WEBVTT - A&G On Demand Thursday June 18 Hour 4 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:25.840 Mark Zuckerberg is promoting the extremist because Mark Zuckerberg is 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:32.000 actually sea his site, the Zuckerberg site has actually set 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:40.360 up set up like add promotions that actually push people 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:49.440 towards extremists, sites that kill federal officers, and Mark Zuckerberg 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:57.480 becomes a billionaire. So that's Joe Scarborough obviously pretty fired 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.440 up about Facebook and Zuckerberg. What was he talking about 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:05.120 particularly there, Facebook and its role in federal officers being killed? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.440 Do we want to talk about the boogaloo movement here? 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.320 Or what is the boogaloo movement? I've heard you say that, 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.199 I've seen it somewhere. Uh So this is the new 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:21.360 uh extreme far right kind of crew. Um. Uh most, 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.040 this is the next most likely group to show up 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.160 at a at a pizza joint thinking there's a pedophile 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:33.400 ring in the basement out their internet organized right wing extremes. 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:37.479 Right wing extremist called allegedly that Air Force guy who 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:40.000 killed a couple of cops is part of that. Yes, 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.080 and so that's the incident that he's referring to in 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.600 the Oakland protest. There was one of these guys who 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.120 was using that as an opportunity to quote unquote try 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:49.440 to start a race war, depending on which article you 0:01:49.520 --> 0:01:52.640 read of the and scarboroughs of the belief that Facebook 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.800 needs to find a way to monitor those and keep 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.560 them off the site, right. And then you got NBC 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.480 mobilizing activist groups to defund conservative websites on Google, and 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:08.320 Google saying you have to police your content even as 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.000 they say we don't have to police our content, and 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.520 big tech just scary. I saw this piece and Wired 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.040 dot com caught my eye. Facebook groups are destroying America, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:23.840 and uh it talks about how these uh, it's actually 0:02:23.840 --> 0:02:28.000 pretty interesting, um about how you have these private Facebook 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.440 groups are closed groups, you know, not everybody can see 0:02:30.480 --> 0:02:32.240 what's posted in the rest of it, and families have 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:35.120 them or or whatever. But they talk about how bad 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:40.080 actors can infiltrate them and start spreading misinformation trolls and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.840 Russian bot farms and the rest of it. Um. But 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.840 then you get into this. Groups continue to be used 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:50.040 for political disinformation. The Obama Gate conspiracy theory is yet 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:54.560 to be defined in clear terms, even by its own adherence. Uh, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:58.120 that's not right. And yet our analysis of face groups 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:02.000 groups show that the false narrative that the Obama administration 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:06.040 illegally spied against people associated with the Trump campaign is 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.960 being being fueled and nurtured there. Ah, So that's false, 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.680 even though the stated is fact, even though the current 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.280 Attorney General says that is what happened. Well, the Inspector General, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:23.440 who is completely nonpartisan, says that there were many, many, 0:03:23.600 --> 0:03:27.240 uh illegal activities and getting the FISA warrant, And the 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.120 head of the FBI says, if I knew now what 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.639 I knew that, I never would assigned it. But they 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.160 just stated as fact and wired that. Um, the false narrative, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.480 blah blah blah. It's it's a conspiracy theory, blah blah blah. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.040 It's unbelievable. So but is there some is there a 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:45.280 growing belief that Facebook is like the home of right 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.440 wing stuff and Twitter is the left wing stuff. I'm 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.760 not on Facebook. I'm on Twitter every day, but I'm 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:52.880 never on Facebook, So I don't really know much about 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.760 the left thinks thinks there's too many quote unquote Nazis 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:58.360 on Twitter too, right, Like a lot of these social 0:03:58.360 --> 0:04:01.120 media sites hit the sweet spat of both sides. Think 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:04.440 they're doing horribly. Um, but if you were to pull 0:04:05.120 --> 0:04:09.560 uh particularly you know, probably thirty five and unders rank 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.960 the political leanings of these social media sites. Facebook would 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.840 probably be the far right one. Interesting are the most right? 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:21.480 Not far It's certainly an older platform, yes, by many years. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.560 Your average Facebook or is much older than your average 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:34.000 instagrammer or whatever, snap, twitch, blitch. How much of Facebook blump? 