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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as

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Speaker 2: always so much for tuning in. That's our man, the myth,

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Speaker 2: the legend, the one and only super producer, mister Max Williams.

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Speaker 3: Who rah rah ray, No, you got it, you got it. Uh.

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Speaker 2: They called me Ben Bollen for various reasons. That's the

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Speaker 2: one and only, mister Noel Brown.

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Speaker 4: Nol. How's it going, Bet? I got a question. Have

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Speaker 4: you been Bolan before?

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Speaker 5: I have never?

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Speaker 2: Do you want me to give you like the kind answer? Yes, okay, uh,

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Speaker 2: yes I have. It is the opposite of nominative determinism

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Speaker 2: in my case, Nol. If you are listening to this,

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Speaker 2: if you are ever in the same town as me

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Speaker 2: and you need a little bit of an ego boost,

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Speaker 2: you feel like you need a win, go bowling with

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Speaker 2: me because you will be victorious.

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Speaker 5: I am You're You're like, you're like the opposite of

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Speaker 5: a ringer, I am whatever.

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Speaker 4: The opposite of a ringer is yes, sabatteur. Perhaps, well, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we have we.

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Speaker 2: Have some real ringers today, right Because we were able

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Speaker 2: to hang out with the Luminaries, one of our peer podcasts. Uh,

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Speaker 2: the amazing folks Elizabeth Dutton, Zarreon Burnett, and super producer

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Speaker 2: KG Dave at a Ridiculous Crime.

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Speaker 5: It's true and we did something of a new thing

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Speaker 5: for us.

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Speaker 6: We've done, you know, our head to heads with our nemesis,

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Speaker 6: the quizt We've done some quiz related to U with

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Speaker 6: our buddy A. J. Jacobs, the Puzzler, but never quite

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Speaker 6: fully a game show scenario.

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Speaker 4: This is a little bit new for Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 2: And credit where due our pals over Ridiculous Crime said, well,

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Speaker 2: let's not just play historical flexes. Let's make it an

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Speaker 2: actual like you were saying, make it an actual game.

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Speaker 2: And it's a game that we think is going to continues.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hear today, folks, is you're going to

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Speaker 2: hear Nol and Max and Elizabeth and Zarin and Dave

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Speaker 2: and yours truly playing a game called twenty questions question.

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Speaker 6: Which is you know, I was familiar with the concept,

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Speaker 6: but it never dipped my toe into the twenty questions

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Speaker 6: pool before. And let me tell you there's some some

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Speaker 6: refreshing waters in that pool. I really enjoyed the game

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Speaker 6: very much and look forward to doing it again.

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Speaker 7: But why don't we get right to it without further ado?

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Speaker 8: Saren, Elizabeth, Ben, Noel Max. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 8: Six hosts, six hosts in a tiny.

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Speaker 5: Gonna be some cross talk, y'all, it's gonna be some

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Speaker 5: cross talk.

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Speaker 4: We're doing our best. Wait wait, no, no, are we

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Speaker 4: cross talking? No? No, no, just barely. We're not cross

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Speaker 4: talking at all? Are you? Are you being serious? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Well, there's it's a it's a it's a conversation, and

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Speaker 2: it's conversation. Uh Noel Max, that that we might be interrupting.

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Speaker 2: I believe producer Dave is setting up a thing.

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Speaker 4: It's true. Carry on, sir Dave, were you setting up

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Speaker 4: a thing?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Sorry? Are you guys done?

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Speaker 9: It's back.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we keep talking. I keep talking over.

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Speaker 8: I tell you what is ridiculous. Six hosts in a

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Speaker 8: tiny little box going toe to toe in an attempt

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Speaker 8: to determine which show reigns supreme. This is not ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 8: It still may be a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 8: Heis and cons. We'll just have to see. This is

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Speaker 8: also not ridiculous history. Welcome everyone. What we have here

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Speaker 8: is something extra special, as the presence of all these

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Speaker 8: voices will attest. This is a little something we cooked

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Speaker 8: up called twenty Ridiculous Questions. It's kind of I don't know, Ben,

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Speaker 8: if you will allow me, it's the Ridiculous Beast with

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Speaker 8: two backs, the history back and the crime back.

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Speaker 4: Ew. I don't know how that third thing some sort

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Speaker 4: of hybrid of all that that's also somehow really sticky.

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Speaker 8: Before I continue, let's do introductions. So from Team Ridiculous

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Speaker 8: History we have Ben Bolin, Noel Brown, and Max Williams.

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Speaker 8: Welcome one and all. How are we all doing today?

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Speaker 4: Anyway?

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Speaker 8: Any want to give any speeches, any last words.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of Ridiculous Crime and want to

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Speaker 2: shout out that show in particular, which may be somewhat redundant.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not backing down from it fan, all right.

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Speaker 8: And from Team Ridiculous Crime we have Zarn Burnett, Elizabeth Dutton,

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Speaker 8: Emmy KG. Hello, what's the what's the KG?

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Speaker 4: Dave?

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Speaker 8: Oh? That's uh what? Kyle Gass from TENACIOUSD. He always

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Speaker 8: says me, KG.

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Speaker 5: It's me KG sucking up on them toes.

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Speaker 8: That's you got it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 9: Doing some push boyfriend? It sucks toes.

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Speaker 8: Finally, here's the twenty twenty four now Friends. As far

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Speaker 8: as the game, the game Friends is Pistols at Dawn,

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Speaker 8: Well Ben Ben wanted pistols at dawn. Zaren wanted calculating

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Speaker 8: pie to the most decimal places. That's right, No, I

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Speaker 8: think you wanted Bakara. I don't even know what that is.

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Speaker 5: I don't either. You guys know how to play Mancola.

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Speaker 9: Used to play strip Mancola.

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Speaker 6: It's one of those games where I don't fully understand

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Speaker 8: Zeron, I knew that was you've made.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, right, you seen the video a while little while.

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Speaker 8: So, out of all these wonderful suggestions, we decided on

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Speaker 8: the game of twenty questions. More specifically, this is going

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Speaker 8: to be a game of twenty questions about historical flexes. Now,

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Speaker 8: keep me honest here. A historical flex is when someone

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Speaker 8: of a bold move, something that wasn't required in their position,

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Speaker 8: and that maybe it brought on consequences. Is that accurate or.

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Speaker 6: Perhaps an absurdly ostentatious display of disgusting wealth.

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Speaker 9: Right now, Monte Usa style.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, sir, yeah, see cloud outless moments.

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Speaker 6: We've actually done this a different version of this with

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Speaker 6: brought I think one of my favorite historical flexes, which

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Speaker 10: That's disgusting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a flex may be not necessarily imbued with some

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm going to write it. Then I'm going to

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Speaker 6: Darwin also a big foot fetish guy, little little known

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Speaker 4: Yeah, indeed, real Maverick.

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Speaker 8: Anyone here, a big twenty questions player anyway, like got

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Speaker 9: Oh, I played it on my phone against friends.

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Speaker 2: Most of my friends, President Company excluded, are incredibly sketchy,

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 8: As far as where the game comes from, there's some

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Speaker 6: So for Dice like a street name because he carried

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Speaker 2: It was like his ancestors street normalized into a middle.

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Speaker 4: Name, just a name. Yeah, okay, fair enough.

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Speaker 8: So then you fast forward like twenty years later, it

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Speaker 8: like wildfire. It even became a very popular quiz show

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Speaker 8: in nineteen forty nine. Unfortunately, so none of you can cheat.

