1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: Hell, I need somebody, not just anybody, you know. 2 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 2: I need someone ron An Aanian. 3 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 3: You get outside of New Jersey, the variety of cars 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 3: shrinks downs, the trucks and SUVs and very little electric 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 3: vehicles that I. 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: Saw even on the road traveling, I did not see 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: a lot of electric vehicles that car doctor. 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 4: So I ended up taking it back apart and putting 9 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 4: that transmission control module in, which is all part of 10 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 4: the same you know, sits on the Solinois pack at 11 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 4: the whole nine yard. That ended up solving it. You know, 12 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 4: life is good, so cool. One thousand dollars got her 13 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: back on the road. 14 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: And cheaper than a new one. 15 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to the radio home of ron Anian, the Car Doctor. 16 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: Since nineteen ninety one, this is where car owners the 17 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. 18 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up. 19 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: The phone and call in. The garage doors. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 3: Are open, but I am here to take your call 21 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: at eighty five five five six oh ninety nine hundred and. 22 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: Now pee running. 23 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: I really wish you could walk a mile in the 24 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: shoes of a mechanic, my shoes, his shoes, their shoes, 25 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: her shoes. 26 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:11,919 Speaker 1: Who's ever shoes? 27 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: But to be in the shop and deal with the 28 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 3: day to day I think you would. 29 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: I think it would. 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 3: Change dynamically your perception of what auto repair really is. 31 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: You know, there's a there's a black mark on this 32 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 3: industry there is. There's everyone out there has an opinion. 33 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: It seems they can do it cheaper, better, quicker, faster, 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 3: Why do they need a mechanic and so on? But 35 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 3: the day of reckoning is here, and it's getting worse 36 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 3: every day in that there are less and less real 37 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: mechanics out there and a great deal of posers and pretenders. 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: I remember years ago when I would see a car 39 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: come into the shop and it would have a specific 40 00:01:55,800 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: brand of battery that to me signified the person went 41 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 3: to this national chain which has since gone out of business, 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: because they weren't really dedicated to repairing cars. It was 43 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,839 Speaker 3: about making a buck. It was all about how quick 44 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 3: can we get him in, hook them up, and. 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 1: Get them out. 46 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: And I always said, it just sort of struck me 47 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: that people would go for this one brand of battery 48 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: every time, and they just they just weren't really interested 49 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,679 Speaker 3: in fixing the car. Properly, because I think they were 50 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 3: taught somewhere early in their automotive driving life that hey, 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 3: you know, we can do some things cheap, we can 52 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 3: save money here. And I always said, you know, these 53 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 3: are the guys that are going to go out of business. 54 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: They won't make it, and they didn't and they're gone. 55 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 3: They're gone a while now. You know, ort to repair 56 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 3: is not something that you want to consider doing cheap. 57 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: I don't think you do. I don't think you can. 58 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: I don't think it's smart. 59 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 3: A car today is such a major investment, and it's 60 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 3: gotten worse right the last couple of years. They say 61 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 3: the average price of a used car now you can't 62 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: find anything less than twenty grand. Twenty thousand dollar. Holy cow. 63 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 3: I think my parents back in the fifties paid five 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 3: grand for their first house. It's everything is just so 65 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: inflated and out of control. So doesn't it make sense 66 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: if you're driving something, whatever it is, if you did 67 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 3: happen to find that five thousand dollars beater or you're 68 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 3: driving a fifty thousand dollars new car, doesn't it make 69 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 3: sense to do as much as you can and take 70 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: as proper care of it as you can as its possible. 71 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: We had a. 72 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 3: Customer, well a consumer, somebody that thought they wanted to 73 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: be a customer, come into the shop this week and 74 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: it was it was a midday walk in, midweek walk 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: in and you know it's Wednesday. Hey, I need an 76 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 3: oil change. Okay, great, Yeah, we can do it one 77 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 3: day next week. And he just looked at me and 78 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 3: I said, excuse me. He said, well, you know, my 79 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: son in law and my sister, my daughter in law 80 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: recommended you, and they said, you guys are really good 81 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 3: at what you do. Yeah, we are really good at 82 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 3: what we do. You know, there's there's no getting away 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 3: from that. You know, I'd like to think I you know, look, 84 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 3: I follow the ad. As long as more people swear 85 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 3: by me than at me, I'm ahead of the curve. 86 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: You're not going to make everybody happy, and that's not 87 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: my job. My job is not to make everybody happy. 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: My job is to do the job as honestly and 89 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: diligently as I possibly humanly can, and at the end 90 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 3: of the day, fix as many cars as I can 91 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: and make a living at it, because that's what I'm 92 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: there for. Him there to make a profit. So I 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 3: can be there the next day, just like you when 94 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: you go to work, so you know, he looked at 95 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: me for a minute and he said, well, what do 96 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 3: you have next week? 97 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: And I said, well, I have midweek. 