1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: I thought we had written a good song that day, 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: but I had no idea it was like gonna be 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: a life changing hit song. And so my publishing company 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 1: were putting out an EP and they're like, we should 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: put these songs. And my publisher were like, man, you 6 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,000 Speaker 1: should put Pray for You on there too. 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, Episode four ninety four with Matt Stell. 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: We still can't play clips of songs. 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't it weird? 10 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 4: We do a music podcast. We can't play any music. 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: You can sing them, I know, And I thought for 12 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: a while that's probably like the best thing to do, 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: but then I would get DMS go and stop singing them. 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 4: But then I'm like, well then how do you as 15 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 4: people don't even know? 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: Do we start getting them to sing them? 17 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 4: But why can we do that? 18 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Though? 19 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 4: Like, why can we do that? We can't have them 20 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 4: play a guitar. 21 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: I guess because that performance is not copywritten. 22 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 4: Them singing acapella. 23 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought you were a lawyer, Hey, 24 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: will you do that as a bit? Will you get 25 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: a law degree? 26 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: Okay, give me like six years. 27 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: He has number ones like Prayed for You. 28 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 4: I no, I've been di s event no, uh, I've 29 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: been hold on. I know the song that's not Prayed 30 00:01:09,160 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 4: for You. 31 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 2: No, I know that's the other one that's ever So 32 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 2: this is everywhere but on number one Savannah Long Beach, 33 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 2: not bites on Dick of Me. I've been everywhere but 34 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: all that's everywhere but on Yeah Ddie melody me pray 35 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: for you, single old dick because you can live on. 36 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: And I prayed for you. Oh you're that's not it. 37 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: That's not right. It's kind of right, but you're not right. 38 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: Like you got to do it again. I was a 39 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: single dick. 40 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 4: Now we're there. Now you're going too Fastler, you Gotler, 41 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 4: I have a single. 42 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 2: Damn that's I pray. Oh my god, that's it. It 43 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: isn't for only one of us, but that works, right, Mike. Yeah, 44 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: thanks Daddie for coming in as a collab there. 45 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 46 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 2: Breaking in Boots is another one that we talked about. 47 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: Went I think top twenty at least. His last album, 48 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 2: called Born Lonely, came out last summer. Ten songs all 49 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: written by Matt working on music. 50 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: Now. 51 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: This is a really great interview. I've known Matt for 52 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 2: a while, we're close. I did not know a lot 53 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: of the stuff. An interview like this allows me to 54 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: go places that I probably wouldn't go for just hanging 55 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: out or watching a game. 56 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 3: I think it's also a y'all's relationship too. I've never 57 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 3: heard an artist talk about some of these things. 58 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: You make it sound like we we don't want people 59 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 2: know we dated. Yeah, that's what he made it like, you. 60 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: Know, relationships very intimate. 61 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: Matt moved to Nashville in twenty fourteen, self taughp vocalist 62 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: and guitar player. I don't want to say too much, 63 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: but I think people will be surprised at the versions 64 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: of him that all exist. But I think he you 65 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 2: kind of see him differently. I didn't know all the 66 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 2: Texas country stuff, no idea, no, I had no idea 67 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:52,680 Speaker 2: that was his path and what he was doing it 68 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 2: was red dirt and I didn't even know that. So, 69 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: you know, he like had a ton of real jobs 70 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: to college in between, like songwriting and school. He went 71 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: on a big medical mission trip to Haiti, was blown 72 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: away by work being done there, and then he what 73 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: we did not talk about because I think he gets annoyed, 74 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 2: not annoyed. I think people go to it immediately, like 75 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: if they only get a few minutes with them. But 76 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: we talked about you'll hear at college and graduate school. 77 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: But then he went and was accepted into the Harvard 78 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: pre Med program, so it's even more what we talk 79 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: about here. 80 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 4: That was me. That's all I talk about. And he's like, 81 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 4: I would just wearing like a Harvard sweatshirt even though 82 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 4: I didn't go there. 83 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you are the Harvard sweatshirt. So he played basketball college, 84 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: so domb he did it all. Okay, he's only one 85 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 2: of eight new artists to have back to back number 86 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: ones and like the past six years, so less than 87 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: ten people have been able to do that. Matt Stell 88 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: dot Com, at Matt Stell on Instagram, at matt Stelle 89 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: Music on TikTok here he is Matt Stell Matthew Stell, 90 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 2: So there you go. Is Matthew your real first name? 91 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 2: It is birth certificate. That's how it reads, because mine 92 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: is not Robert. It's not It's just Bobby, literally Bobby. 93 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: That's great, which is weird because most Bobby's are a 94 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: nickname for Robert. 95 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. I call you Robert Bones sometimes 96 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,840 Speaker 1: when I'm being funny to the gambling group but I 97 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: guess I won't do that anymore. 98 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no way, even think it's funny though. What's funny 99 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 2: about that? 100 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: Well, we're all laughing behind your back in a separate 101 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: text threads. 102 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 5: My favorite when people call Bobby Bob. It's like no 103 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 5: one ever calls Bobby Bob Bob bone. 104 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: Is Is it weird to you that our last names 105 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: are literally only one letter apart though my real last name, 106 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: because that's that Sometimes it's weird to see your name. 107 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's the weirdest is when Caitlyn posts something 108 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: and her name is you know, Caitlyn's as Steale, but 109 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the E looks like it could be part of her 110 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: first name. And my sister in law's name is Caitlyn Stelle. 111 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: It's spelled differently, thank god, but yeah, it looks like 112 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: she could be my Kim. 113 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: Folks, let's keep it, you know, pretty pretty loose. Here 114 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,920 Speaker 2: Israel Palestine. 115 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah now. 116 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 2: That let's do all the origin story stuff first. And 117 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've told a hundred times, but I think 118 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 2: it's good for people to kind of hear where you 119 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 2: came from. You have a pretty interesting path. What'd you 120 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: want to be when you grew up? 121 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: I would be lying if I said I knew anything 122 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. 123 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: You're one of those kids? 124 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: Did I did? 125 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 2: That's most kids. 126 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: I had no idea. I mean I had to go 127 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: to grad school because I didn't know. I mean, I 128 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: graduated college, you know, and looked around and you know, 129 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: at that time, you know, my dad was a was 130 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: a dairy farmer and then and then a contractor. But 131 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: then that time when I was graduating college is when 132 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: the Faetteville Shale, like natural gas hit Arkansas, and you know, 133 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: my dad's little you know, crew with three people counting 134 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: me in the summers, turned into like sixty or seventy 135 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: people at its biggest point. So it was like, I mean, 136 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: if I'm looking back, if I wasn't doing this, I 137 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: would have probably been in hole and gas. 138 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: But if you're twelve, what they call you mat or Matthew? 139 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 2: At twelve, Matt, Matt, what do you want to be 140 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 2: when you grow up? 141 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: I would have said? A ball player? 142 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, no, were you a good ballplayer at twelve? 143 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: Had you already grown? 144 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: No? I mean I was, I was all right player, 145 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: but I wasn't. I hadn't grown. I mean I didn't 146 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: grow until really my sophomore year in high school. 147 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 2: Where'd you go to high school? 148 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: Nemo Vista High School, Center Ridge, Arkansas. 149 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: How many kids in your graduating class? 150 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: Twenty seven? Yeah, Class A. 151 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 2: When you said ball was it? We were Class A too. 152 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: No one's ever, no one ever's Class A. They switched 153 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: it to class double A later because they moved everybody up. 154 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 2: Did you guys get the move up? 155 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 1: Well, it went from B to A when we got 156 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: the move up, got. 157 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: It so we went from A. We had forty two 158 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: in my class and we were a massive mountain Pine class. 159 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: It was the biggest class in ages, right, But we 160 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: went from single A to double A. I didn't know 161 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 2: there was a B, and for. 162 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: A long time there was like Class B. Yeah, I 163 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: mean Center was still in the smallest classification. We didn't 164 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: have football. 165 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 2: That was my next question. We barely had football. And 166 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: in the past few years we went from eleven man 167 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: to eight man because we didn't have enough kids. It's 168 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: like the last ten years we just now went back 169 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 2: to eleven man. But when I played, we had probably 170 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 2: thirty kids on the whole team. Wow, which is tough 171 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: because it's eleven and perfect world A different eleven on 172 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: the other side, but that ain't help. But everybody had 173 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 2: to play every position. How many kids you having the 174 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: basketball team? 175 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: I mean twelve to fifteen, you know, but between the 176 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: three grades, you know that would have been a senior 177 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: boys basketball. 178 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: What was the big school that was close Marleton and 179 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: you never thought of it? You couldn't move schools then, 180 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: right or No? 181 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: I mean I could have. My mom was a superintendent 182 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: at Greenbrier, so I mean I could have. But my 183 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: mom my dad both went to NEMO. My grandmother went 184 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: to NEMO. Both my grandmother's taught at NEMO, So I 185 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: don't know, it felt like that's where I needed to be. 186 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: Looking back, I would have probably like, I'm glad that 187 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: I things worked out the way they did. That was cool, 188 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: But looking back into the opportunities that you have, being 189 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: in a bigger school district probably would have done me 190 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: some good for when I, you know, went on to 191 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: the next level or even went to college. 192 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: I felt the same way, like I was like going 193 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: to a small school until I got older, and I 194 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: wish I would have been smart enough to take advantage 195 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 2: like I got invited to go to the math and 196 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: science school, like to move and go live there. 197 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Hot Spring. One of my best friends did that 198 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: from our high school, and I. 199 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: Just I was like, I want to stay state. I 200 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,839 Speaker 2: think maybe it's a little scared to go live there. 201 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: The world seems so big when you're from a place 202 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: as small as we are. And that's the thing. It's like, 203 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 1: you know, one thing you and I have in common 204 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: is kind of coming from that and then seeing the 205 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:53,439 Speaker 1: world and kind of embracing, you know, how different things are. 206 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: But I wasn't always that way. I mean, the world 207 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: was scared to me, like, you know, a three DA 208 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: school was like saying, you know, would I even make 209 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: the team, or like, you know, could I even you know, 210 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: graduate high school? The world was just so big. 211 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 2: I was scared to move to Hot Springs, yeah, which 212 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: is twenty thousand people, which is now a small town, 213 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 2: a small city, we'll say. But I was like, man, 214 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to move move to Hot Springs live 215 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 2: in it. And my family wasn't. They weren't not supportive. 