WEBVTT - Quadruple OG: The Ori Spado Story 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:05.240 You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald and 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:09.600 Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network material witness on 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.360 an aggregated battery, I was a hang gun and um, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.720 they believe this might be in retaliation to our testimony. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.080 Good morning, good afternoon, and good evening wherever you may 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:26.760 be listening from. Welcome to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:29.840 My name is Alex Alonso from Street TV a k a. 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.199 Street Gangs, and I'm here with my co host James 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:36.480 McDonald and we are what's this our second episode without 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.640 Reggie Wright Jr. So we're doing the show. 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And I'm at all social 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:31.400 media platforms at alex Alonso one zero one that's on Twitter, Instagram, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:36.040 and Facebook. So, James, before we go into our show, 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:37.680 we got a special guest. But I want to just 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.760 cover a couple of facts from from the last couple 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.680 of weeks. I think I said that John Connolly, who 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:47.360 was the FBI agent that was working with Rusty Boulger 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:51.400 and Boston, was sentenced to life in prison. That is incorrect. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.440 He was sentenced to ten years in the FEDS in 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:57.239 two thousand two. Then he got out in two thousand 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.000 eleven and they um, the State of Florida picked them 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.240 up for a murder and he was sent to forty 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.400 years there. The State of Florida has him scheduled for 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:11.800 his first parole date in twenty thirty nine and he 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:15.519 will be ninety eight years old. Yeah, what are you 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.800 if he's gonna even make it to years old inside 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:25.480 the Feds. Yeah, that's crazy. Now. About two episodes ago, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:30.280 James Reggie Wright Jr. Was talking about the book deal 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.519 that maybe ray j has about Sugar Knight and ray 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.400 j Um Sugar Knight and whatever they're gonna whatever they're doing. 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:38.240 But I had through out there that hey, you don't 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.160 have to be on a major publishing shing, and you 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.120 could be an independent writer and get on a major 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:46.680 publishing like like um Monster Cody did and he was 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:49.320 published on Penguin. James had said, what do you say, 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:52.560 sinthing all that ain't no major publishing company. But Penguin 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.800 Publishing was founded in nineteen thirty four. It operates out 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:59.000 of London, England, and it is one of the biggest 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.920 publishers the history of America, I mean in history of 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.800 the world. Reggie didn't Reggie didn't know. And just because 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:09.240 Monster Cody from Matrix Gangster Crypt published his book under Penguin, 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.320 don't mean it was a major And I thought that 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.640 was a hell of accomplishment. Because Homeboy wrote his book 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.320 in the shoe in um Pelican Bay Duty. Yeah, well, 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:19.360 you know if he when he gave up the material, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.800 they read that book and went through it and and 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.880 they re rewritten some stuff in there. Well, I don't 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.480 know the specifics of it, but it was a hell 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:31.840 of a book. It came out of. It's called An 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:36.800 Autobiography of a Los Angeles gang Member on Penguin. Penguin 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.719 is now merged with Random House since two thousand and thirteen. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.520 So I just wanted to correct Reggie Wright Jr. On 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.520 that Penguin is a major publishing house. And the last 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:49.719 fact check, well, this ain't really a fact check. I 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.000 wanted to find out what was bus stop from O 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.880 F TBS real his actual job now I heard it 0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.239 when he was a Cairo practor. I couldn't find it out, 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.839 so anyone out there knows, please hit us up. His 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.040 real name is Sammy Williams, and I couldn't figure out 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:07.200 what is his current profession, but I believe he's in 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:09.680 the medical field, which is amazing because he's from the 0:05:09.680 --> 0:05:12.279 Bounty Hunters. He's from aout the Nickersons. Well, I mean, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.200 good things come out of the project, for sure, Good 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:18.800 things come out of everywhere in every neighborhood. You got 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.840 some you got some catch that got skills. And your 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.320 brother was close to all them guys from o FTB right, Charlotte, 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:30.960 where we all were, We always close to him, um everybody. Yeah, 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.200 we had a good report with him. It was just 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:41.120 the politics that that divided everybody. Okay, all right, So 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:42.520 I just want to I got a just couple of 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.719 news updates um Joshua Brown and the Joshua Brown case 