1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This is the 3 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: insider news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines 5 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Friscope and now 6 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and 7 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: David Hellman. It is Tuesday, April the twelfth, twenty twenty two. 8 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: The twenty twenty two NFL Draft is just more than 9 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: two weeks away. Hello, welcome. The Big Voice guy said 10 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,959 Speaker 1: it all, and we're actually we're all here today, all 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: four of us back in action. As we tick close 12 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: to the draft, it felt like it would never get here. 13 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: Now it feels like it's way too close, to be 14 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: honest with you, which that's where I want to start today. 15 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: We are in the height of lying season right now, 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: Like this is the time of year where I think, 17 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: for the most part, you've done what you can do. 18 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: They the hey might not be in the barn, but 19 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: like you know the talking points, you know the players, 20 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: and now there's just a whole bunch of smoke messing 21 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: up the top of the draft, and in a year 22 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: where there's not a slam dunk number one prospect or 23 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: a generational quarterback, I think it's even more confusing. First 24 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: of all, like would y'all agree with that? Yeah, yeah, 25 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't. You know. The thing that and we were 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: talking about it here in a little bit pre show, 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: was the doubt you have on certain players. You know, 28 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: did you? You're now having to fight for guys against 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: a room that might not believe what you're thinking. And 30 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: that's that that's the that's the biggest problem that scouts 31 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: are dealing with right now. Is you know, you love 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: it when you start to present a report and you're 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: trying to get that tag on the board or get 34 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: it in the stack, and you're fighting for a player 35 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,119 Speaker 1: and you've got guys that are going with you on that. 36 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: That makes your job a heck of a lot easier. 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: But there's some of these players on this board, and 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: I think it's because the inconsistency of a lot of 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: these guys that trying to get them right is the 40 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: big struggle right now. Which you're totally right, and I 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: we said this before the show, like I completely understand 42 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: how the group think and echo chamber mentality happens because 43 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: it's got to be scary as hell, especially like if 44 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: we miss on a guy, what are you gonna do? 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: You know? But if they'll let you know, fans will 46 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: let you know, are you are you? Are you gonna 47 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: hear it for a couple of years? Are you gonna 48 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: get fired? If Lakwan Treadwell turns out to not be 49 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: a great player, Oops, you're gonna move on us? Yeah? 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: Talk about us? Yeah? I fired? That's the That is 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: the terrifying thing for people that do this professionally. If 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: you've got a two on a guy, yeah, and the 53 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: rest of the room has a five on a guy 54 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: and it's your livelihood on the line, that sounds absolutely terrified. 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 1: So I understand how these grades sort of gravitate toward 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: a mean where they kind of agree with each other. Well, 57 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: what's going to happen is interesting. Take example Walker for Georgia, 58 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: which I mean, the media scouts have got this thing 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: just pumped up. And I'm not talking about just us 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: media scouts. I'm talking like Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, guys 61 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: who were professional scouts in the business are now pumping 62 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: air into a guy. You know Jeff comes on here 63 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,200 Speaker 1: and is talking about listen. I mean, we had a 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: mock draft situation where this guy was our pick, and 65 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,839 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, now he's sixteen, and now 66 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: he's two, you know, and then I agree with him. 67 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: There's four or five guys that I might think that 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: there might be a better rushers than him. That's the 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: scary thing, right. I love the way that you can 70 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: read my mind because I didn't send you a rundown today, Nope, 71 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: But that's exactly what I want to talk about. I 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: brainstormed this idea with Jeff. Credit to you, Jeffrey. I 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: think there are five or six some chips, probably always 74 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: I think there are there are five or six names. 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: I just want to go over in terms of like 76 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: what are we missing? What are we not talking about? 77 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: And and Trayvon Walker is chief among them because in 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: the span of a month, he, like you just said, 79 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: he's being mocked as the number one overall pick a 80 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: month after being a top fifteen guy. So what's what's 81 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: the deal here? And without trying to let other narratives 82 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: influence you, what is your opinion of him? Oh? I 83 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: can get to the notes because the notes aren't gonna 84 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: say top five player. Hold on, I mean it's quay 85 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: Walker that's different. Here we go. Um, I saw Trayvon Walkers, 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: a guy that you could tell was for his size, 87 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: like full size defensive end. You went, oh wow, really 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: good athlete. Like I'm watching this guy dropping coverage and 89 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: then change direction to go make a tackle, and you 90 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,600 Speaker 1: can see that it's a big dude. That's a really 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: good athlete. I wrote that he moves like he's two 92 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: hundred and forty pounds even though he's two hundred and 93 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: seventy five. But I also wrote, my question is how 94 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,280 Speaker 1: good of a pass rusher is? He doesn't look all 95 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: that Bendy, doesn't have an array of pass rush moves 96 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: yet good linear athlete with power. Now, linear athlete was 97 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: disproven by his athletic testing. He's clearly athletic enough to 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: do whatever you want. But I think on tape Trayvon 99 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: Walker is like the tenth best pass rusher in this class, 100 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: maybe fifteenth. So I do think you're projecting his athletic 101 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: traits to translate in the NFL with coaching into a 102 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 1: really good pass rusher, because he was not that in college. 103 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: If you're into the nerd stuff. His pass rush win 104 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: rate was like half of that of the other top 105 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: edge prospects. Yeah, you know, and really a clear understanding 106 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: of this is how Georgia played him. You know, when 107 00:05:56,880 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: they went nickel, they put him at nose. They didn't 108 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: even keep him on the outside. Thinking, now, you you know, 109 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: when you play knows you're as a pass rush, you're 110 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: having to deal with a center, a couple of guards, 111 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: you know that kind of stuff. So to me, they 112 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,279 Speaker 1: didn't even really keep him on the outside. And you know, 113 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: to me, I just kind of look at this. I 114 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: think Jeff's riot about this. I mean, I think there's 115 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: some there's some some good workout numbers, but I don't 116 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: know if it necessarily translates into like the first or 117 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: second overall pick in this draft. I wouldn't think that 118 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: he would be the best player in this draft. That 119 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: that I never when I watched his tape, and this 120 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: is even before all the athletic numbers. You could watch 121 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 1: him against Arkansas and Clemson and some of these teams 122 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,599 Speaker 1: and you're going, well, he's a good player, but is 123 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: he the first or second overall player? I find it 124 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: the tape doesn't show me that I agree with that, 125 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: and I like him probably a little bit more than 126 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: most people, I guess if you're looking at first round guys, 127 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: but I still don't have them anywhere near the Aid 128 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: and Hutchinson's out of Michigan or the Cavon Thibodeaus. In 129 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: terms of that edge rusher class, I think it's those 130 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: two guys a considerable difference because Walker is that third 131 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: and fourth guy. He's right there with George carloft Is 132 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: because they both have just a little bit of that knock. 133 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: I don't think Walker's as strong as those guys. I 134 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: don't think he's athletic as or as athletic, even though 135 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: the numbers, like you said, stood up at some of 136 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: the best numbers in the class. And then I also 137 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: on tapes all inconsistency. He goes up and he tears 138 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: up Alabama in the National Championship game. That's the game 139 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: that everybody remembers. Then you turn around you see him 140 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: kind of struggle a little bit against Kentucky, and he 141 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: goes up against our guys second round. Yeah, and then 142 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the other offensive tackle, left tackle. Yeah, 143 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: he had some issues there. And then against Clemson or 144 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: Thorndale from last year, the kid, the guy that I 145 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: watched la the other guy I was mentioning. But he 146 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: struggles against those guys. He struggles a little bit against Clemson. 147 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: And so there's that inconsistency that goes along with the 148 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: very much so enticing pros. There are so many things, 149 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: little cons that are gonna nag at you that I 150 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't think top two or top 151 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: three is even remotely close to this guy's worth. Jeff 152 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of touched on this. Can you at least talk 153 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: yourself in the idea of his potential, like if he's 154 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: if he's in the right situation with like a good 155 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: D line coach, good you know, Let's say we're to 156 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: go to Jacksonville where he's got Josh Allen on the 157 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: other side of the line. Can I sell you on 158 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: that at all he's with the best team in the country, 159 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: best defense in the country. Or I don't think he don't. 160 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if we're watching a player from Connecticut but 161 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: not one of those finished products though, I mean, he yeah, 162 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: I don't, you know. And the I think Jeff has 163 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: said this before, he's not he doesn't rush as well 164 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,079 Speaker 1: as Thibadeau. You can watch the tape and see that 165 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: and there you're going, oh, okay, I see it this. 166 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: You know, that's a guy to me that I think 167 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: is going to be you know, Corloftus. I've Corloftus over 168 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: this guy as a rusher, So I mean to me, 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like, yeah, sure, but this guy 170 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: also play with the best defense in the country on 171 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: a national championship team. The defensive coordinator ends up getting 172 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 1: a head coaching job at Oregon, you know, I mean 173 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,679 Speaker 1: he didn't. It's not like he went to some small 174 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: school as a head coach and he wasn't just doing 175 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: it by himself. He had all the help in the world. 