1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos Kings, 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 1: the King of Reality TV and one of the most 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: sought after executive producers in reality television with over ten 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: years a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with 5 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,319 Speaker 1: the King, we'll sit down with my friends across the 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: entertainment industry, recap our favorite reality shows and revisit unforgettable 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: moments that we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey, 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 1: rain Drops, of today's episode of Reality with the King, 9 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: we are going to talk about the best show that 10 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: is out right now. When I say to you, rain Drops, 11 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: I am obsessed with this show and I know you. 12 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: Guys are too. 13 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: So what better way to kick off my weekly Yes 14 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: you heard that right, my weekly recap of the Valley. 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna kick things off with the Man, the myth, 16 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: the messy legend, who. 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: I am also obsessed with. Give it up, y'all for. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 3: Jesse, Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm 19 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 3: super excited. 20 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 4: You know, Spencer speaks very highly of you, and I 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 4: know that you have a very deep background in this world. 22 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 3: So my real question is how am I doing so far? 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: Oh? 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm making in trouble for saying this, And 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: I do not like getting in trouble, but I mean, Jesse, 26 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: you keep the party going, my brother, like you now 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: listen without Jesse, like what. 28 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: Would be happening. 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: But I would like to ask you one personal request. Sure, 30 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: can I be the twenty third person in the boys 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: group chat? 32 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 4: Well, you know, sadly with the Boys Chat regardless of 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: what you hear, it started off a little dicey back 34 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 4: when I first was indoctrinated into this chat. And now, 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 4: to be honest with you, some of the some of 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,639 Speaker 4: the biggest playboys on the chat are sober, and it's 37 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 4: a lot of memes. It's a lot of One of 38 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: the guys on the on the Boys Chat this morning, 39 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 4: and I'll probably get in trouble for saying this told 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 4: Jax to do some grounding and take his shoes off 41 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 4: and go walk in the grass. So we've evolved over 42 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: time into more of a therapy session. Most of us 43 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,359 Speaker 4: are now married. So while we would love to have 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 4: you are, we're currently full. 45 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: And taking waiting list applications. 46 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it feels like ray a dating app 47 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:38,279 Speaker 1: because I am still. 48 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 2: A waiting list at all live. 49 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I have Carlos King I don't people who are like 50 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: already in there. 51 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 2: So I'm on a waiting list for the boys chat 52 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: got it? 53 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 3: Listen, listen. 54 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: I'm I tried to get into Soho House in twenty 55 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 4: seventeen and I still haven't heard from them. 56 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 3: So you you and I pull. 57 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if the Valley is gonna help or 58 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 4: hurt me get into Soho House. 59 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: Oh we'll see. I might have to throw in a 60 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 3: new application. 61 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: And like the last one, I said, I was a poet, 62 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: So maybe that's why I didn't get in. 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 3: I don't know. 64 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: Well, I will give you a referral because I'm a member. Okay, perfect, yes, no, no, 65 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: we'll make that happen. So I'm not only a member 66 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: of Sofa House, I'm a member of the Valley. I 67 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: used to live in Studio City, which is in close 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: proximity to the Valley. 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 2: I have to. 70 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: Say, Season two is starting off amazing, and I just 71 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:31,639 Speaker 1: want to get right into a Jesse. 72 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: Honestly, we know that you are going. 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Through this, you know, divorce with Michelle, and what we 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: saw in the premiere episode was the two of you 75 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: sort of navigating this life of co parenting. And what 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: we're seeing this season is the fact that you two 77 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: are not as as of episode three, you two are 78 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: not on the same page as relates to your relationship. 79 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 2: But I want to go backwards a little bit. 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: Michelle's gorgeous and I know at one point in time 81 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 1: you Tube were imagine love. What would you say was 82 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: the number one cause of you and Michelle's relationship not 83 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: working out? 84 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 4: I think you know, in my experience, I feel like 85 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 4: having a child. We had Isabella April of twenty twenty. 86 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 4: All of those classes like how to change diapers all 87 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: canceled at Cedar Sinai. We went into we went into 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 4: the hospital that morning and we were told by our doctor, 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: which comes up quite a bit, not to go to 90 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 4: the hospital because they're going to send you away if 91 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 4: you're not ready ready to be admitted. 