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Speaker 1: this morning. I love this. Hey. Yeah, even though we
Speaker 1: didn't get the excellence this morning all over the place,
Speaker 1: not not didn't get it out before. See, this is
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Speaker 1: So I'm happy. Usually that's a pre show discussion. We
Speaker 1: just shouldn't hear it. Yeah, just getting a sample. No,
Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah, so many things in the breaking, so
Speaker 1: many things in the break we don't say that. Thank God,
Speaker 1: pulling back to Curtin a little bit, don't like saying, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying. I mean, there might be some animosity in
Speaker 1: some places, but not really. I think every show gets
Speaker 1: along pretty well, but not as well as we do.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Yeah, So we have a lot
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Speaker 1: to talk about a problem the Cowboys nation is having. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're all in a great mood this morning, and I
Speaker 1: don't need to brag it drag it down any but
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have lost to Marcus Lawrence for an extended
Speaker 1: period of time. He suffered a broken foot in yesterday's practice,
Speaker 1: and the edge rusher, former pro bowler, top end edge
Speaker 1: rusher in the NFL, is now sidelined. Rob What it was,
Speaker 1: some of the developments on this, and what does the
Speaker 1: timeline look like at the moment. The report, I think
Speaker 1: from Ian Rapp report was it's the fifth metatarslank you
Speaker 1: heck reminded me of that before the show, if that's correct.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the exact same thing as
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, but it is a similar type of injury
Speaker 1: from my understanding from his rookie year, right, Yes, And
Speaker 1: so when that happened, it was like July twenty ninth
Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen. He debuted on like November second, so
Speaker 1: that was like twelve weeks. And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 1: going to be that long, and if you know, there
Speaker 1: was also a report that it will need surgery, if
Speaker 1: surgery can speed up that process, actually if you put
Speaker 1: a screw in there or whatever they do, So I
Speaker 1: would say at least six to eight is probably a
Speaker 1: fair assessment. They're gonna put him on IR and you're
Speaker 1: probably not going to see him for a couple of months,
Speaker 1: and we'll see what they do. They're probably gonna have
Speaker 1: to roll with the guys they've got. Maybe they look
Speaker 1: at it adding some help. I don't know how, you
Speaker 1: know who you could find at this point in the
Speaker 1: Sea season. But this sucks. Yeah, it's not fun. It's
Speaker 1: another starter that that currently is dealing with injuries at
Speaker 1: the moment. We'll get into some of the rest of
Speaker 1: that here in a minute, But just how big of
Speaker 1: a loss is this, Isaiah? I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it could be understated, especially whenever we spent yesterday
Speaker 1: talking about the Cowboys defense going up against the Chargers
Speaker 1: offense and what was one of the number one things
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys defense needed to get done, get pressure,
Speaker 1: and now this is a huge wrench in that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this sucks. I mean, there's no, I mean we've had
Speaker 1: a span of bad luck here over these first two weeks.
Speaker 1: It seems like our first game was forever ago, and
Speaker 1: we started off the year with a little adversity. Whether
Speaker 1: you obviously have Martin down and now we've you know,
Speaker 1: we've lost Collins, and then we lost Gregory potentially, and
Speaker 1: now we lost our other defense at end d law. Um,
Speaker 1: it's not good. And I can tell you guys, this
Speaker 1: fifth metatarso thing sucks. This outside of your outside of
Speaker 1: your foot. Um, this is on the literally literally the
Speaker 1: outside of your foot. Now, we don't know how bad
Speaker 1: it is, We don't know what they're going to require.
Speaker 1: Ropes obviously reported that it might require surgery. That means
Speaker 1: that you have to put a pin in it or
Speaker 1: screw in it, which means that you're then gonna have
Speaker 1: to allow that bone to then form around it and
Speaker 1: heal around it. Now you're talking most likely, I don't
Speaker 1: want to speculate, but you're probably looking at six week
Speaker 1: times period. I've had foot surgery. I came into the
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys with a major foot injury called a
Speaker 1: total list Frank that took me out nine to twelve months. However,
Speaker 1: feet suck because you have to play on them every
Speaker 1: single play, and as a defensive end, you have to
Speaker 1: push against three hundred pound men every single play. Also,
Speaker 1: as a defensive end, you have to put all two
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds of you right two sixties around
Speaker 1: there and push and be able to change directions in
Speaker 1: an explosive manner, which is not conducive to having injured
Speaker 1: foot as well. So not only does that foot have
Speaker 1: to heal, but that foot has to heal and be
Speaker 1: able to bear the weight and force that you're going
Speaker 1: to be applying to it and against it. Um. It's
Speaker 1: not a good scenario. Um, it's not what you want