176 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: There are a lot of players. There might be five 177 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: first round picks from George's defense, honestly, maybe all in 178 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,719 Speaker 1: the front seven. Jordan Davis, DeVante Wyatt. If you get 179 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: into Kobe Deane Walker sneak Lewis scene in there. Yeah, 180 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: see Trayvon Walker, he could go five. I think it's 181 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: way Walker has way Walker could sneak in there too, 182 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: for sure. The other one, which I don't think we've 183 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: spent more than forty five seconds talking about Cavon Thibodeaux 184 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: because it's just it feels like a waste of time 185 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: on a Cowboys podcast. But in terms of understanding the 186 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 1: first round, I would like to know more, just in 187 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: the sense of, like, if he slips the way people 188 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: are projecting, is that lying season bs or at the 189 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: very least, is it just it's that unknowable off the 190 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: field rumor people people, Yeah, that's the problem. That won't 191 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 1: be I mean you could, you could watch the tape 192 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: and clearly see one of the best players in the draft. 193 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: The problem is do you like the attitude? Do you 194 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: want to deal with maybe him being a branding guy? 195 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: Do you want to you know, there's all kinds of 196 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: things that teams will just not This team here will 197 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: would love him. The team other teams around the league 198 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't love how much he is into that kind 199 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: of stuff he need, like a clothing line in the 200 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: pro shop type of Oh sure, okay, yeah, he would, 201 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: he would have his and he'd go and model for you. 202 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Probably we can make that work. Well. It reminds me 203 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: of Khalil Mack, Like I think that's what you're talking about, 204 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: where it's not a two hundred and seventy pound guy. Yeah, 205 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking or whatever, but like he is an 206 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: absolute handful whatever whatever right tackle is unfortunate enough to 207 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: line up against him. If he bullrushes you, he's going 208 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: through you. He can dip, he can generate power from 209 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: odd angles. Like Cavon Thibodeau is a stud. The only 210 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: thing stopping him from being a top three lock is 211 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: whatever the stuff is that I don't know, Yeah, because 212 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: I have not interviewed him or whatever the background is. 213 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: It's making people go, what a football The tape on 214 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: Cavon Thibodeaux. Trayvon Walker dreams of having that tape. Part 215 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: of me believes that it is some of that lying 216 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: that smoke kind of thrown out in the world because 217 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: he's an easy target because he has the off the 218 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: field ego. I mean, Dane Brugler said it himself at 219 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: the combine. He said, whenever you're pulling up a chair 220 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: for Cavon Tibodeau to give him an interview, you have 221 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: to pull up another chair for the ego. You gotta 222 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: put another one right next to him because there's so 223 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: much of that carrying over. I have a professional ego, 224 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: so hey, and we got an extra extra couple chairs 225 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: on the We got chairs, they're in the room. But 226 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: with Cavon Thibodeau, it may just make him that easy 227 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: target to say, hey, we're just not gonna let it. 228 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna slip. He's gonna he's gonna fall. And then 229 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's the first or second player 230 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: taken off the board, and that's exactly where he needs 231 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: to be whenever his tape is out there. Jeff, is 232 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 1: he here? Top rated guy? I have Hutchinson is number 233 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: one because I just think Hutchinson is the safe, safer pick. 234 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 1: I mean buying production, with the traits, with the athleticism. 235 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: Hutchinson is really really, really good. Thibodeau. I think if 236 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: you were saying, hey, it's third and seven, which one 237 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: you're putting in there too? And I want to get 238 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback right now, give me Thibodeau, I'd probably go Thibodeaux. 239 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: Have Thibodeau number one. And you know it's funny. I 240 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: go back and I watch if you want to watch 241 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: what we were talking about, what sailor the kid from 242 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: George George. All of a sudden he's playing against those 243 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: Michigan kids, and you're kind of like going huh. If 244 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 1: you want to watch a good tape at him blocking 245 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: a couple of guys, that gives you a good idea there. 246 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: I think that. I think to me, I think Jeff's 247 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: right about this. You want if you want a guy 248 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: at third and seven to get home on a rush, 249 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: Thibodeau's gonna get home. Hey, Hutchinson can get home. But 250 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a little bit more involved there. 251 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,199 Speaker 1: I do wonder too, the draft industry has become year round. 252 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that plays a role in 253 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: some of this, I think. And Derek Stingley is working 254 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: through it too. That's another guy. Derek Stingley and came on. 255 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 1: Thibodeaux have been in the top ten of mock drafts 256 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: for like two years at this point. Yeah, like boredom 257 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: well in Stingley. Now it's like he's hey, guys, he's 258 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: going back up after his pro day. His Pro day 259 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: doesn't move anyway at all. He's the athlete you already 260 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 1: knew he was. I'm not so much thinking about right now. 261 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: But again, you know, Dane's gonna turn around and do 262 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: a mock draft like two days after this draft ends, 263 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: two years ago or excuse me a year ago because 264 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: he was so young. I mean Stingley was in the 265 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: top five of that. Thibodeau, if you follow the draft, 266 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: has been a name number one people have known forever. 267 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,439 Speaker 1: And sure you would prefer a guy to be mature 268 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: enough to not care about that. But that's probably a 269 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: hard thing to do when people tell you from the 270 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: age of nineteen that you're twelve to twenty four months 271 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: removed from being very, very rich. I don't know. That's 272 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: something he's probably pretty hard to come back against. We 273 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: need to get used to this because in future draft shows, 274 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about kids that had these in 275 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 1: il stuff and making hundreds of thousand dollars, maybe millions 276 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: of dollars with branding and stuff like that. This is 277 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: going to be We've we've had to adjust in the 278 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: league as evaluators. We've had to adjust to the Kyler 279 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: Murray's as the first overall picks. So this is only 280 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: going to change you better. You know, you sit there 281 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: and you don't want to take Thibadeau because he's a 282 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: branding expert or whatever you're you're you're you're missing out. 283 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: Don't don't. Don't let a great player go by because 284 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: you have this this a version of a guy that 285 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: likes to, you know, to try and promote himself. And 286 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: I do think like I mean, NFL team's fall into 287 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: that trap all the time. Absolutely, that is such a 288 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: good point because you're looking down the line, You're looking 289 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: at some of these quarterbacks that are getting the deals. 290 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: I mean, look at Texas and Quinn. You ers, he 291 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: goes to Ohio State League arle early and then he 292 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: goes to Texas. He's going to get massive deals in 293 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: Texas and then he'll be a top pick if everything 294 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: plays out the way that it should. I mean, there 295 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: are guys like this arch Manning, what the younger Manning 296 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: that's coming up through the high school ranks is going 297 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: to be in that regard as well. I mean, there 298 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: are going to be guys that not only could have 299 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 1: those pro shop lines, but already have them in the 300 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: back pocket. It's been at least two weeks since we've 301 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: had an argument about Jordan Davis. Oh fun, as we 302 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: get closer to this thing, and he is, at this 303 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: point again in the eyes of the media machine, is 304 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: a pretty much consensus top fifteen pick. How do you 305 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: feel about that? And what like, where where do you 306 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: have him packed? I'd do it. If any of you 307 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 1: guys are scared, you can always count on you for that. 308 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: Jeff Jordan Davis, at three hundred sixty pounds, tested as 309 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: the most athletic defensive tackle prospect of all time. He 310 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: ain't that on tape. He ain't that. No, he's the 311 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: second or third best defensive tackle in George's roster. He 312 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: is a space eating dude that ran a really impressive 313 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: forty on tape. I bet you if you count every 314 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: play he made outside the tackle box, you ain't a 315 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: fill hand. Yeah, you won't get to five. So, like, 316 00:15:55,440 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: he is a really big, really strong run stuff guy. 317 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: But like when I go back to the nose tackle 318 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: that I want you to be if you're going to 319 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: be a top fifteen pick, he don't move on a 320 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: football field like Vitavea did. Yeah, vit to ba. I 321 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: give you some pass rush. Yeah. Jordan Davis was a 322 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: space eater. And if a team thinks that with his 323 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 1: measurable athleticism, offers the upside to be a top fifteen pick, 324 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: then more power to him. At twenty four. If the 325 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: Cowboys took Jordan Davis, depending on who is available. I 326 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: might go, okay, but I would totally understand a team 327 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: being like, dude, we're not using a first round pick 328 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: on a run stuff. Yeah. I get an argument with 329 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: I think John Owning about this because the on Twitter, 330 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:40,840 Speaker 1: and it was about because I've seen how much Nickel 331 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: does dan Quinn play a lot? Is he going to 332 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: be on Is this guy going to be on the 333 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: field as a pass rusher all the time? You know? 334 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: And no disrespect to John if you're listening, but I 335 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: just kind of thought, how would you use this guy? Yeah, 336 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: you would use them early down stuff. Look what they 337 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: do at Georgia. They take him off the field in 338 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: some pass rushing situation. Yes, you know, so to me, 339 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: I agree with Jeff and and I think there's things 340 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: about him, the athletic stuff. This is guy's a freak 341 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: of nature. Is a vita va? No, he's absolutely not, 342 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: you know. And on my board, with the way he sits. 343 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,439 Speaker 1: When I put this thing out, you're gonna see him. 344 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: I got him in the second round, got twenty first 345 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: round grades, and he's not one of my twenty first 346 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: round grades. You know, he's somewhere in that mix. We've 347 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: talked about him all the time. Somewhere between twenty four 348 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: and maybe thirty two, somewhere he's a you know, he's 349 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: kind of maybe in that spot. But I don't I 350 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: agree with Jeff on that do you think? Sorry, real quick, 351 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: Cole was gonna say, I kind of disagree, Okay, I 352 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: think I think he is. I think he is a 353 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: first round pick. And I get the thought process because 354 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: at least the Georgie you look on the film, he 355 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: didn't pass rush, he didn't get out to the to 356 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 1: the numbers, he didn't go sideline. The sideline left and 357 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: eighty eight came in. They played better do a certain ex. 358 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: Jayleen Carter is gonna be a top ten pick. I 359 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: was about to say, Jay Carton's phenomenal, So Davante Wyatt. 