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Speaker 1: This One Bills Live presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 2: Now, how's everybody doing here? On a Tuesday? Chris Brown

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Speaker 2: Steve Tasker with you One Bill's Live this show. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for joining us. We'll be here with you until three

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Speaker 2: plenty to discuss today surrounding the NFL, the Draft, free agency.

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Speaker 2: It is that time of the year and free agent

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Speaker 2: visits Steve are part of this time of year. After

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Speaker 2: we went off the air yesterday, it came down that

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Speaker 2: Colt's free agent safety Julian Blackman was paying a visit

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Speaker 2: to One Bill's Drive on a free agent visit. Four

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Speaker 2: year player contract is up and is looking for work. Today,

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Speaker 2: a report came out that another safety is in town today.

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Speaker 2: Colts Insider reporting this that free agent safety Mike Edwards

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Speaker 2: from the Kansas City Chiefs is visiting One Bill's Drive today.

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Speaker 2: So the Bills, after taking care of some defensive line

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Speaker 2: re signings and taking care of a receiver or two

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Speaker 2: signing Matt Collins, Curtis Samuel, looks like they are now

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Speaker 2: focusing their attention on the safety position and presumably some

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Speaker 2: extra cap room has been created by the contract extension

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Speaker 2: signed by Taron Johnson yesterday We'll get to Tarran in

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Speaker 2: just a second, but I'm just gonna say this. We

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Speaker 2: mentioned Mike Edwards as a good option in free agency

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Speaker 2: about three weeks ago. This is a guy that was

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Speaker 2: not a starter in Kansas City but filled in and

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Speaker 2: started the last five games of the regular season for

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs because Brian Cook, their starter at free safety,

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Speaker 2: got injured. All this guy did was come in and

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Speaker 2: make place. I mean, played really solidly for them on

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Speaker 2: the back end. Some of our MSG viewers just watched

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Speaker 2: his one hundred and one yard return for a touchdown

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Speaker 2: last season, but he replaced Cook as the starting free

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Speaker 2: safety at the end of the year, went all through

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Speaker 2: the playoffs with them as well. Actually left the playoff

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Speaker 2: game here against Buffalo early due to a concussion, but

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Speaker 2: played solidly, put up some good numbers, and is now

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Speaker 2: affording himself an opportunity, presumably on the open market, to

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Speaker 2: Cook's gonna come back and be the starter as a city,

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Speaker 2: So he's looking to start somewhere else in the league,

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Speaker 2: and you know, the Bills will have a free safety

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Speaker 2: role that's opened a competition at the very least.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, turns twenty eight before the season. That gives you,

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Speaker 3: you know, a nice window of his prime of his career.

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Speaker 3: He's been a good player for you know, the early

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Speaker 3: part of his career. Played a ton on the Super

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Speaker 3: Bowl champions last year and critical moments started the game.

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Speaker 3: So that gives you some cachet. Julian Blackman you said,

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Speaker 3: you know yesterday, also a guy.

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Speaker 2: Who's yeah, good player.

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Speaker 3: He's a good player. So once again, maybe we're seeing

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Speaker 3: a history repeat itself where the Bills sign a couple

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Speaker 3: of guys in free agency and all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: they've got a tandem back there. That's pretty special. Hopefully

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Speaker 3: it will.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this news crossed after we went off the air

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Speaker 2: yesterday as well. The San Francisco forty nine ers had

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Speaker 2: a bad clerical error. They had a payroll error which

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Speaker 2: essentially cost them one draft pick in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: and forced their draft pick in round four this year

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Speaker 2: so essentially, the team said that the action resulted from

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Speaker 2: a league review that found administrative payroll accounting errors at

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Speaker 2: the close of the twenty twenty two league year that

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Speaker 2: resulted in a misreporting of the club's cumulative player compensation.

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Speaker 2: That is a no noe. Whether you intended to do

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Speaker 2: it or not, the league really doesn't care. So the

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Speaker 2: NFL determined that the club would have remained under the

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Speaker 2: salary cap at all times regardless of the error, and

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Speaker 2: was kind of a mea culpa, unintentional, but a payroll

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Speaker 2: error nonetheless, and it proves costly. The forty nine Ers

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Speaker 2: their pick in round four moves all the way to

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Speaker 2: the end of the round. What that does is it

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Speaker 2: to one thirty three instead of one thirty four, so

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Speaker 2: So Buffalo's spot moves up a notch in round four.

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Speaker 2: So if you're keeping track, please make a notice.

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Speaker 3: This go went from one thirty one to one thirty five,

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Speaker 3: rolling their eyes. I get it, but yeah, it's not

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Speaker 2: I'm just happy the Bills move up a spot. They're

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Speaker 2: one of the two teams that benefited here.

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Speaker 3: I still wonder why the Bills haven't got didn't get

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Speaker 3: a third round on competition.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, swine, Yeah, I'd like to get a

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Speaker 2: clarification on that.

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Speaker 3: They're catching San Francisco, you know, not carrying the one.

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Speaker 2: But they can't do the math, right, can't do that

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Speaker 2: Tory pick for the Bills.

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Speaker 3: Mental math it takes for the Bills to you know,

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Speaker 3: they lost Tremaine Edmonds and he started every single snap

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Speaker 3: defensively and had the biggest contract for a linebacker in

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Speaker 3: the league and we get nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, swine, love me some of that come on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: Steve has announced its newest sports series that follows past

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Speaker 2: catchers during the twenty three to twenty four NFL season,

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Speaker 2: DeVante Adams, Justin Jefferson, George Kittle, Deebo, Samuel and a

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Speaker 2: Monro Saint Brown. The title of the piece is called

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Speaker 2: Receiver and is going to be produced by NFL Films,

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Speaker 2: Omaha Productions and two PM Productions. They are the same

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Speaker 2: people who put together the series Quarterback last year that

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Speaker 2: profiled Patrick Mahomes, Kirk Cousins, and Marcus Mariotas you watch

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Speaker 2: that series, Noop, I did. I watched it front to back.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty good. I think. I would say for

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Speaker 2: people that cover the league it is less revealing than

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Speaker 2: for you know, regular fans who don't see that kind

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Speaker 2: of access. There is a lot off the field access

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Speaker 2: in the home access that they provided, So I would

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Speaker 2: assume the same for this edition called Receiver, which begs

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Speaker 2: the question why is George Kittle in there? It's a

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Speaker 2: tight end. It's a little puzzling. Yeah, I didn't say

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Speaker 2: pass Catcher said wide receiver or receiver receiver. I guess whatever.

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Speaker 2: Were two Niners on the list there, I mean DeVante Adams,

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Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson, George Kittle, Deebo, Samuel, La Monross, Aint Prout, so.

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Speaker 3: Kittle and Debo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it was a way to

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Speaker 2: save money, one less location to shoot on and travel

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Speaker 3: It's NFL films. They they got money right.

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Speaker 2: But in case you didn't notice, mock drafts were in

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Speaker 2: full effect today in the wake of the first wave

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Speaker 2: of free agency. Mel Kiper Junior for ESPN picked cornerback TJ.

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Speaker 2: Tampa for the Bills at twenty eight out of Ohio

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Speaker 2: state or Iowa state. Personally, I don't see that happening.

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Speaker 2: He also had This was more interesting to me. He

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Speaker 2: also had South Carolina receivers AAVI or Lagett going to

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Speaker 2: tested at the Combine, which included a four to three

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Speaker 2: nine forty at two hundred and twenty one pounds, he

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Speaker 2: round one, and Kuyper already has him there here in

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Speaker 2: the middle of March. I think he's another consideration for

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Speaker 2: Buffalo in that cluster of receivers with Brian Thomas ad Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: I would put Lagett in that category.

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Speaker 3: Also he's right at six ' one weis two twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's gonna also jump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's his his highlight reel is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: He's he's big dude, six one, two thirty two twenty five,

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Speaker 3: two thirty and can scoot exactly the kind of uh

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Speaker 3: but man, oh man, he's heavy and he's thick, and

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Speaker 3: he runs really well after the catch. Uh. He's just

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So when you get down to twenty eight, you've got

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Speaker 3: Brian Thomas Junior, Xavier Legett, or a d Mitchell. I

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Speaker 3: mean one of them is probably yeah, yes, right now.

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Speaker 3: I like Brian Thomas Junior maybe a little bit better.

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Speaker 3: But I think i'd put a d Mitchell behind the

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Speaker 3: kind of whispy. I think a guy is two twenty

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Speaker 3: I know I played at a for about five minutes

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I another guy.

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Speaker 2: Let's see NFL Networks. Daniel Jeremiah meanwhile had Buffalo taking

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Speaker 2: defensive tackle Johnny Newton out of Illinois, considered one of

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Speaker 2: taking Brian Thomas at twenty three after a trade with Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: He had Buffalo passing on ad Mitchell, who went thirty

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Speaker 2: with trades. Arizona trade with Minnesota, because we talked about

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Speaker 2: Right now, if they pull off a trade with a

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Speaker 2: So now you're saying they're gonna get gonna get a Dunza,

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Speaker 2: probably Neighbors or a Dounzay. So now you got that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hello.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 3: I think anyway, whether they move or not, I don't

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Speaker 3: do think I've been back looking at history of quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: It has been of late since the twenty eleven cap

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Speaker 3: rookie cap went into effect. Quarterbacks, the third quarterback take,

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Speaker 3: the third quarterback taken in the draft has etched closer

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Speaker 3: and closer and closer and closer to the two years

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Speaker 3: ago it was the third pick. They took three guys

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Speaker 3: the top of the round, all these quarterbacks. So I

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Speaker 3: think this year you might see four quarterbacks go within

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Speaker 2: cap hit of eighteen to seven if he's traded before

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Speaker 2: June first, he's only an eight point seven million dollar

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Speaker 3: That's a big dead cap hit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they just signed him last year four years,

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Speaker 2: So knowing they're trying to throw him overboard, I think

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Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't, I don't. You know,

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Speaker 3: the Jets are the Jets and they're not the Bills.

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Speaker 3: So Aldlazzard could be sitting there going to listen to wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 3: It was going to be Aaron Rodgers and now you're

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Speaker 3: giving me Zach Wilson and come on, no wonder. I

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Speaker 3: was a disappointment. Everybody was a disappointment last year. Why

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: So I you know, Lizard's probably got some sitting there brou.

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Speaker 2: If there was ever a sure thing at the bottom

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Speaker 2: in ink that the Baltimore Ravens are going to take

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Speaker 2: an offensive lineman in round one at pick thirty because

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Speaker 2: they have now lost three of their five starting offensive

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Speaker 2: lineman from last year's roster. As we know, guard John

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Speaker 2: Lions just signed their other starting guard, Kevin Zeitler, to

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Speaker 3: So to me, pro Bowl guard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, to me, they are a lock to draft

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Speaker 2: tackle Amarius Mims. Jeremiah had them taking corner Cooper de

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Speaker 2: Gene out of Iowa. Now, corner is probably the only

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Speaker 2: the way John Harbaugh and Eric Ticoste have operated, they

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Speaker 2: get their big people first. Yeah, I want to they're

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Speaker 3: I'd almost hate to see Amarius Mims go to Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: That dude, Oh my gosh, he's like superhuman. He's he's

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Speaker 2: like he looks like an avenger. Yeah, he looks like

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Speaker 2: a Wookie. He's that tall. He looks like Chewbacca. The

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Speaker 2: guy's so big. The guy is in nor He's six

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Speaker 2: seven plus. He's like almost he's just shy at six

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Speaker 3: What three forty three forty three forty and he's eleven

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Speaker 3: and a quarter inch hand. He's built like Tarzan though

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Speaker 3: it's not like you know, yeah, he's trim. He's not

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Speaker 3: like Pillsbury dough boy built. He's like Tarzan built.

