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Speaker 1: Welcome to that moment with Damon John and I am

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Speaker 1: Damon John, and today we are going to get into

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Speaker 1: it with the legendary Iced team.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. Man.

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Speaker 1: When you found out your album now is being blocked

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Speaker 1: by Warner how was the initial reaction.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the initial reaction. What do you mean

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Speaker 2: with the cop Killer record?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know I know that they weren't going

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Speaker 1: to put out anymore. You know, you worked hard on

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Speaker 1: that on that album, and you know they just said

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Speaker 1: we're not going to back this anymore. And I know that's.

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Speaker 2: That's not how it happened day. It didn't happen like that. All.

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Speaker 3: We made this song called cop Killer, I was on

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Speaker 3: Sire Warner Brothers, and the record came out and it

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Speaker 3: did phenomenal. The album came out of when gold Warner

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Speaker 3: Brothers was really excited about it. You know, we actually

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Speaker 3: had a party for the success of the record, and

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Speaker 3: then we got hit by the Fraternal Order of Police

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Speaker 3: out of Austin, Texas that said cop Killer was the

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Speaker 3: cause of this problems or drama. Really, the police were

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Speaker 3: under siege, just like they're under siege now, and somebody

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Speaker 3: smart said, why don't we just push the narrative at

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers. Warner Brothers put out this record. Now, they

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Speaker 3: couldn't really get mad at me because I'm a black

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Speaker 3: man and I'm making, you know, noise about the corruption

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Speaker 3: We've been dealing with our whole life. But they were like,

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers, big corporation, how can you allow this man

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Speaker 3: this platform. But Warner Brothers stood, stayed down with me.

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Speaker 3: Jeral Levin, who was ahead of time, Warner wrote a

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Speaker 3: big letter to the Washington I mean, to the to

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal, and they backed me. They backed me

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Speaker 3: as much as they could. It hit them in the

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Speaker 3: stock you know, stock prices started to drive and what

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Speaker 3: the problem was.

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Speaker 2: What I was saying. They understood. But they're a white corporation.

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Speaker 2: They're a corporation. They're part of the system. So now

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Speaker 2: this is challenging them and their stockholders.

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Speaker 3: Now you got to remember, at the time, Warner Brothers

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Speaker 3: had myself, They had Prince, they had Slayer, they had

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Speaker 3: Sam Kinniston, they had Andrew Dice Clay, they had the

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Speaker 3: Madonna and Warner knew that as soon as they allowed

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Speaker 3: them to censor me. It was going to be a problem.

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Speaker 3: And I went into a meeting with Lenny Warnaker and

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Speaker 3: Moe Austin and they broke it down to me. There

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Speaker 3: was a big corporate table in front of me, and

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Speaker 3: they said, I see this is it. You're an artist

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Speaker 3: on Warner Brothers. And the guy put a quarter on

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Speaker 3: the table. He said, to see the size of this quarter.

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Speaker 3: This is how big Warner music is compared to Time Warner.

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Speaker 3: We're so you're a dot on that small quarter and

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Speaker 3: what you're doing is it's hurting the entire thing. So

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Speaker 3: I was like, damn, you know, and I just kind

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Speaker 3: of felt some kind of way like they're doing everything

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Speaker 3: they could to support me. So what happened was the

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Speaker 3: next album I was putting out was a rap album

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Speaker 3: which was called Home Invasion. And when I went in

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Speaker 3: they had me come in and they had every word

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Speaker 3: on the record written out in big letters on a board.

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Speaker 3: They were going through every little thing and there was

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Speaker 3: some there was some sketchy lyrics in there. I had

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Speaker 3: a lyrics said I don't give a fuck about a

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Speaker 3: cop or a g man. They all talk shit they're

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Speaker 3: breast smelling like semen. I catch them in that alley

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Speaker 3: all alone, put them in the prone pop pop pop

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Speaker 3: to the dome. So they like, you're killing cops again, right,

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Speaker 3: But I'm like this gangster rap right. So it was

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Speaker 3: so they were so uptight, Dame that I eventually just said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, let me go.

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Speaker 2: I asked for the release.

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Speaker 3: I said, it's kind of like me and you are

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Speaker 3: in business, and I'm like, my politics is messing with

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Speaker 3: your money.

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Speaker 2: But we friends. Let me go. Man, I'm no.

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Speaker 3: Hard feelings, and I never had a hard feeling with

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers.

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Speaker 2: And what Warner Brothers did that was very cool.

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Speaker 3: The Home Invasion album was about a half a million

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Speaker 3: dollar album to make.

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Speaker 2: They gave it to me. They never recouped it.

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Speaker 3: They just said here, good luck Ice, because you got

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Speaker 3: to remember, for so many years, like ten years, I

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Speaker 3: was the number one rapper on that label.

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Speaker 2: They loved me.

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Speaker 3: They you know, I had done nothing but bring them

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Speaker 3: golden platinum records, six consecutive golden platinum records, so they.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't turn on me like that.

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Speaker 3: But I got them in a sticky situation, and that's

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Speaker 3: what happened. A lot of people didn't understand the source

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Speaker 3: magazine went after me. He said, I folded. Chuck d

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Speaker 3: said the best. He said, those that are don't in

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Speaker 3: the wars shouldn't comment on the battles. You have no

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Speaker 3: idea what was really going on behind the scene.

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Speaker 2: But that was it. But Warner never really did Low.

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Speaker 2: They didn't do Low. They was just a bad situation.

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Speaker 1: History is proven, or history is reflected only the times

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Speaker 1: that large corporations or any company turned their back on people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we do see.

