Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings,
Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most
Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten
Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with
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Speaker 1: rain Drops, of today's episode of Reality with the King,
Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the best show that
Speaker 1: is out right now. When I say to you, rain Drops,
Speaker 1: I am obsessed with this show and I know you.
Speaker 2: Guys are too.
Speaker 1: So what better way to kick off my weekly Yes
Speaker 1: you heard that right, my weekly recap of the Valley.
Speaker 1: We're gonna kick things off with the Man, the myth,
Speaker 1: the messy legend, who.
Speaker 2: I am also obsessed with. Give it up, y'all for.
Speaker 3: Jesse, Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm
Speaker 3: super excited.
Speaker 4: You know, Spencer speaks very highly of you, and I
Speaker 4: know that you have a very deep background in this world.
Speaker 3: So my real question is how am I doing so far?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm making in trouble for saying this, And
Speaker 1: I do not like getting in trouble, but I mean, Jesse,
Speaker 1: you keep the party going, my brother, like you now
Speaker 1: listen without Jesse, like what.
Speaker 2: Would be happening.
Speaker 1: But I would like to ask you one personal request. Sure,
Speaker 1: can I be the twenty third person in the boys
Speaker 1: group chat?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, sadly with the Boys Chat regardless of
Speaker 4: what you hear, it started off a little dicey back
Speaker 4: when I first was indoctrinated into this chat. And now,
Speaker 4: to be honest with you, some of the some of
Speaker 4: the biggest playboys on the chat are sober, and it's
Speaker 4: a lot of memes. It's a lot of One of
Speaker 4: the guys on the on the Boys Chat this morning,
Speaker 4: and I'll probably get in trouble for saying this told
Speaker 4: Jax to do some grounding and take his shoes off
Speaker 4: and go walk in the grass. So we've evolved over
Speaker 4: time into more of a therapy session. Most of us
Speaker 4: are now married. So while we would love to have
Speaker 4: you are, we're currently full.
Speaker 3: And taking waiting list applications.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it feels like ray a dating app
Speaker 1: because I am still.
Speaker 2: A waiting list at all live.
Speaker 1: I have Carlos King I don't people who are like
Speaker 1: already in there.
Speaker 2: So I'm on a waiting list for the boys chat
Speaker 2: got it?
Speaker 3: Listen, listen.
Speaker 4: I'm I tried to get into Soho House in twenty
Speaker 4: seventeen and I still haven't heard from them.
Speaker 3: So you you and I pull.
Speaker 4: I don't know if the Valley is gonna help or
Speaker 4: hurt me get into Soho House.
Speaker 3: Oh we'll see. I might have to throw in a
Speaker 3: new application.
Speaker 4: And like the last one, I said, I was a poet,
Speaker 4: So maybe that's why I didn't get in.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, I will give you a referral because I'm a member. Okay, perfect, yes, no, no,
Speaker 1: we'll make that happen. So I'm not only a member
Speaker 1: of Sofa House, I'm a member of the Valley. I
Speaker 1: used to live in Studio City, which is in close
Speaker 1: proximity to the Valley.
Speaker 2: I have to.
Speaker 1: Say, Season two is starting off amazing, and I just
Speaker 1: want to get right into a Jesse.
Speaker 2: Honestly, we know that you are going.
Speaker 1: Through this, you know, divorce with Michelle, and what we
Speaker 1: saw in the premiere episode was the two of you
Speaker 1: sort of navigating this life of co parenting. And what
Speaker 1: we're seeing this season is the fact that you two
Speaker 1: are not as as of episode three, you two are
Speaker 1: not on the same page as relates to your relationship.
Speaker 2: But I want to go backwards a little bit.
Speaker 1: Michelle's gorgeous and I know at one point in time
Speaker 1: you Tube were imagine love. What would you say was
Speaker 1: the number one cause of you and Michelle's relationship not
Speaker 1: working out?
Speaker 4: I think you know, in my experience, I feel like
Speaker 4: having a child. We had Isabella April of twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: All of those classes like how to change diapers all
Speaker 4: canceled at Cedar Sinai. We went into we went into
Speaker 4: the hospital that morning and we were told by our doctor,
Speaker 4: which comes up quite a bit, not to go to
Speaker 4: the hospital because they're going to send you away if
Speaker 4: you're not ready ready to be admitted.
Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of first time parents get
Speaker 3: a little nervous. And we waited and waited and wait.
