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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Dory with you.
Speaker 2: Gar Allen Beck with Us attended the Metaphysical Academy in Tampa,
Speaker 2: Florida during the mid nineteen nineties, which later inspired his
Speaker 2: series of short stories called Seven Lessons. The collection chronicles
Speaker 2: Gear's other worldly experiences with reincarnation, astral projection, channeling, and divination.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, he purchased a home that he
Speaker 2: soon found to be haunted by his former occupant. Gar.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: How have you been, Hi, George? I have been well,
Speaker 3: how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm great at Ghost Crimes number three in the trilogy
Speaker 2: finally completed and out.
Speaker 3: Huh the trilogy is complete and outfitt Yes, I'm super excited.
Speaker 2: We'll get into all this. Tell me about this house,
Speaker 2: shoe Bot, what happened?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So and it was actually Halloween weekend,
Speaker 3: So literally I've been in this house twenty five years
Speaker 3: this week. So we purchased a house and did not
Speaker 3: know the history. So as we're moving in the neighborhood,
Speaker 3: kids came up on the bikes and you know, they're
Speaker 3: the storytellers in the neighborhood, and said, you know the
Speaker 3: history of the house, and they said no. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: one of the neighbor kids had actually been involved in
Speaker 3: finding the previous owner deceased, who had taken his own
Speaker 3: life in the house. And this was not disclosed to me,
Speaker 3: and per Florida Lot it is not. Ethically it probably
Speaker 3: should have been, but legally they did not have to.
Speaker 3: And the experiences started right out of the gate. A
Speaker 3: lot of renovations to the house. It was an older
Speaker 3: home and just lots of things that any time I
Speaker 3: did renovation, things would go missing, doors would open, and
Speaker 3: I'd hear banging on the doors. Blinds would be swinging,
Speaker 3: you know, from like an invisible hand swung and knocked them.
Speaker 3: My dogs certainly had you know, moments where they would
Speaker 3: bark into empty rooms and empty corners, and just really
Speaker 3: a lot of activity. And it wasn't egregious at first.
Speaker 3: It was more what I call, you know, parlor tricks.
Speaker 3: But unfortunately it did take a turn into some pretty
Speaker 3: rough territory. And what I discovered was that the provice
Speaker 3: owner had been practicing some sort of magic in a
Speaker 3: way I'm not sure if it was antheo or voodoo
Speaker 3: or something along that line. And there was a he
Speaker 3: had brought something, something very evil into the home.
Speaker 2: How did he die?
Speaker 3: He took his own life with a gun.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: When I first looked at the house, the front bedroom,
Speaker 3: there was a it was a really bad shape and
Speaker 3: there was a big black stain on the on the carpet,
Speaker 3: and ended up, you know, just saying I made a
Speaker 3: deal on the house, knowing it needed a lot of work,
Speaker 3: and they declined the offer. A few weeks later they
Speaker 3: came back and said, hey, he's still interested. So I
Speaker 3: went back to look at the house. Well, they had
Speaker 3: changed out the carpet, painted everything so and I completely
Speaker 3: forgotten about that big black stain. And then my mind,
Speaker 3: I can only imagine that that was obviously, you know,
Speaker 3: from the gunshot loan.
Speaker 2: And do you have any more haunting's going on now?
Speaker 3: So I've worked very hard over the years, George, to
Speaker 3: the secure of my home. I do a sea salt
Speaker 3: holy water mixture. I spray it on the outside of
Speaker 3: my house. I'm very cognizant of where I go and
Speaker 3: try and keep myself centered so that I don't bring
Speaker 3: attachments home, although unfortunately that does happen. But I actually
Speaker 3: called in a psychic several years after moving in. We
Speaker 3: were able to actually cleanse the house, and I believe
Speaker 3: that he removed the evil entity, so to speak, and
Speaker 3: I think we were able to help the previous owner
Speaker 3: kind of move on. So we worked very hard with
Speaker 3: rituals and prayers and things like that to make that happen.
Speaker 2: Would you have still bought the house, scare if they
Speaker 2: had told you that the individual committed suicide?