98 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 3: I think I have whatever it was the twelfth or 99 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 3: the thirteenth, and forget what the exact day was. And 100 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: he said, well, if that's how long I have to wait, 101 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 3: I said, let me ask you a question, because you 102 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: know you commit and interview me. I said, I interview 103 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: you too. What the last mechanic do that annoyed you? 104 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: That you know since you're looking And he just kind 105 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 3: of looked at me, and you can see his eyes 106 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: rolling around in his head that he was thinking, like, 107 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 3: who is this guy? 108 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: Why is he asking me this? Because I want to know? 109 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 3: I told him, Look, I want to know because I 110 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: want to know if I ever you know, what did 111 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 3: the guy do? Was it reasonable? Was it unreasonable? Because 112 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 3: I don't ever want to annoy anybody. I would rather 113 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: not do business with somebody. That's just the way I'm built, 114 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: that's just the cut of my jib. I'm not here 115 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 3: to annoy people. I'm here to try and make as 116 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 3: many people happy as I can. But you can't make 117 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: everybody happy. 118 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: I've accepted that. 119 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: And as he said that to me, he said, well, 120 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 3: I went too, and he said I'd rather not say 121 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 3: and I said, I understand. I said, and listen, let's 122 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: get one thing right out of the way. 123 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: I said, an. 124 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 3: Oil change here is forty five minutes of shop time, 125 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 3: and the labor rate is X. So the labor on 126 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: an oil change is this. So the average oil change 127 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 3: around here is somewhere between one hundred and fifty and 128 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,599 Speaker 3: two hundred dollars, and it is Hey, welcome to New Jersey. Okay, 129 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 3: you want to pay the highest property taxes in the country, 130 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: go ahead, move to Jersey or close to it, right, 131 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: And he said how can that be? And I said, well, 132 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,599 Speaker 3: I said, let's let's back up a second. I said, 133 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 3: first of all, know that the shop is currently booked 134 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 3: about twelve days out twelve business days, not counting weekends. 135 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 3: So if I'm doing something wrong, it's sure not reflected 136 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: in the booking. And he said, but you're gonna draw 137 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: I have people away with that, and I said, no, 138 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 3: I'm going to drive the right people away with that. 139 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: I said, I'm going to keep the people whose cars 140 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: really want they really want the cars fax, they really 141 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: want them looked at. They're really concerned about their safety, 142 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: they want, you know, overall value. You know, I don't 143 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: talk a lot about the shop here. If you've been 144 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 3: a long time listener, you very rarely hear me talk 145 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: about the shop. I don't say bring it down to 146 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 3: the shop, because that's not what I'm here for. But 147 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 3: this one kind of got me to thinking. You know, 148 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 3: the reason we do a thorough oil change, and I 149 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: know I'm not compelled to explain myself, but I will 150 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: this time, is because you come in for a quick 151 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 3: oil change. Here's the scenario, because I've lived this. You 152 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 3: come in for the quick oil change, oil and filter, 153 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 3: top fluids, sticker, reset the oil light down the road. 154 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: Three days later, the breaks start to grind. 155 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: And you know what the phone call is? 156 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 3: I get next, Hey, my car was just in there 157 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: for service, and you guys missed the brakes that we're filling. Well, 158 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 3: because it was a quick ten minute oil change or 159 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 3: a fifteen minute oil change, we weren't given the option 160 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: or the time to adequately look the vehicle over. And 161 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 3: then we get blamed, or whoever the mechanic is gets 162 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: blamed so you know, when you talk about taking care 163 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 3: of your car, do you give your mechanic time and credit? 164 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: Do you give them adequate ability? Hey, check the car over. 165 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 3: I want to know it's safe because it's human nature. 166 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 3: Whoever touched it last, it's that person's fault. Hey, you 167 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: broke my car. You were driving it when the window 168 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: fell into the door. I've had that experience too, and 169 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: we've talked about that. Here, car comes in on a 170 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: hot summer day. The first thing you do is you 171 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 3: get in the car. You put the window down. Now 172 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 3: the window doesn't go up because it's broken. And it's 173 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: seven years old with one hundred and fifty thousand miles 174 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: on it. Whose fault is that? 175 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 5: Hey? 176 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 3: You know it's the next guy up to bat. Whoever 177 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: touches the button next, it's gonna break, sooner or later 178 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: it happens. Are you adequately prepared to deal with the 179 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: car of today and then the car of tomorrow, because folks, 180 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 3: it's only going to get worse. Cars are only going 181 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 3: to get more complicated. Cars are only going to cost 182 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: more to fix. So you've got to erase this. 183 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Hey, I need a. 184 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: Done cheap mentality from your mind. It can't work like that. 185 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that. You need to think about 186 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 3: I need to get my car fixed properly and safely 187 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: to keep me on the road so I can do 188 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 3: what I have to do. Because that's really what auto 189 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 3: repair is about. That's why I say you've got to 190 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: walk that mile. You've got to be able to stand 191 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 3: from the mechanics perspective and say, what are they really 192 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: trying to do? Are there guys in this industry that 193 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: really know what they're doing clearly? Are they few and 194 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 3: far between? No? I think there's more good guys out 195 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 3: there than we realize that we give credit for. Are 196 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: there shops out there that are you know, misleading and deceptive? 