360 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: I also didn't have to get to the outside of 361 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: the whole lot because he had the Kobe Deane behind him, 362 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: because he had Trey Von Walker on the outside, because 363 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: he had Quay Walker coming on the back end as well. 364 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: He didn't have to do a whole lot of that. 365 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: So basically his role at Georgia was run stuffing, because 366 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: that was the role that he was kind of pigeonholed 367 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 1: into because he was on a defense that's so historic. 368 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 1: I think he could bring that to the table. I 369 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,479 Speaker 1: think I see a little bit of that athleticism when 370 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: you watch the tape and there are a couple plays 371 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: where he does get outside. Like you said, maybe you 372 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: can't count on one finger. I saw four, maybe three, 373 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: But I only watched five games of this guy. So 374 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: turn around and maybe you put him on a roster 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: and he's able to play three downs in the NFL. 376 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: He shows you something that he didn't necessarily have to 377 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: show you while he was at Georgia. I'd rather have 378 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: Wyatt than him. He's a good player too, Yeah, I mean, 379 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: I mean they're both people. When people semi mock drafts 380 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: where Wyatt's the number twenty four pick, I get happy 381 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: for those people. I think those people get it. I 382 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: really do. Give me, give me the disruptive three technique. 383 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be an Eagle. Yeah. I don't 384 00:18:57,240 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: think he would be here though, because they've spent so 385 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: much on three techniques and each of the last one. 386 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not. I'm just saying I just know. 387 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,479 Speaker 1: I I mean, I'm here. I'm just talking about as 388 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: a player. I'm talking about as a player. I think 389 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: the team that selects him, when they do, I'm gonna 390 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: be that's that team I think gets a pick, it'll 391 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 1: be the right thing. Yeah, I think the team will 392 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 1: get it real cool. Like when you see a Trayvon 393 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Walker climbed to number one overall, Like when a Daniel 394 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,080 Speaker 1: Jeremiah puts him up there. We kind of sit there 395 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: and say, like somebody who knows stuff is telling him this. 396 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: That is the end, which is the problem. Not to 397 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: take anything away from his scouting a billing. If it 398 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: scares you, yeah, it scares you. You You know when when 399 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 1: when all of a sudden, when you sit there and 400 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 1: you don't particularly like somebody and then all of a 401 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: sudden it's pumped up by three or four different guys. 402 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: That's a scary thought. And we're all jones. Yeah, we're 403 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: all we all don't want to be on that island, 404 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: but you know, we will will die on that island 405 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: if we have to. I mean, there's there's like I said, Hey, 406 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: this is what I saw, and someday somebody will say, oh, yo, 407 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you were wrong about that guy. Fine, I was wrong 408 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: about that guy, But how about the other guys I 409 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: was right about that, you didn't. Right, just predict earlier 410 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: on all of them. You'll get a lot of it, right, Yeah, 411 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: that's going to be a better percentage. Yeah, But I 412 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: think I can't. It's funny this, this whole thing with Walker. 413 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: When we first started this process, Walker was a popular 414 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: mock pick to Dallas at twenty four, and then and 415 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: then he became a popular mock pick to somebody at fifteen, 416 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,679 Speaker 1: and then he became a popular mock pick to the 417 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 1: Lions at two. Can I add what I believe spurred this? 418 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 1: Because last night Dave and I had a nice romantic dinner. 419 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: We did watch some Harry Potter, a couple of Harry Potters, 420 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: and uh, and I believe this came from did it 421 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: goes back to the group think thing because I fall 422 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: victim to it on accident, And like, I take pride 423 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: in watching the ship and putting guys where they belong. Sure, 424 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: but then if you see the entire world, it's like, man, 425 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: this guy is a top three whatever in this class, 426 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, man, I got him in the fifth round. 427 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: Go back and watch him. Like, but you know, I 428 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: just the other day I went back through all my 429 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: receiver notes and I was like, no, no, forget anything, 430 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: no outside noise. And my notes, how are these wide 431 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: receivers ranked? And my wide receivers are Garrett Wilson at 432 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: Ohio State number one, Sky Moore at Western Michigan number two, 433 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: George Pickens at Georgia number three. Yeah, that's my top 434 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: three with no outside noise. And like, I think it 435 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: was the kind of group think that stopped me for 436 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: a while from putting George Pickens where me watching his 437 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: tape said he belongs, which is in the first round. 438 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 1: And if you just go, hey, I watched him play, 439 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: how good is he? And would I take him over 440 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: that guy? My honest answer is yeah, I would take 441 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 1: George Pickens over Trail and Burke's over Jamison Williams over 442 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: Drake London over Chris Olave. So that's one man's opinion, 443 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: but it goes into that whole deal where it's like 444 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: group think, forget it. Here's what I saw. Yeah, guy, 445 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: that's your island. Then you're and I respect the fact, 446 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: then that's what you're supposed to do, is that's you 447 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: standing on that island. And there are not a whole 448 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: lot of people that are gonna put the sky More 449 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: up there, or George Pickens in the mix with the 450 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: Olabes and the Londons and the Wilsons. I like that. 451 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: I think that's a good, good idea on your side. 452 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: I just hope this draft has I hope it's as 453 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: wacky as I think it will be. It will be 454 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 1: with the no quarterbacks and then the uncertainty with teams 455 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 1: with multiple first round picks, you might see some people 456 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: do some crazy things to try and move around and 457 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: see what they need to do. Are we sure there's 458 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: no quarterbacks up there? Well, you know what it looks 459 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: like to me that. I mean, I know my personal board, 460 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: corral is the only first round quarterback that I have, 461 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 1: and then Willis is the next one, and pick it 462 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: and all those other guys. But I think Willis's potential 463 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: as too enticing. Oh no, no, no, absolutely, the Pittsburgh 464 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: stewers are going to pick a quarterback. You know, you 465 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: look at Pittsburg Panther, Yeah, you look at you look 466 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: at you look Carolina very well. I mean, Philadelphia might 467 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: take a quarter Philip Philadelphia might see and I talk 468 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: about not going to but yeah, it's niting these guys. 469 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: It's funny visits. I forgot which one, but I saw 470 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: one the other day where Philly is doing a thirty. 471 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: They brought Corral and didn't it. Maybe it was Correla Wow, yeah, yeah, 472 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: So they're talking about how Jalen hurts as our guy. 473 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: Whether I could have felt like that Philadelphia was doing 474 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,199 Speaker 1: this like getting next year's one, Wait until next year, 475 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: wait till next year and kind of see that maybe 476 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: that we don't want to take the buying season. Maybe 477 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: they wanted to throw you off. It was Correl so Correll. 478 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Maybe they're maybe a false to the second for Philly. 479 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'm really what the commanders do 480 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: at eleven this well, we're gonna get into that. This 481 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 1: was I'm proud of This is a Brian broad A 482 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: segment because we just did twenty three minutes of radio 483 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: and maybe mentioned to the cowboys for like thirty seconds. 484 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: This is what the draft shows all about your damn rights, 485 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: But we we're not ignoring your interests. We will get 486 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: into your cowboy questions right after this break. This is 487 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: Chad Hennings, former Cowboy and proud veteran of the United 488 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 1: States Air Force. When my fellow military veterans choose the 489 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: a they received life changing benefits from the Department of 490 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: Veterans Affairs. 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Here's 500 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: to the Cowboys, Here's to the original light beer. It's 501 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: Miller Time. Celebrate. Response is the Dallas Cowboys dot com 502 00:24:52,960 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: Draft Show Today. Welcome back to the raft Show. I 503 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: don't have it in front of me, but it is 504 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: still tax season. Uh, you have a you have like 505 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: less than a week to do your taxes. Go to 506 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: Liberty Tax dot com slash Cowboys also beamer if you 507 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: can cut to Kyle's camera, we do the The draft 508 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: edition of Star magazine is out. It's available digitally It's 509 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: available in pro shops and stores regionally. Uh geez, we 510 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: got is the Cowboys first Round pick on that cover? 