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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Dory with you.

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Speaker 2: Gar Allen Beck with Us attended the Metaphysical Academy in Tampa,

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Speaker 2: Florida during the mid nineteen nineties, which later inspired his

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Speaker 2: series of short stories called Seven Lessons. The collection chronicles

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Speaker 2: Gear's other worldly experiences with reincarnation, astral projection, channeling, and divination.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety nine, he purchased a home that he

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Speaker 2: soon found to be haunted by his former occupant. Gar.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back.

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Speaker 3: How have you been, Hi, George? I have been well,

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Speaker 3: how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm great at Ghost Crimes number three in the trilogy

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Speaker 2: finally completed and out.

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Speaker 3: Huh the trilogy is complete and outfitt Yes, I'm super excited.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into all this. Tell me about this house,

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Speaker 2: shoe Bot, what happened?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. So and it was actually Halloween weekend,

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Speaker 3: So literally I've been in this house twenty five years

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Speaker 3: this week. So we purchased a house and did not

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Speaker 3: know the history. So as we're moving in the neighborhood,

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Speaker 3: kids came up on the bikes and you know, they're

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Speaker 3: the storytellers in the neighborhood, and said, you know the

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Speaker 3: history of the house, and they said no. And unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: one of the neighbor kids had actually been involved in

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Speaker 3: finding the previous owner deceased, who had taken his own

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Speaker 3: life in the house. And this was not disclosed to me,

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Speaker 3: and per Florida Lot it is not. Ethically it probably

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Speaker 3: should have been, but legally they did not have to.

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Speaker 3: And the experiences started right out of the gate. A

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Speaker 3: lot of renovations to the house. It was an older

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Speaker 3: home and just lots of things that any time I

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Speaker 3: did renovation, things would go missing, doors would open, and

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Speaker 3: I'd hear banging on the doors. Blinds would be swinging,

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Speaker 3: you know, from like an invisible hand swung and knocked them.

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Speaker 3: My dogs certainly had you know, moments where they would

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Speaker 3: bark into empty rooms and empty corners, and just really

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Speaker 3: a lot of activity. And it wasn't egregious at first.

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Speaker 3: It was more what I call, you know, parlor tricks.

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Speaker 3: But unfortunately it did take a turn into some pretty

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Speaker 3: rough territory. And what I discovered was that the provice

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Speaker 3: owner had been practicing some sort of magic in a

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Speaker 3: way I'm not sure if it was antheo or voodoo

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Speaker 3: or something along that line. And there was a he

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Speaker 3: had brought something, something very evil into the home.

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Speaker 2: How did he die?

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Speaker 3: He took his own life with a gun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When I first looked at the house, the front bedroom,

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Speaker 3: there was a it was a really bad shape and

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Speaker 3: there was a big black stain on the on the carpet,

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Speaker 3: and ended up, you know, just saying I made a

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Speaker 3: deal on the house, knowing it needed a lot of work,

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Speaker 3: and they declined the offer. A few weeks later they

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Speaker 3: came back and said, hey, he's still interested. So I

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Speaker 3: went back to look at the house. Well, they had

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Speaker 3: changed out the carpet, painted everything so and I completely

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine that that was obviously, you know,

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Speaker 3: from the gunshot loan.

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Speaker 2: And do you have any more haunting's going on now?

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Speaker 3: So I've worked very hard over the years, George, to

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Speaker 3: the secure of my home. I do a sea salt

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Speaker 3: holy water mixture. I spray it on the outside of

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Speaker 3: my house. I'm very cognizant of where I go and

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Speaker 3: try and keep myself centered so that I don't bring

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Speaker 3: attachments home, although unfortunately that does happen. But I actually

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Speaker 3: called in a psychic several years after moving in. We

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Speaker 3: were able to actually cleanse the house, and I believe

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Speaker 3: that he removed the evil entity, so to speak, and

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Speaker 3: I think we were able to help the previous owner

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Speaker 3: rituals and prayers and things like that to make that happen.

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Speaker 2: Would you have still bought the house, scare if they

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Speaker 2: had told you that the individual committed suicide?

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Speaker 3: It's interesting, that's what the real toracity as well. And

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Speaker 3: my response was yes, but you would have gotten a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, God, you could have been able to negotiate a better.

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Speaker 2: Crime is number three. Tell me about this one?

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Speaker 3: Yes, so we I've got the trilogy wrapped up. I

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Speaker 3: go back to the first book where Detective Burke is

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Speaker 3: So I bring it all together with those characters, and

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Speaker 3: He's not he doesn't believe in the paranormal, but unfortunately

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Speaker 3: He partners with another detective, Garrison and who was sort

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Speaker 3: And then in the third book, we bring in Lisa,

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Speaker 3: and she is motivated by the death of her friend

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Speaker 3: in a paranormal situation to help others, and so I

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Speaker 2: Where did dramatic stuff gear.

