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Speaker 1: Welcome backstage, conspiracy Realist. We are bringing you a classic episode.

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Speaker 1: And before we do, while you're just kicking it with

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Speaker 1: us in the figurative green room, I have to ask,

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Speaker 1: do you guys like lights in general? Yeah? I love

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Speaker 1: them colored ones, you know, white ones, black ones. The

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Speaker 1: black ones are fun. They make they make things look

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Speaker 1: real trippy in the dock. They teach you a lot

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Speaker 1: about hotel rooms. That's also true. That's a different kind

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Speaker 1: of trippy in the dark. Yeah, what did they call that?

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Speaker 1: It was like it was like color therapy or something

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Speaker 1: like that. There was it was labeled in some strange way,

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Speaker 1: the blue and red lights. They were in a recent

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Speaker 1: hotel we visited. I really like lights when they come

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Speaker 1: together to form the shape of Diablo characters on my monitor. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I like lights that are tempty, you know. I like

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Speaker 1: lights that tease you a little bit, flirt you off

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Speaker 1: the expected route. Sometimes they are called the will of

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Speaker 1: the wisp. Sometimes they are called spooklights. And in today's

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Speaker 1: classic episode, we went with the title ghost lights. You

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Speaker 1: might be surprised by how many people feel that they

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Speaker 1: have encountered this phenomenon and by just how many different

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Speaker 1: explanations there are for it. I think we were all

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Speaker 1: surprised by the responses from our fellow conspiracy realist. Oh absolutely,

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Speaker 1: and hey, it's still not too late to let us

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Speaker 1: know what you think after you listen to this classic

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Speaker 1: episode from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 1: or learn this stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is Nell Spooky Brown. They called me been in

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Speaker 1: various other things. You are you that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: they don't want you to know? A relatively spooky episode

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Speaker 1: for us today. Yeah. I'm not sure if I'm just

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Speaker 1: getting old and like sentimental or something, but I was

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Speaker 1: writing around yesterday listening to Thriller really loud in my car,

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Speaker 1: and it made me cry how good that song is,

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Speaker 1: like how perfectly done that song is, and how it's

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Speaker 1: like you think it couldn't get any better, You think

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Speaker 1: it couldn't get any better, and then Vincent Price boom.

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Speaker 1: Fun fact, I used to know the choreography of the

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Speaker 1: Thriller dance. Yeah, this is I mean been. My experience

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Speaker 1: is separated from the video. The video ads a whole

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Speaker 1: another layer of like shocking onto that thing that is

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Speaker 1: a piece of piece of art right there. It is.

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Speaker 1: So we are doing one. We are delving into one

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Speaker 1: topic that is particularly spooky, so spooky in fact that

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Speaker 1: they use the word spook in the name. It's correct,

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Speaker 1: and it was. We were hipped to the attention of

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Speaker 1: this topic by a listener named Megan, who wrote to us.

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Speaker 1: She says, Hey, guys, I started your podcast a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and I'm greatly enjoying it. It's been

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Speaker 1: a great way to help me get through the workday,

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Speaker 1: though my coworkers might be getting a little annoyed with

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Speaker 1: me randomly laughing or bringing up odd conversations. Oh, we

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Speaker 1: understand that completely, Megan, the laughing part, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: the odd conversations for sure. She says. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if you've ever heard of the Joplin Spooklight, but I

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Speaker 1: thought it might be something that you'd have an interest in.

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Speaker 1: I've been fascinated by it since I was little, and

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Speaker 1: I always liked the various theories that I hear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you for writing in, Megan. Our first response, I

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Speaker 1: don't know about you. Guys. But my first response when

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Speaker 1: I read the phrase Joplin Spooklight was what a great

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Speaker 1: band name. Yeah, like I would go. I would go

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Speaker 1: see them, only if you can get Janis to front it, though,

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Speaker 1: I think that sailed well. I you know, you could

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Speaker 1: do stuff with holograms or ghost maybe never holograms. Never holograms,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll see that freaks me out. We could

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Speaker 1: yea conjure the Janis? All right? Cool, So I think

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Speaker 1: we've we've just started a band. Yes, and before we

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Speaker 1: before we get to our album, which is pretty clearly

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Speaker 1: going to be a concept album, right, okay, as long

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Speaker 1: as we're all on board. Oh and we need to

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Speaker 1: introduce our super producer, Alex Williams. On the ones, twos

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Speaker 1: and threes, he pointed out, Scott Choplin could be Yeah,

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Speaker 1: We could make it like space jazz. What about just

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Speaker 1: the two of them, just the two Joplins that would

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Speaker 1: hear your opinions to what sort of band Joplin Spooklight

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Speaker 1: would be. It turns out that the job blind Spooklight,

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Speaker 1: phenomenon that is widespread and relatively well known in the

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Speaker 1: also called, you know, a ghostlight, spooklight, a willow the wisp.