197 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 198 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 3: Just like lawyers, doctors, bankers, plumbers, electricians. You know there's 199 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 3: good and bad in all, Like mom said, just a 200 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: matter of finding them. But if you're always beaten on 201 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: your mechanic, hey, how cheap can you do this? Try 202 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: this next time? How right can you do this? Is 203 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: this done right? Will this last me? How many miles 204 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: do you think will it go? Ten thousand miles, twenty 205 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: thousand miles, thirty thousand miles. 206 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: For this repair? 207 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: And you know, see what kind of an answer they give. 208 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 3: Most of them, they're going to say, hey, I can't 209 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 3: give you any guarantee, but the odds are in your favor. 210 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 3: I think that's a reasonable logical conclusion. 211 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 2: You know. 212 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 3: It's kind of like when you talk to another human 213 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 3: being and say, hey, what do you think about this? 214 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 3: And what do you think about that? Did they give 215 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 3: you a reasonable logical answer? I think that's all part 216 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: of it. Everybody's looking for something different in order to 217 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: repair I get that, and no matter what I tell, 218 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 3: tell you, and say to. 219 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: You and explain it to you. 220 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: You might be just one of the ones. You know what, 221 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 3: you don't think much of a car, and you're just 222 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: going to want to do it cheap. That's okay, that's 223 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: your choice. Last time I checked, it's still a free 224 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 3: country mostly. But the reality is to be safe on 225 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: the road, to know you're going to get there and back, 226 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: to know that you're not going to have the unnecessary 227 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: problem you're gonna have to spend money on it. The 228 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: only way to save money on a car is to 229 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: not own one, and then you're up to mass transportation. 230 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: By the way, he the gentleman that came in and 231 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 3: asked about the oil change. He said, well, I guess 232 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go somewhere else. And I wished 233 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: him well. And I was polite. I wasn't rude, I 234 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: wasn't short, I wasn't nasty. There's no need to be. 235 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: Hey, I get it. 236 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 6: You know what. 237 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: We're a bad fit. 238 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 3: You know, to eat to eat at this restaurant. It's 239 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 3: just not for you. It's just not what you're looking for. 240 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 3: But and as I sat and wondered, I got to 241 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: tell you the side story. I said, I wonder if 242 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 3: the wonder if the son in law and the daughter 243 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 3: will be back? And I forgot they were in the 244 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: book for the next day. Sure enough, their car showed 245 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: up the next day and we serviced it. So I 246 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: can't be that crazy. I must. I must know what 247 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 3: I'm doing. How could that be? 248 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: I who would want me? I can't understand it. How 249 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: are you today? 250 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: Tom? What's doing with you? I know Tom's got something 251 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 3: he wants to ask me. He's waving his hands over there. 252 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 6: I'm doing just good. But I just wanted to say, 253 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 6: you know, I I like what you did with the studio, 254 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 6: you know, with the AutoZone studio. Now you got the 255 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 6: AutoZone sign. You got the parts here on the counter, 256 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 6: You've got to even got a cash critis you're round, 257 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 6: You got it all together. 258 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 3: You mean, how we should tell the listeners that they're 259 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 3: now listening to Ron and Andy and the car doctor 260 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: in the AutoZone studio getting the zone autos one. Yep, Yeah, 261 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: that's that's the tssue. Well, you know, Tom, we now 262 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 3: have a new sponsor, AutoZone. And you know, for those 263 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: out there that say we talk about our sponsors too much, 264 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 3: guess what if we don't talk about our sponsors. You 265 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: know what happens. You know what you're gonna hear next week. 266 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 6: These sounds of silence and not by Simon and Garfunk. 267 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, kind of. You know, I looked it up. 268 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: I looked it up before the show today, and I 269 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: picked the New York Yankees just because we're you know, 270 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 3: we're we're right outside of New York City. General Motors 271 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: sponsored the Yankees for the longest time, right until about 272 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, and then in the financial crisis, 273 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 3: Toyota and Audi took them over. And I never heard 274 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: anybody say, how could GM sponsor the Yankees? And now 275 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: Toyota and Audi sponsored the Yankees. You know, I've read 276 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: the comments about we have we have a lot of sponsors. 