Speaker 1: I was laughing at him earlier. I was like, do
Speaker 1: you remember my oldest dom's first Halloween. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: came to your house, you know, for trick or treat
Speaker 1: and so Rob obviously I know where he lives, right,
Speaker 1: So he comes to the door and he's wearing the
Speaker 1: exact same clothes he wore to work, with a knitted
Speaker 1: Santa Claus like mask, like right on his face. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, So I'm like, trick or treat whatever.
Speaker 1: My domb's like one, so it puts it in. So
Speaker 1: I was talking to so he's got the mask, and
Speaker 1: I was like, my god, you get a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of tricker treaders or anything. And
Speaker 1: he's not really saying anything, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like all right, and.
Speaker 2: He kind of like looks at me. He's like, how'd
Speaker 2: you know it was me? And I was.
Speaker 1: Like, I know, I know where you live, and you're
Speaker 1: in the same exact clothes I saw you in two
Speaker 1: hours ago.
Speaker 2: Like in Foxborough, like Jack Santa Clause.
Speaker 1: It was like it was like the best man.
Speaker 2: Welcome to games with names. They're Jack and Kyler. I'm
Speaker 2: Julian Edelman, and we are on a mission to find
Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time, and on today's episode,
Speaker 2: we are covering a special special game, the twenty eleven
Speaker 2: AFC Championship between the Ravens and Patriots, with three times
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, former defensive end offensive coordinator, an actual
Speaker 2: rocket scientist, Matt Patricia Matt e p and we get
Speaker 2: into talking about everything, the time he almost killed Gronk.
Speaker 1: He takes off it starts to run, and I take
Speaker 1: the garbage can and I throw it behind me, and
Speaker 1: all I hear is oh. And I turn around. He's
Speaker 1: on the ground and he's laying there and he's not
Speaker 1: moving this Friday before game.
Speaker 2: We get into the time he got Belichick's trust, you know,
Speaker 2: Matt's side of the Malcolm Butler interception, the call for
Speaker 2: high tower stripsack in twenty eight to three, the rival
Speaker 2: between the Ravens, and what it's like in Patriots coaching meetings,
Speaker 2: and when Matty pew We're gonna win. Like we get
Speaker 2: into everything, Okay, Then we wrap up the show by
Speaker 2: bringing you the Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. How
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Speaker 2: so buckle it up. This is a long one. Let's go.
Speaker 2: Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. January twenty second,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Jellette Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: Baltimore lines up the game tying chip shot with a
Speaker 1: trip to the super Bowl on the line.
Speaker 2: Looks like we're heading into over today. Missed it? Why left?
Speaker 2: Why left? This is the twenty championship game. Welcome to
Speaker 2: Games with Names, and today we have a freaking, really
Speaker 2: special episode. We get to go in the nitty gritty
Speaker 2: of the twenty eleven AFC Championship between the Ravens and
Speaker 2: the Patriots with one of the guys that had to
Speaker 2: orchestrate a defense this year, with guys off the street
Speaker 2: putting receivers there in the slot, one and only, Matthew Patricia.
Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names.
Speaker 1: Man at Thanks, I appreciate you having me. It's great
Speaker 1: to be here.
Speaker 2: We were so excited to have you because we've had
Speaker 2: all these Patriot coaches on but it's been all offense,
Speaker 2: and we know what really wins the game. Defense wins championships.
Speaker 2: Offense just sells tickets. But in one sentence, Why did
Speaker 2: you pick this game?
Speaker 1: I was waiting since two thousand and four when I
Speaker 1: got to know Ang. I think one of the coolest
Speaker 1: things that I saw that year was Troy Brown played
Speaker 1: defense and I was like, that is cannot wait to
Speaker 1: do that again. And so we waited and then eventually
Speaker 1: you came. And when you showed up, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the guy. That's the guy we're going to get
Speaker 1: to play defense, and it finally happened in the AFC
Speaker 1: Championship game. So this one to me because of you, Miracraft,
Speaker 1: that year was really special to me, to the team, uh,
Speaker 1: to the Craft family. Uh, this is just one of
Speaker 1: those games and against one of the teams that we battled.
Speaker 1: I mean, we want to talk about battle. This was
Speaker 1: a war with these guys when we played them. It
Speaker 1: was physical, it was tough, and we had to have
Speaker 1: tough guys on the field, and we had some injuries
Speaker 1: on defense that year and you were a tough guy.
Speaker 2: And we'll jump into it, but is this the greatest
Speaker 2: game of all time?
Speaker 1: Uh? The greatest game of all time? I saw the list.
Speaker 1: I mean again, there's some championship games that I think,
Speaker 1: are you know, obviously up there, but this is a
Speaker 1: special one.
Speaker 2: Of all time. Okay, special of all time. We like that.
Speaker 2: That's first time we were heard. It's not the greatest
Speaker 2: game of all time, but it's the world's specialist game
Speaker 2: of all time. I saw the specialists of all all
Speaker 2: games of all Maybe what's life looking like these days?
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: So back home? And my family took this year, took
Speaker 1: the year off, you know, just was I was in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia last year. That was great, great people down there,
Speaker 1: but my family was still in Massachusetts. I missed my kids.
Speaker 1: You know, my kids got big really fast. My oldest
Speaker 1: Dominic he came to visit me at Thanksgiving, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was about chess level. And then he came back
Speaker 1: for Christmas. He's thirteen, and he was looking at me,
Speaker 1: you know, damn near right, yeah, And I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is going really fast. You know me, you know
Speaker 1: how I worked like I worked life. Balance wasn't my
Speaker 1: my strong suit. So it just had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: be dad.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm do. You know, I tell this story.
Speaker 2: White people always, they always ask me, why do you
Speaker 2: why aren't you getting into coaching? And I always say,
Speaker 2: I did my time. Okay, I was in New England
Speaker 2: and I would leave the facility. I put my hours in,
Speaker 2: I put a fifteen fourteen hour day in, but I
Speaker 2: would leave. I say it all the time. I'd leave
Speaker 2: at seven o'clock and you see Matty P specifically b
Speaker 2: flowing all these guys talking to their kids, seeing their
Speaker 2: kids for the first time of the day, right before
Speaker 2: they had to go back in for night meetings with
Speaker 2: Bill right like, I ain't doing that. And Maddy P
Speaker 2: was one of the guys that was a cock guy.
Speaker 2: We like to call him a cot guy because you'd
Speaker 2: look into Matty PA's office and you'd see the fucking
Speaker 2: cop because he slept there all night. Now, what do
Speaker 2: you do in twenty four hours in the building? Explain
Speaker 2: this to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great question. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 1: of times at two o'clock in the morning, I'm like,
Speaker 1: holy cow, like is this even what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Just kind of how the day was, you know. I
Speaker 1: think my thing coaching and why I spent so many
Speaker 1: hours there is I was always paranoid that, you know,
Speaker 1: the next day would come and I wouldn't be prepared
Speaker 1: to give the players every bit of information they needed
Speaker 1: to be successful.
Speaker 2: In the game. You know, it just kept me up.
Speaker 1: And the thing about it is everyone calls it work,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't work as my passion. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: so like when you when you do something that you're
Speaker 1: that passionate about, time doesn't really matter, you know, just
Speaker 1: so you gotta get up at three thirty in the morning.
Speaker 1: You get up a three thirty morning, who cares? You
Speaker 1: gotta work till one work to one?
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm doing something that I know, I've
Speaker 1: got to have, you know, preparation, and I got to
Speaker 1: be prepared to give the players, give you guys the
Speaker 1: information so you can go do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Then I can stay up for days. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Now you're kind of like coaching Belichick because you got
Speaker 2: to get him prepared with all this stuff and stuff everything,
Speaker 2: because you're helping him out with all his podcasts. So
Speaker 2: does it keep you up at night to have him
Speaker 2: fully prepared for all these podcasts and media gigs that
Speaker 2: he does.
Speaker 1: I think I think Bill's doing just great.
Speaker 2: I means you're doing a great good great coach. We
Speaker 2: got a great coach.
Speaker 1: We got a great we're having We're having a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. We have our our podcast on YouTube coach, which.
Speaker 2: Killing I watch it. I watch it, dude, Well, I
Speaker 2: like appreciate that. Well, people don't realize I listened to
Speaker 2: this fucking guy. These guys speak for fifteen or for
Speaker 2: twelve years, and I was like in the front listen
Speaker 2: to everything. So it's kind of like I watch that,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's kind of like normal. Yeah, feel good.
Speaker 2: It feels feels comfort, It feels yeah. And I also
Speaker 2: I agree with a lot of how you guys, you know,
Speaker 2: it brushes up my knowledge and it because it makes
Speaker 2: me hit stories. When I hear you guys talking about
Speaker 2: stuff or how you guys break down a certain coverage
Speaker 2: or something, then it sparks something in my mind. Did
Speaker 2: that I can talk about.
Speaker 1: It's how we see the game, you know, So what
Speaker 1: happens I see the game?
Speaker 2: How you see the because that's where I went to school.
Speaker 2: That's what we did.
Speaker 1: We went to a doctor program about all the time,
Speaker 1: Like we went to a doctor program of football, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know twenty years you know at New England, Bill
Speaker 1: and I you know, Bill's like my closest friend, you know,
Speaker 1: he's he's we spent a lot of time every day together,
Speaker 1: more time than with our families. Last February, I was
Speaker 1: I was actually driving down to Philly and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: He's like, I got to go to New York. He's like,
Speaker 1: do you mind if ive, you know, jump in the
Speaker 1: car with you. And I was like, you know, we'll drive.
Speaker 1: So it was three hours he and I just in
Speaker 1: the car and we were just going, like we go,
Speaker 1: like we can you know the stories the we're talking
Speaker 1: about the rosters in the league right now, we're talking
Speaker 1: about coaches, coaching changes, we're talking about trees, we're talking
Speaker 1: about players, we're talking about past players. It was three
Speaker 1: hours of game plans and just all of it. And
Speaker 1: I'm pull into Manhattan and he's like, oh, that was great.
Speaker 1: And I was like, honestly, Bill, I was like, if
Speaker 1: we had filmed this whole thing for three hours, I'm like,
Speaker 1: everyone would have been amazing. Like it just and the
Speaker 1: idea hit me and I was like, I got hey,
Speaker 1: I got an idea. Like I'm gonna go write some stuff.
Speaker 1: I said.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna call you later, and I have
Speaker 2: an idea. He's all right, so I did.
Speaker 1: I just wrote the show, you know, I wrote the
Speaker 1: Coach Show and kind of a bunch of different ideas
Speaker 1: things that we could do. You know. It started off
Speaker 1: with a lot of Hey, let's go through a normal
Speaker 1: work week like we would and kind of give everyone
Speaker 1: behind the scenes look at kind of how we game plan,
Speaker 1: like how we prepare to Hey, maybe we'll look at
Speaker 1: some games, we'll talk about matchups, we'll talk about the players.
Speaker 1: Let's just teach some football. Let's just go teach football
Speaker 1: because that's what we love to do. And you know,
Speaker 1: we were talking and we were like, you know, here's
Speaker 1: term all the time, double mug. This was actually what's
Speaker 1: the conversations.
Speaker 2: Like what's double mug for kindergarteners? What is everybody like?
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: That's that's the big thing, Like everyone's like what exactly?
Speaker 1: We heard it all the time, but what exactly is
Speaker 1: double mug? So we just I was like, hey, why
Speaker 1: don't we just break it down?
Speaker 2: Six on the line? Why do they do it?
Speaker 1: You know, five on the line?
Speaker 2: What do those look like?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Seven up?
Speaker 1: And just so it's been fun, you know, we get
Speaker 1: up on the board. I give him to a couple
Speaker 1: of demos once in a while, which is good. He's like, fun, Hey,
Speaker 1: beat the crap out of me on the one ball
Speaker 1: security thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, you don't have to hit me.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's okay, and we get to tell some
Speaker 1: stories and my my favorite, one of my favorite ones
Speaker 1: obviously was you know, I got him to cut cut
Speaker 1: up film. I don't know if he saw that one,
Speaker 1: but like all the time I cut ups. Hey, we're
Speaker 1: gonna watch this cut up and we say all the time,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, where did that come from?
Speaker 1: And it actually they we used to physically cut the film,
Speaker 1: and you know, he just he just that's when you
Speaker 1: get you know, you pull Bill out and he becomes,
Speaker 1: you know, the guy we all know. It was awesome
Speaker 1: to watch him do all that stuff.
Speaker 2: So I think it's been great content, and it's been
Speaker 2: super fun of Lombardy in there as well, because he
Speaker 2: gives a whole other perspective and he's great at talking.
Speaker 2: If you want real content, this is what I think
Speaker 2: you need to do. This is what you do. You
Speaker 2: get fifteen to thirty of the worst fucking football plays
Speaker 2: of the week, and you sit there and low lights, lights,
Speaker 2: and you don't tell Bill there's a camera in there,
Speaker 2: and you just say it's me and you guys, and
Speaker 2: then you film it and then you have him discussed
Speaker 2: like what that is. And I think that would be
Speaker 2: just pure fucking gold.
Speaker 1: Yeah, low lights. When we would get those in the
Speaker 1: squad meeting, it was always going to be real interesting
Speaker 1: for sure. Look, that's the beauty of coaching and certainly
Speaker 1: the way that we were raised, you know, in New England,
Speaker 1: and we could certainly look at things we did well
Speaker 1: and learn from if we definitely learned from the things
Speaker 1: that we did not so well in those team meetings
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that's part of the game. It
Speaker 2: was part of the game. Now what in football right
Speaker 2: now or what organization are you looking at? Like, Man,
Speaker 2: they got a lot of shit dialed up right now.
Speaker 2: I like how they're coaching staff's doing. I like how
Speaker 2: their roster's built. Yeah, there's some deficiencies here, but I
Speaker 2: like their theme of style football. What are some of
Speaker 2: the organizations you like right now?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, just coming from Philly, I think you
Speaker 1: know this year they're just doing a great.
Speaker 2: Job, Like a fucking different I mean, Jesus, it's all right.
Speaker 1: I mean it's awesome though it's great in insane. I
Speaker 1: mean he does the reverse leap frog, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like sitting there with my son and I was like,
Speaker 1: you will never see that again. I was like, it
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing ever. You know, So you appreciate,
Speaker 1: as we know, you appreciate when you see greatness. And
Speaker 1: I just think from top down, how he nick they
Speaker 1: do a great job, Jeffrey Lorie of just bringing in
Speaker 1: really good football players, tough you know, tough team. Their
Speaker 1: offensive line. You know, I love offensive line. I love
Speaker 1: the play of the offensive line. And Jeff Stoutlin, who
Speaker 1: I coached with at Syracuse years ago, he's there. I
Speaker 1: think he's developed those guys. Just it's been remarkable to
Speaker 1: see how that offensive line's played without Jason Kelce the
Speaker 1: first year. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Now and now now, granted they have a generational talent
Speaker 2: running back right now, that makes a lot of people
Speaker 2: right yeah, but still they're they're beating fucking guys up. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're moving the move image, they're they're big, swallow up.
Speaker 2: They just cover you up.
Speaker 1: And with you know, a guy like Saquon doesn't take much.
Speaker 2: That Jalen Carter. He looks like he's in shape right now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so he is.
Speaker 1: Last year in practice, there was a practice he went out,
Speaker 1: we were in pads and he it was like one
Speaker 1: of those deals where he just destroyed practice. He was
Speaker 1: unblockable and you were like, wow, this is that's next
Speaker 1: level stuff. So you couldn't wait to see him come
Speaker 1: along from that standpoint. But I think, you know, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: we went to the super Bowl, like, and we know
Speaker 1: how hard that is, and we know how long the
Speaker 1: season is. You know, if you remember twenty fifteen, you know,
Speaker 1: the end of twenty fifteen, like we kind of hit
Speaker 1: a bad skid at the end before the season we
Speaker 1: lost I think five out of six or four out
Speaker 1: of six, like whatever it was. It was bad until
Speaker 1: we got to the playoffs and we pushed to the
Speaker 1: championship game.
Speaker 2: And that year in fifteen, the Soldier went down and
Speaker 2: ate Deon Lewis went down, I broke a foot yep like,
Speaker 2: so we didn't like we were we were blowing teams
Speaker 2: out that year. We were like, I thought that we
Speaker 2: were really good that year and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we you know, you lose.
Speaker 1: Guys so Philly last year, Yeah, same thing, same thing,
Speaker 1: but now come back a year later. They get a
Speaker 1: little bit more rest in the offseason last year. Now
Speaker 1: they come back a year later and the ruling just
Speaker 1: like we did in sixteen. So I see a lot
Speaker 1: of similarities with those that three year stretch and then
Speaker 1: you know kind of what they've been going through So Philly.
Speaker 1: You know, I like Buffalo right now. I mean obviously, Josh,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I'm always gonna look at the offenses
Speaker 1: of that will keep me up at night. You ask
Speaker 1: why I don't sleep well. You know, when you're playing
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning and Drew Brees like you know, I would
Speaker 1: obviously my beard was big and black at the time,
Speaker 1: and I would have these little white hairs. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: that's Peyton Manning. I'm like, this one's Drew Brees, like
Speaker 1: you know, because stay up a nico On, how are
Speaker 1: we going to disguise? I think there's so many quarterbacks
Speaker 1: right now, and Josh Allen and I think Buffalo's running
Speaker 1: the ball. They're doing the things they need to do
Speaker 1: to win. It's it's it's good.
Speaker 2: They're they're doing very, very good and I and I've
Speaker 2: been since I've started doing TV. I always said, can
Speaker 2: we get them a fucking run game and take the
Speaker 2: ball out of Josh's hand forty five times of the
Speaker 2: game and let him use his superpowers and situational plays?
Speaker 2: Can we fucking do that? That's what they've done. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The one thing that scares me with Buffalo.
Speaker 1: See if you get it right, what do you got?
Speaker 2: They're light there, their secondary is terrible, and they're light linebackers.
Speaker 2: They're light linebackers up front. They and I love Milano,
Speaker 2: but he's got a bice tenant and he's getting he
Speaker 2: can't get off the blockers, and I just I get
Speaker 2: so scared. They play that two show with the safeties
Speaker 2: in the run box, and I remember whenever we struggle
Speaker 2: with them, they were always light and you could run
Speaker 2: the ball down the field on them and you could
Speaker 2: control the game. And look at the teams that are
Speaker 2: in it right now.
Speaker 1: So if you sat in the meetings, it's like you're
Speaker 1: paid attention. You literally, it's like, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: this is what makes me the happiest when I hear
Speaker 1: you guys, you know Brew and everybody you know that
Speaker 1: does this now or even when we used to be
Speaker 1: in the Saturday night meal room, We'll be watching college football.
Speaker 1: You guys would be running through situations on the screen,
Speaker 1: and Bill and I would stand back and I would
Speaker 1: just smile because I'm like, they're listening. I'm like, they're listening,
Speaker 1: but they're you're You're exactly right with Buffalo.
Speaker 2: And why are they like?