Speaker 4: She was on the phone all night with her sister
Speaker 4: in labor and we went to the hospital and they
Speaker 4: actually did a COVID test at the elevators of the
Speaker 4: parking garage for both of us. Sent Usa sent me
Speaker 4: back to the car, took her up the elevator, did
Speaker 4: another test, then called me forty five minutes later and
Speaker 4: they're like, all right, the time is now, And I
Speaker 4: walked from my car back to the elevator and they
Speaker 4: did another COVID test.
Speaker 3: So it was chaotic.
Speaker 4: Uh, you know, we had Isabella at one am and
Speaker 4: they made me leave after twenty minutes with her. And
Speaker 4: from that point on, it was just all a new
Speaker 4: world for all of us. And you know, there was
Speaker 4: no grandma, grandpa. I thought I was getting lasagnas and
Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff sent to the house, you know,
Speaker 4: from people.
Speaker 3: There was none of that. There was no help, there
Speaker 3: was no nothing.
Speaker 4: So really, for the first four months of Isabella's life,
Speaker 4: it was Michelle and I in the house with no help,
Speaker 4: no sleep, and we did our best. And I think
Speaker 4: there is a there is sort of an isolation that
Speaker 4: happened for everybody. But then Michelle and I had discussed
Speaker 4: my go Michelle and I were business partners and she
Speaker 4: was taking care of Isabella, so I went back to work.
Speaker 4: And while everybody else felt isolated in this crazy world
Speaker 4: that we living in, Michelle was even you know, isolated
Speaker 4: to a hundredth degree. And I think that started putting
Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on, you know, on the entire relationship,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And it was difficult to
Speaker 4: navigate that world. And if you were to ask me,
Speaker 4: I think that was the start of our problems. It's
Speaker 4: like we we couldn't have Grandma come take the baby
Speaker 4: so we could have a date night, like we weren't.
Speaker 3: No was having date nights, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I think that was really the start.
Speaker 2: Do you really believe Michelle cheated on you?
Speaker 4: I do, yes, Michelle actually admitted to me that she did.
Speaker 3: I don't believe that it was Aaron.
Speaker 4: I've had long conversations with Aarin about this and you'll
Speaker 4: see that play out in this season, but even off camera,
Speaker 4: I've had conversations with Michelle and Aaron, and Michelle did
Speaker 4: say that she had a situation a couple of years
Speaker 4: ago with somebody.
Speaker 3: But I also felt, like, you know.
Speaker 4: Aaron saying multiple times and you know them talking about
Speaker 4: it on Michelle's podcast, that they used to meet up.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's all different types of affairs, right
Speaker 4: there's the physical affair that Michelle admitted to, but also
Speaker 4: there's this emotional component where you know, Aaron and Michelle
Speaker 4: talked about, you know, meeting up and having conversations about
Speaker 4: relationships and stuff like that, and it basically put a
Speaker 4: direct comparison between Michelle's relationship with me and what it
Speaker 4: would be like with a relationship with Aaron. So, whether
Speaker 4: it was physical or not, there's that emotional component that
Speaker 4: I think, you know, and look, was it my fault
Speaker 4: for driving her away?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know.
Speaker 4: Was it her fault for finding solace in the arms
Speaker 4: or the mind of somebody else. Yeah, But you know,
Speaker 4: at this point, she's super happy. They live together now.
Speaker 4: Isabella loves it over there. She loves him, and you know,
Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we are doing this
Speaker 4: right now, but there's going to be a point, and
Speaker 4: I've tried a few times that we will all be
Speaker 4: friends at some point, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 4: I wish them the best. She's very happy. He's a
Speaker 4: lot different than me. So, yes, I think she cheated.
Speaker 4: Does it matter now?
Speaker 1: No? Well, it's interesting you say that he's a lot
Speaker 1: different than you, because in the first episode Michelle did
Speaker 1: say she never had the feeling of you being a
Speaker 1: genuine person with heart, which that was a gut punch
Speaker 1: to me. So as the You know, you guys were married,
Speaker 1: so obviously she loved your enough to marry you.
Speaker 2: You are the father of your beautiful daughter.
Speaker 1: To hear your soon to be ex wife say that
Speaker 1: she never had the feeling you were a genuine person
Speaker 1: with heart, Well, did that hurt you to hear her
Speaker 1: say that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: But you know what's she's hurt right now, and she's hurting,
Speaker 4: and you know, she's going through something not only with
Speaker 4: our relationship, but the passing of her mother, which was difficult,
Speaker 4: you know for her and the family and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It was difficult for Isabella.
