1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Here's where we are in the story of Fall River, Massachusetts, 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: and the misfortune that has befallen it for almost two 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: hundred years. In eighteen forty three, two little boys discovered 4 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: a cannon behind a large warehouse and they ignited it. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: The dry conditions and nearby woodshavings created a firestorm, and 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: the city was nearly ruined. Four people died, at least 7 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: one of them probably from cardiac arrest, all because of 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: two curious little boys who were never identified in the newspapers. 9 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: But one of the little boys may have lived right 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: across the street from the warehouse. It would make sense 11 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: because that boy was ten year old William Darling, and 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: he lived in the home with his mother, Eliza Hathaway 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: Darling Borden, and his stepfather, Lodwick Borden, Andrew Borden's uncle. 14 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 1: That made lod Wae Lizzie Borden's great uncle and Eliza 15 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: her great aunt. We'll talk more about Eliza and her 16 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: background in a bit, but first let's consider the strange 17 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: coincidence of the great fire of Fall River in eighteen 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 1: forty three and the Bordens living right across the street. 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Relative Carrie Nolty says, The connection is odd. 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 2: They were there, they were living across the street from 21 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 2: the block that was burned. It literally was across the 22 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: street that everything just went up. And I mean she 23 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: would have had a little boy who would have been 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 2: in the neighborhood, probably playing, and there is every chance 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: that it was her little boy by her first marriage 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: that was one of the boys that started the conflagration. 27 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: That sounds reasonable and heartbreaking for Fall River. Who could 28 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: the people there really blame two little boys. 29 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure it looked like a hell escape. 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: People had to take others into their home and allow 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: them to stay with them because their homes were burned, 32 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 2: their businesses were burned, everything that they had was gone. 33 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 2: It was I'm sure a time of immense pain and 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: upheaval and grief and I'm sure guilt for whoever those 35 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 2: two children that started the fire. 36 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: And they never. 37 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 2: Identified any other boys, those two boys, not that I 38 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: could find. I would love to know, But that could 39 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: have been for their own protection. Maybe they just didn't 40 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: know who it was, and maybe they were trying to 41 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: not let two little boys catch hell for burning an 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 2: entire city down. 43 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: So then when did curR incident happened. 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: Elizas five years later, eighteen forty eight. 45 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: More about that tragedy. Shortly, the Great Fire of eighteen 46 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: forty three proved that one tiny decision could all and 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: entire community. Forensic chemist Rachel Burks says that accidental fires 48 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 1: are still common and still tragic, but no one should 49 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: be blamed. There are a variety of reasons that they 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: can happen. 51 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: Sometimes we disregard the directions on the back of a 52 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 4: bottle or you know, be careful about that. 53 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 3: And it's like, yeah, these. 54 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 4: Things happen if you're a real hot day and you 55 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: lose power right for a lot of reasons, and the 56 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 4: way you've stored something, we got to really take care 57 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: And sometimes again it may be it's not malicious, it's 58 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 4: just a mistake. 59 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: It's just an unfortunate accident. 60 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: And that's what happened that July afternoon at the back 61 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,119 Speaker 1: of the warehouse. An unfortunate accident. 62 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 5: I mean, those kids, I don't know what happened, Like, yeah, 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 5: I think setting off a cannon into a pile of fuel, 64 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 5: But again, like the magnitude of. 65 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 6: It is what you know may often don't think about. 66 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: Rachel says that fire and water both represent something to 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: people in history, and maybe that was the case with 68 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: the fire of eighteen forty three. 69 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 7: And the thing, of course with the fire imagery, which 70 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 7: is very interesting, is the cleansing fire of biblical kind 71 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,239 Speaker 7: of connotation. And you know, of course it's it's nice 72 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 7: for us to say we don't believe in that kind 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 7: of stuff anymore. 74 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: It's like, but a lot of them, a lot. 75 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 6: Of people do. 76 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 5: Actually people believe in like they're you know, the own 77 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 5: iconography of the twenty first century. 