Speaker 1: Because they play nickel defense, they play small. So the
Speaker 1: run control the game?
Speaker 2: Love it?
Speaker 1: Control the game? How do you control the game? Run
Speaker 1: the ball, stop the run, cover kicks.
Speaker 2: You know, and you nailed it, and you know, Josh,
Speaker 2: and then if you do that, I'll tell you a
Speaker 2: little template out here because we played Josh Bunch. Control
Speaker 2: the game. You run the ball, you have long drives.
Speaker 2: Then Josh gets a little antsy. If you're scoring points,
Speaker 2: you get a little antsy and they'll throw He'll give
Speaker 2: you three or four chances where you could pick them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's gonna because he's got that gun slinger. So
Speaker 1: that is the one thing Buffalo has scares this year.
Speaker 1: But that's what they've done this year.
Speaker 2: They haven't turned the ball over, that's exactly. And then
Speaker 2: another thing with this has been very remarkable to me,
Speaker 2: this was like.
Speaker 1: Three hours in the car with Bill. This is we
Speaker 1: could the way that we were all raised grab we
Speaker 1: could do this for.
Speaker 2: Um yeah hours. But with with Buffalo, you know, it's
Speaker 2: just scared. You know, it's been really great to see
Speaker 2: this because preseason we were all thinking, you know, this
Speaker 2: is a rebuild year, you know, and they didn't have
Speaker 2: the offensive weapons. But what they've done well as they've
Speaker 2: they've drafted that Shakiir guy is a difference maker. He's
Speaker 2: a safety blanket, little Beasley type that Alan loves to
Speaker 2: have in the middle of the field. Coleman's contested catch guy.
Speaker 2: He's made a couple of those, Samuel, he needs to
Speaker 2: make a couple more. But they got the two tight ends.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what else did they do?
Speaker 2: The tight ends? Yeah, ends, and then they running that
Speaker 2: bowl Cook So I like them too, And you're.
Speaker 1: Right because with the defensive side of it, new safeties,
Speaker 1: you know, they pieces I.
Speaker 2: Like, but he he plays too hard for his size.
Speaker 2: He knocks himself out. And could Buffalo actually win it
Speaker 2: this year? Though?
Speaker 1: I think that with Kansas City, you know again they're
Speaker 1: love Kings City, love Andy, love Mahomes love how they win.
Speaker 2: I still it's it's hard for me right now to
Speaker 2: bet against the Chiefs. Now. Everyone wants to say, oh
Speaker 2: they're they're not playing good. They're not. You look at
Speaker 2: them on third down, they dominate you. Look you look
Speaker 2: at them on God to have you to talk about
Speaker 2: this ship, I would love to. But they can win situationally,
Speaker 2: which scares me because if you look at all the
Speaker 2: other teams, Buffalo can do it. But Buffalo don't have
Speaker 2: Kansas City defense. They don't got that that defense when
Speaker 2: when you need a play, they can make a play.
Speaker 2: And Spag knows how to win these games. And I
Speaker 2: don't like. I don't like the plans of other offenses
Speaker 2: against Spags. So like that's why I think that Kansas
Speaker 2: It's the field needs to step their game up.
Speaker 1: Other than Kansas City does right now is five plus
Speaker 1: minute drives. They lead the league. So they are slowing
Speaker 1: the game down. They're not going to give the other
Speaker 1: offense as many possessions, and that's in third down, so
Speaker 1: third down conversion, slow the game down, hold the ball,
Speaker 1: situational football. Andy Mahomes fed on them and that's how
Speaker 1: they went.
Speaker 2: They may not have an explosive run game. But you
Speaker 2: know what they have. They have an effective run game.
Speaker 2: They get that three point eight yards every time. It
Speaker 2: may not be four, but they set themselves up in
Speaker 2: those third downs manageable. And then Kelsey gets to do
Speaker 2: his shit. Then they got a couple of those draw
Speaker 2: fucking draw after Friday practice plays that they fucking do
Speaker 2: in the red air like they do it, We've seen it.
Speaker 2: And then you got Mahomes, which is death. And when
Speaker 2: you have Mahomes, which has been the really craziest thing
Speaker 2: for me because it's in a testament to Andy Reid
Speaker 2: changing and evolving, because I remember specifically, anytime we played
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Andy Reid team coaching staff, Bill
Speaker 2: would always say, this guy does not want to run
Speaker 2: the ball. He wants to throw the ball. It's in
Speaker 2: his heart, he wants to throw the ball, which he's
Speaker 2: kind of changed Andy's and he's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Andy one hundred percent has died into the players he
Speaker 1: has and how to win in late you know, late
Speaker 1: part of the year, and we all know control in
Speaker 1: the game, and they do a great job of.
Speaker 2: It without a doubt, you know. And it's crazy how
Speaker 2: Shanahan came from that West Coast, but he instead of
Speaker 2: using those short passes, developed the run game. So he's
Speaker 2: taking those.
Speaker 1: Mike's a little different now. Mike Shanahan, he was at Oakland, okay,
Speaker 1: and then when he got let go from Oakland, he
Speaker 1: went to San Francisco, but George Seaffer was the head coach. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he went learned the West Coast in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: But all those other guys, remember home Gren, All those
Speaker 1: guys left going to Green Bay, so that whole tree
Speaker 1: had kind of gone over there. So he had the
Speaker 1: principles of the West Coast. But then he died into
Speaker 1: the run game. You know, his run game that he
Speaker 1: owned that he developed at Denver was that zone. But
Speaker 1: he had the change up a power run game. And
Speaker 1: and really but that's what Kyle runs. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean they that whole family, and Kyle's you know, Kyle's
Speaker 1: evolved too, his own his own sense. But you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan will never forget two thousand and six we
Speaker 1: played Okay, see if you remember this one, I know
Speaker 1: you weren't there yet. Two thousand and six we played
Speaker 1: in what was called the China Bowl.
Speaker 2: Look this way, I remember hearing about so we had
Speaker 2: to go to We were going to China.
Speaker 1: We were going to be the precursor for the Olympics.
Speaker 1: The Olympics were in two thousand and eight in China.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, we were supposed to go to
Speaker 1: China in the preseason. We're going to play Seattle. We're
Speaker 1: gonna fly to Seattle, play Seattle. We were both teams.
Speaker 1: Are gonna get on one plane fly to China, be
Speaker 1: the precursor for the Olympics. And uh so the year
Speaker 1: before that, in two thousand and six, we're playing Denver.
Speaker 1: We had the China Bowl. There's there's it's painted on
Speaker 1: the field, you know that, all of it. We had
Speaker 1: jerseys and Chinese business cards.
Speaker 2: It was crazy. We were going to China.
Speaker 1: So that game we played Denver, and I remember that
Speaker 1: game specifically because we're playing Mike Shanahan and we're ready
Speaker 1: for the zone team. We're ready for the zones. And
Speaker 1: so all week I've got Brew and Junior and my linebackers,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm telling him like, look, we're going
Speaker 1: to creep the line of scrimmage. You know, we used
Speaker 1: to play base defense. You know, three four, we're gonna
Speaker 1: move up to two and a half yards off the
Speaker 1: line because we got to go press these guards right now.
Speaker 1: We got to get them off of the defensive line.
Speaker 1: Vince and those guys tie and we got to get downhill. Well,
Speaker 1: Mike went to the whole power gap, you know, duo
Speaker 1: run game, and it was all down blocks.
Speaker 2: What is power gap? Duo? So all kind of the.
Speaker 1: Same deal, right, good, good question, good question the side.
Speaker 2: Of the boys if you're getting.
Speaker 1: In the same direction. Now we go to the gap,
Speaker 1: the duo or the power double teams everywhere, double teams
Speaker 1: all along. We're trying to move body.
Speaker 2: So we're two on one.
Speaker 1: It's six versus three hundred, Yeah, six hundred verse three
Speaker 1: moving the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 2: Love it.
Speaker 1: So instead of pressing the line of scrimmage, we actually
Speaker 1: linebacker wise, we got a stack. We got to get
Speaker 1: over the top, pull the double teams off. Well, Junior,
Speaker 1: you know who is kind of we were in the system.
Speaker 1: He's running through and so we got gashed run game.
Speaker 1: I mean I think we won, we gosh. And so
Speaker 1: now we got to go in Monday to Bill's office
Speaker 1: and we got to go through the tape and it
Speaker 1: was not pretty. It was not good we had.
Speaker 2: It was a very long meeting.
Speaker 1: I've got Junior say out Teddy, Bruce, Ki, myself, Bill
Speaker 1: killing us because we couldn't fit the runs power it's
Speaker 1: not zone. We practiced zone all week, you know, ready
Speaker 1: for the Shanahan stretch and uh. I remember just walking
Speaker 1: out and Junior looking at me. He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: been spoken to by a coach like that before.
Speaker 2: That was that was the craziest meeting.
Speaker 1: And Teddy's like, yeah, we just gotta get it right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it was just coaching. You know,
Speaker 1: it was nothing new, but that was like the eye
Speaker 1: opening moment I think for Junior, like Buddy, yeah, Buddy, Buddy,
Speaker 1: because Junior had two different buddies, right, it was Buddy
Speaker 1: and then Buddy Buddy depending if he new Year, if
Speaker 1: he didn't know you, yeah, yeah, the other a couple
Speaker 1: of different ones. But so that was the China Bowl.
Speaker 2: That was Mike Shannon.
Speaker 1: So we had the stretch, but they had the downhill
Speaker 1: run too.
Speaker 2: So Manny p walk us through how you got into coaching.
Speaker 2: You're from New York, New York guy Italiano like, how
Speaker 2: does an Italian rocket scientist get into coaching?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, So you know, quick version of my story.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking. So born and raised in Syracuse,
Speaker 1: New York, right in between Syracuse and Utica, and my
Speaker 1: mom is from Long Island's a little bit time down
Speaker 1: in Long Island and then up in Syracuse. Family, hardcore,
Speaker 1: hardcore Italian, you know it is where it is, Northeast,
Speaker 1: Northeast Italian. Played Division III college football once. I was
Speaker 1: a center and guard center, played tight end in the
Speaker 1: heavy packages in my young years in college. But uh,
Speaker 1: senior starting right guard and then played center when you
Speaker 1: was recruited as a center. So Division three is great
Speaker 1: because it's everyone's five ten or six foot and just
Speaker 1: whether you weigh one seventy or three hundred, you know,
Speaker 1: that's it. But everybody's the same height and it's just
Speaker 1: depending on how.
Speaker 2: Much you weigh.
Speaker 1: So we were Actually I went to a school called
Speaker 1: RPI rinse Leer Engineers in school. Yeah, I wanted to
Speaker 1: be you know, originally kind of grown up.
Speaker 2: I want, you know, like so the mascots and an engineer.
Speaker 1: It was an engineer. It actually was not like train
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, like engineer, Like, it
Speaker 1: wasn't a pocket it wasn't even like a pocket protector.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the hell it was. It
Speaker 2: was just wow, I guess, uh, what's on the side
Speaker 2: of the helmet?
Speaker 1: Uh, your number for a couple of years or an R.
Speaker 1: It was just keep it simple.
Speaker 2: I would put like the I would put like dag
Speaker 2: room theory. Yeah, actually, you.
Speaker 1: Know what the best one was, we really you know,
Speaker 1: f equals force equals mass times acceleration, because that's what
Speaker 1: we were doing.
Speaker 2: That's exact, that's exactly what we're doing.
Speaker 1: That would be would be a good one. Yeah, great engineering.
Speaker 1: So you know, I wanted to play in the NFL
Speaker 1: and do all that stuff, right, and then my dad
Speaker 1: quickly sent me down and said, listen, you're Italian. You're
Speaker 1: gonna be about five to ten. You know, you're not athletic.
Speaker 1: So the NFL thing is cool, but you're not going
Speaker 1: to play.
Speaker 2: So what what else?
Speaker 1: I was a child of the eighties, fell in love
Speaker 1: with top gun, wanted to be a military pilot, Like
Speaker 1: I was all in, Like, you know, it's that's what
Speaker 1: I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Love love planes. Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking about going to Annapolis West Point, the fly do
Speaker 1: all that in the academies, you know, start junior or whatever.
Speaker 1: We had pretty good high school team, so we're in
Speaker 1: the championship game. So you start getting recruited, you know,
Speaker 1: like everybody else.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Even though it Division three, you're still getting recruited. You
Speaker 1: can get money and go to good schools that maybe
Speaker 1: you couldn't get into if he didn't have sports, you know.
Speaker 1: So RPI, I knew of my uncle had gone there.
Speaker 1: He was a really successful engineer, had a great ROTC
Speaker 1: program at our RPI. So I wanted to play football
Speaker 1: in college, and I just decided to go there as
Speaker 1: an aeronautical engineer. Looked at what was called PLC, which
Speaker 1: is platoon leadership for the Marine Corps at the time,
Speaker 1: which they were looking for pilots, and kind of that
Speaker 1: was gonna be my route. That's where I was going.
Speaker 1: So design planes, fly him, all that deal, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe in the military after school. And I love football
Speaker 1: like all of us, you know, just love it, right,
Speaker 1: the smell all of it blew out my shoulder.
Speaker 2: My junior year.
Speaker 1: The Marine Corps PFT.
Speaker 2: Is pull ups.
Speaker 1: You can't do pull ups with his shoulder. Let's wrecked.
Speaker 1: Plus you know I'm five to ten away to seventy eight,
Speaker 1: So that's not a not a good look. Really hard
Speaker 1: to do, really hard to do pull ups. So luckily,
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of able to get out of
Speaker 1: those programs. And I just, you know, rehab got ready
Speaker 1: for my senior year. Played my senior year. We had
Speaker 1: a really good team, graduated, and was going to go
Speaker 1: back to school for my NBA so engineering Aeronautical engineering,
Speaker 1: NBA kind of that route.
Speaker 2: And so I ga'ed, So you want to design airplanes
Speaker 2: to sell them?
Speaker 1: I mean, just put it all together, right, you know,
Speaker 1: just capitalize it and go. So, uh, I went back
Speaker 1: gaid coached coaching offensive line. I played offensive line, and
Speaker 1: you know, I remember just the first like half of
Speaker 1: the year going you just you miss it. You know,
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I could still do this, like I
Speaker 1: could still play, like you know, you're just you're kind
Speaker 1: of like it's hard when the game's done. Like game's done,
Speaker 1: it's done. It's like you're not putting the pads on,
Speaker 1: we're not going out back in the backyard and you know,
Speaker 1: playing the game. So but I remember, you know, it
Speaker 1: was coaching offensive line. His kid, Jimmy Shirtzer, remember his
Speaker 1: name was right guard. He was a sophomore and we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to play coast guard academy. And I just
Speaker 1: remember teaching him like, hey, look this is what gonna
Speaker 1: happen on the goal line. They're gonna do this, make
Speaker 1: this block, We're gonna score. It's gonna be really good.
Speaker 1: And it happened in the game and we scored. And
Speaker 1: the joy that I saw on his face by doing
Speaker 1: something and achieving it just like flipped it flipped everything
Speaker 1: for me. And I was like, that's the greatest thing
Speaker 1: I've ever seen to watch somebody actually be able to
Speaker 1: do what they work so hard to do, apply it
Speaker 1: on the field, help a team win, and go that.
Speaker 1: I just I got hooked. Now, my dad was a
Speaker 1: he was a wrestling coach, you know, so I had
Speaker 1: me and it was a teacher my mom. My mom
Speaker 1: was a teacher also, so he'sing was definitely part of
Speaker 1: in my you know, in my blood. But I just
Speaker 1: I loved it, right, but I get, you know, I
Speaker 1: get done with that year, and my mom.
Speaker 2: Was kind of like, hey, that.
Speaker 1: Just got that's probably gonna Hey, you really well, you
Speaker 1: need to go use it because your dad and I
Speaker 1: are like getting ready to retire, you know.
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, yeah, you're done sixty five, You're you're.
Speaker 1: Eighteen year out. Let's go figure it out.
Speaker 2: So I did it?
Speaker 1: Is it is?
Speaker 2: I did?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I left. I got an engineering job. I did engineering
Speaker 1: for like two years. But it was the same thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was getting towards the fall, start to get fresh
Speaker 1: cut grass smell, and you start to just the sweat,
Speaker 1: the lot all of it, you know, all that stuff
Speaker 1: just hits you and you're like, man, I missed this
Speaker 1: a lot. So coach high school football, you know. And
Speaker 1: my my boss was great. He let me do that.
Speaker 1: And I was volunteering. I was actually living in Syracuse.
Speaker 1: I was volunteering at s U with the strength staff
Speaker 1: at the time. And I don't know, I just I
Speaker 1: didn't love my job at the time. My boss was great,
Speaker 1: people worked with were great. I missed football. I interviewed
Speaker 1: for a job with an electric boat. I had been
Speaker 1: talking to him for a couple of years. It was
Speaker 1: a I was offered a job as a nuclear maintenance
Speaker 1: engineer for all submarines and aircraft Carrieres and I say Navy, right,
Speaker 1: So a huge job, great job, unbelievable. You know summary,
Speaker 1: planes are planes are great, Subs are super cool, so
Speaker 1: you know, diving into how those are designed and put
Speaker 1: together and all that was amazing. So I get the job.
Speaker 1: I'm literally driving home from the job.
Speaker 2: Phone rings.
Speaker 1: It's one of my old college coaches. He was at
Speaker 1: Amherst College and Western mass He's like, hey, He's like, look,
Speaker 1: I got a D line job here, pays like five grand.
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you think? He's like, you want
Speaker 1: to get into coaching? And I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I just walked out of a building where they offered me.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're twenty nothing years old, right, I'd
Speaker 1: been doing an interesting for a couple of years. I
Speaker 1: had like a BMW a jeep and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm buying stuff like I don't know
Speaker 2: what to do, right, you just you buy stuff.
Speaker 1: So very good offer from that company, a good salary,
Speaker 1: all the rest of it, like five thousand dollars a
Speaker 1: year coaching job.
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, yep, I want it. Let
Speaker 2: me do it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it because if I don't do it
Speaker 1: now I'll never I'm never gonna do it. And if
Speaker 1: you're gonna bet on anyone, bet on yourself, right.
Speaker 2: So I called my mom.
Speaker 1: She's like, how to go. I was like, it's great,
Speaker 1: I got the job. She's like, that's awesome, that's amazing,
Speaker 1: Like how cool. I'm like, I'm not gonna take it.