Speaker 4: She she's struggling, and you know, I get where you
Speaker 4: know where she's coming from, because when you go through
Speaker 4: the situation, you go through a divorce and separation, rarely
Speaker 4: do you remember the good times. You only remember the
Speaker 4: worst possible times, and you remember it in the emotional
Speaker 4: state that you're in at that moment.
Speaker 3: Right and right.
Speaker 4: Now we are butting heads and she's trying to win,
Speaker 4: and then I'm trying to win, and then it's like
Speaker 4: this right, one after another after another, and you know,
Speaker 4: for her to say that I wasn't genuine, you know,
Speaker 4: I love to tell a story she had never been
Speaker 4: to Europe, and I take her to Mastro's for her
Speaker 4: birthday or no, for for our anniversary. And her birthday
Speaker 4: was a few weeks later, and I hind her a
Speaker 4: card and it's plane tickets to Paris. And she told
Speaker 4: me a story that a couple months prior, we were
Speaker 4: in Capri, and she said she cried on the flight
Speaker 4: home and she bought a dress for every night because
Speaker 4: she knows I love Capri. She thought I was gonna propose.
Speaker 4: She didn't know that I had a ring for six months.
Speaker 4: Wanted to take her to Paris, which was her dream.
Speaker 4: Gave her the tickets to Paris, set the whole thing
Speaker 4: up with Ritz Paris way ahead of time. It was
Speaker 4: her birthday celebration, so we celebrated her birthday the next day.
Speaker 3: I proposed at Ritz Paris.
Speaker 4: So if she says that, you know, I was never
Speaker 4: genuine and never you know, loving, you know, I fail
Speaker 4: to believe that that's you know, it just isn't true.
Speaker 4: But she's in this state right now where she only
Speaker 4: remembers the bad.
Speaker 1: Uh Okay, So Jesse, I don't feel bad anymore because
Speaker 1: I listen, You're I fired you very likable, right, I
Speaker 1: could be the minority of the situation. But we'll get
Speaker 1: to the watch what happens Paul in this second where
Speaker 1: it was like, are you team Michelle or team.
Speaker 2: Jesse spoiler alert Jesse one.
Speaker 1: But I will say I find you very likable, so
Speaker 1: the fact that I heard that story, Look, you have
Speaker 1: done some asshole things right, and listen, I do feel
Speaker 1: like you own up to it. You owned up to
Speaker 1: being a whore back in the day, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I do feel like you own up to
Speaker 1: your shit. So I will give you that when I
Speaker 1: when I watch you on the show, I feel like
Speaker 1: you're somebody that loves hard and I do feel like
Speaker 1: Michelle is hurt and I like Michelle a lot too.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about how you too are budding hits,
Speaker 1: what my experience is for producing reality television is hurt.
Speaker 2: People hurt each other. And I do feel like.
Speaker 1: There's there is something genuine about you that makes you
Speaker 1: very likable to the audience to.
Speaker 2: The point where you won the poll and you also
Speaker 2: won you know, the place of the girls.
Speaker 1: In this most recent episode to where she's like, I
Speaker 1: mean we're going this trip.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, who side are you on and low key?
Speaker 2: They're on your side? So do you feel like this show,
Speaker 2: unfortunately dealing with your marital.
Speaker 1: Woes, do you feel like it has villainized her character?
Speaker 4: I mean, look, you love hard, you fall hard, right,
Speaker 4: you just said it. You know, you know I love
Speaker 4: and I and I'm loyal and I like almost to
Speaker 4: a fault.
Speaker 3: Right, So you love hard, you fall hard, And you.
Speaker 4: Know this this season of the show, you know, I
Speaker 4: was I was very I don't know how to be inauthentic,
Speaker 4: and I think I was very authentic and I think
Speaker 4: it it resonated with people towards the end of season one.
Speaker 4: And I continue to do a lot of work after
Speaker 4: Michelle and I separated, and you know, Michelle asked me
Speaker 4: to make a lot of changes.
Speaker 3: And I didn't do what she needed me to do.
Speaker 4: And you know, then I thought like, well should I
Speaker 4: change for Isabella? And then I figured, why don't I
Speaker 4: start working on myself and if I can even grow
Speaker 4: five percent seven percent? And I started to reflect on
Speaker 4: those things, and it's one of the reasons why Kristin
Speaker 4: and I have become so close and why we were
Speaker 4: able to, you know, have that conversation at my house
Speaker 4: at the beginning of season two is because you start
Speaker 4: to reflect on you know, when you decide to make
Speaker 4: the changes on your own, that's that's when it becomes true.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't make it for Michelle because I didn't
Speaker 4: want to. Then I decided to make it, you know,
Speaker 4: on my own. And yeah, look, five percent of growth
Speaker 4: is nothing. So I'm still gonna be that Jesse with
Speaker 4: the crass, sarcastic humor that doesn't fly all the time.