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Speaker 3: Well again, I I, you know, the book started out

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Speaker 2: Most LAE enforcement do not want to go public with

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Speaker 3: I received a lot of you know, stories, you know,

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Speaker 3: very general information, and you know, there were some cases

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Speaker 3: and that really resonated with me throughout the stories and

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Speaker 2: Over the years, we've gotten calls from first responders who

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Speaker 2: Ghostly wise, It's it's real gear.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it. It's it's got to be.

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Speaker 3: sound like a cheesy movie, but the call came from

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Speaker 2: Were you surprised by the amount of stories that kept

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Speaker 3: I was. I wasn't sure, you know, if I was

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Speaker 3: And I really appreciate that because that's how I've always

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Speaker 2: How would you categorize yourself here is a documentarian, as

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a good question. You know, I started

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Speaker 3: I have to admit now that I fifty five, and

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Speaker 3: unfair to say. The world is not mundane by any means,

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Speaker 3: but that attitude and I think the paranormal kind of

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Speaker 3: and that's what I needed. I needed that something more.

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Speaker 3: This is worth doing, you know, and there's something deeper.

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Speaker 3: And I've never been a superficial person. I always like

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Speaker 2: What about the dream state? Do ghosts visit us there?

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Speaker 3: So it's interesting. I've been doing a lot of experiments

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Speaker 3: And for the first time my nightmares I became audible.

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Speaker 3: like very clear, audible screaming, which has never happened to

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Speaker 3: and like I said, I do a holy water sea

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Speaker 3: It was interesting is they chose a door. It's like

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Speaker 3: In fact, on the inside of the house, there's a

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Speaker 3: got about a second refrigerator, and that was the one

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Speaker 3: I was able to connect to that force or that

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's something else. Why would they do this.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what's in here that they're attracted to.

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Speaker 3: And I think sometimes when I'm out, I talk about

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Speaker 3: We were looking for a home. We actually purchased a

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Speaker 3: remember being in a house and the occupants had been

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Speaker 3: literally built the house, you know, beautiful woodwork and everything,

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Speaker 3: I could feel the emotion love, but I could feel

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Speaker 3: I was not the buyer for her home. She had decided,

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Speaker 3: and I could just feel it, and I remember saying mentally,

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Speaker 3: It's really just not my styles orus but not for me,

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Speaker 2: Have you witnessed channeling or are you a channeler?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so back in the day, I had witnessed many

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Speaker 3: but it became such an everyday experience. The moment it

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Speaker 3: And you know, about thirty minutes into the session, they

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Speaker 3: And and George, I know you've had many interviews and

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Speaker 3: it's you really have to take that in small doses.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had problems getting rid of ghosts?

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Speaker 3: Like I said, I had to call in a psychic

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Speaker 3: medium and I did a I had a shaman to

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Speaker 3: remote cleansing of my house to remove you know, that

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Speaker 3: and at the beginning we were not able to remove it.

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Speaker 3: The psychics came in and did a follow up and said,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's still here. It's cowered in a corner.

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Speaker 3: It's you know, put itself in the corner of the closet.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's staying out of the way.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: Basically what happened was we made the house unhospitable for

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Speaker 3: you know, a negative energy. It was very positive, very

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Speaker 3: you know, full of light, and they just didn't want

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Speaker 3: to be in it. But they were still there. So

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Speaker 3: we really had to work on it and continue and

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Speaker 3: I remember doing rituals. There was one where we placed

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Speaker 3: lemons in four corners of the room, you know, and

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Speaker 3: several days later we come back and if they were black,

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Speaker 3: you know, to absorb the negativity. You know, lots of

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Speaker 3: things like that. But yeah, eventually we're able to remove them.

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Speaker 2: How do you know when you've gotten rid of it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's more activity for me going into that.

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Speaker 3: It's funny that that front bedroom where the man had

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Speaker 3: taken his life, and where in the closet of that

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Speaker 3: It was always freezing in there, and I'm in Tampa, Florida,

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Speaker 3: in that room. Very strange. And again, you know when

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Speaker 3: the backstory and it was like wow, but yeah, it

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Speaker 3: was it was more of activity. I remember the dogs

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Dogs are very perceptive of the spirit world, aren't they.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, Oh yes. And I had a painting someone

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Speaker 2: How important is it evoking the name Jesus or God

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Speaker 3: I think it's insanely effective and strong. I think anything

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Speaker 3: So and then obviously there's you know, a huge amount

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Speaker 3: I believe in them because I had, you know, that

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Speaker 3: long as you have that, yeah, I think you can

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