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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spafford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West Hodkoitz. We're coming to you

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Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field, Wes to discuss

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Speaker 1: a rough one twenty two to sixteen overtime loss to

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Speaker 1: Chicago on Saturday night at Soldier Field. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how exactly to break this down, and we got a

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Speaker 1: lot of ground to cover in this show because with

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Speaker 1: Thursday being the holiday this week, we're actually kind of

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Speaker 1: doing a two for one here. We're gonna do one

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Speaker 1: show this week, review the last game, preview the next one.

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Speaker 1: Get it all in right here in one episode. But

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Speaker 1: man Malik Willis balled out. The defense had a tremendous debut,

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Speaker 1: sort of the debut without Micah Parsons for twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: and then it just all unraveled in the last few

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Speaker 1: minutes and a lot of really really good work and

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Speaker 1: a lot of really good football by the Packers just

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And unfortunately for Green Bay, this has just been

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Speaker 2: a story that we've heard at various times this season

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Speaker 2: where the Packers have played really good football for two

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Speaker 2: and a half, for three quarters, and then a game

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Speaker 2: just gets away from them. Right. That's what happened with Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: To a certain extent, that's what happened with Carolina. When

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Speaker 2: you look at the game against Denver, things are tracking

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Speaker 2: in the right direction midway through the early in the

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Speaker 2: third quarter, and then things fall apart. So number of

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Speaker 2: levels to look at this. First and foremost, I do

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Speaker 2: tip my cap to the Chicago Bears. You have to

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Speaker 2: show that respect. That is a very talented football team.

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Speaker 2: It's not an accident that they take away the football

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Speaker 2: the way that they do their physicality. I thought the

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Speaker 2: alignment on the on side kick that they recovered was tremendous.

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Speaker 2: The kick by Santos was great. Santos was maybe the

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Speaker 2: MVP of this game with how he handled those condition

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Speaker 2: giving the Bears a shot to stay within arms reach

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Speaker 2: a Green Bay. But from the Packers' standpoint, it was this,

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Speaker 2: you know, multiple issues that all flared up for them

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Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, execution alignment mistakes that led to

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Speaker 2: a really devastating loss. When you look at a game

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Speaker 2: in which Michael, you know, the Packers move ahead sixteen

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Speaker 2: I don't think anybody was packing in the bags at all.

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Speaker 2: But you are, with Chicago sitting on two timeouts at

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Speaker 2: that point, you're thinking to yourself, Okay, the Packers just

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Speaker 2: got to keep playing the way they have here for

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Speaker 2: the first fifty five minutes and they'll be able to

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Speaker 2: get out of Chicago with a huge victory and kind

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Speaker 2: of in control their own destiny as it relates to

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Speaker 2: the division. And it doesn't happen. Caleb Williams made some

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Speaker 2: magnificent throws. The Packers made some key errors, some key breakdowns.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately defensively, as good as they were, there was some

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Speaker 2: explosives late and again you do you look at what

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams did, and Packers have a They get Brenton

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Speaker 2: fourth and four, yep, and Williams makes a tremendous throw

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Speaker 2: to you know, Walker and.

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Speaker 1: And it's on a coverage bus to coverage bus. It's

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Speaker 1: a great throw and a great catch, but it's a

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Speaker 1: much much tougher catch to make if it's contested with

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Speaker 1: a defender also in the corner. And there was the

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Speaker 1: miscommunication whatever it is that happened with the Packers two

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Speaker 1: But that again, as you said, that's just one of

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Speaker 1: one of a litany of mistakes. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: the most the most depressing thing about this loss. Not

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Speaker 1: only did it put the Chicago Bears in complete control

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Speaker 1: but that the way things it unfolded everything that the

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Speaker 1: lose Micah Parsons. You're going into this game without Zach

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Speaker 1: and he's moving the team, and yeah, they're failing in

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Speaker 1: The defense is staying in control everything that you're dealing with,

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Speaker 1: all this adversity that the Packers are looking like they

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Speaker 1: what was going to be the most significant and most

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Speaker 1: uplifting victory of the entire season, hands down, and then

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Speaker 1: in sort of a blink of an eye, it turns

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Speaker 1: from that into the most devastating loss of the season

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Speaker 1: because of how it unfolds. There's never there's, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: there's never any loss in this league more frustrating than

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Speaker 1: because it just you give the other team back to

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Speaker 1: and once it got to overtime, it was it was

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Speaker 1: anybody's game. And Malik Willis unfortunately his tremendous performance in

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Speaker 1: those conditions coming off the bench, He's hardly played this year.