Speaker 4: I have a real lack of self awareness. I have
Speaker 4: a real lack of social situations. You know, you can
Speaker 4: crack a joke to one and that'll laugh, and the
Speaker 4: other person will, you know, slap you in the face. Right,
Speaker 4: So it's all about continuing the work.
Speaker 2: Well, look, you are doing the work. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna say, like, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: you've been in this world a long time, right, you
Speaker 4: can't be the villain without being the hero, and you
Speaker 4: can't be the hero without being the villain because people
Speaker 4: respond to to the arc. Right, So one day you're
Speaker 4: gonna be good, one day you're gonna be bad. And
Speaker 4: I think you'll see in season two I get real
Speaker 4: bad and then I get good and then I get bad.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, the the amazing part of
Speaker 4: this show, and especially this season, is you'll see the
Speaker 4: villain and hero and almost every single person in our group.
Speaker 1: If you had to say, when you look at the
Speaker 1: overall season, obviously you taped it, and I know you
Speaker 1: guys are about to fill the reunion, who would you
Speaker 1: say is the ultimate villain this season?
Speaker 2: And who is the ultimate hero this.
Speaker 4: I will tell you that I think by the end
Speaker 4: of the season you will see that everybody gets resolution. So,
Speaker 4: like I said, there's a villain and hero. But and look,
Speaker 4: we still spend a lot of time together. I was
Speaker 4: on the phone with Jason and then Janet jumped on
Speaker 4: for an hour the other night. I was on the
Speaker 4: phone with Jacks this morning for thirty minutes. I talked
Speaker 4: to Jasmine for hours. I talked to Kristen and Luke,
Speaker 4: and you know, I think you'll see ups and downs
Speaker 4: and lefts and rights, but you'll finally see resolution where
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it like it ends with
Speaker 4: dot dot dot two be continued, you know, because there's
Speaker 4: a lot of surprises, there's a lot of fun, and look,
Speaker 4: we got babies coming, We got weddings coming. You know, eventually,
Speaker 4: whether it ends with resolution, it will get there.
Speaker 2: So you talk about speaking to Jack this morning.
Speaker 1: What we did see in last week's episode was a
Speaker 1: very powerful scene where you know, he and Brittany spoke
Speaker 1: about his addiction and him checking himselfing to rehab. You
Speaker 1: spoke to him today for thirty minutes. How is Jack's doing?
Speaker 3: Jax is, He's doing really well.
Speaker 4: And you know, I reminded him today that you know,
Speaker 4: you know this world, right, you live it, you film it,
Speaker 4: then you have to live it again eight nine months later, right,
Speaker 4: And we talk quite a bit about, you know, things
Speaker 4: that we see on the show and comments that are
Speaker 4: made and stuff like that. And I reminded Jacks this morning,
Speaker 4: you are not the same person you were nine months ago.
Speaker 4: You are one hundred and eighty days or one hundred
Speaker 4: and sixty days sober, You are thirty five pounds of
Speaker 4: solid muscle. The guy only eats chicken breast and hamburger
Speaker 4: patties every day all day. So I'm like, just remember
Speaker 4: who you are today because it's different.
Speaker 3: Than you were nine months ago, and just.
Speaker 4: Start to and grow, you know, every day, like when
Speaker 4: he went into that facility the first time, he came
Speaker 4: out with just a few tools, and the work wasn't
Speaker 4: in the facility.
Speaker 3: The work was getting the tools to continue the work.
Speaker 4: And unfortunately for Jacks, I knew he was doing the
Speaker 4: work in terms of his mental health, but his physical health.
Speaker 4: The drinking the drugs was the reason he recognized it,
Speaker 4: because mentally he was strong. He recognized it after another
Speaker 4: month or two that he needed to go into rehab
Speaker 4: for drugs and alcohol.
Speaker 3: And now coming out of.
Speaker 4: That second rehab and you know, doing the work by
Speaker 4: going to AA meetings and doing the work by continuing,
Speaker 4: you know, talking to me and talking to his friends
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, I really think he's he has
Speaker 4: an opportunity to become Jason Kouchi instead.
Speaker 3: Of Jax Taylor.
