WEBVTT - EXCLUSIVE: The Valley's Jesse Lally “Boys Chat” with Carlos King 0:00:01.480 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:08.039 the King of Reality TV and one of the most 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:12.719 sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.840 years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.319 the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:24.680 entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:30.280 moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 0:00:30.360 --> 0:00:33.440 rain Drops, of today's episode of Reality with the King, 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.080 we are going to talk about the best show that 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:40.159 is out right now. When I say to you, rain Drops, 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.559 I am obsessed with this show and I know you. 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:45.320 Guys are too. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:50.720 So what better way to kick off my weekly Yes 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.680 you heard that right, my weekly recap of the Valley. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.640 We're gonna kick things off with the Man, the myth, 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:01.760 the messy legend, who. 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.160 I am also obsessed with. Give it up, y'all for. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.280 Jesse, Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:10.240 super excited. 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.039 You know, Spencer speaks very highly of you, and I 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.479 know that you have a very deep background in this world. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.920 So my real question is how am I doing so far? 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:24.400 Oh? 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:27.200 I mean, I'm making in trouble for saying this, And 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:30.839 I do not like getting in trouble, but I mean, Jesse, 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:34.880 you keep the party going, my brother, like you now 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.399 listen without Jesse, like what. 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:39.160 Would be happening. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.440 But I would like to ask you one personal request. Sure, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.400 can I be the twenty third person in the boys 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:48.960 group chat? 0:01:50.920 --> 0:01:53.840 Well, you know, sadly with the Boys Chat regardless of 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:58.920 what you hear, it started off a little dicey back 0:01:59.360 --> 0:02:02.920 when I first was indoctrinated into this chat. And now, 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:04.680 to be honest with you, some of the some of 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.639 the biggest playboys on the chat are sober, and it's 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:10.639 a lot of memes. It's a lot of One of 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:12.720 the guys on the on the Boys Chat this morning, 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.480 and I'll probably get in trouble for saying this told 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:18.239 Jax to do some grounding and take his shoes off 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:21.000 and go walk in the grass. So we've evolved over 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.160 time into more of a therapy session. Most of us 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.359 are now married. So while we would love to have 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.080 you are, we're currently full. 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:33.320 And taking waiting list applications. 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:36.800 Oh my god, it feels like ray a dating app 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.279 because I am still. 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:39.959 A waiting list at all live. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.480 I have Carlos King I don't people who are like 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:44.280 already in there. 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:46.720 So I'm on a waiting list for the boys chat 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:47.000 got it? 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.000 Listen, listen. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:50.640 I'm I tried to get into Soho House in twenty 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.519 seventeen and I still haven't heard from them. 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:53.760 So you you and I pull. 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.120 I don't know if the Valley is gonna help or 0:02:58.200 --> 0:02:59.800 hurt me get into Soho House. 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.160 Oh we'll see. I might have to throw in a 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:02.960 new application. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.800 And like the last one, I said, I was a poet, 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:07.480 So maybe that's why I didn't get in. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:07.920 I don't know. 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:13.560 Well, I will give you a referral because I'm a member. Okay, perfect, yes, no, no, 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.160 we'll make that happen. So I'm not only a member 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:18.720 of Sofa House, I'm a member of the Valley. I 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:21.480 used to live in Studio City, which is in close 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.840 proximity to the Valley. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:24.040 I have to. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:30.000 Say, Season two is starting off amazing, and I just 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.639 want to get right into a Jesse. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.320 Honestly, we know that you are going. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.400 Through this, you know, divorce with Michelle, and what we 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:41.960 saw in the premiere episode was the two of you 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:47.040 sort of navigating this life of co parenting. And what 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.960 we're seeing this season is the fact that you two 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.360 are not as as of episode three, you two are 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.000 not on the same page as relates to your relationship. 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:01.920 But I want to go backwards a little bit. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.000 Michelle's gorgeous and I know at one point in time 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:10.240 you Tube were imagine love. What would you say was 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:14.600 the number one cause of you and Michelle's relationship not 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:15.160 working out? 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:21.039 I think you know, in my experience, I feel like 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:25.320 having a child. We had Isabella April of twenty twenty. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.360 All of those classes like how to change diapers all 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:33.360 canceled at Cedar Sinai. We went into we went into 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.320 the hospital that morning and we were told by our doctor, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.120 which comes up quite a bit, not to go to 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.000 the hospital because they're going to send you away if 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.160 you're not ready ready to be admitted. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.160 And you know, a lot of first time parents get 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.480 a little nervous. And we waited and waited and wait. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.279 She was on the phone all night with her sister 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:53.560 in labor and we went to the hospital and they 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.680 actually did a COVID test at the elevators of the 0:04:57.680 --> 0:05:01.240 parking garage for both of us. Sent Usa sent me 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.360 back to the car, took her up the elevator, did 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:05.840 another test, then called me forty five minutes later and 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:07.960 they're like, all right, the time is now, And I 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:09.920 walked from my car back to the elevator and they 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:10.839 did another COVID test. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:12.080 So it was chaotic. 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:15.680 Uh, you know, we had Isabella at one am and 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:19.400 they made me leave after twenty minutes with her. And 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:22.039 from that point on, it was just all a new 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.440 world for all of us. And you know, there was 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.760 no grandma, grandpa. I thought I was getting lasagnas and 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:29.800 all kinds of stuff sent to the house, you know, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:30.640 from people. 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:32.760 There was none of that. There was no help, there 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:33.360 was no nothing. 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.520 So really, for the first four months of Isabella's life, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.719 it was Michelle and I in the house with no help, 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:42.599 no sleep, and we did our best. And I think 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:46.440 there is a there is sort of an isolation that 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.120 happened for everybody. But then Michelle and I had discussed 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:53.039 my go Michelle and I were business partners and she 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.479 was taking care of Isabella, so I went back to work. 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.719 And while everybody else felt isolated in this crazy world 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.880 that we living in, Michelle was even you know, isolated 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.479 to a hundredth degree. And I think that started putting 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:12.200 a lot of pressure on, you know, on the entire relationship, 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:14.520 you know what I mean, And it was difficult to 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:17.039 navigate that world. And if you were to ask me, 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.080 I think that was the start of our problems. It's 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:23.520 like we we couldn't have Grandma come take the baby 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.640 so we could have a date night, like we weren't. 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.840 No was having date nights, you know what I mean. 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.640 So I think that was really the start. 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:32.960 Do you really believe Michelle cheated on you? 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:39.240 I do, yes, Michelle actually admitted to me that she did. 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:42.799 I don't believe that it was Aaron. 0:06:43.560 --> 0:06:46.680 I've had long conversations with Aarin about this and you'll 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:50.320 see that play out in this season, but even off camera, 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.479 I've had conversations with Michelle and Aaron, and Michelle did 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.440 say that she had a situation a couple of years 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:58.680 ago with somebody. 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.280 But I also felt, like, you know. 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.160 Aaron saying multiple times and you know them talking about 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.880 it on Michelle's podcast, that they used to meet up. 0:07:08.920 --> 0:07:12.960 And you know, there's all different types of affairs, right 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.520 there's the physical affair that Michelle admitted to, but also 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.000 there's this emotional component where you know, Aaron and Michelle 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.360 talked about, you know, meeting up and having conversations about 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.200 relationships and stuff like that, and it basically put a 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:30.440 direct comparison between Michelle's relationship with me and what it 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.720 would be like with a relationship with Aaron. So, whether 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.240 it was physical or not, there's that emotional component that 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.880 I think, you know, and look, was it my fault 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:41.800 for driving her away? 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:43.720 Yeah? You know. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:47.240 Was it her fault for finding solace in the arms 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:49.920 or the mind of somebody else. Yeah, But you know, 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.040 at this point, she's super happy. They live together now. 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:57.640 Isabella loves it over there. She loves him, and you know, 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.200 at the end of the day, we are doing this 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:02.800 right now, but there's going to be a point, and 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.440 I've tried a few times that we will all be 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.440 friends at some point, you know what I mean. And 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.640 I wish them the best. She's very happy. He's a 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:14.760 lot different than me. So, yes, I think she cheated. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:15.840 Does it matter now? 