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Speaker 1: Aside from that one drive against the New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: His wonderful performance is ruined by the fumbled snap on

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Speaker 1: fourth and one in overtime. Just you know, there was

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Speaker 1: something that happened in every phase along the way that

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Speaker 1: contributed to it, and now it's just all about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's another big pile of adversity in front of you, Right,

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Speaker 1: can the Packers plow through it. Can they overcome it?

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Speaker 1: They still can make the playoffs with one more victory

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Speaker 1: or one loss by the Detroit Lions. They still could

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Speaker 1: win the division with two wins and two losses by

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Speaker 1: possibility given that the Bears are playing a red hot

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Speaker 1: forty nine Ers team coming up this week. But the

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Speaker 1: bottom line is the Packers are fighting for their playoff lives.

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Speaker 1: They will be facing a team on Saturday night at

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Speaker 1: Lambe Field doing exactly the same thing in the Baltimore Ravens,

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Speaker 1: fighting for their playoff lives. Can the Packers overcome yet

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Speaker 1: another snowball in the face of adversity that they have

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Speaker 1: fate that they have run into in these last couple

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Speaker 2: I was like an ice It's like an ice ball

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Speaker 2: of adversity, right, yeah, listen. So first and foremost, I

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Speaker 2: wish I should have just brought in a printed out

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Speaker 2: reply to one of the questions from Insider Inbox on

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Speaker 2: Monday asking about you know, everything that happened, who to blame?

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Speaker 1: Basically, and yeah, everybody, everybody wants some everybody wants somebody

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Speaker 1: be they want it to be simple. They wanted to say,

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Speaker 1: it's this guy's fault. It's it's Romeo Dobb's fault, or

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Speaker 1: it's Josh Jacob's fault because he fumbled inside the five

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Speaker 1: And you can't try to simplify it. If you try

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Speaker 1: That that was essentially the point I was trying to make.

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Speaker 2: And and what I love though, Okay, so, and I

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Speaker 2: But what I love about this game is that it

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Speaker 2: articulates some lingering issues for Green Bay. But it also

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Speaker 2: showed again Packers have not been blown out by any

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Speaker 2: Packers can compete with anybody. And it's why should they

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Speaker 2: make it to the playoffs here? And I know the

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Speaker 2: percentage chances that are very high, but should they make it.

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Speaker 2: They need to get that next last little tick to

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Speaker 2: get that spot. Yeah, the Packers are a formidable opponent

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Speaker 2: for anybody that they're going to face. This is what

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Speaker 2: I like about it. They're going to have a chance.

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Speaker 2: When they use that analogy about you know, they have

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Speaker 2: the pen, they write their own story. That's never been

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Speaker 2: more true. The issues that they've had, the games that

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Speaker 2: to rectify all that, and if they don't, their season

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Speaker 2: regular season or in the postseason. The Packers control all

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Speaker 2: of this still. Yeah, the division's out of hand, But

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Speaker 2: the fact is is that out of their hand. I

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Speaker 2: should say it's not controllable. But the Packers have been

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Speaker 2: able to face the Philadelphia Eagles, the Denver Broncos, that

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Speaker 2: can do it. They definitely can do it. The maddening

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Speaker 2: part about it is that they find themselves in this

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Speaker 2: they've had opportunities, something they did very well last season.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we go into this game Baltimore on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night with the stakes being what they are. The

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Speaker 2: be fascinating to watch down the stretch. Now, Okay, you

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Speaker 2: guys have they did not punt in this game. Second

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Speaker 2: haven't punted. Yeah, and I saw there was a stat

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Speaker 2: this year, they're eight. No, okay, and there were turnovers,

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Speaker 1: And the Packers have had one game where they only

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Speaker 2: But what stinks is that the Josh Jacobs FUMBLELL talk

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Speaker 2: about that tough play, right, Yeah, the Bears get the ball,

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Speaker 1: Get it and one on the seven.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, don't get it. Bears go all the way

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Speaker 2: don't get it. There was so much you know, sudden

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Speaker 2: It was just a shame to see that fall apart

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it all sort of.