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you talking about. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go coach football. She's like what. I
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, they're gonna pay me like five grand.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. I'm gonna go coach, you know,
Speaker 1: defensive line at Amage College. And she was like, what
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We just you know, you
Speaker 1: just graduated, got this. I said yeah. I said. If
Speaker 1: I don't do this now, I said, I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: do it. So quit everything. Moved to Amherst. I coached
Speaker 1: defensive line, was special teams, and I sold everything, you know,
Speaker 1: because I just can't live them five thousand dollars a year,
Speaker 1: you know, but you're saving everything can So I sold
Speaker 1: all my cars. I bought a bike bicycle, which is
Speaker 1: great around January when you're riding your bike to work
Speaker 1: up a hill, you know, at five o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1: Cars are whizzing by you. You're getting covered, and you're
Speaker 1: just thinking, like if I just swerve into the road
Speaker 1: and one of these dudes hits me, like all I
Speaker 1: want is to ride, like just give me. I don't
Speaker 1: even care, just just give me, Like I'm just just
Speaker 1: drive me off up the hill because this like I'm
Speaker 1: not a small dude. So like, you know, a mile
Speaker 1: up a hill on a bicycle in January is not fun,
Speaker 1: Like it's not fun at all. So yeah, yeah, coming
Speaker 1: down was good because you were coming down was good.
Speaker 2: We grew up in northern California, walked up hill both ways,
Speaker 2: snow uphill.
Speaker 4: Can I jump in here quick? I didn't realize you
Speaker 4: coached at amhers Can you speak a little bit about
Speaker 4: the Amherst Williams rivalry?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well absolutely, the little three right, and then Bill
Speaker 1: obviously went to Wesley and so that was another thing
Speaker 1: we talked about in the NESCAC. Huge rivalry the two schools.
Speaker 1: I think this I think the story was the president
Speaker 1: at Williams left. I think he took all the books
Speaker 1: out of the library went to Amherst, created this huge
Speaker 1: rivalry between the two teams. So I remember my first year,
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go, let's go be Union, and I
Speaker 1: was like, I was so like just in the like,
Speaker 1: this is my rival, it's a rival game. What's going
Speaker 1: I was like Union, Union, Union, and you can see
Speaker 1: all the guys like the fire what is there playing
Speaker 1: Williams coach Like. So we actually won and it was
Speaker 1: the first time we had beating them in like I
Speaker 1: don't even know how long, four or five years, so
Speaker 1: that was really cool. I actually want to finish in
Speaker 1: my master's at UMass. Mark Whipple was the head coach there.
Speaker 1: Don Brown was the defensive coordinator. They actually won the
Speaker 1: national championship around the same time. So I left Amherst.
Speaker 1: I went back to Syracuse. I was lucky enough coach
Speaker 1: Pascalon he was the head coach, went back there, and
Speaker 1: I coached at Syracuse George Leione and went back to offense.
Speaker 1: So played offense, coached offense, went to Amherst, coach defense,
Speaker 1: coach special teams, went back to Syracuse, coached offense, was
Speaker 1: the offensive line with coach de Leone.
Speaker 2: And really at that point, like you know, growing up
Speaker 2: in that.
Speaker 1: Area, for me, like that was it. There was no
Speaker 1: pro sports. You know, it was Syracuse football was Syracuse
Speaker 1: basketball back in the day in the old school Big East,
Speaker 1: like that was unbelievable, the rivalies, the Carrier Dome, and
Speaker 1: so going back to Syracuse for me was like amazing,
Speaker 1: you know, and great people, great coaches. You know, was
Speaker 1: there three years and coach p actually was gonna flip
Speaker 1: me over. I was going to go back to defense.
Speaker 1: I was going to coach linebackers there. And Brian Dabele calls.
Speaker 1: Brian and I had played against each other in college.
Speaker 1: He had went to U of R I was at
Speaker 1: RPI and he said, hey, He's like, we're they were
Speaker 1: in the middle of getting ready for the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: run and all the stuff and the point. So this
Speaker 1: is three three and he's like he's like hey, He's like, look,
Speaker 1: we're going to have an opening here. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: moving around, some people are moving around. He's like, you know,
Speaker 1: do you want you know, you want to come out
Speaker 1: an interview.
Speaker 2: I was like that.
Speaker 1: I hadn't even really thought about pro football at that point,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm like let me, you know,
Speaker 1: let me go check this out. You know. My draw
Speaker 1: out of the game originally was I felt, you know,
Speaker 1: probably the same in college as a college coach. My
Speaker 1: college coaches were incredibly influential in my life. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just felt college I could really really help, yeah, really
Speaker 1: help these you know help. I just wanted to help,
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to help kids and help
Speaker 1: them become you know, young adults, young men. So I
Speaker 1: thought college was it. So I go and interview and
Speaker 1: there was Syracuse guys at New England, you know, Ivan Fears,
Speaker 1: Syracuse guy, Mike Wosick was there.
Speaker 2: Guy.
Speaker 1: So I go in. I interviewed Dable obviously, Josh Charlie
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator. I was interviewing for offensive position
Speaker 1: with those guys helping Dante, you know, Scar, helping with
Speaker 1: the on line, because that's what I was doing at
Speaker 1: Cracuse three hours with Bill, you know, going back and
Speaker 1: forth playing the you know, football chess game, which he's
Speaker 1: very good at.
Speaker 2: But what is that? How does that? What is football?
Speaker 2: What do you Bill grilling young?
Speaker 1: He wanted to really figure out how did I think,
Speaker 1: how did that problem solve? And I think that's what
Speaker 1: he was looking for in the job, which you know
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job of, you know, And
Speaker 1: after that.
Speaker 2: They like what's a question?
Speaker 1: Like, uh, it's just stuff that's going to be really
Speaker 1: common to us.
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, you're sitting there, here we go, Okay, here
Speaker 2: we go. What are you going to call in a
Speaker 2: third and three situation? Your fucking head set goes out
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your middle line.
Speaker 1: Right now, thirteen years old watching the show, like, how
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: Is that a situation he's asking you?
Speaker 1: Or is it?
Speaker 2: Like we would we talked a lot about.
Speaker 1: We were definitely we were doing Pythagoram theorem, and now
Speaker 1: we were talking about, hey, here's a formation. This is
Speaker 1: what the defense did. Why do you think the defense
Speaker 1: did that? You know, things like which you would know
Speaker 1: is like a crunch call, right, so we could call
Speaker 1: cover two, but based on formation, you could bring the
Speaker 1: corner off the edge because it was a short side
Speaker 1: or nubside on the back side. And now it looks
Speaker 1: like a pressure. So a lot of people are gonna say, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they called a pressure here, but they didn't. It's just
Speaker 1: a formation adjustment to the defense. So nice split again,
Speaker 1: nicely split to the backside. So things like that of
Speaker 1: just trying to see like how did you see the game?
Speaker 1: How did you process, how do you problem solve? Of course,
Speaker 1: like you know, there's the grunt work that we have
Speaker 1: to do, the padding which is which was brutal. But
Speaker 1: you know all of us that went in there as
Speaker 1: young coaches, right, So the young guys that got there
Speaker 1: this you know, basically within a year or two of
Speaker 1: each other. Was Dable, Josh Casario, myself now again Dable
Speaker 1: and Josh started on defense. I started on offense. Cory
Speaker 1: Onnglin was on depress when I got and then we flipped.
Speaker 1: Everybody flipped. Dable came over, Josh came over. Well, I
Speaker 1: told I took flow from special teams. I had Brian Ferrence.
Speaker 1: He went to offense.
Speaker 2: He started with me.
Speaker 1: He was one of my QC's.
Speaker 2: It was my QC. Here was that when he started.
Speaker 1: He started on defense and then we switched before the
Speaker 1: season he went over all titands yep, but it was
Speaker 1: all we were just you know, learning the game. So
Speaker 1: get the job offered from New England and basically never
Speaker 1: left like that was it? Like I went to the interview,
Speaker 1: packed my car, ad a car. At that point I
Speaker 1: bought another car which was good, nice and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I went from five thousand a year too. I
Speaker 1: think Coach p paid me, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: If it was seventeen, it might have been seventeen.
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, I'm getting the cars right,
Speaker 1: this is you know you got, I can afford I
Speaker 1: can afford lunch. You know you do though, Like and coaches,
Speaker 1: you know, they're great. Older coaches would be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I need you to go get lunch. Here's you know,
Speaker 1: twenty bucks. Like here's twenty bucks, you know, go get
Speaker 1: a sandwich. And you'd come back and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: get the sandwich wherever you get to change. He's like,
Speaker 1: don't don't ever give me the change. And he was
Speaker 1: like okay, So like they would you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy used to do that to me. That's a
Speaker 2: rookie because I was a seventh rounder that except twenty bucks,
Speaker 2: it would be like an eight hundred dollars order, yeah,
Speaker 2: for fucking right before travel. But he give me the money.
Speaker 1: The travel cash was great travel. Cas know, if you
Speaker 1: were as you were a young co young player, you
Speaker 1: know you had the older.
Speaker 2: Guys per diem take this perdice yet, but our per diem.
Speaker 1: Was like the little lesson everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like thirty six bucks. I remember when
Speaker 2: I first got there was thirty six bucks. Do you
Speaker 2: know what we used to do with the pa diem?
Speaker 2: Were you there when? Yeah? The plane used to we'll
Speaker 2: be in the plane.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was As a young coach, I was like, please win, please,
Speaker 1: I need this. This is like the lights are being
Speaker 1: turned off so my apartment. If I don't win, the
Speaker 1: raft on the plane.
Speaker 2: So everyone would put there all their money and you'd
Speaker 2: get and you put your initial on it, and you
Speaker 2: put it in this bag and one of the stewardess
Speaker 2: she'd go out and she'd pull it out, or she'd
Speaker 2: pull out. The first one gets his money back, so
Speaker 2: the person would get the money back, and then the
Speaker 2: second one would take the whole bag. Oh you want
Speaker 2: to be second all day, all day? You ever win, listen,
Speaker 2: I would take it.
Speaker 1: I would take either one because I couldn't afford to
Speaker 1: lose the thirty six dollars.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was done, and you cannot put
Speaker 2: it in. By the time I got out of.
Speaker 1: About sixty four, Yeah, went up every a couple of
Speaker 1: years if I lost that per diem, Like I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna be able to leave the facility because gas had
Speaker 1: to stay in my car.
Speaker 2: I was leaving it. Coaches they got nothing. They were
Speaker 2: so broke, broke.
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever won.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: It's like the power even put mine in y P.
Speaker 2: I mean, so in the end you're like you won.
Speaker 1: Yeah. We were good.
Speaker 2: Even when I was older and I had money, I
Speaker 2: still didn't put it in. But yeah, so that was it.
Speaker 1: I got to New England and and just uh. I
Speaker 1: tried to learn as much as I could.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I was on offense obviously for two years with scar Uh.
Speaker 1: And then Bill came and he's like, hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: flip you over. You're in coaching linebackers side the ball.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, this is this is gonna
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Bill clearly did his homework on you though.
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, I did want to. He worked
Speaker 2: on submarines. I'm a navy guy. He's he's a smart guy.
Speaker 2: I'm a smart guy.
Speaker 1: So we had the Nescac little tree AMers William.
Speaker 2: Beginning last before we move on rocket science ship.
Speaker 1: All my friends are actually rocket scientists. Get so pissed.
Speaker 2: Why when people say that because like, bro, you didn't
Speaker 2: even do this, don't steal valor heuronautical engineering ship. How
Speaker 2: does rocket fuel burn in space without oxygen?
Speaker 1: Great? Great question, We're gonna cut this out of the
Speaker 1: entire episode. It doesn't it doesn't need oxygen.
Speaker 2: It doesn't need oxygen. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text somebody on that one, killing me right now?
Speaker 1: What about why are why are can we go through
Speaker 1: like lift theories of Lyft of like you know Colvis
Speaker 1: of Lyft on a plane, Like I actually was awake
Speaker 1: on something.
Speaker 2: You know, it was so funny. Listen, I played football too,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, what do we remember?
Speaker 1: Listen, here's the whole thing. I went to RPI, the
Speaker 1: valedictorian of my high school. She went to r P I.
Speaker 1: I sat right next to her, super smart. I was like,
Speaker 1: I need a lot of help here. Like we're you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of my football buddies are like passed out
Speaker 1: of there. They're taking like, you know, the my my
Speaker 1: electives in school. These were my electives. So like my
Speaker 1: main courses were like theory of flight, thermo dynamics one,
Speaker 1: thermo dynamics two, Egan values, eigenvalues, you know, mathematic, fluid mechanics,
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I was like, I need a I
Speaker 1: need like a can I get like an elective and not.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say easy, but I'm just dynamics one,
Speaker 1: Thermo dynamics two. I was like, I'm gonna take econ microeconomics, macronomics.
Speaker 2: Those are my classes. I was like, okay, I just
Speaker 2: need a couple of these, Like those are your electives?
Speaker 2: What was your course?
Speaker 1: Lad?
Speaker 4: At Kent State?
Speaker 2: I had African American Studies read Oh, I had a
Speaker 2: sex edge class I got. I did a sexual human
Speaker 2: sexuality class. It was awesome, nice, and then I had
Speaker 2: a lot of bunch of business classes. When we had
Speaker 2: Ernie on the show, we were like, oh wow, Ernie
Speaker 2: loves that old academic. Ernie's one of the great things Ernie.
Speaker 1: You know, Ernie obviously loves football like we do. So
Speaker 1: I go to dinner at her Ernie's one night, I
Speaker 1: go to see my wife and Ernie lives in an
Speaker 1: amazing cool old.
Speaker 2: House, years old parents living. Yeah, exactly, it's been in
Speaker 2: his family for.
Speaker 1: Built a library in the attic of this thing that
Speaker 1: is the coolest historical like playbooks, Like I was like, Ernie,
Speaker 1: let me learn about the flex defense. He's like, Boom,
Speaker 1: grabs the book, pulls it out. Here's the Dallas flex defense.
Speaker 1: You know, Randy White, the whole deal. And we're going
Speaker 1: like I was like hours up there. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me give me the whatever, orange crush, give me
Speaker 1: the purple people waters. And it's like we're pulling playbooks off.
Speaker 1: So that to me, I love Ernie, Like that was
Speaker 1: the best. Like and again I walked I walked by
Speaker 1: his office every day and I was like, Ernie, what
Speaker 1: are we talking about today, Let's learn, let's talk, let's
Speaker 1: We'd go back and forth and uh.
Speaker 2: What was the best Ernie nugget? Because I always ask
Speaker 2: because I was always I always used to use Ernie
Speaker 2: because like people were like scared of him, like what
Speaker 2: does this guy do? He's eating the tomato by himself,
Speaker 2: Like who is this guy? And I would go up,
Speaker 2: what's what's the give me a little something on the punter?
Speaker 2: What's good? He's like, well, you know he does this,
Speaker 2: it's gonna arrows.
Speaker 1: Like we're just so. My wife and I were going
Speaker 1: to Italy. We were going for three weeks and he
Speaker 1: he loves to travel Yeah, loves to travel and he's
Speaker 1: been everywhere, and so he got all excited to tell
Speaker 1: me about a race called the Palio in Siena. You
Speaker 1: look it up, bro, you gotta go. This is the
Speaker 1: most insane thing. We've been to a lot of insane things.
Speaker 1: This was insane. So it happens twice a year. I
Speaker 1: think it was in July.
Speaker 2: We're going to July.
Speaker 1: So he tells me he's all excited about the Polio.
Speaker 1: A whole different story. That was crazy. It's a horse race.
Speaker 1: It's literally, I would say a nice way because it's
Speaker 1: my people, but it's it's like the it's the village
Speaker 1: idiot on the village horse.
Speaker 2: I swear to you.
Speaker 1: It's like the most amazing thing. It's the most corrupt,
Speaker 1: I've sad video, unbelievable. And it's in the center piazza
Speaker 1: in Siena. But the pageantry, the the just all the
Speaker 1: villages come out to different sections. It's amazing. It's like majestic.
Speaker 1: And Ernie had he's the one that told me about this,
Speaker 1: and he had gone. So he had also told me
Speaker 1: that he Ernie loves lions like he loves line. So
Speaker 1: he told me so everywhere I went in Italy. You
Speaker 1: know there's like lionheads, you know, from the Roman days
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So my wife took pictures of
Speaker 1: all the lion heads and we made them a book,
Speaker 1: like a table book of all the lion heads in Italy.
Speaker 1: And he was like it was just you know, like
Speaker 1: you see that other side, like get him back. So
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2: So yeah, there it is. It's pobably, dude, we are.
Speaker 2: We are.
Speaker 1: So I'm in the middle, like see that craziness in
Speaker 1: the middle. So we get there and of course, like
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like see all the people
Speaker 1: sitting in the balcony, like all those people up there.
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm at the front desk in Siena. The
Speaker 1: resort was staying. I'm like, hey, can I get tickets?
Speaker 1: Like how do you like the And they called them
Speaker 1: like yeah, they're like two thousand whatever it was at
Speaker 1: the time, Like I ticket in somebody's living room like
Speaker 1: selling bucks. Like I'm like I don't think we're doing that.
Speaker 1: Sit in somebody's living room. They're like we can sit
Speaker 1: in the middle. It's free. And I was like okay,
Speaker 1: well free, okay, Like hey babe, come on we're going
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. So we see the horse
Speaker 1: with no rider. Bro, wait till I tell you this story.
Speaker 2: So this is the one we went to it.
Speaker 1: So I'm probably in this picture somewhere. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: you're gonna find me. So it is a one hundred
Speaker 1: and nine degrees. We're on cobblestone. Once you're in there,
Speaker 1: you cannot leave. They close you in there, so no
Speaker 1: bathroom eight hours. My wife's like, what are we doing right,
Speaker 1: you know, because it's.
Speaker 2: All real fun. It's all real fun when you go
Speaker 2: in there at like nine in the morning. But by
Speaker 2: five pm, she's like, what this is sandy.
Speaker 1: They'll say yeah, and you can't get drinks, like, you
Speaker 1: can't get anything, and everybody in there. What happened was
Speaker 1: because it was empty.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great.
Speaker 1: We were right by the finish line. We don't realize
Speaker 1: is that they parade everybody through all of the villages
Speaker 1: fill in their sections. So now you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of like crazy people that actually have a lot of
Speaker 1: money on these horses and they're betting and all the
Speaker 1: rest of this stuff. So it's three laps. So it
Speaker 1: takes off in the first last nuts and it's like sand.
Speaker 1: They put sand on cobblestone, so that's real good, right,
Speaker 1: And the horses are slipping. The horse with no rider,
Speaker 1: this dude comes around the corner and like launches his
Speaker 1: rider into the crowd. So people just get wiped out
Speaker 1: by the guy. The horse bangs into the side, so
Speaker 1: he starts running because he's just running.
Speaker 2: So he starts running with the rest of the horses.
Speaker 2: He gets lapped too, he stops.
Speaker 1: Now he's standing in perpendicular as the rest of the
Speaker 1: horses are coming out, like this is like bowling. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be amazing, right, So all the horses scattered.
Speaker 1: Dudes get thrown off. The guys are like trying to avoid.
Speaker 1: Now the horse starts running the opposite direction. So now
Speaker 1: here comes on the third lap, everybody's running. They're running
Speaker 1: at each other. I'm like, this is the most amazing
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. So now the two lead horses
Speaker 1: get around and I'm looking and the guy in the
Speaker 1: orange who won, he is whipping he and the guy
Speaker 1: in the red and black were the two. They're whipping
Speaker 1: each other's horses to try to like get him. Like
Speaker 1: they're not they're like hit it was the craziest. It
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I want to see this race in Louisiana. I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, Kentucky Derby take notes. That is so cool.