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:37.039 How much is Facebook is political at this point? Or 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.760 is it still dominated by a lot of people who 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:41.400 just much too much? Is the just have pages that 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.240 are about their their their grandkids and their lives in 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:47.720 their new puppy and that sort of stuff. I don't know. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.080 But the issue is, should uh, the evil Mark Zuckerberg, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:55.760 who is indeed the Antichrist Zuckerberg? Should he be awaying 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.520 in and finding they hate stuff and getting rid of it. Well, 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:02.040 at the very at least adjust your algorithms so that 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:04.560 doesn't become a prominent thing on my news feed just 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.240 because it's getting a lot of engagement. Well, that's a 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.840 tough one. That's a tough one because it is one 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.760 of the they're they're not technically a publisher, but as 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.760 one of the largest publishing outfits in the world, they 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.800 allow things to be seen that you had had to 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:25.560 work hard to find otherwise. So they're algorithms pushed them 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.960 toward people who might be open to the idea or 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.919 at least um you know, of whatever the view is, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.440 or at least you know curious enough to whatever um, 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.320 but would have never you'd never been able to find 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.800 it before, you wouldn't even know it existed. I'm not 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.080 on Facebook. I didn't know what boogaloo was, but so 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.640 if I were on A. McCartney's nickname the early seventies, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.719 I think today's his birthday, it is, have your birthday, Paul? 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.280 How old is? I'm not gonna say, Sir Paul, because 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:55.320 number one, the idea of a night is idiotic, and 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.279 number two, I'm not British, but he's seventy eight, Michael 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:04.479 the same ages Joe Biden, only four year old years 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:08.320 older than our current president. So he seems to be 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:13.320 he's his mental faculties about him, Sir Paul. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:16.240 he does. He does. Seems sharp as it can be. Fantastic, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:22.360 charming fella. Anyway that banned the Beatles. Seriously, Oh I do, um, 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.200 I do? I would like it if these these these 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.760 platforms that have so much power to get information out 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:32.880 could figure out a way to not push stuff that 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.120 otherwise you wouldn't be able to come across. It's really 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.400 doing them a favor. It's really doing like your most um. 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.600 He isn't the word extreme because we've used the word 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:48.800 extreme twenty times already in this conversation. A fringe their 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.360 their fringe ideas that are getting put in a prominent 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.080 spot and then therefore just having a chance to grow. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.680 And that I don't think that does anybody any good. Yeah, 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.159 one of the great downsides of the Internet is some 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.800 of the sickest among us. Who couldn't you know? It's 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:07.960 very much like a virus and and I realized the 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.040 term viral is is overused. But if you think, you know, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:16.680 I really like having sex with children, oh boy, you're 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.000 not going to be able to spread that virus because 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.640 you can't find anybody else who who's willing to take 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:26.000 it on. And you keep it to yourself. You realize 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.960 you're sick, You realize I gotta keep this under wraps. 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:30.920 I can't do it. You bring it up at the bar, 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:34.040 you get beat upright exactly. Yeah, as opposed to with 0:07:34.080 --> 0:07:38.640 the Internet, you can find a hundred thousand people who say, heck, yeah, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.680 me too. You're right, that's not weird at all. Good 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.720 for you. Oh, it's so ugly. It reinforces such such 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:51.000 terrible things. I mean obviously, and we've plowed this turf before, 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:57.440 plowed this ground. But how do I how do I 0:07:57.480 --> 0:08:01.240 put this exactly? Well, it's just and there are some 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.840 things that should not catch there are some things that 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.360 should not be seen, They should not be discussed. Um. 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:08.320 Oh man, I saw a great ad the other day. 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:09.760 I wish we could get it going in the US. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.920 It was a uh it was done in New Zealand 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:17.280 and it was naked. Couple shows up at this lady's 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:22.400 front door, super ripped dude, hot hot gal. There ass 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:25.880 nude okay. Their bits are are covered up by like 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.560 the railing of the porch. It's cleverly done, you know. Um. 