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Speaker 2: He's he's scary, dude.

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Speaker 3: If I'm I keep saying this every once in a while.

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Speaker 3: I'm about to turn sixty two. If I was built

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Speaker 3: like Amarus Mimes, I'd still be playing.

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Speaker 2: Why would you quit? It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's a space alien. He's so big.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not of this earth.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get his uh wingspan because I know

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Speaker 2: his hand size was eleven and a quarter inches, right,

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Speaker 2: so think about think about the twelve inch ruler you

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Speaker 2: to thumb is eleven and a quarter It's three quarters

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Speaker 2: I want to just find what his wingspan is. I

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Speaker 2: he's got thirty six and a quarter inch arms eleven

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Speaker 2: gonna have to do the player search. It's going to

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Speaker 2: take away with slow, yeah, but I want to get

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Speaker 2: his wingspan too, because I would imagine it's somewhere in

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Speaker 3: Wingspan uh big, you know, you see these guys and

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Speaker 3: I and you kind of do this as a former athlete.

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Speaker 3: We see all these guys and I've done it. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've got and the Bills have tall guys. I think

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Speaker 3: Greg Russou and spent of those dudes. He had a

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Speaker 3: big wingspan, right, And you don't walk around these guys

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Speaker 3: and you say hi to them. You're talk chit chatting

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Speaker 3: pass rusher, how you know how big a circle you

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Speaker 3: have to take a you'd have to take a lunchbox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so far our timing with the Sundial.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I mean this. I'll say this, dude,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to sound like one of those you

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Speaker 3: always hear the old guys go ah, these guys we

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Speaker 3: could play. They we had a really good listen. No, No,

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Speaker 3: the football the players today that come into the National

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Speaker 3: Football League and the guys that have been even in

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Speaker 3: my day, would absolutely stomp any team. Probably any team

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Speaker 3: pre nineteen eighty even the Steeler teams, the great Steeler teams.

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Speaker 3: They would struggle against these guys.

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Speaker 2: They would look as stunned as we would at these players. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I mean you got Mike stepping out on the field.

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Speaker 3: You've got offensive linemen for the Steelers back in then

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Speaker 3: either's six two sixty one sixty two and you know,

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Speaker 3: and whether it was the steroid error or not, those

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Speaker 3: Was his arm length?

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Speaker 2: Oh? His wingspan wasn't available. I'm so disappointed. Oh do

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Speaker 2: you want to know what his top speed was at

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Speaker 2: the on the forty, Like, how how fast he was moving? Sixteen?

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Speaker 2: A little over sixteen miles per hour.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty good for three at.

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Speaker 2: Six seven three forty, that dude's moving all of that

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, so yeah, if he did it, he did.

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Speaker 2: The short shuttle in four to three three.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's only a three step workout for him. That

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Speaker 3: guy like that. I mean, if if there's any way

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Speaker 3: he gets to you, you got to. You gotta grab

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Speaker 3: a guy like that. You gotta grab a guy I

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Speaker 3: like that. That's like this kid, you know, even on

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Speaker 3: our graphic right here on the on the screen. Eight

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Speaker 3: Texas a and m kid that Edgerri and Cooper this linebacker.

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Speaker 3: You get a chance to go on YouTube and watch

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Speaker 3: that dude play and we don't even need a linebacker.

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Speaker 2: Well it's kind of a sneaky need later need some

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Speaker 2: depth there.

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Speaker 3: Edgerin Cooper is a hes the dude. He's a dude.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea about him until I started, you know,

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Speaker 3: getting getting the reports about him. Unbelievable, these guys. And

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Speaker 3: there's a guy halfway down NFL top ranked cornerbacks, halfway

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Speaker 3: down from Missouri Ennis Ri Rickshaw. Tell him the story, brownie.

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Speaker 2: So we're watching we're getting ready for the draft in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two and two years ago. I'm having Steve

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Speaker 2: like watch tape of this player and player. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: we're I got we have a receiver on and I

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Speaker 2: was like, look at him and blah blah blah, and

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Speaker 2: he's going down the sideline and this guy catches him

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Speaker 2: from behind after he ran for like eighty yards and

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Speaker 2: Steve goes, forget the receiver, who's that guy that caught him?

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Speaker 3: So I watched like three plays. We looked him up,

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Speaker 3: and you know how these highlights reels have, you know,

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Speaker 3: they have the game by game by game. So you

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Speaker 3: see like four or five plays a highlight reel of

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Speaker 3: the guy in this game. So I'm watching this receiver

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Speaker 3: and this kid is gardening him, and I'm like going,

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Speaker 3: who's that? Who's that dude? Who's gardening him? This guy

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Speaker 3: looks pretty good, and sure enough it's this corner from

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Speaker 3: Missouri called Ennis Rakestraw.

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Speaker 2: He was a red shirt freshman.

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Speaker 3: He's been on my whiteboard for two years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, full years, and he'll probably I mean if he's

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Speaker 2: not a late round one pick, he's probably top half

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Speaker 2: a second round, he'll be a top fifty pick. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So that's that's the with an early eye with Ennis

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Speaker 1: Rakestraw and this Reke Straw, I just yeah, So there.

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Speaker 3: You go that that's the guy. So there's a there's

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Speaker 3: a bunch of these guys in this draft. Who and

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Speaker 3: let's faate we all do it. If you spend time

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Speaker 3: getting ready for the Bills draft and you go down,

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Speaker 3: you get Let's face it, we all have our favorites.

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Speaker 3: We all have that guy that I know about and

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Speaker 3: nobody else does or I know this. If they picked

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Speaker 3: this guy, he's the guy. If he goes anywhere else,

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Speaker 3: he's going to be great there too. This is the

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Speaker 3: guy they should pick. We all do it and Brownie

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Speaker 3: and I are no different. But that kid Edgerrin Cooper

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Speaker 3: and Ennis Rake might be my favorite guy in the

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Speaker 3: entire shot.

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Speaker 2: Bills.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have no shot to getting them because there

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Speaker 3: it's wrong position, wrong moment in history for the Bills

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Speaker 3: to get him. But just like everybody else, we got

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Speaker 3: our favorites hard not to have him, and this has

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Speaker 3: got to make the first round. Come on, I'll be

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Speaker 3: two years ahead of the game.

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Speaker 2: As we mentioned. Uh after we got off the air yesterday,

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Speaker 2: making him the highest paid nickel corner in the league

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Speaker 2: of three years thirty one million dollars. We wanted to

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Speaker 2: play a couple of comments from Terren's press conference yesterday,

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Speaker 2: which was conducted on Zoom, and the first thing he

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Speaker 2: did was explain why he re signed with the Bills.

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Speaker 5: I love Buffalo, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: They treat me like family here and I've loved the

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Speaker 6: guys I've played with. I love the guys that they've

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Speaker 6: and every single year, you know, so just want to

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Speaker 6: continue getting get past that point, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 6: and and get and get to that that that super.

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Speaker 2: Bowl, there's the goal for sure. Keeps taking his swings

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Speaker 2: with the rest of the squad. I think the most

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Speaker 2: important thing that he was probably asked was about the

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Speaker 2: veteran turnover in the secondary and how he is, as

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Speaker 2: we talked about yesterday, Steve effectively the veteran leader of

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Speaker 2: that group now with Tredevius no longer on the roster,

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Speaker 2: was asked how he sees himself as the veteran leader

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Speaker 2: of the group and how he sees the new pieces

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Speaker 2: blending together on the back end this offseason.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough.

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Speaker 6: It's gonna take some time, but that's what OTA is

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Speaker 6: just for. You know what I'm saying, Get in with

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Speaker 6: the new group of guys, help us fellowship with each

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Speaker 6: other and just get to know each other better, and

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Speaker 6: that way it'll translate on the field.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Steve that, I mean it's not just one guy.

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Speaker 2: They're taken out of the equation here. It's three out

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Speaker 2: of the five starters and this, Tredavious Poyer and Hide.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like three guys that have been there

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Speaker 3: here since twenty seventeen. Yeah, they've been the Mount Rushmore,

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Speaker 3: the Sean McDermott secondary.

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Speaker 2: Right, So.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is gonna be tough. But Terran, I mean,

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Speaker 3: Tarn adds some stability, no question. Certainly another year under

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Speaker 3: the belt of Bernard Milonal getting back on the field.

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Speaker 3: And now you've got some think about how long Dane

435
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 3: Jackson's been here now, right, So you've got some guys

436
00:23:59,440 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: in there.

437
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 2: He's not here anymore though, that's right, he got signed away,

438
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:08,120
Speaker 2: that's right, Carolina and Benford, Benford Elam.

439
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: They've got some guys back that have been around, but

440
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: the other guys are like, you know, it's Rasull Douglas

441
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 3: who's been here like you know, fifteen minutes, right, So

442
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 3: I think Tarran, I'm sure they'll have conversations with him

443
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 3: about how it's gonna be in And don't forget too,

444
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 3: there's a big shuffle on the coaching staff and that's

445
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 3: gonna that's gonna have something to say about how.

446
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 2: Good they're too. Finally, from Taran, in being a new leader,

447
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 2: he was asked if there was a lesson he took

448
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: away from the Vets, who are no longer a part

449
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: of the secondary that he hopes to incorporate into his

450
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: game as a veteran leader on the squad. Here's what

451
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:48,399
Speaker 2: do you say about that?

452
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Speaker 6: I feel like, just how level headed they stayed, you

453
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, When when things were bad, which

454
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 6: honestly wasn't often, they stayed the exact same as when

455
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 6: things were good.

456
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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

457
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Speaker 6: The consistency is to keep I feel as though, you know,

458
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 6: and just making sure that I stay consistent not just

459
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 6: what my level of play, but just even my demeanor

460
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 6: when it comes to if something good happens or if

461
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 6: something bad happens.

462
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 2: We hear that from coach McDermott a lot when he

463
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: had the players when they were very young twenty seventeen,

464
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. We hear him talk on the practice field

465
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: all the time body language, body language, like he did

466
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 2: not want a bad play on the field to be

467
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: reflected in their own body language because other guys look

468
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: at that and now their body language drops.

469
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 3: We used to have to. It used to be a thing.

470
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 3: Even in my day. Body language is big because you'd

471
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: say you're you're wide open, drop a touchdown pass, and

472
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 3: you absolutely lose your minds, like you can't believe you

473
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 3: did it. You can't you drop a touch You can't

474
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 3: give your opponent any idea that that phased. You. Don't

475
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 3: give it to the other guys. Certainly your own teammates

476
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 3: can be disappointed. You'll be it, but don't show it.

477
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: You don't show that because that gives your opponent something.

478
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 3: Just another play I'll never forget. We put this play in.

479
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 3: We go to Miami and we've got this hard play

480
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: action FAE. We didn't do it too much hard play action.

481
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 3: Jim drops back and throws it over the top to

482
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: Andre who's running down the middle of the field by

483
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 3: himself on a post route. Dbi's chasing him. They got

484
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: him completely, and it hits Andre right in stride, goes

485
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 3: right through him, hits the ground, kicks it. Andre acted

486
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 3: like the ball went someplace else, like it wasn't even

487
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,400
Speaker 3: a target to him, turned around, walked back, came back

488
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: to the huddle like nothing happened. And that was coaching.

489
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: Our coach, our assistant coach, Nick Nikolau, one of the

490
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: great coaches I've ever had Nick said, don't don't let

491
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Speaker 3: them know.

492
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 2: Don't let him know.

493
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Speaker 3: And to his credit, Hall of Famer Andre Reid acted

494
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,640
Speaker 3: like it wasn't even a he didn't even get targeted,

495
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 3: just turned around, ran back like it was nothing. And

496
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Speaker 3: you know this, when you're defensive back and that guy

497
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 3: turns around actually like nothing happened. He's like, oh my gosh,

498
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: that guy had me right.

