WEBVTT - Ep. 006 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:03.560 All right, everybody, this is the Meat Eater Podcast coming 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:09.360 to recorded from the Yano Esticado or Staked Planes of Texas. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:12.280 We're in a canyon called Ransom Canyon, which is a 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:15.319 sweet name, in a rental house that has a lot 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.320 of personal flourishes of the owner around it. We're down here. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:20.880 I don't I'm not. We're gonna We're not gonna talk 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.200 about why we're down here too much yet, because we're 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:26.880 gonna talk about that at another point. Um has to 0:00:26.920 --> 0:00:32.320 do the big tall bird. It tastes real good. Um. Instead, 0:00:32.960 --> 0:00:36.160 we're talking about right now. It's something that that I've 0:00:37.520 --> 0:00:40.760 been troubled by and puzzled over and anguished over my 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:44.239 entire life. And that is the purpose and functionality. And 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:49.640 also some practical business happened to do with hunting dogs. 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:55.279 And I've always maintained that dudes who hunt with dogs 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.360 like dogs more than hunting. And I have a couple 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:04.720 of dog a couple of dog experts sitting here today. 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:09.800 And also, uh, you're honestly tell us your own a dog? Us? Nope. 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.559 And also a man who has never even owned a dog, 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:15.840 how have you never owned a dog? We had one 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.119 growing up, so the family dogs. I didn't really I'm 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.160 counting that. And then when I got married, I got 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.520 a two for one package. But she was just like 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.320 a house dog. She was a family dog. What's the 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:26.880 mean to get two for one package? I got a 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.440 dog with the marriage? Where is it? Dog? Now? She 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.759 passed away from what old age? Alright? So ye, honest lie, 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:37.039 he's actually had several dogs. Um, they're all dead now. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:43.760 And we're also joined right now by Ronnie Bam Um, 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.360 who's the main dog guy that I know, Like, like, 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.279 most of what I know about dogs, besides just dogs 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:55.440 I've owned, has come from Ronnie and Ronnie Tell, I'm 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.480 gonna have you talked about Ronnie like you Ronnie judges 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.840 dogs and breeds dogs. Yeah, used to breed these really 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:06.040 violent dogs, at least not call them violent, but anyway, 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.920 mean spirited. I started out like not pit bowls. But 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.639 when I first moved to Michigan twenty six seven years ago, 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:16.280 I got a German short hair and it was a 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.200 nice dog and you know, a little hyper strong, little 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.840 little goofy. And I didn't know objection about training. I 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:26.560 I couldn't get the dog to sit, but I but 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.080 you wanted at four hunting. Yeah, And this dog was 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.200 a good grouse dog and a good woodcock dog, and 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:34.160 I took it to South Dakota. But other than that, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.320 I was just I got lucky. Just this dog just 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.120 like oh, out of the box. It just did everything 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.720 you mean sigon No, No, this is queeny long time. Yeah, 0:02:41.760 --> 0:02:45.200 the white and brown. So that wasn't the violent kind. No. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.600 And then when I was a pointer, yeah, it's a point. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.280 All my dogs have been pointing. You've always been into points, 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.760 Like I want a real quick hunt dogs occurring what 0:02:53.800 --> 0:02:57.160 three creditories? Let's say you got just just like like 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:03.280 laid us out. Basically you got pointers, retrievers, and trackers. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:06.280 Is that how you can do what we call them 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:09.200 pointers flushers? And then there'd be tracking dogs, which would 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:14.760 be lion dogs or coon dogs, dogs bare dogs. So pointers, 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.880 flushers and trackers it's fair to say, yeah, yeah, it's 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:19.800 fair all right. And you've always been into the pointers 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.000 and that's good because I know it adds into the 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:28.280 flushing break retrievers, retrievers. But as as far as the 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:32.080 field work, it's a flushing dog, yeah, yeah. He mainly 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.400 uses it for it to go pick up dead stuff. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.960 That's which and and we'll get to this. In my 0:03:37.040 --> 0:03:43.760 opinion that the dog can do is I would leave 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:47.680 it in its kennel so I couldn't find something, and 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:48.920 I would go home and get it and have it 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:54.280 find it. Yeah, yeah, all right. But anyways, so your dog, 0:03:54.480 --> 0:03:57.160 you're don you're doing like your your life through dogs. 