Speaker 1: to hear. Um, it sucks, Dan, I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you say after that? It does? And there's no other
Speaker 1: way to describe it. Um. But you know when when
Speaker 1: it was announced that he broke it, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I am I'm taking Rob p off of my notifications
Speaker 1: because it's only when I get a notification from Rob
Speaker 1: I cringe. No text messages are good. Texas is fun, No,
Speaker 1: it is. But when I get that to it that,
Speaker 1: when I get that notification from Rob, it seems to
Speaker 1: be just riddled with bad news and this was this
Speaker 1: was one and you know, I think for the Cowboys, man,
Speaker 1: we have to that next man up, next man up thing,
Speaker 1: just throw it out the window right now. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think getting there, you know, yeah, yeah, you guys
Speaker 1: are not about to jump me to that and I'm
Speaker 1: not going with that. And what I'm saying to you
Speaker 1: is we got to throw that out and we really
Speaker 1: got to be in on all hands on deck philosophy
Speaker 1: right now as far as the defensive ends are concerned,
Speaker 1: because we did talk about that at length yesterday about
Speaker 1: him winning his one on one battle and also creating
Speaker 1: that pressure. The other thing about it is, anytime you
Speaker 1: lose a guy that of tank status, you always think about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who is the guy not to replace him, but who
Speaker 1: is the guy that we have that can play up
Speaker 1: to the standard that he's set here and we brought
Speaker 1: into real bashing. We've had Bradley and I. These are
Speaker 1: guys that have to to step up. Darren's Armstrong is
Speaker 1: another name that's gonna have to be you know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna have to be lights out. And also the rookie
Speaker 1: that hasn't taken any staffs, Chauncey Gholston is also going
Speaker 1: to have to come in and make an immediate impact.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that I like about Ghoston and
Speaker 1: just as a side note, is just his flexibility and
Speaker 1: being able to kick inside and do some other things. So, look,
Speaker 1: the defense is shorthanded and if Randy Gregory can't go,
Speaker 1: then that just adds insult to injury basically, U literally
Speaker 1: and in a way you have to you know, look
Speaker 1: at Will McClay and say, and Stephen Jones and say, look,
Speaker 1: you guys have had a lot of drafts to bring
Speaker 1: in guys and whether it be your your your thing
Speaker 1: that you believe in drafting based off of need or
Speaker 1: best best player available, this is the point in time
Speaker 1: in the season where you want to see those things
Speaker 1: start to pay off with your talent the guys behind him,
Speaker 1: I want, I mean, does this change the trajectory of
Speaker 1: this defense this season? That that's my question. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still think they can be better than last year
Speaker 1: and still productive defense, but we're talking about their best
Speaker 1: player and a guy that you know, the sacks haven't
Speaker 1: been there the last couple of years, but he pushes
Speaker 1: the pocket, he's really good against the run. That's that's
Speaker 1: that's an area besides the pass rush that they've got
Speaker 1: to figure out is setting the edge on that left side.
Speaker 1: And Terrell Basham they signed him in the off season
Speaker 1: and that's something he's done pretty well in his career.
Speaker 1: But this is this is a huge loss man. It's
Speaker 1: gonna have to maybe change the way they play, you know.
Speaker 1: Is Micah Parson's gonna have to take on maybe a
Speaker 1: little bit different role than he than he was planned too,
Speaker 1: you know, more less off the ball, more of a
Speaker 1: pass rusher. I'm curious to see what they do. But
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Duran's Armstrong can step in and and
Speaker 1: bash them and they can be they can be productive.
Speaker 1: I mean, Armstrong had a good camp um, but for
Speaker 1: this game in particular, you're probably missing your top two
Speaker 1: pass rushers. I'd be surprised if Gregory returns in time.
Speaker 1: I'm probably in his little canoe or kayak by myself.
Speaker 1: When I when I when I stand by behind the
Speaker 1: statement and say, I don't think we're going to miss
Speaker 1: d Law's pass rushing ability. I don't want to make
Speaker 1: it might probably I'll probably boy myself on that one.
Speaker 1: And I understand that I'm a lone ranger. I'm a
Speaker 1: lone wolf. You know what I mean. I'm a lone wolf.
Speaker 1: Have the tattoo on my back shoulder. U. D Law,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the last two years, has not been
Speaker 1: that productive sax wise. That does not mean that he
Speaker 1: has not been productive in terms of pressure. Sure, Okay,
Speaker 1: so it hasn't showed up in a stat sheet. I
Speaker 1: think that impact that he has on the actual field
Speaker 1: more so it comes in the form of leadership and hustle.
Speaker 1: That too, unnult, you're just unwavering, just effort. That kind
Speaker 1: of sets the tone absolutely. So that's where I believe
Speaker 1: that we will miss him more than what most people
Speaker 1: tend to go to when they think of d Law
Speaker 1: and they start talking about sex, because he's a defensive
Speaker 1: end and what a defensive ends supposed to do. They're
Speaker 1: supposed to get sacks and apply pressure. I think his
Speaker 1: effort that he exudes I think that that can be duplicated.