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: An accidental fire in the nineteenth century could destroy an 79 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 1: entire town, as we've learned, and it can alter the 80 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: way a town recovers and who gains power. Author Carol 81 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: Robertson wrote the book on Lizzie Borden, The Trial of 82 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: Lizzie bordon and she notes one last interesting thing about 83 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: the fire in eighteen forty three and how it shifted 84 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: things in Fall River. She says that the fire really 85 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: changed the dynamics of power in what would soon become 86 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: a very important and very wealthy mill town. 87 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 6: You know, I remember it's being spellbound hearing this story 88 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 6: when I first went there. You know, it's it's such 89 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 6: a because there's so much. There's so much drama in it. 90 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 6: You know, there are multiple marriages and this man dying 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 6: in this spectacular way. You know, the fire is fascinating 92 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 6: because it does rearrange the relative status of some of 93 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 6: the families. You know, basically, like a handsome man marries 94 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 6: Mary's a widow and he dies in the fire and 95 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 6: leaves everything to his son. I think, you know, basically 96 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 6: the money goes out of the family that it was 97 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 6: supposed to be in, and I think it goes out 98 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 6: of the Bordon family into the Durfy family, and you know, 99 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 6: there's sort of ill will that existed for a lot 100 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 6: of years after that. 101 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: It turns out that Andrew and his uncle Lodwick Bordon 102 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: were connected all the way back to Thomas Cornell Junior 103 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: from our last season in Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Carrie Nolty 104 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: helps me out with the family line. 105 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: So Thomas Cornell Junior and Sarah Cornell had a daughter 106 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: who was born after he was hanged, and they named 107 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 2: her Innocent, and I assumed for the seventeenth century she 108 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 2: had a fairly normal childhood. 109 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: Eventually, Innocent Cornell became a Bordon, like a lot of 110 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: people did. 111 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: She grew up and married a fellow townsperson named Richard Bordon, 112 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: and they moved across the bay to the town that 113 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 2: would eventually become Fall River, Massachusetts, and they just continued 114 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: living and going on and they ended eventually had children. 115 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,799 Speaker 1: So were innocents and her husband. 116 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: Is it Richard, yes? 117 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Were they the Bordons that made them move to Fall 118 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: River or is there any family that came separately in. 119 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: So Richard and Innocent Bordon they moved across the bay. 120 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: They probably did come with some other family members because 121 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 2: usually if people were moving, they moved in groups. 122 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 3: So after a while, the. 123 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: Bordon's proliferated in this area. So you would have a 124 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: branch of the family that was quite well off, which 125 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: you see really come to a head that kind of 126 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: friction in the Lizzie Bordon story, and a branch of 127 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 2: the family that were not. 128 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Carrie says that Richard and Innocent and eventually Andrew were 129 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: from the branch that was not wealthy. 130 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: They did not have the money, They were not really 131 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: that well off. And part of that, I think is 132 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 2: that with Innocent her father being hanged and her half 133 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 2: brother older brothers inheriting all of his estate there really 134 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: wasn't much. 135 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 3: Left for her. 136 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: Remember, after Thomas Cornell Junior was hanged, and Innocent was 137 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: raised by her mother, Sarah Earle, and Sarah's second husband. 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: But Carrie says Innocent might not have received much money 139 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: even if Thomas had been acquitted and had retained the property. 140 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: Not that women were left very much by their parents 141 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 2: in this time period anyway, but especially being the daughter 142 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 2: of a hanged criminal murderer and the daughter of an 143 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 2: accused murderer, she probably wasn't very well off. It probably 144 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: really set that branch of the family back in quite 145 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: a bit of ways. 146 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: Borden author Kara Robertson says that the lack of wealth 147 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: affected most of the Burdons down the line, including Lizzie's father, Andrew. 148 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 6: You know, not all of them prospered. And Andrew Borden's 149 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 6: father was the fact that a fish pedler. You know, 150 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 6: that's how low he had fallen, or at least his 151 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 6: branch of the family had fallen. 152 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: Kara says that despite the poor start, the Bordons flourished 153 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: in fall River. 154 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 6: The Borgans were among the founders of the town of 155 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 6: fall River, and actually a member of the Bordon family 156 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 6: owned the water rights to the Quickwachan River, which is 157 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 6: a extremely important title. 