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: And you know, a lot of first time parents get 93 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: a little nervous. And we waited and waited and wait. 94 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 4: She was on the phone all night with her sister 95 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 4: in labor and we went to the hospital and they 96 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: actually did a COVID test at the elevators of the 97 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 4: parking garage for both of us. Sent Usa sent me 98 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 4: back to the car, took her up the elevator, did 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,840 Speaker 4: another test, then called me forty five minutes later and 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 4: they're like, all right, the time is now, And I 101 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 4: walked from my car back to the elevator and they 102 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 4: did another COVID test. 103 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: So it was chaotic. 104 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: Uh, you know, we had Isabella at one am and 105 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: they made me leave after twenty minutes with her. And 106 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 4: from that point on, it was just all a new 107 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: world for all of us. And you know, there was 108 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 4: no grandma, grandpa. I thought I was getting lasagnas and 109 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: all kinds of stuff sent to the house, you know, 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: from people. 111 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: There was none of that. There was no help, there 112 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 3: was no nothing. 113 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 4: So really, for the first four months of Isabella's life, 114 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 4: it was Michelle and I in the house with no help, 115 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 4: no sleep, and we did our best. And I think 116 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 4: there is a there is sort of an isolation that 117 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 4: happened for everybody. But then Michelle and I had discussed 118 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 4: my go Michelle and I were business partners and she 119 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 4: was taking care of Isabella, so I went back to work. 120 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 4: And while everybody else felt isolated in this crazy world 121 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 4: that we living in, Michelle was even you know, isolated 122 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 4: to a hundredth degree. And I think that started putting 123 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 4: a lot of pressure on, you know, on the entire relationship, 124 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And it was difficult to 125 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: navigate that world. And if you were to ask me, 126 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 4: I think that was the start of our problems. It's 127 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: like we we couldn't have Grandma come take the baby 128 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 4: so we could have a date night, like we weren't. 129 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 3: No was having date nights, you know what I mean. 130 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: So I think that was really the start. 131 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: Do you really believe Michelle cheated on you? 132 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: I do, yes, Michelle actually admitted to me that she did. 133 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 3: I don't believe that it was Aaron. 134 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 4: I've had long conversations with Aarin about this and you'll 135 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: see that play out in this season, but even off camera, 136 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 4: I've had conversations with Michelle and Aaron, and Michelle did 137 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 4: say that she had a situation a couple of years 138 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 4: ago with somebody. 139 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: But I also felt, like, you know. 140 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 4: Aaron saying multiple times and you know them talking about 141 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: it on Michelle's podcast, that they used to meet up. 142 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 4: And you know, there's all different types of affairs, right 143 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: there's the physical affair that Michelle admitted to, but also 144 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 4: there's this emotional component where you know, Aaron and Michelle 145 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 4: talked about, you know, meeting up and having conversations about 146 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 4: relationships and stuff like that, and it basically put a 147 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 4: direct comparison between Michelle's relationship with me and what it 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: would be like with a relationship with Aaron. So, whether 149 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 4: it was physical or not, there's that emotional component that 150 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 4: I think, you know, and look, was it my fault 151 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 4: for driving her away? 152 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: Yeah? You know. 153 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 4: Was it her fault for finding solace in the arms 154 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: or the mind of somebody else. Yeah, But you know, 155 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 4: at this point, she's super happy. They live together now. 156 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 4: Isabella loves it over there. She loves him, and you know, 157 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 4: at the end of the day, we are doing this 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: right now, but there's going to be a point, and 159 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 4: I've tried a few times that we will all be 160 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 4: friends at some point, you know what I mean. And 161 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 4: I wish them the best. She's very happy. He's a 162 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 4: lot different than me. So, yes, I think she cheated. 163 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 4: Does it matter now? 164 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: No? Well, it's interesting you say that he's a lot 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: different than you, because in the first episode Michelle did 166 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: say she never had the feeling of you being a 167 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: genuine person with heart, which that was a gut punch 168 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: to me. So as the You know, you guys were married, 169 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: so obviously she loved your enough to marry you. 170 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 2: You are the father of your beautiful daughter. 171 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: To hear your soon to be ex wife say that 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: she never had the feeling you were a genuine person 173 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: with heart, Well, did that hurt you to hear her 174 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: say that? 175 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 176 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: But you know what's she's hurt right now, and she's hurting, 177 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 4: and you know, she's going through something not only with 178 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 4: our relationship, but the passing of her mother, which was difficult, 179 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 4: you know for her and the family and stuff like that. 180 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: It was difficult for Isabella. 