WEBVTT - The Terminator & Terminator 2: Judgment Day 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.720 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.880 --> 0:00:07.760 women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:13.520 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.000 it with the beck Del Cast. Hello and welcome to 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.319 the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante and my 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:23.600 name is Jamie Loftuz. Happy three year anniversary, Jamie. I 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.320 know this is so exciting. It doesn't feel like it's 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.720 been that long. But it also it's been like the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:32.440 weirdest three years in the history of the country, so 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.680 it also feels like forever true congratulations, congratulations to you. 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.519 Here we are. We just got fished. Talk us. We 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:48.880 just all still a vista babies least bitch now this 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:53.800 sweet we neo lived in We did it so today. 0:00:53.920 --> 0:00:56.080 That is why it's just the two of us, just 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:59.040 the two of us. We're doing a little celebratory three 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.720 year anniversary episode. We got our fish tacos. We watched 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:07.520 two movies, not one, and I'm excited about it. Yes, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:10.520 So before we jump in, just the regular biz out 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:12.600 of the way. Oh yeah, what is the podcast? What 0:01:12.720 --> 0:01:14.720 is who are we? What have we been doing for 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:21.760 three years? Good Lord? Honestly, existential couldn't tell you. Well. 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:26.959 This is our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. Uh, 0:01:27.000 --> 0:01:29.959 and it is based around or As a jumping off 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:33.160 point for our discussion, we use the Bechtel test, Yes, 0:01:33.319 --> 0:01:36.920 sometimes called the Bectel Wallace test. Absolutely, and that is 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.720 of course a media metric developed by cartoonists Alison Bechtel 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.080 that requires that two female identifying characters in a movie 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.800 have to have names, they have to talk to each 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:52.040 other about something other than a man for at least 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:56.960 two lines. By our standards, are are relatively low standards changed, 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.440 it's time to I mean, it's the tricky as if 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.520 we demand more nothing from that exactly. Oh what a nightmare. 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:07.080 You know, maybe we should have gone. It would be 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:08.799 funny if we were, like, I think you start a 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:15.160 feminist movie podcast or James Cameron fan podcast. This episode 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:19.200 would have a little bit of a James Cameron is 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:25.760 was it was going multitudes going on with that person. 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:30.480 We're talking about Terminators today because the new one just 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:33.800 came out about a month ago. I I did not 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.240 see it. I saw it, and I have a little 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.400 bit to say so, so if you haven't seen it yet, 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:43.080 I'll give us spoiler warning a spoiler warning, but we'll 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.760 talk about that a little later on. But these are 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.279 some of my favorite movies, which is why I insisted 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.360 that we do them. So what is it? What is 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.920 your history with the Terminator franchise? And like these two specifically, 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:56.400 by the way, we're coming the Terminator and Terminator to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:03:00.160 Judgment Day. Correct. I saw them both when I was 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:06.799 sixteen years old. Yes, because my family owned not unlike 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:12.600 the James Cameron Titanic two VHS tapes, did they sell 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.639 it in a bundle? Yes, so my family had the 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:20.320 T one and T two VHS bundle box set and 0:03:20.800 --> 0:03:23.760 they were in my house for a few years, but 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:26.400 I just didn't pay them any mind. And then one 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.360 day I was like, I'm sixteen years old, It's time 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:36.480 for me to watch Terminator and Passage. And I watched 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.280 them both on the same day, back to back, and 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.920 I loved them, especially T two, which is I think 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.200 widely considered the favorite the better movie, although there I 0:03:47.200 --> 0:03:51.240 I met a number of people who like Terminator one better. Uh, 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.840 and I think they're silly, but also, you know, to 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.240 each of them, but yeah, I would I would rank 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.200 T two among my like top ten favorite movies of 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:08.560 all time. But to this day I love that movie particularly, 0:04:08.600 --> 0:04:11.280 and just I mean, well, okay, so then I saw 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:13.080 those and I was like, I guess I'm a huge 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.440 Terminator fan now, so I have been for you know, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:21.600 going on fifteen plus years. I saw a Terminator three 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.239 Rise of the Machines in theaters. It was terrible bad. 