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Speaker 1: Do you want?

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Speaker 3: It's time? Band can't see ship because the screen is off.

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Speaker 3: But welcome. It's Morning Combat and neither of us have showered. Hi, everybody,

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Speaker 3: my name is Luke Thomas. That's Brian Camp.

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Speaker 1: But I have reason not to. Okay, I've been on

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Speaker 3: Way, is that reason to not shower?

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Speaker 1: I had one pair of clean draws and just this

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Speaker 1: the biggest homer of all things.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, did you? Did you get that shirt? Because

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Speaker 3: you ordered it on fan meo? No, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: I took this from a box in the production office,

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Speaker 1: but it served me. Well, Hey, we're back at it.

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Speaker 3: Let's do we are back at it. It is Morning

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Speaker 3: Combat here on a Monday, July eighth. I hope everyone

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Speaker 3: had a great Fourth of July. Although we did that

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Speaker 3: Friday show, we kind of went back to that, but

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Speaker 3: BC we had Diaz Masvidal over the weekend. You were there.

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Speaker 1: It was thrilling, it was awesome, It was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: You know what's kind of funny. I wasn't there, but

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Speaker 3: obviously we saw the sold out crowd, and you and

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Speaker 3: But the other one's too, but that one was a

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Speaker 3: because it's MMA fans, so true or false, they were

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Speaker 3: in attendance largely largely.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there was a boxing.

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Speaker 3: There was a lot of professional boxers there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of celebrities there. It turned

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Speaker 3: What a night, And now we'll get to that. We'll

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Speaker 3: get to UFC Denver is coming up next week. Plus

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Speaker 3: we have more weirdness in boxing with the Shaker Stevenson.

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Speaker 3: Most people are calling it a shipfest. I have to

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Speaker 3: tell you, I find some of the reaction a little surprising.

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Speaker 3: And then of course the Oshaki Foster insane robbery where

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Speaker 1: Speaking of shit, we've got we've got a healthy dose

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Speaker 2: That got a nice batch of shit for you?

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Speaker 3: Hey, No, what we say to them go, we'll go broke.

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Speaker 3: We tell them they don't listen, but we tell them

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Speaker 3: Wow, you soul? Yeah, very cool, you know, the real soul.

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Speaker 1: we were joking about that. He's like, I hope poor

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Speaker 3: how did you score Nate Diaz versus Jorge Masvidal in boxing?

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Speaker 3: Did you have it? So? I had a six '

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Speaker 1: Let me just clarify, there's five points of criteria in

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of other things. Clean and effective punching

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. PC the entire fight

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Speaker 3: Now you can still argue he was punching effectively through

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Speaker 3: I can understand putting the priority on Jorge's power punching

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Speaker 3: be like, Okay, it sounds nice when he lands, but

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Speaker 1: And here's I want to clarify one thing I did

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Speaker 3: Weird in that regard. So Jorge was throwing a lot

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Speaker 1: Sure, I mean his volume he had. He had more

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Speaker 1: It did, absolutely That's why I felt like even though

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Speaker 1: He came out and pushed such an aggressive pace off

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's in any way crazy, But I

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Speaker 3: Now after that he picks it up, but round twelve

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Speaker 1: And we still got some naisms and there we still

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Speaker 1: It added to it, right, the taunting, you know, the

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Speaker 1: best crossover fight we've seen since this bubble started. And

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Speaker 1: you can argue whether the bubble started with Jake Paul

437
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Speaker 1: and Logan getting into it or whether Mike Tyson versus

438
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Speaker 1: Roy Jones was the bubble kickoff. Either way, I actually

439
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Speaker 1: think this was the first fight in terms of entertainment,

440
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Speaker 1: because if you have one criticism, we could have more

441
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Speaker 1: but may your criticism of the Jake Paul experience, which

442
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Speaker 1: has been fun, but he's almost too technical for his

443
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Speaker 1: own good in this crossover bubble space. Because if you're

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Speaker 1: a fan who isn't a huge boxing fan, but you

445
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,040
Speaker 1: either love YouTube personalities or you're a pure MMA fan

446
00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 1: and now suddenly your favorite guys are boxing, it's almost

447
00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,399
Speaker 1: as if the Jake Paul experience has seen fights be

448
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Speaker 1: too technical. Remember that both Tyren Woodley fights, including the

449
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Speaker 1: second one until then album was a snooze fest. And

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Speaker 1: I remember saying multiple times when we would debate after

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Speaker 1: each of those Jake Paul Showtime fights of like is

452
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Speaker 1: the bubble gonna burst? And I remember saying each time,

453
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Speaker 1: Jake needs to find somebody that he can fight, not

454
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Speaker 1: box fight, dude, this was a fight. This, in my opinion,

455
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Speaker 1: Diez Masvidal two was exactly what you think you're getting

456
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Speaker 1: when you buy a crossover boxing match involving non boxers,

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Speaker 1: a competitive, back and forth, exciting fight at an incredible

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Speaker 1: at a hillacious pace. Yes, there's gonna be haters on

459
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Speaker 1: line going wow, look at the skills of these two,

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Speaker 1: Look at the heart of these two, Look at how

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Speaker 1: much they put in look at how they sold out.

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Speaker 1: It just so happened because of how this training camp

463
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Speaker 1: kept getting pushed back. Right to remind, you found out

464
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Speaker 1: from Osvidald's manager that he signed a deal for this

465
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Speaker 1: fight back in August of last year. They thought it

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Speaker 1: was going to be in April. I got pushed back.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was gonna be June.

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Speaker 3: First.

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Speaker 1: Into their credit, they pushed it back, and we'll get

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Speaker 1: into that wise move, but that created a very long

471
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Speaker 1: training camp that created a lot of resolve in both fighters.

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Speaker 1: I think Nate wouldn't admit it publicly, but I think

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Speaker 1: he really needed to put on the best he could

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Speaker 1: do at this age after what happened against Jake, and

475
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Speaker 1: Jorge obviously is looking for a complete rebirth and a

476
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Speaker 1: new lane of boxing. This is everything I want the

477
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Speaker 1: crossover boxing bubble to be. I don't think that's a

478
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Speaker 1: crazy take. I think it's perfect.

479
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Speaker 3: I will say this because the stakes were not nearly

480
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Speaker 3: as significant, the drama of Mayweather McGregor felt like a

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Speaker 3: lot more, right, especially because.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Scholard's record on the line coming out

483
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Speaker 1: of the.

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Speaker 3: Line, and then McGregor came out with you remember, I

485
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Speaker 3: think he won like the first three rounds or something

486
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Speaker 3: or my card yeah, something like that. Yeah, and then

487
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Speaker 3: he got walked down at the end. Yep. So that

488
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Speaker 3: one had high draw whereas this one just had like

489
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Speaker 3: a steady high pace with less ebbs and flows. But

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Speaker 3: you could never turn away because there was like a

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Speaker 3: lull in the action. Both guys delivered in the style contrast, honestly,

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Speaker 3: the style contrast with them, and Mma favored Jorge a

493
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Speaker 3: little too much. Jorges got too many weapons and commanded

494
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Speaker 3: too many ranges. You narrow that a little bit, and

495
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Speaker 3: then the style contrast becomes a lot more. It was

496
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Speaker 3: a lot more parody involved, and so that just brought

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Speaker 3: the action up a notch. Where again, are we saying

498
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Speaker 3: this is shair Chur Stevenson out there doing his best work.

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Speaker 3: We're not saying that. We're just saying was it easy

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Speaker 3: to watch? Yes? It was. It's a simple question. Was

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Speaker 3: the fight easy to watch? A simple, enjoyable experience? One

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Speaker 3: hundred percent it was, And that's by virtue of the

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Speaker 3: rules and these two guys's commitment kind of bringing it

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Speaker 3: all together. Now, you see that leads me to the

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Speaker 3: second question, or actually, no, I.

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Speaker 1: Think it's let's lead it to Jorge sending me to hell.

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Speaker 1: I want to play this video and then I want

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Speaker 1: to get your reaction. I shout out to all the

509
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Speaker 1: MK fans. It did kind of get my back. I

510
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Speaker 1: appreciate that didn't necessarily need it, but uh, this was

511
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Speaker 1: not ill intent. I think Jorge took it that way.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to the videotape.

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Speaker 1: Atchnate came out a really fast paced Was there any

514
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Speaker 1: thought of you that this might be too fast?

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Speaker 5: Uh?

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Speaker 6: You asking the wrong questions, bro, fuck type of questions as.

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Speaker 1: By the way, watching it back, it's not as harsh

518
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Speaker 1: in the moment, I felt like you just, you know,

519
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Speaker 1: need me right to the groin.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I'm basically saying because I asked Nate the same question.

522
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Speaker 1: I was impressed with the paste. In fact, I remember

523
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Speaker 1: at a round four thinking, you guys are not going

524
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Speaker 1: to be able to keep this up, like this is crazy.

525
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Speaker 1: Jorge kept digging deeper, kept digging deeper. I was basically saying,

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Speaker 1: was there any thought in your mind throughout that that

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Speaker 1: maybe you couldn't keep this up? What was did he

528
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Speaker 1: interpret that wrong?

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Speaker 3: Am I just an asshole? I think? Anytime? Because I've

530
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Speaker 3: done some of this entering interviewing stuff, not not like you,

531
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Speaker 3: but I've done it a little bit. Anytime you ask

532
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Speaker 3: a question, uh where the question? Unless someone gets clearly

533
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Speaker 3: viciously knocked out or you know, really schooled. This was

534
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Speaker 3: close and competitive. In those context, I tend to not

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Speaker 3: frame questions about what they couldn't do or what they

536
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Speaker 3: felt like they were really you know, in the sense

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Speaker 3: were you overwhelmed or did you feel like you could

538
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Speaker 3: be overwhelmed? Because I just know what the answer is

539
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Speaker 3: going to be.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna say, no, Well, I should have preempted it

541
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Speaker 1: with I was impressed by you know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: And he must have thought I was basically inferring that

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Speaker 1: he gassed out and that's why he lost, which I

544
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Speaker 1: was not thinking.

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Speaker 3: Again, I'm not saying I could do this job better

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Speaker 3: than you. I think you were in that role for

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Speaker 3: a reason. What I am saying is hindsight being twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Maybe a different way to ask it was how many

549
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Speaker 3: times did you have to dig deep? Yeah? Which is

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Speaker 3: essentially what you're asking anyway, Oh, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And I purposely tried to tee up each guy with

552
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Speaker 1: a question that would not continue stirring the pop, but

553
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Speaker 1: would bring praise to each other. I said, Nate, Yeah,

554
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Speaker 1: how impressed.

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Speaker 3: Were you with the heart?

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Speaker 1: You know, does do you have what respect do you

557
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Speaker 1: have for Hore after this performance? Because they did embrace afterwards,

558
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Speaker 1: and it was a great fight, a great performance from

559
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Speaker 1: both competitive as hell. Didn't love that I got dunk down,

560
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Speaker 1: but it happens.

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Speaker 3: I will say. I will say this, Yeah, Nate didn't

562
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Speaker 3: dunk on you, and I think you helped your chances because,

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Speaker 3: if memory served, your first question was about to fight itself,

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Speaker 3: and then the second question was Nate, what about this

565
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Speaker 3: California crowd? I was like, Oh, look at this fuck

566
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Speaker 3: playing that.

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Speaker 1: That's called cheap heat, by the way, pro wrestling, right.

568
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Speaker 1: What about the California love they gave you, Nate? How

569
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Speaker 1: did that fuel you? He gave me a little look

570
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Speaker 1: like I thought he was about to kill me, and

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Speaker 1: then it said.

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Speaker 3: He would He leaned into it, so it actually worked

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Speaker 3: out quite well. Yeah, that was the only blemish really

574
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Speaker 3: for you on the broadcast. But even then I didn't

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Speaker 3: think it was a bad question. It's just you just

576
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Speaker 3: have to know what he He just got a bitter loss,

577
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Speaker 3: you know, in a closely contested fight. It's just hard

578
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Speaker 3: to always get that right. All right, let's go.

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Speaker 1: To topic number two. Look, this fight had some changes

580
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Speaker 1: along the way. Originally scheduled for June first, going head

581
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Speaker 1: to head with the UFC pay per view, and according

582
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Speaker 1: to Jorge, that was Nate who said I want to

583
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Speaker 1: go head to head. I think Luckily for them and

584
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Speaker 1: everybody else, they pushed the date off. So, Luke, this

585
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Speaker 1: fight over delivered relative to expect I don't know how

586
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Speaker 1: you can argue against that eighteen thousand sold out arena.

587
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Speaker 1: It was the only show in talent MMA wise, even

588
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Speaker 1: though it was a boxing match, So, Luke, what lessons

589
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Speaker 1: should we learn about that? To be honest, And I

590
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: was the host of this press tour. Mid press tour,

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Speaker 1: there were times where it felt like this fight was

592
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Speaker 1: going nowhere. Why in the end did it work so well?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great question. So I think one thing

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Speaker 3: I certainly can say, I didn't hate this fight, but

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Speaker 3: I definitely had skepticism about it, and I was not

596
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Speaker 3: super thrilled about it, in part because Nate did not

597
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: look great against Jake Paul. We haven't seen Jorge win

598
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Speaker 3: in quite some time. He's been retired. What could you

599
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Speaker 3: really expect? And by the way, these guys are MMA fighters,

600
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Speaker 3: they're not boxers. What could it be? But then you

601
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Speaker 3: watch the result and you're like, huh, it actually was

602
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Speaker 3: a lot better than I thought it could be. First

603
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Speaker 3: thing I'm going to say to answer that question is

604
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Speaker 3: you definitely it's okay to be skeptical in the fight game,

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Speaker 3: especially of promoters, especially if people trying to make a buck,

606
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Speaker 3: especially people trying to get money out of you, when

607
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 3: you know that what they're offering is not really on

608
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Speaker 3: the level. At the same time, I am continuously reminded

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Speaker 3: whether we pick against somebody, whether we like poop pooh

610
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Speaker 3: a fight, whether we thought, you know, remember Jake Paul

611
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: said to us in Tampa, He's gonna get a fight

612
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Speaker 3: with Canelo. I still think that's unlikely. But given the

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Speaker 3: direction Canelo's headed is it is that as impossible as

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Speaker 3: I'm serious, as impossible as I mean, that seemed absurd

615
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, it's not. It's still absurd,

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Speaker 3: but not nearly as absurd, I guess. I'm The point

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to make here is, as a general response,

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Speaker 3: the one thing I want to say is, and I'm

619
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Speaker 3: saying this to myself in the mirror, a little bit

620
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Speaker 3: of humility about how certain you are things are gonna happen,

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Speaker 3: a little bit of humility about how bad you think

622
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Speaker 3: something is, and also a little bit of reservation about

623
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Speaker 3: how you think something's gonna be great too. The fight

624
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Speaker 3: game is so full of surprises, and so many times

625
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 3: things you are certain are gonna happen often don't. This

626
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: fight was a reminder to me. After I watched, I

627
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 3: was like, dude, that was actually way better than I

628
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: thought it was gonna be. I felt like, you know what,

629
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Speaker 3: maybe I was I was. I wasn't a crazy hater

630
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 3: of this fight, but I was definitely not high on it.

631
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: I was blown away. I think the lesson ISBCEE, a

632
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: little humility goes a long way.

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Speaker 1: I think also when it comes to cross over boxing

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Speaker 1: and going back to the point I made earlier, like

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Speaker 1: you need the right matchups where you're going to create

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Speaker 1: a competitive action fight, and I just don't think we've

637
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Speaker 1: always seen that, and you don't always know sometimes when

638
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: you're bringing people with different levels of experience of boxing

639
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: together what you're going to get and I think maybe

640
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: sometimes the Jake fights have been too technical because he's

641
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: been trying too hard to be great at this. But

642
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: this was perfect. But why I think this ultimately worked

643
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 1: out so well for fan Meo and for everybody involved,

644
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: is well moving the date.

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Speaker 3: First and foremost.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was so ill advised to try to

647
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Speaker 1: go aheadhead with the UFC, and now we're putting it

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Speaker 1: on a on a on a holiday weekend with no

649
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Speaker 1: other MMA on. But I think people under us and

650
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: made what Nate is still able to do to draw.

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Speaker 1: Now that doesn't take away what Orge added as a

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Speaker 1: draw himself and obviously Luke for as much as we

653
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Speaker 1: pupooed the idea of this long press tour, which is

654
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: an old school way to promote fights, and you're like, well,

655
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: why are you doing it with two guys that you

656
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 1: know aren't huge talkers or huge trash talkers of each

657
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: other Remember the build to their BMF fight twenty nineteen.