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Speaker 2: Ended up being a push, so to speak, other than

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Speaker 2: the fact of the division ramifications of that loss. It's

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Speaker 2: just it's a weird thing. And to watch Malik Willis

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Speaker 1: A touchdown pass to Romeo Dobbs was an absolute beauty

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Speaker 1: and it was a play that he can't he can

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Speaker 1: because then the Packers did get the touchdown on their

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Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. It still felt like, all right,

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Speaker 1: going zero for five in the red zone and and like,

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Speaker 2: The frustrating thing about that too, is in the last

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Speaker 2: that was the Packers. Yes, you want to get the touchdown,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're one thousand percent right. And the fact

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Speaker 2: huge shift, right, And when you're talking about where green

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say one more thing to backtrack on something,

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Speaker 1: They're coming off of a very frustrating loss on their part.

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Speaker 2: his another twelve touchdown rushing year for him, over twelve

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Speaker 2: hundred yards receiving. They just extended Mark Andrews save Flowers,

434
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 2: you know, a tough ending to that game against the Patriots.

435
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Speaker 2: But the fact is he's a thousand yard receiver for them.

436
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 2: He's become their their wide receiver, one that they've been

437
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: searching for for so long, to run alongside Lamar Jackson.

438
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Speaker 2: So this is not easy. This is not going to

439
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Speaker 2: be a fun game here for green Bay, regardless of

440
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Speaker 2: who's at quarterback. And John Harbaughs as savvy as they

441
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 2: come as far as National Football League head coaches, so

442
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 2: a supreme challenge for Green Bay. But at the end

443
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: of the day, this is an opponent that the Packers

444
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: have to get past to get to their goals. They

445
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: have not executed in these interconference games, intraconference games as

446
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: well as they did last season right against the AFC.

447
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Speaker 2: They have to win this football game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. The thing that stood out to me watching

449
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Speaker 1: and I did watch a fair amount of the Sunday

450
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Speaker 1: night game with when the Ravens lost to the Patriots,

451
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Speaker 1: because you know, you and I had talked about it

452
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Speaker 1: earlier in the season on the show. You know, the

453
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Speaker 1: other sort of other implications that we follow, and this

454
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Speaker 1: just hasn't been the typical Baltimore Ravens defense that we've

455
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Speaker 1: been used to seeing. But what stood out to me

456
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Speaker 1: as the Patriots were making the fourth quarter comeback because

457
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Speaker 1: they were up again, I mean twenty four to thirteen

458
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Speaker 1: on the road. You know, the Patriots were kind of

459
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Speaker 1: up against it there and they're fighting with the Broncos

460
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: for the one seed in the AFC and all that.

461
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Speaker 1: As the Ravens defense kind of crumbled in the fourth quarter.

462
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Speaker 1: They were getting pressure on Drake maybe the Patriots quarterup,

463
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 1: they were getting pressure on him consistently and May just

464
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 1: kept delivering against that pressure because the Ravens coverage could

465
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: not hold up and they even caught a break when

466
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Speaker 1: you know, the guy on the deep ball just gets

467
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Speaker 1: tackled and they don't even throw the pass interference flag.

468
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was just a horrible defensive coverage play

469
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Speaker 1: and they got away with it. But this this Ravens

470
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: team has had has had coverage issues, and they seem

471
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Speaker 1: to have found something. They lost Matdabuicke to the neck

472
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 1: injury earlier in the year, their defense took a step

473
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Speaker 1: back from a pass rush standpoint. It seems that that

474
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Speaker 1: pass rush has started to find something a little bit

475
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Speaker 1: more lately. Whether it's going to be Lover or Willis

476
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Speaker 1: under center on Saturday night, the Packers have to be

477
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Speaker 1: ready for that kind of pressure and to be able

478
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Speaker 1: to deliver from the quarterback position under pressure. But the

479
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: opportunities will be there because the Ravens have not been

480
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: a great coverage team downfield, and that's where the Packers

481
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 1: are going to have to take advantage.

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Speaker 2: It is. The statistics for the Ravens are really something

483
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 2: else to look at, because if you just look at

484
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: total yards, in total passing and even to some extent,

485
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: points allowed, not good. It's been a rough year for them.

486
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Speaker 2: But they're thirteenth against the run, they're seventh against on

487
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Speaker 2: third downs, they're sixth in red zone, they're fourth and

488
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: goal to go, and as you said, I mean they generate.