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.760 And they say hello, we're here to see Jimmy. And 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:38.240 Mom's like what. And they said, well, Jimmy watches us 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.480 having sex online and we wanted to meet him and 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.440 talk to him, and and and mom is you know 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:48.120 aghast and and and then the two alleged porn actors 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.640 actually say some really cool stuff about oh yeah, I 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:53.240 want to mention to him that. Look, I never asked 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.400 for consent. It just happens at all. And that's not 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:57.840 how real life works. And I do things, you know 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.920 in these movies nobody ever does, and and nobody wants 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:04.840 and and the woman's like, oh yeah, that sort of thing. 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.280 There's no real woman who wants that. And we just 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.760 want to let Jimmy know that. And and then mom says, oh, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.960 I think maybe it's time to have a talk with 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.920 Jimmy about the difference between what he sees online and 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.520 real life relationships. I thought that was good. Yeah, God, 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.440 dang it. We're just we're just entering that world with 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:24.960 the kids getting better at exploring on the internet. They 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.440 don't have necessarily the the you know, the sex drive 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:31.679 thing happening yet, but just the exploring the internet that 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.320 we're we're in it. We're at a state with a 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.599 ten year old and a year old. It's more of 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:39.120 an accidentally coming across something that seeking it out mostly. 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:43.839 But um, it's just and I know every generation has said, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:48.760 you know, today's harder to raise kids. And I'm sure 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.720 they've been saying that since and there'll be you know, 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:52.040 when I was a kid, they didn't have the wheel 0:09:52.120 --> 0:09:54.600 you didn't have to worry about some kid going out 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.800 there getting run over by a wheel because we map 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:03.240 the wheel. But the Internet is just uh an opportunity 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:06.040 and everybody knows this. I'm not saying anything new here, 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.560 but the an opportunity that there wasn't even anything close 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:12.960 to that prior to the Internet, for an opportunity for 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:17.080 kids to get, you know, into whether it's conversing with 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:18.600 the some of the human beings you were just talking 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.680 about some of the worst human beings on Earth my 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:24.560 kids can talk to today would have been impossible. And 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.760 those people are anxious to talk to your kids and 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:28.560 are clever it figuring out how to get to him 0:10:28.800 --> 0:10:32.480 and um, and it wasn't even possible a few years back. 0:10:34.440 --> 0:10:37.400 That's just it's absolutely amazing. I'm surprised we haven't come 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:42.560 up with a better way to to to weed that out, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:45.160 to have that stuff harder to get to. That it's 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.160 that it's still as wide open as it is on 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.640 the Internet. Is it a technical difficulty, is it a 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.720 First Amendment difficulty? Is it all wrapped together? I still 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.680 don't understand why all pornography can't be on a on 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:01.720 a you know, dot x x x website and it's 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.920 everybody can go there who wants to. But I can 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:06.240 put a simple filter on my computer it says, don't 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:08.600 go to those websites and understand why we can't do that. 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:13.120 Who's gonna enforce that? When the guy puts it on 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:18.520 dot com out of you know, alley in Bangkok or 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.559 what have you. There's just there's no way to filter 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:23.600 that out coming into our country with our with our 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.320 internet providers. I don't think so. I mean, if you 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.520 find it, but the bad guys are always a step 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:30.520 ahead of the good guys. I mean, I I name 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:35.280 my hard core sicko porn site nice Puffies dot com. 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:38.040 But if there was a if there was enough, um, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.800 there's no restrictions on the porn on dot x X, 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:43.280 what would x x X. What would be the advantage 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.960 that all your audience that you want for your porn 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.080 is over there? What would be the advantage to go 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.040 into the other Because they if there's a monetary system 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.520 based on clicks, they don't care how old the person is. 