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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, this is the Meat Eater Podcast coming

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Speaker 1: to recorded from the Yano Esticado or Staked Planes of Texas.

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Speaker 1: We're in a canyon called Ransom Canyon, which is a

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Speaker 1: sweet name, in a rental house that has a lot

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Speaker 1: of personal flourishes of the owner around it. We're down here.

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Speaker 1: I don't I'm not. We're gonna We're not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about why we're down here too much yet, because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna talk about that at another point. Um has to

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Speaker 1: do the big tall bird. It tastes real good. Um. Instead,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about right now. It's something that that I've

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Speaker 1: been troubled by and puzzled over and anguished over my

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Speaker 1: entire life. And that is the purpose and functionality. And

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Speaker 1: also some practical business happened to do with hunting dogs.

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Speaker 1: And I've always maintained that dudes who hunt with dogs

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Speaker 1: like dogs more than hunting. And I have a couple

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Speaker 1: of dog a couple of dog experts sitting here today.

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Speaker 1: And also, uh, you're honestly tell us your own a dog? Us? Nope.

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Speaker 1: And also a man who has never even owned a dog,

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Speaker 1: how have you never owned a dog? We had one

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Speaker 1: growing up, so the family dogs. I didn't really I'm

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Speaker 1: counting that. And then when I got married, I got

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Speaker 1: a two for one package. But she was just like

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Speaker 1: a house dog. She was a family dog. What's the

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Speaker 1: mean to get two for one package? I got a

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Speaker 1: dog with the marriage? Where is it? Dog? Now? She

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Speaker 1: passed away from what old age? Alright? So ye, honest lie,

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Speaker 1: he's actually had several dogs. Um, they're all dead now.

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Speaker 1: And we're also joined right now by Ronnie Bam Um,

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Speaker 1: who's the main dog guy that I know, Like, like,

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Speaker 1: most of what I know about dogs, besides just dogs

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Speaker 1: I've owned, has come from Ronnie and Ronnie Tell, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna have you talked about Ronnie like you Ronnie judges

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Speaker 1: dogs and breeds dogs. Yeah, used to breed these really

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Speaker 1: violent dogs, at least not call them violent, but anyway,

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Speaker 1: mean spirited. I started out like not pit bowls. But

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Speaker 1: when I first moved to Michigan twenty six seven years ago,

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Speaker 1: I got a German short hair and it was a

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Speaker 1: nice dog and you know, a little hyper strong, little

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Speaker 1: little goofy. And I didn't know objection about training. I

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Speaker 1: I couldn't get the dog to sit, but I but

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Speaker 1: you wanted at four hunting. Yeah, And this dog was

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Speaker 1: a good grouse dog and a good woodcock dog, and

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Speaker 1: I took it to South Dakota. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: I was just I got lucky. Just this dog just

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Speaker 1: like oh, out of the box. It just did everything

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Speaker 1: you mean sigon No, No, this is queeny long time. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the white and brown. So that wasn't the violent kind. No.

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Speaker 1: And then when I was a pointer, yeah, it's a point.

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Speaker 1: All my dogs have been pointing. You've always been into points,

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Speaker 1: Like I want a real quick hunt dogs occurring what

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Speaker 1: three creditories? Let's say you got just just like like

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Speaker 1: laid us out. Basically you got pointers, retrievers, and trackers.

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Speaker 1: Is that how you can do what we call them

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Speaker 1: pointers flushers? And then there'd be tracking dogs, which would

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Speaker 1: be lion dogs or coon dogs, dogs bare dogs. So pointers,

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Speaker 1: flushers and trackers it's fair to say, yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: fair all right. And you've always been into the pointers

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Speaker 1: and that's good because I know it adds into the

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Speaker 1: flushing break retrievers, retrievers. But as as far as the

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Speaker 1: uses it for it to go pick up dead stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's which and and we'll get to this. In my

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Speaker 1: it in its kennel so I couldn't find something, and

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Speaker 1: find it. Yeah, yeah, all right. But anyways, so your dog,

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Speaker 1: you're don you're doing like your your life through dogs.

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Speaker 1: I made one of those mistakes like I got like

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Speaker 1: I jumped in with both feet and I started reading

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Speaker 1: too many articles and I got a German wire haired pointer.

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Speaker 1: That dog hated me. It was a good hunter, but

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Speaker 1: it had no cop No, no, this is zon This

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Speaker 1: is the way before you met Zagon. His name was

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Speaker 1: Hasko is a black wire hair which is a little rare.

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Speaker 1: At that time, he had all the talent in the

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Speaker 1: The dog hated me. That's when my that's funny because

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Speaker 1: my hate of hunting dogs, my my kind of hate

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Speaker 1: This is going back to high school. People be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I got this great hunting dog. We're gonna take my

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Speaker 1: I can't contest that he's not a great honting dog

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Speaker 1: who knows what he's doing wherever he is. He might

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Speaker 1: right right. And then you spend your whole time trying

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Speaker 1: at it and blowing a whistle, and it's it's aggravating you.

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Speaker 1: You were with me with some of the dogs I

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Speaker 1: have remember something. Yeah, your dogs now are different, right right?

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Speaker 1: But then you got into the mean ones. That was

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Speaker 1: the German wire hair and and those dogs are meant

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Speaker 1: for killing. They're very good at it. They would kill

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Speaker 1: a raccoon. See in Germany, when they started the versatile breeds,

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Speaker 1: the wire hair was put together. It was a poodle Pointer,

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Speaker 1: Stickle her short hair, and um, I can't remember the

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Speaker 1: other breed. But anyway, there was like four basic breeds

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Speaker 1: not only you know, point a bird. They wanted to

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Speaker 1: track blood. And because everything was privately owned all the

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Speaker 1: biggest states in Europe, only the wealthy hunted back in

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Speaker 1: poor guy if they caught him hunting on their land. No, no,

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Speaker 1: the dogs like people, they do but what they were

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Speaker 1: won't mention it, but they this breed a dog. If

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Speaker 1: you have one that still registered in Berlin, it has

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Speaker 1: to kill before it's allowed to breed a full grown raccoon.

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Speaker 1: Where do they get the raccoons by itself? No help

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Speaker 1: The dogs they trap a raccoon and I have a

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Speaker 1: what they've done is they've used a raccoon here because

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Speaker 1: a polecat, whatever they call me, anything that's gonna eat

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Speaker 1: I mean they've been doubly running down the woods, going

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Speaker 1: headstrong question about the raccoons. That's some hardcore ship because

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Speaker 1: Florida pig hunting, we saw a peg of dogs fighting raccoon. Well,

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Speaker 1: those dogs get gouged bad by a pig. But still

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, that's amazing that they killed. But what I'm

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Speaker 1: dog has to pass certain performance tests before you're allowed

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Speaker 1: a coat that's gonna compliment it. It's it's how do

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Speaker 1: I say, It's like a lot of whiskey whiskey tube mentality,

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Speaker 1: and that's the way there. And those dogs that I

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Speaker 1: like a penis extension dog. No, it wasn't my Corvette.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a Corvette dog or nothing like that, but

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Speaker 1: what it really meant. Yeah, like my buddies dog come

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Speaker 1: He did the most dogs sniff aster or at least

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Speaker 1: It's called NAVDA North American Versal Hunting Dog Association. And

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Speaker 1: what we have we haven't really even introduced at our

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Speaker 1: As a judge is what I'm associated with it. But

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Speaker 1: by that standard, by the hot test standard. Yes, that

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Speaker 1: there's also field trials have you heard of? I mean,

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Speaker 1: are you aware of North American Dog Association with a

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Speaker 1: lot of guys that have pointers too, So so NAVDA.

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Speaker 1: You're involved in NAVDA now, but you were involved in

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Speaker 1: NAVIT when you had wire hairs, right even before I

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Speaker 1: from the other trainers and the other breeders and everything.

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Speaker 1: But um and that, like all the dogs that you're

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Speaker 1: A short hair then a German wire hair hasko in

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Speaker 1: versatil hunting dog is a dog that, if you look

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Speaker 1: it up in a dictionary, it's a dog that's gonna

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Speaker 1: water is a terrain. What's that? All trained dog? I

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Speaker 1: what kind of dog you're messing around with? Now? Well?