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Speaker 1: And how have we not made an episode on this?

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Speaker 1: We haven't, right, because we've not been through the other

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Speaker 1: We've been to the feed and it's it's okay. I

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Speaker 1: think we're good. I think we're good. We've talked about

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Speaker 1: actually delved into it. I will say, for a fact,

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Speaker 1: stuff to blow your mind, our sister podcast, what do

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Speaker 1: you call it, compatriots, what's what's pure podcast? Stuff to

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Speaker 1: blow your mind? Our peer, part part peer. That's hard

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Speaker 1: to say, stuff to Blow your Mind. Our colleagues who

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Speaker 1: also a podcast, they did do an excellent episode on

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Speaker 1: Willow the Whisp, so I recommend checking that one out

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Speaker 1: addition to what you're about to hear here. Fantastic. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you can also if you're a stuff to Blow

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Speaker 1: your Mind fan, you can catch a couple of those

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Speaker 1: guys on appearances on this very show. Last one in

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Speaker 1: particular on the Bicameral Mind was one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: discussions we've had in a minute. It was It was

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Speaker 1: really fun, So do check that out. But first, in

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Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to examine spook lights or Willow

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Speaker 1: delve into some folklore and hopefully a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the heck is spooklight? You've heard the term or will

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Speaker 1: spooky lights seeing Allegedly, when they're in graveyards, they're called

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Speaker 1: And they're also these lights are also feared by some

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Speaker 1: What about fireflies? Right? Insects? Jellyfish, jellyfish? What about wait,

421
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 1: m what are you talking about? Yeah, like airborne jelly things. Yeah,

422
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: oh okay, Oh so jellyfish that are just like floating. Yes, okay, yes, man,

423
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,679
Speaker 1: got it, got it. I meant I understood, understood, all right,

424
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: So case solved, right, guys, case solved. I think I'm

425
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: thinking of that scene and Life Aquatic, where like they

426
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: go out in the middle of the night and the

427
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: beach is covered and those bioluminescent jellyfish and someone asks

428
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: him like, what's what's the source of their glow? He's like,

429
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: it's the moon reflecting off of their skin. That's the

430
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: one thing about that movie I really thought was funny.

431
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:54,679
Speaker 1: The rest of it kind of board me a little bit.

432
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I tried. I tried to like it. I tried to

433
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: rewatch it and get into it, but I couldn't do.

434
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: It's very deliberate, it's very yes. Just so, what's that?

435
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: What's that old? It's a joke from family Guy that

436
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: got stuck in my head years ago when they're trying

437
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: to argue in pretentious terms about The Godfather, and Peter

438
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: ends up saying because it insists upon itself. It insists

439
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: upon itself, which sounds intelligent, but makes no sense when

440
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: you say that about a film that's mine. So whenever

441
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: we're talking, like if we go see a film together,

442
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: which you know, listeners, Matt Nolan, I and our crew

443
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: go out and watch films when we can find time

444
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: because we're nerds. But if we ever walk out and

445
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: you hear me say that I didn't like something because

446
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: it insists upon itself, it probably means I wasn't paying

447
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: attention and I want to sound smart nice. That expression,

448
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: to me means that something was pretentious. There we go, Well,

449
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: thank you for giving some meaning to it. Well, I

450
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: just just how it hits me. Let started using people

451
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: of insisting on themselves. Yeah, how would you even do that?

