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Speaker 1: Thursday night, February twenty ninth. Decided to have one of

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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart is on the show tonight. We're gonna go

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Speaker 1: great stuff from him yesterday, pretty brutally honest about many

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Speaker 1: And for that reason, I think he's under incredible pressure

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Speaker 1: year as he did his entire time at Oklahoma. And

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Speaker 1: then comes the reset button. One of the things I'm

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Speaker 1: most excited to watch and talk about in college football

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Speaker 1: this year is the attempted reset at USCO. There are

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Speaker 1: some folks out there that will swear to you he

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Speaker 1: can't do it. He cannot do it. You can talk

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Speaker 1: about it, but he is who he is. His DNA

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Speaker 1: is what it is. Then there are other folks who say, nah,

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Speaker 1: he can do it. I mean he's not too he's

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Speaker 1: not too old to if you're never too old to evolve. Also,

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Speaker 1: there are some people who just want to sit there

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Speaker 1: and wait and see. That's me. He's seventy four and

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Speaker 1: eighteen in his entire career. You know, Jesse gotten the

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Speaker 1: prompter which we never use. There are three teleprompters in

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Speaker 1: here and we never use them. And he just used

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Speaker 1: them to correct me on a step. So Lincoln Riley,

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Speaker 1: just for the record, seventy four and eighteen in his career.

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Speaker 1: He was fifty five and ten at Oklahoma Golf Clap

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Speaker 1: for producer Jesse. So Lincoln Riley this year hit the

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Speaker 1: reset button. Hit the reset button in terms of staff,

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Speaker 1: but also hit the reset button in terms of his

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Speaker 1: stated philosophy on his program, which of course is words.

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Speaker 1: I've talked about this many times. So now we start

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Speaker 1: to get seeing it implemented in and implemented in spring,

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Speaker 1: but really implemented in the fall. If they go eight

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Speaker 1: and five again in their first year in the Big ten,

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley's not getting fired or anything like that, but

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Speaker 1: there will be people who start to redefine how they

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Speaker 1: think about him. Some already have. I don't think that

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Speaker 1: would be unfair. Now. I told you the other day

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have a very, very warped perspective on him

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Speaker 1: this year because even though he's been a head coach

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Speaker 1: many years, and even though this is his third year

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Speaker 1: at USC, he is changing, or he is alleging to

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Speaker 1: be changing what he is and what his program is

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Speaker 1: at its core. So if that's the case, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: look at him as a first year head coach. But

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Speaker 1: you're not going to look at him that way, which

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Speaker 1: is totally cool, especially if you're a USC fan. You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna look at him that way. For my purposes,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna look at him that way. So if he

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Speaker 1: goes eight and five this year, for me, I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll see how he does next year. If

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Speaker 1: he goes eight and five, for you out there and

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Speaker 1: you live in Santa Monica, you're gonna say, no, we

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Speaker 1: can't have this, which I get. What about Dabo another

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Speaker 1: example of competitive pressure. No hot seat here for Dabo

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Speaker 1: Swenty either, competitive pressure in that he had twelve straight

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Speaker 1: double digit win seasons. It comes in before they only

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Speaker 1: only went nine to four last year. But you know

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Speaker 1: what you were looking looking at was not vintage Clemson.

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Speaker 1: You know what you were looking at in the wide

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Speaker 1: receiver position was not merely what they have once put

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Speaker 1: on the field. You know what you're looking at in

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Speaker 1: talent acquisition isn't all they could be because they forego

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Speaker 1: using things that other programs use, like the transfer portal.

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Speaker 1: So internally, I don't think they should care about what

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Speaker 1: I'm about to say, But externally, a lot of how

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Speaker 1: they're perceived at the end of this year will depend

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Speaker 1: on what Florida State does what Miami does other folks

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Speaker 1: in that conference. Because there's one world where Clemson goes

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Speaker 1: ten and two, but they win the ACC. So I

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Speaker 1: guess maybe ten and three or eleven and two. There's

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Speaker 1: another world where they could also go ten and two,

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Speaker 1: but the two losses are to like Florida State and

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Speaker 1: like South Carolina. At the end of the year and

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Speaker 1: FSU goes undefeated and they play Miami in the ACC

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Speaker 1: championship game in Clemson's not even their same record roughly,

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Speaker 1: but because your competition laps you again, and especially if

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Speaker 1: it's Florida State, who has used the portal again to

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Speaker 1: their advantage, in your detriment, perception would be totally different.

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Speaker 1: That creates pressure, a lot of it. Clemson in Florida State,

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Speaker 1: for the record, co favorites right now in late February

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Speaker 1: to win the ACC. I think Dave Randa at Baylor

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Speaker 1: is under tremendous pressure. It felt like he may have

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Speaker 1: lost his job last year, and he did not. But

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Speaker 1: this hurts. This hurts because when I look at his

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Speaker 1: career there, he went two and seven in the COVID

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Speaker 1: year that's his first year. Then he went twelve and

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Speaker 1: two they won the Big Twelve Championship. I was sucked in.

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Speaker 1: They have gone six and seven and three and nine cents,

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Speaker 1: and I could explain it to you. I could make excuses,

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Speaker 1: but that wouldn't be fair because I would not afford

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Speaker 1: people I didn't like as much the same luxury as

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Speaker 1: I would afford Dave Randa, who I happened to like

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Speaker 1: a whole lot. So he brought in Jake Spabotol as

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Speaker 1: the OC, and then he got two coaches yanked right

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Speaker 1: from under him at the eleventh hour because Kaylin de

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Speaker 1: Boor came to Alabama. So Christian Robinson just left. The

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach just left who he had just hired,

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Speaker 1: and you're also having to overhaul offensively anyway, there's a

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Speaker 1: question as to whether the personnel they have in house

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Speaker 1: matches what Spavidol will want to do. There's not a

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Speaker 1: lot of runway. It doesn't get to be a two

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Speaker 1: or three year experiment. They've got to win this year.