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.920 out in Texas. That guy Dad, he is green from 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:53.560 Louisiana is still on the run. Remember there was three 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:58.520 guys wanted. They're arrested too. I was just talking to 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:03.320 somebody that live out there and he was telling me 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.400 some interesting stuff about it. And he one thing he 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:10.320 was saying that the police had some of those guys. Well, 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.480 this is one of these theories out there. The police 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:17.640 so those guys to get at him. What happened was 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.040 they said that first they thought he wouldn't gonna be 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.240 a credible witness because he, you know, sale marijuana, his 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.000 track record and all that. They brung all that up 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:30.800 in court. But he's still testified on the behalf of 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:35.080 the guy that got killed. But then they said that 0:06:35.120 --> 0:06:38.200 he turned out to be such a good witness and whatever. 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:42.000 You uh. The police didn't want him because of the 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.560 the lawsuit that was coming from the mama, so they 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.760 had to get rid of me. So, I don't you know, 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.160 this is just here say what he was telling me. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.720 That is a lot going on out there. I think 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.279 there's a lot of unanswered questions even though it seemed 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:57.360 like maybe it was just a drug deal went bad, 0:06:57.400 --> 0:07:00.960 but they're still it still smells to me, but I 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:02.800 don't I don't know. It's too early right now to 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.560 even try to speculate on whether the Dallas p D 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:08.520 had anything to do with josh A Bound's murder. If 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.920 it was just one thing. I did ask you, I said, well, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:14.400 do you see all of these things on the news, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.160 the three guys, this guy getting killed. Oh yeah, it 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.440 was on the news everywhere when it happened. So this 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.840 situation does exist. So we were sitting there like it's impossible. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.720 Why why we ain't hearing about it? We ain't in Texas, 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:33.239 we don't get to Texas news. So it's definitely happening. 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.360 And those guys words shot and the whole nine is 0:07:37.400 --> 0:07:40.800 for real. Well hopefully, um we we're gonna stay on 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.200 that story because nobody's talking about it right now, but 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:44.880 if we learned something to new about it, you're gonna 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.600 hear about it on the Gangster chronicles. Uh did you 0:07:47.640 --> 0:07:51.440 hear about Badass from Long Beach who was briefly signed 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.880 the death row records during the nineties. He died in 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:57.920 police custody a few days ago in Riverside County. Wow, 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.880 nobody knows what else. He's only for three years old. 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:04.040 I'm gonna says peace to you, my brother. You know 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.040 what I'm saying. Man, you really didn't know each other. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.480 Ranting to you, but we really didn't, you know, kicking 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:12.360 like that and none but rist in peace. Yeah, rest 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.920 in peace too, badass from Long Beach. Um. We'll find 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.000 out what happened to him in the next couple of 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.320 coming days. And the last thing I want to say 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.720 is Um, the East Coast Crips and the Florence Third 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.679 Teams had their third face to face meeting. I believe 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:29.800 it was either October thirty one or November one. I 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:31.840 was out of town, so I wasn't able to attend it. 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.040 But there is footage online if you go to Skip 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:39.200 Townsend's YouTube channel, he has about two minutes of footage. 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.520 For those of you who don't believe this is true 0:08:42.040 --> 0:08:45.040 that have been questioning whether or not that the East 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:47.480 Coast and the Florences came together, they came together again 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.280 and there's actual video footage on YouTube that you can see. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:55.200 You see a bunch of Mexicans, about a hundred of them, Cynthien. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.360 That's the video I'm talking about Cynthia Senator Van And 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:02.040 you know, it's it's crazy that we we put ourselves 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:04.360 down when you're doing good things like this. You know 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.760 a lot of catches. Are they only doing this because 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.880 of Donald Trump? I wouldn't give an if if it 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.600 took Donald Trump to get these two neighborhoods together, then 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.760 fuck it. I give a high poet Donald Trump and 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.000 putting them together definitely, but we need to get them 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.480 gains the Chronicles and everybody can hear this story. Yeah, 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.240 maybe everybody needs to know what's going on. I'll reach 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.160 out to a little doc and see if we can 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.880 get a representative from Florence thirteen and perhaps come here 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.720 and just talk about this monumental truce between two gangs 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:39.719 that have been worn for twenty years. And lastly, we 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:43.640 gotta shout out Nori from the Drink Champs. Nori went on, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.079 he went on the podcast called No Jumper and guess who. 