158 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: When the town was developing. The river was crucial. 159 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 6: As a town like that is developing, and it's it's 160 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 6: the river that ends up providing a lot of hydroelectric power. 161 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 6: And through intermarriage with four or five other families, they 162 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 6: basically end up controlling almost all the mills and any 163 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 6: of the other factories in the area. And they all 164 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 6: live in the same area, which is something called the 165 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 6: Hill District in Fall River, which is the elite residential area. 166 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: Kara says that the five families created a social club 167 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: of sorts, and it seemed to be exclusive. 168 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 6: And then they run their own little mini society with 169 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 6: their you know gatherings that you would expect launching the 170 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 6: young people and sort of ensuring the continuation of the line. 171 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: But Fall River society was tough to break into, especially 172 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: if you weren't a Barden or a Durfy or one 173 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: of the other important families. 174 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 6: So it's an odd mix of a place. There definitely 175 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 6: codes in terms of how one is supposed to behave 176 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 6: and how one is supposed to display their wealth. That 177 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 6: makes it different from. 178 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: New York I asked Kara for an example. 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 6: There's a there's a great story of Detroit heiress who 180 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 6: marries into Fall River society and she's taken aside by 181 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 6: one of the matriarchs and told that her trousseau is 182 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 6: a little dressy for Fall River, you know, because she'd 183 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 6: had everything made in Paris, and so the advice is 184 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 6: basically to leave it in a trunk to age for 185 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 6: a little bit, you know, so she's not too a 186 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 6: la mode. You know, there are there are Yankee characteristics, 187 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 6: you know, of frugality and hard work, and you can't 188 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 6: be too showing. 189 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: Kara says that the five main Fall River families were 190 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: very important to the city's history, and that similarly Fall 191 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: River was very important to the Industrial Revolution in the 192 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: mid eighteen hundreds. 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 6: That's the thing about Fall River is that you know, 194 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 6: they're five main families, but they're you know, there are 195 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 6: a lot of branches. So in the same way that 196 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 6: Andrew Borden is a bordon and that's one of the 197 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,439 Speaker 6: biggest names in Fall River, He's descended from a lesser line. 198 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 6: So if you look at you know, if you look 199 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 6: at cousins, first cousin, second cousins, that are, you know, 200 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,439 Speaker 6: they they begin with a much greater start in life. 201 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: But not Andrew Borden. He was essentially a self made man. 202 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 6: It's this weird combination where on the on the one hand, 203 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 6: you sort of need the Yankee name to get in 204 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 6: to be a possible player, but it doesn't count for 205 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 6: that much without the money that goes with it. 206 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: And now back to the other Burdens. Eliza and Lodwick 207 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: came from the same family lines. 208 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 2: Eliza and Lodwig were both descended from Martha Earl, which 209 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 2: which was Sarah Earl's sister. Ludwig was also descended from 210 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 2: Sarah Earl, and she was his great great great grandmother. 211 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: That's a lot of history and a lot of intermingling. 212 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: Local historian Jeff Balanger and Carrie Nolty talk about Lodwig's 213 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: early marriage. He might have had the Bordon name, but 214 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: he didn't have it easy. 215 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 8: His bad luck started much earlier. So Eliza was not 216 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 8: his first wife. Eliza was his second wife. His first 217 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 8: wife died. They married in eighteen thirty three, Maria Maria Briggs. 218 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 8: They had two children, both died in infancy. 219 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: Maria Briggs was likely related to John Briggs remember him 220 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: from last season. He was Rebecca Briggs. Cornell's brother, John 221 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: Briggs was one of the founders of Portsmouth, Rhode Island. 222 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: He was also the reason that Thomas Cornell Junior was 223 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: first under suspicion for murdering his mother John Briggs and 224 00:12:55,440 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 1: his ghostly dream. Now on to Eliza Darling Borden's personal history, 225 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: Ashley Beiliro says that there aren't that many details to discover. 226 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: I had done some research. 227 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 9: Also, there's so little information about Eliza Liza there is. 228 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 3: There's so little that I have found. 229 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 9: I mean, obviously, if you're digging in you know the 230 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 9: genealogy of it, you're going to come across. 231 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: More luckily descendant. Carrie Nolty has done a lot of 232 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: genealogy research on Eliza Darling bordon. 