1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another edition of Packers Unscripted 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: from Packers dot Com. I and Mike Spoffer, joined as 3 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,400 Speaker 1: always by my trust and colleague Wes Hodkowitz. Coming to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: you hear from our studios at Lambeufield and back from 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: our brief summer hiatus, and we are back west because 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: the first practice of training camp is right around the corner, 7 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: and that means tomorrow. Are you ready for this? 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: Not ready for this? Heat? From what I was gathering here, 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 2: ninety degree weather for the first day of training camp. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 2: Should be fun. If you're coming to Lambo, be sure 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 2: to bring water and everything else. I should say, nichgie Field, 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: bring water and all the other things that come along 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 2: with it. But in terms of the actual overall excitement 14 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: of this team, Michael I wrote about it in Insider Inbox. 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: All of the narratives, all the conversation, all the talk 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 2: finally gives way to action. I'm excited to see the 17 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: Packers back on the practice field. 18 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is where it all gets started, the build 19 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: up to the twenty twenty five regular season, which will 20 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: start in early September. There's a fifty three man roster 21 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: to select. There's a practice squad to choose as well. 22 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: After these several weeks of practices, joint practices, preseason games 23 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: and all that get taken care of, a lot of 24 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: storylines heading into this training camp for the Packers. So 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna throw this out as an open ended 26 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: question to you and we can go back and forth 27 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: with the storylines that are sort of top of mind 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: for us individually as we get ready to cover this 29 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: training camp Forpackers dot Com. So what is the storyline 30 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: for this training camp that is at the top of 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: your list? 32 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: I think for me, Mike, it's going to be watching 33 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: the evolution of Jeff Hafley's defense in the second season. 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 2: And there's no right or wrong answer this. There's probably 35 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 2: eight different topics with the way this team is pick configured, 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: the amount of players that are coming back, the amount 37 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 2: of coaches that are coming back. There's a lot of 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: expectation on this year's football team. But Jeff Halfley, really 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: in that defense, arrived to schedule last year, and when 40 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: you think back to some of the things they had 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 2: to do, whether it was injuries or just certain situations, 42 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: the adaptation that was incorporated into that defense for the 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: first half of the season and how they kind of 44 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: built to a crescendo at the end of it. I 45 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 2: think really spoke volumes about his scheme, its malleability, and 46 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: then also the player's ability to adjust to that. Now, 47 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: along with that, one thing I'm very excited to watch 48 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: is just the overall versatility of that group. And I 49 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: know the V word has become kind of almost a 50 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 2: cliche in the National Football League. Everybody talks about versatility 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 2: and multiplicity. But this defense has an opportunity here to 52 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 2: do something I don't remember any Packers defense doing before, 53 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: in that you have two top corners and Nate Hobbs 54 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 2: and Keishawn Nixon who both can play inside and outside. 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: You have Javon Bullard, second round pick from last year, 56 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: who can play the slot. Evan Williams was the PFWA 57 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: All Rookie Team member, and Savior McKinney's the best safety 58 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 2: in football right now. There are so many different things 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: they can do with that secondary. You look at Eddrian 60 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: Cooper at the linebacker position, the defensive front loses TJ. 61 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 2: Slayton but returns everybody else. There's just a whale of 62 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 2: potential there. In addition to everything they already accomplished last season. 63 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are multiple storylines with regard to this defense, 64 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: the first one being as you started Jeff Haffley's second season, 65 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: this is where things get interesting in the NFL, because 66 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 1: anybody can come in as a coordinator, surprise people, make 67 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: a splash, turn things around. Right. What happens in the 68 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: second season when all of your opponents have an entire 69 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: season's worth of film to study of how you deployed 70 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: your players and the different tricks and schemes and everything 71 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: else that you came up with over the course of 72 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four And Jeff Hafley had to come up 73 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: with a lot because, as Matt Lafleur has said many times, 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: they thought they were going to go into twenty twenty 75 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: four with, like, all right, Rush four, Cover seven, let's 76 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: play this pretty much straight up and then throw some 77 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: surprises in here and there. Well, the Rush four part 78 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: wasn't working the way they thought it would or the 79 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: way they planned, and so it became this season