277 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 3: Well that's good because you know what, because we'll always 278 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 3: be here to answer your question, because that's what we're 279 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 3: supposed to do. All I can say is cool beans. 280 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 3: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 281 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 3: I am Ron on Ay in the Car Doctor with 282 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: the ilucious, alicious, luscious Tom Ray. We'll both be back 283 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 3: right after this. Don't go away, you. 284 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:25,079 Speaker 7: Have done what's more fun than listening to Ron and 285 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 7: Andy in the Car Doctor and getting that car fixed? Right? 286 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 287 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: Give Ron a call? Now back to Ron, Hey, let's 288 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: get on over and talk to Oh. Let's go fuck 289 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 1: to Carl in Louisiana thirteen f one fifty xlt. And 290 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: see what's going on here? Carl. Welcome to the Car Doctor. Sir, 291 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: How can I help. 292 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 6: Carl? 293 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 8: You're taking my call. I have a twenty thirteen f 294 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 8: one fifty that's experiencing problems with still under three under 295 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 8: rapid acceleration. What I've done is taking the plug from 296 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 8: cylinder three and moving it to luinnder one. I've also 297 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 8: replaced the coil pack, and nonetheless, I even have a 298 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 8: new high pressure fuel pump put in, and what I'm 299 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 8: experiencing is still under rapid acceleration trying to enact the 300 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 8: Eco boost that I'm getting an alarm from my check 301 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 8: engine and my you know system that says that cylinder 302 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 8: three is misfiring. 303 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: Okay, can you are you able to have a scan 304 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 3: tool that you can actually look at misfires and watch them? 305 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 3: Are you just seeing a blinking light? How do you 306 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 3: know it's three? I guess, is the right answer to 307 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 3: my question? And which and which engine is this, Carl? 308 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: I didn't get that. 309 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 8: It's a three point five Eco boost engine one. 310 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 1: Fifty, gotcha? Gotcha. 311 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 8: The scan tool I have is let's see, I'll walk 312 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 8: right there real quick and tell you about it. 313 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 5: I use it. 314 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 8: I'm always clear in the alarm that comes up when 315 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 8: I accelerate. I have a a Nova fifty six ten. 316 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: Okay. That's a good that's that's that's more than enough 317 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: scan tool for what you're doing. Okay. And I was 318 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: I was going to say, you're. 319 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 3: You've you've you've you've swapped plugs, you've changed the coil pack, 320 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 3: and it always follows it always. 321 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: It seems to be still be with the cylinder. Yes, okay. 322 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 8: The only thing I haven't changed is the injector. I 323 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 8: put some injector, you know, treatments, and maybe I'm using 324 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 8: the right stuff for the wrong stuff. I'm not sure, uh, 325 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 8: trying to clear out any carbon deposits that may be 326 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 8: associated with that. 327 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: How many miles are on this carl. 328 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 8: One hundred and six thousand, Yeah. 329 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: Not a lot, you know, not a lot. 330 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 3: You know you could have You could have an injector 331 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 3: that's that's running lean and causing a misfire lack of fuel. 332 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: Have you Are you able to watch it on your 333 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: scan tool? Will your scan tool show misfires by cylinder? 334 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 8: I haven't tried to do that because it only happens 335 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 8: under rapid acceleration, so i'd have to use the scan 336 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 8: tool like while I'm getting after it, all right, and 337 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 8: I haven't attempted to know. 338 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, does your a nova? 339 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 3: Does your scan tool give you the function under OBD 340 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 3: two to look at mode six? Are Are you familiar 341 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 3: with mode six? Have you looked at it at all? 342 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 8: I'm not familiar with mode six, but I know that 343 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 8: that is a feature in there, and it allows me 344 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 8: to look at a lot of run time issues that 345 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 8: you know, Okay, Like I was mentioning before, if if 346 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 8: I'm driving down the road and accelerating, that's when I'm 347 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 8: experiencing the issue. I'm not really looking at a scan 348 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 8: tool while I'm pressing maybe I should so. 349 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 3: Well, so you're because you're driving it and then you 350 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 3: come to the stop or wherever you pull over and 351 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: you check it. You got a three oh three, So 352 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 3: you don't know if it's just cylinder three or one 353 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: of the other five cylinders remaining that's misfiring, right, fair point. 354 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 8: Well, what I did is I took the plug from 355 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 8: cylinder three and moved it to cylinder one, right, And 356 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 8: I also changed the coil pack on cylinder three. And 357 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 8: I thought that if it was a plug or coil 358 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 8: pack issue, it would follow that, okay, right, and what 359 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 8: it did not. 360 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: But what if cylinder one, for example, is misfiring but 361 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: just not enough to trigger a code? You see, that's 362 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 3: what mode six is. Mode six is the assembly language 363 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 3: that the computer is using to decipher how the vehicle's running. 364 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,479 Speaker 3: So look at your look at your mode six data. 365 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 3: It will show you, and it's gonna be it's gonna 366 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: be under there's there's tids and SIDS, test ID and 367 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: component I D all right, And in the interest of time, 368 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: let me just suffice it to say there's tons of 369 00:16:58,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: articles about Mode six and it's. 370 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: Easy to decipher. 