Speaker 1: On this episode of This League, we get into how
Speaker 1: Shaq found the worst time to possibly criticize Donovan Mitchell,
Speaker 1: why taking a man's locker is the ultimate sign of disrespect.
Speaker 1: I cracked Kyrie Irving's eyeg emoji code, folks. And we
Speaker 1: also have a cool interview with Sam Smndiari and Andy Lou.
Speaker 1: They're both Warriors insiders about the drama going into Golden State.
Speaker 1: We also read some of my dms, so, without further ado,
Speaker 1: I always thought Donovan Mitchell was smart, the kind of
Speaker 1: guy who seems to think things through. You don't come
Speaker 1: to Donovan Mitchell if you're looking for a hot take,
Speaker 1: You just don't until fucking now, until right now. Do
Speaker 1: you know, Marty, what is required for a PB and
Speaker 1: J sandwich?
Speaker 2: I mean, self explained it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bread, peanut butter, jelly even five year olds, No,
Speaker 1: it's in a PB and J doesn't matter. The jelly
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. If you have crunchy or creamy peanut butter,
Speaker 1: chibata or wonderbread. Those are the three things. That's it.
Speaker 1: I thought the world knew that, but apparently not Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 2: Wait what are we talking about?
Speaker 1: Apparently Donovan Mitchell just got on Twitter and sounded off
Speaker 1: on what is the perfect ratio between peeb and jelly
Speaker 1: on a PB and sandwich? Zero? This is what he says.
Speaker 2: Oh I did see this.
Speaker 1: Yes, he said zero.
Speaker 2: Percent peanut butter, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Jelly, zero percent peanut butter.
Speaker 2: That's whack.
Speaker 1: Listen. I get some people don't like peanut butter, but
Speaker 1: if that's you, you don't get an opinion on PB
Speaker 1: and J talk. If you don't like peanut butter, you
Speaker 1: don't get an opinion on said topic. No, Shot, you
Speaker 1: don't like one third of the ingredients, So what are
Speaker 1: we doing. That's like saying you like tacos, but you
Speaker 1: don't like taco shells, Like that's not a taco, So
Speaker 1: no Taco Tuesday for you. So, Spider, you just don't
Speaker 1: like PEB and j That's just it. You can't have
Speaker 1: just jelly. That's just the case. But right now it's
Speaker 1: funny because he's posting all this, and this is right
Speaker 1: now probably the least controversial Donovan Mitchell take out there,
Speaker 1: because the Spider and Mitchell takes are flying around. Boy,
Speaker 1: and my problem, I've been watching Donovan Mitchell a long time.
Speaker 1: My problem is not the take, it's the timing of
Speaker 1: the take. And boy, oh boy, was the timing of
Speaker 1: this take bad. So this is what happened, Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: Did you watch the game?
Speaker 3: I did?
Speaker 1: Yeah, donovd Mitchell balling out twenty one points in the
Speaker 1: first half alone. They're on a seven game win streak.
Speaker 1: They're rolling right halftime check Chuck Kenny. Even fucking little
Speaker 1: EJ came in with his little SHIV at the end,
Speaker 1: and the TNT guys decided today is the day we
Speaker 1: are gonna finally go after Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 4: Is that the point of superstardom where he can take
Speaker 4: you there? Or he's still all star status?
Speaker 3: He needs to be second or third option?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: See yeah here he has enough talent to do it.
Speaker 3: But what holds him?
Speaker 4: Because see, I'm I'm seeing what I'm seeing I will
Speaker 4: and I'm seeing he's overpowering people what a superstar is?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: And then after the game, Shack decides that in the
Speaker 1: postgame interview he's going to confess Donovan Mitchell about the
Speaker 1: shit that he said earlier. First of all, let me
Speaker 1: just say this, when someone tells you and they preface
Speaker 1: what they're about to say by saying you're you're one
Speaker 1: of my favorite players to watch. Something's coming. Yeah, you know, Donovan,
Speaker 1: I love you, You're one of my favorite players to watch.
Speaker 1: But I just don't think you have it. Spiders shit
Speaker 1: have been like what is this right now? We're on
Speaker 1: a seven game win streak, I'm on a heater. You're
Speaker 1: trashing me eight seconds after I win the game about
Speaker 1: how I can never perform. Can I grab a gatorade
Speaker 1: before you comfort.
Speaker 5: Me or what?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was pretty tough luck.
Speaker 1: It was cringe too. You saw that Donovan Mitchell and
Speaker 1: Shack said, oh, Donovan, you're one of my favorite players.
Speaker 1: You see on the video he's smiling like, oh man,
Speaker 1: one of the great says I'm gonna win. I'm one
Speaker 1: of his favorite players, and then his smile erase is
Speaker 1: like that, man, the timing is bad, But to me,
Speaker 1: the take is not. This is exactly what I've been
Speaker 1: saying for a year. Donovan Mitchell is not going to
Speaker 1: be someone that you can rely on in high leverage moments.
Speaker 1: The only thing that really matters in the NBA is
Speaker 1: the playoffs. The regular season is meaningless. It's cute, it's fun.
Speaker 1: We all love watching it. It's exciting. But if you
Speaker 1: want to assess someone's ceiling, it's the playoffs and only
Speaker 1: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that, Marty, Oh sure, definitely. When
Speaker 2: you talk about you know what all a player has
Speaker 2: in him and everything that adds up, Yeah, it's the playoffs.
Speaker 1: It's it end all, be all, and so no matter
Speaker 1: how good Donovan Mitchell is, because he's very good. Again,
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite players to watch. I also,
Speaker 1: I too love Donovan Mitchell. He can score in bunches,
Speaker 1: he's explosive, he's got skills, he's job dropping, all those
Speaker 1: things we know are all those things. But when he
Speaker 1: goes cold, oh my god, does he go cold for days.
Speaker 1: He could go three four games at a time just bricks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just disappear.
Speaker 1: And you're like, he knows it too. What's colder? You
Speaker 1: know that? That? Like, hey, let's say what's colder? Him
Speaker 1: being cold, ice cold? That's Donovan Mitchell. That is Donovan Mitchell.
Speaker 1: It is gross to watch. He is one of the
Speaker 1: worst people to watch on a cold streak because he
Speaker 1: doesn't do anything else. It's not like he's Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: where he's like, oh wow, he got that rebound and
Speaker 1: he blocks someone just stolen the ball. No, No, he's
Speaker 1: legitimately doing nothing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, becomes a complete negative.
Speaker 1: Completeleete liability. So no shot to Donovan Mitchell as a human.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed him a few times. He's a great guy.
Speaker 1: I would never speak to someone like that like Shaq
Speaker 1: did Donovan Mitchell right after he goes off. That was
Speaker 1: some gall Who is he capable? Is Donovan Mitchell capable
Speaker 1: of doing more? No? I said maybe when I thought
Speaker 1: of it to myself, But right now the answer is no.
Speaker 1: The problem though, is that he's also on a team
Speaker 1: of guys who also disappear. Rudy Gobert can go away
Speaker 1: for stretches, Mike Conley can go away for stretches. So
Speaker 1: you can't have three guys on a team that can
Speaker 1: go away for stretches and actually be built for the playoffs.
Speaker 1: There's no way. That's why they got bounced out of
Speaker 1: the first round last year, were they were up three
Speaker 1: to one on Denver right and then.
Speaker 2: Just just stopped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stopped. It was just like the true hur that
Speaker 1: was that. So yeah, the thing that I think that
Speaker 1: the haters or the trolls or whatever listeners. Fans Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell fans will say, get it confused, This is not
Speaker 1: This is not to say he's not good. Every player
Speaker 1: in the NBA is good. He is elite. He is
Speaker 1: an All Star, which means he is elite of the elite,
Speaker 1: another echelon. What we're wondering is whether he could do
Speaker 1: anything else besides score the basketball, put the ball in
Speaker 1: the hoop to elevate his team. Statistically, we know because
Speaker 1: Ernie said it in the in the halftime, which we
Speaker 1: didn't play, but he said, Donovan, by the way, before
Speaker 1: we go, Donovan Mitchell's only had one double digit rebounding
Speaker 1: game in his entire career. So statistically we know Donovan
Speaker 1: Mitchell cannot do that. That's a crazy staff and that's
Speaker 1: what's necessary to win a championship. You asked Damian Lillard,
Speaker 1: You ask Chris Paul, You ask Steph Curry. When they
Speaker 1: go cold, they all try to do something else, facilitate, play,
Speaker 1: make et cetera.