of 80 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: simulated pressures and sort of fake blitzes. And it was 81 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: still a lot of rush for Cover seven, but it 82 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: wasn't always the same, guys. It wasn't necessarily straightforward. So 83 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: now what do the Packers' opponents do to react to 84 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: that when now all of that stuff is on film. 85 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: That being said, you have a new defensive line coach 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Covington. As you mentioned, everyone on the defensive 87 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: line is back except for TJ. Slayton. You added a 88 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: couple of pass rushers in the draft and Baron Surrell 89 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: Colin Oliver will see what types of roles potentially develop 90 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: for those guys. And to me, really the most intriguing 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: thing is the back end and some of the guys 92 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: that you mentioned, because when you have cornerbacks like Hobbs 93 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: and Nixon who can both play outside and in the slot. 94 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: You have a safety in Javon Bullard who can play 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: the back end as well as the slot. What are 96 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: the different packages, whether it be the bass, the nickel, 97 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,200 Speaker 1: the doc I'm a big nickel, a small nickel, whatever 98 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: you want to call them. What are the different packages 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: of defensive backs for certain situations that Halfley in company 100 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: are going to come up with to put all of 101 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: this talent in the best possible position to make an 102 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: impact on the field. There are a lot of questions 103 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: in that regard that we don't know the answers to 104 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 1: and we're just gonna have to see it evolve throughout 105 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: the course of the season. 106 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the other aspect of this too, And I 107 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: made this comment throughout the offseason. I think with the 108 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: way the NFL has gone with playing nickel packages almost 109 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 2: as base packages now and how much you're seeing a 110 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 2: guy like Carrington Valentine, who on paper might not be 111 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: a starter based on the base alignment, but probably will 112 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: have a huge impact on this defense this season. You 113 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: have to have a starting five, it's like an offensive 114 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: line now. You have to be able to move guys around, 115 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: You have to be able to weather injuries. Last year 116 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: showed that with Jay r Alexander obviously right. The Packers 117 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: have to be able to have that type of a 118 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: able to make those type of adjustments. Credit to Hafley, 119 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 2: did you did that? Credit to you know, Derek Ansley 120 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 2: and in that cornerback room they adjusted And now how 121 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 2: do you build upon that in this upcoming season. I 122 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 2: think that's going to be really intriguing to watch and 123 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 2: just seeing exactly who could be the next guy that 124 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 2: jumps out and makes a huge impact right off the bat. 125 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: But we did our position by position series and we're 126 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: working through that. Actually it's ending today the Countdown to 127 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: Camp series. And as I was talking about the defensive backs, 128 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: I led with the safety room and the fact that 129 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,919 Speaker 2: that one year renovation that they did, it wasn't just spectacular, 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 2: it was essential to what Green Bay did last season. Yeah, 131 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: and seeing how Xavier McKinney and Williams Bullard, I mean, 132 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 2: shoot katan Aladappo, Zane Anderson, seeing how that group now 133 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: takes that step forward, I think we'll have a similar 134 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: ramification on how this defense performs in twenty twenty five. Yeah. 135 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: I think when we look at the defense as far 136 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: as position battles, so to speak, on that side of 137 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: the ball, the only one that really jumped out at me. 138 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously some issues with depth as far as 139 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: who's going to rotate in you know where, and as 140 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: I said before, what packages certain guys are going to 141 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: be used, and that'll all get sorted out. But in 142 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: terms of an actual position battle, maybe it's that number 143 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: three linebacker that we'll be watching closely. It'll be interesting 144 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: to see if Tyron Hopper, the second round player who 145 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: is a third round draft pick a year ago if 146 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: he can challenge Isaiah McDuffie for that number three linebacker spot. 147 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: I think last year, at this time, neither one of 148 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: us necessarily thought Isaiah McDuffie would be back after the 149 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: expiration of his rookie contract. But he is back. The 150 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: Packers like what he brings, not only in Halfley system, 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: but also obviously on special teams. So that's an interesting 152 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: position battle there. Although training camp is going to start 153 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: with Quay Walker on the pup list, he has an injury. 154 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: He was also injured during the spring, wasn't participating in 155 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: in the OTAs in mini camp that we watched earlier. 