216 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 2: They didn't know to be supportive. They didn't think there's 217 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: a difference, you know, my mom and her issues step 218 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,319 Speaker 2: dad later, but so no one was like you should 219 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 2: do this. It's good for you because nobody knew the 220 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: difference because limited options in a small town. But yeah, 221 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 2: I got invited to go live in the math of 222 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 2: Science school. And looking back, just to your point, I 223 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 2: was like, Man, if I don't went to a bigger school, 224 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot more opportunity because you can learn more 225 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: about maybe what you love and what you're good at. 226 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: Even with sports is we didn't have We had football 227 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: and basketball late, we'd have we had a baseball team later, 228 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: but we didn't have our own fields. We had to 229 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 2: go to another school and play and that was our 230 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 2: home field. God, they made so much fun of us 231 00:09:58,440 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: because we had to use their field as the home 232 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: field squatters big time. And then we didn't have anything else, 233 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 2: Like we had a track. We didn't have a track, 234 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: actual track. We had a track team that our coach 235 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 2: made us run track, but we had to train on 236 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 2: dirt around our football field. I'm just assuming that's very 237 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 2: similar to your school. 238 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: I helped the middle school principal paint the finish line 239 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: on the lines that they drew on the asphalt parking 240 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: lot to be the track. And this would have been 241 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: like my senior year, and it was like in no way. 242 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: Like the track, so you guys could train, yeah, I 243 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 2: mean not having meets there. 244 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: I mean that probably a high school meets. Now what 245 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 1: they did. I mean, yeah, exactly what you're saying. 246 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be like cross country on your track. Yeah, 247 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: I mean that's what it was for us. It was 248 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 2: just dirt. You graduated high school, Yes. 249 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: I was fortunate enough to graduate high school. And I 250 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: spent a lot of my childhood too in Florida as well, So. 251 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: I don't know about that. 252 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: What do you mean, Well, well, my mom and my 253 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: dad split up, my mom got remarried and moved to 254 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: We moved to just south of Tampa, Bradenton, Florida, which 255 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: is quite the culture shock. So I did. I spent 256 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: like kindergarten through eighth grade for the most part. It 257 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: had a couple of semesters in Arkansas. But I spent 258 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of my like young childhood growing up, 259 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: and then moved back to Arkansas in eighth grade and 260 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: did that. I was a nemo from eighth grade on. 261 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: But so I did have a like my mom, you know, 262 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get into that, but she because the world, 263 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, that thing we were just talking about she 264 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: was very She pushed me to like outside of my 265 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: comfort zone and stuff like that. And so but yeah, 266 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: that's why I have, you know, have an affinity for 267 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: the beach and the water and stuff like that because 268 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: I grew up up there. 269 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: Was there pressure that your mom is a superintendent or 270 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 2: even a teacher, to be good at school. 271 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: I mean it was for me, it was more like 272 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: pressure to not be a knucklehead, you know, like the 273 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: conducts was the was the issue. 274 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: What happened to your dad? 275 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: My dad? My dad? 276 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: I don't know your dad. They're not together. Is he 277 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: still alive? 278 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: No, he passed away in eighteen. He had a he 279 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: had a big heart attack in eighteen. But I mean 280 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: I live, Yeah, I mean we were we were close. 281 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,160 Speaker 1: I lived at my dad's house when I was in 282 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Arkansas for a lot of it. 283 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 2: So was he unhealthy? 284 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Really? Yeah, man, my my dad was You know, 285 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: anybody that anybody from where I'm from, you know, probably 286 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: knows my dad, but or knew my dad. But great dude. 287 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Went went to Nemo Wanna State championship there, play ball 288 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 1: at played basketball at Hendrix and CBC and College in Conway. 289 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 1: And but I mean It's just that lifestyle thing of 290 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: where we're from. It's like, you know, you work, and 291 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: you work hard, and when you come home, the last 292 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: thing you want to do is like get your heart 293 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: rate to eighty five percent on a treadmill for whatever, 294 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, and you know you want to drink about 295 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, twenty four for him, Miller lites a day 296 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: and you know. 297 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: You come home and you don't want to have to 298 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: think about what you just did all day, And how 299 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 2: do you not think about it? It's and I think 300 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 2: that's part of the reason opioids are rocking our areas, right. 301 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: It's like it's cheaper, Yeah, and if things kind of suck, 302 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:57,440 Speaker 2: why would you not? 303 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could see the definite line. I 304 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: mean with my old man, you know, it wouldn't ever 305 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: a real, real big issue. Tell his business started getting 306 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: real busy, and then that that stress and then probably 307 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: with a you know kind of I would guess an 308 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,559 Speaker 1: addicted personality. You would say, between that and dipping two 309 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: kansaskull to day. I mean, it kind of ate him up, dude. 310 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:20,200 Speaker 2: I see, it's funny to hear you talking about this. 311 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: So your dad's ball player, was he tall? I'm assuming. Yeah, okay, 312 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 2: you have an addictive personality too. It's it's I do yes, 313 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: god dang like genetically, we're both versions of what we 314 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: come from, right, And you know, talked at linked about 315 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 2: my story. But dude, you loved gamble. I do enjoy what, dude, 316 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 2: it's like and it probably doesn't even matter what. It 317 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: could probably be golf, it could probably be whatever it is. 318 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: When you're in it seems to be like you are 319 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,439 Speaker 2: on that obsessed line. 320 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, anything that I'm interest and not just 321 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: like you. 322 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: Know, the cards don't get me started. But I won't 323 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 2: tell you all your stuff out there, but I only 324 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 2: I see me. That's how I am too, is why 325 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 2: I bring this up. 326 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: You. 327 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 2: That's you. 328 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair, and I think that would probably I 329 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: think that probably scares my mom a little bit. But 330 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: on some of those things. But there again, you know, 331 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: I do like to I do like to gamble and 332 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that, but I don't think like I could 333 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: if I wanted. I don't think it's that much. Now 334 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm getting defensive, but I mean, yeah, maybe maybe. 335 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying you need to check yourself in somewhere. 336 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I could when you talk about your dad, 337 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: much like I talked about my mom and my biological dad, 338 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: who come from a ton of addiction issues. Yeah, I 339 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 2: feel it constantly, but I I have awareness. This is 340 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 2: the difference of me and them. I think I have 341 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: the ability to have awareness of it because of an 342 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: education which they didn't. They didn't have a chance for it. 343 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 2: There was no such thing like you had to work 344 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: all day all the time. There's no mental health, no 345 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 2: thing as mental health. 346 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: There's nothing. And that's what the that's what the booze 347 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: was for, you know, or that's what that was. Yeah, 348 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: that was mental health or but the you know, and 349 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, my dad was a was a great guy, 350 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: but he comes from a different time and place, you know, 351 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: he was he was like most people's He would remind 352 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: you most people's grandparents, you know, just because when time, 353 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: when you're from place as small as we are, and 354 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 1: time feels like it stands till and moves slower it does, 355 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: and and the people are you know what I'm saying 356 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: like that the update of of that that people get 357 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: generation wise is it doesn't come and in some ways 358 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: that's good, but but it was definitely like a not 359 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: uh we we ain't working out, We ain't breaking the 360 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: sweat unless it's for a dollar. We ain't you know, 361 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: talking about anything or at all, you know, about the 362 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: things that you probably should. 363 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: But he go to your games. 364 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and he he uh yeah. I mean me 365 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: and my dad were close. We uh, you know, he 366 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: came to games and stuff like that. He wasn't big 367 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: on me being in music, but. 368 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: How would he be. I mean, honestly, it's how I 369 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: talk about my parents. That's that's Disneyland. 370 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. My mom was though, and and uh, you know, 371 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: I think but also like I don't you know, I mean, 372 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: I remember my dad sitting me down. We were just, 373 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, watching a ball game, and we were 374 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, he's wanting me to come to 375 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: work for him, and I did not want to do 376 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: that because my brother did. And it's just like he 377 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: wanted me around, but he didn't necessarily you know, like 378 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: whatever the dynamic there. But you know, I didn't want 379 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: to do it. And I was you know, I was 380 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: just playing in any bar that would have me, and 381 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: I was staying busy, but like you know, I'm playing 382 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: filling the blank bar and hoping that they'll mute the 383 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: TV as much less turn them off. And this is 384 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: like twenty, you know, twenty actually you know, maybe a 385 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: little older than that, maybe like after after college, maybe 386 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: grad school. And he was just like, hey man, no 387 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: kid yourself with this music stuff. And h I remember 388 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: him telling me that. But it wasn't like, you know, 389 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: there's been some some things that you know, that had 390 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: been said to me in my life that had hit 391 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: me like a just a punch in the in the 392 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: chest and hurt. That didn't no more bother me than anything. 393 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: I just went, oh, you don't get it. And I 394 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: never stopped me one time. Had Mom told me that, 395 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: you know, coming from a supportive place, I may have 396 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: taken a little differently like to heart maybe, but that 397 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: shit rolled off. I'm sorry, it rolled off like a 398 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: water off a ducks back. It didn't bother me. And 399 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: it was coming from a place of you're gonna let 400 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: an opportunity in this oil and gas thing pass you by. 401 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is you could do this, you could whatever, 402 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: be in charge, you could make a good living. You're 403 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: throwing this away. And my thinking was that this is 404 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: not enough money or opportunity, and it was I shouldn't 405 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: say that way my twenties and doing what I was 406 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: doing and staying busy with a guitar on my hand 407 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: and making my own way, that was a big part 408 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: of it. Felt like it was more a better use 409 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: of my time. And luckily maybe I was right. 410 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 2: But TVD whenever jury's out, whenever I because I was 411 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 2: the first kid to graduate high school, much less go 412 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 2: to college than graduate college from my family or like 413 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: that second ring, just nobody did it. So when I went, 414 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:09,679 Speaker 2: I remember my mom being like, what are you going 415 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: to study? Like what do you I don't even think 416 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 2: she knew major unless it was some TV. And I 417 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna study like radio TV. She was like, 418 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: be a doctor. She was like, that's why would you 419 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: do that? Why would you waste time doing something none 420 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 2: of us have ever done? And you're gonna go and 421 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 2: throw it away? 422 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: And obviously you were good at math and science, you know. 423 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: So and now as were you though like you had 424 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 2: You're not don't do the thing. You're not a smart guy, 425 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 2: you know. I get so annoyedbyut it down. 426 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: I am, but I'm not like no, I was never Yeah, 427 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: I mean I can get, I get, I do all right, 428 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: but but like I'm talking specifically in the kind of 429 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: course work that would get you to where you would 430 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: go you had you had a proclivity for it. 431 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: My see, he says, I'm dumb, then he used to 432 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 2: wear proclivity. I want everybody to know. My point is 433 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 2: ability was currency. It was the number one currency for 434 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 2: how we grew up. And my mom saw the ability 435 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 2: for me to have stability and was so disappointed even 436 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 2: that I was not going to pursue that because she 437 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: didn't have it, her parents didn't have it. And much 438 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 2: like your situation or anybody that comes from a small town, 439 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 2: if there's the opportunity for stability and you don't grab it, 440 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: people think you're out of your mind because it's what 441 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 2: they've been searching for the whole time, right exactly. And 442 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: I say that in like, in the most respectful way, 443 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 2: and that I remember mom being so disappointed in me 444 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 2: for not being a doctor a lawyer, but I had 445 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: no interest. But also I understood that I was never 446 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 2: going to be happy doing anything other than doing what 447 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 2: I wanted to do. Even if I failed doing it, 448 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 2: then I could always try to go back and do 449 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 2: something in that world when you go to college. Where 450 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: do you go to college? 