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Speaker 1: out there and jump shoot those. I take a fishing

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00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: pole and throw a big gas, you know, snagging hook

424
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: all the ducks and if you didn't kill them on land.

425
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: So you do that for a while and you think, boy,

426
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,719
Speaker 1: this seems silly. And then I got to Oregon and

427
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: I had I went hunting with a guy and he

428
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 1: had chesapeaks, and I really was impressed with with how

429
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: well behaved the dog was and and how great it

430
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 1: was to have a dog going out and getting the

431
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 1: birds and everything. So we had an non opening weekend

432
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: of this was back in the or something. And so

433
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: I go hunting after that opening weekend and I put

434
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 1: a stock and some mallards and a reservoir in Oregon,

435
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: and I doubled on green heads and it was great,

436
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: and they all fall out in the lake and I'm like,

437
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:07,919
Speaker 1: all right now, how the hell am I gonna go

438
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 1: get them there out in the lake? So I stripped

439
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: down naked, and I swam out and got those two mallards,

440
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm buying a freaking dog after this.

441
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: That's a true story, And I started looking at I

442
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: went and got a lab that winner. I totally understand it, man,

443
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: because the times I've hunted, like, we used to jump

444
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: shoot a lot of ponds in Michigan, And in Michigan

445
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: you have a lot of cat tails around duck ponds,

446
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 1: you know, and they probably jump shooting ducks is like

447
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: over decoys are coming toward you, and they usually land

448
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 1: closer than where they were when you hit them. There're

449
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: any goals, right, jump shooting going away? Yeah, they're already

450
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 1: far away, and then they're gonna be far other way

451
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: by the time they land, and you've got these seas

452
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: of cat tails and you're like, bamn, that thing starts

453
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,680
Speaker 1: going down and it goes down and you just get

454
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: like a sink and feeling like I will never ever

455
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,160
Speaker 1: find it. You can you look and look and look.

456
00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: Then you go out there with the dog, and that's

457
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,439
Speaker 1: something that just runs over and like six his head

458
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 1: underwater and pulls it out. That made me a believer.

459
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 1: It is not like if if they made a dog,

460
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: you can put in a thing in your pocket, just

461
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: get it out when you needed it and like put

462
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,680
Speaker 1: water on it, it turns into a dog. Is a

463
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,360
Speaker 1: good retrievers, No, they're not. Well. I don't know how

464
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: Ronnie feels about this, but with it, I can remember

465
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: a handful of retrieves, maybe not a handful of maybe

466
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: two or three handfuls, but you remember the special one.

467
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: And to that, to that point, I dropped a duck

468
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: way back and in a mars and I sent one

469
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: of my females. She's gone now, but I sent her

470
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: and she went and she came back. She hunted short

471
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: and I gave her back and she went. And you

472
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: can't handle a dog on a blind retrieve in that stuff.

473
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,959
Speaker 1: I mean, it was really thick and nasty. So I

474
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: got her over the river because she didn't mark this bird.

475
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: I just gave her a hard back and I let

476
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: her go, and about ten minutes later she came back

477
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: with that damn duly So so that's why I got it.

478
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: That's how I got into it. And I didn't want

479
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 1: to check speak for no particular reason. I just liked

480
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: labs a German wire hair. Personality issues, So you mainly

481
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: expect you mainly expect your dog to find down the critters. No,

482
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: I expect my dog to mark and go get it

483
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: and then find cripples as needed, and if I need

484
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: to handle them to a blind on a blind retrieve,

485
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 1: but mostly after the shot has been taken. That's correct.

486
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: In a perfect world. You know, you want a dog

487
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: that's in your blind like Sage was today when we

488
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: were hunting cranes. I took the dog today because we

489
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: had good enough cover to hide it. And he sat

490
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: there nice and calm while those birds came in and

491
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: and he didn't see a couple of them, but you know,

492
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: so we just lined him up and you know, and

493
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,680
Speaker 1: send him out. But he he marked a few of them,

494
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: and and then we walked over and picked up a couple.

495
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: So but you know, you want a dog for a retriever.

496
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: You want to dog that sits there, you know, nice

497
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: and quiet, obedient, doesn't doesn't you know, break and run

498
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: out when the geese are coming in or when you

499
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: pull up the shotgun. What I'm sitting there? So they

500
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,959
Speaker 1: actually mark the bird when it falls. Have you always

501
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 1: been into retrievers? Yeah, that's the only one, more kind

502
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: of retrievers than than a lap Yeah. So um, if

503
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 1: you go the you know, if you go by if

504
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: a k C rules, if you will, the retriever breeds

505
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: are Labradors, Golden Retrievers, chess Peak, Bay retrievers. And then

506
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: for the retriever hunting tests, which I judge for and

507
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: you judge after my judge a k C ron you

508
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: judge for Navada, And I have a question for you

509
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: about that there is an a k C equivalent for

510
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 1: pointing dogs. Correct. Yeah, a k C has uh several tests,

511
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that we we transition right into. Yeah, you just

512
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: don't blend the water in with the test day, right, Yeah,

513
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: but they also have an a k C water tests

514
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: like a little just to show that your dog can

515
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: go do water retrieves. So a case covers a real

516
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 1: lot of a big gamut. So the hunting test program

517
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: started with um NARA, the North American Hunting Retriever Association,

518
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: and then NAPPED as the equivalent. So you know, this

519
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 1: was you know, some old field trailer guys and duck

520
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: hunters that kind of got together and said, you know,

521
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: we just want to go out and test these hunting

522
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: skills of these dogs. So they created this North American

523
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: Hunting Retriever Association. And how did you become a judge

524
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: doing that? Well, I just got into dogs exactly. My

525
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: first I got my first dog, after I did my

526
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: famous swim, after my two mallards. UM got this dog,

527
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: and I started reading books, started with Richard Richard Walters

528
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Water Dogs. That book is everywhere Man. We had that

529
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: dog because of absolutely and I'll say we had We

530
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: wound up with a great lab because we lived by

531
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: a Coast Guard station and a woman who was in

532
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: the Coast Guard was getting restationed somewhere. She couldn't bring

533
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: her dog. She put her yeah, put an add the

534
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: paper interviewed. A bunch of people came out to our house.

535
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: We had kids, We like the hunt. We lived in

536
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: a lake. She gave us the dog, and that dog

537
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: we had that dog long long time, turned into I

538
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: mean just as far as obedience. The only problem she

539
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: was white, so it's hard to hide her in the

540
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: duck with you're always putting. We guys had those army

541
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: wool army blankets, always trying to lay around there, you know.

542
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: But she would spot birds in the air that you

543
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: didn't see and had a noise you'd make in the

544
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: back of her throat. And when she made that noise,

545
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: there was a burden. She was like, yeah, it was

546
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: just like there's a duck. And she would find ducks

547
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: that you'd find ducks you didn't shoot. You'd go out

548
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: the second morning season waiting for to get light out,

549
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: and you look and she'd be staying there with a

550
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: duck in her mouth and duck be looking around like

551
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: she went and found some duck that wasn't even dead

552
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: light out. She's standing there with it. She was a

553
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: great dog. She wound up just the one you hunted

554
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: like the most with. That's the old we ever had

555
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: legitim hunt with. Two things happened at one time. We're

556
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: on one of those floating land lakes, you know how

557
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: it has a false bot, and we knocked some geese

558
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: down in the early season in Michigan, and there's a

559
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: wounded goose very much alive it on some floating land,

560
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: and she swam out and climbed up on the floating land.

561
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: But her four legs and that goose beat the ship

562
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: out of her. Man and she would never touch another

563
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: goose again after that. The second bad thing to have there,

564
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: she got hit by a van. We're out working on

565
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: our BMX bikes and I don't want to say who

566
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: did it, but a guy down the road hit her

567
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: in a blue van carpet van and um busted her

568
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: all up. We got a lot more years out of her.

569
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: Eventually she got where she couldn't even stand up. And

570
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: then a friend of ours been Uh, took her out

571
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: in Chippewa National Forest in the up and we had

572
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: to dig a hole and shoot the dog down in

573
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: the hole and bury the hole. Is just terrible and

574
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: I've never had another dogs since then. You know. Back

575
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: to how I got into kc UM judging, So I

576
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: ran the hunt tests after when my dog became of

577
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: age and and I wanted to do the hunt test.