452
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: You just walk up to them and like, Hey, it's me,

453
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: it's me, It's really me all the time. You mean,

454
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: how would somebody insist upon themselves? No, you just kind

455
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 1: of like insist that you're important in the situation. I think,

456
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: is it? Okay? Yeah? Yeah, you know me. I think

457
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: that's what it is. We've solved it, and you slam

458
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: your fist down on the table. We've solved it as

459
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: well as solving the mystery of spooklights or have we

460
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: hang Tychemosaba, because to date, no one has captured or

461
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: observed an animal that has all these characteristics that would

462
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: make it, you know, a one on one comparison with

463
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: a ghost light. And there's also at this point no

464
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: bioluminescent source that we know of that's bright enough. Yeah,

465
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 1: it's overwhelmingly unlikely for these lights to be produced by animals. Correct,

466
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: But what if the Earth is doing it itself? You guys? Yeah, yeah,

467
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 1: remember the thing of piezio electrics that been mentioned before,

468
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: where the earth itself is creating it or perhaps even

469
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: that favled marsh gas. Yeah, so okay. The idea is

470
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: that the tectonic strain. Moving faults in the earth would

471
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: also heat up the rocks, vaporizing any water content, and

472
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: rock or soil containing something like quartz or silicon or

473
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: arsenic can also produce electricity that would be channeled up

474
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: to the surface through the soil via the water as

475
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: a medium and then somehow appearing as these lights. This,

476
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: if it were piezoelectric in origin, would also explain why

477
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: the lights appear to be erratic or even intelligent in

478
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: their behavior, because there's some kind of flow that's occurring

479
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: there that maybe is moving it in a way that

480
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: you would think as you're watching it, they're choosing to

481
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, because we like to anthropomorphize things, right

482
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: and describe agency to them. You know, but what about

483
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: marsh gas? What about marsh gas? So this guy Alessandro Volta,

484
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: who discovered methane in seventeen seventy six, originally put forth

485
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: this idea that these ghostly orbs of light were somehow

486
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: tied to marsh gas. He believed that lightning mixed with

487
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: the swamp gases and caused the ghost lights. His theory

488
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: was pretty controversial at time, and initially was just, you know,

489
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: disregarded wholeheartedly due to two pretty important factors. One is

490
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: the unlikeliness of spontaneous combustion. Okay, that's a good one.

491
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: That's not likely, not super likely. And two is the

492
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: his failure to explain why these phenomena appeared to retreat

493
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: when approached. Ye as if they knew something was come,

494
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: as if to beccon you into the void like a

495
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: swamp siren. Yes or no no, no, no, no, no,

496
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: no no, don't don't fall, don't see How are you

497
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: supposed to go into the light? Are you not supposed

498
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: to go into the light? Really depends on the contact. Yeah, yeah,

499
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: Are you dying and you're ready to go then yes? Right,

500
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: that's the whole point. That's the only time you go

501
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: into the light. Wasn't there a poulter Geist thing? Or

502
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: just don't go into the light? Yeah, because the actual

503
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: Poulter guyst the Dead cult leader, is trying to take

504
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: Carol Anne's enormous power. You know, I've never seen Poulter

505
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: guyst been. You just spoiled poulter Geist for me. No,

506
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: I didn't even tell you. The coolest part Dead Cult Leader, though,

507
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: is that they don't get to that until like poulter

508
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: Geist two or three. I see you've spoiled the whole

509
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: franchise for me. Dude, Yeah, let me go ahead, let

510
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,719
Speaker 1: me make it worse. The guy who is that guy

511
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: had a show called Coach. He's the dad. Oh what

512
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: the hell is his name? The only thing you need

513
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: to know about Poultergeist is that braces sometimes attack you.

514
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: Your own braces sometimes attack you, and that's terrifying. Well

515
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: everybody knows that. Yeah, I feel like I must have

516
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: done braces. I mean horrible, horrible, malicious things like I

517
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: may have done you a disservice, my friend, because I

518
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: went through that period where I was just sending images

519
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: screen caps from Poultergeist in response to work emails, like

520
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: creepy old dude with the hat. This is like pre emoji.

521
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: This is probably pre emoji. Yeah. The first time I

522
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: ever saw meat in a like a decomposing state where

523
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: there are maggots and everything is from Poltergeist. And I

524
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: was a little kid. Yeah, and it has scarred me

525
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: ever since. Yes, I'm glad you're talking about decomposition because

526
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: this idea that Volta proposes says that, all right, so

527
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: the normal way that organic stuff decomposes in open air

528
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: is called aerobic decomposition. Sounds like a lazy fitness program.