Speaker 1: I do believe that can be duplicated. Now, how much
Speaker 1: pressure can we get that's the question. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that we were going to get to Justin Herbert and
Speaker 1: sack him a bunch of this game. If they ran
Speaker 1: the same game plan that they ran last week get
Speaker 1: against Washington. We weren't getting into backfield anyway, okay, because
Speaker 1: those guys are getting the ball off so quick and
Speaker 1: they have a dog at tackle, so our guys were
Speaker 1: going to have a problem anyway. So I don't think
Speaker 1: that we were going to miss that aspect. But to
Speaker 1: your point, his run defense really good, right. The fact
Speaker 1: that he can go up the field and actually reverse reverse,
Speaker 1: reverse field, get back up field in punch the ball out,
Speaker 1: those are the plays that we're going to miss, not
Speaker 1: him going around and trying to get a sack on Herbert.
Speaker 1: That's just my thoughts. Now, that makes sense. I see
Speaker 1: what you're saying there. It's most of the it's the
Speaker 1: complete picture of the Marcus Lawrence that you're gonna miss,
Speaker 1: more so than the specifics actually having the number of sacks,
Speaker 1: which is kind of what we've seen with his career
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Now. One thing that we
Speaker 1: will definitely miss is the fact that his just presence
Speaker 1: brings depth immediately, because instead of talking about Terrell Basham
Speaker 1: and Dorn's Armstrong as your go to edge rushers, you're saying, oh,
Speaker 1: these are rotational guys that are gonna be fresh. Those
Speaker 1: legs are gonna be right there, and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: right up on it to be able to continue that
Speaker 1: pressure at a more constant pace. Now, whenever it's not
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham out there, who's your fresh legs, it's Bradley
Speaker 1: and I and Azurkamara, which is a much deeper drop
Speaker 1: off than what you would have it was DeMarcus Lawrence. Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: Terrell Basham, by the way, last year four sacks, twenty
Speaker 1: one hurries, thirty two total pressures in seven hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty four snaps against or as a part of the
Speaker 1: New York Chests. And he's an energy guy, like that's
Speaker 1: what he talked about at camp, and so I think
Speaker 1: that that was that's a good signing. You think that
Speaker 1: can step in and help. And he's bigger than yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: six foot four, two sixty six. Now what I love.
Speaker 1: I mean what you just said, Isaiah's just basically keeping
Speaker 1: it real as far as the production numbers. And then
Speaker 1: when you lose a guy of his caliber, that's what
Speaker 1: you look at is the production numbers. But again, you
Speaker 1: understand that teams have scheme to take him out and
Speaker 1: his ability to still be solid in run defense, and
Speaker 1: there are a lot of guys in the NFL that
Speaker 1: don't care. I mean, they want to go for protect
Speaker 1: just the numbers, and d Law isn't that guy, and
Speaker 1: so we have character and also you talk about what
Speaker 1: he means to this team off the field, so that's
Speaker 1: important as well. But that calls to the production that
Speaker 1: we hadn't been getting on the other side. Also, because
Speaker 1: if LA teams are scheming for d Law, then that
Speaker 1: means that's a guy on the other side that's not
Speaker 1: beating his his guy. Yeah, and that's that's sucks too,
Speaker 1: because we didn't really see as much of that tandem
Speaker 1: with Gregory and Tank because of kind of the humidity.
Speaker 1: They just they rotated a lot of guys in and out,
Speaker 1: and now we're not going to see it for several weeks.
Speaker 1: Can I just throw a statat you real quick? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You can. You made me sad already from Todd Archer yep.
Speaker 1: According to ESPN Stats and Info, Tank is one of
Speaker 1: four players in the last four years to generate at
Speaker 1: least two hundred first pressures. Yeah, pressures Aaron Donald, Cameron,
Speaker 1: Jordan Khalil Mack good, disgracious, that's his company. That's the list.
Speaker 1: I just think. I just think there's stuff he does
Speaker 1: that you don't see. Yeah, it didn't run. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: that's what that's what I want fans to understand. Right,
Speaker 1: So when we're having these conversations, everything doesn't show up
Speaker 1: in the stat sheet, right, dan Quinn was talking about
Speaker 1: that the other day. Everything does not show up in
Speaker 1: a stat sheet, I know, especially defensively, especially defensive. We're
Speaker 1: talking about d law right now. But look at Zeke.
Speaker 1: People want to look at Zeke last week and run
Speaker 1: him into the ground, right, Well, he should have. He
Speaker 1: should have made that guy miss you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: He blocks that Zeke kept off a dog on deck
Speaker 1: last week? Really, you know what I mean? How great
Speaker 1: of a job he did blocking. How many running backs
Speaker 1: really want to stick their head in there and block
Speaker 1: and be team players? So people look at the stats
Speaker 1: and think that that's the whole picture. There are plenty
Speaker 1: of guys in his league that have been around for
Speaker 1: a very long time, right, one of my boys in
Speaker 1: New England, Matthew Slater, Right, how many does he really
Speaker 1: show up in a stat sheet? Know the things that
Speaker 1: he does, He forces punts, he forces his fair catches,
Speaker 1: the right he forces, you know, obviously just fair. You know,
Speaker 1: fair catches he forces, the guys are taking knee in
Speaker 1: the end zone. Those are things that don't show up.