489
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 2: I think their pass rush numbers and their pressure numbers

490
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,240
Speaker 2: have been better in the second half of the season

491
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Speaker 2: than they were early on, which has allowed them to

492
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Speaker 2: kind of recompose themselves a little bit. But this is

493
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: a game, and this is an opponent that the Packers

494
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 2: have to be able to throw against. Whether it's Jordan

495
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 2: Love or whether it is Malik Willis under center, the

496
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 2: Packers have to be able to move the ball down

497
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 2: field against this team. Yeah, when you think about how

498
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: Green Bay was able to get off, don't for two seconds,

499
00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 2: don't think about how those games ended, But think about

500
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 2: it starts that they got off to against both Denver

501
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: and Chicago. It was steadily moving the football and then

502
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 2: hitting on explosive plays when they were coverage breakdowns. That

503
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 2: was especially true in the Broncos game until Vance Joseph's

504
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: defense kind of corrected some stuff in the second half.

505
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: When there's those opportunities, you have to be able to

506
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Speaker 2: turn those into points. And that last week, I mean,

507
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 2: who knows what that score is, who knows how things

508
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,680
Speaker 2: go for Green Bay If that can play doesn't happen,

509
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 2: If Romeo Dobs doesn't catch that touchdown pass, that's what

510
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 2: broke it up there for the time in which it did.

511
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: So the Ravens have been going through it, especially with

512
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: their secondary right now. Really good defenders though when you

513
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 2: look at Rocon Smith as the mic of that defense,

514
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: they have edge rushers that aren't household names, but you

515
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: are respectable. But it's can you move the ball that's

516
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 2: your way you need to against this particular unit. I

517
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 2: think that's going to be critical, especially with the questions

518
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 2: now with both Josh Jacobs some of the injuries he's

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: been dealing with and the fact that at the time

520
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 2: in which they're taping this. The Packers only have one

521
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: healthy tight end on the roster and look muskrat right.

522
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Speaker 1: The Packers lose John Fitzpactor to an achilles injury. Josh

523
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 1: Wiley missed the last game because of a concussion. We'll

524
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: see where he's at in the protocol as as this

525
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: week unfolds, if there will be another tight end to

526
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: join Musgrave, or if they'll have to elevate somebody from

527
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: the practice squad or sign somebody. Josh jacobs last carry

528
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: was the fumble inside the five yard line. He'd been,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, obviously dealing with the knee injury and everything,

530
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Speaker 1: and then the way things unfolded, Emmanuel Wilson was running

531
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 1: the ball really really well, and it just felt like

532
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: Ben Sermons and you know, the running backs coach and

533
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: Matt Leafloy just decided to ride the hot hand there.

534
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people are running, Oh well,

535
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: did they bench Josh Jacobs because of the fumble? I

536
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to be the case. It wasn't a

537
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: case of a doghouse situation there because of because of

538
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: the fumble. It's that Jacobs isn't healthy and Wilson was

539
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: doing well. So so you know, stick with a week

540
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: with the guy here is producing.

541
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Speaker 2: Not sirreptypologis. But remember a week earlier, many Wilson only

542
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: had two carries against him after he had you know,

543
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: the viral illness the day before the game.

544
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: Yeah he was He went into the game sick. Yeah, yeah,

545
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: so he was healthy.

546
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: Basically he was their only healthy option in the backfield.

547
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 2: As it relates to the injury report, Chris Brooks was

548
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: dealing with the chest injury too, playing through that, and

549
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: they didn't elevate Pierre Strong to the roster, didn't sign

550
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: him to the roster. It had to sort of be

551
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 2: them Manuel Wilson show.

552
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, all right, let's let's get uh, let's get

553
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: right into it here. As far as the keys to

554
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: victory for the Packers, I'm gonna start and I'm not

555
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: going to go back into another monologue with regard to

556
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: finishing drives, but that is what is at the top

557
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 1: of the list here is the Packers have to start

558
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: getting the ball back into the end zone when they're

559
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: in the red zone instead of settling for field goals

560
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: or putting themselves in fourth downs where you're deciding do

561
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: you go for it, do you kick, et cetera, et cetera.

562
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Speaker 1: But the other thing I will say, and I'll say

563
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: this whether it's Lamar Jackson or Snoop Huntley as the

564
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: quarterback for the Ravens. Defensively, the game plan needs to

565
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: be pretty similar to what it was against Caleb Williams,

566
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Speaker 1: which is, you've got you've got to keep these guys

567
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: in the pocket. You have to make them try to

568
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: beat you from the pocket, not get outside where they

569
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: have the threat with their legs. Where they get they

570
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: get a you know, a broader view of the field

571
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Speaker 1: to be able to uh, to be able to gas

572
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: you with throws when when they're asking, you know, the

573
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Speaker 1: coverage to hold up for five or six seconds and

574
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: you know somebody's going to break free. So the containing

575
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: the quarterback in the pocket, whichever quarterback it is for

576
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: Baltimore to me, is another one at the top of

577
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Speaker 1: the list of keys to victy.