511 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: Which one do you think it is? If you had 512 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: to guess which one? Yen Knygreen. In retrospect, I wish 513 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: we had put Zion on the ID too, but yeah, 514 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: that's okay. I just thought Trent McDuffie's purple and gold 515 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: color looks great. The color looks great. Every year I 516 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,959 Speaker 1: marvel of how I mean the content stuff. I mean, 517 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: we worked on it for a long time, I know, 518 00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: but always marveled how great that the cover was. So that. 519 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: I love how you guys made Nao Kobe Deane the 520 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: biggest guy. Yeah five four, we're trying to manifest some stuff, 521 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: and then made the center the smallest guy, which you 522 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: probably need to pump him up a little bit. Rio two, 523 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Rio two. Yeah, my man puts out ricks in his pocket. Yeah, 524 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: he had either that or the guy that was weighing 525 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: him likes him and put his foot two on the 526 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: scale to kind of help him. I'm fine, I'm just 527 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: I'm choosing to ignore that he's not a thirty visit 528 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: and just I'm just going to continue to pretend like 529 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: the Cowboys will consider him. Maybe I'll be right. We 530 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: got Deely lucky two years ago with this draft guy 531 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 1: because they put uh CJ. Henderson on the front. And 532 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: then there was one other guy I can't remember who 533 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: it was, Jason, Oh, it was it was Caleb and Jason, 534 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: and then Ceedee Lamb was just a throw in because 535 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: he was Ceedee Lamb, because he was one of those 536 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: top guys. And then of course he ended up thinking 537 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: I always argue with our bosses. I'm like, why are 538 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: we need to be putting cowboy targets on the cover? 539 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: Nobody cares if Kyler Murray's on the cover of our 540 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: draft magazine. But I think they threw in CD that 541 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: year because he's an Oklahoma covers Like, I was like, 542 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: why are we putting Ceedee Lamb on this magazine? And 543 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 1: sure enough he's well, Nick's happy that Arkansas guys on 544 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: that there's gonna be a parade in this building. Rob 545 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: Phillips Day and guy, I think the pick has been 546 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: three the three years in a row on the cover. Right, 547 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 1: We're not We're not terrible at this, yeah, I mean 548 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,160 Speaker 1: we're not the Maybe we're not the best, but we're 549 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: not all. We've done it for a long time though. 550 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: All right, we plugged the magazine. Beemer hit me with 551 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: the sound Twitter on the Twitter where we get to 552 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,639 Speaker 1: your questions which ran you alluded to it, Ryan Nobi. 553 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: Ryan says, can we do division needs? With the Giants 554 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: holding two picks in the top ten commanders at eleven 555 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: and now Philly has two picks instead of three, there 556 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: will be a lot of NFC East teams drafting ahead 557 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: of the couch. I was on the Giants podcast the 558 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: other day. They're talking about Sauce Gardener and they're talking 559 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: about a right tackle, so they're looking corner safety. I 560 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: think you need skill in Philadelphia. There's some things about 561 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: maybe getting rid of a Rigor, so maybe they're gonna 562 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: have to do some some upgrading there. That's a shame. 563 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: Ragor needs to go someplace else and go be a star, 564 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: because I think he's capable of that. Um the commanders, 565 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: what about skill there? About wide receivers and stuff like that. 566 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: Look like they're okay with Logan Thomas as a tight end. 567 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: You know, they've got a really quality running back. Maybe 568 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: an offensive line was looking a little beat up at 569 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: the end with them, but quarterback linebacker with them sometimes 570 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: two yeah, either Devin Lloyd or n Kobe because they're 571 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: aging there a little bit. I think they drafted the 572 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: kid from Kentucky there, jam and Davis. It was okay, 573 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,479 Speaker 1: yeah he had he had. I thought he was going 574 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,360 Speaker 1: to play a lot better for them. I really really 575 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: did it. May still he was just a rook. They're 576 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: thinking about what they got safety. I think I think 577 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: Washington's I think Washington's dream pick would be Kyle Hamilton 578 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: because they didn't they didn't bring back Landon Collins. Well yeah, 579 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,800 Speaker 1: you laugh. But like Kyle Hamilton, safety number two. He 580 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: can do it all. He could just be a wait, 581 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: who's safety number one? Oh, dex Hill. Yeah, okay, that's fine. 582 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: I guess we visit notes and be like, screw the world. 583 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: Here's what I think. This sounds weird because looking in 584 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: my island, one would be a top eleven pick. I'm 585 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: just going, I'm just going, Tom Hanks, Kyle Hamilton just 586 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: reminds me of Jaron Curse. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, 587 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: you just didn't take your body what you would be 588 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: asking him to do. Do you think that's worth it? 589 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: Amazing this time though, I know. I mean, it's a 590 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: weird comparison. Compare on wasn't us seventh? We're just pick 591 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: but yeah, we just compared a we just compared a 592 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 1: guy that we absolutely hated to a guy that's good. 593 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: Likely be true, we're comparing the guy who played really 594 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: good NFL box safety this year, but this year we 595 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: would have never is a rookie does what Jaron Curse 596 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: just did this year, he'd be phenomenal, would be a 597 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: big success. Yeah, see that's you know. I think the 598 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: one strength that Curse has is his ability to tackle. 599 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: I think that's the strength of Hamilton. Kyle Hamilt raised 600 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 1: tight ends and tackle. Yeah, that's what we could do. 601 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: I think the Giants have to come out with a 602 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: tackle in the first round. I think one of those 603 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,479 Speaker 1: five or seven they have to come out with one 604 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: of those tackles. Washington, I wouldn't be surprised if they 605 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: spent a wide receiver pick at eleven. I think that's possible. 606 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: To Wilson, Rivera basically has just like he's just got 607 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: a neon sign. That's like I want the Buckeye receivers. 608 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if they don't go defense, I think it 609 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: would be one of those two. And then could you 610 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: see Philly maybe taking an edge rusher in one of 611 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: those two picks, defensive tackle, their defensive line. They're trying 612 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: to think about how to get ready for life because 613 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: they brought in what's ready post Brandon Graham. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 614 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: name an edge rusher or a d tackle and I 615 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised to fill either one of those or 616 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: offensive line. Corloftis could be theirante why and I think 617 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: you said that in the last segment it's gonna be 618 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: their two picks. I think I'd have to see Philly 619 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: draft the linebacker in the first round to believe it. 620 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: Linebacker with the Eagles is kind of like safety with 621 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. They just refused the wide receiver with the Packers. Yeah, 622 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: they just refused to ever spend a big resource on it. 623 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 1: Or the Packers going to draft the wide receiver. There's 624 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: topic George Pickens. You know, it's funny. They do like Pickens, 625 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: They really really do. I mean, and don't throw the 626 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: I mean, don't don't discount that at twenty eight. I 627 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: mean talking to some people up there, shout them. Yeah, 628 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: this is not from Jeffrey Kavano, but a different. Jeffrey 629 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,600 Speaker 1: could have just asked us. He just no, it's not 630 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: a no. But you said the sky. Actually he said 631 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: sky in the first second state fine skymore could player 632 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Moore over it? No. Charlie Kohler the Iowa State 633 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: Titans like him, He just doesn't. He just wants to 634 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,200 Speaker 1: know more, you know what. I think the thing it's 635 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: really really a fascinating draft, and I don't ever remember 636 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: one where there were so many tight ends that were 637 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: six seven. You know, Cole Turner from the Nevada is 638 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 1: a six seven guy. You know, Kohler's the six seven 639 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: guy as well. I think the thing with him is 640 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: when you deal with guys that big, that get down 641 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: the field, it makes it hard for defensive backs to 642 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: defend him, especially when they extend, you know, I mean 643 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: they're hitting forearms and wrists and stuff as the balls 644 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: being caught. And I think that's where you know where 645 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: you look at Kohler. I mean for six seven guys 646 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: two fifty six body control balance, I mean, he's a 647 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: he's really works well in small areas and you could 648 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: see him down in the red zone and stuff like that. 649 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: Brock Purdy's kind of like by the way, I think 650 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: Brock he's gonna be here. He might not get drafted, 651 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 1: but I think he's gonna be here as a quarterback. 652 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 1: That's Kellen Moore, but that but see, but that's where 653 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: you watch Brock Purty throw the ball and you're like going, oh, okay, 654 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, I see you know. And that's where Charlie Kohler. 655 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: I think it was a pretty good job. I think 656 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,240 Speaker 1: that when you talk about him, he presents himself as 657 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: a really good target. And we could say the same 658 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: about Dalton Scholtz. I mean, that's what Dalton Scholtz really does. 659 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of what it reminded me of if these 660 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: bigger guys. I mean, he's way bigger than Dalton Schultz, 661 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: and he prevents or he presents that target. But he's 662 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: got good hands, he can elevate, he can go up 663 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: and get it in traffic. But he left a little 664 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: bit to be desired in the blocking category. He's He's 665 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: a shield wall guy, is what he is. He's not Ken. 666 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 1: I kind of wanted some oomph to him. I wanted 667 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: some powers. Didn't really see that. There's gonna be a 668 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: day and age where we talk about these tight ends 669 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: as not being blockers anymore. They're just pass catchers, different 670 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: time of receiver. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna just gonna say, Matt, 671 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: you know, we're gonna put a tackle in there, going balanced. 