Speaker 2: So that was Ernie.
Speaker 1: Ernie gave me the polio.
Speaker 2: Freaking Ernie. When when Ernie so we had him out
Speaker 2: here before he came out, he he looked at my
Speaker 2: address and he read up on the development of where
Speaker 2: I live in Santa mon A, Hysteria in l A. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we took about the dinner. He's like, he's like
Speaker 2: wat yeah. It is like he's just so Ernie. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this guy is so crazy. Dude.
Speaker 5: Getting to share a beer with Ernie at Hillstone's bucket
Speaker 5: list item it was unreal.
Speaker 2: He ordered the ribs, ribs, let's go back to a round.
Speaker 1: Ernie falling down when we told the story, bro, he
Speaker 1: looked like I literally thought he was dead. And you know,
Speaker 1: like it was Thursday, right, so Thursday of Super Bowl
Speaker 1: week the families were coming in. So his wife was
Speaker 1: coming in and I remember I'm like, hey, Ernie, Ernie
Speaker 1: had to go stitches, like he split his head open.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's okay, you know, and it's like she
Speaker 1: just gets off a plaint. She's like what She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, trip fell backwards, split his side open.
Speaker 2: And it's all bandaged. Doesn't look good, but he's all right,
Speaker 2: have you got a concussion?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably, you know, but he he's on the product. But
Speaker 2: he coached her. There was nobody at the rest of
Speaker 2: practice that was going to go light because it was like,
Speaker 2: Ernie just got back out here.
Speaker 1: He put his hooto like, I think we can finish
Speaker 1: our profusely.
Speaker 2: It looked like it looked like carries carry his blood
Speaker 2: everywhere Ernie. And then then twenty five minutes later we're
Speaker 2: all we go through probably and then you see Ernie's
Speaker 2: coming out, stumbling out and got fucking it looks like
Speaker 2: a mummy. You get that turkey shatter transplant.
Speaker 1: Literally looked like the Revolutionary I was like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever
Speaker 1: seen right here.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to around January twenty second, twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: that's when the game took place, and we like to
Speaker 2: go and talk about what was going on outside.
Speaker 1: If you can put whatever you want as far as
Speaker 1: what was going on in the real world. I have
Speaker 1: no idea like I have.
Speaker 2: You could like contra band like Mark Wilberg, listen I.
Speaker 1: Like now currently my wife she calls me like in
Speaker 1: Sino man. She's like, I'm like, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to use the dishwash, Like I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do anything like that. If it's wasn't in that building,
Speaker 1: I'm out.
Speaker 2: You don't listen to music while you're game planning by
Speaker 2: yourself in the facility.
Speaker 1: Actually all used to be in the room. We would
Speaker 1: listen to music.
Speaker 2: Music. What was on the list? I mean for us,
Speaker 2: it would be probably a lot of Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Bon Jovi? Like the show Ship, I mean we love
Speaker 2: so Bill was out there bon Jovi.
Speaker 1: I'm a big Buffett guy, So Jimmy Buffett, that's the
Speaker 1: last mango that those are my guys. Jimmy was great.
Speaker 1: We played a lot of comedy too, like just stand
Speaker 1: up comedians just because you needed something going now. There
Speaker 1: was also a lot of comedy probably going on in
Speaker 1: the room. We would sit in the staff room late,
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was Bowyer and Flow and myself.
Speaker 2: Who had the ox cord, who was putting the music on.
Speaker 2: Who had the playlist?
Speaker 1: It probably changed, It probably changed. It would probably be
Speaker 1: then I'd be like, you know, flow, let's get some
Speaker 1: music or Lawyer's get some music on or whatever it was.
Speaker 1: Bed would come in or a lot of times, you know,
Speaker 1: would be fun in the fall too World Series, you know,
Speaker 1: some sort of championship game. So it would be late
Speaker 1: in October, you know, beat because he was hardcore and baseball.
Speaker 1: He'd be out there basically crying or screaming based on
Speaker 1: whichever way the game was going, which was awesome.
Speaker 2: The late Night's coaching.
Speaker 1: As much as it sucked being away from your family thing,
Speaker 1: it was fun because you're just hanging doing football.
Speaker 2: Who's some of your favorite Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker 1: I think there's like classics for me. You know, obviously
Speaker 1: you go back to like Robin Williams. I think Robin
Speaker 1: Williams at the met It was George Carlin at Carnegie Hall.
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy when he had the red suit on.
Speaker 2: That was delirious.
Speaker 1: Yep, that was a classic one. I got really into
Speaker 1: Sebastian men. But you know who the best guy that
Speaker 1: got me into all that stuff? Though you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to guess this one of my favorite all time people
Speaker 1: to be around.
Speaker 2: Is he a coach?
Speaker 1: You know, he was a special teams linebacker.
Speaker 2: Special teams Dane Fletcher.
Speaker 1: I loved Dane Fletchers talk to me the other day.
Speaker 1: I loved Dane same time Dane Fletcher and this guy.
Speaker 1: So we had tradition in the defensive room. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, so pizza Friday, pizza. So pizza Friday was
Speaker 1: a big thing. That was a big Dante thing when
Speaker 1: I was on offense. And Pizza Friday the whole idea
Speaker 1: and why Ted struggled with this, right, And remember Ted's
Speaker 1: first shout to tell the Ted story toist was he
Speaker 1: came in right. So that was our third that was
Speaker 1: our fourth. Right, So Joanne was first, then we had
Speaker 1: guy was there for like a cup of coffee, and
Speaker 1: then Joel took over for him and Ted right, So,
Speaker 1: but we always had Pizza Friday. And the idea with
Speaker 1: Pizza Friday was this, It wasn't about the pizza, It
Speaker 1: was about the mentality. Right. So when you were in
Speaker 1: school and you went to school, pizza on Friday, right, Well, okay,
Speaker 1: Friday's gonna be a good day because.
Speaker 2: You went in.
Speaker 1: It was actually it was the only meal that was
Speaker 1: actually only good meal of school meal that you actually
Speaker 1: buy and eat Pizza Friday. But the idea for us,
Speaker 1: and again this back in the day four got crazy,
Speaker 1: like it got crazy in New England, but literally because
Speaker 1: I had to do the practice schedules so I would.
Speaker 1: I remember, people were amazed I figured out how to
Speaker 1: paste like it was Dominoes and KFC, like that's what
Speaker 1: we had. It was Dominoes and KFC and PA some
Speaker 1: of the practice schedules, thank god.
Speaker 2: But it was all right.
Speaker 1: The work week is, we're coming to the end. It's
Speaker 1: all positive. Let's not be yelling and screaming today. Let's
Speaker 1: go out and have a good prem Let's feel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's feel. Let's have a good mental day. Like it's
Speaker 1: pizza Friday. Everybody'd be good. Now, Scar, if you remember,
Speaker 1: he'd like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. Don't make because Scar
Speaker 1: had the other side that could come out real quick,
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. I'm not
Speaker 1: yelling today, don't get me so. And the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball. Not only Pizza Friday, but we used
Speaker 1: to have videos on Friday. Ny videos.
Speaker 2: So originally started out as like highlights. We started off
Speaker 2: with like high school highlights.
Speaker 1: You know it'd be it'd be good because you had
Speaker 1: some legit dudes at a high school film and then
Speaker 1: you'd have like, you know whatever, Rob Ryan's highlight of
Speaker 1: his high so funny stuff. But then it turned into like, okay, hey,
Speaker 1: we need some comedy. And it was always usually the
Speaker 1: QC's job to get a tape and credit quality control,
Speaker 1: young coach, and it better be funny because these guys
Speaker 1: we've been yelling and screaming all week. We need something
Speaker 1: funny before we go on the field. And Vince was
Speaker 1: the best because Vince, we didn't leave. I love love Vince, right,
Speaker 1: so Vince wouldn't leave until we showed the video. Even
Speaker 1: though Scottio had a meeting coming in, Vince like it
Speaker 1: didn't matter, and like Vince wasn't leaving, the next meeting
Speaker 1: wasn't starting, and he wanted something funny. Well, Nico Kuda
Speaker 1: Viti's funny comes in and Nico is one of the funniest, best, great.
Speaker 2: Heart of human being, who is the what did they
Speaker 2: call it in the in the Italian world levantier or something.
Speaker 1: Okay, killing me right now?
Speaker 2: So you always calling levantier though, So Nico.
Speaker 1: Would bring in the videos and he like, did he
Speaker 1: take this was like the one like I don't think
Speaker 1: he knew any of the defensive assignments, but he nailed Friday.
Speaker 2: We would be laughing at the curb he had me,
Speaker 2: He had me dying. He loves because that's kind of
Speaker 2: Nico's humor too.
Speaker 1: Because you know, Chicago Italian stuff. Nico was great.
Speaker 2: But in the sports route of twenty eleven and twenty twelve,
Speaker 2: as a sports guy, you probably know that the Giants
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. That was a bad one. Rogers
Speaker 2: won in I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 1: You know what the Giants Super Bowl taught everybody if
Speaker 1: you're paying close attention situational football. What situation did I
Speaker 1: have to execute in that game to give us a chance?
Speaker 1: This was this was tough.
Speaker 2: Now, that was the situation. Rolex Rox Rolex, nice job,
Speaker 2: nice job.
Speaker 1: So you know what happened with that? So at the
Speaker 1: end of the Super Bowl, what happens is you know
Speaker 1: you got the.
Speaker 2: Coachha player points.
Speaker 1: Time is more important than points exactly, So within the
Speaker 1: two minutes or within three minutes at the end of
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, all the sideline media turns on, all
Speaker 1: the cameras, all this stuff, so everything turns on. The
Speaker 1: headsets went down, and there was no stopping at that point,
Speaker 1: and I just remember, you know, May and those guys
Speaker 1: on the field, it's they're going in and it was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is Rolex and I just hit
Speaker 1: him with the set. It was like, hit him with
Speaker 1: the signal. There's no time to talk about it. I'm
Speaker 1: not talking through the helmet. It was like the one
Speaker 1: signal and everybody knew what to do. It's a horrible game,
Speaker 1: but I'm reaching for anything positive there.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we made up for it. N C two
Speaker 2: A champion Alabama.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's easy because really I think there was
Speaker 1: a stretch in there where we just rotated every other year.
Speaker 2: Every other year he won or we won, and it
Speaker 2: was back and forth. I mean this was the second
Speaker 2: at Bama. Second. Yeah, you know coach saban at all?
Speaker 2: How was he?
Speaker 1: He's great. Meet him, He's actually great, and him and
Speaker 1: Bill together are great. Uh, Nick's knicks. Really, he's been
Speaker 1: really good to me, Like I was. I was a
Speaker 1: keynote speaker at their clinic one year. Yeah, when you know,
Speaker 1: I was coaching in Detroit, had a couple of coaches.
Speaker 1: He would call and we'd ask about guys. He always
Speaker 1: you know, it was Nick was amazing, you know, getting.
Speaker 2: Ready for the draft.
Speaker 1: It's obviously hard, right, so you're we're calling college coaches,
Speaker 1: we're obviously there. We'd go there and spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time there, and you know, you could call him
Speaker 1: like the day of the draft, day before the draft
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, all right, Nick, real quick, what
Speaker 1: do you think? And he would whatever he's doing, he
Speaker 1: would tell you he was really awesome. The thing, the
Speaker 1: funniest thing about Alabama was it was more like will
Speaker 1: you know muss Champ and like Kirby, who are the
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators there? And that was the defensive coordinat obviously
Speaker 1: in New England, And like all of a sudden, like
Speaker 1: Bill and Nick would get together and they'd have a
Speaker 1: conversation and all of a sudden, like Kirby called me
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, listen, what what is this
Speaker 1: defense you're running? Because like our two head guys got
Speaker 1: together and he's trying to like what you know, or
Speaker 1: Bill'll be like, hey, call will call Kirby. They've got this,
Speaker 1: you know, sonic boom whatever. He's like, we got to
Speaker 1: put that on, Like, could you just stop talking to
Speaker 1: because it was more work for us, you know, but
Speaker 1: so we so we the three of us kind of
Speaker 1: laugh all the time about that because you know, it's
Speaker 1: just that's all part of the tree. You know, we're
Speaker 1: on that tree.
Speaker 2: I'm such a nick Saban fan. I don't I think
Speaker 2: I were elbows just because of I think he was
Speaker 2: at a facility of one of our practices or something.
Speaker 2: Time he went to Kent State. Ye played at Kent State.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, but I've heard through their gate Brian.
Speaker 2: I could be completely wrong, but I heard he's our
Speaker 2: biggest booster. He gives our school the most money.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt that.
Speaker 2: You know. That's fucking cool. He sts a huge heart, Yeah,
Speaker 2: huge heart coaches. So I'm in Alabama. That's why I
Speaker 2: always root for Alabama. Well, nothingmore, but I was always
Speaker 2: saving Fanny's gold flash. We'll be right back after this
Speaker 2: quick break, Jackie. Let's break down this game. Let's start
Speaker 2: with the New England Patriots and set the stage, Bubbs.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's start with these with these Pats thirteen
Speaker 2: and three.
Speaker 5: This is of course head coach Bill Belichick. I Leo
Speaker 5: run the offense. Maddy p was the primary defensive play
Speaker 5: caller this year.
Speaker 2: Really great, that's great.
Speaker 1: Bill in the defensive coordinator since twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Primary defense college.
Speaker 1: I was the high I was the was a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: was the lowest paid outside line baer coachure what was
Speaker 1: in my contrac was like ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Did you ask him on the three hour car ride? Why?
Speaker 5: Why that?
Speaker 2: It was always the case?
Speaker 1: I mean, I know why we did it. As a
Speaker 1: young coordinator, Josh when he came over to offense. So
Speaker 1: I was on offense, right, Charlie Leaves, he goes Notre
Speaker 1: Dame Josh on offense, he's calling plays. You know myself
Speaker 1: on defense twenty ten when I started running the defense.
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien when he started running the offense. So the
Speaker 1: thing was his young coordinators in the league. Honestly, Bill
Speaker 1: was just trying to protect us. He was trying to
Speaker 1: protect us as play callers, to allow us to learn
Speaker 1: how to be a play caller, learn how to run
Speaker 1: those meetings, run the defense, run the offense without having
Speaker 1: the direct even though we did scrutiny of everybody else.
Speaker 2: It actually really I've always wondered that. So what happened was,
Speaker 2: you know, I was so.
Speaker 1: My first year is a play caller. So again, boy
Speaker 1: was was with me the whole run, you know. And
Speaker 1: in twenty ten ten I coached linebackers. I was coordinated
Speaker 1: the defense called the defense. Pat Graham was left, so
Speaker 1: I coached with that Blazzero damp Yeah. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: was a linebackers coach, you know, the coordinator, and Pat
Speaker 1: Graham was my QC.
Speaker 2: So defensive coordinator for the Raiders right now.
Speaker 1: So after one year, I said to Bill, because look,
Speaker 1: it was all about the way Josh and Brian and
Speaker 1: I were raised in the system was you know, Romeo
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator, Charlie was the offensive coordinator, and
Speaker 1: we were raised to develop our own That's the that's
Speaker 1: been the philosophy of New England, and that is what
Speaker 1: he wanted to do when he got there. And that
Speaker 1: was Charlie and Rack and the offensive coaches that were
Speaker 1: or the defensive coaches. They taught us how to be coaches.
Speaker 1: So you know, you q seed, you're a young coach
Speaker 1: and then you became a coach, you know, and that
Speaker 1: allowed to be able to coach the team. So the
Speaker 1: philosophy was, look, the coaches coach the players, you know,
Speaker 1: the coordinators coached the coaches, and the head coach coach
Speaker 1: the team.
Speaker 2: That's everybody.
Speaker 1: So that is that's how it worked. And so again
Speaker 1: we were trying to raise our own So after a
Speaker 1: year twenty ten past the QC, you know, Flow, who
Speaker 1: I knew was great coach, going to be a great coach,
Speaker 1: and he was in special teams and Flow again when
Speaker 1: I got their, Flow was on you know, he had
Speaker 1: gotten there too.
Speaker 2: He was the scouting department, you know, and then he
Speaker 2: came over.
Speaker 1: So I wanted Flow in defense, so I said, Bill,
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I go, let's move Josh. You know
Speaker 1: boyer he was going to coach corners, so let him
Speaker 1: coach corners. I'll coach the safeties. Let's make Pat the
Speaker 1: linebackers coach, and let's get Flow over here as the QC.
Speaker 1: So that was like the plan for that year, and
Speaker 1: it was good for me to get in the back
Speaker 1: end again. And that's you know, really what Bill did too.
Speaker 1: Build did this similar thing in his coaching career when
Speaker 1: he was coming up. He had hired a guy that
Speaker 1: was linebacker guy, so he moved from linebackers to safeties
Speaker 1: and coached the back end. So all of that was
Speaker 1: part of our training well, just because you got to
Speaker 1: learn all the coverages right and get all that married.
Speaker 1: And when you coach the linebackers, obviously you're coaching all
Speaker 1: of it. You know, you got to coach the fronts,
Speaker 1: the run fits, the coverage, all that stuff, but then
Speaker 1: to get into the intricacies of the coverage stuff and
Speaker 1: be able to develop those guys. And we were, you know, again,
Speaker 1: this was a transitional time for us defensively. The old
Speaker 1: heads had all retired and moved on.
Speaker 2: Thomas Sierra was gone. This was the start of the
Speaker 2: new I would say then, was like the start of
Speaker 2: the real news.
Speaker 1: We'd say, the the the area that was gone was
Speaker 1: more of like the Bruskies, the Rabels, the making and
Speaker 1: all those guys stage more like it was more like
Speaker 1: Mayo was our holdover. So I drafted him and that
Speaker 1: was eight you know, I told him, sit in the room,
Speaker 1: be quiet, just learn, you know which he was amazing
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, and so Mayo found Nikovic.
Speaker 1: He was the holdover and then the rest of it was,
Speaker 1: you know, we were piecemealing, you know, Pierre Woods, Eric
Speaker 1: Alexander who I heard from the other day, which was great,
Speaker 1: you know, yees, so cool, all those guys. So this
Speaker 1: was the point where okay, like I was starting to
Speaker 1: rebuild the secondary, drafted, Devin had Pat there were all
Speaker 1: the young guys that we were bringing in to try
Speaker 1: to get them rolling. So I moved the safest for
Speaker 1: the year. The next year, again, Flow is the QC
Speaker 1: I said about I said, look, just let me I'll
Speaker 1: just do coordinate the defense. So I don't care whatever
Speaker 1: title you want to get me out. I don't care
Speaker 1: about titles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll coordinate the defense.
Speaker 1: But let's move Flow the safeties. Let's start his progression
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and then we'll get the next QC.