Speaker 2: Yeah, really, step Steph will come out of nowhere and
Speaker 2: have like a really good rebounding game every now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that is funny about his game.
Speaker 1: Sometimes Steph will lead the team in rebounds when he's
Speaker 1: ice cold. He did that, not that not too long ago.
Speaker 1: You have to affect the game when the shots not falling,
Speaker 1: or you're not gonna win in the playoffs. And the
Speaker 1: truth is, when Spider is ice cold, he can't buy
Speaker 1: a bucket. He is a liability even if that take
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Speaker 1: League twenty. Handle your business boys, Handle it something. Something
Speaker 1: is going on in the water in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Uh, what do you mean, like like Lake Erie catching
Speaker 2: fire or something?
Speaker 1: I know that's that's good choke though. What I mean
Speaker 1: is there's something going on in the Cleveland Cavaliers' locker room.
Speaker 1: Because there are two events, two confrontations that have happened
Speaker 1: on one out of thirty teams, and both of those
Speaker 1: incidents have ended in a food fight. No, excuse me,
Speaker 1: food assault actually, because a food fight really implies that
Speaker 1: like everyone's doing it, that I throw at you, you
Speaker 1: throw at me. No, this is one guy taking a
Speaker 1: hot bowl of soup and it's like burn yourself. I
Speaker 1: would say this is unusual, not only just the fact
Speaker 1: that it's happening on this team or professional sports, but
Speaker 1: it is unusual as a method of conflict resolution as
Speaker 1: a whole. Have you ever seen anyone throw food?
Speaker 2: Throw food? I feel like no. I may be able
Speaker 2: to like deep dive and think of something, but my
Speaker 2: initial answers.
Speaker 1: No, I've never seen it. I've never personally done it.
Speaker 1: I think my mom threw tomato juice at me one
Speaker 1: time because I wouldn't return a library book. I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: It was brutal reaction.
Speaker 1: It was a big time overreaction. But we have a
Speaker 1: pattern of food assaults now in the Cleveland Cavaliers locker room.
Speaker 1: Let me explain the Calves, as most folks know, are
Speaker 1: an irrelevant franchise history, speaking outside of when Lebron was there,
Speaker 1: and there are things that the organization does that tells
Speaker 1: you that things aren't exactly a well oiled machine. There.
Speaker 1: I could go into many, but I won't bore you
Speaker 1: with the details because there are a lot. But they're
Speaker 1: trying to turn a new leaf. You know, they still
Speaker 1: the problem is that they still have when you turn
Speaker 1: a new leaf, you still have vestiges of that old
Speaker 1: mentality and that old way of thinking they hang around.
Speaker 1: There are guys who are still hanging around who shouldn't
Speaker 1: be there. Let me introduce you now in our plot
Speaker 1: to Kevin Porter Junior, the protagonist of this Greek food tragedy.
Speaker 1: So okay, So the Calves went all in on Kevin
Speaker 1: Porter Junior in twenty nineteen. They paid a lot, I
Speaker 1: feel like to draft him, Marty. How much did they pay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was more than people really remember. So they
Speaker 2: traded up to thirty same spot Jimmy Butler was taken
Speaker 2: just fyi, and they sent four second rounders and five
Speaker 2: million cash to go snag him.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a guy that can't miss. Then,
Speaker 1: when you pay that much for him.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you'd like him to be on your
Speaker 2: team longer than a year.
Speaker 1: You would like that in reality, though we knew prior,
Speaker 1: anyone who was deep diving knew that Kevin Porter Junior
Speaker 1: was a risk. He had more red flags than John
Speaker 1: Wall's bandana drawer. And that's a blood joke, Marty. I
Speaker 1: got it, I got it, so many question marks heading
Speaker 1: into the draft. He got suspended for personal conduct reasons.
Speaker 1: He's I mean, he's a top ten talent, they said,
Speaker 1: but you knew that it was a flyer, and a
Speaker 1: bunch teams passed on him. When when James Dolan of
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks respectfully says, I pass That tells
Speaker 1: you pretty much all you need to know about a player.
Speaker 1: So enter Cleveland Cavalier. Kevin Porter Junior. Hasn't played many games,
Speaker 1: didn't play really a lot last year, taking a pause
Speaker 1: this year for some personal reasons. Hasn't been around the squad.
Speaker 1: And then something interesting happened. They started winning games sex Land,
Speaker 1: remember sex Land, and Andre Drummond is balling out, and
Speaker 1: they made a couple of trades. They got this guy,
Speaker 1: Torrian Prince to come in and fill the shoes of
Speaker 1: a wing god, cheered Allen. And that is when, right
Speaker 1: at that moment, Kevin Porter Junior decided I would like
Speaker 1: to come back to the team too. The problem is
Speaker 1: those guys, those new players, they needed a place, like
Speaker 1: all players do, to store their belongings. That place just
Speaker 1: happened to be where Kevin Porter Junior was storing his
Speaker 1: And that wasn't anyone's fault, really, It was JB. Bickerstaff saying, Yo,
Speaker 1: take this locker. This guy's not using it. This is
Speaker 1: your locker now. I don't know who moved his stuff.
Speaker 1: Someone did, and then Kevin Porter Junior returned back to
Speaker 1: the team and was like, Yo, where's my stuff? Uh,
Speaker 1: it's been moved. This this is now Torrian Prince's locker.
Speaker 1: Someone else's dirty draws and stinky sneakers was in his locker,
Speaker 1: and he had a normal, logical adult reaction. He lost
Speaker 1: his goddamn mind on Torrian Prince, this innocent bystander, trying
Speaker 1: to fit in with this new teammates, just doing what
Speaker 1: the coaches says, and all of a sudden, his new team,
Speaker 1: he's like, just been there a few days, there's already
Speaker 1: a physical altercation popping off. You think he saw Kevin
Speaker 1: Porter Junior's stuff and is in the locker and he's
Speaker 1: like this is my locker now punk? No, like come
Speaker 1: on now, it was done by the organization. But Kevin
Speaker 1: Porter Jr. He took that shit really personal, like very personal.
Speaker 1: His locker was jacked and is it fair that he
Speaker 1: lost his mind again? The TNT boy sounded off on that.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's a big deal.
Speaker 3: That's that's respectful.
Speaker 4: I mean do that. I don't care if you're a
Speaker 4: first man twelve man, you can't move my locker it
Speaker 4: out without calling me and be like, hey, we're gonna
Speaker 4: move your stuff and move.
Speaker 3: It from one area.
Speaker 4: Then, first of all, there's personal things in there.
Speaker 3: Let's start there.
Speaker 4: Second, like that is the ultimate sign. There's three things.
Speaker 4: That's the signs of respect for players.
Speaker 3: Their area, you know, it is the area, their uniform number.
Speaker 4: Like all of a sudden you come in like, oh
Speaker 4: we gave you a number. The shock because we said,
Speaker 4: well whoa wait, like that would be disrespectful.
Speaker 1: So that I would say, those guys know best, and yeah,
Speaker 1: you're touching someone's belongings, they're underwear, they're weed, they're steroids.
Speaker 1: Who knows. The one thing that we know for sure.
Speaker 2: Is that dere Ayton show.
Speaker 1: Yes it is OK. No one wants other people's paws
Speaker 1: on their stuff. Calves came in and were like, you're
Speaker 1: over there now, Kevin, and Kevin was like food. You
Speaker 1: see this PEB and J sixty percent peanut butter, forty
Speaker 1: percent jelly, Like duck, this thing's coming your way fast.
Speaker 1: At least it wasn't. It was just a world class tantrum.
Speaker 1: Just compare and apparently there were some words exchanged to
Speaker 1: words that JB. Bickerstaff. I'm not sure if you saw this,
Speaker 1: but JB. Bickerstaff said that in all of his time
Speaker 1: the head coach, in all of his time in the NBA,
Speaker 1: he's never heard these words before. Huh. I don't know
Speaker 1: what those words could be, but he's been around the
Speaker 1: league in locker rooms for over twenty years.