672 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: You know, you know we saw a guard play fullback 673 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: last year. I mean, people are going to figure out, 674 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: like these tight ends if like if we if we 675 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: put a tackle or a guard in and we run 676 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: the ball, big deal, we got six seven yards. We 677 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: move on. You know, I don't think there's gonna be 678 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: a day at day and age we talk about tight 679 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: ends totally being detached from being inline position another thing. 680 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: I'm honestly I think that's a thing right now. Sorry, Kyle. 681 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 1: I think all NFL teams are like I, we'll teach 682 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: him how to get in the way. I found myself 683 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: talking to people far less about blocking tight ends than 684 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: I have guys that Blockhea. I was just gonna say, 685 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: I talked to somebody on their coaching staff throughout the season. 686 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: Because the Baylor connection and Big twelve stuff, they say 687 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: that he was one of the best leaders from the 688 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: moment he stepped on campus, in that locker room. If 689 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: somebody that that worked hard, he was the first day 690 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 1: or a first one in, last one out type of guy, 691 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: leader on and off the field. So not only are 692 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: you getting a good pass catcher, a guy who could 693 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: develop as a blocker, but you're getting a guy who 694 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: can make your football team better from a morale, from 695 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: a locker room standpoint. I think that's something valuable to 696 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,560 Speaker 1: throw in there as well. Eric thinks we're way too 697 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: low on Clemson corner Andrew Booth junior and wants to 698 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 1: know how you feel about that. You are pretty low 699 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: on him arm second round, second round him got him 700 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: as and he could go in the first round because 701 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,640 Speaker 1: I think he's my fourth corner, So chill out, dude. 702 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: But a lot of people have a lot of people 703 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,839 Speaker 1: to have him in the top twenty. People have him 704 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: to sneak him in that sky war talk every once 705 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: in a while that it might help. So this is 706 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: like my quarter rankings. My corner rankings is very much 707 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: a trust the tape deal, because like Trent McDuffie, I 708 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: think that his tape is awesome. It's pretty much across 709 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: the board. He's a smaller guy, he's got shorter arms 710 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: like some teams I think won't pick Trent McDuffie period 711 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,600 Speaker 1: because his arms are shorter than thirty inches. And that's 712 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,320 Speaker 1: why I think Andrew Booth could be the third corner 713 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: off the board. It could be Derek Stingley Sauce Gardner 714 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: than Andrew Booth in the top twenty because it's a 715 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: premier position. I saw with him a guy that has 716 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: like I would think Dan Quinn would really like him. Yes, 717 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: because I don't have the length in front of me. 718 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: But he's six foot just over six foot, right, But 719 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: I mean arm length. They don't sixty or seventy six wingspan, Yeah, 720 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,799 Speaker 1: wingspan thirty one. What's seventy six to thirty one arm 721 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 1: plus a chest there, That's that's what I'm thirty one 722 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: is long enough to lsu I can't do that. Out 723 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: of my top ten top fifteen corners, he's the second 724 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: longest arms behind sauce Gardner. And he is a well 725 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: rounded player too. You've seen him say, play press man, 726 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: off man zone, you see him do a little bit 727 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: of everything. I think that he's a really good player 728 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: to premiere position. He's going to be picked probably in 729 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: the first round. And don't forget like premium positions. If 730 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: a team likes you. They do what they gotta do. 731 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Damon Arnette Top 732 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: twenty pick terrible ideas. Aj Terrell also caught a lot 733 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 1: of people off guard speaking of Clemson, and he was 734 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: arguably one of the best corners in the league last year. Yeah, 735 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: I mean, and he had arguably also about Booth And 736 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: you don't see him get a lot of opportunities, you know, 737 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,360 Speaker 1: I mean, he when it's it's like the it's like 738 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: the teams in the ACC are like, we're really not 739 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,359 Speaker 1: interested in throwing the ball his direction. I will say 740 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: this though about the kid though, and I know his 741 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: job is to cover, but he's a fifty fifty tackler 742 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:21,920 Speaker 1: at that. Yeah, he's a fifty fifty tackle but U yeah, yeah. 743 00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,320 Speaker 1: So if you're if you're into that, like all of 744 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:25,880 Speaker 1: a sudden, they throw the ball and he's got to 745 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:27,920 Speaker 1: go make a tackle to get a guy on the ground, 746 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: just know that that ball might go another twelve yards 747 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 1: down the field, or it might be tackled right there 748 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 1: at the spot. And for a guy who gave up 749 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: like sixty and when they threw his direction, I mean, 750 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 1: he gave up sixty two percent completion percentage. It didn't 751 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: look like he was sticky on him either. So if 752 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,320 Speaker 1: you can't tackle and he's not sticky on the corner 753 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 1: or sticky on a wide receiver, then you're gonna have 754 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: some issues. I think No Eggbanogeny was another corner who 755 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: went a lot higher than people were maybe talking about. 756 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I mean he was like a fourth round, 757 00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 1: fourth round grade that went like an second right. He 758 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: either went early too or he might have gone one. 759 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: I think he went on. I think he went and 760 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: we talked about him as like a top eighty type 761 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: of guy, and he went in the first round. I 762 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: don't think any of us have booth outside of the 763 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: second round though. No, he's second round. That's where Yeah, 764 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: I'm right there with it. So we don't talk about him, 765 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 1: but we're not necessarily low on him. Probably to answer 766 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: the Quinn, I just haven't talked about all that many 767 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: corners all that often because I think kyer Elam at 768 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: Florida is also I can do. Quinn might like I 769 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: kind of like the guy Gordon at Washing a little 770 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: bit better than God. Yeah, it's just one of those 771 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: I think corners one of those positions where You're like, 772 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: you're always going to draft the best player available. But 773 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: unless you love the corner that much, there's just other 774 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: things you need to do, you know, Like unless a 775 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: guy that you had graded at the top of the 776 00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: board who you never thought would fall similar to a 777 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: CD Lamb, falls to you, I just think you have 778 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: other things you need to address. Are we discounting the 779 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: fact that the Cowboys could pick a corner at twenty four? 780 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: Are we discounting? I just I just did. Yeah, I 781 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: just did. I know. But that's what I'm saying. Like 782 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,440 Speaker 1: from unless it's somebody that you're absolutely head over heels 783 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,280 Speaker 1: in love with, forget about it. It would have forget 784 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: about it. I just think there are other things you 785 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,719 Speaker 1: need to do. It would have to be somebody that 786 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: they are very confident as soon as they call his name, 787 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,279 Speaker 1: Ken Joseph is riding the bench or learning to play 788 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,319 Speaker 1: the nets, basically your trading Brown or Harris or something 789 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 1: like that. Even but even still like and not to 790 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,840 Speaker 1: say Kelvin can't play in the slot, but that's not 791 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,320 Speaker 1: why they drafted him. I think Kelvin plays outside and 792 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,479 Speaker 1: Brown kicks inside and take Jordan Lewis off the field. 793 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 1: That's what I would do if you what if you 794 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: drafted a guy at twenty four, If you drafted a 795 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: guy at twenty four, then I'd kick, I'd plug and 796 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: play that kid, the drafted player, And then what do 797 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: you do? And they kick Brown inside to play Nicol 798 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: and then Kelvin Joseph and Kelvin Joseph better, he better 799 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: get the attention that oh wait, I need to Yeah, 800 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 1: I better figure this out. That's why unless it is 801 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: and we'll just it doesn't have to be stingy. But 802 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,360 Speaker 1: unless it is like a stingy type guy that you 803 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: just never would be there. Drafting him is basically saying 804 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph might have to ride the bench in his 805 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 1: second year. And I don't think they want to. Yeah, true, 806 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: but I don't think this team. I guess is this 807 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: team's not taking sure. I think the argument, well, dan 808 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: Quinn will protect that pick because he went to Lexington 809 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 1: and put his name on that player. That's that's why 810 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: I think that you won't see them draft a corner 811 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,919 Speaker 1: like that. Never rule anything out completely, but I would 812 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: be pretty shocked. Yeah, I'd be pretty surprised if he's 813 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: gonna put his name on somebody in this draft, Sam Williams, 814 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 1: old Miss defensive end. I think we're already seeing that. Yeah. Yeah, 815 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: one last one before we go, somebody named oeg l. 816 00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,480 Speaker 1: We talked about Abraham Lucas. Yeah, I don't know if 817 00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: that's a name or what we talked about. Abraham Lucas, 818 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: the Washington State tackle. Could he play guard? Do you 819 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: think that is doable? Well? I think that's a tough 820 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: projection because he was a good tackle and Washington State 821 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,799 Speaker 1: does the thing where they're run blocking is always from 822 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 1: a pass set. Yeah, that's my ques question about him 823 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: as a tackle, as I'm like, man, he looks like 824 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,920 Speaker 1: a really smooth and good pass protector. What's he going 825 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: to give you in the run game? And now you 826 00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,879 Speaker 1: want to project him into the spot where I need 827 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: him to kind of move people in there? Uh? Maybe 828 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: he could. I thought, hadn't crossed my mind, you know what, 829 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,880 Speaker 1: Jeff in my notes and maybe I'm hitting the pipe. 830 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 1: But the thing is, I think with the crack pipe 831 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: was saying like, well maybe back in your college day. Yeah, 832 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,839 Speaker 1: it's probably sounded bad anyway, Sorry about that, folks. Uh, 833 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: you know I watched the USC and Washington games with 834 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: this guy, and I kind of thought he was a 835 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,200 Speaker 1: physical drive blocker. I thought that was something that maybe 836 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,760 Speaker 1: that he was a little bit better as a dry blocker. 