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Speaker 8: Most of the episodes were lost when the studios wipe

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Speaker 8: is outrageous, right, Like, so many beautiful live recordings have

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Speaker 10: Way, so many questions.

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Speaker 6: Was this the era of the Great Quiz Show scandals

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Speaker 4: I wonder if A. J. Jacobs is a fan of

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Speaker 4: this game. I'm sure imagine. Yeah, he probably has a

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Speaker 4: book about it. Yeah, probably way better than anything you

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Speaker 10: We have like rules regulations for this or is this

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Speaker 8: Let's set some ground rules, all right, So the teams

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Speaker 8: are pretty clear, right. This is head to head, ridiculous

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Speaker 8: will be kept just between those two entities. So ridiculous

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Speaker 8: crime versus ridiculous history. Each of us will take a

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Speaker 8: superposed right now, signify flex That person takes a historical

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Speaker 8: to twenty questions. The questions can be yes or no questions,

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Speaker 8: and acceptable answers are yes, no, I don't know, maybe,

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Speaker 8: a different kind of question.

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Speaker 5: Any questions, is there a flexi or just a flex or?

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Speaker 10: I think that the questioners are the flexi, yes.

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Speaker 5: The question yeah, just getting the term straight. I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Is there a time limit for the twenty questions.

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Speaker 10: Well, I mean we don't want to be here.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, my next birthday next?

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Speaker 8: Okay, Zara, what is your next birthday?

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Speaker 10: Time?

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Speaker 9: August?

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Speaker 4: But you know hey same yeah, same shout out.

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Speaker 9: Okay, good summer babies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So then we can we can just feel

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Speaker 8: Take the journey with me.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I want you to live your truth.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys will be first. Dave, you want to

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right. So the way this will go is

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Speaker 8: ask questions. So, starting with me, we're going to start

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Speaker 8: the invisible clock that doesn't exist. Go ahead and guess

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Speaker 8: the historical flex I have in mind.

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Speaker 2: Question one? Is this person alive?

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Speaker 4: Now? No? Okay?

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Speaker 5: Was this person elected to some political office?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Was this person born in America? United States for America?

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Speaker 8: Yes, So that's three.

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Speaker 4: That puts us.

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Speaker 2: That puts us three questions, three questions. Yeah, keeping count

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Speaker 4: Eric?

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Speaker 2: Okay, uh, did this person have siblings.

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Speaker 8: Uh, good question. I am gonna need to check my

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Speaker 6: Well, I would argue that if you don't know, they

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Speaker 8: Yeah, no, they do not.

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Speaker 5: Was this person known for killing someone?

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Speaker 9: Nice? Shorthand? Uh no?

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Speaker 5: Why did you have to pause? You think that would

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Speaker 5: be a definitive yes?

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Speaker 4: Or no? Alright? Max has got one, Mexic got one.

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Speaker 4: I don't have one. I'm counting the number.

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Speaker 9: I got the question. You can think we want your question?

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Speaker 9: I got the number.

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Speaker 4: Are we are we allowed to discuss amongst our.

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Speaker 8: Conversation?

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Speaker 4: That doesn't count as question six.

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Speaker 9: Though, No, you get to ask questions.

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Speaker 8: That's five more questions.

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Speaker 4: Genie rules, y'all for another wish alignment? All right, what

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Speaker 4: you got?

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Speaker 1: Then?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking, okay, so is this person known for

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Speaker 2: a single historic act?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 4: Right, no guice? Sorry?

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Speaker 5: Was this person in uh films?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds?

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Speaker 8: The nineteen hundreds?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Okay, I'll even give you the date, nineteen fifteen.

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Speaker 6: Okay, okay, Charlie Chaplin, no is that?

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Speaker 4: Sorry?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 4: No, no, they're letting us back because I was thinking

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Speaker 4: the same thing. Okay.

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Speaker 12: Uh so.

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Speaker 2: Is this person well known today?

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Speaker 9: Yes, so we're calling that your ninth question. If that

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Speaker 9: if Knowles was reeled back, Okay, it was really good,

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Speaker 9: Thank you, very gracious.

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Speaker 6: Is this person mainly known for being a star of film?

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Speaker 8: It's a tough call. I'm gonna say no.

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Speaker 4: Oh sho, Okay, is this.

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Speaker 2: Uh uh? Keeping a Does this person identify mail?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 8: Did since they were deceased?

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Speaker 4: Did since they were dead? Okay? Did the person? Oh?

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Speaker 5: Sorry, sorry, Max, you got to give us one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, internal discussion. Is it Howard Hughes?

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Speaker 4: So let's see, it's not what well, so it's not filmed.

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Speaker 5: They were in film though you said they were in films.

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Speaker 11: And it put us and put us somewhere like this.

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Speaker 11: I looked up Humphrey Bogart. That was eighteen hundred and.

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Speaker 2: No, but he said it was looking stuff up.

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Speaker 4: Where was that? That was? No?

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Speaker 5: Phones? Phones, phones faced down?

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Speaker 4: We are we are a show built around research. I

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Speaker 4: researched it.

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Speaker 6: Was Yeah, but from run Dave said that this person

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Speaker 6: is not known exclusively for being a film stars, so

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Speaker 6: it wouldn't be a Bogart type figure. Howard Hughes type

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Speaker 6: figure is interesting, but he wasn't in films he just directed.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I got which, by the way, I didn't

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Speaker 9: know at all until I watched The Aviator for the

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Speaker 9: first time recently, which is a very good film. Okay,

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Speaker 9: he was an innovator of films, like, he.

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Speaker 5: Really did all kinds of crazy stuff, and he was

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Speaker 5: articulously clean.

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Speaker 8: For a while, like tissue boxes.

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Speaker 9: And a lot of jars.

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Speaker 2: Okay, was this male historical figure also active in the

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Speaker 2: world of music?

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Speaker 8: Yes, that's question twelve.

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Speaker 4: Okay, question twelve, thank you? All right?

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Speaker 2: So, yes, so I'm thinking then, was this person someone

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Speaker 2: with ties to organized crime?

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Speaker 4: Question thirteen reputedlyted.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we got seven questions left you guys, Oh oh yeah, Max, ask.

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Speaker 4: Is this person Frank Sinatra? Yes?

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Speaker 9: Questions maximum?

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Speaker 4: I came is fun y'all? Wow, Okay, we haven't guessed

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Speaker 4: the flex.

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Speaker 8: Yes, So for an unnamed amount of additional points, can

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Speaker 8: you guess the flex that I have in mind right now?

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Speaker 4: That's how life was kind of a flex. That guy

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Speaker 4: was time super problematic flexes too.

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Speaker 6: Let's see, I don't know if I know of one

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Speaker 6: that I would have associate with the idea of what

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Speaker 6: we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: Word winging musician street name Old Blue Eyes.

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Speaker 6: Is it something to do with with with with like

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Speaker 6: luxury type of situation?

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Speaker 8: We're no longer in twenty questions?

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Speaker 4: How can we? How can we? Possibly? We just have

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Speaker 4: to know everything about.

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Speaker 10: I guess, take a guess.

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Speaker 11: It's sort of like, did he have a freakishly large

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Speaker 11: penis that he needed additional space.

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Speaker 4: In his pants? So nan, what better guess do y'all have?

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Speaker 2: Was he was he involved in some sort of government operation?

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Speaker 8: I don't know, but that is not the flex.

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Speaker 5: That wouldn't be as.

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Speaker 4: We just want to hear it. We don't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: what's the flex?