Speaker 1: But guess what, he's a huge part of that team
Speaker 1: and he has a huge impact every single year. So
Speaker 1: everything doesn't show up in the stats. But d law
Speaker 1: in the presence that he has on this team is
Speaker 1: so much greater than what he showed with him well
Speaker 1: shows him on a stat shee and everybody wants to
Speaker 1: look at all his production in relation to his salary.
Speaker 1: It's that's not the complete picture. Before we go to
Speaker 1: break the list of Cowboys starters dealing or have dealt
Speaker 1: with injuries or absences before Week two, Neville Gallimore in
Speaker 1: the preseason, Zach Martin, who luckily has returned after missing
Speaker 1: Week one, Michael Gallup, Lyle Collins, Tomorrow, Macus Lawrence, Frandy
Speaker 1: Gregory currently questionable for this week, and then Donovan Wilson
Speaker 1: who is also currently questionable for this week and did
Speaker 1: not participate yesterday. So don't forget a coach too, Oh
Speaker 1: Leon let me on last day in practice. Its crazy
Speaker 1: like and it got rolled up on him bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like it sounds like maybe like a quad thing like oh,
Speaker 1: kind of like a um lacoy kind of like that.
Speaker 1: But actually, yeah, that's not good. Well that's what It's
Speaker 1: just a leon let overall. But I do want to
Speaker 1: I do want to ask, what is this the biggest
Speaker 1: loss so far for the Cowboys to Marcus Lawrence? Is
Speaker 1: this number one on that list? I don't know which one.
Speaker 1: Would it was still Lyle Collins. We talked about probably
Speaker 1: still Collins, I think for this matchup, I might say Lyle,
Speaker 1: but over over the course of two months the extended time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're talking about losing your best defensive player for
Speaker 1: two months or so. I had that That is that's tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just looking at the matchup that you know, Lyle would
Speaker 1: have had this week that now is vaulted into the
Speaker 1: hands of Terrence Steele. Yeah, I mean it's going to
Speaker 1: be impact. What's going to change our whole scheme? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: Leo Collins with that question, Yeah, I was gonna let
Speaker 1: me go ahead and take it to a Shrake because
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about that Terrence Steel Joey Bosa matchup
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Speaker 1: He's jacked up, yeah, and his goal is to draw
Speaker 1: you off side and every time does it all the time,
Speaker 1: so he's very good at doing it. He's too at
Speaker 1: the end of the table or dream brother to drawing
Speaker 1: me off side today. It gets me every time. Uh.
Speaker 1: Cowboys offense versus Chargers defense is our go to matchup
Speaker 1: today and of course we gotta circle the one off
Speaker 1: the right side, no Lyle Collins sing it, Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: and or ty In Zeki, because yesterday it looked like
Speaker 1: they were non committal with Mike McCarthy talking about and
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones talking about that it's not necessarily done yet.
Speaker 1: It's not chocked up to be steel. It's not just
Speaker 1: kind of a smoke screen to say, hey, we threw
Speaker 1: Jerry saying on Tuesday. I mean the steel was it
Speaker 1: Monday or Tuesday? Tuesday morning. They're gonna give him lots
Speaker 1: of help too. I mean he said he sat game plan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: gave it up, didn't he. Maybe maybe Jerry's trying to
Speaker 1: throw them off sides, you know, and then it may
Speaker 1: trot out seventy nine and you know that, Yeah, secret,
Speaker 1: those guys, players of his stature are used to getting
Speaker 1: schem dumb agains right, but yet those guys still find
Speaker 1: a way to make plays. They're used to getting double team.
Speaker 1: Donald's used to getting double team. Boss is used to
Speaker 1: getting chipped on saying doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, it doesn't.
Speaker 1: You do your best, and you make sure that you're
Speaker 1: effective ninety percent of the time, and then you have
Speaker 1: a great chance of winning. Can the Cowboys be successful
Speaker 1: the time? Beat the crap out of him? Okay, well
Speaker 1: they're playing football. I feel like that's an easier thing
Speaker 1: to say. Absolutely, it's easier to easier to say than done.
Speaker 1: But guess what, hey, you see that man over there,
Speaker 1: that all pro and treasure right there, who potentially be
Speaker 1: the best defensive play Guess what Terence still or in
Speaker 1: a second, those guys that have help on their what
Speaker 1: what side? Right? Inside? Right? They have help on the inside. Right,
Speaker 1: So where do you want to force Bosa inside? Inside?
Speaker 1: You have helpt you have help, right. And also you
Speaker 1: have a running back who is willing to make some contact, right.
Speaker 1: We don't have a little soft fee back that he's
Speaker 1: willing to go and run through half of Bosa's body. Right. So,
Speaker 1: watching last week's game, Bosa did a heck of a
Speaker 1: job of rushing upfield, putting a lot of stress on
Speaker 1: the tackle. Sometimes he got there, sometimes he didn't. Right,
Speaker 1: And when those guys started trying to overset him, what
Speaker 1: did he do? He spent back on the inside And
Speaker 1: what were those guys there to do? Gibson was there
Speaker 1: to bust him in his dog on mouth right, So
Speaker 1: you have to be ready to be physical with this
Speaker 1: dude and know that he has a motor. He's like
Speaker 1: the new Age better at Clay Matthews. He just doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: He's like the energizer Bunny. He's just gonna keep coming.