529
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: It means they're affected by air around them. And like

530
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: all organic matter, plants, animals, what have you, were mostly

531
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: made up of carbon and oxygen and hydrogen, and when

532
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: decaying in the presence of oxygen, the byproducts of the

533
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: decomposition process are going to be carbon dioxide, energy, or

534
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: heat water. But in swampy or marshy areas, which would

535
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: also happen to be very humid, aerobic decomposition often doesn't

536
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: take place because the dead matter, the organic stuff, gets

537
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: buried beneath water or water saturated soil, and it continues

538
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: to decompose in the absence of air anaerobic decomposition, and

539
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: that would mean that the matter gets broken down by

540
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: anaerobic bacteria. And here we go. This is why it matters,

541
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: because when the bacteria are decomposing this stuff or breaking

542
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: it down, they produce carbon dioxide, nitrogen, phosphenes, other chemicals,

543
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: including methane as byproducts. Now, methane, what do we know

544
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: about methane cow parts? Well, if anyone out there ever

545
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: attempted to light a toot on fire, a toot. Really,

546
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: what do you know? This is like that time? So

547
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: it was a while back. Would you called something to

548
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: no no place? Yeah? Yeah, Should we take a break

549
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: and go tinkle? I mean, you know, if you got

550
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: a tinkle tinkle. But yeah, all right, so uh toots, yeah,

551
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: toots and methane. It's flammable. That's why it's important. That

552
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: is important. Yeah, and uh, phosphines are also flammable, and

553
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: they can burst into spontaneous flame in the presence of air.

554
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: As it burns, it produces this dense white cloud which

555
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 1: could seem to give more substance to the flame, right,

556
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: especially from far away, mixed with methane. This these gases

557
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: functioning in concert, would you know, would be the explanation

558
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: for willow the whisp, at least according to a Volta. Yeah,

559
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: especially if you get a pocket of the gas that's

560
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: just on fire for a little bit and burns for

561
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: a little while and then dissipates or you know, begins

562
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: burning in a direction. It sure sounds like it needs

563
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: some pretty specific circumstances to generate this effect. Though, you

564
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: know that's correct when you hear the way it's described,

565
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: it's it's all got a very similar look, right, or

566
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: they're bobbing and weaving and kind of like you said, retreating,

567
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: especially to see it every night, right, I mean, what

568
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: there's like a National Park style you know, scenic overlook

569
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: for the damn things. I mean, it's like, you know, yeah,

570
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: it's not a made up phenomenon, but we know how

571
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: the northern lights work, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know

572
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: you know what the cause of that phenomenon is. It's

573
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: pretty interesting that we've accepted this visual oddity but we

574
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: don't really know what causes it. It's pretty neat. Well.

575
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot of people will say

576
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: they have figured out the cause of a specific one

577
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: or a specific area, right, But you're right, there are

578
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: people who would still disagree with this because the folks

579
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: again i'll call them true believers, who think that these

580
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: explanations are okay, but they don't really encapsulate or demystify

581
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: the thing. They would say, in a lot of cases,

582
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: lights are reported from areas without these favorable conditions. And

583
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: I agree that it sounds like a set of pretty

584
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 1: complicated specific things. There's almost a Rube Goldberg feel to this, definitely.

585
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: But there is one other explanation that was what did

586
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: we call it? It was like a quick hint at

587
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: It was a quick uh we were oh, a jump tease.

588
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: It was a jump tease. We jump tease. That guess

589
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: what we're jumping in right now. It's called fata Morgana

590
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: first or head first. Well, I like to go belly.

591
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: You're a flopper first, yep, that's generally my life, just

592
00:36:54,040 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: flopping before after you good things the street, like the

593
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: flop toots to the tanks. All right, So what's a

594
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 1: photo morgana. So this is a third hypothesis, and that's

595
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: this is that the lights are a result of optical

596
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: illusion occurring in the observer, or at least it happens

597
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: to the observer from what's happening into your eyes, the

598
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: way the light enters your eyes over the horizon. Right.

599
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 1: The idea that the whole thing is a mirage, forget

600
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 1: swamp gas, forget some kind of earthquake based electricity. People

601
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: are just somehow making this up consistently over decades, centuries

602
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: and so on. Foto Morgana is pretty interesting, but it

603
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: has one big problem, at least in this case. So

604
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: the idea is that there has to be a thermal

605
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: inversion such that the curvature of light rays within the

606
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 1: inversion becomes stronger than the curvature of the earth. I

607
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: know this sounds like a lot of gobbledy goook, but

608
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: essentially means the rays will bend and create arcs. So

609
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: if you are seeing this, you're what you're seeing is

610
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: a distorted, erect or inverted image. And because of the

611
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: changing nature of the atmosphere at the time of Fata Morgana,

612
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: this type of mirage can change within just a few seconds,

613
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: so it can seem to be very dynamic. But here's

614
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: the big problem with Fata morgana. What they are most

615
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: commonly seen in polar regions really, so not Missouri, not Texas.