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Speaker 1: Nike will stand on the side of what they believe

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Speaker 1: and we can use them. But I don't think I've

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Speaker 1: ever heard of a music label, especially a label that

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Speaker 1: wasn't backed by like, let's say, a young person hip

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Speaker 1: like you, right like you. I've heard of Jimmy I

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Speaker 1: Bean backing you know, and and having somebody's back. I've

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Speaker 1: heard of a couple of people, and I never heard

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Speaker 1: of something like a Warner backing you and that that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's really rare.

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Speaker 2: So you know what it was name, I don't think

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Speaker 2: they were backing me as much as they.

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Speaker 1: Was back in the back in the principle overall, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: once they censor you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And if you notice at the end of it, there

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Speaker 3: was no more Warner Music at some point. The last

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Speaker 3: thing was when death Row was trying to get involved

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Speaker 3: and Ted Turner came in and shut that whole ship down.

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Speaker 3: But nah, they they pretty much all the edgy groups

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Speaker 3: left Warner Brothers at that time. Uh, and they knew that.

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Speaker 3: They explained that to me, they like, it's bigger than you.

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Speaker 1: It's where you go after that, though, you know what,

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Speaker 1: because I'm trying to find at that moment, that moment

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Speaker 1: doing well on there ten years in you would already well,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to the origin of when you decided to

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Speaker 2: Go out there.

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Speaker 1: But where did you Where did you go right after that?

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Speaker 1: What were your options that moment when you were like,

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Speaker 1: getting my guys in the sticky situation, I have other opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Did you feel like were you, being, of course courted

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Speaker 1: do the ship myself. Like, what was that moment in

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Speaker 3: It was it was nerve wrecking man, because you know

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Speaker 3: we I was red hot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: Uh. The cop Killer record, even though it was it

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Speaker 3: was in trouble, it went, it sold a million records.

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Speaker 3: Every record up to that point ic T was either

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Speaker 3: gold or platinum. So I wasn't on a downstroke. But

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Speaker 3: I was just like kind of like an out, like

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Speaker 3: people were afraid to touch me, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: basically went over to Priority Priority. Brian Turner over Priority

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Speaker 3: let's do it. We'll do the Home and I did

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Speaker 3: two albums at Priority was this I can't even tell

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Speaker 3: trying to drop another record. But Brian Turner put out

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Speaker 3: the Home Invasion album, then he put out the Return

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Speaker 3: out the Gangs Rap album. So I went over the

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Speaker 3: Priority because they were like not as big a corporation

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Speaker 2: And then body.

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Speaker 3: Count went over to Virgin, because Virgin is a British

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Speaker 2: They were just like fuck it. You know, that's that's

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Speaker 2: Richard Branson in them. Yeah, he was already a rebel himself.

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Speaker 2: He was already down there in trouble for himself. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's time, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know what, if you're moving records, it's

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Speaker 2: I remember we went.

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Speaker 3: Over to UH when we went to when I went

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Speaker 3: what do we want for the record? I said, I

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Speaker 3: need a million up front. I need a million dollars

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Speaker 3: I got to watch the cost three hundred thousand. Let's

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Speaker 3: let's talk some numbers. I said, give me the equivalent

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Speaker 2: And if you don't think the record's going to go platinum,

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Speaker 3: I need to be someplace that knows you can move

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Speaker 3: a million records, because I've done it before. And they

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Speaker 3: you know, and now that was my first really you know, me,

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Speaker 3: me being able to negotiate because my one idea was

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Speaker 2: Now I'm a free agent.

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Speaker 3: So and in them days, getting a million dollars for

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Speaker 2: Was big, right, big. Now these kids are getting twenty millions.

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Speaker 2: But that was big.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's wind it back, because I want

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Speaker 1: to know when when you were frustrated and you know nothing,

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Speaker 1: you know you you you know, we're boys. I know

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Speaker 1: these served this country. I know that also you you

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Speaker 1: you was a bad guy. You know, you were doing

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Speaker 1: moment to create your first single, your first song. Can

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Speaker 1: I can I ask you what was going through your

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Speaker 2: What were the records that were motivating you at that time?

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Speaker 1: Because you know me, when I was coming up, it

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Speaker 1: was a it was a rising to the top by

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Speaker 1: Kenny Burke, or it was public enemy, fear of you know,

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Speaker 1: you know, fear of a black planet and stuff like that,

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Speaker 1: and I, oh, no, rock him paid in full. I'm

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Speaker 1: driving my car going, I'm gonna get paid in full, right,

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Speaker 1: What were the songs of that time when you were

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Speaker 1: agree upon now, or you was heading to the studio

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Speaker 1: and you were just you were frustrated or excited. What

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Speaker 3: Well, I first started hearing rap when I was in

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Speaker 2: I was trying to be New York.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying the dress, I got the spikes on early

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Speaker 3: You gotta look like La nigga. You were an La nigga.

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. It's just magically at Ron and he

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Speaker 1: Let me go to that gangs of mentality though, because

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Speaker 1: Don't disrespect me because this is all I have is

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Speaker 1: We I've had a good fortune of going for me

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Speaker 2: Man. It's like, yo, man, I got this. I did it.

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Speaker 3: You know, like people talking about snitching, Yo, if I

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Speaker 3: I wasn't pointing at other rappers. Why would look at them?