Speaker 2: Right, that had to be impressively offensive language.
Speaker 1: Yep. You had to be saying some slurs and some
Speaker 1: curse words in a combination. That was creative. But the
Speaker 1: wildest thing is that this isn't even the first time
Speaker 1: that it's happened. You had food assault where there was
Speaker 1: a guy who took his hot tortilla soup. This is
Speaker 1: a real story. Hot tortilla soup first bowl out of
Speaker 1: the pot and he tossed it on his assistant coach,
Speaker 1: scalded him, didn't speak for months. Marty hit the audio, but.
Speaker 3: I want to know, Okay, did he throw the soup
Speaker 3: at you?
Speaker 6: Or did he throw the bowl along with the soup
Speaker 6: at you?
Speaker 3: Like, did he like pour the soup on you? Did
Speaker 3: he launch the bowl? Well?
Speaker 5: For a long time, I refused to talk about the
Speaker 5: soup incident.
Speaker 3: This is a safe space.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's okay now because I've moved on.
Speaker 3: Me and j R.
Speaker 5: We talked about it, and you know, he apologized. But
Speaker 5: it was the bowl plus the super the bowl and
Speaker 5: the soup, and it was the first bowl out of
Speaker 5: the pot.
Speaker 3: So it was hot. Oh no, yes, oh no, very hot.
Speaker 5: How where did it get? You get the chest? He seated,
Speaker 5: went everywhere? No, I was standing up, Oh you're standing up,
Speaker 5: standing up? And it hit me and shoulder, arm, everywhere,
Speaker 5: It hit the wall, and I mean it was a mess.
Speaker 2: Left hand right.
Speaker 1: Wow. I remember that story like it was yesterday, and
Speaker 1: it still tickles me. It's it's very sad someone would
Speaker 1: rise to that level. But just soup.
Speaker 2: It's easy to forget about. Like and like, I love JR.
Speaker 2: And for some reason, I had just like erased this
Speaker 2: completely from my mind.
Speaker 3: But one of the.
Speaker 2: Weirder stories like of the last decade maybe like just
Speaker 2: in terms of just bizarre NBA.
Speaker 1: Stories, one hundred percent. And now you have Kevin Porter
Speaker 1: Junior doing the same exact thing. I don't think it
Speaker 1: was soup, but man, that experiment ended fast and it
Speaker 1: was expensive. Fifty games he played for the team, and
Speaker 1: food assault comes into play, and now the Calves are
Speaker 1: just struggling to find anyone who's willing to take him.
Speaker 1: Like imagine Marty, like, I call you up, You're the
Speaker 1: we'll call you the Suns GM okay, and I'm like
Speaker 1: ring ring ring ring, Oh good morning, Marty, and you're like,
Speaker 1: what do you say?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 3: How we doing Trista? What do you need?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, we've got a great a tremendous wing for you.
Speaker 1: Came from USC tremendous talent. We just have some a
Speaker 1: lot of depth on our team right now, so we
Speaker 1: need to get rid of some pieces. Great kid, really
Speaker 1: great arm Kevin Porter Junior.
Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah no, we were high on him in
Speaker 2: the draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, what would you guys be willing to
Speaker 1: trade for him?
Speaker 2: I'll throw in uh, I'll throw in Abdel and Madare Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: Then it's like click. So he ends up getting traded
Speaker 1: for this like top fifty five protected pick, which means
Speaker 1: that probably won't get anything for him. And you know
Speaker 1: where he ends up. Of course, he ends up in
Speaker 1: Houston slum lord Tillman for Titta's like, I'll take them,
Speaker 1: I'll take them for free. Yeah it's trash. I'll take
Speaker 1: that free couch off the side of the road. I
Speaker 1: have a room it can fit in. Yeah, I'll take
Speaker 1: that gamble. So Marty, yes, here we are again being
Speaker 1: the NETS podcast that we are. We need to go
Speaker 1: into detail that Kyrie Irving is using Instagram to send
Speaker 1: messages and symbols to the world. Again, please tell me
Speaker 1: what he just posted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have forced me to finally follow him as well.
Speaker 2: So okay, it's just a picture posts with texts, and
Speaker 2: the text says we will be on that stage, the
Speaker 2: stage where the best of the best meet, you know,
Speaker 2: the main stage where those who can do and those
Speaker 2: who cannot talk about those that are doing. If you're
Speaker 2: rolling with us, great, let's rock. If you're not, you
Speaker 2: know you want to talk about our greatness anyway with
Speaker 2: a bunch of exclamation points. And then there's some emojis too,
Speaker 2: right do you start fist airy symbol, leo symbol and
Speaker 2: then the shrug.
Speaker 1: So what I think is funny is not really the caption.
Speaker 1: We'll get into the caption, which is basically basically like
Speaker 1: when I get t so much on Twitter that I
Speaker 1: say a tweet like, oh, it must be sad to
Speaker 1: be an Internet troll. That's basically what Kyrie Irving he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's like, he's basically like, Oh, you're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: about our greatness anyway, We're gonna be on this stage.
Speaker 1: If you don't see it now, then you know whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, like you've been, you've been got The chatter
Speaker 1: is getting to Kyrie Irving. But the funniest thing to
Speaker 1: me was was the astrological symbols, because Kyrie, you don't
Speaker 1: put astrology in your caption, your own symbol the aries.
Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving is an arees unless you're a big fan
Speaker 1: and you buy in to your astrological your zodiac sign.
Speaker 1: He places so much value that he puts his sign
Speaker 1: in his ig posts. People who are about that life,
Speaker 1: they know their sign. They're fucking annoying people. By the way,
Speaker 1: those people, they're like, oh, yes, right now, my star
Speaker 1: is rising and means that I'm in for greatness is
Speaker 1: coming my way.
Speaker 2: The fact that Kyrie Irving thinks the stars and planets
Speaker 2: affect his life is like the least surprising thing ever.
Speaker 1: Exactly, but he believes these things to be true. So
Speaker 1: I looked into his zodiac. I sent you the descriptors
Speaker 1: of a typical Aries, and I think you just might
Speaker 1: be a zodiac believer after you read these two.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, we've got Aries are the leaders of
Speaker 2: the pack, first in line to get things going, weaknesses,
Speaker 2: lack of patience, mood alterations, predisposition for quick loss of temper, impulsiveness, aggressiveness,
Speaker 2: and Ares will always tell you what they're thinking with
Speaker 2: a frankness that may occasionally border on rudeness. Rams may
Speaker 2: also have a short fuse when an Aries is angry.
Speaker 2: They'll never play the passive aggressive card. But for people
Speaker 2: who don't know that well, their temper can be a turnoff.
Speaker 1: Are you a believer now.
Speaker 3: A little bit?
Speaker 2: I'm the needle is moved a little bit.
Speaker 1: Aries believe that they are number one, and they are
Speaker 1: the leader of the pack. They believe that it is
Speaker 1: their birthright to be in that top of the hierarchy.
Speaker 1: The celestial moons and the stars they have aligned when
Speaker 1: they were born for that to be them. And now
Speaker 1: what do we have. We have Kyrie Irving playing third
Speaker 1: fiddle when he knows in his heart of hearts, because
Speaker 1: the stars made it true, he is a leader of men.
Speaker 1: He should be in charge. This is only a matter
Speaker 1: of time before he self destructs, before this whole thing dissipates.
Speaker 1: He's already not speaking to Nash. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you saw it, but when he hit that game winner,
Speaker 1: all of his teammates are around him. A didn't see
Speaker 1: Nash anywhere nearby. No, not even in the frame, folks.