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:20.080 No? Well, it's interesting you say that he's a lot 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:24.200 different than you, because in the first episode Michelle did 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.480 say she never had the feeling of you being a 0:08:27.560 --> 0:08:32.720 genuine person with heart, which that was a gut punch 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.840 to me. So as the You know, you guys were married, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.319 so obviously she loved your enough to marry you. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.559 You are the father of your beautiful daughter. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:46.040 To hear your soon to be ex wife say that 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:49.000 she never had the feeling you were a genuine person 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:51.960 with heart, Well, did that hurt you to hear her 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:52.400 say that? 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:53.840 Yeah? 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.800 But you know what's she's hurt right now, and she's hurting, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.840 and you know, she's going through something not only with 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.880 our relationship, but the passing of her mother, which was difficult, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.880 you know for her and the family and stuff like that. 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.200 It was difficult for Isabella. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.720 She she's struggling, and you know, I get where you 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:17.000 know where she's coming from, because when you go through 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.160 the situation, you go through a divorce and separation, rarely 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.040 do you remember the good times. You only remember the 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:27.359 worst possible times, and you remember it in the emotional 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:28.800 state that you're in at that moment. 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:29.920 Right and right. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.320 Now we are butting heads and she's trying to win, 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.240 and then I'm trying to win, and then it's like 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:39.640 this right, one after another after another, and you know, 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.520 for her to say that I wasn't genuine, you know, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.080 I love to tell a story she had never been 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:48.600 to Europe, and I take her to Mastro's for her 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:52.680 birthday or no, for for our anniversary. And her birthday 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.680 was a few weeks later, and I hind her a 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:58.080 card and it's plane tickets to Paris. And she told 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:01.160 me a story that a couple months prior, we were 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:04.120 in Capri, and she said she cried on the flight 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:07.319 home and she bought a dress for every night because 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.360 she knows I love Capri. She thought I was gonna propose. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.560 She didn't know that I had a ring for six months. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.960 Wanted to take her to Paris, which was her dream. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:17.880 Gave her the tickets to Paris, set the whole thing 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:21.560 up with Ritz Paris way ahead of time. It was 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.320 her birthday celebration, so we celebrated her birthday the next day. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:26.640 I proposed at Ritz Paris. 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.400 So if she says that, you know, I was never 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.959 genuine and never you know, loving, you know, I fail 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.560 to believe that that's you know, it just isn't true. 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.040 But she's in this state right now where she only 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:41.760 remembers the bad. 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:47.040 Uh Okay, So Jesse, I don't feel bad anymore because 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:54.800 I listen, You're I fired you very likable, right, I 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:58.360 could be the minority of the situation. But we'll get 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.960 to the watch what happens Paul in this second where 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.680 it was like, are you team Michelle or team. 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.040 Jesse spoiler alert Jesse one. 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:11.400 But I will say I find you very likable, so 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.400 the fact that I heard that story, Look, you have 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:21.040 done some asshole things right, and listen, I do feel 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:23.000 like you own up to it. You owned up to 0:11:23.080 --> 0:11:24.920 being a whore back in the day, you know what 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.400 I mean. I do feel like you own up to 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:30.559 your shit. So I will give you that when I 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.840 when I watch you on the show, I feel like 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:39.440 you're somebody that loves hard and I do feel like 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.880 Michelle is hurt and I like Michelle a lot too. 0:11:43.640 --> 0:11:46.320 And when you talk about how you too are budding hits, 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:51.400 what my experience is for producing reality television is hurt. 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:55.520 People hurt each other. And I do feel like. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.680 There's there is something genuine about you that makes you 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.880 very likable to the audience to. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.720 The point where you won the poll and you also 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:09.120 won you know, the place of the girls. 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:12.360 In this most recent episode to where she's like, I 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:13.600 mean we're going this trip. 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:16.560 I mean, like, who side are you on and low key? 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.640 They're on your side? So do you feel like this show, 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.359 unfortunately dealing with your marital. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.640 Woes, do you feel like it has villainized her character? 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.120 I mean, look, you love hard, you fall hard, right, 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:35.200 you just said it. You know, you know I love 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:38.920 and I and I'm loyal and I like almost to 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:39.440 a fault. 