Speaker 1: So it was always that was the idea was I
Speaker 1: was always trying to I'll move positions. I don't care
Speaker 1: because't what I'm doing is gonna change. But how do
Speaker 1: we keep moving the young guys up? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's what we did defense. And then eventually I
Speaker 1: got stev B and then Stevie you know, he was
Speaker 1: my QC and then you know, Mike and Brian and
Speaker 1: kind of just rolled through. I got bad who came
Speaker 1: in finally and was coaching the D line and stuff.
Speaker 2: So what did b d fucking have a great little
Speaker 2: thing going? Well, yeah, he went won three Super Bowls
Speaker 2: with us. Now he's with the Chiefs, won all those three. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well this fucking guy. So keep going on the team, Jackie. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Just to further contextualize this season, we're coming off the
Speaker 5: Can't Wait Game, the the work Round in twenty ten,
Speaker 5: Brady's coming off an MVP season. The season before this
Speaker 5: season was dedicated to Missus Graft. Of course, the patches
Speaker 5: on the Jerseys lost uncharacteristically lost back to back out
Speaker 5: of the bye week.
Speaker 2: And then rattled off eighth straight to finish regular season.
Speaker 2: Would we lose to there? It was the Giants and
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I remember that Steelers.
Speaker 1: Steelers is always like like the Ravens, Like those were
Speaker 1: the tough, physical These games.
Speaker 2: Were like they were old school football. They did what
Speaker 2: they did though you knew exactly what they were doing
Speaker 2: every time, and they still do what they do. They
Speaker 2: still do the same goddamn ship that when I was
Speaker 2: playing Tomlin's defense, Steelers football. I'm like, what the we
Speaker 2: still have linebackers covering the three slot every time we
Speaker 2: play the Steelers, I have at least nine catches. Do
Speaker 2: you think that they would change it? Right?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But they do what they do. They got six coach, Like,
Speaker 2: how do you get away with it for that long?
Speaker 2: Like just doing what you do and being yeah, like
Speaker 2: you know, they believe, but they also they play the
Speaker 2: game and they coach it up. Well, yeah, they're fucking
Speaker 2: they're all coached.
Speaker 1: They don't make a lot of mistakes. And again, what
Speaker 1: do we because I heard you say this, heard you again?
Speaker 2: Do more research? Right, more games in the NFL or
Speaker 2: what they're lost than one. So if they're they.
Speaker 1: Don't make mistakes, they don't lose a lot of games.
Speaker 2: They don't and they still don't lose them.
Speaker 1: And then we beat them in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Sorry, And some notable rookies on this team.
Speaker 5: We got Veren Ridley, Solder, Marcus Cannon, Uh, Josh was
Speaker 5: brought back for the playoff run to come in, Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 2: That is come into a little offensive words. Well, that's
Speaker 2: a big draft. That's a big draft.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that Benny Benny.
Speaker 2: Benny Ben Jarvis Green all a great, I have a
Speaker 2: great Ben Benny. The law firm. What do you got
Speaker 2: law firm?
Speaker 1: It's a it's a story that involves Junior Sale.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So we're getting beat up at linebacker. We have some
Speaker 1: injuries and uh, Bill says to me, he goes, he goes, Hey,
Speaker 1: he goes, where's Junior because he wasn't you know, he
Speaker 1: played for us, but he was.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: He's like, give him a call fin out. So, hey, June,
Speaker 1: I go, uh where are you?
Speaker 2: He's like Fiji. I was like the island.
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, surfing. I was like, okay, well Bill
Speaker 1: wants to bring in like we're, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: beat up, Like you are you ready to go or what?
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm ready. I was like all right, well,
Speaker 1: how fast can you get here? He's like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'll get there as soon as I can.
Speaker 2: I was like great.
Speaker 1: So I go back to Bill and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: Junior's in Fiji surfing. I was like, like, Fiji's like
Speaker 1: that's far far. And he's like oh, He's like when
Speaker 1: can you get here? I'm like he's trying to get
Speaker 1: your smooth. We're playing Seattle in Seattle. So I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like he you know, he can get back to
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I'm like, he just meet us in Seattle.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he's got to come back. He's got
Speaker 1: to take a physical before he ssund the country. I'm like,
Speaker 1: we're going to find him all the way. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta flyway.
Speaker 2: He I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: So I called you and I was like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta fly all the way to Boston, like you
Speaker 1: got to get So I think he was getting into
Speaker 1: Boston on like Thursday, like I called him on Monday.
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta fly and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: get on and plane. We're gona fly all the way
Speaker 1: back to Seatt Like this is gonna be awesome. So
Speaker 1: Junior June bugs great. Right, So June Junior flies in.
Speaker 1: You know, does physical Juniors like unbelievable human specimen. He's
Speaker 1: always in shape, doesn't matter like, you know, So he's
Speaker 1: great past physical, get on playing fly Seattle. He's like
Speaker 1: he's like, buddy, what's the plan? And I'm like, you're
Speaker 1: not playing, but you know, we want you to get
Speaker 1: around team to play next week, gets you in shape,
Speaker 1: make sure you're ready to go, all that stuff. He's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm like, you're actually probably gonna be active
Speaker 1: for the game because everybody's hurt. He's I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not playing you. He's like, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: no problem. So we getting into the game. I think
Speaker 1: it was, Uh, I have to ask Brew on this one.
Speaker 1: So I think it was Gary Geydon, right, Gary. So
Speaker 1: Gary's another one of my linebackers that you know, I
Speaker 1: kind of had.
Speaker 2: Georgia tech right quick. Fact, Gary Geiden set it up
Speaker 2: Slater with his wife Gary Nice. Garry's great.
Speaker 1: So Gary and Gerard were like that was Batman and
Speaker 1: Rob That's what they were for me. Right. So Gary,
Speaker 1: I think takes out Brew. We're playing, we're in the game,
Speaker 1: like hits him, like you know, so now Bruce Key's yeah,
Speaker 1: friendly fire. So now Teddy's down. So Teddy's the game.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, uh, Junior, you gotta win. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm like we're out of body, so I'm like, you
Speaker 1: gotta go. So put Junior out there right before the
Speaker 1: half throws like a little route. Now Deon branch is
Speaker 1: on Seattle. Yeah, so this is you know, Deon obviously
Speaker 1: played for US. I love Deon, but so now he's
Speaker 1: in Seattle. So Deon catches like a check out. He
Speaker 1: goes for like sixty some yards. We missed tackle. We
Speaker 1: have like eleven missed tackles on the play. I think, like,
Speaker 1: I think everyone missed him like seven times. Junior missed
Speaker 1: him like five. Like, Junior misses him so bad. And
Speaker 1: when he comes, he goes blowing by me.
Speaker 2: I grabbed him. I literally throw him back. I'm like,
Speaker 2: go get on me. Still runs. I throw him back
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 1: He takes off. All right, So game's over. We're staying
Speaker 1: in California. It's back to back games. So he get
Speaker 1: in the meeting on Monday or whatever, and uh, we're
Speaker 1: getting ready to go over Wednesday. And Bill's like, uh,
Speaker 1: he goes, we were done practicing pass at this point
Speaker 1: because it was late in the season. He goes, hey,
Speaker 1: he goes look, he goes, he missed you know, he
Speaker 1: missed Dion like four times. He's like he's got it.
Speaker 1: He's got a practice tackling. I was like, okay, He's like,
Speaker 1: tell him bring his pads to practice. I was like what.
Speaker 2: He's like, how to get his pads, get his equipment,
Speaker 2: get out there for post practice. I was like sweet.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, Junior, I'm like, bring your pads
Speaker 1: to practice and he's like what. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you had some mistackles. I'm like, it wasn't wasn't good
Speaker 1: on tape. I'm like, you know, Bill wants to do
Speaker 1: some tackling after does he realize I'm like the NFL's
Speaker 1: all time leading tackler And I was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you'd have one more if you just tackled him before
Speaker 1: the half. So I'm like, get your pads on, let's go.
Speaker 1: We gotta go. So he's like, So he gets his
Speaker 1: pads and so I'm like practice rookie. I'm like, hey, Benny,
Speaker 1: I need I need your help. Post practice He's like, yeah, coach,
Speaker 1: what I mean Ben?
Speaker 2: I love Benny, Ben Jarvis Greenells.
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna do one on one tackling you
Speaker 1: and Junior sale like post practice he was like what
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it's gonna be great. So
Speaker 1: they're like ten yards apart, whistle and you know Bill's
Speaker 1: over there and so whistle goes and Junior's like, ooh,
Speaker 1: just drills him. And I was like, and I'm like
Speaker 1: looking at Benny. Benny gets up, Junior looks at me.
Speaker 1: He's like, we're going again, and I'm looking at I
Speaker 1: was like, so, I mean, it was like wow.
Speaker 2: And now Junior is now like, is that enough? You
Speaker 2: guys good if you see nothing.
Speaker 1: Benny's like helmet, I'm pretty sure his sideways like it's
Speaker 1: just one on one like blood sport.
Speaker 2: At this point, I'm like, I'm I'm looking at like
Speaker 2: we are we done here? Post practice, post pctice on
Speaker 2: the road surfing like a week earlier. I'm like, are
Speaker 2: we are we done here yet?
Speaker 1: Or what you know? So? Yeah, so we we did
Speaker 1: one on one.
Speaker 2: Tack on Benny. That's Benny. He man, he takes. That's
Speaker 2: a team guy right there. He didn't fumble. I never
Speaker 2: when we were doing the research for this game. To
Speaker 2: this point in his career, he never fumbled in high school,
Speaker 2: college or pros. Mister ball security, ball, security.
Speaker 1: Security, job, security, There's nothing more important than the ball.
Speaker 1: The other one says like, when you carry the ball,
Speaker 1: you carry carry fate of the entire organization in your hand.
Speaker 2: He said, not just the organization, the fucking region. This
Speaker 2: is a big region. Then he says, say less, I
Speaker 2: got you, Ben, He says, say less.
Speaker 5: And since we got Maddy p here and we're we're
Speaker 5: talking about this team, we gotta give a little shine
Speaker 5: to some of these defensive guys. Andre Carter into the
Speaker 5: season injured but had ten sacks. Thenco six and a
Speaker 5: half seconds.
Speaker 2: Great. Andre Carter played my brother in championship at CCS
Speaker 2: in high school. Really yeah, I went. I remember going
Speaker 2: and seeing them at San Jose State. My brother played
Speaker 2: for Saint Francis and he went to Grove and my
Speaker 2: brother's team beat him. My brother's team in high school,
Speaker 2: Saint Francis was like they won like CCS five years, seven,
Speaker 2: eight years in a row. They were fucking You share
Speaker 2: one thing about Andre Carter that you remember.
Speaker 1: What's the first thing that comes.
Speaker 2: Your big hands vice grips. Can you shake his hand?
Speaker 2: You you literally risking breaking a finger. It was like
Speaker 2: wrap around your forearm.
Speaker 1: It was just it just I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: really want to shag.
Speaker 2: Head like kung Fu Grip kung Fu Carter Gee.
Speaker 1: Money, Vince Kyle Love, Kyle Love's a great story. So, Kyle,
Speaker 1: do you know where I found Kyle Love? That's how
Speaker 1: I found Kyle Love.
Speaker 2: So I do I do?
Speaker 1: I have to go to the University of Florida two
Speaker 1: years before this and I do a huge you know,
Speaker 1: Bill sends me down. I do a huge workout because
Speaker 1: that team was loaded.
Speaker 2: Team had half the team.
Speaker 1: But the game that we watched, yeah, the game we
Speaker 1: watched was it was Florida versus Alabama. There was more
Speaker 1: NFL football players in that one game than you could
Speaker 1: watch the twenty other schools getting ready for the draft.
Speaker 1: So I go to Florida. I do a three hour
Speaker 1: workout with all the offensive guys and we're in the
Speaker 1: swamp and then I took a break and then had
Speaker 1: another three hour workout with all the defensive guys. So
Speaker 1: I literally worked out like fifteen eighteen dudes that were
Speaker 1: coming out. And so I meet with the pouncies. In
Speaker 1: the meeting, we're going through protection. I said, all right,
Speaker 1: who's who's the hardest guy you had to block this year?
Speaker 1: And they're like Kyle Love. And I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even have Kyle, Like I don't even.
Speaker 2: Have them on my notes.
Speaker 1: Who is Kyle love, and so that's how we found
Speaker 1: out about the penalty us. That was one of the
Speaker 1: hardest guys that had to block that year, and that's
Speaker 1: that's why we got them.
Speaker 2: They wouldn't they would know those are guys were That's
Speaker 2: how it worked with a.
Speaker 1: Lot of players. Like I mean, we'll get to your story,
Speaker 1: but like I mean, the Ohio State game, we don't
Speaker 1: think we all watched that one hundred times.
Speaker 2: You played them tough. I was hurt.
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's why we watched. What kind of guys we're
Speaker 1: looking for, Yeah, tough guys.
Speaker 4: Can you speak a little bit about the recruiting process
Speaker 4: or the scouting process of Julian We.
Speaker 1: Would pick really late in the draft, luckily very fortunate,
Speaker 1: very blessed, but really make it at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round, like you're really talking about second rounders
Speaker 1: and it just as it goes down the draft.
Speaker 2: It's like that.
Speaker 1: So we would always try to find and still all
Speaker 1: through the years, who are the guys that we dig
Speaker 1: out that we can find that are going to make
Speaker 1: our team because they have the traites we're looking for
Speaker 1: that might not be on everybody's radar. Because that's when
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to try to get them. You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to try to find tough guys that
Speaker 1: we think can fill a role, can play make the
Speaker 1: team or what do we see their projection? What do
Speaker 1: we see them developing into? From that standpoint, And that
Speaker 1: was Julian through and through, tough as nails. Just you
Speaker 1: went in a category of just a ballplayer, you know,
Speaker 1: like Scar would say, ball playing Jesse.
Speaker 2: Ball playing Jesse, Yeah, that would be Julie. So it
Speaker 2: was like, what exactly he's gonna play quarterback for us?
Speaker 1: Probably not?
Speaker 2: Probably not, but can we.
Speaker 1: Find a way? Right, Okay, so exactly so, but can
Speaker 1: we find a way for him thee on field? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be tough, he's gonna be reliable, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be available. And we were always looking for special teams,
Speaker 1: you know, who are the guys that could help us
Speaker 1: be dynamic? And I think you came in did all
Speaker 1: those things. You mentally worked through some catch things right
Speaker 1: because that was real, and got to the points where
Speaker 1: you became sure handed, you became trusted, You learned the
Speaker 1: game the way that we I don't want to say
Speaker 1: wanted you to, but the way that we played. You know,
Speaker 1: you were smart, and we just love those guys like
Speaker 1: those are our guys, Like those are our type of guys.
Speaker 1: So we would watch the Ohio State game. We were injured,
Speaker 1: but you were tough, you were out there, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: You had some games were lighting it up Iowa State,
Speaker 2: but those games like okay, but those those schools for
Speaker 2: our school it was, but Ohio State.
Speaker 1: We're looking at those guys saying, well, you know, this
Speaker 1: guy's fighting his ass off against this team. Like okay,
Speaker 1: if you're on the other side of it, everyone's saying, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course he's an NFL guy. Well why is that
Speaker 1: not an NFL guy like you're seeing against the competition.
Speaker 2: You want to see, now, how did he when we're
Speaker 2: hiring guys off the street middle of the season for
Speaker 2: DB's because we were baying, okay, here we go. Yep,
Speaker 2: who the FU asked who brought up to put me
Speaker 2: on that? I remember Josh Boy told boy go get him,
Speaker 2: go get him and bring him in. Boy or literally
Speaker 2: came up to get in the fucking locker room and said, Yo,
Speaker 2: you're on a Wednesday. Yeah go get It wasn't even
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday.
Speaker 1: No, no, he's said, hey, a conversation on Tuesday, but
Speaker 1: it wasn't because one of the reasons I love this
Speaker 1: game Myra honoring her this year playing you know Baltimore.
Speaker 1: The way we won or they lost. However, I look
Speaker 1: at because I think I think Myra pushed the ball.
Speaker 1: I think she pushed it out of the goal post
Speaker 1: because that guy was really good. Really, but it was
Speaker 1: I told you my my infactuation of like when I
Speaker 1: got to New England, I thought that, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: says Syracuse Division one coach Pascoing is a great football coach.
Speaker 1: But just the way that we looked at the game
Speaker 1: at New England and I again, I remember Troy Brown played,
Speaker 1: you know, the star for us. He played, you know,
Speaker 1: he was one of our best. You got to pick
Speaker 1: against Drew. It was like first completion of the game
Speaker 1: was Detroit. It was like we got confused, but it
Speaker 1: was like he that whole what I saw us do
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. I was like, that is
Speaker 1: the coolest thing ever. I can't wait to do that.
Speaker 1: And then so as I'm taking over the defense, I
Speaker 1: would always look at the offensive guys going, okay, we
Speaker 1: get late because I knew you're gonna be at the game? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because you're always like, who's going to be
Speaker 1: at the game. That's what I need, you know, because
Speaker 1: once you get through those four set of guys roster management.
Speaker 1: So I was always looking at the offensive get.
Speaker 2: Forty what do you get forty eight on game day? Yeah?
Speaker 2: It was forty seven, sety.
Speaker 1: Seven on game day for three on the roster, And
Speaker 1: I was always looking at the offensive guys getting said
Speaker 1: who could play defense? Yeah, the offensive guys that can
Speaker 1: play defense. But once you were kind of on the team,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff that you went through, I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the guy that can do it. So I always
Speaker 1: had in my head I was like, at some point,
Speaker 1: he's going to play dB for us.
Speaker 2: Which is so crazy. For two reasons. I remember when
Speaker 2: I was getting worked out, Pittsburgh worked me out as
Speaker 2: a safety in a corner when I was coming out
Speaker 2: of Kent. And then the second thing, when you told
Speaker 2: me about the Troy Brown stuff, and like you said,
Speaker 2: oh that I finally got someone that I could do
Speaker 2: this with. When I first got afted to New England, Yeah,
Speaker 2: my agent Don Ye yeah, Don do Hunk goes to
Speaker 2: me and he goes, I have a vision you're the
Speaker 2: next Troy Brown. I just the team's gonna it's gonna
Speaker 2: be hard for them to cut you because you're gonna
Speaker 2: Because that was the thing going into this. They had
Speaker 2: seven receivers my rookie year. Eight receivers. They traded for
Speaker 2: a guy they had Randy Moss West. One of the
Speaker 2: guys was a special teams captain Sam Akin. So like
Speaker 2: the roster spot was like hard, you can't get that spot.
Speaker 2: But my agent was just always say it's gonna be
Speaker 2: hard for them to cut you because you could do
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot. It's crazy you said that. Fucking
Speaker 2: Don's a smart dude.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I just and Josh, you know,
Speaker 1: Josh Boyer, he was great at all that tiff too.
Speaker 1: So Josh was like, and I think he was on.