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Speaker 3: But you know, you gotta have a little gangster to

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Speaker 3: They and they will also challenge anything they think won't

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Speaker 3: you got to be like, I know my shit, don't

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Speaker 3: you just send me one? Let me see what how

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Speaker 3: I'm waiting to see how how valuable you think I

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Speaker 3: Cents said it best. It's not how my mama raised me.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna fuck you, They're gonna fuck you. They're gonna

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Speaker 3: It's like if you're doing a record deal, they go, Okay,

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00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,920
Speaker 3: you're international merchandise.

437
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: You know what do you go? Huh? They go fucking

438
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 2: right there? You know, right there, right there? Oh, what

439
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 2: we got to Now? They go publishing? What about that?

440
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 2: Hunh fucking mind. They're not gonna explain to you what

441
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,439
Speaker 2: you're publishing. They're gonna hit you every place. You don't

442
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: think they don't think you know. But my boy used

443
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: to say, they're been fucking us long enough, we should

444
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 2: not a fuck nerve.

445
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: I don't think it's I think it's just the streets

446
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,880
Speaker 3: translate to business very well.

447
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: Well, can I can? I?

448
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: You know, because a lot of a lot of people

449
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 1: are going to be trying to move their career. Every

450
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: every day, somebody the fairy getting cancel or whatever. But

451
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: let me add, when is that not work for you?

452
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: You know this mentality and if you ever said I

453
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 2: went too hard or I didn't know what I didn't know,

454
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 2: I mean, can you do you?

455
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 1: Can you recall any times or that moment when you say,

456
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe I should have gave them another chance.

457
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 1: But I had I had developed such a hard shell

458
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: that they weren't trying to fuck me, but I thought

459
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: they were. I mean, or or or listen, somebody could

460
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 1: have been trying to fuck you and you regretted it

461
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 1: at the time, you reflect and seeing what they did

462
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: to other peopleeople after.

463
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: You and they will you were like, yeah, yeah, you know,

464
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: you know not really, I'm very smooth. I'm very smooth

465
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 2: when I deal with people.

466
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: It's always a soft touch, and I make sure that

467
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 3: people around me have a soft touch. That's the biggest problem.

468
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 3: My crew, like the guys I got working for me,

469
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 3: they not as seasoned in this as I am. So

470
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: you know, even this the way you know a lot

471
00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: of brothers, the way they talk people like they're extorting me.

472
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: No, no, ask them for the money you owe them.

473
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: That's all.

474
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: But that there, I have to like work with my

475
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 3: guys like, look, man, you can't you're scary, like you know,

476
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 3: don't be like that. But nah, I mean, nah, I've

477
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 3: learned a lot. I've been in a lot of rooms

478
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: with people I've dealt with, you know, big heavyweight executives.

479
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: And they're gangster, you know, they they're the way they

480
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: handle business.

481
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 3: Like I always say, like in business, the trick is,

482
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 3: like me and Dick Wolf's relatelationship, is we make the deal.

483
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: I stick to the deal. That's it.

484
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: There's a moment when we get to negotiate, we go

485
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: back and forth. Now I think I'm worth this iced

486
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 3: I can get Brad Pitt for that. Come on, man,

487
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 3: well come on man, this, that and the third. Come on,

488
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm the only black man on the show. I might

489
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: throw the race card in there. I'm trying to get

490
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 3: paid right.

491
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

492
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 3: But then after we come to that negotiation and it's done,

493
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: I stick to the deal, and so does he. That's gangster.

494
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 3: I don't come back halfway in the middle of the

495
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: contract one that no no, no.

496
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: No no. So he knows.

497
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 3: Once I told you, Dick Wolf said, iced tea is

498
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 3: the least pain in my ass, the best compliment I

499
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 3: ever got, because you know, when you have employees, the

500
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 3: person who's the least pain is your favorite person. You know,

501
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 3: the one that's always coming with problems and ideas and

502
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: book man, come on, man, you really close to the ads.

503
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 3: You think you're doing a lot, but you're really about

504
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: to get fired. Because you're driving me fucking crazy. So

505
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 3: you know, my boy, one of my other boys, said,

506
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: the only thing gangs about ice, he really is he

507
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 3: does not back up. Well hmmm, I like that. I

508
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 3: don't back up well. So in other words, everything's cool

509
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 3: until you tell me what I better do. Then naw,

510
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: because like you said, once I allow at, I might

511
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 3: as well let you do whatever you want to me.

512
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: I might as well let you move in my house.

513
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, there's got to be

514
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: a point where and you got one too where you're like, nah,

515
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: now not nah, now you're going to cross the line.

516
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: Nah. And you know, other than that, I'm fair game.

517
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 2: I'm play game fair Well.

518
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: You know, your your history is coming up as a

519
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 1: as a really vocal music artist, embarrassed, and you know,

520
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: I don't really know what the real deal is.

521
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know I've been told your pimp told

522
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 2: you this that.

523
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: And then you you you change your lifestyle, it alters

524
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: a little bit, and you you know, our wives of

525
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: friends and you change would be just becoming a new

526
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: dad again, taking that path, beautiful white, very dedicated dad.

527
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: What was that moment when you you said, I don't

528
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: know I feel like change.

529
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you didn't change immediately.

530
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: You were ready for change to be the guy that

531
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: we know now very beloved as a father or husband

532
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: of various other things and no longer.

533
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 2: I mean your gangster at hard.

534
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: So it's very hard to explain Ice, but that moment

535
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: of being calm in your career, you know, going on

536
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 1: and being an actor, but the meantime being on stage

537
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: your shirt off, doing heavy metals and ship over here,

538
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, being on the player's ball, which

539
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 1: I think that's my favorite role of Ice, being on

540
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: the player's ball.