0:12:39.600 --> 0:12:43.400 Right, So you love hard, you fall hard, And you. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.360 Know this this season of the show, you know, I 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:51.319 was I was very I don't know how to be inauthentic, 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.200 and I think I was very authentic and I think 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:57.720 it it resonated with people towards the end of season one. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.560 And I continue to do a lot of work after 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.760 Michelle and I separated, and you know, Michelle asked me 0:13:03.760 --> 0:13:05.280 to make a lot of changes. 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:07.120 And I didn't do what she needed me to do. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.160 And you know, then I thought like, well should I 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.880 change for Isabella? And then I figured, why don't I 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.760 start working on myself and if I can even grow 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.640 five percent seven percent? And I started to reflect on 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.160 those things, and it's one of the reasons why Kristin 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:24.120 and I have become so close and why we were 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.959 able to, you know, have that conversation at my house 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:30.840 at the beginning of season two is because you start 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:33.600 to reflect on you know, when you decide to make 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:37.240 the changes on your own, that's that's when it becomes true. 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:39.120 Like I couldn't make it for Michelle because I didn't 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.560 want to. Then I decided to make it, you know, 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.680 on my own. And yeah, look, five percent of growth 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.080 is nothing. So I'm still gonna be that Jesse with 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:51.319 the crass, sarcastic humor that doesn't fly all the time. 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:55.880 I have a real lack of self awareness. I have 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:59.080 a real lack of social situations. You know, you can 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:00.840 crack a joke to one and that'll laugh, and the 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.280 other person will, you know, slap you in the face. Right, 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:06.520 So it's all about continuing the work. 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.160 Well, look, you are doing the work. Yeah. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:12.000 No, I was just gonna say, like, you know, you know, 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:13.920 you've been in this world a long time, right, you 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:15.719 can't be the villain without being the hero, and you 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.080 can't be the hero without being the villain because people 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.560 respond to to the arc. Right, So one day you're 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:24.360 gonna be good, one day you're gonna be bad. And 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:28.480 I think you'll see in season two I get real 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:32.000 bad and then I get good and then I get bad. 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:34.760 And I think, you know, the the amazing part of 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.440 this show, and especially this season, is you'll see the 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.360 villain and hero and almost every single person in our group. 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.920 If you had to say, when you look at the 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.320 overall season, obviously you taped it, and I know you 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:54.680 guys are about to fill the reunion, who would you 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.640 say is the ultimate villain this season? 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.280 And who is the ultimate hero this. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.760 I will tell you that I think by the end 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:09.680 of the season you will see that everybody gets resolution. So, 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.040 like I said, there's a villain and hero. But and look, 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:17.760 we still spend a lot of time together. I was 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.120 on the phone with Jason and then Janet jumped on 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:21.600 for an hour the other night. I was on the 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.960 phone with Jacks this morning for thirty minutes. I talked 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.120 to Jasmine for hours. I talked to Kristen and Luke, 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.400 and you know, I think you'll see ups and downs 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:34.720 and lefts and rights, but you'll finally see resolution where 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.320 I wouldn't be surprised if it like it ends with 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.560 dot dot dot two be continued, you know, because there's 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.360 a lot of surprises, there's a lot of fun, and look, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.480 we got babies coming, We got weddings coming. You know, eventually, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.440 whether it ends with resolution, it will get there. 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.720 So you talk about speaking to Jack this morning. 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:58.880 What we did see in last week's episode was a 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:02.440 very powerful scene where you know, he and Brittany spoke 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:07.520 about his addiction and him checking himselfing to rehab. You 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:11.120 spoke to him today for thirty minutes. How is Jack's doing? 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:13.680 Jax is, He's doing really well. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:19.520 And you know, I reminded him today that you know, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.360 you know this world, right, you live it, you film it, 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.400 then you have to live it again eight nine months later, right, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.960 And we talk quite a bit about, you know, things 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.360 that we see on the show and comments that are 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.200 made and stuff like that. And I reminded Jacks this morning, 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:40.560 you are not the same person you were nine months ago. 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:42.880 You are one hundred and eighty days or one hundred 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.440 and sixty days sober, You are thirty five pounds of 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.800 solid muscle. The guy only eats chicken breast and hamburger 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:54.160 patties every day all day. So I'm like, just remember 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:57.120 who you are today because it's different. 