578
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 1: Hand trials are very as a handler. Hunt tests are

579
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: very different than the field trawlers, and the reason they

580
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: put those programs together was to test dog hunting abilities

581
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: and like like keep I want at the end of this,

582
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: I want to explay like in you too. I don't

583
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: want to forget to ask you this. Do you think

584
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: that a test can you test the dog in a

585
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: way that actually demonstrates how that dog will perform in

586
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: the field. Just keep in the back of your head.

587
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: Sure you don't need to do it now. Remember well,

588
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: I was really into this new this new dog I got,

589
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: and I trained her almost every day. Didn't and you

590
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: need to when they're really young, traded with it towards

591
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: the test exact Well, yeah, I kind of got into

592
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: the test. But you know everybody starts off saying I

593
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: just want to get hunting dog and go and test sometime.

594
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: And you see a dog before me, like, I gotta

595
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: have that, exactly, I gotta have it. I have a

596
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: I have a Nova, But I really want to cast

597
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, no, no, no, I'd pick your favorite

598
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Beater car. But you want you want the Maserati when

599
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: you see him run and then so the field trials

600
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: is different than the hunting tests. The hunting test you

601
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: you were judged against a standard. You set up a

602
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: test and if the dogs pass that, the field h

603
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: hunting tests again under different field scenarios. In a field trial,

604
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: they it's a winner take all, so first, second, first, second,

605
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: third placement. And some of these field trial dogs, now,

606
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: I mean they'll they'll mark readily out to four hundred yards.

607
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: That's not a realistic hunting situation. Dogs, and look at

608
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: where it is if you can see it. But if

609
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: you see it, but he can be handled to four yards,

610
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: probably couldn't he right. But you know, if you were

611
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: in a situation where you were high enough and the

612
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: dog actually could see it, there are there are many

613
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: dogs that could could actually run out market if they

614
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: have been trained to deal with the train, the wind,

615
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: all these factors that play in mental memory. And that's

616
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: what labs have. Labs have that marking memory. Like most

617
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 1: pointing dogs do not have that marking memory. A lab

618
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: will like you can and you guys train it pull

619
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: these different retreats. Well, your average dog are gonna go

620
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: get that last thing you threw, and you go, no,

621
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna go get the second thing I threw. You

622
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: remember that they can all I can talk to I

623
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: mean I can get define mark because mark retree is

624
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: when the dog actually sees the bird or is supposed

625
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: to see it, and a blind retrieve is when they

626
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: don't see the fall and you give them hands that

627
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: you send them on a I send it on you.

628
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: He has no idea exactly, so it's a teamwork, so

629
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: lost birth. But he might go out and find it.

630
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: That's well that somebody's got still roughly guided. Yeah, well,

631
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: you know, an ethical hunter will watch those birds until

632
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: they're completely out of sight. You've seen many an approximation

633
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: of where it is, and he'll look around exactly. And

634
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: if I don't think I could handle him to a bird,

635
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't send my dogs on very many blinds quite frankly,

636
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: and hunting situations yourself to go over there and get

637
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: the dog on the bird and make sure make sure

638
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: you find it in the area fall. If it's practical

639
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: to send him, I've I've sent him on several, but

640
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: you know, more often than not, you're walking him out

641
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: there to to find a cripple, going out to the

642
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: cranze the day the dog is new though, yeah he

643
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: saw him and also he saw him or let me

644
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: just fit it real quick the one that the one

645
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: that Ronnie you shot today and landed on the bank.

646
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: He didn't see it, but I lined him up and

647
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: I just lined him and he and he could see

648
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: it right there. So then when he saw it, I

649
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: locked him and I said, but even if he couldn't

650
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: have saw it, Ed lined him up, and he learns

651
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: from that key of Ed's hand, that's right. You put

652
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: your hand over the head dog his head, and that

653
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: dog's gonna finds he's supposed to look in that direction

654
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 1: and pay attention. He saw the bird land there. Now,

655
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: had he not seen it, I would have said back,

656
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: and then when he veers off course you hit him

657
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: with a sinistle. We give him to handle back. So

658
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: this is this quick question, and I got some more,

659
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 1: but just try to answer as quickly as possible, because

660
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: this is something I think a lot of people come

661
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: up with. Then you guys probably encounter all the time.

662
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: Is like people, there are so many dudes out there

663
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: who got a dog. There was gonna be like the

664
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: big hunting dog, and it winds up not it winds

665
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: up not being you know, and when that happens, I

666
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: typically think, you know, maybe the dog didn't have talent

667
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: but I typically think like that they didn't have the

668
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: time due to due to obligations or laziness, they didn't

669
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: take the time to train the dog. How Let's say

670
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: you a fella goes out and gets a puppy. What

671
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: is the bare minimum days put it by in terms

672
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: of days and week days and month whatever, What is

673
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: the bare minimum you better be prepared to put into

674
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: that dog when you bring it home to ever expect

675
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: to have a dog that isn't gonna embarrass you in

676
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: front of your bodies or there isn't just gonna be

677
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: a detriment to your hunting. I think probably more like

678
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: hours a week exactly. Well, yeah, and it's to me,

679
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: it's more repetition, um than it is length of time.

680
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,479
Speaker 1: It's more short duration training sessions than a few long

681
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: ones old a little every day exactly. That's that's much

682
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 1: better than like one Saturday a week. So, and it's

683
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 1: particularly important in my opinion, the first year is critical.

684
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, little baby's brains are like a sponge.

685
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: So's a dog, um, you know, and they want to work,

686
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: they want to they want to please you. How many

687
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: hours a week? I know it's hard to answer that way,

688
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: but what would you say, you know, um, you know,

689
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: I probably spent more than I more than I showed up,

690
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: but it's probably ten fifteen hours a week, right, And

691
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: then there's considerable investment though it's a it's a considerable

692
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: if you want to train, if you want to basically

693
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: not back to your question, which was just yeah, that's

694
00:36:56,200 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: a half hour a day. So and it's for half

695
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: an hour a day, you're gonna have a dog better

696
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: than the guy who doesn't spend at half hour a day,

697
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: you know. But one of the other biggest things that

698
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: this is my biggest gripe with all dogs, and I'm

699
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: sure Ed knows it too, is there's there's seven inherited

700
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 1: traits to a pointing dog, and I guess there'd be

701
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: six to a a flushing dog. You know, there's desire, pointing, cooperation, tracking. Um, well,

702
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: that's embarrassing. I can't remember investing. But anyway, there's my

703
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: books together road. There's inherited traits that this dog comes

704
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: with in a in a package and inherited me like

705
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 1: out of the box the box, and all you gotta

706
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: do is like expose a little bit and and it's

707
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: just like holy come my dog's holding point. He bring

708
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: out stuff that's just there. It's just they're already and

709
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: enhancing the instinct. And so then that training, you could

710
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: get one of those dogs out of a litter. It's

711
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 1: just what we call it natural, like you know you

712
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: natural athletes in high school. The guy that could play

713
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: all the sports and I couldn't run, you know. Yeah,

714
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: it's like the dog. It's like the dog we're talking about.

715
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: We cycled through as a family, many dogs and also

716
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 1: here comes this dog. No one new anything about it. It

717
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: It was just like this dog car what you thought

718
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: about it to like to find dogs? So that was

719
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: all we were looking for you. That's where my that's

720
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: my hallmark for a dog is. I can have a

721
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: lower desired dog, but it's got to have a high cooperation.

722
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: And my wire hairs didn't have well, one of them did,

723
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: but most of them didn't. My short hair had. Yeah,

724
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: she was okay. But natural cooperation in a in a

725
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: hunting dog, it's like an unspoken teamwork. You get stuff

726
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: from them. Then the training is easy because they're like,

727
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: oh this is this isn't there's dogs. I don't care

728
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: who that trainer is. And you've seen people have made

729
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: a lab get a title that don't deserve a title,

730
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm sure you've probably Yeah, I've

731
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 1: given a prize one dog and I'm going I wouldn't

732
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: put that dog in my truck. But this guy has

733
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: overwhelmed all the faults and this dog with obedience. This

734
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: dog is just like on pins and needles, but he's

735
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: he's mastered with obedience. Train. But if you can get

736
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: a dog that's cooperative, that means he wants to work

737
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: with you, Like like a little dog that first bird

738
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: and you get that puppy grabs a bird or whatever

739
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: you throw, he just brings it back to you. You're like,

740
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,240
Speaker 1: we might have something here, but the one that runs

741
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: around the backyard and like you're going, even as you're going,

742
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: I gotta work with this dog and you have to work.