451 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: I went to Drew. 452 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: Is that close to home? 453 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,959 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it didn't seem like it. Springfield was there, 454 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: I mean it was yeah. I mean so it was 455 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: you know, three and something hours from home, but it 456 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: felt like a different place. They talked different, they ate different. 457 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 2: That's if you want to drive home, it's you can 458 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: get there in a day. 459 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. 460 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: But also you can't just go home, so it's like 461 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 2: the perfect Yeah, you're not going to go home and 462 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 2: come back the same day, uless, it's an emergency. If 463 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: you need to, you can. How is that? How was 464 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 2: that school? 465 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: Like I did? I did? Man? It was Drey was 466 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: great to me. You know, I was forcun enough to 467 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: get to play ball uh there and made some lifetime 468 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: friends went through. I mean, you know, I got a degree, 469 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, from from Dury and you know, like honors 470 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But you know the thing that 471 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: the things that I learned the most that shape me 472 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: the most right on up there with my degree and 473 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: like critical thinking is well, my degree is in philosophy. 474 00:20:55,840 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: That's a thing. Now I'm now his dad, dude, that's 475 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 2: you're an unstable act. Dang, that's great there, go ahead, 476 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: go ahead. 477 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean I was just going to 478 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: say that that college sports was the thing that that 479 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: I I got a lot out of that and I 480 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: needed it and I and I didn't like it. I 481 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 1: hated it at the time, like. 482 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 2: You didn't like plaintball. 483 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: No, And I was on some good teams. Man, it 484 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: was I mean it was every bit of joy and 485 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: was just kind of like sucked it. I turned it 486 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: into a job that I didn't want to go to. 487 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: But then you know, you're getting you school paid for, 488 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: so it's like but now, looking back, I mean I'm 489 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: even very tight with my coach from then, and he 490 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 1: and I were not tight at the time. 491 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 2: So so then you got a scholarship, Yeah, from a 492 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: Class B school. 493 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah? 494 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: Were you just dominant in freaking high school? Were you 495 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: just running over those kids? 496 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: My well, my senior my junior year, I mean I 497 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: was okay. My senior year, I was pretty good average, 498 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't like thirty or so. Yeah. Yeah, I mean 499 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: I was good in high I mean I was pretty 500 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: good ballplayer. But it was a Class A school, you know, 501 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: in the part of the state. We're at Like, what 502 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: got me good was in summers going to play AAU 503 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: and playing against black kids and yeah, you know, athletic 504 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: and going down forced to be at play up. Yeah, 505 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: and then going down to you know, going to Conway 506 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: to the rec center and you know, playing people bigger 507 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 1: and older and stronger than me and more athletic. 508 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: Is that where you played Lebron? 509 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: I played Lebron And I actually just joined a team 510 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: up in Akron, Ohio for a tournament because the guy coach, 511 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: John Saucier Or was a guy's name. I haven't talked 512 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 1: to him forever, and somehow my stepdad, who uh great dude, 513 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: My stepdad got in touch with him somehow and they 514 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: had me come up and I played a tournament with 515 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: an AU tournament up in Akron, and I played against 516 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: Lebron up there with I played against Lebron with his 517 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: high school team, like on the team of a couple 518 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: of his high school teamates. So let's watch the video 519 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: you my mom taped over that video is a great story. 520 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: My mom taped over the tape of that. 521 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: Not knowing, not knowing And what is your record over 522 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 2: I don't know, Like. 523 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: It's like Gilligan's Island exactly something some some movie because 524 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: back had written a four dollar movie off of Prime Star. 525 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: Satellite was like that was like, oh easy, you can't 526 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: hide money and so and so they put the vhs 527 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: in they're and taped it over. I don't know if 528 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: my mom tapes it. Someone tapes it over. 529 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 6: Anyway, Let's take a quick pause for a message from 530 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 6: our sponsor, and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 531 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: Whenever I was in seventh grade, I moved moved up. 532 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 2: It's such a lame. At the time, I thought I 533 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:47,959 Speaker 2: was cool, and now I think I'm cool, but there 534 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 2: was like ten years where it wasn't cool. I moved 535 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: up and was on the senior high Quiz Bowl team, 536 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 2: and so I would go up and I would play 537 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 2: against the the smarter kids, just like you would go 538 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: and play the more athletic, either the older kids or 539 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: the black athletes, or bigger and faster. I went to 540 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 2: a black school, so we would just. 541 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: We had a somebody. We were a little diverse, but 542 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 1: not not. 543 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: We were the school that had black kids. So I 544 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: got to be pretty rough out there where the coaches 545 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 2: would be like hey, everywhere we went there, people were racist. 546 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: It was awful. 547 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: I mean it was yeah, man, you know, not quis ball. 548 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 2: They were never racist quick ball, right, not to me. 549 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 2: But I moved up to play with and quiz ball. 550 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 2: It is my lame story. I move up play against 551 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 2: eleven twelfth graders and it made me freaking a lot 552 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 2: better everywhere I was in seventh grade, eighth grade, crushing 553 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: twelfth graders. 554 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: It gives you. It gives you a kind of confidence 555 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: that you can't you earn, a kind of confidence that 556 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: no one can give to you, no matter how much 557 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: they want for you. Like either you go, even if 558 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 1: you like I would go. I wasn't like dominant on 559 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: these AAU teams or whatever, but I was playing against 560 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: people that were good, and I was playing against other 561 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 1: good athletes, and you know, you just you get that 562 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: confidence when you come back. And I'm sure it was 563 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: that maybe that way for sure. 564 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 2: After beating eleventh twelfth graders then playing ninth graders again, dude, 565 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 2: you guys been knowing, Yeah, I was nobody rocked up 566 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: my door like I dude, that's it. So you graduate 567 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: from Drury, you got your degree in philosophy, you're playing 568 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 2: music in college. 569 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: The whole time I started in college. Man, I so basketball, 570 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,240 Speaker 1: you're on a you know, you're there the whole winter break. 571 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: You don't go home because that's when the season is, 572 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: so you got a month off the noddle class. So 573 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm sitting in in my in my like college dorm, 574 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: my apartment, and we're all playing Tiger Woods on PlayStation 575 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 1: and that's fun. But uh, I just picked up a guitar. 576 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 1: Mama got me one when I was like twelve, but 577 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: I never, you know, messed with it on that Christmas morning, like, 578 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: you know, a little little honer like guitar. 579 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: Why did you get you on? 580 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: Though? 581 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 2: Did you have an interest when you were twelve or 582 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: you just see? 583 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: My family's pretty musical. My mom's side, both both sides 584 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: kind of my mom's side is very musical, like my 585 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: you know, both of my cousins had record deals and 586 00:25:54,320 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: and you know they're musical, you know. My and I 587 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: I could always, like, you know, sing, I guess I 588 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: never thought that I could, you know. I was like, oh, 589 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: everybody sings to the radio, whatever, everybody loves music. I 590 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: knew every song on the radio, every song. But I 591 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,400 Speaker 1: just thought that's what the radio was for. I thought 592 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: that's what people did. 593 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 2: Like you had a natural ability to memorize. 594 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: I could hear it. I mean I could hear a 595 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: song a time or two and just kind of know it, 596 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: Like I don't you know music it's its own Could 597 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,959 Speaker 1: you know that with buck stuff? I mean if they 598 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: rhymed and no, I'm kidding. 599 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, can rock green eggs? 600 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I don't know. I just I love music. 601 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: But I love music the way that people love biscuits, 602 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: Like I just thought everybody loved them. Like I was like, oh, yeah, 603 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: this is this is the best. I love it. And 604 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: I found out in college like no, I really have 605 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 1: a passion for this. And then I picked up a 606 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,719 Speaker 1: guitar and I could kind of do it, and I 607 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: just kept doing it. And I as soon as I 608 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: could rub four chords together, I mean I was learning 609 00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: in my dormer in front of you tube, you know, 610 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: or coord you know, the tab websites. And as soon 611 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080 Speaker 1: as I could mashed four chords together and kind of 612 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: understood how things went together, I started writing songs. And 613 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. I mean, even to 614 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: this day, you know, to me, in my head, I'm 615 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: a songwriter. That that's also an artist, you know, not 616 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: the other way around. 617 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: Where did you play first in front of people? 618 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: There was a there was a bar venue that opened 619 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: up in the middle of nowhere, southwest Missouri, in between 620 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: Springfield and Joplin, Missouri, called the Snorty Horse, and they 621 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: it was it was it was Texas country, red dirt 622 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: country music. So all these bands that were coming through, 623 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: Randy Rogers and Ragweed at the time, and Stoney LaRue 624 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: and Turnpike at one point, and you know, several other 625 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: bands would you know when they're coming through play in 626 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: the Midwest. That was just a stop and they would 627 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: they would stop and play at this crappy bar. That 628 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: changed my life. And I met the owner. He came 629 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: over to my college apartment. I played a couple of songs, 630 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: like dude, we got to get. 631 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,360 Speaker 2: You there, and he came to your college apartment. 632 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 1: He was like yeah. It was like a friend of 633 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: a friend. It was like he's opening this bar and 634 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: I didn't you know. I was like, okay, cool, what 635 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: is you know? 636 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: He didn't come to scout either, He just knew somebody 637 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 2: and happened to beat there. 638 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: They were like, hey, this guy plays guitar at the 639 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: dorm and at the at the you know frat houses 640 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: occasionally like take a guitar over, we check them out, whatever. 