499
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's a big thing about more about him

500
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: his own point.

501
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: It is a big, big deal.

502
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: Uh.

503
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 3: And it and it means something because you know, it

504
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 3: tells something to your teammates, tell something to quarterback who

505
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 3: threw it? Uh, it's it. It gives you a level

506
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 3: of discipline that players will acknowledge without ever really even

507
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 3: knowing what they're you know, even really understanding why.

508
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

509
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 3: Body language is huge. And yeah, that and tearing and

510
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: this group of dbs, things always go like you said,

511
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: they always go bad. And being consistent on a down

512
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 3: to down basis where it's up or down. It's that's

513
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: a pro level attitude.

514
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: It really is, and it carries it really does topic

515
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 2: of discussion for you today. Have the Bills now at

516
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Speaker 2: this point in free agency, themselves in the best player

517
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: available mode for the draft, or do you think there

518
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: is still some work to be done to truly put

519
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: themselves in such a position once the draft rolls around

520
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: at the end of April, eight h three zero five

521
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: point fifty one eighty eight five fifty two five point

522
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 2: fifty is the number to get on board. We had

523
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: a question that came in via email, and you know,

524
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,440
Speaker 2: we take questions on the tweets sheet all the time.

525
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 2: I don't know if this person just isn't on Twitter

526
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 2: or what have you, but it was an interesting question,

527
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: so we thought we would answer it here and the

528
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: questions as follow as it comes from a guy named

529
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: Etienn who says, does anyone know if any team has

530
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: ever traded up in the draft with the intention of

531
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: trading back to pick up more picks? Again? Would it

532
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: make sense for the Bills to offer, say New Orleans

533
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: their first pick this year and next year for New

534
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 2: Orleans first and anything else they could get, then if

535
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: it was successful, trade back slowly to maybe the Chargers,

536
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: then Philly then Green Bay to pick up more picks

537
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 2: in the second or third rounds and improve their position

538
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 2: in the early rounds with more choices. Here I think

539
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: that it's just way too much work. Well it's not.

540
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 3: I mean, they're happy to do the work. But here's

541
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 3: what you're gonna find I think, and I've kind of

542
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 3: ran through some scenarios in my mind too. Yes, you

543
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 3: could trade up and give up what it takes to

544
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: get up there. The value is not gonna change too much, though.

545
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 3: But what you'll end up doing is you won't get

546
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: back into the second or third round. You get back

547
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: in the fifth, sixth, and seventh, you're gonna give up

548
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: a first and a second, and you're gonna get three sixths.

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: You know.

550
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you can do that, but you won't have

551
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 3: any high quality draft picks. You're gonna have everything from

552
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 3: the fifth, sixth, and seventh round you have. You'll have

553
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: twelve picks, but they're gonna be from the fifth, sixth,

554
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 3: and seventh round on down. You're not gonna get it

555
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: back into the third round, you know, or you'll find

556
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: out you'll you'll if you do it that way, you

557
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: trade your first and this year and your second, or

558
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: even this year's first and next year's first and a second,

559
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 3: and you get three third round picks, or get this

560
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: year's two first, third, round picks of a team and

561
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: they have another one next year, you get those three

562
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: plus a fifth, in a sixth or maybe a seventh,

563
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: you get six six picks. All right, so you get those, Well,

564
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 3: then what do you do. You're gonna wait, and then

565
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: if you're gonna trade back and trade back, you're gonna

566
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: trade further back. And if if you have nothing to trade,

567
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 3: this year's won the next year.

568
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 2: I was gonna go my point because if you're spending

569
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: all this capital to move up the board, that capital

570
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 2: is gone right to get a more valuable pick up higher,

571
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 2: only to slide back again. There's no guarantee you're gonna

572
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: equip yourself with the same capital you had in the

573
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 2: first place, because number One, you're dealing with different teams.

574
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: Number Two, the way the draft is unfolded may impact

575
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: the value of what those people, what those teams perceive

576
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 2: those picks to be, you know, based on what's left

577
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 2: on the board now that the draft is underway, presumably.

578
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: So I just think there's too many variables to undertake.

579
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 2: I think it's added risk to go up, with the

580
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: end game being to come back down and parlay it

581
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: into more valua.

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Speaker 3: What you end up doing is yeah, you instead of

583
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 3: having seven picks in an NFL, I'm all exaggerate, maybe

584
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: to make the point, instead of having seven picks, one

585
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 3: pick in each round of the seven rounds, you end

586
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: up having maybe twice that many picks, fourteen picks, but

587
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: you got four fifths, five to sixth and five to sevenths.

588
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: The only reason teams, the only reason teams ever move

589
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: up in the draft is almost never to move back down.

590
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: They move up to secure a player they covet who

591
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 2: they don't believe is still going to be on the

592
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: board where they pick originally, or move up to secure

593
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: a player.

594
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: Or it's a move where like we talked about yesterday,

595
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: where there's a player still on the board at ley,

596
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: say twenty three. In this draft, the Bills are twenty

597
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: eight and there's a player at twenty three they never

598
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 3: believed in a million years would be at twenty three,

599
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: but at twenty three he kind of is within reach

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00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: of the Bills. Then they'll trade up and get him.

601
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: But you got to give some things up to get

602
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: it right.

603
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: And knowing you're giving that kind of stuff up, it's

604
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: very rare you see a team move up like that

605
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: and then get out of there for the for the

606
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: main purpose of acquiring more draft capital later in the draft.

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00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: I would say it's super rare. I don't know if

608
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 2: it's ever even happened. With that being the ultimate motive.

609
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: We do have to take a break here, But when

610
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: we come back, it's your phone calls where we are

611
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: asking you. Have the Bills put themselves in best player

612
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: available mode for the draft with what they've done in

613
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: free agency. You can let us know at eight O

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00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: three to five to fifty one, eight of eight, five

615
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: fifty two, five fifty got some open lines for you there.

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00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 2: We'll lead off with Joe and Williamsville and Carl on

617
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Speaker 2: a sell. When we return here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Cold of Health, it's Buffalo Bills Radio. All

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Speaker 2: right back here on One Bill's Live, Chris Brown, Steve

620
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: tasking with you on a Tuesday, Have the Bills put

621
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Speaker 2: themselves in the best player available mode for the draft?

622
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: With what they've done thus far in free agency? There

623
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: might be some holes you'd like to see them fill

624
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: before we can definitively say that. If you feel that way,

625
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: give us a call. Ado three to five to fifty one,

626
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: eight of eight, five fifty two, five fifty the number

627
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: to get on board. Got a couple open lines for

628
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: you there, But we lead off today with Joe and Williamsville.

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Speaker 4: What's up, Joe, Hey, Steve and Chris. How you doing.

630
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm a seventy four year old guy and I've been

631
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 4: following the Bills since nineteen sixty two. It's probably about

632
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 4: the year you were born, Steve. But anyway, you were

633
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: talking that, you guys have been talking about the NFL.

634
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 4: They changed their rules and player safety and everything. Anyway,

635
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: I want to reminisce about a player called Gary Filden.

636
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: He was drafted by the New York Jets and Detroit

637
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: Myons in nineteen sixty four and he signed with the

638
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 4: Jets and his statement was he was a defensive tackle

639
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 4: and he played for the University of Buffalo. By the way, anyway,

640
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 4: his statement was, if I sack a quarterback and a

641
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: quarterback gets up and goes back to the huddle, I

642
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: haven't done my job. My job is to knock them

643
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 4: out of the game and hopefully for the season. So

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00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 4: I mean, you can tell how the attitude has changed

645
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 4: over the years as far as player safety goes and

646
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 4: the attitude of the players themselves. I guess as far

647
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 4: as your question, I still think the Bills have to

648
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 4: work on the defensive backfield, is signing some free agents,

649
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 4: safeties and whatnot, and I hopefully they're going to address

650
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 4: that with the players that you announced earlier today that

651
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 4: are coming in for tryouts. Anyway, I'll hang up and

652
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: listen to you guys. Thanks for taking my call again.

653
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 3: You have a great days, Jo. Yeah, and I've said

654
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 3: it a bunch. Yeah, the old days. You can go

655
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 3: back and check it out for yourself. This you know

656
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 3: this Gary Filben that you're talking about, the defensive tackle

657
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 3: at the defensive linment out of Buffalo University of Buffalo

658
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 3: went to the Jets. That was the ad the game

659
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: of professional football was, I would say, a step but

660
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: half a step above a bar fight. You go back

661
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: and watch films of these guys playing what we knew

662
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: is football then, and it was beyond brutal.

663
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: It was beyond brutal, barbaric.

664
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,320
Speaker 3: It was. It was amazing that you know, guys surviving.

665
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 3: You know, many of them walked, you know, limped out

666
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: of the game at the end of it. And but

667
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: I'll say this too, we made We had this conversation

668
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 3: when Aaron Donald just retired a few days.

669
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: Ago that.

670
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 3: These days, because of the financial rewards the guys are

671
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 3: getting even today in the league that has changed so

672
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 3: much and is not anything like what it used to

673
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: be back in those decades. Even today, it's a brutal

674
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: enough sport that guys are saying, man, that's enough for me.

675
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,680
Speaker 3: Back then, you almost never heard guys say that. And

676
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: they were working two jobs. They were playing football, and

677
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: then have an off season job, you know, selling cars,

678
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 3: selling insurance, swinging a hammer, whatever they were doing, and

679
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 3: they you had to kick him out of the league.

680
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 3: It's amazing how different things are now in every respect.

681
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: Joe mentioned safety, and I think he's right, and it

682
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 2: looks like the Bills are kicking the tires on some

683
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: safety options right now, and we'll see if they end up,

684
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, agreeing to terms with one or two of them.

685
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: Who knows, Julian Blackman and Mike Edwards being the latest

686
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 2: reported free agent visitors at the safety position. So presumably

687
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 2: between now in the draft, you would think that, knowing

688
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: the way Brandon Bean operates, that he'll have another veteran safety,

689
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: presumably under contract by the time he gets to the draft,

690
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 2: thereby eliminating the need to reach for a safety in

691
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: the draft.

692
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 3: Also, and you're talking about these two, I don't know

693
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: that they can sign both of them right yeah, because

694
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 3: they're because they're really good players, and they're gonna get

695
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 3: topped all of top dollar for safety we've seen is

696
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: not what it was was.

697
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 2: And they've already re signed Taylor Rapper and Cam Lewis.

698
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 3: If if Julian Blackman's a dude, he's a good player.

699
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: Uh and and uh, Mike Mike Edwards proved himself last

700
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 3: year really had kind of a career moment last year

701
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: was you know, started in the Super Bowl team at

702
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 3: the at the last six weeks of the season and

703
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: playoffs and all of that. So he came on at

704
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 3: the critical time of the season and and helped him

705
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 3: win a World championship. So he's got some cache as

706
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 3: well now that maybe he didn't have before the season started.

707
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 3: But both of those guys, listen, Bills fans should be

708
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 3: happy with either one of those guys. And if you know,

709
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what the numbers are. I don't know,

710
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 3: as Brownie said, Tarren Johnson's contract reworking gives them some space.

711
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: He'd be hard pressed to get both of them signed,

712
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 3: but one of them would be awesome.

713
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: Awesome would certainly be good, and you know, reduce another

714
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 2: positional need. Let's go to Carl on a sale next.

715
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: What's up, Carl, Hey, welcome.

716
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 7: I just renew my bills. Died jest and I'm really

717
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 7: glad about that. But I wanted to talk about Deebo

718
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 7: Samuel see inside outside. I vaguely recalled seeing him, but

719
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 7: you know, I don't. I can't picture his position really.