743
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: A guy can take the pep out of a dog

744
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: by pushing obedience too much. Oh yeah, you can definitely

745
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,399
Speaker 1: an act. Their behavior can be different. They can turn

746
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: into little assholes, but some of them need to need more.

747
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: And then there's other dogs are like that, like that

748
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: kid that went to that he did better at Catholic

749
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: school than he would have done in public school because

750
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: the nuns just got him every and that's what dog

751
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: training is, right, And I mean it's like timing the

752
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: Catholic nuns. I had all my friends Catholic school. You know, Ronnie,

753
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: this is this is, this is the digression. Did I

754
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 1: want to get some fast questions? I want to answer, Ronnie,

755
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: you're just not that old. But in his public school

756
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: and swimming class, the boys all swim. That's the next

757
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: episode on his podcast. It just sounds so long ago

758
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: we had that. We had that happened in Alaska. We

759
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: had that whole big conversation. Nobody believed it. But yeah,

760
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: you're right, I've never heard that they all swimming class

761
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: public high school boys had no suits. You swim naked.

762
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: And when I went to when I was being born

763
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: the last day of October, second, the last day of October,

764
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: I was not as mature as the other boys. Yeah,

765
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: there was no hair down there and it was really

766
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 1: like kind of pain. That a digression. Anyway, real quick

767
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,879
Speaker 1: back to this and then when I want to ask

768
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 1: the rapid fire dog. So anyway, my that's this is

769
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: what I look for more than a dog. Is that

770
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: natural cooperation? Then you it's just makes the whole training

771
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: thing easier. You can screw it up, but it makes

772
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing easier, and it's easy to see in

773
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: a puppy. You can see cooperation issues all the time.

774
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: In a puppy, you can usually pick out the wallflower

775
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: and the bowl and then the what you want one

776
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: in between. Exactly, you don't want, you don't want to

777
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: work dependent on. Yeah, you don't want the one that

778
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: thinks I'm the boss. Yeah, so yeah, exactly. I think

779
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of like that finding a mate to man.

780
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: You might have something might yet I should write a

781
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 1: relationship book. Now, be honest, I want you to do something.

782
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: I want you to role play. What are you doing

783
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: on your phone? There? I'm trying to get a picture

784
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: of who's who's messing with their cord? Bad? Someone fiddling

785
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: with their cord? Everbody hold dead still except be honest,

786
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 1: I'll do what you were doing. Yeah, it's you drive

787
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: me nuts? Sorry, not bad a little bit. What do

788
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: you do on your phone? We're wasting time. I want

789
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: I want you, I want you, I want I want

790
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: you to role play as a dude who likes to

791
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: hunt a little bit of everything, asking a question about

792
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: what kind of dog he needs. I can do that

793
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: because I was actually doing that you earlier today. No, no, no, yeah,

794
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: you're a fellow like your honest lizen. Bows in Montana,

795
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 1: a lot of hunting opportunities, upland waterfowl, mountain lions. I

796
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: have two young kids, two young kids, and he can't

797
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: be having get killed by dogs. His wife could be

798
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: really mad about that. Please don't like it either, Please

799
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: don't like him. What dog does he honest want? So

800
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying I put us to a pointer guy and

801
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: a retriever guy. But you guys find consensus. You got

802
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: to find consensus. I think I'm ask the question, will

803
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: interject one more thing a pointer guy has to. I

804
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: think a pointer guy and a retriever guy are both

805
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: chasing an ideal. Right, A pointer guy dreams of that moment, right,

806
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: and there's the dog locked down, point right, shotgun at

807
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: the ready. The tail is just slightly like a super staff,

808
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: not giving you a little, just not like flash and

809
00:43:53,680 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: just ready to rock. So that's his image. Yeah, I

810
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: think the retriever guy's image is is his dog in

811
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: flight out of the blind into the icy cold water,

812
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: and he swims out and brings you the dog. Yeah,

813
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: that's a good vision. My brother in law's chocolate lab

814
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: stage who's also named Sage. Interesting female. This dog. These

815
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: guys are shooting just Drake's this dog sits on the

816
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: bow and when he calls that dog's name, that dog,

817
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: with no running start hits the water fifteen feet out.

818
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean it's prettier time. Ye see that. That's the

819
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: picture right there, man, I mean it's like, yeah, Yanny's

820
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: showing a picture this to your brother in law down Tennessee. Yeah,

821
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: he's got a black lab, chocolate chocolate lab. He's got

822
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of mallards hanging there and springs kennel. Kennel's

823
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: is where it's. That's where he bought it from. As

824
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: G Gordon Liddy says, we're not going to take a

825
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 1: break for crass commercial messages, all right. So there's your

826
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: honest just moved, you know, young Strap and lad, two

827
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 1: young kids just moved to Bowlsman. He's got upland waterfowl.

828
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: He goes. He says to you guys, he he says

829
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: at first, and what kind of dog do I want? Man?

830
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: I just want a dog that's ready to roll. I

831
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: don't even know what I'm gonna be doing. Give him

832
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: your pitch. I'm willing to put some time in training.

833
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: He's willing to put a little money down, not a lot.

834
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: You don't want to spend more than a thousand dollars

835
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: dollars he let's just also add this, I excuse him,

836
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: I excuse him of his debt of a thousand dollars.

837
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: Then I'll get him a dog. And he doesn't want

838
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: to spend any more than that. He doesn't want to

839
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: spend any more than that on a dog, and that's

840
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: absolute top limit. He'd be a lot happier to spend three.

841
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: You can't do that, okay, Okay. First, I'm smart enough

842
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: to know that what I'm getting into is gonna cost

843
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of money, just like bing cheap range finders.

844
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: You guys spend a little money. Okay. So that that

845
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: first questioned, what's his budget? If he's smart, his budget

846
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: should be a thousand minimum. Okay. So that's what i'd

847
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: sell my puppies to you for. All right, So your

848
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,799
Speaker 1: honest again, I already know his credentials, says, do you

849
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: ask them? Just say it right now as your role play, ed,

850
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: can you do it? Laughing? See see yeah, yeah, yeah.

851
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a dog that can really do everything

852
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: as well as come inside at the end of the day,

853
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: hang out with my girls. Be a family dog. I

854
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: can put in ten hours a week with it. That's great.

855
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: Train it. You're gonna take that. That's a lot of time.

856
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 1: But that time comes away from your dogs a lot

857
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: of time. But we're gonna do it together. He's doing

858
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: it with his children. So you're not like messing here.

859
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: We can't do You could if you're home enough, you

860
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: could do an hour day. But you know what not

861
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: to stop the question. But you also remember a young dog,

862
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: you don't do an hour day. You do it little

863
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: little five minutes here, tens three or five, fifteen minutes.

864
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 1: She comes longer and longer. You know what I said,

865
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: I want to get I want to I want to

866
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: I want to get I want to get here. Of

867
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 1: course my bias, here's your it's it's biased answer. But

868
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 1: the Labrador Retriever is without exception, one of the best

869
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: dogs for all around hunting conditions, and they're really great

870
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: family dogs. But it can't find bird, they can't find

871
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: pre shot birds, they can't find a live birds. Again,

872
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: he's not. I'm not following that. Yeah, they will go

873
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: out and find before you shot him. Yeah, yeah, because

874
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 1: you got what you got on the retriever side of it.

875
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: So you feel like they're pretty reliable to find the

876
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: dog that you hunted, that I hunted with today. Sage,

877
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,280
Speaker 1: my sage. That is one of the better pheasant labs

878
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: I've ever had. Pavil No no, I keep that the

879
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: dogs are divided into Flush's advocate. No, no, no. These

880
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: are good up on dog. You have to train them

881
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: on all of this stuff. But they're good in the

882
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: duck blind, they're good on upland, and they're great with

883
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: the family. But what yeah, let me let me put

884
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: what he will not do. He won't point, but there

885
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:44,439
Speaker 1: are pointing labs. But you know what will in some way,

886
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 1: once you get in tune with their body language, will,

887
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: in their own inadvertent way, alert you to the presence

888
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: of a bird. Sure, who did I tell the story?