Speaker 3: It's interesting, that's what the real toracity as well. And
Speaker 3: my response was yes, but you would have gotten a
Speaker 3: lot less for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, God, you could have been able to negotiate a better.
Speaker 3: Price for sure.
Speaker 2: Crime is number three. Tell me about this one?
Speaker 3: Yes, so we I've got the trilogy wrapped up. I
Speaker 3: go back to the first book where Detective Burke is
Speaker 3: hot on the trail of a cult that unfortunately, a
Speaker 3: young boy gets caught in the crossfire and is lost
Speaker 3: in the foster system unfortunately. So it's called an unholy trinity.
Speaker 3: So I bring it all together with those characters, and
Speaker 3: it was so my first book focused on Detective Burke,
Speaker 3: who was the main character in his He goes through
Speaker 3: about a twenty year period very reluctantly experiencing paranormal experiences.
Speaker 3: He's not he doesn't believe in the paranormal, but unfortunately
Speaker 3: these things are happening in the cases that he's investigating.
Speaker 3: He partners with another detective, Garrison and who was sort
Speaker 3: of the skully to his Molder, at least in the beginning.
Speaker 3: And then in the third book, we bring in Lisa,
Speaker 3: who is one of the victim's friends from the first book,
Speaker 3: and she is motivated by the death of her friend
Speaker 3: in a paranormal situation to help others, and so I
Speaker 3: bring them together sort of an unlikely trio as they
Speaker 3: endeavor to help others who were having paranormal experiences.
Speaker 2: Where did dramatic stuff gear.
Speaker 3: Well again, I I, you know, the book started out
Speaker 3: as a compilation of just first responders sharing with me
Speaker 3: things that had happened to them. But there was so
Speaker 3: much emotion attached to it, whether it was confusion, disbelief,
Speaker 3: and certainly fear that I couldn't just you know, list
Speaker 3: them out in a book, you know, in a compilation.
Speaker 3: I had to give it to a character so that
Speaker 3: they could express themselves and show those emotions, and I
Speaker 3: think I accomplished that with those books.
Speaker 2: Most LAE enforcement do not want to go public with
Speaker 2: their paranormal experiences, do they No.
Speaker 3: I received a lot of you know, stories, you know,
Speaker 3: through my website and posting on social media, and I said,
Speaker 3: please don't include my name, and you know, I got
Speaker 3: very general information, and you know, there were some cases
Speaker 3: where it was more, you know, there's no reason for
Speaker 3: my name to be attached, or you know, there might
Speaker 3: have been just don't anybody to think that I'm crazy,
Speaker 3: or you know, hey, this happened, and you know, but
Speaker 3: let's let's keep it between us kind of thing, and
Speaker 3: it was more I think they were it felt good
Speaker 3: to kind of share it and get it out there
Speaker 3: to someone who you know, didn't think they were crazy,
Speaker 3: and that really resonated with me throughout the stories and
Speaker 3: in the book. I actually have created a support group
Speaker 3: for those experience, those first responders that have those experiences.
Speaker 3: So I was able to kind of add all the
Speaker 3: one off stories that I wasn't able to really incorporate
Speaker 3: into the overall narrative, but give them a voice where
Speaker 3: they could share those one offs and get in sort
Speaker 3: of a suppose rason.
Speaker 2: Over the years, we've gotten calls from first responders who
Speaker 2: have told us some incredible stories of what has happened.
Speaker 2: Ghostly wise, It's it's real gear.
Speaker 3: Isn't it. It's it's got to be.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: You look at some of these stories and you listen,
Speaker 3: and sometimes there's an overall theme, and they're a variation
Speaker 3: on a theme. One of the most popular ones is
Speaker 3: the first responder responds, you know, hey, someone's in trouble.