181 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 4: She she's struggling, and you know, I get where you 182 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: know where she's coming from, because when you go through 183 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 4: the situation, you go through a divorce and separation, rarely 184 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 4: do you remember the good times. You only remember the 185 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,359 Speaker 4: worst possible times, and you remember it in the emotional 186 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 4: state that you're in at that moment. 187 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: Right and right. 188 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 4: Now we are butting heads and she's trying to win, 189 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 4: and then I'm trying to win, and then it's like 190 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 4: this right, one after another after another, and you know, 191 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 4: for her to say that I wasn't genuine, you know, 192 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 4: I love to tell a story she had never been 193 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 4: to Europe, and I take her to Mastro's for her 194 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 4: birthday or no, for for our anniversary. And her birthday 195 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 4: was a few weeks later, and I hind her a 196 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 4: card and it's plane tickets to Paris. And she told 197 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 4: me a story that a couple months prior, we were 198 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: in Capri, and she said she cried on the flight 199 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 4: home and she bought a dress for every night because 200 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 4: she knows I love Capri. She thought I was gonna propose. 201 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 4: She didn't know that I had a ring for six months. 202 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 4: Wanted to take her to Paris, which was her dream. 203 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: Gave her the tickets to Paris, set the whole thing 204 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 4: up with Ritz Paris way ahead of time. It was 205 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 4: her birthday celebration, so we celebrated her birthday the next day. 206 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: I proposed at Ritz Paris. 207 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 4: So if she says that, you know, I was never 208 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 4: genuine and never you know, loving, you know, I fail 209 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 4: to believe that that's you know, it just isn't true. 210 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 4: But she's in this state right now where she only 211 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 4: remembers the bad. 212 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: Uh Okay, So Jesse, I don't feel bad anymore because 213 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: I listen, You're I fired you very likable, right, I 214 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: could be the minority of the situation. But we'll get 215 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 1: to the watch what happens Paul in this second where 216 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: it was like, are you team Michelle or team. 217 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: Jesse spoiler alert Jesse one. 218 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: But I will say I find you very likable, so 219 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: the fact that I heard that story, Look, you have 220 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: done some asshole things right, and listen, I do feel 221 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: like you own up to it. You owned up to 222 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: being a whore back in the day, you know what 223 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean. I do feel like you own up to 224 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: your shit. So I will give you that when I 225 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: when I watch you on the show, I feel like 226 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: you're somebody that loves hard and I do feel like 227 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: Michelle is hurt and I like Michelle a lot too. 228 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: And when you talk about how you too are budding hits, 229 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: what my experience is for producing reality television is hurt. 230 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 2: People hurt each other. And I do feel like. 231 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: There's there is something genuine about you that makes you 232 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: very likable to the audience to. 233 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 2: The point where you won the poll and you also 234 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 2: won you know, the place of the girls. 235 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: In this most recent episode to where she's like, I 236 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: mean we're going this trip. 237 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: I mean, like, who side are you on and low key? 238 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: They're on your side? So do you feel like this show, 239 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,359 Speaker 2: unfortunately dealing with your marital. 240 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: Woes, do you feel like it has villainized her character? 241 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 4: I mean, look, you love hard, you fall hard, right, 242 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 4: you just said it. You know, you know I love 243 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: and I and I'm loyal and I like almost to 244 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 4: a fault. 245 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: Right, So you love hard, you fall hard, And you. 246 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 4: Know this this season of the show, you know, I 247 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 4: was I was very I don't know how to be inauthentic, 248 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 4: and I think I was very authentic and I think 249 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 4: it it resonated with people towards the end of season one. 250 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 4: And I continue to do a lot of work after 251 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 4: Michelle and I separated, and you know, Michelle asked me 252 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 4: to make a lot of changes. 