Speaker 1: Tensions are high. So the side note is that, yes,
Speaker 1: of course KD responded to the post right, he's like
Speaker 1: go off king, meaning that their lover's quarrel has now
Speaker 1: been diffused. But Andre Drummond, the center for the Cleveland Cavaliers,
Speaker 1: also responded big facts fire emoji, emoji emoji. The team
Speaker 1: that just smoked the nets twice is saying facts to
Speaker 1: a post that Kyrie Irving made about them being in
Speaker 1: the final stage at the end where only the greats
Speaker 1: are there, and Andre is like, I agree, I agree,
Speaker 1: you will be there. Maybe we will be there. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, huh, that's interesting because the Nets have been
Speaker 1: looking for a big man, and I heard that the
Speaker 1: Cavs were shopping Andre Drummond. And there again was another
Speaker 1: emoji in that post that we hadn't deciphered. We know
Speaker 1: what the star of David is, we know what the
Speaker 1: fist is, we know what the ares is. But who's
Speaker 1: the Leo? Leo's another astrological sign, Marty and I looked
Speaker 1: up Okay, all right, let me look up Kd's birthday. Nope, Libra,
Speaker 1: let me look up James Harden's one. Something else. Let
Speaker 1: me look up Sean Marks's zodiac symbol. Something else. I'm like,
Speaker 1: who the hell is a Leo? You know who is
Speaker 1: a Leo? Andre fucking Drummond, Man, I cracked the Kyrie
Speaker 1: Da Vinci code. I'm gonna say it here first. The
Speaker 1: fucking stars literally are aligned Drummond to the Nets. So
Speaker 1: in the last episode, if you caught it, we talked
Speaker 1: a lot of time about the Golden State Warriors and
Speaker 1: the problems that are coming around the Bend with Draymond
Speaker 1: Green and the big Man, James Wiseman number two overall
Speaker 1: draft pick. You know Draymond famously cussed out Kevin Durant superstar.
Speaker 1: You think he's worrying about James Wiseman's feelings. I do not.
Speaker 1: A week ago, we saw Draymond feverishly we'll call it
Speaker 1: passionately coaching up James Wiseman after he turned the ball
Speaker 1: over against the Lakers, and that became to me a
Speaker 1: sign of more to come. Draymond obviously had thoughts in
Speaker 1: the post game, and he said, you know what, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna try to make him better, and next time this happens,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it again. I'm gonna continue to be
Speaker 1: on his ass. And you know what, right after we
Speaker 1: filmed that night, last episode, he did it again. Did
Speaker 1: you see him?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: He got ejected because he was cussing his own tea.
Speaker 1: He made out something so explosive that the refs had
Speaker 1: to get him out of the game. They thought he
Speaker 1: was talking to them, or maybe they were just appalled.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was working off the Kevin Porter junior slur list.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure what it could have
Speaker 1: been but man, the league came out and they said, yep,
Speaker 1: we made a mistake. Draymond wasn't yelling at the refs.
Speaker 1: He in fact was yelling at his own teammate, James Wiseman.
Speaker 1: And I tell you what me, I'm concerned still. So
Speaker 1: I hit up some guys that cover the Warriors and
Speaker 1: have been covering the Warriors for like ten years, and
Speaker 1: I put the heat on these boys from the Bay.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna find out what's going on with Draymond Green,
Speaker 1: what's going on with James Wiseman, what is happening with
Speaker 1: the entire Warriors' team. There's a lot of suspicious things
Speaker 1: going on with Steve Kerr and these lineups. So let's
Speaker 1: bring on Sam Esfandiari and Andy Lou. We've got Sam
Speaker 1: Esfandieri and Andy Lou, the two members, the two hosts
Speaker 1: of the light Years podcast and the facto experts on
Speaker 1: everything with us. His video, Andy, you're just blowing off
Speaker 1: steam fans.
Speaker 3: It's nicotine, it's nicotine. We're good.
Speaker 1: It's all good. It's all goods, it's all good, two
Speaker 1: hosts of the light Years podcast. So I've got things
Speaker 1: to ask, I've got things to say, I've got things
Speaker 1: to ask I about thoughts, But we're just going to
Speaker 1: start off with softball eight and eight five hundred. How
Speaker 1: are you feeling?
Speaker 6: M Like, like, honestly, we're about to record our own
Speaker 6: pod after after this, and it's just just a lot
Speaker 6: of frustration with the coaching more than anything.
Speaker 7: Literally a week ago, Steph Curry hits a behind the
Speaker 7: he pulls a shot over Anthony Davis. They win the game. Honestly,
Speaker 7: it was pretty lucky. The Lakers looked like they kind
Speaker 7: of gave up in the third quarter, but Warriors fans like, all.
Speaker 3: Right, this is gonna be good.
Speaker 7: Then they beat down the Spurs like, okay, now we're
Speaker 7: gonna get on a run.
Speaker 3: Here, look like they're turning a corner.
Speaker 7: And then and then the bottom falls out because Steve Kerr.
Speaker 7: I think Warriors fans are ready to get Steve Kerr fired.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Think for a large audience, I think they'll enjoy that one.
Speaker 7: Steve Kerr is probably one of the most stubborn coaches
Speaker 7: in uh I was gonna say in sports, but at
Speaker 7: least in the NBA, he's got to be the most
Speaker 7: stubborn coach. He's playing just one of the worst starting
Speaker 7: lineups in the league, and he doesn't seem to want
Speaker 7: to stay away from that because I don't know. I
Speaker 7: don't know why it is.
Speaker 6: Statistically the worst starting lineup, the worst I like a
Speaker 6: substantial margin. It's one of those things where it's like
Speaker 6: if you saw a Saturday Nights game against each other,
Speaker 6: they're just they were down twenty points with you know,
Speaker 6: three minutes off the clock.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it's like twenty.
Speaker 6: Two to five were at the eight minute mark in
Speaker 6: the first quarter, and it's like, what are we even
Speaker 6: doing now?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that game was over pretty much right as it started.
Speaker 1: I think I had Warriors minus or Warriors plus six
Speaker 1: plus seven.
Speaker 3: Like you tell us the better team. I'm not.
Speaker 6: I'm not like pretending they're not. But it's like the
Speaker 6: way in which the Warriors lose some of these games.
Speaker 6: It's just like, you know, like they play a competitive
Speaker 6: game and then you know, Utah pulls away because they're
Speaker 6: just a better team.
Speaker 3: It happens, right, but it's like just not showing up
Speaker 3: is just infuriating. It looked like like.
Speaker 6: That opening Night game, like everyone saw that against the Nets,
Speaker 6: are like, the Warrior is gonna be the worst team
Speaker 6: in the league again, you.
Speaker 1: Know, like that, I thought, that's what I thought. Who's
Speaker 1: in the starting lineup? You think should be out?
Speaker 7: Oh, that's that's Kelly Oubra for me, because I think
Speaker 7: I think, you know, maybe it should be James Wiseman.
Speaker 7: James Wison probably shouldn't even be playing basketball right now
Speaker 7: for a team that wants to be in the postseason
Speaker 7: like that, that's probably like something that that shouldn't happen.
Speaker 3: But they have no.
Speaker 7: Choice, right They're like, Hey, we don't have any size.
Speaker 7: We want to develop this guy. He's nineteen years Oh
Speaker 7: he's going to be our starting center for however much longer,
Speaker 7: so they're going to keep him in there. I think
Speaker 7: the guy that you can take out is got to
Speaker 7: be Ubra, who who's fun. He's like, he's fun to watch.
Speaker 7: He plays really hard, but he doesn't pass. He doesn't
Speaker 7: really know what he's doing out there. And at least
Speaker 7: he'd be a nice microwave score off the bench, which
Speaker 7: is probably his best role. And just put Damian Lee,
Speaker 7: who's a shooter in there in space the floor a
Speaker 7: little bit. But I you know, they're paying eighty million
Speaker 7: dollars in taxes for Kelly Oubres.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if they want to do that either.
Speaker 1: It's brutal Kelly Kelly. I think I can fill Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant shoes, Ubra shooting from the field twenty.
Speaker 3: Up to thirty five.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, daddy, it's pretty good. It's pretty good, multiple
Speaker 1: multiple games. So is this a team that wants to
Speaker 1: go to the playoffs?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 6: I think that's like the interesting thing because it's like
Speaker 6: everything Steve Kerr says is like, we're building for the future.
Speaker 6: You know, it kind of makes sense when you draft
Speaker 6: in nineteen year old number two overall, but then you
Speaker 6: have Steph Curry who's still in his prime and Draymond Green,
Speaker 6: who is not a very patient man in his own right.
