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Speaker 1: out in the world of the paranormal, uphology, crypto zoology,

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Speaker 1: and all of the above. How else are we going

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Speaker 1: to learn about these things? Unless we are sharing among

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Speaker 1: which is shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot com.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people spell the name wrong, so I'd

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Speaker 1: give them both uh and tell me and as much

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Speaker 1: detail as you'd like about what's happening. And you're always

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Speaker 1: of people really do tend to express themselves differently and

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Speaker 1: we just talked about it like we would talk about

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Speaker 1: And in fact, today this first segment, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: with Dr Michael Masters, who. Wow, his research and his

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Speaker 1: is the topic of time travel or whatever it is

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Speaker 1: How are you doing today. I'm doing really well. Thanks

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Speaker 1: But your presentation and the work that you've been doing

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Speaker 1: just kind of brings it forward for everybody to understand

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Speaker 1: the possibilities. And you mentioned time travel, that that these

431
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:19,640
Speaker 1: alien beings maybe from our future, so that brings into

432
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: question and the reality of time travel. How do you

433
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: explain that, Well, it's it's mostly from published research in

434
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 1: the field of physics. Um, we we don't really deal

435
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 1: with time and time travel too much as anthropologists. We

436
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,479
Speaker 1: we talk about different cultures and the way they perceive

437
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: time or or don't perceive time. There's a lot of

438
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: societies that have no word for a time, and their

439
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: their verb tenses don't reflect any sort of perception of

440
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: the future. Even if they do perceive it, they don't

441
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: speak about it. Um But really just I started out

442
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: in physics and astronomy as an undergraduate and thought I

443
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: would kind of take that route, and I'm glad it's

444
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: which because a lot of people are investigating backward time

445
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: travel in the physical sense, and some even in the

446
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: context of the UFO phenomenon, like checks are Foddy and

447
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 1: rich Hoffman, for instance, at the Scientific Coalition of UP Studies.

448
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: So coming at it from more of a biological anthropology

449
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: human evolution angle, I feel compliments the research that a

450
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: lot of these people are doing. How put Off as

451
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: well published a paper talking about the manipulation of the

452
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: space time metric in order to bend space time and

453
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: manipulate it in the vicinity of these craft which we

454
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: do also see in a number of reports of close

455
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: encounters where time moves at different speeds for people as

456
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,239
Speaker 1: they approach these machines. Um, So I mostly draw from

457
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: the physics community looking at the most conventional explanation of

458
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: time and how time travel may work. And what what

459
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: we see is most physicists understand time in the context

460
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: of block time, where from the very beginning of the

461
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 1: Big Bang to the end of the universe, all moments

462
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: exist as this massive four dimensional block of spacetime, so

463
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: you can move freely within it, and you're not creating

464
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: in time paradoxes per se. You're just doing the same

465
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: things you'd always done in the past in any sort

466
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: of effect, any change had already manifested itself before you

467
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: left to visit the past. So there isn't the consistency

468
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: paradoxes like the grandfather paradox or the boot bootstrap paradox,

469
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: or any of these other ones that are so often

470
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: referenced and bastardized to put up bluntly in many TV

471
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: shows and movies. But um they very well maybe just

472
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: be moving throughout this four dimensional block of space time.

473
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Speaker 1: And I think the disc shaped craft specifically, or the

474
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: machines themselves, I think they are time machines and possibly

475
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Speaker 1: the triangular craft or come from a more distant point

476
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: in the future where they've streamlined the process to some extent.

477
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: It's or to say, but um yeah, what's interesting is

478
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: that research into how we might achieve backward time travel

479
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: consistently focuses on the rotation of a massive or highly

480
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: energetic ring sphere or disk, which is what we see

481
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: in most of these UFOs. So if if this is

482
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Speaker 1: the form that allows us the function of achieving backward

483
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: time travel, we would expect to see that in association

484
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: with these visitors, if they are in fact from the future,

485
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's not one of those things that seems to

486
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: be consistent with this model. Fascinating. Have you, now, those

487
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: of us that are interested in these topics we've come

488
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: across the people who say they are time travelers? Have

489
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: you even slightly taken any of that seriously? When you've

490
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: heard these types of stories are looked into it, Well,

491
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: we people who claim that they themselves are time travelers?