253 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: And I didn't do what she needed me to do. 254 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 4: And you know, then I thought like, well should I 255 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 4: change for Isabella? And then I figured, why don't I 256 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: start working on myself and if I can even grow 257 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 4: five percent seven percent? And I started to reflect on 258 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 4: those things, and it's one of the reasons why Kristin 259 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 4: and I have become so close and why we were 260 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 4: able to, you know, have that conversation at my house 261 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 4: at the beginning of season two is because you start 262 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: to reflect on you know, when you decide to make 263 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 4: the changes on your own, that's that's when it becomes true. 264 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: Like I couldn't make it for Michelle because I didn't 265 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 4: want to. Then I decided to make it, you know, 266 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 4: on my own. And yeah, look, five percent of growth 267 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 4: is nothing. So I'm still gonna be that Jesse with 268 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 4: the crass, sarcastic humor that doesn't fly all the time. 269 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: I have a real lack of self awareness. I have 270 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 4: a real lack of social situations. You know, you can 271 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 4: crack a joke to one and that'll laugh, and the 272 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 4: other person will, you know, slap you in the face. Right, 273 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: So it's all about continuing the work. 274 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 2: Well, look, you are doing the work. Yeah. 275 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 4: No, I was just gonna say, like, you know, you know, 276 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 4: you've been in this world a long time, right, you 277 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 4: can't be the villain without being the hero, and you 278 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 4: can't be the hero without being the villain because people 279 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 4: respond to to the arc. Right, So one day you're 280 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 4: gonna be good, one day you're gonna be bad. And 281 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 4: I think you'll see in season two I get real 282 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: bad and then I get good and then I get bad. 283 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 4: And I think, you know, the the amazing part of 284 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: this show, and especially this season, is you'll see the 285 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 4: villain and hero and almost every single person in our group. 286 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 1: If you had to say, when you look at the 287 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: overall season, obviously you taped it, and I know you 288 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: guys are about to fill the reunion, who would you 289 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: say is the ultimate villain this season? 290 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: And who is the ultimate hero this. 291 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 4: I will tell you that I think by the end 292 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 4: of the season you will see that everybody gets resolution. So, 293 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: like I said, there's a villain and hero. But and look, 294 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 4: we still spend a lot of time together. I was 295 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 4: on the phone with Jason and then Janet jumped on 296 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: for an hour the other night. I was on the 297 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 4: phone with Jacks this morning for thirty minutes. I talked 298 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 4: to Jasmine for hours. I talked to Kristen and Luke, 299 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 4: and you know, I think you'll see ups and downs 300 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 4: and lefts and rights, but you'll finally see resolution where 301 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 4: I wouldn't be surprised if it like it ends with 302 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: dot dot dot two be continued, you know, because there's 303 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 4: a lot of surprises, there's a lot of fun, and look, 304 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 4: we got babies coming, We got weddings coming. You know, eventually, 305 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: whether it ends with resolution, it will get there. 306 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 2: So you talk about speaking to Jack this morning. 307 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: What we did see in last week's episode was a 308 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: very powerful scene where you know, he and Brittany spoke 309 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: about his addiction and him checking himselfing to rehab. You 310 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: spoke to him today for thirty minutes. How is Jack's doing? 311 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: Jax is, He's doing really well. 312 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:19,520 Speaker 4: And you know, I reminded him today that you know, 313 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 4: you know this world, right, you live it, you film it, 314 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: then you have to live it again eight nine months later, right, 315 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 4: And we talk quite a bit about, you know, things 316 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 4: that we see on the show and comments that are 317 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 4: made and stuff like that. And I reminded Jacks this morning, 318 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 4: you are not the same person you were nine months ago. 319 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 4: You are one hundred and eighty days or one hundred 320 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 4: and sixty days sober, You are thirty five pounds of 321 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 4: solid muscle. The guy only eats chicken breast and hamburger 322 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 4: patties every day all day. So I'm like, just remember 323 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 4: who you are today because it's different. 324 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: Than you were nine months ago, and just. 325 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 4: Start to and grow, you know, every day, like when 326 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 4: he went into that facility the first time, he came 327 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 4: out with just a few tools, and the work wasn't 328 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 4: in the facility. 329 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 3: The work was getting the tools to continue the work. 330 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 4: And unfortunately for Jacks, I knew he was doing the 331 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 4: work in terms of his mental health, but his physical health. 332 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 4: The drinking the drugs was the reason he recognized it, 333 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 4: because mentally he was strong. He recognized it after another 334 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: month or two that he needed to go into rehab 335 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 4: for drugs and alcohol. 336 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 3: And now coming out of. 337 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 4: That second rehab and you know, doing the work by 338 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 4: going to AA meetings and doing the work by continuing, 339 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 4: you know, talking to me and talking to his friends 340 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 4: and stuff like that, I really think he's he has 341 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 4: an opportunity to become Jason Kouchi instead. 342 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: Of Jax Taylor. 343 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: That's a powerful statement. 344 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 3: That's what I ended the conversation with this morning. 