720
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't really have one, Carl. He's kind of

721
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 2: the lead dog in what will I think eventually down

722
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: the line be positionless football. I mean he lines up everywhere,

723
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: so there's no real specific spot for him.

724
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 3: He kind of lines up like Christian McCaffrey lines.

725
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: Up, and that's by design. What else did you have, Carl?

726
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 7: As far as the question today, I'm really thinking receiver

727
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 7: and defensive tackle are gonna be important, you know, late

728
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 7: and early in the draft. I'd like to hear your

729
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 7: comments on enough.

730
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I think We're receiver is strong through the

731
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 2: first three rounds. Many people who have paid even more

732
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: attention to the prospect pool than I have share that

733
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: opinion that you can find a player that should be

734
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: able to contribute as a rookie as late as Round

735
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: three this year, maybe even into the early stages of

736
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 2: Round four, depending on how many come off the board

737
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 2: on Day one and Day two. I think that's a given.

738
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 2: And then as far as defensive tackle goes, it's a

739
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: decent class, but there is a drop off, and I

740
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: think that's the biggest difference between those two positions. And

741
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 2: knowing that, you could very easily see if the Bills

742
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 2: don't acquire enough bodies for a defensive tackle position that

743
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: had only at Oliver under contract when we got to

744
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 2: free agency and then de Kwon Jones resigned, you could

745
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: see them leaning in that direction early in the draft,

746
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: especially knowing there's a drop off sooner at that position.

747
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: Then there is at the receiver position.

748
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 3: And I'll say this, I'm this at this point of

749
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 3: the off season, we had this and BROWNI and I

750
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 3: both looked at each other and said, listen, I don't

751
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: think so. I don't think we're there yet. I don't

752
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: think the Bills are in a position right now if

753
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: the draft were tomorrow that they would take the best

754
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: player available. I think they would have to take at

755
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 3: this point, they'd have to take a defensive tackle, defensive end,

756
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 3: some defensive linemen. They got to they don't have enough

757
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: guys and it's.

758
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: Gotten there both expensive positions on the free agent mark.

759
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: That's the longer you wait, the more likely you are

760
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 2: to maybe get a one year deal.

761
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 3: I would you know, we asked this question. Have the

762
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 3: Bills put themselves in best player available mode for the draft?

763
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: And what that means? No matter what position a guy plays,

764
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: if he's the best guy left on the board, the

765
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 3: best college player left on the Bill hasn't been drafting, drafted,

766
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: you take him, no matter even if he plays quarterback, right,

767
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: even if he's a quarterback, you take him right that

768
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: it's that kind your roster is that good? They just

769
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:05,479
Speaker 3: take the best player. They're not there yet. I don't

770
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: think defensive line, wide receiver, and I would say safety

771
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 3: at this point as well. Today would probably preclude that

772
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 3: you would see that Bill's draft the best player at

773
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 3: one of those positions, not best player no matter what.

774
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 3: And maybe they won't get there completely in their mind

775
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 3: before the draft, maybe they will still lean towards a

776
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: position here positioned there, and they'll have a short list

777
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: of players at those spots that if they're available, to

778
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 3: take them no matter what. I think that's probably as

779
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 3: close as they'll get it. Last year. I think it

780
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 3: really was best player available. This year, I don't think

781
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: they have that luxury, at least not yet.

782
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: Break time for us here, we're up against it. But

783
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 2: when we come back more of your phone calls. We'll

784
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: lead off with Garrion Lancaster, follow with Ron and others

785
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 2: holding a EIGHTO three ZHO five to fifty. When we

786
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: return here on one Bill's Live presented by Colida Health,

787
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 2: it's Buffalo Bill's Rate, all right. I think we've got

788
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: Gary in Lancaster. Now, what's up? Gary? Hey?

789
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 8: You guys doing We sucked me four And since we've

790
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 8: done some pre agency pickups, I think my change is

791
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 8: I said keep all eleven draft choices, but that's because

792
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 8: numbers help. But when you start positioning yourself to make

793
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 8: key moves and they can pick them, now, they can

794
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 8: be a little more selective. They're not pick the best

795
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 8: player available, but like Steven said, pick the best position

796
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 8: player a little more, you know, fine tuning on that,

797
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 8: and they have an opportunity with all those picks to

798
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 8: jump in and maybe grab a one or two in there.

799
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 8: So instead of drafting eleven and trying to get three

800
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 8: or four, they might draft nine and get a solid

801
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 8: Ford maybe five. I think I think Bean is very

802
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 8: good about positioning himself into a way of options. And uh,

803
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 8: and Steve, you said, there's a guy, and there's they

804
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 8: have their guys, which is, you know, hey, we don't

805
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 8: need a linebacker, but there's this guy. So maybe there's

806
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 8: a couple of those guys are gonna I think you're

807
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 8: gonna see him maybe a second round. So I think

808
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 8: they're gonna jump a couple moves to get their guy

809
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 8: and it'll be exciting.

810
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely a history of that because Brandon and Brandon.

811
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 2: Bean has moved up in round one. I think there's

812
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 2: only one instance where he slid back, and he did

813
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: it twice and that was before taking James Cook in

814
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: round two a couple of years ago. There might be

815
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: one other time where he moved back, but more often

816
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: than not, especially in the early rounds, he moves up.

817
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: So that's just the way he's done business.

818
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's the thing, Yeah, you're right. I think

819
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: they're gonna keep all eleven picks. But it goes without saying,

820
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 3: but I guess I'll say it anyway. Yeah, you hope

821
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 3: to hit if you can hit four hundred batting average,

822
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 3: which gives you and the more picks you get you

823
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 3: hit four hundred, the more chance you have of getting

824
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 3: a handful of good guys with eleven picks. If you

825
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,719
Speaker 3: can get three or four dudes that can really play

826
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 3: out of that draft, it's a huge win, huge win.

827
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: But the further away from the top of the draft

828
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 3: you get from that number one overall pick, the further

829
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 3: away you get, the less likely it is that those

830
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: guys can actually play. Period. So anybody time you get

831
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 3: back there, Tarren Johnson's and Matt Mulano's, they're.

832
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 2: Not They're the exception.

833
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 3: They're Yeah, they're not common. Now, certainly we went back

834
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: and he looked at some of the draft picks that

835
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 3: the Bills have made over the years, and that one

836
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: draft pick in twenty eighteen that Brandon Bean had. Dude,

837
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,479
Speaker 3: they're all still in the league except Ricky Pearl's kid

838
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 3: and prol All six of those guys are still playing,

839
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: all of them, So, yeah, they got it. They got

840
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: a great system, they got a great protocol, they got

841
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: a great program going here, which is why Joe Shane

842
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 3: and and and Brian Dayball are making it work over

843
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: in New York. You know, they know how to evaluate

844
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:25,799
Speaker 3: and what they need. But I you know, but the

845
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: further away, you know you can. That's great. You have

846
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: eleven picks. You got a ton of them. They're in

847
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: the sixth and seventh.

848
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 2: Round rolls, their.

849
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: Rolls of the dice at best. And I and I

850
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 3: like having them. It's great. You'll pick guys. He'll be

851
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 3: fun watching them and we'll all pick one of them.

852
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 3: But they're lost puppies, you know, I mean they're these

853
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 3: are not These are not thoroughbreds, you know, sired by Secretariat.

854
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 3: You know, they're not these six eight dudes that are

855
00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: that are lifting you know, the gym. So I'm with you.

856
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 3: I'm with you, Carl. Take all eleven picks. But once

857
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 3: you get out of those first two days of the draft, man,

858
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: just take take take Who's there, man, don't get your

859
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: hopes up.

860
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to Ron in Buffalo next. What we got

861
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: for you? Good?

862
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 9: Yeah?

863
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 8: How you doing?

864
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 9: I'm stewing. I'm still want to see him get Legit

865
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 9: or Mitchell from Texas there.

866
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 10: Also, I'd like to see, uh, if you guys could

867
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Speaker 10: get Stefan Diggs and in the studio here and clear

868
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Speaker 10: the air with this crap that I'm hearing all over

869
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Speaker 10: the place.

870
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Speaker 9: I mean, I'm just sick and tired of hearing him

871
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 9: wanting to get traded and this and that and leaving.

872
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 9: Let's clear the air and get him on the set.

873
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Speaker 8: Do we do that?

874
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's he's did that last offseason, you know,

875
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: when he spoke to the media. I think it was

876
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 2: in June, or maybe it was even training camp where.

877
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, if you think about it, a lot of

878
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: what's generated out there doesn't come from him or his

879
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: mouth anyway. It comes from other places, and most more

880
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: and more often than not, it's not tied to him

881
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: and his people. These narratives get created out there based

882
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 2: on assumptions and speculation, and then they take on a

883
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 2: life of their own. Yeah. I mean, look, I'd love

884
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: to get him in here and have him kind of

885
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: say whatever he feels he needs to. But I think

886
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: a lot of it has kind of grown tiresome for him.

887
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, yeah, yeah, there I don't think there's

888
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: anything to the stuff about Steph. Whenever he tweets anything,

889
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 3: he gets scrutinized. I mean there's you got Justin Jefferson

890
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: with Sam Darnold not sounding too happy in Minnesota. You

891
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 3: go Brandon Ayuk asking for a trade. You got Artie

892
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: Higgins asking demanding for a trade on the franchise tag.

893
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,479
Speaker 3: You had all this stuff going on around the league.

894
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 3: But you know, Steph Diggs is the one people are

895
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 3: talking about because he tweeted a heart or.

896
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 2: He said I'm ready for whatever, you know.

897
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like and some of it, I'll say

898
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: this too, I think some of it Steph kind of

899
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: digs trolling people. Steph digs China troll. I just mean

900
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: that Steph likes trolling people once in a while, and

901
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: I think he does a little of that. Uh, But yeah,

902
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 3: I think, and it's my belief. Steph loves it here,

903
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: loves loves catching it from Josh, loves the team, loves

904
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,240
Speaker 3: the culture. He's been He's one of the few guys

905
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 3: on the team that's been someplace else kind of knows

906
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 3: how it is other places, and uh, he has thrived

907
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 3: here and he has played at a high level since

908
00:48:54,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 3: his arrival. And I think with Joe Brady come in

909
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: with an entire offseason, I think we're going to start

910
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: out just like we did last offseason. Last season, He's

911
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 3: going to start out and take off. I think Steph

912
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 3: was the guy who probably was most affected by the

913
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 3: offensive coordinator change. I mean apparently affected. You know, Josh

914
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 3: obviously had to do a lot start working with Joe

915
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: Brady instead of Ken Dorsey, but Diggs, I think tangibly

916
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: had the most change in what he was asked to

917
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: do and what they were doing with him, and the

918
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: targets and all that. So I don't think Steph wants

919
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: to leave. I don't know, and I don't. I think

920
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: Steph was probably tired of it. He's listen, he some

921
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: of this comes from Steph. I don't care. I don't.

922
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Speaker 3: But I don't think it's get me out of here,

923
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: I don't like it here, or I'm throwing a fit

924
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 3: over something. I think it's him having fun on social media.

925
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 3: That's that's what I think. So I don't Bill's fans.

926
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 3: The more tedious part about it for Bill's fans, in

927
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: my opinion, is having to you know, you turn on

928
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: ESPN or Fox or CBS or NBC, and they talking

929
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 3: about and it's never it's never about how good he is,

930
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: how good he plays. It's always about a whole. I

931
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: don't know how. I don't know if he likes it here,

932
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: you know. So I think that's the most tedious part

933
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,399
Speaker 3: for Bills fans, like what, dude, he's playing great.

934
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Speaker 2: People have grown tired of it, and I get why.

935
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: I totally get it.

936
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Speaker 3: So, but we're yeah, we're not having stuff on. He's

937
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: out of town. Yeah, he's off doing doing his thing

938
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Speaker 3: in the off season.