578
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Green May has to do a better job of

579
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 2: that than they did against Chicago. By and large, they

580
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: were able to contain.

581
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Speaker 1: I thought there were a couple of drives where they

582
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: let him, they let him get out and and and

583
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: he made him pay that's when he threw the ball.

584
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: So dang well, yep, And there was a couple that

585
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 2: he made late that I give him credit for that

586
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: he put the ball in there from the pocket. But

587
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: but when you talk about how he built a rhythm,

588
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: it was everything you and I talked about coming off

589
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: the first game. Him rolling out, particularly rolling right.

590
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Speaker 1: It's almost like.

591
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 2: When remember when Jordan Love gets to hop in his steps.

592
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes when he's in the pocket, you're like, Okay, this

593
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: guy's gonna refurl one here. Yeah, that's what it kind

594
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 2: of looks like when Caleb Williams kind of is able

595
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: to get out, escape the pressure, allow the plays to develop.

596
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: I agree with you. And when you say finished drives,

597
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: I talk about finishing games. I think when you look

598
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 2: at the Packers in the Baltimore Ravens both coming up

599
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: short last week, it's because they didn't finish games and

600
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 2: they bolt didn't finish games without their starting quarterback. That sucks.

601
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: Sorry about that, Yeah, but you still have to find

602
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: a way forward and they let it go. So whoever

603
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: finishes this game better, whoever plays well in the fourth quarter,

604
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: regardless of what happens in the first three quarters, Who's

605
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: going to be who prevails. I'll also say the Packers

606
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: need to protect your quarterback, whether it's Love, whether it's Willis.

607
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: You got to keep that thing clean for him. When

608
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: you look at the big plays the last few weeks

609
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: in which the defenses sort of capitalize on green Bay,

610
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: it's when the quarterback's been under pressure and then unfortunately

611
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: also Willo is getting banged up a little bit at

612
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: the end of regulation. You got to keep that thing clean.

613
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: Baltimore has a diverse pass r I don't think they

614
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: have a guy in the roster with more than three

615
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: and a half sacks. They are gonna throw it in

616
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 2: waves and they're gonna try to simulate those pressures. They're

617
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 2: gonna try to create some chaos there to throw you

618
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: off tilt with your offensive front. Green Bay has to

619
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: stay disciplined in that way, and they have to execute

620
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: the big plays and the explosive plays when they're available.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I like what you said about finishing games

622
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: because because we have seen this Packers team in twenty

623
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: twenty five be very much jeckle and hide when it

624
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: comes to crunch time. I mean, we saw this team,

625
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they execute, they execute and convert

626
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: the massive fourth down at the end of the game

627
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: in Detroit on Thanksgiving to get a huge win. You

628
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: go back the week before that, you have gotta have

629
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: it touchdown drive against the Giants late in the fourth quarter.

630
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: You get it, and then the defense gets the interception

631
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: to seal the game. That's crunched time play. The first

632
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: game against the Bears, the Bears had rallied and tied

633
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: the game, Jordan Love put together a drive. You go

634
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: down the field, you get the go ahead touchdown, and

635
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: then what do you do on the other end, You

636
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: get the interception that seals it. That's crunch time football.

637
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: But by the same token we have seen We've seen

638
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: this team, you know, blow the multi score leads late

639
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: against Cleveland and now against the Bears. Where the crunch time,

640
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: the crunch time execution on both sides of the ball,

641
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: all three phases, if you want to call it, that

642
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,719
Speaker 1: wasn't there. And yeah, this you know you mentioned before

643
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: and I'm going on a little bit of a tangent here,

644
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: but you mentioned before about how you know this Packers

645
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: team hasn't been handled by anybody you look at. I

646
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: believe and you can correct me if I'm wrong. I

647
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: believe the Packers have only been down by more than

648
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: one score once all season, and it was against Arizonas

649
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Speaker 1: on the road, and they actually then were able to

650
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Speaker 1: come back and win that game. Because the other largest

651
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: deficit that they have faced was the eight points against Denver,

652
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: which technically is one possession because you can get a

653
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: touchdown on a two point conversion to tie the score.