616
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: Oh Man. See, so I was banking on this one

617
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: because we're talking about humid conditions right where you've already

618
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: got some optical stuff going on, and there's moisture in

619
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: the air. You've got four miles of roughly flat terrain

620
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: that you're looking all the way down and seeing some

621
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,800
Speaker 1: light way on the other end of that four miles.

622
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: And you know, if you've got lights, even if you're

623
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: way back in the day and you've got torches during

624
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: the trail of tears, and it's way way way down there,

625
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: and you've got those human conditions, you've got that distance.

626
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking that is what would end up happening.

627
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: You could, you know, it might look larger, it might

628
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,720
Speaker 1: look to be moving differently than it actually is because

629
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Speaker 1: of this fotimorgana. But dang it, I really thought I

630
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: was onto the figuring it out right there. Well, I mean,

631
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: don't don't dismiss entirely yet. It could be some kind

632
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: of mirage. But my issue with that is if it

633
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: were a mirage, right, if it were some sort of

634
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: optical illusion, then why would it be consistently the same.

635
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: It seems much more likely that maybe there would be

636
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 1: a busy road that somehow is reflecting light, you know,

637
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: But then if these are moving cars on an interstate

638
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 1: or a road, not affect the behavior of the light. Yeah,

639
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: but if it's a smaller road, then maybe you only

640
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: have a couple cars on there at once. But there's

641
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: usually a car, but only a few at a time.

642
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the closest thing I can

643
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: say that I've seen to this sort of like this

644
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: and super common it is just when it's really really

645
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: hot and you're driving and like, you know, the street

646
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: is really hot, and you kind of see this like

647
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: faint shimmering in the air above the right above the

648
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: horizon kind of And I think, you know, that's that's

649
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: the closest thing that like a visual disturbance that I've

650
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: maybe personally witnessed. So but that happens all the time,

651
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,479
Speaker 1: and all it takes is it being really hot. Yeah,

652
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: so okay, what about heat? We didn't even really talk

653
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: much about temperature. We haven't. Yeah, it could the temperature

654
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 1: be affecting this? And that that weird heat wave that

655
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: Noel's mentioned is something that I think we've all seen,

656
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,919
Speaker 1: friends and neighbors. I mean, you can just walk out

657
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: in a hot area and look into the distance. But

658
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: would that could the heat create just heat alone create

659
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,959
Speaker 1: this sustained ball of creepy light? I think anything any

660
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 1: true explanation for one of these, And I think you

661
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: probably have to take each one. So yeah, I think

662
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: you probably do, because all the conditions in the different

663
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: areas are going to be slightly different. But yeah, I

664
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: think maybe it's a combination. You guys, At this point,

665
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: mainstream science probably agrees with you and feels is adequately

666
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: explained this phenomenon through the following the following causes, or

667
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: a combination thereof naturally a currying atmospheric conditions, misidentification by eyewitnesses. Right,

668
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 1: and so the same thing as you know, you think

669
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,080
Speaker 1: it's a UFO, but it's a secret government spy plane,

670
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,239
Speaker 1: still creepy, or you know the Chinese lanterns that go up.

671
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: I've I have tricked myself into believing there's a UFO

672
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: with the Chinese lantern a group of Chinese lantern Oh really,

673
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: was it from the lantern parade or something? It wasn't

674
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: the lantern parade. It was awful lantern parade time, but

675
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: it was for sure that's what it was. And then,

676
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: of course we would be remiss if we did not

677
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: mention the likelihood of purposeful hoaxes, which I still don't understand.

678
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: I guess it's this sort of hoax scene came along

679
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: before it was easy to just troll people on the internet. Yeah,

680
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: a few years ago here in Georgia, where the show

681
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: is based, we heard tell, as they would say in Tennessee,

682
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: we heard tell of someone who claimed they have found

683
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 1: the corpse of a sasquatch. Yes, remember that, and they

684
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: had it in a cooler, and they had pictures of it,

685
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 1: and they said they were getting DNA analysis. And I

686
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: think it was just a gorilla costume. Is that what

687
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: it turned out to be? Yes, it definitely wasn't a sasquatch.