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.320 By by putting it in a place that isn't gated 0:11:56.360 --> 0:11:59.440 off by the dot x x X, they are able 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.920 to farm more clicks and However, the economic Okay, that 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.720 makes sense to me because there would be enough parents 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.199 that wouldn't you know, they wouldn't allow it into their home. Uh, 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.640 And then there'd be a billion clicks out there for 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.280 high school boys for instance. Okay, maybe a click farmer 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.080 is the compromise for me, because I kind of like 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.679 the modern world and I kind of like a more 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.360 old timey, small town existence. So I want to become 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:24.240 a farmer, but I don't know how to grow crops. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.360 And maybe I could be a click farmer just a 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.239 wall of a hundred iPhones. Yeah, I'd have the coveralls 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:32.480 and the straw and a tractor and everything. And in 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.920 a hundred iPhones or a thousand iPhones, this is a 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:37.920 growing on this farm. This is a growing movement. By 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:39.520 the way, there are a lot of Congress people looking 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.120 into this and trying to figure it out, and I 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.400 would love for them to succeed in that. I would. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.000 I haven't heard the solution. I actually wonder if it 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.000 doesn't have to do with like people who are in Congress, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.200 who are around a certain age, who kids are entering 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:52.760 that age of the Internet, who have all of a 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.920 sudden decide what can I do about this. I think 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.040 that might be white's bubbling upright, Yeah, I think so. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:00.199 I think you're absolutely right. Just a quick screed. All 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:03.920 the children listening to the show. I'm gonna address the boys, 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.160 and I'm gonna talk about girls because I'm a straight guy. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:11.480 Did you know that about me? Hey? Real women are great, 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.720 and real relationships are great. They're kind of complicated and 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:22.000 sometimes painful. But the whole internet thing sick the kids. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:24.640 It's not normal. It's really not normal. I can't even 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:30.720 imagine coming to that first started before you had a 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:34.679 real adult relationship. I can't either. You started there, right, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.480 that was your introduction to what sex is, right, I 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.520 can't even imagine how that changes the way things look 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.760 to you. You grow up thinking every baseball game includes 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.400 a fist fight, and then you join your first baseball team, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.800 You're gonna have a perverse view of what baseball is. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:57.240 And yeah, it's it's troubling, and I got no solution 0:13:57.320 --> 0:13:59.280 for you. There's got to be a solution. We'll talk 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:01.320 to your kids. Just has to be talked to your 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.839 kids about porn. About better one than that, though, There 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:09.240 has to be even a better one about your libertary 0:14:09.320 --> 0:14:12.240 I hate you. I'll never listen to your show again. Saved. 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.160 So Mark Stein, he's a funny guy, was on Tucker 0:14:37.240 --> 0:14:39.400 Carlson last night and they were talking about how they're 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:43.000 in Chaz in Seattle. They're gonna have some sort of 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:44.800 games or sports in there, and you're mocking like the 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:49.840 Chas Olympics chads having their own Olympics and that sort 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:56.280 of thing, and they got off on this Mitt Romney, who, 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.760 as as you know, is I believe the first US 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.760 ambassador to the Chopp is Sony people. He really fought 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.360 hard for that job, and as you know, he ran 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:10.640 the Winter Olympics. He's actually got managed to import a 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:13.840 couple of the top Winter Olympic sports into the Chop 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.400 Summer Games. For example, we got the two man luge. Uh, 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:19.640 there's a bit of a difference. The guy on the 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.440 bottom is one of the CHOP residents, but the guy 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.320 on top is actually a statue of Christopher Columbus that 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:31.720 they've toppled and so find the preliminary rounds. I believe 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.760 it's the Richmond Chris Richmond, Virginia Christopher Columbus statue that 0:15:36.960 --> 0:15:40.240 is in the lead. The Boston Christopher Columbus statue is 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.280 close behind, but there's some technical dispute with the judges 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:46.520 because that guy had his head decapitated, and it's not 0:15:46.640 --> 0:15:50.480 clear whether a headless Christopher Columbus is actually eligible for 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:54.400 