541
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, when when did you.

542
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 1: Get that form of like being just really comfortable whatever

543
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: you did and being a dedicated dad because I know,

544
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 1: I know the story when you know, so when you

545
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: decided to to you know, to be that person with Coco,

546
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: I know you gave her the phone and and said

547
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: any any any young lady call you answer this and

548
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what you say it better than I do.

549
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: What was that that moment when you gave her the

550
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 1: phone and said boom?

551
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Well, like like like this has been a long transformation,

552
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 3: you know. So the first transformation was leaving the streets

553
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: when I started making music, and I got a little famous.

554
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: I just said, man, I'm done. I can't break the

555
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: law no more because you know, now all eyes are

556
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 3: on me and I don't want to get any of

557
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 3: you guys in trouble.

558
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: But how about you thinking not keeping it real?

559
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we just we're just seeing what happened to

560
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: Gunner and all these dudes who they were making all

561
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: this money. But you know now they got Rico chargers

562
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: and they probably going to jail until you know, I

563
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 1: don't until aliens come down start rapping it.

564
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: Well, there's a difference between fame and infamy. When you're infamous,

565
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 2: you don't nobody knows your name. You like low key,

566
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: and like I said, if everybody in the street knows

567
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 2: your name, so did the cops.

568
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 3: So I had been able to duck them. And when

569
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: I decided and finally start making a little record money,

570
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: of course I went broke. But that was a career

571
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 3: change I made because now I'm doing interviews, I'm meeting people.

572
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: You can't do that and go out and break the law.

573
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: And my other book, I had this chapter called Too

574
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 3: Famous to Steal, where I went to do something and

575
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 3: steal something.

576
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: Some kids came out of the house and wanted autographs.

577
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the wait a minute, what hold on?

578
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: You went to steal what? You was already famous and

579
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: you were trying to steal something.

580
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, you don't really get no

581
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 3: bread to your first, second, third album. So I had

582
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: a Porsche and I was trying to get a part

583
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: Porsche and my boys just stole a Porsche and I

584
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 3: didn't want to pay for it, and they was full

585
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: of shit about getting the part I needed. I'm like,

586
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 3: where's the motherfuck car at where's the car? I'll go

587
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: get it.

588
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 2: Fuck that.

589
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: So I got a ratchet set, I got my boys.

590
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: I walked through this apartment building. I walked through this

591
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: apartment building. I pulled a car cover off the car.

592
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: I'm in the car, still in the park. Part probably

593
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: costs like a thousand dollars. I could have paid for it.

594
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 2: I was just it I wanted.

595
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: Plus I was showing my niggas I knew I was

596
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 3: still good with my ship. But when I get in

597
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: the car, all these little kids come walking out the

598
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: motherfucking house and they're.

599
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: Like, I see oh shp. So now their mothers and

600
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 2: stuff come out, and I'm taking.

601
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,479
Speaker 3: Pictures in front of a G in front of a

602
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 3: G t A. I'm standing there taking pictures because they

603
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 3: saw me in breaking and some ship and yeah, it's

604
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: funny now. So then after they all left, they thought

605
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: that was my car. I had to call the home.

606
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 3: He's like, Yo, this car can't be here in the morning.

607
00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 3: Move this fucking car. But yeah, that's a chapter one

608
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 3: of my books called too Famous to Steal. But long

609
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 3: story short, now made just transition. I'm going through all

610
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 3: this music and stuff like that.

611
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: I left my I was with my ex Darlene for

612
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: like fifteen years, never got married, and when I came

613
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: to New York, we broke up. You know, usually when

614
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: you break up with a woman, you really broke up

615
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: a year or so earlier.

616
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: So we were together, but we weren't really living like that,

617
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 3: you know, and finalized. When I came to New York

618
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: to do law and order, it was like, okay, might

619
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 3: as well stop playing this charade out for my son.

620
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: Let's just cut it off. So now I was single

621
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: out here for a couple of years. Didn't dig it.

622
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 2: I didn't dig it.

623
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: Because you know, it's just a it's an illusion, you know,

624
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: it's always when you got your girl on your arm,

625
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: all the girls are fine. As soon as she gets

626
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: off your arm, these bitches changed. They transform into all

627
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 3: kinds of other scary looking things.

628
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: You know. It's just something about being single. It's not

629
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: it's fun. It's a weird warp. So when you're young,

630
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 2: it's cool because you'll fuck anything.

631
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: But when you're older and you refine your taste, you know,

632
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 3: you ain't gonna see that shit you want walking around

633
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 3: by yourself.

634
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: It's just not I think, you know, I think that

635
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: is a greeting call. When you're young, you'd fuck anything,

636
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 1: you know. I think you should write cars. Young, you

637
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 1: fuck anything. When you get a little older, you ain't

638
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna see the ship you want to fuck.

639
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: You know.

640
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: I think that's pretty. You know you should write greeting cars.

641
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: I think that's that moment. But let's go, let's go

642
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: into let's go further in your taste. Yeah, you refine

643
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 1: your taste. So I met Coco.

644
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: Now, when I was going after Coco, I was watching

645
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 3: a lot of.

646
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: The Osbourne's.

647
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 3: Ozzie and Sharon, and I was looking like, would Ozzie

648
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: have a mansion if it wasn't for sharing Osbourne, Like,

649
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: this woman is running all the tours, running all his business.

650
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: Doesn't even seem like Ozzie would know how to pay

651
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: a phone bill.