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Speaker 1: They're over underwin totals same as Florida. It's five and

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Speaker 1: a half and they opened with Tarleton State, so at

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Speaker 1: least that's good news. But that Big Twelve schedule did

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Speaker 1: not get any easier this year because while you do

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Speaker 1: have OU in Texas walk out, they got back to

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Speaker 1: back road games at Iowa State Texas Tech. They've got

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Speaker 1: another pair of back to back road games towards the end.

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Speaker 1: They go to Utah as their first conference game this year.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be potentially a tough year in Waco.

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Speaker 1: And then at last, but not least, Ryan Day, who

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Speaker 1: has no business being under job security pressure, but there's

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Speaker 1: competitive pressure there. I have been had having fun with

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Speaker 1: this because a lot of people, especially when we get

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Speaker 1: out of spring and we get towards preview season, they

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Speaker 1: are going to put Ryan Day on the hot seat,

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Speaker 1: which is ludicrous. They are going to talk about what

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Speaker 1: he better do this year. He better beat Michigan, He

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Speaker 1: better play for or win the Big Ten Championship. Better

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Speaker 1: go to the playoff. So they'll make the playoff this year.

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Speaker 1: I have very little doubt about that. My question with

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Speaker 1: the others though, is what if they don't beat Michigan, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's say they they don't beat Michigan, they don't beat Oregon,

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Speaker 1: they go ten to two, they make the playoff as

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Speaker 1: a wild card, they don't go to the Big Ten

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Speaker 1: title game, even what what are you gonna do? You're

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Speaker 1: gonna fire him? Is that your answer? You're really going

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Speaker 1: to fire him? I don't think you would. I think

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Speaker 1: if you operated with that logic as an athletic director,

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Speaker 1: you probably wouldn't be an ad for long. So it's

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Speaker 1: hard to win, man, it's really hard to win. Having

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Speaker 1: said that, the expectations should be for them to win

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten Championship with no more than one regular

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Speaker 1: season loss and be a high seed in that playoff.

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Speaker 1: That's what the expectation should be. It's possible to fail

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Speaker 1: and keep your job. You know, it's possible to do that.

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Speaker 1: It's possible to fall short of expectation and keep your job.

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Speaker 1: So that's where we are on that front. Coaches under

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Speaker 1: pressure right now, competitive pressure, job, security pressure, all kinds

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Speaker 1: of different pressure out there. All right, let's roll on.

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Speaker 1: Got one more thing I want to hit, and then

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Speaker 1: Kirby Smart will join us for the remainder of the show.

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Speaker 1: Let me take a sip from the chalice.

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Speaker 2: Actually, you get a drive throat right now.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone being tuned in. Make sure you do one

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Speaker 1: thing and that is subscribed to the podcast or subscribe

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Speaker 1: to the channel if you haven't already. Spring questions all

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Speaker 1: over the place. For instance, at Texas, do you realize

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Speaker 1: they're replacing all their past catchers they do at Texas?

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Speaker 1: Do you realize it? Nationally? Ad Mitchell gone, Xavier Worthy gone,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Whittington gone, Jatavian Sanders gone. They've brought guys in.

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Speaker 1: They brought Isaiah Bond in from Alabama, the tight Endny

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Speaker 1: Black from Alabama. They brought Golden in from Houston. Silas Bolden,

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Speaker 1: they brought in from Oregon State. They've brought in replacements.

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Speaker 1: They better hit on them. They better hit on them,

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Speaker 1: or all this talk about quinn Ewers in Sark's offense

580
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Speaker 1: multiple year starter now will fall short of expectation because

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Speaker 1: they don't have it. They don't have the juice at

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Speaker 1: wide receiver tight end. So that's part one that we're

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Speaker 1: watching in spring. Part two, what's the level of their

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Speaker 1: d line, specifically interior guys, because I'm watching combine coverage

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Speaker 1: and I'm watching to Andandre Sweat move way faster than

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Speaker 1: someone weighing three hundred and sixty five pounds should move

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Speaker 1: Byron Murphy's also gone now, and they were tough to

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Speaker 1: run on in part because of those guys, and you

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Speaker 1: just you know, those guys don't grow on trees. If

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Speaker 1: they do, Texas gets about the best of them. But

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Speaker 1: what are they at pass catcher and on the interior

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Speaker 1: of their defensive line. That's what I'll watch. This is not,

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Speaker 1: by the way, supposed to be a segment where we

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Speaker 1: were questioning or negatively speculating. This is what God made

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Speaker 1: spring football for. Mem All would say, what about Miami,

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Speaker 1: how good are they going to be on the back

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Speaker 1: end of their defense. Miami's losing both safeties. Those were

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Speaker 1: the number two and three tacklers on their team this

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Speaker 1: past year. Cam Kinchens was first team All American back

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Speaker 1: to back years, or first team All acc back to

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Speaker 1: back years. They're losing four DB's overall. Okay, they went

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Speaker 1: at that position really hard in the transfer portal. They've

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Speaker 1: got a hit. This is a theme obviously throughout spring.

