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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number four

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, I'm joined by Janice Patelis

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Speaker 1: to discuss the scouting stand prep inhabitat improvement projects that

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Speaker 1: two of us took on while visiting his Wisconsin family

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Speaker 1: hunting property. All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by First Light. And today I'm sitting

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Speaker 1: here with Janice patel Us and I'm in Wisconsin in

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Speaker 1: the I don't know this is This is the hall

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Speaker 1: of history for you, isn't it? It is? It is.

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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in this building here

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Speaker 1: over thirty years. Yeah, And I know how special having

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Speaker 1: that kind of place can be. I've got my own

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Speaker 1: little cabin with with decades of memories, and it's so

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Speaker 1: special every time you go there, and I get a

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Speaker 1: little misty eyed about it and over nostalgic maybe, but

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Speaker 1: you can't help it sometimes, right, Do you still feel

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Speaker 1: that way? Well? I think I feel like that now

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Speaker 1: more than ever. You know, when you realize the history

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Speaker 1: that you have and um that you know, you hang

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Speaker 1: out here with like with who are like my elders,

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Speaker 1: my mentors who are now you know, at seventy getting

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Speaker 1: into their seventies, and you sort of realize that you know, ah,

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Speaker 1: life does not go on forever, you know, and that

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Speaker 1: there time here is limited, you know, and you should

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Speaker 1: get back for as many opening rifle seasons as you can. Um, yeah, stop,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. Uh So, So we're gonna talk about scouting,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about stand preparation, We're gonna talk about

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Speaker 1: best bang for your buck, d I Y habitat improvements.

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Speaker 1: But before that, can we just dive a little bit

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Speaker 1: more into that, Like can you give us a little

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Speaker 1: more of the history. When you were on in the Fall,

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Speaker 1: we talked a lot about your hunt here last November

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Speaker 1: and how that went and some of the things you learned,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think we really talked about like the

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Speaker 1: people and how it all works and what that's looked

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Speaker 1: like for you. What's that story a little bit because

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Speaker 1: I've been constantly has been out here, like, so how

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Speaker 1: does this work? Who has what and who does what?

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Speaker 1: And who all comes and who hunts one? What's the

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Speaker 1: whole story there? First, I M, I have a sip

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Speaker 1: my new glares moon man. Pall, do we need to

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Speaker 1: talk about this? Palele before you answer the question, this

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Speaker 1: has been on your mind. Only available in Wisconsin, Oh,

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Speaker 1: for sure, it's I was just telling Mark that it's

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Speaker 1: like ongoing and we need help deciphering and and figuring

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Speaker 1: out our little problem. We enjoyed neclar beer, but when

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Speaker 1: I posted a picture last Ball of me taking a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of beer across state lines, which is technically illegal,

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Speaker 1: back to Montana, quite a few of the comments were like, dude,

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Speaker 1: she's like anti gun. Yeah, Debora carry the owner I

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Speaker 1: believe that's her name, um, the owner of Nuclaris and

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Speaker 1: her husband and um. So without doing any fact checking,

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Speaker 1: I kind of brought that up to Doug during and

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Speaker 1: Dougs like, I love her, She's great. Let's see if

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Speaker 1: that's really true. You know, did some googling and turns

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Speaker 1: out she's not really anti guns. She's actually my kind

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Speaker 1: she contributes to both parties and guess what that gets

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Speaker 1: remark hate from both sides. Well, but yes, yes, hay

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Speaker 1: from both sides. But you also get to have a

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Speaker 1: and you get to help along you know, your community,

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Speaker 1: your business ventures, you know. And she does all this right.

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Speaker 1: So from what I read online, she's got like like

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Speaker 1: And didn't you say that she shoots herself? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: And there was some quote of her saying, Hey, if

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Speaker 1: and I have like a I forget if she said

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Speaker 1: Then we checked that with the person that we with,

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Speaker 1: or deb if you want to, just email Mark or

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Speaker 1: call Mark up and clear straight. We clear your name.

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Speaker 1: We love drinking Nuclaire's uh brewing. I like the moon Man.

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Speaker 1: I'm not really a spotted cow guy, just because I'm

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Speaker 1: not a wheat weird guy that much. Like it's a

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Speaker 1: much more of like a light pale ale which moon

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Speaker 1: my first New Glares, and I've drank a bunch that

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Speaker 1: I've been here and this has been right up my alley,

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Speaker 1: the No Coast pale Ale, the moon Man. Yeah, it's good. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I hope there's I hope her name is clean, and

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Speaker 1: so we can continue, we can keep struggling it back

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Speaker 1: try to catch me. So what were you what were

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Speaker 1: the story here of your hunting camp. So I actually

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Speaker 1: came here first. This building is is owned by like

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Speaker 1: a group of Atvians that owns some land kind of

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Speaker 1: communally in the area, and um people come up here

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Speaker 1: to celebrate like a lot of Latvian like traditional um ah,

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Speaker 1: how do you say in English? Uh? Like? Basically like

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Speaker 1: the like the cornerstones of the year, like the summer solstice,

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Speaker 1: the winter solstice, and the two equinoxes, right amongst other holidays.

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Speaker 1: So summer solstice, as I think, you know, it's called

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Speaker 1: Yanni Day, and for that one, we would actually leave

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Speaker 1: was as there always is with you know, traditional Latin

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Speaker 1: spring equinox. You swing on the swing and there's a

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Speaker 1: summer ahead, right, and then you you know, at the

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Speaker 1: And a good harvest or whatever. You know, there's a

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Speaker 1: you know, in the seasons. So that's why I first

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Speaker 1: So he started coming up here, came up here for

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Speaker 1: do remember like a big difference was that, like Michigan

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Speaker 1: just seemed like that alone made it seem special, right,

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Speaker 1: Like you just know you're gonna shoot farther, although you're

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Speaker 1: and the cage. Yeah, so I was. I had a

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Speaker 1: But like I got a flashlight, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: supposed to be. And then all a sudden there's some

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Speaker 1: I was like, one, It's like, was that my dad? Dad?

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Speaker 1: Was that somebody else in the woods? That's like because

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Speaker 1: what I did. I remember like it got light and

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Speaker 1: Uh so we probably could have achieved all of that

428
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: if I didn't cut my visit in half right because

429
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:06,200
Speaker 1: of the airport tobaccle of fromel Yeah, you you. I

430
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: don't want to say you said a record, but I

431
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,679
Speaker 1: don't think you're going to run into many people in

432
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: your life there are going to tell you about a

433
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: longer trip that they unexpected airline trip that they had

434
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: than you just did. Yeah, I certainly hope I never

435
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 1: have a longer one. So I left. I mean, if

436
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: you're going to like Mongolia like you're expecting it, but

437
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 1: when you're going Idaho to Wisconsin shouldn't be like not

438
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 1: so much. So I had a seven am flight Saturday

439
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: morning that was supposed to get me to Wisconsin left

440
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: or one. So it's from Jackson, Wyoming to Denver to Wisconsin. Now,

441
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 1: because of our living situation right now, my family and

442
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: I are out of our cabin. We only have one vehicle,

443
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: so we had to figure out a way to get

444
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: me to Jackson, which is an hour and a half

445
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: away from where we live. UM as family, so that

446
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: the best way to do it would be that we

447
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: would go as a family to Jackson that evening and

448
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: then they would drop me off at a hotel at

449
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: stay the night at the hotel, and then catch a

450
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: taxi first thing the next morning to the airport. YadA, YadA, YadA.

451
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: So my trip began Friday afternoon, went to Jackson, did

452
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: all that that night. It like, I don't know, ten

453
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,240
Speaker 1: or eleven o'clock at night, I got a notification saying

454
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: that my flight was delayed the next morning and my

455
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: seven am flight got pushed to one thirty in the afternoon,

456
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: and they said it was because the flight crew got

457
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: in late and because of federal regulations, they have to

458
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: have a certain amount of time before they take the

459
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: next flight. So okay, So my I was gonna get

460
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: into Wisconsin at one thirty. Now I'm not leaving till

461
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: one thirty, and I'm now going to get to Wisconsin

462
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: at ten thirty. And then from there I had to

463
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: pick up a rental car and drive hour and a

464
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: half or two hours from there. So I was thinking

465
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: not jeez. Now I'm not gonna get in till Saturday

466
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: night at like midnight or one o'clock or something. Would

467
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: have pained the butt. But that's what happens. I I

468
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: getch a flight at one thirty, and then we're in

469
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: the air heading to Denver. And then the flight, uh,

470
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: the pilot comes on and says, hey, we've got some

471
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: serious storms over Denver. We're not gonna be a land.

472
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:17,919
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to circle up here and wait to

473
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,239
Speaker 1: see if things clear up. So we do that, and

474
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: fifty minutes later he gives us an update. So it's

475
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: still still pretty bad. We're gonna keep circling. And I

476
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 1: remember seeing the same little town along some river uh

477
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: that would have been north of Denver, along the front Range.

478
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: And we circled over probably twenty times. I don't know

479
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: how many times. But I never kept looking. I'm like,

480
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: I wonder where the river that is? Kept looking and

481
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 1: like thinking about it and trying to look at the visually.

482
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: I kept visualizing the Masters probably is either um, I

483
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: would say that I think it's the big Thompson that

484
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: would go into Boulder or uh, the Pewter, Yeah, does

485
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: that go up towards the Ray wild Wilderness or something

486
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: like that up that way. Is that the river that

487
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: runs up that direction? Man, I don't know that right. Well, well,

488
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: well I don't have to look at the map and

489
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: figure this out because I'm I can just see it

490
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: in my head still. So we kept going over and

491
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: over and over and over and I don't know how

492
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: long we a nasty circle like bumpy h No, it

493
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 1: wasn't horrible. We were outside like we were. We were

494
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: in a patch of clear air and north of the storm,

495
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: so we could see fine. Like. It wasn't weird or

496
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: sketchy where we were. Um, circle, circle, circle, circles circle.

497
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: Finally says, hey, guys, this storm over Denver is not

498
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: letting up. Um, and we're running out of gas, so

499
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: we have to go and land somewhere else. So we've

500
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: been diverted to such and such a little airport in Nebraska.

501
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: So we get going right into Nebraska. And I should

502
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: say that at the beginning of this whole flight, I

503
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: had several people that sat down behind me. We were ripped,

504
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 1: roaring drunk um. They had been partying or whatever in Jackson,

505
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: and I'd say, these folks are like in their fifties. Um,

506
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: and I as I got to hear, like one of

507
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 1: them is from couples and from Texas, and the couples

508
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: from Las Vegas. So you know, take every stereotype you

509
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: want about Texas and Las Vegas with people with money,

510
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: and then put a bunch of liquor in them. And

511
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: those are the two personalities we had. And so this

512
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: group behind me was ripped or and drunk, and then

513
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: this happens, and then they start complaining and bitching about

514
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: it and getting upset. And then we land in Nebraska

515
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: and this is like a little private airstrip. This isn't

516
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: a big airport, so there's no getting off the plane.

517
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: There was no anything. It was like, hey, we're just

518
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: you're gonna sit here and we have to wait till

519
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: they refuel. Well, this little airport is not accustomed to

520
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: having great big jet liners and stuff there. And it's

521
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: not just us, there's like seven other major jets that

522
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 1: had to come in because everybody was getting diverted. I

523
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: didn't find the thirty seven major jets had to be

524
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: diverted around and outside Denver because of this. So we

525
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: sit there and wait and wait and wait, and then

526
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: he keeps giving us updates and says, hey, they don't

527
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: have enough gas for the plans. They have to go

528
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: out and get find gas. And so they got gas

529
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: and they come back and now like all the other

530
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 1: people ahead of us are getting gas and long story

531
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: short on this. To try to take what ended up

532
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: being a very long story, we end up having to

533
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: sit on the tarmac in Nebraska. I think it was

534
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: six hours six or seven hours. We sat there and

535
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: eventually like we got gas in there, and then they

536
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: did it wrong. They didn't balance our tanks, so one

537
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: side had too much gas on the other side, so

538
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: they had to remove it and blah blah, how are

539
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: your drunk friends doing at this point? Well, so they

540
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: went from drunk and like happy partying too drunk and

541
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: angry to hung over and quiet. And then one gale

542
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: got really, really, really mad and she was blaming everyone

543
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: for it was happening, and it was everybody's fault, right, um,

544
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: so as the pilot's fault, it was the airline's fault.

545
00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: Even though this was like a weather, it was like

546
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: an act of God or whatever, you know, that they

547
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: was actually punishing and the rest of you were taking

548
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: a Bronte having to go through hell with her. So

549
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: she was lambasting everyone. And then she was on the

550
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: phone with customers Sir, trying to get things rescheduled, and

551
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: it went so far as to the point where she

552
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: was threatening to sue the customer service agent and was

553
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: talking about her fancy schmancy lawyer and how they have

554
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: a dog at home and that they're not gonna get

555
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: home in time to take care of the dog because

556
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: of this, and this is how this is their fault,

557
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: and and like screaming, so like everyone in the back,

558
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm in the very back of the plane. Um,

559
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: everyone in the back of the third of the plane

560
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: can hear this and seeing it in they're cussing, and

561
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: you know you big time wire to hunt. Don't ride

562
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: first class? No, no no, no, I'm like three rows from

563
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: the very back bathroom. Though she was very irritated that

564
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: she wasn't in the first class, she kept bringing that up,

565
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: we should have been a first class. Maybe maybe I'm

566
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: trying to remember if she said something like maybe they

567
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: had bought first class at some part of this trip

568
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: and pushed out of it or something, because I remember

569
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: something along those lines being said. But I mean she

570
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: was throwing a fit, just foul. And then politics were

571
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: brought up, and then like their hooting and hollering about

572
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, such and such political person they don't like,

573
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,239
Speaker 1: and how this is so and so's fault, and how

574
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: this is you know, everything you could imagine. Um, we

575
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: finally get on, get in the air, we get sent

576
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: in we Land, and because of this long delay, I

577
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 1: missed my two connections. So then to get a new

578
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: flight scheduled, I just sit in line, waiting in a

579
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: physical line while also on a phone line trying to

580
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: get to a person to see which one I would

581
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: get first. And I had to wait for almost two hours.

582
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: So this is now, I don't know, like eleven o'clock

583
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: at night or something, at the airport trying to figure

584
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: out some way to get here, and ended up getting

585
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: rescheduled to fly to Chicago, and then I would change

586
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: my car until rent a car in Chicago and then

587
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: drive here. So I had to spend the night in Denver.

588
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: Next morning, this next flight the next play they could

589
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: get me on. I couldn't even get anything here to

590
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: Wisconsin list I want to wait till monday. So I

591
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: got the Chicago flight didn't get me until I don't know,

592
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: ten thirty or something Sunday night. I landed in Chicago

593
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: at ten thirty and Sunday night, I go to pick

594
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: up my luggage. I wait for forty five minutes for

595
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: the luggage to get there and nothing, and so all

596
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: my luggage got sent to the Wisconsin airport. So I

597
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: had to spend another night in a hotel in Chicago

598
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: because the Madison Hotel airport isn't open till the next morning.