156 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: So in terms of who's going to be on the 157 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: field early on in training camp, a bunch of guys 158 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: are gonna be are gonna be getting those reps and 159 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: then we'll see when Walker comes back. Exactly where are 160 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: things with that number three linebacker spot, Because ideally Quay 161 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Walker and Edger and Cooper are the one in one 162 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: a at linebacker who are going to be on the field. 163 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I would imagine about ninety five percent of the time. 164 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's getting to that point now 165 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: where Edgerrin Cooper with all that potential and all that 166 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 2: playmaking ability. There's still gonna be some young guy mistakes, 167 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 2: but you have to let him work through those things 168 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 2: on the field. And certainly kuay Walker now has been 169 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:41,680 Speaker 2: the general that defense for a couple of years now, 170 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: and I feel like when you mentioned the Isaam McDuffie thing, 171 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: I just think he was such a sound investment that 172 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: green Bay made because one, it was a you know, 173 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: a market deal that worked for green Bay. You know 174 00:08:54,920 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: you're not having to bust the bank over it, right. 175 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: He's a special team stallwart. And then when a situate 176 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: like shod like this arises with kway Walker, he can 177 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: go in there and he can call the defense and 178 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: training camp and you're not going to skip a beat. 179 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: Isaiah Simmons is added into the mix. Tyron Hopper is 180 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 2: a third round pick. Christian Welch is back. I made 181 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: this comment in one of the little Q and as 182 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: I did over the off season about how this is 183 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: not the same linebacker unit that I covered my first 184 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 2: few years on the beat where it was aj Hawk 185 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 2: and what outside linebacker is moving to inside linebacker this season. 186 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 2: These guys are all high, high caliber athletes, but also 187 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: hugely credentialed, you know, middle linebackers in this league, so 188 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 2: definitely the deepest I think Green Bay has ever been 189 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 2: there during my time here, and seeing exactly who rises 190 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: to the top of that, it's going to be a 191 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: very interesting storyline to follow throughout training camp and honestly 192 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: throughout the regular season. 193 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Isaiah Simmons is kind of the wild card 194 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 1: in this whole linebacker mix, right because maybe he's got 195 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: a chance to be the number three linebacker. I guess 196 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit more intrigued just to see what 197 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: kind of a role Jeff Haffley wants to carve out 198 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: for a guy like that who has plenty of NFL experience, 199 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: brings you know, a different type of skill set and 200 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: whatnot to the table. He's sort of this great unknown 201 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: sort of in the mix here as far as a 202 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: veteran player goes so very intriguing. There one last thought 203 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: on the defense before we switch sides. I think the 204 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: other thing that we'll be watched very closely through the 205 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: preseason games and as we get down to roster selection 206 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: time is how is the depth in the cornerback room 207 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: going to sort itself out? Because you have Nixon and 208 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: Hobbs and Valentine, and you have a safety like Bullard 209 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: who can play in the slot. But beyond those top 210 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: four where things are gonna fall depth wise, at cornerback 211 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: is kind of a complete unknown right now. Maybe Kamal Hadden, 212 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: who is a former sixth round pick of the Kansas 213 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: City Chiefs, maybe he makes a run at things. Jonathan 214 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: Baldwin is a highly touted, un drafted rookie that the 215 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: Packers have brought in. You drafted Michael Robinson in the 216 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: seventh round. You drafted Kaylin King in the seventh round 217 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: a year ago, and he spent the bulk of his 218 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: rookie season on the practice squad. A lot of candidates, 219 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: but a lot of unproven players whom you know will 220 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: be called upon at some point during the course of 221 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 1: the season. So figuring out who is cornerback four, cornerback five, 222 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: cornerback six, how does that shake out? That's something that 223 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: will be worth watching. 224 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, Gregory Jr. The Packers signed him to former 225 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 2: draft pick of the Jacksonville Jaguars, I believe, and as 226 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: it turned out and OTAs he ended up running with 227 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: the ones because of some of the injuries that they 228 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 2: had that flared up there, So that's right. I feel 229 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 2: like this reminds me this is not the first time 230 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 2: the Packers have done this. It reminds me of a 231 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,719 Speaker 2: few instances at various positions where Green Bay just has 232 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 2: a wide breath of talent there, a lot of young 233 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: talent and just seeing exactly, okay, who's gonna kind of 234 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: grab the brass ring and then sort of a ses 235 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 2: beyond that. I mean, they've shown in the past too. 236 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: If they need to go get a Rasul Douglas off 237 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 