658
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, this is going to be great,

659
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: thinking it's like Connor versus Nate levels of theatrics, and

660
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: it was just a lot of mutual respect. Ultimately, though

661
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: the choice to do this never ending press tour. It

662
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: created the contempt between them, It created the moments of

663
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: Nate twice telling me to f off and walking off early,

664
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: and you know, Nate smoking the blonde, and then obviously

665
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: the fight between the two camps. That all mattered in

666
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: the end, and I think putting it in Southern California

667
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: mattered because, whether we want to argue the percentage of

668
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: boxing or MMA fans in that building, Luke, Southern California

669
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: shows the f up to events like this, one more

670
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: thing in this modern day of too many pay per

671
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: views and too much price gouging, and I know a

672
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: lot of people stream this illegally too. Look, they did

673
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: forty nine to ninety nine with gimmick of a free

674
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: t shirt if you pay the shipping if you order

675
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: it from fanbio, twenty five dollars tickets for the upper deck,

676
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars seats for the lower bowl. Like this

677
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: is relatively affordable compared to everything going on with UFC pricing.

678
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: And it's not just MMA. By the way, Boxing in

679
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: Vegas is outrageously priced on top it always has been,

680
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: because it's casinos that are ultimately, you know, getting so

681
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: many of these tickets it just felt like that perfect storm.

682
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: But look, some people are referencing that old Dana quote

683
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: of you know natas in a draw, and I dude,

684
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Nata is a fucking draw. Did you hear that pop

685
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: when he walked in? And obviously he had that awesome

686
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson tribute with the be real.

687
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 3: So sick, dude.

688
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: The energy in that building in what we always called

689
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: the what's the most exciting ten minutes in all of sports?

690
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: There's always been the argument that the final ten minutes

691
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: before the opening bell of a pay per viewman event,

692
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: right like theatrics of the walkout, everything going on to

693
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 1: touch the gloves and that energy. This fight doesn't compare

694
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: to the biggest energies I've ever seen from like Maymac Maypack,

695
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Canelo versus Floyd, which we were at together, had just

696
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: that vibe that was like, oh my god, this is

697
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: like a drug. It wasn't that far off, dude. It

698
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: really wasn't that far off. When Nate entered that building.

699
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: It was it was a It was absolutely legit. I mean,

700
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: I never thought they were going to sell out in

701
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: eighteen dousand see it arena for this fight. But smart

702
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: matchmaking on the undercard, which is one other thing we

703
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: have to talk about. Right grudge match between Ryan Garcia's

704
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: brother Sean and a model Vargas society.

705
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: We should say something to Rich Chow, the former Belator

706
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: matchmaker had a hand in this entire real fight.

707
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nate's promotion.

708
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is one of the best people in this

709
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 3: entire Dude, Dude, you're talking about a guy who understands

710
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: the DS family, understands MMA, understands MMA fans who ultimately

711
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 3: this was really geared towards, really had did a phenomenal

712
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: job in helping to usher this event to its final place.

713
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: But the thing I wanted to say to you see is,

714
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: in addition to the whole humility thing, it's not just

715
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 3: that there is life left in this crossover bubble. It

716
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: is that I was really taken a back by how

717
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: much this fight was able to add to their rivalry,

718
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: how much it actually added something meaningful to their record. Again,

719
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 3: we have to you know, we're s saying like, oh,

720
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: it means the most. We're not saying it means the most.

721
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: But usually you look at this and you think it's

722
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 3: utterly dismissible. A thing that just is a citation on Wikipedia. No,

723
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: this was actually a fairly legitimate masters combat sports event.

724
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: For folks who don't follow jiu jitsu, there's like a

725
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: master's division when you get above the age of thirty

726
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: five and beyond there's the washed division. Well it's washed,

727
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 3: but like not so much. Right, you're not able to

728
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 3: compete with the very best anymore, but we can match

729
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: you against somebody commensurate, and there's something there, And I

730
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: feel like people have kind of played it wrong. They've

731
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 3: played it like we got to go full on fight circus,

732
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: we gotta go full on silly, we gotta go full

733
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 3: on washed. And the Jake Paul and Mike Tyson thing

734
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: is a different thing because of his age, but this one,

735
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 3: in retrospect, it wasn't too late for either of them.

736
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: They're bouth thirty nine, they're old, but they're not too old.

737
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: They both absolutely brought what they had.

738
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: Sold out, they sold freaking.

739
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: Sold out, and to your point, moving it off that date,

740
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 3: putting a decent undercard, although I will say the Komaine

741
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 3: didn't need to be there.

742
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Okay, the card for six main card pay per view.

743
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: Bounds is too long, but putting Crimelmoton on there there

744
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: was a couple of ones on there, the Antipedus, Chris

745
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: Avulo one. What I'm trying to make is there was

746
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: just a series of great decisions that built this, and

747
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know what, we keep talking about

748
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 3: these guys doing these crossover fights as if it's like

749
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: sending them out to pasture. And I don't want to

750
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 3: call it a second life BC, but the rehabilitative possibilities,

751
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 3: the possibility at extending and then contributing to a rivalry.

752
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 3: I really thought. I was like, Wow, you actually, if

753
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 3: you play this the right way, there actually is something

754
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 3: to this a little bit. And we're not saying it's

755
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 3: the same. We're saying it's not worth discarding as nothing.

756
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: I gotta give them credit though, for that amount of

757
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: Vargus Shan Garcia matchup. It not only had the crowd

758
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: super pumped for that was so super punch that I

759
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: think brought in the boxing fans. I really do, because

760
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: the boxing fans have been following the three young sons

761
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: of Fernando Vargus who are all on the road.

762
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 3: Vargus almost sent you to hell backstage. Well you're like

763
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: two times he was like three times.

764
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: He's referencing an ibo belt, which really doesn't count in

765
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: the four belt era, right, So, but I, you know,

766
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: give him the respect. I love l f Roshol always have.

767
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: But I felt like, Luke, where are we on.

768
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: That talking about the fight the Garcia and.

769
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: Yes, so adding that fight I think brought in the

770
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,959
Speaker 1: boxing fans and it was a grudge match because they

771
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: had a rivalry amateur wise, and then bringing in Ryan

772
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: Garcia for better or for worse, and I'm gonna say

773
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: for worse. I don't want to go down the long

774
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: Ryan Garcia rabbit hole because we did it on Friday,

775
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: and we could do it every episode because it just

776
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: it never stops. But Luke, I'm shocked he came not

777
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 1: to support his brother's brother told us in the fighter

778
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: meeting Sean that like when Dryan's there, I fight so

779
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: much better their dad, and Sean said, I hope he calms.

780
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: I hope he, you know, can quit alcohol. He apparently

781
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: skipped rehab Luke for this, And what the cameras didn't

782
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: pick up that I saw from ringside is the second

783
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: when the fight was stopped. I didn't like the stoppage

784
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: by the way, I stop, but Shawn Garcia had taken

785
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: a beating that I felt it was inevitable. And I

786
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: love the performance, by the way, in the showmanship from

787
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: a model Vargus which I think he's fun to watch him,

788
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: and this was a big moment for him. There was

789
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: a members in the crowd in the front row that

790
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: were really taunting Ryan and he was aggressively yelling back

791
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: at them. After the fight was stopped, and then he

792
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: made two runs to try to essentially jump the barricade

793
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 1: and fight them, and that's when Long Island Luke, can

794
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: you toss to the video? That's when we saw this Luke.

795
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: They grabbed him quick and they got him the hell

796
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: out of there to the backstage area.

797
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: It was weird.

798
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 1: But this, by the way, the star client tell that

799
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,240
Speaker 1: they attracted to this fight across entertainment, MMA and boxing

800
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: was incredible.

801
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 3: I just was.

802
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: Worried about Ryan being there. I'm glad nothing.

803
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: He's a mess. He should like this, even for his

804
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 3: own safety, if honestly the audience is safety.

805
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent. We had these We actually had

806
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: these talks in the production beings beforehand, like what do

807
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: we do right editorially wise?

808
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: Like what do you do in this distance because he's

809
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: so volatile at the moment.

810
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,879
Speaker 1: I'm glad nothing bad happened and that was weird, but

811
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: but again, altogether this worked.

812
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 3: Now, where does each guy go next?

813
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: Where should each guy go next?

814
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: Do you want to do point number three?

815
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: Not yet, I want to ask you just straight up,

816
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: where do you think each guy goes next?

817
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 3: From here?

818
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: So, without giving away topic three, we're gonna look at

819
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: what favorite matchups we want to make in the space.

820
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: Let's talk about what happened and what we've kind of

821
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,760
Speaker 3: alluded to to me. Di As being the winner in particular,

822
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 3: this is true for him Again, I think it's true

823
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: across the board, but it's definitely more true for Nate

824
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: given that he won. This was incredibly restorative for him.

825
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: Again the Jake Paul five, Remember he got knocked down

826
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: in that fight. He just looked. He look dowie too,

827
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 3: in a little dowie and I don't know, just a

828
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 3: little more dismissive of the whole thing than normal. Even

829
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 3: in this fight he was kind of like doing the

830
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: whole you know.

831
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Question, I'm trying to ask you to cut right through

832
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: that is saying he mentioned more at UFC names it

833
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: seemed afterwards in the words, I said, I want I'm

834
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: gonna kill Jake Paul, and he said, I want to

835
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: fight the biggest name boxer, but he went right back

836
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: into Leon Edwards. Do you think Team Diaz was looking

837
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 1: at this opportunity as a way to restore his brand,

838
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,959
Speaker 1: to go directly back into a UFC super fight, whether

839
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 1: that's Connor, whether that's Leon Edwards three match, whatever, you know,

840
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 1: I tend to think that they don't want to go

841
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: back in.

842
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: But and I don't know the DS team well enough

843
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: to say exactly what they're thinking. I've had a little

844
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 3: bit of conversation with him over the years, but I

845
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: do think he's just trying to cast a wider net

846
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: as possible, and like what really emerges from that he'll

847
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: take the biggest fish or what enables him to take

848
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 3: the most amount of fish from the net. I mean,

849
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: I'm realizing I'm going far with the metaphor here, But

850
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: he's just trying. I mean, the reason why he's like

851
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: Jake Paul, Leon Edwards, Conor McGregor, they're trying to set

852
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 3: themselves up for whatever. Throw shit at the wall, see

853
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 3: what sticks, and then kind of go forward from there

854
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 3: and honestly, given the performance that he had, that's the

855
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: right strategy. Yeah, that's the right hyper focusing on Jake Paul.

856
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: If again, I don't think Jake Paul's gonna lose to

857
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 3: Mike Tyson. But let's say that he does Mike Perry.

858
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: Mike Perry could beat him. I mean, there's a lot

859
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 3: of different ways. You just don't know what's going to happen.

860
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: He's staying in good graces with Day, so that to

861
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 3: me was what this is really all about. Was I'm

862
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 3: just gonna just really just castle wide in it as possible,

863
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 3: and then what happens in the end happens in the end.

864
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: Do you think Nate fights forever, because this is what

865
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: he's starting to say now, he's starting to say that

866
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to take on the toughest matchup available forever.

867
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: No. I think he knows that there's probably a handful

868
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: of big paydays left, yeah, and that he wants to

869
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 3: just go through all of them and then call it

870
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: a day. I don't really think he wants to do

871
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: this much quickly.

872
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Don't give me opponents, But do you think Jorgey goes

873
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: back to boxing? Do you think he should because this

874
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: was an impressive performance on him.

875
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 3: I tell you what, could you run back Jorgey Masviital

876
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: versus Darren Till in boxing on a card? Yeah you could.

877
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 3: I think you could. You could. I think you could.

878
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: If Jake Paul needs an opponent last minute or even

879
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 3: you know whatever, for whatever reason, could you do Jake

880
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 3: Paul versus Jorgey Massbital. I think you could. So this

881
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: is my point. He think there's no part about that

882
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: where you're like, oh, looked like shit. No he didn't.

883
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 3: He didn't look like bad. He didn't look bad.

884
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: He added a lot of wrinkles to his game. You

885
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 1: gotta give him so much cred.

886
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: I really was kind of impressed. So in the end,

887
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: both guys raise their stock. It's just that the hyper

888
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 3: focus now on makes more sense because he still has

889
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 3: unresolved rivalry. That's what Jorgey lacks. It's not just that

890
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 3: he didn't have the win. He doesn't have a history

891
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 3: with Connor. He's got the three piece in the soda,

892
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 3: but that he's not going back to the UFC for that,

893
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,919
Speaker 3: I don't think anytime soon.

894
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: And if he does so, he's not gonna meet kill

895
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: shot in the bare knuckle space.

896
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: Who is kill Shot.

897
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: He's the dude that Hora fed up with the dreads

898
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: at the press conference.

899
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 3: Oh, the white guy with the yellow dress.

900
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: So after so at the end of my interview with Jorge,

901
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: he actually kind of left the interview to try to

902
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: attack kill Shot. They almost fought in the locker room afterwards.

903
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: But by the way, I had a quick o shit

904
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: moment in the ring when Jorge left the interview and

905
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: made a running stark Capatio tried to cut him up

906
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: it suddenly, because if you've never been in a boxing ring,

907
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: so it's intimidating, right, because the ropes are actually hard

908
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: to get over because of the way they're like, unless

909
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 1: someone's holding it for you, it's kind of awkward to get

910
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,439
Speaker 1: it unce you're andre the giant exactly. And then it's

911
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: so bouncy the ring. It's so much more bouncy than

912
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: anyone realizes that. You never feel like you have your

913
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: balance when you're in there as a civilian, right and

914
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: suddenly that ring shaking and I'm like, oh my god,

915
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get trampled. I would have gott made fun

916
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: of a fight if I exited through those ropes. If

917
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: I just if I exit stage low out.

918
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

919
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: I was willing to do it though those I'm happy

920
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 1: it didn't happen in the end.

921
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, there we go that. I think I

922
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 3: honestly feel like it's not true to say the world

923
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: is their oyster, but it is true to say the

924
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: loss for Jorge does not in any way preclude future matchups,

925
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: and the win for Nate, I think really brings into

926
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: focus some key lucrative matchups that could take place either

927
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: later this year or first and second quarter twenty twenty five.

928
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: All right, BC, With that in mind, With that in mind,

929
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: let's do a little bit of an exercise. I want

930
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: you to give me your top five possible boxing crossover matchups. Now,

931
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 3: what I mean by that is set the parameters. Okay,

932
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: So what I mean by that is you could bring

933
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: in former MMA fighter, You could bring in a Jake

934
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: Paul type or retired boxer, retired boxer type, anybody who

935
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 3: is kind of playing in that space. And we're talking

936
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 3: about fights that if maybe they can't be made now,

937
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 3: it could be made next year. Nothing like oh twenty thirty,

938
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,479
Speaker 3: we can make something. We're not looking that far ahead.

939
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: We're kind of looking what could be made right now

940
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: or in the relatively near future. All right, give me

941
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: five fights, go five to one. I want to get

942
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 3: your reaction after each one. Here we go, Here we go,

943
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: Brian Campbell's Top five.

944
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,479
Speaker 1: All right, number five. I don't necessarily love this fight,

945
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: but I can't look away.

946
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: From what the spectacle it could bring.

947
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Logan Paul versus Jake Paul, which I

948
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: do think is something that they will inevitably do. And

949
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: I think, Luke, it is going to command so much

950
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: car crash attention. And yes, it has ways, it could

951
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: go so wrong, and I don't even know what it

952
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: would look like. But there's that weird part of me

953
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: that's like, Okay, I'm in. I'll put my money down,

954
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: I'll watch that. I know you hate that fight, but

955
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: brother versus brother. First of our fans are partly gonna

956
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: kill us for this second. Yes, yeah, number one and

957
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: then number two. I hate that fight, Okay, okay, but

958
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: does it kill numbers wise? Does it commercially just attrabut?

959
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 3: You lost your four to oh one k in scams

960
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: oh speaking.

961
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: Brought to you by Make America Great Again Again?

962
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 3: Dude, that's the biggest ship coin on planet Earth. But okay,

963
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: neither here nor there. I don't have even the slightest

964
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 3: fucking it. I just don't care about that.

965
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: I can't avoid it, and I had to put it

966
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: on there. That's number five. A number four. I want

967
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: an action fight and Horace Jorge rebuilds his brand. You're

968
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: damn right you ready for this? Orgey Mosvidal versus Mike Perry.

969
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: I think absolutely bangs in a boxing ring.

970
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it. I can take that one.

971
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: Who do you think wins? Give me the odds on

972
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: that one?

973
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: I think Jorge and look, you and I were both

974
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: really come around to the idea that we love Mike

975
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: Perry and this Jake fight.

976
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: Is that two hundred pounds? Isn't that? It is a

977
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: cruiserway come?

978
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 6: Yeah?

979
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the Jorge fight could be

980
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 1: more competitive and just be straight action.

981
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: I think so. We haven't seen Mike Perry in the

982
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 3: boxing rine boxing.

983
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: He did one profight way back.

984
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 3: Way back in the you know, anytime soon recently? All right?