599
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: I spent another hotel night, get up the next morning,

600
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: go to the Wisconsin airport, get my stuff. Finally get

601
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: here like two and a half days later than I

602
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: was supposed to say. Started Friday afternoon evening and you

603
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: got here probably about eight thirty or nine am Monday,

604
00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: Monday morning. You could have probably driven here and back

605
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: Tataho in that time. It's not ridiculous. There's a whole

606
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: lot of extra money paid for change tickets and rental

607
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: cars and hotels and all that for yeah, just chaos

608
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: the long period of time. It's frustrating. Instead of having

609
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: all those days, we ended up having like most of

610
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Monday all a Tuesday, which is today. And now when

611
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: we have about half a day a little bit tomorrow,

612
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: and in that time still we got some ship done.

613
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: How do you feel about what we got done? Given

614
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: like all those hopes and dreams you had that you

615
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: just listed, Dude, I mean we pretty much you know,

616
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: check the boxes, consider the time. Yeah, I mean there's

617
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, we'll get into there's a couple of things

618
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: that are you know, not quite polished. But like, um,

619
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if you want to just

620
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: jump into it right now into my dad's kind of

621
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: forty and and discuss it. But so we did the tour.

622
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: It's really cool. We went up and uh, and there's

623
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:48,399
Speaker 1: basically one ridge. It comes to a point and then

624
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: on on three sides of the ridge drops down onto

625
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 1: the property and then it's pretty much flat and the

626
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: ridge and the surrounding areas are what I just call

627
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: it midwestern hardwood oak forest. And then that transitions into

628
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 1: a planted white pine forest for probably twenty acres or so.

629
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: And uh, we went up on the ridge and uh,

630
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: you're like, man, there's all points on this ridge probably

631
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 1: were some box bed and sure enough it was really

632
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: cool to see. Is like we went up on one

633
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 1: little outcropping you know finger that you know, drops down

634
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: off the main ridge should be a buck bed. There

635
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: were some beds there, but it didn't look like was

636
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: there a bed there. I don't remember if there was

637
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: a bed there or not, but I was like, there

638
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: should be one here, but but wide open, no, like, uh,

639
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: what do you call horizontal horizonal structure? Cover it off?

640
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,399
Speaker 1: Just I'm a wide open little knob. There's a there's

641
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: an old little bench up there where people used to

642
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: have sat and hunted. We go the next knob over,

643
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: which has literally like Mother Nature's hinge cutting job right

644
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: at the end of it. I mean it's not like

645
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: five or six ft up, it's more like ten feet up,

646
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: but a giant tree is snapped ten feet up and

647
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: laid over on its side. There's a couple other trees

648
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: and guess what like four major buck beds kind of

649
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: covering the compass rose you know, around around this point,

650
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, and like just underneath them there's almost like

651
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: this like sandstony little bluff micro cliff kind of a feature.

652
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: And uh, it was great just to for like you

653
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: like you're saying to like you can that's something that

654
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: you can look at on on X put the pin

655
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: there and be like, you should go look there, see

656
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: if there's things betting there. And then you go out

657
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: there and you're like, yep, sure enough, that probably where

658
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: your buck that lives on this property, or you know

659
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: a couple of bucks bed right in here. Yeah. It's

660
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: amazing how much once you learn a few general patterns

661
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: of how these deer like to typically use certain train features.

662
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 1: It's not always gonna be right, but it is a

663
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: great starting point, you know. I mean that helped the

664
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: toime and the one thing we haven't done, and maybe

665
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: we should just do it in the morning. But I'd

666
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: love to go and hinge cut that other knob and

667
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 1: then revisit in a year and see if there's three

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: buck beds on that other knob. It absolutely should be

669
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: being used like that. It's it's so well positioned. I mean,

670
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot. These bucks when they

671
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: have these knobs, when they have elevation, they love to

672
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: bed on the ends of points or ends of the

673
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: knobs that comes off ridges where they can see an

674
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: area they can protect themselves visually from the front and

675
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: by scent behind. If they can ever have that, it's

676
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: really hard to beat that from a security standpoint for

677
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: a deer, and and yeah, I mean that's exactly what

678
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: we found it was. It was it was like textbook

679
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: except zero cover, zero cover, and though that is more

680
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:05,760
Speaker 1: west facing where the other one is more like more southeast.

681
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 1: So when they're on it, they're getting that wind over

682
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: their back, but on the other knob there with the

683
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: wind is gonna proominally be in their face. Yeah, but

684
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 1: I do think like if you were to improve that

685
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: with the cover there, it's still it still could get

686
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: on that sure east side and use it, because otherwise

687
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: it was set up so nice. Um. So yeah, that's

688
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: a that's a way where you've got the starting point. Okay,

689
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: here's a feature. And so much of what we talked

690
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: about and what we will talk about on your property,

691
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: both the forty and the larger camp is when it

692
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: comes to habitat oftentimes, look at what the deer want

693
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 1: to do naturally and then define it better, improve it better,

694
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: sweet in the pot, Like, it's much easier to help

695
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: deer do something they already want to do, versus try

696
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: to make them go way out of their way to

697
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 1: do something they don't naturally want to. So if you

698
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: can find ways to maybe encourage them to do it

699
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: just a little bit more this way, or to do

700
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: a versus be just a little bit more, but making

701
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: sure the a's within the set of things they do. Like,

702
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, you don't need to make this thing more

703
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: hard than it has to be. So finding the spots

704
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: they naturally want to bed and then sweeten it, finding

705
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: the natural line they want to travel from betting defeating,

706
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 1: and then finding a way to slow them down in

707
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: a specific spot between the two where you can and

708
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: get a shot. That's a great way to do it. Um,

709
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: which we'll talk about the food flop. Now those buck

710
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 1: beds mhm. We talked about how to hunt them, obviously

711
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: not hunting them, but how to hunt bucks coming out

712
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: of them. But like during the rut when I'm usually

713
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: bow hunting here or will be again this year, they're

714
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: not necessarily using those beds, right, because they could be

715
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: bedding with the dough. They could just be like, well,

716
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: I've been cruising for ten twelve hours, I'm just gonna

717
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: bet on this point, which could be a mile from

718
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: like his normal spot. So like, how important are those

719
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: buck beds still to me? Being like a guy that

720
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: comes here and hunts the rut. So I would not

721
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: plan your hunting strategy around them during the rut because

722
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: of the things you just said. You're right, they may

723
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: use those beds sometimes during the ruts. Still, they may not,

724
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: like you just said, they might be elsewhere. They might

725
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: be just hanging out with the dough. They might be

726
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: cruising for the day. Um. So I would not let

727
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: that be like something that drives where you hunt during

728
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: the rut. During the rut, you should be focused on

729
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: where the does and where are concentrations of travel where

730
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: those cruising bucks might be pinched through like our hub

731
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: type situation. Um. But having good buck betting areas is

732
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: good for you throughout the whole year, the whole the

733
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: rest of the year. It's good for any other bow

734
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 1: hunting or hunting outside of that window of the rut. Um,

735
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: it's still gonna give that buck like, hey, I've got

736
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: good betting area here. Maybe I can call this part

737
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: of my home range exactly. Yeah, if you if you've

738
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: got the best taj mahal set up around that bucks there,

739
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: if there's multiple taj mahals around, more bucks are gonna

740
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: want to, like you said, have this to be a

741
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: part of their home range. And the more bucks that

742
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: want this to be part of their circuit and their

743
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: home range, the more likely they're gonna be the ones

744
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: that you see during the rut checking your dos if

745
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 1: they're in the zone, if they're in the area because

746
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: of some of the improvements you make. While they may

747
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: not use them exactly how you envisioned, they will be

748
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: at the party, And if they're at the party during

749
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: the rut, you've got a chance. So I you know,

750
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: I would certainly think it's worth doing, but it wasn't

751
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: the first thing I recommended we do in this situation,

752
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: like what we actually went with, because there's something different

753
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: that would give you a better bang for your buck

754
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: that would apply during the rut and at all times.

755
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Um while improving that betting. It'll be good, but it's

756
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: not gonna make a noticeable rut difference for you. What

757
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: we do decide to do is improve upon in Hey,

758
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: I guess you could call it like a fallow food plot.

759
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: The prior owner or actually a hunter had access um

760
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: to the owner's property that hunted it um with a bow.

761
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: He probably put in a fluid plot. I don't know.

762
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: I'm guessing ten twelve years ago, kept it up for

763
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: five or so years, and now it's been It's basically

764
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: when we rolled in and saw it, it was a

765
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: what do you think it was like a half acre

766
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: was a third of an acre and ways to chest

767
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: high raspberry bushes and really walking through there, it's like,

768
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 1: because we're looking for stumps to mark for the um

769
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: the neighbor its tractor. We'll get to that in a second.

770
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: But not a lot of deer sign on the edges

771
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: of that meadow, in those brambles raspberries, Like not a

772
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: lot of sign right, yeah, none time. There's some dropping

773
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: us here and there, but nothing remarkable. So you figured,

774
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: like short term goal like improve this property, Like you know,

775
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: let's make a spot we have basically like in the

776
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: middle of the woods. Um, we've probably got three or

777
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: four yards away, we've got some agg and Um we figured, hey,

778
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: great this food plots like tucked away, be a great

779
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: spot for them to come to on their way to

780
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: the agg fields or maybe on the way back from

781
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: the agg fields. In the morning. It's already here, Like,

782
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: let's see if we can't get it plot planted in

783
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: the time. We have a day and a half and

784
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 1: you know, A big thing, like a big part of

785
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: that decision when I was thinking this through, and we've

786
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: talked about this over the last couple of days, is

787
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 1: when you're looking at making some kind of improvement on

788
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: the property, I always want to start by considering what's

789
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: the missing link, like what's that missing ingredient on my

790
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: property or in the neighborhood. Even you can sometimes zoom

791
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: out farther, and so if you look and say, okay,

792
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: what a deer need? They need food, they need cover,

793
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: they need security, all right, they need to be felt

794
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: like they're not being messed around with humans all the time.

795
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: So when you zoom out and look at the zone,

796
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: it is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds maybe thousands of

797
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: acres of salad, mostly solid timber. And then there's a

798
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: couple crop fields on the outside of this massive zone

799
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: of timber, but not a lot. You have one of

800
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: them on your neighbor It's not what you quite would

801
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: call like up north woods, because I think up north

802
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: woods definitely are a little bit more heavier um conifers,

803
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: right uh, but I mean just here from here, compared

804
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: to the Durn farm, it's like way more big woodsy

805
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: feeling where you can walk through oak forests, over oak ridges,

806
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 1: through oak bowls for hours and not see a field.

807
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,839
Speaker 1: And so that's that's what I looked at. It's like, hey,

808
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: if we're gonna make a change, let's make a change

809
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: that fills that missing Lincoln provides something unique here. Deer

810
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: in this area do not need more cover, but there's

811
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: lots of lots of good cover. Um what they don't

812
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: have a lot of is like a super desirable small

813
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 1: food source. An interrupt just a second tomorrow when we're

814
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: out walking, I want you to, like, as often as

815
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: you see, I want you to point and be like

816
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Doe betting good idea. Yeah, we can do that. Um

817
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: so so yes, it seemed to me that all the

818
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: things you said are true. There was already an opening,

819
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: was a small opening that had been kind of reclaimed

820
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: by nature, but we could we could open it up

821
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: again and create this little opening, which would be unique

822
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: in the area. And then we could plant a highly

823
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: desirable food source, which would be very unique in the area.

824
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 1: Other than a corn field out there ways, there's nothing

825
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 1: else like this. So a little tiny food plot could

826
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: make a big difference for a certain number of deer

827
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: in a spot like this compared to maybe by dogs

828
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: or somewhere in aisle where there's tons and tons of

829
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. It's it's just if you did

830
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: this food plot and one of the dogs was I

831
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: don't know, I can't think of a reason other than

832
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: it's maybe more secure. Think going down to the big,

833
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: big cornfield. And even when those plots that can help

834
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: some it gets you that secure zone. It can be

835
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: a transition point. But here it's so different and unique,

836
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 1: it's going to have a larger a larger impact. So

837
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, I thought, shoot, within you know, we've got

838
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty or six hours to do something.

839
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: We might actually be able to reclaim this thing and

840
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: make it a food plot and set just up up,

841
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: set up a perfect little set up for you or

842
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: your dad. Um. And it's kind of neat to do

843
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: something in like entirety. So rather than they could do

844
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a little project here, a little project there, a little

845
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: project there, it was, Hey, let's make let's fully set

846
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: this thing up from top to bottom and have this

847
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: dialed for hunting season. And that's that's kind of what

848
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: we try to do. Yeah, your first thought was that

849
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 1: we would just um set it and then knocked down

850
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: the raspberries and use those as mulst basically and see

851
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: what would happen, and come in and spray to kill

852
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: the raspberries and see if we get the clover to

853
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: come up. We're lucky where we have a great neighbor.

854
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: Ah the dust some farming has some farm equipment. I

855
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: talked to him ahead of time and said, hey, you know,

856
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: if we need you, we maybe hire you and your tractor.

857
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: He's like sure. So the biggest question was he was

858
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: he gonna be able to get down a little like

859
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, two track that we have for access to

860
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: get his tractor in there. He was able to, and

861
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: so instead of doing what I just described, we're able

862
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: to go full on tiller and basically till the whole

863
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 1: thing up now. Unfortunately, so he rolled in. Um, we

864
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 1: got a couple other things on this morning that we'll

865
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: talk about a second. But he rolled in I don't know,

866
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: just afternoon with his tractor and just like dropped his

867
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: tiller and then like the next five minutes you've got

868
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: you know, six by whatever, fifty sixty yards just like

869
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: the prettiest dirt you've ever seen you're like, okay, like

870
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,959
Speaker 1: we're in business. Unfortunately, a whole bunch of stumps left

871
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 1: in that food plaque. I think the guy that did

872
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 1: it before us did not have heavy equipment, didn't take

873
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: the stumps out, and so we were trying to just

874
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: sort of till through them, and it was chopping up

875
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: some of the smaller stuff. But we pushed it and

876
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: shared a couple of pins, bent a um on the

877
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: times on the tiller, and uh so we went from

878
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: about a third of an acre to a sixth, which

879
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: when you go in there and you look at it,

880
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: you're like, dude, really nice food plot. You know, like

881
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: probably fifty to sixty yards long and twenty yds wide,

882
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: why i'd say wire and twenty so still sizeable chunk.

883
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna come and finish the rest while we're not here.

884
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: My dad's gonna come back and see the rest. But

885
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: we figured we would just keep moving on. So you

886
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: recommended clover, which I think you should speak to that,

887
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: like why the clover? Yeah, Well, I was looking for

888
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: something that we could plant, you know, something would take

889
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: well in the spring, something that's relatively easy to get going,

890
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: and then also that doesn't require constant work. So a

891
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: lot of other food plots that folks used and that

892
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: I've used, and I still use. Our annuals where you

893
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: plant in the fall or like late summer, and then

894
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: it bursts out the ground and you get great growth

895
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: in the fall, but then it's dead in the spring.

896
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 1: To plant again the next year, to do it every

897
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: single year? Question? Yeah, is that why? Because we kind

898
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: of had to run around to a bunch of stores

899
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: in town looking for seed. Nobody had just straight up clover,

900
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: but we did pass over some and I hope this

901
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: isn't like the actual name of a brand, but it

902
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: was like buck crack and crack, but buck crack and

903
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: you know, I forget whatever else there was, but it

904
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: was like other blends of seeds. How come you didn't

905
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: want to go with those because those are annuals, those

906
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 1: are fall falling it. Yeah, and we you don't even

907
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 1: want to plant that stuff now because that stuff would

908
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: if you plan that stuff now, it would mature before

909
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: hunting season and be less desirable once you get to

910
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: the fall. So clover you could plant now and you

911
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 1: can establish it in the spring when it's wet still

912
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: and it's relatively drought hard to see. Even if we

913
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: had a tough stretch, it will do better than some things.