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Speaker 8: The flex is Francis Albert Sinatra did his own stunts

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Speaker 8: and Mentorian Candidate, and as a result either broke his

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Speaker 8: hand or his wrist, and then he couldn't play Dirty

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Speaker 8: Harry Harry Callahan in the Dirty Harry movies.

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Speaker 6: What, Yeah, I didn't know he was in the Manchurian Candidate.

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Speaker 6: I never think of Sinatra as being an actor at all.

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Speaker 9: Really, Yeah, Also a bunch of movies he wanted Academy

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Speaker 9: War actors.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, isn't it funny how sometimes you can just really

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Speaker 6: have like a blind spot for like certain things. I mean,

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Speaker 6: you know, we we researched and talk about stuff like

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Speaker 6: this all the time, and I just zero awareness that

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Speaker 6: Sinatra was in movies.

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Speaker 2: I also propose a port banteau if we're if we're interested,

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Speaker 2: this is a flex had consequences for Old Blue Eyes.

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Speaker 2: So what if we call that a flex sequence?

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Speaker 8: Nice, very flexoquent. Yeah, a little bit more color. So

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Speaker 8: if you've seen the movie, Uh, he smashes his hand

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Speaker 8: onto a table, and that was really him smashing his

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Speaker 8: hand onto a table. Nancy Sinatra says he broke his finger.

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Speaker 8: Other sources say he broke his wrist, but they all

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Speaker 8: agree that it never healed right. And so he was

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Speaker 8: actually attached to the first Dirty Harry movie for six months.

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Speaker 8: And he gets in and they show him the three

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Speaker 8: fifty seven magnum and he picks it up.

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Speaker 9: A big gun man.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and he says, and Zaren will do a better

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Speaker 8: Old Blue Eye than me, but he's like, I'm afraid

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Speaker 8: it's a little too big for my hands. I did

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Speaker 8: find a quote from Eastwood to confirming this, because I

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Speaker 8: wanted to make sure this wasn't a bunch of bs.

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Speaker 8: Eastwood said, I was in post production on play Misty

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Speaker 8: for me, and they called up and asked, are you

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Speaker 8: still interested in Dirty Harry? Eastwood recalled, I said, what

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Speaker 8: happened to Frank Sinatra? And they said, Frank Sinatra's got

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Speaker 8: some problem with his hand and he can't hold a gun.

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Speaker 8: That sounded like a pretty lame excuse, but it didn't

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Speaker 8: matter to me. I said, I'll do it. But since

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Speaker 8: they had initially talked to me, there had been all

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Speaker 8: these rewrites. I said, I'm only interested in the original script, a.

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Speaker 5: Cloud that's a flex in and of itself.

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Speaker 6: I actually saw Dirty Harry for the first time recently

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Speaker 6: and again Blind Spot. I had no idea how tied

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Speaker 6: to the Zodiac Killer. Yeah, it's sort of featured in

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Speaker 6: Zodiac in the Fincher movie. They go to like the

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Speaker 6: premiere and then some of the detectives are like, guys,

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Speaker 6: it's over.

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Speaker 4: They already made the movie about it.

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Speaker 10: Well, And there was some talk in the local, like

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Speaker 10: for more communications because there had been a gap.

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Speaker 6: Oh you guys are in Zodiac country.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I am.

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Speaker 8: And when Sinatra couldn't do it, they're really scrambling and

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Speaker 8: so Yeah. A couple other actors turned it down because

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Speaker 8: it was like all too weird and conservative for them.

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Speaker 8: Like Steve McQueen was also approached for it, and he

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Speaker 8: was like, I already did a detective movie and this

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Speaker 8: is doesn't fit with my with my feels.

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Speaker 10: Can you imagine the Steve McQueen dirty Harry movie.

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Speaker 4: Can you imagine a Frank Sinatra.

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Speaker 2: A part of me is now always going to be

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Speaker 2: a little bit imagining the Steve McQueen.

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Speaker 10: Dirty Oh yeah, totally.

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Speaker 4: I'm just sharing that now.

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Speaker 5: I need to see Bullet. Have you guys seen Ball?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a couple of years ago on the big screen.

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Speaker 9: Yes, one of my favorite movies of all time.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it was amazing, the chase scene on a big screen.

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Speaker 9: The sound is engine.

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Speaker 10: If you ever see it playing like at an art

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Speaker 10: house theater near.

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Speaker 9: You go watch it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, really like Drive.

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Speaker 5: So I think Drive was highly inspired by Oh yes, oh.

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Speaker 9: Yes, pretty much every car chase since nineteen sixty nine

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Speaker 9: has been inspired by Bullet.

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Speaker 4: Too true, Too true.

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Speaker 2: We also we did not get our wild card point

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Speaker 2: for people playing a log at home. We had check

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Speaker 2: me Yar's eron. It took us fourteen of our twenty

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Speaker 2: questions to yeah to nail Nail Old Blue Eyes aka

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Speaker 2: frank A. Sinatra, for a grand total of if you

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Speaker 2: could get a drum roll one point, Paul.

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Speaker 10: I do want to point out that I, you know,

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Speaker 10: was suggested that maybe half a point if you if

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Speaker 10: you guess, and then I was like, I just no rules.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just whatever be rewarded for guessing and fewer questions.

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Speaker 10: That just feels, you know, well, we can start where

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Speaker 10: everyone starts with negative twins.

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Speaker 9: More emotional badge of pride. It's like you can just

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Speaker 9: collect like, you know, we got ours and fourteen took

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Speaker 9: you guys nine.

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Speaker 10: Well maybe the team with the lowest number gets an

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Speaker 10: extra point at the end for that having that that

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Speaker 10: low score, low questions.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's up to your discretion. You could give five

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Speaker 8: hundred points.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we can also just m p r p rrit

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Speaker 2: and just you know, sort of like wait, wait, don't

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Speaker 2: tell me, just kind of have a good time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Zaren, will you will you?

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Speaker 6: Will you leave an outgoing message on my answering machine.

449
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,360
Speaker 8: I just got a text. It's from sponsors. They want

450
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 8: us to take a break.

451
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, Like as people are as a show

452
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: just both.

453
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 8: Yeah, they said, hang it up, this isn't working, so

454
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 8: let's do that. And when we get back, we will

455
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 8: have been as the next flexer.

456
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: And we have returned. Folks, as always, thank you for

457
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 2: joining us. This is this is round two. We're in

458
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: the Luminaries of Ridiculous Crime. We'll have twenty questions to

459
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: guess an historical flexer, and perhaps indeed they're flex Now.

460
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, there's a weird one because you

461
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 2: guys are experts, so I couldn't make it like too

462
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: too easy. I'll start off by saying it is not carot.

463
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 8: Top Oh, okay, scratching out for your yeah.

464
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 9: Oh, let's see for a first question, Elizabeth, you like

465
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 9: to the first ones? All right? The first question is

466
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 9: is the was this person an American?

467
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 4: Uh? Yes, lived in America, lived in America.

468
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 10: Gentle phrasing there.

469
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 4: Okay, Uh, I'm very mpr with these.

470
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 10: Was this person alive to see baseball?

471
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 5: Yes?

472
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 6: Like professional baseball or just like stickball in the alley.

473
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: Some some form of baseball? What about plastic? Give me

474
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 2: give me just a second on that one. Let me

475
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 2: go back through my notes. That's a good question. I

476
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: got to learn more about plastic. Uh, I'm going to say, no,

477
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: not called the grastic the way we know it.

478
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, okay too.

479
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 10: Well, if we're talking about.

480
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 9: Plastics, are basically World War two, so being yeah, this

481
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 9: person is stayed between the eighth nineteen nineteenth century and

482
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 9: up to nineteen thirties.