233 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: So Eliza was born in eighteen eleven and she was 234 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: the second girl and third child of a George Smith 235 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 2: Hathaway and a Eliza Commoner Lions. And the interesting thing 236 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: about George and Eliza it seems that George was born 237 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: in Massachusetts in this area and then went to go 238 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: get some work or perhaps was on a boat as 239 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: a shipmate and was in New York City, where he 240 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 2: met Eliza, and then they got married. 241 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: George needed to support his new wife, so we went 242 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: on the hunt for a job. 243 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 2: George seemed to work at least part time as a 244 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 2: person on a whaling boat. We have a record of 245 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: him in eighteen eighteen sailing out on a whaling boat 246 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: and returning in December of eighteen twenty. 247 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: That was the life of a man on a whaling boat, 248 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: leaving for two years or more and returning to a 249 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: growing family if he returned at all. Whaling was very 250 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,239 Speaker 1: dangerous and many men perished at sea along with their crews. 251 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: I love sea stories, especially those set in the late 252 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds and early eighteen hundreds, when so many men 253 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: left home to toil on the deck of a boat. 254 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: Life on a whaling ship was isolated, just a ship 255 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: full of men. Sometimes the captain's wife and children would 256 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: join the crew on longer va voyages just to keep 257 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: the family together. But this was a dangerous trip. Food 258 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and water would often go bad, the men would break 259 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: out into fights because of the close quarters. Men of 260 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: all ranks and races face danger from illness, injury, shipwrecks, drowning, 261 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: even piracy there was an incredible amount of danger. When 262 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: the crew would spot a whale, the sighting would lift 263 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: their spirits for a little bit. The men would rush 264 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: to catch the whale and then kill it and soon 265 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 1: process it. Here's something about the history of whaling from 266 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: the National Park Service. It describes exactly how George Hathaway 267 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: made money. Whaling was said to be good money, but 268 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: sailors quickly discovered the truth. They were paid not by 269 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: a wage, but by a share of the profits. A 270 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: low ranking sailor might get a half a percent of 271 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: the final take or profit. However, the take was determined 272 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: by the ship's owner, who deducted for the cost of 273 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: the voyage. Many men got paid in advance in order 274 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: to send money home to their families. Whalemen had to 275 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: pay a share of the ship's provisions too. Any additional 276 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: supplies that they needed bandages, medication, clothing, soap, tobacco had 277 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 1: to be bought from the slop chest or the company store. 278 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: If whalemen bought too many items or took too many advances, 279 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: they might exceed their take and end up owing money 280 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: at the end of the voyage. One of my earlier 281 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: seasons of tenfold was set in Ramsa's Past, Texas. It 282 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: was about the death of a young woman who was 283 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: found buried on the beach. In order to build a 284 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: profile of the town in the nineteen thirties, I interviewed 285 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: the captain of a massive shrimp boat in the Gulf 286 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: that would be out to sea for two or three months. 287 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: He said that oftentimes the best crew members were people 288 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: who had been incarcerated, because living in such quarters could 289 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: be maddening. That was the life that Eliza Borden's father 290 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: lived in the early eighteen hundreds. Carrie Nolty found a 291 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: lot of that information in George Smith Hathaway's will. Interesting 292 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: a few more details about Eliza's father. 293 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: Oh, one thing I can say is that the name 294 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 2: of the vessel that George Smith Hathaway sailed on in 295 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 2: eighteen eighteen was the Independence, and we know that his 296 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: age was thirty one. 297 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 3: He had light skin and brown hair. 298 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,479 Speaker 1: I know that doesn't sound very specific, but when you 299 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: do research in the eighteen hundreds, you often take what 300 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: you can get. The new Bedford Whaling Museum retains a 301 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: list of whaling crews, and George is listed as one 302 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: of about twenty men who served on the crew. He 303 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,479 Speaker 1: was the oldest at thirty one, along with a few others. 304 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 1: The listing also says that George lived in fair Haven, Massachusetts. 305 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: I asked Carrie about Eliza Hathaway's siblings. 306 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: There were a total of four or five children in 307 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: Eliza's family, and unfortunately, her mother died when she was 308 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: fairly young. 309 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: Carrie says that Eliza Hathaway's mother died in eighteen twenty two, 310 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: when Eliza was a child. That also wasn't unusual. 