914
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: And the thing is that it will stay attractive right

915
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: on through, So that clover is going to be attractive

916
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: to deer, you know, within a couple of weeks, and really, yeah,

917
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks will be in there eating and

918
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna stay attractive right on through with fall, right

919
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: into the winter. They might still be pawned at it

920
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 1: in December January in some cases. I mean, it's it's

921
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: the closest thing to a year round food plot you

922
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: can find just about any part of the country. Clover

923
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: is just it's magical in that way. There's certainly going

924
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: to be some things will be more desirable at other

925
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: points of the year. So you know, one window, if

926
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: somebody had a bunch of brassicas, that might become more

927
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 1: attractive in December than what you'll have. And when the

928
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: corn gets harvested in November, that's going to become more desirable.

929
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 1: But clover is going to maintain this steady like it's

930
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: a pretty damn good thing right on through. It's really

931
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: hard to find that with anything else. And you have

932
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 1: no vested interest in clover to be selling clover. No,

933
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: this isn't like wied to huntover no wire dun clover.

934
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: All that's a good idea. Maybe that's the next business

935
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: venture we should explore. Right, If you just want clover, yep,

936
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: I got it, Come dr Mark. Uh. But you actually

937
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: bought two different kinds of clover, Yeah, just two different varieties, um,

938
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: both perennial clovers. Um. Just I think it's always a

939
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,760
Speaker 1: good idea to have a little diversity and what you've got.

940
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes one will be a little bit more

941
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: impacted by drought or something, one will be a little hardier,

942
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: One might be a little more attractive early, and one

943
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: will be a little bit more attractive late. So I oftentimes,

944
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: if you can any kind of diversity and kind of mixture,

945
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: we'll just get you a little bit. It's just like

946
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: you diversify an investment portfolil. Exact same idea with the

947
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: food plot. Um. So like what we did in the

948
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: back forty we super diversified that and those were fall

949
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: annuals that you planted, but we had some perennials mixed in,

950
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: so that had a lot of different things which provide

951
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different benefits. In this case, we

952
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: went the minimum diversity. Diversity but a little basically a

953
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,839
Speaker 1: couple of perennials. We'll get some clover out there, get

954
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 1: us started, get this thing rolling, and then you know

955
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do a lot of different

956
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: things with in the future if you ever wanted to.

957
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be relatively maintenance. You don't need to

958
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: plant again next spring. You don't need to plan again

959
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: next fall. All you need to do is if you

960
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: see a bunch of weeds coming up, maybe spray it,

961
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: maybe mow it, probably at least one mowing a year,

962
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: and then maybe a spring, and that'sover. Get on its own.

963
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: Oh I've never tested exactly how high it would get,

964
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 1: but you usually want to mow it. If it gets

965
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, upwards of I don't know, eighteen inches or

966
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: something like that. It gets it gets stocky and not

967
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: as um not as lush and attractive when it gets

968
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: too mature. Most everything reaches some point where matures and

969
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: does not become as desirable. So that's part of the

970
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: reason why the mowing is a good thing. Mowing will

971
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: knock back competing weeds, and then we'll also kind of

972
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: knock that clove over back to that younger early stage

973
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,359
Speaker 1: growth a little bit and becomes super attractive. Then when

974
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: it starts in this you know whatever upper Midwest climate

975
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: and you know seasons, is there like a time if

976
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,760
Speaker 1: you had to guess, you'd be like, man'd be pretty

977
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: optimum if you mode it in August, because then in

978
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 1: October you'd be you know, still rocking and or you know, yes,

979
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: I can't speak to other parts of the country that

980
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't have experience with, but in Michigan, yeah, late August.

981
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: I like to cut late August because you're gonna get

982
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of rain. You're gonna get the fall rains

983
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: coming soon. And at the same time that's gonna line

984
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: up well, if I cut that stuff in late August,

985
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna get all that lush, nice new growth leading

986
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: right into opening day. Growth. It's not like new growth

987
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 1: out of the existing shoots, like you've already got fresh

988
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: seed in the ground and it's full on fresh growth.

989
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: It's it's fresh growth from the existing plants. So like

990
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: new growth from that you know that plant. Now it's

991
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:45,439
Speaker 1: got a Greek grow and that's tender and uh and

992
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: just jam packed with a super concentrated DOSO nutrients, I think, um, so, yeah,

993
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna have the beginnings of a perennial food plot.

994
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 1: There might be a little maintenance like I mentioned, but

995
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be you know, not too bad compared to

996
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: what it could be. And this is gonna be something

997
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: that's sustainable to you know, this could stick around for

998
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: five six years. I've got a perennial clover plot that

999
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: i've you know, with a little bit of fixer upper time.

1000
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: It's been around for eight years now something like that,

1001
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: and I've not had to disc u till I do anything.

1002
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: I haven't had to restart it. It just keeps going

1003
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,399
Speaker 1: and I kind of tweak it every one smile, and

1004
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 1: I'll broadcast a little extra filling any patches, and I'll

1005
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: moll it once a year, and I might spray it

1006
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: once a year, every a couple of years. But that's

1007
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: not the beginnings of what you have. And it's tucked

1008
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: way back in the cover. It's kind of in between

1009
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: two different bedding zones. Between those two different bedding zones,

1010
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: and then we're that big food sources. So and it's

1011
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: the transition between the Yeah, the two habitat types there,

1012
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: So you've got this little like I keep I remember referencing.

1013
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,279
Speaker 1: It's kind of like a little ice cream truck is

1014
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: what you have there where it's the special thing that

1015
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,760
Speaker 1: they're not finding anywhere else, and like this concentrated little dose.

1016
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 1: Plus it's an ice cream truck that like shows up

1017
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: to your bedroom or shows up in your living room,

1018
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: like right in your safe space. These deer don't need

1019
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 1: to go out to the street to get their ice cream.

1020
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: The ice cream is coming right into where they feel

1021
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: very comfortable, way back in that cover. So I think

1022
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: we did the old line distance on on X, which

1023
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: if you're not using that tooling, get off from underneath

1024
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: that rock and go hit the little tools but so

1025
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: far left it says line distance. Hit that. Then you

1026
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: basically tap your screen wherever you're trying to You're you're

1027
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 1: doing this just a measure a distance. So usually it's

1028
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: usually from where I'm standing. So I'll tap like right

1029
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: next to the little blue circle, and then I go

1030
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,439
Speaker 1: over to I had already marked where those buckbeds were.

1031
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: Tap that, and all of a sudden there's a line,

1032
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: and it tells you how long the line is, and

1033
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: sweet sweet function. It's probably aside from just looking at

1034
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: the map and like following a direction on the map,

1035
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:59,839
Speaker 1: that's probably the next most used feature that I use

1036
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: all the time. Um. Anyways, those buck beds or I

1037
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: think were they like two or fifty yards I don't

1038
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 1: remember that one something like that from that food plot,

1039
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: which and he said it was like four yards to

1040
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: the eagg fields or something like that. Yeah, wasn't it

1041
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: along those lines? Yeah? I mean it's it's it's close

1042
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: enough to those bedrooms up there that this will definitely

1043
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,840
Speaker 1: be within their circuit. And this is a much nicer

1044
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: wave for a buck to start his evening feeding routine.

1045
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: If this is like in October, mid October or late September,

1046
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: since you guys have a September opener, I could very

1047
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: easily see bucks dropping off those points, slowly transitioning hitting

1048
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: this little secluded food plot, you know, over the course

1049
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 1: of that last hour of daylight, and then from there

1050
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: slowly moving to the southeast towards the big field and

1051
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: then never need to show their faces in those big

1052
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: fields till after dark, and all the neighbors or whoever

1053
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 1: that would be hunting that kind of stuff wherever never

1054
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: know these bucks lived effort. You guys would see them

1055
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: because your four hundred yards further back into where they

1056
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 1: feel safe, and you've now all of a sudden, like

1057
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: these deer were making a similar travel route, like they

1058
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 1: were going from that general zone to that general zone,

1059
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: but they had no particular reason to go to a

1060
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: little third acre portion of that on any kind of

1061
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: consistent basis. So to try to hunt those deer and

1062
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: to know like, oh, yeah, they're gonna come through here,

1063
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: and to say oh this buck does this or that,

1064
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: it's a total crapshoot. Now we have this little wonderful

1065
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 1: feature that's going to be like a magnet that will

1066
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: pull things that want to generally go from A to

1067
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: b like that general path, but maybe spread over five

1068
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: yard with all of a sudden, Now they're all going

1069
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: to kind of still go from A to B, but

1070
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: this one's gonna swing a little more to the west,

1071
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,240
Speaker 1: and that deer swing a little war of the east,

1072
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: and they're all gonna want to pass by the ice

1073
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: cream stand on the way to get there because this

1074
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: is a great, a great treat and safe treat right

1075
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: on their way. You say, all like it's some important

1076
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: to mention that there's a bunch of country here and

1077
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: it's low dear density like twenty years ago. I think

1078
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: there used to be more deer. But um, when Mark

1079
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: says all, I think that like if you sat there

1080
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: on the evening hunt and had you know, anything more

1081
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: than two deer, you'd be like, whoa, it's all a

1082
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: bunch bunch deer tonight, you know, you know, roll through here,

1083
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully maybe one of them would be a

1084
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: would be a buck. Um. So yeah, it's kind of

1085
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: like I don't want to say I was ever really

1086
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 1: against like I am against still against like farm and deer,

1087
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: like if you especially if you throw in the fence

1088
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: aspect of it. And then like there comes a certain

1089
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: point where I don't know, person, I've never been there,

1090
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: so I really shouldn't just speak to it. But it's

1091
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: just looking from the outside in, there could get to

1092
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 1: a point where the woods just would cease to feel

1093
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: like woods because so fabricated and like right now, like

1094
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: with what we've done, there's a lot of fabrication that

1095
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: we did in the last you know, twenty four hours.

1096
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: But I think that once you know, it turns into

1097
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 1: a clover meadow. And sort of like the other words

1098
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: that we did just kind of blends in. It's it's

1099
01:00:18,840 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: not gonna be this like great departure of what naturally

1100
01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:25,400
Speaker 1: is there, you know. Yeah, it's it's a nice way

1101
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:28,920
Speaker 1: to you know, enjoy the benefits of some of that

1102
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: stuff without going overboard with it. And I think it's

1103
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: going to be the just a great kind of thing

1104
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: for your dad enjoying a bow hunt out there and

1105
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: having a Yeah, you know, those country's got a lot

1106
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: of big ridges that are you know, roughly from roughly

1107
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: the tops of the ridges they are three feet higher

1108
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: than than sort of the bottom lands around here. And uh,

1109
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:58,000
Speaker 1: he's seventy this year and you know, hoping the ridges.

1110
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: He still does it, but like, would you do it

1111
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: six or seven days in a row. No. This place though,

1112
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 1: is like a flat three hundred yard walk from where

1113
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: we've decided the access point is going to be, which

1114
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: we should probably touch on, uh to get into this

1115
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 1: stand that's on the food plot, which um, we should

1116
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: talked about that stand man. I mean, it just like

1117
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: turned out it's almost perfect. We hit like it's like

1118
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: nine out of ten that that negative one point is

1119
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: a big one for you there right now, isn't it. Well, Yeah,

1120
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,200
Speaker 1: but I'm the only one that climbed in there after

1121
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: I got to sit there for a day. Um, with

1122
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: the negative that we're talking about, it's like it's in

1123
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: the right location for wind. Um we're looking at west

1124
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: northwest winds prevailing. So we went southeast corner, east side.

1125
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: We're on the east side towards the southeast corner, and Um, unfortunately,

1126
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:56,960
Speaker 1: it's like I said, it's on that transition between the

1127
01:01:57,000 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: white pines and the oak forest. And guess what we're

1128
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 1: in like a giant like you know, even where the

1129
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: stand sets is probably still an eighteen inch diameter white pie.

1130
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: And after cutting a bunch of limbs and putting that

1131
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: stand up, man, that stand is I don't want to

1132
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: stay covered. But like I climbed into it today and

1133
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,160
Speaker 1: definitely came down a sticky dude. It's all over the

1134
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: climbing sticks, it's all over the safety line, it was

1135
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: all over the bow rope. Yeah, chair, like the seats,

1136
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 1: the seat had a little bit on it. So we're

1137
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 1: gonna figure it out. My dad's gonna have to deal

1138
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,120
Speaker 1: with that. But we'll hold on only option call to

1139
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: action for people listening is my mission. I really want

1140
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 1: to figure out some kind of creative solutions for dealing

1141
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: with pine trees that are leaking sap all over your stuff.

1142
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:50,520
Speaker 1: So if you have an idea something that will slow

1143
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: the SAPs dripping out all over your stuff, or something

1144
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: you can coat a cut limb with or anything like that,

1145
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: if you have any ideas if you're a guy that

1146
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: haunts or a gallon haunt's all uh, you know pine forests,

1147
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: like let us know how you deal with it. Be

1148
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: something you just can't like. It's one thing to have

1149
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: it on your like gloves and a little bit on

1150
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 1: your clothes, but once it was sort of would become

1151
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: part of your bow, I could see issues right if

1152
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: it's like in your cams and on your string and

1153
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, on your knock and then and then

1154
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 1: it's like with aeril flight as the air as the

1155
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: knock leaves a string, who knows. It could be a

1156
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: problem that you don't want to be in that you

1157
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: want to take a break and just close that window

1158
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 1: because I think you're getting a little weak. But yeah, otherwise,

1159
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: there was a lot of good things going for that spot.

1160
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: We wanted something, as you mentioned, good for the wind perspective.

1161
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: We checked that off the list. We wanted something that

1162
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: would be within shooting range of as much of that

1163
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 1: plot area as possible where we thought they'd come from.

1164
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 1: And and we had a little bit of a debate

1165
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: around this, which was balancing the three factors for a

1166
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: tree that I think about at least that being the wind,

1167
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: that being within range of where you think the shots

1168
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: will be, and then finally, will I be able to

1169
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: stay concealed in this tree? Does I have the cover factor?

1170
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: And so every time you choose where to sit, you

1171
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: got to continue to think about those three things and

1172
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:18,000
Speaker 1: then figure out, in my given situation, how do you

1173
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: wait three because sometimes one of the other is more important.

1174
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: And so in this case we got the wind covered good.

1175
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: What we had to figure out was how do we

1176
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 1: choose between cover and shots. There was a tree. It

1177
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: was tucked back into the woods, about seven yards off

1178
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: the edge of the plot. That would get you tucked

1179
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: in there very nicely and you'd be very unlikely to

1180
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: be spotted at all. But it was in the far

1181
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: southern part of the plot. Um it was, like I said,

1182
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 1: like seven or so yards back in there and surrounded

1183
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 1: by lots of trees on all sides. You basically have

1184
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: one shot right in front of you, and you know

1185
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: sixty percent of that small food plot would be out

1186
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: of range something like that, and so that's tough from

1187
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: a perspective. You know, I'm actually gonna get a shot.