641 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: And so we came over and he was like, oh, dude, 642 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: we got to get you in here playing and so 643 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: I played like a writer's round with me and three 644 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: other guys. And that was the first time. And yeah, 645 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of people from school came and that was cool. 646 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: They used to send like charter buses out there to 647 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: get people there and back. It was about a forty 648 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: minute drive. 649 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, did you guys have like wet and dry 650 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: counties where they was up there in Missouri? 651 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: No, they didn't. It was all wet counties. 652 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: But because because we had to go, we like, I 653 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 2: partied none but in Arkadelphia, Dry County. So he had 654 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: to drive forty minutes to get. 655 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: To a bar the Center Ridge where I'm from Conway County. 656 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: We were the only wet county. Like I'm I'm from 657 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: the wet county. Like we met Okay in the meet 658 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: and greet they got I see it was from Geary's 659 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: Ferry and he was like, he's a worry from the Sinneries. 660 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: So that's where we buy our beer. All people go 661 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,120 Speaker 1: to the Chuck Wagon races. Like now, it's wet everything, 662 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: but back in the day, since Conway County was the 663 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: only wet county around. 664 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: Is that foreign to you? Wet and Dray counties. 665 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, because in Texas everything was wet. 666 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: So if we were to have said wet and dry, 667 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: would you you just had a context clue that. 668 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 5: No. I figured it out when I was in high 669 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 5: school and I went to see my buddy in North Texas, 670 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 5: in East Texas, Tyler, Texas, and that's when I. 671 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 2: Was introduced to But were they they had to be 672 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: wet though, right. 673 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: No, they had dry counties there in Texas. They did 674 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 5: Northeast Texas, dry counties, South Texas. 675 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 2: Dude's all wet. You couldn't buy beer on Sundays a 676 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 2: lot of growing up. 677 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: Sunday's holiday. You still can't buy beer on Sundays. You 678 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 1: can't buy packaged beer in Arkansas. 679 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 2: I don't buy beer at all, So I don't know. 680 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 2: I just remember everybody at my house being upset. You 681 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 2: couldn't buy beer on Sunday. So you go Saturday night 682 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: sometimes before the store closed, and they'd make a run. 683 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh they'll go put you know, they'll go put 684 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: a path off on the on the cooler ridge of 685 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,440 Speaker 1: shale or whatever. At the at the liquor store were. 686 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, that's crazy to think about it. 687 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 1: You just traveled the South and it's like you cross 688 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,959 Speaker 1: all these lines, it's like who has the most interesting 689 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: booze loss? Because it changes town to town. 690 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 5: I remember in college, so in Huntsville, Texas, all the 691 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 5: bars closed it too. But if you drove twenty minutes north, 692 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 5: you changed county across the county line and there was 693 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 5: a bar. 694 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: One bar. 695 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 5: It's almost like boots scoot and boogie like that what 696 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 5: it sounds like. That stayed open till whenever everyone wanted 697 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 5: to leave. 698 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 1: The Electric Cawboy. 699 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 2: We opened Lena Rock six am. When I moved to Austin, 700 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: and I could not believe things closed it too. It 701 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 2: was unbelievable because we would go to Electric Cowboy and 702 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 2: you know, it was Billy Rays. I was the Nelly. 703 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 2: It was one of those places until the sun came 704 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 2: up and there were no rules, but we had Sundays 705 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,080 Speaker 2: you couldn't buy beer. And then we were a dry 706 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: county going to college and you'd have to drive forty minutes. 707 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 2: Like you said, so that's what they did. They bust 708 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 2: everybody out. So how many When did you get paid 709 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 2: the first time? Did you get paid that night? 710 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? I got paid you know something that night, you 711 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: know for I mean maybe fifty bucks or I don't 712 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: remember what it was. 713 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 2: So then you're you finish up a jury. You did 714 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: continue your education? 715 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: I did? Why? Uh, so that I could keep playing music. Really, 716 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, I thought, for a minute, I 717 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 1: wanted to go into academia. I thought I wanted to, 718 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, be some kind of like I don't know, 719 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: public intellectual, maybe not be the best way, Maybe I 720 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I wanted to be a thinker. And I thought, Okay, 721 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: I want to study this stuff I'm interested in. I 722 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: got my degree is in so my my undergraduate degrees 723 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: in philosophy and religion. And when I went and got 724 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 1: my master's, I was really trying to do like an 725 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: American Studies program, which is like social critique, kind of 726 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: like getting that kind of thing. But Arkansas didn't Drew 727 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: started a program. But then whatever, I ended up at 728 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: Arkansas and I got my degrees in communication, but I 729 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: basically have a degree in rhetoric and like power struggles 730 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: between groups and people. 731 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: So you moved from Springfield to Faetteville, I did, And 732 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,479 Speaker 2: did you start to do the favevel bars or did 733 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: you do all of Arkansas? You got like sticky Fingers and. 734 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: I did all that. Yeah, I mean shout out to 735 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: shout out to stickies into rev room. They always great 736 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: to me, Susan there is fantastic and uh but yeah, 737 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean I was playing up in Faetteville, played Georgia's 738 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: a Bunch and because I was always like I would 739 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: play cover stuff, but I was always playing original music too, 740 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: Like I never was just like go up there, tip 741 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: him to play freebird guy. You know. I occasionally, you know, 742 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: I would play covers, but it'd be like what I 743 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: wanted was just like looking back, it's like going to 744 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: a bar and playing the songs you want to play 745 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: is like not maybe the best. 746 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 2: Like it's all b sides from Hollin really moved me. 747 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm playing songs that a lot of people 748 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 1: hadn't heard. It was so niche because it was like 749 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: the stuff that I liked and I hadn't made the 750 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: connection of like the difference like the other night when 751 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: we were talking, like we played those shows in Atlanta 752 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: and Mobile, and Atlanta was a sit down theater and 753 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: Mobile was a stand up like fin you yeah, but 754 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean in a good way. It was like people, people, you. 755 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 7: Sold out a bar with we We sold out a 756 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 7: bar with five eight hundred people there mashed to the front, 757 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 7: singing the words to my stuff and yelling the words 758 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 7: to your stuff. 759 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: And that's cool and that's fun. But the night before 760 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: we did the kind of the same thing and a 761 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: little smaller thing with people. It's like a sit down 762 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: thing where it's kind of sit down and listen. And really, 763 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,920 Speaker 1: till you said that the other night, I really kind 764 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,719 Speaker 1: of hadn't put it in those stark of like terms before. 765 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: But like I was always someone who wanted people to 766 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: like listen to what I was saying a little bit more, 767 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: and that's cool and everything. It's just a different kind 768 00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: of music lately and a different kind of thing, so 769 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, bridging, you know, those kind of gaps or whatever. 770 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 2: But yeah, you saved us night too, because night one, 771 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 2: I we did two charity shows and so when I 772 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: we do those type of shows, my team and Matt's team, 773 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 2: they didn't. They're not the ones to set them up. 774 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 2: We let the charity and the local just go like 775 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 2: we have a venue. That way, we're not and we 776 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 2: don't take any money, so we're not involved in any money. 777 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 2: So they set up the venues and we just show 778 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 2: up and play and they give all the money to 779 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: the hospital. 780 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: Say Jude yes. 781 00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: And so with that we kind of don't have a set. 782 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 2: You lose a little bit of power and not taking 783 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 2: the power. So we show up to I want and 784 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 2: it's very much what I would. 785 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: Prefer to be. 786 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 2: It's a theater ish setting because I'll only do theaters 787 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 2: at this point because I need people to hear what 788 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,760 Speaker 2: I have to say. Cause I'm not good at music. 789 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: You know, I'm not good at I can't sing. I 790 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840 Speaker 2: can sing just good enough so it's not distracting away 791 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 2: from the joke. And like, I know that's my superpower 792 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 2: and that luckily Eddie can't sing and Eddie canp play. 793 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,439 Speaker 2: But I know that I can sing just good enough 794 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: that my bad singing does not distract from the quality 795 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: of the joke. And if we're not in an environment 796 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: where I can't tell the joke. Torture Night two was 797 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 2: that wasn't a bar? Now always to have a full band. 798 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 2: We would play festival to tryp with and that's different 799 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,839 Speaker 2: because you can hide behind that a little bit. Sure, 800 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 2: So it was just lean over to Matt and be like, dude, 801 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: play play big colors along. I felt it. 802 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,080 Speaker 1: I mean, but it's it's cool like I but also 803 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've done that stuff, so not that y'all 804 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: haven't done it a lot, but like a barstool of 805 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 1: me and a guitar is like, I'm not really, things 806 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: are gonna be okay, Like we're going to figure that out. 807 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: And we did. We played a bunch of covers, we 808 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,400 Speaker 1: played a bunch of original stuff. And but I've always 809 00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: done that And I always wanted to be a songwriter. 810 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: And all my favorite artists, especially the ones that I 811 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,400 Speaker 1: was really getting into when I was first of getting started, 812 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: were all people that were writing a lot of their 813 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: own songs. You know. Co writing is something I mean 814 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about that being writing to and and not exclusively, 815 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: but but a lot of them were doing that, and 816 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted to do. That's what I really 817 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 1: respected in those in those artists, and looking back and 818 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: even in that kind of music now that I still 819 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, have an affinity for like the kind of Americana, 820 00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, Texas red dirt kind of stuff. You know, 821 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 1: the thing that stands out is it's not always the 822 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: best quality, and a lot of it's bad, but the 823 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: stuff that's good is really good because it's so independent 824 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: and unique and so you know, it's like you have 825 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,240 Speaker 1: to deal with things not being as good as Nashville 826 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: because Nashville, it doesn't matter if the song is like whatever, Nashville, 827 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: everyone is awesome. 828 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 2: You know that is in a student observation, mister thinker. 829 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 2: I never thought about it like that, and you're right, 830 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 2: living in Texas for a long time as well, the 831 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: red dirt, the tech, whatever you want to assign to it. 832 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: There's some bad stuff, but the best is awesome. 833 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: The best is awesome because it's original. It's like it's 834 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: like garage bands. It's but it's like it's like, but 835 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: it's a barn, not a garage. 836 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 2: I never thought of it like that, and that that's 837 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 2: why a lot of it, the quality seems at times 838 00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: cheaper until it is almost revolutionary that Nashville then wants 839 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: to steal and shine. 840 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: Up right, And that's the thing with Nashville is like 841 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,359 Speaker 1: they can't help but to make everything good. And it 842 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,600 Speaker 1: does sterilize it a little bit sometimes now. But the 843 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: thing is, though, like when I was that age and 844 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: starting to play music everything on the radio, I say everything, 845 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: but a lot of the radio the format was changing 846 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: and it became you did not hear songs about whiskey 847 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,040 Speaker 1: and women and heartbreak, and you heard songs about how 848 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: awesome it was to be a dad. 849 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,399 Speaker 2: Adult is very country, is very adult. 850 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: When we were kids, yes, it was very much like 851 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: all of these songs about how I love being a 852 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: dad and husband and how much I love I am 853 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 1: with Faith Hill, and like. 854 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 2: It's about where you're from and what it was like 855 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,240 Speaker 2: to be an adult, Like those are the two themes. 