939
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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but when we

940
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Speaker 2: come back, our number two will begin with National NFL

941
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Speaker 2: Writer for the Athletic Mike Jones, who graded the good,

942
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 2: the bad, and the ugly of every NFL free agency deal.

943
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: What did he have for grades for some of the

944
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: Bill's signings. We'll find out next here on One Bill's

945
00:50:44,560 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 2: Live presented by Colida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. This

946
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 2: One Bill's Live presented by Kalida Health. All right, now,

947
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: we're number two here on a Tuesday. Chris Brown, Steve

948
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 2: Tasker with you. Please to be joined now by National

949
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 2: NFL Writer for the Athletic Mike Jones joining the show. Mike,

950
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 2: good to have you. Thanks for giving us some time,

951
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: especially since you've been spending a lot of time on

952
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: the free agent market. One of Mike's pieces currently up

953
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: at the Athletic right now is grading the good, the bad,

954
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 2: and the ugly of free agents, where some of the

955
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 2: more notable signings are assigned some letter grades. And you know,

956
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 2: we'll jump into some of the Bills acquisitions or resignings,

957
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,240
Speaker 2: I should say in just a second, but I wanted

958
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 2: to discuss the Gabe Davis ad by the Jaguars obviously

959
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: out the door here in Buffalo, and I think the

960
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 2: Bills fans knew he was going to be too expensive

961
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 2: to retain. You threw a C plus grade on there,

962
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: and I think for people that have watched him very closely,

963
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 2: they might understand why. But maybe just give us your

964
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 2: CeNSE first as to why that's just kind of an

965
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 2: average ad in your mind for the Jags.

966
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 11: Well, I felt like, look, he can do some good things,

967
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,359
Speaker 11: but the consistency is just not there as far as

968
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 11: if you were going to use him as your top

969
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 11: or you know, one or two receivers. Now if they

970
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 11: hadn't been able to bring back Calvin Ridley and use

971
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 11: him as a number two. That was, you know, probably

972
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 11: a decent move right there. But if you're expecting him

973
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,399
Speaker 11: to fill those shoes for Calvin Ridley, I think that

974
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 11: that's just not quite the swing, you know, the hit

975
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 11: and free agency that you were hoping for. If you're

976
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,400
Speaker 11: trying to you know, fill a guy who has been

977
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 11: a thousand yard receiver and highly productive. Yes, he can

978
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 11: be Dave gave, Davis can be physical, he can make

979
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 11: big catches, but like I said, the consistency just isn't

980
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 11: there for me to give him a really great grade.

981
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and as you look look down the list, it

982
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: was one of the higher wide free agent wide receiver

983
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 3: contracts to be given out. Does that indicate and does

984
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: that indicate that maybe people on the outside of the

985
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 3: organization see him in a better light than people within

986
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: the organization.

987
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 11: Yeah, well, I think lots of times you'll see teams

988
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 11: that make signings and they kind of value guys higher

989
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 11: than the people who worked with them on a day

990
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:51,880
Speaker 11: to day basis. They see some things that they like

991
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 11: and then they also sometimes coaches, you know, talent evaluators

992
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,399
Speaker 11: will feel like, hey, maybe what we want to use

993
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 11: them for, he'll be better at this, or we can

994
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 11: fix this kind of problem here, or you know, they'll

995
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 11: you know, look at certain circumstances and say, oh, well

996
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:08,880
Speaker 11: this is why he wasn't really well, but here it

997
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 11: won't be an aspect, it won't be a problem. So

998
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 11: let's go ahead and get them, let's make this investment.

999
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 11: So he wasn't the only person. And we see it,

1000
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 11: you know, year after year where you know, I mean

1001
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 11: Jacksonville did that Christian Kirkle. I mean, they gave him

1002
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 11: a lot more money that year than what a lot

1003
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 11: of people thought. So, you know, we see it. And

1004
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 11: I do think that it's probably a case where maybe

1005
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 11: you don't have quite as intimate knowledge about a guy

1006
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 11: and you think that maybe you can get maybe you're

1007
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 11: a little more optimistic than the team that he was

1008
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 11: already with.

1009
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, I tend to agree with the

1010
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: inconsistency stuff. I mean, he had seven games with one

1011
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 2: or zero receptions out of seventeen. You need more out

1012
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: of a number two guy, let alone in potential number

1013
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 2: one guy. But looking at some of the Bills players

1014
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 2: that they re signed and a new addition at receiver.

1015
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 2: Bees across the board for Buffalo for the likes a day,

1016
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 2: Kwon Jones Crew to Samuel aj Epenessa, what do you

1017
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: think of the collective retention there and the addition of

1018
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,840
Speaker 2: Samuel as far as their receiving core is concerned.

1019
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 11: Well, I thought that, you know, to make sure that

1020
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 11: you continue to hold on to some key pieces during

1021
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 11: your defensive front and invest in your defensive front with

1022
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 11: something that you have to do. Obviously, every year you're

1023
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 11: going to have some turnover, but you've got to be

1024
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 11: able to win in the trenches on both sides of

1025
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 11: the ball. And so if you can win up front

1026
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 11: and making sure that they have valuable pieces up front,

1027
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 11: that's really big. Obviously they had the hole there at

1028
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 11: the number two wide receiver having lost Davis as we

1029
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:38,160
Speaker 11: just spoke about there.

1030
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 5: I think Curtis Samuel will be good.

1031
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 11: He is a guy if he can stay on the field,

1032
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 11: he's versatile, He's got some explosiveness to him, you know,

1033
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 11: and you know that was just the thing in Washington.

1034
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 11: His first year wasn't on the field as much as

1035
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 11: they would have liked. But then as you saw this

1036
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 11: past season, once he was able to be out there

1037
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 11: on the field. They use him in a variety of ways,

1038
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:01,879
Speaker 11: and he probably will compliment Stefan Digs pretty well.

1039
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: One of the things that trends around free agency and

1040
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 3: this year in the early going of the free agency,

1041
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 3: although it's not over yet obviously, is the fact that

1042
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: shorter and shorter contracts are going to these guys that

1043
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 3: are moving teams. I think for the first time, the

1044
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 3: average contract is less than two years. Most of them

1045
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 3: are one year and then there's a couple of three

1046
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 3: year ones out there, but most of them are just

1047
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 3: one year deals, which drags the average down under two

1048
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,399
Speaker 3: years for around the National Football League. What is that

1049
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: a financial decision? Is it a motivation issue to get

1050
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,319
Speaker 3: these guys on one year deals to keep them motivated,

1051
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 3: you know, because we used to see guys sign those

1052
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 3: big free agent contracts and then take it out of

1053
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: gear for the remainder of the contract once they signed

1054
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: the money. But this one year contract trend seems to

1055
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: be growing.

1056
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1057
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 11: Well, I think with a lot of the guys who

1058
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 11: are coming out this year, there are people that were

1059
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 11: kind of in prove it situations as they're coming into

1060
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 11: free agency.

1061
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,400
Speaker 5: Maybe they're coming off an injury.

1062
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 11: Maybe they're getting up in age, you know, and so

1063
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 11: a team isn't going to want to make a big

1064
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 11: investment into them. The other thing is also is guys

1065
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 11: wanting more guaranteed money. So lots of times, like you said,

1066
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 11: we'd see really big long contracts. Guys would have, you know,

1067
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 11: sign a you know, five, six, seven year deal, but

1068
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 11: then you know, when you really boiled it down, only

1069
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 11: two or three of those years were fully guaranteed, you know,

1070
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 11: and then there were a lot of incentives and things

1071
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,480
Speaker 11: like that. A lot of the deals you saw this

1072
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 11: year where okay, a guy signing for thirteen million, all

1073
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 11: of that's fully guaranteed, or eleven of the thirteen's fully guaranteed,

1074
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:36,600
Speaker 11: for just an example. But so the guys have shorter contracts,

1075
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 11: but they have more money. And then some of those

1076
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 11: guys want to be able to hit free agency again

1077
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 11: before they turn thirty. If there's some of the younger guys,

1078
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 11: so maybe a two to three year deal is good

1079
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 11: for them, they figure, Okay, let me have another couple

1080
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 11: of years and then be hitting free agency right as

1081
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 11: I'm hitting my prime, so I can earn more.

1082
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: Looks like it's going to be quarterback heavy at the

1083
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 2: top of this year's draft, not unlike the quarterback draft

1084
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty one, which has basically been blown to

1085
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,080
Speaker 2: smithereens in terms of value because last offseason, Trey Lance

1086
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: gets traded from the team that took him third San

1087
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: Francisco and goes to Dallas. Two more of those quarterbacks

1088
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: have been moved this offseason, with Mac Jones going down

1089
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: to Jacksonville, and then we just saw Justin Fields get

1090
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: traded to Pittsburgh and Zach Wilson's probably getting moved between

1091
00:58:23,000 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: now and the draft if possible. What the hell happened

1092
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, it shouldn't be a warning to

1093
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 2: the teams looking for a quarterback this year.

1094
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think that if you look at each one

1095
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 11: of those situations outside of Trevor Lawrence now and look,

1096
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 11: Trevor Lawrence has not been the elite guy that they thought.

1097
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 11: But you know, the dysfunction the Urban Meyer circus was

1098
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 11: really bad for development right there. So he basically had

1099
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 11: to start over with Doug Peterson, and a lot of

1100
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 11: people I talked to said, look, he's a good player,

1101
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 11: Doug Peterson's good fro him, He's still going to be Okay,

1102
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 11: we'll see if he.

1103
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 5: Winds up being elite.

1104
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 11: All the other guys there, you had either examples of

1105
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 11: a team overvaluating, over valuing that guy maybe thinking he

1106
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 11: was worthy of a pick that he really wasn't, not

1107
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 11: really projecting his talent. Well, when you look at Zach Wilson,

1108
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 11: you know, wasn't in a huge major conference, wasn't playing

1109
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 11: the highest level of competition. But they saw his athleticism

1110
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 11: and the cool stuff that he was able to put

1111
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 11: on tape. But the level competition the mental fortitude were

1112
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 11: two things that really he struggled with. If they were

1113
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 11: to do this right, they should have had a veteran

1114
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 11: there and he should have set for a year maybe

1115
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 11: two to really learn the NFL game, get caught up

1116
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 11: to the speed, learn just how to carry yourself as

1117
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 11: a professional. He was not put in a position to succeed.

1118
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 11: You know, Trey Lance, a guy who they saw the athleticism.

1119
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 5: Even though he only really had.

1120
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 11: One full season as a starter in college because his

1121
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 11: second year where he would have been a starter, there

1122
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 11: was the COVID year, so he played one game. They

1123
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 11: knew he was going to be a project. But I

1124
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 11: don't think they realize exactly how ro he was. So

1125
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 11: that's a case of not doing your homework. I know

1126
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 11: there were some people in the organization who felt like, eh,

1127
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 11: I don't know if he's quite as dynamic an athlete

1128
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 11: as we think he is once.

1129
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 5: They got him there in the building. No, he was

1130
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 5: not as.

1131
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 11: Dynamic an athlete. He wasn't as natural a thrower, and

1132
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 11: he had a lot to learn. Then he got hurt

1133
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 11: the second year, really kind of hurt his progress. He

1134
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 11: probably would not have started going into that second year

1135
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 11: if Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't coming off for surgery. And so

1136
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 11: then you have Rock Purty emerged late in the year

1137
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 11: and the forty nine ers are like, hey, we're in

1138
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 11: win now mode. We don't have time to hold hands,

1139
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 11: and they traded him away. Justin Field's guy in a

1140
01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 11: similar situation where he comes in different you know, goes

1141
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 11: through head coaching changes, he has an awful offensive line

1142
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 11: each of those years, didn't really have the support he needed.