Speaker 3: There in an accident and they're met by somebody who
Speaker 3: either you know, brings them to the car accident or
Speaker 3: brings them into the room of the house where you know,
Speaker 3: someone's in distress or has passed away, only to find
Speaker 3: help later that the person that brought them to there
Speaker 3: was the person that they found deceased. So we hear
Speaker 3: about that a lot with carson sent on the side
Speaker 3: of the road, or you know, responses to the people
Speaker 3: that have passed away in their homes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of the calls that we got were from
Speaker 2: a police officer who said they had a call that
Speaker 2: an individual was dying of a heart attack and they
Speaker 2: got to the house before the ambulance did, so they
Speaker 2: knocked down the door, and a little old man opened
Speaker 2: the door and let him in, and they look inside
Speaker 2: and see somebody on their stomach, lying down like they're dead,
Speaker 2: and they roll him over and he was dead. It
Speaker 2: was the little man who opened the door for them.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: I have a very similar story where they show up
Speaker 3: and the woman in a yellow robe with short brown
Speaker 3: hair answers the door. She points to the stairs. They
Speaker 3: rush upstairs and then they find a deceased woman in
Speaker 3: a yellow robe with short brown hair. And not to
Speaker 3: sound like a cheesy movie, but the call came from
Speaker 3: within the house and there were no other people in
Speaker 3: the house. Yeah, so how do you there's not what
Speaker 3: else do you say about that? Just you know that
Speaker 3: just happened.
Speaker 2: Were you surprised by the amount of stories that kept
Speaker 2: coming your way?
Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't sure, you know, if I was
Speaker 3: going to get twenty thirty forty, But like I said,
Speaker 3: and I did a lot of work where I said, hey,
Speaker 3: you know, you know someone else who you know has
Speaker 3: a story, you know, and sometimes they would share it
Speaker 3: on their behalf, and other times they would just reach
Speaker 3: out to him. And then I started. Then it started snowballing,
Speaker 3: and like I said, a lot of them were variations
Speaker 3: on a theme, but the overall feel and message was that, hey,
Speaker 3: this is what I saw, this is what happened.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that it was a ghost. I'm not
Speaker 3: saying that, you know, it was paranormal or it was anything.
Speaker 3: This is just what happened. And you know, very you know,
Speaker 3: analytical left brain delivery of you know, you decide, you know,
Speaker 3: whether or not this, you know, has an explanation or not.
Speaker 3: And I really appreciate that because that's how I've always
Speaker 3: gone through life and all with all my metaphysical and
Speaker 3: paranormal experiences, I still take things in, you know, through
Speaker 3: my left brain, and if there's an alternative explanation, great,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm open to it. It doesn't have to
Speaker 3: be paranormal and metaphysical. But for many of these stories
Speaker 3: I did not find an alternate explanation.
Speaker 2: How would you categorize yourself here is a documentarian, as
Speaker 2: a paranormal investigator, or what kind of title would you
Speaker 2: give yourself?
Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question. You know, I started
Speaker 3: out as a young person. We're kind of a bad attitude, George.
Speaker 3: I have to admit now that I fifty five, and
Speaker 3: I can look back. I was kind of annoyed with
Speaker 3: the world. I was working retail management, you know, and
Speaker 3: that can really drag you down, you know, and I
Speaker 3: didn't see I went to school, I went to work,
Speaker 3: I went home, and I did you know, the things,
Speaker 3: And it was a little mundane to me. And that's
Speaker 3: unfair to say. The world is not mundane by any means,
Speaker 3: but that attitude and I think the paranormal kind of
Speaker 3: opened me up to there's something so much bigger going on,
Speaker 3: and that's what I needed. I needed that something more.
Speaker 3: This is worth doing, you know, and there's something deeper.
Speaker 3: And I've never been a superficial person. I always like
Speaker 3: the deeper explanation and that it was able to kind
Speaker 3: of get me to look to the other side. So
Speaker 3: you know, I'm I'm a metaphysical perspected person, you know.
Speaker 3: I love things outside of physical reality. And I got
Speaker 3: to be careful because you know, you can lose yourself
Speaker 3: outside of it. Because guess what, my day job is
Speaker 3: still living in the physical world, right to make life work?
Speaker 2: What about the dream state? Do ghosts visit us there?