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:29.200 I saw a Terminator Salvation in theaters it was like fine, 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:31.159 but I never felt the need to watch it again. 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:38.200 Skipped Terminator Genesis and Denis Connor. Right, yeah, but then 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:44.040 I did see Terminator Dark Fate on opening day. Okay, 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:48.440 what's your history, Jamie. Nothing. I didn't care about him, honestly, 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.160 not crazy about him. Now. I liked T Too a 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:55.960 lot from a feminist perspective. There's a lot about T 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:59.359 two in particular to love. I love watching Sarah Connor 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.800 kick ass. It's just not if you've been listening to 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:03.760 the podcast, this is never going to be a movie 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:08.440 that appeals to me. I don't like eighties blockbusters in general. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.440 I get dragged in the reviews sometimes and I have 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.680 this to say, sorry for being so fucking young. No, 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.240 I just I've never seen these before. Prepping for this 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.400 episode because I intuited that they were not for me, 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.080 and that was generally true. I think that there's a 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:28.719 lot of cool stuff to talk about, though, I am, 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.159 I'm I'm excited to talk about it, but especially like 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.239 Terminator one in particular, I'm just like, I mean, it's 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:39.440 the effects are pretty of the time, just like the 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:44.039 Stinth score that's happening. I mean, it's fun, it's fun, 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:47.240 but it's like pretty silly, I like respect to place 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:48.960 in history and all that, and it is kind of 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:54.320 cool from like a filmmaking perspective to see like a 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:57.120 movie that clearly was not being set up to have 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.599 a sequel, then have a sequel and have a sequel 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:02.440 piece so much better because I feel like that very 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.280 rarely happened through And also stuff for Paddington too, of course, 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:08.000 but like I mean, of course, I mean those are 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.440 the two major majorally cited one, T one and T 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:13.960 two and P one and P two and depending on 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.480 who you are, the Cheetah girls. Uh yeah, no, I 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:21.800 I just never gotten around to seeing it, and you 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.200 know now I can't say that anymore. And that's my 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.120 history with the Terminator franchise. I'm not going to see 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.560 the new one because I have to go see Parasite 0:06:29.560 --> 0:06:32.479 five more times. Of course. Yeah, well should we dive 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:36.479 into the recap? Yeah, let's do it. Okay, So i'll 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.080 and I'll do my best to do a more condensed 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:42.440 version of the recap than usual for both movies, since 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.040 we are covering two. So if, if, if things aren't 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:48.719 as through as you like. Um, we do have to 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.680 remind you after three years, it is still a free podcast. 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:57.120 We've been very defensive lately. I mean, honestly, people are 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.800 coming at us more and more like read a book. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.440 I'm like, Uh, we were not really required to read 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:07.039 a book. First of all, we have never purported to 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:12.960 have read a book. True, and we never will nor would. Wait. Okay, 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:18.280 so the Terminator four, But we open in Los Angeles 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:24.280 ever heard of it? In nine? It's a post apocalyptic wasteland. 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.240 Little did they know that we were not even going 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:31.640 to survive until yeah, or that might actually be the 0:07:31.680 --> 0:07:34.600 last year. Maybe they were right anyways, true yeah, yeah, 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.880 but there's a war happening between humans and machines. Then 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:42.960 we cut back to l A. In four, two people 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.760 show up out of thin air. One of them is 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:49.960 Arnold Schwarzenegger, who is a terminator who has been sent 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.600 back in time to kill Sarah Connor. And you see 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.440 his butt, you see use but you see that. I 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:58.200 mean the newddy choices in this movie are I think 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:01.640 very interesting. True, there's more male nudity than female duty 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:08.520 than never happens. The other is Kyle Reese, a soldier 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:11.760 from the Human Resistance in the future who is sent 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.720 back to protect Sarah Connor. Uh. Then we meet Sarah Connor. 