652
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: Ozzie is something different, right, But he's wealthy because you

653
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 3: got a woman to hold it together. So me personally,

654
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: I could get money for crossing t's and dynay's.

655
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: It's not my thing. It's not many artists things.

656
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 3: That's why artists have business managers, because you know you

657
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 3: my business manager. You send me in a studio, Da

658
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 3: da da da dah, Send me over here, send me

659
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: over there. I will get money, But somebody gotta pay

660
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: the taxes. Somebody gotta you know, that ain't what we

661
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 3: want to do. We just want to make the money.

662
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: So I told when I met Coco, she was fine.

663
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: I was like, told her, I said, yo, I mean,

664
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 3: I'm not really just trying to get another number in

665
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 3: my phone. I'm really trying to find somebody that wants

666
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 3: to ride. And she dug the flyness of me.

667
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: She was a chick. When I met her. I had

668
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: on a red snake skin suit, so she was like, ooh,

669
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: that's fly. See some girls some girls want soft niggas

670
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: and some girls want real niggas.

671
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: You know, they don't a soft nigga. They like, I'm

672
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: not even into you. You ain't got no base in

673
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 3: your voice. Some women want to man man.

674
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 2: So she was like.

675
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 3: Coke, Yeah, like put me in my place. You I

676
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 3: like that shit. You know what I'm saying. You know,

677
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 3: some chicks I don't know. They emasculate niggas, but that's different.

678
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 3: They won't even fuck with us. They to day is

679
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 3: already know that nigga Ice is too managed. Funny story,

680
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 3: Whoopy Goldberg was talking about Coco one day and she said, yeah,

681
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: Coco that she's a dope sister, and they go sister,

682
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 3: They said, uh, Whoop, you know Coco's wife. She said,

683
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: Coco been dealing for twenty years with Ice teased managed ass.

684
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 2: She's a She's an honorary sister, that nigga.

685
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 3: So anyway, when we got together, I was just like, Yo,

686
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: are we gonna do this?

687
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 2: Are we are?

688
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 3: We are we gonna do this as a couple And

689
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 3: she was like, I'm down. So I had a phone

690
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: at the time, and I'm like, here, take it. Start

691
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 3: answering the calls, and anybody that calls up, just say

692
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: who you are and take the message.

693
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: At that time. Yeah, I was out in the street,

694
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: but I didn't have no chicks that could lay claim

695
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 2: to me.

696
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: They were just chicks, you know what I'm saying. So

697
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 3: when they got the call, she's like, Hey, what's up

698
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,760
Speaker 3: is this? I no, this is Coco. Oh okay, Well,

699
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 3: maybe they might hang up, maybe they might tell her

700
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 3: to leave a message.

701
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes I got the message. It was such and such.

702
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: But you know, when you out in the streets and

703
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 3: you you're a player, that girl is calling from Atlanta.

704
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 3: She ain't talked to you in a year. She's just

705
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: checking in. You know, we're going to Miami. Y're gonna

706
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 3: be into Miami.

707
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 2: You know that bullshit? I don't know if you're talking about. Yeah. Right.

708
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: So anyway, Coco cleared the house in a beautiful way.

709
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 3: But then she would also take messages from my niggas.

710
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 3: So I would get messages like this from her. She's like, uh, baby,

711
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: uh trigger said he left some bullets and come on.

712
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: Or the funny thing is like they would call and

713
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 3: it would be like.

714
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: This, yo, yo, what's good? What's that? What's here? She'd

715
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 2: be like, oh, this is Coco. Same nigga, Hey, Coco.

716
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 3: What's the same Nigga's voice would change when he would

717
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: talk to her.

718
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: So you know, it's been good. Now we've been together

719
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 2: twenty two going on twenty three years. It's good man.

720
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 2: And uh, it was a smart move. You know, it

721
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: was a smart move for me. You know, it's dating scene.

722
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 3: Anybody knows out there it's toxic and it's full of

723
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: land mines. And uh, you know, I got the fuck

724
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: off the field for I called a body. Did you

725
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 3: find balance?

726
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: And that's interesting because she show she's she's one of

727
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: the as you would say, I say too, she's one

728
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: of the nicest people you'll ever meet, right, and.

729
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: She's not trying to be this trying She's just who

730
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: she is. And did you find that that kind of

731
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 2: friends change your perspective? One thing? You know, not really.

732
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 3: I never really dated a white girl before, you know,

733
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: so my thing was like, you know, I've been around

734
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 3: white girls, I work with them and stuff, but as

735
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: far as actually being like in love and all that,

736
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: that was different for me.

737
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 2: But you know, I always say I'm a player. I

738
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: don't really care.

739
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: You know, if a Martian bitch dropped down and was

740
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 3: saying the right shit, I'd be fucking green pussy right now,

741
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 3: there you go.

742
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 2: You like Captain Kirk because Captain Captain Kirk.

743
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 3: Would would do it with anybody, bang everything in the universe.

744
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 3: My partner, my pimp, Buddy Rich, said, man, you just

745
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: look for a bitch. You could understand what the fuck

746
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 3: you be talking about. You just need somebody could comprehend. Boom,

747
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: that's you needed comprehension, my nigga. So I was like, no,

748
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 3: Coco was dope. But I think I always say this,

749
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 3: and I say this in a weird kind of way, but.

750
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: Coke and I are.