1188
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: There was another tree, as you described, that was on

1189
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: kind of centrally located up and down north and south

1190
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: on the east side, and from that you could shoot

1191
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: basically anywhere in the plot downside. It wasn't it was

1192
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 1: right on the edge and maybe even like a little

1193
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:23,680
Speaker 1: from yeah, just a little bit. So that was the

1194
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 1: thing was how do we want to which one is

1195
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 1: more important getting the shots are being more concealed, and

1196
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,959
Speaker 1: you know, ultimately your dad was gonna hunt the most,

1197
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, I would prefer more shots, and

1198
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: I would probably say that you've got a better ability

1199
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 1: to manipulate the other factor in your favor in that one.

1200
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 1: So by that, I mean if I sat the cover one,

1201
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: the one deep in the woods, now I need to

1202
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: say it, is there some way I can improve my

1203
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: shot opportunities. And there's a couple of things you could do,

1204
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: but not as much while with what we chose we it. Okay,

1205
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: we're gonna get all the shot opportunities to want. Now,

1206
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 1: can we improve the concealment. And it's much easier to

1207
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: improve your concealment if you have a pretty good tree,

1208
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:09,760
Speaker 1: which we had a pretty good tree option. Oh, I

1209
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: see the tree is great. One is wide, which like

1210
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: just you know, it just sucks up the human profile

1211
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: and then uh a fair amount of branches coming off

1212
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 1: of it at the right height, and we obviously had

1213
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 1: to do you know, a fair bit of pruning. But

1214
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: like right now, when someone's up in there and you're

1215
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: standing in the plot, you're not seeing much humano. And

1216
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: I recommend three other things too. Number one, I recommend

1217
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: we put the tree stand facing off the back of

1218
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,320
Speaker 1: the tree, so that we're not wide open on the

1219
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: front of it facing the big opening. Instead, you're facing

1220
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:49,439
Speaker 1: the opposite way, so the trunk is now cover. So

1221
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: anything approaching from the food plot it's likely not going

1222
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: to see you if you're coming head on because you're

1223
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: facing the other way. Now, to get a shot, you

1224
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: just stand up and kind of lean over to your

1225
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: left and you can get a shot behind you. So

1226
01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: that was number one. Number two, your dad was thinking Hey,

1227
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: let's grab the ladder standing put up here. And I

1228
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: was like, on this edge like this, I'd rarely do

1229
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: we do everything we can to keep this low profile.

1230
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: So let's not use the big bulky ladder stand that

1231
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,000
Speaker 1: will stick way out. Let's do the climbing sticks that

1232
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: attach right to the side of the tree and hang

1233
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 1: on again, a little more stealthy, a little more um

1234
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: low profile. And then finally, which we weren't able to

1235
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: be done yet, but I hope we can do at

1236
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 1: some point add some pine bobs and a few spots

1237
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 1: just to give you a little more cover, just to

1238
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,360
Speaker 1: be on the safe side there. And if we do that,

1239
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:39,240
Speaker 1: we do those three things, we've essentially nullified all the

1240
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 1: concerns about concealment while getting all the upsides of the

1241
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 1: other two things. So that was my thought process on

1242
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: picking the right spot and making it the perfect spot

1243
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: for what we had to work with. Yeah, and the

1244
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 1: last thing that we did planted a tree. Oh yeah,

1245
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: sort of sort of, So yeah, you're right. We we

1246
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: wanted to um to sweeten the pot. Like I always

1247
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: try to find, like when I'm looking about what I'm

1248
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: thinking about word hunt, I oftentimes first try to find

1249
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: the right zone, like what's the right general spot, and

1250
01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: then it's what's the right spot within the spot. So

1251
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 1: then you micro analyze and you think, okay, So the

1252
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 1: first was all this food plot is going to be

1253
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: a great spot, and then it was figuring out what's

1254
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: the spot within the spot, which was what we described

1255
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 1: find the right tree. And then the the next thing is

1256
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: is there anything I can do to sweeten the deal?

1257
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: And so there were a few things we did to

1258
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: this area to sweeten the deal, and one of them

1259
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:37,000
Speaker 1: is this tree you describe um. Longtime listeners will know

1260
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 1: that I'm a big fan of planting. These fake scrape

1261
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: trees were basically you put a tree, you cut down

1262
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: a tree and stick it in the middle of a

1263
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,240
Speaker 1: food plot or a field edge where it will stand

1264
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,679
Speaker 1: out really conspicuously and you'll create a mock scrape huntreath

1265
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: it and these bucks will flock to these trees, just

1266
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,759
Speaker 1: like a large mouth bass will flock to a sunk

1267
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: tree in the middle of the lake. All right, it's

1268
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: the structure, and almost all animals are attracted to structure

1269
01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:05,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of a model culture. So whether it's

1270
01:09:05,880 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 1: a model culture of water or a wide open field. Uh,

1271
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: they want to go to that, and in this case,

1272
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:14,839
Speaker 1: they really want to go to a scrape tree. Because

1273
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:17,439
Speaker 1: this is a communication of if you can get them

1274
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: to start using these, which they almost immediately do, they

1275
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 1: start making it better and better because every deer they

1276
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: visits it leaves a calling card. They leave their name

1277
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: and the number. Who I am, what I've been doing. Basically,

1278
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,799
Speaker 1: when do you think we'll start seeing dear hit it tonight? Really?

1279
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: Now tonight, It's gonna be like, what the hell is

1280
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 1: this thing? What's going on? And so they'll be dealing,

1281
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: sniffing around, concerned. You might see them get spooky. Um,

1282
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: we've got two cameras in the area, so you're gonna

1283
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: get to see this um ones on video mode, which

1284
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 1: would be really interesting. But you know, assuming there's deer

1285
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 1: in the area, which I'm assuming there are, Um, they

1286
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:52,639
Speaker 1: will hit it tonight and they're like, what the hell

1287
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: is this thing? What's going on? That? There's a lot

1288
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,719
Speaker 1: of human stink here. We're gonna go in there tomorrow.

1289
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: There's gonna be deer tracks in that in that dirt

1290
01:09:59,240 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: might be shocked. There wasn't the only reason why there

1291
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't be, as if it's just such a low deer density.

1292
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: But if I did this like in Michigan, where I

1293
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 1: know it's high deer density, oh absolutely, a bunch of

1294
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: them checking out. They're curious critters. They might not do

1295
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,879
Speaker 1: it in daylight right away because there's there's so much commotion,

1296
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: like they're gonna be uneasy about it, But at nighttime

1297
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: that's when their curiosity comes out and they're thinking, man,

1298
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: what's going on here, what's happening, And what's eventually gonna

1299
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: happen is they're gonna start you know, they'll get comfortable

1300
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 1: after a week or two or something, and then dear,

1301
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: we'll start using that scrape. Not right now, they're not

1302
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: going to actually start pawing it up. That won't happen

1303
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: until the fall, but bucks and does will start leaving

1304
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: chemical signals on that liking branch. So basically, we took

1305
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: a tree, cut down, you know, a six ft section

1306
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,759
Speaker 1: of it, buried two ft of it into the ground,

1307
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,879
Speaker 1: and now there's a big pine pole in new Ella's

1308
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,639
Speaker 1: field with several branches hanging out at about four ft tall.

1309
01:10:56,320 --> 01:10:58,400
Speaker 1: That will be the licking branches, and then there's gonna

1310
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 1: be a scrape like a scuffed out oval of dirt

1311
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,760
Speaker 1: underneath it, and in the summer of these deer will

1312
01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: sniff and lick and rub their eyeballs and their foreheads

1313
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: and their noses on those branches, leaving all that information.

1314
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: Once we get to August or September, WHOA, I recommend,

1315
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: like you your dad kickstart that ground scrape and then

1316
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: from there they're just gonna keep it going and going

1317
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: and going all year round. They might not scuff up

1318
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:22,960
Speaker 1: the dirt all year und but they will be smelling

1319
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:26,120
Speaker 1: it all year round. And um, what that does you know,

1320
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: what's gonna do for your dad is that hopefully come

1321
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if he's hunting in here,

1322
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: lay October, early November, whatever. If a buck comes to

1323
01:11:33,920 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 1: check out this food plot. If it's early season, maybe

1324
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: he's coming to feed. If it's November one, he's coming

1325
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: in to check if there's does, because there will be

1326
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: does consistently busy this Um, he's gonna come in there

1327
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 1: and he's gonna check it out, and he's gonna see

1328
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: the community bar or whatever, the online dating app in

1329
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 1: the middle as you were saying the other day, Um,

1330
01:11:53,479 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: and he's gonna go hit it and he's gonna go

1331
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: to that scrape and he's gonna stop, and he's gonna

1332
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: be sniffing. He might kick it up, and all the

1333
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: while we position this scrape right where we wanted it,

1334
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 1: so that scrape is positioned even angled to get the

1335
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 1: buck to angle in the general way we want him to.

1336
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: So he'll walk in there. He's gonna be twenty yards

1337
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: away from your dad, and he's gonna angle perfectly broadside

1338
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 1: while looking at this tree and this scrape, and your

1339
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: dad's gonna be off to the side, out of sight

1340
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: where this buck will never know it and help you'll

1341
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: drawback real nice and get a shot like that's the

1342
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 1: script you write and you hope will happen. Doesn't always

1343
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: happen like that, no, not at all, but it it

1344
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: gives you a good chance of something like similar to

1345
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 1: that could happen. And even if he like comes ten

1346
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: yards down wind of that scrape should be in bow range,

1347
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, that's the other thing that we mentioned

1348
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 1: to sort of like not make some shots that are

1349
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: too close and not put deer that are gonna end

1350
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,719
Speaker 1: up getting directly down wind of you know, your ladder

1351
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: and where you've been because we sort of like right

1352
01:12:56,200 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: on the edge of the food plot behind the staying in. Uh.

1353
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,080
Speaker 1: We there was already a brush pile from when the

1354
01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 1: when the plot was cleared, and we just sort of

1355
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: extended that with the trees that we took out from

1356
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: when we were doing the edge feathering and made basically

1357
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: like a natural fence that's probably forty yards long ish. Yeah,

1358
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:23,639
Speaker 1: And the goal there is is that if they're actually

1359
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 1: like coming towards the stand and they're gonna end up

1360
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: being like right underneath you, that that sort of visual

1361
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 1: will make them go a little bit wider and instead

1362
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,680
Speaker 1: of being like a three yard steep angle shot and

1363
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: nobody wants to take, you know, push them out to

1364
01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:42,360
Speaker 1: ten fifteen where you've you know, you got a shot out.

1365
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 1: And it also kind of protects your down wind side

1366
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: because we we placed that wall on our down wind

1367
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, on the down wind side of us. So

1368
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 1: you're hoping to push them, you know, to the north

1369
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: or south ere a little bit. So if we have

1370
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: that due you know, northwest wind basis basically is what

1371
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: we're protected from. Now, you know, it's going to push

1372
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: these deer too. You know, they certainly could go through

1373
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,160
Speaker 1: like when you say fence. Don't anyone think that we

1374
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:10,559
Speaker 1: literally got a barrier. It's just a couple of down

1375
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: tree limbs and stuff, But it's enough. They could just

1376
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: make it a little bit of a like a nisan,

1377
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: make it inconvenient. And almost always a deer is gonna

1378
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 1: take the path at least resistance she or he does

1379
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: not want to go push him through extra stuff. They

1380
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: don't have to. If there's a really easy open path

1381
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: ten yards more that way, that's the way they're gonna angle.

1382
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,639
Speaker 1: And so now he's got the that sweet scrape tree

1383
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: in the middle. That's going to get one thing going.

1384
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,719
Speaker 1: And then if they go past that and he hasn't

1385
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: shot anything, he's got now another thing that's going to

1386
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: divert their traffic just a little bit out behind him

1387
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,679
Speaker 1: to avoid getting winded, to maybe give him a better

1388
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: shot at angle if he ends up wanting to do that. Um,

1389
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you're just stacking a bunch of little things,

1390
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 1: like any one of these things might only help you

1391
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,840
Speaker 1: two percent. But as I always like to preach, like

1392
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: you got to take a shotgun approach some times to

1393
01:15:00,840 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: deer hunting because there's so many things we can't control

1394
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 1: that every little one percent I can stack could add

1395
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: up to maybe seven of a better chance. And the

1396
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: seven percent better chance can make a huge difference when

1397
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: you're trying to get that one deer you're gonna get

1398
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 1: cracked at all year. So so that's why I like

1399
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:21,040
Speaker 1: all these little sweeteners, all these little tweaks. You know,

1400
01:15:21,640 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 1: that's sometimes the difference between seeing something and putting something

1401
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: the freezer. So we did that, you made you did

1402
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 1: a little bit of edge feathering, which you know, some

1403
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,120
Speaker 1: hinge cutting, some edge of feathering, basically just making some cuts,

1404
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of making the plot edge more regular, more diverse.

1405
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: There's gonna be sunlight getting into the edges now, so

1406
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,080
Speaker 1: it's not gonna like a hard food plot to pine timber.

1407
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 1: It's gonna be food plot two kind of brushy brambles

1408
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: down trees and then into the timber, whether it's the

1409
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,639
Speaker 1: maple oak stuff or the pines in the south. Um,

1410
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: so all these little things are going to add up

1411
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,760
Speaker 1: to this, you know, being the I keep saying, but

1412
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,439
Speaker 1: this is gonna be like the the neatest little damn

1413
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: ice cream stand anywhere around and uh positioned really well

1414
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: for someone to get a shot at something. You told me,

1415
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 1: you feel like again, unless there's just like such low

1416
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: deer density that like there aren't deer moving around through

1417
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 1: there every day, but that just about every sit if

1418
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:22,040
Speaker 1: you do the right thing with access, play the wind right,

1419
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 1: don't sit on a bad wind, that you could kill

1420
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: a deer like a dough or a buck. Every time

1421
01:16:28,840 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: you said it, I'd be shocked if you couldn't. Assuming

1422
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,439
Speaker 1: you don't, I assuming all those things you just said,

1423
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: and that you don't over pressure. So if you hunted

1424
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: it every day, they're gonna catch on you, right. But

1425
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:42,839
Speaker 1: if if you were to go in here October one

1426
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,400
Speaker 1: and then you went in again like October, and then

1427
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: you hunted it five days from November one, the November

1428
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: five or whatever like that kind of thing, I'd be shocked.