837 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,879 Speaker 1: Sometimes you're right with those Washington State guys. You don't 838 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,680 Speaker 1: see it. I mean, look what's happened to that guy 839 00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, you know Dillard. He's just completely fallen off 840 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: the map. But I didn't think that he was. I 841 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: didn't think that it was. I could say that I 842 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: thought the run blocking was a little bit better than 843 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's passable lock in because he gets over the 844 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 1: tops of his feet a little bit, but you don't 845 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: see him on the ground and stuff like that, So 846 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: maybe that's a maybe that's a hope. He's six six, 847 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,279 Speaker 1: he's three fifteen, probably a little bit taller for what 848 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: you want for a guard. But I don't know. Because 849 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,879 Speaker 1: I learned yesterday I didn't in those Fortner my guy 850 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: for Kentucky that I absolutely loved the center. I learned 851 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,200 Speaker 1: he played guard at Kentucky. He was a converted garden 852 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: center year before. So now every time I'm like, I've 853 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: never seen him, but when we've seen him play center, 854 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: he played guard. So if people are saying, well, if 855 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: you draft a guy like that, could he play guard guard? Yeah, 856 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's a tough guy. You watch him play 857 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: against Jordan Davis and guys like that. He gets pushed back, 858 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,879 Speaker 1: but he's not getting run over. That was my hope 859 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: right there. The thing about Lucas is it's funny because 860 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,560 Speaker 1: I never thought about moving him the guard, kind of 861 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,880 Speaker 1: along the same lines of you, Brian, but I looked 862 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 1: at maybe swinging him to the right side because he 863 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: played the left at spot. Maybe swing candidate. Yeah, because 864 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,319 Speaker 1: he has so much experience. He's good in his past 865 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,959 Speaker 1: block He's very balanced, and I didn't see a whole 866 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: lot of the hand strength that you wouldn't necessar early 867 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: have to be that powerful drive blocker. But hey, like 868 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,440 Speaker 1: you said, maybe I'm right. You know what the thing 869 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,000 Speaker 1: about it is, I mean you watch a play against 870 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: Jackson against USC and everybody's talking about Jackson, this is 871 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: the second coming of Reggie White, and so you know, 872 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's holding up against him and great 873 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: against him. I kind of like, I mean, I like 874 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: this guy. This is most when he gets picked, I'll 875 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,200 Speaker 1: be like, there you go, there's another smart team. They 876 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: know what they're doing with this kid. I just love 877 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 1: the question because this is the the third round. No I 878 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,279 Speaker 1: have in the second, Oh, I'm the second. This is 879 00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,640 Speaker 1: the time of year for creative problem solving where you say, oh, 880 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: maybe I don't love my options at guard in the 881 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,359 Speaker 1: second round, But what about this tackle that I could move? 882 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We gotta tell me more coming up 883 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: after this break. We appreciate your questions. As always, We'll 884 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 1: be right back after This football season is almost over, 885 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 1: and that means tax season is here. With it comes taxiety. 886 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 1: Filing taxes can be stressful if you choose the wrong partner. 887 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: Don't let taxiety take over this tax season. 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Welcome back to the 923 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,520 Speaker 1: final segment of the Draft Show, presented by your friends 924 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,200 Speaker 1: at Miller Lte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. 925 00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: Try to open this segment better than I closed the 926 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: last one, one of my worst dismounts of the year. 927 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: I think I really love that this is back, though, 928 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: guys I've been enjoying tell me more. I already feel 929 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: like a smarter draft fan. I hope the listeners will agree. 930 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,360 Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna get into it. We got fifteen 931 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: minutes to cover five new guys. I doubt I could. No, 932 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna go over. And that's okay. Kyle's got the 933 00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: next show anyway, they're not on. Yeah, don't worry about it. 934 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: We can run into it. We'll go over. But all right, 935 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna hop right into it. We talked about this 936 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 1: guy in the break, y'all seem to like him. Tell 937 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: me more about Dane Belton, the safety out of Iowa. Yeah, 938 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: I'm glad that somebody wanted to do Dane Belton for 939 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 1: tell me more because about tired of watching guys that 940 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: aren't draftable, rude. Jane Belton is a good player. Like, 941 00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: first you look up who is he give me his measurables. 942 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,000 Speaker 1: What are the numbers? And it's like, oh, five interceptions, 943 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: seven passes defended, Like we got some ball production here. 944 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: All right, what does he do? He plays what did 945 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: Iowa they call the cash spot, which is Daxton Hill 946 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:57,399 Speaker 1: at Michigan. Yeah, where if there are two receivers, he'll 947 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:01,000 Speaker 1: play safety, if there's three, he'll play nicol. If a 948 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,200 Speaker 1: guy motions away, he'll go down to the edge and 949 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: go chase the quarterback. So he was clearly their guy 950 00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: to do all those different things. And as a playing 951 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,960 Speaker 1: forward safety, especially in zone or covering tight ends or 952 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: running backs, Dane Belton can play. Yeah. When I hadn't 953 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,839 Speaker 1: heard his name before and it was like, hey, we're 954 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: gonna do tell me more about Dane Belton. I was like, sweet, 955 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,520 Speaker 1: let me go watch this job Or. I think this 956 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,759 Speaker 1: job Or is a third round pick. Yeah, I think 957 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,360 Speaker 1: that's a top one hundred player. I think he's good. Yeah. 958 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,359 Speaker 1: I think Jeff's got him nailed. I think the thing 959 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: that's the most impressive thing about him is is awareness 960 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,840 Speaker 1: and vision, because that's where I think that he is 961 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160 Speaker 1: going to make a living. And you know, when you 962 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: start to talk about football intelligence and things like that, 963 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,200 Speaker 1: I think this Dane Belton falls into that. He might 964 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,720 Speaker 1: not be one of those guys that when you watch 965 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,520 Speaker 1: him tackle, there's a little bit of that lunge and 966 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,359 Speaker 1: go low. But I don't think he's afraid to do it. 967 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,680 Speaker 1: I just think that there's there's gonna be some times 968 00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,840 Speaker 1: where he's gonna have to kind of make a tackle, 969 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,319 Speaker 1: and I just hope he does. But the vision, the awareness, 970 00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,319 Speaker 1: the ball skills, all those things are top shelf. I 971 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,640 Speaker 1: love his awareness and his positioning because he always seems 972 00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: to be in the right spot. It's kind of like 973 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,440 Speaker 1: what we talked about with Verne McKinley, the organ safety 974 00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,040 Speaker 1: that we had tell me more last week. But he's 975 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,279 Speaker 1: not as quick to get there, but he's in that 976 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: same area, that same mindset with the football IQ, the 977 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,520 Speaker 1: play recognition. He can come down in the box, he 978 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,840 Speaker 1: can stop the run. He's a decent tackler. And I 979 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: say decent because there are some fundamental sides of his 980 00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: tackling just a lunch and part of it. So you 981 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040 Speaker 1: know he'll hit you, Yeah, come across the side. He's 982 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,400 Speaker 1: not afraid to hit, which is something that, of course 983 00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,480 Speaker 1: you look at for some of these later round safeties. 984 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: He will come up and plug a hole if he 985 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,959 Speaker 1: needs to. Not as rangy as some of those top 986 00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,640 Speaker 1: guys up in the draft, and he's got some okay 987 00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: athletic testing numbers. But I like his size, I like 988 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,160 Speaker 1: his demeanor, and his football IQ is certainly something you 989 00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: see on tape. It's funny because I like, when I 990 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,880 Speaker 1: think about safeties now that Dan quinn is here, I 991 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,480 Speaker 1: just think about the fact that they drafted Izzie mcquomo. 992 00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: Yeah six seven, however, but oh yeah, who's the tallest safety. 993 00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,920 Speaker 1: But having said that, Belton is six foot and a 994 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,320 Speaker 1: half with thirty one inch arms, I mean that seems 995 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: plenty of He can run. Yeah, he can run, So 996 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you discount him because of that. Nope, 997 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,560 Speaker 1: this might be a typo, but I have J. T. 998 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: Woods as the top safety. Let me don't just pencil 999 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:28,360 Speaker 1: him down. Yeah, tallest six four, what are we looking at? Definitely? 1000 00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: I think I think I have a type of it. 1001 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,279 Speaker 1: Can he tie his shoes standing up? He can run 1002 00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: really fast. He was the one that went ran like 1003 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,960 Speaker 1: a four to seven unofficial at the combine. Oh yeah, 1004 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,759 Speaker 1: Baylor people run fast. Baylor tracked him. Yep. Tell me 1005 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,520 Speaker 1: if this sounds appealing to the Dallas Cowboys. Talented LSU 1006 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 1: player transfers to Kentucky, finishes his career there. Tell me 1007 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:56,480 Speaker 1: more about Darre Rosenthal. Darre Rosenthal is an offensive tackle 1008 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,840 Speaker 1: and and what's interesting about Rosenthal It's not a great 1009 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:04,279 Speaker 1: way to jump this thing off. Six seven plays really upright. 1010 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:05,839 Speaker 1: Doesn't get a lot of push in the run game. 1011 00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: Letter ability's going to cost him against quick pass rushers. 1012 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: Leans forward when he's engaged, so he doesn't sustain. Well, 1013 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: he's pretty good college player. Don't see NFL traits? Yeah 1014 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: you know this guy? He does. I mean, I love 1015 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 1: your direct attitude. No, no, I was trying to get 1016 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,759 Speaker 1: there and I said, he looks super awkward when he 1017 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: has to block due to his lack of power and strength. Again, 1018 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,719 Speaker 1: you know me, I have problems with those guys. He 1019 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: finds himself on the ground more than you like due 1020 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,640 Speaker 1: to his inability to keep his balance. I could see 1021 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,440 Speaker 1: where a very good foot athlete in some movement is impressive, 1022 00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:40,440 Speaker 1: but he gets caught like he's in a revolving door. 1023 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,160 Speaker 1: He like he blocks and then he gets spun around 1024 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: and then he gets thrown on the ground. And I 1025 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, to me, he was the starting left tackle 1026 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,399 Speaker 1: at Kentucky. And it's funny because they've got some big 1027 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,720 Speaker 1: old guys and at six seven, two ninety he looks 1028 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 1: just super thin out there, but he's engaged and then 1029 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,880 Speaker 1: he'll lose it. And so I mean, you know, that's 1030 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: that's the thing that you have to worry about. But 1031 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,919 Speaker 1: again take my word for it, though, when a guy 1032 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have from any power, he's gonna probably be an 1033 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,279 Speaker 1: all pro. Because this guy is really really long, and 1034 00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: I don't think he's very very strong, and he doesn't 1035 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: mean he balanced. Yeah, there's there's some yeah, yeah, exactly. 