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:18.640 She is a young woman. She works as a server, 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.280 but the reason she's being targeted by the Terminator is 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.679 because she is the mother of John Connor, the leader 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.239 of the Human Resistance in the war against the Machines 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.720 in the future, which is good because we all know 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.120 that the value of a woman is ascribed to whose 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:38.480 mother she is. Right, Oh, yes, we'll talk all about that. Um. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:41.200 And the Machines figure out that if they can go 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:44.160 back in time and kill John Connor's mother, then they 0:08:44.160 --> 0:08:47.680 won't have to deal with John Connor. So both Reese 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:51.480 and the Terminator get their hands on some guns and 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:54.320 then they go to try to find Sarah. The Terminator 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.120 starts killing every Sarah Connor in the phone book, and 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:01.319 then he goes to kill Sarah at home, only she's 0:09:01.360 --> 0:09:04.560 not home, but her roommate Ginger is, and the terminator 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:07.280 kills her thinking it's Sarah, right right after she has 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:10.200 sex because it's the eighties, right, because women who have 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:14.319 sex in a you know, scary movie have to die. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:18.200 But again, at least the man dies as well. True. Meanwhile, 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:22.000 the deaths of these other Sarah Connors are being reported 0:09:22.040 --> 0:09:24.439 on on the news and Sarah here's about it, so 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.800 naturally she starts freaking out. And also at this time, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:33.160 Sarah notices that this dude is stalking her. It's Reese, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.920 but she assumes that it's the guy who's been killing 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.520 these other Sarah Connors. Well, but as we know, Caitlin, 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.880 the guy who is talking you actually is your husband, 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.240 is your baby daddy is? I think there's a lot 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.640 of good lessons right at the top. So then the 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:52.520 terminator figures out where Sarah is and he goes to 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:56.439 kill her, but Reese intercepts him and saves Sarah by 0:09:56.440 --> 0:09:59.800 shooting the terminator. Except it's really hard to kill terminators, 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.920 so he gets back up and keeps chasing them, and 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.800 then Reese is like Sarah, come with me if you 0:10:05.880 --> 0:10:09.840 want to live. So they escape, and Sarah's like, what 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.600 the fuck? Who are you? What's going on, which in 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:19.720 fair legitimate questions, and Reese explains everything that I explained 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.719 just a moment ago, including how the Terminator is a 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:29.280 cyborg right armored alloy endoskeleton underneath living human tissue. There's 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.199 a lot of this movie that is just things being 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:35.840 explained to a woman, the alleged protagonist of the movie, 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.200 and also that this Terminator will not stop until Sarah 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:44.480 Connor is dead. He also explains the nuclear war that 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.920 will take place a few years from now, that the 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:51.560 machine started because they became artificially intelligent, and more about 0:10:51.600 --> 0:10:57.000 that in Terminator Too. Oh. Meanwhile, the Terminator is still 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.000 chasing them, and he has terminator vision, so he's very 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:06.560 god finding them great. It's given it's like target detected 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:11.600 and where it's like computer enhanced and hands some great 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:17.119 hack for sure. And then there's a car chase, a crash, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:20.400 and then Sarah and Reese are taken into police custody 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:25.840 and a criminal psychologist, Dr Silberman talks to them and everyone, 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.360 based on the information that Reese gives thinks that Reese 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.120 is crazy because he's claiming to be a time traveler 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:34.320 from the future who was sent back to stop a 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:38.440 cyborg from killing Sarah. Right, So they're like, he is delusional, 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:42.480 and she is also not sure at this point whether 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:45.320 she believes him either. Right. And then the Terminator shows 0:11:45.400 --> 0:11:48.000 up at the police station and we get the famous 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:53.920 I'll be back line and he kills several of the 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.600 police officers, but Reese manages to get loose. He and 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:02.920 Sarah escape again, and Reese tells Sarah he's like, by 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.480 the way, my name is Kyle. And then we realize 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:09.320 that there's Kyle visibility in this movie. I know, you're like, Wow, 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:13.439 we're really making space for Kyle's here. I mean, shout 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:16.400 out to all our Kyle fans on it, but also like, 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:20.720 take a good long look at the mirror. Um okay. 0:12:20.720 --> 0:12:23.400 So then they go to a motel and Reese makes 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.960 