311 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Eliza's mother, Eliza Lyon, died in eighteen twenty two 312 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 2: when she was only eleven years old, and her father, 313 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 2: we assume was on a. 314 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 3: Ship standing elsewhere. 315 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 2: Incidentally, we also found that in I want to say 316 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: eighteen twenty or so, we have a record of him 317 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 2: marrying another woman in Wales, Pembroke, Wales. So we don't 318 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 2: know if Eliza and her siblings or any of George's 319 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: family ever knew about that, what that might have done 320 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 2: to them, but he's certainly had children with this other woman, 321 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: and he himself died in eighteen thirty. 322 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,719 Speaker 1: Her mother and father were gone, and then there was 323 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,640 Speaker 1: more dying in Eliza's immediate family. I know I said 324 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: that wasn't unusual in the eighteen hundreds, but this seemed 325 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: to be one tragedy after another. 326 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 2: We do know that in her father's family, along with 327 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: her mother dying in eighteen twenty two, she had six 328 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: aunts and uncles also die in the span of about 329 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 2: a decade, so it was a rapid succession. Her uncle 330 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 2: Humphrey died in eighteen twenty one, her uncle Jethro died 331 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 2: in eighteen twenty four. Her uncle Stephen died also in 332 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: eighteen twenty four. Her aunt Alice also died in eighteen 333 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: twenty four. Hepsiba died in eighteen thirty, and Rebecca also 334 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 2: died in eighteen thirty. Her grandfather, Stephen, George's father, also 335 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,360 Speaker 2: died in eighteen twenty five, and her grandmother, George's his mother, 336 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: died in eighteen thirty one. 337 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 6: Low Us. 338 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: By the time Eliza Hathaway was in her late teens, 339 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: she was alone and she knew that she needed to 340 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 1: find a husband. As sad as that sounds, this was 341 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: just before the mills and factories really began flourishing in 342 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: New England. Women could gain a measure of independence as 343 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: mill workers, but before then there were few options. Often 344 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: they toiled on family farms, or they were employed as 345 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: domestic workers for wealthier families. Women were expected to marry 346 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: up if possible. Finding a husband would have been expected 347 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: of Eliza because she was a woman from an upstanding 348 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,160 Speaker 1: family in Rhode Island, so she found one a man 349 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: who seemed to have a promising future. She was nineteen 350 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: and eighteen thirty when she married a miller named Silas Darling. 351 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: He was four years older than she was, and Eliza 352 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: Hathaway became Eliza Darling. They had two sons, William, the 353 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: boy from the Fire, and his little brother, George Washington Darling. 354 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: They were born within five years of the marriage, but sadly, 355 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: George died when he was young, about five years old. 356 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,719 Speaker 1: That wasn't very unusual because there were various diseases that 357 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: threatened the very young and the very old. We don't 358 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: know a lot about Silas or his marriage to Eliza. Again, 359 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: there's a lack of records from the early eighteen hundreds. 360 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: Welcome to my world. I asked Carrie Nolty what she knew. 361 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,120 Speaker 1: We have any idea how many years it was. 362 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: That they were married. 363 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 2: They were married under ten years, so they did get 364 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: married when she was about twenty years old. They had 365 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: two children, one of whom died early. So this is 366 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 2: both grandparents died, her son died, six aunts and uncles died, 367 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 2: her mother died, and her father died. 368 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 3: This is in a ten year period. 369 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: And this is all in Fall River. 370 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 3: This is all in Fall River. 371 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 1: All that must have been traumatizing, especially losing her youngest son, 372 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: George so early. But the tragedies didn't stop there for Eliza. 373 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty, her husband Silas died at the age 374 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: of thirty three. We don't know how, and Eliza was 375 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: left with seven year old William to raise on her own. 376 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: Silas died in test state, which means he didn't have 377 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: a will. I always find historical documents about wills interesting. 