654
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Speaker 1: So you haven't faced You've only faced one multi score

655
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 1: deficit all season, but yet you've let a couple of

656
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: multi score leads late in the game get away, and

657
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: that's why you're sitting here at nine to five and

658
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: one instead of in a better position to win the

659
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: NFC North than looking at the upper seeds as opposed

660
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: to just hey, all right, one more win and get

661
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: a wild card and then see how it falls. So

662
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of where they are.

663
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an excellent point, Mike. I look at Green

664
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: Bay right now as a team that should probably be

665
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 2: sitting on eleven wins this season.

666
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is what it is.

667
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Speaker 2: So but but the other aspect of it too, that

668
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 2: that I look for in this matchup that is just

669
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,479
Speaker 2: going to be incredible to watch and see exactly how

670
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: this plays out is every team has dealt with injuries,

671
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 2: every team has dealt with adversity. Talked about the Tampa

672
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: Bay Buccaneers, the free fall that they've been on and

673
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: now they're behind Caroline after being a team that looked

674
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: like was going to be not just a division champion,

675
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: but potentially an NFC favorite. The season takes different courses

676
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: in different turns, and you have to be able to

677
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: adjust to that throughout the course of the year. I

678
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: think green Bay Buy and Large has done a good

679
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: job that all the frustrations are based on what was

680
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 2: still left out there for them. Yes, and when you

681
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: think back to last year, and I love that you

682
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: brought this up because one of the areas I felt

683
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 2: like Green Bay was great in. And then generally speaking

684
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: they've been really good in this under Matt la floor.

685
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Speaker 2: But specifically last year was when Josh Jacobs had that

686
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: breakout year. Their for minuted offense was so good it's

687
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: probably the best I've ever covered. They could drain the

688
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: clock with their offense, and this year they've not been

689
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 2: able to do that. They've had too many three and

690
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: outs in the second half. There's been too many times

691
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: where there's been a turnover things of that nature. Green

692
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: Bay's had to have some hero plays like the Dantavian

693
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 2: Wicks wanted to get out of that situation and to

694
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 2: try yep, and some gutsy calls from Matt Lafloor, but

695
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 2: they haven't been able to drain the clock the same way.

696
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: That is going to have to change, And regardless of

697
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 2: how Josh Jacobs is feeling, if it's not Josh, it's

698
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 2: gonna have to be Manuelson. The Packers have to find

699
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: a way to shorten these games. And another huge test

700
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:19,959
Speaker 2: lies in front of them in the Baltimore Ravens, because

701
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: the Ravens are going to be looking to really turn

702
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Speaker 2: this thing up.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing yeah, the Ravens have everything on the line

704
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: in this one on Saturday Night. One last thing before

705
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 1: we go, just taking a look at the other games

706
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: that would have some implications related to the Packers as

707
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,800
Speaker 1: far as Week seventeen starts right away on Thursday. On

708
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 1: Christmas Day, Detroit is at Minnesota. If Minnesota can actually

709
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: beat the Lions and give the Lions a third straight loss,

710
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: the Packers would clinch their playoff spot before they even

711
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: play on Saturday. Now, if the Lions win, then the

712
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: Packers would still need to get one more win to

713
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. But I mean, this one kind of

714
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: all hinges on whether JJ McCarthy plays or if the

715
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Speaker 1: Vikings have to turn to Max Brosmer, whose first career

716
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: start earlier this season in Seattle was about as big

717
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: a disasters as you know I think I've seen in

718
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: the NFL this year, quite frankly. So we'll see what

719
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: happens there, But gives Packers fans something to root for

720
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: on Christmas Day. You root for the Vikings to knock

721
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Speaker 1: off the Lions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my thought on this would be and if Brozemer plays,

723
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Speaker 2: Brosmer plays, I think then Brosman should play the rest

724
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Speaker 2: of the year. To be honest with you, I think

725
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 2: I mean if JJ McCarthy like this JJ McCarthy thing man,

726
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: like the ankle injury that took him out for four weeks,

727
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, are we healthy are we not healthy?

728
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: Yeah?

729
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: I mean I get that you're injured, but are you

730
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 2: healthy or not healthy? It always comes back to that.

731
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: So if he doesn't go against the Lions, I think

732
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,280
Speaker 2: that would be an interesting decision then for him suddenly

733
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 2: to play against Green Bay and what for them wouldn't

734
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,360
Speaker 2: be a meaningful game. So we'll see exactly how that

735
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: shakes out. But yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting. It's

736
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting to see how the Lions bounce back

737
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 2: because that was a devastating loss. I don't think I

738
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: know A lot was made in their locker room afterwards

739
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: about the two opis on the final possession, and I joked,

740
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: I wrote this an inbox and I took it out.