483
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 10: Well, vaccolate was early that.

484
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's the beginning of plastics.

485
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 8: So we ask about wealth.

486
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Da you got a shot, dave?

487
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 8: Uh did the I don't want to I don't want

488
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 8: to throw away my shot? Was this person part of

489
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 8: the elite wealth class?

490
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 2: No?

491
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 9: Okay? Was this person born in Europe?

492
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 4: Yes?

493
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 10: Born in Europe? American citizen ballpark range of no, pun enchanted?

494
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 10: What years?

495
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 9: What we say we don't have a front end, we'd

496
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 9: have a back end. Was this was this person alive

497
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 9: before the camera? It was invented in eighteen thirty nine?

498
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, okay?

499
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 9: Was this person they lived a long time? If they

500
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 9: made it to plastic, right they didn't? Oh so plastic?

501
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 4: Oh so they did plastic as we know on the

502
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 4: other side.

503
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 10: Oh okay, okay, okay. Was this person famous for their knowledge?

504
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 4: Could you be more specific.

505
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 10: Was this person a scientist?

506
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 4: No?

507
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 8: No, Was this person a military leader?

508
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 4: Also?

509
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 12: No?

510
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 9: Was this person a woman?

511
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 4: Yes? M so this will be questioned, ted, yes, correct.

512
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 8: We have nine so far and we have I've got

513
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 8: a naw down to two people, so this should be easy.

514
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 4: Nice.

515
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 10: Was this person controversial in her day?

516
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 4: Yes? Yeah, that was a good one.

517
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 10: Uh zerend have a question?

518
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 9: Was this was this woman associated with a political movement?

519
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna not really No, no, Noel, Max, Would you

520
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: guys be comfortable say no on that one? Just to

521
00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: check me here?

522
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I would be comfortable. I forgot who who?

523
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: You have? So? Great? Great?

524
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 10: But whatever it is, sure this is this is a

525
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 10: peculiar one.

526
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 9: We've got nine guesses left.

527
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 10: Okay, so what with our parameters we're talking about a

528
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 10: woman born.

529
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 9: In Europe becomes an American? Was alive in the nineteenth century?

530
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 10: Controversial but controversial? Was this person an entertainer?

531
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 4: No?

532
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is to be clear, this is

533
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 2: a bit of a tough one. So one hint I

534
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: would give you is this is an excellent subject for

535
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 2: an episode of something like Ridiculous Crime.

536
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 4: Slightly deep cut.

537
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 9: Figure, deep cut figure criminal pop possibly or overlapping with crime.

538
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 10: I am having a how many questions.

539
00:29:59,280 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 4: Have we had so far?

540
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 9: When we've done twelve questions? Thirteenth question?

541
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, what about asking about whether they were convicted of

542
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 8: federal charges?

543
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 9: There you go?

544
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 10: Or any charges federal or state.

545
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: That?

546
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, yes, uh convicted And I'll help you out

547
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 2: here because this is a tough one convicted and then

548
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: ultimately fled the US.

549
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 9: Hm hmm.

550
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 10: I'm having a hard time on this one. This is

551
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 10: very Was this.

552
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 9: Person married to a fame anybody famous or that we

553
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 9: would know by name?

554
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

555
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: No, she's sort of the protagonist I think of her story.

556
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 10: Okay, not an entertainer.

557
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 9: Did this person do any violence in their lifetime? Any

558
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 9: like notable violence?

559
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: I would say ordered it? Yes, yes, but not directly

560
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 4: perhaps right?

561
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 5: That should be a decent hint. What kind of figures

562
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: order of violence?

563
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 9: So mob boss, crime figure?

564
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 10: Like?

565
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 9: You know?

566
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 10: Well, I'm still I have a guess and one of

567
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 10: the questions knocked my guess out, but I'm still it

568
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 10: lines up. And do you know if it's someone that

569
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 10: we've talked about on Ridiculous Crime?

570
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: Is that a question?

571
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: I looked, I looked, but I'm not sure we can

572
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: count that.

573
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 4: We can count that as a procedural.

574
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 10: One five questions left.

575
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: And also, by the way, already got a half point

576
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: with mob boss because it's a tough one.

577
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: Oh so mob okay, since I can just give away,

578
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: you gave you the birth year of Frank Sinatra, so

579
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: that was helpful.

580
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 9: Let's see Mob boss women ordered hits and had to

581
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 9: leave America.

582
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 10: So are we guessing Italian, Russian, Cuban?

583
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, Colombian said they were born in Europe.

584
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this is that was just a really cool

585
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: as of r moment.

586
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: I've got the tangles.

587
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 10: Okay, so I'm thinking, okay, possibly Italian. Yeah, I mean,

588
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 10: no offense, not to paint with a broad brush.

589
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 9: Of course. But then also we have to keep in

590
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 9: mind that there were a lot of British and French

591
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 9: criminals who would have Mob qualified as mob Yeah.

592
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, mob might be a little broad could Irish?

593
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 10: British?

594
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe like gang boss gang boss.

595
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 9: So let's think famous or semi famous gang bosses of

596
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 9: the nineteenth century.

597
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 10: Who were born in You're born in America.

598
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 9: I went back, God, did this woman have sons?

599
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 4: Oh? I believe there was some family.

600
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 9: Like the son's part of her legend, Like the sons

601
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 9: are important to who she.

602
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: Was, the sons are not part of Okay, where you're

603
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: going for left? Yeah?

604
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, so she committed, she orders a crime, orders crimes done,

605
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 10: and then has to flee back to Europe. And we're

606
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 10: talking about the century.

607
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: It's gonna be.

608
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 9: Russian, like a white Russian who knows, I mean said

609
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 9: it was difficult. So yeah, I'm thinking British is my

610
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 9: I'm leaning more British than anything.

611
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 12: Yeah.

612
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, not to be a wet blanket, but I would

613
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 6: argue that if you can't think of the person now,

614
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 6: you might not know the name off the top of

615
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 6: your head.

616
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 4: Question.

617
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 10: I thought it would be Dave.

618
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 9: You got any want to we want to pair it

619
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 9: down a little bit. We got four questions.

620
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 8: Let's see. I would say, you know, I don't have

621
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 8: good guesses, so it's I'm just like, yeah, it's like parameters, like.

622
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 10: I hmm, all right.

623
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 9: The people the person that she allegedly ordered stuff done too?

624
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 9: Were they also famous? Would we know them?

625
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 4: Uh?

626
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: They would often be h some of the uh, some

627
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 2: of the better off people in New York.

628
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 10: Can I take a swing at this?

629
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 8: Sure?

630
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 10: Is it Emma Goldman, Oh no, it is not. The

631
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 10: Only thing that doesn't.

632
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 9: Fit is the ordering violence.

633
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,919
Speaker 10: No, she that was her whole thing.

634
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 4: She ordered violence.

635
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 10: The only thing that doesn't fit is gang. And I thought, well,

636
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 10: if you talk about.

637
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 9: I mean, she didn't she instructed and urged violence, but

638
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 9: I don't think she ordered. She did not directly to me.

639
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 9: She didn't tell like, hey, Steve, come over here, hit

640
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 9: that persons were like, go to their door, knock.

641
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 10: On their door. When she had them after the Mill people,

642
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 10: she specifically had Okay, all.

643
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 9: Right, I'll give you that.

644
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 8: It's the game within a game, you know what.

645
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 2: You know what I'd like to do if the group

646
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: is okay with it, I would like to say, Emma Goldman,

647
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: is such such an astute, wonderful answer. It is not

648
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 2: in fact this person, but this person is again a

649
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 2: very difficult uh bit of a deep cut.