371 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: But the idea is you're going to be in the 372 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 3: fifty series tids and you're going to see like SID 373 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: fifty three, SID fifty three is going to be misfire 374 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 3: on cylinder three, and SID fifty four is going to 375 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 3: be ignition counts. I shouldn't say misfire on cylinder three. 376 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: It's going to be ignition counts on cylinder three, and 377 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: then it's going to be fifty four is going to 378 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: be ignition counts on cylinder four and so on. What 379 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 3: they're doing is they're going to show you the minimum 380 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 3: value that they expect before it sets a code, the 381 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 3: maximum value, and what the actual value was when it failed. 382 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 3: So if you've got if you've got other cylinders that 383 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: are borderline failure, but having set the code so this 384 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 3: will be easy, You'll go in and you'll look at 385 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 3: you'll look at SIDS fifty one through fifty six, and 386 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 3: if it's only cylinder three. The other five are going 387 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,239 Speaker 3: to show good, or they're going to show zero, or 388 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 3: you know, maybe one or two misfires, where cylinder three 389 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 3: is going to stand out at twenty eight thousand or 390 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: whatever the number is. So tell you what, Carl, Carl, 391 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: sit on the line a second. Let me pull over, 392 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 3: take this pause. When we come back, we'll finish up. 393 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:06,239 Speaker 3: I'm running dy in the car. 394 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 1: Doctor. Don't go anywhere. 395 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 6: Ron's in his own the Auto's own studio and he'll 396 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 6: be back right after this. Welcome back to the Auto 397 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 6: Zone studio. 398 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: Here's Ron. 399 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 3: Hey Carl, Carl, you're still there, sir, Yes, yes, So 400 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: let me just finish my foot and then we'll pick 401 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 3: back up with you. So the idea is Mode six 402 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 3: is going to tell you what's passing, what's failing, and 403 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: what's borderline. They will always give you a maximum number, 404 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 3: a minimum number, and then the failure. So learning to 405 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 3: look at mode six, you know, it's what if you listen, 406 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 3: what if you never got a fault code, but yet 407 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: the engine ran the way it did, then what would 408 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 3: you do right? 409 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: You wouldn't know what cylinder to look at. 410 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 8: I guess my question is then for lack of better terms. 411 00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:24,919 Speaker 8: I've looked at a lot of forums and stuff, and 412 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 8: there's guys that are talking about drilling a hole to 413 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 8: allow Conessey to come out of the intracooler, and there 414 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 8: is suggesting that condensate is carrying over into that cylinder. 415 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 8: And I'm like, Uh, should I drill a hole or not? 416 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 8: And I don't really know, and I don't know if 417 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,640 Speaker 8: you would know. And that's kind of part of why 418 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 8: I was calling you. 419 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: You know, if I read something like that, my first 420 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: question would be because I always play what if? 421 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: What if that doesn't work? And now I've got this hole? 422 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 3: And then my other thought that as goes through my 423 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: head because I always play Listen, I play what if 424 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: during the week, what if? 425 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: What if it's what if? 426 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: I say it's this on a Because you get backed 427 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 3: into a corner and you're in that ninety percent tile 428 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 3: where it's time to make the guess because you can't 429 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 3: prove anything. You know, the art of guessing also has 430 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 3: to deal with what if, what if it's not that? 431 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: Where would you look next? 432 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 3: Before I started drilling holes and you know, doing something 433 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 3: permanent like that, and if I didn't want to go 434 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: through the Mode six paint. If if it's going to 435 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: be a problem, or maybe your scan tool doesn't have that, 436 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: you know, I would at least swap the injector. I 437 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 3: would move number three injector. And if number three injector 438 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: and number and number four injector produces the same results, 439 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: then you know it's on cylinder three. 440 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 8: I can agree with that. That that's that's true. It's 441 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 8: very possible it's an injector or bad gaping. But I 442 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 8: figured i'd ask, and you know, I mean yeah. 443 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 3: I mean mechanic, no, I get it, I mean listen, 444 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 3: But before I started drilling holes, I would finish my testing. 445 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 3: The other thing you know to be aware of is yeah, 446 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 3: I can prove it to you. Unplug an injector, start 447 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 3: the car. Watch how fast it sets a fault code 448 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 3: for that injector. Because there's well, well, I want to 449 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,640 Speaker 3: explain it like this. There's multiple ways a car computer 450 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 3: tests each individual component. It does it electrically, it does 451 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 3: it by component test. So if this was a bad 452 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: injector electrically, it should already have a circuit performance test 453 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 3: versus a failure versus a component failure test. Now, if 454 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: you were to look in mode six, you might see 455 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: something with two sensor activity or something along the lines. 456 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: That maybe maybe the injector. 457 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 3: Is causing a problem already and we just don't see 458 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: it because the scan tool hasn't reported it. 459 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 8: So you know, that's kind of the reason I called 460 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 8: is because you have what I call gray hair technology. 