985
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: Number three Connor McGregor versus Josie Aldo Art two.

986
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: What holy shit? Wow?

987
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: Because I am of that belief that I've been Wait,

988
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: so all those been boxing? At what he fought Jeremy Stevens,

989
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: you fought a couple people. He's been boxing probably around

990
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: the one fifty area, right, well.

991
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 3: I mean he's been MMA fighting then one thirty five.

992
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: That's a good point on there. I think you you

993
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: gotta find a Catchwight that Connor can still make. I

994
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: just feel like I've always wanted to see although get

995
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: that chance at that rematch, and I felt I still

996
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: felt bad that he never got that chance because how

997
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: quickly that fight ended. In all of that, I felt

998
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: like it should have come around again Connor hasn't been

999
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: active or whatever.

1000
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 3: I would be intrigued by that. I actually would.

1001
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: Jose's a good boxer. I know there's that size difference

1002
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: now they're not one forty five ers anymore.

1003
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 3: But I still think that's kind of interesting. That's a

1004
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 3: left field one I did not see coming. I don't

1005
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: know if you could do it because of the weight

1006
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 3: at this point. And also, you're you're really taking away

1007
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: what makes you're you're accentuating what Connor's good at, and

1008
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 3: you're taking away a lot of That is a fair counter.

1009
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 3: That is a very fair. However, However, as a item

1010
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 3: that people would pay money to see.

1011
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: Not a bad choice, okay, number two, And I'm wondering

1012
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: if this is possible given what we talked about heading

1013
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: into mas Vidal DS to what could be available for

1014
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Joorge Floyd Mayweather versus Nate Diaz. I am talking myself

1015
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: into here. I can't believe I am. But what do

1016
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: you think about that fight at this point?

1017
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 3: Man? Size difference, yes, major size difference. Okay, I can't

1018
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: tell if Floyd is is he washed to the point

1019
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: where he can only beat the YouTubers or can he

1020
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 3: beat someone who is still.

1021
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: Because don't forget after the Logan Paul fight, and that

1022
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: was a massive size difference. Yes, you remember, Floyd was

1023
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: humble in that postfight interview, was like I'm done with this,

1024
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: like this is my last time I'm going to fight Donks.

1025
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 1: But then he thought has fought Donks. He's got John

1026
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: Gotti the third coming up in August in Mexico for

1027
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: whatever that's But if you're Floyd, he seems to still

1028
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: want the attention. There's always gonna be the rumors that

1029
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: for every all the dollars he's made, does he still

1030
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 1: need money?

1031
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that is interesting.

1032
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: If Nate Bigger is gonna spam him, obviously Floyd's gonna

1033
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: be able to counter and keep that distance. But I

1034
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: wonder what that looks like.

1035
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: Lloyd would make him wait, drain. We know that from

1036
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 3: boxing generally it would be big, would.

1037
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: Be big, that's the thing, and that would be Diaz

1038
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: as the ultimate babyface in that matchup.

1039
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, MMA fans are still dying for Floyd to

1040
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 3: get his come up, and no for Diaz to deliver

1041
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,240
Speaker 3: that in that particular way would especially in boxing.

1042
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: Do you think fan Meo is considering that because there

1043
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: was talk from Masville in his marriage, I don't think

1044
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: no one picked up on this.

1045
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: I don't think Floyd was there by accident. You could say, oh,

1046
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: he was there enough for crimel Moaltan. Yes he was,

1047
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 3: of course, that's true. But he was at the analyst

1048
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 3: desk for a little while, and he was a big celebrity.

1049
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 3: But there are other big celebrities there too. I think

1050
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 3: that they've got their eyes on him.

1051
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: I forget Famio was the promoter for Floyd versus Logan.

1052
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 3: There you go, there you go better? All right, keep

1053
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 3: all right?

1054
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Final one And I really toyed with this because I'm like,

1055
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: can I get Poeton into a fight?

1056
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 3: Can I do what Anthony Joshua looks like he's hunting

1057
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 3: for one?

1058
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: I went back to the gran here. I went back

1059
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 1: to what I like. People hate this.

1060
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 3: Probably Asa Kira versus who.

1061
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Oh Rocco his crossover matchup. Peter North could be the referee.

1062
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Luke Connor McGregor versus GSP. I still want that in

1063
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: a boxing match. What dude, it's that's still a great idea.

1064
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: GSP's got the jab, he's in great shape, he's a

1065
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: Freddie Roach Trains, He's a legitimate mm A boxer. Dude,

1066
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: Come on, Connor plays the lavillain role in that build,

1067
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: and it's and it's, you know, the returning.

1068
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 3: Hero of jus.

1069
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know GSP can say what he wants. I know,

1070
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: obviously he's living the lifestyle. He's going to be in

1071
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: shape the rest of his life. But he's in insane

1072
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: shape all the time. Right, Just like, just in case, dude,

1073
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: I think that's a killer fight.

1074
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 3: It would do Gangbusters. It would be fucking huge. Whe

1075
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 3: would you put a fight like that? Vegas, New York City?

1076
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: No one, They're not going to access in New York City.

1077
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: That's why the big fights don't go to New York

1078
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: City like really big fights. Like big fights go, they're

1079
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: not really big fights.

1080
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 3: You get the Canadians to travel for GSP. What are

1081
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 3: we doing the SkyDome, Luke? The Rogers Center in Toronto?

1082
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, they're not doing that. I don't care where

1083
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,399
Speaker 1: you put it.

1084
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 3: I want that. I want that fight. That's not a

1085
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: bad one. All right. No, see though, what of those

1086
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 3: did you like the most?

1087
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: You gotta give me the list again.

1088
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: Oh you, let's go to your list, Luke.

1089
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: Here we go for my list, all right, and these

1090
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: are in particular order. Okay, Number five Mike Perry versus

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00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: Darren Till not the biggest names relative to a Floyd,

1092
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: relative to a DM.

1093
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: We'll get into Darren Till's boxing match later.

1094
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, show, Yeah, but but I kind of feel like

1095
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: the promotion for that would be reckless to the point

1096
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: of stupid but fun, and the fight itself would actually

1097
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: be angry, you know what I mean?

1098
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 1: It would be I don't I don't see, I don't.

1099
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 3: Love Darren Till. I need to do I but but I'm.

1100
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: Not kicking this out of bed. Yeah, I'm into that.

1101
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: All right? Very good? Uh for my number four choice.

1102
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: By the way, Stephen Thompson beat Darren til and no

1103
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: one wants to talk about that anymore.

1104
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 3: Let's move on. I know it was a very terrible

1105
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,879
Speaker 3: fight though. That's a problem. That's number that's number five,

1106
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 3: my number four choice BC. How about Nate Diz versus

1107
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 3: Jorge mass butt all three or two? In boxing, there

1108
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 3: is controversies. It is controversy about what happened. I don't

1109
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 3: know if there's like a gigantic demand for it, but

1110
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: I actually feel like.

1111
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: Like movies, sequels, rematches typically have a diminishing effect in

1112
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: terms of gate right, unless the first fight surprised everybody

1113
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: and suddenly there's like this scrudge match in the rematch.

1114
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: How big could could this fight? It wouldn't be as

1115
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: big as this one just was. No, But would the

1116
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: returning audience if packaged properly and promoted properly.

1117
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

1118
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1119
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: I think? I think you have to have a strong comaine.

1120
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 3: You do, yeah, your strong comaine if you had Jack

1121
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: Paul wouldn't be comaine. But you could put this in

1122
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 3: the comain on a Jake Paul card. I don't gain

1123
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: they wouldn't do it, but something like that would make

1124
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: it count. But I do think that there is still

1125
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: interest in it for sure. All right, Number three, how

1126
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 3: about Jake Paul versus Diaz two? I mean, there's okay,

1127
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 3: you don't think the fans want to see again I'm

1128
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: talking about like personal interest whatever, But you don't think

1129
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 3: the fans want to see Nate get that one back?

1130
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: I do see. Here's the thing you just don't see.

1131
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: It's good. You don't think it's competitive Ate.

1132
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Nate showed us, in my opinion, in this fight that

1133
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: if he takes it seriously and gets in super shape,

1134
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: there's still there's still something there. I do think that

1135
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: fight could be different. But what about the and Jake

1136
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 1: was tweeting about it all weekend? What about the the

1137
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: money for the potential PFL fight that that.

1138
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 3: Nate has turned out Jake as a fuck?

1139
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: Is Nate just not entertaining that because he wants to

1140
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: stay at UFC, got to get those big pay days?

1141
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean, I don't know what the fifteen million

1142
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: dollar offer looks like and what the parameters of it are.

1143
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: I think if there really was fifteen million on the line,

1144
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: and it was just for beating Jake Paul. He would

1145
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 3: have done it already. Probably, that's not real or a

1146
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 3: big quarter of me.

1147
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: If Jake didn't have two fights lined up right now,

1148
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 1: that that might actually be the fight that they would

1149
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: do next.

1150
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 3: Probably.

1151
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would sell, It would sell.

1152
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: More than the first year. Again, I think you have

1153
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 3: to match make that one correctly down the card. All right,

1154
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 3: So that's three number four Connor McGregor versus Jake Paul

1155
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: and boxing. I know again, is this what I want

1156
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 3: to see out of Connor McGregor. I'm not necessarily just yet,

1157
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: but we're building. We're building, like what the biggest ones are?

1158
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: This is a big one McGregor.

1159
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: I don't love that fight at all. No, say, I said,

1160
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: that's his long island. Luke said, that's his number one.

1161
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: That's your number one.

1162
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: I think that'll do the biggest numbers. It's not my

1163
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 2: personal numbers.

1164
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, That's where I'm at, Like, I mean, all

1165
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: of these fights are kind of silly, right.

1166
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: Or what the space is, but it's also entertaining.

1167
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're asking like which ones would do really well?

1168
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 3: I dude, I just think that this one would fucking kill.

1169
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 3: It would kill, especially if Jake Paul goes in. I mean,

1170
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: we have to wrap our heads around something. We would

1171
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 3: probably cry. But if Jake Paul absolutely fucking sleeps Mike Tyson,

1172
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 3: which I cannot believe those words are coming out of

1173
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:05,879
Speaker 3: my mouth, I.

1174
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: Don't think it would be asleep. I think it would

1175
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: be like a sad stoppage, like just beaten on them.

1176
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 3: Let's say he just does what he did to Tywern

1177
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 3: Woodley against and now Connor's two fights done, he's out,

1178
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 3: he doesn't resign. That's not a big fight. Oh it's

1179
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 3: me fucking massive versus anyone as massive. So but but

1180
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 3: Jake Paul off of that.

1181
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 1: I just feel like j Paul's too big, all right,

1182
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: I'd be in. I'd be in. I just don't love

1183
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: that one compared to the other one.

1184
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 3: Now, the next one, and my last one is you

1185
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: could sub in Floyd for a bunch of different ones

1186
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: of these, but I'm gonna leave him out. The last

1187
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: one I'm gonna say is this is near number one.

1188
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 3: By the way, it's my number one. I don't know

1189
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 3: if the UFC is going to make this one. So

1190
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: in the event that they don't. You could easily do

1191
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 3: in boxing Dias McGregor three or McGregor das you could.

1192
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: But would the audience be so upset that it's not MMA?

1193
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 3: Okay? But if they can't make it in the UFC

1194
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, right, yeah, I mean that fight should

1195
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 3: only be in MMA okay, But for whatever reason, these

1196
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 3: guys don't get to the UFC at the same time,

1197
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 3: you can't make it now they're both free agents. Yeah,

1198
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. You really want to say,

1199
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 3: as an MMA fan, I'd rather see nothing than what

1200
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 3: you you just saw. Jorge and Nate honestly give you

1201
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 3: a pretty decent effort, very commendable effort. You would turn

1202
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 3: that down over nothing? When the choice is nothing.

1203
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: The build would be incredible. I mean, I don't care

1204
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: if they're arm wrestling or power slapping, the build would

1205
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: be incredible. By the way, Moronelle asking Sean Emalley on

1206
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: the air if he's interested in power slapping, and Sean's like,

1207
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: funk that, basically.

1208
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: Like I was like, yeah, yeah, Malley, yeah, Ork times

1209
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 3: killing power slap over the weekend too.

1210
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: Also, O'Malley when asked by Moro is he gonna fight

1211
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 1: Morob next and come back, he said, hoping for the

1212
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: sphere book, but like, can't guarantee it, hoping, pushing.

1213
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: I don't understand what's so hard about booking that card.

1214
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what's so hard about booking Sean versus

1215
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Morab Like book it already, like this, that's the fight

1216
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: to make. It's one of the It's one of the

1217
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: top five best fights I can make right now.

1218
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, so make it? Yes it is, make it.

1219
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: Let's go all right, those are our top five. You

1220
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: can kill us on on Reddit for us.

1221
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: There we say, well, our hardcore MMA fans hate today's episode.

1222
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: They hate it. But I mean, what do you want

1223
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: to talk about? Like, we'll get to uc Denver here

1224
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: in a minute. But there's just a minute. Yeah, we'll

1225
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: talk about Tracy. You got to hit me up here.

1226
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, topic number four, we go to the

1227
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: boxing ring.

1228
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 3: Let's do it.

1229
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:19,080
Speaker 1: There was a card in Newark at Top Rank card

1230
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 1: over the weekend. Schaquur Stevenson in his final fight under

1231
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: the Top Rank brand, headlining in his hometown at the

1232
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 1: Rock the Crudential Center. He made Artem Horrtunian look like

1233
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: a sparring partner. But Luke fans were not only booing

1234
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 1: Shakur in his own hometown, they were walking out before

1235
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: that main event was even over. So now that Kurt

1236
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: is a free agent, what has become of his stock?

1237
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: Because if you have not been following boxing Twitter overnight,

1238
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,320
Speaker 1: everyone is coming after Shakur Clarissa Shields, Yes, and I

1239
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: mean I mean everybody is going Ryan Garcie, everybody is

1240
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: going after him. Are they right? Or were there circumstances

1241
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: involved that.

1242
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: Need to be reframed?

1243
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: Is Shakur the most boring fighter ever? And he's going nowhere?

1244
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: And he just shot himself in the foot after being

1245
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: boot out twice in a row. What's the real deal here?

1246
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: For one of the best boxers in the world.

1247
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: I'll say this that card overall the real star of

1248
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: that card. By the way, just as a side note,

1249
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 3: people ask me the other day on my life chat

1250
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: who like the top prospects I was really excited about

1251
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: and I forgot to mention this guy, but I want

1252
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 3: to mention right now, just as a quick note, Abdullah Mason.

1253
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: Oh get ready for have you seen this shit?

1254
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 3: Really shit? Dude? Abdulah Mason is a fucking phenom. He

1255
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 3: was on that card. He was the star of that show.

1256
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 3: As far as I'm concerned, Abdulla Mason is a beast.

1257
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 3: Now that aside, let me tell you the truth about

1258
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 3: this fight with Shairkrur Stevenson. If I may, I didn't

1259
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 3: hate it, I didn't hate it. Now, Am I telling

1260
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: you that you're not allowed to hate it? It's not

1261
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, right Am I telling you that it

1262
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 3: was crazy exciting? That's not what I'm saying. Am I

1263
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 3: suggesting that if you don't like it, you don't know

1264
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 3: shit about boxing? That's really not at all what I

1265
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: am telling you. However, in contrast to his last fight,

1266
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 3: where he did have an injury, but he was doing

1267
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 3: a fair amount of moving and running to it, like

1268
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 3: quite literally a bit of running against Del Santo's he

1269
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: stood recruited right in front of Hartunian for twelve rounds,

1270
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 3: right in front of him. Hartunian could barely do shit

1271
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 3: to him. I had that fight eleven rounds to one

1272
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: for Sue Kurr Stevenson. Did I find it the most thrilling?

1273
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 3: I did not. Did I think it was, you know,

1274
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 3: the fight that I really had to see no, but

1275
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 3: I saw some of the responses and I'm like, I

1276
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: just didn't feel that way personally. Now that is a

1277
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: separate thing there is. It's too sad because the crowd

1278
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: in attendance fucking hated it.

1279
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: We got a video of it. By the way, we

1280
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: can talk over it, but you can.

1281
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: Throw roll that video off. You let the audience. You

1282
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: little the volume on that. Here, there we go. The

1283
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,879
Speaker 3: crowd fucking hated it. This is the eleven I think

1284
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 3: between the eleventh and twelve, rovends.

1285
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: Is it damaging that he got boot out in his

1286
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: own home run.

1287
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,320
Speaker 3: He got yoot out in his home arena, and people

1288
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: are leaving because they simply got sick of it? So

1289
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 3: I understand he's looking at you're asking about his stock.

1290
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 3: His stock fucking collapsed with this fight because he had

1291
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 3: two fights in a row now where he has talked

1292
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: a bunch of shit about what's going to happen and

1293
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 3: then nothing. None of that was.