1429
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,599
Speaker 1: If you're not shooting. If if there's not a doll

1430
01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:59,920
Speaker 1: family group hitting this every day, I'd be very very surprised,

1431
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: and I'd be very yeah, something's wrong with if that's

1432
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,680
Speaker 1: not happening, because it's just it's so ideal. Um. And

1433
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,760
Speaker 1: if that's happening, if there's a dope family group visiting

1434
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 1: this every day, if not multiple, which they're variable, might

1435
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 1: be multiple, there's going to be bucks checking it every

1436
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: day during the rut will be the one you want

1437
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: to shoot. I can't guarantee that, but there will be

1438
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:23,840
Speaker 1: days where four bucks will come by. Yeah, I think

1439
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be a good thing, and it's

1440
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,000
Speaker 1: something that could help and produce whether you know you

1441
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: or your dad were out here hunting on opening days Stember,

1442
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: or if you're here doing the rut. This kind of thing,

1443
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 1: you know, because does on the rut a betting defeating

1444
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 1: type of thing like this helps right just as much

1445
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 1: as it helps in the early season. So let's talk

1446
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 1: about the access a little bit to it. Right, Basically,

1447
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 1: like off the main road, there's like a logging road

1448
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 1: that comes in pretty much goes straight to it. Because

1449
01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: when I say logging road, like a two track through

1450
01:17:58,439 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 1: the woods. There's also another one sort of does like

1451
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 1: a huge shape to it, and it's it's a loop

1452
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,559
Speaker 1: you know, that basically has its food plot at the

1453
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: far end of it. Um And really we decided that well,

1454
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 1: I don't know you talked through the access. The big

1455
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: thing is that you just want to think about where

1456
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: are these deer when I'm moving through in which one

1457
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 1: of my routes will allow me to make sure I'm

1458
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:33,120
Speaker 1: not educating them to my presence. So for a evening

1459
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,600
Speaker 1: sit I'm thinking, Okay, if I'm going to walk in

1460
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 1: there at two o'clock or three o'clock in the afternoon,

1461
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: where are those deer right now, whether they're up on

1462
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 1: those bedding ridges and knobs, and so I want to

1463
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 1: make sure that I damn well don't go anywhere close

1464
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:47,720
Speaker 1: to those as I try to walk in there. So

1465
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: right now, that northern two track gets pretty tight to

1466
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 1: that point. So if the leaves are down and it's

1467
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: a little bit still, and you try to walk that

1468
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: like most obvious trailing, which I'm sure this past hunter

1469
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 1: probably did. All right, That's probably what a lot of

1470
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,760
Speaker 1: guys would do. They'd walk that two track. If there's

1471
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 1: a buck or doze betting on that ridge or that knob,

1472
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,920
Speaker 1: they know absolutely everything you're doing. I bet you when

1473
01:19:11,960 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 1: you're at the closest point from the closest buck bed

1474
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:19,759
Speaker 1: on that knob as the crow flies is probably yeah.

1475
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:23,640
Speaker 1: So I just can't do that. So in the afternoons,

1476
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:26,960
Speaker 1: my recommendation would take would be either to go to

1477
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: the far southern border of your property or at least

1478
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: the far southern two track and walk that and stay

1479
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: as far away from that betting ridge and knob as

1480
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 1: you can, circling basically on the down wind side of

1481
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: that tree standing will come with the back. So that's

1482
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: what I would do for an afternoon, said, I think

1483
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: about it the opposite way for the evening, because now

1484
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: when it's you know, four thirty in the morning or

1485
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:51,439
Speaker 1: five in the morning or whatever, and I want to

1486
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:54,080
Speaker 1: head into hunt that spot. What are the bucks now?

1487
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 1: We're any deer now? Well, they're at least a good

1488
01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 1: portion of them are probably out in those big agg

1489
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: fields to the south. And how do you get to

1490
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,599
Speaker 1: that southern two track we mentioned to that southern border.

1491
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: Will you have to at one point walk along the

1492
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 1: edge of that cornfield or get very very close to it.

1493
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't want to do that. I'd want to

1494
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 1: do one or two things. Either drive to that edge

1495
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 1: and get dropped off, or find some kind of stealthy

1496
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,720
Speaker 1: way to park a vehicle there and hop out and

1497
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,080
Speaker 1: walk the edge in a way that you know, deer

1498
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: often are less disturbed by vehicle, or as I got

1499
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 1: to think and shoot, maybe just take the north to

1500
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 1: trek in where you don't need to go anywhere near

1501
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: that cornfield, And yeah, you are walking a two track

1502
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: that hypothetically some of these deer might cross when they

1503
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,679
Speaker 1: come back about it, and they could cross your path

1504
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: and could possibly win that. But as I started thinking

1505
01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 1: more about it on our walk back this evening, I

1506
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: started thinking, jeez, that might be one deer two deer versus. Again,

1507
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't know deer numbers here, but it could be

1508
01:20:55,880 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 1: twelve deer out in that corn field. You would spook

1509
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 1: that will never come back your way that day if

1510
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,519
Speaker 1: you blow them out way to the other direction, right,

1511
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 1: So so again I'm thinking where are they right now

1512
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: as I need to walk through, and what route keeps

1513
01:21:08,760 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: me as far as possible from that? And I think

1514
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: that's a big thing like on this property in general,

1515
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: thinking about whether it be that staying as far away

1516
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:20,000
Speaker 1: as possible or you know, in one of the scenaris

1517
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: we talked about, and I'm sure we'll talk about here soon,

1518
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: you know, you have certain terrange features that act as

1519
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 1: highways on this property. And if you walk on the

1520
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: highway the whole way with him, it's one thing for

1521
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: dear to cross your trail and he's on your scent

1522
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 1: trail for three seconds and then he's on his own

1523
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: way and gone. It's another thing to ask that buck

1524
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: to walk your trail for a quarter mile and not

1525
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: to be boogered. Um. So you have to weigh those

1526
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: things and make decisions to um. But yeah, as far

1527
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 1: as the Papa Yanni stand, the Papua Yanni, heidy hole

1528
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: sweet spot, I think we did a lot of things

1529
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 1: that will make it awfully nice. Oh yeah, I think

1530
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: he's stoked, man. I mean, I hope. So we went

1531
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:08,760
Speaker 1: from zero to hero today seeing all that we worked

1532
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 1: on it yesterday too, But yeah, I mean there was

1533
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 1: like there was literally nothing there, no reason to hunt there. Really,

1534
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: Now there's like a great couple of great reasons to

1535
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:23,680
Speaker 1: hunt there along with stand. That puts you right in

1536
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: the money. It's so I'm very excited, Like standing up

1537
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 1: there yesterday and looking around, and then today as we

1538
01:22:30,479 --> 01:22:33,880
Speaker 1: transformed it more, I just kept thinking, I'd love to

1539
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,559
Speaker 1: be sitting here that first day and to see those

1540
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:39,160
Speaker 1: first dear kind of trickle out through the cover and

1541
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: get in here. I mean, that's that is one of

1542
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 1: the coolest things when you work on some kind of

1543
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: habitat and fervent project is the first time you see

1544
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 1: wildlife using it and enjoying it and doing the stuff

1545
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: you were kind of hoping that they would. That is

1546
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,759
Speaker 1: a really cool feeling, like, oh wow, it it actually worked.

1547
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 1: This actually did the cool thing I was hoping it

1548
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,720
Speaker 1: would do. It's very rewarding. I'm hoping to kill a

1549
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 1: turn in that food plot. It will be a nice

1550
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: right exactly, Yeah, really nice little stut zone. Yeah there's

1551
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: roost trees not too far away. Yeah. Um, but yeah,

1552
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 1: access brings us to like where I like to hunt,

1553
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:17,519
Speaker 1: which is more up on the ridges, and it's basically

1554
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,439
Speaker 1: like bowls and ridges country. That's kind of what I

1555
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 1: you know, describe it. Describe it as again, a couple

1556
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: of hundred feet maybe three under feet elevation gain and

1557
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 1: big bowls that have you know, fingers that come out

1558
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:35,640
Speaker 1: into them. Um, some longer than others, but you know

1559
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: long ridges that connect to other bowls. And the way

1560
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,679
Speaker 1: everybody has been walking this country, and it's the easiest

1561
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:47,080
Speaker 1: way to walk this country is to get on a ridge,

1562
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 1: walk a finger up to a ridge, get on the ridge,

1563
01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 1: and then just run the ridge until you get to

1564
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,639
Speaker 1: the bowl. Or you know, the flat or whatever you're

1565
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,760
Speaker 1: gonna be hunting and then jump off the ridge because

1566
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: the ridges all have a what's running you know. Well

1567
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,439
Speaker 1: that was a big eye opener for me today when

1568
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:06,880
Speaker 1: you explain what you already explained earlier. Is like, dude,

1569
01:24:07,240 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: you're asking that buck a lot. If you've been walking

1570
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 1: on that ridge for ten twenty minutes more and you think,

1571
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:18,160
Speaker 1: now Buck's gonna jump on that ridge behind you and

1572
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 1: end up coming towards you down that he's just not. Yeah,

1573
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: I mean at least nine ten times it's not. You

1574
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,520
Speaker 1: have the there's always exceptions to the rule, but but yeah,

1575
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,559
Speaker 1: you know, there's deer running the side hills, those ridges.

1576
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: There's deer running from the top of the times, different

1577
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 1: times of the day. I mean, they're the easiest route

1578
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,960
Speaker 1: for you, and they're the easiest route for those critters.

1579
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 1: So my idea was, let's look at different ways you

1580
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,520
Speaker 1: can do an end around those and pop up the drainage.

1581
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,960
Speaker 1: So find us about where the deer aren't is likely

1582
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 1: to be congregating and traveling, and then you know it's

1583
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,280
Speaker 1: it's it's just like um, you know, back home by

1584
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: me an idea that I like to use. Walk a

1585
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,559
Speaker 1: creek and then have a tree stand right in the

1586
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: edge of the creek, so you don't need to walk

1587
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 1: across anything the deer is going to travel on. You

1588
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:07,719
Speaker 1: walk the creek and you just pop up the bank

1589
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 1: up into a tree. It's the same kind of thing

1590
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: here where you're at the bottom of the drainage. You

1591
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: don't think that box is gonna do that take that

1592
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 1: same path. I know they take it because the buck

1593
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: that almost got shot on would take that path, took

1594
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: that path to get to me. A creek. No, not

1595
01:25:22,560 --> 01:25:24,639
Speaker 1: the creek, but what how you're telling me to get

1596
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: into this spot that we looked at today. Certainly could happen.

1597
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that if I'm if I'm playing

1598
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 1: the game of averages and I'm trying to say, like,

1599
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: how often are these bucks gonna cruise or travel through here,

1600
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,879
Speaker 1: I think it's more likely that deer will be cruising

1601
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: up and down those long ridges on the side hill

1602
01:25:42,479 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 1: either way, and does probably sometimes on the tops. Like

1603
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,320
Speaker 1: that's a major line of movement that thinks me relatively consistent.

1604
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: While random ups and downs and random places in the drainage,

1605
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 1: I think that's more random and so I would rather

1606
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:01,120
Speaker 1: bet on an act of randomness versus the high probability

1607
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:04,880
Speaker 1: odds that they're gonna take the typical upper third ridge

1608
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 1: somewhere along their ridgetop and be somewhere along there. Um,

1609
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 1: so why don't just pop up this little drainage and

1610
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: then do just have to walk thirty yards across the

1611
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 1: high travel profile versus yards along that stretch. Um. Well,

1612
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting because I'm gonna have to try

1613
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:25,679
Speaker 1: to like introduce that idea for traveling in this country

1614
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 1: to basically everybody has been hunting here for the last

1615
01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: forty or fifty years, because, like I said, man, that

1616
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: is just how everybody gets to their stand Um. But yeah,

1617
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: another cool thing about well, the way to introduce where

1618
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 1: we were today and check out was that it's a

1619
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: spot that I wanted to hunt. I really actually wanted

1620
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,080
Speaker 1: to hunt it ever since I was like a kid,

1621
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 1: because we call it the Oak Flat, and to me,

1622
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,160
Speaker 1: the Oak Flat just whatever forever reason, it just has

1623
01:26:57,200 --> 01:27:02,639
Speaker 1: like a there's just some like twinkly stars around Oak Flat,

1624
01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: you know, and it's just like seems like a place

1625
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: where like it's one of the first thing you learned

1626
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,160
Speaker 1: about deer in the woods is that they eat acorns

1627
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 1: that fall out of oaks, and that they would come

1628
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: up out of a bowl and feed up on this flat.

1629
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:18,280
Speaker 1: So there's other spots around here that have the names,

1630
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: like the first Valley, the second Ridge, you know, the

1631
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 1: old uh Um Foundation. You know, it was like an

1632
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 1: old foundation from like a home setter up one of

1633
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: the valleys. Right. None of those spots are like kill

1634
01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: big buck here. But when someone's like, oh, the oak flag,

1635
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,759
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I'd like to go see the oak flap.

1636
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,040
Speaker 1: So last year I was like, straight up nostalgic reasons

1637
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: because I've been thinking about it for thirty years. I

1638
01:27:42,920 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt there. But then looking at it on

1639
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,559
Speaker 1: the map, I was like, man, three ridges come together.

1640
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: There's like, I don't know, depending on how you want

1641
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,880
Speaker 1: to break it up, three or more bulls that kind

1642
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: of dropping off on all sides. One of our neighbors

1643
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: is close by there, and he couple three years ago

1644
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: did a cut a pretty I'd almost call it a

1645
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 1: clear cut. I mean there's parts of it that are

1646
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:11,519
Speaker 1: wide open and a lot of leftover stuff, a lot

1647
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: of you know, thick bedding cover now growing coming in Um,

1648
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: it just seemed like a good spot, so I hunted

1649
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:22,559
Speaker 1: it last year has some good encounters you were as

1650
01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:24,320
Speaker 1: one of the spots that you want to check out.

1651
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: You showed me an on Xllent. We're like you should

1652
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: You're like we should go there. I'm like, oh, that's

1653
01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: the Oak Flat. I and have a long history with it,

1654
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, tell me why you liked it so much. Well,

1655
01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: what I try to do in a situation like this

1656
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: is try to try to simplify the game a little bit,

1657
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 1: because when you're looking at the amount of space we

1658
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:50,720
Speaker 1: had here, like you said that, there's a lot to

1659
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: work with, there's a lot to over analyze if you

1660
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: tried to. And so I wanted just to look at

1661
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: the big picture and see, Okay, what's how's word deer?

1662
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:04,519
Speaker 1: How do I expect dear to travel across this big terrain? Like?

1663
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: What are the major major features? And then what do

1664
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,879
Speaker 1: I know about how dear generally travel? And can I

1665
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: can I find a couple of focal points? Is there

1666
01:29:11,880 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: anything that's going to really move deer in a predictable

1667
01:29:15,360 --> 01:29:17,280
Speaker 1: way more than anything else? And so I'm looking and

1668
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,920
Speaker 1: as you have talked about the big ridge, systems, and

1669
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:26,800
Speaker 1: this particular ridge system has like a main river, and

1670
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:28,840
Speaker 1: then if you envision this being like a river is

1671
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: the way I was kind of looking AT's like a

1672
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 1: big river like the Colorado River, and then there's several

1673
01:29:33,640 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 1: big tributary rivers, like how the Green River comes into

1674
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,840
Speaker 1: the Colorado River or something like that. And then there's

1675
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 1: all these little creeks that come off of it, little

1676
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: knobs and points and things like that. And so I

1677
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,799
Speaker 1: started looking, and there's if you take a passing glance

1678
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 1: at the map, it just seems kind of hodgepodge, all

1679
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: sorts of points and ridges and all this kind of stuff.

1680
01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:55,280
Speaker 1: But if you focus, you'll start to see. Actually, there's

1681
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 1: two points in the property you can hunt where major

1682
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: river is converge, where there's two points where three major

1683
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,120
Speaker 1: ridges all hubb up. And so you're pulling in from

1684
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,200
Speaker 1: three different river systems almost, and the Oak Flat was

1685
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:14,160
Speaker 1: the best one of those where three different big ridge

1686
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: point systems that also had their own tributarias and different

1687
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: things coming into them all came together. This is the

1688
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 1: only place that had that is prominently So right away

1689
01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, Okay, during the rut, I know there will

1690
01:30:26,920 --> 01:30:30,839
Speaker 1: be there will be bucks cruising these and this pulls

1691
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: in the most water from tribut areas to creeks all

1692
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 1: into one place. And oh, by the way, you have

1693
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: this hub of movement that also is up high where

1694
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: you can have essentially bulletproof wind by hunting an edge

1695
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: of that and blowing your wind over one of these

1696
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:48,559
Speaker 1: big bowls. So there's two great things going for you.