Speaker 3: So it's interesting. I've been doing a lot of experiments
Speaker 3: over the last several years, and I started having nightmares
Speaker 3: where somebody, something or someone was trying to break into
Speaker 3: my home and they would be at a specific entryway,
Speaker 3: whether it was a sliding glass door, front door, a window.
Speaker 3: And for the first time my nightmares I became audible.
Speaker 3: I would wake up actually screaming and yelling, you know,
Speaker 3: get out of here, and you can't come in here,
Speaker 3: like very clear, audible screaming, which has never happened to
Speaker 3: me in the past. I've always had nightmares, but they
Speaker 3: never went to that level. And so I did a test,
Speaker 3: and like I said, I do a holy water sea
Speaker 3: salt spray around the house, specifically on the doors and windows.
Speaker 3: So I had a friend of mine do it for
Speaker 3: me and had been sometimes since I had I had sprayed,
Speaker 3: and so do me a favored spray, but like, leave
Speaker 3: one entryway, don't spray one window, door, whatever, but don't
Speaker 3: tell me which one it is. And a couple of
Speaker 3: weeks later, I had a nightmare somebody was breaking in.
Speaker 3: It was interesting is they chose a door. It's like
Speaker 3: a little side garage door that I do not use.
Speaker 3: I can't even tell you the last time I used it.
Speaker 3: In fact, on the inside of the house, there's a
Speaker 3: refrigerator in front of it with our drinks. It's I
Speaker 3: got about a second refrigerator, and that was the one
Speaker 3: they were trying to get into, and I was able
Speaker 3: to verify with my friend that that was the door
Speaker 3: they did not secure. So I think in my dream state,
Speaker 3: I was able to connect to that force or that
Speaker 3: entity or that energy trying to get into my home.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's something else. Why would they do this.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's in here that they're attracted to.
Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when I'm out, I talk about
Speaker 3: bringing home attachments, and I never forget I was looking.
Speaker 3: We were looking for a home. We actually purchased a
Speaker 3: new home, but while we're looking at existing homes, I
Speaker 3: remember being in a house and the occupants had been
Speaker 3: there for their entire lives. In fact, the husband had
Speaker 3: literally built the house, you know, beautiful woodwork and everything,
Speaker 3: and the daughter was there showing the house, and so
Speaker 3: she was very proud telling us all about the house.
Speaker 3: I could feel the emotion love, but I could feel
Speaker 3: the mother who had passed away in the house, and
Speaker 3: she did not want me to buy it. For whatever reason.
Speaker 3: I was not the buyer for her home. She had decided,
Speaker 3: and I could just feel it, and I remember saying mentally,
Speaker 3: don't worry, I'm not into you know, all this woodwork.
Speaker 3: It's really just not my styles orus but not for me,
Speaker 3: and I think she realized I could sense her, And
Speaker 3: so that night I woke up and I went to
Speaker 3: the bathroom and as I walked in, a towel just
Speaker 3: flew across the bathroom in front of me, and I
Speaker 3: just knew it was her, And I said, I told
Speaker 3: you about buying your house. It's okay. So I think
Speaker 3: the answer your question, I think if they know that
Speaker 3: we sent them, I don't know if it's hey, someone
Speaker 3: can see me and I need you know, and no
Speaker 3: one's been able to see me, and so they feel
Speaker 3: like they can have some interaction. I think that might
Speaker 3: be one of the driving forces there.
Speaker 2: Have you witnessed channeling or are you a channeler?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back in the day, I had witnessed many
Speaker 3: channeling sessions, and that's what really took it to the
Speaker 3: next level for me. And I wasn't sure what to
Speaker 3: expect when someone said they were gonna channel for me,
Speaker 3: but it became such an everyday experience. The moment it
Speaker 3: started that it just blew me away. You know, a
Speaker 3: woman's voice is coming out of this man's body and
Speaker 3: speaking to me. And there was such a sense of
Speaker 3: peace and understanding and belief that I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 3: And you know, about thirty minutes into the session, they
Speaker 3: referenced a dream I had to night before that I
Speaker 3: hadn't told Anyboddy about and that told me that they
Speaker 3: were in my subconscious they were in my mind, and
Speaker 3: I thought, wow, and it was it was jarring, but
Speaker 3: it was peaceful and it made sense at the same time.