345 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: Child. 346 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: We are just getting started. This is reality with the 347 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: King and I'm Carlos King. Let's get back into the show. Well, 348 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: your ex has said in this most recent episode. 349 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 2: That you are far worse than Jack's. 350 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,680 Speaker 1: Jacks has been seen as somebody that you know, supposedly 351 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, is verbally mean to Brittany called, you know, 352 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: fast shames her allegedly, he has denied it. A lot 353 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: of people have said they've seen the text messages and 354 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: they've seen what he's done. You know, Jacks is a 355 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: polarizing figure, but he also has receipts based on you know, 356 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 1: the shows he's been on where his behavior isn't the 357 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: most peachy keen. So based on all of that narrative, 358 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: prior to your conversation today, when your ex wife said 359 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: that you are far more worse than Jack's, how do 360 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 1: you feel about that comment? 361 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 4: It's Michelle's experience, right, you know what she's referring to, Like, 362 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,879 Speaker 4: I don't know, but Michelle's experience, what Michelle's going through 363 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: might feel or seem worse than what Brittney's going through, 364 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 4: what anybody going through a divorce or you know, having 365 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 4: a partner. I think it's it just comes down to 366 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 4: everybody's individual experience, right. And Michelle, like I said, she's hurting, 367 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: and what her experience is is like, look. 368 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: I know my fault. 369 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 4: You know, I know that I can be condescending. Michelle 370 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 4: and I work together, and you know there was there 371 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 4: was there wasn't a hierarchy in our business. But again, 372 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 4: it's like when you're fighting over a deal. Sometimes it's 373 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 4: hard to meet up in the kitchen and give her 374 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 4: a hug and a kiss, you know what I mean. 375 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 4: So it's it's all in the experience for anybody. So 376 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 4: whatever Michelle says about me, again, it's you know, it's 377 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 4: her own experience, and I can't invalidate that experience. 378 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: I can only I can only trust my experience. 379 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: She said that you don't provide any financial support. 380 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 3: She did multiple times. 381 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 2: I think, yeah, is that true. 382 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I don't. 383 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 4: I don't love to talk about and I wish Michelle 384 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 4: felt the same way to talk about personal and private 385 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: financial matters. But I will say, and I've said it 386 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 4: over and over again, Michelle and I were fifty to 387 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 4: fifty business partners. And the real estate business as a 388 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 4: whole in LA has been very bad for the last 389 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 4: few years. But Michelle and I were fifty to fifty 390 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: business partners, so if our business was hurting, we both 391 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 4: share fault fifty to fifty. And in terms of our finances, 392 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: Michelle had one hundred percent access to all of our accounts, 393 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: you know, from the credit union to the credit cards, 394 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 4: to the savings accounts, checking accounts. 395 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 3: Michelle had access to all of that. 396 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 4: So again, if there was spending and stuff like that, 397 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 4: like she had just as much of a fault as. 398 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: I did because she had complete control over that. 399 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 4: So you know, when she says things like that, it 400 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 4: kind of hurts me because, yeah, there's no child support 401 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 4: or alimony because we were partners in our business and 402 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 4: we you know, split our commissions fifty to fifty and 403 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 4: we you know, share custody fifty to fifty. 404 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 3: So we've moved forward. We have a custodial. 405 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: Agreement that works for both of us, and in terms 406 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 4: of that financial stuff, we are like this close, this 407 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: close to being able to move forward with our divorce 408 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 4: and you know, and be able to create a life 409 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 4: as co parents. 410 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: One of the things that we are seeing this season 411 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: is look first season, my brother Banker explosive allway craziness 412 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: right with Chew in your suit, you were playing any 413 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: games and we listen. The beauty of you to me 414 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: is the fact that is what you said. We can 415 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: see you have moments of you know, having a villain moment, 416 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: but we also see the hero. What we have seen 417 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 1: this season that has shocked the hell all of all 418 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: of us is the friendship that you have now. But Kristen, 419 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: can you talk about like how you guys went from 420 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 1: the craziness of last season to this season. My girl 421 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: is coming over to your house and you too are 422 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: having a ponderosa. 423 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 3: I will tell you exactly how it happened. 