1697
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:51,640
Speaker 1: You've got the wind thing figured out. You've got a

1698
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 1: concentration of buck movement during the rut that's more predictable

1699
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: than almost anything else. And so right there that gave

1700
01:30:57,280 --> 01:30:59,600
Speaker 1: me like, oh, I need to check this out. And

1701
01:30:59,640 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 1: then got there I found out what you just said,

1702
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: which is that your neighbor cut his north ridge, so

1703
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,080
Speaker 1: one of these spokes of the wheel has got this

1704
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:11,840
Speaker 1: mega cut and now it's just brushy, nasty. I mean,

1705
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:13,880
Speaker 1: there's got to be does betting in there. So now

1706
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,599
Speaker 1: I know not only is this a hub a funnel

1707
01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 1: of sorts. Not only do you have a great wind

1708
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,519
Speaker 1: situation going for me, but it's also adjacent to what's

1709
01:31:21,520 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: got to be a really good dough betting area. And

1710
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: we didn't even mention the fact, and you alluded to

1711
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: it but there's a bunch of oaks on here, so

1712
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 1: and there's food. You can't write up anything better for

1713
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 1: a October thirty one to November hunt. And so that's

1714
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 1: the kind of spot when we got there and I

1715
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 1: saw it, and I saw that everything kind of matched

1716
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,000
Speaker 1: stuff the way I was hoping it would, plus a

1717
01:31:43,000 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: little bonus. That's the kind of place that you could

1718
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 1: hunt day after day. And explaining this to me because

1719
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the one thing that doesn't just sort

1720
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,760
Speaker 1: of like fall perfectly into a slot with like that

1721
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 1: what we've been talking about is that the box want

1722
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:01,840
Speaker 1: to be running that third of the way down right

1723
01:32:01,880 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 1: off the off the ridge. Yeah, this spot like you're

1724
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:08,360
Speaker 1: gonna sit be sitting on the ridge pretty much. Yeah

1725
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: the ridge one ridge kind of rises away from you.

1726
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: But like you're hunting the top. So how how are

1727
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:18,040
Speaker 1: you um just find that when you're thinking the run,

1728
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: the bucks should be, you know, fifty yards below you.

1729
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think in this case they will

1730
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 1: be fifty yards below you. Two reasons. It's tight enough

1731
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: that even on your I mean, I'm trying to think

1732
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:36,120
Speaker 1: of how to describe this verbally without and not making

1733
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: sense to people without seeing it um right next to you.

1734
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:44,639
Speaker 1: It's super steep. I don't think they're traveling super downlow

1735
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:47,919
Speaker 1: because of how steep it is. Is that true overall?

1736
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: Like if you're in one of these bowls and you

1737
01:32:49,960 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 1: just see just like something that you're like, wow, that

1738
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 1: would be like a good ski run, or it's almost

1739
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: like like it could have a cliff or something down there.

1740
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: Little ways you can kind of exit that off as

1741
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 1: a val route and think that you are gonna go

1742
01:33:02,120 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 1: around that. You could, like all these things should be

1743
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,400
Speaker 1: like starting points, like an assumption. I would make that

1744
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: assumption to start. I'd want to verify it. I want to,

1745
01:33:10,120 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: like i'd sit and watch and see. Like you know,

1746
01:33:12,560 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 1: sometimes these deer can be like mountain ghosts and surprise you,

1747
01:33:15,360 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 1: but more often than not, they'll take a easier path.

1748
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's gonna act as like a pinch and

1749
01:33:20,560 --> 01:33:23,280
Speaker 1: push them farther up into the slightly easier stuff. So

1750
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:25,719
Speaker 1: I think that if any buck comes around that corner

1751
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,320
Speaker 1: where we decided to set your stand, they'll come through

1752
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: in range of you there. I think that if any

1753
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 1: buck comes down from the ridge on the straight across

1754
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 1: from you, you're probably gonna see him cruising up and

1755
01:33:36,080 --> 01:33:38,439
Speaker 1: around there. You also have I mean you have the oaks,

1756
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,479
Speaker 1: you have that betting, so they'll be cruising on the

1757
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: down winds or I mean on the thirds. Will there

1758
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,800
Speaker 1: be criss crossing. They'll be bucks that want to get

1759
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,400
Speaker 1: from one side to the other. So there's going to

1760
01:33:50,439 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 1: be crossed the top movement on this hub. I think.

1761
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 1: So if you imagine, like if someone's thinking of this

1762
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: at home, Um, what's a good way to scribe this?

1763
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like your arm of your hand is

1764
01:34:01,160 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 1: this hub, and then you've got like one of these

1765
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,639
Speaker 1: ridges is your arm, and then one of these ridges

1766
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,000
Speaker 1: is your thumb, and one of these ridges of all

1767
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 1: the rest of your fingers if they were squeezed together.

1768
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:13,719
Speaker 1: And there'll be some bucks that will side hill any

1769
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:16,000
Speaker 1: one of those features. But then there will also be

1770
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: bucks that want to get across to the other bedding

1771
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:19,760
Speaker 1: and to the other stuff. So you're gonna have criss cross,

1772
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna have side and you're not gonna cover all

1773
01:34:22,439 --> 01:34:24,920
Speaker 1: of it, but you're gonna cover a whole lot more

1774
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,759
Speaker 1: than you would anywhere else. You'll be in the game

1775
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 1: on a whole lot more. Um. And so that's That's

1776
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,599
Speaker 1: why I would play it this way to start. Maybe

1777
01:34:32,640 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt it, and you're gonna see everything crossed.

1778
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:38,680
Speaker 1: And then they dropped right down the hill and I

1779
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,760
Speaker 1: never saw my saw for two seconds and the cross

1780
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: and then they were downhill, so they're sidehilling more. Maybe

1781
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna hunt you know that south tree that we

1782
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,679
Speaker 1: talked about, So if you had a northern would northerly wind,

1783
01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 1: you would hunt down there, and you can see down

1784
01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: that hill a little bit more. Maybe you'll hunt that

1785
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:53,920
Speaker 1: and see that. Yeah, they really do hug farther down there.

1786
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,600
Speaker 1: And and I might be wrong, but I would like

1787
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,879
Speaker 1: to start on closer to that hub and and observe

1788
01:35:00,960 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: and see what happens. That would be the starting point

1789
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:06,600
Speaker 1: at least. Well, and again I have some personal experience,

1790
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:08,720
Speaker 1: you know. I said it for I don't know, four

1791
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:13,240
Speaker 1: or five CITs last year, And interestingly, wow, see the

1792
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:14,720
Speaker 1: last year was a little bit different. So we kind

1793
01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,760
Speaker 1: of kind of had like a south wind, which is hot,

1794
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:21,000
Speaker 1: but all a year that I saw up there came

1795
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: from kind of the north and then onto the flat

1796
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:31,639
Speaker 1: and then kind of hooked and got you know, started

1797
01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:36,200
Speaker 1: working across or up the wind again. And and that's

1798
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,320
Speaker 1: the nice thing about hunting mobile like we do, is

1799
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 1: that you can adjust. See, Like I always go into

1800
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 1: this with like a thought through assumption, but then I

1801
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:48,800
Speaker 1: always have to confirm that assumption with a sighting, with

1802
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:53,160
Speaker 1: observations or sign on the ground that tells you something different. Um.

1803
01:35:53,240 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: And then you get to be able to jump on

1804
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,200
Speaker 1: that once you see that you were wrong and tweak

1805
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 1: it fifty yards or a hundred yards or ten yards,

1806
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: whatever it is, um. But it's it's a really really

1807
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 1: good zone. And the spot that we picked, you know,

1808
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:10,000
Speaker 1: I thought with a prevailing wind north in that case

1809
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:11,920
Speaker 1: it would be more of like a westerly wind. And

1810
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,440
Speaker 1: the other three he picked me for north or northwest,

1811
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna be scott free with a wind on almost

1812
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: any win like that. You're really gonna a hard time

1813
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:22,720
Speaker 1: getting winded out there. And you can so you can

1814
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:24,759
Speaker 1: sit this a couple of days in a row, and

1815
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, assuming all other things go okay, it's the

1816
01:36:28,120 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 1: kind of spot that if you put in the time,

1817
01:36:29,680 --> 01:36:32,479
Speaker 1: I would just be shocked if you don't have bucks

1818
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 1: cruising through there. UM, I would almost be willing to

1819
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: put I'm a high roller I'll put ten dollars on

1820
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:41,960
Speaker 1: the table and say that if you sa at that

1821
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: for three days in at some point in the first

1822
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: ten days in November, if you sat that all day

1823
01:36:47,560 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 1: for three days and you access to it right, and

1824
01:36:49,800 --> 01:36:53,240
Speaker 1: you hunted the wind right, I would bet you ten

1825
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,200
Speaker 1: whole American dollars that there's no way you would not

1826
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:00,240
Speaker 1: see mature about come through there. I'll do it, all right,

1827
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:03,439
Speaker 1: and I'll pay up ten ten bucks three whole days, though,

1828
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,240
Speaker 1: three whole days I'm gonna have to fight my foamo

1829
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:09,160
Speaker 1: bad man. I realized that from last last ball man.

1830
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: Like it's especially especially when there's you know, you're looking

1831
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:19,839
Speaker 1: at an acre or two, there's three some other odd acres. Gosh,

1832
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: it just gets in your head to be like, down

1833
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,600
Speaker 1: the ridge has gotta be better off the ridge. I

1834
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,599
Speaker 1: should go check it out, see if there's more scrapes

1835
01:37:28,680 --> 01:37:31,799
Speaker 1: or more buck rubs down there. I really believe in it.

1836
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 1: It's gonna suck in. It's just and I don't know

1837
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,840
Speaker 1: what the right analogy is, but that sucks in a

1838
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 1: lot of you know, it's it's it's like all the

1839
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,160
Speaker 1: rivers right now in certain places are blown out because

1840
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:46,479
Speaker 1: they're sucking in muney water from all over the place.

1841
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:48,479
Speaker 1: All the money water is gonna get sucked into the

1842
01:37:48,479 --> 01:37:52,679
Speaker 1: helb this place to be. I like it. I'm gonna

1843
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 1: haunt it. I like it. I like it too. What else?

1844
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Now I know how to get in there? You know

1845
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: what else? Did you have questions about? Or we walked

1846
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:02,160
Speaker 1: some other place? Is like, what is there anything else

1847
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:04,519
Speaker 1: I didn't answer? Or I didn't we didn't get to

1848
01:38:04,600 --> 01:38:10,559
Speaker 1: explore yet? Or well there's two two questions. Um, let's

1849
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 1: cover this one first. Ah, I've got cameras on pretty

1850
01:38:15,200 --> 01:38:18,960
Speaker 1: much the major saddles its property. Now, part of that

1851
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: has to do with that. There we have other cameras

1852
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:25,200
Speaker 1: to just traditional shaw cameras, but my cell cameras set

1853
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 1: up on the ridges and saddles because that's where they

1854
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 1: get reception and I can reliably get the pictures. And

1855
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: you know, last year we kind of were like, we'll

1856
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,679
Speaker 1: put one here because it's like a known travel corridor,

1857
01:38:37,720 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: and we'll put one here because there's a you know,

1858
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: scrape that's been here for twenty years, and you know,

1859
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:45,960
Speaker 1: they kind of produced off and on and like obviously

1860
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: once Dear Heart started hitting scrapes. Yeah, all the ones

1861
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: that were pointing at scrapes, we're getting getting bucks um.

1862
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: But now we just kind of transitioned them all to saddles,

1863
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:03,200
Speaker 1: and it's just like it's nearly constant. Maybe not every

1864
01:39:03,240 --> 01:39:07,760
Speaker 1: saddle has a deer come through every day, but darn closed, right.

1865
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 1: So my question is it's like, Okay, you know they're

1866
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 1: using it, great, but what other like what other ways

1867
01:39:16,080 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 1: are there to like what other data can I extrapolate

1868
01:39:20,080 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: from what I'm seeing there in the pictures? Like do

1869
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,840
Speaker 1: I need to be like counting how many deer passed

1870
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,760
Speaker 1: through a saddle at what time? Would direction they're most

1871
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 1: commonly going? Because it's to me it seems like impossible

1872
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 1: that you would keep thousands of pictures and then scroll

1873
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: through one camera and be like, oh yeah, most of

1874
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: them are going left or right, which means east to

1875
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: west or vice versa. Like is it is it worthwhile

1876
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 1: to take the time every every couple of days to

1877
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:52,280
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, the spot we call the jungle has um.

1878
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: You know, in the last week, you know, fifteen dolls

1879
01:39:55,880 --> 01:40:00,240
Speaker 1: went left, five doors went right. So for the thing

1880
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,599
Speaker 1: I would say is that you don't need to pay

1881
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:08,480
Speaker 1: attention to anything like that that's happening from now until September.

1882
01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,639
Speaker 1: You know, after the first week of September, a lot changes,

1883
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: especially with bucks um velvet peels, bucks shift home ranges.

1884
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:21,679
Speaker 1: Maybe five out of ten bucks are gonna live somewhere

1885
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: different in the falling word. During the summer, you know,

1886
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot more competition between bucks they have

1887
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 1: to disperse. And then also around the same time, once

1888
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,920
Speaker 1: you get in September October, food sources change, cover changes

1889
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: as leaves fall down, all that kind of stuff. So

1890
01:40:35,800 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 1: there's this huge shift in behavior as you go from

1891
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:43,280
Speaker 1: November seven to October one. So I wouldn't worry yourself

1892
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: one bit about any details of what they're doing right now.

1893
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: I think it's it's nice confirmation to see, like, oh yeah,

1894
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:51,240
Speaker 1: a lot of deer hump over these saddles right now.

1895
01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:53,719
Speaker 1: That would tell me, Okay, that's something to pay attention

1896
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 1: to come October. But I'm not going to give one

1897
01:40:57,400 --> 01:41:00,160
Speaker 1: rip of more of my time to it until then.

1898
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,800
Speaker 1: What would be interesting is once you get into that

1899
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:06,439
Speaker 1: time period and you start seeing box use them, then

1900
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: that's when I might look at, Okay, which direction of

1901
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: these bucks coming from the morning, How are they because

1902
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 1: basically what you want to figure out is where are

1903
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:16,160
Speaker 1: they betting and feeding? Like what's their up and down

1904
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:18,519
Speaker 1: movement or whatever. And you might start to see that

1905
01:41:18,760 --> 01:41:20,920
Speaker 1: when you're looking at times of day these bucks are

1906
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 1: moving or you're gonna see like, oh, this buck comes

1907
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: through here more often than any other and he always

1908
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 1: comes from the right. So that tells me, well, he's

1909
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,799
Speaker 1: so where and that's happening, you know, in the evenings.

1910
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,840
Speaker 1: So it looks like it's probably heading down to the

1911
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: food to the south. It's coming from the right, so

1912
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: what does that mean, Well, it's betting most likely somewhere

1913
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:40,679
Speaker 1: over there to the right. And then you can start

1914
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: figuring those kinds of things out. That's if you're gonna

1915
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 1: hunt on like a betting defeating type situation for you,

1916
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: you're not, you're hunting, you know, one week in November,

1917
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:55,880
Speaker 1: and in that case, the like the SADDLINEFO does help

1918
01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: you and just like knowing like, hey, this is the

1919
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 1: path of least resistance a lot of dear travel. But

1920
01:42:00,400 --> 01:42:02,639
Speaker 1: once you move into that rut time frame, that's when

1921
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm really zooming in on that data. So again that's

1922
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, one of these places might really be lit up.