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Speaker 1: They better have hit at that position. And also just

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Speaker 1: the young talent in general. We saw Maligoa last year,

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Speaker 1: we saw Reuben Bain last year. They got to have

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Speaker 1: another crop of those young guys as freshmen step up

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Speaker 1: and play, and then the ones who didn't immediately pop

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Speaker 1: from the twenty twenty three class have to pop because

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Speaker 1: they're starting twenty two has to be majority comprised of

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Speaker 1: the twenty three and twenty four classes this year. It's

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Speaker 1: got to be that way for them to achieve at

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Speaker 1: the level they want to. Let's go to Lubbock, Texas

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Speaker 1: and we wait, wait, wait, okay, it just takes a

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Speaker 1: while to get to Lubbock. So they're losing four or

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Speaker 1: five offensive linemen. They're losing seven offensive linemen who have

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Speaker 1: made starts. They portaled three of them in there with

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Speaker 1: twenty plus starts. So again fingers crossed, got to have

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Speaker 1: those be hits. And also their defensive line only returns

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Speaker 1: two guys who have started games, and those guys have

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Speaker 1: just started I think one game apiece Jesse. So line

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Speaker 1: of scrimmage by ten miles will be the biggest question

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Speaker 1: that we have for Texas Tech. Yet again, Spring hopeful,

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Speaker 1: Spring developmental. Let's get things figured out in spring so

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Speaker 1: we don't have to figured out in week three. Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: show me what you're going to be at offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: Joe Alt gone, Blake Fisher gone. Those guys started. It

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Speaker 1: feels like about a million games at Notre Dame. They

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Speaker 1: also everyone's going to talk about tackle, So I'm not

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Speaker 1: skipping over that, but everyone's going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Do they have better talented wide receiver now? Because a

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Speaker 1: lot of people are going to talk about Riley Leonard

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Speaker 1: transferring in there, and I am too. But who's he

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball to? How much protection will he have?

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Speaker 1: That goes to say for every quarterback in the country,

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Speaker 1: but especially for him. And lastly, you just watch Washington

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Speaker 1: play for a national championship. I did too, not this

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Speaker 1: Washington clause. It's brand new, same logo, same helmet, same stadium,

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Speaker 1: brand new team, brand new coaching staff. They lost twenty

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Speaker 1: one of twenty two starters. Will Rogers is up there

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Speaker 1: at quarterback now you remember him form Mississippi State. It's

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Speaker 1: about as close to seeing a brand new team created

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Speaker 1: going to have their way of doing things. What is that?

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Speaker 1: Colin here's a good endpoint for the individual clip. The

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Speaker 1: Paid State Speakers Series is back. We went down to Athens, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Spent the day down at Georgia yesterday. Great access given

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Speaker 1: to us by Kirby Smart and his staff. We always appreciated,

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Speaker 1: always feel at home there. He gave us twenty five

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Speaker 1: to thirty good minutes.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of college football centric stuff with some

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Speaker 1: drill down on Georgia. So I'll waste no more time.

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Speaker 1: Here is Kirby smart head coach at Georgia. I want

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00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: to take you back to Atlanta, Georgia a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago SEC media days. You're first up at the podium,

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Speaker 1: which is probably the most enviable spot.

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Speaker 2: You get there early, you agree to do the show.

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Speaker 1: You show up seven thirty seven thirty five, seven forty

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Speaker 1: and I know showed and we haven't spoken about it

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Speaker 1: publicly since then. Your thoughts that day in the moment.

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Speaker 2: Where the hell is this guy at? Yeah? You know,

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Speaker 2: I was.

717
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Speaker 3: Just thinking I had watched your show many times before

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Speaker 3: and had a lot of respect for it.

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Speaker 2: Say it, don't finish.

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Speaker 3: Didn't know where you were, but I do know Atlanta

721
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 3: is a great city, and I know that there's a

722
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Speaker 3: lot of places you can go to enjoy yourself, and

723
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Speaker 3: I know you were close to home. So I'm sure

724
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Speaker 3: you had a good time that night, and you had

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Speaker 3: your reasons. But we've all done it before, we've overslept

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Speaker 3: or whatever's come of it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't think much of it. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: Your speculation is a lot better than the real story,

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00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: so almost stick with your speculation.

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Speaker 2: It actually happened.

731
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Speaker 1: So we're sitting here at February. We're recording in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the day right now, so you're in the

733
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Speaker 1: middle of a work day. What's going on around Georgia

734
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Speaker 1: football in February, Well.

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Speaker 2: It's supposed to be the quiet time.

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Speaker 3: I know, every coach that I talked to in college

737
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 3: football is like, man, I can't wait till February.

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Speaker 2: February is the dead period, so you get to spend

739
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Speaker 2: a lot of time with your team. And if you.

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Speaker 3: Said you polled coaches and said when do you feel

741
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Speaker 3: like you're truly just a coach and you get to

742
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Speaker 3: invest in your current roster and your players, I would

743
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Speaker 3: say it's February.

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Speaker 2: But uniquely, we've had a couple of changes.

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Speaker 3: You know, we had a coach coach to the NFL,

746
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Speaker 3: and we've had a coach Chris McGee, who we love

747
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 3: dearly here have an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: To go to Georgia State. So we're dealing with a

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Speaker 2: little bit of turnover.

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Speaker 3: We got some new guys in here and we're trying

751
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Speaker 3: to onboard them and we're trying to finalize kind of

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Speaker 3: what we're doing with our players each day.

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Speaker 1: That thing you just said, that onboarding word, like we're

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Speaker 1: all familiar with it, but I'm familiar with it because

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Speaker 1: I work at CBS Sports. Someone may work down in

756
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Speaker 1: Columbus and the AFLAC Tower, But in football, you guys

757
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 1: got spring ball right around the corner, and you got

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Speaker 1: a national championship you're going to try and compete for.

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Speaker 1: And you don't want people learning on the fly. You

760
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Speaker 1: want them up to speed. So what does onboarding in Athens,

761
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Speaker 1: Georgia actually.