650
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: Uh.

651
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and give the full point,

652
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 2: just because this one was so tough.

653
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 4: And your guess is.

654
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 9: I don't know, we got to guesses.

655
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 13: Well, all right, mob, but gang gang I think also

656
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 13: because I'm a Goldman, I would say it was associated

657
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 13: with political movies.

658
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 9: That's why I asked that question. Yeah, I think like

659
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 9: who'd be like union movements that aren't political or like.

660
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 10: Labor there and everything's political.

661
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 9: Elephants, right, you know.

662
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 10: Forty Elephants were totally a gang, but they're not totally

663
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 10: and they weren't never in the US.

664
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 9: I'm saying, but that type of mob boss would be

665
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 9: something yea. So we got two guesses. Came in America,

666
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 9: probably in New York. They were in New York trying

667
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 9: to do violence. So who and who are the New

668
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 9: York we got like Queenie, We've got.

669
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 10: Uh, well, if you're talking about gangs before the twenty

670
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 10: and gangs in those times were pretty much relegated to

671
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 10: cultural groups, nationality.

672
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 6: We're almost like a Fagin type figure, you know, background

673
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 6: in like textiles, ran the shop from like kind of

674
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 6: like a you know, ran the business, the illegal business from.

675
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: All right, I got one?

676
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 9: Was it Sadie the Goat Faral Sadie Farre Sadi the

677
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 9: Goat Farrell.

678
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 4: I don't know, no, no, but I'm loving it. Question

679
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 4: my team.

680
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 9: I don't know, guys, all right, we got we got

681
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 9: one last guest who wants to take it?

682
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 3: Dave?

683
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 9: You feeling hot? Elizabeth?

684
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 8: I got kissed.

685
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't have anything for this one.

686
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 8: Was it Rose? Was her first name Rose?

687
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: No, but I like that shot from half court.

688
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 9: We can see this one, you.

689
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: Got it is a pretty good old lady name.

690
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: Though half point because this was so tough and because purely,

691
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 2: fellow ridiculous listeners at home at half point, purely because

692
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: of the absolute top notch caliber of questions here. The

693
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 2: person we were looking for was someone named marm Mandlebomb.

694
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 2: Frederica marm Mandlebomb. I'm doing trivia voice there, sorry, but

695
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: but so uh Mandelbaum Mandelbaum. It's very interesting that history

696
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: has largely forgotten this quite successful criminal she.

697
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 9: Ran.

698
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: She ran one of New York's biggest fencing operations, like

699
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: from eighteen sixty two to eighteen sixty four. She was

700
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: also she had other gangs that she was fighting with,

701
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 2: but she was helping coordinate things like the Ocean National

702
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 2: Bank robbery. She was also she was born in Germany.

703
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: We don't know too much about her early life because, surprise, surprise.

704
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: She was a little bit sketchy. She made it.

705
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 2: She made it to the US with her family or

706
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: with her husband, Wolf Mandelbaum, who he's kind of both

707
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: as sort of a milk toast in this story. But

708
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 2: she gets there. She gets to the US in eighteen

709
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: fifty and she has a dry goods store, so she

710
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 2: has a legitimate operation and as a small business owner,

711
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 2: she has the opportunity to turn stuff around. Part of

712
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: the reason why pow Noel is saying she's a fake

713
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: and esque character is because she started a school she

714
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: institutionalized teaching kids how to be ne'er do wells at

715
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: her pickpocket pocket.

716
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 8: So no murder.

717
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,240
Speaker 4: Involved with her, she did.

718
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: She dead end up being arrested, uh, because she just

719
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: got out of hand. She just blew up in the

720
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 2: big Apple so much that eventually, you know, the New

721
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 2: York District Attorney was like, hey, we got a high the.

722
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 4: Pinkitons my goodness. Yeah.

723
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: So she gets released on bail after she's arrested with

724
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 2: your points Aaron, her son's her son Julius, and then

725
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: another guy's working for named Herman. Once she gets released

726
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: on bail, she does exactly what everybody thought she would do.

727
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: She high tails it out of the United States. She

728
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: skidaddles with one million dollars in eighteen eighty four and

729
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: settles in Hamilton, Ontario shout out to your reference about

730
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: throwing away the shot Dave, where she remains until she

731
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: passes away ten years later. So I think, as a

732
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: fan of ridiculous crime, I thought this would be like

733
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: a great episode.

734
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 10: Yeah, looking definitely definitely.

735
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 6: Ben would the would the Flex be the pickpocket School

736
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 6: or what would you?

737
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's so oh yes, thank you. The Flex

738
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: is the pickpocket School.

739
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 9: I love that she started basically an elementary school to

740
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 9: teach thieving and street crime. I mean she's like Mother Marshmallow,

741
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 9: but instead she just like, come under my dress and

742
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:49,479
Speaker 9: I will teach you crime and take care of your children.

743
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 9: Let's go, man man.

744
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 6: She was often referred to as mother, Mandel mom or Marma.

745
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and.

746
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 10: You guys haven't ever mentioned them on one of yours shows?

747
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,360
Speaker 10: Mentioned her on your shows?

748
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 13: Right?

749
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: We had a show called on our another show we

750
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 2: do called stuff they Don't Want you to Know. We

751
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 2: we explored, we explored her life and we sort of

752
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: put it under the umbrella of conspiracy. God did conspire

753
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: to start like oh yeah, crime elementary you.

754
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 10: Know, wow, wow, wow wow, that's amazing.

755
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 8: You know what I think this party could use. What's

756
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 8: that day some really good ads like oh she got

757
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 8: oh yeah, I got some in the oven.

758
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 4: Excellent flex those ads.

759
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 10: All right, guys, we're back twenty questions. So what's our score.

760
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 9: Now is I've got it as two to.

761
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 10: Half two to half okay.

762
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: Oh I thought I had it as one day.

763
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:54,839
Speaker 9: Because you beat us.

764
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's only one point.

765
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, and they got Frank Sinatra, so that's two points.

766
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 10: Yeah.

767
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 8: No, the Frank Sinatra is one. If they guessed his

768
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 8: flex that would have been another.

769
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, and then we did we did not get their answer, right,

770
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 9: so they get one point for that.

771
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 10: Yeah.

772
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 8: Oh, I have it as like you only get points

773
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 8: when you're thinking guessing.

774
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, they got they get points for Traditionally, twenty questions,

775
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 9: if you stump the person, you get a point. So

776
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 9: for stumping us they should get a point. I would say,

777
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,959
Speaker 9: so it would be two to half.

778
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 10: According to my we got the pity point five.

779
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, that he gave us the pinion.

780
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: It was not a pity point five.

781
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 9: We're trying to find a way to give it back,

782
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 9: but we appreciate it.

783
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 4: I like how. I also like how we're all out

784
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 4: nice in each other. Then try to give you all

785
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 4: a full point, and y'all said, no, we're not thinking

786
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: any sticking point, and then you settle for half that

787
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 4: on the record, right, Yeah, I mean if.

788
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 8: They wanted to profliget with points, sure, absolutely, Like what

789
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 8: are my main points?

790
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: Well, we we're all being nice now, but we may

791
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: encounter we may encounter quite a plot twist and turn,

792
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: depending on how Max Nol and I do.

793
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: In the next rou Oh yeah, it's going to get ugly.

794
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 10: All right. So I've got that, I've got this in

795
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 10: my head, and I am ready for questions.

796
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm counting questions here. Let's go with this.

797
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 2: Does this individual identify as male?