424 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: My girlfriend and my team missed our flight back from 425 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 4: Watch What Happens Live and we're sitting at the apartment 426 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 4: in New York and we were watching the episode and 427 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 4: I forget which episode it was, and I got the 428 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 4: most gracious text from Kristin that was like, Wow, I 429 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 4: didn't know what you were going through. I understand and 430 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: I looked at it and I was like, Kristin just 431 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: texted me. And from that point on it was again 432 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 4: it's like you're working on yourself, You're working to grow, 433 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 4: Like what is my responsibility in what happened? 434 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 3: Right? 435 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 4: And you know there was something the scene at Jackson's 436 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 4: pool with all of us. It was kind of like 437 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 4: the guys with the kids in season one. I had 438 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 4: a conversation with Luke that day about blind loyalty and 439 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 4: how he was sticking up for Kristen. He didn't understand 440 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 4: and what I realized in the work is I had 441 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: blind loyalty from Michelle. And what Kristin was saying it 442 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 4: was so hurtful because in the back of my mind, 443 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 4: I'm like, am I missing something? And you know, I 444 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 4: said to Kristin, and we've talked about it quite a bit. 445 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 4: Some of the work that I've been doing is like 446 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,199 Speaker 4: and I said it with her out back, is like 447 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 4: that underlying idea that maybe she's right, and then it's 448 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 4: like resent anger, hostility. 449 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: And my physical manifestation. 450 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 4: Of that was like, you know, like aggression, like I 451 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 4: was a hockey player, right, and like my physical manifestation 452 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 4: of these feelings was banging my hands on tables and 453 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: punching walls in the hallway and charging. You know, I 454 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 4: texted Zach a couple of days ago when I I 455 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:20,359 Speaker 4: saw like another angle of that hallway scene and I 456 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 4: didn't realize that I gave him a forearm shiver into 457 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 4: the wall on my way down to you know, fight Luke, 458 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 4: and I texted him like, dude, I am so sorry, 459 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 4: Like I never saw that angle before and I didn't 460 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: even know he was in the way. And yeah, you. 461 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 3: Start to realize, you start to look at. 462 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 4: Collateral damage and how you were the one who dropped 463 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 4: the bomb, and you know, you have to realize you're 464 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 4: the one who dropped the bomb, right, so the collateral 465 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 4: damage is not the problem. 466 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:49,440 Speaker 3: You're the problem. 467 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 4: And you know, Kristin and I have known each other 468 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: for a long time, and you know that text message 469 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 4: led to kind of a relationship with Luke and we 470 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 4: started working out together and then it really has has 471 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 4: been incredible the relationship that Kristen, Luke and I have 472 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 4: have formed. 473 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,919 Speaker 1: Suggested we got again to the most recent episode, this 474 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: boy's chap was a massacre. 475 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 4: Okay, again, you're on the waiting list, so don't ask 476 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 4: about it again, all right, boys, right now. 477 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: No, it's fine. 478 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't want to be on it if it's going 479 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 1: to be a disaster again. 480 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 2: So I want you to clear the air you have allegedly. 481 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 2: You know, I want to, I want to, I don't. 482 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,360 Speaker 1: I do not want to put words of your mouth, 483 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: So I want to be able to have you say it. Allegedly, 484 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: you send the group chat that your ex Michelle has 485 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: slept with a billionaire for fifteen hundred dollars a night 486 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: before I move on. Is that true that you said 487 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: that I did. Yeah, okay, is it true that she 488 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: did that. 489 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 4: I don't believe it's true, and I'm not never make 490 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 4: excuse for it. 491 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 3: I literally will tell you. I'll be completely honest with you. 492 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 4: I was triggered, and you know, I one of the 493 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 4: things I'm working on is and I talked to Kristen 494 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 4: about it. When I'm triggered, I immediately and I got 495 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 4: a tattooed on my arm. Emotion Cloud's reason. 496 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 3: But uh, yeah, no. 497 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,159 Speaker 4: I I get very reactive when I'm triggered, and I 498 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 4: don't take that deep breath and I don't. I don't, 499 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 4: I don't say okay, like you know what situation. 500 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 3: Am I am? 501 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 4: I just get very very reactive. And I was triggered 502 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 4: by something that happened. I sent it. I immediately was 503 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 4: like I should unsend this, and now I have to 504 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:45,879 Speaker 4: pay the consequences of it, and it's snowballs into you know. 505 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 3: I had this moment the other. 506 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 4: Day where you know, one day Isabella might be bullied 507 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 4: because of this thing that I did instead about her mother, 508 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 4: and I regret the second I hit sent. 509 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,239 Speaker 2: Did you say it because somebody told you this? 510 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: Or like, how does how did that even come about 511 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 1: like you saying that. 512 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I don't think it's worth giving any 513 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 4: more life to because I've apologized up and down to Michelle. 