1923
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:14,799
Speaker 1: You're gonna see that. Oh wow, this all of a sudden,

1924
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: this saddle or this hub, this convergence of trails is

1925
01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:22,400
Speaker 1: where all these bucks are moving now over the last

1926
01:42:22,479 --> 01:42:25,920
Speaker 1: two days, last three days, man midday cruiser, midday cruiser,

1927
01:42:26,040 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: late morning cruiser, Zoop. Here's your rut travel quarter. Like

1928
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:32,240
Speaker 1: there's something going on. They want to be here. They're

1929
01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: passing back and forth. Check Adoe betting area. All of

1930
01:42:34,360 --> 01:42:37,040
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna understand what are these rut funnels

1931
01:42:37,240 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 1: pinch points. So are you saying that makes me think

1932
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: that my saddle picks for the fact that I've picked

1933
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,960
Speaker 1: to set up in saddles with my trail cams, it's

1934
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:50,160
Speaker 1: a good thing. Yeah, I'm not saying it's I'm definitely

1935
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: not saying it's not. Is there a from what you've

1936
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: seen just walking around the last day? Are there other

1937
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,840
Speaker 1: places where you're like, man, like you're gonna gain some

1938
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 1: good information if you put a camera here, Like what

1939
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,120
Speaker 1: else can I be looking for in this in this

1940
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: hill country? For like where to place the camera other

1941
01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 1: than known? Because again, there's like there's trails, there's kind

1942
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:16,640
Speaker 1: of trails everywhere, and there's ridge top trails, you know,

1943
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 1: but the saddles seem to be like everybody likes to

1944
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,760
Speaker 1: hit the saddle, So not knowing, right, having no other

1945
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 1: personal experience other than having walked it for a day

1946
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:30,040
Speaker 1: and looked at maps, I would be looking for the

1947
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:32,080
Speaker 1: same thing. When I'm thinking about where I want to

1948
01:43:32,120 --> 01:43:35,320
Speaker 1: focus my time hunting, it's where do multiple lines of

1949
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 1: movement converge. So it would be like the hub we

1950
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:41,280
Speaker 1: just described that whole thing like that would be I

1951
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: want to have some cameras in that zone because I know,

1952
01:43:43,840 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: I know this is a place that's sucking in a

1953
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 1: lot of movement across criss cross and all the place.

1954
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: I want something there. I want another thing like for example,

1955
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,479
Speaker 1: in the Amphitheater, but we haven't talked about yet, but

1956
01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: that's an area where like five different points all dropped

1957
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:00,240
Speaker 1: down from different ridges and they all converge in one zone.

1958
01:44:00,280 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 1: Now it's a kind of a bigger zone. But it's

1959
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:04,400
Speaker 1: like the reverse turkey foot if you took like a

1960
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: turkey foot. In this case, it's more than turkey foot.

1961
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:09,400
Speaker 1: It's like a a bear paw or I don't know.

1962
01:44:09,400 --> 01:44:11,680
Speaker 1: Take your fingers and flip them upside down and then

1963
01:44:11,720 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 1: they all curl in and drop into the same little bottom.

1964
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,719
Speaker 1: You've got all these points, and where does it drop

1965
01:44:16,720 --> 01:44:19,120
Speaker 1: out to. It comes from these big betting ridges and

1966
01:44:19,160 --> 01:44:21,639
Speaker 1: it drops down into the one big agg field around.

1967
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,719
Speaker 1: So there's no doubt there's a lot of traffic sucking

1968
01:44:24,760 --> 01:44:27,000
Speaker 1: down that into the evenings and sucking back up in

1969
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,880
Speaker 1: the mornings. So that would be a place like I

1970
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 1: know the zone, I don't know the spot within the spot.

1971
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 1: So that's somewhere I want to put a handful of

1972
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:37,200
Speaker 1: cameras to help you determine where's the spot within this zone.

1973
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: That's absolutely something I would try to do. Um there's

1974
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: another area that's like the Oak Flat that has this

1975
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: converging river hub type effect you call the jungle. That's

1976
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,360
Speaker 1: another spot I think would be worth trying to. Like

1977
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:54,599
Speaker 1: you've got just so folks know at home, we called

1978
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: the jungle because not quite where the three ridges converge,

1979
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:01,880
Speaker 1: but very near there, down one of the ridges, there's

1980
01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: a spot where it just got overgrown with those giants.

1981
01:45:05,640 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't even know what that vine is, Like, what

1982
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 1: is the actual plant name of those big thick brown

1983
01:45:11,560 --> 01:45:14,599
Speaker 1: vines that's the big grape vines. Yeah, they're just grape vines,

1984
01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:18,200
Speaker 1: because it's what I'm thinking you're talking about, you know,

1985
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:23,519
Speaker 1: inch and a half diameter, but just like you know,

1986
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: a couple of downfalls, a couple of snags, and just

1987
01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 1: a pile of vines, and you're walking down a ridge

1988
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,680
Speaker 1: on a trail that's just like you can you know,

1989
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: whistling Dixie, and all of a sudden you come to

1990
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 1: the jungle and you've got to like divert pick your poison,

1991
01:45:37,840 --> 01:45:40,519
Speaker 1: like go right and drop off the ridge through like

1992
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:44,360
Speaker 1: a raspberry, you know forest, or go left and hop

1993
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of logs and go through some grape vines.

1994
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: It's just I just want to explain why we call

1995
01:45:49,280 --> 01:45:52,200
Speaker 1: it the jungle, and we haven't. I haven't seen it yet,

1996
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:54,080
Speaker 1: but I love what you're describing to me because you're

1997
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 1: telling me that there's this like jungle bedding cover right

1998
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,320
Speaker 1: next to one of these major lubs of multiple three

1999
01:46:01,479 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 1: plus ridges all coming together right next to it. Sounds

2000
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:08,080
Speaker 1: like a dynamite betting are that screams to me, pay attention.

2001
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,679
Speaker 1: And so that would be another zone where I would

2002
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: and maybe those saddles adjacent that might be the spot

2003
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 1: within that spot, you know, so that you might already

2004
01:46:17,920 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: be in some of those locations, um, but from a

2005
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 1: outsider's point of view, I'm looking at those points and saying,

2006
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,080
Speaker 1: here's the starting point, here's the zone, and then give

2007
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:33,040
Speaker 1: me cameras around it too. Then hyper focus and after

2008
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:35,719
Speaker 1: we've learned something from those, that would be the next

2009
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:37,920
Speaker 1: thing I would think about. So covering those not just

2010
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:41,479
Speaker 1: with one saddle camera, but give me one on the

2011
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 1: north point, in the south point, at the east. See

2012
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: you start to get a better idea because, like we're

2013
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: saying the other day, you can put a camera here,

2014
01:46:48,479 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: and if you start making a ton of assumptions off

2015
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 1: one camera that's covering acres or something and said, well,

2016
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: he never passed over here, but he cast here. You know,

2017
01:46:57,800 --> 01:47:00,240
Speaker 1: you don't know much about what happens outside of thirty

2018
01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:03,200
Speaker 1: yard zone, right. They could travel ten yards behind your

2019
01:47:03,200 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 1: camera and you would never know it. So if there's

2020
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,559
Speaker 1: a spot that seems that good, I would if you

2021
01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: have the cameras to do it, which you know we're

2022
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,000
Speaker 1: not always going to have that, But if you happen

2023
01:47:13,080 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: to have three cameras or four cameras that you can

2024
01:47:15,160 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: focus on the zone, I'd almost rather really get to

2025
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 1: know his zone and how they use it. If you

2026
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:23,880
Speaker 1: have confidence in the zone, really figure that place out

2027
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,360
Speaker 1: this year and then maybe next year, then you really

2028
01:47:26,400 --> 01:47:30,280
Speaker 1: figure out how to use the next piece. Um. That's

2029
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,760
Speaker 1: one way to approach a camera strategy that I think

2030
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:35,000
Speaker 1: has long term value. If it's a spot you're gonna

2031
01:47:35,040 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 1: keep punning any other any of the things. I mean,

2032
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:45,479
Speaker 1: we talked about my horrible flight, we talked about some

2033
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:48,559
Speaker 1: of the scouting takeaways we've had. We've talked about, you know,

2034
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:52,360
Speaker 1: fine tuning one little heidy hole, habitat improvement for your dad.

2035
01:47:52,640 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I think that the a good way to h to

2036
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,400
Speaker 1: close her out is to talk about the like the

2037
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:06,799
Speaker 1: long term yeah, for action and habitat goals, improvement goals.

2038
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 1: I want. I want to get well both. I want

2039
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: to get Aldo Leopold on this joint, you know, on

2040
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 1: the forty that at least you know I'm kin too. Yeah.

2041
01:48:19,120 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 1: Uh so what are you asking? Like smoth was what

2042
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,479
Speaker 1: I would want to do. I know that they're in

2043
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,160
Speaker 1: a um. They're in like I think it's called the

2044
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:36,639
Speaker 1: Wisconsin UM the Managed Forest Law, Yeah, which is basically

2045
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:39,120
Speaker 1: like you enter into it and they you know, the

2046
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:41,400
Speaker 1: state basically helps you manage forests and you get a

2047
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,519
Speaker 1: tax break for it. Right, I know that in the

2048
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: next five years there's some certain amount of wood that

2049
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 1: has to be cut out of there, So like would

2050
01:48:51,400 --> 01:48:56,679
Speaker 1: you have ideas of like where you know that cutting

2051
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,760
Speaker 1: could happen, how would you cut it other places that

2052
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:05,800
Speaker 1: you never caught um and just I don't know, Like, yeah,

2053
01:49:05,800 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: when I'm up here for my like, is there a

2054
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:10,759
Speaker 1: project that I can start on, you know, next spring

2055
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 1: if I make it back this summer, I've got a

2056
01:49:13,160 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 1: couple of days like what's Yeah, what's the project That

2057
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: might take five years, but they can make a big difference.

2058
01:49:19,960 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 1: So I think there's a few things. Like the first

2059
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 1: things that came to mind to me would be better

2060
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:30,559
Speaker 1: defining the best betting and the best little transition food.

2061
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,440
Speaker 1: So it would be making taj mahals on those points,

2062
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 1: so hinge cutting and adding the cover on those knobs

2063
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: and points where they want to bed if there's some cover,

2064
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,439
Speaker 1: and so that's an easy thing that is going to

2065
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:48,639
Speaker 1: just make this a better hangout for bucks and does

2066
01:49:49,040 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 1: all year, and that's going to help you in ways

2067
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:54,160
Speaker 1: during the run to So that first point we talked

2068
01:49:54,160 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 1: about absolutely should have some cutting on it. Thicking that up.

2069
01:49:57,400 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: You could even make the other big one better too.

2070
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: In certain place to thicking that up, you're gonna add

2071
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 1: some dough betting farther up the knobs off the ridge.

2072
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:08,200
Speaker 1: So that would be one thing I would do. Um,

2073
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,320
Speaker 1: And then I do think more of what we started today,

2074
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:13,840
Speaker 1: like make another one of those, maybe make a third

2075
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: one of those. Um, the little food plots, a little

2076
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: hidy hole food plot, because then all of a sudden,

2077
01:50:18,960 --> 01:50:22,200
Speaker 1: steven have one. You could also create a line of them,

2078
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,760
Speaker 1: and so you're creating lines of movement. This is a

2079
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: concept that my friend Jeff Sturgions is always talking about,

2080
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 1: like trying to define in some kind of way. It's

2081
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:35,640
Speaker 1: always unpredictable, but you can encourage a slightly more predictable

2082
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,120
Speaker 1: line of movement, and sometimes you can create criss crosses

2083
01:50:39,160 --> 01:50:42,479
Speaker 1: of defined movement. It's it's replicating what we already have

2084
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,240
Speaker 1: up on those ridges, right, there's a certain sense of

2085
01:50:45,240 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 1: a defined movement. We know they're gonna go a little

2086
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 1: bit like this, a little bit like this, a little

2087
01:50:49,120 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: bit this. We found a place like that down on

2088
01:50:52,040 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: the forty that doesn't have that, So let's do something

2089
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 1: to create some of those. So we can create that

2090
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,599
Speaker 1: with a line of these plots that we know bucks

2091
01:51:00,600 --> 01:51:02,800
Speaker 1: will then want to check this one to this one

2092
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,519
Speaker 1: to this one and then hit the big fields. Or

2093
01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,240
Speaker 1: let's define where the best betting is, so we know

2094
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:11,040
Speaker 1: they're probably betting all over these ridges or knobs. Let's

2095
01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:13,560
Speaker 1: go ahead and put two taj mahals that all of

2096
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,439
Speaker 1: a sudden we know by far those are the two best. Now,

2097
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:18,920
Speaker 1: if there's a big buck out here, he's going to

2098
01:51:19,000 --> 01:51:22,800
Speaker 1: claim that most likely not every night, not every single day,

2099
01:51:22,840 --> 01:51:26,280
Speaker 1: but you all of a sudden have a better chance

2100
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,320
Speaker 1: he's gonna be there than you did historically, and that

2101
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: can make a big difference on future hunts. So those

2102
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 1: would be two things that it would be relatively easy

2103
01:51:33,320 --> 01:51:36,400
Speaker 1: to do UM and that I think would make a

2104
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:40,719
Speaker 1: noticeable hunting impact. You know, the bigger stuff like where

2105
01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,599
Speaker 1: should you do substantial cutting? I have to think about

2106
01:51:43,640 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 1: that a little bit more because that's something that I

2107
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:48,679
Speaker 1: think you want to be really strategic about UM because

2108
01:51:48,720 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 1: because I mean, what I see from what we've seen

2109
01:51:52,200 --> 01:51:56,559
Speaker 1: historically is like those cuts immediately turned into dough betting.

2110
01:51:57,360 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: It could be awesome, and there's probably lots of eat

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01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,280
Speaker 1: in there too, right, I mean these has got to

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01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:04,960
Speaker 1: be great. So clear cuts are probably the best stuff

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01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,439
Speaker 1: you've got in a lot of ways in this big

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01:52:07,520 --> 01:52:11,160
Speaker 1: timber country, for sure, for food and betting. What you

2115
01:52:11,200 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 1: want to make sure you do when you do anything,

2116
01:52:13,320 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a plot or betting improvement or in this case,

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01:52:16,120 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: like a big cut, is just think about how that impacts,

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01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,880
Speaker 1: Like what's the trickle down effect? Like everything, every piece

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01:52:22,880 --> 01:52:25,160
Speaker 1: of a domino, it's going to hit another. So I

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01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: always want to make sure if you're making this big

2121
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:30,519
Speaker 1: cut somewhere, is that going to impact how you get

2122
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:32,720
Speaker 1: in and out to hunt these other places? Is this

2123
01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:35,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden going to create a deer hotspot

2124
01:52:35,080 --> 01:52:37,720
Speaker 1: that there's no way you can get around? Right? I

2125
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:42,560
Speaker 1: want to avoid the attract and repel conundrum, which is

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01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,920
Speaker 1: where you make some kind of improvement that attracts dear

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01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:47,720
Speaker 1: but you don't have any way to get past it

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01:52:47,760 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 1: without them spooking and and a big cut like this

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01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:55,479
Speaker 1: could certainly do that if you if you position it right.