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Speaker 3: Look like, Well, it's we dump a ton on them.

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Speaker 3: The first thing we do when we hire coach is

764
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Speaker 3: get them all the names and numbers of their current

765
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Speaker 3: players and their parents, and try to get them to

766
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Speaker 3: reach out to their players so they can get to

767
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 3: know them. It's very violatile time in college football, so

768
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 3: the kids on the roster want to know who their

769
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: new coach is. So that's the first thing you do,

770
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: is take care of home. What's important now is an

771
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Speaker 3: acronym we have here WI in. What's important now is

772
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 3: get to know your players, get to know the prospects

773
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Speaker 3: at your position. Okay, what about the offense. We're in

774
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Speaker 3: the middle of installation. We're going we're doing walk throughs

775
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: each day, so what do you know about the offense?

776
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 3: How fast can you learn it. How fast can you

777
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Speaker 3: learn about the guys at your position in twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, So it's a like drinking water through a.

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Speaker 2: Fire hose for those new coaches.

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Speaker 3: But we have tremendous support staff here. Weve got a

781
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: great coordinators to onboard each one. We haven't had to

782
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 3: deal with a lot of a turnover. So when you

783
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Speaker 3: get somebody new, you welcome them in the family and

784
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Speaker 3: you on board them.

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Speaker 2: You take them through and say this is how we

786
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Speaker 2: do things.

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Speaker 1: That that's normal stuff. You deal with that every year.

788
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Speaker 1: You recruit every year. Like there's a lot of stuff

789
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Speaker 1: that's on your calendar. You can write it in sharply,

790
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Speaker 1: you're going to do it every year. Then there's a

791
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Speaker 1: lot of other stuff that you write it in pencil

792
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Speaker 1: because it may change, or some stuff that's just popping

793
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Speaker 1: up for the first time. Right now, at what point

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Speaker 1: during the typical year do you have time to zoom

795
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Speaker 1: out a little bit, look fifty thousand feet, reassess me

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Speaker 1: as a coach, reassess my staff, and you're going to

797
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Speaker 1: do your evails. But also, like if there's a thirty

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Speaker 1: degree philosophical change that needs to happen in these walls

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Speaker 1: to continue competing in the way you want to compete. When

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Speaker 1: do you have time to do that?

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Speaker 2: Who do you talk to? Where do you go for inspiration?

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Speaker 3: Well, every year we try to take a look back,

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Speaker 3: and as soon as our season's over, which this year

804
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Speaker 3: was the Orange.

805
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Speaker 2: Bowl against Far State, we come back in and we.

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Speaker 3: Try to look retrospectively because it's on our mind. So

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Speaker 3: I have both coordinators and guys beneath them that are

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Speaker 3: aspiring to be coordinators to write up what would you

809
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Speaker 3: have done differently this year? I'm talking about week to week.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I call this on third down or

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Speaker 3: that on third down. I'm talking about like how organizationally

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Speaker 3: can we do it better? How can we save time?

813
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Speaker 3: Did we spend too much time on shortyards goal line?

814
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Speaker 3: Did we spend too much time on maybe second long

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Speaker 3: Like where can we invest and do it better? That's

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00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 3: important to do then because it's fresh on your mind.

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00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: And then as the year goes, you're in recruiting, you're

818
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Speaker 3: starting to recruit juniors. You actually take a little break,

819
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Speaker 3: believe it or not. I mean we tried to have

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Speaker 3: a different staff schedule this year. I talked to a

821
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Speaker 3: lot of head coaches and said, what are you doing

822
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Speaker 3: with your staff during this time post signing date? So

823
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 3: post February signing date, we did the defenses all out.

824
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 3: They're on break for a week, the offense runs the office,

825
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Speaker 3: then we flip it and defenses in offenses out. Okay,

826
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Speaker 3: then we all come in together and have a good week,

827
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Speaker 3: and then we have spring break.

828
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Speaker 2: So we're trying to retain our.

829
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Speaker 3: Coaches by not just wearing them out. Because from August

830
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Speaker 3: until really February whatever it was third, Yeah, there's not

831
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Speaker 3: a day that you're not working or not time.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this burnout thing. Two years ago, you

833
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: guys beat Bama for the title in Indy. The next morning,

834
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Speaker 1: Rhys Davis is in this seat across from him, and

835
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Speaker 1: you do the next morning ESPN national interview, and I

836
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Speaker 1: think it kind of raised some eyebrows when you took

837
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Speaker 1: that moment which could just be used to market your program,

838
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 1: and you talked about coaching burnout. And it wasn't the

839
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Speaker 1: first time I'd ever heard anyone mention it, but it

840
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Speaker 1: was the first time I saw someone take that platform

841
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Speaker 1: and mentioned it. Okay, well, now everyone's talking about it,

842
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: and it's almost gotten to the point where it's this

843
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Speaker 1: big chorus, and now folks are pushing back saying folks

844
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Speaker 1: are whining too much. Those guys just paid a lot

845
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Speaker 1: of money, Like what are they whining for? So to me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if it's the right point, it's the right point.

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're a trillionaire, billionaire or you

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Speaker 1: got five dollars in your pocket, but zoom in a

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Speaker 1: little bit for me, all right?

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Speaker 2: Since then?

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Speaker 1: Has it gotten better worse? And what specifically are the

852
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Speaker 1: issues that are faced right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a deep question.