798
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 10: Yes?

799
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 6: Is it George Washington? I'm kidding, it doesn't count that

800
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: it was just a call back to President what?

801
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,760
Speaker 4: Okay? Was this person a elected official?

802
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 10: No?

803
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay. Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds?

804
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 10: Yes? No, sorry, I'm seeing nineteenth century.

805
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: Now, okay, okay, okay, okay, we know that now, okay.

806
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 2: Uh Is this person known for uh scientific breakthroughs?

807
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: No, it's this person a criminal?

808
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 12: Uh m hmm yeah yeah, okay, okay, okay, I'm going

809
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 12: to put yes, but with an audible are you keeping

810
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 12: a spreadsheet.

811
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 10: Then I do want to I do want to just

812
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 10: have one.

813
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 9: Cap ya, please qualify that all.

814
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 10: Of your questions have made one assumption that is dear,

815
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 10: but go ahead.

816
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 4: One assumption that is incorrect. This is a person? Yeah?

817
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: I think that would be because looking back through the rules.

818
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 9: Is that is that? Is that a question?

819
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 4: Max?

820
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 5: What could the assumption be?

821
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 10: Well, I don't know. I mean, I'm just I'm just

822
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 10: telling you is I think the assumption.

823
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 4: Is that that can they be not a person.

824
00:44:59,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 9: They could be historical.

825
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,399
Speaker 2: It could be they specifically put creature into the room.

826
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 10: And there's another assumption. Think you came in, you came

827
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 10: in with some implicit biases.

828
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, my mind is running wild.

829
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 5: Is is this uh figure a famous animal spy?

830
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 10: No?

831
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 13: Damn it?

832
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: I like you to do Okay, I should have just

833
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 4: asked if it was an is this figure a human being?

834
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: Will burn that one just to get a clear Great,

835
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 4: there we go.

836
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 9: So I have you guys had seven questions asked?

837
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 4: Yes, this will be our eighth question. So does that mean? Okay?

838
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 5: A criminal though a non human criminal.

839
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 4: They're like, don't we.

840
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 11: Have stories that are pasted about like goats and stuff

841
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 11: being arrested as like, we had an animal personhood episode,

842
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 11: which unfortunately I was also on vacation.

843
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 4: No help on that episode, just gone on that one.

844
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 11: But I remember we had that episode about all the

845
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,320
Speaker 11: animals that committed crimes?

846
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: Was this individual creature? Was this creature of mammal?

847
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 10: Yes?

848
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 9: Yes, probably?

849
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: Okay? Is this that elephant that got electrocuted? I was

850
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: thinking that Jumbo.

851
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 10: No, no, no.

852
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 9: You mean like by Edison, like when he went to edge.

853
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when he was trying to hype up the Yeah,

854
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: what a terrible guy that what dude.

855
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 5: Was how can an animal be a criminal?

856
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 9: Lots of ways?

857
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 6: No, yeah, an accomplice perhaps that's one way. Trained like

858
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 6: counted this internal convo, this internal discussion, U table, We're welcome.

859
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 6: Just feed us some good intel while you're in here.

860
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 5: Jesus.

861
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 9: They walk across the set and just stand there. I'm

862
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 9: on the Jenkins family.

863
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: Now there's another implicit assumption that we haven't tackled. There's

864
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: a second when we didn't get you guys, which is,

865
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: let's see a creatures.

866
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: So we got that aquatic that they actually.

867
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 8: Mammal it was on earth. I'll give you that hand, Jesus.

868
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: Water water dwelling.

869
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 10: Oh is that your question? Yeah, it is not a

870
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 10: water dwelling.

871
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 5: Not not a water not.

872
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 10: A water dweller.

873
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 6: That's question ted land mammal, So what do we got here?

874
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 6: What what kind of land mammals are capable of doing?

875
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 4: Cron So we have I'll pack the list, name them all.

876
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 11: She sure, Yeah, we can ask if we could ask it.

877
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 11: So this is just amongst us. If it's a New

878
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 11: world or an old world monkey.

879
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 4: The term new world's kind of problem. Yeah, so I

880
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 4: can't pay, We won't ask that.

881
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 6: I'm picturing the murderous ape from that Edgar Allan post

882
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 6: or murders in the room wort spoiler alert it was

883
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 6: an ape.

884
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 4: For some reason, I just had I've had a dog

885
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 4: in my head this entire time.

886
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 2: But yeah, oh okay, yeah, let's just let's burn a couple.

887
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 2: Getting closer to the type of animal.

888
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 4: Is it a primate?

889
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 10: No?

890
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 2: No, all right, helpful, it's not a Pepperino elephants?

891
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 9: Did you say Pepperino? Is that a question?

892
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 4: Pepperino a dog?

893
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 3: Yes?

894
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, it is?

895
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, how many questions?

896
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 9: We're at? Twelve? Will be you have thirteen? Yeah, thirteenth coming.

897
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 5: Wasn't there a dead dog that was shot into space?

898
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 4: Yes, that's way different. Is way different?

899
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 9: Well, this is eighteen hundreds, and technically that's not across

900
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 9: crime was done. It was a victage like it was

901
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 9: that was just trespassing in space.

902
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 11: So it's a dog that did some sort of crime.

903
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 11: But we also have an assumption that we are forgetting

904
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 11: about that.

905
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 10: I can't remember an additional assumption that.

906
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 4: We have not address.

907
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 9: Yeah, I got it. I got him down on like

908
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 9: a fourteen.

909
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: Ah, that's all right, fine, even though we we established

910
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: it was the eighteen n.

911
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 5: But there's nothing just screaming to mind right now?

912
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 4: Is it?

913
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 10: Do you want to hint?

914
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 8: I think we should get me.

915
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:50,240
Speaker 10: Yeah, you have mentioned my flexer on your show. Whoa wow,

916
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 10: the words have passed your lips.

917
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 9: So you guys have said this out loud?

918
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: Is this? Uh? Wait?

919
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: No conversation personal? Did we already ask about America?

920
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 3: Uh?

921
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think did we?

922
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 9: I don't know.

923
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 4: I'm totally down to pull up our comprehensive meta sheet. Right,

924
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 4: we're not doing that? Okay, No, I won't tell you

925
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,479
Speaker 4: that I'm doing it. No, you already don't.

926
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 5: Don't don't don't be like it's not funny.

927
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 4: It so much more fun.

928
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 6: We did notablished it was America European.

929
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 5: We established that then I feel like we did. We

930
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: should remember, we don't remember were useless.

931
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 4: We did not.

932
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: The reason we feel like we established America is because

933
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: we we had that quick question on George Washington words, yes, picturing.

934
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,439
Speaker 4: A European dog for some reason. Is it a vegetable dog?

935
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 9: What's vegetable dog?

936
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 10: Like a dog traumatic brain injury?

937
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,240
Speaker 2: Like so like the it's a it's a terrible practice

938
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 2: where they had to where they made dogs live, turning

939
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: spits to cook meat.

940
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,359
Speaker 9: No, no, no, it's not a vegetable dog.

941
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 10: No, I'm going to charge you two questions?

942
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 9: Oh I did I as fourteen questions? You've got six lefts.

943
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 8: You just walk around with your brain, all right, So what's.

944
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 9: Your fifteenth guess?

945
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 4: I am hitting over.

946
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 11: We had that episode, guys, with that two part episode

947
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 11: we did about hero animals.

948
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 5: But this is a criminal who criminal?

949
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 9: Why can't a criminal and a hero be the same person?

950
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 9: Episodes or hero Robin is a criminal who is a hero?