Speaker 1: You get him in his mouth, he's gonna get back
Speaker 1: up right, and just know that that's what you're dealing
Speaker 1: with all game and take the right approach, but know
Speaker 1: that you have to outphysical him because you're not going
Speaker 1: to out effort him. Yeah, and adding details to that, man,
Speaker 1: I just feel as though bubble screens in a situation
Speaker 1: like this on his side, and also running right at him,
Speaker 1: you know, run at him, make him work for it,
Speaker 1: like you're talking about, because both is one of those
Speaker 1: guys on the slow developing run play. He'll get up
Speaker 1: the field, but he'll come right back down. He has
Speaker 1: that same attribute that Tank has as well, so we
Speaker 1: have to watch out for that in his motor. Terrence
Speaker 1: still scares me out there on an island because you
Speaker 1: can't relegate your entire offense to help him the entire game,
Speaker 1: so he's gonna have to win some individual matchups. The
Speaker 1: wide nine worries me also because still had problems with
Speaker 1: the wide nine with Garrett, you know it against Cleveland,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's just one of those things for
Speaker 1: a young guy that we're developing. He's man, he's got
Speaker 1: to win that match up, and especially if this coaching
Speaker 1: staff has that kind of confidence in him, he's got
Speaker 1: to reward him in his play. Dude's got a first
Speaker 1: step like DeMarcus Ware. He really does where you know
Speaker 1: it's so it's so fast you almost think it's a penalty.
Speaker 1: You almost think he's encroaching, and you know you're right.
Speaker 1: Like the Washington didn't ship every time. I mean, they
Speaker 1: there are snaps where you've just got to let them
Speaker 1: try to handle it. And you you mentioned the wide
Speaker 1: nine the run game. I still think watching watching their
Speaker 1: their defense, there's gonna be some opportunities just because there's
Speaker 1: some gaps in their life. Now maybe they shore that up,
Speaker 1: but there's some gaps. And especially sometimes they'll blitz and
Speaker 1: Washington would catch him in a draw, hand it off
Speaker 1: and and yeah, and try to throw him off that way.
Speaker 1: You would hope they get Zeke more involved in this game,
Speaker 1: but he might be busy in pass protection. Again, it's
Speaker 1: It's possible, you know he was. He was asked yesterday, like,
Speaker 1: so you feel fresh because you didn't get a lot
Speaker 1: of get a lot of touches in week one. He's like,
Speaker 1: did I was out there quite a bit, like taking
Speaker 1: on taking on the best D line in the league.
Speaker 1: He probably felt like he was less fresh after that
Speaker 1: game than if you would have run for twenty five carries. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm so again. I probably on this kay at a
Speaker 1: little boat. By myself, I'm definitely worried about Bosa. I'm
Speaker 1: not asked concerned with Bosa taking over this game as
Speaker 1: I am concerned with Bosa and his boy, Kenneth Murray.
Speaker 1: That combination. That combination scares a crap out of me.
Speaker 1: Bosa by himself, we can scheme a defensive end, right,
Speaker 1: one person on the edge is not going to just
Speaker 1: destroy this game. He may get a sack, Right, most
Speaker 1: of the time, we should be half him in check,
Speaker 1: based upon chips, based upon our tight end sets, or
Speaker 1: you know, all the different formations that we have cracked
Speaker 1: backing on. We should we can throw off a defensive end. Now,
Speaker 1: when they start running stunts with him and he crosses across,
Speaker 1: you know, Zach Martin's facing and you bring me Matthews
Speaker 1: on the outside and now he's going against Steel. He yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when I have That's when I worry. Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the running game and even looking at saying it stop
Speaker 1: myself to Chargers, Uh, you know that I think that
Speaker 1: we have some opportunity in the running game with what
Speaker 1: Rob just pick. Backing off of what you said, especially
Speaker 1: with their wide spit splits. Ronaldo Hill, their defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: tenuere Vet in the league. Man is just a great
Speaker 1: cornerback and I feel like he's bringing fresh energy to
Speaker 1: this defense and just allowing his guys up front to
Speaker 1: be who they are. Lyndelle Joseph, Let's look at this
Speaker 1: matchup because he's a dog, yeah, and he's a guy,
Speaker 1: and especially with the matchup that we had last week
Speaker 1: with be honest, he sometimes had He's susceptible to the bullrush.