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.240 I made one of those mistakes like I got like 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:02.080 I jumped in with both feet and I started reading 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:04.920 too many articles and I got a German wire haired pointer. 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.160 That dog hated me. It was a good hunter, but 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.600 it had no cop No, no, this is zon This 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:15.040 is the way before you met Zagon. His name was 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:19.200 Hasko is a black wire hair which is a little rare. 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.120 At that time, he had all the talent in the 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.360 world and I had no skill level to train the obedience. 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:28.479 Some dogs when a really high desire and really there's 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.560 a top shelf dog. It needed to be It needed 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.760 to be told who was alpha. It needed a boss, 0:04:35.320 --> 0:04:39.200 and that I can't keep my wife listened too bad 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:43.479 dog listen to me. This dog. I took this dog 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.000 to Canada when he was like four or five years 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:49.599 old to hunt sharp tailed grouse and I only shot 0:04:49.640 --> 0:04:53.440 grouse over my buddies. Griffin, my dog hunted like over 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.560 there and over there and shot retreat birds for other people. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.279 The dog hated me. That's when my that's funny because 0:05:00.360 --> 0:05:03.560 my hate of hunting dogs, my my kind of hate 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:07.919 of hunting dogs comes from people telling me throughout my life. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.400 This is going back to high school. People be like, oh, 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.560 I got this great hunting dog. We're gonna take my 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.520 great hunting dog out and go hunt. And you open 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:18.480 the door or open the back of the truck, and 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.600 that's some of a bitch takes off and he's like, yeah, sure, 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.640 I can't contest that he's not a great honting dog 0:05:24.720 --> 0:05:26.840 who knows what he's doing wherever he is. He might 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.480 be hunting up a storm, but it's not happening around me, 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.240 right right. And then you spend your whole time trying 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.040 to get the dog back in the truck and hollering 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:37.279 at it and blowing a whistle, and it's it's aggravating you. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:38.800 You were with me with some of the dogs I 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.280 have remember something. Yeah, your dogs now are different, right right? 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.240 But then you got into the mean ones. That was 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:48.120 the German wire hair and and those dogs are meant 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:51.600 for killing. They're very good at it. They would kill 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.160 a raccoon. See in Germany, when they started the versatile breeds, 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:59.279 the wire hair was put together. It was a poodle Pointer, 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.760 which is a poodle, but it's a another wire haired dog, 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.039 Stickle her short hair, and um, I can't remember the 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:09.760 other breed. But anyway, there was like four basic breeds 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.320 put in there. And they wanted a dog that would 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.960 not only you know, point a bird. They wanted to 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.160 track blood. And because everything was privately owned all the 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:23.040 biggest states in Europe, only the wealthy hunted back in 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.440 the eighty and they wanted the dog to kill a 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.960 poor guy if they caught him hunting on their land. No, no, 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.040 the dogs like people, they do but what they were 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:34.440 expected to do, and they still do. And I don't 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:37.200 want to say a secret society dog club and I 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:41.760 won't mention it, but they this breed a dog. If 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.320 you have one that still registered in Berlin, it has 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.279 to kill before it's allowed to breed a full grown raccoon. 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:52.360 Where do they get the raccoons by itself? No help 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.479 for the owner, No no, no, no, I mean no no. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.960 The dogs they trap a raccoon and I have a 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:03.480 hard trap. This raccoon's in Europe. No, No, but there's 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:09.160 there's uh, there's a there's a similar The point is 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:16.400 here we talk here. Yeah, it's like I think it's 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.440 a guinea pig. They have to killing guinea pig. No. No, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:22.800 what they've done is they've used a raccoon here because 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.720 that's what we have here. They but the point was 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.440 that dog was expected to get rid of vermin out 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.400 on these estates. Tunny if they come across the skunk, 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.480 a polecat, whatever they call me, anything that's gonna eat 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:38.680 birds exactly, anything that they basically made this like sterile 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.160 environment where game birds and game animals, rabbits and game 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.760 animals would flourish. By that dog, it might have done it. 