492
00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: Is that what you mean? Are people have been told

493
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: by contact that. I guess all of it sort of

494
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: falls into the same it does sort of milieu. Um yeah,

495
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like we talked about a little bit ago.

496
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: You have to take all of this with a grain

497
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: of salt. I really do think that most contact these

498
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: experiencers are genuine, and when you have face to face

499
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: contact with them, you look in their eyes, you hear

500
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: their story. There's really no reason to die out them.

501
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: But with that said, there's always people that are going

502
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: to create a narrative for whatever reason. What I try

503
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: to focus on is the patterns and if we see

504
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over and all of these

505
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: different accounts, regardless of individual motives or whether they remember

506
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: things exactly or don't remember all the details, if we

507
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 1: see the same patterns that I think it's important to

508
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: take those into account. So I mostly try to focus

509
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: on that. I've done a couple of content analyzes of

510
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: reports from large data bases like the new Fork database,

511
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: the mouf On database, So so I think we can

512
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: get past some of those issues if we take into

513
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: account a large enough sample. Ray Hernandez, who was also

514
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: a speaker with us at the mcmaniman's UFO Festival, it

515
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: sort of takes that same approach where if we have

516
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: enough people we can sort of weed out some of

517
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: those outliers. Or identify outliers, but get an average experience

518
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: and and kind of talk about what most people experienced.

519
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, we certainly have to take into account those

520
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: ones who claim to have interacted with time travelers. Uh.

521
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: And if we do that, we have to take into

522
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: account the Betty Hill Star map too. We can't just

523
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: pick and choose what data we want to focus on,

524
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: but we have to look at all of it objectively

525
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: and try to come up with the most parstimonious explanation

526
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: for what's happening. Yeah. I definitely have heard a few

527
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: people that mentioned being taken on board a craft and

528
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: shown like the dynasas or age or futuristic things like

529
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: they totally went forward and backwards. And it's like, but yeah,

530
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine, um, this being the case, because

531
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not that common that I hear of on board

532
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: time travel. But um, yeah, it's it's just so complicated.

533
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 1: I have met many of people online and otherwise who

534
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: say they have personally time traveled, and uh, I don't

535
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: know how to process these claims. Um, But you know

536
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: I got one for you, Mike, And um, I can

537
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: tell you I have not brought this up ever on

538
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: any kind of program because it's so different for me.

539
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: And uh, but I know that I experienced a time

540
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: travel in the incident that I have no definition for.

541
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: I have nothing to pull from to uh, to relate

542
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: it to because it's just so wild. But UM totally went,

543
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, if something happened and then it's totally reversed

544
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: where it didn't happen. Um, And my skin felt tingly.

545
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: In fact, I wasn't sure I was. It was hard

546
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: to process time for a few days and to know

547
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: that I was really here in this time. It was

548
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: just the strangest thing. And this just happened in late

549
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: nineteen and I still I have no reference. Um, I

550
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: don't I don't know who to relate it to or

551
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, what how could does this have happened?

552
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: And and then to have met an incredible psychic out

553
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: of nowhere has a casual conversation with me and says, oh,

554
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: I see this happen to you. That's neat, And I said,

555
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: what how did you see that? You know? So it's

556
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: so I don't know. I mean, I can't help but

557
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: to think there's an intelligent design behind certain instances to

558
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: have something like that happened to a person, it's certainly possible.

559
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: Um And I think it's important to sort of draw

560
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: a distinction between physical time and the way we understand it,

561
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: and what we've sort of been talking about with regard

562
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,720
Speaker 1: to manipulating space, time, creating closed time like curves, visiting

563
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: the past via these machines that are capable of doing so,

564
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 1: versus are more cognitive perception of time, which is something

565
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: that I think exists in association with this physical form,

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00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: the bodies that we have, and the way our brain

567
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: interprets the passage of events, which, again in the context

568
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: of block time, if everything happens all at once, how

569
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Speaker 1: do you understand that? How do you move through it

570
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: as a biological entity. So it's almost like we've evolved

571
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: to have this understanding of time and the passage of events,

572
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: and and and there's something I like to call biorelativity

573
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 1: which is clearly observable too. If you look at a

574
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: barn swallow, or really any small bird in the way

575
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: they interact with their environment versus the way we do,

576
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: or a giant sloth or an elephant. We all seemingly

577
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: perceived time in different ways and react to our environment

578
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: in different ways. So yeah, it's possible that there can

579
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: be little little skips and all kinds of things that

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: could happen with regard to the way we perceive time.