461 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 8: You know, you're like an older da You got some 462 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 8: great here. 463 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: I got more than. 464 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 8: Figured it out the hard way, you know, And that's 465 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 8: the that's the path I'm trying to avoid. And I'm 466 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 8: like looking for everybody in any way that has that technology. 467 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 8: But I mean, I agree with you entirely. You sent 468 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 8: me on the right path, and I understand what I 469 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 8: need to do, and I thank you for your time. 470 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: You're very welcome, sir. Good luck to your car. 471 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: Let us know what fixes it. You take good care, Yes, sir, 472 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 3: let's get on over. Let's go talk to Jerry and 473 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: Iowa sixteen Camaro. Jerry, welcome to the car doctor, sir. 474 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 3: How can I help? 475 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, good afternoon. Yes, I've got I've been storing several 476 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,360 Speaker 5: cars for the winter months every year for a decade, 477 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 5: but the latest generation of car that I've got was 478 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 5: just twenty sixteen. So the computerization systems are different than 479 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 5: what I was dealing with previously with the two thousand 480 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 5: and one Camaro. Right, they both OBD two based platforms, 481 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 5: but there's a whole scope of different things going on. 482 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 5: My concern isn't about making certain fluids or fine and 483 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 5: all that. It's what happens to removing a battery out 484 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 5: of the system because where our store is there's no electricity, 485 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: so it's maintaining the health of the battery. Pull it 486 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 5: out and put it on a trickle charger and put 487 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: it back in in the spring. What happens to the 488 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 5: electronics that are based in the car, It appears it 489 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 5: goes through a whole new learning mode every spring. 490 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, and it's only going to get worse in 491 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: time as time goes on. If we were talking about 492 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 3: a twenty twenty three automobile, there would be a longer 493 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,479 Speaker 3: and a bigger learning curve. You know. We had a 494 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: sort of on a side note, we had a twenty 495 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: one Ford Ranger in the shop recently and the customer 496 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 3: got the idea that to solve his transmission problem, he 497 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 3: was going to disconnect the battery cables while the engine 498 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 3: was running and uh. 499 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that didn't work. 500 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 3: And and one of the things he was chasing was 501 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 3: he was trying to reset the transmission table adaptives, which is, 502 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: you know, the stored learning data for how that particular 503 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 3: driver drove and then the next driver and the driver 504 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: after that and so on. 505 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: You know, in a sixteen Camaro, that's there. Tap is there. Uh, 506 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, but you've got to be you've got to 507 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: be aware that it's it's just something you're gonna have 508 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: to deal with. 509 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 3: Let me ask you this, Is it a warm, dry 510 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 3: storage place where you're put in the car. 511 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: No, it's the pre standing. I live in Iowa. We're 512 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 5: talking twenty five thirty below in the winter time, right, 513 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 5: so it's gonna's no heat in this building. And I'm 514 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 5: just getting rid of ice and snow load off of it, right, 515 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 5: and so there's gonna be a moisture problem. 516 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's and you know, and that's and that's 517 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 3: a problem whether the batteries in the car or not. 518 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: So you know, the other question I've got is is 519 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 3: there any sunlight daylight in windows in this building that 520 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: the car is in front of nearby? What I'm what 521 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: I'm getting at is do you do you leave the 522 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 3: battery in the car, and do you extend and put 523 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: a solar charger up against the window and let it 524 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: trickle charge the battery over the winter. 525 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 5: That's not a possibility because of the way the doors 526 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 5: are getting in and out of this It's that's it's 527 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 5: totally sealed and I can't get around that, right. 528 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: Okay. 529 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 5: The other thing is it does have concrete floor. It's 530 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 5: a metal building, but the owner went and made it 531 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 5: a weather tight drum on the surface, so it doesn't 532 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 5: appear when I've pulled the vehicle out of storage that 533 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,760 Speaker 5: I have a moisture problem. I just know from having 534 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 5: done this for a couple of decades with other vehicles. 535 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 5: Moisture's issue that's going to pop up. My other question 536 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 5: is kind of connected by the computer and the learning 537 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 5: curve of this vehicle has a cylinder deactivation. Okay, yeah, 538 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 5: And with that said, depending on your driving patterns, it 539 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 5: will cause a fault cold to pop up under extreme 540 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 5: light load, and that's been an issue that shows up 541 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 5: every spring when it goes through a learning mode of 542 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 5: So is there a way to the learning You can't 543 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 5: do that? Can you? 544 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: No, you really can't and I'm going to say that. 545 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: Imagine when that vehicle comes out of the factory. You know, 546 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 3: they always talked about a green A green chip is 547 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 3: the exact language thirty five years ago that you know, 548 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 3: when they computerized cars, they put a green chip in them. 549 