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01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I mean as I'm as we're saying this, and I'm

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01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: just thinking about it like the far like a lot

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01:52:59,280 --> 01:53:01,000
Speaker 1: of your acts as has to come from the east,

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01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:04,880
Speaker 1: and it has to come from the south probably if

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01:53:04,880 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 1: you don't want to have to walk those big ridges

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01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 1: and bumped it, which we probably wouldn't want to do

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01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 1: because that's where are soom right yep. So like my

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01:53:12,920 --> 01:53:18,000
Speaker 1: first thought is improve, improve that ridge in the bedding

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01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,720
Speaker 1: in the northwest corner of the north and northwest, which

2139
01:53:20,760 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 1: is the hardest stuff for you to get to and

2140
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: you never you know, it's the hardest ever need to

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01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: go through. Make that better bedding with some cuts. That

2142
01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: probably is what makes the most sense. It's low risk

2143
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 1: from an access standpoint, high upside from an improved betting,

2144
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,120
Speaker 1: and that probably just sweetens the whole up and down

2145
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:42,200
Speaker 1: movement from bedding down to your little honeyhole food plots

2146
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: and and and yeah, because this this just basically it's

2147
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: sweetens where they want to be and expands where they

2148
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:52,519
Speaker 1: want to be while maintaining the general line of movement

2149
01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,440
Speaker 1: which is from those ridge bid beds to your transitioning

2150
01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 1: little food plot out to the big agg to the south.

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01:53:58,720 --> 01:54:00,720
Speaker 1: I think that's how a roach it. And I know

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01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 1: you hate that. There's those white pines that are kind

2153
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 1: of a dead zone that comprise the bottom third of

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01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: the farm almost, but they give you a nice little

2155
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:12,640
Speaker 1: buffer of free wind space. Like deer do travel through them,

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01:54:12,640 --> 01:54:14,640
Speaker 1: but they don't congregate there, they don't hang out there

2157
01:54:14,680 --> 01:54:16,920
Speaker 1: for a long period time. It's a lot lower risk

2158
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: than if that was betting. You know, if you did

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01:54:19,120 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 1: a cut through that and then all of a sudden

2160
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:22,080
Speaker 1: became in the spot where this deer hanging out all

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01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 1: the time, you're s ol and a lot of those

2162
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:28,519
Speaker 1: westerly winds northwest and all that kind of stuff. So

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01:54:29,640 --> 01:54:31,120
Speaker 1: you know, this kind of all stream of thought. I'm

2164
01:54:31,120 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: thinking about this as we go. But but that would

2165
01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,240
Speaker 1: be like a big project, and that would be a

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01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:40,840
Speaker 1: cool impactful thing. Looking that north half and northwest half

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01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 1: of the forty for something like that, I think would

2168
01:54:43,200 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 1: make a lot of sense. Um Yeah, because you would

2169
01:54:46,760 --> 01:54:49,320
Speaker 1: just be kind of you'd be like connecting new betting

2170
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 1: to existing betting. Yep, yep. You're you're just you're looking

2171
01:54:53,360 --> 01:54:55,040
Speaker 1: at the general areas where they want to be in.

2172
01:54:55,080 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: You're expanding or or polishing what nature already has there,

2173
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:04,680
Speaker 1: and you're you're putting the frosting on top um. And

2174
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,840
Speaker 1: if that big, that big old buck that was haunting

2175
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 1: a dreams last year. If he's still in the area,

2176
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: it's going to be a spot all of a sudden,

2177
01:55:11,480 --> 01:55:15,720
Speaker 1: he's absolutely gonna have to be checking out. Um, take

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01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,160
Speaker 1: these places from being you know, maybe I'll swing by

2179
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:21,360
Speaker 1: and grab a Starbucks coffee to all of a sudden,

2180
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's the best coffee in New York City.

2181
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I have to go there. That kind of thing, And um,

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01:55:28,040 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of what you try to do when you're

2183
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: trying to manage and fix up and improve a small property.

2184
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:35,080
Speaker 1: It's anytime you can do something like that, and you

2185
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:38,040
Speaker 1: can't change the world. You don't have five thousand acres

2186
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:41,120
Speaker 1: or acres like some people do that manage, you know,

2187
01:55:41,240 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: properties and deer. But if you can make these little

2188
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 1: sweet spots really sweet, you can have a disproportionate impact.

2189
01:55:49,240 --> 01:55:52,200
Speaker 1: And then just don't overpressure. If you keep them feeling

2190
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:54,200
Speaker 1: safe and you give them these incentives to spend a

2191
01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:55,880
Speaker 1: little more time there, to go out of their way

2192
01:55:55,960 --> 01:55:59,040
Speaker 1: to to add that to their route, you can really

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01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 1: do more with a small place. And people realize that's

2194
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:07,040
Speaker 1: my take. I like it, man. I like that You're

2195
01:56:07,560 --> 01:56:11,840
Speaker 1: you're you're feeling optimistic about her, and I'm not saying ours.

2196
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:16,960
Speaker 1: It's my dad's and his buddy's new forty. But you've got,

2197
01:56:17,120 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean lots of potential. Obviously you've there's a good

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01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,800
Speaker 1: deer here. There are deer here. I think with a

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01:56:22,840 --> 01:56:27,280
Speaker 1: little TLC, with a little like adjusting some ways that

2200
01:56:27,320 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 1: we do things, make some tweaks, put the frosting here.

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01:56:31,080 --> 01:56:34,000
Speaker 1: It's there's no reason why you shouldn't have some great

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01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:38,360
Speaker 1: hunting here. So I'm I'm excited to see. I'm just

2203
01:56:38,400 --> 01:56:40,200
Speaker 1: really excited to see how things pan out this fall.

2204
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna send me updates the first day, second day,

2205
01:56:44,160 --> 01:56:46,360
Speaker 1: third day, fourth days, like day, seventh day, every day, please,

2206
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:49,960
Speaker 1: I will for sure, because I'll be hunting up top

2207
01:56:50,200 --> 01:56:52,840
Speaker 1: on the oak flat. We'll have service, which is it?

2208
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:56,320
Speaker 1: Which is a real pro and con. That's true. It's nice,

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01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:59,200
Speaker 1: it's check the weather, it's nice. It's in market text.

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01:56:59,320 --> 01:57:01,960
Speaker 1: But well, you can spend too much time looking at

2211
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:05,840
Speaker 1: the phone, not hunting. But even though I've yet to

2212
01:57:06,120 --> 01:57:09,280
Speaker 1: roost turkey in the evening on this trip, and I've

2213
01:57:09,320 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: been after it for seven or eight days here, ah,

2214
01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:15,280
Speaker 1: it's getting to be that time. I think, yeah, we

2215
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,480
Speaker 1: better do it. We have a couple of hours laughing,

2216
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: try to kill one more gabbler. This uh, the spring

2217
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:25,800
Speaker 1: of one set after you get the turkey blues at all,

2218
01:57:26,240 --> 01:57:28,800
Speaker 1: once the turkey season ends, I don't think I'm into

2219
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:31,600
Speaker 1: as much as you are. I don't like I really

2220
01:57:31,680 --> 01:57:34,240
Speaker 1: enjoy it, but it's not something I get the turkey

2221
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 1: blues about. I'm right into white tails once. Once like

2222
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:43,160
Speaker 1: the beans and corns start popping up, I get the yeah.

2223
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:47,280
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, I was like, Oh, that's

2224
01:57:47,280 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 1: when I get the real like white tail. He be

2225
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 1: geebs or maybe not hepe gps, but something is pumping,

2226
01:57:52,280 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 1: and uh, yeah, it's funny how that happened when you

2227
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,360
Speaker 1: showed up here. Like I was kind of like thinking

2228
01:57:57,520 --> 01:57:59,200
Speaker 1: like I was hunting turkeys, but I was kind of

2229
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 1: thinking of like the work we're going to do when

2230
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:04,520
Speaker 1: you got here. But I wasn't really like in the

2231
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: zone or like getting excited about it. But then as

2232
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,240
Speaker 1: soon as like what are we doing? When I looked

2233
01:58:10,240 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 1: back at you know, I was like, man, that's all

2234
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:13,120
Speaker 1: it takes us to walk through the woods. Oh, we're

2235
01:58:13,120 --> 01:58:15,080
Speaker 1: gonna look look at the buckbeds. We're gonna go to

2236
01:58:15,120 --> 01:58:17,160
Speaker 1: look at those points, and all of a sudden, we

2237
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:19,600
Speaker 1: just like switched into whitetail mode and it was just

2238
01:58:19,680 --> 01:58:21,920
Speaker 1: like I was on a different trip. I was like, yeah,

2239
01:58:21,960 --> 01:58:23,640
Speaker 1: you know what if we hear a gobble, just let

2240
01:58:23,640 --> 01:58:25,880
Speaker 1: it go and get back to him later. Like we're

2241
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: gonna we're starting to like we're starting to already tune

2242
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,360
Speaker 1: in for November. You know it's going to be here

2243
01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:35,560
Speaker 1: before you know it. Oh man, especially these days, Holy mackerel.

2244
01:58:35,640 --> 01:58:38,880
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The one thing I just really

2245
01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,520
Speaker 1: badly want is I want to lose that ten dollar bill.

2246
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 1: So win that ten bucks and then we can wrap

2247
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:48,480
Speaker 1: this thing up with a nice bow on November seventh

2248
01:58:48,600 --> 01:58:52,600
Speaker 1: or whatever day it ends up being. All right, Yeah,

2249
01:58:52,760 --> 01:58:54,560
Speaker 1: I know, I just had to pick a date range

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01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:59,879
Speaker 1: it's coming. Hey, while I got you, is there anything

2251
01:59:00,120 --> 01:59:02,960
Speaker 1: the folks listening to know about what Yanni the Latvian

2252
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,200
Speaker 1: Eagles got coming out these days? Oh? Yeah, when's this

2253
01:59:06,280 --> 01:59:09,680
Speaker 1: gonna air in like a week or two? Oh? Perfect, Well,

2254
01:59:10,240 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 1: it's rough, so that'll roughly be like first week in June.

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01:59:14,440 --> 01:59:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm guessing it's it's either last week in May or

2256
01:59:17,200 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 1: first week in June. There still should be some uh

2257
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:28,360
Speaker 1: yet to roll out. Meat Eater Haunts episodes. Um, the

2258
01:59:28,440 --> 01:59:31,120
Speaker 1: last one is gonna be my Dad and I hunting

2259
01:59:31,200 --> 01:59:34,600
Speaker 1: here last year. It's perfect, perfect you have if you

2260
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:36,480
Speaker 1: listen to this whole thing, you have to actually go

2261
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 1: see the thing in person. The video here are some

2262
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 1: of the things again that I talked about in the

2263
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:44,360
Speaker 1: last couple of hours. But you also, um, learn some

2264
01:59:44,440 --> 01:59:48,720
Speaker 1: new stuff about my my history here and meet some

2265
01:59:48,760 --> 01:59:52,040
Speaker 1: of the guys that it got me into hunting and

2266
01:59:52,200 --> 01:59:54,560
Speaker 1: taught me, you know, stuff about hunt in my early

2267
01:59:54,840 --> 01:59:59,320
Speaker 1: early days. Um, and uh, it's a it's a cool episode.

2268
01:59:59,800 --> 02:00:02,680
Speaker 1: I think he'll dig it. And then there's uh, there's

2269
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:07,879
Speaker 1: gonna be like a Montana pronghorn episode. There's a Montana

2270
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 1: elk episode, and then the ones that have already aired,

2271
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:13,200
Speaker 1: which you can go and check out right now if

2272
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:16,360
Speaker 1: you haven't yet. But there's a great Colorado archery elk

2273
02:00:16,440 --> 02:00:20,960
Speaker 1: hunt with Jason Phelps and um, I guess since it well, no,

2274
02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:23,120
Speaker 1: I won't ruin it in case you just like again

2275
02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:24,920
Speaker 1: we're living under rock and you haven't gone to go

2276
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:27,919
Speaker 1: see it, go check it out. There's some good calling action.

2277
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:31,600
Speaker 1: You can watch Jason just like work his magic, which,

2278
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:37,840
Speaker 1: like let me tell you it is there like I like,

2279
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:41,520
Speaker 1: I consider myself a decent caller. I can get it done,

2280
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:45,040
Speaker 1: but and I'm confident in it. But he has like

2281
02:00:45,120 --> 02:00:48,240
Speaker 1: the next level confidence where he's almost like like he

2282
02:00:48,280 --> 02:00:51,480
Speaker 1: can tell you. He's like, Mark, I'm gonna do this now,

2283
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:53,520
Speaker 1: and the bull is going to do this and you're

2284
02:00:53,520 --> 02:00:55,840
Speaker 1: like really, and he does it and then the bull

2285
02:00:55,880 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 1: doesn't like He's done it a lot more than I have,

2286
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:03,000
Speaker 1: right well, M So yeah, that that's great. You can

2287
02:01:03,040 --> 02:01:07,200
Speaker 1: always uh that's on the Metator YouTube channel. UM obviously

2288
02:01:07,240 --> 02:01:11,440
Speaker 1: tune into the Mediator podcast Stephen and Ella. I try

2289
02:01:11,480 --> 02:01:14,440
Speaker 1: to make it to as many of those as I can. UM,

2290
02:01:14,680 --> 02:01:18,400
Speaker 1: and then you can always follow along on my Instagram

2291
02:01:18,440 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 1: handle with his which is Joannice Underscore who tell us

2292
02:01:22,840 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: and UM nothing too exciting. They're just Johnny's general life,

2293
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:31,879
Speaker 1: which is a lot of hunting, a lot of fishing,

2294
02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 1: my dog, I'm cooking, ah when my kids are up

2295
02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:38,880
Speaker 1: to a little bit. So yeah, that kind of that

2296
02:01:38,960 --> 02:01:41,520
Speaker 1: about wraps wraps it up. That wraps it up. It's

2297
02:01:41,560 --> 02:01:44,440
Speaker 1: good stuff. And and thank you, thank you for welcoming

2298
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 1: me to this special place, like it's really man, it's

2299
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:48,800
Speaker 1: really cool to get to be a part of that

2300
02:01:48,880 --> 02:01:51,160
Speaker 1: and to see it and experience it, and and I

2301
02:01:51,160 --> 02:01:54,040
Speaker 1: know that's no small thing, so thank you. Yeah, well,

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02:01:54,120 --> 02:01:56,440
Speaker 1: I believe that my dad said as he was leaving

2303
02:01:56,480 --> 02:02:00,160
Speaker 1: today that maybe we'll do a hunt together. Sometimes he

2304
02:02:00,240 --> 02:02:03,080
Speaker 1: might have been thinking, like Alaskan caribou. You're like, well,

2305
02:02:03,160 --> 02:02:06,000
Speaker 1: you know this will work too, A good whitetail place

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02:02:06,040 --> 02:02:10,080
Speaker 1: about seventy yards from here. Yeah, that would be a

2307
02:02:10,120 --> 02:02:12,680
Speaker 1: cool thing someday too. All Right, And that's it for

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02:02:12,760 --> 02:02:15,920
Speaker 1: us today. Appreciate tune in, thanks for being a part

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02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,920
Speaker 1: of this community and listening to this story. And until

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Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to Hunt.