WEBVTT - Inside the Twins ownership mess w/Dan Hayes & how it might get worse 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:08.360 Twins. Reporter for The Athletic, Dan Hayes is here covering 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.240 what I think is one of the most shocking headlines 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:14.120 of the sports year. The Pollads had been looking to 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:17.439 sell the Minnesota Twins for about a year, and Dan 0:00:17.560 --> 0:00:20.040 has been all over the case here. He put out 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.639 another article this morning with Brittany Giroli and The Athletic 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:26.000 why the Pollads stunned potential buyers and kept control of 0:00:26.079 --> 0:00:29.240 the Twins. That is a real quote from one of 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:33.320 the next generation family members of the pole Ads, Joe 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.880 Paulad said, we are the right people. Dan, here we go. 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:43.920 What the heck happened? And how has this shook Minneapolis? 0:00:44.760 --> 0:00:45.320 Oh man. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:49.760 I'm sitting by the Delta complaints counter here at MSP 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:53.760 and I halfway expect a bunch of Twins fans to 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:56.120 line up and complain about the pole Ads. It's been 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:58.680 a rough couple of weeks. I mean, the trade deabline 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:03.760 was shocking enough, right, but this sale was stagnant. Basically 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:08.400 after Justinishbia left. It just felt like there was momentum times, 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.680 but the thing it always lacked was big fish. You 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.600 always need an anchor investor like the guy with the 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.040 big Bucks. The Twins had a ton of interest from 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:21.560 limited partners, and we saw that play out right here, 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:28.040 where two groups investing at least twenty percent into the club. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:30.399 We're willing to. 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.760 Buy it up without having a path to control, without 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.880 having anything more than a seat on the board. 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:37.720 And so that's two seats on the board. 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.759 We don't know how big the board is, we don't 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:42.280 know how much voice they will actually have. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.560 That's a very unique, unusual deal. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.840 There was plenty of people like this that were interested, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:54.600 but I think after Justinishbia kind of left and abandoned 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.760 has pursued of the Twins in January when the when 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:03.320 Jerry Reinsdorf's sons reached out, they really couldn't find someone 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:04.800 that wanted to come in. 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:07.320 And so this this team sat on the market. 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.440 And there's only so long that you can keep the 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.040 house on an open market before the value starts to 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.640 go down and bids get less. The MLB wasn't going 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.760 to let that happen. I think that you know, it 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:22.320 sat there forever, and they had groups still spinning their 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.560 wheels trying to put stuff together, and we wrote about 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.679 that that there were still investors meeting yesterday trying to 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.279 figure out a way to get there, and they were surprised, 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:35.040 blindsided to see this sale happen the way it did, 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:39.760 the partial sale, but I mean that was the Option's 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.600 been there for six months. The price hasn't changed, and 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:45.480 like I think, just at some point the Pullouds had 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.400 to kind of pull the plug, and by doing this 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:53.000 they infuse much needed cash without giving up power. This 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.240 probably positions them for a sale down the road, even 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.200 though they say they're committed, and I didn't include that 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.840 in the story today, but Joe pull D said, we're committed, 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:07.600 but it probably positions them after the next CBA for 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.840 selling them when franchise. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.480 Values might be higher. The fact that they will have 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:13.519 half the debt. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:18.640 Or somewhere in that realm a significant amount less with debt, 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:21.880 it should increase the value of the Twins and position 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:25.440 them well later. But I mean, you know, Twins fans 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.919 have been clamoring for this for probably decades since. 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:33.400 The contraction bid in two thousand and two. You know, 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:34.400 I mean, if. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.840 There are two thousand and one, the years are mixed 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.400 up in my head here, but you know, like they've 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.360 been clamoring for a sale for a long time. The 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.840 last ten months we've seen just an overwhelming push for 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:48.440 them to sell from fans, and I think they're very 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.760 disappointed today. And I certainly would not want to be 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.839 in the season ticket holder office talking to those guys. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.080 Dan. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.240 It's only if we would have talked about this months 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:00.000 and years ago. I mean, it was two thousand and two, 0:04:00.040 --> 0:04:01.800 by the way, contraction because I was on the team 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:03.680 they want to get rid of it. It was between 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:05.760 two thousand and one and two thousand and two US 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.200 and the Expos they were talking about contracting, getting rid 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.320 of the the franchises for whatever reason they want to 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.680 come up with. Whatever it was all bs. So here, 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:15.760 here's the thing, Dan about this. You just mentioned that 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:17.960 the pole Ads didn't want to sell, and they wanted 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.320 Joe Polad to be on the board, and they wanted, 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.440 you know, grand grandson Polad to be on the next 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.400 board and then the great grandson of that to be 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.080 the president twenty five thousand years from now. I mean, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:31.000 there was all these stipulations, right, So they never really 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.560 wanted to sell. That's what it comes across to me. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.640 Unless they got blown out of the water, it wasn't happening. 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:37.359 You know there's a possible workstop it's coming out. But 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:39.840 what gets me about all this is we're the right 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:43.000 people to run this team? Are you? Because I was 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.680 there when Carl Pohlad the grandfather, would walk in the 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.039 clubhouse and not know who the players were, and I'd 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.520 be standing in my locker and he would go, oh, hi, 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:54.159 Tory Hunter, and I'm like, uh no, I'm not Tory Hunter. Right, 0:04:54.240 --> 0:04:57.360 So like things like that, it was like, wait a second, 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.279 that was twenty five years ago and we're still talking 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:02.359 about it, right, So how can they come out and 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.200 say we were the right team to or the right 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.400 people to write the ship. 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:08.680 You haven't writed it in twenty. 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.040 Since nineteen ninety one, let's be honest, since that's been 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.400 since nineteen ninety. 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:17.000 One, right, No, Look, I mean just on recent examples alone, 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.520 they're going to miss the playoffs for the fourth time 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.680 in five years this season. Are in some miracle comeback 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:24.960 that's not going to happen. They are on pace for 0:05:25.440 --> 0:05:27.680 one point eight million tickets right now. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:28.960 It's going to be the lowest. 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.040 I think it's currently on pace for five thousand more 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.240 tickets than the all time target field low. They're going 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.960 to miss that. People are gonna not show up. They'll 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.680 they'll end it probably sub one point eight million. They 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.800 don't have secured a they have not secured a market 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:50.960 media deal like significant deal there. There's lots of things 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.839 to point out right now to say this isn't going well. 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.440 So when I heard that, I mean, yeah, of course, 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.240 that's why it's in the headline. There's a little bit 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:02.880 I get they're excited Joe Pollad, this really gives. 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:05.640 Him run as a shot, and it. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.320 Clearly was probably up in the air the last couple 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.240 of years. I do think if they had gotten the 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:10.800 right deal, they would have got out. I think that, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.520 you know, it's a big family. Started with Carl Pohlad, 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.960 but he had three sons. There are now seven grandchildren, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.680 and then all of them have kids, and you're talking, 0:06:20.800 --> 0:06:24.400 you know, a huge family. Not everybody has the same interests. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.760 One of the brothers is in. 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.480 The movie industry, like they you have diverse interests when 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:33.279 you have a big, rich family. I don't think everybody 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.840 is totally on board. I think a handful definitely are. 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.120 But there's been just this air of uncertainty, and I 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.560 think had they gotten that big offer, they would have 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.400 taken it just because how do you pass that up? 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:51.760 But it's been just awkward, and you know, like you said, 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.200 the statement, the phrasing. This is the same group that 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:57.560 said they wanted to right size the business last spring 0:06:57.640 --> 0:06:59.280 training after the thirty. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:06:59.960 Million dollar pay cut. 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:03.599 They make headlines from time to time that have not 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.880 been flattering, to say the least, and frankly anger fans 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:09.520 and I can understand it. 