Speaker 2: That's a powerful statement.
Speaker 3: That's what I ended the conversation with this morning.
Speaker 2: Child.
Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the
Speaker 1: King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well,
Speaker 1: your ex has said in this most recent episode.
Speaker 2: That you are far worse than Jack's.
Speaker 1: Jacks has been seen as somebody that you know, supposedly
Speaker 1: you know, is verbally mean to Brittany called, you know,
Speaker 1: fast shames her allegedly, he has denied it. A lot
Speaker 1: of people have said they've seen the text messages and
Speaker 1: they've seen what he's done. You know, Jacks is a
Speaker 1: polarizing figure, but he also has receipts based on you know,
Speaker 1: the shows he's been on where his behavior isn't the
Speaker 1: most peachy keen. So based on all of that narrative,
Speaker 1: prior to your conversation today, when your ex wife said
Speaker 1: that you are far more worse than Jack's, how do
Speaker 1: you feel about that comment?
Speaker 4: It's Michelle's experience, right, you know what she's referring to, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, but Michelle's experience, what Michelle's going through
Speaker 4: might feel or seem worse than what Brittney's going through,
Speaker 4: what anybody going through a divorce or you know, having
Speaker 4: a partner. I think it's it just comes down to
Speaker 4: everybody's individual experience, right. And Michelle, like I said, she's hurting,
Speaker 4: and what her experience is is like, look.
Speaker 3: I know my fault.
Speaker 4: You know, I know that I can be condescending. Michelle
Speaker 4: and I work together, and you know there was there
Speaker 4: was there wasn't a hierarchy in our business. But again,
Speaker 4: it's like when you're fighting over a deal. Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: hard to meet up in the kitchen and give her
Speaker 4: a hug and a kiss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So it's it's all in the experience for anybody. So
Speaker 4: whatever Michelle says about me, again, it's you know, it's
Speaker 4: her own experience, and I can't invalidate that experience.
Speaker 3: I can only I can only trust my experience.
Speaker 2: She said that you don't provide any financial support.
Speaker 3: She did multiple times.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, is that true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't love to talk about and I wish Michelle
Speaker 4: felt the same way to talk about personal and private
Speaker 4: financial matters. But I will say, and I've said it
Speaker 4: over and over again, Michelle and I were fifty to
Speaker 4: fifty business partners. And the real estate business as a
Speaker 4: whole in LA has been very bad for the last
Speaker 4: few years. But Michelle and I were fifty to fifty
Speaker 4: business partners, so if our business was hurting, we both
Speaker 4: share fault fifty to fifty. And in terms of our finances,
Speaker 4: Michelle had one hundred percent access to all of our accounts,
Speaker 4: you know, from the credit union to the credit cards,
Speaker 4: to the savings accounts, checking accounts.
Speaker 3: Michelle had access to all of that.
Speaker 4: So again, if there was spending and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: like she had just as much of a fault as.
Speaker 3: I did because she had complete control over that.
Speaker 4: So you know, when she says things like that, it
Speaker 4: kind of hurts me because, yeah, there's no child support
Speaker 4: or alimony because we were partners in our business and
Speaker 4: we you know, split our commissions fifty to fifty and
Speaker 4: we you know, share custody fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: So we've moved forward. We have a custodial.
Speaker 4: Agreement that works for both of us, and in terms
Speaker 4: of that financial stuff, we are like this close, this
Speaker 4: close to being able to move forward with our divorce
Speaker 4: and you know, and be able to create a life
Speaker 4: as co parents.
Speaker 1: One of the things that we are seeing this season
Speaker 1: is look first season, my brother Banker explosive allway craziness
Speaker 1: right with Chew in your suit, you were playing any
Speaker 1: games and we listen. The beauty of you to me
Speaker 1: is the fact that is what you said. We can
Speaker 1: see you have moments of you know, having a villain moment,
Speaker 1: but we also see the hero. What we have seen
Speaker 1: this season that has shocked the hell all of all
Speaker 1: of us is the friendship that you have now. But Kristen,
Speaker 1: can you talk about like how you guys went from
Speaker 1: the craziness of last season to this season. My girl
Speaker 1: is coming over to your house and you too are
Speaker 1: having a ponderosa.
Speaker 3: I will tell you exactly how it happened.