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Speaker 3: I mean, has it gotten better or worse? Things have

855
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Speaker 3: gotten better in some areas, things have gotten worse in

856
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: some areas. I'm not here to complain as a person

857
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Speaker 3: that makes a lot of money in this business. I's

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Speaker 3: a person who's had a chance to reach out and

859
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: touch a lot of lives. I don't believe in whining

860
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 3: and crying. But I do believe in doing things the

861
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 3: best way possible. And I think every person listening to this,

862
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 3: every person in our organization, every person in our state,

863
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: they have a belief, they have an opinion, and a

864
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 3: lot of people have different opinions of the right ways

865
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 3: to do things.

866
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 2: I give Nick a lot of credit.

867
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: Nick was very impactful for my career, but every meeting

868
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: I ever sat in with him on his staff or

869
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: as the head coach in the SEC for eight years,

870
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: where we shared seats and shared ideas.

871
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 2: He was always in.

872
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: Pursuit of what was best for the student athletes. And

873
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean necessarily best means highest paid, most money.

874
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 3: It's overall what's going to allow somebody to have more

875
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 3: success in the rest of their life.

876
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: And that is such a.

877
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: Fine line in such a gray area that you asked

878
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: the question is what is better and what is worse?

879
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 3: In some ways, our calendar is worse. December has become

880
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 3: a little bit of a nightmare. And that's not a complaint.

881
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: I love hard work, like I grind, I am into

882
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: the doing it better than the other team.

883
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: But it's almost.

884
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 3: Unimaginable what we ask some people to do. For instance,

885
00:44:12,600 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: we're asking kids that are getting ready to play for

886
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 3: a national championship against TCU in Alabama to sign a

887
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: piece of paper saying that they're not coming back next

888
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: year so that we can bring in a mid year.

889
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 2: You know, like this kid's been.

890
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 3: Here and we know he's going out for the NFL

891
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 3: Draft and he's a senior and his eligibilities up, but

892
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: he needs to be worried about the game. But no,

893
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 3: we can't bring in a mid year without removing someone else.

894
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 2: So it's called a voluntary withdrawal. They're required to sign it.

895
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 3: It's very tough environments like that that you're washed or managing,

896
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 3: and you're having to do things that you're like, well,

897
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 3: why does this matter right now? Like this is not

898
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 3: the most important thing. But every team's in a different spot,

899
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,399
Speaker 3: so it makes it very challenging. But I can't sit

900
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 3: here and say that it's perfect. And I think there's

901
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,760
Speaker 3: some ways to make it better, but there's some things

902
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: that are just change inevitable. And change is inevitable and

903
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: it makes it harder.

904
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: So we're blessed enough when we get to be in

905
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: places like this, and I just wish sometimes I could

906
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: pluck some folks like the old grab claw machine and

907
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: drop them in here. Like you said, it's not resistance

908
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: to hard work. I mean you could feel it pulsate

909
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: all throughout this building. I mean folks would work twenty

910
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: five hours here if they could. And it's not necessarily

911
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: when I say that carrying water for coaches and whatnot.

912
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: But I just understand, because I talk to enough of

913
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: you guys, that there are only so many hours in

914
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: the day, and there's a functional way that things should operate.

915
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: And what I've heard from you on and off the record,

916
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: what I've heard from a lot of other guys on

917
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: and off the record, is we don't need you to

918
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: lighten our burden. What we need you to do is

919
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: make it make sense a little bit more. I guess

920
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,720
Speaker 1: what you're trying to say, Yeah.

921
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly what I'm trying to for me.

922
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 3: I think every coach that we meet with and talk

923
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: about they would just.

924
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: Like to know.

925
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: And I don't think this is asking much for the

926
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: people at home, for the people out there and the

927
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 3: fans and really the parents of the players and the players,

928
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: they'd like to know who's on their roster and who's not.

929
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 3: And if you could just know who who's on your

930
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: roster for that year, I think we could live with that.

931
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: I think it's really.

932
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 3: Hard going into a spring or an off season program

933
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: to go grind and you don't even know for sure

934
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 3: who's going to be on your roster if you could

935
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 3: tell me I got this guy for three hundred and

936
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 3: sixty five days, and then that guy has an opportunity

937
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: to go anywhere he wants to go. And at this point,

938
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 3: even multiple times. I think every coach could live with that.

939
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 3: That's not the complaint. The issue is not knowing who's

940
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 3: on your roster and who's not for long periods of time.

941
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 2: That's tough. That makes it.

942
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: Hard to develop a team, to develop toughness, to develop

943
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: a roster, and to be honest with you, for the

944
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: players to become the best players they can be. I

945
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: can't tell you how many kids I've seen go through

946
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 3: the psychological The toughest thing for him is trying to.

947
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: Figure out should I be here? Should I be there?

948
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 3: And they're worried about that instead of worried about where

949
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 3: you are, Like get better and.

950
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 2: You think about that all the time.

951
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: That weighs on your That weighs on your ability to

952
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: be a good student, to be a good person, to

953
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 3: be a good foot ball.

954
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 2: Player, because they always.

955
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: Think the grass is greener on the other side.

956
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned coach Saban a second ago. Where were you

957
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: when you heard about him retiring? Like, what did you

958
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: immediately think I didn't believe it immediately. I think I

959
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: got a text from somebody because we were here. I

960
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: was here at the office, so we.

961
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: Had been working all that day, and of course it

962
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 3: was at a different time. I think they had some

963
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: job opening, they had some coaches leave, so they were

964
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: going through some things. We were going through some things,

965
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 3: looking for coaches and talking to guys and things like that,

966
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: and they got a text.

967
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, Nah, I don't believe that. I've

968
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: heard that before.

969
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: You know, that rumor kind of came out of left

970
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 3: field a little bit in terms of the timing of

971
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 3: it and when it came, But when it came, it

972
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: came fast. I think he felt very comfortable in his

973
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: decision once he made it, and he left a major

974
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 3: impact on this sport.