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 3: And as the odometer went, uh, you know, I think 550 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 3: I think the magic number was fifty five miles. By then, 551 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 3: the engine was broken in and they didn't need the 552 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 3: green ship anymore and it had burned out, and the 553 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,439 Speaker 3: modified fuel curve and spark advanced curve was different, and 554 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 3: you know, they they were now running on base numbers 555 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: whatever they were at the time, and modern day cars 556 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 3: can do that and they do that quicker. My point is, 557 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 3: you know, disconnect the battery, store the car, hook the 558 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: battery back up, just drive it. Just drive it for 559 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 3: you know, put two hundred miles on it. It's going 560 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 3: to learn fast enough. As long as moisture hasn't affected anything, 561 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 3: as long as animals haven't gotten in there, because you know, 562 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 3: that's the other concern. You know, that's you know, that's 563 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: an issue. I will tell you this is it. You know, 564 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 3: do you think it's an animal free building? Do you 565 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 3: think it's it's safe from rotoces. 566 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, that's not a problem. 567 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: Okay. 568 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 5: Oh the biggest issue is well, I was just wondering 569 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 5: if I was really doing anything different than what I've 570 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 5: done with the other older vehicles. Was making certain a 571 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 5: fluids or clean. No, it makes certain road and free 572 00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 5: and pull. 573 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 8: The battery out. No. 574 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 3: The only the only other thing, the only other thing 575 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,959 Speaker 3: you can try. And I say this, it's a it's 576 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 3: a newer product. New Hampshire Oil Undercoating has mouse out 577 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 3: their oil. It's it's their oil, but they have it 578 00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: available in an aerosol spray can. I think it's like 579 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 3: a sixteen or twenty ounce spray can. You can find 580 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 3: more at NH oil Undercoding dot com. So if you 581 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: want it to just like touch spray certain areas of 582 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 3: the engine compartment, you know, or underneath the character and 583 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 3: the wheel wells, just enough to keep the animals out. 584 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 3: You don't have to do the whole car if you 585 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 3: don't want. I mean, you can do the whole car, 586 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 3: that's great, but you can just use you know, mouse 587 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,680 Speaker 3: out from NH Oil from New Hampshire Oil Undercoating and 588 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 3: it'll be enough to deter them to keep the animals out, 589 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: because I'd be as I'd probably be more worried about 590 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: animals and rodents than I would be about, you know, 591 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 3: the battery and harm to the computer. So you may 592 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 3: want to consider doing that as a as a preempty 593 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 3: step so that you have no problems come next spring. 594 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,239 Speaker 3: But as far as driving it, just drive it and 595 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 3: you'll find more at nh oil undercoding dot com. 596 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 1: Preciate the call, Jerry. 597 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 3: I'm running any of the Card Doctor. We're back right 598 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 3: after this Welcome back. I'm running any of the Card 599 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 3: Doctor here at eight five five five six zero nine 600 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 3: nine zero zero. I want to talk to about diagnostics. 601 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a couple of this urgy. I'm 602 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: you know, gray hair, gray haired expertise. Yeah, you know, 603 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 3: it's like there's a lot in this head, more than 604 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 3: a few gray hairs too. I gotta point out and 605 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: I want to answer the question or comment on it. 606 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 3: I want to read Todd's email, Todd wrote me, Todd, 607 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 3: t hey, Ron, I got a two thousand and one 608 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,959 Speaker 3: BMW three thirty c I ninety eight thousand miles. It's 609 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,040 Speaker 3: setting up P zero four to twenty. I'll tell you 610 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: what that is. In a moment, I clear the code. 611 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 3: It usually takes two weeks of daily driving to come 612 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: back same code. The question is why is there a 613 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 3: no two censor that's failing. They've never been replaced. The 614 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 3: cat is actually bad. Hard to believe it this mileage. 615 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 3: Why is only one of the cat's bad. I've scanned 616 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 3: and the two sensors for both Bank one and Bank 617 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,719 Speaker 3: two postcat and they are behaving identically. 618 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: Help Doc, You're the best. I love your show, Todd. 619 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: Take Todd. 620 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 3: You know what a lot of great questions, but let's go. 621 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: Let's go one step. 622 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: At a time. 623 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 3: First of all, it's not that new. It's got one 624 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 3: hundred thousand miles on it. It's twenty two years old. 625 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: It's a lot of idle time. That's a lot of 626 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: you know, gallons of fuel that went through it. Are 627 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 3: you the original owner on the vehicle? Can you show 628 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: me all the maintenance that's been done on the vehicle. 629 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 3: These had some issues with what we called crank case 630 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: ventilation valves or they had some valve cover issues way 631 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 3: back in the day. Is there any oil consumption on 632 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 3: this car? You know, a lot of questions I have, 633 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: but the bottom line is if you can prove that 634 00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 3: cat is failing, bad is bad. 635 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: I've seen more than. 636 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 3: A few cars where one cat failed in the other 637 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 3: side didn't. It's not completely impossible. Here's a great example 638 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: of two things. Number One, you're looking at the two sensors. 