2: the you know, practice squad of the Arizona Cardinals, they're 238 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 2: going to do that, right, But they have so much 239 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: versatility at that group that I think Green Bay is 240 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 2: allowed to sort of experiment a little bit without having 241 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: to commit to a veteran like some other teams have 242 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,719 Speaker 2: done throughout the offseason. And the biggest key to that, though, 243 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: is going to be the health of not only the 244 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: incoming you know superstar here the way he's positioned in 245 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 2: Nate Hobbs, but also in Keishaw Nixon, because those are 246 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: your perimeter depth along with Carrington Valentine. And when you 247 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: look at this game, and I've said this time and 248 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,560 Speaker 2: time again, the farther you get from the quarterback, it 249 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: seems like the more essential those positions have gotten in 250 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: the NFL. Between receivers, cornerbacks, tackles and even now you 251 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: look at a tight end like Tucker Craft, what he 252 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: can do. That's where you're a lot of these games 253 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 2: are won and lost, and yeah, it'll be interesting to 254 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 2: see who who all handles that. 255 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: Well, we'll switch gears to the offensive side of the 256 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: ball in just a second. 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All right, Well, 272 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: offensive side of the ball, I think, at least for me, 273 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: for my money, so to speak, the biggest storyline is 274 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 1: exactly how the offensive line is going to get sorted 275 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: out in this training camp. Now. First off, as we 276 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: are recording this, reports have been out that the Packers 277 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: have signed Zach Tom the right tackle, to a long 278 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: term contract extension. So congrats to Zach. Always good for 279 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: both the player and the team to get something like 280 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: that figured out on the EVA training camp. That never hurts. 281 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: But we're going to have to see just exactly what 282 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: happens with last year's first round pick Jordan Morgan. The 283 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 1: word during the spring was that he could be competing 284 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: at left tackle with Rashid Walker, he might be competing 285 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: at right guard with Sean Ryan for a starting spot, 286 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: or if he is unable to win either of those jobs, 287 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: he probably enters the season as the number six offensive lineman, 288 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: the first guy off the bench kind of thing. I'm 289 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: not in the game of predictions and whatnot. But I'll 290 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: just say this, if you've got a first round draft 291 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: pick who might end up being your number six guy 292 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: going into the season, not exactly a bad place to be. 293 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: No, not at all. And if I may start here 294 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: about the Zach Tom thing, I was sitting in bed 295 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: this morning kind of thumbing through my phone and I 296 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: was thinking about this. With these fourth round picks, if 297 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 2: you look over the last twenty years, the Packers actually 298 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 2: haven't missed on an offensive lineman in the fourth round. 299 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: The cream of the crop obviously Zach Tom, David Bakhtiari, 300 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 2: Josh Sitting, TJ Lang, j C. Tretder. A lot of 301 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: his established playing time came in Cleveland, but played important 302 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 2: snaps for Green Bay two. And then Alan Barber and 303 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 2: Royce Newman are they both are NFL players, Like Royce 304 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: is still in the league even though it's not in 305 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 2: Green Bay. Allen ended up playing several years after his 306 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 2: time in Green Bay. It's not like the Packers just 307 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: had a guy they drafted and just couldn't play at all, 308 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 2: and most of them have been superstars. Just remarkable that 309 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 2: track record. Their Day three has been a very beneficial 310 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 2: day for Green Bay to select offensive linemup. My goodness, 311 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: the work that they've done and how they've built their 312 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: offensive lines. I don't know if you saw that one redraft. 313 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 2: I think it might have been PFF did it? They 314 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: redrafted the twenty thirteen NFL draft. David Bochiardi went fourth overall. Yeah, 315 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: and I think JC was sixteenth or something like that. 316 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Nothing like going from fourth round picks to first round 317 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: picks in a redraft after the fact. 318 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: And the amount of people talk about, you know, money 319 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: and everything else. The amount of draft capital. 320 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: That you save with moves like that, Oh my gosh, it's. 321 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: You can't even measure it. I mean, Lane Johnson was 322 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: a first round pick, right, Luke Jokol, I mean all 323 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 2: these guys. That thirteen was the same year that Fisher 324 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 2: Eric Fisher from Central Michigan went number one. 325 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: To Kansas City City. 326 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, was a fine NFL player, but not to Dave's level. 