Speaker 4: My girlfriend and my team missed our flight back from
Speaker 4: Watch What Happens Live and we're sitting at the apartment
Speaker 4: in New York and we were watching the episode and
Speaker 4: I forget which episode it was, and I got the
Speaker 4: most gracious text from Kristin that was like, Wow, I
Speaker 4: didn't know what you were going through. I understand and
Speaker 4: I looked at it and I was like, Kristin just
Speaker 4: texted me. And from that point on it was again
Speaker 4: it's like you're working on yourself, You're working to grow,
Speaker 4: Like what is my responsibility in what happened?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: And you know there was something the scene at Jackson's
Speaker 4: pool with all of us. It was kind of like
Speaker 4: the guys with the kids in season one. I had
Speaker 4: a conversation with Luke that day about blind loyalty and
Speaker 4: how he was sticking up for Kristen. He didn't understand
Speaker 4: and what I realized in the work is I had
Speaker 4: blind loyalty from Michelle. And what Kristin was saying it
Speaker 4: was so hurtful because in the back of my mind,
Speaker 4: I'm like, am I missing something? And you know, I
Speaker 4: said to Kristin, and we've talked about it quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Some of the work that I've been doing is like
Speaker 4: and I said it with her out back, is like
Speaker 4: that underlying idea that maybe she's right, and then it's
Speaker 4: like resent anger, hostility.
Speaker 3: And my physical manifestation.
Speaker 4: Of that was like, you know, like aggression, like I
Speaker 4: was a hockey player, right, and like my physical manifestation
Speaker 4: of these feelings was banging my hands on tables and
Speaker 4: punching walls in the hallway and charging. You know, I
Speaker 4: texted Zach a couple of days ago when I I
Speaker 4: saw like another angle of that hallway scene and I
Speaker 4: didn't realize that I gave him a forearm shiver into
Speaker 4: the wall on my way down to you know, fight Luke,
Speaker 4: and I texted him like, dude, I am so sorry,
Speaker 4: Like I never saw that angle before and I didn't
Speaker 4: even know he was in the way. And yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Start to realize, you start to look at.
Speaker 4: Collateral damage and how you were the one who dropped
Speaker 4: the bomb, and you know, you have to realize you're
Speaker 4: the one who dropped the bomb, right, so the collateral
Speaker 4: damage is not the problem.
Speaker 3: You're the problem.
Speaker 4: And you know, Kristin and I have known each other
Speaker 4: for a long time, and you know that text message
Speaker 4: led to kind of a relationship with Luke and we
Speaker 4: started working out together and then it really has has
Speaker 4: been incredible the relationship that Kristen, Luke and I have
Speaker 4: have formed.
Speaker 1: Suggested we got again to the most recent episode, this
Speaker 1: boy's chap was a massacre.
Speaker 4: Okay, again, you're on the waiting list, so don't ask
Speaker 4: about it again, all right, boys, right now.
Speaker 2: No, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be on it if it's going
Speaker 1: to be a disaster again.
Speaker 2: So I want you to clear the air you have allegedly.
Speaker 2: You know, I want to, I want to, I don't.
Speaker 1: I do not want to put words of your mouth,
Speaker 1: So I want to be able to have you say it. Allegedly,
Speaker 1: you send the group chat that your ex Michelle has
Speaker 1: slept with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night
Speaker 1: before I move on. Is that true that you said
Speaker 1: that I did. Yeah, okay, is it true that she
Speaker 1: did that.
Speaker 4: I don't believe it's true, and I'm not never make
Speaker 4: excuse for it.
Speaker 3: I literally will tell you. I'll be completely honest with you.
Speaker 4: I was triggered, and you know, I one of the
Speaker 4: things I'm working on is and I talked to Kristen
Speaker 4: about it. When I'm triggered, I immediately and I got
Speaker 4: a tattooed on my arm. Emotion Cloud's reason.
Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, no.
Speaker 4: I I get very reactive when I'm triggered, and I
Speaker 4: don't take that deep breath and I don't. I don't,
Speaker 4: I don't say okay, like you know what situation.
Speaker 3: Am I am?
Speaker 4: I just get very very reactive. And I was triggered
Speaker 4: by something that happened. I sent it. I immediately was
Speaker 4: like I should unsend this, and now I have to
Speaker 4: pay the consequences of it, and it's snowballs into you know.
Speaker 3: I had this moment the other.
Speaker 4: Day where you know, one day Isabella might be bullied
Speaker 4: because of this thing that I did instead about her mother,
Speaker 4: and I regret the second I hit sent.
Speaker 2: Did you say it because somebody told you this?
Speaker 1: Or like, how does how did that even come about
Speaker 1: like you saying that.
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I don't think it's worth giving any
Speaker 4: more life to because I've apologized up and down to Michelle.