Speaker 1: He was in that same mentality Josh was and he
Speaker 1: saw the same thing. So you know it was Jules
Speaker 1: was gonna play defense. We were gonna, we were gonna
Speaker 1: go through it. You know, I remember Troy saying, I
Speaker 1: was like long time ago. I was like, Troy, how
Speaker 1: did you He's like, well, I know most of the routes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a run on these routes. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I know everything inside exceptually, Yeah, that's situation, So.
Speaker 1: You knew the same and then situational. You know what
Speaker 1: we wanted to defensively, and I knew you'd learn it
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time.
Speaker 2: So because I remember what I would do Bill, and
Speaker 2: you guys would always say, well, Bill, I would listen
Speaker 2: to the team meeting, yep, and Bill would always say,
Speaker 2: gotta have it situations, the third downs, the four point
Speaker 2: plays they throw got to have it routes to gotta
Speaker 2: have it players. Yeah, so if you fucking study the
Speaker 2: gotta have it route, give you the list on that
Speaker 2: straight third down, and then you study the got to
Speaker 2: have it player. Like, all I would do is just
Speaker 2: hold on for dear life for the first five yards
Speaker 2: because I knew guys hated it and they just play
Speaker 2: to your leverage. But in this fucking game, which I
Speaker 2: want to get into, we had, did we go over
Speaker 2: locking combo all fucking week?
Speaker 5: We did?
Speaker 2: And you see me making the fucking call and square
Speaker 2: it off. I I'm not calling no one out, but
Speaker 2: you gott anybody out? What are we doing? Maybe? And
Speaker 2: then they're calling me out on the TV. I remember
Speaker 2: watching it when I was so proud it was AFC Championship.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we got dumb ass, that'll be there.
Speaker 1: I obviously did not do a good enough job of
Speaker 1: coaching that.
Speaker 2: That's all right, I called it. I called it to
Speaker 2: him because the point was set. So what we're talking
Speaker 2: about is, and we'll get into in the game on
Speaker 2: a specific third down end cumbole and then late in
Speaker 2: the game he motions it. They have a bat, they
Speaker 2: have a bunch, And what our game plan for that
Speaker 2: week was we were gonna lock the point of the
Speaker 2: bunch and you combo the the other two guys, which
Speaker 2: means if this guy on the outside goes inside, I
Speaker 2: got whoever goes inside. H the other guy has whoever
Speaker 2: goes outside the other guy when it goes in, it
Speaker 2: was an instant check to the bunch. If it was
Speaker 2: a check, So you see me square it off because
Speaker 2: I'm I want square. So the guy runs into me
Speaker 2: so I could get a bum, can.
Speaker 1: Pull out the game plant the game plan.
Speaker 2: Well, I always loved you. Yeah, And then the other
Speaker 2: I came over and we fucking looked like the Keystone
Speaker 2: cops out here, and the guy runs free we almost
Speaker 2: lose the game because of it. So I'm sitting here
Speaker 2: thinking the whole time, fucking I lost the goddamn Super
Speaker 2: Bowl for us. So do you know, like in this
Speaker 2: get so up into this game.
Speaker 1: I think I think I had fifteen straight defensive three
Speaker 1: and out series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in this up.
Speaker 1: So I think the first two series of this game
Speaker 1: they went three and out. Maybe the third three series
Speaker 1: of yeah, first three, so so I think it was
Speaker 1: total fifteen straight. We're playing some good ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, third down, and that's when you give up a
Speaker 2: lot offensive guys on defense. La was playing safety.
Speaker 1: I was like, Slate, listen, I need you in the middlefield, bro,
Speaker 1: like just bro like I was. This was I could
Speaker 1: jump this in the back of the back end and
Speaker 1: this this was. This was intense trying to put this
Speaker 1: crew together.
Speaker 2: Very it was very intense.
Speaker 1: I tell you my favorite part of this game though, Yes,
Speaker 1: this is great. So you know I put the call
Speaker 1: in whatever Jewels is out there and in Gwin Bolden
Speaker 1: you remember me on it, Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking Julian Edelman. Throw me the goddamn ball.
Speaker 2: He was so mad, he was so mad, so mad.
Speaker 1: I laughed with him about that all the time.
Speaker 2: Hey, he was, he's like the ball he got me,
Speaker 2: he got me one time. But I was, I was.
Speaker 2: My strategy was, I wasn't going to cover you, No,
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna glove you up, but I was gonna
Speaker 2: be around to tackle you and make you. It'd be
Speaker 2: a contested style type catch, and I was gonna grab
Speaker 2: you and fucking try to cheat as far as I
Speaker 2: could and hate you. Yeah, how would you sell up
Speaker 2: this team? In just the twenty eleven team.
Speaker 1: I mean, gritty, gritty, gritty team tough, I mean obviously
Speaker 1: the next man up mentality. So but it was really
Speaker 1: just I think everyone capitalizing on their opportunities and just believing,
Speaker 1: like and again why I love this game this year
Speaker 1: with my Ra, like we were really trying to do
Speaker 1: every thing we could honor her without her memory. And
Speaker 1: I think that every week we knew like, hey, like
Speaker 1: let's just everybody give their best and go out there.
Speaker 1: And we had a good, good bunch of young guys
Speaker 1: that we knew were going to be great players, you know,
Speaker 1: on the team. So it was fun to watch them develop.
Speaker 1: And then some guys that had been there for a
Speaker 1: little while and just I just this was just a tough,
Speaker 1: gritty willing themselves almost to win. You know, there's so
Speaker 1: many guys in the team and people like who was
Speaker 1: that I forgot about that guy. I didn't realize that
Speaker 1: guy was there. I didn't realize that guy was there.
Speaker 1: And it was like we were to the super Bowl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: were the super Bowl? So like you want to like
Speaker 1: it was nobody can go to.
Speaker 2: But now you said fifteen straight three and ounce.
Speaker 1: I think it was fifteen straight something like that.
Speaker 2: What's the art of the DC? How do you what's
Speaker 2: your starting point of when you're preparing for a team.
Speaker 2: Are you looking at players plays or is it changed
Speaker 2: situationally for each team? Like how do you construct what
Speaker 2: you're going to plan for that week? Because you were
Speaker 2: a game planning coach angels every week? How do you
Speaker 2: break that in? What's the art of co d C?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it was interesting so being Annoy England.
Speaker 1: Obviously our fundamental background defensive philosophy right comes from the Giants,
Speaker 1: right nineteen eighties Bill at the Giants, those great defenses there,
Speaker 1: and then you got to really understand So I had
Speaker 1: I had two playbooks, right, we had our playbook and
Speaker 1: then I had the Bible, right, I called it the
Speaker 1: Bible because that was everything like that. I I was
Speaker 1: always keeping track of the history of where did all
Speaker 1: this stuff come from? Because I figured if you could
Speaker 1: understand where it came from, then we would know when
Speaker 1: to install older when to use it.
Speaker 2: So who made the Bible? So I did you know
Speaker 2: copy football beer? Does that make you a profit? Definitely?
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus, I am. I mean I was named,
Speaker 1: I am Matthew.
Speaker 2: He's one of the prophets. He's out of here.
Speaker 1: So so so yeah, so eighties, right, and then you
Speaker 1: have the influence of our defense from Saban, when Bill
Speaker 1: and Nicket together at Cleveland, and how it moors from
Speaker 1: cover two to cover three, a little bit of Cover
Speaker 1: five which was our two man Nick with Cover one four,
Speaker 1: and then so as.
Speaker 2: We get to New England loves it right.
Speaker 1: So as we get to New England, you know Romeo
Speaker 1: Rack is there early what that was Mangini and then
Speaker 1: Dean takes over and we go all in to Cover four,
Speaker 1: which was you know, that was his baby and that
Speaker 1: was great for all those years too. When Dean left,
Speaker 1: you know, Bill wanted to get back to some more
Speaker 1: traditional stuff. The game was changing at this point, right
Speaker 1: around this timeline, and I really think offensively, Bill had
Speaker 1: a great vision of where the game should go and
Speaker 1: it was getting away from the elevens into the mixed
Speaker 1: twelves personnel groups. But at this time, defensively, we had
Speaker 1: gone back to a lot of base cover two, cover three.
Speaker 1: We had young players playing zone. Because he had zone,
Speaker 1: you got more chances for turnovers. You can see the quarterback,
Speaker 1: you can see the throws. Good tack We're always good tacklers, right,
Speaker 1: good tackling defense. And so that's we had young guys.
Speaker 1: So that's what we were in this era. We had
Speaker 1: our man's for situational football because you got to play
Speaker 1: man in situational football, red area things like that. And
Speaker 1: then really as our team developed and we get into
Speaker 1: other games, you know when we get keep to leave,
Speaker 1: everything defensively changed changed. Everything changed. It keeps like one
Speaker 1: of my favorites ever right walks in and he's like
Speaker 1: Matty Pee, He's like, I got him. You figure out
Speaker 1: the rest of it. I'm like cool, Like you know,
Speaker 1: it was like, so we changed, we morphed. We would
Speaker 1: always morph the defense based on the talent. We had
Speaker 1: right at this time, we're also coming out of this
Speaker 1: is actually the last year of a lot of base defense.
Speaker 1: So then next year after this, because of our twelve packages,
Speaker 1: you know, I went into big nickel. This is where
Speaker 1: that's where Pat Chung really comes into. This is where
Speaker 1: Pat Chung saves us for a lot of years. No,
Speaker 1: he does not get enough credit for the evolution of
Speaker 1: what we went to and where we were for all
Speaker 1: those years. After defensively, Devin also gets moved from corner
Speaker 1: and move him to safety, you know after this because
Speaker 1: of where we were. You know, Dev's like rookie of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: And do you do that? Why do we change defense?
Speaker 2: Because because you're twelve personnel and so there's a lot
Speaker 2: of twelve personnel, which means there's two tight ends, but
Speaker 2: teams are still spreading people out, so the safety has
Speaker 2: to cover the tight end. Who's a better route runner
Speaker 2: these days? So Patrick Chung being the physical type player
Speaker 2: that could play decent against bigger or very good against
Speaker 2: bigger guys. So that's why Patrick Chung was so good
Speaker 2: because he was a covering safety. He wasn't a big safety,
Speaker 2: which now all the safeties looked like Patrick Chung. But
Speaker 2: at this time, you know, this is when safeties were
Speaker 2: fucking huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah still still big, still coming down there. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm just giving of the history. So defensively, our mentality
Speaker 1: in general was how do we fit the defensive structure
Speaker 1: to the so again, like people are are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're a base cover two coach, and I'm like, well
Speaker 1: I was when we needed to be, you know. But
Speaker 1: like you saw a playbook, like we had every coverage
Speaker 1: known to man in that thing, and then some we
Speaker 1: made up so or fronts and variations. So with that
Speaker 1: mentality the defense, that was just from mentality every week,
Speaker 1: what do we have to do? What do we have
Speaker 1: to play in order to win this game? Because that's
Speaker 1: all that really mattered. It was like, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: what we do, how do we just win this game?
Speaker 1: Complimentary football with the offense, with special teams with defense,
Speaker 1: and who are the players we have to do that?
Speaker 1: And so it was always evolving, always changing. But when
Speaker 1: you game plan an offense for for me, you know,
Speaker 1: started with the quarterback, how are we gonna make this guy?
Speaker 1: You know, how we're gonna play the game within the
Speaker 1: game against this guy? And then I went to the
Speaker 1: offensive line. You obviously identify who are the great players,
Speaker 1: who the go to guys you got to stop, you know,
Speaker 1: who's the ball going to and what situations, you know,
Speaker 1: make sure you got those guys handled, make sure you
Speaker 1: got him covered. But game planning affecting the quarterback was
Speaker 1: through the offensive line. How do we get pressure in
Speaker 1: his face? He's gonna step up? Is he gonna bail?
Speaker 2: Is he gonna move?
Speaker 1: Do we need to keep him in the pocket? Do
Speaker 1: we want him out of the pockets he scramblard? Does
Speaker 1: the extend all of those You got to answer all
Speaker 1: of those questions, you know, as you go through the
Speaker 1: game plan process, and then you know you got run game.
Speaker 1: You got all of that in there. What packages are
Speaker 1: gonna play? How are you gonna call the game? You know,
Speaker 1: So a lot of games I would have, you know,
Speaker 1: I had different call sheets. So I had the main,
Speaker 1: our main call sheet that everybody had, and then I
Speaker 1: would have adjustment call sheets, you know, and I either
Speaker 1: have them or you know, people ask me the time.
Speaker 1: So I always had a notebook in you know, always
Speaker 1: wore hoodie, always had pocket, yeah, of course, right, uh,
Speaker 1: but I always had But I always had notebooks with paper,
Speaker 1: you know, and I would rewrite different scripts, different series
Speaker 1: coming up, you know, like we come aside. I'm like, hey, Jewels,
Speaker 1: next third down call is going to be this, next
Speaker 1: first down is going to be called to be ready
Speaker 1: to go in on second down, and long, second and
Speaker 1: short we're gonna stay based. And I would write all
Speaker 1: of those out so that everybody had that during the game, I'm.
Speaker 2: Done, how's money? I'm done early, and then I went
Speaker 2: to Nickel.
Speaker 1: Then you went to Nickel.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's how we game plan.
Speaker 1: And you know, going to this game, they had had
Speaker 1: good skill that, you know, good running back obviously a
Speaker 1: quarterback that was gonna sit in the pocket. So it
Speaker 1: was like, how do we disrupt the timing of the
Speaker 1: game we had We're able to generate with some Andre
Speaker 1: and Mark, we're able you know, Vince pushed the pocket.
Speaker 1: It was Vince wilfork Man. He's easily.
Speaker 2: Now does Bill come in to staff meeting? All right, boys,
Speaker 2: this is how we have to win this because he's
Speaker 2: gonna give you the keys on what he thinks the
Speaker 2: whole collective teams, special teams, defense and offense has to do.
Speaker 2: So he pulls in, all right, guys, this is what
Speaker 2: we got to do, this, this, this, this, this, and
Speaker 2: then he pulls you aside. You guys break and you
Speaker 2: guys go install what you're gonna do for that week
Speaker 2: or develop what you're gonna do for that game plan week.
Speaker 2: Now does he ever sometimes come in, I like, Matty
Speaker 2: p you know, we're gonna score a lot of points
Speaker 2: on these guys, like, this is what we need you
Speaker 2: to do. So like, is that's what a good head coach?
Speaker 2: Is that what he's doing as well?
Speaker 1: So we certainly would have as we got ready for
Speaker 1: game plans. You know, we would meet Josh would meet
Speaker 1: with Bill. I'd meet with Bill and we'd talk about like, hey,
Speaker 1: what are you thinking, how do you want to play this?
Speaker 1: What do you think on the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: We'd do that kind of individually. We talked, you know,
Speaker 1: personnel always biggest thing.
Speaker 2: We who do we got?
Speaker 1: You know, it was always us first, like who do
Speaker 1: we have? Who are the best eleven guys we can
Speaker 1: put on the field to help us win this week
Speaker 1: against and who do they got? It was all you
Speaker 1: know to me the NFL coming from college, the NFL
Speaker 1: was so much more the NBA than it was college football.
Speaker 1: It was the matchups. It was who's this guy? Who
Speaker 1: whears this guy? How do you play the game, you know,
Speaker 1: against these the players on the other side of the field,
Speaker 1: and who do you have? So we would talk about
Speaker 1: the big picture. We would put the game plans together.
Speaker 1: You know, I'd certainly go in and talk to them like, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we're thinking. What do you think You'd
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, this is great, this is good. Hey
Speaker 1: take a look at this. Maybe try something here too.
Speaker 1: So he'd always have you know, we'd always have to
Speaker 1: say as far as things that he liked, and then
Speaker 1: what we would do, which I loved, loved these meetings
Speaker 1: that were super long. All of our meetings were super long,
Speaker 1: all of them. So but it would be the night
Speaker 1: before the game and we would have a coordinators meeting
Speaker 1: and we would and Ernie so Ernie Bill coordinators's phone
Speaker 1: was not ringing. That was the most amazing thing ever.
Speaker 1: I know, Josha bro, you have no idea. I was
Speaker 1: like everyone thought they were fired right there. Okay, anyways,
Speaker 1: so we'd have these coordinator MOMENTI story, and so we
Speaker 1: would we would go through we would go through the
Speaker 1: call sheet every with so I knew how Josh was
Speaker 1: going to call the game. Josh knew how I was
Speaker 1: going to call the game. I knew what Scotti was
Speaker 1: going to call on special teams, and we would build
Speaker 1: it sit there and we talk about, Okay, hey, does
Speaker 1: this fit the vision of how this game needs to
Speaker 1: go so that we give ourselves a chance to win?
Speaker 1: And that was the most fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the crazy thing. We talk about, all
Speaker 2: these sexy hires, all these play callers. You know that
Speaker 2: these future coaches. You think that a good play caller
Speaker 2: could just be a great head coach. It's hard. It's
Speaker 2: fucking hard. Being a head coach is hard. It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's really hard.
Speaker 2: Jackie, let's break down the fucking uh Ravens. Baltimore Ravens
Speaker 2: get through the they were in our division because play
Speaker 2: them twice a year the regular season.
Speaker 5: On theofs somehow didn't match up this year against them
Speaker 5: in the regular season this year.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you gotta be a first place All the
Speaker 2: first place teams play each other. That's how it goes. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what people don't realize about the schedule. Making all
Speaker 2: in conference, whatever you place, you play all those same
Speaker 2: places and then you get a different conference division, So
Speaker 2: that makes up the eighteen to seventeen games the schedule
Speaker 2: more beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's like, again, you think about the incredible run that
Speaker 1: we had, like every year, let alone, we're getting whatever
Speaker 1: team we played, we were getting their best because that
Speaker 1: was the benchmark. But you're also playing the best teams
Speaker 1: every year all the time. Like the mental fort two
Speaker 1: is that word? The mental toughness a favorite Tommy Like
Speaker 1: the the what do you say?
Speaker 2: Competitive?
Speaker 1: Competitive stands my favorite favorite term that he would use
Speaker 1: competitive stamina of you guys was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of people don't realize right
Speaker 2: now with these Chiefs. Everyone says, oh, they only won
Speaker 2: by two points. They don't realize that every team and
Speaker 2: every coach that's coaching against them, they're sitting and they say,
Speaker 2: that's America's most wanted If we beat them, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get paid more, we're gonna get a new job. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do this every single team. And it's not like
Speaker 2: you're playing Louisiana Lafayette Agricultural School the right. Everyone's getting
Speaker 2: everyone's good, everyone's good. So that's why it's impressive what
Speaker 2: they're doing. But that's what Matt matty p was trying
Speaker 2: to say, like, you know, it gets hard when you
Speaker 2: when you're winning first place every year, you're America's most wanted,
Speaker 2: so you're playing everyone's super Bowl.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. You don't realize, you know. And again we
Speaker 1: did this on purpose, right, so we were always kind
Speaker 1: of behind the curtain, like you know, knowing we had
Speaker 1: that mystery about us, right, which we loved because we
Speaker 1: didn't talk outside the building like everything was in house.
Speaker 1: And we loved it because actually it was an advantage.