975
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: We know, I've heard you talk a lot about your

976
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: relationship with him. I've heard you talk a lot about

977
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 1: your perspective with him. What I'm interested with you in

978
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: now is, even if he's still active, he's active from

979
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: a different chair. It's not a head coach's chair anymore.

980
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: And there's a ton of oxygen that his voice used

981
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: to take up in the room. That's just in the

982
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: room now and it's really hard to do your job,

983
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: really hard to be ahead football coach. Then there's the

984
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: added burden that some folks want you to accept of

985
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: maybe being a face of the sport and being one

986
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: of the preemptive voices in the sport. And when there's

987
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: a fifty thousand foot problem, they want to know what

988
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart thinks about it? What do you think about that?

989
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: Is that something you embraced? Does it go with the territory?

990
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: Are you resistant to it? How do you feel about that?

991
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 3: First of all, I don't want to be seen as

992
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 3: the face of college football, Beau.

993
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case. I don't think anybody.

994
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 3: I think Nick was that and will continue to be

995
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 3: a voice that people should listen to. First of all,

996
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 3: he's extremely intelligent. He's smart, he understands all the problems

997
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,479
Speaker 3: we have as head coaches, and he wants what's best

998
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: for the players. I mean, I work for the guy

999
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,280
Speaker 3: and know that that's what he really wants for the players.

1000
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 3: I don't think that that that's some kind of spot

1001
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 3: that's just inherited or given to anybody. You earn that

1002
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: earned that through time. I'm not where he was. But

1003
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 3: I certainly think that I embraced the fact that I

1004
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 3: want to help the game. Look, this sport has been

1005
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 3: really good to me in my life. I grew up

1006
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: a high school coaches son. Football was good to my family.

1007
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: I'm in college now. Football has been good to my family.

1008
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 3: Football is good for young men to play they grow.

1009
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: I've seen kids.

1010
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 3: Get opportunities they would have never gotten before in terms

1011
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 3: of academics and meeting people and becoming successful without the

1012
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: game of football.

1013
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: So I want to help the game of football.

1014
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 3: If that means I'm vocal or a spokesperson for something

1015
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 3: I believe in that, I'm going to stand up for

1016
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 3: that when I do.

1017
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: Do you feel like a young head coach? You feel

1018
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: like a veteran Because I didn't even realize I was

1019
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: looking at the numbers on the back wall. There's a

1020
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: part of me that feels like you just got to

1021
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 1: Georgia a couple of years ago, and you're entering year nine.

1022
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: That's almost a decade. According to stats and info, that's

1023
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: almost a decade. And it's like that to me in

1024
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: my mind, it's like that, how does it feel to you?

1025
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: I'm in the middle. I definitely don't feel young anymore.

1026
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 3: As we hire younger coaches and I'm around players, don't

1027
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 3: feel young anymore. But I don't feel old either, So

1028
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 3: I'm calling it a neutral forty eight sitting in the middle.

1029
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 3: You know where it's either you know off we keep

1030
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: going from here in as sind and keep rising and

1031
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: keep loving it, or you're looking at the other side

1032
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 3: of it is I've only been doing it eight nine years.

1033
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: How much more time do you have? But I certainly

1034
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 3: think that I'm somewhere in the middle.

1035
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: That's a good answer in the living room too, I

1036
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: would imagine that works very well. We were talking about

1037
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: recruiting before we started recording, and you were talking about

1038
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,359
Speaker 1: recruiting Harrison County, recruiting West central Georgia back in the day,

1039
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: and still do it now. And look, I love Hunter's Pub.

1040
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: It's a little little hole in the wall restaurant. I

1041
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: give a little bit there off one eighty five. And

1042
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 1: they haven't necessarily paid to sponsor the show. They pay

1043
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: me in sauce. That's how they pay me. But you

1044
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: were talking about dropping in there back when you used

1045
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: to be at BAM, and you recruit down there fifteen

1046
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: seconds or less, how legit.

1047
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: Is that place legit.

1048
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: My favorite place is to go Hold in the Wall.

1049
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 3: Everybody knows your name. You feel like you're walking into cheers.

1050
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 3: Had any a good steak there? And it's exactly that.

1051
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: I would see people that were out hunting and they

1052
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: would be passing through, either on the way or coming back.

1053
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: And it is a hole in the wall, but it

1054
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: is a special place and one I remember well because

1055
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: I was a young coach that like to stop by

1056
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: those dives awesome stuff.

1057
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 2: Probably go there when I get home now.

1058
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: So right now, all the talk in college football seems

1059
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: to be off the field, which I hate, but I

1060
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: have to participate in it as well. So whether it

1061
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: be a court case somewhere that looks like it overturns

1062
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: the NCAA to a certain extent, or whether it's changes

1063
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: in NIL or the way the portal's going to be handled,

1064
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 1: new recruiting calendar. As you and I sit here and talk,

1065
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: we've gotten reporting about that today. Do you ever feel

1066
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: like you have solid footing under you and you fully

1067
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: know the.

1068
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: Structure of the sport you coach?

1069
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: I probably feel there's times that I felt extremely solid footing.

1070
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 3: I understand the calendar. I understand the dynamic. I know

1071
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: when it's tough, I know when it's not. I know

1072
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: when I got to pick it up. Right now, it's

1073
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:03,320
Speaker 3: a little bit all over the place, and we're in

1074
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 3: a little bit of limbo because we're in a rule

1075
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: change year and there's a lot of things changing fast

1076
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 3: in college football, whether that's the future of our signing

1077
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 3: date January December, future of the portal, the number of

1078
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 3: opportunities to transfer, what's going on within il, whether it's

1079
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: outside or inside your universities.