751
00:37:54,360 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: Like like like like the exact same thing, but turn

752
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 3: into a woman and a male. So think of it

753
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: like this, right, Okay, uh, if my gangster was feminine,

754
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 3: it would be sexy, right. A woman's power is sexy,

755
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: being sexy, not being like a man. She would be sexy, right,

756
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: So that would result probably in a big titty blonde

757
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 3: right that. And her gangster is male, it would be

758
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 3: a nigga a gangster. So it's it's like we're very

759
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 3: alpha of each of each side of the spectrum. You

760
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 3: feel me like she's an alpha alpha woman, I'm an

761
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: alpha male. And also I think that like you and

762
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: your wife. The trick is, you have to find someone

763
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: who matches your energy. Now, if I go out by myself,

764
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: I spin the room when I walk in.

765
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 2: That's iced tea. That's iced tea.

766
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: Well, she spends it too, she spends it on her own.

767
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 3: So there for we we have equal power and we

768
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: are a good couple. If I'm with a chick that

769
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 3: doesn't have that same energy, my energy intimidates her, like

770
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: why you got to take pictures with all the people?

771
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 2: Why you got why you got it that.

772
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: If my wife is with a weaker nigga, he like,

773
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 3: why you gotta wear that?

774
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: You gotta you look too.

775
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 3: You know, you're dracking too much attention, So you gotta

776
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: have a Both people have to be very confident in

777
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 3: who they are, just like you and your wife.

778
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 2: You know who you are. She knows who she is.

779
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: And that's why, y'all.

780
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 3: You know, we both dealt with chicks that are insecure,

781
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: and we both dealt with you know, so it's it

782
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: was a lucky lick, you know. And I was in

783
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: my forties when I met her, so you know, I've

784
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 3: done everything a nigga could do. I remember I told

785
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 3: my boy, I said Yo, I'm thinking about getting married

786
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: to Coco. It's like, Nigga, you didna have more sex

787
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 3: than a football team. Nigga, you have time to bring

788
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 3: bring that shit home to shit down, Like what are

789
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 3: you trying? What are you trying to do?

790
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: And I'm very happy and now with my daughter.

791
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 3: Our daughter is about the same age.

792
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: I quote Muhammad Ali.

793
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 3: He says, when a man has a child in the

794
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 3: second half of his life, after he turns fifty, it's

795
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 3: like it resets it. It's like it resets his life.

796
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 3: It made me want to live forever. It made me

797
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: create new goals. Because you got bread, you can start

798
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: slowing down. But now not that new baby. That new baby,

799
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: and it's the best gift I could ever get. I

800
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 3: see how much you love your daughter. I think the

801
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 3: difference with Chanelle and my other kids is I'm very

802
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 3: conscious of this baby. Like I had my daughter when

803
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: I was in high school. I was ripping and running,

804
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: so it was presence over presents. I wasn't there. Yeah,

805
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: you know, same way my son. My son, Ice happened

806
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: right when I was becoming Ice Tea. You know, I

807
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 3: had never been famous before. This was a whole new thing.

808
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 3: So I'm distracted by that just becoming.

809
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: Chanelle. I'm comfortable. I'm in a cruise pattern.

810
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: I was there when Coco was pregnant, I went to

811
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 3: the hospital, and she now still sleeps into bed with us,

812
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: you know. So I'm so much more connected to her

813
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: than my other kids. But it's been a beautiful.

814
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: Thing, you know, I really I took away a lot

815
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: of stuff here, a lot of a lot of a

816
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of gifts, really, and there's a

817
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: lot of things that a lot of hitting gems in there.

818
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: And obviously, I mean I never thought of a when

819
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: you think of gangs of being a big titty blonde,

820
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: you know. Okay, yeah, I get it, though, I get it,

821
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because that that could be

822
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: gangs and big titty blonde, big titty brunette.

823
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 2: Big titty whatever, little titty whatever. I mean.

824
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: You know, Barbara Corkran always says you an got big

825
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: titties put up put with with pigtails.

826
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: You know. So, But.

827
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I gotta say, you know, when you when you when

828
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: you talk about young ice and you're advising a lot

829
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: of the younger people coming up now who look at

830
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: you and you you pretty much have done in your terms.

831
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: It hasn't been easy.

832
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: A lot of people were against you, and it wasn't

833
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: really done before. Of what you've accomplished in regards of

834
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: being very true to your your.

835
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 2: Upbringing, what would you say? What what is your go to.

836
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: In that moment when you have to make critical decisions

837
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: and you say do you trust your gut? Do you say,

838
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: I go back to these cold you know? What is

839
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: your kind of your thing that leads you back to

840
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: the fundamentals of ice And no matter what, he's not

841
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: gonna break these And I don't give a shit if

842
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: I lose everything, I'm not gonna go against this.

843
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: I never I would never betray my friends, you know.

844
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 2: I would never. You know. I'm not that guy you

845
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: know and the only person that can betray you with

846
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 2: somebody that you trust, you know, so I wouldn't. I'm

847
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: not that guy. I don't know, you know.

848
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: I run into lots of issues. I like to sleep

849
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,760
Speaker 3: on stuff, you know. I like to like if something

850
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: is difficult to me to answer, I'm like, give me

851
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 3: some time, let me think on it. A lot of

852
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 3: times I'll wake up the next day. I was noticing

853
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: a lot of times things we stress off. Sometimes you

854
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 3: just need to make the phone call and just get

855
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 3: that out of the way, like just that postponing it.

856
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 2: That anxiety of.

857
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 3: It isn't usually as big as the actual issue once

858
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 3: you get to the people and you talk and get

859
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: that over with. But I just really, I just don't

860
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 3: fuck with bad energy no more. You know, I know

861
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: what bad energy is. I know when you're out to

862
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: do wrong and you're out to do bad things.