378 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: Here's a bit about the details of Silas's estate. The 379 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: details of the probate were published on December twenty first, 380 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: eighteen forty, and it explains what Eliza had to file 381 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: in order to receive money after her husband's death to 382 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the Honorable Oliver Prescott Esquire, Judge of Probate in and 383 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: of the County of Bristol. This may certify that I 384 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Darling am the wife of Silas J. Darling, late 385 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: of Fall River, deceased, and that your Honor would appoint 386 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: Seth Darling of Fall River in said county and Bristol 387 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: Administrator to settle the estate of my said husband, Silas J. Darling, 388 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: signed Eliza Darling. In February eighteen forty one, Judge Prescott 389 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: signed an order granting Elizabeth one hundred and fifty dollars 390 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: out of the personal estate. Seth Darling was Eliza's father 391 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: in law. Making him executor made sense because he was 392 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,159 Speaker 1: Silas's father and a justice of the peace. So one 393 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty dollars in eighteen forty is about five 394 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in today's money. It wasn't much. Miller's had 395 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: humble incomes, so in eighteen forty Eliza had to start over, 396 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: and she did with a local Fall River man. Sometime 397 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: between eighteen forty and eighteen forty three, Lodwick Borden courted 398 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: Eliza and they married when she was thirty two. This 399 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: was such an interesting time period in Fall River because 400 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: the economy was strong for many people there, especially the Bordens, 401 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: including Lodwick. 402 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 2: So this is in the boom of the Industrial Revolution. 403 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 2: Fall River was a milltown, a port. It had a 404 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: thriving business. It was right next to the center of 405 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: whaling in New England. New Bedford. 406 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: Carrie says that money was coming in hot and fast, 407 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: and everything seemed to be going well. 408 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 2: But as you do in the nineteenth century, there was 409 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 2: a lot of death that came along with that, and 410 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 2: that was just because of hygiene standards, epidemics. People didn't 411 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 2: know how to treat. People would just die sometimes accidents 412 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: doing dangerous activities. Whaling was incredibly dangerous, and working in 413 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 2: the mills was really not that much better. 414 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 1: And one year after the Great Fire of eighteen forty three, 415 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: the Burdens began having babies. Lodwick had gotten Eliza pregnant 416 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: three times very quickly, once in eighteen forty four, then 417 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six, and finally again in eighteen forty seven. 418 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: And remember she had given birth twice before in her 419 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: previous marriage, at least twice that we know of. 420 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,120 Speaker 2: And then Eliza gets pregnant, and then she gets pregnant again, 421 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: and then she gets pregnant again, and we don't know 422 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,639 Speaker 2: if there are any miscarriages in between. 423 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 3: Any of those. 424 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Is Ludwick significantly older than Eliza. 425 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: Now at this point, he's in his late thirties, like 426 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 2: maybe in his early forties. It's pretty normal for this 427 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: time period. And actually even this, you know nowadays, it 428 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 2: wouldn't be looked askance if someone in his late thirties 429 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 2: married somebody in their early thirties. 430 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 8: Do you have a. 431 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: Sense for what love what was his personality like? Because 432 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: we have a great sense of andrew personality. 433 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: I it's unclear. 434 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: We do know a lot about Ludwick's nephew, Andrew, because 435 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: he would eventually become one of the most famous murder 436 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 1: victims in history. Author Kara Robertson says that Andrew was 437 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: stubborn and stingy, and likely not a very affectionate father. 438 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: The Burdons were staples in Fall River. Our Warden tour 439 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: guide Ashley says that Andrew and his second wife had 440 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: not yet moved into the house next door to Lodwick 441 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 1: and Eliza, so. 442 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 9: Andrew Borden didn't move into that house until eighteen seventy two. 443 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 9: Before that, it was built in eighteen forty five for 444 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 9: a Charles Trafton, but before eighteen forty five I'm pretty 445 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 9: sure it was just an open lot. 446 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 3: I don't think there was anything there. 447 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: Eliza Darling Borden was overwhelmed in eighteen forty eight. She 448 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: had three babies, all under the age of four. She 449 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: had a fifteen year old son and a husband who 450 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: was likely away a lot. There was tremendous stress from 451 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: the fire. If her son William had been involved, there 452 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: might have been tremendous guilt. Issa began to seem fragile, 453 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 1: unable to cope at times. Living in the eighteen hundreds 454 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: was very trying. Having children so close together was very trying, 455 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: and being a Borden was not easy. This area is haunted, 456 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,879 Speaker 1: I'm sure of it. New England ghost expert Jeff Balanger agrees, 457 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: and he knows why. 458 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 8: Curses are everywhere first of all, But I think New 459 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 8: England has a culture of preservation with our history. When 460 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 8: you drive down our main streets, it looks like it 461 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 8: did two hundred years ago, except there's like a few 462 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 8: less Dunkin Donuts now just a couple less. But you know, 463 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 8: there's towns where you're not allowed to paint your house 464 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 8: on main street unless it's approved. The colors approved by 465 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 8: the town so we preserve. We also hibernate in the winter, 466 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 8: and that hibernation lends us to sharing stories and talking 467 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 8: about things, gossiping and so on. 468 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Jeff jokes that some Southerners think some Northerners are a 469 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: little cold and too practical. He disagrees. 