889
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: He's trying to find it, but you know by his

890
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: body language that something's it's getting close, it's getting close.

891
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: I told you last night on the way back about

892
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: stage and the last two roosters. He was telling me

893
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: the right here. Yeah, he was out hunt. He got

894
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: real sick of walking. It kind of stopped, looked back

895
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: from here from the top of the hill, kind of

896
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 1: being like, you have to be kidding me, you have

897
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: to this is so exciting. And he goes out there

898
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: and there's two peasants. But this is the problem with

899
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: the flushing breeds versus the pointers. I ran my ass

900
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: off chasing that dog because he's really good on runners,

901
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,800
Speaker 1: and he was chasing a running blackbird. And so you

902
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: want to put your tennis shoes on and chase a

903
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: flush here after birds. Otherwise you do a gentleman lay

904
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: and go to the point. So I gotta say, I

905
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: almost don't want to lab just because everybody not everybody.

906
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: Now I know somebody that doesn't have a You don't

907
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: want a common dog. Everybody's got where do they run

908
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: in Laba? I have no idea. I pake that curse

909
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,720
Speaker 1: hunts alright, something it runs pigs. You already gold the questions.

910
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: So there's honest He's gonna give you an abbreviated verse

911
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: the question in lvin tell me why I am sure?

912
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: Come out, miss MIDI m sand hill cranes. I would

913
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: say that what you need no if I was going

914
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: to sell my breed of dog too. I would say

915
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: the shortcomings, and my dogs would be, oh, that's a

916
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: that's tactful. Start with the short because he lives with

917
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: a big cell. You live in Bozeman, Montana, And if

918
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: you are going to do a fair amount of winter

919
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 1: of foul waterfall hunting, then you don't want one of

920
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: my dogs because you're gonna have to put a vest on.

921
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: It's gonna it has a very short coat. I do

922
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: have one male that goes through Cedar you know Cedar

923
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: Creek all the time, walks that creak and but that

924
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: creek runs through my veins man that yeah, he walks

925
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 1: right up to January one when we have to quit.

926
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: He walks that creek doesn't get cold. But most of

927
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: them they're gonna be chacken like a and that's a

928
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: cold ass place too. Yeah, I mean you're like, ducks

929
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: show up, they're really good to say of My thing

930
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 1: would be like, if you think you're gonna do more

931
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: duck hunting, then you want to get something with a

932
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: really good coat, and you can't get a better coat

933
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,799
Speaker 1: than a lab well, maybe a chessie. I don't know.

934
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: I think it's if you really get a good lab

935
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: coat Jesse's. But I mean they got they're warmer than

936
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: a lab. Yeah, they're denser, I think probably. But I

937
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: think I'm kind of digressing here. But what ed faces

938
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: in a lot of pointing breeds face is so many

939
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: people have bred these dogs without the concern for coat

940
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and confirmation. You're getting labs that don't have a good coat,

941
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So because they've been breeding

942
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 1: as house dogs, house dogs and and show dogs and

943
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: everything else, and so that that makes a difference. But

944
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: the breed I have now, the Brocco Taliano, that is,

945
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: it's a couch potato. It is a Yeah, I absolutely

946
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: you'd find upland birds with it. You you could jump

947
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: shoot ducks, you could you could go out break some

948
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: skim ice, shoot a few birds, put a vest on it.

949
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna really be out in the cold

950
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,919
Speaker 1: a lot, I would I would go with a dog

951
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: with a better coat, either another versatile dog if you

952
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 1: wanted a pointer or a lab. And we kind of

953
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: both kind of laughed about the pointing labs is that's

954
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: been around him for years, I'm sure, and a navda

955
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: are our kind of joke is when somebody says, well,

956
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: our pointing labs ever gonna come into NAVDA and one

957
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 1: of the leaders of our group goes, a pointing lab

958
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: is a fault. It's a flushing dog. Why why why

959
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: would you want a pointing dog that didn't hold point?

960
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: Why would you want a flushing dog? It stops in

961
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: the middle of what he's doing. You know, It's like

962
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: it'd be like if you've meant an exotic dancer is

963
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: a good cook. Wrong. My very first lab, actually I

964
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't say she was a pointer by any means, but

965
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: you know, she's she got up on the bird and

966
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: she she knew it was there, so I smelled it,

967
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 1: so I just told her to stay. I would walk

968
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: up and just say get him, and she those I

969
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: would love to have one of those, you know, but

970
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,919
Speaker 1: she was a flusher whatever. People have started to try

971
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: to just make this new breed of pointing labs, and

972
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't I'm sure they're not. I don't know how

973
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: I like to know, how do you feel about it? Like?

974
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: When what was how long we been going for? And

975
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: I got a bonus question, you got bose questions, and

976
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: you gotta give me the pitch, and he wrote down

977
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: a question that he hasn't answered yet. Okay, anyway that

978
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: my pitch would be, if you wanted a pointing dog,

979
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: that would be a great family dog. I'd have to

980
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 1: agree with my breed of Brocateliano's or possibly be some

981
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: uh Griffin, wire haired pointing Griffon, maybe a Visila. Back

982
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: to the short haired. Those breeds are not they're the

983
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: other two are kind of popular, but they're a little

984
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: bit more on a docile side. A German wire hair

985
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: is a little crazy. German short hairs wine Riners And again,

986
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: everyone's gonna if people hear this thing, go oh you

987
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,240
Speaker 1: son of a bitch. I'm saying, just people's rifle caliber.

988
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: There's gonna be You're not websites where people defend pit bulls. Now,

989
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I don't want one next to me. I

990
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: know there's some sweetheart pit bulls out there. I just

991
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: don't want one next to me. So when I say

992
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: general statement, um, you'd want one of the more docile

993
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: pointing breeds that are known for being a little more

994
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: laid back, you know, with the family. Yeah, and if

995
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: you want to, you're not giving a good cell. You've devoted,

996
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: like you've devoted a huge portion of your life to

997
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: these dogs, and you're basically telling a guy, i'd go

998
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: get a lab but if you want one, to get

999
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: a docile one. No, I know there's more in you

1000
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: because if it wasn't, you wouldn't have. This is all

1001
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: you've ever been, like, like since you know, when you're

1002
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: besides your work and your family, this is what you

1003
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: loved and you're not you're not telling the boy. Yeah,

1004
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: but see, I don't I don't like hard sell a dog.

1005
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: I just can't do it. You know, you got too much, yes,

1006
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: too much morals and stuff. Yeah, it's just like it

1007
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: just depends on what you want, right, I I would

1008
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: just that's it's just not the right question to ask

1009
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,759
Speaker 1: me because I want more information about what you want.

1010
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say, hey, I'll tell people. I don't

1011
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: think you said all around when you say all around,

1012
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 1: and here's not a bonus, and will make it all around.

1013
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: My bonus question is you all know a much more

1014
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: of a big game hunter than I am, small game waterfowl, birds, whatever.

1015
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,240
Speaker 1: So I don't even know if it's legal in Montana,

1016
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: you can't do in Colorado, but if I had a

1017
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: trail of wounded animal dog you know in Montana, I

1018
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: don't know, Michigan, you can, can. I think you used

1019
00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: to not be able to also became able to recently

1020
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 1: someone I think, I I totally if you've I know,

1021
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: it's hard to figure out if you've hitting wounded a

1022
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 1: dog or hitting mood today and not a dog hitting

1023
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: moonded a big game man, Well, I don't. I think

1024
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: that anything you can throw at it to find it,

1025
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: you should be able to throw at it to find it.

1026
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: And I haven't heard both sides of the story. Maybe

1027
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: it's a great army. Why not. I just don't see, like,

1028
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: how would the retrieval of the game ever be a negative?

1029
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 1: I just can't picture, well, illegals, right, But the reason

1030
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: it's legals because people would run them. Yeah, I know,

1031
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 1: you're you're heading people, you're heading off abuse. Yeah you know.

1032
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's so hard to discuss laws

1033
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: and legal stuff. Like my brother has a rule when

1034
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: he discusses the stuff, he's talking about what's the goal

1035
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: or the legislation rather than how people are going to

1036
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 1: get around it? And so I support the goal personal

1037
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: ethics here, Yeah, support the goal we want to find.