1143
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 11: He probably should not have played right away. So another

1144
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 11: case of mismanagement. And then with the Patriots and Mac Jones,

1145
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 11: a lot of people I talked to it said that

1146
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 11: he he was a third maybe second rounder Bill Belichick.

1147
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 11: I wonder if he hadn't played for Nick Saban, would

1148
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 11: Bill Belichick have drafted him in the first round. He

1149
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 11: was solid as a rookie, but then you put Matt

1150
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,479
Speaker 11: Patricia and Joe Judge to run the offense, you don't

1151
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 11: really restock the skill position players. So he was really

1152
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,040
Speaker 11: exposed as the guy who couldn't carry a team, but

1153
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 11: also didn't have the support and the tutelage that he needed.

1154
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 11: So all of these organizations really botched the whole quarterback situation.

1155
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 11: So it is a lesson for the teams. The teams

1156
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 11: that are drafting right now, make sure you've got the

1157
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 11: table set. Make sure you give this rookie a strong

1158
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 11: offensive line, a strong defense, and a really good coach

1159
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 11: to help develop him. And make sure you have patience

1160
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 11: to make sure that you put him on the right

1161
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 11: path and give them time to develop properly.

1162
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you fast forward to now, the one

1163
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 3: guy that really still has a chance to emerge his

1164
01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: justin fields getting traded to Pittsburgh. Russell Wilson ostensibly can start,

1165
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 3: and he could sit back, and although he's a couple

1166
01:02:03,800 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 3: of years behind in his development. He could still step

1167
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 3: forward with an organization like the Steelers, who are notoriously

1168
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 3: have a good defense, run the football, do all that stuff,

1169
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 3: have good leadership at the top. Justin Fields would still

1170
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 3: be a guy who could probably have still the highest ceiling,

1171
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 3: even when you throw Trevor Lawrence into that mix.

1172
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 11: No, I totally agree with you, and you know so

1173
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 11: for him, Look, it's almost like you're going back to

1174
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 11: school a little bit. You're going to sit behind a veteran.

1175
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 11: You're going to learn, but you were in a strong organization.

1176
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 11: There's not the dysfunction there. It's a team that believes

1177
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 11: investing in its offensive line, like you said, they believe

1178
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 11: in ranking the football, doing all the things you need

1179
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 11: to do to support a rookie. And so for them,

1180
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 11: it's a low cost, low risk type of investment for

1181
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 11: here and for him he gets to sit behind a guy.

1182
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 11: And look, we don't know if Russell Wilson will wind

1183
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 11: up being the starter for this whole season, but at

1184
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 11: least for now the pressure isn't there for or Justin Fields.

1185
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 11: He can reset and learn and be behind a really

1186
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 11: strong leader of a head coach and Mike Tomlin.

1187
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 2: How do you see the Steelers playing the timing of

1188
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: this though, Mike, because yes, you can go with the veteran,

1189
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 2: the thirty six year old Wilson this year and if

1190
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:17,280
Speaker 2: he plays well, great, you know, fields can hang out,

1191
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 2: get accustomed to the offense and whatnot. But there is

1192
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 2: an element of needing to find out about what you

1193
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: have in fields too. I guess they inherit the fifth

1194
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:30,560
Speaker 2: year option option to decide if they want to put

1195
01:03:30,600 --> 01:03:35,120
Speaker 2: that on Fields before he even plays it down for them.

1196
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: Do you do that to buy some time? Because you

1197
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 2: certainly don't want to give up the end I mean,

1198
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: I think they gave up a six round pick. I

1199
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 2: mean not a big deal, but still in all like,

1200
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 2: it's an asset that you thought worthy enough to acquire.

1201
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 2: I don't think they want to get in a situation

1202
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 2: where they're talking second contract for fields. I'd like to

1203
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,800
Speaker 2: think that they're probably going to buy themselves some time there. Right.

1204
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 11: Well, the thing is if they do that fifth year option,

1205
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 11: is salaries going to jump?

1206
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like twenty five million, I think.

1207
01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:06,160
Speaker 5: Right, So I don't know that they want to do that.

1208
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 11: I think that look, you're hoping that Russell Wilson is

1209
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 11: going to play at a high level. He's also basically

1210
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 11: this is the last year of his deal, so it's

1211
01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 11: almost a one year rental. So that way, justin fields

1212
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 11: can develop. And then I mean, you're going to really

1213
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 11: have to see how he doesn't practice, try to as

1214
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,880
Speaker 11: many you know, game type simulations and things. And look,

1215
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 11: if it's late in the year and Russell Wilson gets

1216
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 11: hurt or they're not in it, then you put Fields

1217
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,320
Speaker 11: out there and try to see what you have to do.

1218
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 11: And then look, say he does, you know, go into

1219
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 11: that fifth year, they probably negotiate something that's more affordable,

1220
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 11: you know, better for both of them. If he likes

1221
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 11: where he is, obviously you know he can look elsewhere.

1222
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 11: But if he's got a team that's invested in him

1223
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 11: and at coaching staff that he believes in, you know,

1224
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,960
Speaker 11: they they wind up working something out. But I'd be

1225
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 11: kind of surprised that they pick up that fifth year option.

1226
01:04:55,440 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 5: Already.

1227
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 3: Well, there's so much in this Pittsburgh, Chicago and then

1228
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 3: of course the Denver, the Seattle trade for Russ Wilson,

1229
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 3: that Russ Wilson situation that happened in Denver. What is

1230
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 3: It's a mess now.

1231
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,080
Speaker 2: We're looking for a quarterback again.

1232
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked great when it happened. It may be

1233
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 3: one of the great all time worst trades in the

1234
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 3: history of the league. But one thing what it boils

1235
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:26,280
Speaker 3: down to now is Denver has no quarterback, an enormous

1236
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,920
Speaker 3: dead cap hit, they're paying the guy that is not

1237
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:34,920
Speaker 3: there and still don't have a quarterback. How much worse

1238
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 3: could it have been for Russ Wilson in Denver at all?

1239
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,200
Speaker 3: I don't It couldn't have, right.

1240
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 11: I don't know how it could have been anywhere worse

1241
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 11: than what it was. Even an injury would have been better, right,

1242
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 11: because then you would have had insurance and you know

1243
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 11: there's injury closet and things.

1244
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a disastrous the deal.

1245
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 11: The only thing is, like, even if they had just

1246
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 11: acquired him, they didn't have to give him that record

1247
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:06,280
Speaker 11: massive contract before he'd even played a snap in practice.

1248
01:06:06,920 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 11: So that was just all terrible planning, terrible foresight. And yeah,

1249
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 11: I mean, you had a first year head coach. You're

1250
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 11: you're hoping that he can do the work with him,

1251
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:20,840
Speaker 11: it didn't work. Then Sean Payton comes in and that

1252
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 11: wasn't a good fit either, And like you said, now

1253
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 11: they're holding the bag with a huge cap hit this

1254
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 11: year and next year as well.

1255
01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 5: Just the disaster of a situation.

1256
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 11: It's really kind of surprising that George Peyton, they're a

1257
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 11: general manager who pulled the trigger on that deal, didn't

1258
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 11: get fired. But Sean Payton likes him and for whatever reason,

1259
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 11: he was able to talk them into I guess talk them.

1260
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 11: You know, there wasn't talk about them firing him, but

1261
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 11: that would have gotten a lot of gms fired otherwise.

1262
01:06:47,160 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, that that deally a little bit about it.

1263
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 3: The are you shocked that Denver had I don't know,

1264
01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 3: you call it the courage to cut bait with Russ Wilson. Jay, Listen,

1265
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna swallow what we gotta, we gotta move on.

1266
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 3: Is that a Sean Payton does that use up all

1267
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 3: his cachet?

1268
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,360
Speaker 11: I mean, the the ice is a little bit thinner.

1269
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 11: He's got to make sure he hits on somebody this year,

1270
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 11: whether it's in the draft or you know, the options

1271
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 11: for trade are kind of you know, out of the

1272
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 11: way now, so he's got to show some some you know,

1273
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 11: improvement that even if they're not winning right now, but

1274
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 11: something that gives you some promise there, but yeah, he

1275
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 11: basically decided, look, this guy can't do what I need

1276
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 11: him to do to run my type of offense. But

1277
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:35,959
Speaker 11: there are a lot of people I talked to around

1278
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 11: the league that said, yeah, Russell Wilson can still play.

1279
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 11: It was just a bad fit between him and Sean

1280
01:07:40,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 11: Payton with you know this, the philosophies and mindsets and

1281
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 11: things like that, we'll see, but you know, Sean Payton

1282
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 11: definitely has to to find a way to make something

1283
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,440
Speaker 11: work this year. Not saying he's got to make the playoffs,

1284
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 11: but he's got to show that he's got this thing

1285
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 11: headed in the right direction.

1286
01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: Last one for you, Mike, we got the owners meetings

1287
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 2: coming up up, and we know there are rules proposals afoot.

1288
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: You know, from the competition committee, we were likely to

1289
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 2: see the hip drop, tackle'll get eliminated, the possible extinction

1290
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 2: of the chain gang. What is what's intriguing for you?

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Speaker 2: What do you think is going to be hotly debated?

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Speaker 2: Maybe the most.

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Speaker 11: Well, I really am curious to see what the kickoff

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Speaker 11: is going to look like. There's a lot of talk

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Speaker 11: about changing that, you know, modifying, similar to what we've

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Speaker 11: seen with the XFL where the front line guys are

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Speaker 11: further down the field and you know the receiving team

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Speaker 11: that I think they're about five ten yards apart, to

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Speaker 11: reduce the high speed collisions, excuse me. And then also

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Speaker 11: when it comes to the one sides kick, what is

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Speaker 11: that going to look like? Are they're going to make

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Speaker 11: changes of that. There's been several proposals to that, whether

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Speaker 11: it's the fourth and twenty or fourth and fifteen type

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01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,840
Speaker 11: of play inside a certain amount of time, so they're

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01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 11: you know, normally hear about rules and things like that.

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Speaker 11: It's a little bit, but there's some great intrigue with

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Speaker 11: the proposals that are on the table for this year.

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Speaker 3: I think the most interesting one might be the technology

1309
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 3: expansion with the first down markers. The loss of the

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Speaker 3: chain gang, one of the true, all time great iconic

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01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 3: parts of a football games. The chain gang might go

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01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 3: the way of the dinosaur. And how far they can

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Speaker 3: make this technology work. I think it's one of the

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Speaker 3: most interesting aspects maybe this offseason.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know, if you know, a few years ago,

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:28,960
Speaker 11: if we ever would have thought that they'd get rid

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01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 11: of a chain gang, But you know, it does make

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01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 11: sense when We're sitting at home or whatever and we're

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Speaker 11: watching and we see the first down marker and you see,

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Speaker 11: you know, a guy placed the ball at the wrong

1321
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 11: spot and you're like, well, no, hey, this is where

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Speaker 11: it was.

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Speaker 5: But hey, if you've got the technology there, I guess

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Speaker 5: put it to use.

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Speaker 11: And you know, it's kind of sad for nostalgic purposes

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01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 11: wouldn't have the chain gang there.

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Speaker 5: But this is a modern age.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the credit card in between the football

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01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,719
Speaker 2: and the first down marker sealed. It gotta do better,

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Speaker 2: so hopefully they do. Thanks for the time, Mike, We appreciate.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch up with you later in the offseason.

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Speaker 5: Thanks having going.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's Mike Jones joining us. He is the

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Speaker 2: national NFL writer for the Athletic and I think he'll

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Speaker 2: be covering the owners meetings here coming up in a week,

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Speaker 2: so we'll see what he has on that at the Athletic. So, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he gave B grades to the re signing of Daikwon

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Speaker 2: Jones and aj Epanessa, and a B grade for Curtis Samuel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the Bills have done solidly in

1341
01:10:33,760 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: free agency despite the fact that they were capstrap let's

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01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: be honest. So if you factor that in, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they've you know, they haven't made these

1344
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 2: headline signings, but I think they've done well to refortify

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Speaker 2: the roster.