856 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but even still it got away from like 857 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: the where I'm from stuff. It was anyway. I mean, 858 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: I said it, but that just did not respond. I 859 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,879 Speaker 1: didn't get it at all. And I would rather hear 860 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: songs that were written with a different bucket of cliches 861 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,560 Speaker 1: about whiskey and the road. That just was cooler to me. 862 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: But now that I've been in it, I understand, Like 863 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: when you move to Nashville, I don't care who you are, 864 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 1: Like everyone is so good when you get there, and 865 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: it's intimidating. And a lot of that backlash against Nashville 866 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: is because a it can be a little sterile because 867 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,839 Speaker 1: it's all so good, but but it's also because it's 868 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: it's really hard to be good in Nashville. 869 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 2: I think, too sterile. And that's the word that I 870 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 2: would use initially as well, because it feels like that. 871 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 2: But there's so much money invested in it that and 872 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 2: the people are so good, and if you're investing a 873 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 2: lot of money in something, especially the major labels, it 874 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: feels sterile because they've got to make sure that there's 875 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 2: a quality. And sometimes if you're making sure there's a 876 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 2: certain quality, a little bit of the risk isn't there. 877 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. And also you can't have that, you 878 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 1: can't have the counterpoint, like you can't have punk music 879 00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 1: without rock music or pop music have it without it 880 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: punk music without pop music is doesn't make sense. 881 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 2: There's no counterculture without culture exactly. 882 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,399 Speaker 1: There's no counterculture without culture, and yeah, it's very hard 883 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: to try to find that, and it's hard to the 884 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: good thing about counterculture is even though a lot of 885 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: it's bad, like just not good, and the stuff that 886 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: is as special, it's because you can't really manufacture it now. 887 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 2: And I think that's red dirt, right. I think that's 888 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,319 Speaker 2: counterculture to the culture of Nashville country music. And the 889 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 2: punk thing is so right on too, because man, that's 890 00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 2: garbage unless it was awesome, unless it makes excunless it 891 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 2: was awesome, and then changed pop music and then changed 892 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 2: culture because counterculture became so strong. 893 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: And like Zach Bryan's songs are cool because they have 894 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: an authenticity to them because of how they sound. And 895 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: I think, you know the newer I'm not here. I'm 896 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,720 Speaker 1: trying to make a point. Nothing about good or bad 897 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: in terms of what you like or quality or whatever. 898 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 1: But if Zach Brian wrote those songs and took them 899 00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: into a room in Nashville and they and they made 900 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,360 Speaker 1: the sound awesome, they would be less cool. 901 00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 2: And there'd be more percussion. A lot of standard record 902 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,839 Speaker 2: label editions would have been added to those songs because 903 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,400 Speaker 2: they would have felt it was safer because if we 904 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 2: only put out a bunch of these ballads without percussion, 905 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 2: without all this instrumentation, well it's probably not going to work. 906 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: We can't invest our money in something that it's probably 907 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 2: not going to work because it's a corporation and a 908 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 2: bottom line. So what makes it great also makes it 909 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 2: not revolutionary. 910 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, it really does. Like you lose something by 911 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: cleaning it up. 912 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 8: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 913 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 8: Bobby Cast. 914 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 2: So you graduate from University of Arkansas, I get a master's. 915 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: Now what, Well, at that point, you know, I was 916 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: just trying to keep a calendar busy. I mean, I 917 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: went to grad school because I just really do of 918 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,040 Speaker 1: learning stuff. And I'm real good at it if I'm 919 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,759 Speaker 1: interested in it, like I'm real Maybe that maybe that's 920 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: an addictive personality trait, but like when I'm in, I'm 921 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,560 Speaker 1: all in, and like I'm I'm pretty good at that. 922 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: But when I don't, when I'm not interested, I'm very 923 00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: not good at it. But I got done with my masters, 924 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:18,880 Speaker 1: and the whole time I was doing that, I was 925 00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: really grad school. You know, I was a teaching assistant, 926 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 1: so you know, I was fortunate enough to get you know, 927 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: my school whatever largely taken care of with that. And 928 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,799 Speaker 1: I mean grad classes you're taking like two or three 929 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: classes a semester, you know, and so the time demands 930 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: my classes are CHOOSDA, you know, like Monday through Thursday nights, 931 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: you know typically, and so I've got all weekend to 932 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,439 Speaker 1: play music, and I can play music during the week 933 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, on Dixon Street or wherever. And and so 934 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:55,160 Speaker 1: a lot of that was just like I wasn't ready. 935 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: And sometimes they looking back, we all would do stuff different. 936 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,759 Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes I wish I would have just said, no, man, 937 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,319 Speaker 1: I'm going to Nashville, I'm gonna make this music thing work, 938 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,640 Speaker 1: or no, I'm going into Bronfos or Austin or whatever, 939 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this. But for me, I had to 940 00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:12,719 Speaker 1: feel like I had to feel like, you know, I 941 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 1: had I guess a quote unquote backup plan maybe that's 942 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,040 Speaker 1: the best way to put it, but that I was 943 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: gaining ground. It's something when I was you know, while 944 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't playing music, you know, where was. 945 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 2: The fulcrum of I might be good enough at this, 946 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 2: or I have the confidence in this to do it 947 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: for a long time, because at some point that's got 948 00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 2: to creep in and be the central part of all, Right, 949 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 2: this is even though I'm going to graduate, this is 950 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 2: the objective is now to do country music and make money. 951 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean even after I graduated, I went 952 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: and work for went back and worked on the popeline 953 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: for my dad and worked on the farm for my 954 00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: grandma a couple a couple of years there. Because you know, 955 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: my dad was always good about He never gave me 956 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: any trouble if I needed to get off, you know, 957 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 1: if I need to be off on a Friday to 958 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: go drive the you know, Manhattan, Kansas for you know, 959 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bucks or whatever it was. 960 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,040 Speaker 2: But did you think while you were doing that that 961 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 2: could be your career or are you just doing it 962 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:15,879 Speaker 2: because you loved it? Like when was the point where 963 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 2: you thought, I'm built, I'm investing myself because I think 964 00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 2: this could be the future. 965 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 1: Well, I just man. As bad as it is to say, 966 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,680 Speaker 1: I like, I had this, like I did in my 967 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: mind to where I wanted to be and what I 968 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,319 Speaker 1: wanted to be was one of these te I wanted 969 00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: to be a Texas artist with a bus. Having a 970 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:35,120 Speaker 1: bus was like the thing, being able to play enough 971 00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: music to need one and to afford one. I was like, 972 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,440 Speaker 1: these guys are this is awesome? Like if you can 973 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 1: make I didn't like, I was like, if I can 974 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,959 Speaker 1: make whatever money. If I can pay my house bill, 975 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, pay a mortgage and have a bus, and 976 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,600 Speaker 1: that's the size of my band. I'm great. That's all 977 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,279 Speaker 1: I need. You know, I was being a pirate out 978 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: on the high seas, you know, doing swashbuckling and doing 979 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: all the things, and I just saw that's what I saw. 980 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: That was the goal, I suppose, and that just kept 981 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: the fire in me to just like play all of 982 00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: these shows. I mean, nothing made me happier than a 983 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: calendar that you had to scroll down on to see 984 00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 1: all the dates and I didn't care what they were. 985 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:18,360 Speaker 2: Did you ever get a bus? 986 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 1: Now, I didn't get a bus on into Nashville, so. 987 00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,640 Speaker 2: You didn't get a bus then, But the goal was 988 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 2: to get a bus. 989 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,759 Speaker 1: The goals to get a bus, And you know I 990 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: fell in Casey Donahue was really good to me. His wife. 991 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: They managed me for a little bit, and I mean saw, 992 00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: I guess some potential and I don't care what anyone says, 993 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 1: like I should say. Like for me, I needed some 994 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: outside validation because I was looking around going like in 995 00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,279 Speaker 1: my head I'm thinking like I'm as good as the 996 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:48,239 Speaker 1: person that I'm seeing tonight at this show, and I 997 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know what, you know, I think I can do this, 998 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,240 Speaker 1: Like I had that confidence, but it took someone investing 999 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,160 Speaker 1: some time and some money in me to where it 1000 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: was like real, you know, validating. And so I wrote 1001 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,759 Speaker 1: a couple of songs with Casey and and you know, 1002 00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,799 Speaker 1: Texas has its own music chart, and you know, he 1003 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,520 Speaker 1: puts out a single and he goes, you know, number one. 1004 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: So I have like a number one on the Texas chart. 1005 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,719 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm writing songs, you know, that's my thing, 1006 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: right and I'm putting out original music and touring on that. 1007 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,239 Speaker 1: And I moved to Nashville. You know, I started going 1008 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 1: to Nashville. I think I'm gonna be there like a week, 1009 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,160 Speaker 1: week and month, you know, and do this thing, which 1010 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: like in hindsight, was like, dude, no one does that 1011 00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: unless you're already a huge artist or a huge writer. 1012 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: You don't start by dipping your toe in. You pull 1013 00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: your toe out later. But that's what I thought. I 1014 00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,320 Speaker 1: started moving to Nashville. Had a friend that lived and 1015 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: would just like let me rent his room out in 1016 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:48,240 Speaker 1: his house, And slowly but surely, I was just like, Okay, 1017 00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna just be in Nashville. I'm gonna play less shows, 1018 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,280 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get a publishing deal. That's all I wanted, 1019 00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,480 Speaker 1: was app. I just wanted to write song. I thought 1020 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,799 Speaker 1: all my problems not problems, but I thought like that's 1021 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: what I needed. And then in a way I was right, 1022 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, like I got a published deil. Finally I 1023 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,120 Speaker 1: was in town like two and some years before I 1024 00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: got a published deal. I had some offers, but. 1025 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,360 Speaker 2: Found like left were going back and forth to say. 1026 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: I was there. I was living in Nashville at that time, 1027 00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:15,600 Speaker 1: you know, kind of full full time. 1028 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,359 Speaker 2: Well then what major commit to just go and live 1029 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 2: in Nashville. What was that moment? 1030 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 1: I think it was, you know, I'd had that success 1031 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,919 Speaker 1: in the Texas world, and I thought, oh I can. 1032 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,360 Speaker 1: I feel like I can do this, you know, I 1033 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,960 Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I don't say this in terms 1034 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,799 Speaker 1: of like quality of music. I'm just saying this in 1035 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,800 Speaker 1: terms of size of market. I felt like, you know, 1036 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: if I could do it in double A, maybe I 1037 00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:36,920 Speaker 1: could do it in the Major's kind of thing, you know, 1038 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: just in terms of size of things. And and then 1039 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: I was also looking around there were people doing what 1040 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,239 Speaker 1: I wanted to do. In Nashville. You know, they were 1041 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: like they were older than me. But like Darryl Scott, 1042 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,560 Speaker 1: who is one of a hero of mine, wrote songs 1043 00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,279 Speaker 1: that artists cut. I wanted to be the guy that 1044 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: wrote songs for big artists like Jaron Johnson. That was 1045 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: Catllait three, right, I wanted. I wanted to do that. 1046 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,799 Speaker 1: I want to be like you know, like everyone wants 1047 00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 1: to be Stableton. But you know what I mean, like 1048 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,960 Speaker 1: career trajectory wise, I wanted to write big country songs, 1049 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: but then I wanted to have my cool ass little 1050 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,560 Speaker 1: indie country band. 1051 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 2: Like niche career while writing songs to really fund fund 1052 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: your niche career. 