741
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Speaker 2: But it's like, I've watched enough Amen Ross Saint Brown football,

742
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: oh to know that that's offensive pass interference. Yes, is

743
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: the way the guy plays the position.

744
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: Yes, it is what it is.

745
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: So he got called on it. You know again, sometimes

746
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 2: he eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you. It

747
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 2: didn't work out. I think the crazy thing about it

748
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 2: was the fact that that play didn't get blown dead

749
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: right away. That actually let that was ability happen.

750
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Speaker 1: That was the crazy thing to me is that is

751
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: that Carl Scheffer's crew both of those offensive pass interference

752
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: calls at the end of the game, they got him right.

753
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 2: They got them right.

754
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: And the first one, which was on the pick play

755
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: over on the right side, of the field. They had

756
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: called the Steelers for exactly the same thing, which forced

757
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: the Steelers earlier in the second half to kick a

758
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: field goal as opposed to getting a touchdown. So they

759
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Speaker 1: then they did call it on the Lions with the

760
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: game on the line. The Aman Ross Saint Brown shove

761
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: off was like as obvious as it gets. And you

762
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: know the way he plays the game and how we

763
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: have seen against the Packers but against other teams as well.

764
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: At crunch time, he feels like he's just gonna get

765
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 1: away with it, that they're not going to throw the flag.

766
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: So he did it again at the goal line. You

767
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: just shoved the guy out of the way. Credit to

768
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: Scheffer's crew, they threw the flag, but they completely botched

769
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: the fact that that play should not have been ruled

770
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Speaker 1: a touchdown that needed to be nullified by the penalty,

771
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Speaker 1: because my gosh, they had it. They had the forward

772
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: progress was stopped for like five seconds, four yards and supposedly,

773
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: I mean, and that's the thing, and again we don't

774
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: have time to go off on this big tangent. But

775
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: as you just said, they shoved him back like four

776
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: yards before he laterals the ball to the quarterback. But

777
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Speaker 1: if the defender had like slammed him to the ground

778
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: to make sure the play was over, it's fifteens, you know,

779
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: we're half the distance, and then they're gonna get an

780
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: untimed down with no time on the clock. I mean,

781
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: what do the officials want here? Are you gonna let

782
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: the play go? But then you're gonna let the play

783
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: go that shouldn't go. But then if the def if

784
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: you're making the defense slam the guy on the ground

785
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: to make sure that the play is over, You're gonna

786
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: flag him for a personal file. Like the NFL has

787
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: got it, and I gotta stop because otherwise I'm gonna

788
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: go off and our producer Hannah is going to say

789
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 1: the show is way too long. The NFL has got

790
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: to get a handle on what they want to do

791
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: with their officials here. It's getting ridiculous. And that play,

792
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: that last play of the Lion Steelers game was as

793
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: ridiculous as it gets.

794
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it just even be in that position, h again,

795
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 2: it just there was so much of that game, Mike,

796
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: I'm watching, So I promised I was not gonna watch

797
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: that game.

798
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: I actually said I couldn't turn I couldn't turn away

799
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: when I saw the highlight when I saw the highlight

800
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: of Kenneth Gainwell making that catch because I didn't see

801
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: it live, but when I saw the highlight of Gainwell

802
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: making that catch on the ground at the end of

803
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: the first half and getting up and going into the

804
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: end zone to get the game tied at halftime for

805
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers, I was like, because I was actually at

806
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Speaker 1: my desk and I was finishing up some work on Sunday,

807
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: and then I was like, all right, I got to

808
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 1: go home and watch the second half now because this

809
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: game is tied. So I did, and then I just

810
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: got all worked up about the officiating at the end.

811
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Speaker 2: And I just there was something about coming off of

812
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: that Packers game that it was too raw for me.

813
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: I mean, if the Lions would have found a way

814
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: to win that would have been a really hard one

815
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: to see.

816
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: Oh but.

817
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 2: The fact is they didn't. The fact is is that

818
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, Kenneth Gainwell, who I give a lot of

819
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Speaker 2: credit for, I mean the way that he has kind

820
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: of rescued his career and found second life in Pittsburgh,

821
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: And it was these games always go down to the wire,

822
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: it feels like, and in that particular case, the Steelers

823
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 2: did the Packers a huge favor and now we'll find

824
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 2: out on Saturday night if the Packers can pay their

825
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: old friend Aaron Rodgers back as well.