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.240 And you know, Joe pull Out as a friendly dude. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:16.040 I enjoyed my interactions with them, but this is two 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.000 statements like that where it's like, you know, those aren't 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.240 the best statements, and they make headlines and they stick 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:24.880 around for a while, and I think fans will definitely 0:07:25.440 --> 0:07:27.680 use that for a while, especially if the team isn't 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:28.960 able to turn this around now. 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.720 I mean, clearly they infused a. 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:35.240 Lot of talent the deadline, even though they salary dumped 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.680 Carlos Correa. You look at their pitching, there's some really 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.760 intriguing arms along with still having a lot of starting pitching. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.640 Intact. You saw Joe Ryant last night. 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:46.440 Bailey over maybe looks like he's getting back on the 0:07:46.520 --> 0:07:49.640 right track. Pablo Lopez is around the corner. Zebbie Matthews 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.320 looked pretty good Monday a Yankee Stadium. And then you 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:55.320 have TODJ. Bradley of Mike Abel and you have Kendrick Rojas. 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.600 I mean you have some good starting pitching. 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When they said we're the right people to 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.280 write this ship, what does writing the ship look like? 0:09:19.480 --> 0:09:24.240 Or have started turning the runner because history shows you 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:30.280 they've had good pitching. History shows you they've had infusion 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:33.640 of really good position players. Now they have Byron Bucks 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.000 News healthy and you think Royce Lewis is gonna get 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:39.080 better because he actually plays worse when he's playing all 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.200 the time, and he plays better when he's hurt all 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.280 the time. So you know, it's it's you have that infusion, 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.080 it's the same Twins team. What does the writing of 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.360 the ship actually look like? If that is true? 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:52.840 Yeah, it's it's hard to say. 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.560 Look, the previous plan, the plug got pulled after the 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.920 playoffs when they signed Carlos Career. I want to say 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.319 the day that Christian Vosque has signed was the day 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.360 Korea was going to have his press conference with the 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.520 San Francisco Giants, and I sat in Joe Poulad's office 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.840 that day with Dustin Morris, communications director, and we talked 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:14.920 about what payroll could look like if the business was right, 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.440 and Joe Poled said there was a world and I 0:10:17.520 --> 0:10:19.520 used the quote, there's a world in which if the 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.480 business is healthy and the team is ready, I could 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.760 see us having a one eighty two hundred million dollar 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.240 pay well. I floated the numbers, one eighty two hundred million, 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:28.559 and he said, I could see. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:33.120 That being a reality. That was the plan. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:36.640 Then they signed Carlos Korea. Three weeks later. They had 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.640 the record payroll that year was either one hundred and 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:42.120 fifty seven million dollars or maybe one sixty But then 0:10:42.120 --> 0:10:43.920 they pulled the plug on that year. Later they cut 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.120 payroll by thirty million dollars. They stopped adding around that group, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.400 so it's kind of incomplete, like you're seeing what is 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:53.880 left of that now, which is a not an athletic team. 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.600 Luke Kishaw has been a breath of fresh air because 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.120 he is athletic. Roys Lewis is starting to show some 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.920 of the signs of that again because he's looking healthy. 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:05.360 Byron Buckston clearly is one of those guys. Now we're 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.000 going to see them go in this younger athletic direction. 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.160 I wouldn't say they're going to go what the Rays 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:15.400 are doing or the Milwaukee Brewers are doing, but I 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:16.760 mean it wouldn't shock me if. 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:21.200 They try to go in a new direction. It's yeah, 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:22.520 it's confusing. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.880 If I was a fan, i'd be frustrated that July 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:31.240 thirty one was a dark day. I mean, I've struggled 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.440 to find anyone that can tell me at any point 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:36.480 where they've seen ten players traded. And by the way, 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:40.760 I apologize for my camera, this is not optimal, but 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:45.439 you know, this has been a really rough stretch and 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.959 what getting right looks like, I don't know. I think 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:53.080 that's why fans wanted a fresh perspective coming in, a 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:56.080 clean break, and clearly we're not getting that, and you 0:11:56.160 --> 0:11:58.199 have to wonder what the future holds. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 Okay, I got to ask because Falve came out and 0:12:01.440 --> 0:12:04.320 said he was directed by ownership to trade everybody. But 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.040 now the ownership saying we didn't say that, So who 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:08.160 wanted to fire sale? 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:08.760 You brought it up. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:11.520 They traded, you know what, almost half their team away 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.800 in like four hours, So who was it on. Was 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.440 this a fallavi decision, Was this a whole out decision, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:18.960 or was it the fans are going to be mad 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:20.520 at me, so we'll just do it anyway's decision. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:25.439 I think Korea was definitely something from an ownership level, 0:12:26.600 --> 0:12:29.800 the impending free agents, that was a given we were 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:34.560 going to see them get traded anyways, you know the 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:37.040 way they've described it is. And I asked Joe Paul 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:39.640 specifically about the deadline yestady, and he said, I thought 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.640 it was good baseball decisions for the long term, short 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.880 term and long term health of our franchise. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:48.640 So I know they plan on using there. I don't 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.440 know how they will use it, because he phrased it 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.920 if we choose to do so. But he talked about 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:55.199 the financial flexibility. 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:57.199 I don't know that the payrel is going to go 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.679 up much from where it is right now, and next 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.080 year it wouldn't shock me if we saw them around 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.160 one hundred million dollars. But I mean, honestly, those aren't decisions. 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:09.800 They're made until October November anyways. But it's going to 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.840 depend on season ticket base and what that looks like. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.840 And I can't see the season ticket holders sticking around 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:16.400 right now. 0:13:16.800 --> 0:13:19.240 It's going to be interesting to see what that fallout 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.439 looks like. But I would say it was directed. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.719 From ownership level, even if they're saying no, they were 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:30.360 motivated to move Carlos Corey's money absolutely the way too. 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.640 I think partly you can say it's Derek Falvey. 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.960 As far as knowing what direction they're heading and knowing 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:38.560 that they needed a talent in fusion. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.320 One way to do that is sell off a good bullpen. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.040 And so I think that's why we saw Louis Varlin 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:48.319 get traded, Griffin Jacks get traded, was hey, we can 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.600 bring in this younger talent that's, you know, high upside 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:53.760 and very attractive. 0:13:54.720 --> 0:13:56.080 Even though Louis Varland. 0:13:55.800 --> 0:13:58.800 Himself had very little service time. They really love the 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.959 guy that got Ken Rojas. They love Alan Roaden. They 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.680 think Alan Roden and I've heard a lot of people say, man, 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.880 this performance has been so consistent across the miners. I 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:09.480 think he at one hundred and sixty five walks, one 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.400 hundred and sixty five strikeouts, and thirteen hundred minor league 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:14.319 plate appearances. They want to see what he can do 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.640 at the major league level they were. They were blown 0:14:16.679 --> 0:14:19.760 away by that offer and decided to make that. So 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.720 it wouldn't shock me if it was a little boats, 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:22.440 but I would not. 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:23.840 I think think. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.880 Ownership's fingerprints are all over the whole the whole scheme 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:28.680 in general. 0:14:30.520 --> 0:14:33.080 Can you confirm this? Maybe I got trolled on a 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:37.080 story I read. Did the Twins up season ticket prices 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.000 for next year right before the trade deadline? Or did 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.640 I not read that correctly? 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:44.400 You know what? I honestly, I doe. There's been too 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.600 much going on. I don't know. I'll look into that 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:49.160 and get back to you guys, But the last three 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.800 weeks as of bar it's just a bo kratzy. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:53.840 I'll tell you what happened. I was told that they're 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.560 going to up at five percent. So I could be wrong. 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.680 I could be trolled. I could be been given bad information, Dan, 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:01.320 I don't know. It was something that I was told 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.600 from people not in the organization that I know outside 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:08.000 the organization, that said there's there was a rumor and 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:10.080 they think it's fact that the ticket prices are going 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.880 to go up five percent next year and so right, 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:14.480 And this was right after the trade deadline when they 0:15:14.520 --> 0:15:16.280 were going to send out the season ticket list. 