470 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 8: When I go to like La and someone's like, hey, 471 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 8: let's be best friends, come over for Sunday dinner, I'm like, 472 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,640 Speaker 8: you could be an axe murderer. And then I'm like, well, 473 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 8: I could be an ax murderer. What's wrong with you? 474 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 4: You know? 475 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 8: And I think we're sort of slower to warm and 476 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 8: maybe that's just our puritanical roots shining through. 477 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: Oh boy, now we need to go over the other 478 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: ghosts in full river, just the stories that we touch 479 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 1: on this season. 480 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 3: Okay, what's next? 481 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Morton expert Ashley Bulero lays out her spirited tour of 482 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: the city. 483 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 9: So after that, we stop pretty much across from the 484 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 9: Government Center. It overlooks the Bragger Bridge. It was named 485 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 9: after a Portuguese American man who died. 486 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: In Pearl Harbor. 487 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 9: But just below the brag of Bridge, in about fifty 488 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 9: yards out there is a white and red striped lighthouse 489 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 9: and that's called Bordon Flats. It was named after the 490 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 9: Bordens that had numerous mills along the Tauton River. It 491 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 9: was purchased privately in twenty ten and they turned it 492 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 9: into an airbnb. 493 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: Doesn't sound very ghosty to me an Airbnb, but Ashley 494 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: says it's haunted by a pair of ghosts. 495 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 9: There's claims that there are two ghosts there. A Captain 496 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 9: John Paul, who was the lightkeeper from nineteen twelve to 497 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 9: nineteen twenty seven, and a little girl by the name 498 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 9: of Lucy. Lucy was involved in a boating accident on 499 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 9: the Tatton River. Captain John Paul sees this happening, he 500 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 9: attempts to save her, but unfortunately she did pass away. 501 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 9: The Mayor of Fall River gives Captain John Paul a 502 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 9: medal of bravery in the attempted rescue. And we feel 503 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 9: that maybe Captain John Paul is still there because he 504 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 9: feels obligated to continue watching over the waters of the 505 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 9: town river. And Lucy attached to the man that tried 506 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 9: to save her life. 507 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: Another curse and another haunting connected to the Bordon family. 508 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: This is the creepy and wonderful part of the story. 509 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 9: Captain John Paul is heard whistling in the living quarters, 510 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 9: and Lucy is heard singing nursery rhymes throughout the lighthouse. 511 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Back to Eliza Darling Borden and her husband Lodwick. I 512 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: asked Carrie Nolty about the family dynamic in eighteen forty 513 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: eight years after the Great Fire, when tragedy strikes the 514 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: burdens again. 515 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 9: Okay, and she had a three year old, two year 516 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 9: old in a sixty to nine month old. 517 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 3: Yes, do we know. 518 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 6: Anything about what happened in the days? Well what Ladwick. 519 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 2: Ludwick worked as a miller in what we think is 520 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 2: a lumber yard, which would have been one of the 521 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 2: bigger employers in the area because of the shipbuilding and 522 00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 2: the boom in factory building that was going on in 523 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 2: Massachusetts at that time. 524 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 3: So he must have been just insanely busy, and. 525 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Being a miller was often dangerous exhausting work. The job 526 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: was extremely physically demanding and it took a toll on 527 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: the miller's body. They had to carry heavy sacks of 528 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: grain up and downstairs to grind, oftentimes for flour. They 529 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: also had to maintain all the mills machinery by hand. 530 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: Lodwick likely worked very long hours for probably not a 531 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: lot of money, particularly compared to his wealthy nephew Andrew 532 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: a few decades later. So we've heard a lot that 533 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: Lizzie Bourne's father, Andrew was wealthy, even though he didn't 534 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: display that wealth. That was not the case for the Burdens. 535 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: That preceded him. Now, they were working class people. 536 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 2: They were just out there trying to scratch a living out. 537 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: They Andrew, Lizzie's father, ended up making some shrewd investments 538 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: early on in his career, but then he hoarded the 539 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: money for lack of a better term, he really didn't 540 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: spend it on very much. 541 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: Except that Andrew Borden did value appearance, even the appearance 542 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: of his two daughters. 