:27.840 --> 1:24:30.719 They don't have time to spend with their stupid little kids, 1:24:30.920 --> 1:24:31.760 their wife. 1:24:31.479 --> 1:24:34.760 And their stupid child, the moron child. But oh they 1:24:34.760 --> 1:24:36.959 haven't even got one of those because they're inferior. 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:37.439 Don't worry. 1:24:37.760 --> 1:24:40.080 L G will get you there and you will now 1:24:40.120 --> 1:24:43.559 meet a woman thanks to Lucky gold Star Corporation. That's 1:24:43.600 --> 1:24:46.280 what the few And I keep going back to this point, 1:24:46.320 --> 1:24:48.519 it's like, what are the problems you sol stands for 1:24:48.520 --> 1:24:49.840 a Yeah, yes it does. 1:24:50.000 --> 1:24:55.320 Wow, cool, I didn't I learned something? Yeah, they have 1:24:55.360 --> 1:24:58.760 it on the side blue garret life and life's good. 1:24:58.840 --> 1:25:00.960 And I was like you again, that's one of those 1:25:01.000 --> 1:25:03.160 things where it like, I don't think that's the real 1:25:03.240 --> 1:25:06.200 name of that. Lucky gold Star makes more sense because 1:25:06.200 --> 1:25:07.639 that has a certain where it just feels like they 1:25:07.840 --> 1:25:10.040 used to be like a ready mixed concrete company or 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:12.640 like an international shipping line, you know, and then at 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:15.519 some point they've like discovered I actually think they might 1:25:15.600 --> 1:25:21.000 have made concrete. You know, color Color started, Color started, 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:25.000 the LG Concrete Inc. Super good. Well that's where it begins. 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:26.400 You start with that and then. 1:25:26.400 --> 1:25:30.760 And steal where we learned. We learned a lot today. No, 1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.559 it's it's just frustrating because I'm not asking. I just 1:25:34.600 --> 1:25:36.479 want to be clear for the listeners. I'm not asking, 1:25:36.520 --> 1:25:40.280 did you see anything good? To be facetious, I genuinely like, 1:25:40.360 --> 1:25:43.480 I was so happy that Theveingra had founded laptop. 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:44.160 He liked it sounded cool. 1:25:44.560 --> 1:25:45.800 I'm so excited about that. 1:25:45.960 --> 1:25:48.479 And the skin products that Victoria is talking about the 1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:50.240 fact that you can actually make these, and that's what 1:25:50.280 --> 1:25:52.120 Teke should do. It should like be like, hey, here's 1:25:52.120 --> 1:25:55.160 an actual friction point. You spend hundreds of dollars on skincare. 1:25:55.800 --> 1:25:57.720 Now you don't have to do that because you can 1:25:57.760 --> 1:26:00.800 spend theoretically hundreds on the stuff that actually works so 1:26:00.840 --> 1:26:03.000 you don't have to spend more in the future. And 1:26:03.040 --> 1:26:06.679 then it's like, Okay, that's one company who knows one thing, 1:26:06.800 --> 1:26:10.280 but the overwatching thing is the CEO saying, fuck, what. 1:26:10.280 --> 1:26:11.439 Do people do jobs? 1:26:11.560 --> 1:26:14.519 Yeah? What do people do doing during the job that 1:26:14.560 --> 1:26:17.160 they do? They wash dishes and they on set emails 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:18.000 and they read them. 1:26:18.400 --> 1:26:20.800 Yeah, that I don't like a little bit of disconnection 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:23.040 to me seems like I see it's like at the 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:27.360 root of like so much of what is like not 1:26:27.960 --> 1:26:31.000 working about a lot of this that there's because the 1:26:31.040 --> 1:26:33.479 ones that it seems to me and maybe this is 1:26:33.520 --> 1:26:36.160 just my own bias for like small or large or whatever. 1:26:36.200 --> 1:26:39.360 You know, I'm like gonna own my my preferences here. 1:26:40.280 --> 1:26:46.120 The stuff that is like clearly designed to like fix 1:26:46.240 --> 1:26:49.880 a specific thing or improve a specific thing is better 1:26:49.960 --> 1:26:52.400 to me than and like much more easy for me 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:55.639 to sort of like understand, as you know, just an 1:26:55.640 --> 1:26:57.679 idiot standing in front of a demo or whatever. 1:26:57.760 --> 1:26:58.880 I need you just to stop saying that. 1:26:58.960 --> 1:27:01.400 Well it's regulars whole term that I like to use 1:27:01.439 --> 1:27:04.639 to describe myself, but the like so that but anyway, 1:27:04.680 --> 1:27:07.479 but I get it in that way, whereas the idea 1:27:07.520 --> 1:27:11.360 of like a thing that fixes or improves everything or 1:27:11.400 --> 1:27:15.439 that is like that like sort of global idea of it. 1:27:15.479 --> 1:27:18.040 I understand why these companies which are you know, their 1:27:18.280 --> 1:27:20.200 job is to grow into like sort. 1:27:20.080 --> 1:27:22.360 Of a bigger thing that will then grow right. 