1053 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, like I wanted a tour enough to have Again, 1054 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in a bus doing these markets, 1055 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,719 Speaker 1: but I wanted to be cool, and I didn't you know, 1056 00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,320 Speaker 1: songs on the radio. There were some cool ones, but 1057 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,360 Speaker 1: there again we were talking about like there were songs 1058 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:34,720 Speaker 1: about being a dad whatever. Cool and that's what I wanted. 1059 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,279 Speaker 1: So I moved to Nashville, got the publishing deal and 1060 00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,759 Speaker 1: started writing and started getting these rooms. And then you 1061 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,160 Speaker 1: know the learning curve. Because I started playing so late, 1062 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: I always felt like I was behind, so that probably 1063 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,080 Speaker 1: built fire too. Like you know, if I had an 1064 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,800 Speaker 1: off there, I was writing, I was working on something, 1065 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 1: and I moved to Nashville, finally got a publishing deal, 1066 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 1: and about six months into that publishing deal, I think 1067 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 1: I write Prayed for You with a couple people in 1068 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,359 Speaker 1: town and my manager at the time, and Alison Velt 1069 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: shout out Alison the songs about her husband, and I 1070 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,600 Speaker 1: wrote Pray for You, and I I thought we had 1071 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,239 Speaker 1: written a good song that day, but I I had 1072 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,480 Speaker 1: no idea. It was like gonna be a life changing 1073 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: hit song and no idea. And so my publishing company 1074 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,960 Speaker 1: were putting out an EP and they're like, we should 1075 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,920 Speaker 1: put these songs, and my publishers like, man, you should 1076 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: put Pray for You on there too. 1077 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,840 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, well, let me stop you for 1078 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 2: a second, because if you wrote write Prayed for You, 1079 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:33,759 Speaker 2: you three were just together generally writing, and then your 1080 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 2: publisher were just going to go and pitch the song. 1081 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 2: You aren't writing for anything specific. She didn't have anybody 1082 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,120 Speaker 2: in mind, so I. 1083 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,440 Speaker 1: Think they were. I mean, I think we were kind 1084 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: of writing for We were writing for me, because you know, 1085 00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:47,600 Speaker 1: the idea was like we're gonna put an EP together. 1086 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,160 Speaker 1: I get, you know, pitched to lay, We'll see we 1087 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,760 Speaker 1: get some traction. 1088 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,160 Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to know, Like what was the 1089 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 2: purpose of the right to me? 1090 00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 1: I was in there writing this song that is like 1091 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm proud to say it's a good song. I'm really 1092 00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: proud of that song. It's not the kind of music 1093 00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: that I thought I would be making, you know from 1094 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,839 Speaker 1: what we just talked about. But I wrote that song 1095 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,720 Speaker 1: and I was, you know, cool awesome, wrote. 1096 00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,160 Speaker 2: A good song the day you finished. Did you think 1097 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 2: it was good? 1098 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was good. 1099 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:12,920 Speaker 2: You say it was for you? 1100 00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't. I didn't know, Like I had 1101 00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,560 Speaker 1: never written a hit song before, Like I wasn't one 1102 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 1: of these guys that just moved to town. And like lightning, 1103 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 1: it hits in a battle. 1104 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,839 Speaker 2: Like thematically when you finished it, where you're like nothing 1105 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,400 Speaker 2: says Stelle like prayed for you. Like I just wonder, right, 1106 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 2: I know, because it doesn't sound based on the things 1107 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,239 Speaker 2: that you heard that didn't resonate with you. And this 1108 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,759 Speaker 2: is the irony of it, is that, especially the music 1109 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,719 Speaker 2: you wanted to make, you finished the song and it's 1110 00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:42,280 Speaker 2: like man stamp of Stelle just right there exactly. 1111 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: And you know, to be honest with you, Bobby, I 1112 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,520 Speaker 1: have I have tried to put more and be more 1113 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,040 Speaker 1: me in the music that I've made as an artist, 1114 00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,640 Speaker 1: because I wasn't an artist at that, Like I wasn't 1115 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,279 Speaker 1: a person on the radio. Then like we put that 1116 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,880 Speaker 1: song out in that EP out and John Marx was 1117 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: at Spotify at the time, and my other manager emailed him. 1118 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,920 Speaker 1: They put that song on Spotify and it started. It 1119 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,879 Speaker 1: was like a million streams a week on without much 1120 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:13,000 Speaker 1: at all playlisting. And then it, I mean it organically 1121 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,719 Speaker 1: did it blue? 1122 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 2: It went viral. Before that, it with social media was 1123 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,240 Speaker 2: viraling songs to deals. 1124 00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, for yeah, it was it went viral. 1125 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:21,719 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1126 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,320 Speaker 1: Basically like for me music, my socials have always followed 1127 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: my music. They have not like my George Birds, you know, 1128 00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 1: one of my good friends. He's a little bit the 1129 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: other way, you know, social media. He's really good at it, 1130 00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:35,480 Speaker 1: and he's also very good at music. But his socials 1131 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,840 Speaker 1: are the are the the bell cow you know, that 1132 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,920 Speaker 1: gets all that great music to people. And me have 1133 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: always muscles have always lagged behind whatever music I had. 1134 00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, man, that happened and then we shot. 1135 00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,799 Speaker 2: It a single, Like, was it in your mind? Because again, 1136 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 2: if you send it to Spotify and John used to 1137 00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:54,840 Speaker 2: be the guy spotify. 1138 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: Was it this? 1139 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 2: I guess singles a weird word if you're not. 1140 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,840 Speaker 1: Actually it was the scene, it was the song, It 1141 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: was the it was the one song we sent. 1142 00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so were you trying to service at to radio 1143 00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:05,719 Speaker 2: as well? 1144 00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,480 Speaker 1: Well? At that point we were, you know, I was 1145 00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: going and playing some songs in some offices downtown, but 1146 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,880 Speaker 1: I really, you know, hadn't nailed anything. You know, we 1147 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,479 Speaker 1: had a little interest here in there, but I didn't 1148 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:16,680 Speaker 1: have a record deal or anything. 1149 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 2: Did you feel like the song where you we're like, 1150 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 2: oh man, it's a good song, but I don't really 1151 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,759 Speaker 2: want this to be the single. Even though the song 1152 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 2: was good. Did part of you not want it to 1153 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 2: be the single because it was love? 1154 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,840 Speaker 1: And in my you know, if I'm being honest, I 1155 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,440 Speaker 1: wanted that song to be a multi week number one 1156 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:37,200 Speaker 1: for Blake Shelton or for whoever. Like I thought that's 1157 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 1: what I was doing because I thought we'd written a 1158 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: good song that day. But man, you know, for me 1159 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,120 Speaker 1: in this business and how hard it was and to 1160 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,719 Speaker 1: get started and getting started late, you know, if you 1161 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,560 Speaker 1: have an opportunity. I've never been one that was so 1162 00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,640 Speaker 1: confident in myself that I would be picky and choosy 1163 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:02,600 Speaker 1: about opportunity. And so when that song hit like it did, 1164 00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,880 Speaker 1: we started getting calls from some labels. Then we got 1165 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,439 Speaker 1: a call and signed a deal and blah blah blah. 1166 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: You know that led to you know, whatever did. 1167 00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 2: You have to have like an internal conversation of this 1168 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,040 Speaker 2: is not exactly what I thought it would be, but 1169 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:20,799 Speaker 2: this is awesome, so we're going to commit and just go. 1170 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I knew I just wanted to make music 1171 00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 1: that mattered to people, and I did struggle with this 1172 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,680 Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. Yeah, to answer your question, but 1173 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,200 Speaker 1: like I had, I always want to make music that 1174 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,000 Speaker 1: mattered to people. But I never thought I was going 1175 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,800 Speaker 1: to be as someone who wrote like one of the 1176 00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: bigger wedding songs. I wasn't married. I mean, if it like, 1177 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:47,080 Speaker 1: I wasn't even engaged at that time. I don't think 1178 00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,200 Speaker 1: maybe you know, I can't remember, maybe I was. Those 1179 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,520 Speaker 1: timelines seem like they're parallel, but they're different tracks of mine. 1180 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:58,200 Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I had no idea. And now you know, 1181 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: now that I am married and found somebody that I 1182 00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,080 Speaker 1: that I think those things about that song makes even 1183 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,120 Speaker 1: makes more sense to be now number one, but number two. 1184 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 1: It is really really humbling and special that people want 1185 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,400 Speaker 1: to include that song, get it tattooed on them, somebody 1186 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:22,560 Speaker 1: has those lyrics on a headstone like that. I there's 1187 00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,239 Speaker 1: no amount of like, oh wow, I wish, I wish 1188 00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:29,560 Speaker 1: my famous song was about whiskey, you know, like, dude, 1189 00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,720 Speaker 1: I'm just glad to have made any music that matters 1190 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,880 Speaker 1: to people. And but yeah, I mean there was that. 1191 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,000 Speaker 1: The questions you're asking were questions I asked myself, and 1192 00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:39,800 Speaker 1: these are the answers to those questions. 1193 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 2: I bet that. And I've even seen it from being 1194 00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,759 Speaker 2: your friend and people know we're friends. I mean, we 1195 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 2: were at Auburn and we're doing something down there and 1196 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,479 Speaker 2: the girl was like, I know your friend's Matt Stelee. 1197 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,239 Speaker 2: Well use that in our wedding. Smash cut two. We 1198 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:55,640 Speaker 2: were down and doing a show the other night and 1199 00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:57,279 Speaker 2: the reporter you're on the bus. He didn't know you're 1200 00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:58,839 Speaker 2: on the bus and he was like, yeah, this song 1201 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,200 Speaker 2: that Matt is my our wedding song. I mean that 1202 00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 2: that's all the time right, it is. 1203 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 1: Man and and in the best, in the best way, 1204 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,920 Speaker 1: Like I just that's something I was like kind of 1205 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,799 Speaker 1: blind to about it. I didn't understand what it meant 1206 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 1: for people to in that whole stressful period of trying 1207 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,480 Speaker 1: to choose the exact, perfect right thing for their special 1208 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,840 Speaker 1: day and for them to flatter me and by using 1209 00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,279 Speaker 1: a song that I wrote, Like, I didn't understand how 1210 00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:30,399 Speaker 1: big of a compliment that was, But I do now. 1211 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:34,839 Speaker 2: And your co writers were they disappointed that a song 1212 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 2: that they wrote that was so good ended up being 1213 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:38,520 Speaker 2: used on a no name artist. 1214 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:45,960 Speaker 1: Well, no, because no, because at that point my publisher 1215 00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,680 Speaker 1: was also my manager, was also my co writer, also 1216 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:49,759 Speaker 1: helped me produce the. 1217 00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 2: Extremely ancessual help. 1218 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,399 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, so no, I think it was we've 1219 00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,279 Speaker 1: broken another artist because that's what they were signing. They 1220 00:54:57,360 --> 00:54:59,920 Speaker 1: signed me as an artist writer and saw that, you know, 1221 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,000 Speaker 1: because like they had signed another they had had success 1222 00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:05,560 Speaker 1: with another artist writer previous, and I was sort of 1223 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:07,279 Speaker 1: like the next person up. 1224 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 2: And yeah, in the structuring of that song, where did 1225 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,520 Speaker 2: you go, oh, dang, it is a good one, Like, 1226 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 2: what what was like the flip? 1227 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,640 Speaker 1: What was the melody in there's a couple of lines 1228 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: in it I really like, and we we told her 1229 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,759 Speaker 1: love story, but we wrote it as a character that 1230 00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 1: I could sing on stage, and you know, like that's 1231 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,160 Speaker 1: one thing I like people think, you know, oh, that's 1232 00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 1: the prey for you guys. And again that's like in movies, 1233 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: no one thinks that Schwarzenegger's you know, the terminator, right, 1234 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 1: but it is in music that's I heard Isabel say 1235 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: that one time. It was very smart, uh, but that 1236 00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,759 Speaker 1: I'm you know, kind of that that guy. But we 1237 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: so we wrote the song in a way that's telling 1238 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:51,800 Speaker 1: that story from a way that I could kind of 1239 00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:57,320 Speaker 1: tell it. And so really long answer the the chorus 1240 00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,880 Speaker 1: melody in the second half is what it's kind of 1241 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:01,000 Speaker 1: what does it for me? 1242 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:01,400 Speaker 2: On that. 1243 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,000 Speaker 1: And to the example part of it, I kept my 1244 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,920 Speaker 1: faate like that old King James, and I'm supposed to 1245 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: just in context that does a lot of work. And 1246 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,879 Speaker 1: it's just I don't know. The song was just I'm 1247 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 1: proud of it because it has a little lyric flip, 1248 00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: which I have. I've always I just I'm always gonna 1249 00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,879 Speaker 1: make music that has some kind of lyric is doing 1250 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:23,560 Speaker 1: the work, and that one does a little bit of it, 1251 00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, the melodies. The melody is cool, and you 1252 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,080 Speaker 1: know it's just I just hard for me to hear 1253 00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,600 Speaker 1: and tell you what I love the most about the 1254 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:32,160 Speaker 1: thing that I know. 1255 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:36,719 Speaker 2: It's mostly like what when what part of it made 1256 00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 2: you go this is actually good? Like because I think 1257 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:43,840 Speaker 2: with songs it can be again a lyric flip, a 1258 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 2: double meaning. 