327 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: Just remarkable. Anyway, I'm getting past what you want to 328 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: talk about here, But again, the overall depth, I mean, 329 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: this all starts for me with Tom in that twenty 330 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 2: twenty two NFL draft class. The Packers got Tom in 331 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: the fourth round. They got Sean Ryan and the third 332 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: and they got Rashid Walker in the seven seven, a 333 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: two year starting left tackle. Now and there are so 334 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: many different superlatives you can go into, but basically, it 335 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: was an extreme rarity that the Packers had three offensive 336 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: linemen from the same draft class start every game for 337 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: them last season. Ryan stepped up in a major way 338 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 2: after Jordan Morgan's shoulder crept up on him. For me, 339 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 2: it's not about Morgan's talent. It is about the health. 340 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: If he's back, if he's healthy, if the shoulder's taken 341 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: care of, this guy absolutely is going to push for 342 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: a starting job at multiple positions. The athleticism is there, 343 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 2: the footwork is there. Is just a matter of him 344 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: being on the field. I think that makes the entire 345 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: group better. In addition to the fact that Sean Ryan, 346 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 2: because of what was happening with Elton Jenkins, he took 347 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 2: a ton of snaps at center during the offseason program. 348 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 2: The versatility is there for him too, if he's potentially 349 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: in a swing tackle, swing offensive lineman role. Jacob Munk. 350 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 2: The list goes on and on and on of guys 351 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 2: the Packers have developed on this offensive line. Fortunately, they 352 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 2: didn't have to dig into that depth last year because 353 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: of how guys were healthy up until that wild card 354 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 2: game against Philly. 355 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: Right, And that was the unfortunate thing is as healthy 356 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: as the offensive line was throughout the regular season, you 357 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 1: hit your biggest moment of adversity injury wise in the 358 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: playoff game. And then when you had to dig into 359 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:17,360 Speaker 1: that depth, Jordan Morgan wasn't available and things didn't work out, 360 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: and that that Philly defensive front just controlled too much 361 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: of that football game. 362 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 2: But to get that far, that was the healthiest the 363 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 2: Packers have been on the offensive line in the regular 364 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: season since the twenty fourteen season, and it was despite 365 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 2: the fact that their first round pick was dealing with 366 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 2: that shoulder. It's pretty astonishing what they were able to do. 367 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: But now that competition, everybody's back in the room. See 368 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: who comes out and who prevails. 369 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah there, and you know that based on what happened 370 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: in the playoff game last year, the Packers are really 371 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: gonna look to have not just that sixth guy, the 372 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: first guy off the bench that maybe can jump in 373 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: at tackle or at guard whatever, but a seventh guy 374 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: and an eighth guy so that when you have eight 375 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: guys active on game day, on that game day forty 376 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: eight that if you need to dip into the seventh 377 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,919 Speaker 1: man or the eighth man, they're gonna feel confident in it. 378 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: And there there are some good offensive linemen in this Packers' 379 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: position room right now who are not going to make 380 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 1: this team because the competition is such and quite frankly, 381 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: I think we can say the same thing about what's 382 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:29,679 Speaker 1: going to transpire at wide receiver. We all know the situation. 383 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: You have your top four guys from last year back. 384 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: You drafted two guys in the first three rounds of 385 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: this draft in Matthew Golden and Saveon Williams. You signed 386 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: Mkole Hardman as a free agent from Kansas City, and oh, 387 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: by the way, you also have contributors like Malie Heath 388 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: and Bow Melton who have made an impact in games 389 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: when they've been out there. There isn't room for everybody 390 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: that's just going to be you just have to put 391 00:19:57,040 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: it out there. Some of these guys are not going 392 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: to make it on this team this year. The competition 393 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: at wide receiver is going to be pretty fierce. 394 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: And it's going to go in so many different levels 395 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 2: and phases, right, I mean, bo Obviously, people made so 396 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 2: much noise about him, you know, playing a little bit 397 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 2: of cornerback ding the offseason program, the thing that nobody 398 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: talked about. He's really their only returning gunner right now. 399 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 2: Robert Rochelle's gone, Yeah, Corey Balentine has gone. Bo Melton 400 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: has had a huge impact on special teams in addition 401 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: to the fact that in twenty thirteen was the first 402 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 2: receiver to have one hundred yard game against Minnesota. There 403 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: are so many different ways you can slice this, but 404 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, man, when you add in a 405 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 2: talent like Matthew Golden, you add in Savion Williams, not 406 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 2: the pressure but just the overall ceiling of that room 407 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 2: continues to go up. I made a comment and insider inbox, 408 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know about you, but from just 409 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 2: strictly an x's and o's perspective, watching Golden in OTA's 410 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 2: in mini camp, I am absolutely just elevating at what 411 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 2: this guy could do with this offense. Because he's not 412 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: just a straight line four two nine receiver that's going 413 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: to be on goal balls and in those type of things. 