514 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: I've apologized to you know, even putting my friends in 515 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 4: that position to have to repeat it. 516 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to put any 517 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 3: more life into it. 518 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 2: Has Michelle accept your apology? 519 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: She should not and probably will never. 520 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: Are you and Michelle today on speaking terms? 521 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:42,920 Speaker 3: We are? 522 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, we've God, we've gotten so close. 523 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 4: I mean we had a moment, you know, in the 524 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 4: in the fall, and you'll see as the season plays out, 525 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 4: we were this close, and it's it's tough. It's a 526 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: tough ride, and we've had moments where I'll never forget. 527 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 4: I got a text message from Michelle and she's like, 528 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 4: Isabella wants. 529 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 3: Both of us to pick her up at school. I said, great, 530 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: come pick me up at my house. 531 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 4: Picked her up at school, and Michelle's like, do you 532 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 4: want to go get as i E bowls with us, 533 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 4: and I'm like, yeah, great, And then she came back 534 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 4: here and we watched Moana with Isabella and it's like, 535 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 4: you know, we're we're right there. You know, and it's 536 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 4: just it's difficult because you get so close and then 537 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 4: one thing happens and you both get triggered, and then 538 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 4: you take you know, you take two steps forward and 539 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 4: then it's thirty steps backwards. So we talk. You know, 540 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 4: it's it's going to be hard for her. Like I said, 541 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:40,560 Speaker 4: you know this world, you film it, you have resolution, 542 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: and then you have to relive it. And you know, 543 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 4: I think it's hard for everybody in our in our 544 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 4: lives to go through that. 545 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 3: And and we'll get there. We'll get there. 546 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 2: Are you. 547 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 1: At a place of forgiveness for Danny allegedly being the mall? 548 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: I think Danny the mall? Now you can think of 549 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: somebody else. You could think it's the twenty one other. 550 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: I Carlos King think Danny's the mole. He looked guilty, 551 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: he had, you know, deer call the headlights. I believe 552 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: Danny broke the bro code in a moment of pillow talk. 553 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: Okay, because one. 554 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: Thing, I know, Jesse, men like to gossip too, but 555 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: men like to gossip when it comes to the ladies 556 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: because it's a safer space. 557 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 5: So do you think Danny is the mole? Danny was 558 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 5: the mole in this situation. But I will say, boys, boys, 559 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 5: if you have a boy's chat. 560 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 4: Use a different goddamn eye cloud than you use on 561 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 4: your iPad that your kids use to watch Blue all right, Like, 562 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 4: I don't think anybody's the mole, but god damn, why 563 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 4: do you and your wife share the same cloud account? 564 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, look, Danny told me that, and 565 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 4: he asked if I was mad about it, and I'm like, no, 566 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 4: I'm not mad. 567 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 3: It's just another fire that I'll have to put out. 568 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: And you know, you can't be mad at somebody if 569 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 4: you take your own accountability for your actions. Right, Danny 570 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 4: didn't say it, I didn't spread it. I said it, 571 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: and I regret it. And god, you know it's not 572 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 4: Danny's fault. 573 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 2: You are a good man. I'm gonna say. I think 574 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 2: it's listen, I think it's fine. 575 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: But to me, to me, it's sort of just I 576 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: do shows about relationships, right, So I'm no when it 577 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: comes to couples that and there's there's nothing wrong with this, 578 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: but when you are in a relationship, you know, man, 579 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: do pillow talk and it is what it is. But 580 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: I thought it was more comedy that Danny looked so like, shit, 581 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: I got caught up. He looked did into the camera. 582 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: So to me, it was sort of like, man, you're guilty, 583 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 1: just be honest about it. 584 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: But I'm happy that he is. Danny's still in the 585 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 2: group chat. 586 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 3: Though Danny was Danny didn't last long after. 587 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 2: Oh you kicked him out? 588 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't. I'm not the administrator on the 589 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 3: group chat, you know what I mean. 590 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 4: I I can't confirm or deny Danny's on the group chat. 591 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 3: All right, we'll leave it chat. And you're talking about 592 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 3: pillow pillow talk. It kind of looked like Luke and 593 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: Danny were having pillow talk in that moment. I don't 594 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: know if it was Danny and Nea. 595 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 4: Looked like Danny and Luke were having a little little 596 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 4: cuddly pillow talk. 597 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: So, you know, I hey to each their own. 598 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: Okay, So before we wrap things up, you know, listen, 599 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: I love that this conversation is about your cleaning the air. 600 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: I did hear a rumor a little bit of information 601 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: about your past that I would like you to address. 