1259 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,640 Speaker 1: It could be it's some. 1260 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,920 Speaker 2: Sort of pre chorus. That's a cool melody, you know 1261 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,279 Speaker 2: for us. When we wrote the Mom song, you know, 1262 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,800 Speaker 2: I thought my bosom reference is pretty strong, you know, 1263 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 2: immediately immediately I guess that that that would be kind 1264 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 2: of that that It's always like my curiosity in a 1265 00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,840 Speaker 2: song like everywhere but on that song, where was it 1266 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 2: when you in that song? When you're writing it there like, 1267 00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:09,680 Speaker 2: oh we found it, We found the thing. 1268 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,640 Speaker 1: The title of the song. Like when Paul Sykes and 1269 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 1: I and Lance were writing that song, we were just 1270 00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 1: in a room and we're going through titles and Paul says, 1271 00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,440 Speaker 1: I got the title. I moved everywhere but on and 1272 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,120 Speaker 1: I went, oh, hell, yeah, that's write that because that's 1273 00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,040 Speaker 1: what I mean. That's much more of a me kind 1274 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,680 Speaker 1: of song, you know, Like I love it in terms 1275 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,960 Speaker 1: of like you know in here, but uh, we were 1276 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 1: and we wrote that song in like an hour, like 1277 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,240 Speaker 1: it just came like it was it was apparent what 1278 00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,480 Speaker 1: we wanted to do, and that was praver. You took 1279 00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 1: like two different sessions to kind of get done and 1280 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,480 Speaker 1: get right. But but everyone and on was like like 1281 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 1: we were done with it, and I did. I didn't. 1282 00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: I did not think it was going to be a 1283 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,440 Speaker 1: single either because I liked it so much. Like I'm 1284 00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,640 Speaker 1: not a something. I can't like see outside of my 1285 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:02,760 Speaker 1: own thing very well well to know what's to hit, 1286 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 1: what's not what I should. You know, I've never been 1287 00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:04,920 Speaker 1: good at that. 1288 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:08,200 Speaker 2: How does life change after you have a number one? 1289 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,960 Speaker 1: It changed? I mean all of my all of those 1290 00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:16,959 Speaker 1: dreams that I talked about came true. Maybe I should 1291 00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,600 Speaker 1: have dreamed bigger. I don't know, but I remember Bray 1292 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:24,520 Speaker 1: for You was top five or so, and I was 1293 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: in a I drive. I was in a van and 1294 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: trailer and anytime I've had a van since I started 1295 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,920 Speaker 1: playing music to now, I drive ninety eight percent of 1296 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:38,680 Speaker 1: every mile, like I was always behind a wheel. And 1297 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,680 Speaker 1: I remember looking at a tour schedule that we had 1298 00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:46,600 Speaker 1: coming up and Uh. I was like, I cannot physically 1299 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,360 Speaker 1: do this, Like I can't. I had like a twelve 1300 00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:51,880 Speaker 1: hour jump between shows that I would have to drive 1301 00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,080 Speaker 1: overnight and get there, and it was like seven and 1302 00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,840 Speaker 1: ten days. I was like, man, I physically can't do this. 1303 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,880 Speaker 1: And I called my manager at the time. I was like, 1304 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: I think I think I need a driver or something, 1305 00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,440 Speaker 1: and he was like, I think you might need a bus. 1306 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,920 Speaker 2: And I went, oh, that's what I need. 1307 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,960 Speaker 1: That's what I need. And we got in that bus 1308 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: and pray for you. Like I said, it was almost 1309 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 1: the number one before we got in a bus, But 1310 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:22,240 Speaker 1: that was like the that was the big turning point 1311 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: for me. And then you know again that there was 1312 00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,600 Speaker 1: I was in a relationship and you know, pray for 1313 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: you everyone's wedding song. And it was probably the straw 1314 00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,440 Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back on that, uh, on that 1315 00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,480 Speaker 1: relationship because I was gone all the time. I mean 1316 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: just all the time. 1317 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 2: Isn't it weird how people treat you totally different. The 1318 00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,440 Speaker 2: same person can treat you totally different with a one 1319 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,000 Speaker 2: different element of success. Yeah, I think I got a 1320 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 2: little better at that. I should It should have been 1321 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,680 Speaker 2: the other way for me when I started to like 1322 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:56,760 Speaker 2: have success, I was no different, but it was like 1323 00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,560 Speaker 2: people would treat me way different. They never really treated 1324 00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,360 Speaker 2: me very good to begin with, and all of a 1325 01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 2: sudden they were like, we've always loved you. Like I 1326 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,200 Speaker 2: got kind of better at that. Did you have any 1327 01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 2: of that at all? Or you're not like men? Your 1328 01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:14,040 Speaker 2: life is just misery? No, I mean life is pain 1329 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:14,959 Speaker 2: and misery. 1330 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:17,400 Speaker 1: And I just I don't know, man, I feel like 1331 01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,520 Speaker 1: I just kind of like I kind of get it, 1332 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, because I'm sure I've been that way. You know. 1333 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,919 Speaker 1: I try not to be that way, and I try 1334 01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: to like I try to not be, but you know, 1335 01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: like I needed that outside validation for myself. Like I 1336 01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 1: just was talking about that earlier, you know, and it 1337 01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,360 Speaker 1: had that that was important to me at the time. 1338 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,920 Speaker 1: So it's like it's this, that's the same thing, you know, 1339 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,200 Speaker 1: you know in a way, but you know it, but 1340 01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:56,160 Speaker 1: it is like much more of like a that is 1341 01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,600 Speaker 1: that is how things are. 1342 01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,200 Speaker 2: But also showed me I don't want to be like that. 1343 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you Bob, you were good. I remember 1344 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,040 Speaker 1: we really first met backstage at the Opry, and you know, 1345 01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,040 Speaker 1: I obviously knew who you were or whatever like that. 1346 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:16,320 Speaker 1: While obviously and uh, I mean you were we met, 1347 01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: then you're like, hey, dude, congratulations, let's let's link up seriously, 1348 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,560 Speaker 1: Like you said, I remember you saying seriously, and I 1349 01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,320 Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, he probably means that, you know, 1350 01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 1: as opposed. 1351 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 2: To because I don't say that. I don't like people generally, 1352 01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,920 Speaker 2: I don't like and in the industry, so if I 1353 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,080 Speaker 2: say that like, I mean it, so yeah, I remember that. 1354 01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,240 Speaker 1: I was like, no, seriously, Yeah, I remember you saying 1355 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 1: that to me and me going like, oh, well that's 1356 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: pretty that's pretty dope, like you know, and I always 1357 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,000 Speaker 1: but also to do because I like, I really felt 1358 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 1: like I just kind of like, you know, I'm proud 1359 01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:48,800 Speaker 1: of writing Pray for You. But I was also like 1360 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,440 Speaker 1: the reasons that I wrote that song and did that 1361 01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:55,520 Speaker 1: song had to do with me not being like of 1362 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:57,400 Speaker 1: me being like a sort of like a team player 1363 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,680 Speaker 1: in some ways, and and me like having opportunities as 1364 01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:07,400 Speaker 1: they come maybe capitalizing or taking advantage of those. So like, 1365 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: it wasn't this I saw this thing, I said I 1366 01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,360 Speaker 1: was going to do this thing. I did this thing. 1367 01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,080 Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like I was one of 1368 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 1: the people in town who was good enough to have 1369 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,240 Speaker 1: something happen, that had all the right circumstances for something 1370 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:22,920 Speaker 1: to happen, And there was a lot of people in 1371 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: town that are as good or better than me at 1372 01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: music that don't get those opportunities. So if it's like, 1373 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,560 Speaker 1: if that's why I'm you know, get to be backstage 1374 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,040 Speaker 1: of the opera, get to have a tour bus, get 1375 01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 1: to you know, buy a house or whatever because of music, 1376 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: how much ownership can I really feel of that? I 1377 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,560 Speaker 1: think it's really just more of like I need to 1378 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: just be grateful that those things happened, because you know, 1379 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:50,240 Speaker 1: then something like COVID happens and it does the opposite. 1380 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,320 Speaker 6: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor, 1381 01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:04,400 Speaker 6: and we're back on the Bobby Cast. 1382 01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,960 Speaker 2: Well, look at your streams on just we only have 1383 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,280 Speaker 2: a few minutes left here. But so if I go 1384 01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 2: m A T T st e ll Matt still the 1385 01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,800 Speaker 2: artist prayed for you one hundred and thirty three million streams. 1386 01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,200 Speaker 2: I got one hundred thirty three million streams. Pay that 1387 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:29,040 Speaker 2: that pays pretty good. Huh yeah, mechanical or publishing pay more? 1388 01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:30,120 Speaker 1: What's that for you? 1389 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:31,959 Speaker 2: It's mechanical or publishing paid more. 1390 01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,880 Speaker 1: Publishing, I'm sure because it was a it was a 1391 01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, terrestrial radio hit. 1392 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 2: It was like a multi okay, fair breaking in Boots. 1393 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:47,840 Speaker 2: Seventeen million word of that song peak sixteen everywhere, but 1394 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,320 Speaker 2: on was number one. That ain't me no more? What 1395 01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:50,840 Speaker 2: did that peak? 1396 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: Bro, that's one of the thirty that was That's all 1397 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,800 Speaker 1: I thought was higher than that. It should have been. Man, 1398 01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 1: I didn't write that song. Hardy sent me that song, 1399 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,919 Speaker 1: and I immediately thought, this is a smash. I can't 1400 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,120 Speaker 1: believe Hardy would send me a song this good. And 1401 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I think I might be the only artist in the 1402 01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 1: history of country music that took a Hardy song to thirty. 1403 01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:16,720 Speaker 1: It was like it was like it was like Hardy Hunter, Phelps, Nick, Donnelly, 1404 01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget Smith and Quiz. I'm gonna forget who 1405 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,080 Speaker 1: all was on there. But that had But if I'm 1406 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:26,640 Speaker 1: being honest, like that had to do with my label 1407 01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:29,280 Speaker 1: deal with Sony New York and Sony Nashville, and I 1408 01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,760 Speaker 1: got caught in the crossfire of some bs. And I'm 1409 01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 1: not just saying I didn't write that song. I just 1410 01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,640 Speaker 1: believed in that song. I really like. It's such a 1411 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,240 Speaker 1: lesson in humility, man, because I remember sitting in my 1412 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: truck and hearing that song come on one night on 1413 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:49,480 Speaker 1: Big ninety eight or whatever and in Nashville and going, 1414 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:50,240 Speaker 1: this is. 1415 01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:59,440 Speaker 9: Me, we're actually gonnas in hotel room read as I 1416 01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:00,880 Speaker 9: let's keep being. 1417 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:06,040 Speaker 2: Just clean the room. Oh, got it, got it, got it? 1418 01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:07,520 Speaker 2: Thank you Read for handling that. 1419 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. So you hear the song, I mean I heard it. 1420 01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:11,680 Speaker 1: It was starting to get played, and I was like, 1421 01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:14,640 Speaker 1: this is the coolest thing that I've done. This is 1422 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,360 Speaker 1: the kind of music I want to make. This is 1423 01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,240 Speaker 1: this is badass. This There's no way this doesn't work. 1424 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,760 Speaker 1: I remember playing on like you know, we had every 1425 01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,920 Speaker 1: tour lined up for this, and that we were selling 1426 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,600 Speaker 1: a bunch of our own tickets and and I remember thinking, oh, 1427 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,760 Speaker 1: this is it, this is I got it in the bag. 1428 01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: And then syndication time came and there was none, and 1429 01:05:35,800 --> 01:05:39,800 Speaker 1: that this song died, and I was just like, I 1430 01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:44,400 Speaker 1: don't I don't know anything about what's popular. I don't 1431 01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,760 Speaker 1: know what's I know what I like, but I don't 1432 01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:49,560 Speaker 1: know what's cool. Because if this song isn't it, I 1433 01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:51,520 Speaker 1: don't I do not know what's cool. 1434 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,880 Speaker 2: There's an interview that I did with John Mayer. It's 1435 01:05:55,640 --> 01:05:57,600 Speaker 2: over the years, it's got millions of views, but we 1436 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:00,400 Speaker 2: talk about that and that He's like, Dude, stuff that 1437 01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,040 Speaker 2: resonated the most of the stuff that I've done that 1438 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,040 Speaker 2: I don't even really like as much. And he talked 1439 01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:05,720 Speaker 2: about like waiting on the world to change. He was like, 1440 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:07,520 Speaker 2: I'm fine never playing that song again, but he does 1441 01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:12,600 Speaker 2: because he knows, like that's what generally people love. Your 1442 01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:16,000 Speaker 2: Body's in Wonderland, you know, is like that resonates with 1443 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 2: the greatest group of people. I'm able to make my 1444 01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 2: cooler stuff because people love the stuff that I make 1445 01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:23,600 Speaker 2: that is able to be mass consumed. 