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.199 He said it was the best podcast out right now, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.480 that was crazy. He said, The Gangster Chronicles is the 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:58.040 best podcast out right. The way he explained each and 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.400 everybody roll and I was like, man, he compared us 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.599 to the TV show um Um, the one out of Baltimore, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.880 but the Gangsters of the Police, Um the Wire. He said, 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:14.199 the Gangster Chronicles podcast is like the TV show The Wire. 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:17.240 I don't know, but that's a hell of a compliment. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.520 Damn show is. And and it had me choked up 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.319 because I'm like, I'm not into it. I don't look 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.440 at the and I'm bullshitt y'all not I don't look 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:28.800 at the comments. I don't look at none of these bodios. 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:31.520 I don't do none of it. I come in here 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 and after the show is over, I go home and 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:37.600 I'm waiting on another week. I don't fare attention to it. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:42.240 So I got people coming to me, coming up to 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:46.040 me at the stores that to swap me, uh, pull 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:47.600 up on the side of me and take a double 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:52.040 take and say, oh you guys chronic. It is overwhelming 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.640 to me. I mean, I didn't went from here all 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.280 the way to hear where I'm at now and and 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.640 being recognized, Man, you helped me this, You helped me that, 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.640 you helped me through a hard time on this and 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.960 and we appreciate all y'all. We appreciate all y'all I 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.400 appreciate y'all from the bottom of my heart. Um, I 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.839 never thought I would be in a position where I'm 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:17.360 at now. He even offered us distribution in case we 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:20.240 needed it, that's how much he loved the show. But 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:24.080 I've known Nori man. I think i've know Norith about 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.200 twelve years now, and he's always been a good guy. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.040 Whenever he comes to l A, when if he's not 0:11:28.080 --> 0:11:30.400 too busy, he hits me up. I was surprised that 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:32.160 he shot. I didn't even know Nori. I haven't talked 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:34.560 to Nori since we've been doing this podcast, so I 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.839 was surprised that he even you know, because he got 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.840 his own podcast, the Drink Champs, and that is one 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.880 of the top podcasts and the music category. So I 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.280 know he's busy with doing his podcast, but he's listening 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:47.960 to us. I just want a guy. I thought it 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:52.680 was uh noring, somebody ship man, get my boys a 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.440 shout out. I'm like, man, it's just dude, for real. 0:11:56.920 --> 0:12:00.079 He on there and and it was it was some 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.880 else or something else, all right, So we got a 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.439 special guest today. This guy is born in New York, 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.280 came out to l A, has a career and entertainment, 0:12:10.679 --> 0:12:14.600 but he is tangentially linked to organized crime. He just 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:19.480 came out with a book called The Accidental Gangster Rii Spado. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.440 But before we go into a conversation with Rii Spado, 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:28.720 let's play this clip. I equate a good gang shirt 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.720 up there with a doctor or a good lawyer. There's 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.920 good gangers, are bad answers. You know, it's like anything 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:39.839 else in life and any other segment of life. But 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.640 being a true gang shirt, most people would thinking maybe 0:12:44.679 --> 0:12:48.600 I'm a little mentally, maybe press I am. But to 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.679 be a true gang shirt you have to be in 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:55.160 telling you you know, if you mentioned a few guys 0:12:55.200 --> 0:13:00.440 that I knew, and what's separation those guys my last 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:08.640 Frank and Sello tell Michel Sunday Clinch, Jimmy Toschi, Jimmy Toschi. 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.040 Even though there was a pretty time he couldn't you know, right, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.320 but they were still smarting. There was still on TV 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:21.280 right now, The Great Do Yes, it seems like they're 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:24.160 show kind of mirrors of life a whole look in 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:27.760 a way. Yes, because when I came down to the HollyHood, 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.800 I knew Dino Dealer right there, Roll sur being I 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:34.200 know if anybody knows who Dino Dealer Runt was. But 0:13:34.720 --> 0:13:36.880 at that time, back in the day, he was the 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.640 biggest lender, brenda producer round and did King Kong across 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:45.559 a hundred and thirty forest three tons of movies. I 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.960 became close with them. He was he came from Italy 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:53.080 and they were involved with Carlo Ponti over there in 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:58.320 the film business, and he was very successful. And I 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.920 became friends. And the next day you know, there's a 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.480 problem there, a problem there. And then I went on. 