602 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: You ready for this, Jesse? 603 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 604 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,479 Speaker 2: Is it true you dated Anna Nicole Smith? 605 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 4: It is not true that I dated in a Nicole. 606 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 4: It is true that we had a relationship, but we 607 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 4: weren't like we weren't dating. 608 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 2: Have you watched a documentary on Netflix? 609 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: I have, Yeah, I have. I did not. 610 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 4: I did not get called to to give any feedback, 611 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 4: but but yeah, I did watch it. 612 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 2: Good to know. Listen, you're a legend. You're a legend. 613 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: Not too too many people can say that makes you 614 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: rest in peace. I mean, listen, she has taste. You're 615 00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: a handsome guy. And I want to say this. I'm 616 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: happy we have this conversation because I can tell by 617 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: it there's a lot of growth, there's a lot of maturity, 618 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: and I do feel like you're somebody who is on 619 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: this path to just try to like figure things out. 620 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 1: And although as a reality star, like all of the 621 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: stars on reality television, you may go about it different ways, 622 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: but I do feel like you are somebody that lives 623 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 1: in the moment and once you see yourself reflect and 624 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: on television, I do feel like you use that as 625 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to do better. 626 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 2: So I do want to applaud you for that. 627 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: I know it's a tough business, the audience can be 628 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: very tough, but I do appreciate that you have not 629 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: allowed it to you know, crash out on social media. 630 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: So I just want to say, continue to do what 631 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: you're doing. 632 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: You are a fabulous, fabulous, fabulous addition to the show. 633 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with it. I'm looking forward to more things 634 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 1: with you. So is there anything you want to talk 635 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: to the audience about. You got promoting stuff where they 636 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: can find you, follow you, support anything you're doing. 637 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can follow me on everything at Jesse Lally 638 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 4: j E S s E not I E J S 639 00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 4: S E l A. 640 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: L L why. 641 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 4: You can follow Isabella on Instagram as well, Isabella Lally. Yeah, 642 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 4: I mean it's it's gonna be an exciting, exciting season. 643 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: For I think everybody. 644 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 4: You know, we're we're gonna have a reunion this year 645 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 4: which everybody knows about, which is going to be exciting. 646 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 3: My first time on the chair. 647 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 4: We have you know, Watch what Happens Live coming up, 648 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 4: which is gonna be fun. I did it last year, 649 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 4: but but this year it'll be you know, it's a different, 650 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 4: different stage to be on. 651 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 3: But uh yeah, I'll leave you with this. 652 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 4: You know, people ask me all the time if if 653 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 4: reality is real and the truth is you know, human nature, 654 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,439 Speaker 4: you throw a lot of things under the rug, right, 655 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,640 Speaker 4: and it's like, oh, you know, she drank two bottles 656 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 4: of Savignon blanc. 657 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: Ha ha. 658 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 3: I can't believe she said that. 659 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 4: But you have to realize that, you know, we're putting 660 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 4: positions where you have to think about it for three 661 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 4: or four days until you see somebody again and you're like, wow, 662 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 4: I can't. 663 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: Believe she said that. 664 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 4: How does that affect my career and my family and 665 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 4: my future? And you're put in a position to have 666 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 4: hard conversations that the majority of people brush under the rug. 667 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,279 Speaker 4: And I think what you'll learn from reality TV and 668 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 4: what you should take into your own life is that 669 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 4: have those hard conversations because like the audience, you know, 670 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,720 Speaker 4: I can, you know, accuse Michelle of being an escort, 671 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 4: but eventually it's it. You know, if you take accountability 672 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 4: for your actions and you have the hard conversation, it's 673 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 4: going to disappear eventually, right, But if you let it, 674 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 4: let it simmer and simmer and simmer, you're going to 675 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 4: have happen. What happened to Michelle and I. Michelle and 676 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 4: I had conversations for two years about separating, got a 677 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 4: new house, swept the dust under the rug and then 678 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 4: had to have those hard conversations and if you don't 679 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 4: have them now, it will destroy you and eat you alive. 680 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 2: That's very true. That's very true. So listen. 681 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to the rest of the season and 682 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: rain Drops. You can catt A Valley every single Tuesday 683 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: on Bravo and then the next day on Peacock. Jesse, 684 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: thank you for stepping into Reality with the King and 685 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: I'll see you soon. 686 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 3: Thank you you are the King. Thank you so much 687 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:18,359 Speaker 3: for having me. 688 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Reality with the Kings. 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