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Speaker 1: Anybody's ever done acid or ayahuasca or psilocybin can speak

582
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: to that very very keenly, because it really does allow

583
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: you to perceive the passage of time in very different ways.

584
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, what you experienced them a lot of

585
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: other people also have experienced similar to that could be

586
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: an aspect of our our our conscious uh notion of

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00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: time and the way we experienced time um outside of

588
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: the physical aspects of time travel like we've been talking

589
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: about previously. Wow, that's amazing, you know. I hear of

590
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: people um taking these various uh um drugs like aohuasca

591
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 1: and whatnot, and and the healing elements of it, taking

592
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: themselves out of their current time and situation and analyzing

593
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: things differently. So it may be something that was a

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00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 1: part of our existence that it works so well for

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00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: so many people. Like I can't help but to think

596
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: if you have the receptors in your brain for these things,

597
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: that it was there, it's there for a reason, you know,

598
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: is it is it supposed to be utilized, you know. Yeah,

599
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: And and there's been a lot of evidence over many decades.

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00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,240
Speaker 1: Really it's just now starting to get me in stream

601
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: scientific attention, but a lot of research into the benefits

602
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: of psilocybin as a drug to treat schizophrenia, anxiety, depression,

603
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: and a number of other disorders. And you have to

604
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: wonder if if a part of that is allowing people

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00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 1: this connection to a deeper reality, a more collective consciousness

606
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: and time I think would certainly be an aspect of that.

607
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: People who have near death experiences claim to be able

608
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: to move throughout really time and space freely. It's almost

609
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 1: like this physical form binds us to this particular shared

610
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: moment of now the present. But once we escape that

611
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,479
Speaker 1: and get a sense of of what else is out there,

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00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: whether through drugs or almost dyeing or anything else that list,

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00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 1: it's those same experiences, I think it. It really can

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00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: be life changing for a lot of people. Yeah, and

615
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: then draws the question of our those who are considered

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00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: quote schizophrenic, actually schizophrenic or are they just able to

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00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: see better than the next But yeah, they're tapped in more, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So we've got to get to our next break you guys.

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. And I have

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Speaker 1: Michael Masters and uh, really stimulating conversation. I mean, unique perspective.

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Speaker 1: And I have a question that kind of it kind

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Speaker 1: of ar wels with what you're speaking on. And I

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Speaker 1: wonder if you've looked into the topic of residual hauntings

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Speaker 1: talk about time travel impressions, you know, what do you

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Speaker 1: think about that. We're like people have witnessing battles going

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Speaker 1: on that are centuries old, or walking through a town

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Speaker 1: that they go to walk back through it doesn't exist,

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Speaker 1: it was an ancient city, or hotels that are really

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Speaker 1: old inside and then they leave and come back and

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Speaker 1: it's modern. How do you just how do you explain

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00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: this kind of thing? Yeah, it's that's an interesting thing

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Speaker 1: that again, does happen enough into enough people that I

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Speaker 1: think it's worthy of consideration. If it's just a couple

643
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Speaker 1: of people's anecdotes or you know, they took way too

644
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Speaker 1: much acid one day, uh, it's easier to write those off.

645
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: But it is something that seems to happen. It's funny

646
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: you ask, because I just did an interview for a

647
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: TV show about this very thing a few weeks ago,

648
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: maybe a month ago or so. Um, and and yeah,

649
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: it was something that it was specifically about, Um, this

650
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: one street and I think Liverpool maybe, where one individual

651
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: claims to have walked out of the store and everything

652
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: jumped back like a hundred and ten years or something,

653
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: and then went into get his wife from that store

654
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: and everything was back to normal. And um, yeah, I

655
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: don't know, it happens. Uh. It's something that I was

656
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: skeptical about for a long time and still until I

657
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 1: started to come across more and more of these. And uh,

658
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: I was on Whitley Streeber show a year or two

659
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 1: ago and he described this exact same thing happening to him,

660
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: and I trust him and his accounts. I think he's

661
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: done a lot for this field, and especially as someone

662
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: who's really interested in time and space and understanding the

663
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: spirit world. So um, I started take it more seriously

664
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: and look at other accounts and and to be honest,

665
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't have an explanation for it, but I do