Speaker 1: He may get set in the lap of Dak. Sodak
Speaker 1: is gonna have to be cognizant obviously of all the
Speaker 1: pressure that's coming this way. He would be anyway, but
Speaker 1: especially now with tern Steel and all the pressure, because
Speaker 1: you know, if they get any type of push up front,
Speaker 1: that's gonna draw him out and make him easier to
Speaker 1: get Tom from the outside. I agree completely, and that
Speaker 1: that interior rush against Washington was was decent. It wasn't overpairing,
Speaker 1: which is positive news I think for for Cowboys fans
Speaker 1: looking into it. Some of that is Bosa creating that
Speaker 1: by collapsing the pocket and then you see Justin Jones
Speaker 1: being able to get home a little bit. So it
Speaker 1: kind of all starts with Bosa. But real quick, I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're kind of banged up on their injury
Speaker 1: report at least for Wednesday. I mean, we'll see Derwin
Speaker 1: James did not practice Chris Harris in the secondary natterly
Speaker 1: their safety. So we talked about that. Yeah, see how
Speaker 1: the week progresses. But I mean, Derwin James missed a
Speaker 1: lot of time. That's Darren Woodson's pick, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was. It gave me chills. It really gave me
Speaker 1: chills when and when Woody said that, because I think
Speaker 1: as as far as the comparison between him and this guy,
Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, he is so smart,
Speaker 1: and he's so good in space, all the things that
Speaker 1: Woody was, and so when you watch him on take thirty,
Speaker 1: it just screams like whole much, jumps off like this guy.
Speaker 1: Look how fast he's moving, and just his ability to
Speaker 1: attack to the line of scrimmage and also what he
Speaker 1: does in pass coverage, so he's in on every tackle. Versatility,
Speaker 1: He's always around, always around the ball. I don't care
Speaker 1: if the balls already the guy's already been tackled. He's
Speaker 1: flying in there. He'll take his long. He's getting his
Speaker 1: number on screen, it's on film now. We had a
Speaker 1: question throughout the week from Big Jay and he said
Speaker 1: a question for the show. With Washington rushing for over
Speaker 1: one hundred yards last week, do you think that's the
Speaker 1: key to this game for the Cowboys. Maybe they trust
Speaker 1: steal a tackle because they're going to focus on establishing
Speaker 1: the run more, especially knowing that we obviously can't throw
Speaker 1: at any given moment with the pressure coming off the edge.
Speaker 1: So that's my question to you guys, is do you
Speaker 1: see an added emphasis And sure, I'm sure, I'm sure
Speaker 1: the carriers are going to go up from last week.
Speaker 1: We're not going to see eleven carries for Zeke again,
Speaker 1: but are you going to see an added emphasis and
Speaker 1: trying to establish that run early? I Hope. So, I
Speaker 1: mean we should as the Dallas Cowboys, we should we
Speaker 1: should be running over one hundred yards every game, not
Speaker 1: even a question. But those two guys with our just
Speaker 1: our whole offense in general, I mean, there's no reason
Speaker 1: why we shouldn't. If if we don't run for one
Speaker 1: hundred yard, if Zeke doesn't get close to one hundred
Speaker 1: yards or over one hundred yards, then Kelly Moore, you
Speaker 1: need to go look in the mirror because there's ways
Speaker 1: that you can get him the ball. Now, whether that's
Speaker 1: on the ground, whether that's receiving, he should be over
Speaker 1: one hundred yards easy every game. I don't care who
Speaker 1: you're playing, just based off of your ability to scheme
Speaker 1: with all the personnel that we have against these guys. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we have to control the game. We have to because offensively,
Speaker 1: the Chargers are going to control the clock. That's what
Speaker 1: they do. As many big you know, we talked about it, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you and I, as many deep threats as they have,
Speaker 1: they don't hutilize them joints man as much as you
Speaker 1: would think. Those guys want to move the chains right.
Speaker 1: They're officer of coordinators from Seattle. He's a West Coast dude.
Speaker 1: So what's he running West Coast offense? That dude is
Speaker 1: dncon duncan dncan dunk, dncon dunk, dncan dunk. Move the
Speaker 1: chains and as soon as he lulls you to sleep,
Speaker 1: then he's gonna take a shot. Right. So these guys
Speaker 1: gonna have eight, ten, twelve, twelve plays sustained drives. So
Speaker 1: when we get the ball on offense, guess what we
Speaker 1: need to do. We need to have some sustained drives
Speaker 1: because our defense is gonna be dog tired Chargers. But
Speaker 1: by the way, in terms of time of possession last week,
Speaker 1: thirty six to twenty four, they won that. That's pretty nuts.
Speaker 1: That's a lee lopsided time of possession battle for all
Speaker 1: or excuse me, for an NFL game. It would be
Speaker 1: for a college game too, And either way, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's just showing their balance. Showing their balance. Uh,
Speaker 1: it does the Chargers. But you know, when I look
Speaker 1: at this matchup, you look at two former Rookies of
Speaker 1: the Year, and you know, for for Dak, it's got
Speaker 1: to be you know, monop just like it was last
Speaker 1: week Tom versus Dak, Dak versus Herbert, you know, and
Speaker 1: so This is a situation where both of these guys,
Speaker 1: if you look at them, statistically, they throw the ball
Speaker 1: more than any quarterback in the league. So I think
Speaker 1: we want to talk about establishing the run. But once
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore showed you exactly who he is, believe him,
Speaker 1: that's who he is, He's gonna throw the ball. So
Speaker 1: I think though I'm saying, I mean, I think, I
Speaker 1: think it sounds good in theory, but what happens once
Speaker 1: you know the game plan and they start showing you
Speaker 1: certain things. Look, there are certain things about their secondary
Speaker 1: that sticks out like an eyesore. They have some rookies
Speaker 1: back there that I think we could possibly try and
Speaker 1: attack with our veteran veteran veteran wide receive group, you know,
Speaker 1: and so you know, they're not as ironclad as the
Speaker 1: guys that we went against before, so I still expect
Speaker 1: to shootout. They got some vets back there too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Chris Harris is a good player. Michael Davis Sunday, Samuel
Speaker 1: played well in that first kid playing on the outside.