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:48.160 I mean they've been doubly running down the woods, going 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.680 through looking for grouse and stuff, and all of a sudden, wham, 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:53.600 there's a raccoon that was like nested up by a 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.440 log or a skunk. One bite on the back of 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:01.360 the neck, and that was desirable. That's what the Germans wanted. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.200 Doesn't work so good. When you come to America, you 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.240 go to a farmer, knock on his door and it 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:08.200 takes two of his house or his yard cats out 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.040 of his bar and it was his best mousing cat. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:15.200 So but anyway, so I had to desire to him 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:20.160 headstrong question about the raccoons. That's some hardcore ship because 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:26.680 Florida pig hunting, we saw a peg of dogs fighting raccoon. Well, 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:31.360 that that was a pussy dog. These were one of 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:36.400 those dogs get gouged bad by a pig. But still 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:40.040 I'm saying, that's amazing that they killed. But what I'm 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:42.240 saying is to remember there's a lot of German wire 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.959 hares in this country. There's different registrates with him. If 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.120 you stay to this one format, it's called vd D 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.160 G n A, And if you stay that format, your 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.000 dog has to pass certain performance tests before you're allowed 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.200 to breed the dog, and the dog has to be 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:58.719 in front of a breed warden to make sure it's 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.880 the write height, the right size of teeth. If the 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.160 coat's not right, they'll only let you bring it to 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:07.400 a coat that's gonna compliment it. It's it's how do 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.559 I say, It's like a lot of whiskey whiskey tube mentality, 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:14.320 and that's the way there. And those dogs that I 0:09:14.360 --> 0:09:19.720 thought I wanted and I stuck with for fifteen eighteen years. Um, 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.120 it wasn't more than I could handle, but it was 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:24.920 like a penis extension dog. No, it wasn't my Corvette. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.080 It wasn't a Corvette dog or nothing like that, but 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.040 it was I thought it would be cool to have 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.480 a dog that could do all that. But you didn't 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:36.120 realize how nasty Dick could get sometimes. Yeah, like that's 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.760 what it really meant. Yeah, like my buddies dog come 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:41.160 off the tailgate. I'm putting a collar on my dog. 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:44.280 He did the most dogs sniff aster or at least 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.840 tiptoe and look at each other before they fight. This 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:52.000 dog just jumped off the tailgate. When I was like, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:56.760 you're so embarrassed, You're like so anyway, So that that's yeah, 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.120 that's where I That was my predominant breed for the 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.800 center of my dog year. And at that time, you 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:07.800 were involved with the same organization, right, the same organization. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:10.679 It's called NAVDA North American Versal Hunting Dog Association. And 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.560 what we have we haven't really even introduced at our 0:10:13.640 --> 0:10:15.520 net yet, but just real quick, what's the organization you're 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:23.320 involved in? American Counnel Club a k C as a judge. 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:25.400 As a judge is what I'm associated with it. But 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.600 that's what you I mean, you sort of measure dogs 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:31.920 by that standard, by the hot test standard. Yes, that 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.400 there's also field trials have you heard of? I mean, 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:38.679 are you aware of North American Dog Association with a 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.480 lot of guys that have pointers too, So so NAVDA. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.760 You're involved in NAVDA now, but you were involved in 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.120 NAVIT when you had wire hairs, right even before I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.160 became a judge form I was involved with them and 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.640 you know, try to learn and clean everything I could 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:55.160 from the other trainers and the other breeders and everything. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.920 But um and that, like all the dogs that you're 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:03.000 talking that you've talked about Queen, Yeah, was what queens? 