1294
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: Injured last time. I'm not saying that's necessarily excuse.

1295
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,759
Speaker 3: Okay, but you had a great opportunity against the guy

1296
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 3: who was clearly overmatched. And again he did stand in

1297
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 3: front of Harton. He he did not run at all

1298
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 3: in this fight. Here's what I don't get, BC. This

1299
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: is where I come down on this whole thing. He

1300
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,359
Speaker 3: says he is comfortable fighting this way. If you don't

1301
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 3: like it, fuck you. Okay, he's a grown man. That

1302
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 3: is his choice. But there's a context here. Top rank

1303
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 3: did want to resign him. This was his last fight.

1304
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 3: He chose not to.

1305
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: I give you that timeline real quick, whatl on a

1306
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: one second?

1307
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 3: I'letna give the numbers, seip. He was offered fifteen million

1308
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 3: for five fights, so about minimum guaranteed. So he's guaranteed

1309
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:55,359
Speaker 3: three million a fight. He didn't decline that offer. BC.

1310
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 3: Here's what I don't get. That's a good offer. And

1311
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: by the way, again, if you had had like a

1312
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 3: real pay per view, it would have been considerably higher PERFI.

1313
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: And so, by the way, if he had signed that,

1314
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:04,959
Speaker 1: would he be fighting Loman next?

1315
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: Probably? Probably? What I don't understand is how you can

1316
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 3: turn down that offer then decide to fight in a

1317
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: way that is objectively not crowd pleasing. Yeah, and think

1318
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: that Eddie Hearn or Oscar de la Joya or PBC.

1319
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,319
Speaker 3: I don't know they're gonna give you more than that.

1320
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: I honestly, I'm well, listen, I don't know what's gonna

1321
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: happen on the open market, but I would be somewhat

1322
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 3: skeptical that he can get a similar or more lucrative

1323
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: kind of deal now settling into this groove where it's like,

1324
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: this is how I box I'm better than all these guys.

1325
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 3: Like it or not, Dude, the free market is not

1326
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 3: going to reward that. I don't think in the way

1327
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: that he imagines true.

1328
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: And I think there are two conversations within this number

1329
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: one and let's have it, okay to what you just said,

1330
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: You're right, was this the worst thing he could have

1331
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: done for his brand entering free agency. I'm gonna say, right,

1332
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 1: didn't go necessarily go for the knockout against an underwhelming opponent.

1333
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: But I don't think you can say that without framing

1334
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: what really happened. According to Mike Coppinger ESPN, who reported

1335
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: on this heading into the fight, he was offered that

1336
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: deal by Top Rank earlier in the year. When he

1337
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: turned it down, he was pushing Top Rank to come

1338
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: back quick, come back in like March why to end

1339
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: his contract and hit the free hit the open market.

1340
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: Top Rank According to Schaicurg kept pushing him back the date.

1341
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: They finally pushed it to this one. Luke, I want

1342
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: to say something. I think it's criminal that Artem Harrtunian.

1343
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: Maybe not criminal, but ridiculous that this was the opponent. Now, granted,

1344
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 1: Shakuerr signed it right, but I think in Shakuer's feeling

1345
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: it was I just want to get out of my

1346
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: deal and go no matter what. Why was Harrtunian whose

1347
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: last fight was against Frank Martin in which a similar

1348
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: fight broke out in which people were killing Frank Martin

1349
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: stock after Why because Harrtunian was not looking to make

1350
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: that fight. Now, hert train was more aggressive to some

1351
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: degree in this fight than that Frank Martin fight, but

1352
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: Harrtunian was not trying to make that fight. Frank tried

1353
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: his best to try to track him down, and remember

1354
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: after that fight, he's like, oh, Frank Martin's not good.

1355
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: Why the f does Harrtunian become the next opponent after

1356
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: losing that fight and getting a title shot against Shakur.

1357
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: I think Chikor was basically like, I don't care who

1358
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: you give me, just give me this final fight so

1359
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 1: I can move on. Now. Did Chakour shoot himself in

1360
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: the foot with what he did. Yes, but there are

1361
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: two things in boxing. It's your commercial value and your

1362
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: critical value. The best can put it together as one,

1363
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: right Canelo Floyd. They were number one pund for pound

1364
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: and the biggest pay.

1365
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 3: Per view stars.

1366
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Shaquur's never going to be on his own as an

1367
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 1: a side, a commercial blockbuster guy. But he is one

1368
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: of the best boxers on the planet right now pomp

1369
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: for pound and this performance does not change that. So

1370
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: when I say there's two arguments in this, the one

1371
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: argument is did he is this a bad look? Yeah,

1372
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: getting booed in your own hometown, having two back to

1373
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: back kind of bad luck fights. Yes, But the aggressive

1374
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: killing of Shakur, like see, I told you he has

1375
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: no power, he's boring, He'll get killed against tank Watch.

1376
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: I think people need to chill on that. Okay, he

1377
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: brought the fight to Harrtunian. Did he ultimately risk everything

1378
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: and Gopher broken go for the knockout?

1379
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 3: No?

1380
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,080
Speaker 1: Why? Because to him it wasn't worth it. He's not

1381
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,959
Speaker 1: the first fighter that's defensive first, that is not going

1382
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 1: to thrill you offensively unless the opponent is making him.

1383
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: Let me bring up one thing. Chacurzo three division champion,

1384
00:59:19,560 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: Olympic silver medalist in the three biggest fights of his

1385
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: career to date, Jamel Herring, Robson Conseiso and Oscar Valdez

1386
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 1: wiped him out, wipe them out by walking forward, standing

1387
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,000
Speaker 1: in front of them and still not getting hit and

1388
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: overwhelmed him. Look at the punch stats from this fight.

1389
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: Chakur against Ardam on Saturday landed forty four percent of

1390
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: his power shots outlanded him one seventy to seventy four,

1391
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: pushed the pace on him, limited Harry Tuni into single

1392
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: digit connects in every round but one.

1393
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 3: Cha.

1394
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Kurt is still whether you love him or hate him

1395
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: or commercially you think he's dead. One of the best

1396
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: fighters in the sport. And you know how you told

1397
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: me last week, b s stop caring what the public

1398
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: things stand on your business? Can I stand on my

1399
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: business here?

1400
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 3: Standing on that business?

1401
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: Bro? I still think Shakuer beats Take Wow.

1402
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 3: We did a hip hop Warren, you fuck. I keep

1403
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 3: telling you, no, Cita, I keep telling.

1404
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: You it's not in my power, but.

1405
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 1: I notched out and Take is one of the best

1406
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: fighters in the world too. But there are very little

1407
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: fighters in the post Manny Floyd era who can even

1408
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: remotely draw comparisons to Floyd stylistically, skills wise, Chaqourt is

1409
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: that guy. He's a South Paul Floyd in some way.

1410
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: And I get the criticism people saying, Look, if you're

1411
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: trying to be Floyd, if you're trying to accept these

1412
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: Floyd comparisons, Floyd didn't act like this. Floyd was pretty

1413
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 1: boy Floyd. First, he was walking people down Diego Ralis.

1414
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: He dropped five times. Yes, so he's not Floyd, right,

1415
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,640
Speaker 1: He's not Floyd in that regard. Floyd became money May

1416
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: and fought defensively because he took on tard fights earlier

1417
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: in his career and walked through people. What Shakur is

1418
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: basically telling people is why am I gonna risk it

1419
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: against an opponent like this where I can out box

1420
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: him easily. Bring on the best that are gonna make

1421
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: me fight at our best. There's proof three times the

1422
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: three best opponents. He felt like an animal. He tried

1423
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 1: to fight like an animal to a certain degree on Saturday. Look,

1424
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,800
Speaker 1: he is a defensive fighter. Animals is a strong word.

1425
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: He is a defensive fighter first, and he will always

1426
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: be but Luke, nobody hits this guy clean, even when

1427
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: he's standing in front of him, and I get what

1428
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: you what people can counter and say, Look, Oscar val

1429
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: does is good, but there's levels to this. What about

1430
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:19,439
Speaker 1: when he gets in there and against Tank, Hey, Andy

1431
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: Tayo all that, Yes, I want to see all that.

1432
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: But Luke, I think he did take a short term

1433
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: risk to kill his brand just to get out of

1434
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: this deal because.

1435
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 3: He believes on the open market.

1436
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:30,520
Speaker 1: And don't forget the Turkey Ala Chic Saudi Arabia connection.

1437
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of money out there. Look, there is

1438
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: a couple pass he can go. What if he goes

1439
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: to PBC, he could fight Frank Martin.

1440
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 3: Are they going to give him three million a fight guaranteed?

1441
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. But if he goes there and fights

1442
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: Frank Martin, Pitbull Cruz eventually Tank dude, he's going to

1443
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: make so much money that it won't matter. He is

1444
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: going to become as big commercially as he possibly can,

1445
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: not by talking trash, not by these Twitter wars, by

1446
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: what he does in the ring. I still think he's

1447
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: going to get signed, maybe not for outrageous money, but

1448
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 1: I still think that every single promoter from Golden Boy,

1449
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: Eddie Hearn is going to talk to him PBC, and

1450
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: they should because he's one of the best boxers on

1451
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: the planet. He has skills that are sublime, and I

1452
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: think people are missing that by just watching people walk

1453
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 1: out in BOO. And I think you do have to

1454
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 1: frame the top rank part of this, and I'm not

1455
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: shitting on top rank. They're doing what they have to do.

1456
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: If he resigned, they would give him Loman next. And

1457
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: that's why you know he wore that T shirt. By

1458
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: the way, they called out Bob Aaron, We'll see that

1459
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:22,959
Speaker 1: and have you seen this shit? But I think people

1460
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 1: are going way overboard right now. This guy is still

1461
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,920
Speaker 1: the goods, but he's never going to be that knockout guy. No,

1462
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a huge power, okay, but he's going

1463
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: to move up and wait and he's not going to

1464
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,120
Speaker 1: get touched Luke.

1465
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, but let's talk about the fights that rule

1466
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: are difficult or mattered. Right. So he goes sixteen to

1467
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 3: zero against Jeremiah Nakatila, wipes him out, wins the WBO

1468
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 3: interim title. Then Jamel Herring stops him inside the tenth

1469
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 3: oscar Valdez, a ridiculous opponent in Vegas, crushes him through twelve.

1470
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: Did he lose a round or two in that fight?

1471
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 3: Barely show me a situation where he got hit by anybody.

1472
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 3: Hobson can say. So fucking wipes him out, maybe lost

1473
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 3: around Yoshino stops him in the six by the way

1474
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 3: at the Prudential Center, so.

1475
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: He's after Yoshina said he had no power too.

1476
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 3: And just crushes him. Delo Santos was the bad one,

1477
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: and now he was injured, injured, and now now this

1478
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 3: one against Harratunian. I'm simply pointing out you're right. When

1479
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 3: the chips are down, he performs extremely well. He's undefeated

1480
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 3: twenty two to zero. I just I just don't understand

1481
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 3: exactly what the plan is to get those fights, other

1482
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 3: than to just keep beating who he's been beating, Like,

1483
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 3: what about this is going to get Frank Frank Martin

1484
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 3: was tweeting emojis about sleeping on Saturday. Frank Martin, why

1485
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 3: the fuck would you fight him at this point? Why

1486
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 3: would you fight him because you think you can beat him?

1487
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 3: You don't think you can beat him? And also, what's

1488
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 3: the commercial response going to be fucking Zilch. I just

1489
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 3: think if you're pitpul Cruise, why would you fight him? Now?

1490
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 3: Pitple Cruise is different because billle Cruse will fight anybody.

1491
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: You keep talking about these fights that are going to happen.

1492
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,120
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily mind seeing them. Nor am I even

1493
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: disagreeing with your central thesis. I'm simply saying this guy

1494
01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,720
Speaker 3: is not giving the general public fuck the insiders like

1495
01:03:57,720 --> 01:03:59,680
Speaker 3: you know and people who do this for a living. Fine,

1496
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: watch anything he does. I have to watch anything he does.

1497
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 3: If you don't have to watch anything he does, what

1498
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 3: the fuck is the pitch? What is the pitch?

1499
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: He's he is Arguably he hasn't done enough yet because

1500
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 1: he hasn't gotten enough big names to prove it. But

1501
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: I think he's arguably the best boxer in the sport.

1502
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: I can't even say that that's wrong, but that is

1503
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 3: so distant from how he is viewed by the general pebble.

1504
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: And I'm not forgiving what he did.

1505
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: Probably A doesn't believe that, and even if they did,

1506
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 3: they don't.

1507
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: Care, right, right, there's a That's why it's a different

1508
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: argument between commercial and critical. But I just think he's

1509
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: made and I think he's made the decision, and think

1510
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: about who he's You know, andre Ward has been his

1511
01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: mentor and I think started as his manager. They're both

1512
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: under James Prince. Andre Ward at times too was about surviving, advance,

1513
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: get the win, right, and I think that's who shakur.

1514
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 3: Is andre Ward did the Super six Tourney. I mean,

1515
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 3: I get that.

1516
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: I'm just basically saying that. I think shakurr is Is

1517
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: is content with his with his commercial value right now,

1518
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: even content with the damage that last that Saturday Night

1519
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: took because he has bigger plans for bigger fights. And

1520
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying, like, why would these guys

1521
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: fight him? Well, if the promoter hot signs him, it's

1522
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: to make these type of fights.

1523
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 3: It's look, Luke, that's why the promoter might want to

1524
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 3: do it. But why does Frank Martin want to do it?

1525
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 3: I mean, in the end, dude, Frank Martin turned down

1526
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 3: Shaquer Stevenson for Dravante Davis and you could say getting

1527
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 3: viciously KOed by Dravante didn't serve his interest long term.

1528
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,560
Speaker 3: But honestly, I don't know that he made the wrong

1529
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: decision to fight Tank. I actually feel like it's probably

1530
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 3: the right one.

1531
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: And I think subtly here and I asked, I interviewed Chikur.

1532
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: I wrote a story for CBS Sports ahead of this fight,

1533
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: and I asked him specifically. I said, look like boxing

1534
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 1: turned on you because of your performance against Dale Santos, right,

1535
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, look, is there any I asked

1536
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 1: him straight up, like do they have a right to that?

1537
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: And he disagreed, But I basically said, is there a

1538
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: part of you that realizes that maybe you are lowering

1539
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: what people think about you so that you can get

1540
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: bigger fights in the long run. And he didn't really

1541
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: commit to that, but I wonder if that's true.

1542
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:55,439
Speaker 3: Short term.

1543
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: This is a bad look for his brand, just like

1544
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: the Del Santos fight was. But notice one thing Tank

1545
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: never used to talk about Shaquur before this year. Now,

1546
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 1: after the Dally Centralis fight, they're talking left and right

1547
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: about wanting to fight him because they think he's easy.

1548
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: They're going to knock him out and take may do that.

1549
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: I'm just giving you my opinion that would be one

1550
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: of the best fights you can make in the sport.

1551
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: And I couldn't wait to see what happens.

1552
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 1: But I still might back Shakur in that fight, and

1553
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:18,560
Speaker 1: I think Shaquur might realize that that, Okay, take a

1554
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: short term lumps here in the public eye, but now

1555
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: maneuver yourself in a place that you want to be.

1556
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: Because one thing Shaqur told Mike Coppinger was he wants

1557
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: to do and I know this is every boxer's dream.

1558
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: He wants to eventually start his own promotional company and

1559
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:31,920
Speaker 1: sign piecemeal right two fights here, one fight here, two

1560
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,000
Speaker 1: fights there. Obviously it's easier to do that when you

1561
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: have a.

1562
01:06:34,240 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 3: Big draw ability. It's way easier to do that.

1563
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: But I think he's standing on his own business right

1564
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: now and he's making and it's no different to some

1565
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: degree than what Floyd and Oscar did by leaving Barbariam

1566
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: of Top Ring. They basically got to a point where

1567
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 1: they saw a ceiling financially what they could make, so

1568
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: they did what they had to do to get out

1569
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,000
Speaker 1: of that and create their own lane. Remember when Bob

1570
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 1: Barham said, Hey, Floyd, you have to fight my Antonio

1571
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: Margarito next. I'm gonna pay you eight million. Lloyd said, no,

1572
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 1: I think I can make a lot more. I want

1573
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: to fight De la Hoya. What did they do he

1574
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: left while De la Hoya, you know, said a new record.

1575
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 1: I mean the difference is Chakurt doesn't have that same

1576
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: commercial potential. So I'm not trying to make that exact point.

1577
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying short term. Right now, chaquerr is standing

1578
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: on his business and finding his own path out of there.

1579
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, does he have

1580
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: the goods critically yes or no to be in these

1581
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: big fights and potentially win them.

1582
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 3: I still think yes, and that's where he's going to

1583
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 3: make So I just feel like in the last year

1584
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 3: we went into that, we went into you know, mid

1585
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, where we're like, Okay, we've got Lopez.