1036 00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,399 Speaker 1: That's an offensive line that can you watch them. They 1037 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,560 Speaker 1: can move people and sets up for those gadget guys 1038 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,439 Speaker 1: and this guy every man. Yeah, everybody's moving and he's 1039 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 1: on the ground, is what he's at. He said he 1040 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: has bad balance kind Yeah, I didn't really like the balance, 1041 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,560 Speaker 1: and the pass sets were something that looked at. I 1042 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,360 Speaker 1: liked his demeanor. I mean, he always was really aggressive 1043 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: and he's kind of getting in your face and chippy 1044 00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: type of player. But I don't necessarily see a good 1045 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,239 Speaker 1: mover along with the rest of his offensive line, and 1046 00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: he just kind of looks like he's just not laboring 1047 00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,960 Speaker 1: because he's he almost just looks like he's uncoordinated. Well, 1048 00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:59,560 Speaker 1: it's funny. I was just going through my notes here, 1049 00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,279 Speaker 1: I go it terrible in Georgia game, dealing with their edge, 1050 00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,320 Speaker 1: but you always felt like he was on the verge 1051 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,080 Speaker 1: of disaster. Yeah, he was about to follow over Walker. 1052 00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,200 Speaker 1: It was you put number four across from it. It was. 1053 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:16,960 Speaker 1: It was always like, oh yeah, it was one of 1054 00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,720 Speaker 1: those plays. Yeah, so you're telling me that's not Kelvin 1055 00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: Joseph two point zero. No, not quite, not at all. 1056 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,440 Speaker 1: This is a name that I think raised eyebrows all 1057 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,560 Speaker 1: over the place when he was connected to the Cowboys, 1058 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 1: just because I'll be honest, I had never heard of him. 1059 00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,279 Speaker 1: Tell me more about Malik Davis, the running back out 1060 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: of Florida. Yeah, and it and this is a hard study, 1061 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,280 Speaker 1: It really really is. And you'll find him yeah, because 1062 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,400 Speaker 1: he plays in that rotating system. You're apps right, there 1063 00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,160 Speaker 1: were he was generally the starter though, but you know, 1064 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,799 Speaker 1: you could tell he's not explosive. He's not a quick 1065 00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440 Speaker 1: foot athlete. He catches the ball well. Anybody's an exceptional 1066 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: pass blocker. He really really has a good feel and 1067 00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:58,400 Speaker 1: awareness how and again, that's a running back. If I 1068 00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,359 Speaker 1: was talking about a guard, I think you'd really really happy. 1069 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: But this is a running back. And there were several 1070 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,319 Speaker 1: snaps where he was able to pick up this guy 1071 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,279 Speaker 1: and save his quarterback from being hit. And I think 1072 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,279 Speaker 1: there's something. There was some squareness to his game. There's 1073 00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,920 Speaker 1: some toughness there. He had a touchdown the Alabama game 1074 00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,560 Speaker 1: where he made the safety miss. But he's really not 1075 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,280 Speaker 1: that elusive. He's really steady. He's a straight ahead runner 1076 00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,720 Speaker 1: and ball care He's not going to make many cuts. 1077 00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,799 Speaker 1: He'll run hard, he'll finish. But the whole thing is 1078 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,439 Speaker 1: like his pass blocking and his catching ability is the 1079 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,080 Speaker 1: way that you know that he's going to try and 1080 00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,240 Speaker 1: make in this league. They did put him out wide 1081 00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,280 Speaker 1: in the Georgia game and they had to pick six 1082 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,760 Speaker 1: off it. They threw the ball in his direction and 1083 00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:41,839 Speaker 1: he came back to the ball and then they just 1084 00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,880 Speaker 1: they hammered it and took it back. So you know, 1085 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: we'll see thirty visit for the Alice one invite of 1086 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,320 Speaker 1: the Combine right now, so they're probably getting a physical 1087 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,719 Speaker 1: on him that time. Speed is a four to six 1088 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,439 Speaker 1: four by the way, tends to play that way. He 1089 00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,880 Speaker 1: So just these are some of the totals that he 1090 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 1: had this year running the football. Fourteen carries, one hundred 1091 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: and four yards. That was this best game of the year. 1092 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,719 Speaker 1: That was against Florida Atlantic out of conference USA the 1093 00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,560 Speaker 1: business against South Florida seven of twenty two Alabama he 1094 00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: went ten of eighty six, which was his second best game. 1095 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,719 Speaker 1: They were in the ball. Well Florida did that game 1096 00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:18,640 Speaker 1: overall too long, but forty five yards against Tennessee twenty 1097 00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,479 Speaker 1: two against Kentucky LSU, he had eight yards on four 1098 00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,480 Speaker 1: carries along of seven, so that means three of us 1099 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,760 Speaker 1: carries to come by five thousand yards rush against Florida. 1100 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 1: That sure did. Yeah, So I mean Basically you're looking 1101 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: at the stats, you're looking at the film, and whenever 1102 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,320 Speaker 1: he's in the ball game, they're throwing and they're maybe 1103 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 1: going to throw it to him out of the backfield. 1104 00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: If they're gonna run the football, Damon Pierce is in 1105 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,840 Speaker 1: the backfield. I mean they go to Damien Pears and 1106 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,880 Speaker 1: let him kind of show the explosiveness and so fullback. 1107 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, is he in that conversation right? Yeah, it's 1108 00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: like two pounds, you got to bulk it up if 1109 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,239 Speaker 1: you're gonna do something like that. I just dave he 1110 00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: plays running back. He showed us. Yeah, so he just 1111 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 1: kind of if you ball, he'll run. If you don't, 1112 00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:03,960 Speaker 1: you won't kind of a running back, you know which 1113 00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 1: I do think it's this and and maybe it's it's 1114 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: not this guy. Like I'm I'm not gonna focus too 1115 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: much on a Day three they'll take a fifth to 1116 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 1: sixth round round dude. I wrote about this yesterday. Like 1117 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,440 Speaker 1: their track record over the last decade is they let 1118 00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,040 Speaker 1: it get deep into Day three. I mean that looks good. 1119 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,440 Speaker 1: Not counting Ezekiel Elliott, who they obviously drafted with a 1120 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:30,440 Speaker 1: very specific plan in place that ironically never came to fruition. 1121 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: But they drafted Joseph Randal in the fifth round. They 1122 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,320 Speaker 1: drafted Darius Jackson in the sixth, they drafted Bo Scarborough 1123 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: in the seventh. They drafted Mike Webber in the seventh 1124 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 1: like it. And Tony Pollard was Day three as well, 1125 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,600 Speaker 1: but a fourth round pick. But it's gonna be a 1126 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,799 Speaker 1: Day three guy, Like obviously I wouldn't be. These are 1127 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:53,080 Speaker 1: the types of aspects guys. That's okay, it might be 1128 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, that's again, Like especially the later you 1129 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,239 Speaker 1: get in the draft, the less I personally care about 1130 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,799 Speaker 1: the names on the list. You could take one, but 1131 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,239 Speaker 1: I just want to be on record. I kind of 1132 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,640 Speaker 1: like Rico Dowdle. He was pretty as a kid player. 1133 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted he was an undrafted guy. Yeah, on 1134 00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,240 Speaker 1: the cheap. I don't want to speak out of turn 1135 00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:17,600 Speaker 1: because the guy too. Hip injuries. Hip injuries scare me well, 1136 00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:21,879 Speaker 1: but I mean, by all, by all indications, I think 1137 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 1: he's doing fine. Shaw Allana Lua as well. Yes the way, 1138 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: tell me more about a Mari Barno, the edge rusher 1139 00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,799 Speaker 1: out of Virginia Tech. Oh you want to concise one, 1140 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,759 Speaker 1: Brian to go through all the notes, you're gonna tell 1141 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,319 Speaker 1: me the ron Wolf he can't play. No, no, no, okay, 1142 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you can't play. I'm gonna kind of tell 1143 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,640 Speaker 1: you can't play. I was about to say, Amari Barno 1144 00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: is uh six four and a half two hundred and 1145 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:46,360 Speaker 1: forty six pounds and my guy runs a four to 1146 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 1: three six. That's a Mari Barno and that's the scouting report. 1147 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: I think he is his measurables, and that's good enough 1148 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,560 Speaker 1: to be drafted. If you are six four and a 1149 00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:00,280 Speaker 1: half with long arms and you run a four three six, 1150 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 1: that is enough that a coaching staff is going to 1151 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,320 Speaker 1: pick you. I don't think that the tape is good, 1152 00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,800 Speaker 1: like there are moments where I forget which no, I 1153 00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,319 Speaker 1: don't forget, which you may just look at it North 1154 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: Carolina game running outside of the right and it's just 1155 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,200 Speaker 1: this giant dude that when he gets off a block 1156 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,960 Speaker 1: makes a tackle for loss. The tackle radius looks big 1157 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:24,200 Speaker 1: because he's so long. I think he's a limited player, 1158 00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 1: But six five running four three six, you're getting draft. 1159 00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,160 Speaker 1: It's funny. My exact scouting report. Long and lanky edge 1160 00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: rusher looks skinny for the position, but his speed off 1161 00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,520 Speaker 1: the edge helps him with that. He's got an explosive 1162 00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 1: first step with which helps him gain leverage over some 1163 00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: stronger offensive lineman. But he's sloppy in his footwork and 1164 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:44,480 Speaker 1: in his form, lots of wasted body movement and amount 1165 00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: a ton of awareness with what's happening in the backfield. 