Speaker 4: I've apologized to you know, even putting my friends in
Speaker 4: that position to have to repeat it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to put any
Speaker 3: more life into it.
Speaker 2: Has Michelle accept your apology?
Speaker 3: She should not and probably will never.
Speaker 1: Are you and Michelle today on speaking terms?
Speaker 3: We are?
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we've God, we've gotten so close.
Speaker 4: I mean we had a moment, you know, in the
Speaker 4: in the fall, and you'll see as the season plays out,
Speaker 4: we were this close, and it's it's tough. It's a
Speaker 4: tough ride, and we've had moments where I'll never forget.
Speaker 4: I got a text message from Michelle and she's like,
Speaker 4: Isabella wants.
Speaker 3: Both of us to pick her up at school. I said, great,
Speaker 3: come pick me up at my house.
Speaker 4: Picked her up at school, and Michelle's like, do you
Speaker 4: want to go get as i E bowls with us,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, great, And then she came back
Speaker 4: here and we watched Moana with Isabella and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're right there. You know, and it's
Speaker 4: just it's difficult because you get so close and then
Speaker 4: one thing happens and you both get triggered, and then
Speaker 4: you take you know, you take two steps forward and
Speaker 4: then it's thirty steps backwards. So we talk. You know,
Speaker 4: it's it's going to be hard for her. Like I said,
Speaker 4: you know this world, you film it, you have resolution,
Speaker 4: and then you have to relive it. And you know,
Speaker 4: I think it's hard for everybody in our in our
Speaker 4: lives to go through that.
Speaker 3: And and we'll get there. We'll get there.
Speaker 2: Are you.
Speaker 1: At a place of forgiveness for Danny allegedly being the mall?
Speaker 1: I think Danny the mall? Now you can think of
Speaker 1: somebody else. You could think it's the twenty one other.
Speaker 1: I Carlos King think Danny's the mole. He looked guilty,
Speaker 1: he had, you know, deer call the headlights. I believe
Speaker 1: Danny broke the bro code in a moment of pillow talk.
Speaker 2: Okay, because one.
Speaker 1: Thing, I know, Jesse, men like to gossip too, but
Speaker 1: men like to gossip when it comes to the ladies
Speaker 1: because it's a safer space.
Speaker 5: So do you think Danny is the mole? Danny was
Speaker 5: the mole in this situation. But I will say, boys, boys,
Speaker 5: if you have a boy's chat.
Speaker 4: Use a different goddamn eye cloud than you use on
Speaker 4: your iPad that your kids use to watch Blue all right, Like,
Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's the mole, but god damn, why
Speaker 4: do you and your wife share the same cloud account?
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, look, Danny told me that, and
Speaker 4: he asked if I was mad about it, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not mad.
Speaker 3: It's just another fire that I'll have to put out.
Speaker 4: And you know, you can't be mad at somebody if
Speaker 4: you take your own accountability for your actions. Right, Danny
Speaker 4: didn't say it, I didn't spread it. I said it,
Speaker 4: and I regret it. And god, you know it's not
Speaker 4: Danny's fault.
Speaker 2: You are a good man. I'm gonna say. I think
Speaker 2: it's listen, I think it's fine.
Speaker 1: But to me, to me, it's sort of just I
Speaker 1: do shows about relationships, right, So I'm no when it
Speaker 1: comes to couples that and there's there's nothing wrong with this,
Speaker 1: but when you are in a relationship, you know, man,
Speaker 1: do pillow talk and it is what it is. But
Speaker 1: I thought it was more comedy that Danny looked so like, shit,
Speaker 1: I got caught up. He looked did into the camera.
Speaker 1: So to me, it was sort of like, man, you're guilty,
Speaker 1: just be honest about it.
Speaker 2: But I'm happy that he is. Danny's still in the
Speaker 2: group chat.
Speaker 3: Though Danny was Danny didn't last long after.
Speaker 2: Oh you kicked him out?
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't. I'm not the administrator on the
Speaker 3: group chat, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I I can't confirm or deny Danny's on the group chat.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll leave it chat. And you're talking about
Speaker 3: pillow pillow talk. It kind of looked like Luke and
Speaker 3: Danny were having pillow talk in that moment. I don't
Speaker 3: know if it was Danny and Nea.
Speaker 4: Looked like Danny and Luke were having a little little
Speaker 4: cuddly pillow talk.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I hey to each their own.
Speaker 1: Okay, So before we wrap things up, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I love that this conversation is about your cleaning the air.