1586
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: You know, we've got Hani, We've got Garcia, We've got shaquer,

1587
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 3: We've got Haini, We've got Tank, And I just feel

1588
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 3: like Lopez is certainly doing his thing above awight class.

1589
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 3: Now he's not really back at one thirty five, and obviously,

1590
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: you know, it's a different kind of conversation. But for

1591
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 3: the guys who are like one thirty one thirty five,

1592
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:45,880
Speaker 3: seems to me like Tank is clearly ascended past them.

1593
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 3: Garcia's got whatever the fuck he's going on. Unus he's

1594
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 3: at one forty anyway, That's one Stevenson obviously critically is

1595
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 3: insanely good. But I don't think his promoters are gonna

1596
01:07:55,360 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 3: beaten down the door to give him a ton of

1597
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 3: money right now. That's that's one thing to keep in mind.

1598
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: Devin Haney's just out for a little while, forget that.

1599
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 3: And again, I don't know if he can even make

1600
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 3: this anymore. And I can go on down the list.

1601
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,800
Speaker 3: Tank is the guy has to go to jail, comes

1602
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 3: out Tanks. It takes the Frank Martin fight viciously ko's him.

1603
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 3: He is guaranteed entertainment. This was the fight that, by

1604
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: the way, Chager Stevenson was gonna take. So Chakirk can't

1605
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 3: talk sit about who he's fighting at this point. I

1606
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 3: feel like these other guys are kind of floundering a

1607
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 3: little bit, or at least in different places, whereas Tank

1608
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 3: has truly ascended to a new spot at one hundred

1609
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 3: and thirty five pounds that he just didn't clearly have before,

1610
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 3: he clearly has it now.

1611
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:36,960
Speaker 1: I just think that j Prince, Tank's advisor is way

1612
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: too smart for this to be the fail that it

1613
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: looks like. I wonder if they looked at if I

1614
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 1: resign with top rank, I might get the Loma fight,

1615
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: But will people give me the credit for that? Will

1616
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: I make the money that I want to make for that?

1617
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 1: Maybe in their heads they're thinking, let me look like

1618
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm easy prey, Let me go to the PBC. Let

1619
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: me get that big Tank fight, because if they believe

1620
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:58,160
Speaker 1: they can win it, name a bigger opponent that you

1621
01:08:58,160 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: could beat that can make you a bigger star and

1622
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: make you life changing money than Tank.

1623
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:02,799
Speaker 3: There isn't one right now, right right.

1624
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:04,600
Speaker 1: For him, So I want I wonder if that's the

1625
01:09:04,720 --> 01:09:07,719
Speaker 1: road they're gonna take. Do you think right now? Tank

1626
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: and Loma appear to be in negotiations, but there is

1627
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 1: a growing rumor on boxing Twitter that like, if Tank

1628
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: ghost signs, if Shakuera signs elsewhere, could that change this?

1629
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: If Shakuru goes right now to the PBC, do you

1630
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 1: think they could they could sub him in and maybe

1631
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 1: Loma's the odd man out.

1632
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 3: I want, I wonder if that's possible they could. I

1633
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 3: don't think they will. I think Tank still takes the

1634
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,240
Speaker 3: Loma fight. Well.

1635
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: There is the argument of did Shakur do too much

1636
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: damage to his commercial that that that somebody wouldn't bring him,

1637
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: and I get that, but.

1638
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 3: The Pitbull Cruise one is actually a more interesting fight

1639
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 3: for me. I agree with that. I agree with this

1640
01:09:37,360 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 3: Cruise is just going to march that fucker down no

1641
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: matter what.

1642
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: Hey, we're gonna find out.

1643
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,400
Speaker 3: I'm supporting Chakar. I believe in his talent. I really

1644
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:45,639
Speaker 3: don't like I said, Dude, I didn't hate this fight.

1645
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 3: I did not hate this fight. I know that people

1646
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 3: in the audience did, and that's fine. I don't begrudge

1647
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,479
Speaker 3: anybody who felt the way that they did. I didn't

1648
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: hate it, but I felt like as an advertisement for

1649
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 3: what's next, disaster disaster for him. All right, b see

1650
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 3: before we move on to the UFC portion of our show,

1651
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 3: here very quickly, I have one more question the Oshaki

1652
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,640
Speaker 3: Foster Hobbs and consese a fight. Dan Dan Rafael had

1653
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: it ten rounds to two. I had it nine rounds

1654
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 3: to three, and I was being fucking Krigel eleven to one. Yeah,

1655
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 3: I was being generous with nine to three. I don't

1656
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 3: know what to say except what the fuck? And I

1657
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 3: want to point out something about this fight, which is

1658
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 3: a guy like Oshaki Foster is never going to be

1659
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 3: a big star. The way like, the way in which

1660
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 3: for him to advance and get the whole thing is

1661
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:32,719
Speaker 3: prize fighting. He has to have a belt in order

1662
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: to do that. Basically, I don't know what's gonna happen next,

1663
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,040
Speaker 3: but said, let me just pitch it to you. How

1664
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 3: did you score this fight? What do you think?

1665
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: I think you can go as far as twelve nothing

1666
01:10:43,479 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: in this fight and Conseseo's really good. He got up

1667
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,719
Speaker 1: twice off the canvas against Narette to push.

1668
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: For a draw. Right, the Golden Medalist a very good fighter.

1669
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 3: He was not in this fight at all. Gilo eleven

1670
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,120
Speaker 3: percent of his punches.

1671
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 1: Which is that that shows you? You know, was Oshaki

1672
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: overly offensive?

1673
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 3: No, but that's his game.

1674
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,639
Speaker 1: He's slippery, he's defending, and he's smart.

1675
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: Phi Hold absolutely.

1676
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 1: I think it comes down to this because we're getting

1677
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,320
Speaker 1: a lot of reactions, I think rightfully so Dan Rayfiel's

1678
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: like this, this might be the worst I've ever seen.

1679
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 3: Stephen A.

1680
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: Smith coming out and saying like, you know, this is

1681
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: this is a reason, this is another reason for people

1682
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: to turn away from boxing, and it is. But did

1683
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: you hear what Joe Tess said? On the broadcast, like

1684
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: literally five seconds before they announced the decision.

1685
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 3: Do you remember that, Luke?

1686
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: He brought up the championship round experience of the three judges,

1687
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: And I think this is important here, Oh yeah, because

1688
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: we always say, you know, after these happened, how do

1689
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: we fix this? How are we gonna change the way

1690
01:11:32,200 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: the commissions work? We need a national commission all this stuff.

1691
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 3: Look, I wrote this down, okay.

1692
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 1: Ron McNair was the only judge of the three who

1693
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: scored it for Foster only. He scored it eight rounds

1694
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: to four for Foster, which which seems like a bad scorecard. Louke,

1695
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 1: he was the most veteran judge of the trio. Do

1696
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 1: you know any championship title bots?

1697
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: He's He's officiated twenty something, twenty six only only Paul

1698
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,080
Speaker 3: Wallace only had ten championship fights and the other one

1699
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 3: had two.

1700
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: He scored it one fifteen, one thirteen for Conceso. Tony

1701
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: Lundy had two championship fights. And I get the whole

1702
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: thing of like, how can you gain experience? You know,

1703
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:07,960
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing of like I apply for a job,

1704
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: they say you don't have the experience. How do I

1705
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: get the experience without it. But this is a title fight,

1706
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 1: it's a important fight. Tony Lundy was the one who

1707
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 1: scored it eight to four for Rubs and consese So

1708
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:19,840
Speaker 1: in only his third title fight. Is that enough of

1709
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: an excuse? Is that enough of a reason for why

1710
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: this happened, Luke, because commercially, it's not.

1711
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 3: Like, oh, they robbed this fighter.

1712
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: Like, look, if this had happened to Shakur in this

1713
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 1: situation in his final about you'd go, oh, there's probably

1714
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: some corruption under there to screw him over. There's no

1715
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: one here trying to screw over O Shaki Foster. But

1716
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: why are we putting not one or two three judges

1717
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:42,800
Speaker 1: with very very limited experience, put two in there with

1718
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 1: experience and a.

1719
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 3: Newbie with them, especially with the guy with tricky defense, which.

1720
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: Is exactly this fight was not hard to score at frickin' all.

1721
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 1: In fact, shout out to Mark Kriegle afterwards were pushing

1722
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 1: Conseseo and being like, gratulations, great story with your daughter,

1723
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: But nobody here thought you won. Nobody here remotely thought.

1724
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not an argument for two or three

1725
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,640
Speaker 1: rounds like you had three rounds And it's almost like

1726
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: I was being generous, very generous. I'm not gonna go

1727
01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: down the road that this is why boxing sucks and

1728
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 1: it's broken.

1729
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 3: It is a bad look, it's a horrible look.

1730
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: But can these state commissions get their fucking shit together?

1731
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:13,920
Speaker 3: New Jersey is typically one of the better ones. Remember

1732
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,839
Speaker 3: that Paul Williams decision that was really bad.

1733
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: Airs, Yeah, and they rEFInd it, guys.

1734
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So like there has been a precedent.

1735
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 3: I want to read some numbers to you, if I

1736
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: mayb see. Listen to these numbers from Consei Syle. Total

1737
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 3: punches landed per round ready, round one two, round two five,

1738
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,200
Speaker 3: round three four, round four ten. Okay, that one he

1739
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,679
Speaker 3: landed a little bit more than Foster. Round five seven,

1740
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 3: round six four, round seven seven, round eight five, round

1741
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,760
Speaker 3: nine seven, round ten seven, and then he had ten

1742
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: and around eleven back to eight in round twelve. This

1743
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:47,400
Speaker 3: is to me the crucial one, though. I was trying

1744
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,400
Speaker 3: to like really understand how the fuck could this have happened.

1745
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 3: I do have one theory that I want to posit.

1746
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,400
Speaker 1: It's not just a inepthus you have a deeper theory.

1747
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: I do, Actually, I do total punches attempted by Foster

1748
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:03,799
Speaker 3: four thirty five. Total punches attempted by Conseseau seven hundred

1749
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 3: and one. I am reminded of an MMA fight between

1750
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 3: Diego Sanchez and Martin Campman, and in that fight, what

1751
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 3: you end up noticing is Diego flurries a lot and

1752
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 3: is aggressive a lot, and Campmon's on the defense a lot,

1753
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: but almost all of them miss Like he didn't land

1754
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,759
Speaker 3: for shit. In that fight, you're actually watching what landed.

1755
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 3: Martin Campmon should have won that fight, no problem, but

1756
01:14:25,800 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 3: actually Diego got the nod in the end for a

1757
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 3: fight I do not think he deserved to win at all,

1758
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 3: and it was because he just efforted more. He was

1759
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 3: aggressive more, and he was hitting fucking nothing but air.

1760
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 3: But there was something to it. If you actually go

1761
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 3: and watch this fight, there's a lot of times where

1762
01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 3: where Conceseao is trying to flurry to the body and

1763
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:49,480
Speaker 3: none of it is really landing, but he's just efforting constantly,

1764
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 3: and Foster is back, you know, doing the shoulder rolling

1765
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 3: and whatever else he's doing. And I kind of wonder

1766
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:00,240
Speaker 3: steady round after round after round where I had the

1767
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,480
Speaker 3: guy is landing a ton, but one is just efforting

1768
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: a bunch so I honestly feel like that is what

1769
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 3: they look look of all the of all the stats,

1770
01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 3: I can show you what's the only thing you could

1771
01:15:10,240 --> 01:15:12,320
Speaker 3: even look at that would help you understand it. It's

1772
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 3: the seven hundred and one attempts.

1773
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: You know what I think might support that is the

1774
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: most experienced judge who did score for Foster, like I said,

1775
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: scored at eight rounds to four, which doesn't even make sense.

1776
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 1: So maybe collectively there was this feeling, like can say,

1777
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: so I was pushing the pace. I don't know, man,

1778
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: it was a masterclass. It was easy to score. But

1779
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,439
Speaker 1: if you know Shacky Foster's backstory, it's one of those

1780
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: like incredible ones said that he overcolmed. He was never

1781
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:34,920
Speaker 1: a promoter's dream. Let's listen to the emotion of him

1782
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: trying to deal with this afterwards. What are you feeling

1783
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: right now?

1784
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought it was a shutout. I

1785
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 3: don't know.

1786
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I had it eleven to one. I mean,

1787
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: if that's any consolation.

1788
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. Man, I thought I was a shutout.

1789
01:15:54,439 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 6: I don't know, man, I thought I thought it was easy. Man,

1790
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 6: I thought it was an easy fight. I didn't get touched,

1791
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 6: but with it. But like, I don't know.

1792
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 3: Man, Yeah, there's a cut over his eye that was

1793
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 3: from my head clock. They robbed this kid blind.

1794
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:08,679
Speaker 1: And I hate when it's to hint to a kid

1795
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: like this, right, who has done nothing but overcome and.

1796
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 3: Needs boxing's architecture. He's never going to be the most

1797
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 3: celebrated fighter. He needs the belt system in order to

1798
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 3: make prize fighting work for him. I hate that.

1799
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think this is corruption. I think it's ineptness.

1800
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 3: They got it, they gotta. I really, I honestly wonder. Again,

1801
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:28,560
Speaker 3: it's just a theory out of are a hypothesis. I

1802
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 3: don't really have any information, but I have seen guy's

1803
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:36,280
Speaker 3: effort their way with bad performances into wins over quality fighters. Yes,

1804
01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 3: I kind of feel like that may have been the

1805
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:40,519
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Speaker 3: let's get to our UFC topic here on the day. Again,

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Speaker 3: not a lot of UFC to react to over the weekend,

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01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,680
Speaker 3: UFC Denver is going to be this weekend and in

1834
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:24,960
Speaker 3: that main event will be Rose namba Unis in her

1835
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:27,840
Speaker 3: fifth main event, by the way, taking on a late

1836
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:31,280
Speaker 3: replacement in Tracy Cortes. You can focus on that fight

1837
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 3: or anything else on the card. My question to you

1838
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 3: as follows, what is the most important or the storyline

1839
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: you're paying attention to most about UFC Denver.

1840
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's about Rose still. For me, it's

1841
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: what is she at one hundred and twenty five pounds?

1842
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: There were things to like in her loss to Mino Farroh.

1843
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean she dropped her twice, and Rose is saying, look,

1844
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,760
Speaker 1: at this point in my career, it's hard to make

1845
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 1: that cut. This is the weight class I want to

1846
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 1: be in. But Luca, even though she's coming off a

1847
01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: win over Amanda Heboss, I still don't know if she's

1848
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: a real player in this division not or if she's

1849
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 1: kind of playing out the string right and kind of taking.

1850
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,200
Speaker 3: On fights to end it.

1851
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:09,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's an interesting cross roads battle, and that

1852
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: the replacement opponent is Tracy Cortez, who's on this great

1853
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: win streak. But we really need to see how good

1854
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 1: she can be on this level. So I like this card, Luke.

1855
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: That's my biggest question. Is Rose still, pound for pound,

1856
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: one of the best in this game or is the

1857
01:19:24,600 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: move up and wait taking some of that greatness from her?

1858
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:32,040
Speaker 1: How would you describe the two fight Rose experience at

1859
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:33,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five pounds. Do you like what

1860
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 1: you see or do you feel like this is kind

1861
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 1: of pushing her out slowly out?

1862
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 3: Well, she did get the win over he Boss, right,

1863
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 3: you're counting that, and she had the fight against Barbera

1864
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 3: that was canceled or yeah, and she looked good.

1865
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,320
Speaker 1: At times against Farrow. It just didn't you know it Just.

1866
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:51,679
Speaker 3: So I don't know. She's thirty two years of age,

1867
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 3: which is not in any way old and certainly not

1868
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 3: old even for championship level UFC fighting. At the same time,

1869
01:19:58,400 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 3: she started young and she split with Trevor Whitman, which,

1870
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: by the way, is kind of like a weird thing

1871
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 3: that we don't really understand. The terms of that.

1872
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 1: Has been the big red flag for me since since

1873
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:08,800
Speaker 1: of this movie.

1874
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,439
Speaker 3: So why is it a red flag because she's losing

1875
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 3: or she won against He Boss.

1876
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 1: But I's I'm trying to figure out. Here's what I'm

1877
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 1: try to figure Out's one of the three things to me,

1878
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: is she declining with age even though she doesn't have

1879
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 1: a ton of career fights. Is it the Trevor Whitman effect? Now?

1880
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 1: Is she is Pep Berry her lead trainer.

1881
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,040
Speaker 3: Now I don't know if he's the lead, but he

1882
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 3: certainly stole.

1883
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,639
Speaker 1: I just haven't seen that dynamic ability. I've seen flashes

1884
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: again in the Pharoh fight, and she did beat Heboss.