1166 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 1: But he takes good angles whenever he has to get 1167 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,000 Speaker 1: to the outside. He might not. He might just be 1168 00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,760 Speaker 1: running four three. So that's true. Maybe you're right. Physically, 1169 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,160 Speaker 1: it's a great looking player, doesn't play like one. Yep, 1170 00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,120 Speaker 1: with a professional coach, maybe six four and a half. No, 1171 00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean six runs a four three. I personally think 1172 00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:06,879 Speaker 1: it's more fun when it's a flawed player. It's yeah, link, 1173 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,960 Speaker 1: his link is impressive, but again he just doesn't have 1174 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,960 Speaker 1: the power. There's snaps where he tends to lose the 1175 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:16,560 Speaker 1: ball and the awareness, and I think that shows because 1176 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: he gets too tight up with the blocker and he 1177 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: needs to get his hands quicker and better used to 1178 00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:24,520 Speaker 1: free himself. I mean, he doesn't always went off the edge, 1179 00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's a problem for him. So you know, 1180 00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,400 Speaker 1: to me, I mean, I thought I watched the Notre 1181 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,240 Speaker 1: Dame game at Notre Dame, North Carolina, Boston College. I 1182 00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: watched three games of this guy, and I was like, 1183 00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,080 Speaker 1: please show me more than you're just good looking. Please 1184 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,520 Speaker 1: show me more than any more than you know. And 1185 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: Notre Dame game, I thought he played better, but the 1186 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,160 Speaker 1: other ones up to it like they blocked him pretty well. 1187 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,880 Speaker 1: It's just a guy that somebody reaches on. Somebody looks 1188 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,600 Speaker 1: at him and says, you know what, I can fix 1189 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: him if he ran a better three cone. Yeah, So 1190 00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: he comes out, he runs the straight line speed and 1191 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 1: then he goes to the three cone and just completely 1192 00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: lets that one fly out. No, you don't bend as 1193 00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: well as somebody who runs like you should. Yeah, four 1194 00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 1: or five, I'm trying to Yeah, that was a short shuttle. 1195 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: That was a shuttle. Okay, Yeah, I don't have his 1196 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: three cone from his prote which means that he probably 1197 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:09,959 Speaker 1: didn't run it. Let me see, I've got those ATP sheets. 1198 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: Let me see if I can tell you what he did. 1199 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: Just talk him on yourselves. Where do you guys have 1200 00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,880 Speaker 1: him graded? Sixth round? Fifth? Yeah? Fifth? Yeah, a late 1201 00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: draft pick that you were throwing after his the traits, 1202 00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:24,760 Speaker 1: it's traits, it's speaking that's that's where that's where you're at. 1203 00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,640 Speaker 1: If you're in. If I'm not, I'm not saying I'm in. 1204 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,479 Speaker 1: But if you're gonna like it, if you're no, if 1205 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:31,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna do that, that's the position where you should. Yeah, 1206 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 1: you should absolutely like if you're just like this guy 1207 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: is not great, but maybe he'll turn into something at 1208 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,800 Speaker 1: edge rusher. Hell yeah, my pass rusher that I want 1209 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: to take a maybe even a third or fourth round 1210 00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,360 Speaker 1: flyer on. And maybe somebody else is gonna like his 1211 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 1: tape a lot better than I do. But Brandon Smith, 1212 00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 1: the Penn State linebacker, we talked about him last week. 1213 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: Wish you were here, oh, because I think that he 1214 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,480 Speaker 1: looks like talking about him, I just think he looks 1215 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:56,760 Speaker 1: like he's never played football before. And he's not a 1216 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:01,760 Speaker 1: late flyer though, But well fire him in the third okay, 1217 00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:03,800 Speaker 1: because if they didn't, and you let me use a 1218 00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,280 Speaker 1: Day three pick in the fourth round, I would pick 1219 00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,320 Speaker 1: a linebacker and I would tell him, hey, guess what 1220 00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,360 Speaker 1: you're about to learn how to play edge. You're gonna 1221 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,280 Speaker 1: go after the quarterback. You're big, you're strong, you're long, 1222 00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: you're athletic. You don't look like you know what you're 1223 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,560 Speaker 1: doing back there, the iron step up here the MP 1224 00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: that it would be a linebacker from Penn State, of 1225 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: all places that you would be asking to do that. Yeah, 1226 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:26,680 Speaker 1: I just don't think he's there at one twenty nine. 1227 00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,120 Speaker 1: If he is, though, we could have that conversation because 1228 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,320 Speaker 1: I like that idea with him because he's so out 1229 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: of control and you don't want him in space sixty 1230 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,080 Speaker 1: three and a half two fifty pounds, thirty four and 1231 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,680 Speaker 1: a half inch arms and runs a four or five two. 1232 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 1: I gotta say, man, I don't like the idea of 1233 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,000 Speaker 1: using a fourth round pick on a guy that you 1234 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,920 Speaker 1: gotta teach how to play football. That sounds kind of 1235 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:48,240 Speaker 1: I gotta teach her how to play football. I just 1236 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: got to teach him how to whoop that dude in 1237 00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: front of you, which you could play an edge is 1238 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,360 Speaker 1: not really playing downhill? Was his best tread? I'll let 1239 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,600 Speaker 1: the Marcus Lawrence. No, his shuttle was a four four 1240 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,640 Speaker 1: h in a four three six from Pro Day is 1241 01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,520 Speaker 1: what they have him at for Barno. Yeah, yeah, So 1242 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,240 Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm looking I think I'm looking at 1243 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,960 Speaker 1: the right thing. U T ten to eleven on the 1244 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,480 Speaker 1: product they have him projected, and I get these sheets 1245 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: from the pro days. The league projects this guy's a 1246 01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,120 Speaker 1: second round player. I mean that's they're they're talking about, 1247 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,120 Speaker 1: this guy's a second round player. Does it have a 1248 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,840 Speaker 1: three cone on that? I don't think he ran it. 1249 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure no, he doesn't. He does not 1250 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,080 Speaker 1: have the three cone. No, So we're to make up 1251 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,360 Speaker 1: whatever you want. We're thinking. We're thinking day three, Yes, 1252 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: pretty firmly. Yes, Okay, we'll wrap this up. We are 1253 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,200 Speaker 1: going over time. I don't care at all. One last one, 1254 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:47,200 Speaker 1: Samori Toure, the Nebraska receiver. What do you got? Bryan 1255 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,920 Speaker 1: has his tape? I don't super productive Brian. I mean 1256 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,320 Speaker 1: he was a transfer from the FCS to the Yeah Montana. Yeah, 1257 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 1: actually yeah, part of the grizz We moved up the ranks. Yeah, 1258 01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: he was kind of that big slot role for them. 1259 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,280 Speaker 1: Him kind of went back and forth, played outside, played 1260 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,840 Speaker 1: a little bit inside. Good tape. I mean he actually 1261 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,920 Speaker 1: showed out pretty well against the bigger teams like the 1262 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,520 Speaker 1: Michigan's in the Ohio States. Yeah, he did Ohio State Northwest, 1263 01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean Northwest, and he killed him. He set a 1264 01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:20,439 Speaker 1: playoff record for Montana against Southwest Louisiana for yards and 1265 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,280 Speaker 1: he's got outstanding time speed. He's six one, he's one 1266 01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,320 Speaker 1: ninety one. Four four two is his speed. You could 1267 01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,439 Speaker 1: see a guy could really really get up to field 1268 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 1: when he has free access. But there's snaps where you see, 1269 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,320 Speaker 1: even like the double moves and stuff can get him open. 1270 01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:35,920 Speaker 1: I thought he tracked the ball pretty well. The body 1271 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,680 Speaker 1: control was good. He wasn't blessed with the best passers 1272 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,040 Speaker 1: when you know, but he always have found a way 1273 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 1: to adjust to the ball, and I thought that was 1274 01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,080 Speaker 1: pretty impressive. He could catch the ball on the move, 1275 01:01:47,160 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: he could take it inside. I thought he was a 1276 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,600 Speaker 1: good finisher. But there's some toughness as of ball carrier 1277 01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: as well, and they use him on some options stuff 1278 01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,560 Speaker 1: like that. I'm looking right now where I put him 1279 01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,280 Speaker 1: on this board or on my board, and I had 1280 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: him and the fifth round is what I had him. 1281 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: I have him as my highest graded non combine invite, 1282 01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,040 Speaker 1: and so I have him in the fourth like late fourth. 1283 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,200 Speaker 1: But I'm right there with you. I like some of 1284 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: the stuff he does. Good route runner, great hands. Honestly, 1285 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I think his hands are phenomenal. Yeah, I mean, of course, 1286 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,439 Speaker 1: by phenomenal's terms. I'm not talking top one hundred hands, 1287 01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:25,960 Speaker 1: but he's he's got good hands, and he's somebody that 1288 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I think could be a perfect developmental receiver. He's somebody 1289 01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,000 Speaker 1: that will come in, he'll play on special teams. He'll 1290 01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:34,280 Speaker 1: he'll be physical, he'll do a bunch of things for 1291 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 1: you on the back end, kind of like a Noah Brown, 1292 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:40,200 Speaker 1: where he will do the fundamental side of things and 1293 01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,360 Speaker 1: then he'll come in and maybe make a flash play 1294 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:44,520 Speaker 1: here and there. I'd rather have the tech guy that 1295 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:49,280 Speaker 1: we talked about last week and in Zookama. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1296 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,000 Speaker 1: I got his name right. Yeah, I would rather. I 1297 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,440 Speaker 1: would rather have him than I would this guy. I 1298 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:57,320 Speaker 1: just say, I love with nine picks. I love the idea. 1299 01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:59,560 Speaker 1: I would love to double up at receiver, just like 1300 01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,040 Speaker 1: they did with Gallup and Cedric Wilson. You saw. I mean, 1301 01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 1: you spend a fifth or sixth round pick on a receiver. 1302 01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: He's not going to be anything meaningful for you right away, 1303 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,960 Speaker 1: but you see the value in what developing a guy 1304 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,520 Speaker 1: like that can do. Any final thoughts, anybody, I just 1305 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,080 Speaker 1: look because I haven't really gotten down to six round receivers, 1306 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:17,640 Speaker 1: but when you're saying that. I was like, sure, give 1307 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: me George Pickens and then give me wan Dale Robinson. 1308 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 1: Let's just have a lot of fun. I don't know, 1309 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:27,040 Speaker 1: I keep seeing I think he's a higher pick than that. Probably, 1310 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 1: I think you're looking more like myself, like a Dontario 1311 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Drummond down in Miami, Ohio, or like a Reggie Roberson 1312 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:36,280 Speaker 1: out of SMU. Maybe those guys are the later guys. 1313 01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:38,120 Speaker 1: Give me give me a two and a five, and 1314 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:41,160 Speaker 1: I semi phijokos here as well. I understand that, but 1315 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,439 Speaker 1: I'm fine. I'm perfectly fine continuing to churn the depth 1316 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,800 Speaker 1: at that position. Gentlemen, this was really fun as always, 1317 01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: I think the fastest hour in radio. See how you ended. Fortunately, 1318 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,760 Speaker 1: we'll be back on Thursday, and you're not gonna throw 1319 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,040 Speaker 1: me off my game you did for Jeff, Brian and Kyle. 1320 01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,120 Speaker 1: I'm Dave. This is in the Draft Show. We'll see 1321 01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:04,320 Speaker 1: y'all next time. Thanks for listening. This has been a 1322 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,000 Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys 1323 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,720 Speaker 1: Football Club.