688
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: So we do have to at some point, or anyone

689
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: who looks into this has to at some point acknowledge

690
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: the possibility or even plausibility of someone purposefully, you know,

691
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 1: pulling a fast one on friends and neighbors. But here's

692
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, even if there is a perfectly good

693
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: explanation for one of these things, or we can explain

694
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: it away somehow through science, it doesn't make the physical

695
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: viewing of one of these things any less spooky. Which

696
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: makes me think it would be wonderful to see pictures

697
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: of ghost lights or will of the wisps. Would they

698
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: be wills of the wisp? Yeah, they would have to

699
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 1: be wills will of the wisps. Wills of the wisp, yeah,

700
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: all because each one is a different will. Can we

701
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: call them? The wisp is the thing that these are

702
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: the wills of, So there would be only one whisp,

703
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: It's the great Whisp. The individual items are the wills

704
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: of said great whisp. But what if it's one will

705
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: controlling all of the will. There's a will, there's a whisp. Okay, yes,

706
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: if you are a will of the whisper, then we

707
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: would like to hear your firsthand experience, friends and neighbors.

708
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: We ourselves, like anybody else, have seen certain phenomenon that

709
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 1: we can't completely explain right without careful research. But I

710
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: don't believe we have in this room actually seen ghost

711
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: light or spooklight for ourselves. Is that correct? I have

712
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:24,240
Speaker 1: not seen one. I have watched tons of videos online

713
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: of people showing it, and I've seen things that were

714
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: very strange on a mountain road in the Blue Ridge Mountains,

715
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: where out in the distance it looks as though there

716
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: is a light shimmering or shining and floating a little bit,

717
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: And after a little bit of investigation I found out

718
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: that it's this specific road that wraps around the mountain

719
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: in this one way, and when cars go around it,

720
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: for some reason, it just looks very strange and not

721
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: like headlights. And it's true that even though different proposed

722
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: explanations might sound I don't know, highly unlikely or maybe

723
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: even to a degree condescending when people talk about misidentification,

724
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: it's it's still true that it's easy for this sort

725
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: of stuff to happen. If you believe that you have

726
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: proof of a supernatural will of the whisp. By the way,

727
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: please write to us post haste before it gets you.

728
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: I Oh, I had one other thing I wanted to

729
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 1: put in here to the question about why these lights

730
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 1: seem to retreat. Yes, I want to know what that

731
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 1: Depending on how close people get before the retreat occurs.

732
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: Is it possible that it's a disturbance in the air

733
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: of the person approaching or from the person approaching. Interesting,

734
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for someone to write in and say that's

735
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: not how air works. What do you call someone that's

736
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: an expert in an air a weatherman or or a woman? Well,

737
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: I guess it would be a meteorologist. That yeah, yeah,

738
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: that's whether whether men or woman is a diminutive and

739
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: not mean any disrespect to the meteorological community. They're very

740
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: powerful here. You don't want to get a big meteorology

741
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: mad at we think about it. They're only a couple

742
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 1: of clicks away from controlling the weather. So you know, yeah,

743
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: that's true. And do check out our episode on weather

744
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: modification while we're While we're here, we've been talking so

745
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: much about you friends and neighbors, and we've been asking

746
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: for your write in, and that reminds us what better

747
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: time for got corner Our first shout out today subject

748
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: daughter of a psychic Hey, conspiracy dudes. I'm a new

749
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: listener and you guys have expressed some interest in psychic people.

750
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: My mom has made a few predictions in her lifetime,

751
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: mostly around death. Back in the nineties, my family went

752
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: to New York and we're going to visit the World

753
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: Trade Center. They're on their way to cross the bridge

754
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: when my mom starts completely freaking out, saying she doesn't

755
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: want to go and something bad is going to happen,

756
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 1: and she's freaking out so bad. My dad asks a

757
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: police officer to help them turn around. A few weeks later,

758
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 1: World Trade Center blew up for the first time. Whoa Also,

759
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 1: she predicted the death of my grandmother. She had a

760
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: dream that my grandma was sitting at the edge of

761
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,799
Speaker 1: my father's brother's coffin. He had died a few years prior.