Speaker 1: Like Teddy would say this whole time. Breu would be like,
Speaker 1: we had them beat before they walked in the field
Speaker 1: because everyone was like, how are they doing this? How
Speaker 1: are they doing this? And once we put a little
Speaker 1: bit of doubt in their head in the first or
Speaker 1: second quarter, well.
Speaker 2: Because we wouldn't make mistakes and they would Yep, we
Speaker 2: had them. Why the great teams embrace the bulls eye. Baby,
Speaker 2: you gotta you know what.
Speaker 1: Kyle Busch, which is great, right, So.
Speaker 2: He rubbed me when I was fucking starting to race
Speaker 2: in the New Hampshire once when I was the pit car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you fucking bumps. So I did the same thing New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Go right, go do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Actually, so I go out. I gotta I walk out
Speaker 1: with him and uh give him a check or something
Speaker 1: to him whatever. So you know, everyone loves to boo them, right,
Speaker 1: So I come on, they like announce me, and everyone's
Speaker 1: kind of like and then you know, cheering, and then
Speaker 1: like they announced him that they want to boo.
Speaker 2: But I'm on there so it's kind of awkward.
Speaker 1: And then he just looks at me and he goes,
Speaker 1: he goes, I love the booze.
Speaker 2: He goes, it means you're Relevan then, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I like that. It's true love that. He was awesome.
Speaker 2: He was. He drove the pace car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't drive it.
Speaker 2: I rode see I drove. I drove the pace car.
Speaker 2: And he was the first. He won the fucking polls,
Speaker 2: so he was. He was the first car and that's
Speaker 2: what he did. I went, I was like, hey, it
Speaker 2: was the day's thirder. He's bump you rubbed, you go rubbed.
Speaker 2: He's race He's also a Broncos fan, so I know
Speaker 2: he's got to. He was so cool though, he let
Speaker 2: he let me. All right, well he let me into
Speaker 2: his trailer and everything, but definitely on this oh yeah,
Speaker 2: come on, all right.
Speaker 5: Anyway, these Ravens went twelve and four, fourth year of
Speaker 5: the hardball era o C Cam Cameron Chuck Pagano was
Speaker 5: leading the team. We know him a future head coach
Speaker 5: after this. Ricky Williams last year in the NFL was
Speaker 5: taking snaps in this game. It's just my mind rewatching
Speaker 5: this game. Oh my god, running Ray shout out Ricky.
Speaker 5: Uh fourth straight year making the playoffs for the Ravens.
Speaker 5: Terrell Suggs DP O wide. He's been Player of the
Speaker 5: Year and they swept their division, so pretty dominant MAFC
Speaker 5: North that year. Dude, Jimmy Smith I always say he
Speaker 5: was really good.
Speaker 2: I liked him. Yeah, he was a bad, physical guy
Speaker 2: that could get in and out of his breaks because
Speaker 2: we played him so much. And then Tory Smith he
Speaker 2: was just he was a really fast receiver. Tyrod Taylor
Speaker 2: was a rookie crazy. They had the running back that
Speaker 2: was good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray Rice was.
Speaker 2: That guy. He's one of my favorite He's one of
Speaker 2: my favorites. He's a fucking low He's a sweet guy.
Speaker 2: He wasn't like an asshole.
Speaker 1: Amount of the amount of respect I have for him
Speaker 1: is off the charts.
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember Torell's or No, that was Bart Scott. Bart.
Speaker 2: Scott went to Billio's face, Remember that fuck you what boy?
Speaker 2: Billy Like I'm talking this was like I think the
Speaker 2: ref was doing the penalty for something and like there's
Speaker 2: dead time on the field and Bart went up to
Speaker 2: him and did that billy oh like starts yelling at him.
Speaker 5: And also this was Jones, this late era ed Reid
Speaker 5: for the for the Ravens second to last year in Baltimore.
Speaker 2: Now, how much did ed Man how much did he
Speaker 2: talk about him? And coaches me, because in our regular
Speaker 2: meetings we we'd have a forty five played cut up
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, fucking Ravens week of Ed Reid and
Speaker 2: the up and under on punt, the fucking the punt return,
Speaker 2: Like did Bill talk about him obsessly?
Speaker 1: And the defensive guys, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: So we played when I was at Syracuse two thousand
Speaker 1: and one, we played Miami last game of the year,
Speaker 1: so we were actually really good that year. Freenie was
Speaker 1: a he was a senior Dwight.
Speaker 2: He was rolling.
Speaker 1: It was our whole third down defense was hey, Dwight, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dwight's my guys, just go back to the quarterback. So
Speaker 1: we played Miami. McKinney, right is the tackle for Miami. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so this is Dwight story. But anyway, I was talk
Speaker 1: about Ed Reid, So Ed Reid and Jason Taylor. Literally,
Speaker 1: I think we threw more pick sixes to those guys
Speaker 1: in that game. I think they scored like four touchdowns
Speaker 1: a piece. It was unbelievable. Was a track meet, like
Speaker 1: those guys are just so ed Reid, Like even college,
Speaker 1: he was Unreal's the way that he did, the way
Speaker 1: that he could find the amazing He baits you too.
Speaker 2: There'd be some times were like I remember just in
Speaker 2: our gameplay meetings when we play against him. For an
Speaker 2: offensive skill player, when you're looking at coverage, you never
Speaker 2: look at the corners because corners can lie and cheat.
Speaker 2: What you always do is you have to always take
Speaker 2: a pre snap read of the safeties and then post
Speaker 2: snap what the safeties are doing. You have to be
Speaker 2: able to locate them to see what responsibility they're trying
Speaker 2: to get. So then that just what that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you got to see. But whenever we play the Ravens,
Speaker 2: we had to like we couldn't do that because Ed
Speaker 2: would fucking just completely go rogue on on something. He
Speaker 2: would start up over here when he had to be
Speaker 2: the halffield safety on the other side and then get
Speaker 2: over there, which we would get them. We would get them,
Speaker 2: we would, we would. We would gash him with the
Speaker 2: touchdown here or there. But then there would also be
Speaker 2: a pick that came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: Like that's just those games within the game, because that's
Speaker 1: my game within the game of like the quarterback the
Speaker 1: safety like Brady and and like that's fascinating stuff, like
Speaker 1: people that love like that is just watching those two
Speaker 1: great players at it with each other was amazing. Or
Speaker 1: you know, like coverage you mentioned where you find the fish, right,
Speaker 1: who's the youngest guy on the field.
Speaker 2: Who's the youngest guy.
Speaker 1: He's going to be the most scared about his coverage,
Speaker 1: So before the snap he will be in the alignment
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be in. So just find the fish
Speaker 1: and that'll give you. Like so whether it was a nickel,
Speaker 1: a star, a corner safety, you.
Speaker 2: Know, by the end I would look at because you'd
Speaker 2: always sometimes I would hear like Scar and Brady and Josh,
Speaker 2: they'd talk about like the defensive line, and sometimes you
Speaker 2: get keys from the defense line on what the coverage
Speaker 2: would be because if they were in like a bear front,
Speaker 2: or if they were in like five down diamond, you
Speaker 2: knew you were always getting manned because they were manned up,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So like or if you listen and you saw, like,
Speaker 1: you know, guy has uh he's normally got one hand down,
Speaker 1: all sudden he's got the other hand down.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, he's dropping. Yeah, he's dropping. You know,
Speaker 2: he's almost There's all these little keys.
Speaker 1: There's no different we look at offensive tackles. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, if his you know, his heels up here,
Speaker 1: if the stagger's this, it's past. This is run like
Speaker 1: all those you know, things you look for. But good players,
Speaker 1: like i'd read you better be careful.
Speaker 2: Now, how what was what was this offense for the Ravens?
Speaker 2: How what was the keys to stop this offense? What
Speaker 2: was so good about this offense in twenty eleven?
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, coming out of the year before,
Speaker 1: obviously the run game was going to be an issue, right,
Speaker 1: So we got to stop the run. But this was
Speaker 1: getting Flacco, like, you know, like we got to get
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. We gotta make him uncomfortable. He's not really
Speaker 1: gonna scram he's not going to take off. We got
Speaker 1: to push the middle of the pocket. They're gonna get
Speaker 1: some yards. They've been getting it all year. We just
Speaker 1: got to do a great job in the red area
Speaker 1: and then you know, make him try to drive it
Speaker 1: and get some turnovers, which we did. You know, we
Speaker 1: got a couple of great I mean, the spikes pick
Speaker 1: in this game is a great play.
Speaker 2: By one hand. Yeah, that was a really good pick.
Speaker 2: Now with Joe Flacco what I always saw with you,
Speaker 2: let me pull the book. I can show you we
Speaker 2: we got ye.
Speaker 1: We're coming on.
Speaker 2: I mean we're coming out. Holy Ernie, Maddie. All of
Speaker 2: them were Josh brings ship to just din't bring anything.
Speaker 2: I don't think Josh Billy. Oh he brought a tea kettle.
Speaker 2: He got all pissed. So this would be right. So
Speaker 2: this is your play sheet.
Speaker 1: So this would be the play sheet from the game.
Speaker 2: How many times do you refine that?
Speaker 1: So I was obsessed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we start out with probably like eight hundred plays.
Speaker 1: So through the course of the week, like I'd build
Speaker 1: it right, So whether it was early downs, third downs,
Speaker 1: red area, I would build him as we would go through,
Speaker 1: and then by the end I would sit there and
Speaker 1: just I'd sit there by the end, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'd build the call sheet and we always had you know,
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a different call sheet
Speaker 1: than than all the other coaches because they also had
Speaker 1: the personnel on the back. I wasn't doing the rotation
Speaker 1: of the players and all that stuff, so all the
Speaker 1: situational stuff was on the back. But yeah, so in
Speaker 1: the front of the game, you know, we'd go circle
Speaker 1: the calls we were going to start with in the game,
Speaker 1: go from there, and then i'd have like minis sometimes
Speaker 1: when my eyes actually work, my eyes don't work anymore,
Speaker 1: but I'd be able to call it off the minis
Speaker 1: if I wanted those. I couldn't find my notebook for
Speaker 1: this one, my handwritten notes during the game. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so we had you know, I got the evaluation of
Speaker 1: the game right here. Things we did well, things we
Speaker 1: did poorly.
Speaker 2: So when you're you're about to call a play, you're
Speaker 2: looking over to see who's the signal guy to tell
Speaker 2: us what personnel was. So Joshua's boyer was upstairs, upstairs.
Speaker 2: We gotta love it, we gotta love it, we gotta
Speaker 2: love it. And you go to your eleven personnel.
Speaker 1: There was nobody better upstairs than josh His eyes is
Speaker 1: the way he saw the game, the information he gave me.
Speaker 2: I love josh. Yeah. So he gives you personnel, and
Speaker 2: then you already know situations. So it's first and ten.
Speaker 2: You go to your first and ten thing. We got
Speaker 2: eleven person are eleven personnel, and then you're changing up
Speaker 2: if you want eleven personnel blitz or this that, and
Speaker 2: that's what you're making the decision.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, based on how I think the
Speaker 1: game is going, or if I have a tendency on
Speaker 1: how I think he's gonna call it. Like some guys
Speaker 1: getting run past rhythms. Some guys go run run past
Speaker 1: or whatever that is, or or.
Speaker 2: First down after crossing the fifty, maybe a shot.
Speaker 1: All those situations. I mean, if we get to the
Speaker 1: logo or low fridge, high red area, fringe, hi yep,
Speaker 1: backed up, protection, block it up, throw it outside. If
Speaker 1: you're showing yeah, all that stuff.
Speaker 4: Can I ask the dumbest like at home fan question.
Speaker 4: Just hear me out for a second. The place sheets laminated, Yes,
Speaker 4: you've got a pencil in your.
Speaker 1: Ear or I had a paper note pad so you
Speaker 1: can see on the back there. Those are the second
Speaker 1: joy's got it right now, I had I was like
Speaker 1: staples now, I mean I had had.
Speaker 2: Austments.
Speaker 1: Those are the adjustments or probably during the game, you know,
Speaker 1: in the second half. Those are second half. I had
Speaker 1: my thin markers in my right front pocket. I had
Speaker 1: thick markers in my back pocket because it would cross
Speaker 1: them out. I had pencil here, I had a notebook
Speaker 1: in the front of my pocket because sometimes it was
Speaker 1: cardboard or paper because again the lambin it's great. The
Speaker 1: thing about the lamina was good is that you could
Speaker 1: mark on it and do all that. But it actually
Speaker 1: when you lamit made the thing bigger, so I can
Speaker 1: actually see it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know it's hard, but you know you'd be
Speaker 1: writing and doing all that stuff. But again, if it
Speaker 1: rained or if it snowed, like, those markers are useless, right,
Speaker 1: so they don't work. Paper and pencil always works, you know,
Speaker 1: cardboard works, and a lot of times, like as if
Speaker 1: I had the call sheet here, I actually had paper
Speaker 1: in front of it. And then so during the series,
Speaker 1: as I'm getting notes, I would quick mark on the
Speaker 1: paper in front of me in front of the call sheet,
Speaker 1: and then go back, and then when everyone came to
Speaker 1: the sideline, I would go and mark up in marker
Speaker 1: on the call sheet because I didn't want to mark
Speaker 1: on the call sheet during the call. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to correct anything on the call sheet because I wanted
Speaker 1: the call sheet. That's that's where I was making the
Speaker 1: calls from. So I needed that as good as it
Speaker 1: could be. I mean got chaotic. I could cut some
Speaker 1: of these game plans. So I hand drew all of
Speaker 1: our game plans, hand wrote and drew every call.
Speaker 2: You put it into something though only the call sheet,
Speaker 2: so all that is you don't have that. You know
Speaker 2: what you should do? If I was, you tell me,
Speaker 2: if you want to be real smart, what you have
Speaker 2: engineering power to do this? You know there's chat GBT, Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm into that right now. You should make chat matty
Speaker 2: P where you log all your football ship in. And
Speaker 2: then whenever I have anything, I could just say, what
Speaker 2: is that base thing this that you could type it
Speaker 2: in there and it'll it'll take all the databases from
Speaker 2: all your notes and it'll be able to answer the question. Now,
Speaker 2: that's a that's AI. I might already be on that.
Speaker 2: I know you're on that ship. I know you're on
Speaker 2: that ship. I am heavy into that right now. But
Speaker 2: that's what that's what it's gonna be. I can't believe
Speaker 2: you just told everybody just oh yeah, we were watching this.
Speaker 2: And I always remember sometimes you get in front when
Speaker 2: I would play scout team, because he would. When I
Speaker 2: was playing a scout team at this time, Matt e
Speaker 2: p would come coach the scout team for fifteen minutes
Speaker 2: on what he wanted to emphasize on the period of
Speaker 2: the play cards. So he would he would go through
Speaker 2: all our play cards what we had to go run
Speaker 2: against the real team or the ones, and he would
Speaker 2: go and kind of try to coach how they would
Speaker 2: do it. And so a lot of times when we
Speaker 2: play these guys with Joe Flacco, he'd be like he
Speaker 2: go to the quarterback, he goes, all right, I don't
Speaker 2: care if the guy's covered down the field, just throw
Speaker 2: it up because they're going to try to get a pie.
Speaker 2: And half the time is that not true?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it was he was gonna go the
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. You know, everybody fifty. But defensively, for me,
Speaker 1: it was always like, really, there's three things that can
Speaker 1: happen on the play when you played these guys, and
Speaker 1: they always had it was either he could you could
Speaker 1: break it up, he can catch it, or they're gonna
Speaker 1: get a you know, they're gonna get a PI and
Speaker 1: then get the ball down there. So I'm like, we
Speaker 1: have to practice that. If we don't practice that, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to make those plays live. And
Speaker 1: in the game it was all like because again you're
Speaker 1: you're downfield trying to play the ball up in the air,
Speaker 1: and a lot of times for the show teams, it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just not gonna throw it. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: I need this guy to get this rep. I don't
Speaker 1: care if he's covered, because this is gonna happen in
Speaker 1: the game, and if he doesn't do it in practice,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna you know, as a player, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna have that confidence that you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: do it right in the game. And I just wanted
Speaker 1: to have that confidence going in the game, so you know,
Speaker 1: we'd be out in the field and be like, hey,
Speaker 1: you've made this play three times this week, like I
Speaker 1: threw it you on purpose, Like just go make it
Speaker 1: in the game.
Speaker 2: You can do that. So what would you say? The
Speaker 2: craziest little one of those types of things you guys
Speaker 2: made players due to work on players weaknesses, because I
Speaker 2: have one. When you used to tape up the balls,
Speaker 2: you would tape they would tape up. They would tape
Speaker 2: up Dv's hands. They would tape up their hands so
Speaker 2: they couldn't grab if they got a lot of grabbing penalties,
Speaker 2: they would fucking tape their hands so they couldn't grab him. Provy,
Speaker 2: So mad I would be. If I was a dB,
Speaker 2: I would be like, this is fucking crazy. Or if
Speaker 2: say another team was on vice versa as a receiver,
Speaker 2: Bill and Maddy p would go into the other you know,
Speaker 2: the scout team for the defense, and he would say,
Speaker 2: line up off sides and hold the guy. There's no
Speaker 2: holding this way, there's no holding, we just hold him.
Speaker 1: Or like pass rush, I tell the defensive ends against
Speaker 1: you know, if like you had a good rusher for
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, hey, just line up off sides, like
Speaker 1: just don't don't worry about line up on the ball,
Speaker 1: just line up off sides, because that's how fast this
Speaker 1: guy gets off the ball.
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's what people don't realize
Speaker 2: when I see all these situations, like when the defensive
Speaker 2: lineman sees the ball on the ground after a quarterback
Speaker 2: got strip sacked and there's a pile of guys and
Speaker 2: a guy tries to pick it up instead of just
Speaker 2: falling on it. Country, and we used to literally fucking
Speaker 2: practice that we're country. Sit there and throw a ball out.
Speaker 2: All right, there's two guys. All right, you can pick
Speaker 2: it up or you have to get on it in
Speaker 2: country and city. Country and city.
Speaker 1: What do you mean in the country pick it up?
Speaker 1: Here in the city, get on.
Speaker 2: It, Get on it. That means too much, too much traffic,
Speaker 2: Too much traffic, jackie, what's the game. Let's blast through
Speaker 2: this thing thirty two degrees at kickoff. This is the
Speaker 2: early game of the of the Championship series. So it's
Speaker 2: still in New York.
Speaker 5: Sam Frayin on the back end, Ledsoe Honrey, captain ye
Speaker 5: Steven Tyler out there singing the national anthem. This thing
Speaker 5: is getting kicked off, and we're coming off the tebow
Speaker 5: Mania and ground three TV performance riding high and then
Speaker 5: of course a little bit of bad memories coming in
Speaker 5: here with the Ray Rice.
Speaker 2: Eighty seven yard TV to kick it off two years earlier.