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:19.960 I mean, I've seen people online today just kind of 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.880 grandstanding showing that they're canceling their accounts. I've heard from 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.320 one person that it's a busy day in there, and 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:28.840 not the fun kind of busy day. 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.200 So it's going to be very interesting. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.600 And you know what, rarely my perspective do you cover 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.360 a team from a the business side of things, But 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.920 clearly that's something that we have to keep an eye on. 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.600 I mean, this is a team that just went to 0:15:42.400 --> 0:15:47.000 MLB run Twins TV this year. You know there there's 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.960 a lot of uncertainty going forward and you know where's 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.120 where ticket sales are to be Next year is gonna 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:53.720 be really interesting. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:53.840 Now. 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:56.440 The one thing that's true is winning does cure all. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.360 And if you put Luke Kishaw and Royce Lewis and 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.680 Byron Bucks and that's starting staff together and get a 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.560 little bit of help here or there, because they do 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.160 have financial flexibility. If they do piece it together, maybe they. 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:09.160 Are an interesting club. 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.920 But there's just more pressure on that team to win 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.240 right now to get the business side going again. 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.400 Yeah, otherwise they're taking the franchise. This is a page 0:16:18.400 --> 0:16:21.480 out of the John Fisher Book of how to move. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.840 But they're not moving and they want to move the team. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:25.760 This is such a mess. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.880 It is and why you know, that's the one part 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.720 is why would you want to move from Targetfield? Target 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.920 Field a spectacular ballpark. I know that April sucks in 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.760 the weather there. If we ever see what a late 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.640 October looks like, that's could be very interesting. But they 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.480 have a long lease at target Field that there. It's 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:45.720 the same reason contraction didn't happen. There was the least 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.600 the Metrodome. The judge ruled that you can't get out. 0:16:48.440 --> 0:16:48.880 Of your lease. 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:52.720 This cannot happen, and that shut down contraction talks real quick. 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:56.760 Twins have like twelve fifteen years left on their lease 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:57.400 at target Field. 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.600 They're not going anywhere, so you know. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:05.080 It really is it's just a really interesting ten months, 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:07.200 last three weeks. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:08.000 It's it's insane. 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.000 Yeah, they could not care less. They have tried to 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.240 move the team, contract the team now fake sell the 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:16.679 team for really over two point one billion dollars if 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.840 you include the debt, and everyone was like that's crazy. 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.159 Someone offered like one point five and they hung up 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.280 the phone, like this is just an utter disaster. But 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:26.760 at least, and I'll end this the way that we 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:29.560 started this, at least this is the right person to 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.239 take them through the storm. Declared by I don't know 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.080 the high heaven. Somebody declared it. No one knows who 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:38.240 it is, but someone declared that Joe paulad is going 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.280 to lead this franchise to glory into victory, and if 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.639 he does, obviously he's going to sell it. So we 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.439 know where they'll be voting, and they'll be trying to 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:47.399 lock out the world. That's why this is a baseball problem. 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.040 They're going to try and lock out the players and 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.760 the fans from watching baseball next year because it would 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.560 raise the franchise value if they can suppress salaries. It's 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:58.040 that simple. Someone can come on and tell me otherwise. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.359 There is no doubt that's where they'll be voting. Behind 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:02.199 the scenes story for another day. We'll get to that 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:03.560 in the off season. Wanted to get to the on 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:06.520 field product here, Dan, we got to jump. But great stuff, man, 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:09.360 thanks for joining us, and good luck with the complaint 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.359 line over there where. It'll be all about the twins 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.280 and the flights are traveling. Everything's good right now. Flights 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.359 are storing Delta is great, all 0:18:17.480 --> 0:18:18.520 Right, guys, thanks for having me.