1080
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 2: There is a lot going on fast.

1081
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 3: So to feel like you're on firm footing, all you

1082
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 3: know right now is you better be able to adjust

1083
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: and adapt quickly. And I think it's coaches that's what's.

1084
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: Made it tough. I'm not crying or whinding about it.

1085
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 3: I just know I got to do it better than

1086
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 3: the guys that I compete with, and whoever does it

1087
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 3: best and has a really good culture in house, they're

1088
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 3: going to keep the majority of their good players, and

1089
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 3: that's how you win. I mean, look, Michigan won national

1090
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 3: championship last year, and I think about it. Somebody told

1091
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: me the number of players they had that were twenty

1092
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 3: two years or older, and the number of seniors they

1093
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 3: had that have been retained on their roster.

1094
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 2: That you have success for those reasons.

1095
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: And those guys play well in big moments.

1096
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 2: That was big for them.

1097
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: You guys go to the SEC Championship game last year,

1098
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: you fall to Alabama. You're going for three in a row,

1099
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: and that was the talk around the program. Internally, I

1100
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: would assume it's just week to week, day to day

1101
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: sometimes in the past, and you've even been on teams

1102
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,879
Speaker 1: sometimes in the past different places where team falls short

1103
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: of expectation. Then months afterwards you start to hear rumblings

1104
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: about complacency being an issue here, and this was an

1105
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: issue there. Now, I'm not inside the walls every day

1106
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: like you, but I was around you guys at fair

1107
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: amount last year. I didn't really since that. I mean

1108
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: sometimes baldup bounce your way. I didn't really since that.

1109
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: Did you guys have any issue with that last year

1110
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,399
Speaker 1: or was it just not your year?

1111
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 2: No?

1112
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 3: I thought we had really good leadership, We've built a

1113
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 3: great culture of leadership. We may not have been as

1114
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 3: talented as the previous two years. We also had games

1115
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 3: that we got away with, maybe not playing our best

1116
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 3: in one. I mean one I think of is Ohio State.

1117
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,919
Speaker 3: You know that we didn't play our best game against

1118
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 3: Ohio State, but we won. And we did not play

1119
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 3: our best game against Alabama and we didn't win. And

1120
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 3: there's things you can point to in each and every.

1121
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: Game, especially close games.

1122
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 3: It boils down to so many things that you give

1123
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: Alabama a lot of credit for that game and they

1124
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 3: beat us outright. But I don't think it was anything

1125
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 3: wrong inherently with the team. It was not a lot

1126
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: of difference in that team in the year before's team

1127
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 3: that just happened to win every game and this one

1128
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: lost one.

1129
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: So you guys circle up. You guys do skull sessions here,

1130
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: which you've been pretty vocal about. I know you believe

1131
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: in it. I was talking to we'll keep the name anonymous.

1132
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody at the program where there's

1133
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: been staff turned recently, and someone who has survived the

1134
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: couple of staffs there said, you know what we probably liked.

1135
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: We lacked that stuff Kirby does at Georgia, that skull stuff.

1136
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: That's what he called it, the skull stuff. And he

1137
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: talked about it, and he talked about a construction site.

1138
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: He said, there's a difference in dropping off the palette

1139
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: of brick and wood in the morning versus that becoming

1140
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: a house. And there are a lot of connectivity that

1141
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: has to happen with those materials, which you would call culture,

1142
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: And you guys have a really rock solid one here.

1143
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: Did you always do that or did you kind of

1144
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 1: evolve your way into thinking this is how we need

1145
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: to go about culture building here.

1146
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the culture has always been important here,

1147
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: and I think we've had good culture here always. But

1148
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 3: after the COVID year, after the win againt Cincinnati, we

1149
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 3: made some significant changes within the program and that kicked

1150
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 3: off the first national championship run. Now it just so

1151
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 3: happens when we kicked that off, we also had maybe

1152
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 3: the most talented team we've ever had, you know, that

1153
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: had all the first rounders, and we won a national

1154
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 3: championship with and then the next year we carried that over,

1155
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: and then we next year we carried that over into

1156
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 3: last year's. Now we're carrying it over into a fourth year.

1157
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 3: And I'm very sensitive to saying are we doing this

1158
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 3: just to do it or what are we tweaking to

1159
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: make it different? Because some of the kids in the room.

1160
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 3: First year, it was the first year it was done

1161
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 3: for everybody. Second year there was guys in two years

1162
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: going through school sessions. Then last year there were some

1163
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 3: guys in their third year. Now I'm into the fourth

1164
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 3: year and I think we got ten players that have

1165
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 3: done four years of school sessions. So for fifty percent

1166
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 3: of the team's new, for fifty percent of the team

1167
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 3: it's old. It's just as important for both fifties. And

1168
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 3: we spent a lot of time. We invest a lot

1169
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 3: of time as coaches, and I think that's the only

1170
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 3: way you can really have good culture is have your

1171
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: players buy into that.

1172
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: And believe it. So we don't provide it lip service.

1173
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 2: We provide it time. We take time out of our football,

1174
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: our walkthroughs, our workouts.

1175
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 3: To just get to know each other, and that connectedness

1176
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 3: is what's kind of made a difference for us.

1177
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 1: How much of the job of head coach could you

1178
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: never prepare for until you are a head coach?

1179
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh?

