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Speaker 1: Good morning, I'm Dad Prisoner and I'm Brian Curtis. Here

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Speaker 1: are the stories we're following today. So let's talk a

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Speaker 1: little bit about what we had in market action today.

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Speaker 1: We had a lot of weakness in the equity market today.

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