1038
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:49,520
Speaker 1: We want to find that. Yeah, first and foremost, that

1039
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: dear was going to help him retrieve that. Look, that

1040
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: dog is not gonna be with you on that bow hunt.

1041
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, let's say you're not using a dog to

1042
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,759
Speaker 1: help you on the bow. No, let's say you make

1043
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: a you know, your shots not quite right on. You're

1044
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: not gonna spend a day twenty four hours looking for it,

1045
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: exhausted and go, Okay, it's time to go home and

1046
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 1: get the dog, because all we gotta drops for, you know,

1047
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 1: half a mile. Well, if I was going to speak

1048
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 1: to what you're looking for then, and and I know

1049
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: labs are used for tracking. I mean they can do

1050
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: a great job of tracking. They'll find when you can

1051
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: train them. If you really want to do they can

1052
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: certainly do it. Um but the versatile breeds again, this

1053
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,880
Speaker 1: would not be maybe my breed, although mine have. I

1054
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: have one guy that works for bear archery that tracks

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00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 1: a bunch of yeer with his dog all the time,

1056
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: with with a brocko and uh, but some of the

1057
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: virstail breeds tracking recovery of crippled game, was there their biggest,

1058
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: biggest least that was the barometer there's an old saying

1059
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to pointing breeds. The Germans want a

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00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: tracking dog that will point, and the Americans want a

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00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: pointing dog that will track. So can I kind of

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00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: cut it real quick? Montana, it's legal to track with

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00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: a leash dog. Pretty good. That's a great compromise. A compromise, yeah,

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00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: most dogs, most states. I think it's leash most states.

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00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: That's reasonable. He's not gonna be killing other stuff? Now?

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00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: Is that Is that reasonable to ask out of the dog? Absolutely?

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00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: God As, That's where it comes into the demeanor of

1068
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: not being crazy. It's like, okay, and you train them

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00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: that way, you train them un the leash. You you

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00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: do blood, so they just know, like that leash is

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00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: not a big deal. I know I'm pulling my dad along,

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00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 1: but he's not going crazy. And yeah, I've seen dogs

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00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: do that. One wire hair black one and he asked

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00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: what we talked about. He he tracks several day. He

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00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: killed it, killed a couple dear to the point of

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00:58:54,880 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: being able to got him. We are in a small house,

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00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: Texas and one of the less right now earlier buttocks hurt,

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00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: so um, just to wrap I want to wrap all

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00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: your your bonus questions taken care of edge should answer

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00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: it briefly. What was the question? Yeah, I love big

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00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: game and I'd be great if my dog, if I

1082
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: could train my dog to do that. You just said,

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00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: if you know, you can train him to do anything.

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00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: Just a quick side note. The dog we hunted with

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00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: the day's stage. I actually trained him to find dead

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00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: bats and birds under wind turbans. I used to do

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00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: research on windmill and faytal windmills and Faytali. Where were

1088
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: you doing network? Mostly back east in Pennsylvania, going to

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00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: if they really are if they killed bats and mostly bats,

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00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: but the birds as well. But I actually trained him

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00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: and I got him trained in five days and he'd

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: go out and in our trials he found over the

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01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: trial bats. So we were pretty But exactly, it's the

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01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: desire to you just you just turned it. You've channeled.

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how we did it. Channeled it. Yeah, exactly.

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01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: I just took the bats, some frozen bats, and I'd

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01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: set him out there somewhere who doesn't have him when

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01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: he actually found them, well so, and when he found it,

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01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: i'd give him a food treat and I threw but

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01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: more importantly i'd throw him a bumper. The retreat as

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01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: the ultimate, so then you reward him and then you

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01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: just phase And this is with any kind of training.

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01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: You just phase out of that after a while. Then

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01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: the game or the or the command or whatever it

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01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: is becomes the reward. My buddy Brandt, who I mentioned

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01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 1: Offen train you didn't same thing. He's a researcher like himself,

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01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,479
Speaker 1: train his dog um to find nests. I had got

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: very good at fun very first, which he said are

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01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,160
Speaker 1: if you don't have a dog out there, and you

1110
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: don't if you don't have a dog out there and

1111
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: you don't have a hen who's wearing a tracker, it

1112
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: is extremely difficult to find darkness in high grass. And

1113
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: he would just he just knocked it out of the

1114
01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: park finding with that dog. I did the same thing

1115
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: with my first, my first lab. She would get there

1116
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: and destroy the eggs. She'd get there and be like,

1117
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: right right here is the same note. That's why they

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01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: do all the banning of woodcock and what um crowse

1119
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,919
Speaker 1: with pointing dogs because when they come into the scent,

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Speaker 1: he won't get in the crush it right, So it's

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01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 1: it's like can't and you're right there it's a dog.

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,200
Speaker 1: Tell the dog to wall. It's got to be trained

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Speaker 1: dog that you can do all the work with the

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01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: eggs or the Yeah, so your bonus question, you can

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Speaker 1: you can train these dogs, but one dog more out

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01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: of the box is gonna want to do it? Probably

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01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: some kind of well, it's probably be a bloodhound, right,

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01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 1: it would do that would be there, and that would

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01:01:57,520 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 1: be I would say, yeah, if if all you wanted

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: to do was track. The problem is with a with

1131
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: the hound group. Do you want to say bloodhound? Very

1132
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: few bloodhounds ever getting any competition and are trained for

1133
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: tracking anymore. It's a great old dog, but they're not

1134
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: real active. Um, then if you were family dogs, just

1135
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,240
Speaker 1: quickly bloodhound. I've never had one in the house. I

1136
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I think bloodhounds yeah, but I know the

1137
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: other dogs that would track better and faster would be

1138
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: your blue ticks in your uh all the coon dogs

1139
01:02:36,600 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: the bearer but but they's sales pitch. They don't they

1140
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: don't listen good. They're very independent. Who's this now? Bare

1141
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: dogs and coon dogs that you were looking at them?

1142
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 1: Dogs Floyd Lion dogs would kill you. Really, they're like

1143
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,959
Speaker 1: the old lions and they gotta fight lions. Yeah, those

1144
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 1: dogs are ready to fight. One dog will go fight

1145
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: a line. Wow, that's it's like, hell, he would rather

1146
01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: die than pull out of the fight. Yeah, I've never

1147
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: seen those dogs do not snuggle. I see my dogs

1148
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: probably don't want that one. Really, and it sounds like

1149
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm being like Floyd to die if he knew out staying.

1150
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: The dogs to kill you, I don't know. I don't

1151
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: mean they kill you. Understand, Like those dogs think about

1152
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: one thing. They think about their group dynamic, which is

1153
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 1: very complex because there's a bunch of them. You know,

1154
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,360
Speaker 1: you're running like you've got a dozen dogs or whatever.

1155
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:37,080
Speaker 1: They think about going on and then they think about

1156
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 1: how does that relate to catching lines? You know, and

1157
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: that's not a dog you on for the house. So really,

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 1: I think it's if you want to concentrate on blood tracking,

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01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 1: I would say pick one of the versatile breeds because

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01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: it's probably more in the gene pool. But I also

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01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: know that my new son in law his family in Pensacola, Florida,

1162
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: they have a hunting camp in Alabama and there are

1163
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: two blood tracking dogs are their labs. So I mean,

1164
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: are they good to find a deer, Yeah they are.

1165
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: And then I don't think they've ever done it. But

1166
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: that's the guy, the son in law, and so he

1167
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: ran his broco with the labs, and I was broccolis

1168
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: tracking blood. So but I've never trained one to track

1169
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: big game, but I'm sure he can do it because

1170
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: the way I trained for trailing for pheasants is you

1171
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 1: buy a pin raise pheasant and you kill it and

1172
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: you drag it, and you drag it through a field

1173
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 1: and you plan it somewhere where you know where you

1174
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: know it is, and you get the dog out and

1175
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 1: put him on the sand and work him until he

1176
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: finds it. You know What's what's kind of a I

1177
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: don't mean to offer this as a wrap up, but

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Speaker 1: what's interesting is the first time I ever went hunting

1179
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: pigs of dogs, they had classic trackers like hounds. Then

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01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: they had where pitbulls in Hawaii and they had pit

1181
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: bulls they look like a pit bull that they had

1182
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 1: a dog that would track the pig. They didn't have

1183
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 1: a dog that would catch the pig and anchor it.