Speaker 6: It's like it feels like mixed messages because like no
Speaker 6: one thinks they're a contender with you know, Klay Thompson
Speaker 6: goes down before the season start. That kind of changes expectations.
Speaker 6: But it's like it's a weird spot where like they're
Speaker 6: not really tanking for the future, but they're also not
Speaker 6: doing things to maximize the group which they have right now.
Speaker 6: And I think That's what's really frustrating I Warrior fans. Like,
Speaker 6: I'll speak for myself here, but it's like, just just
Speaker 6: go for it with what you have, and then you know,
Speaker 6: maybe you get to the second round, maybe you make
Speaker 6: some noise, maybe that helps you in the free agency
Speaker 6: and people are like, well, yeah, Steph Curry is still
Speaker 6: one of the three or four best players in the league.
Speaker 6: Maybe if I go to that team, I can help
Speaker 6: push them back into that contention. Like if I was,
Speaker 6: that's the way I would be looking at it, because like,
Speaker 6: you still have Steph and his prime. You shouldn't just
Speaker 6: be wasting what is this like five year plan you're doing.
Speaker 6: He's thirty two years old, right, Like I mean, I know,
Speaker 6: Tom Brady's going to the super Bowl and looks like
Speaker 6: he's another twenty years in him, but like generally that
Speaker 6: doesn't work out for athletes, Like you know, just because
Speaker 6: Lebron looks like he's not slowing down at thirty six
Speaker 6: does not mean Steph Curry has another eight years of
Speaker 6: his prime left.
Speaker 1: A couple of things that you mentioned I think are
Speaker 1: really interesting. One you talked about the development of a
Speaker 1: guy who's really young in James Wiseman, and you also
Speaker 1: talked about Draymond Green, who's very vocal, very stubborn, one
Speaker 1: of the most intriguing for someone who hosted podcast that
Speaker 1: likes to touch on storylines. This Draymond Green James Wiseman,
Speaker 1: we'll call it relationship is very interesting to me. From
Speaker 1: what I can see, it seems like James wisen is
Speaker 1: a little bit of a deer headlights doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to play organize basketball. In my opinion, yes, I think
Speaker 1: I think Draymond Green has maximized his potential and his
Speaker 1: physical limitations. Will say, based on his IQ and the
Speaker 1: ability to know the game. He sees James Wiseman filled
Speaker 1: with physical gifts and he's like, why don't you know
Speaker 1: how to play basketball? Young king? So my thought is,
Speaker 1: James Wise is gonna get paid a lot of money soon.
Speaker 1: What incentive is he going to have to add to
Speaker 1: his game at that point? Do you think there's a
Speaker 1: potential for James Wiseman to be like an Andrew Bynem.
Speaker 6: So I'll throw this out there, that is correct. With Drammond,
Speaker 6: he did not particularly seem to love D'Angelo Russell last year,
Speaker 6: who he viewed as someone who had you know, made
Speaker 6: more talent than him, just in terms of like scoring
Speaker 6: the ball and all that stuff, and he didn't feel
Speaker 6: like he worked as hard as him or hard enough. Right,
Speaker 6: the other thing I've seen gives me any indication they
Speaker 6: feels that way about Wiseman now, Like right now, him
Speaker 6: and Steph Curry seem to really like him, which indicates
Speaker 6: that they think he works hard. But at a certain
Speaker 6: point they'll probably get frustrated with like, all right, you know,
Speaker 6: it's great that you you know, run wind sprints with
Speaker 6: the best of them or something like that, but it
Speaker 6: has to actually start translating.
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know when that'll come.
Speaker 6: But like there's no sign that they are down on
Speaker 6: him at this point. It's actually quite the opposite. They
Speaker 6: feel they seem to feel like really positive about him.
Speaker 7: It's like too too positive almost. They feel a little
Speaker 7: bit too positive about Wiseman. They think I think they
Speaker 7: think he's like the next Anthony Davis. And so there's
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff with James Wiseman that's awesome, But
Speaker 7: there's a lot of stuff right now, even if he's nineteen,
Speaker 7: where it's like he doesn't really know like the feel
Speaker 7: of the game he doesn't really have, which is a
Speaker 7: little bit of the problem. I do think him on
Speaker 7: a lot of this is him selfishly wanting to be
Speaker 7: like known as the guy that made James Wiseman into
Speaker 7: an elite NBA big.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of it.
Speaker 7: Like the next phase of Dremont's career is to be
Speaker 7: the next Shack or Barkley and or like a front
Speaker 7: office guy. Right, So I think this is like something
Speaker 7: he's going to say, well, I developed James Wiseman to
Speaker 7: be the best big in the NBA.
Speaker 3: I think that's like a lot.
Speaker 6: Of when Wiseman dunks all over everyone in two years,
Speaker 6: they'll be like, that was all me.
Speaker 3: I think that's what he's going for here, which is
Speaker 3: kind of smart.
Speaker 1: But if you don't know the game by now, what
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have no feel because we know
Speaker 1: that a guy this big has basically made a living
Speaker 1: and gotten to this point based on that athletic ability,
Speaker 1: family struggling right at that point, having to do certain
Speaker 1: things that broke NCUBA rules. If if you're not understanding
Speaker 1: how to play organize basketball when you know that it's critical,
Speaker 1: what's going to happen once once the Warriors pay.
Speaker 6: Him, So I think that's a different thing. Though right
Speaker 6: now when I watch him, I just think it's too
Speaker 6: everything's too fast for him. Like you watch him, and
Speaker 6: you you see like a guy who like literally played
Speaker 6: high school ball and then jumped to the NBA.
Speaker 3: And just because like physically.
Speaker 6: He's an NBA guy does not mean mentally he can
Speaker 6: process the game that pas I don't know if he
Speaker 6: ever will though like that, I mean it's fair to say, like, Okay,
Speaker 6: so the game's too fast for f him now, that
Speaker 6: does not mean in two years it slows down.
Speaker 3: It may or may not. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 3: it's kind of one of those things.
Speaker 6: But it's, uh, you know, I guess it's we'll see,
Speaker 6: I guess. I guess it gets back to the over
Speaker 6: the overriding question with the Warriors, which is like he's
Speaker 6: probably two years away at minimum from being like a
Speaker 6: winning player, like being a guy you can feel confident
Speaker 6: about maybe starting on a playoff team. And in the meantime,
Speaker 6: you have Steph Curry who's thirty two. You have Draymond
Speaker 6: Green who's turning he's thirty. They both are gonna turn
Speaker 6: it your older in like the next month or so,
Speaker 6: are they just gonna like chill for like the next
Speaker 6: three years and like hope that like Wiseman, you know,
Speaker 6: like all clicks for him at like twenty one or
Speaker 6: twenty two.
Speaker 3: Or are they like they're.
Speaker 6: Kind of the only team in the NBA who's got
Speaker 6: like they're on both trajectories but like not committed to
Speaker 6: either one.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
Speaker 1: That's why it's for me the most as well.
Speaker 6: It's like they're not the Spurs. They'd like they love
Speaker 6: to think of themselves as like we're the new Spurs.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I don't really recall this happening with like
Speaker 6: Kawhi and when they have like the you know, like
Speaker 6: when Kauhi was like the young guy there is like
Speaker 6: I still recall them winning like fifty five to sixty games.
Speaker 7: Well, I guess they would have if Clay was healthy,
Speaker 7: like maybe not sixty games, but they like they would
Speaker 7: have gotten there. So like they're doing it a little
Speaker 7: bit hamstrung. I think with Wiseman though, the one the
Speaker 7: one real issue I think is he might be a
Speaker 7: little he might be a little soft. Like that's the
Speaker 7: only thing where I think where it's like I'm not
Speaker 7: talking about soft like like he just doesn't like there
Speaker 7: are plays where he's gonna like he'll rip the rebound
Speaker 7: dunket and then he'll get really excited. But you just
Speaker 7: don't see that enough out of the guy. A lot
Speaker 7: of this is like he's really young, but a lot
Speaker 7: of it's like he wants Steve Curs says he wants
Speaker 7: him to talk to KG and you remember, Kay, like
Speaker 7: that's KG, right, Like that's that's what he wants out
Speaker 7: of it.
Speaker 3: You don't see that enough on Wiseman.