414 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: They are going to use him in short area situations. 415 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: You know, there is going to be. He is quick, 416 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: he gets in and out of his his you know, 417 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 2: breaks very fast. 418 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,679 Speaker 1: He's already become a fun player to win. It's incredibly 419 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: fun towards There's no doubt about it. 420 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: And just the way he knifs through a zone defense 421 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: and that Like, again, I'm not guaranteed this kid's gonna 422 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 2: have twelve hundred yards the first year. But when you 423 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 2: talk about the first receiver that the Packers have picked 424 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: in the first round in twenty two years, twenty three years, 425 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 2: this is the type of athlete that you're looking for. 426 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: In addition to the fact that Savian Williams played ninety 427 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: five different positions at TCU, In addition to the fact 428 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: that Christian Watson was doing sprints during these practices on 429 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 2: the sideline. Again, we have to see where this goes. 430 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: He's on the pup. Time will tell when Christian Watson 431 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 2: number nine is available. But I've said this to people before. 432 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: If you're not at a good place in your rehab, 433 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 2: the Packers will not allow you to be down in 434 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: practice with a knee injury of that significance. 435 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: You can't be out there, yeah there, and they're not 436 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: going to let you just stand on the sideline and 437 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: watch and whatnot. So yeah, I'm really interested to see 438 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: exactly now. I'm still not expecting Christian Watson to take 439 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: the field in training camp, and if that holds, then 440 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: at least at the start of the season, there will 441 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: be kind of an extra spot on the fifty three 442 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: for wide receiver that wouldn't otherwise be there, or that 443 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: won't be there when Watson is cleared and is able 444 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: to come back. So that is one thing to watch. 445 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, what we saw in mid June of Christian 446 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: Watson when he was doing his rehab off to the side, 447 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: all of us in the media, you know, it was 448 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: like our you know, jaws were on the floor because 449 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: you start doing and you're like, the injury was in January. 450 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: It was week eighteen of the regular season. He had 451 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: the surgery at some point later that month or whatever. 452 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: But it's like here, it is June and that injury 453 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: was in January, and you're looking at a guy that 454 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,119 Speaker 1: you wouldn't even think anything was wrong with. 455 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 2: So I've stopped trying to figure out acls after like 456 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: the King Sanigbari thing last year. I'm done trying to 457 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: diagnose players just when they're out there. They're out there. 458 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: But to the original point you were making, just to 459 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 2: close on this, the Packers have a receiving cores. Where 460 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: as soon as you get to talk about one player like, oh, yeah, 461 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 2: Dontavian Wicks, Oh, Jaden Reid's been the leading receiver of 462 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 2: the past two seasons, Romeo Dobbs and before anyone writes off, 463 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: m Coole Hartman. Hartman was taking a lot of the 464 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 2: kickoff in punt return snaps during the offseason program. 465 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: He also was the star of mini camp at wide 466 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: receiver at those last couple of days. I mean, there's 467 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: no denying that. 468 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: So it's it is an astonishingly deep group and seeing 469 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: exactly Yeah, they have to cut a roster. Yeah they're 470 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: gonna have X amount receivers in week one, But what 471 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 2: Matt Lafleur decides to do with that group, Jason Vrabel, 472 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,360 Speaker 2: Adam Stenovich, how they want to use these guys? Yeah, 473 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 2: I mean Jordan loved Man. We didn't even talk about 474 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs. I mean, like Tucker Craft, Luke Musgrave is back. 475 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: I mean, those are the storylines for the regular season, 476 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: maybe not so much in training camp, but I do 477 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: what you bring up Jacobs. One last thing I do 478 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: want to touch on with regard to the offense before 479 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: we go is how is the depth at that position 480 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: going to sort itself out behind Jacobs? Because you have 481 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: Marshaun Lloyd, third round draft pick a year ago, ended 482 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: up sort of taking a quasi red shirt year because 483 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: of the various injuries and whatnot that he dealt with. 484 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: But you've got Lloyd, You've got Emmanuel Wilson, You've got 485 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: Chris Brooks. Both Wilson and Brooks played a ton last 486 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: year behind Jacobs and made significant contributions in their own right. 