1184
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:15,680
Speaker 1: And these dogs knew to grab that pig by the

1185
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: ears and they would hold that thing to the ground.

1186
01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: So the dogs worked, come hell or high water, and

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01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: these guys like, that's just how you do it. That

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01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: later did that in New Zealand, and they had a

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: dog that looked like a tone down greyhound and they

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01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: even had whip it in them. They bred whip it

1191
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: in them for speed. And these dogs were great pig hunters.

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01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:38,440
Speaker 1: But they wouldn't actually fight the pick. They're just harassed

1193
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 1: man handle the pig. They would They would not anchor

1194
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 1: a pig. They would harass it and corner it and

1195
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: keep it busy while he went and caught up with it.

1196
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: And result the results. You gotta get in there and

1197
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: fight the dog. You gotta fight the pig a little

1198
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 1: bit more, but that little thing would dip. The third

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Speaker 1: time I ever went did this was in Florida. You'n't

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01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: stop moled earlier. Whole other deal, whole different kind of dog,

1201
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: no pit bulls, no whippets. Well what was it, some

1202
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of smaller hound dog. But they had one big

1203
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: I can't remember her name. There was that one big

1204
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: cur that it looked like, Remember that big Remember the

1205
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 1: dogs all got the huge fight with the raccoon. Remember

1206
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: the dogs in there that board charge that dog and

1207
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: laid it open good. Yeah, And they had small Those

1208
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: dogs are small, most of them like the day pound

1209
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: or no, I'll probably that made. But there was one

1210
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: that was like a seventy seventy five pounds, big chested

1211
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: by the pick. No, I think it was funny about

1212
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 1: this guy what he said, big chest of this Oh

1213
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,000
Speaker 1: this guy his dog gets you know, he's got dogs.

1214
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: They're getting fights the pigs all the time. And I

1215
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: said to him, I said, man, I said, what's your

1216
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: vet think you guys bringing in these cut up dogs?

1217
01:06:56,200 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: Does your vet think that it's like? Does he get

1218
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 1: Maddie like it's abusive to put these dogs the situations?

1219
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: He goes, No, I went and found a vet legs

1220
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: and hunt pigs like that. That was certainly help. That

1221
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 1: would help. All right. Where are we at with time?

1222
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 1: We should? Probably we're there, all right. So the logical

1223
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: conclusion of this, you need to go buy a broco

1224
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: Italian on a lab. Do you need a budget of

1225
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: what what do you need for a Budget's got a dog.

1226
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: It's a fat like you're not you're not gonna take offense.

1227
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: But you got a dog that's a fashionable dog. Not fashionable,

1228
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: it's unknown. People want it for guaranty. And he has

1229
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 1: even sold dogs a handful of him more to handful

1230
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: of them to people who have no intention to hunting

1231
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: net dog. How can you do that? Well, it's easy.

1232
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:55,439
Speaker 1: It's called for a eight week puppet. It just says

1233
01:07:55,960 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: did the same thing. No one knows not three You've

1234
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: got to realize went to pets and the family. Answer

1235
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: me this, how many labs? How many labs you think

1236
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: are in this country? Lots? How millions? How many people?

1237
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: For family? Just divide that by Okay, so let's just

1238
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: say probably I'm gonna say there's five million labs in

1239
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: in his country, or let's just say a million. That's

1240
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 1: a that's a safe numbers three million people. Let's say

1241
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: say five thousand. I'll bet you butt you only two

1242
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: to three percent of ever put a duck in her mouth.

1243
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: So it's the same way if if if that so

1244
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,759
Speaker 1: same thing. This is a very esoteric dog. It costs

1245
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: lots of important, It costs a lot of the price

1246
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: is gonna come down and they're all gonna they're all

1247
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 1: gonna come down to the price. But right now, um,

1248
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: there's somebody who don't know shipp from putting I sell

1249
01:08:55,400 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: him for so you don't feel any kind of world

1250
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 1: thing where you gotta make sure they're gonna hunt that dog. No,

1251
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: I pushed them in in my in my registry, in

1252
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: my breeding contract. If they ever want to breathe this dog,

1253
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: then they have to do all the things I do.

1254
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: They have to do a nap to test, they have

1255
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:17,880
Speaker 1: to have health test, hips, eyes, X rays, everything, And

1256
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, then you're just as new as I

1257
01:09:20,320 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 1: was twenty five years ago. But you're gonna do what

1258
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: I do. And if they do that, and the dogs

1259
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: gotta pass a hunting test, this dog got the ability

1260
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 1: to do it. And I'm fine with that. And here

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Speaker 1: about what happened Matt. Recently, he bought a guy gave

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Speaker 1: him a cow that for some reason was assumed to

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Speaker 1: be infertile. Oh yes, yes, I did hear that. And

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Speaker 1: then I don't know how it happened. Someone brought a

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Speaker 1: bull over. And but this is my brother. Someone brought

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Speaker 1: that could be mutilating this story with The basic gist

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Speaker 1: is the guy gives him the cow that's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be not viable, infertile. Somehow bull climes over. Turns out

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Speaker 1: the cow is not in fact infertile has a calf.

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Speaker 1: Matt decides to get out of the live stock business

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Speaker 1: and takes his cow calf pair down to sell him

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Speaker 1: at an auction. Gets in a little trouble with the

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Speaker 1: brand inspector who wants to brandon papers but has no

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Speaker 1: idea what he's talking about because the guy just gave

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Speaker 1: it to him because he never had cows before. Why

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Speaker 1: is up? He has to go to the guy that

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Speaker 1: gave him the cow. The guy that gave him the

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Speaker 1: cow is not happy because he has like a protected bloodline, right,

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Speaker 1: like a name. He's got to defend, right, He's got

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Speaker 1: a reputation, And here he gives one of his cows

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Speaker 1: to someone who just guy goes and breathes it with

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Speaker 1: some bull down the road. But he was told it

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Speaker 1: was not viable. Well I know, but anyways, he had

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01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: to go talk to He had to get himself getting messy.

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Speaker 1: So I can see that getting messy. The long short

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01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: of stories, he was impressed by beef prices. He's out

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Speaker 1: of the stock business now, but he was in it

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Speaker 1: pretty thick for a couple of days there. So at

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Speaker 1: budget dog budget, uh, if you get really high powered

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01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: field trial bread dogs they're gonna push field those the

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Speaker 1: sire or the damn or both field trial champions. So

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Speaker 1: you know it's a good smart and the mom and

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01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: dad went to Harvard exactly cadillact the maserati. But you know,

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Speaker 1: a good average hutting dog is gonna be a thousand

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Speaker 1: bucks usually minimum thousand, fifteen hundred. I think the key

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Speaker 1: thing to look for um when I was breeding readily

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Speaker 1: through brown dog retrievers, when I had my kennel. My

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Speaker 1: my advice to people if they couldn't afford it's like,

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01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: that's fine, but if you buy one out of the

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01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 1: paper for three or four hundred bucks, make sure it's

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01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,679
Speaker 1: got the health guarantees. A good act, a good breeder

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01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,720
Speaker 1: is gonna give you, you know, is gonna have all

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01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: the certificates you need. They're they're free of all known

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01:11:54,560 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: good elbows, good eyes, all that stuff, and they will

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01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:59,439
Speaker 1: give you now it's right, and they will give you

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: a certain figure that if there's any of those problems

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01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: that show up congenitally, if over a certain time. I mean,

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01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: you don't wait for hips to you know, show up

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01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 1: with a twelve year old dog with bad hips and

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: say I want a puppy exactly. But that's what you're

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01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: really looking for. And to get a good, well bred

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01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 1: dog with the traits you want, good health certificate, you're

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01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: looking at a thousand bucks. I'm gonna ask you that

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01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 1: a really tough question. Let's say you go down, like

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01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 1: I said, my brother went to a lab rescue place

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01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: right basically randomly selects a dog. If you had to

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Speaker 1: put it in percentage points, what are the what are

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01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: the odds he's gonna walk out of here? He just

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01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: goes and there's ten dogs in there, he randomly selects

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Speaker 1: a dog. Don't don't factor in health. Okay, we'll just

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,120
Speaker 1: make an assumption about what are the chance he's gonna

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:49,559
Speaker 1: come home with it with a hunting dog that will

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01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: make him proud, versus he gets one whose mind, dad,

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01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,439
Speaker 1: are all the stuff you're top about. I think he's

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01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: gotta good chance. I'm gonna say probably maybe seventy five

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Speaker 1: that the dog wants to do the work, but he's

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: gonna have to put the work into it to train

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01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:14,639
Speaker 1: it to do it so he doesn't embarrass embarrassing. That's

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01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: the best. That's the pound puppy. They've got the instincts

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Speaker 1: if it's a pure bred lab. They're all I mean,

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01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:23,759
Speaker 1: it's not a gradient, right, you know, they're not all good,

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01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: and some of them are great. And to your point,

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, you you pull one out of the lab

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01:13:29,320 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: or the rescue and you get a really good one.