1446 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,320 Speaker 1: And I think too, like I've thought about this a 1447 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 1: lot in trying to like rebuild things after COVID. I 1448 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,960 Speaker 1: think that the reason that I'm opinionated about a lot 1449 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:39,840 Speaker 1: of music, and I know what I like and I 1450 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,080 Speaker 1: do what I like, or I know say it like this, 1451 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:44,880 Speaker 1: The reason that I want to make the kind of 1452 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:46,960 Speaker 1: music that I do is because I want people to 1453 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 1: think that I'm smart. And that's an insecurity on my part, 1454 01:06:50,800 --> 01:06:54,000 Speaker 1: and I make if I'm making music from this insecure place, 1455 01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,600 Speaker 1: where I'm trying to like not insecure, like I'm just 1456 01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,280 Speaker 1: trying to do my best and I'm trying kind of 1457 01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,360 Speaker 1: like why I just I just want oh man, that 1458 01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,479 Speaker 1: listening to this flip listen and I'm just completely lose. 1459 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: I have lost sometimes the plot of why are people 1460 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,600 Speaker 1: listening to music? In terms Instead of making music for 1461 01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,040 Speaker 1: people to listen to, I'm making music for people to 1462 01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,640 Speaker 1: like me, hopefully be impressed by you impressed by me. 1463 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:23,760 Speaker 1: And it's just it's a it's an insecurity. 1464 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:25,280 Speaker 2: But if you didn't have that, you wouldn't want to 1465 01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,400 Speaker 2: do what you do right, Like It's yeah, that the 1466 01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 2: that the weird construct of anything creative is if you 1467 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,760 Speaker 2: want wildly insecure and seeking validation love, you wouldn't do 1468 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,160 Speaker 2: it at all. But there has to be some part 1469 01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,800 Speaker 2: of you though that is so secure that you think 1470 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,080 Speaker 2: you also can do it. 1471 01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:46,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's why I have such an aversion to some 1472 01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,840 Speaker 1: of the like content creators. I like making content when 1473 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,960 Speaker 1: it's interesting and fun and creative. I hate making trendy content. 1474 01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,760 Speaker 1: I hate finding what's trending on on TikTok and shooting 1475 01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: a lyric video to that stuff because it's to me, 1476 01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,280 Speaker 1: it feels the same way that putting out a song 1477 01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,560 Speaker 1: I'm not proud of feels like or something. It's not creative, 1478 01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:14,640 Speaker 1: but it's just it's serving a different purpose than being creative, 1479 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:15,640 Speaker 1: but it is. 1480 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:19,360 Speaker 2: It's that we and we kind of end on this. 1481 01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:24,840 Speaker 2: We played those couple of nights, but we've played together before. 1482 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,280 Speaker 2: It's not like we mean, we've run stuff and we 1483 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:27,680 Speaker 2: know each other now for a long time, and I 1484 01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:29,599 Speaker 2: would consider you a friend. I had a surprise birthday party. 1485 01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,080 Speaker 2: You were there, Like that's the level of surprise. Yeah, 1486 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,280 Speaker 2: And I was like, I already knew. My wife's still 1487 01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:40,560 Speaker 2: upset that I did that, But I know where to 1488 01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 2: do that just from my version of like, there's a 1489 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,960 Speaker 2: segment we do that research is so high that when 1490 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,559 Speaker 2: I started doing it sixteen years ago, nobody really did 1491 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 2: it and it was right down the middle, and it 1492 01:08:51,360 --> 01:08:52,800 Speaker 2: was to tell me something good segment. We have to 1493 01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,120 Speaker 2: do it every day, and we do it multiple times 1494 01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:57,600 Speaker 2: every day, and at times people will be like I 1495 01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,920 Speaker 2: was backstage at NFL Honors and somebody that was taking 1496 01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:03,200 Speaker 2: pictures of Belichick and then Snoop and then I hopped in. 1497 01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,080 Speaker 2: She was like, oh my bones, tell me you tell 1498 01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:08,800 Speaker 2: me something good, guy, and I know what it's like 1499 01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:10,519 Speaker 2: to have something I don't. I don't even like doing 1500 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,320 Speaker 2: that segment anymore. It's fine, but I do it so 1501 01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:19,800 Speaker 2: much and it's so popular in testing and research that 1502 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,240 Speaker 2: we continue to do it. I don't hate it. I'd 1503 01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:25,400 Speaker 2: rather do eighty four things other than that, so I 1504 01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:27,479 Speaker 2: know what that feels like, because I don't want to 1505 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,760 Speaker 2: be I would rather somebody be like, man, I heard 1506 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,120 Speaker 2: you said this. I laughed out loud or I saw it, 1507 01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:35,840 Speaker 2: but even backstage in NFL Honors, and she was just 1508 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:37,640 Speaker 2: just saying what she knew me from. She goes, oh, 1509 01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,760 Speaker 2: tell me something good. And you and I had a 1510 01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:45,040 Speaker 2: conversation a couple of nights ago and you played Prayed 1511 01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:48,240 Speaker 2: for You, and I just I felt like, possibly there 1512 01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:49,680 Speaker 2: was a chance you felt the way about that song 1513 01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,599 Speaker 2: that I did tell Me Something Good, and I was like, dude, 1514 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,600 Speaker 2: it's awesome. Like if you're ever starting to feel like, 1515 01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:55,120 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm playing it too much, am I 1516 01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 2: only this guy? Like it's so good still and still 1517 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,040 Speaker 2: feels so fresh when you play it, and I just 1518 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 2: don't want you to count and crowise it and change 1519 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:08,879 Speaker 2: the melody because you're getting bored with it. Yeah, man, Yeah, dude. 1520 01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,880 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I don't have those like 1521 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,040 Speaker 1: I really am really grateful to have made music that 1522 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,200 Speaker 1: has mattered to people. It's awesome well, and even if 1523 01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,080 Speaker 1: it's not the way that I thought like it's it's 1524 01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:24,160 Speaker 1: I'm still very proud of writing that song. 1525 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,000 Speaker 2: I would just get tired of playing it every night. Yeah, 1526 01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:27,200 Speaker 2: I mean the same way I'm tired of doing tell 1527 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,360 Speaker 2: me something good. I can't stop. I won't stop. I'm 1528 01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:33,280 Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus, I can stop. But the same with that song. 1529 01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,240 Speaker 2: I just need ever everyone, so I'll be reminded, like 1530 01:10:35,680 --> 01:10:37,600 Speaker 2: you're good at that. You should don't don't feel like 1531 01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,720 Speaker 2: that's all you do and that's all you're known for, 1532 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:43,920 Speaker 2: and that because there's not a lot of uh. I 1533 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,760 Speaker 2: would say it's the most cerebral thing. So at times 1534 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:48,559 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm known for like my most simple thing. 1535 01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,160 Speaker 2: I felt and we didn't have this talk. I didn't 1536 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 2: know you felt this way about the song, but I 1537 01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 2: was like, dude, don't feel that way about that song, 1538 01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,000 Speaker 2: so tell me something good. Trauma was coming out on you. 1539 01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,479 Speaker 2: I prayed for you. It's still so freaking good. 1540 01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,240 Speaker 1: Well, I mean I really appreciate it. And you know, 1541 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:12,120 Speaker 1: one big key difference between those two experiences, I think 1542 01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:15,000 Speaker 1: is that you get research back on that segment, what 1543 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:16,080 Speaker 1: weekly or something. 1544 01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,320 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, we used to get it back frequently. 1545 01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,040 Speaker 2: Well you know, time to change, sure, but you we 1546 01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:22,600 Speaker 2: would get it. 1547 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,920 Speaker 1: When I get the feedback of playing that song and 1548 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,479 Speaker 1: people yelling and them singing and slow dancing to it 1549 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,960 Speaker 1: and coming up wanting to sign like it, that's instant, Like, man, 1550 01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,599 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have made music that matters to people. 1551 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,519 Speaker 1: And I mean, that's just kind of it. And now 1552 01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:41,320 Speaker 1: I'm in a stage in my life where the best 1553 01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:44,840 Speaker 1: songs that I've written in the past like several months 1554 01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,240 Speaker 1: are love songs and I and I don't feel weird 1555 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,320 Speaker 1: about them anymore. I don't feel soft about it. I 1556 01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:53,840 Speaker 1: feel like because I've I've done a lot of not 1557 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,160 Speaker 1: solve things and the fact that I you know, that's 1558 01:11:56,160 --> 01:12:00,519 Speaker 1: a whole nother journey or whatever. But but that just 1559 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:04,120 Speaker 1: like a key maybe maybe difference is because when people react, 1560 01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: when people react the way that I want him to 1561 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:08,439 Speaker 1: do a song that I wrote in and plan this, 1562 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:11,080 Speaker 1: I've never it's the happiest that I am. 1563 01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,920 Speaker 2: Don't stop playing it good, don't change the melody. 1564 01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:14,880 Speaker 1: I want to keep playing. 1565 01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,760 Speaker 2: I'd like to keep working. Yes, don't stop playing it. 1566 01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:20,800 Speaker 2: Don't change the melody. Do it so many times? All right? 1567 01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:21,960 Speaker 1: Cool? Yeah? 1568 01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:26,160 Speaker 2: When do we become friends? I mean. 1569 01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:30,760 Speaker 1: That opery thing would have had to been nineteen. 1570 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,760 Speaker 2: As pre COVID. Right then, when you guys met, when 1571 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,800 Speaker 2: you became friends? I was trying to think before he 1572 01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,360 Speaker 2: came in, like, when did we actually become friends? I 1573 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:39,160 Speaker 2: don't know. 1574 01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just kind of happened. It's organic here okay, 1575 01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:43,759 Speaker 1: here wrote. 1576 01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:48,600 Speaker 2: Few about me is where it comes out. Uh, you 1577 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,360 Speaker 2: guys go follow. We did all this in the uh, 1578 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:54,479 Speaker 2: in the pre before you came on. But all Matt 1579 01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,599 Speaker 2: social it's all at Matt Stelle pretty much. 1580 01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,880 Speaker 1: Right at mass Stell or at mess Music on some ship. 1581 01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:02,840 Speaker 2: He does some great TikTok dances in the best seller 1582 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:06,120 Speaker 2: The Guy Rocks It, Oh, final final thing we were. 1583 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,760 Speaker 2: We won't even say who because I don't want to 1584 01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:11,680 Speaker 2: blast him. Somebody of prominence as the ability to make 1585 01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:13,599 Speaker 2: decisions on a high level. Had heard one of your 1586 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,560 Speaker 2: songs hasn't been recorded yet. I was like, that's it, 1587 01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:24,559 Speaker 2: Although not a traditional song that would be released two outlets. 1588 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:28,960 Speaker 2: How does that influence what you're about to do? 1589 01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:33,360 Speaker 1: A lot? It influences it a lot. I mean, when 1590 01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:37,000 Speaker 1: you get feedback from people whose opinions matter, you can't 1591 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,320 Speaker 1: help but to pay attention. 1592 01:13:38,040 --> 01:13:41,679 Speaker 2: To that, and opinions who can actually create. 1593 01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,920 Speaker 1: When I say matter, I mean opinions that, yes, can 1594 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:48,920 Speaker 1: influence and create right exactly. And yeah, man, you get 1595 01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:54,439 Speaker 1: good feedback about that. And also I've never been I'm 1596 01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:59,920 Speaker 1: pretty secure in my in thinking about me writing songs, 1597 01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,479 Speaker 1: like am I a good songwriter? 1598 01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:01,720 Speaker 8: Like? 1599 01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,439 Speaker 1: I checked my own box for that, but I don't 1600 01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,920 Speaker 1: again when MS come up, I don't. I do not 1601 01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,120 Speaker 1: check the box of knowing what people like or whatever. 1602 01:14:09,280 --> 01:14:12,599 Speaker 1: So I do rely on a handful of people whose 1603 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:18,640 Speaker 1: opinions matter to me for various reasons. And so it 1604 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:24,120 Speaker 1: feels really really good to have not just some of 1605 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:27,760 Speaker 1: those people liking a song, but to have I will 1606 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,799 Speaker 1: sug guess, I'll say, all of the people whose opinions 1607 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,800 Speaker 1: I solicit. 1608 01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:33,160 Speaker 2: Like it. 1609 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, that's that's pretty that feels good. 1610 01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:44,160 Speaker 2: All right, We're done at matt Stelle or Matthew Letter. 1611 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:47,720 Speaker 1: Hoping in you can find me blue check I'm hilarious. 1612 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,320 Speaker 2: He's not the non blue check that's asking for gift cards. 1613 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:52,680 Speaker 2: That's although he could be all right, that's it. 1614 01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:56,679 Speaker 8: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production. 1615 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:00,200 Speaker 2: U