863
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 2: I just don't do that no more. I don't even

864
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: entertain it.

865
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: Do you entertain people around you who are not putting

866
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: the energy towards you, but you hear them they talking

867
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: about other people.

868
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: They all got there. So what happened?

869
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: Because sometimes as family, sometimes people who you know, I

870
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: tend to cut people off after years and I look

871
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: at the list, you know, at the end of the year,

872
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: and I go, this person's not a good friend to themselves,

873
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: They're never going to be a good friend to me.

874
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: Or maybe I don't mess with them and there's something

875
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: wrong with me. But whatever it is, I can't change.

876
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't like them, and I just I just kind of,

877
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 1: you know, I let them know where we're at. Though,

878
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: I let them know, Hey, I can't mess with you

879
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: on this level or that level. I tell him I'm

880
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: clear because I don't want to be. I don't want

881
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: I don't want no misunderstandings. What do you do about

882
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: the people around here to do that?

883
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: But they're not.

884
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: They never do it to you. Managers, lawyers, friends, called colleagues.

885
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: They say, if you can't change some of your friends,

886
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: you have to change some of your friends.

887
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: So I, I don't know. Pretty much, I got my

888
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: shit down to a skeleton crew. I'll keep it one hundred.

889
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 3: I got it down to a skeleton crew. I got

890
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: a very very few people that I really fuck with

891
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 3: to where you know, I'm gonna return their phone calls

892
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: if they call me. I just don't fuck with people

893
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 3: like that. Like a lot of one of my homies

894
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: was like, Ice is your friend? Yeah, as Ice ever

895
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: called you? Has he ever called you? Did you ever

896
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: pill on the phone? He's like, hey, man, how you doing?

897
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 2: Okay? Think about that for a minute, right, Like how

898
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 2: does he call you? I don't think.

899
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,919
Speaker 3: My dad used to tell me if you can count

900
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: your friends on your hand, it's a big thing.

901
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: It's very it's very rare that.

902
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 3: You have people that you really let into your real world,

903
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 3: like you know, like I know, grim's your man, I

904
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: know certain people, those are people that are inside. Yeah,

905
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: but those people that are inside are the ones that

906
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: can hurt you the most. That they go less because

907
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: they have the access. So you just have to be

908
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: very cautious. I don't know, Dan, you know, you're right.

909
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 3: I think it's your gut. I think by now your

910
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 3: gut is very seasoned and you can feel it, and

911
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 3: you just try to learn from your mistakes. You make mistakes,

912
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: and you like, I mean, you know, I didn't even

913
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 3: doing business. I just did a business deal with some

914
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 3: people and they came in and they act like they

915
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 3: had a lot of money, and then halfway through the

916
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: deal they ain't had no money.

917
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like, we can't even

918
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 2: assume them.

919
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: They broke And so I told my partner, we cannot

920
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 3: deal with broke mo fuckers, Like before we start, we

921
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: have to make sure they can handle what they claim

922
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: and they can hear.

923
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: So these are lessons. These are lessons.

924
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: But you know, I don't know, man, I don't know

925
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 3: what makes me tick at this moment. I just really

926
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 3: just try to like keep it positive, to keep you know.

927
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 3: You know, my thing is I've never counted on anybody

928
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 3: other's health, hustle. I think that's my success thing is

929
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 3: I've never counted on anyone.

930
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 2: Else but me.

931
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 3: And that's the scary part of it is. Right now,

932
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get into other businesses. I'm trying to

933
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: get you know, we're starting a dispensary. I'm trying to

934
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 3: find things that generate money other than myself, because what

935
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: if something does happen to me and I physically can't

936
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 3: get it, you know, But I have to learn about

937
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 3: those things because I've always been the money person that

938
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: generated the money.

939
00:47:54,160 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: And yeah, man, I just I don't know.

940
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: Man, it's hard to say. Man, I think you just

941
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: have a code. You have a it's really your character.

942
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: It's like, what is your character? It's your character a

943
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: good person or your character a shady person or a

944
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 3: slick person. And you know, I don't got no ops,

945
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 3: I don't got nobody after me. I don't have no

946
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: no negative energy like that. I don't want that shit.

947
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: It ain't worth it, He's not.

948
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: Really you know.

949
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: I think I can vocalize it as well. I mean,

950
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: you know, I agree with so much of what you've said.

951
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 1: But this is about you and me trying to go

952
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole with you and get that thought

953
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: process if you going. But I think it's the same thing,

954
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: you know, after you've been through so much, all these

955
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: deals and people that come to you when it's a rush, right,

956
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: it was always a rush. Hey, Cannas is hot this year,

957
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: let's get it home.

958
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 2: Slow down. So oh hey cryptos hot, this is you.

959
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, I need you to sign this.

960
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: I need you to do this, like you know, And

961
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: if there's so much of a rush and you can't

962
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: go home and think about it, then all of a sudden,

963
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: why was it so much of a rush? Also, yeah,

964
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's not necessarily the deals that you you

965
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: don't do that hold you up. The deals you do

966
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: because you get into the deals of these people that

967
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: don't have money. Because it's funny, right, a lot of

968
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: people will come to you, me and the people listening

969
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: right now, and they go, oh, we're doing all this,

970
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: we're doing all that, we're doing that, but we ain't

971
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: got no money for you because we want to why

972
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: everybody else got picky, why everybody else got paid? What

973
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: are you you're doing? All this and that, you know.

974
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, I like to do they go. You know,

975
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna take this over to ditty. I was

976
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: gonna take this leap. I'm gonna take to you for no, no,

977
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,800
Speaker 1: no no, take it to them, take it to them.