some bombs to try to kill the terminator with, and 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.040 then he makes the love and then he makes them 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:32.240 love in what I am so excited to describe later 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.199 it's it's James Cameron's Pervy Corner. Oh, we're going to 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:41.720 read the script. I'm so thrilled I can't wait. Oh, 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.240 it's disgusting. So then the terminator finds them again, and 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:49.040 there's another chase scene in a big explosion which melts 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:55.600 off the terminators like fleshy exterior hot hot literally and figuratively, 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.880 and he chases Sarah and Reese through what I think 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.440 like a robotics factory, some kind of factory and it 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:07.880 looks expensive. Yeah, Reese gets killed, and then Sarah finally 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:11.880 crushes the terminator in a hydraulic press and then she 0:13:11.920 --> 0:13:15.920 said terminated. Fucker. We're like, we're like, whoa, she got 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.440 to do something made you wait to the end. But uh. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.200 And then we cut to a few months later and 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:27.720 she is gregnant. She is greek net as heck with 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:34.520 her son John Greg greg Connor. I mean, wouldn't have 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.480 killed them to call him greg wouldn't have. Wouldn't have 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:41.720 because Kyle Reee made her gregnant. He Greek nodded her 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.880 the yeah for one one shot Kyle over there. Really 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.160 fertile guy that Kyle or her, I mean, I guess 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:53.440 we don't know. Maybe they're both very fertile group effort 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:58.800 after all. And then we see her recording what's basically 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:04.480 a podcast, her for her son, her son John Greg 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:10.280 greg and that is the end of that movie. Now 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:16.760 for Terminator to Judgment Day, which is another biblical reference. 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:21.480 Inside of what we can't deny is the fourteen bajiliant 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.640 Christ narrative trying to not be a Christ narrative. That's 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.080 very true. But until you said that earlier, when we 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.040 were watching T two, it had never crossed my mind 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.400 that this was a Christ narrative. I feel like it's 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.520 because I'm just seeing it though, Like if I had 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.520 seen it when I was young, I wouldn't have. But 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.600 now I'm just I'm so sickly. Even movies I'm loving 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.160 right now are still about fathers and sons. I'm so 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:46.480 I love Parasite. I'll see it a million times. It's 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.000 not even the spoiler. It's a father and son joint. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:53.600 You're just like, I've just we get it. It's complicated 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:57.920 for you guys. There's been a I just whatever, it's 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.720 a father and son. And then this, yeah, I mean 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:06.160 for T two especially. So we open with some more 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:11.200 shots of l A nine being a post apocalyptic wasteland. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.760 Sarah Connor's voiceover kicks in saying that three billion lives 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:22.080 ended on August. That's some like four ship some snappy 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:28.960 snappy snappy the finger. Oh no, I'm Sanos. I wouldn't 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:31.680 not to brag, but I'm fucking cool and I don't 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:36.880 see those movies. Well I'm cool and I do see them. 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:41.520 Mr Thanos and his little glovy. Yes, but this time 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.760 is Skynet, which is the name of my external hard drive. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:51.960 I named it Skynet. Really, there's also a real Skynet now, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.000 like there's a government project called Skynet, which yikes, I 0:15:55.120 --> 0:16:00.920 hate anyway, So August nine is with has been deemed 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:05.000 Judgment Day from the people in the future because of 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.480 this nuclear attack that was initiated by the machines. Right, 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:10.960 So then we cut back to I think it's either 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:15.040 ninety five. I think it is. Wait, let me check, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:19.000 because I think it maybe for some reason, is when 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.280 Judgment Day happens. It's a few years before that. Okay, 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:26.280 never mind, it's and two people show up out of 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:30.720 thin air again. One of them is Arnold Schwarzenegger and 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:35.120 he's bad to the bone. Oh my god. Yeah, and 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.800 then we're like, okay, we know this scene was done 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:45.000 better in the Parent Trap, but nice effort. Jimmy Cams 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.120 and then the other person is Robert Patrick from Spy 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:53.240 Kids Fame, his best known role. That's all we care 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:56.600 that he's done, yes, And both of them are trying 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.520 to reach young John Connor. One of them is trying 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.239 to kill him and one is trying to protect him. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:08.800 Greg Greg Sorry, So Greg Connor has been living in 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.920 foster care for the past few years because his mom, 0:17:12.160 --> 0:17:16.000 Sarah Connor ever heard of her, has been in a 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:20.159 psychiatric hospital because everyone thinks she is delusional when she 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:24.199 talks about Judgment Day and time traveling killer cyborgs, and 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.760 she's trying to escape a number of times. Uh, And 0:17:26.800 --> 0:17:28.920 it seems like she's gotten close, but they keep putting 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.080 her under more and more surveillance, and so now she's 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.680 focused on getting very very strong, right, she's doing pull 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:40.920 up pull ups. Doctor Body Dr Silberman from the first 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.520 movie is there and he's the one who's like she 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.679 is like under his supervision. Um. Then we cut two 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:53.119 Cyberdyne systems where this dude, Miles Dyson is using technology 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.560 from the terminator that Sarah Connor crushed in the first 0:17:56.600 --> 0:18:03.439 movie to develop other technology. Meanwhile, John Greg Connor Greg 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:09.720 is at a greg. He is at a shopping mall 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.879 which may or may not be the Glendelle Gallerria. We 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.320 don't know, Headcannon, it's the Glendale Galleria, and we're like, 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:21.280 go across the street to the Americana right good side? Yeah, um, 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.520 And the two guys who showed up in the beginning 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.760 are both after him. And just when you think Arnold 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:31.679 Schwarzenegger is the bad Terminator again psych he's the protector. 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.800 He's a nice one. The first time I saw this 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:37.000 when I was sixteen years old, I was like, oh, 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:43.000 my fucking good one. And he's but he's like he 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.159 pulls the gun out of the box of roses and 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.280 then he sticks on the rose and you think he's 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.960 going to kill John Connor, but just kidding. He saves him. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.200 So that means the other guy is the bad Terminator 0:18:55.800 --> 0:18:59.359 and he is a T one thousand, a more advanced 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:03.080 model Arnold that he can turn into like animorphus goop. 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:06.639 Doesn't it look like he looks like an animal, like 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.199 if animals had a way bigger. But I'm guessing that's 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.280 why animals was ripping off, like they were trying to 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.720 do that effect. Did you ever watch animal didn't know 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:15.879 it was a TV show about kids that could remember 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.520 the books. Yeah, and they would turn into like Silver 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.560 Group and they're like, I'm an well now kind of 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:26.080 reminded me of that. Yeah, he's made of like liquid 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.480 metal and he can shape shift and then also like 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:32.280 turn his arms into swords. It kind of looks like 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.280 a screen saver too, the way that the liquid metal looks. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:38.120 It looks like an old screen saver, right, I mean 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:42.840 it's like c G I, which was like just the 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.159 very beginning of c G I, but it's like it's 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.639 pretty Yeah, No, it's cool. I mean, even like seeing 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:52.960 the guys shape shift between different people and into Google 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.440 like it is, it still looks scary. Yeah, and then 0:19:56.760 --> 0:20:05.280 John Connor is like, hey, Arnold, ha, we gotta go 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.680 get my mom. So they drive and go to pick 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.720 up Sarah Connor, but she's already like halfway escaped from 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.040 the hospital. In a scene that I now realize kill 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:20.359 Bill is very much ripping off potentially, Um, I feel 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.400 like there's no way. I mean, it's like Quentin Tarantino's 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.439 Saw Terminator too, like because there's i mean, the beats 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.720 are pretty close to identical where it's Sarah Connor. I mean, 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.720 what happens to Uma Thurman's character is like a more 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.399 severe assault, but she's assaulted while she's unconscious. She comes 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:42.720 to and she kills everyone in the hospital or you know, 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.760 injures them beyond and and then is able to escape. Yeah. True, 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.280 it's exciting. So yeah, she's she's well on her way 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:54.000 to escaping. But then she sees Arnold, who she thinks 0:20:54.000 --> 0:20:56.960 it's still a bad terminator, but her son John Slash 0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.760 Gregg is like, no, he's good. Now can you imagine 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.439 the e T S. D of It's got