the two man luge. Telso made the joke about their 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:56.960 sporting of it. There was a controversy when one of 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:01.880 their uh, one of them tested and there was urine 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:09.320 in their drug stream. Oh that's good, that's good. And 0:16:09.440 --> 0:16:12.640 something tells me chopperstan will have fellas identifying as women 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:15.800 women and all the women's events because they won't dare 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.720 you know, crackdown on that. So there was an attempt apparently, 0:16:19.440 --> 0:16:23.400 I don't know how serious it was in Portland overnight 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.120 late last night and this morning to try to get 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.360 one of these going chopp a takeover, and they got 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.560 it shut down really fast, which is a good idea 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.320 because once it gets going and it grows, then you 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.560 end up with real political problems trying to figure out 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.000 how to navigate those waters. But they let it get 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.440 started in Seattle and it continues and this could be 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:49.120 one of those things that's there for months. Right Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:51.160 I'm trying how the businesses are going to deal with 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:56.320 that if it, I don't know if some businesses closed 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.280 and some businesses who are more friendly stay there, are 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.280 they are they getting enough patrons in the day? Are 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.200 enough regular people able to uncomfortable enough to walk through 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.600 chas to go to these various stores. You can't drive 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.240 down the streets anymore? No, No, I wonder, although there's 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.520 so little will in Seattle to do anything with bums 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.120 and junkies and ne'er duels. You know, what we left 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.879 out is that the autonomous zone they set up in 0:17:18.920 --> 0:17:23.359 Portland was right outside the mayor's apartment. That makes a difference, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.920 and so the coppers moved in quickly tore down. That 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.520 makes a difference. Yeah, because I was kind of surprised 0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.960 that Portlandia, who's their very Twitter account has a rainbow 0:17:34.040 --> 0:17:38.920 police badge. Honestly, um, I was surprised that they took 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.040 such decisive action. Now I get it. So if they 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.119 set up not in front of the mayor, they might 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:59.760 still be there, could be the Armstrong and Getty shows. 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.960 We're not going to shut things down to people don't 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:09.600 want it. The politicians don't want it, but the public 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.840 wouldn't support it. But that doesn't mean that we can't 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:14.439 take targeted measures in places where it is spreading. So 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:18.359 in Texas, for example, um of all the hospitalizations are 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.919 between the age of twenty and twenty nine. UM. In 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:23.200 some parts of Texas around Austin, more than half of 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:25.480 the infections are under the age of thirty. The governor 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.800 there has said, anythings, bars are congregant setting where a 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.320 lot of the spread is taking place among young people. 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.080 So you might take some targeted actions in the places 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:37.040 where there are outbreaks against those establishments where you might say, 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.760 well you have to go back to fifty percent occupancy 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:44.000 of twenty. Maybe you close some establishments on a temporary basis. 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:46.800 Those are targeted mitigation steps. We have to be willing 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.000 to consider those kinds of targeted steps if we want 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:54.639 to prevent these outbreaks from happening. Interesting. Interesting Dr Gottlieb saying, uh, 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:56.879 they're not gonna shut down divisions. People don't want it, 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.960 They wouldn't do it. That's interesting because we so will 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:02.440 legally did it at the beginning, and now he's just 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:05.560 saying people wouldn't do it. Well, we were sold a 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.160 rationale for extreme clothes down strategies that no longer seems 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.280 to old water. So yeah, we're willing to do something 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.919 which is probably not that again, So I find myself 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.640 exhausted by the news flow. Tell me about it. And 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:23.199 you know, we live it because it's what we do 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:26.160 for a living. But my my wife barely pays attention 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:27.440 to the news at all, and she said she was 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:30.000 exhausted by the news flow. And polls show everybody's exhausted 0:19:30.040 --> 0:19:32.240 by the news flow. And it's part of the whole 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.160 part of it is, Um, you know what the differences 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:37.840 between a good high school band and a bad high 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.160 school band? I remember this from being in high school bands. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:47.439 Uh is dynamics. Uh, you're bad high school band. Everything 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.840 is played at the same volume all the time. You don't, 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:53.000 you don't, get quiet, and then get loud, and then 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:54.679 get quiet, and then somewhere in the middle of just 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.359 everything is the same volume, beginning to end. And that's 0:19:57.359 --> 0:19:59.439 the way the news is now. Everything comes at you 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:01.920 at the same volume, as if everything is the most 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:06.960 important thing happening in your life. And rather than everything 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.120 being elevated too important, it is going the other direction, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:11.879 at least in my mind, and I think in the 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.520 nation's mind. Um, everything is being is going down to 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.879 just everything. You can't break through because everything is the 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.119 same volume all the time, right right, Well, you know 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:25.880 just about the cliche if everything is the biggest thing, 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.800 nothing is the biggest thing. Yeah, and don't I don't 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:30.240 know what fixes that. I don't know if I'll be 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.200 able to find it quickly enough, because this it makes 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.560 me insane too, especially because I actually care about a 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.840 lot of this stuff. Um, I think a lot of 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:40.399 talking heads are just putting it on. In fact, we 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:44.280 know some talk show hosts who, uh, you're a conservative 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:45.840 talk show host, and then they got hired to a 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:48.240 liberal place. Now that they're they're liberal talk show host 0:20:48.600 --> 0:20:52.359 their gutless, soul less mind one in particular, i'd like 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.040 to name both picturing the same, but that would put 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:56.399 me at his level, and I don't want to be 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:58.399 at his level because I wouldn't like the view from 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.800 down there. I'm trying to find in Matt Taiebee's fabulous 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:05.320 piece that we talked about, the American press is destroying himself, 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.159 he and his usual fashion, as he's rather an eloquent fellow. 0:21:09.520 --> 0:21:15.760 I was talking about, um, the very, the very phenomenon 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:21.280 we are that everything is always the most important thing. Ever, 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.400 and how that's you know, another one of the real 0:21:24.680 --> 0:21:27.359 sins of modern so called journalism. I agree with them. 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:29.360 It's been quite hilarious seeing people who I guess we've 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.880 only read that piece by Matt Taiebee coming at him 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:36.600 on Twitter for being some sort of right mouthpiece. Yeah, 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.600 go go go go back through the years. Um so 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.640 does a lot of this get fixed? Democracy, media, all 0:21:43.640 --> 0:21:46.720 that sort of stuff with time and a reaction to 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.879 the things. And it's just slower than we would like. 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:51.680 That's what I'm hoping that. It's just the reaction will 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.920 be there. It'll get fixed. It's just gonna take longer 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:56.439 than I would like. In that to a large extent, 0:21:56.480 --> 0:21:59.000 I think so people get tired of the same volume 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.879 of all the news, we start tuning out. Media outlets 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.080 are desperate to try to figure out how to get 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:08.560 people's attention, and they rediscover and it might take ten years, 0:22:09.000 --> 0:22:11.040 is that the way you can get and keeps people 0:22:11.119 --> 0:22:17.119 attention is by having some varying levels of intensity, as 0:22:17.119 --> 0:22:20.119 opposed to it always intense. It just takes a long 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:21.800 time to get there. I don't see it go in 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:24.840 that direction. It's going in the direction of more and 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:30.359 more targeted ideological bubble yelling. But we'll all go crazy 0:22:30.400 --> 0:22:33.280 if we're if we're all check out or check out, 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:37.320 if we're all being if our brains are being assaulted 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.960 with stuff that reinforce this is a scary time. It 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.960 got even scarier while you were asleep last night. Things 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:47.320 are even worse than they were yesterday. If if our 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.800 brains are assaulted with that every single day, we'll go nuts. 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.800 Will all be a bunch of anxiety cases we are 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.160 we are well, and or people will tune out, which 0:22:56.200 --> 0:22:59.600 will open the door for the most brutal and cunning 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.080 to take control of the country and twisted to their 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:07.640 their ends, which is probably giving people anxiety that sentence, 0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:10.480 and I apologize for that. But if we completely check 0:23:10.480 --> 0:23:12.680 out of the political process, or it gets dumbed down 0:23:12.720 --> 0:23:15.440 even more, I don't know where it heads. I don't 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:20.200