1885
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 1: But look, she's always been mercurial in the sense that

1886
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:36,800
Speaker 1: she can show up at any night and literally they

1887
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:38,920
Speaker 1: look like arguably the pomp for pound, greatest you know,

1888
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:41,920
Speaker 1: fly your strawweight in history, and then obviously can have

1889
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:44,160
Speaker 1: fights like she had against Carlos Sparza in their rematch.

1890
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 1: I don't really know where she is Luke in this.

1891
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 1: She's a big name for them, she can headline cards.

1892
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: She's going to be a tough opponent for anyone. But

1893
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: not But moving away from Trevor Whitman, who really seemed

1894
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 1: to understand her and bring out the best in her

1895
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: striking to equal that really great base she had in

1896
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: the grappling. I don't know, Luke, you know what I mean.

1897
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: Like I felt like there was still a big fight

1898
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: for her in that trilogy with Wayley, who's the best,

1899
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 1: Who's the strawweight champion? My pound for pound queen if

1900
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: you will? In the women's MMA game, But yet Rose

1901
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:18,360
Speaker 1: beat her twice and had kick Kohr. I would have

1902
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 1: liked to have seen that fight. I would like to

1903
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,000
Speaker 1: have seen Rose still stay on that level of title contention.

1904
01:21:23,360 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if that size difference, if she can

1905
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:26,559
Speaker 1: get over that at one twenty five to beat the top,

1906
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 1: to beat the top players. It almost doesn't feel like

1907
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: she's kind of playing out the street.

1908
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 3: Here a little bit. Well, it's a five round fight,

1909
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,040
Speaker 3: and we've seen Cortes at times, at times fade a

1910
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:37,120
Speaker 3: little bit in some of these fights. Starts strong and

1911
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 3: fades a little bit down the stretch. I don't think

1912
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 3: it's necessarily a common or huge liability, but something we

1913
01:21:41,600 --> 01:21:43,880
Speaker 3: have observed. But to me, like to answer the question, like,

1914
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:45,920
Speaker 3: what's the storyline you're paying attention to dude, this could

1915
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 3: be like the real ascension of Tracy Cortes. She is

1916
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 3: thirty years of age BC. Here's her UFC run to date, right.

1917
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 3: She went on the Contender Series against Maria Agappova back

1918
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 3: all the way in twenty nineteen. That means she's only

1919
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 3: fought a few times since then. She got a win

1920
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 3: over Vanessa Mello, she beat Stephanie Egger, she beat Justin

1921
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,600
Speaker 3: Kish barely there was a weight miss there. Then she

1922
01:22:06,680 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 3: beat Melissa Gato. Then she had the decision over Jasmine Jazzavisius,

1923
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 3: which was a nice win. Obsuly. Jazavisius has shown I

1924
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,799
Speaker 3: think a pretty important gear of her herself in growing

1925
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 3: and that was of course in twenty twenty three. This

1926
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:21,120
Speaker 3: is her first fight since then. The point I'm trying

1927
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 3: to make here is she's got a good record, but

1928
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 3: she has shown real big flashes of ability. Again, tends

1929
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 3: to be a little bit earlier in fight, but she

1930
01:22:29,320 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: finds ways to win no matter what. In the end,

1931
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: at thirty years of age against a name opponent like

1932
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 3: Rose Nama Units in a five round fight, you have

1933
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 3: all of these ingredients that are finally there to be

1934
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 3: Like wait a second, taking this on. Okay, I think

1935
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: she was training obviously for the Maverick fight, which was

1936
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 3: going to be in the twentieth of this month. Nevertheless,

1937
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 3: just putting it back a week earlier. But still you're

1938
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 3: taken this fight on short notice against a big name.

1939
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,360
Speaker 3: You've had good performances, occasionally very strong performances, but never

1940
01:22:57,439 --> 01:23:00,680
Speaker 3: that signature win, never that signature win. And I kind

1941
01:23:00,680 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 3: of feel like if she goes in there and I mean,

1942
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:05,760
Speaker 3: maybe maybe she loses in the first round, but she

1943
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 3: goes in there and let's say, really gives Rose down

1944
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:11,200
Speaker 3: a unis the business stops her potentially or really just

1945
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 3: you know, beats her up over the course of the

1946
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,040
Speaker 3: duration of that about maybe even survives a couple of

1947
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 3: tough spots, but really sticks it to her. This is

1948
01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 3: going to be Tracy Cortes as title contender. That's really

1949
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,680
Speaker 3: what this is. This is mat in that regard this

1950
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 3: card overall, A little bit poo poo, a little bit poopoo.

1951
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 3: Scott Coker got real mad when we called some of

1952
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: the bell to or cards poo poo.

1953
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:36,240
Speaker 1: But I believe you said the word shi.

1954
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 3: Well that's what they were sorry, I mean was that

1955
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 3: it was I in any way not telling the truth.

1956
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 3: They were garbage. Many of them were garbage. He was

1957
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 3: putting together garbage. But what I'm trying to point out

1958
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 3: here is this one's also not great. This is not

1959
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,439
Speaker 3: a great card. But at the top there is something really, really,

1960
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:56,559
Speaker 3: really kind of interesting about this matchup. Rose. Are you

1961
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 3: coming or going? What's happening here, Tracy Cortes, this is

1962
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:00,439
Speaker 3: your moment.

1963
01:24:00,640 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 1: But even with mixed results so far, at one twenty five,

1964
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 1: Rose feels like she has lost that edge. It feels

1965
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 1: like it when I watch her. Do you know what

1966
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: you get what I'm saying, like that that that that

1967
01:24:08,240 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 1: game planning edge, that ability to be one step ahead.

1968
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Now it seems like one twenty five she's just fighting.

1969
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 3: It seems like either she's on the decline or she

1970
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 3: is making changes to her game or her preparation that

1971
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 3: is yielding what seems like uncharacteristic results. I mean, it

1972
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 3: was kind of funny, right she started out and invicted

1973
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 3: do in flying arm bars, I know, and here she

1974
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 3: is like barely touching opponents at time, like.

1975
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 1: The amount of damage she took in the last two fights.

1976
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,719
Speaker 3: Right, and there's that one as well, like the defense

1977
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 3: has not really caught up or has there not been.

1978
01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 3: It's not true. She is. She's had good well, that's it.

1979
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 3: She's had good defense previously. Now it just seems like

1980
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 3: I can't quite tell where her game is right.

1981
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 1: That's why it's like, if Cortes wins here, that's that's

1982
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 1: a very to me, a very daunting sign she have.

1983
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 3: It's a bad sign for Rose.

1984
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 1: And I mean I I haven't seen, even with dropping

1985
01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 1: for Row twice again, which I think matters in there,

1986
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: and I think Rose was not one hundred percent for

1987
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: that fight. I haven't seen the feel like she's going

1988
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 1: to contend for a title.

1989
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,720
Speaker 3: In this division. Rose also a tough matchup. I mean,

1990
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 3: she plays prevent defense.

1991
01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 1: She I'm talking about Rose.

1992
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 3: I understand what I'm saying is she didn't look good

1993
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 3: in that performance. But it's actually hard to look good

1994
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 3: against Minofia Row. Sure, you know what I mean. So

1995
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 3: that loss, it's not like it doesn't count, it's just

1996
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,280
Speaker 3: is that super indicative. I mean, that's why I love

1997
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 3: this Cortez fight. You would imagine if Rose is back

1998
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 3: to her best, this is winnable. By contrast, if Cortes

1999
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 3: is really ready to ascend, this will be her night

2000
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 3: in a big pronounced kind of way, kind of dig

2001
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:38,559
Speaker 3: that actually, I really actually kind of like this fight.

2002
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: I like it a lot.

2003
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,439
Speaker 3: So I feel like we've said this before a million times,

2004
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 3: man dide women's MMA kind of needs somebody to to

2005
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 3: There are a couple of these names. The blanche Fields

2006
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: are out there, are doing their best. Kayla's out there.

2007
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 3: She had a phenomenal win. Obviously, if she can stay healthy.

2008
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 3: Tatiana Suarez is one of these. Oh yeah, but there's

2009
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,599
Speaker 3: a lot of names that are just not necessarily moving

2010
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 3: the needle. I feel like if Cortez can really go

2011
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:04,280
Speaker 3: out there and put a fucking performance together that the

2012
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: fans remember, oh what happened in that FI Oh that

2013
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 3: was crazy that night, it would just benefit the women's

2014
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 3: game and really really.

2015
01:26:12,240 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: Related to the women's game. Did you see that? You

2016
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: want a champion? Has now said that if the BMF

2017
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:19,639
Speaker 1: title could come out in a female form, she would

2018
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 1: come out of retirement for that. She said that who

2019
01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,040
Speaker 1: would you want to see and don't say Whaley for

2020
01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: the third time, who would you want to see her

2021
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,880
Speaker 1: in a BMF fight again? Okay, we don't need Androge again.

2022
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:31,679
Speaker 3: They've already thought you have to do the fight. No,

2023
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 3: so you you could play with it, right, can with it?

2024
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: But she's she's not good above one fifteen because she

2025
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: has not the power.

2026
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 3: Let's be fair with that, okay, but you could get

2027
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 3: someone else who's a one to fifteen er.

2028
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's like, like, let's be honest,

2029
01:26:44,080 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 1: how many UFC women's fighters right now fit the mold

2030
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 1: of BMF androge Yoanna. I mean, Whaley proved that she

2031
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,519
Speaker 1: can be both pound for pound best and also an

2032
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,560
Speaker 1: absolute lawyer if she needs. But is there enough of

2033
01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 1: those types? I mean, is there a perfect matchup?

2034
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 3: It's interesting, I don't even know who that would be.

2035
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,320
Speaker 3: I mean the fight with way Lee. You could run

2036
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:07,479
Speaker 3: it back, but again it's such a weird different place

2037
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 3: that you hear that one. You can't run that back. No, gosh,

2038
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know how. That's why they

2039
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 3: probably haven't done it yet. It's there's not a lot

2040
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 3: of like great match I mean, and on the men's side, obviously,

2041
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,880
Speaker 3: there's like a gazillion different directions you can go.

2042
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,000
Speaker 2: But can you give me about uh Kaarne Silva. She's

2043
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 2: got all eighteen of her wins by finish. She has fun,

2044
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 2: that's a I.

2045
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 3: Just don't think she's big enough of a name that

2046
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 3: does that really move the needle?

2047
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,080
Speaker 2: No, but you guys should on Onroge And that was

2048
01:27:35,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 2: my first guess.

2049
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 3: So would you? I don't, Androdge seems like she's got

2050
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,759
Speaker 3: some I would like she still can win a UFC title.

2051
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 3: I feel like I know she has.

2052
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like again, yeah, but if they do, Androge,

2053
01:27:49,360 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: you want to again? You want to just gonna box her?

2054
01:27:52,160 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like just jabber and keep moving.

2055
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,280
Speaker 1: Unless you want to say what realizes? If I sign

2056
01:27:56,320 --> 01:27:58,200
Speaker 1: on for BMF, then I'm coming out to just brawl.

2057
01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I actually like Androge in like

2058
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 3: uh because Androge fought at one thirty five. She started

2059
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 3: at one thirty five, So I feel like of anybody

2060
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 3: who could play that game, it's actually Onrodge better than

2061
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:10,840
Speaker 3: most candidates.

2062
01:28:11,560 --> 01:28:13,799
Speaker 1: Do you care about another fight on this card on Saturday?

2063
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 3: Gabriel bo So yeah, the Bond theme one is interesting,

2064
01:28:17,040 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 3: but no, that's actually not the direction I would go.

2065
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 3: I would actually go a little bit separately. I'm gonna

2066
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,439
Speaker 3: go excuse, I'm gonna pull it up here, for just

2067
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 3: a second. The Josh Van fight. Josh Van is a

2068
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 3: top prospect. It's not on the main card. He's taken

2069
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 3: on Charles Johnson on this card. I really kind of

2070
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 3: dig that. Also, Uh, the Jazz Divissius is filling in

2071
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,000
Speaker 3: on a short notice. He's coming on man, So there's

2072
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 3: something a little bit of value there Montiel Montel Jackson.

2073
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 3: Excuse me. I don't love that fight per se, but

2074
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:44,360
Speaker 3: it's a decent one.

2075
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:48,080
Speaker 1: But Bengirler on Cody Brundage versus Al Hassan.

2076
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 3: Yes, it certainly is. But the one, the guy who

2077
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: I think has the highest upside on this entire card

2078
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 3: as a prospect one Josh Van. So anytime he's back

2079
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 3: in action, always worth your time.

2080
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 1: I don't love that Cole name.

2081
01:28:57,800 --> 01:29:00,840
Speaker 3: Is it gonna be a Ponzinibia the Ponzinnibio five against uh?

2082
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 3: Who is he fighting here? Muslim Salakov? Yeah, let's do

2083
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 3: a lot for him.

2084
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 5: It's not moving about Drew Doverer, John Silly. He just

2085
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 5: knocked out georgiohn Sylvia, who had that. He has actually

2086
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 5: pretty good ground of pound and like really fights the

2087
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:15,640
Speaker 5: takedown with strikes. But in a way that is not

2088
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:18,479
Speaker 5: super reckless, but also very authoritative. That's a fine fight.

2089
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,200
Speaker 5: That's a fine fight.

2090
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 3: That's gonna be That's gonna be a car crash, I

2091
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 3: think in the end for sure. But like Josh Van

2092
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,080
Speaker 3: has the kind of potential where you're like, oh he

2093
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 3: could he could really do something with this. He's like

2094
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 3: got real ability. Yo yo.

2095
01:29:33,080 --> 01:29:36,600
Speaker 1: Austin Luke, the son of an Australian. How is the

2096
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,040
Speaker 1: the Mile High Minute? Your your podcast? The Main Card

2097
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 1: Minute doing?

2098
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: Main Card Minute is doing great? We had a great

2099
01:29:41,479 --> 01:29:43,519
Speaker 2: stream on Saturday. Everyone go check it out. We'll have

2100
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 2: a new breakdown this week.

2101
01:29:44,920 --> 01:29:45,759
Speaker 1: Did you get Gaffer?

2102
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gaff was wasted, joined late. It was a good time.

2103
01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,000
Speaker 3: Did you guys blow each other on the button of

2104
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 3: the podcast? Now we're in separate rooms, man, come on,

2105
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 3: all right. With that in mind, those are our top

2106
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 3: five topics, it's time for dms from Donks. You know,

2107
01:29:59,200 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 3: let's hear let's hear here the thing now?

2108
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:07,280
Speaker 1: Is he pooping or or releasing jizzing?

2109
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 3: All right, just put on the screen. I can't find

2110
01:30:09,439 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: it in my email. Here we go from brad Crow. Dude,

2111
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,599
Speaker 3: what's the shelf life on these washed UFC fighters? Freak fights,

2112
01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:18,639
Speaker 3: boxing matches. Will we reached the point of diminishing returns

2113
01:30:18,640 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 3: when Cowboy boxes mister Beast. Okay, But the difference here

2114
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,759
Speaker 3: is that both of these guys were legit UFC fighters.

2115
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:26,799
Speaker 3: That's really the difference.

2116
01:30:26,840 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, the difference is you people have to take

2117
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: it as serious as Jorge and Nate did for this.

2118
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,479
Speaker 1: That's right, Like, I don't know if everyone is taking

2119
01:30:32,479 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: all of it.

2120
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 3: It's not a coincidence that these guys were high level

2121
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,000
Speaker 3: pro athletes and not too far removed from that, and

2122
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 3: then they gave you a good effort.

2123
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 1: Is he asking what the shelf life is on the

2124
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: bubble or is he asking what.

2125
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,479
Speaker 3: He's calling it a freak show? I honestly didn't feel

2126
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 3: like this was no That's why I loved it.

2127
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it didn't have stakes like a title had

2128
01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:52,080
Speaker 1: stakes in terms of where the winner could go. But

2129
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 1: what do you I mean, it's like, what do you

2130
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:56,599
Speaker 1: want from across over fight? For me, you want competitive action.

2131
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be top level. It's not going

2132
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: to be top levels it's the whole point. But if

2133
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Speaker 1: it's competitive action.

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01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:04,120
Speaker 3: I want a good style contrast that brings out a

2135
01:31:04,120 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 3: lot of action. That's really it, and that's what you got,

2136
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,760
Speaker 3: bang bang. So as long as you got that, you've

2137
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 3: got something to work with.

2138
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I don't need Cowboy Saroni in one.

2139
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:14,880
Speaker 3: Especially, it's mister beast. That's I buried Cowboy Seroni in

2140
01:31:14,920 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 3: a coffin for five days. Look what we discovered. You know,

2141
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:21,479
Speaker 3: I can't love that guy. Oh have you had his candy? Yes?

2142
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:24,120
Speaker 3: Super overrated. Now there's a lot about him that's overraty.

2143
01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 1: He does give a lot of money too, He does

2144
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 1: give a lot.