1:27:22.800 --> 1:27:25.680 And yet like not only does it become like sort 1:27:25.720 --> 1:27:29.479 of hard to see like what the actual vision is, 1:27:30.640 --> 1:27:33.400 it gets not just like more abstracted, but it like 1:27:33.520 --> 1:27:36.000 it gets weirder. This is the thing that we keep 1:27:36.040 --> 1:27:38.040 sort of coming back to that like you're not fixing 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:42.479 the problem like by like devising a house that does 1:27:42.520 --> 1:27:44.280 all my decisions for me. It does not in any 1:27:44.280 --> 1:27:45.880 way diminish the fact that I'm still paying too much 1:27:45.880 --> 1:27:47.400 money for skincare products. 1:27:47.120 --> 1:27:47.599 Right, you know. 1:27:47.640 --> 1:27:51.320 And I guess like this is something that uh, your 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:54.000 Mia was saying last night about the idea of like 1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:56.839 all of these sort of like individual solutions to broader 1:27:56.920 --> 1:27:59.080 structural problems, and that like the idea of just like 1:27:59.080 --> 1:28:01.840 continuing to throw the idea of being like, well, this 1:28:01.960 --> 1:28:05.439 is like a better way of getting around, and it's 1:28:05.479 --> 1:28:07.759 like it might even be a better way of getting around. 1:28:07.800 --> 1:28:12.040 And yet like when the systems themselves are sort of 1:28:12.080 --> 1:28:16.240 not working in your favor. It doesn't matter that much 1:28:16.760 --> 1:28:21.840 how like down to the last decimal point efficient your 1:28:21.880 --> 1:28:23.599 experience of it is because you're still gonna be stuck 1:28:23.600 --> 1:28:24.840 on the road with everybody else. 1:28:24.960 --> 1:28:26.479 It kind of reminds me of what I was saying 1:28:26.479 --> 1:28:29.800 about fintech and removing friction. Oh, you'll be able to 1:28:29.840 --> 1:28:32.599 trade better and do this. The real structural problem there 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:35.120 is it's very, very hard to accumulate wealth as a 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:38.000 regular person. The actual that is more of a symptom 1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:39.519 of a problem than it is. 1:28:39.600 --> 1:28:41.400 And also as I understand that all of these things, 1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:44.080 like the one there's one that was either entry centered 1:28:44.080 --> 1:28:47.080 teel or one of the fucking super friends, but a 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:53.040 thing that was like basically like not FDIC backed, like 1:28:53.080 --> 1:28:54.519 that was the whole They were like finally like you 1:28:54.560 --> 1:28:56.639 can bank without big government being involved. And then it's 1:28:56.640 --> 1:28:58.360 like and it collapsed right away. 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:00.720 Goodness, there's no insurance to Yeah, but. 1:29:00.680 --> 1:29:03.120 That's like one of those things where like understanding the 1:29:03.160 --> 1:29:06.200 idea that like this is a part of a bigger 1:29:06.200 --> 1:29:09.800 system is like it's just not something that computes for them, 1:29:09.800 --> 1:29:11.479 and so what you wind up with instead is like 1:29:11.720 --> 1:29:14.559 the worst invention of halt time, Yes, like a bank 1:29:14.640 --> 1:29:15.400 that ruins you. 1:29:15.560 --> 1:29:18.800 Yeah, something that might have been invented by like a 1:29:18.920 --> 1:29:21.240 rich diletunt in the eighteen thirties. 1:29:21.280 --> 1:29:23.920 Yes, like at a time when there wasn't really a system, 1:29:23.920 --> 1:29:26.000 and so they're sort of yeah, like just the rude golder. 1:29:26.120 --> 1:29:28.240 I guess there's so many of the crypto things that 1:29:28.280 --> 1:29:30.479 do feel like an insane thing that a guy would 1:29:30.520 --> 1:29:32.719 do in a cult. Yeah. Yeah, it's a coin about 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:35.160 this woman who talked about what she used to do 1:29:35.280 --> 1:29:37.559 with a Willie mm hmm. And you should invest in 1:29:37.600 --> 1:29:39.840 the hawk to a coin who has a podcast for 1:29:39.880 --> 1:29:41.720 some reason, this is your god. Now. 