Speaker 1: It looked like so yeah, but you're right, I mean,
Speaker 1: they're every week the Cowboys have favorable matchups on the outside.
Speaker 1: It's their personnel. But I'm with heck, like I think
Speaker 1: Zeke's gonna be more involved. I mean, I'd be surprised
Speaker 1: to your point if it's as few carrious as this.
Speaker 1: But if if the Chargers sell out and say we're
Speaker 1: just we're not letting him run, then you have to adjust.
Speaker 1: And that Kellen Moore said it this week, like, I
Speaker 1: don't care, it's just we gotta get the yards of
Speaker 1: the points however it comes. And Zeke doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: have a problem with that, so we'll see. They got
Speaker 1: to get him more involved somehow. Yeah, whether it's screens,
Speaker 1: whether it's something, let him feel the game a little bit,
Speaker 1: get a rhythm, and and that's that's my point, right,
Speaker 1: even if I do foresee the Charger stacking the box,
Speaker 1: because that that number thirty three Derwin James, he is
Speaker 1: gonna fight, He's gonna have a presence, he's gonna let
Speaker 1: Zeke know, Hey, I'm here all game long. You have
Speaker 1: to deal with me. So what do we have to do.
Speaker 1: We have to win on the outside, Right, we're missing
Speaker 1: one of our go boys, right, We're missing Gallup, so
Speaker 1: we don't have the juice on both ends, like we like,
Speaker 1: we typically do. Now, obviously we still got CD, don't know,
Speaker 1: and y'all chill out, okay, got CD? Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: But CD does not have the speed of Gallup. Let's
Speaker 1: let's not let's not even and the big playability is
Speaker 1: there for this offense too, so they have to take
Speaker 1: advantage of Chris Harris is one of my favorite dvs
Speaker 1: in the League of levin year. He's savvy. You know.
Speaker 1: I want to say something good about him because I
Speaker 1: said something good about the tight end yesterday and you
Speaker 1: call him Juggernauts, So I was waiting about Chris Harris,
Speaker 1: but I just think he's you know, he's one of
Speaker 1: those good rookie I mean, good veterans in the league. Man.
Speaker 1: You guys keep mentioning some of these guys in terms
Speaker 1: of like Bosa and James, and it's like, it brings
Speaker 1: me back to something you told me previously. Sometimes the
Speaker 1: toughest matchup isn't the most talented player on the other side.
Speaker 1: It's the one that has the most go It's the
Speaker 1: one that has the most juice. And those guys have
Speaker 1: talent and juice and it's it's a tough combination. But
Speaker 1: when we come back here on the other side of
Speaker 1: the break. How do these two quarterbacks match up in
Speaker 1: terms of the rest of the NFL. CBS had an
Speaker 1: interesting ranking where both of them were in the top ten.
Speaker 1: How high were they? When we come back, You're on
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Speaker 1: to get off a little bit early again. Today I
Speaker 1: mentioned CBS Sports. They came out with an NFL QB
Speaker 1: Power ranking for Week two of the NFL season, and
Speaker 1: both of the quarterbacks in this matchup are up there.
Speaker 1: And this is kind of it stuck out to me
Speaker 1: because they're only behind four guys. Patrick Mahomes is one,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers. Those are the top four.
Speaker 1: Then it's Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert five and six,
Speaker 1: touching tags right up in there. I mean, if you
Speaker 1: want to look across the NFL, this is the number
Speaker 1: one quarterback matchup in the league, according to CBS Sports.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would agree with that specifically.
Speaker 1: I've got to look at the rest of the games
Speaker 1: in terms of how high both of those guys are.
Speaker 1: But man, I mean that's a matchup we haven't really
Speaker 1: talked about because Dak Prescott's gonna have to throw the
Speaker 1: ball a little bit more to this week, Kacma and
Speaker 1: throw the ball more, not more, but throw the ball more,
Speaker 1: but more, not more than last week. Just he has
Speaker 1: to do it again. Well, let's see it. I mean,
Speaker 1: let's see And I was talking about the average for
Speaker 1: both of these quarterbacks before we went to break, and
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that this guy stole the ball
Speaker 1: around a lot. And as much as we are as
Speaker 1: a as a base wanting to see Zeke become more involved,
Speaker 1: I think if this game is even close, it turns
Speaker 1: into a shootout. Do you see any similarities, Isaiah, when
Speaker 1: you look at Dak Prescott and Justin Herbert anything into
Speaker 1: I think offensively, you can see similarities between kelln moore
Speaker 1: scheme and the Chargers and what they run, not as
Speaker 1: West Coastie, but keeping it underneath, they're similarities though similarities Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not the same exact thing. I don't see a
Speaker 1: whole lot of similarities between the two of them, aside
Speaker 1: from their ability to make, you know, be good decision makers. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think they do it. They
Speaker 1: both do a good job of that. They don't put
Speaker 1: their teams in bad situations. I think there's some other
Speaker 1: quarterbacks as you look through the league who are risk takers.