762
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: She sat there just looking at my mom and talking

763
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: to her. When my mom woke up and asked my

764
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 1: dad to take her to his mom's house. By the

765
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: time they got there, she had already passed away. There's

766
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: some other stuff about how she gets bad vibes about

767
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: people and things, and I'm not a big believer in

768
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: this stuff, but I am a big believer in her predictions.

769
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: She hasn't had one in a while, but I guess

770
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Thanks for doing what you do,

771
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: Signed Elena. You know I want to see at the

772
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: very top of this reaction that I absolutely do not

773
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: care what people ascribe a bad vibe too. I would

774
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: listen to it because there's you know, there's any combination

775
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 1: of cues that you're subconscious might pick up on that

776
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: your mind does not acknowledge, and sometimes that could translate

777
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: as a bad feeling, you know, like someone just walked

778
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: over my grave, or I just shook hands with that guy.

779
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: Now it feels weird and I don't trust him. You know,

780
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: I think there's nothing wrong with following your gut in

781
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: that regard. I mean, don't don't you know, go out

782
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: and try to murder someone because you got a vav

783
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: vibe off of them. Yeah, but even like I mean,

784
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: like not not to oversimplify it. But haven't you ever

785
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: had I had a thing where like you were thinking

786
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: about a song and then that song came on or

787
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: like you know, I mean, so I know that's like

788
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: confirmation bias or what is it where you or mind

789
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: hoff syndrome or whatever, But like, it is a very

790
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: very powerful feeling, you know what I mean, And especially

791
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: when you connect it with something that ultimately does come

792
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: to pass. It's it's it's very easy. Even like something

793
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 1: as simple as like hearing a song, you could almost

794
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, your brain could you could very easily be

795
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: convinced by your brain, which is very clever, you know. Yeah,

796
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: piece of machinery that you made that happen, or that

797
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,479
Speaker 1: you somehow had for knowledge that was going to happen,

798
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 1: and then it was like an inclination or something like that.

799
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: I have never really experienced the phenomenon in the way

800
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: that she's describing like that. I don't think I've ever

801
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: really known anybody that was just spot on repeatedly. But

802
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: for me to really believe it, I think it would

803
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: have to be like repeatedly repeatedly and specifics. Yeah, well

804
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, full disclosure I have. It is a belief

805
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: in this stuff is widespread in my extended family, and

806
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: they will insist to you that they have had precognitive

807
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: dreams or that they have had you know, discidence, Yeah,

808
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: that they've had the site. It's big in Appalachia, so

809
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,919
Speaker 1: my in laws are right there with you. Oh yeah, yeah.

810
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 1: But I would love to hear more of these stories.

811
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: I am fascinated by this. Yes, please send them in

812
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: if you've got them. I am too, And I am

813
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: not downplaying these stories at all. I'm just kind of

814
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: like filtering it through my own experience, in my own

815
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: jerky skeptic brain, I guess. But you know, I have

816
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: experienced things like this, but not quite this intense, and

817
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: if it was, if it had happened to me, I

818
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: might feel completely differently about him. That's true. That's true.

819
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: Now I'm now I'm going to be paying close attention

820
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: to every song I hear for the next day because

821
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: we mentioned bet or mine off. It's gonna follow me

822
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:30,360
Speaker 1: like a curse. Rams I used to dance alone of

823
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: my own volition. That's a good one. That's Alex's favorite

824
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: one too. So thanks for writing to Elena. We've got

825
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: a We've got a short recommendation from the been Randall

826
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: on Twitter says, conspiracy stuff. Please call your drunken after

827
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: show cons barrassy hashtag do it for the kids? What

828
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,399
Speaker 1: have we decided that's a thing. I don't think we've

829
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: decided that yet, Ben, but you know we're we're definitely

830
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: it's a thinking about it. We're just trying to decide

831
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: whether we're going to record it or not. That's true.

832
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: I heard a funny Halloween beer pun last night. It

833
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: was would you'd care for a Miller fright? You know?

834
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 1: It is, after all the Shampain of fears. Oh wow,

835
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: I am so delighted. Thank you for bringing that into

836
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: my life. Yeah, my girlfriend told me that, and she'd

837
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: heard some friends say it. I'm not going to name names,

838
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: but shout out to Jess Bress and Uh and to

839
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: you as well, Ben Randall. We have not we have

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Speaker 1: not officially decided whether we're going to foray into recording this,

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Speaker 1: but we appreciate all the suggestions that we found on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Who you know, people were asking us if we wanted

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Speaker 1: to film it. I don't know if we wanted to

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Speaker 1: record it, but I can't argue with a good pun,

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Speaker 1: and conspiracy is pretty solid, So thank you the Ben Randall.