666
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: think based on what we're talking about earlier, with regard

667
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: to physical time versus more cognitive time, it would tend

668
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: to be an aspect of the ladder, in my opinion,

669
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: where where we are able to see not necessarily with

670
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: our eyes in that physical sense, but but some something

671
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: else there, some aspect of the spirit world that isn't

672
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: easily encapsulated into a physical reality. Um. So I don't

673
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 1: know it. It's very mysterious to me as well. I

674
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: don't really have an answer. I don't I guess maybe

675
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 1: nobody does. But it's a very interesting thing that seemingly

676
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: happens to a fair number of people. Yeah, you know,

677
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: I can't help but to wonder if the smashing of

678
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: atoms near cern, if they have more of these types

679
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: of things going on versus other locations. You know. Yeah,

680
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 1: it's interesting, Yeah, and who knows, I mean, be there's

681
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: something about that street in Liverpool where there's some electro

682
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: magnetic fluctuation or it's it gets more gravity waves or

683
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: who knows, Yes, certain could be an aspect of it.

684
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it'd be interesting to look into those. Yeah,

685
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: I can't help but to speculate that. You know, we're

686
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: just out on the fringes of all of this, you know,

687
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: doing our own little independent studies. I am certain that

688
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,239
Speaker 1: our governments have put a lot of money towards these

689
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: same questions and speculations, because they sure do pay attention,

690
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: and they sure do harass people who report seeing UFOs

691
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: too much or whatever it may be. So I think

692
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: it'd be kind of neat to um, you know, try

693
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: to afoy you something and uh, if you only knew

694
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: what to ask for, to say, hey, you're looking at

695
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: this subject, because I am you might get recruited before

696
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: you know what to work for them though, if you

697
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 1: go too deep. Yeah, I'm happy not doing that at

698
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the moment. But um, yeah, I don't know. It's it's

699
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting too to see once we get to

700
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: a point where we can no more. Because obviously, throughout

701
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: the ages throughout even the last hundred years. As time

702
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: goes on, we get more information about what was happening

703
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: in the past. So if they're looking into these things now,

704
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: it may be something that's not secret anymore in fifty

705
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: or seventy five years. So it would be cool too

706
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: to see what what's happening now from a future perspective, especially,

707
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: But I don't I don't know if I'm gonna be

708
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 1: around that long unfortunately, but uh, some someday we'll know.

709
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if they're doing this stuff, someday will know. Yeah,

710
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, I wonder who's the one who decides that, oh,

711
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: we should keep the secret? If you know, it's the filter,

712
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: the filter that's on top of these things are like,

713
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: why limit me in my knowledge place? You know, is

714
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: this really going to cause anybody arm to know this?

715
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think we should be living in the

716
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: times of Star Trek already, where we just venture and

717
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: you know, food pops up out of a miracle box

718
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: and we don't have to work like this. We could

719
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: really explore. But I really think part of our society

720
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: are way advanced and they keep it to themselves. They

721
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: hoard the technology and the knowledge and they just look

722
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 1: at it the rest of us like, you know, being

723
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: absolutely uh backwards because they're not allowing us to have

724
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 1: the same privileges. Yeah, but at the same time, I mean,

725
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: people are still arguing about whether the Earth's flat or not,

726
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: So it doesn't It doesn't seem like we could all

727
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: just instantly wrap our heads around things like fluctuations and

728
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: the space time continuum and backward time travel or and

729
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: a lot of it too is obviously developed for the

730
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 1: military industrial complex, So there's innate need to have secrecy

731
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: associated with the development of technologies that you don't also

732
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: want your enemies to have, so to some extent I

733
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: understand it, um, but but yeah, I mean, where would

734
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 1: we be right now if they said this crashed and roswell,

735
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: let's all figure it out together and see if we

736
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 1: can learn from this thing and develop new technologies and

737
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: new understanding of the world and of space and time.

738
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: Where would we be right now? Maybe we'd have jetson's

739
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: flying cars and teleportation who knows books, Yeah, we don't.

740
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: We don't yet, and seemingly we're not moving in that

741
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: direction at any high rate of speed. Oh, they definitely

742
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: have that technology to have flying cars, because I know

743
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: a scientist that created that in all the governments rejected

744
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: his uh invention. So yeah, they don't want these things

745
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: out there, and they want it to themselves. They want

746
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: to keep the same model of everybody being depended on

747
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: the certain powers that be and and it's kind of disgusting.