487 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: So who's going to be that next guy up behind 488 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: Josh Jacobs at running back? I think that's an interesting 489 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: question that this training camp in preseason is going to answer. 490 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, and how those guys all built off of each other? 491 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 2: That could have been I wrote this in the offseason, 492 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 2: but that could have been a very difficult situation for 493 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 2: Green Bay when AJ Dillon goes down and Marshaw Lloyd 494 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 2: deals with a hamstring injury and lower body injuries that 495 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: keep him out on the shoulder injury too that kept 496 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 2: him out for all but one game against Indianapolis. Right, 497 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 2: that could have been just a disaster. Emmanuel Wilson made 498 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 2: that a second thought, and it was funny. One of 499 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: the things that I was talking to Wilson about this offseason, 500 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: he mentioned, you know, Chris Brooks has been working with him, 501 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: showing him how to play that second RB role that 502 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 2: Brooks really excelled at, almost like a full back h 503 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: back type role during the second half of the season 504 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: when they did some of those packages. Once he got 505 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: established in this offense, Chris Brooks comes in out of 506 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 2: nowhere with Miami and ends up being a very stable 507 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 2: option as a pass protector and a pass catcher and 508 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: ends up getting his first career touchdown. I mean, it 509 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 2: just goes on and on and on. And I'll tell 510 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 2: you what, Mike, when you hit on your draft picks, 511 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 2: when you make good free agent decisions, this is what happens. 512 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 2: You open up a window for yourself because you can 513 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: look at all these positions and you can go one A, 514 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: one B, one C different guys that you could turn 515 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 2: to based on game plans, depending on injuries. That's where 516 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: the Packers are at right now. And that's why you 517 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 2: and I have said routinely this offseason, this is the 518 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: deepest roster. When you look at the full fifty three, 519 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,240 Speaker 2: when you look at a full seventy in the end season, 520 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: with the practice squad a full ninety in the off season, 521 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: and watching that all play out in this practice field 522 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 2: this summer is going to make for some really entertaining football. 523 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the personnel department is going to have a 524 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:38,439 Speaker 1: lot of difficult decisions to make when decision time comes. 525 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: But that's the goal. You don't you wouldn't have it 526 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: any other way. You want to have difficult decisions because 527 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: if all the decisions are easy, then the personnel department 528 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: probably didn't really do its job. And this personnel department 529 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: has built has built a ninety man off season roster 530 00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 1: that is very impressive. And how it all to gets 531 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 1: selected pared down. And there are things that are going 532 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: to come up, injuries and whatnot that will come up 533 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,120 Speaker 1: over the course of the next month that are going 534 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: to factor into the decision as well. There will be 535 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: unforeseen things coming down the road. But the bottom line 536 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: is the vast majority of the decisions are going to 537 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: be tricky. They're going to be difficult, But that's what 538 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 1: a personnel department's job is is to make its own 539 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: job difficult, right, and and so we'll have to see 540 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: how it sorts itself. 541 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 2: You don't want to lose players. But at the same time, 542 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: if you end up at the end of a training 543 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 2: camp and none of your guys get claimed, none of 544 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 2: your guys get signed, nobody tries to bring in any 545 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 2: of your free agents as practice squad players, that's not great. Yeah, 546 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: And when you look at last season, Green Bay lost 547 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 2: a number of guys at the end of camp. Christian 548 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: Welch ended up being one of them. He's back, but 549 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 2: they're in a position right now and that it just 550 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 2: it gets so exciting the way you could you could 551 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 2: really orientate a roster based on the talent that you have. 552 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're presently well. It all gets started on Wednesday 553 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: at ten thirty am Rainischki Field, I will there. You 554 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: will be there, yeah, with the sunscreen on and uh, 555 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: probably in my back pocket for a reapplication at some 556 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: point during practice. But with that we'll call it a 557 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to 558 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of the team, all of 559 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: our coverage of training camp. We'll have it for you 560 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: on Packers dot com and we will do our best 561 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: to resume two episodes of Packers unscripted per week from 562 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: now until who knows right. 563 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 2: Wes, Yeah, till the end of the season. 564 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,679 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for everybody, and we will see you 565 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: next time.