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Speaker 1: Our final shout out goes to Damon from Indiana. Damon says,

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to every podcast so far, and I

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Speaker 1: have to say it's quite the feat to get to

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Speaker 1: the newer stuff. There's just so much of it. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome, Damon, and sorry, but I do also have

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Speaker 1: a suggestion for you guys to research. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how easy it would be for you to do a

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Speaker 1: topic on this due to how mysterious it is. The

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Speaker 1: Great Attractor. Oh that's a good one, right. There are

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Speaker 1: so many speculations on what this thing could be. No

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Speaker 1: one really knows what it is other than a strange

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Speaker 1: anomaly that's pulling everything in the universe towards it. I

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Speaker 1: think it would be a cool episode, maybe fun for

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Speaker 1: you guys as well. We all love looking into deep space. Agreed.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for taking the time to read this. Guys,

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Speaker 1: keep doing all the awesome stuff you do for all

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Speaker 1: of us listeners. Oh that's really cool. Thank you Damon

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Speaker 1: and the Great Attractor. I don't know that I know

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Speaker 1: this besides maybe a supermassive black hole. Is that what

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Speaker 1: Damon's talking about? Or is it something even bigger? Some

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Speaker 1: other force. Right now, science is referring to it as

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Speaker 1: a gravitational anomaly. It's at the center of the Alanakia

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Speaker 1: super cluster, and it has it's a localized concentration of

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Speaker 1: mass that is tens of thousands of times more massive

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Speaker 1: than the entire Milky Way. Wow, so what's going on

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Speaker 1: with that? That does sound like a great idea for

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Speaker 1: an episode. Yes, we just need to get somebody on

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Speaker 1: the phone with us or in the studio. I think,

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Speaker 1: who can just go, here's the science, true and fair enough.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Elena, Thank you so much the

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Speaker 1: Ben Randall, and of course thank you Damon. This concludes

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Speaker 1: our Ohs, but not our show. Matt Noel, super producer

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Speaker 1: Alex and I will be back next week with some

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Speaker 1: things that might surprise you, some things that might disturb you,

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00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: but definitely hopefully fascinate you as much as they fascinate

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Speaker 1: need us. So if you have any stories about ghost

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00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: lights or any other kind of paranormal activity, really we

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00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: love hearing that kind of stuff. Anything from psychics, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a premonition that somebody in your family had, or

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Speaker 1: somebody you know or maybe you had, all the way

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Speaker 1: to just a glowing red orb that appeared to you

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Speaker 1: on top of your cat once. I want to know

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Speaker 1: about that. I think these guys do too. He'll just

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Speaker 1: tell us about your cat. We're very interested in your

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Speaker 1: cat stories. Yes, especially if your cat sits on your

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Speaker 1: chest at night and tries to steal your breath. Why

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Speaker 1: you gotta make it all sinister, man, Why can't it

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Speaker 1: just be about the cats or a sweet, cute, little

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Speaker 1: katy cat that is only a serial murderer on the side.

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Speaker 1: As someone who is as someone who is unreasonably popular

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Speaker 1: with cats, I can say that I believe they are

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Speaker 1: inherently sinister. Me too. I don't love them. I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's a criticism. I agreed, I love them. Have

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Speaker 1: you guys seen that movie Cat People. Yeah, it's like

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Speaker 1: sort of like a skin a max, like like softcore

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00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: erotica film from the Eightiesway, oh, I'm you're thinking of cats.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking of Sleepwalkers. That was later cat People.

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Speaker 1: I think in Sleepwalkers are very similar. They're basically about,

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Speaker 1: you know, these very sexy people in the eighties that

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Speaker 1: turned into cats. Wow. I only bring it up because

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Speaker 1: we're talking about cats and sinister things, and I recently

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Speaker 1: bought the soundtrack and it rules. It's Georgio Moroder does

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Speaker 1: the score and that's got the Like the Cat People.

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Speaker 1: UM title track is by David Bowie and it was

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Speaker 1: featured in that scene in UM Inglorious Bastards where the

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Speaker 1: character sets a fire. I'm not gonna do any spoilers,

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Speaker 1: but there's a really intense Bowie track and that's totally

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Speaker 1: like the theme to Cat People. Wow, start a fire

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