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.640 A short hair then a German wire hair hasko in 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.000 Sigon and and now the new kind of dogs you're 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:10.800 tangled up with have all fallen under. Versatile hunting dog 0:11:11.080 --> 0:11:14.079 versatil hunting dog is a dog that, if you look 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:16.320 it up in a dictionary, it's a dog that's gonna 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.200 hunt and point and do work before and after the 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:24.360 shot on landing on water. That's basically the description of it. 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.200 So what we what we want is a dog that 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:34.240 will basically performing any terrain. And if water is the terrain, 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:39.520 water is a terrain. What's that? All trained dog? I 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.040 didn't get that so real quick, rattle off a handful 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:46.400 of species, it would be a T D S and then, um, 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.760 what kind of dog you're messing around with? Now? Well? 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.920 The most common ones everybody knows of German short hairs, 0:11:52.400 --> 0:11:58.280 English pointers, Brittany's English setters, uh, Poodle pointers, vislas, a 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:01.560 lot of fiashless getting real popular. Monster Landers, which is 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:06.080 a like a setter looking dog from Germany. There's I 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.959 think twenty two of them now in our registry. And 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.679 naptists I can't think of every is a wimber whiner 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:13.240 in there, wine writers in there. Also. This gal used 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.959 to live down the road. Do you remember the Johnson 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.040 family sort of lived across Middle Lake from my sister. Yeah, 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:23.120 they had a dog that they named Nipper, a winmer 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.680 whiner named Nipper, but it would always bite people, and 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.480 they got to think that the reason that bit people 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.520 because his dog's name was Nipper and he was just 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.880 fulfilling his name. And then they changed his name to Bowser. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.360 Did it help. I can't remember, but I was a 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.600 personal hunting dog or not. No, it's there. There they 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.880 are in the they are in the Basically all the 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:49.800 European breeds that point are considered versatile hunting dogs. They're not. 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.400 Over the years, a lot of them become specialist dogs. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.720 So they like, like an English center is going to 0:12:56.840 --> 0:12:59.480 pretty much be your predominant Grousewood's dog up in the north. 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.640 A pointer we're in Texas, right, and a pointer is 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:05.880 you going to be a predominant bird down here in 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.439 Texas for quail? And because it's a shorter coded dog 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:12.480 is not gonna get hot you know, it's uh, that 0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.559 would be pronounced. They are still in di versatile category, 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:19.960 but for generations they've been bred as a specialist. So 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:22.520 to take one and transition it into a water dog 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:28.600 is a little more difficult than it is. But to 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.560 transition any versatile dog into a water dog, you just 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.160 take their field desire and push it into the water. 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:37.719 They find that the water has the animals in it, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.640 just like the field has the animals, and they're just 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.480 excited as hell to go out into a Martian look 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.480 for a duck. But they're probably not equipped to stay warm. No, 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.400 that's a fault with them because very few of them 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.120 have a really good dual coat that will protect them 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:53.280 in cold, cold seal. Yeah, yeah, they'll come out of 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:59.320 the water. Look, I don't need at all. Yeah, well 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.960 we're gonna tell no. But I got one last thing 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:04.199 for you though, the dogs you're into now, which is 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:07.840 a reasonable dog, right, it's kind of dog. Does faith 0:14:07.880 --> 0:14:10.439 Hill still have one? Yes, they have like three or 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.840 four of them. Yeah. I don't lust after women besides 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:17.120 my wife, but that is don't. But um, I go. 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.640 I go to Las Vegas every year for this thing, 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:22.640 and for the last like two years in a row, 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:26.800 and all the elevators there's an ad for a faith 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:31.040 Hill concert m and it's just such a it's like 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.960 such an intoxicating ad campaign. I have no no desire. 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:36.920 What's over to go senior in concert. But when I'm 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.600 standing in the elevator, which is all you do in 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.040 Las Vegas, right up down the elevator, Um, she's always 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:44.440 advertising there and I'm always looking at her, thinking about 0:14:44.480 --> 0:14:46.960 your dog, because he told me that she has one. Yeah, 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.320 she has several of her. I think it's Tim's more 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.360 than hers. But something is that why you sell your 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.520 dogs so fast, like before they even hit the ground 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:57.440 out of the hardly anybody knows they have them. Yeah, 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.240 I mean the Brocco people have them. But no, but 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:02.760 so Ronnie's now'll tangled up with a dog called a 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:07.920 Italian brocco, Brocco Italiana, Brocco Italiano depends on how you 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.920 want to say it. And it's a very hondy looking dog. 