748
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: But um, what bothers me most is that people that

749
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: are witnessing things and knowing things and they're being beat down,

750
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: they're being isolated and become depressed and uh, and they

751
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: have these encounters with these various beings and or witnessed

752
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: certain things, and they're just made to be pointed at

753
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: and laughed at. And I just think we should do better.

754
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: And I hope research like yours is going to help

755
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 1: us get to a clearer and better understanding. Um. Yeah,

756
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: and I think we are doing better. I've already seen

757
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: a change, um, not just because of scientists, but primarily

758
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: because of journalists Leslie Keene, George Knap, Ralph Blumenthal. They

759
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: they they've been doing things to draw more attention to

760
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: the reality of this and to show how conventional it

761
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: is and how much it happens and on such a

762
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: broad scale that it becomes harder to ignore. And then

763
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: you know, even Tom DeLong And and his whole crew

764
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: trying to get those videos legitimized, which happened last year

765
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,959
Speaker 1: and the Pentagon confirmed the reality of the co Fest,

766
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: Skimble and Flair videos. That that was a huge step forward.

767
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: So but but I agree, it's more scientists begin to

768
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: take this seriously and investigate it in different ways. Hopefully

769
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: we can move toward removing that stigma for contact ease

770
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: and who should also be a part of this conversation.

771
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: We should be taking seriously what what people say happened

772
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: to them and factoring that in and is is eyewitness

773
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: accounts sort of evidence and the court of law sort

774
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: of sense, not the scientific sense, but taking into account

775
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: what people are saying and considering that in the context

776
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: of of everything else we can get our hands on

777
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: and and try to understand. And then there's a lot

778
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: of distrust out there though too, because there's a last

779
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 1: speculation about certain people not always being as independent as

780
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: they appear, that they're being paid by uh different covert

781
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: government forces and they're like feeding the narrative you say

782
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: this at this pace for this amount of money, and

783
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: this is your contract, and don't steer off of the past,

784
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: so it's hard to trust always and and I've I've

785
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: seen and known some of these folks that have steered

786
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: the narrative and it's it's so so many things to

787
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: question out there. But you know, I want you to

788
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: get the chance to share your the name of your

789
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: book and where people can reach out to you and uh,

790
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, whatever other events that you've got going on. Well,

791
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: the book that I published in twenty nine and is

792
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: called Identified Flying Objects Multidisciplinary Scientific Approach to the UFO Phenomenon,

793
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: and um, yeah, there's things happening. I guess I don't

794
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: really know what to plug right now. That kind of

795
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: cut me off guard there. But there's a new book

796
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I guess I did mention that briefly called The Extra

797
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 1: Tempastreal Model that takes kind of a deeper dive into

798
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,919
Speaker 1: this question and focuses more on contact experiences and abductions

799
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: and other closing counters which should be out hopefully in

800
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: early um some possible TV projects and the works and

801
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: things like that. But I try to keep people updated

802
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: on my website, which is just Michael p Masters dot

803
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: com and sort of the hub where I try to

804
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, keep up to date with things that are happening.

805
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: Love it well, you know, I want to thank you

806
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: so much for coming on the show today. This was

807
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: absolutely fabulous to have this conversation with you. Yeah, there's

808
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Thanks for having me on. Wow,

809
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: we have come to the bottom of another fabulous program

810
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: that really really gets the mind going. I really appreciate

811
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Speaker 1: Dr Master's coming here on the show, and I want

812
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: to remind you the listener to go to my main website,

813
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,399
Speaker 1: which is shadow Folks dot com or Heidi Hollis dot

814
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 1: com and send me your stories. Tell me whatever it

815
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: is that you're experiencing out there. And if you want

816
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: to give insight or receive insight, and if you've been

817
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: researching new things and topics and you want to just

818
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: lend that information out there, you are welcome to do that.

819
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: You could write me or come on this show and

820
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: share it directly. I am fully open to anything and

821
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: everything out the ordinary, from the good to the bad,

822
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 1: to the ugly, to the physical to the inner dimensional,

823
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: because this is how we paint the picture, this is

824
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: how we solve the riddles. So m yeah, So I

825
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: am really anxious to see what comes up next. You

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Speaker 1: have been listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi

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