Speaker 1: I did hear a rumor a little bit of information
Speaker 1: about your past that I would like you to address.
Speaker 2: You ready for this, Jesse?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Is it true you dated Anna Nicole Smith?
Speaker 4: It is not true that I dated in a Nicole.
Speaker 4: It is true that we had a relationship, but we
Speaker 4: weren't like we weren't dating.
Speaker 2: Have you watched a documentary on Netflix?
Speaker 3: I have, Yeah, I have. I did not.
Speaker 4: I did not get called to to give any feedback,
Speaker 4: but but yeah, I did watch it.
Speaker 2: Good to know. Listen, you're a legend. You're a legend.
Speaker 1: Not too too many people can say that makes you
Speaker 1: rest in peace. I mean, listen, she has taste. You're
Speaker 1: a handsome guy. And I want to say this. I'm
Speaker 1: happy we have this conversation because I can tell by
Speaker 1: it there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of maturity,
Speaker 1: and I do feel like you're somebody who is on
Speaker 1: this path to just try to like figure things out.
Speaker 1: And although as a reality star, like all of the
Speaker 1: stars on reality television, you may go about it different ways,
Speaker 1: but I do feel like you are somebody that lives
Speaker 1: in the moment and once you see yourself reflect and
Speaker 1: on television, I do feel like you use that as
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do better.
Speaker 2: So I do want to applaud you for that.
Speaker 1: I know it's a tough business, the audience can be
Speaker 1: very tough, but I do appreciate that you have not
Speaker 1: allowed it to you know, crash out on social media.
Speaker 2: So I just want to say, continue to do what
Speaker 2: you're doing.
Speaker 1: You are a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous addition to the show.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I'm looking forward to more things
Speaker 1: with you. So is there anything you want to talk
Speaker 1: to the audience about. You got promoting stuff where they
Speaker 1: can find you, follow you, support anything you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can follow me on everything at Jesse Lally
Speaker 4: j E S s E not I E J S
Speaker 4: S E l A.
Speaker 3: L L why.
Speaker 4: You can follow Isabella on Instagram as well, Isabella Lally. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's gonna be an exciting, exciting season.
Speaker 3: For I think everybody.
Speaker 4: You know, we're we're gonna have a reunion this year
Speaker 4: which everybody knows about, which is going to be exciting.
Speaker 3: My first time on the chair.
Speaker 4: We have you know, Watch what Happens Live coming up,
Speaker 4: which is gonna be fun. I did it last year,
Speaker 4: but but this year it'll be you know, it's a different,
Speaker 4: different stage to be on.
Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I'll leave you with this.
Speaker 4: You know, people ask me all the time if if
Speaker 4: reality is real and the truth is you know, human nature,
Speaker 4: you throw a lot of things under the rug, right,
Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, you know, she drank two bottles
Speaker 4: of Savignon blanc.
Speaker 2: Ha ha.
Speaker 3: I can't believe she said that.
Speaker 4: But you have to realize that, you know, we're putting
Speaker 4: positions where you have to think about it for three
Speaker 4: or four days until you see somebody again and you're like, wow,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: Believe she said that.
Speaker 4: How does that affect my career and my family and
Speaker 4: my future? And you're put in a position to have
Speaker 4: hard conversations that the majority of people brush under the rug.
Speaker 4: And I think what you'll learn from reality TV and
Speaker 4: what you should take into your own life is that
Speaker 4: have those hard conversations because like the audience, you know,
Speaker 4: I can, you know, accuse Michelle of being an escort,
Speaker 4: but eventually it's it. You know, if you take accountability
Speaker 4: for your actions and you have the hard conversation, it's
Speaker 4: going to disappear eventually, right, But if you let it,
Speaker 4: let it simmer and simmer and simmer, you're going to
Speaker 4: have happen. What happened to Michelle and I. Michelle and
Speaker 4: I had conversations for two years about separating, got a
Speaker 4: new house, swept the dust under the rug and then
Speaker 4: had to have those hard conversations and if you don't
Speaker 4: have them now, it will destroy you and eat you alive.
Speaker 2: That's very true. That's very true. So listen.
Speaker 1: We're looking forward to the rest of the season and
Speaker 1: rain Drops. You can catt A Valley every single Tuesday
Speaker 1: on Bravo and then the next day on Peacock. Jesse,
Speaker 1: thank you for stepping into Reality with the King and
Speaker 1: I'll see you soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you you are the King. Thank you so much
Speaker 3: for having me.
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