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.240 It's a very when people see it. When I'm in Virginia, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.920 there's a lot of bear hunters in Virginia, like more 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.800 bear hunter there's more bar in Virginia than any place 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:26.560 I've ever been. And people because I was at Prince 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:30.640 Wales Island, your and people will come up to my 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.640 external dog box and they'll be standing by my tailgate. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.040 What kind of bear dog is that? God, I've never 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:42.560 seen one orange before. And I just say Italian pointer 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:46.720 because they're like rocco what I leave that out. But 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.160 it's just a it's a versatile dog, but it was 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.200 really never bred for the versatility in Italy. It was 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:55.880 pretty much an upland bird. But then again, so we're 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:58.440 most English pointers and that's a dog you could actually 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.840 bring into your house without killing your kids. It yeah, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:03.720 and it won't. It doesn't kill animals, it doesn't. You know, 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.640 it doesn't have that fur drive because the Italians over 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.600 all these centuries just wanted to hit birds with them, 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:14.880 so they use these dogs. I understand. I've never seen it, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.840 never been in Italy, but there's supposed to be frescoes 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.040 from the fourteenth century with very very close pictures that 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:26.200 resemble the Broco, which was either the I can't remember 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:28.960 the other Spanish pointer, but all the same thing, very 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:32.400 very long years, a nose like Jimmy Duranny on it, 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.160 and and so there's like they've been pretty much breeding 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:42.320 true to type for what's fourteens from six years. And 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.000 the dog is very docile. It's like Ed's Labs. I mean, 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.760 I told that, you know, let watch my dogs. Well, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:52.480 what are they gonna do? He says, you're right, He says, well, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:55.120 if you're out there having a smoke, just keep it up. Yeah, 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.080 they just come up. And I finally have this dog 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.240 that's a pointing dog that acts like that Labs. They're like, 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.840 you know, they just come up and now they'll but 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:07.159 they would run out of the driveway, like right now 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.399 if I let my dogs out, they be not gone fire, 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.520 but they just be gone at this hundred or two 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.600 hundred yard range and I'd have to be screaming and 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.639 panicking and everything. Yeah, yeah, there met the last the 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.359 last lab. You know. Danny had that dog for a while, 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.080 like my brother Danny had a duck hunt dog. Recently 0:17:24.160 --> 0:17:27.439 he went down to an adoption like a dog. I 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:32.000 don't know when all this like bringing human terms came. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.840 The dogs used to go to the pound and get 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:37.560 a dog. Now you're like, I rescued the dog. It's like, 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:40.160 I don't know what about, but people have been rescuing 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:41.960 dogs all as long as people are going to the 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.159 pound and picking up a dog. So he went to 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:49.440 a rescue place, you know, and the dog he picked 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.360 out his cry. His criteria for picking out a dog 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.399 is it's just a building. It's a it specializes in labs. 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.600 It's a pound for labs. And he went in there 0:17:58.920 --> 0:18:01.879 and every lab and every lab rescue, yea lab rescue. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.360 He went in there and except one stood up when 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.119 he walked in, and he's like, I'll take the one 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:15.000 that laid that didn't get up. It was a great dog. 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.479 It was a great dog he died justly. Yeah, he 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.119 was cool about when it died. But a buddy of 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.640 his was saying how he was real depressed man when 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:27.800 his dog died. Tig like tick Welder. Yeah, Um, they're 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:32.800 like your kids, Yeah, he thought so. All right, we'll 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:35.479 be right back to talk a lot more about labs 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.800 and other hunting dogs. Speaking of labs, I wanna tell 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:41.720 one other lab story before we talked to that about 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:43.600 labs for it, just to get the break down. And last, 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:48.240 because well, two things. The only dog I ever really liked. 