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Speaker 3: I think when people look at the team, they see

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01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 3: aj Panessa and Daikwon Jones. I don't think people on

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Speaker 3: the outside of you know, the Bills fans and you

1349
01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:02,440
Speaker 3: and me here, you know, they don't see how relieving

1350
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: that is for the people who followed the team because

1351
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 3: there was nobody there. They didn't have any warm bodies there,

1352
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 3: let alone guys that have been in the defense and

1353
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,599
Speaker 3: started to play well, and certainly Daikwan Jones was as

1354
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 3: valuable a defensive lineman as they had last year. And

1355
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: I think that as much as anything, the relief and

1356
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:23,360
Speaker 3: the ability to get those guys back in the fold

1357
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 3: meant more to the people in the Bills organization and

1358
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 3: their fan base than it did to people around the league.

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Speaker 2: Right. And you know, I think de Kwon, who had

1360
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 2: his press conference right after he resigned, with the media,

1361
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 2: he was asked to kind of describe his last couple

1362
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 2: of years here with the Bills. He goes, it's weird,

1363
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 2: He goes, but I'm thirty two year olds years old,

1364
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 2: and I think it's finally all clicked for me. I

1365
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:51,559
Speaker 2: think I'm playing my best football, which is not something

1366
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: you commonly hear about a thirty two year old lineman

1367
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 2: in the league on either side of the ball. But

1368
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 2: that and I understand that's his opinion, but who would

1369
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: know better? Uh? And he feels like he's playing the

1370
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Speaker 2: best football of his career just because of all the

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Speaker 2: knowledge he has gained over the years he's spent in

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Speaker 2: the league, and fortunately for him, with the exception of

1373
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 2: the torn peck in Week five last year, his body

1374
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 2: is held up to allow him to play that well. Yeah,

1375
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:15,960
Speaker 2: and certainly.

1376
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,120
Speaker 3: He has been a difference maker the last year or

1377
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 3: two that he has been a Buffalo Bill. They've needed

1378
01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 3: him and he has made a difference, particularly with a

1379
01:12:28,520 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: guy like Ed Oliver had Oliver signing the extension last

1380
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 3: year and then exploded for his best year ever. Dake

1381
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 3: one was a part of that. But certainly, as you

1382
01:12:37,400 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 3: get you know, you get into your thirty age, thirty one,

1383
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 3: thirty two, thirty three year season, injuries become harder and

1384
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 3: harder to avoid and you don't heal as fast as

1385
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 3: you did when you're twenty six, So it's it's a

1386
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:51,599
Speaker 3: big difference and you know something worth watching.

1387
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we are going to take a break here. When

1388
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 2: we come back, we'll get back into our conversation about

1389
01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:02,200
Speaker 2: have the Bills put them to elves in best player

1390
01:13:02,360 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 2: available mode for the draft with what they've done thus

1391
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 2: far in free agency? You can give us call at

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Speaker 2: eight h three zero five fifty one eighty eight five

1393
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 2: fifty two five fifty got some open lines for you there.

1394
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 2: We got to crack open the tweet sheet as well

1395
01:13:14,160 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 2: to get some of your comments that you sent into

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01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 2: us earlier here on one Bill's Live, presented by col

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Speaker 2: Oid of Health's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right back here

1398
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,760
Speaker 2: on one of Bill's Live, Chris Brown Steve Tasker with

1399
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,360
Speaker 2: you and wanted to crack open the tweet sheet to

1400
01:13:30,360 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: get some of your thoughts there where we were asking

1401
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 2: if the Bills put themselves in best player available mode

1402
01:13:36,360 --> 01:13:38,120
Speaker 2: for the draft with what they've done thus far. Free

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01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:40,519
Speaker 2: agency tweets sheet is always brought to you by Corgan

1404
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,599
Speaker 2: Moving Systems, official equipment moving company of the Buffalo Bills,

1405
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 2: and Fitz leads us off and says no shallow on

1406
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: the D line and at safety, I would tend to

1407
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 2: agree there is work to be done at safety, and

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01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,479
Speaker 2: as we told you at the top of the show,

1409
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 2: the Bills are kicking the tires with some reported free

1410
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: agent visits from Kansas City free agent safety Mike Edwards

1411
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 2: and Indianapolis safety who's also a free agent, Julian Blackman.

1412
01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 2: We'll see if there are others. And yeah, there's some

1413
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: D line holes to fill as well, because as we've

1414
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: told you all off season, eight free agents on Buffalo's

1415
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 2: defensive line. They've signed back two of them, but that

1416
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: still leaves six holes on what would be a fifty

1417
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:28,599
Speaker 2: three man roster, forget about an off season roster of ninety.

1418
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: So some work to be done, I think.

1419
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 3: For sure, And there I would agree exactly with Fitz.

1420
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm they're just not quite there yet. Now, certainly they're

1421
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,520
Speaker 3: in better spot than they have been with Curtis, Samuel

1422
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: de Kwon Aj those guys getting signed back, and certainly

1423
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 3: wouldn't have any problem going into the season with those

1424
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 3: guys on your team. But you still need depth. You

1425
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,040
Speaker 3: still need some guys that can step in and you

1426
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 3: want to get as good a guys as you can.

1427
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 3: I think the two guys that are visiting at Safety

1428
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: that you just mentioned are huge. Signing both of them

1429
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: is probably a pipe dream. But man o, man, if

1430
01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 3: they did, Wow, that.

1431
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,200
Speaker 2: Would close the gap considerably on Wow. What they would

1432
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 2: still have to fill. I'd be happy with just one

1433
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: of them, quite frankly.

1434
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,280
Speaker 3: I would too. There, but get to get the both

1435
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 3: of those guys.

1436
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be a little rich, but we'll see.

1437
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 2: Stranger things have happened. Next up on the tweet sheet,

1438
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: there is who do I have here? Hold on, I

1439
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,840
Speaker 2: lost it there? It is mer who says I think

1440
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: they will be in best player mode. They have three

1441
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 2: picks in the top one hundred. No they don't. They

1442
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 2: actually only have two, two in the top sixty. Their

1443
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 2: next pick is at one eight, so they can get

1444
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 2: a top player at a position of need and then

1445
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: get a couple of other top players at other positions. Yeah,

1446
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 2: they don't have three picks in the top one hundred

1447
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:55,320
Speaker 2: because they didn't get the anticipated third round compensatory. That's

1448
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 2: really a fly in the ointment to the whole approach.

1449
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:03,880
Speaker 3: We we all pump fake. Ever, So Buffalo gets twenty eight,

1450
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: gets number sixty and then you know their audio twenty eight.

1451
01:16:08,240 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 2: You know one bottom round four twenty eight. It's not

1452
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,639
Speaker 2: just round four, it's the bottom of round four, bottom

1453
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 2: of round Like, it's going to be a long wait

1454
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 2: unless they decide to make a move. Yeah, you know,

1455
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,759
Speaker 2: up the board for somebody. So right, Yeah, Garvey says

1456
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 2: on the tweet sheet. I like that it gives them options.

1457
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind seeing them trade out of pick twenty eight,

1458
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: pick up another two or three and something next year

1459
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,639
Speaker 2: if their player isn't there would be a change from

1460
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 2: the norm there though. Yeah, you're right, because more often

1461
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: than not, Brandon being trades up, not down. And I

1462
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,559
Speaker 2: think based on everything we've seen Steve, there's going to

1463
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 2: be quality talent there at twenty eight. So I can't

1464
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:44,439
Speaker 2: see Brandon moving out.

1465
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

1466
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,880
Speaker 2: May not be at receiver, but there's gonna be quality

1467
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: talent there.

1468
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:57,080
Speaker 3: Right this draft, you're gonna yeah, there's good players throughout

1469
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 3: the first round. You can say whatever you want, like, well,

1470
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Speaker 3: this last year we had like sixteen of the thirty

1471
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Speaker 3: two first round picks, we had a second round talent.

1472
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Speaker 3: There's really only sixteen got out of all that. Listen

1473
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 3: wide receiver. There's gonna be six or seven guys that

1474
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 3: are gonna flirt, at least flirt with the first round,

1475
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:18,920
Speaker 3: if not outright get picked in it. You're gonna have

1476
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 3: a shot at three of them. The Bills are gonna

1477
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 3: they're gonna take one of those dudes, I would think,

1478
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 3: and who knows if it's not gonna be you know,

1479
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,799
Speaker 3: at a different position, I who knows. But at twenty

1480
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 3: eight it's too near the top of the draft to

1481
01:17:39,080 --> 01:17:43,000
Speaker 3: trade out and get a guy inside the first for me,

1482
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 3: Inside the first one and a half rounds of the draft,

1483
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 3: maybe the first two rounds of the draft, you're getting

1484
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: guys that are a coin flip at being really good pros,

1485
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 3: if not all pros or Pro bowlers. It's a coin

1486
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 3: flip because of their athletic ability that you can see

1487
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 3: in measure and you don't have to you have to

1488
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 3: guess about the rest of it, all the stuff between

1489
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 3: their ears and inside their chests, and they're they're you know,

1490
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: their work gathering all that other stuff that's the that's

1491
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 3: the side of the coin you don't know about. So

1492
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,080
Speaker 3: you're trading out of a spot where you got a

1493
01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 3: coin flip down a couple of rounds to places where

1494
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,960
Speaker 3: you got you don't know if they're really physically able

1495
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:24,880
Speaker 3: to do it, and you're not, and you're just as

1496
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 3: unsure about the intangibles. So it gets more and more

1497
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,040
Speaker 3: of a question mark the further down the rounds you go,

1498
01:18:31,160 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: So trading out of that twenty eight you're just lowering

1499
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:36,840
Speaker 3: your chances of getting a guy who can both physically

1500
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:40,280
Speaker 3: look like it and mentally do it. It's just a

1501
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 3: bigger question mark the further you get down from the

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01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,240
Speaker 3: top of the draft. So I'm I'm.

1503
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 2: Not a big fan of trading back. Yeah, Brian on

1504
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:52,479
Speaker 2: the tree sheet says not yet, unless you're under the

1505
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,080
Speaker 2: belief they're rolling into the ear with tailor rapping cam

1506
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 2: Lewis as you're starting safeties and no rotation on the

1507
01:18:57,439 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 2: defensive line. They got they gotta get bught. The interesting

1508
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:05,120
Speaker 2: thing I would say, though, Steve, is we know that

1509
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,360
Speaker 2: the team is a little more cap strapped than they've

1510
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: been in recent years, and because of that, maybe they

1511
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 2: can't fill every single vacancy that has come off the

1512
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 2: roster via free agent departures. So maybe there are a

1513
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:28,120
Speaker 2: couple of more vacancies than Brandon and his personnel staff

1514
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,040
Speaker 2: have typically gone into the draft with you know what

1515
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 2: I mean, because a lot of times, a lot of

1516
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 2: the boxes are already checked, maybe not with an A

1517
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 2: plus answer, but at least with a B answer or

1518
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 2: a B minus answer in terms of a player filling

1519
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,439
Speaker 2: the spot currently. And then you, for example, you know

1520
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 2: you have David Edwards, and you have Connor McGovern last

1521
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,640
Speaker 2: year signed in free agency. But then they go and

1522
01:19:50,760 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: draft Osirus Torrance in round two. He's a better option.