978
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 2: You know.

979
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: But I think I think that, I think it. What

980
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: it really boiled down to is your gut, you know, because.

981
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: You know, yeah.

982
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 3: One thing I like to say also with me is

983
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: that I hold friendships, dear. You know, so I'm friends

984
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 3: with you. I'm friends with doctor Dre. But I'm like, say,

985
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: Dre Dray, But I never talked to Dre about music,

986
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 3: right m you know you're on Shark Tank. I've never

987
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 3: talked you about money. I never we don't talk about it.

988
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: You know.

989
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 3: So I get around somebody like you know Jamon John,

990
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: Oh shit, you should get him that. I'm like, Look, see,

991
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: that's why you can't be his friend, because you know

992
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 3: that's not what he does. You know, if you're friends

993
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 3: with somebody like Dre, you want he wants you to

994
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 3: come over and play Xbox and leave like that.

995
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:25,360
Speaker 2: Just be his friend. You know. If something generically happens,

996
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: that's great.

997
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 3: But you know, I like people for who they are,

998
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 3: you know, and just have friendships.

999
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 2: And that's hard in this business because everybody's angling.

1000
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: You know, your boy will come over and at the

1001
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 3: end of the night, after you done had fun drank,

1002
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 3: here comes a pitch you like this, what this whole

1003
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 3: thing was about? This pitch you got for me? Like,

1004
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 3: come on, man, take it easy.

1005
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's different. Different people see things different ways,

1006
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 2: you know, and so.

1007
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: I I see things my way, and you know, I

1008
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 3: always say, I think, at the end of the day, Dame,

1009
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 3: what really matters to me is my legacy, not the money,

1010
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 3: not none of this shit. Because when you're gone, you're

1011
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 3: just gonna give the money to people who gonna fuck

1012
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 3: it off because they didn't have the acremen to get

1013
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 3: it in the first place. So it doesn't mean they're

1014
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 3: gonna have the acremen to hold it. They're gonna fuck

1015
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 3: it off. So you know, the only thing that really

1016
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: you leave is your reputation. And if you are a

1017
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 3: great man, when people meet your daughter or your wife,

1018
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 3: they go, oh, that's Dami John's people.

1019
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let them through. Like my son is in La

1020
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: this nigga telling me, oh, I got juice.

1021
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 3: You got juice. How the fuck you got juice? You

1022
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 3: telling them you little ice and they letting you through

1023
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: the ropes. That's your daddy's juice, you got, you know.

1024
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 3: But my daughter's in Atlanta. When she says who she is,

1025
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 3: people treat her like a little queen or princess. That's

1026
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 3: what's important to me, my legacy. If I leave here

1027
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 3: as a great man or a good man, then everyone

1028
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 3: else gets to live off of that, not the money.

1029
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 2: It's my rep at the end of the day.

1030
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: Our legacies is more important because that's what our families

1031
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 3: are going to live off of. That's what you know,

1032
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,799
Speaker 3: your your wife, your kids, and on and on and on.

1033
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 3: And we just had to be careful because they try

1034
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: to scandalize you or do something ruin that.

1035
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 2: And that's more important to me than anything else.

1036
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 3: So you know, I've just got to be careful and

1037
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 3: cautious because they hate to see, you know, especially black men,

1038
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: become successful and pull it off and leave, you know,

1039
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 3: on a good note, you know, And that's what my

1040
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 3: thing is about, you know. So I'm very careful and

1041
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: trying to stay you know, straight, So my kids and

1042
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: my wife and anybody who represents me.

1043
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: Can be proud.

1044
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: Right well, Listen, man, I always learned something new when

1045
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: we hang out. And I love the fact of going

1046
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: down this kind of history path, of that moment, the

1047
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: moment that you know, you realize that you were famous

1048
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 1: and you couldn't no longer live the life that you

1049
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: will even even though you didn't have necessarily money, the

1050
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: moment that you have to deal with with the decision

1051
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: of facing Warner and or you were going through the

1052
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: moment of you know, meeting your your wife and changing

1053
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: your life and moving New.

1054
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 2: York and you know, moving away from her.

1055
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: You know who you're with, So a lot of decisions

1056
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: have to be made in your life, man, And I'm

1057
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,479
Speaker 1: glad you took the moment today to share it with us.

1058
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: And you always inspired me.

1059
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 1: A lot of times you're just telling me things that

1060
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I did the right thing or

1061
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 1: anybody else felt like like I feel, you know, as

1062
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to learn and grow. So I appreciate

1063
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: you spending time with me, man, and thank you for being.

1064
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: On that moment.

1065
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, you know what, oh, at the end of

1066
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 3: the day, Man, you know what I learned is that

1067
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: it's always going to be you, just on you by yourself.

1068
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 3: There's not a group of people to help you when

1069
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 3: shit goes wrong, It's going to be on you. And

1070
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: in closing, I try to tell everybody, nobody wakes up.

1071
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: In the morning with your dream. Whatever you want to do.

1072
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: You could think you got partners, but nobody wakes up

1073
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 3: thinking about what you want. And the only way it's

1074
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 3: gonna happen is that you do it. Because I could

1075
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 3: be on the sidelines. I'm helping you, but I don't

1076
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: wake up with your dream. That's your dream, all right,

1077
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: that's sure, Thank you brother.

1078
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 2: All Right, Pete Dame, I've talked to you soon.

1079
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:30,239
Speaker 1: All right, you gotta think, all right, And this has

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