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.920 I talked to people, they were reading the problems. Like 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:12.600 just sitting down with people, I could trib you my 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:18.280 experiences a salesman of someone he turned for understanding people 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.600 and being able to sit down and take care of 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.520 the problem. So you were what they were called, the fixer. 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:29.640 I was knownally the Hollywood fixer. How much show you 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:35.120 think they broke month? I only think maybe somebody saw 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.960 off picked up something and the writers wants the writer 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:42.280 to get something. He changed it all for totally. He 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.040 had a writer and wanted the doors for TV pilot 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.160 about me. I mean I read that and you know 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:52.360 who the hell he was talking about. There was no 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:57.280 of someone's at all. I think the writer probably agreement 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.840 and the reality was open to even think they would 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:06.360 agree the breaking. But there's a whole another situation, and 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.360 we could talk three years of out writers and how 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:14.040 but everything's too rich for it. Seems like all my life, 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.760 people always part of me as a gangster. But for 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.800 many years I was a successful a churchman and the 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:27.040 leading agent for the potential in Church company. And then 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.280 I had my own agency where I serviced Automo bill 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:34.800 dealers with a training for a Brahm and where I 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:40.040 saw the credit life and accident and health insurch That 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:46.160 became my first indictment. A guy that I took that 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:50.560 never made more than thirty tho dollars a year, I 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.800 brought him in a gentleman. I can't call him a gentleman, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:58.920 but he was making over a hundred grand year with me. Uh, 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.520 my company was growing very quickly. I was going very well, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:08.480 and he became very jealous. He found out about a 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.720 deal that I had with the in Church company where 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.880 I was allowed to use the premium to grow my business. 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.560 And then he tried to say that you know that 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:24.600 I was friends with Sonny Francais Maya Lansky and others, 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:29.680 which showed he was trying to get me into tape conversations. Anyway, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:33.920 that became my first indictment, and I was facing fifty 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.040 five years in prison, and it was my first case. 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.800 I ended up getting five years probation. But once I 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:45.520 had that fewn he was like, you know, and I 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:49.520 became who I was. I left there, I went to 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:54.480 San Francisco, and I became very well known in San 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.920 Francisco in a very short period of time. I already 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:04.159 known Sonny Franchise, all right, I knew my Orlanski, and 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:08.640 through life I got the net other well known gangsters. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:14.480 That's all in my book. Carlo Marcello Russell Buffalino's who 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.560 Joe Pesci plays in a new film The Irishman. Yeah, 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:23.879 so I had yeah, hell of a life. Do you 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:32.919 have some feelings here you? For example, well, Michael Harris, yeah, Harrio? 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.200 How long that him was? I don't know if even 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.440 the guy know who Danny Sinton was, but then he 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.919 was the first guy that produced Bob Marley. Uh. Danny 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:48.280 was big in the music business. And when Danny was 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.560 in Los Angeles, I was a guy who took care 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:55.280 of Danny and he probably Yeah. When he was in 0:17:55.359 --> 0:17:58.639 New York, it was joe Piney and when he was 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:03.080 in London, it was my snake, Joey Pile. Danny knew 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:06.080 how to work the system really good and he was 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:11.520 always protected. But he came here, and before he came here, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.120 he stopped in New York. He was with White Cleft, 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:18.440 and through White Cleft he met Asian Jack and they 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:24.720 came out here with and wanted me to handle problem 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.200 was shog Knight. Lydia was so underver the little issue 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.960 is wanted me to talked to Show and uh I 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:37.159 met Lydia Asian Jack. Asian Jack ended up thinking on 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.560 my couch for a year, so I found out who 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:46.159 he really was. But they went back and forth and 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.240 every time that he was here, she got Michael long 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.359 At help. But there was not a need for me 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:57.639 at that situation be to sit down with Show, because 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.399 I really didn't know who was right who is wrong 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:06.880 in the situation, and when Michael being in prison and 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:10.040 his wife an thanks for him, it was not a 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.680 proper situation for me to get involved in. Patian Jack. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:18.560 He's a good talker's a good looking boy. He was fast, 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.600 fast with a woman. We're a hustler. He he was 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.040 getting money from White Club, John and Jerry wonder Urb 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:30.280 and all these people. It's up on my couch and 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:36.639 grow my son's cart. For a year. Never offered to 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.400 put up a five cents. And then I found out 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.040 the truth about Asian. What happened. What he wanted. There's 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:47.960 something in the music business. He wanted me to be involved, 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:51.200 and i'mby donst to me. He was going around Los 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.879 Angeles stone everybody. He was with me, so that was 0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.480 sort of like a guarantee on him. When he was 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:02.639 mentioning mining, white Cliffe and I became front. White Cloth 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.760 called me and it was round Christmas time and he 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.399 was the friends when Naomi Campbell and they only was 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:14.160 being stalked by this guy out Long Island. I think 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:17.840 this was somewhere that in nineties. Boy called Naomi boy 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.959 I was going. She happened to be having a Christmas party. 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.480 Bro I went there. She had valet party and all 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:30.080 that they're told the guys leave my car air. I 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.720 went in and they only brought me into her office. 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.120 We talked. She gave me the information that I needed. 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:39.800 I should think g go, she should have stay at 0:20:39.800 --> 0:20:43.160 the party. You know a lot of people. I shouldn't 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.320 really have to run any ship, I shaid, I just 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:48.240 walked through and say, oh so, I walked through the 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.840 room where the party was and shut aloud to a 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:55.600 few people. A few late days later, I'm sitting in 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.440 my share at home, Jack sitting on his couch. I 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.040 lived over on his wall dry every the time. I 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.840 found the guys that dressing Long Island, and they went 0:21:04.880 --> 0:21:10.120 to his home and the long Guyland, and when they 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:17.600 got there, if I'm on the telephone, and I told 0:21:17.640 --> 0:21:21.760 him exactly that I did not want him to even 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.439 think about the only Campbell. He wasn't the emailer, he 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.200 wasn't the color. He wasn't to look at it. He's 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.760 not the telephone. I should know. I should see those 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:35.120 fool guys in front of you right now, he said, yeah, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:39.800 should there being very nice right now, I should. If 0:21:39.800 --> 0:21:43.000 you ever see them again, that would be the last 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.919 face that you're everybody see. Jay gets up and go 0:21:46.080 --> 0:21:49.919 to my dining room table because Naomi, he says he 0:21:50.040 --> 0:21:56.240 took care of it. He was just trying to he 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:59.280 was from what I want to find out. Everybody wanted 0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:03.399 to say that what's up. Jack took credit for killings 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:07.280 that other people did well. So pretty much what you've 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.600 seen Jack, That's what I'm saying, not in my book. 0:22:12.320 --> 0:22:15.119 Like I said, he was a fast doctor, good looking guy, 0:22:15.480 --> 0:22:20.080 and he hustled. Everybody never worked with David. I made 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.199 a legitimate dollar. Not that I'm all that pole here 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:29.120 that thou But if we make money together or I'm 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:31.680 taking care of you, you made some money, you're gonna 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.320 come over and say, here, do the right thing. But 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:40.560 I had an overstock of what they called me, all 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:47.760 the DVDs, the CDs from Universal. So my mate Joey Poylo, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:52.120 the bossa London At, a guy named Ron Winters. Ryan 0:22:52.240 --> 0:22:56.560 was big into music business and Ryan with a Canivan, 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.399 son of a bitch. He was good at He was 0:22:59.440 --> 0:23:02.320 a good guy. He said he wanted to buy him 0:23:02.320 --> 0:23:05.040 when it came to a price. And then he told 0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:08.240 me he's wired the money to me. I give him 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.560 my banking and I'd be their way on my bank. 0:23:11.680 --> 0:23:16.560 On my bank one called Ron. He'd actually give me 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.800 a number that he transferred. Nobody can find a number 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:23.200 that he come up. While I had to go through 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.720 the Bank of Landa for one back to another bank 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.040 by trying he gets there, and then I founally found 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:34.919 out he was bullshitting, and then through somebody in the 0:23:35.000 --> 0:23:41.440 movie industry, because when Ron would come to town, he 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.960 would never tell anybody where he was staying, and he 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:47.360 never checked in on your real name, so you could 0:23:47.480 --> 0:23:52.560 find a guy. My guy said he had a meeting 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:55.000 with this guy, rond Winters at the Beverly Wilsters and 0:23:55.119 --> 0:24:01.960 what I shouldn't want to go water? And I went, 0:24:02.040 --> 0:24:04.399 and I was at the bar, and he's promised that 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:09.159 he would come downars and get me. I was literally 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:13.800 gonna hang this fucking guy out the window. Unbeknown to me, 0:24:15.160 --> 0:24:18.880