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Speaker 1: That's because he was he has the drive in. The

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01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: instincts may have been pretty well. So he's got a

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01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: seventy five with the pound puppy what he got with

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,320
Speaker 1: a with a dog, he's got a got something I'm saying,

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01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 1: with instinct that would actually exactly, he's got to train

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01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 1: that in. Maybe maybe that drops to depending on if

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01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: you're buying one from a lab rescue, it might drop.

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01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: When said that saying, the guy told me years and

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01:13:57,320 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: years ago we talked about dogs, well, the best dog,

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01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 1: best to the best, don't best to the best. You

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01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta say this dog's gotta fault. That dog's

1346
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: gotta fault. Yeah, but they're both great. Now they both

1347
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,799
Speaker 1: got a serious fault and the same fault can repeat itself.

1348
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: There's an old saying. The best boxer, heavyweight, lightweight, middleweight

1349
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: backs are never stepped off a porch. His life, never

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01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: stepped into the ring. He just didn't bother, So you

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01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 1: get that dog like you guys got that That dog

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01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,120
Speaker 1: wasn't trained by any handlers, that wasn't trained any nothing,

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01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,559
Speaker 1: and that could have been one of the best dogs

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01:14:31,560 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: in the world. And through great dogs, you just never know,

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01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 1: so you never know who's just right. I think, Yeah,

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:41,960
Speaker 1: but you gotta answer the second part. What are this

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01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: dude's odds if he goes through the whole, jumps through

1358
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 1: the hoops, buys like a dog with all the paperwork,

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:52,560
Speaker 1: diplomas or the mom and dad better than the average? Yeah,

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01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 1: but you're already better than average. You said that was

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,040
Speaker 1: instincts Okay, this is the last thing we're top I

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01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:01,600
Speaker 1: wanted to re ask the question. You got a guy,

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01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 1: he's a he's has everything it takes as a beginner trainer.

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01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: He's gonna going to the pound and get a dog,

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01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 1: and he's got the time. He's got the time that

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01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 1: is necessary to put into it. What are the odds

1367
01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:18,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna pull a good dog versus what I'm trying

1368
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 1: to get you to answer. You know what I'm trying

1369
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: to get the answer? Does it actually pay? Is it

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: actually worth your time to look and be like? Who

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01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: were the mom and dad all that garbage. Is it

1372
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:34,080
Speaker 1: just like is it just random? Or do you really

1373
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 1: get something when you get that? Now I'm gonna maybe

1374
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:41,760
Speaker 1: drop it to But you know the reality is, I

1375
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: think most of the labs have good instincts, but not

1376
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: all of them are gonna be hunters right out of

1377
01:15:47,320 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: the box. And you know, if you're it depends on

1378
01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:52,439
Speaker 1: their age. You know, the old dog new trick thing.

1379
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, you can train old dogs, but the best

1380
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: your best bet is to start with a young dog

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01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: and training and put it in that puppy. Right, so

1382
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:05,639
Speaker 1: one of it was old, one of the puppy. Don'tys

1383
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: go with the puppy? Yeah? I would, I would if

1384
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 1: I was going to train one. Yeah, if you got

1385
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:12,000
Speaker 1: down to rescue a six year, six or eight year

1386
01:16:12,040 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: old lab because they're yeah probably because yeah, let me

1387
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 1: qualify those percentages. You're not really comfortable to answering that question.

1388
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 1: Was too much unknown such a classic scientist. It just depends,

1389
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,000
Speaker 1: you know. I give you a little annote. My brother

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01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: in law who owned stage, we just saw pictures of

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01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:35,880
Speaker 1: who was a or is a two thousand plus dollar puppy.

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01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what he pays. I know that

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01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:40,519
Speaker 1: he's she just got read at six years old for

1394
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,759
Speaker 1: the very first time, and he's expecting, you know, to

1395
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:47,240
Speaker 1: make some dividends. His first lab that he trained very

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01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 1: hard was a rescue pound dog, Bonnie. Amazing dog. I

1397
01:16:52,200 --> 01:16:54,840
Speaker 1: love that dog. He had no idea, They just grabbed her.

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01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: He put the time in and it was an amazing lab.

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01:16:58,680 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 1: So there you go. He got both of them all right.

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01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 1: But you could spend that kind of money and you know,

1401
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,560
Speaker 1: for enough high power to lab and come out with

1402
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: nothing just oh it's late. But um there's also if

1403
01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: you want to buy a dog. I think one of

1404
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: the best ways to do if you can do it,

1405
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 1: since your budget, your spend a thousand or two thousand

1406
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 1: dollars on a dog, go meet the parents of those dogs,

1407
01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: spend some time with the d and then because if

1408
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,759
Speaker 1: there's something you don't like about either of them dogs,

1409
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: you might get that in your puppy. So that but

1410
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 1: it's hard to do these days. These dogs get sold

1411
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 1: on it, you know, through the Internet. I have sold

1412
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: dogs from coast to coast, north to south. You deliver

1413
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: your dogs. Most of I shipped one to Grease. Yeah

1414
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:50,000
Speaker 1: goal from uh from meeking Os Island and Greece. But

1415
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 1: I say the same thing about spouses for a long time.

1416
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: People ask me you advice, and my dude, go hang

1417
01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:03,360
Speaker 1: out with the parents, you know really, Oh yeah, you

1418
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:06,040
Speaker 1: people say that, but you don't like your mother in law.

1419
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: You're I just can't picture. I can't picture if someone

1420
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: had went and said, like like like what I said

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01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,080
Speaker 1: to my wife, Oh, go hang out with Frank and

1422
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 1: Rosy and you'll find out what it's like to be

1423
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 1: married to Steve. I just don't see how you'd never

1424
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,360
Speaker 1: get them. I gotta give you that. I think you

1425
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: gotta just find like be the idiosyncrasies. It's not the

1426
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 1: real person. But it's a good point. You and Frank

1427
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: not the same. We both like stuff real organized, not

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01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: a lot of garbage like spent shotgun shells all over

1429
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 1: the floor and stuff like that. Ronnie thinks cup holders

1430
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 1: are little things that hold empty shots. No one is

1431
01:18:50,760 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: for non spent mixed, the con the consoles for un shot,

1432
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,799
Speaker 1: the little door. There's our first spent shock on the shelves.

1433
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 1: All right, we gotta go. This is actually like a

1434
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: two part podcast, because we're gonna do part two later.

1435
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: Some other times. No, we're gonna do it real soon,

1436
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: and we're talking about why we're here, which is the

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01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: real tall bird with the real good meat. We're gon

1438
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna pick that up, and hopefully we're gonna bring

1439
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:22,240
Speaker 1: in a another guy who shot him mounting of these

1440
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,599
Speaker 1: tall good eat birds. Hopefully this is all gonna happen.

1441
01:19:25,600 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna happen. By the meantime. Thanks for

1442
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:32,760
Speaker 1: joining us. Uh tune in more. Also, this is media

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01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: the podcast. You can always always always watch me eaither

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Speaker 1: the TV show by getting yourself access to the Sportsman

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Speaker 1: really need to commit this to memory. One minute, my

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Speaker 1: buddy set this thing up. It's not I'm sure it's

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Speaker 1: just stay tuned here a minute. Me eater dot dot

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Speaker 1: come on help me out man someone. Okay, if you

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Speaker 1: guys aren't being helpful, I don't have a phone with

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Speaker 1: We're not busting your balls about Okay, Nope, go to

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Speaker 1: watched your hearts content. Um, there's a code you put

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Speaker 1: might not be it. Um, all right, everybody, stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Ron loves you.