639 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 3: Are you looking at them displayed digitally? Meaning you're looking 640 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: at the numbers? And for everyone's benefit, let's talk about 641 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: what a No. Two sensor is. A NO. Two sensor is. 642 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 3: It's basically a voltage producing sensor. Based on how much 643 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 3: oxygen is in the exhaust, it will produce either a 644 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 3: high voltage signal or a low voltage signal. Typically they 645 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,320 Speaker 3: run from zero to one vault. So you know, when 646 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 3: we talk about looking at them digitally, is it zero 647 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 3: point five point six point seven and we're just watching 648 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: it bounce up and down digitally or are we looking 649 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: at it on a graph or a labscope. We're looking 650 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 3: at the signal go up, we're looking at the signal 651 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 3: come down. Similar to what you'll see in a hospital 652 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 3: when they do a tracer for your blood pressure or 653 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 3: your heartbeat, and they will graph it out because you know, 654 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: seventy one beats permitted, eighty two beats permitted. 655 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: How quick did it get there? Was there a gap? 656 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: Was there a drop? 657 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 3: Did something go up? Did something go down? You want 658 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 3: to look at it. It's you want to see a 659 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 3: graphical or a linear display of that signal. 660 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:51,960 Speaker 1: Have you done that? 661 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: Have you graphed the two H two sensors that way? 662 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 3: That might tell you something? Have you looked at mode 663 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 3: six again? We're back to mode six where you will 664 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 3: see the explanation of why the computer is making the 665 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: calculations and the judgment call for that failure to be 666 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: what it is. 667 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: Have you done that? Okay? 668 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 3: And yeah, it's possible that these have this has a 669 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 3: bad O two. But keep in mind, a modern day 670 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 3: OBD two vehicle tests each sensor and component four to 671 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 3: six different ways, more as the cars get newer. So 672 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 3: the chances are that this is a failing two. Not likely, 673 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 3: all right, but it's possible. It's possible just by age, 674 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: but you can do that. You can test for that. 675 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 3: And then last, could there possibly be an exhaust leak 676 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 3: so small you can hear it, but it's skewing oh 677 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: two centsor performance somewhere in the area of the exhaust 678 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: and that catalytic converter I think this is a bad 679 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 3: cat Todd, but there's some other tests that you've really 680 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 3: got to do before you come to that conclusion. 681 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: You need more. 682 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 3: You know where to find me A five five five 683 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,480 Speaker 3: six zero nine nine zero zero. I am Ron and 684 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: Andy in the Car Doctor and I'll be back right 685 00:32:54,280 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 3: after this welcome back run named the Car Doctor at 686 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 3: eighty five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. 687 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: Keep in mind that phone number eight five five five 688 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200 Speaker 3: six zero nine nine zero zero is twenty four to seven. 689 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: You can call leave a message in Tom Ray, the 690 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 3: executive producer, chief cook and bottle washer. Here we'll get 691 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 3: you in Q for the next live broadcast. Today's email 692 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: comes to us from Canon Maryland. Hey, Ron, I've got 693 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 3: an hotel AL six scan tool six nineteen. A buddy 694 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 3: of mine brought over a two thousand and eight Hundai 695 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 3: four cylinder to scan one hundred and twenty thousand miles 696 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 3: on it. He says the check engine light came on 697 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 3: after a hard start and stayed on, so I took 698 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 3: it to a shop that said they didn't find any 699 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 3: codes and to deliver the car back then with the 700 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 3: check engine light off, and then I went in with 701 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 3: my al six nineteen on an OBD two scan and 702 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 3: found two modules selected first one on left, one with 703 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: three codes came up and I set the scan tool 704 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 3: to read codes and none found. The light went off 705 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 3: for any scan Any ideas how to proceed from here, 706 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 3: I'm wondering and I'm not familiar with the procedure where 707 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 3: we're finding modules. Oh, I'm sorry, I guess you're saying 708 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 3: he found modules that were online or contained within the vehicle. 709 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 3: I'm questioning the validity of that scan tool, and not 710 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 3: that there's a problem with ATel. I'm just wondering, is 711 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 3: there a problem, for whatever reason, how that car interfaces 712 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 3: with that particular model hotel And are you running the 713 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: latest software in latest updates on that vehicle? Are you 714 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 3: going in strictly under OBD two. Here's an argument for 715 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 3: why you need more than one scan tool, because every. 716 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: Once in a while you get a car that does this. 717 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 3: And if I can reproduce this condition with a different 718 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 3: scan tool, then I've. 719 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: Got a problem with the vehicle. Perhaps I've got a 720 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: bad vehicle computer. If not, then I've. 721 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 3: Got a problem with how that scan tool interacts with 722 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 3: this car. And I've seen this time and time again 723 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,360 Speaker 3: It's one of the reasons why I've got, oh, I 724 00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: don't know, fourteen different scan tools in the shop. 725 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: Literally, I'm not. 726 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: An ad in the car doctor reminding you the mechanics 727 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 3: aren't expensive. They're probably listen see Yash