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01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm not a mister beat hater. I just yeah, it's

2146
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 3: just whatever his candy sucks. All right? Here we go

2147
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 3: from Jay Matt Texas. We have two videos for this

2148
01:31:34,080 --> 01:31:38,599
Speaker 3: thoughts on the Darren Hill versus Mohammed MOOTI finish brawl.

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01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Can we first see that the next step for till

2150
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 1: let's see the rabbit punch and then the bral so Luke,

2151
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:44,519
Speaker 1: here is their boxing match.

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01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 3: This was early on.

2153
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,759
Speaker 1: There's one It seemed like a light touch rabbit punch

2154
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: and that ended the fight.

2155
01:31:49,560 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, he didn't want to be there.

2156
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:52,599
Speaker 1: Who is this guy he's fighting?

2157
01:31:52,640 --> 01:31:54,640
Speaker 3: I had no idea he didn't want to be.

2158
01:31:54,800 --> 01:31:57,719
Speaker 1: Well, now, Darren Till's getting killed for the subsequent brawl

2159
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 1: in which his takedown defense really got com Sarah Luke,

2160
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:01,200
Speaker 1: did you see this?

2161
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,160
Speaker 3: Like, I'm beat up by this rabbit punch? But also

2162
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 3: not so here we go.

2163
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,720
Speaker 1: So this is social gloves? Where was this in the

2164
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: Middle East?

2165
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 3: Dubai? Goodbye? And there's a stupid ass pushing.

2166
01:32:12,360 --> 01:32:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, this does not look good for Darren Till's.

2167
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:16,720
Speaker 3: Future, right, and then he goes after him and then

2168
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 3: he gets single legged. Watch this, I know, head outside

2169
01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 3: single you know it? Just this is what I mean

2170
01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:25,920
Speaker 3: like when I put the tell Till versus Perry fight

2171
01:32:26,720 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 3: on this, It's not for this side of the whole thing.

2172
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 3: Although you'll get a little bit of this obviously, there's

2173
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 3: just no way. But I actually feel like Till's got

2174
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 3: whatever ability he's got left. Mike's gonna test it and

2175
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 3: the action would be kind of fun. What about Jorge

2176
01:32:40,360 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 3: Till where youmatch? You could do that? All right?

2177
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 1: Well, what was the spirit of this question?

2178
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:44,519
Speaker 3: Here Long Island?

2179
01:32:44,560 --> 01:32:45,639
Speaker 1: Look, if you can bring that back.

2180
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 3: Up, what do you guys make of the thing? It's just,

2181
01:32:48,400 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 3: you know, so.

2182
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:52,639
Speaker 1: Till's career has been so maddening, right, just so like weird.

2183
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:54,599
Speaker 3: Like I remember when they brought him out and I

2184
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 3: you know, they were like, He's like, I'm the best

2185
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:58,600
Speaker 3: fighter in the world, and you know, I'm going to

2186
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: prove it. And then this ship is like completely what

2187
01:33:01,880 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 3: do you want to call this irrelevant? I mean that's

2188
01:33:03,320 --> 01:33:03,600
Speaker 3: what it is.

2189
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:05,200
Speaker 1: Thought he would be the next Connor. That's why they

2190
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: rushed him in, but.

2191
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 3: Not true that there's nothing left for him to do

2192
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,320
Speaker 3: that could yield big results. That actually is not true.

2193
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: But this is not that. Yeah, this was weird, all right.

2194
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 3: Next a man and his cat that's b c Oh. Yeah,

2195
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 3: I can't wait to see Reggie Jackson. I missed that

2196
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,240
Speaker 3: boxing and the MMA. What fights are you most looking

2197
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,679
Speaker 3: forward to that are booked? Question? Good question.

2198
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Well that's a problem. There aren't enough great fights. But

2199
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 1: I want max Ilia, I want versus Seaan, I want.

2200
01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,000
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'm not looking forward to John versus Depey, but

2201
01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 3: I just want to get it over. Yeah, I'm with

2202
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:33,920
Speaker 3: you on that.

2203
01:33:34,439 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: See, I don't like love Espinall Blades too. It's a

2204
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: fight I need to, like, we need to see what

2205
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: happens there. But it's not like I'm pretty excited about

2206
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:42,000
Speaker 1: that one. I'm not over I'm not overly excited about all.

2207
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm just want to get that over with as well.

2208
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,080
Speaker 1: Is there any in boxing that's that's signed?

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Speaker 3: Well, okay, what about Bobby King who Bobby King Green

2210
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,040
Speaker 3: who changed his name to King? Yes, shout out to

2211
01:33:51,080 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 3: him versus Pat.

2212
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: I like that fight a lot. I like Mike Perry

2213
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 1: versus Jake Paul lot that signed.

2214
01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 3: You know what I'm actually excited for. And I'm not

2215
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 3: even bullshitting is C j I versus ADC? See like

2216
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,080
Speaker 3: that that that weekend in Vegas is gonna be We'll

2217
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 3: get to that. And I think in a second there's

2218
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 3: a d M.

2219
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: But let me ask you. They just signed Ben was

2220
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,720
Speaker 1: Saint Deny coming back against moneymy Connor.

2221
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,679
Speaker 3: I like that? So I mean just a fucking bad

2222
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 3: I think it's Paris. Yeah, that's gonna be an absolute

2223
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:21,040
Speaker 3: fucking ridiculous fight. That's a great one.

2224
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Did I make a bad move on my vacation by

2225
01:34:22,920 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: going to Paris right after the Olympics end?

2226
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 3: In the Paralympics begin? I probably are you saying that

2227
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 3: because you don't want to be around paralyzed people?

2228
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 1: Wow? Wow, Wow, No, that's not the question. Like, I

2229
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 1: don't want to be around the crowds, just endless crowds.

2230
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean do. Paris is always pretty fucking crowded.

2231
01:34:42,040 --> 01:34:44,200
Speaker 3: Never been right, never been. Let me warn you about

2232
01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:47,519
Speaker 3: the food. The food in Paris is very, very good,

2233
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:51,400
Speaker 3: but there are so many places that trap tourists. It's

2234
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 3: very easy to eat bad.

2235
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,920
Speaker 1: Don't worry, my wife has watched five thousand YouTube videos.

2236
01:34:56,120 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 3: Prepary detailed, as long as you've got a bit of

2237
01:34:58,040 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 3: a place to like go.

2238
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: But these are my people, Luke, don't forget I'm half

2239
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: French Canadian.

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Speaker 3: If you think the people in d C don't find

2241
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,040
Speaker 3: you charming, wait until you see the Parisians. Motherfucker.

2242
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,439
Speaker 1: They're gonna look at you like humanoids. They're gonna be

2243
01:35:10,439 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: against the Lithuanian in me. That's what they're gonna be against.

2244
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 3: They're gonna be against everything in you. I hope they

2245
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 3: like my humor. By the way, they also don't like

2246
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 3: French Canadians like they speak French, so they don't give

2247
01:35:19,160 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 3: a fuck about them. Well maybe they make you know,

2248
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:22,479
Speaker 3: like they make fun of their accent.

2249
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: Then maybe I'll have more fun in in that that

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01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 1: bougie factory town on his London. I love the place.

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01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,520
Speaker 3: London's pretty great. Yeh, all right, here we go next

2252
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,679
Speaker 3: World's Worst Hero, that's you and me. Any idea when

2253
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 3: Brian will be an in ring interviewer again. I absolutely

2254
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 3: loved him in that role, and I truly believe he

2255
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 3: has a real future doing that long term. Why did

2256
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,240
Speaker 3: you get your kids to send in dms?

2257
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,120
Speaker 1: I know, seriously, this felt like a plan drop. Thank

2258
01:35:46,160 --> 01:35:47,760
Speaker 1: you for that. I hope I hope again soon. I

2259
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:48,439
Speaker 1: hope again soon.

2260
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,160
Speaker 3: Anything on the horizon, nothing, nothing too big.

2261
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Right, A couple of small things on the horizon, nothing

2262
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:55,680
Speaker 1: too big, nothing like this, nothing like that. But you know,

2263
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 1: maybe the phone will start ringing again. Hey, I'm already

2264
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: willing and able, and this is what I love to do.

2265
01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 3: So let's let's be I was the pay for this

2266
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 3: gig really good? It was good?

2267
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, we're at showtime. Let's

2268
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 1: be almost let's be honest.

2269
01:36:09,240 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 3: That's pretty good.

2270
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,880
Speaker 1: I'm at a showtime. The death of Showtime killed a

2271
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 1: lot of people financially.

2272
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:16,240
Speaker 3: Right, Oh my god, the death of Showtime has fucked

2273
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 3: up my life.

2274
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 1: It's changed the pay structure I'm willing to accept, right

2275
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:21,720
Speaker 1: as we're getting back on the door. Heck, I was

2276
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: delivering pizzas for door dashes.

2277
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:25,320
Speaker 3: I got to suck a couple of dicks.

2278
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I will say it was.

2279
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:29,360
Speaker 3: It was very good on Saturday. It's a very good payday.

2280
01:36:29,400 --> 01:36:30,280
Speaker 3: So thank you.

2281
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 1: Hope again soon. I love that role. But what I

2282
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 1: do love I'll do that role every day the week.

2283
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,479
Speaker 1: But I love the commentary, commentary, color and I will

2284
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 1: actually I like color a lot. I think if you

2285
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 1: ask me, what's my goal long term, I'm starting to

2286
01:36:43,400 --> 01:36:45,240
Speaker 1: wonder if play by play is my long term?

2287
01:36:45,680 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 3: My long term, Yeah, I would love to be on

2288
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:49,680
Speaker 3: an analyst desk somewhere. I just don't think it's I

2289
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 3: would love play by play. I would you like that one?

2290
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 1: I didn't think it was me, but I'm starting to

2291
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:55,200
Speaker 1: realize I'm.

2292
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:56,879
Speaker 3: I don't feel like I'm very good at the commentary.

2293
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 3: I feel like the analystuff I could.

2294
01:36:58,280 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 1: Yes, you're go at commentary, but you crush animals.

2295
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:04,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll see right now? You know again, the

2296
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 3: death of Showtime has just fucking put a dagger in

2297
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 3: my heart. All Right, what have we got next? Anything else? Oh?

2298
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 3: Here we go? From flannels and JITs? Will you have

2299
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 3: a watch party for Seal. Well, there we go. So

2300
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 3: when is that again? So August sixteenth and seventeenth, right,

2301
01:37:16,240 --> 01:37:19,080
Speaker 3: and it's three days for ADCC, it's two days. I'll

2302
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 3: be on vacation during that stretch, so I will probably

2303
01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 3: do something for it. Yeah, I will probably do.

2304
01:37:23,240 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 1: Will you put your hand in Luke Rockold's pants?

2305
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 3: Like Jones? The oil wrestling, the Turkish oil wrestling that

2306
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 3: they were doing. No, I'm not that not that hard

2307
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 3: up for it? Right? But is that? It is that

2308
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,080
Speaker 3: all our questions? All right? Very good? All right, let's see.

2309
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,160
Speaker 1: Your I scoured the globe last night at the airport hotel.

2310
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: By the way, is there any worse hotels than airport hotels?

2311
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: It's the bob, I mean, the only thing worse is

2312
01:37:42,960 --> 01:37:45,000
Speaker 3: where murders occur. Like you're a cono.

2313
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: I wasn't in any w jerse, so I was close enough, right, Yeah, Okay,

2314
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 1: here we go. I scoured the globe.

2315
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 3: You know what we're doing here? This is called have

2316
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:59,720
Speaker 3: you seen this shit? That's a good thing.

2317
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:03,040
Speaker 1: So somebody recorded that and said that in for us, right,

2318
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 1: that's a fan.

2319
01:38:03,560 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: That's a fan who did that.

2320
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, the best fans, remember that guy Damo that sent

2321
01:38:06,360 --> 01:38:08,320
Speaker 1: us in that song at the end of our second documentary,

2322
01:38:08,320 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: that Ricky Martin song.

2323
01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:11,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that could be your co host baby. Yes, I

2324
01:38:11,479 --> 01:38:12,160
Speaker 3: love our people.

2325
01:38:12,280 --> 01:38:13,880
Speaker 1: We you know what we need to do make this

2326
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,520
Speaker 1: show great again, just like Maga the uh the uh.

2327
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:18,920
Speaker 3: We need to know. We know what we need to do.

2328
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 3: We need to launch our own scam coin like hamsad

2329
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: did it. Just scammed the shit of our fans and

2330
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 3: then just moved to like a remote island and never

2331
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 3: see him again.

2332
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, Luke. Fourth of July. God bless America.

2333
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: People running around disgracing the American flag. Let's go down

2334
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: to the lake doc here. Let's listen, right, did your go?

2335
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:38,480
Speaker 2: God Bless America?

2336
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:46,920
Speaker 3: What a patriot? This kid is absolutely what he deserves

2337
01:38:46,960 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 3: for his flag desecration. Fuck this nerve he loves this country.

2338
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:52,840
Speaker 3: Come on, I don't understand. Here's what I don't get.

2339
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 3: And I tweeted about this, and I got a lot

2340
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 3: of pushback from morons, which while it's a routine experience

2341
01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 3: that I have on social media, the flag code, which

2342
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:03,760
Speaker 3: is not law, nor am I suggesting it be law.

2343
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 3: And by the way, feel like it's for the military. No,

2344
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:07,839
Speaker 3: it's not. It's for civilians. It's for the entire population.

2345
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 3: That is not true. People being like leave people alone,

2346
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,719
Speaker 3: they're just having fun. And I'm like and I'm like, okay,

2347
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 3: I get that, Like we're not like, no one's going

2348
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:15,080
Speaker 3: to come arrestue for it.

2349
01:39:15,240 --> 01:39:17,520
Speaker 1: I have an nWo shirt with with flag sleeves.

2350
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 3: Alone, have the N word on it, like Hulk Cogan.

2351
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,719
Speaker 3: The point I'm trying to make is, how is dressing

2352
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:30,040
Speaker 3: obnoxiously patriotism but honoring the etiquette of the people who

2353
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 3: died for the flag is not patriotism, it's old person shit. Well,

2354
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:39,679
Speaker 3: what I actually don't understand how is how is dressing

2355
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:44,599
Speaker 3: like a pro wrestler on Halloween patriotism flag etiquette and

2356
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 3: honoring the flag. That's just something that does that's irrelevant bullshit. Here,

2357
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 3: The answer is people don't know what the flag code is,

2358
01:39:51,479 --> 01:39:54,160
Speaker 3: and so for they think it's irrelevant and they want

2359
01:39:54,160 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 3: to have obnoxious, loud patriots. That's that's you making patriotism

2360
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 3: all about yourself.

2361
01:40:00,439 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 1: To me, the flag code means don't burn the flag,

2362
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:04,200
Speaker 1: don't destroy the flag part of it.

2363
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:04,800
Speaker 3: That's part of it.

2364
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,719
Speaker 1: Don't put the flag with an obnoxious thing that doesn't

2365
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:09,640
Speaker 1: belong on it, like you know, a dick suck and

2366
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,000
Speaker 1: logo or something like that. I mean, just but like Luke,

2367
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 1: this is fine. The kids just love an America.

2368
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,280
Speaker 3: I understand, I understand. I just want to be clear.

2369
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 3: It's not patriotism. It's not. It's it's just you trying

2370
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 3: to make yourself look good and have fun and a

2371
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,679
Speaker 3: whacky wait, which is fun. Should be fun.

2372
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,640
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're describing that Pat Tillman joke I

2373
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: tried to get off that.

2374
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:30,840
Speaker 3: It just blows my mind that people think dressing up

2375
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 3: like a pro wrestler is patriotism, but flag etiquette is not.

2376
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,040
Speaker 1: Do you think Time Legal remembers that situation.

2377
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 3: I bet they do. Motherfucker. That was a soga on

2378
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:39,880
Speaker 3: a half.

2379
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: All right, did you are Fourth of July parade is

2380
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:43,160
Speaker 1: a thing not where I come from.

2381
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:45,440
Speaker 3: It's in DC. All right, Let's watch this parade.

2382
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Look at this lady honoring America and it's still clue, red,

2383
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: white and blue.

2384
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 3: You know what. I'm surprised the wings didn't keep her up.

2385
01:40:57,560 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2386
01:40:57,960 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 1: Well, it wouldn't be Fourth of July without some fireworks injuries.

2387
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:01,200
Speaker 1: Let's watch this.

2388
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:11,760
Speaker 4: One the car.

2389
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 3: Dude, that's kind of hurting for a while with him.

2390
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,280
Speaker 1: Hey, how about some elder abuse time. And speaking of

2391
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:24,720
Speaker 1: Fourth of July parades, did you see eighty year old

2392
01:41:24,760 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Danny Trayjo. So he's in this parade.

2393
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:28,559
Speaker 3: He got hit with the water balloon.