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:59.240 Than you were nine months ago, and just. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.760 Start to and grow, you know, every day, like when 0:17:03.760 --> 0:17:05.880 he went into that facility the first time, he came 0:17:05.880 --> 0:17:09.560 out with just a few tools, and the work wasn't 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:10.399 in the facility. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.679 The work was getting the tools to continue the work. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.320 And unfortunately for Jacks, I knew he was doing the 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:19.600 work in terms of his mental health, but his physical health. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:24.240 The drinking the drugs was the reason he recognized it, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.840 because mentally he was strong. He recognized it after another 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.200 month or two that he needed to go into rehab 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:31.160 for drugs and alcohol. 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:32.400 And now coming out of. 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.159 That second rehab and you know, doing the work by 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.280 going to AA meetings and doing the work by continuing, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:41.840 you know, talking to me and talking to his friends 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:45.920 and stuff like that, I really think he's he has 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:51.040 an opportunity to become Jason Kouchi instead. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:51.399 Of Jax Taylor. 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.000 That's a powerful statement. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:55.480 That's what I ended the conversation with this morning. 0:17:57.119 --> 0:17:57.359 Child. 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:11.560 We are just getting started. This is reality with the 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.480 King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well, 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.760 your ex has said in this most recent episode. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.440 That you are far worse than Jack's. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:29.680 Jacks has been seen as somebody that you know, supposedly 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:34.560 you know, is verbally mean to Brittany called, you know, 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:38.240 fast shames her allegedly, he has denied it. A lot 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.240 of people have said they've seen the text messages and 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.679 they've seen what he's done. You know, Jacks is a 0:18:42.680 --> 0:18:47.520 polarizing figure, but he also has receipts based on you know, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.479 the shows he's been on where his behavior isn't the 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.480 most peachy keen. So based on all of that narrative, 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.920 prior to your conversation today, when your ex wife said 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.399 that you are far more worse than Jack's, how do 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:01.560 you feel about that comment? 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:10.119 It's Michelle's experience, right, you know what she's referring to, Like, 0:19:10.359 --> 0:19:13.879 I don't know, but Michelle's experience, what Michelle's going through 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.520 might feel or seem worse than what Brittney's going through, 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:21.600 what anybody going through a divorce or you know, having 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.760 a partner. I think it's it just comes down to 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:31.160 everybody's individual experience, right. And Michelle, like I said, she's hurting, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.200 and what her experience is is like, look. 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:34.920 I know my fault. 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:37.480 You know, I know that I can be condescending. Michelle 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.960 and I work together, and you know there was there 0:19:41.040 --> 0:19:44.720 was there wasn't a hierarchy in our business. But again, 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.399 it's like when you're fighting over a deal. Sometimes it's 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:49.919 hard to meet up in the kitchen and give her 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:51.400 a hug and a kiss, you know what I mean. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:55.199 So it's it's all in the experience for anybody. So 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:59.640 whatever Michelle says about me, again, it's you know, it's 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.960 her own experience, and I can't invalidate that experience. 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:06.439 I can only I can only trust my experience. 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:10.720 She said that you don't provide any financial support. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:11.960 She did multiple times. 0:20:12.000 --> 0:20:14.160 I think, yeah, is that true. 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:15.800 Yeah, you know, I don't. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.720 I don't love to talk about and I wish Michelle 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.440 felt the same way to talk about personal and private 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.480 financial matters. But I will say, and I've said it 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:26.639 over and over again, Michelle and I were fifty to 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.399 fifty business partners. And the real estate business as a 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.680 whole in LA has been very bad for the last 0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.240 few years. But Michelle and I were fifty to fifty 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:41.000 business partners, so if our business was hurting, we both 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.720 share fault fifty to fifty. And in terms of our finances, 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:49.280 Michelle had one hundred percent access to all of our accounts, 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.560 you know, from the credit union to the credit cards, 0:20:51.560 --> 0:20:53.160 to the savings accounts, checking accounts. 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:54.480 Michelle had access to all of that. 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.960 So again, if there was spending and stuff like that, 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.600 like she had just as much of a fault as. 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:05.640 I did because she had complete control over that. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.159 So you know, when she says things like that, it 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:13.280 kind of hurts me because, yeah, there's no child support 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:17.399