826
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, who's throwing the ball the Mark wez

827
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: Veldez scantling, Adam Thielen and Sky Miller to keep the

828
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers and his and with his number one receiver

829
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: now suspended for two games and probably you know, out

830
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: until a potential playoff game. I want to get your

831
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: thoughts on a couple other things. And I know we're

832
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: going really overtime here, but Philadelphia at Buffalo a very

833
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 1: interesting game in week seventeen. The Eagles, they've already clinched

834
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: the NFC East, but they're jockeying for the seating position.

835
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 1: And and the Buffalo Bills a real dangerous team obviously.

836
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: And then on Sunday night football Chicago at San Francisco.

837
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: San Francisco, to me, is the most dangerous team right

838
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: now that nobody's talking about. And if you're from the Packers' perspective,

839
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: here's the thing. Beat the Ravens on Saturday night. Cheer

840
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: for the Niners to beat the Bears on Sunday night,

841
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: and the Packers go into Week eighteen with a chance

842
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: to still win the division. So you know that it's

843
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: it's one way to look at it.

844
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 2: Yes, you are one hundred percent right. You also are

845
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,800
Speaker 2: going to have a Detroit Lions team with absolutely nothing

846
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 2: to play for in that finale, but you are right,

847
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:05,280
Speaker 2: maybe they can do it for pride.

848
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell would never let a team roll over. I'll

849
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: just say that I know that they are and they're

850
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: banged up is all get out.

851
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: But but but I'm trying to be with you on

852
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: that one, okay, because other people have brought this up too. Well,

853
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 2: if the Packers went out and the Bears lose out,

854
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but by the Packers winning out, that

855
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,280
Speaker 2: also makes Week eighteen meaningless for the for the Lions.

856
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,240
Speaker 2: But they've they've come through before. They did it against

857
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: the Packers a couple of years ago, so sure did.

858
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: But all that being said, like this is what we're

859
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: learning now about the Chicago Bears. They are facing a

860
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: gauntlet of really strong football teams, and brock Purty is

861
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: healthy again. Brock Purty was exceptional against Indianapolis. I mean,

862
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: he was surgical the way that he tore apart that

863
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 2: Colts defense. This looks to me again, it's just the

864
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,919
Speaker 2: way these things go with Kyle Shanahan's teams. Some years

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Speaker 2: they're healthy, some years they're not. But my goodness, when

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Speaker 2: like if it's a odd year, they're off and running.

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Speaker 2: And that west Man when you look at Seahawks rams

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers and it's probably gonna take thirteen wins

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Speaker 2: to come out with that division title and that number

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Speaker 2: one seed.

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Speaker 1: And the Seahawks and forty nine Ers play each other

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Speaker 1: in the finale in Week eighteen, too.

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Speaker 2: All to play for it. Yeah, but yeah, go go

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers and see where it takes you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, well I think we covered it all

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Speaker 1: in a rambling sort of way. Yea episode and yeah

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Speaker 1: we went off on various tangents. Thanks for handing with us, folks.

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Speaker 2: This is not the week got you know, thankfully it's Christmas.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for it, but this was not the week

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Speaker 2: to have to like try to compartmentalize everything into world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I know so much stuff that now there's too much,

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Speaker 1: too much, But we managed to get through.

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Speaker 2: I never even got around complaining about how a taunting

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Speaker 2: penalty can help get you thrown out of the game.

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Speaker 2: But if you have two roughing the passer, I know

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Speaker 2: twenty one minutes, you're fine.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I know and I and I skipped and

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Speaker 1: I skipped that part because I wasn't even to get

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Speaker 1: into these And then we started talking about the Lions game,

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Speaker 1: and you got it. I got going on the officials again.

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Speaker 2: So don't don't do this. You'll be won away from

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Speaker 2: a disqualification. But if I throw my forehead into your chin, Michael.

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Speaker 1: Or a forearm shiver into a sliding quarterback, you know,

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Speaker 1: and at fifteen yards, but yeah, you're you're good. You

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Speaker 1: can continue your head hunting.

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Speaker 2: Player safety eighteen regular season games.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to call it a rap

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Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscript. We'd be sure to

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Speaker 1: follow all of our coverage of Saturday nights big game

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Speaker 1: from lambeau Field, Packers and Ravens. We will have it

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Speaker 1: all for you on Packers dot com for Wes, I

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Speaker 1: am Mike. Thank you for tuning in, and Merry Christmas everybody.

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Speaker 1: We will see you next time.