2394
01:41:28,560 --> 01:41:30,200
Speaker 1: He got hit with a water balloon, and he came

2395
01:41:30,200 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 1: out looking to provide a receipt. Watch him in the

2396
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,000
Speaker 1: white Sure.

2397
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 3: A man is in his seventies or eighties, eighty, he's

2398
01:41:36,479 --> 01:41:38,720
Speaker 3: wearing loafers. Like bro, I'm not saying you gotta let

2399
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:39,719
Speaker 3: it go completely, but.

2400
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: Watch him go after this guy who threw the who

2401
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:41,760
Speaker 1: threw it?

2402
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:43,880
Speaker 3: I know he's an og, but like bro, it didn't

2403
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:45,240
Speaker 3: work out for him. I mean, look at him, but

2404
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 3: he got right back up. Look at that Luke, all right,

2405
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:48,559
Speaker 3: I appreciate Look at that old ball.

2406
01:41:48,360 --> 01:41:50,160
Speaker 1: Guy just get destroyed right there.

2407
01:41:50,200 --> 01:41:53,600
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. I appreciate that. But like, I don't know,

2408
01:41:53,640 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, don't fuck with Danny trey Hoe. And

2409
01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:57,200
Speaker 3: he didn't deserve that. But at the same time, I'm

2410
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 3: not trying to see him get hurt.

2411
01:41:58,479 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 1: So you're saying he shouldn't have gotten out the car

2412
01:42:00,080 --> 01:42:00,640
Speaker 1: and tried to throw.

2413
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,360
Speaker 3: I'm just I don't know what the right answer was.

2414
01:42:02,439 --> 01:42:04,639
Speaker 3: Have some security, all right, let's see more all therbutse

2415
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,280
Speaker 3: I see these I see these things at the park.

2416
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:13,120
Speaker 3: Free exercise machines off. Dude, I'm telling you, I'm telling you.

2417
01:42:13,240 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 3: Unless you really ride public transportation, yes, you don't know

2418
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:21,800
Speaker 3: how weak and unbalanced the average person is. My number

2419
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 3: one rule, my number one rule. Can you take your

2420
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:32,120
Speaker 3: luggage and put it in the ladies do that? They

2421
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 3: always ask me, can you have me? And I'm like,

2422
01:42:34,640 --> 01:42:37,880
Speaker 3: you're fifty? Why are you looking this fucking infirm? Uh

2423
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 3: luke t shirt of the week time certified.

2424
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,600
Speaker 1: By the way. I ate so many tortos out in

2425
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: due Mexican food in La. It's what I ate for

2426
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:53,240
Speaker 1: every single meal.

2427
01:42:53,320 --> 01:42:55,600
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you? The way food in

2428
01:42:55,640 --> 01:42:57,040
Speaker 3: La in general is actually pretty good.

2429
01:42:57,120 --> 01:42:59,479
Speaker 1: Oh it's I actually think it's my favorite city for food.

2430
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 3: I still think Me York is better. However, when it

2431
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:03,400
Speaker 3: comes to Mexican food, I love New.

2432
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:05,839
Speaker 1: York, but I'll take LA food because of the Mexican Because.

2433
01:43:05,800 --> 01:43:08,200
Speaker 3: I will say that Mexican food in La is I mean, even.

2434
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: Like the old ladies next to the Staples Center on

2435
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 1: the street with that little like oven that.

2436
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 3: It's it's it's as they say in my househor Yes, Hey, look,

2437
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:19,519
Speaker 3: this next video brings new meaning to the term white walls.

2438
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,200
Speaker 3: How's that TikTok dance doing? Get dumb? Fuck?

2439
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 1: Did it all for the grand Hey?

2440
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 3: Did your ghost ride the whip? Your dumb piece of ship? Luke?

2441
01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 1: We used to have cable access shows in the nineties

2442
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,400
Speaker 1: and we'd call it him prank call. Yeah, yeah, I

2443
01:43:35,479 --> 01:43:37,960
Speaker 1: watch this one. Let's go to Kevin. I believe in

2444
01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:39,040
Speaker 1: New Jersey.

2445
01:43:39,080 --> 01:43:41,960
Speaker 3: Kevin, what's your question for oj I?

2446
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,360
Speaker 4: My kick Chris was wondering, do you think it was

2447
01:43:45,400 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 4: a bigger feat to break two thousand yards in one

2448
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:50,439
Speaker 4: season or slice two next in one night.

2449
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,439
Speaker 3: I'm having a little trouble Kevin hearing you.

2450
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:59,840
Speaker 1: I trifle deaf in this ear speak next time?

2451
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 3: Fuck it awesome?

2452
01:44:01,640 --> 01:44:04,439
Speaker 1: Hey, look, there's nothing like hawk Tua right, spin on

2453
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:09,280
Speaker 1: that thing. All sad about the hawk Tua. I'll put

2454
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:15,880
Speaker 1: the hook Tua. Look, I bet he did you know.

2455
01:44:15,960 --> 01:44:18,080
Speaker 3: I want to know the story of how he lost

2456
01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 3: that arm, and I guarantee you it's not one that

2457
01:44:21,120 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 3: makes him look good.

2458
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: No, do you know they're doing a documentary series on

2459
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:26,000
Speaker 1: Hawk Tua girl.

2460
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, d I mean, listen, my career is largely a failure. Yeah,

2461
01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:32,280
Speaker 3: and she made one joke about sucking dick and is

2462
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 3: going to be eminently more successful than you are and rich.

2463
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:36,040
Speaker 3: Yeah all right.

2464
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:37,880
Speaker 1: This weekend in boxing, Luke I mentioned at Sha Kris

2465
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:41,000
Speaker 1: Stevenson he wore this shirt after the fight that has

2466
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,200
Speaker 1: Loma and Bob Earm on the front. On the back

2467
01:44:43,240 --> 01:44:47,599
Speaker 1: it says, bro Bob is saving his son from this

2468
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:48,400
Speaker 1: ass whipping.

2469
01:44:48,400 --> 01:44:50,720
Speaker 3: Now it's hard to wear that shotb didn't even show up.

2470
01:44:50,760 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 3: Bob flew to fucking Japan, he flew to fucking London, Dubai,

2471
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 3: he didn't even go to fucking Newer.

2472
01:44:57,320 --> 01:44:59,160
Speaker 1: Can he still wear that shirt after the crowd booze

2473
01:44:59,160 --> 01:44:59,719
Speaker 1: and walks.

2474
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 3: Out, You can't. I mean obvious he was pre planned.

2475
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, let's go to.

2476
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: The undercard here and new where Keishawn Davis one of

2477
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,400
Speaker 1: the rising young stars in boxing. Watch the business between

2478
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,280
Speaker 1: him and Miguel Madueno. Luke, this was a watch the referee.

2479
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:17,280
Speaker 1: Oh dude, this was a physical, dramatic fight, one in

2480
01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 1: which Kishan got the best of him.

2481
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 3: But watch this sequence oh he picked him up. Yeah,

2482
01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 3: it was a dirty fighters gave him the slam. There.

2483
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 1: Kishan's coming on though, He's coming on Luca to North Virginia.

2484
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:34,679
Speaker 1: No tough place, that Tidewater area.

2485
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I dated a girl of Norfolk. Tough place. Yeah,

2486
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 3: all right.

2487
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: You mentioned Abdullah Mason, the twenty year old lightweight prospects,

2488
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 1: this fatacing a guy who's never been stopped. Last name

2489
01:45:44,600 --> 01:45:47,520
Speaker 1: Lebron Look at him, Bullyham, Luke, watch these combinations.

2490
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 3: Abdulla Mason, southpaw, slick, powerful from another guy from Ohio,

2491
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:54,519
Speaker 3: by the way, crafty. Look how short these punches are

2492
01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:55,720
Speaker 3: and yet how effective they are.

2493
01:45:56,200 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: Dude, You know how Michigan Cali gets like the love

2494
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,080
Speaker 1: for producing great boxers right New York City, Yeah, little

2495
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: Ohio dude.

2496
01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, his corner's like I had enough watching due. Abdella

2497
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:06,440
Speaker 3: Mason is incredible.

2498
01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: He kind of won the night in a lot of ways,

2499
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 1: like he was the story so many people were talking

2500
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,800
Speaker 1: about outside that he shine Yeah over in Golden Boy

2501
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:17,479
Speaker 1: in California, Luke, how about lightweight prospect Williams Zapata improving

2502
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:20,559
Speaker 1: to thirty one and oh with twenty seven knockouts. Some

2503
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 1: people are saying he could be a future Shaka.

2504
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:26,160
Speaker 3: Also looks pretty great. Yeah in this particular fight. So yeah.

2505
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:29,599
Speaker 1: Another strong win, stopping Giovanni Cabrera in the third round.

2506
01:46:30,240 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 1: The real boxing match of the week, though, Luke, took

2507
01:46:32,160 --> 01:46:36,919
Speaker 1: place in Dubai, my man do Rosick taking on fellow

2508
01:46:37,320 --> 01:46:40,759
Speaker 1: small person I Ralei. Luke, this was the haggler hearns

2509
01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 1: of little fights. This was great.

2510
01:46:42,360 --> 01:46:43,600
Speaker 3: How big are those gloves?

2511
01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:47,679
Speaker 1: I think I think I could put my h Michael

2512
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:48,479
Speaker 1: Horness in there, Luke.

2513
01:46:48,520 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I can't tell if this is

2514
01:46:50,439 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 3: exploitative or awesome. Awesome?

2515
01:46:52,400 --> 01:46:55,599
Speaker 1: So we've wanted to see Abdu Rosick versus has Bulah

2516
01:46:55,640 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 1: for so long. I think this sets the stage for it,

2517
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:57,960
Speaker 1: doesn't it.

2518
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 3: No, Sita awesome or exploitative?

2519
01:47:01,880 --> 01:47:02,800
Speaker 2: Look pretty sweet to me.

2520
01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:08,519
Speaker 1: All right, Regional mma time, Luke, Where anything happen?

2521
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:14,519
Speaker 3: Anything bro overhand rights? Which is stance? Oh, soccer kicked

2522
01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 3: him to the grave, watches overhand right? His worst defense ever?

2523
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:20,519
Speaker 3: Swich a stance? Bad?

2524
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 1: What promotion is allowing these kicks to the down?

2525
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:23,080
Speaker 3: Man?

2526
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:23,559
Speaker 1: Uh?

2527
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,880
Speaker 3: Probably somewhere in to eastern like pull end or something.

2528
01:47:25,920 --> 01:47:28,479
Speaker 1: All right, we'll keep it going here. Combat gave us

2529
01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:30,240
Speaker 1: maybe the worst injury I've ever seen. And I don't

2530
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:32,439
Speaker 1: normally don't play these, but Luke, I've never seen this.

2531
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wow.

2532
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,040
Speaker 3: Relations capacity? And what did he get paid for this card? Probably?

2533
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, you can't be making much on

2534
01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:43,040
Speaker 3: a car.

2535
01:47:43,040 --> 01:47:45,519
Speaker 1: Now, No, all right, let's listen on this guy's hardship.

2536
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:49,280
Speaker 3: Acid reflex caused Paul Guidry to develop throat cancer in

2537
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:54,520
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. His only option to communicate became this electronic

2538
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:55,280
Speaker 3: voice box.

2539
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:04,120
Speaker 1: To be fair, you sent me that one. You rarely

2540
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:05,120
Speaker 1: send me those, but that was.

2541
01:48:05,320 --> 01:48:06,880
Speaker 3: Friend so that to me, And I was like, this

2542
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:09,720
Speaker 3: is fucked up. But I'd be lying if I said

2543
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:10,240
Speaker 3: I didn't laugh.

2544
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,559
Speaker 1: Let's go over to Craig Jones, him and Luke Rock

2545
01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: hold oiling up.

2546
01:48:13,479 --> 01:48:14,920
Speaker 3: Here, Luke a little much for me?

2547
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: Did they Did they touch pipe?

2548
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:20,040
Speaker 3: I don't know? Is okay? Even if it's ironic, I mean,

2549
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:20,960
Speaker 3: it's still.

2550
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, like, which Craig will go there,

2551
01:48:24,280 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 1: He'll go there, Luke, if.

2552
01:48:25,439 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 3: You bang another guy ironically.

2553
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:32,200
Speaker 1: We'll end it there. Okay, we'll end it there. All right.

2554
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 3: Luke got a.

2555
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 1: Couple more for you. We always have our smoking innovations.

2556
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:38,040
Speaker 1: What do you think about this drone bong?

2557
01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:42,960
Speaker 3: Seems like a stupid ass away to try to get high?

2558
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,920
Speaker 1: But look mom, no hands.

2559
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I will tell you that the ingenuity that goes

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01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:52,320
Speaker 3: into and the engineering, yes, it goes into getting high

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01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:53,439
Speaker 3: is second to none.

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01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Look, your boy is he Ada Son was on TV

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01:48:57,160 --> 01:48:58,200
Speaker 1: and this weird thing happened.

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01:49:00,760 --> 01:49:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm prepared to do that. Sure on national TV.

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01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 3: So no, no, but just to be careful of the

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01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:11,000
Speaker 3: face and you can kick me in the head as

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01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 3: hard as you want, sure, Yeah, but I'm gonna close

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01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 3: my eyes. Is that all right? Worries? Okay, all right?

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01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,400
Speaker 3: This looks Steves three two.

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01:49:25,640 --> 01:49:27,320
Speaker 1: Treat him like his dog or do I sound like

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01:49:27,320 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: Sean striggling right there?

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01:49:28,200 --> 01:49:29,840
Speaker 3: All right? A little bit? Yeah, a little bit. Thank you.

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01:49:30,120 --> 01:49:31,240
Speaker 3: That's good publicity for him.

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01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:33,720
Speaker 1: Ah yeah, Luke, have you ever been so drunk that

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Speaker 1: this happened? Are you okay?

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01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:44,800
Speaker 3: All right?

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01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:45,960
Speaker 1: That'll stop traffic.

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01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:59,400
Speaker 3: Wow, that's what d drinking. Yeah, let's put him behind

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01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 3: the wheel of car.

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Speaker 1: Mikey is that you?

2581
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 2: I just said that? Here?

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01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:12,080
Speaker 1: Let me set up my final one, Luke, do you

2583
01:50:12,120 --> 01:50:14,360
Speaker 1: remember we used to have that place called the Bomb

2584
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: Shelter in Jersey City, Malka Studios. You ever wonder what

2585
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:18,960
Speaker 1: it looks like now?

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01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,519
Speaker 3: No, I've never look at.

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01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,800
Speaker 1: This picture that was taken two weeks ago inside our

2588
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: old break kitchen.

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01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 3: You got a motherfucking pigeon in there. This is the

2590
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 3: break room next to it. Yeah, your thoughts. We had

2591
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 3: a good run.

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01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:34,720
Speaker 1: Do you ever wanted to go back there and just

2593
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:35,679
Speaker 1: like deficate on the floor.

2594
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:38,160
Speaker 3: I definitely want us to have our own dedicated space,

2595
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:41,400
Speaker 3: not so much to defecate. Boy, you got you guy

2596
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:45,080
Speaker 3: goes to Newark train station one time, I'm on the floor.

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01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:47,960
Speaker 1: That's the ship of the week. I gotta pee my pants.

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01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:50,519
Speaker 3: That's a pretty good one. Hey, let's remind everybody you

2599
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 3: can follow us on social there we are morning combat

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01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 3: at all the different places. Hey, listen, guys, we know there

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01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 3: wasn't a lot about UFC talk. There's not a lot

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01:50:56,840 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 3: of UFC talk.

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01:50:57,479 --> 01:50:59,120
Speaker 1: Yea, why don't we tell those guys to make big fights?

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01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:01,880
Speaker 1: And by what New York Times feature on a power slides?

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01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I send it to you. The doctors

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01:51:04,800 --> 01:51:07,160
Speaker 3: in there don't seem to love it, So there's that.

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01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,400
Speaker 3: Of course, you can get some merch, and get some

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01:51:09,439 --> 01:51:11,640
Speaker 3: merch right here Morning Combat Dot store. You can use

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01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 3: that code live ten for whatever that's worth.

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01:51:13,720 --> 01:51:15,040
Speaker 1: Is there any reason for us to do m K

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01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: free Fridays this week or do you just want to

2612
01:51:16,479 --> 01:51:17,799
Speaker 1: funk around and talk about boobs?

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01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:19,400
Speaker 3: We could probably do MK free Fridays. I mean, I

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01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 3: just don't you know. We'll just do a little bit

2615
01:51:20,439 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 3: of a UFC Denver preview and then talk about pornography. Probably, yeah, yeah,

2616
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:27,960
Speaker 3: all right, and that is it for everyone, So all right,

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01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 3: thank you for watching. We appreciate it. That's b C MLT.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, all of your gains be loyal. Bye.