1523
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,639
Speaker 2: He starts at right guard. Maybe this year at another position,

1524
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 2: d line, for example, maybe with six openings still left

1525
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,719
Speaker 2: right now, maybe they only sign three more defensive linemen

1526
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 2: between now and the draft, which still leaves openings on

1527
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:12,360
Speaker 2: the roster at that position, as opposed to, hey, we've

1528
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 2: got some veteran options we can choose from, but if

1529
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 2: we find a draft of player that we really like,

1530
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:18,720
Speaker 2: we're gonna plug that guy right in. I don't know

1531
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 2: if you are gonna have that kind of depth of

1532
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 2: talent on the roster already by the time you get

1533
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 2: to the draft.

1534
01:20:25,640 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 3: And right now they've got just shy of eight million

1535
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 3: dollars in cap room, just shy of eight so they're.

1536
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 2: Not Is that counting the Johnson extension yet or no.

1537
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 3: It does. Fifty eight guys signed, so I think you

1538
01:20:44,120 --> 01:20:46,679
Speaker 3: know they've they do have some room, and they're gonna

1539
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 3: have to continue to free up some cash. But yeah,

1540
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 3: I don't think there.

1541
01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 2: Let's see.

1542
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,200
Speaker 3: Let me see if they got Taron Johnson on here.

1543
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 2: All the way down, that's the big question. I don't

1544
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: know that the terms are readily available, but we can check.

1545
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's on here, but his cap number, Yeah, his

1546
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 3: cap number was still twelve million on this, so it

1547
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 3: may be less.

1548
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 2: They don't have the terms yet to justify it, to

1549
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 2: adjust hampers.

1550
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 3: It may be up above ten million in cap.

1551
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 2: Room, depending on what they did with it.

1552
01:21:20,040 --> 01:21:21,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's what. Yeah, So.

1553
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,759
Speaker 2: Well, we'll see they're not strapped for cashingymore.

1554
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,479
Speaker 3: They've got the money to do it, and we'll have

1555
01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:31,240
Speaker 3: to wait and see what happens as a result. If anything,

1556
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:33,840
Speaker 3: they may just be sitting tight until the draft.

1557
01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 2: Ed says on the tweet sheet, probably but that but

1558
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 2: does that necessarily fill roster needs? Maybe not. Brandon Bean

1559
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 2: has always adopted the approach of best player available in

1560
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: the draft. He feels more comfortable doing that naturally if

1561
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 2: he's filled as many holes as possible in free agency.

1562
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 2: But the only time he waivers on that, as he says, Look,

1563
01:21:55,560 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 2: if we have a position of need, and we have

1564
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: another position where we have another player, and those two

1565
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,920
Speaker 2: players are virtually equal in terms of grade, will lean

1566
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: towards the position need. You know, you know, all things equal,

1567
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: will lean to position need. That just makes sense. That's

1568
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 2: the only way they even remotely deviate. And in reality,

1569
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 2: they're not really deviating because they're still sticking to the

1570
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,880
Speaker 2: value on their board. That's the only time they lean

1571
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,719
Speaker 2: towards need when the grades are virtually identical on maybe

1572
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,519
Speaker 2: two prospects that they like when they're on the clock,

1573
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 2: other than moving up, you know, the board to secure

1574
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 2: somebody Alan to Digs fourteen seventeen says, they're almost there.

1575
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 2: I'd like to see a safety with playing experience signed.

1576
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 2: I think being does it and gets them there. I

1577
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't be mad if best player available as an offensive lineman.

1578
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: That's an interesting thought. I don't see why they would.

1579
01:22:57,800 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: I understand you subtracted Morse from the equation. The general

1580
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 2: consensus is that Connor McGovern's going to move into the

1581
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,559
Speaker 2: pivot from his left guard spot and David Edwards slides

1582
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 2: into the starting lineup. Now, that leaves you with less

1583
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,920
Speaker 2: depth because Ryan Bates, let's not forget, is off the

1584
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 2: roster too. I think they will have to draft a

1585
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:18,200
Speaker 2: couple of offensive linemen here because you have a you

1586
01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: have Alec Anderson, you have Ryan Vandermark as capable backup

1587
01:23:23,560 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 2: players you know in the trenches there beyond them, it

1588
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,040
Speaker 2: is a little sparse, so I could see some late

1589
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 2: round ads for the offensive line, and as I mentioned

1590
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 2: on the show yesterday, Brandon Bean has a pretty good

1591
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 2: track record of drafting late round offensive linemen because a

1592
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: lot of them that couldn't stay on this roster are

1593
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 2: still playing in the league.

1594
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've still got guys like Tommy Doyle banging around.

1595
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:52,080
Speaker 2: To see how he comes back from that second ACL But.

1596
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: Yes, right, Kevin Jarvis is still around. The guys that

1597
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 3: you know most, you know you have to wait and see.

1598
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 3: But they are an offensive You're never wrong in drafting

1599
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 3: a good one.

1600
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 2: I just don't know if they're doing it early.

1601
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a hard time seeing it early this

1602
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 3: year too.

1603
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 2: Elliott on the tweets sheet says, I'd feel a bit

1604
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 2: better if we brought in a Justin Simmons or a

1605
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 2: Julian Blackman at safety before the draft, maybe a free

1606
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 2: agent defensive tackle as well. But Bean has always done

1607
01:24:21,320 --> 01:24:23,439
Speaker 2: a great job at putting himself in the best player

1608
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 2: available situations by the time the draft starts. Yeah, I

1609
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 2: mean we're still over a month away here. There's a

1610
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: lot of time. It's kind of check more of those

1611
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: boxes where the holes on the roster exist.

1612
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 3: We'll probably revisit this exact question a week before the draft.

1613
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:43,960
Speaker 3: But last year we saw very late signings and they

1614
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 3: turned out to be right on the money. Leonard Floyd

1615
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 3: kind of thing. So poon Afford and poon Afford some

1616
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:54,800
Speaker 3: guys who really were contributors. So I'm I'm thinking that

1617
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 3: it's going to replay itself again. And just wait and

1618
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 3: I'll say it again. As a former player, you're out

1619
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 3: there on the free agent market. All sounds great, all

1620
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,519
Speaker 3: that big money flying around out there. Stuff.

1621
01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 2: The longer it goes, the more desperate.

1622
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 3: You become to get a job, and that means sign

1623
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 3: on whatever you're getting offered. Certainly, that's the way the

1624
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: GMS and then the atmosphere kind of works. A lot

1625
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:21,320
Speaker 3: of agents handle a lot of guys, not every agent,

1626
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:23,200
Speaker 3: but then there's some agents that just handle one or

1627
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: two guys or one guy and they have conversations with

1628
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 3: the gms, and the gms will tell them say, listen,

1629
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:33,040
Speaker 3: this is the ballpark we're thinking. If you want it,

1630
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 3: it's going to be there. If not, you can go

1631
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 3: out and good luck to you. You know, I hope

1632
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,640
Speaker 3: you signed the best deal you can. But this is

1633
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 3: where our financial assistance situation is, and this is how

1634
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 3: we our value we put on you, and you know,

1635
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:50,959
Speaker 3: the guy's got to sit there and stew about it.

1636
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes those those deals dry up.

1637
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Justin Simmons would be a perfect example for that,

1638
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,600
Speaker 2: because this guy is why they considered one of the

1639
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 2: best safeties in the entire league. Xavier McKinney got his

1640
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,559
Speaker 2: money on the free agent market. Justin Simmons is still waiting.

1641
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 2: I mean, well, that is that a guy that's gonna

1642
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,639
Speaker 2: take a one year deal. People would scoff at that thought.

1643
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:13,160
Speaker 2: One of the best safeties in the draft's gonna take

1644
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:15,439
Speaker 2: a one year deal. What are you nuts, man, he's

1645
01:26:15,479 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 2: still sitting out there. We get to next week.

1646
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:20,280
Speaker 3: That's right, he might take one, right, and that's the

1647
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 3: thing that the GM will tell you said, listen, this

1648
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 3: is our offer. But we're looking right now. We're shopping.

1649
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 3: So if we signed somebody, you know deals, deal's done.

1650
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 3: So if you see us signing somebody, you can bet

1651
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 3: that that deal is not going to be there when

1652
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 3: we do.

1653
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 2: Uh.

1654
01:26:32,920 --> 01:26:35,759
Speaker 3: These two guys they have in this today or yesterday

1655
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:39,920
Speaker 3: and today they'll know the score. And man, oh man,

1656
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:42,400
Speaker 3: you start seeing teams sign safeties. If you're at that's

1657
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: just position you're playing, You're gonna it lights a fire,

1658
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 3: no question about it.

1659
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. Some final thoughts on the tweetsheet.

1660
01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 2: When we return here on one Bill's Live presented by

1661
01:26:52,840 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 2: Colid of Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. All right, some

1662
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 2: final thoughts here on the tweets sheet. As we were

1663
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 2: asking if the Bills to put themselves in best player

1664
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: available mode for the draft with what they've done thus

1665
01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:19,400
Speaker 2: far in free agency, Jack says, no, they need more

1666
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 2: help at d line and safety. They need to at

1667
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:25,639
Speaker 2: least add one more guy at defensive tackle and then

1668
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:27,640
Speaker 2: strong safety and then maybe we can go get the

1669
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 2: best athlete. Until then they'll still be needs And I'm

1670
01:27:30,640 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 2: still on the wide receiver train in round one. Hello

1671
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 2: from Honolulu. I think they need a free safety. Don't

1672
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: you think Wrap's going to be more of the box guy, right, Yeah,

1673
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 2: Mike Edwards is a free safety. So you know, with

1674
01:27:43,640 --> 01:27:45,120
Speaker 2: the reports visiting today.

1675
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,759
Speaker 3: At interchangeable skill sets in there. But yes, one guy's

1676
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,040
Speaker 3: going to spend a lot of time tackling up in

1677
01:27:52,080 --> 01:27:52,479
Speaker 3: the box.

1678
01:27:53,080 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 2: And I would tend to think that that would be wrapped,

1679
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 2: but we'll have to wait and see, and I guess yeah,

1680
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: in an ideal world, they're both in changeable. But you

1681
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 2: can't always capture that. But that's something we'll have to

1682
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,479
Speaker 2: wait and see down the line as to who they

1683
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: ultimately are able to acquire to fortify the safety position.

1684
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: And yes, from a sheer number standpoint, defensive line is

1685
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 2: still on the to do list. Six vacancies from what

1686
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 2: I had there last year.

1687
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,599
Speaker 3: I'm and you know, having sit there and sit here

1688
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 3: like this, maybe you know, defensive lineman does come to

1689
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 3: the forefront. Maybe they do get the kid from Illinois,

1690
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 3: if he's still on the board. I don't know if

1691
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 3: he will be, Oh, Johnnyton, maybe that comes. Maybe that

1692
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,360
Speaker 3: comes up because they'll be able to you know, because

1693
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,400
Speaker 3: they like the Curtis Samuel signing, and they feel like

1694
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 3: they're solid enough at the top and they're gonna be

1695
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,400
Speaker 3: able to get some help at the bottom. Or maybe

1696
01:28:45,400 --> 01:28:48,400
Speaker 3: they like Justin Shorter or Tyrrel Shavers, the guy's already

1697
01:28:48,439 --> 01:28:52,679
Speaker 3: on their roster. Who knows, But right now the glaring

1698
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 3: need on their roster would be a defensive line in safety,

1699
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 3: both safety spots, and yeah, that keeps them from being

1700
01:29:01,600 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 3: in best player available.

1701
01:29:03,240 --> 01:29:05,400
Speaker 2: I still think linebacker is kind of a sneaky need

1702
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 2: for them. No One, Milano's not gonna be ready till

1703
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:11,879
Speaker 2: training camp, and you know, Dodson's elsewhere now signed in Seattle.

1704
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 2: Need some help there too. We got more to discuss,

1705
01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:16,439
Speaker 2: and we'll do it with you tomorrow at once. We'll

1706
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 2: see you then