Speaker 3: And and George, I know you've had many interviews and
Speaker 3: talked about, you know, channeled information. It's a lot. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of information that comes in, you know, from
Speaker 3: whether it's coming from you know, your spirit guide or
Speaker 3: you know an alien, you know, an et. So it's
Speaker 3: it's you really have to take that in small doses.
Speaker 2: Have you ever had problems getting rid of ghosts?
Speaker 3: Like I said, I had to call in a psychic
Speaker 3: medium and I did a I had a shaman to
Speaker 3: remote cleansing of my house to remove you know, that
Speaker 3: evil entity that was brought in by the previous owner,
Speaker 3: and at the beginning we were not able to remove it.
Speaker 3: The psychics came in and did a follow up and said,
Speaker 3: you know, it's still here. It's cowered in a corner.
Speaker 3: It's you know, put itself in the corner of the closet.
Speaker 3: You know, it's staying out of the way.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Basically what happened was we made the house unhospitable for
Speaker 3: you know, a negative energy. It was very positive, very
Speaker 3: you know, full of light, and they just didn't want
Speaker 3: to be in it. But they were still there. So
Speaker 3: we really had to work on it and continue and
Speaker 3: I remember doing rituals. There was one where we placed
Speaker 3: lemons in four corners of the room, you know, and
Speaker 3: several days later we come back and if they were black,
Speaker 3: you know, to absorb the negativity. You know, lots of
Speaker 3: things like that. But yeah, eventually we're able to remove them.
Speaker 2: How do you know when you've gotten rid of it.
Speaker 3: I think it's more activity for me going into that.
Speaker 3: It's funny that that front bedroom where the man had
Speaker 3: taken his life, and where in the closet of that
Speaker 3: room is where that empty it sort of like hit itself.
Speaker 3: It was always freezing in there, and I'm in Tampa, Florida,
Speaker 3: so there's no freezing rooms in your house. And we
Speaker 3: would close the vent and it would still get cold
Speaker 3: in that room. Very strange. And again, you know when
Speaker 3: you first move in and you're kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: you don't think about those things. And then I got
Speaker 3: the backstory and it was like wow, but yeah, it
Speaker 3: was it was more of activity. I remember the dogs
Speaker 3: chasing an invisible something down the hallway to that bedroom
Speaker 3: and stopping at the door and then barking through the door.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Dogs are very perceptive of the spirit world, aren't they.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, Oh yes. And I had a painting someone
Speaker 3: actually the individual who channeled for me way back in
Speaker 3: the day. It was also an artist, and he painted
Speaker 3: a picture for me Egyptian themed. And I remember my
Speaker 3: first generation of dogs, my black lab would you know,
Speaker 3: just growl at it is the foot of the bed.
Speaker 3: He would look up and just growl at it, and
Speaker 3: I thought it was a reflection off, you know, the
Speaker 3: glass or something like that. And I'm on my second
Speaker 3: generations of dogs and now I have a dog who
Speaker 3: growls at it as well.
Speaker 2: How important is it evoking the name Jesus or God
Speaker 2: to the spirit world.
Speaker 3: I think it's insanely effective and strong. I think anything
Speaker 3: that you feed and give strength is going to absolutely
Speaker 3: be effective. But it's got to be back to my belief.
Speaker 3: So and then obviously there's you know, a huge amount
Speaker 3: of belief behind that. So for me, it's because early
Speaker 3: on I had, you know, the channeling session with my
Speaker 3: spirit guide. I reach out to them for protection, but
Speaker 3: I believe in them because I had, you know, that
Speaker 3: experience in channeling. So I think anything that you absolutely believe,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of falls into that reality creation part
Speaker 3: of metaphysics. And you know, you you put a thought
Speaker 3: out there and you manifest it with emotion, and I
Speaker 3: think that emotion has to be genuine with belief. As
Speaker 3: long as you have that, yeah, I think you can
Speaker 3: create anything you want and bring in that that that
Speaker 3: support and that protection.
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