1180
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 3: Eighty percent of it? I mean the media, you don't

1181
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,960
Speaker 3: prepare for that till you do it. You can say

1182
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:27,760
Speaker 3: you're going to go talk to them as an assistant,

1183
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 3: but it's not the same, the decisions, the phone calls

1184
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 3: you get when somebody gets in trouble, the who you're

1185
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: going to take at this running back or that running back,

1186
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: this receiver or that receiver.

1187
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 2: The rehiring and hiring.

1188
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,240
Speaker 3: Of coaches, I mean, the support staff, hiring, all these

1189
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: things that come up every year. I mean I almost

1190
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 3: say eighty to ninety percent of it.

1191
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 2: You never do it until you're a head coach, so

1192
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: you can't practice that. You have to go through it

1193
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,160
Speaker 2: and do it now.

1194
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: The coaching part didn't change, the coaching defense, special teams,

1195
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:57,240
Speaker 3: and offense.

1196
00:56:57,480 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: That didn't change from becoming a head coach, But the

1197
00:56:59,360 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: rest of it did.

1198
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: How much of behind the curtain were you able to

1199
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 1: see working under coach saving all those years, versus how

1200
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: much of it did you find out the hard way

1201
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: and look back and say he was doing all this,

1202
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: like he was dealing with this and that I had

1203
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 1: no clue this was gonna come at me.

1204
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see behind the curtain much, But I

1205
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 3: mean he lets you behind the curtain by being part

1206
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 3: of his staff because he's very Hey, guys, I want

1207
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 3: to talk about this. What do we think is the

1208
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 3: best way to do it? So he allowed input. It

1209
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: was a democracy in the fact that he would take votes,

1210
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: but it was not in the sense that he was

1211
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 3: going to dictatorship. He was going to decide what we did,

1212
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: and I always appreciated that. I like getting information to

1213
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: make decisions, So that part you kind of got to

1214
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 3: see under him. But I was so focused on what

1215
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: I was in charge of, being where my feet, where

1216
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 3: I was focused on the defense. That's the only part. So,

1217
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 3: like I said, probably eighty ninety percent of those things

1218
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 3: you experienced, you experienced for the first time as a

1219
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 3: head coach, and you get better as you incurve those situations.

1220
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: We're about to watch brock Bauers go through the Combine process,

1221
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: go through the Fell draft process.

1222
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 2: How rare a player is he?

1223
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 3: M generational? I mean, I don't know how to say

1224
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 3: it any other way. I don't know if I'll coach

1225
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 3: another guy quite like that.

1226
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, he just different.

1227
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean just big, physical, fast, smart, no moments too

1228
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 3: big for him.

1229
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna make somebody a really good player.

1230
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: He's high character kid, and I just don't think I

1231
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 3: don't think I will see a kid like that at

1232
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: that position the rest of the time. I coach, because

1233
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 3: I haven't thus far, you know, all the years off coach,

1234
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: I've never seen one quite like.

1235
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: That, are you ever?

1236
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you got to be shot twhen you have

1237
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: a guy who comes in and he's seventeen, eighteen, nineteen,

1238
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 1: twenty years old, but he's got the mind of like

1239
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: a fifty year old veteran who's lived life. I don't

1240
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: know what it is about even DNA that makes someone

1241
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: like that, because that's knack up stuff.

1242
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: You don't build that in a weight room, like is

1243
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 2: that to you?

1244
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: Probably the rarest commodity is not so much the physical

1245
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: specimen nature, but mentally how advanced a guy like that is.

1246
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 2: It's the combination.

1247
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the mental advancement he came in with

1248
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: his ability to walk into a clemsing game, its first

1249
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: ever game, and go out there and make plays like

1250
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 3: the moment wasn't too big for him.

1251
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: That you don't see that every day. That is rare.

1252
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: But the talent's very rare too.

1253
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 3: I Mean, I have a lot of mature kids who

1254
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 3: aren't as talented as he is, you know, so he's

1255
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:19,479
Speaker 3: he's off the spectrum on both those.

1256
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: We're about to open spring ball. You focused on everything.

1257
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 1: But if you had to circle two or three things

1258
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: that are.

1259
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 2: I asked you this.

1260
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: I just got a flash by I asked you this

1261
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: media days. I'm gonna ask you again. The two or

1262
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: three things that have your attention the most as spring.

1263
00:59:33,720 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 2: Ball opens would be what depth depth at all positions? Like?

1264
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 3: Can we create offensive and defensive line depth? And I

1265
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 3: look across football, the games change and less big guys

1266
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 3: are playing.

1267
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:43,919
Speaker 2: There's less.

1268
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: I mean, every NFL scout that comes in here says

1269
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 3: we can't find offensive lineman, we can't find offensive lineman. Well,

1270
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 3: that's what we do here. We recruit offensive linemen. We

1271
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 3: get big guys and we develop them defensive lineman.

1272
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 2: There's just less of them. There's less big people.

1273
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: So we want to establish depth at both those positions.

1274
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 3: And we've got a lot of young guys and here

1275
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 3: at those two positions.

1276
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: Outside the building, outside of football. So let's just take

1277
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 1: the quarter zip off for a second.

1278
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: You're just Kirby Smart. What are you doing for fun

1279
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 2: right now?

1280
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 1: You're watching anything? You're listening anything?

1281
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, shoot, man, I don't have any time. My fun

1282
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 3: is going to watch my kids sports. I watched my

1283
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 3: daughter play JV tennis yesterday and I had a blast

1284
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 3: getting to watch her play JV tennis. And then my

1285
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 3: oldest son plays high school tennis. I get to go

1286
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: watch him play. Then my youngest is playing baseball, So

1287
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:33,800
Speaker 3: like my free time literally goes to that. Now we

1288
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 3: are getting ready to go on spring break. We're gonna go

1289
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: on a trip, get out of the country and go

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