543 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: It says something about Andrew that he liked appearances because 544 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 2: his daughters would be seen in that. But they didn't 545 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,479 Speaker 2: have indoor plumbing, they didn't have gas lighting, and you know, 546 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 2: they still had to use an outhouse and bring in water, 547 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 2: and they lived in a house that was converted from 548 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 2: a boarding house, so it was in a working neighborhood. 549 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: It was hardly luxurious, hardly befitting what I'm sure his 550 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 2: daughters thought they deserved and what they wanted. 551 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: Ashley Carrie and I talk about the histories of these homes. 552 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 9: These are the only two houses on the street that 553 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 9: date back to the murders and even longer. 554 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: Carrie says that in eighteen forty eight, Eliza and Ludwick 555 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: were living in their own home when work began construction 556 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: on that boarding house that would eventually belong to Andrew Borden. 557 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 2: Eighteen forty eight would have been right about the time 558 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 2: that that house was built, and it was built by 559 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: a Charles Trafton as a rooming house, so the house 560 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: was divided into compartments, which. 561 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 3: Makes it sort of maze like. 562 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 2: And next door Lodwick owned that house next door. It 563 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 2: was a little cape style house and he lived there 564 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 2: with his second wife, Eliza, and her son William Wallace 565 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: and their three children. 566 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 3: In eighteen forty eight. 567 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: Ludwick's job at the mill meant that Eliza was often 568 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: left alone with their three young children and fifteen year 569 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: old William. But remember Eliza must have understood that because 570 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: her father, George, had been away at sea for much 571 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: of her childhood. Even after her mother died after her 572 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: third child, Eliza had grown increased, depressed, incredibly sad, much 573 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: more than just the baby blues. 574 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 9: Eliza Darling had three children back to back to back, 575 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 9: and she was suffering from what we know now today 576 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 9: as postpartum depression, and I think it took a big 577 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 9: toll on her. And women back then weren't really allowed 578 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 9: to talk about mental health. They probably would have been 579 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 9: thrown into an institution if they mentioned, like, oh, I 580 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 9: feel a certain way. 581 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: Eliza appeared to be very religious, which will come into 582 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680 Speaker 1: place soon. I asked Carrie about where this might have 583 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: come from Eliza's religious beliefs before she married Ludwick. Carrie 584 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: says that it's mostly a mystery, except that a clue 585 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 1: might be found in Eliza's childhood. 586 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 2: She was, like many young women, unfortunate in the fact 587 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 2: that her parents, her mother died quite young, and we 588 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 2: can only guess at where she ended up from that. 589 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 2: We do know that New Bedford, where she grew up, 590 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: that area of Massachusetts was undergoing a huge boom, and 591 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 2: the United States itself was really transforming. There was a 592 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,800 Speaker 2: lot of religious fervor. The second grade Awakening was happening 593 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 2: at the same time. 594 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: In our next episode, we'll untangle this story, the story 595 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: behind the tragedy of the Borden family. Eliza Hathaway Darling 596 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Borden is trapped at home. We don't know what her 597 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: marriage to Lodwick is like, but he's likely gone a 598 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: lot of the time. She's suffering from what was clearly 599 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: postpartum depression, and now she's starting to say some concerning things. 600 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:49,279 Speaker 2: In May of eighteen forty eight, she had been expressing 601 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 2: fears that everything was going to come crashing down around them, 602 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 2: that they were going to be found in dire circumstances, 603 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 2: even though the boom was happening and her husband wasn't 604 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 2: good circumstance. 605 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: What would happen to Eliza Borden this particular case, like 606 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 1: most of the ones we've explored on Tinfold More Wicked, 607 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:22,680 Speaker 1: isn't open and shut. On the next episode of Tenfold 608 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 1: War Wicked on exactly right. 609 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 6: You know, there wasn't There wasn't any other or sinister explanation. 610 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 6: It was seen as a family tragedy, and Lodowick had 611 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 6: had more ordinary tragedies before he'd lost his first wife 612 00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 6: and children. 613 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 10: But the big X factor that has been really ignored 614 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 10: up until very recently, and We're only just scratching the surface. 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