Speaker 1: I don't think either one of these guys are risk takers.
Speaker 1: Not yet. I mean, so I got to go off.
Speaker 1: They're both big quarterbacks who maybe deceptive Lea can buy
Speaker 1: more time than you would think. Roethlisberger has been like
Speaker 1: that over his career. I'd say both are kind of
Speaker 1: in that category. I mean, they don't use Herbert like.
Speaker 1: We'll see how much Dak does in the in the
Speaker 1: RPO type stuff as we go here. But I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, Dak's more of a threat there in the
Speaker 1: red zone and stuff like that. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think being able to extend time in the pocket.
Speaker 1: They both can do that, and they both can make
Speaker 1: pretty much any throw you need to make need him
Speaker 1: to make compared to the last go for it. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, justin Herbert is not afraid to create with
Speaker 1: his legs, so if he feels that pressure, he will
Speaker 1: get out on you. And you know it, Tom wasn't
Speaker 1: like that. You know, Tom, I don't want to run,
Speaker 1: so I think the defense is definitely gonna have to
Speaker 1: ears have their ears pick perked up for that. Herbert's
Speaker 1: the perfect mix of a pocket passer who and be
Speaker 1: mobile because he doesn't want to right and he wants
Speaker 1: to stay in the pocket, and he's more lethal in
Speaker 1: the pocket. But if he needs to, he can be mobile. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: which is I think that's a great combination. I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you this, Rob, compared to last week's
Speaker 1: matchup with the Cowboys passing game and then then Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay secondary, do you feel much better about this matchup
Speaker 1: or do you feel worse about the matchup with the secondary? Um?
Speaker 1: I actually think the Chargers secondary might be a little
Speaker 1: more challenging. I think so too then than Tampa Bay.
Speaker 1: If there's if Tampa's got a weakness moving forward, it's
Speaker 1: it's their depth back there. Um. I still think there's
Speaker 1: opportunities there, and I think where it helps the Cowboys
Speaker 1: again is their ability maybe to be a little bit
Speaker 1: more balanced with opportunities in the run game. That can
Speaker 1: only help Dak maybe get the play action going a
Speaker 1: little bit. Um. But yeah, I think so. I think
Speaker 1: it's a better matchup Isaiah or tough matchup. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean Tampa didn't have a what we would consider
Speaker 1: to be a dog back there in the secondary, and
Speaker 1: every every team has good players. But when as you
Speaker 1: think about the Chargers, that dead dog on thirty three, Man,
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Scottie Pippen. I'm talking about Darwin James.
Speaker 1: That boy is around, obviously, we just talked about it
Speaker 1: in the break, but Jesus, I mean, he's he's, he's
Speaker 1: he you have to find him. It's kind of like
Speaker 1: Micah except I mean, except he's even more in terms
Speaker 1: of he can cover the slot, he can do whatever
Speaker 1: you need. I think there as you play as a Chargers,
Speaker 1: I think there's there's at all three levels. There's a
Speaker 1: guy you need to find. You need to find Bosa,
Speaker 1: you need to find Murray, you need to find James.
Speaker 1: You better know where to heck those guys are. That's
Speaker 1: a great point. That's hard to do offensively. I'm saying
Speaker 1: lit Coop be coop. You know, let him, let him
Speaker 1: be cool, yea, let him do his thing. And if
Speaker 1: they want to single him up, if you know our
Speaker 1: guys in the slot, if they run a rookie out
Speaker 1: there baptizing, you know, that's making pay. And I think
Speaker 1: what I felt comfortable about last week was DA's ability
Speaker 1: to find open receivers. And they have those openings. You
Speaker 1: saw Scary Terry, he was out there finding those openings
Speaker 1: out in the flat. They play a lot of too
Speaker 1: deep and and so it's just gonna be up to
Speaker 1: us to let our talented guys go out there and
Speaker 1: show what they have. And that's why I say lit
Speaker 1: Coop be coop and find the big playability this week
Speaker 1: is going to be there for the Cowboys. But the
Speaker 1: red zone issues, but we should we should be running
Speaker 1: the ball down there. I know we gotta get ready,
Speaker 1: get off the air, but we should be running the
Speaker 1: ball down there. And the reason why I say that
Speaker 1: is because the Chargers like to run a three three five,
Speaker 1: which you don't see a lot in this league. Three
Speaker 1: down line in three linebackers and five dbs. Now, they
Speaker 1: may not run that against us because we're down a receiver,
Speaker 1: but if they tend, if they want to run that,
Speaker 1: we better be running the freaking ball and we better
Speaker 1: be able to run the ball down there all day long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know we're gonna throw it. Let's go. Let's
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit more about the red zone
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