Speaker 7: So maybe that's I think the only that that's the
Speaker 7: thing where it's okay, that's the problem I see right
Speaker 7: now will be like it might be a little soft.
Speaker 7: And then if you are, because that's really not great
Speaker 7: to be around. Draymond though, just kill you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say, because if if that's like
Speaker 3: a real.
Speaker 6: Thing, like he just doesn't like contact from content. So
Speaker 6: I don't think you grow out of that, Like you're
Speaker 6: either you're either the guy who likes to just bulldoze
Speaker 6: everyone physically or you're not like Eric Pascal, right yeah,
Speaker 6: or Draymond quite frankly, you know, like that's like I
Speaker 6: mean he Draymond has no problem mixing it up.
Speaker 1: So to say, no, absolutely, I think that's Uh, it's
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on. I'm calling it now.
Speaker 1: I'm just on that. That is my forecast. Now this
Speaker 1: is not going to Uh, I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: get better. You guys can hold me accountable to that.
Speaker 1: If James Wiseman becomes like the next ad the next
Speaker 1: be honest. Uh, speaking of hot takes that I've had
Speaker 1: that I've waffled on, please sell me on Steph Curry
Speaker 1: being batman.
Speaker 6: Oh, come on, five straight finals, three without Kevin Durant.
Speaker 3: Let's keep that in mind.
Speaker 6: Did Kevin Durant play against your Portland Trailblazers when Steph
Speaker 6: set the record for points in a sweep? Did Steph
Speaker 6: play against Houston when he embarrassed James Harden and PJ.
Speaker 6: Tucker and Chris Paul for like the eight billionth time.
Speaker 3: In a row.
Speaker 6: Like you can say what you want about Katie Kawhi.
Speaker 6: They're both physically more impressive. They can do certain things
Speaker 6: that Steph can't do by proxy of just the reality.
Speaker 6: Like Steph can't make himself six', ten that's not something
Speaker 6: he can, do but he he's the centerpiece of the
Speaker 6: best team of the last. Decade everything revolves around.
Speaker 3: Him and you, know if you want.
Speaker 6: To Say katie's better than, Him i'm not opposed to.
Speaker 6: IT i just don't understand why they continue to win
Speaker 6: games at a higher clip WHEN kd sat And steph
Speaker 6: played and not vice.
Speaker 3: Versa maybe that's a coaching. THING i don't. Know but
Speaker 3: like he's he's he's still.
Speaker 6: Very much one of Those he's one of the like
Speaker 6: three or four players in the. LEAGUE i think you
Speaker 6: can actually build a title contender. Around would you like
Speaker 6: it's been?
Speaker 7: DONE i THINK i think there's a standard Of Steph
Speaker 7: curry that we don't even want him As. BATMAN i
Speaker 7: think there are a lot of people that want him
Speaker 7: to Be, superman where it's like there's just, gifts Like
Speaker 7: superman could Kill batman in about two, seconds, Right like
Speaker 7: that's that's the ongoing joke About, batman AND i think
Speaker 7: that that's what you see out of someone Like Michael.
Speaker 7: JORDAN i don't even Think lebron is at that. LEVEL
Speaker 7: i think With Steph, CURRY i think people want him
Speaker 7: to be like this unstoppable, force which he was for a,
Speaker 7: while and now that he not necessarily Is let's keep
Speaker 7: in mind. Though he also my favorite part is that
Speaker 7: he actually Beat Kevin durant in his seven game series
Speaker 7: in the. Postseason it's probably my favorite. Part but like
Speaker 7: they expect him to be this great player day in
Speaker 7: and day, out and it's, like we do. Know it's
Speaker 7: like the regular, season the regular, season seventy two. Games
Speaker 7: now it just this. Happens he's gonna have shitty. GAMES
Speaker 7: i think the one criticism right now For Steph, curry
Speaker 7: even From warriors, fans and we haven't seen this in
Speaker 7: a long, time is that he's so great off the
Speaker 7: ball that he's used to playing that way with a
Speaker 7: lot of people that know how to play with, him
Speaker 7: and right now he's playing with.
Speaker 3: Guys that don't know how to play that.
Speaker 7: Way the counterpoint is That steph can actually play on
Speaker 7: the ball and handle and run a defense on offense,
Speaker 7: too but it just seems like he doesn't want. To
Speaker 7: AND i think that that's a little bit of A
Speaker 7: christism With stefph, today is that he's just not willing
Speaker 7: to do that because he has to kind of rewire
Speaker 7: his brain to play the way that people want him to,
Speaker 7: play which Is kyrie Harden kd all those Guys y're honest,
Speaker 7: even and he's. Not he's just not that. Guy so
Speaker 7: we'll see if he gets because he could average like
Speaker 7: thirty five. POINTS i just don't know how much that,
Speaker 7: matters but we'll. See how it's only been sixteen games for.
Speaker 1: SURE i you talked About Steve kerr and how stubborn he.
Speaker 1: Is my QUESTION i have never asked A warriors, reporter
Speaker 1: And i've had conversations with this a lot with other.
Speaker 1: Friends how many rings Does Mark jackson get If steve that, Job.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna still go.
Speaker 6: ZERO i feel like people forget some of the weird
Speaker 6: stuff About Mark. JACKSON i, mean that would be a
Speaker 6: fun podcast to. Do the dude told the locker room
Speaker 6: That festus A zeally was rooting for them to lose
Speaker 6: because he was out, injured to the point where they
Speaker 6: had like a confrontation And festus, cried pleading his case
Speaker 6: that that wasn't.
Speaker 7: True his assistant coach also got fired because he was
Speaker 7: secretly recording What Mark jackson was. Saying that's also a fun. One,
Speaker 7: yeah there's a lot of stuff With Mark. JACKSON i
Speaker 7: will say, this so he should have been he should
Speaker 7: have been announced. It he also played a style with
Speaker 7: the team that that was very, Like, actually now that
Speaker 7: you mentioned, it he actually played a style With Stephen
Speaker 7: clay where those guys get to shoot as many times they.
Speaker 7: Wanted it's it's like basically What warriors fans ironically want
Speaker 7: those guys to.
Speaker 3: Do right.
Speaker 7: Now, now if you told, me for some, reason IF
Speaker 7: kd wanted to go to The warriors And Mark jackson
Speaker 7: was still the, coach THEN i would, say, yeah they
Speaker 7: probably win, anyway like they Probably.
Speaker 6: I'd Say, Andy, Andy OR i could have coached the,
Speaker 6: team the twenty seventeen team With katie and all those.
Speaker 7: Guys But katie would not have gone to The warriors
Speaker 7: And Steve curR was the, coach then is the counterpoint to?
Speaker 7: That SO i would say zero. Two but Like Mike
Speaker 7: brown had that team ready to win a championship WITH.
Speaker 7: Kd and, actually now that you and now we're on
Speaker 7: The steve kerk topic is actually one of the biggest
Speaker 7: reasons Why kadi left is that he wanted to play
Speaker 7: a certain way that was more conducive to his, style
Speaker 7: right to what he wanted in the late game, situations
Speaker 7: And Steve kerr like he is right, now is, saying,
Speaker 7: well you're gonna play my, Way you're gonna play in
Speaker 7: this system THAT i. Want and that's one of the
Speaker 7: reasons Wh kyrie, SAID i Mean katie's, Today i'm out of.
Speaker 1: Here, yeah he wanted to play MORE iso ball And
Speaker 1: steve didn't want. TO i think it was like he
Speaker 1: they basically. Changed it was like more iso and then
Speaker 1: less and less and less and, less and then it
Speaker 1: felt kind of Like katie was just requiring more in
Speaker 1: order to, stay which is very. Interesting do you Think
Speaker 1: Steve kerr gets fired at the end of this?
Speaker 3: Year, no no.
Speaker 6: Chance in, fact ninety percent of the complaints that we
Speaker 6: hear on our, show and just kind of like the
Speaker 6: general sentiment there is because there's like it just feels
Speaker 6: like there's NO i want to say, pressure but like
Speaker 6: no urgency with. Anything you, Know it's like he's not getting,
Speaker 6: fired they're not Firing Bob, Myers LIKE i highly doubt
Speaker 6: anything's changed, there and so it just feels like there's
Speaker 6: no urgency to do.