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:43.639 I have a few friends who have made a lot 1:29:43.680 --> 1:29:47.200 of any friend crypto, and they're the way that they 1:29:47.200 --> 1:29:50.559 approach it is like they're like, I am deeply cynical 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:53.240 about it, but everyone here is an idiot. And if 1:29:53.240 --> 1:29:55.400 you make enough money to begin with, then you get 1:29:55.400 --> 1:29:58.759 plugged into the networks of people who are actively manipulating people. 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:01.599 So what you mean is that they believe they believe 1:30:02.120 --> 1:30:07.120 it's it's every every grift ever, which is I'm being scammed. 1:30:07.200 --> 1:30:09.800 But what they don't know is I'm scamming them better. 1:30:09.840 --> 1:30:12.240 Well, yes, that's the bit that I always am curious 1:30:12.240 --> 1:30:14.320 about with like because this is I think it's been 1:30:14.360 --> 1:30:19.720 like demonstrated that like absent any other of the like 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:23.519 sort of many factors that could make somebody become like 1:30:23.560 --> 1:30:25.840 that that like made people vote for Trump, or that 1:30:25.960 --> 1:30:28.280 like push people to the right, that like crypto is 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:30.840 the single most powerful indicator there that it is like 1:30:30.920 --> 1:30:34.719 the thing that like owning crypto is associated with voting 1:30:35.320 --> 1:30:37.760 like often to the very hard to the right in 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:39.400 a way that nothing else is. And I think that 1:30:39.439 --> 1:30:42.120 there's an aspect of that where like the idea of 1:30:42.120 --> 1:30:45.280 being like, all right, it's a scam, I'm scamming somebody. 1:30:45.320 --> 1:30:47.280 I'm probably being scammed, but I know enough to get 1:30:47.280 --> 1:30:49.560 out that seems to be true. Not just that the 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:51.320 people like you were saying, like your buddies who are 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:54.080 like plugged into the people that are actually you know, 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.840 like in the whale community and like know when it's 1:30:56.880 --> 1:30:59.960 time to bail on Hawk two coin or whatever. 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:04.400 Yeah, if it's fast, you know whatever the fuck right, Yeah. 1:31:04.240 --> 1:31:07.600 It's like all of these things that basically are like 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:10.200 the most obvious like do not buy this. This is 1:31:10.240 --> 1:31:12.960 a gag sort of thing. And yet like I think 1:31:13.000 --> 1:31:15.599 everybody that is involved with that at every level, right 1:31:15.640 --> 1:31:20.160 down to like just some like manosphere shut in nineteen 1:31:20.200 --> 1:31:23.679 year old on a gaming computer right doing all the stuff. 1:31:23.840 --> 1:31:26.960 All of those guys somehow still believe that. They're like, yeah, 1:31:27.000 --> 1:31:28.760 I know it's bullshit, but like, I'll know when it's 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:29.280 time to get out. 1:31:29.320 --> 1:31:33.400 But now it's the ultimate con which is to pretend 1:31:33.439 --> 1:31:36.479 to give people industry, to give people hope, to give 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:40.360 people more a feeling of more control while controlling them 1:31:40.400 --> 1:31:43.719 and probably being controlled by someone out it's yeah, deeply. 1:31:43.720 --> 1:31:45.559 So I've tried to talk with them about this because 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:48.200 I'm like, I really do think for y'all, it comes 1:31:48.240 --> 1:31:50.760 down to luck. You know, it's like like you said, 1:31:50.800 --> 1:31:54.000 it's literally everyone believes that, and everyone believes. 1:31:53.720 --> 1:31:55.920 That in so many industries, right. 1:31:56.280 --> 1:31:58.760 The difference between you and some other bloke is like 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.519 maybe you heard about it an hour earlier, or you 1:32:01.680 --> 1:32:05.000 just like there's like something that you got for no 1:32:05.120 --> 1:32:06.400 other reason other than. 1:32:06.600 --> 1:32:09.360 It's important to note that we're saying this inside of 1:32:09.360 --> 1:32:09.919 a casino. 1:32:10.240 --> 1:32:12.960 Yeah yeah, right now, And honest, every. 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:16.559 Everyone thinks they have a system to play, and the 1:32:16.560 --> 1:32:22.479 true beauty of sitting casino is sit there cross your arms, 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:26.960 watch and try to figure out what system they think 1:32:27.040 --> 1:32:29.439 they're using and watch it fail. 1:32:29.520 --> 1:32:31.360 So we gamble in tonight, right boys. 1:32:31.120 --> 1:32:32.080 Yeah, not for me. 