951
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 9: I mean what I'm saying.

952
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, same with Cara Top.

953
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 11: Unfortunately for that episode all I can remember is the

954
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 11: hero cats. So I'm no help here.

955
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 9: Oh you were really good, but I didn't.

956
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 10: I didn't answer that question. What I'm saying, Ben.

957
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 9: You got anything hand up?

958
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 4: Was this? Was this?

959
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 13: Uh?

960
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: Was this unfortunate dogg o arrested by political authorities?

961
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 10: Yes? Although political what do you mean define political authority?

962
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 10: Like elected officials or like I would.

963
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 9: Say, I just go with they were elected, they were

964
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 9: arrested by the authority. Yes, in the traditional sense of

965
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 9: what we would assume that means. Yeah, I just I

966
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 9: have no idea because.

967
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 4: I was thinking, no, Max, I was thinking, was.

968
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 2: It ecclesiastical authorities or something like that?

969
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 9: No, this is not an excommunicated dog.

970
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 3: Now.

971
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 4: Was this like a Joan of archetype dog? Yeah, heretic dog.

972
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

973
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna say, I'm pretty certain it's one of

974
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 11: the animals we talked about in that two part episode.

975
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 9: Is probably where do you want to ask?

976
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 10: That is a question.

977
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 4: This is internal, intermpletely.

978
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 9: Comfortable.

979
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 4: We got a chair for you.

980
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 9: This is sorry, Sorry, what am I doing? So dave

981
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 9: me back.

982
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 11: Unfortunately, I can't remember all the animals we talked about.

983
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 11: I remember our whole second part was just about that

984
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 11: cat that lived on the boat.

985
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 4: That I don't know right now. Well, no, I'm talking

986
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 4: about the whole episode. Yes, okay, okay.

987
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 10: Well that's not the episode. Save you some time.

988
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: That is actually very wonderful. Thank you.

989
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 10: You're very welcome.

990
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 6: Okay, I got nothing, guys, And also with you more questions,

991
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,240
Speaker 6: many more questions to week five questions.

992
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 4: We have five. I'm burned one right now.

993
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 11: Was I the producer of Ridiculous History when we talked

994
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:46,720
Speaker 11: about this animal? Oh, because it would be April twenty

995
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 11: one when it became twenty one twenty one.

996
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 10: Yes, yeah, Max, you were the producer.

997
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 9: Okay, four questions?

998
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,439
Speaker 4: Okay, that gives us down to three hundred episodes. Wow

999
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 4: all the time, barks all right.

1000
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 6: I don't know, guys. I don't want to burn any

1001
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 6: more questions. I feel like I think dogs.

1002
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 9: Dogs. You guys know dogs. You like dogs that impress you?

1003
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 4: Dogs.

1004
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 9: I like your fear.

1005
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 4: That's a problem. I like every dog.

1006
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,319
Speaker 9: Sorry, am I you're not helping. I like every dog.

1007
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 9: I bet they moved the table this time?

1008
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:23,879
Speaker 4: Is it?

1009
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: No? Because Noel, you already asked about Spike or trade craft.

1010
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 4: I did. Yeah, never mind, I'm cursing.

1011
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 6: Now, I'm pounding my fists on my desk.

1012
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 4: Very quiet.

1013
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:41,359
Speaker 9: He's going to get another part.

1014
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Guys, do you want to do

1015
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 2: you want to call it? I feel like our guesses

1016
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 2: are good.

1017
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: Guys. Let's throw some hell.

1018
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 10: Man feel too bad about being obscure, seeing as how

1019
00:54:58,320 --> 00:54:59,760
Speaker 10: you've said it before.

1020
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 5: No, No, that's fair, that's fair.

1021
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 6: Would this dog be considered after the actions that took

1022
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 6: place some sort of like political symbol?

1023
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 4: That is our question?

1024
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 10: Seventeen kind not really kind of okay, cultural a cultural symbol.

1025
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 11: Did this dog commit crimes against a baby?

1026
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: Wow?

1027
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 10: I want that on a shirt and.

1028
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 9: I want to know how that could be a hero

1029
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 9: and a criminal.

1030
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 8: But stop that baby?

1031
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 4: Okay, I know there was a dog that did something

1032
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 4: wrong to a baby.

1033
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 10: Crimes against a human baby?

1034
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 9: Oh wow?

1035
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 4: Geez?

1036
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 9: All right, you got two more?

1037
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, two more?

1038
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: Was this dog the subject of a widespread cultural panic?

1039
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 4: No?

1040
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 9: No, I got one. Last one. I'll get I'll give

1041
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 9: you one hind.

1042
00:55:57,719 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 10: Question.

1043
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 8: Was this dog in the band widespread panic?

1044
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:02,919
Speaker 9: Yes?

1045
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,240
Speaker 4: Lies?

1046
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 5: Was this Was there a film made about this dog?

1047
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 4: No, that's a bummer. Think that is? What did you do?

1048
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 10: What did you just say that's what the film made.

1049
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 6: Then your reaction, Oh, I said, that's a bummer. Okay,

1050
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 6: it feels like this animal clearly deserves it.

1051
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 10: Well, I'm going to tell you the story.

1052
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,439
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh, here we go.

1053
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 10: Of Bummer and Lazarus.

1054
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 4: Are you serious?

1055
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 9: Serious?

1056
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 10: So everyone knows the iconic San Francisco skyline. You know,

1057
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 10: you got the Trans America building and in that area.

1058
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,120
Speaker 10: When we go all the way back to the eighteen sixties,

1059
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 10: there was a man, Emperor Norton. You guys had an

1060
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 10: episode about.

1061
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, and then show.

1062
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 10: You mentioned his dogs Bummer, and now is a passage

1063
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 10: Bummer and Lazarus, and Emperor Norton again declared himself Emperor

1064
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 10: of the US Protector of Mexico. He was always seen

1065
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 10: in the company of these two dogs, Bummer and Lazarus.

1066
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 10: He wasn't their owner, though, because these were stray dogs

1067
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 10: and they were two of hundreds in the city at

1068
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 10: the time. And so on a cold day eighteen sixty one,

1069
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 10: a terrible dog fight broke out on a street in

1070
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 10: San Francisco. It's vicious big dogs attacking a smaller dog.

1071
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 10: Big dog takes a bite out of the smaller one's leg.

1072
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 10: That small one just yells out, yelps out. Another dog

1073
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,880
Speaker 10: comes running in, breaks up the fight, bites the bully dog,

1074
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 10: drags the injured dog into a doorway and the two

1075
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 10: of them huddle there. And so the savior dog that's Bummer,

1076
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 10: Bummer was called Bummer, who's a big black and white

1077
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 10: Newfoundland mix. Bummer would go around to all the saloons

1078
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 10: in the Barbary Coast begging for food, and people would

1079
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 10: feed him and he'd sit there and eat, and then

1080
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 10: he just known all around town. Well, so Bumber still

1081
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 10: goes around to the saloons, gets food, but takes it

1082
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 10: to go. He takes it out to this dog, this

1083
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 10: injured dog, and they sleep in this doorway for a

1084
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 10: few weeks while the bite heels. But everyone's like, this

1085
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 10: dog's not going to recover, but the dog does, and

1086
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 10: Lazarus was reborn. And then these two become an absolutely

1087
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 10: paired duo. They go everywhere together all the time. And

1088
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 10: this is one hundred and sixty years.

1089
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 9: Ago, Doggy life partner.