Speaker 3: Anything, ever.
Speaker 1: Here's a random question With KELLY u right now, engaged
Speaker 1: who's the now who's now The king Of Horny hours
Speaker 1: for The, Warriors.
Speaker 3: Oh without, It oh without a, doubt without a, Doubt Klay.
Speaker 8: Thompson Klay, Thompson Clay thompson The king before even With
Speaker 8: ubray a, single they Put Steph Kelly ubray and and
Speaker 8: And Klay thompson on one.
Speaker 3: Team it's it's Not it's just it's. Not what is the?
Speaker 3: Point come? On But Klay thompson who was going out
Speaker 3: with what.
Speaker 7: Is what was her, Name? LAURA i forget her, name
Speaker 7: but she. Was they were going out for a little
Speaker 7: while and all the. Words fans were very. Happy it
Speaker 7: seemed Like klay had turned in the corner and then
Speaker 7: unshockingly they broke up and Not clay's. Back so he's
Speaker 7: he's The. King he's, undefeated there's no there's no beating
Speaker 7: The Rick fox of his, generation.
Speaker 1: So, smooth so under like under cells, himself very.
Speaker 6: Smart have you heard anyone say a negative thing About Klay, Thompson,
Speaker 6: like are There clay tom some haters out?
Speaker 3: THERE i, mean because you.
Speaker 1: Know what's crazy is there's a guy in this office
Speaker 1: who says that To clay is not a top fifty
Speaker 1: player in the league because he looks at this analytics
Speaker 1: so so for, him because he listens to this pod.
Speaker 1: Religiously tell me where you Rank clay and why and
Speaker 1: why the analytics don't matter when it comes To.
Speaker 6: Clay, wow we're talking about where he tore everything in
Speaker 6: both of his.
Speaker 1: Legs you're, correct, correct pre pre, Injury Clay.
Speaker 6: THOMPSON i, mean how many wings are there that can
Speaker 6: score twenty points, consistently shoot, efficiently and play high level.
Speaker 3: Defense like it's one of those.
Speaker 6: Things where you're, like, oh, well and then you start
Speaker 6: making the list and you know it's like Obviously, Kawhi Paul,
Speaker 6: George Jimmy, butler and then you you, Know Jason, tatum
Speaker 6: and then you're, like, well Maybe clay might be the
Speaker 6: fifth or sixth best Wing after those.
Speaker 3: Guys there's just not a lot of who can do
Speaker 3: the things he.
Speaker 6: Does even if he can't like dribble through his legs
Speaker 6: Like James harden or any of that fancy. Stuff he
Speaker 6: just he's wildly effective at things that contribute to.
Speaker 3: Winning look at The warriors this.
Speaker 6: Year they replaced him With wiggins And, ubre who are. Starters,
Speaker 6: right they're Starting cali average maybe slightly at, best maybe
Speaker 6: a little.
Speaker 3: Above maybe maybe.
Speaker 6: Not and they And steph still want To he's probably
Speaker 6: still the best point guard in the, league and he's
Speaker 6: still an excellent, player and they're decidedly average team without his, presence,
Speaker 6: Right like even it Takes steph scoring sixty for them
Speaker 6: to Beat, portland who's like a pretty good team but
Speaker 6: probably not gonna win a, title right like those and
Speaker 6: then but then you Put clay on that, team AND i,
Speaker 6: MEAN i don't Think portland ever beat them in a
Speaker 6: game that mattered over the last. Decade and you, Know
Speaker 6: steph was always always the better. Player but like the
Speaker 6: combo of those two is just like.
Speaker 3: As good as dam and Ces. A they didn't. EXACTLY
Speaker 3: i think that's the fit stuff With.
Speaker 7: CLAY i think the analytics don't look too kindly on
Speaker 7: him because he doesn't have defensive, stats so no role,
Speaker 7: steals no rold, blocks. Uh but he's like the best
Speaker 7: defensive assignment guy that The warriors can throw on.
Speaker 6: Someone he's probably the best three AND d like wing
Speaker 6: player in THE, nba like specifically shoot, threes defend, wings defend,
Speaker 6: Guards like that's the guy that's the best in THE.
Speaker 3: Nba and he can also play next to everyone else.
Speaker 7: Offensively the analytics are also aren't great BECAUSE i can
Speaker 7: get to the free throw line like his.
Speaker 6: Field he's not really a, playmaker like analytics don't really
Speaker 6: bring into, account like him running in a circle taking
Speaker 6: three defenders And draymond getting a layup on that, play
Speaker 6: and like we've Watched draymond play Without clay And, staff
Speaker 6: that layup's not there without, them, Right like it's just
Speaker 6: it just kind of is what it. Is like there's
Speaker 6: he has like a freak out capacity to defenses because
Speaker 6: like he can miss ten shots in a, Row they're
Speaker 6: still going to pay attention to him no matter where
Speaker 6: he is on the court because we've seen him make
Speaker 6: ten shots in a row immediately after missing.
Speaker 1: Ten so WHILE i have you here BEFORE i let you,
Speaker 1: roll what is the or quart of the? Way what
Speaker 1: is your prediction for what this team is going to
Speaker 1: end up doing given its current starting five and the
Speaker 1: trajectory that you've seen in the last few.
Speaker 3: Games for, ME i.
Speaker 6: Think That Steve kurt is going to actually create some emergency.
Speaker 6: HERE i think he's realized there.
Speaker 7: Is a lot of mistakes that he's making literally BECAUSE
Speaker 7: i think he's, stubborn because he wants his offense to
Speaker 7: run a certain. Way it's Like Phil, jackson When Phil
Speaker 7: jackson was trying to like push the triangle onto players
Speaker 7: in the modern, age where they were, like this is
Speaker 7: just not how we play. Basketball AND i think that's
Speaker 7: What Steve kurr is. Doing with a lot of guys
Speaker 7: Like Derek pascal And Jow, Wiggins Kelly, Ubre James wiseman
Speaker 7: are just, like.
Speaker 3: Look this is great in. THEORY i get.
Speaker 7: It and if you Had Andre, Dollar Sean livingston And
Speaker 7: katie And, klay this would make.
Speaker 3: Sense but you.
Speaker 7: Don't so let's just play a normal way where everyone
Speaker 7: else is playing right, now spread the, floor run out
Speaker 7: a lot of high pinker.
Speaker 3: ROLL i think he'll end up doing.
Speaker 7: THAT i think The warriors do end up being a
Speaker 7: six seed or a five, seed and.
Speaker 6: Unfortunately part of that is Because portland's. Injured like that,
Speaker 6: actually like sadly, enough helps The.
Speaker 7: WARRIORS i think there's a lot Of west teams in the,
Speaker 7: league The west teams that aren't very good, Either So
Speaker 7: i'll probably have them as a six seed and staying
Speaker 7: out of the playing, Game.
Speaker 3: I'll be a little.
Speaker 6: LOWER i think they're gonna keep riding this weird win
Speaker 6: to lose two win, three maybe lose two and kind
Speaker 6: of end up in a seven eight. Seed you, KNOW
Speaker 6: i think they can put up a nice little. Fight
Speaker 6: steph will definitely steal a game or two against like The,
Speaker 6: lakers but.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna work out for.
Speaker 6: Them and THEN i think it gets interesting BECAUSE i
Speaker 6: think you're gonna start seeing a little pressure on the.
Speaker 6: Team you're gonna get the. UH i did the good
Speaker 6: soldier thing all. Year i'm not signing up to have
Speaker 6: the entire rest of my career look like, This so
Speaker 6: do something a little more.
Speaker 3: Aggressive stuff is. Gone you heard it here. First that's
Speaker 3: All i'm. Saying i'm sad that was gone the end.
Speaker 1: Of the, year hasn't, signed has not signed an, extension
Speaker 1: hasn't really talked. There you go a lot about the
Speaker 1: fact that it's going to get. Done, certainly if you're
Speaker 1: watching what you're, watching if Your, steph you're certainly evaluating your.
Speaker 1: OPTIONS i don't hear Any Klay. Thompson i'm a warrior
Speaker 1: for life, talk that is for.