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.000 We had many, many dogs, many would just vanish. Had 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.280 that one Lab that was there. Friend. Man. We had dogs. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:59.040 We had Mike, Kayla, Snoopy, and we had all dogs. 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.160 I didn't even know what all dogs. But they would 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:02.640 never laugh. My dad would just get rid of him. 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.240 One time we were this is awful to a man. 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:09.760 He's dead, so no one's continued. Probably have him rescued. Yeah, 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:14.200 he had him rescued like from life. But we're going 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.720 down the road one day and we were going rabbit hunting. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.920 I was a kid. We're going rabbit hunting, and lo 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.520 and behold, there's a beagle on the side of the 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.800 road that dog became our dog. I mean it was 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:31.840 like what timing was like. He took that dog and 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:33.920 that dog was Bobo was his name, and that dog 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.080 became our dog just as simple as opening the door 0:19:37.080 --> 0:19:39.159 of the truck and the dog called the dog in 0:19:39.280 --> 0:19:43.720 the truck probably stole someone's dog, and the Bobo lived 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:46.159 with this for a long time because my dad had 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.600 a good beagle, no no collar, no tag. I don't 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:53.880 even remember someone. He's like, we're going to rabbit hunt. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:57.040 Apparently here's you know, here's this dog. So we had 0:19:57.080 --> 0:19:59.040 that dog. We had that dog for a while, Bobo, 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.320 because it reminded my add of a good He used 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:04.520 to have a lot of cocktails in Illinois, Illinois. But 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.360 the one lapster I want to tell us is funny telling. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:07.840 I want to tell just because Ronnie's here is me 0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:09.800 and Ronnie went. I don't know how it happened. We 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:11.760 went on a guided That was the first guy that 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.880 ever went in my entire life. When I go hunt 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.240 for a couple of days in which I got one 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.439 snow goose, I think, and I got none. And at 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.240 a point the guide, if you call him that, you 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:24.560 know we're out there at two in the morning, because 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.400 you have set out like thousands of decoys. At one 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:30.639 point the guide goes to take he goes to relieve himself. 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:33.640 He goes to take a growler, and he goes just 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:37.639 like right behind us, you know what I mean, like 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:42.520 you'd smell it behind us the trees. The trees were 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:49.320 only another right behind us. And we're in layout blinds. Okay, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:52.680 and so you just stuck in a layout blind and 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.359 as their comments, here's his lab back there. I know 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.480 where this is going, right, there's this laugh back there 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.679 to oilet paper hanging out of his mouth, you know, 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.680 cleaning up, and and you already stuck in these bloods 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.320 and in the lab all morning is going up and 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.920 down the line of guys trying to kiss and lick 0:21:11.960 --> 0:21:15.160 everyone's face because he's just friendly. And he's been doing 0:21:15.200 --> 0:21:18.200 that all morning. But now we know what he was doing. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:24.520 He's like if a human being eight dogshit. And it 0:21:24.600 --> 0:21:25.920 came up to you and said, give me give me 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.520 a kiss. No, no no, no, no no, just give me kiss, 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:29.520 just give me kiss. Well I just it was, there's 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.280 nothing I ate it, Just give me kiss all morning. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:41.240 And it didn't. So I he loved labradors. Yeah, And 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.520 I do like I do too. I like him too, 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:49.040 but uh ed Arnett, I don't add from t RCP 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:55.600 Theater Roosevelt Conservation Partnership. We met like at at things events, 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:01.159 formally formal. Informal events, you go to a lot of 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:02.960 hunting bets and meet a lot of guys don't do 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:06.600 a lot of hunting. It's possible, you know, But um 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:08.320 it ed and I hit it off. This the first 0:22:08.320 --> 0:22:10.679 time we actually gotten there to hunt. But I know 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:14.040 that you just judged by your trailer alone, your dog man. 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:17.840 You got like a polished dog trailer. Have you always 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:21.280