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:34.519 I'm trying to lose five hundred dollars in twenty minutes. 1:32:34.760 --> 1:32:36.880 So we're wrapping this episode up, but I will say 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:41.040 the Friday episode. The show floor closes today, by the way, guys, 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:46.120 So there's nothing tomorrow, No just podcasting. Oh owly zool. 1:32:46.840 --> 1:32:48.519 So we're gonna wrap this one up, but tomorrow we 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:51.080 can talk about get into the Eureka Vault. You're going 1:32:51.120 --> 1:32:54.920 to the Eureka Volte immediately following this will that's the 1:32:54.960 --> 1:32:58.639 one you'll save art. 1:32:59.000 --> 1:33:00.639 I am sending you to the rat nest. 1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:01.880 Oh my god. 1:33:02.160 --> 1:33:05.320 We'll talk gambling tomorrow though, of course, how dare you 1:33:06.040 --> 1:33:09.599 how dare you ever think to compare the dishonest crooks 1:33:09.600 --> 1:33:10.440 of cryptocurrency. 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:16.280 I'm sorry, let's do very sorry, the Las Vegas said, sorry, 1:33:16.280 --> 1:33:17.479 the Nevada Gaming Commission. 1:33:17.680 --> 1:33:19.200 I'm very sorry for anything. 1:33:19.240 --> 1:33:21.960 I have swindlers in the sports book, but you know 1:33:22.000 --> 1:33:23.920 that we love our odds there. But you know the 1:33:23.920 --> 1:33:26.599 truth is our beautiful slot machines and our honest tables 1:33:26.640 --> 1:33:29.080 that have the odds on the table. How dare you 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:32.480 comp its cryptocurrency? But we have to wrap up. I apologize, 1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:36.120 No six waists. 1:33:38.000 --> 1:33:38.919 You make big money. 1:33:40.640 --> 1:33:40.920 Table. 1:33:43.240 --> 1:33:46.200 Phil. Where can people find you? Sorry? 1:33:47.520 --> 1:33:48.040 Phil Brighton? 1:33:48.120 --> 1:33:51.360 You can find me on Blue Sky at at Fundranium, 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:54.679 and you can find me at my blog Funderanium Labs dot. 1:33:54.520 --> 1:33:59.280 Com, David Defector dot com. UH is the website, Distraction 1:33:59.560 --> 1:34:01.960 is the pot cast, and it's Christmas Down is the 1:34:02.000 --> 1:34:03.479 Hallmark podcast. You messed up. 1:34:03.520 --> 1:34:05.000 You said you can do it every other time, so 1:34:05.080 --> 1:34:06.000 you have to do it every time. 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:11.080 Corblamo and ED Newsletter, the Tech Bubble dot subsac dot com, 1:34:11.800 --> 1:34:16.280 UH podcast, this Machine Kills UH and UH ext to 1:34:16.360 --> 1:34:18.679 everything site in Blue Sky, Big Black Jacobin. 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:21.960 You can find me on the new social network hawk 1:34:22.040 --> 1:34:26.679 to a Social and everywhere else THEA. And you're gonna 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:28.960 complain after this, you can say, Ed, it's the thing 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:31.240 that you were meant to rerecord. And Mattasowski told you 1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:33.040 a month ago and then actually two months and Ian 1:34:33.120 --> 1:34:34.800 Johnson also told you. And you need to be sorry 1:34:34.840 --> 1:34:36.960 for those people anyway, And I'm gonna re record the 1:34:37.000 --> 1:34:39.400 bit at the end. You've got one more episode today 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:42.920 and then tomorrow another two episodes, and then Saturday there's 1:34:43.040 --> 1:34:46.120 just one. These are gonna be the real magic ones. 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:49.400 These are gonna be where people are really deteriorating mentally. 1:34:49.600 --> 1:34:51.480 Is this where I get to be mad about regulators? 1:34:52.000 --> 1:34:54.240 I'm gonna make you mad somehow, I believe in it. 1:34:54.520 --> 1:34:57.679 I'm gonna be I'm just going to be googling annoying things, 1:34:57.960 --> 1:34:58.960 not even about the show. 1:34:59.080 --> 1:35:00.439 You don't need to google, you just do it. 1:35:00.520 --> 1:35:03.240 Yeah, it's a natural thing. I'm generative. Anyway, Thanks for 1:35:03.280 --> 1:35:05.680 listening to this episode. More to come from the Consumer 1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:16.880 Electronics Show. Thank you for listening to Better Offline. 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