Speaker 6: Sure right, now we're trying to Get clay out of
Speaker 6: a walking. Boot that's that's that's starting point right. There
Speaker 6: starting worry about What jersey He wears after, that and.
Speaker 1: You also get the first round pick for The wolves
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, one probably going to be a top five.
Speaker 1: Pick so maybe they'll Convince steph that that guy's the
Speaker 1: next coming of genius or.
Speaker 6: Maybe or maybe they'll package that In wiseman and you,
Speaker 6: know offer the poo poo platter of next superstars to
Speaker 6: you know, what, whoever whoever the next guy?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 3: Who who demands a trade?
Speaker 6: DEAL i don't, Know, like what have we ever gone
Speaker 6: more than six months without some superstar demanding? Out someone's
Speaker 6: gonna be someone's gonna ask for a.
Speaker 1: Trade if you Gave wiseman and a first to The
Speaker 1: wolves For Karl Anthony towns would, Work.
Speaker 3: YEAH i THINK I i, mean do that in less
Speaker 3: than a.
Speaker 6: Second, YEAH i mean it kind of times up to
Speaker 6: what we were talking, about where it's Like towns is
Speaker 6: actually in a part of his career where he's contributing to,
Speaker 6: productive winning basketball as opposed to being this theoretical guy
Speaker 6: who in twenty twenty four could be the best big
Speaker 6: man in the.
Speaker 3: League, Right so, like with that, pick what's that? Pick
Speaker 3: The wolves can even draft, like you, know Kr Anthony,
Speaker 3: Towns so we could they could even do, That, so uh,
Speaker 3: NO i think The warriors would do.
Speaker 6: THAT i THINK i think The minnesota is. Man they
Speaker 6: lost that trade really, Badly. Delo they're losing. Team they're losing.
Speaker 6: Team with, me we get to and then we get
Speaker 6: to Reunite wiggins And, towns which everyone's been you, know
Speaker 6: crying for on the. Internet they're just, like we need
Speaker 6: to see them together.
Speaker 1: Again, yeah big, smokers, loving loving the, Trees jeffersons. TREES i.
Speaker 1: Heard that's all the time that we. Have thank you
Speaker 1: so much For sam S mendr And Andy louver for coming.
Speaker 1: ON i am definitely going to be hitting you guys
Speaker 1: up as More warriors news comes.
Speaker 7: Through.
Speaker 1: Uh i'm gonna be definitely keeping my eye also On
Speaker 1: Draymond green And James wiseman and whether he gets ejected
Speaker 1: again for cussing.
Speaker 2: Out this on.
Speaker 1: Teammates so thank. You i'll see you. Guys, bye. Guys
Speaker 1: let me just say this before we get into LISTENER.
Speaker 1: Dms if if someone goes back to a hoopdie from a,
Speaker 1: bens you don't need to ask where they're going to.
Speaker 1: Be they're not staying with. You SO i just THOUGHT
Speaker 1: i would say that for anyone who's listening if they
Speaker 1: think that the money that they make has no influence
Speaker 1: on the relationships that they have with. OTHERS i just
Speaker 1: had to say, that let's get into SIM.
Speaker 2: Dms all, right we've got why no co host the.
Speaker 1: Pod first of, all that's a little disrespectful to, You Mary,
Speaker 1: ouch like you are a contributor in a huge. Way
Speaker 1: but WHAT i would say, is, uh there's a lot
Speaker 1: of male journalists that cover THE nba that are. Solo
Speaker 1: you've Got Colin, Cowherd you've Got, woes there's. More IF
Speaker 1: i Think, Abbristow Dunk, dawn nobody's, asking, hey, guys why
Speaker 1: don't you have a co? Host FAM i, mean the
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Speaker 1: it by myself. Too my natural inclination is to lift others.
Speaker 1: UP i was a host myself WHERE i would just
Speaker 1: deliver lobs all, day making everyone else look, Good and people,
Speaker 1: said we're not really sure if you're, Funny we're not
Speaker 1: really sure if you have A pov or your takes
Speaker 1: of your own because everyone else around, you you're teeing them.
Speaker 1: Up you're, like do you think about? This oh, yeah
Speaker 1: what about? This so now anyone who enjoys this, pod
Speaker 1: they have nothing to. Say the only reason it's funny
Speaker 1: is Because i'm. Funny if you like the, take it's my.
Speaker 1: TAKE i THINK i said this in a prior, episode
Speaker 1: BUT I i love to, collaborate BUT i want everyone
Speaker 1: to know That I'm i'm that, guy the guy That
Speaker 1: Donovan mitchell clearly is. NOT i want everyone to KNOW
Speaker 1: i can put the cinder blocks on my back and
Speaker 1: walk up the mountain alone Because i'm built like. That
Speaker 1: and if you don't like MY, pov there's no one
Speaker 1: else to blame but. Me you don't like, it, cool
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Speaker 2: Else's, okay who's your all time favorite?
Speaker 1: Athlete did you see? This Scottie? Pippen there was a
Speaker 1: clip that just came out the other. Day Scotty pippen
Speaker 1: hits he's shooting free throws in the early. Nineties he
Speaker 1: misses a free throw and before you can even know
Speaker 1: what's going, On Michael jordan comes out of the sky
Speaker 1: and slams it down with a fever that you've never,
Speaker 1: seen and you're, like, Holy, holy what was? That and
Speaker 1: that is something that got me thinking About. Jordan WHY
Speaker 1: i thought he's so WHY i think he's so. Great
Speaker 1: he was one of those guys who was not enough
Speaker 1: for him to dominate. You it was not enough for
Speaker 1: him to show you how good he. Was he needed
Speaker 1: to embarrass you on all, levels at all the. Time
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if it's the third game of the
Speaker 1: season or in The Western Conference finals against The, blazers
Speaker 1: which that was against The. Blazers that, game he needed
Speaker 1: you to know that there is no. Shot you aren't
Speaker 1: even on my level in any, way not in, rebounds not,
Speaker 1: defending not in, dougs not in, shooting. Nothing don't even
Speaker 1: get that into your. Head he, is to, me the
Speaker 1: origin story Of Kobe bryant And Lebron james and so many. Others,
Speaker 1: SEE i think you have to, say for anyone who
Speaker 1: grew up playing, basketball that your all time favorite athlete
Speaker 1: has gotta Be Michael, jordan or it's sacrilegious to a. Degree,
Speaker 1: yeah would you.
Speaker 2: AGREE i mean everyone our age just had. THAT i
Speaker 2: mean if you say you, didn't you're. Lying LIKE i,
Speaker 2: Mean Space jam all those. TITLES i, mean there was
Speaker 2: something about him that was just excellent and you were
Speaker 2: just drawn to.
Speaker 1: It it's.
Speaker 2: True, yeah if you could change any of YOUR Nba
Speaker 2: league predictions after the first month in the, books would.
Speaker 1: YOU i said very early on that The clippers were.
Speaker 1: TRASH i think they've won thirteen games. Already they've just
Speaker 1: been quietly, winning no. Drama it almost is like they don't.
Speaker 1: EXIST i haven't watched a ton of their games because
Speaker 1: it's on they're On Super. Late but they had a
Speaker 1: couple of huge. Pickups they got this Guy Serge ibaka
Speaker 1: who's really good friends With, Kawhi Leonard Nick, batoom WHO
Speaker 1: i felt like was basically retired and on his last
Speaker 1: leg and now he is back. Balling are they? CONTENDERS
Speaker 1: i don't. Know wait and, see BUT i THINK i
Speaker 1: was wrong about them falling, off having one of those
Speaker 1: like we'll call it hangover seasons after you lose in
Speaker 1: that fashion that you. Lost So i'm not a big
Speaker 1: playoff p, fan pandemic p, fan as everyone, Knows so
Speaker 1: wait and. See but IF i had to say one
Speaker 1: team that has been a, surprise it would be The,
Speaker 1: clippers which is crazy because the expectations were already so,
Speaker 1: high but that's what hate will. Do what do you
Speaker 1: think about The?
Speaker 2: CLIPPERS i think they're.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Good this isn't like a groundbreaking, thing BUT i think they're.
Speaker 2: Good we'll see it In May.
Speaker 3: June.
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