to be 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:05.640 a lot to hear. There's a lot. I mean, well, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.680 we'll talk about that. But the thought about that. Arnold says, 0:21:08.840 --> 0:21:10.640 come with me if you want to live, and that's 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:13.639 the same thing that Kyle Reyes said to her. So 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.200 she's like, I guess I got my boyfriend said that, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.680 who I still love. I guess it's okay. So they 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.680 all meet up and then they get the hell out 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.560 of there and they go and gather some weapons, and 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.560 then Sarah goes after Miles Dyson, thinking that if she 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:31.880 kills him, she can prevent the impending war. He's doing 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.600 all the work to create what will eventually become Skynett. 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:36.800 This is one of my favorite moments in the movie 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.399 because I wasn't sure where this moment is going to go, 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:44.080 and end up being pretty cool, right, because she can't 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:48.000 bring herself to kill him because she's not a terminator 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:52.320 after all. She's wait for it, a mother, a mother 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.680 because she's in front of his family and so forth, right, 0:21:55.960 --> 0:22:02.359 so instead she John, Arnold Miles go to Cyberdyne and 0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:06.800 they destroy all of Miles Dyson's work on Skynet. Miles 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.359 ends up being like a hero. Yeah, yes, and I 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:11.040 hate that he has to die, and we'll talk about 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:14.400 that as well. But the cops show up and then 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:17.920 Bad Terminator shows up and there's a big chase and 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.960 they end up in this steel mill and there's like 0:22:22.000 --> 0:22:26.240 the fun liquid nitrogen slash, like bad Terminator gets frozen 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:32.159 and Arnold's like, ah, still a Vista baby, but the 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.919 Bad Terminator melts himself back together, and then there's some 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:39.840 more fighting and it's long. It's quite long, um. But 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:43.520 then eventually they managed to kill the Bad Terminator and 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:47.480 melt him for good in the liquid steel and then 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.280 Arnold Terminator is like, hey, wait a minute. You have 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:53.320 to kill me too because my CPU chip has to 0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:57.120 be destroyed. And it's sad because he's daddy. Now he's daddy. Now, 0:22:57.280 --> 0:22:59.800 it's right. Greg can't catch a break and he's so 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:04.159 upset he watches his daddy go into lava. You're just like, 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:10.359 oh my god, what is poor Greg? Yes, um, hey, Jamie, Yeah. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.439 I don't know if you noticed this in the movie, 0:23:12.560 --> 0:23:16.120 but when they go to pick up Sarah Connor from 0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:19.520 the hospital, there's a sign at some point that says 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:24.400 she's in Pascadero. That's a six hour That's like, there's 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.800 no need to think about how large California is. But 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:31.359 they're traveling in state. But that's not to say that 0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.439 it isn't a very long voyage. And there's like, I 0:23:34.560 --> 0:23:38.879 think something that Sarah Connor really could have used. Tell me, 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:40.399 what do you think it is? Well? I think this 0:23:40.480 --> 0:23:46.400 is very graceful transition into talking about away suitcases. Away 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:51.760 Caitlin creates thoughtful products built for the way modern travelers 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:55.960 see the world, not those future duface is like Sarah 0:23:55.960 --> 0:24:00.160 Connor people of now, they started with the perfect suits 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.159 and now they offer a range of essentials, all of 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:07.119 which would have made Sarah Connors travels more seamless. And 0:24:07.160 --> 0:24:09.720 you think she'd know that, seeing as she's from the 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.399 near future. You would think you'd think, well, we have 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.880 some away suitcases. We got some, we got some. We've 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:20.200 used them recently. Recently we went to Denver for our 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.639 live shows and then I just used mine to go 0:24:23.680 --> 0:24:27.320 across country to Boston and genuinely like, it's my new 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.200 prop suitcase for the show I travel with, because it's 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.480 just like I genuinely really I really enjoyed my away 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.320 suitcase and it's cute. I've never had one that had 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:43.320 like four wheels. Three sixty wheels are good. Yeah, before 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:46.000 I got my away suitcases, I was just like dragging 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:50.400 my old ones around the cotton or whatever, gravel, whatever. 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:53.120 But what we're trying to say here is that all 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:56.320 of the Way's suitcases are thoughtfully designed to last a 0:24:56.359 --> 0:25:00.960 lifetime with They've got durable exterior shells. They can withstand 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:05.600 even the roughest and toughest of baggage handlers. The inside 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.960