1090
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 10: So what's their flex? Their flex is that they had

1091
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 10: a skill that wound up saving their lives. They were

1092
00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 10: so good at ratting that they became in demand pest

1093
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 10: control in like the filthy streets of San Francisco. So

1094
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 10: in one instance they get called in to control the

1095
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 10: rats in a hotel. The dogs enter the building. Twenty

1096
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 10: minutes later, eighty five rats are dead. And because it

1097
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 10: is everyone loves them, but there's trouble, there's trouble on

1098
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,360
Speaker 10: the horizon. So stray dogs are totally out of control

1099
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 10: in San Francisco. There's hundreds and hundreds of them, and

1100
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 10: so animal control is like taking them in at this

1101
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 10: exponential rate, and then less than ten percent of the

1102
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 10: ones they take in or ever claimed. So the Board

1103
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 10: of Supervisors they pass an ordinance animal control. You got

1104
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 10: to go out round up as many as possible, any

1105
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 10: dog without a muzzle or a leash on and if

1106
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 10: someone claims them, they have to pay five bucks to

1107
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 10: get them out of pound. If no one claims them,

1108
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 10: the cops shoot them on site.

1109
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:16,479
Speaker 4: Damn geez rough.

1110
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 10: So immediately people in the area, they're worried about Bummer

1111
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 10: and Lazarus. You know, they lived on the streets and

1112
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 10: they liked it that way. They could never be owned.

1113
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 10: And people were right to be worried, because pretty soon

1114
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 10: poor Lazarus. He gets caught. Luckily, someone steps in pays

1115
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 10: the five dollars. But this outraged the people of San Francisco.

1116
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 10: They petitioned the Board of Supervisors to exempt Bummer and

1117
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 10: Lazarus from this death order, and so they have a

1118
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 10: meeting to hear this petition. Bummer and Lazarus go to

1119
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 10: city Hall and they're gathered in the doorway, just like

1120
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:54,400
Speaker 10: they did when Lazarus was healing, waiting to hear their

1121
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 10: fate inside the chambers and the city fathers they listened.

1122
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 10: They declared Bummer and Lazarus city property, companions to the

1123
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 10: city itself. So there are big flexes where we you know,

1124
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 10: we're not going to be killed. We now are belonged

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01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 10: to the entire city.

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01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 9: The whole city's.

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01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:15,479
Speaker 10: Best because we kill some. And then like a week later,

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01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 10: they totally prove their worth because the two of them

1129
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 10: stopped a runaway horse cart on Busy Clay Street. They

1130
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 10: one on either side, they run along. Bummer gets out

1131
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 10: in front, slows the horse, a man jumps on is

1132
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 10: able to pull the reins back, and there are all

1133
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 10: these other stories of their companionship and their antics, and

1134
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 10: then their eventual passing was like city wide morning when

1135
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 10: each one finally went. But it's a solid canine flex.

1136
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 10: You kill some rats, you get exempt from the death penalty,

1137
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 10: and you belong to the City by the Bay and

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01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,240
Speaker 10: you become legends.

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01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 4: Well beautiful.

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: I also have to say, just in the interest of fairness,

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01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: rats are very intelligent creatures and they probably have their

1142
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: own stories.

1143
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 10: But oh, I'm sure, but they're also filthy.

1144
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 4: Yes, that is true.

1145
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 2: Existence requires us. It's existent film. But do we get

1146
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: a half point for that half court shot and noll

1147
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 2: through with Bummer?

1148
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 10: Of course?

1149
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 9: Geez, yeah, totally.

1150
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 4: I have to jump in here so I can get

1151
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 4: a max with the facts in it. On this episode.

1152
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 9: That sneaking in the phone and peace fallen knowledge just

1153
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 9: for you. Right now here we come back with the.

1154
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 11: Fact there is actually a dry gin titled Bumber and

1155
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 11: Lazarus with the dogs on it, and one of the

1156
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 11: dogs even has a rat.

1157
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,320
Speaker 10: In the and apparently they were just terribly ugly, but

1158
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,560
Speaker 10: everyone just loved them to death. And so Bummer and Lazarus,

1159
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,600
Speaker 10: those are my dudes.

1160
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 9: Your phone gets and he drops in the knowledge.

1161
01:01:53,720 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 13: Just for you.

1162
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 9: So good, there we go.

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01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: Amazing, Elizabeth, amazing like, thank you for And also it

1164
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: looks like if I'm keeping score here, if we're if

1165
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: we're playing log, you'll also get a point for I

1166
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 2: would suggest that Ridiculous Crime gets a point for stumping us. Yes,

1167
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 2: and then and then we get a half point because no, man,

1168
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 2: you won't.

1169
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 9: Okay, So do you want to compare notes? Ben, I

1170
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:27,919
Speaker 9: got us at two and a half, you two point five,

1171
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 9: us one point five. So two and a half one

1172
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 9: and a half.

1173
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 2: That's where I've got us as well as are, which

1174
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:39,040
Speaker 2: I think means we have to continue this in another episode.

1175
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,920
Speaker 4: Let's make a week of it. You know what I mean?

1176
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 11: You know.

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01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 9: You'll have idea.

1178
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 4: I can't wait. I can't wait.

1179
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: You guys, thank you so much for having us over

1180
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: here on Ridiculous Crime.

1181
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 10: Thank you for joining us, thank you for showing, and

1182
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 10: thank you for having us on Ridiculous Sisters.

1183
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: Yes, it's the secret third thing.

1184
01:02:58,920 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 9: We found a third place.

1185
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:05,959
Speaker 4: What a time peak.

1186
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 2: Backstage, folks, we were all pretty certain that this was

1187
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: going to be a collection of like a couple of

1188
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 2: self contained things. But we had so much fun that

1189
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 2: we are going to keep this going, isn't it right?

1190
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 6: Well, actually Max and I and also Zarin have our

1192
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 6: own historical flex figures in mind. So we're gonna record

1193
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 6: that episode very soon and you'll be hearing it very

1194
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 6: soon as well. But in the meantime, huge thanks to

1195
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 6: everyone involved, to Elizabeth to Zaren, to Dave, to super

1196
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 6: producer Max.

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01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 4: To Bummer plus you know.

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01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 11: I guess what a weird piece of old history. Do

1199
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 11: you remember when we did that crossover with pods yourself

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01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 11: a gun?

1201
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1202
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,920
Speaker 11: We're also Spring criminals. We never did my part and

1203
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 11: I still have that. We still about that Pocket Baby

1204
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 11: about Really it was about really stupid criminals, that's right.

1205
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 11: Basically mine was about these two that they decided that

1206
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 11: they were going to be I don't like, kind of

1207
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 11: like Boondock States type of people, like they were going

1208
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 11: to go and knock off all the mobsters vigilantes.

1209
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they were also mobster.

1210
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 11: They were stealing their they were knocking out the big

1211
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:17,880
Speaker 11: try to knock out the big people to steal their

1212
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 11: territory and did not end well for them, as you

1213
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 11: probably guess.

1214
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 2: And speaking of criminals, of course, thank you to Jonathan

1215
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 2: Strickland aka the Quister, who's been running our complaint Department.

1216
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 4: For lo these many years.

1217
01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: Uh big big thanks of course Alex Williams who composed

1218
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:36,520
Speaker 2: this track. Huge thanks to everybody for tuning in. If

1219
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: you have not had the pleasure of checking out Ridiculous Crime,

1220
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 2: get thee to thy podcast platform of choice. It's a

1221
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:44,439
Speaker 2: kick butt show.

1222
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 6: Oh you must, get you to a podcast tree. We'll

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01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 6: see you next time, folks.

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01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,120
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01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:03,360
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