Speaker 5: So that was that was a storyline swirling to We
Speaker 5: alluded to this earlier in the episode three and out
Speaker 5: fest to start the game three in a row, Big
Speaker 5: Vince was in their tackle for loss sacks. We're moving
Speaker 5: the ball down the field. Three points in the first half,
Speaker 5: low scoring or the first quarter. Sorry about that, Pat's
Speaker 5: up three to nothing. Tom throws a pick late in
Speaker 5: the first quarter, intended for Jules. That drive extends into
Speaker 5: the second So mad at me, I look at like
Speaker 5: such a young player in that play.
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it.
Speaker 5: Well, the scoring opens up a little bit in the
Speaker 5: second quarter. Ten ten Steve o tax On.
Speaker 2: Technically the ball is supposed to be outside of numbers
Speaker 2: two yards outside.
Speaker 1: This is why we are how we are. We've won
Speaker 1: so many games. I can't like sometimes I remember that
Speaker 1: I know every game, every bad play, like all like
Speaker 1: we just we have said.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what's crazy? This makes me rehash
Speaker 2: and remember stuff. Yeah, I don't just sit and remember,
Speaker 2: like because we we were blessed and fortunate enough where
Speaker 2: we had so many Usually, if you're like a guy
Speaker 2: that goes to high school, you play football, you remember
Speaker 2: everything from high school. But we've gone on to so
Speaker 2: many crazy experiences and we've had a lot of them
Speaker 2: that like my processor can't handle it all.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were like six Super Bowls, eight straight
Speaker 1: AFC championship. I don't know how many total AFC champions
Speaker 1: you cant. I mean, it's just like so lucky.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy. Thirteen ten at the half, Pats are up.
Speaker 5: Moving into the second half, we extend the lead with
Speaker 5: another Steve o field goal. A lot of bend don't
Speaker 5: break going on on both sides of the ball. Baltimore
Speaker 5: gets the lead, first lead of the game on a
Speaker 5: Tory Smith twenty nine yard touchdown. Then we have a
Speaker 5: tough sequence coming up here. Woody fumbles the subsequent kick return. Brutal,
Speaker 5: brutal three hold him to three on a big red
Speaker 5: area stop.
Speaker 2: So what's the art of the red area stop?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, negative play.
Speaker 2: Negative play decreases your chances of scoring. It's it's resetting
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: Negative play in the reddia decreases your chances of scoring
Speaker 1: by like fifty percent or whatever it is. So it
Speaker 1: was always like when they run the ball like they
Speaker 1: you know, you can never let him run it in never,
Speaker 1: and then it's the you know, stop him on early downs,
Speaker 1: and then it's the four point play on third down.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break.
Speaker 1: So we used to do goal line seven on seven.
Speaker 2: I remember competitive like it was like we would talk.
Speaker 2: That's when he brought out the easy button. We talked
Speaker 2: about that. Remember talk.
Speaker 1: We would talk ship and all that stuff, like we
Speaker 1: would bat you know, Brady and all that, so, you know,
Speaker 1: and Rob would always be talking, you know. So I
Speaker 1: would stand. I would put the garbage cans up because
Speaker 1: he'd be.
Speaker 2: Running the route, like the garbage can linemen. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I put them out.
Speaker 1: And like make sure that they couldn't just run through
Speaker 1: because we had the you know, only the skelly out there.
Speaker 2: And so Rob.
Speaker 1: Rob was yaking, and so I had the garbage can
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I knew he was running
Speaker 1: across out behind me. So he takes off and starts
Speaker 1: to run, and I take the garbage can and I
Speaker 1: throw it behind me, and all I hear is and
Speaker 1: I turn around. He's on the ground and he's laying
Speaker 1: there and he's not moving. This Friday before game and
Speaker 1: he's laying there and he's not moving, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just broke his leg. Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I just I'm like, I'm gonna get fired
Speaker 1: right now, like I just killed him. And so I'm like,
Speaker 1: so now I panic go over and now I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like, are you okay? And he
Speaker 1: starts laughing. I was like he's so he was like
Speaker 1: he scared the shit out of me. He used to like,
Speaker 1: you know, my kids would come after train can was
Speaker 1: the best, right, you know, and he would always take
Speaker 1: Dominic and put him on his back and do push ups.
Speaker 1: He's like, I do my push ups and he'd take
Speaker 1: dom and he'd bang out the push ups. And I
Speaker 1: was laughing at him earlier. I was like, do you
Speaker 1: remember my oldest domb's first Halloween. I'm like, I came
Speaker 1: to your house, you know, for trick or treat, and
Speaker 1: so Rob obviously I know where he lives, right, So
Speaker 1: he comes to the door and he's wearing the exact
Speaker 1: same clothes he wore to work right with a knitted
Speaker 1: Santa Claus like mask, like right on his face. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, so I'm like, treat whatever. My
Speaker 1: mom's like one, so it puts it in. So I
Speaker 1: was talking to so he's got the mask, and I
Speaker 1: was like, my god, you get a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of tricker treaders or anything, and and he's
Speaker 1: not really saying anything.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like all right, and
Speaker 2: he kind of looks at Me's like, how do you
Speaker 2: know it was me?
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, I know where you
Speaker 1: live and you're in the same exact clothes I saw
Speaker 1: you in two hours ago, like.
Speaker 2: Foxborough.
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was like the best man,
Speaker 1: I love, I love you know. I was like, that's
Speaker 1: the best. But we used to talk, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's I mean, tell him to temmy right.
Speaker 2: So he talked so much.
Speaker 1: My old heads back in the day, Rabel Bruce Ki,
Speaker 1: like those guys they would go play show team just
Speaker 1: to play show team because they were bored, and they
Speaker 1: go out and play safety and you know, tell him
Speaker 1: we got mad. So it was always like it's not
Speaker 1: gonna remember always competition back and forth between the offense defense.
Speaker 2: What was the what was the one time that you
Speaker 2: because I know Raves used to give it to Brady
Speaker 2: the worst was there a specific incident or a practice
Speaker 2: You don't have to say what he said that you
Speaker 2: remember where like I think he may it went too far.
Speaker 1: You would hear the helmet go flying, and it would
Speaker 1: be yard Sale ear piece, mouth piece. Like I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: they got him, they got him good. You know, he'd
Speaker 1: be so mad, he'd be so mad, and he'd probably
Speaker 1: tell you too. The worst part was is that those
Speaker 1: guys probably messed up the look he's and you know,
Speaker 1: you know he'd get all because he knew covered three
Speaker 1: there in fucking yeah. They're you know, yes, splot field
Speaker 1: safety stuff and ruin. But with Tom and Grenk, this
Speaker 1: one was great too, where we would always do competitive
Speaker 1: drives two men and all that stuff, and and when
Speaker 1: there was a lot of ship talking going on back
Speaker 1: and forth and Gronk's on the far side of the field,
Speaker 1: and it's I think I was giving him a lot
Speaker 1: of ship we were. I was like, you guys, you know,
Speaker 1: we got you. Whatever he to me, takes a snap,
Speaker 1: he draws back and he just he throws it and
Speaker 1: as soon as he lets it go, he turns around
Speaker 1: at me and he looks at me and he was like,
Speaker 1: gives me one of these.
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I knew as soon as.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's a touchdown, like
Speaker 1: he's about to like score. So he gives me one
Speaker 1: of these and he's looking at it, doesn't even look
Speaker 1: at the play, looks at me, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he dropped it. And he turns around. He was so
Speaker 1: mad because he thought like Gronk dropped, Dronk caught it.
Speaker 2: It was a touchdown. He turned around and looked back
Speaker 2: at me, and I was like, that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It was unreal.
Speaker 2: So much fun, man, And he said, no fun over there.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Matt Light, are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Like he even story the.
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Barbecue won in Rochester, which he did the game.
Speaker 1: That was amazing because so being from Syracuse, that's where
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Barbecue was that opened up in Rochester. So he
Speaker 1: texted me, we're on the bus like we're literally trying
Speaker 1: to be a snowstorm and we're just like we're gonna
Speaker 1: get on ninety the through way and we're gonna drive
Speaker 1: until eventually they just shut the throu way down. We
Speaker 1: get up in Rochester. We go to a hotel. It's
Speaker 1: like under construction. There's like stuff everywhere, and I get
Speaker 1: a text from Light. I would always get a text
Speaker 1: my Light. He said he said Dinosaur BBQ meet us.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be bad.
Speaker 1: And I just remember I was like, you know, think god.
Speaker 1: There was like no videos and phones and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And I remember walking in like boat races are going
Speaker 1: on and like all that, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to babysit this.
Speaker 2: This is not gonna be This is not.
Speaker 1: You know, because I was always the one that was like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's get Maddie p He'll take care of it that way.
Speaker 1: If we get in trouble, we're okay. And I was
Speaker 1: like not again, because Light would do the same when
Speaker 1: we would do training camp.
Speaker 2: This one's great.
Speaker 1: So we all the coaches at bed check and your
Speaker 1: name would be on the board of who was the
Speaker 1: bed bed check coach that night. So Light comes to
Speaker 1: me training came. He goes, hey, he goes, uh listen,
Speaker 1: he goes, you got bed checked and then I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, you gotta do me a favorite. He goes,
Speaker 1: there's a new movie coming out. He goes, I rented
Speaker 1: the movie theater. He goes, but the whole team is
Speaker 1: gonna be there. It's okay, He's like, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: be a little late. And then it's like you mothers
Speaker 1: like why my I night? Like why do I always
Speaker 1: I have the worst bed check. Everything always happened to
Speaker 1: me on bedcheck, not a movie inside. So I was
Speaker 1: like what and the he I was like okay, I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, and I gotdn't obviously don't say anything. I'm like,
Speaker 1: all right, I got you. I'm like, but I'm coming,
Speaker 1: like I'm going to the movie. So it was Anchorman.
Speaker 2: That was the movie. It just come out, and literally
Speaker 2: the whole movie, it's the whole team is in the movie.
Speaker 2: That popcorn.
Speaker 1: Everyone like the whole thing, and I just remember it
Speaker 1: andding and it's like eleven whatever, curfew was eleven. I'm
Speaker 1: like like, look, everyone's got twenty minutes, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to rooms in twenty minutes. You better hurry up.
Speaker 1: But it was like one of those things where life's
Speaker 1: like hey, just you know, it'd.
Speaker 2: Be good for the team, you know how he could
Speaker 2: say anything, and I was like, oh, this guy's so
Speaker 2: Matt Light one training camp. Every day at the end
Speaker 2: of training camp we'd have two minute drill and for
Speaker 2: the for the film, they would always go to the clock,
Speaker 2: which was you'd have fans under the clock and it's
Speaker 2: like there's like a lawn, there's a bunch of fans
Speaker 2: under but they'd go to the clock to see where
Speaker 2: it was before the play, to see the time on
Speaker 2: on the play. So like if you had two minutes
Speaker 2: to go after a play, you'd have you know, one
Speaker 2: thirty of no timeouts whatever, but you get that show
Speaker 2: out of the scoreboard every single time. And so Matt
Speaker 2: had one of his buddies come up during two minutes
Speaker 2: and he wrote a bunch of signs that he knew
Speaker 2: after each play to put the sign up before the
Speaker 2: thing for the cut up, so the whole team would
Speaker 2: have to see it. And they would be signs like mayo,
Speaker 2: I wish I put some mayo on those buns, or
Speaker 2: he had all these crazy things and.
Speaker 1: So you can choker wide, Yeah, I have them all,
Speaker 1: and I had they were in the back of my truck.
Speaker 1: Cause again it's like I gotta I gotta hide these.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing them in the back of your truck. I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't put them in my truck, Like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want the evidence.
Speaker 1: Like, so we go into the team meeting and you know,
Speaker 1: Bill's he's up there and he's mod he's coaching, and
Speaker 1: so no one's catching it, like the first time it
Speaker 1: flashes over, but you can see the players like, wait,
Speaker 1: what did I just did? I just see right there?
Speaker 1: And then you know, Bill's like, go to the next play,
Speaker 1: and then I see the next one comes up. And
Speaker 1: then so now like part of the room sees it.
Speaker 1: Now part of the room starts truckling. So now once
Speaker 1: part of room start was like what And so you
Speaker 1: can see I sat behind and I can see the
Speaker 1: whisper going through and I'm looking I'm like, oh my lord,
Speaker 1: I'm like, he did not And I knew because I
Speaker 1: could look over and light. Always I knew when he
Speaker 1: was guilty. It was like your kids, right, I always
Speaker 1: knew when he was guilty. And I was like, I
Speaker 1: can't So I'm staring at him and he won't like
Speaker 1: I know he can feel that. I know, he can
Speaker 1: feel the heat coming off of me, and he won't
Speaker 1: look he won't look over and he's just got his
Speaker 1: you know, his little smirk. And so now eventually everyone's
Speaker 1: everyone's like cracking up and feels like there's like trying.
Speaker 1: And then he's like what the he you know, like
Speaker 1: just goes on the rant. The whole room erupts, and
Speaker 1: it was it was.
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, it was amazing. It was amazing. What does Bill
Speaker 2: say to that after like the stime? I think you
Speaker 2: know what he says after that Jesus cry? I think
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: But it was that's the thing, like, you know, listen,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I know everyone's like, hey, what's
Speaker 1: best Bill story? Like all like every like whatever, Like
Speaker 1: Bill's like my best friends, He's you know, he's like
Speaker 1: my best friend. Like well, I said, but like the
Speaker 1: thing like I don't see people say, is like no, no,
Speaker 1: Bill doing a having a water gun fight in my
Speaker 1: pool with my kids in the middle of the summer.
Speaker 1: Like that's the funniest to me. You know, my kids
Speaker 1: are like dunking them Like that's you know, hysterical. That's
Speaker 1: that's the Bill I know. But I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: practice and all that stuff, and I go, yeah, but look,
Speaker 1: it was work. Like we went to work like that's
Speaker 1: what it was. We we love football, it was our passion.
Speaker 2: We learned.
Speaker 1: It was hard, don't get me wrong, Like it was hard.
Speaker 1: Every day was hard. But you guys that you guys
Speaker 1: made it fun. Like it was just like that was
Speaker 1: the best part of my dad was like I would
Speaker 1: get done with the you know, twelve hours, I would
Speaker 1: work at night and I'd be I didn't want to
Speaker 1: see any the other anybody, the coaches or whatever, and
Speaker 1: and then you guys would come in and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the players are here, let's go, let's get And that
Speaker 1: was the great part about it. And that's what was
Speaker 1: so fun. But like stuff like that, it would happen
Speaker 1: all like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, the pig's head, the pig's head, which one was
Speaker 2: that so light would have pig ROAs, Yeah.
Speaker 1: A friend of ours would have pig ROAs. And all
Speaker 1: of a sudden there would be a pig head that
Speaker 1: would show up in the locker room and like because
Speaker 1: you know, we used to have the one door, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you'd open up the door and there's a pig
Speaker 1: head sitting in your locker, like right there standing.
Speaker 2: You know, guy's freaking I mean it was he put
Speaker 2: a duck, a live duck in someone's locker. One time.
Speaker 1: I walked out of the I walked out of the
Speaker 1: meal room and the running back room used to be
Speaker 1: right there, yea, and Ivan was in there. It was
Speaker 1: late in the afternoon, five so you know, film might yeah,
Speaker 1: film might have been watching. And I look in and
Speaker 1: Light is literally doing the chicken's He's walking like a
Speaker 1: chicken behind Ivan, and you know, like one of the
Speaker 1: cronies is in there with the camera and he's filming it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, what are you doing? Literally
Speaker 1: walking like a chicken in the back of the running
Speaker 1: back room.
Speaker 2: But get it, to know, a camera? Yeah, getting it.
Speaker 1: He don't everything, he has it all like he has
Speaker 1: all that stuff.
Speaker 2: There's some stories that we couldn't tell of how crazy
Speaker 2: Light was about certain things that he did to teammates.
Speaker 2: There was things we couldn't tell. Was there ever a
Speaker 2: moment We're like, all right, he went too far? This
Speaker 2: is it? Like with Light, he's getting at it, like
Speaker 2: he's getting cut.
Speaker 1: I would say with Light it was always borderline. The
Speaker 1: stuff that got out of control, which actually ended all
Speaker 1: of it. Was the quarterbacks that ended it. What happened
Speaker 1: you You never messed with the guy that had real money, No,
Speaker 1: because real money could really mess you up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like guys that send moving companies.
Speaker 1: To your house and move all of your furniture out
Speaker 1: onto the front lawn while you were at practice and
Speaker 1: you go home in your entire house. No, that would
Speaker 1: cost a normal person like twenty thousand dollars. But you
Speaker 1: know somebody has real money. Like you're messing with the
Speaker 1: wrong person wrong or uh you know you you take
Speaker 1: whatever it was, three of the tires off their.
Speaker 2: Car and him I remember that.
Speaker 1: No, three of them in the locker and the fourth
Speaker 1: ones hidden like in.
Speaker 2: The stadium ground. Yeah, so you're in the stadium on
Speaker 2: the stadium grounds.
Speaker 1: Or you maybe alter someone's jersey and hang it in
Speaker 1: the shower so that it dries. But when he sweats,
Speaker 1: the smell of how you altered it comes back in
Speaker 1: the middle of practice and you want to throw up
Speaker 1: the Uh that was? That was the worst? Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you'd put the you take their mouthpieces and you'd spray
Speaker 1: with the oldrant because you never put your.
Speaker 2: Mouthpiece until you got the practice and put them in.
Speaker 2: The odant just sucks, sucks all.
Speaker 1: The saliva out of your mouth and now you can't
Speaker 1: breathe and you can't.
Speaker 2: That was a good one.
Speaker 1: So we are at the Pro Bowl. We're at the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and he's there, and the Pro bowls over,
Speaker 1: and I can't remember if we were flying home or
Speaker 1: we're just at the after party at the prob I
Speaker 1: think we're at the after party and he and he's
Speaker 1: sitting there with us and he goes, watch this. He goes,
Speaker 1: I got this app and he goes, I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: and Billios across the room and he calls Billy. Oh,
Speaker 1: but it came up on Billio's phone as Robert Kraft.
Speaker 1: So so you I'm watching it, and Lights like, watch this,
Speaker 1: and so he dials it and you I'm looking at
Speaker 1: Billy and bill Hill was looking ass and he's showing anybody.
Speaker 2: He's like like, Robert's like, what do I what do
Speaker 2: I do it?
Speaker 1: And so you can see him like answer and Light's
Speaker 1: doing like mister Kraft on the other end, like how
Speaker 1: disappointed he is in the game. And you know, we
Speaker 1: we needed to show better in the Pro Bowl and
Speaker 1: Billy's like answering them. I'm dying. I'm like, how is
Speaker 1: this guy have this stuff? It was he was He
Speaker 1: was absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2: What did Billy do? What he did? He find out
Speaker 2: we were dying, we were rolling.
Speaker 1: I think I had pictures of that somewhere too, ess,
Speaker 1: just taking pictures of him as he's answering the phone.
Speaker 2: But light, Yeah, you had to know.
Speaker 1: The quarterback thing was that was crazy. The we used
Speaker 1: to have the uh the FBI die that would turn purple.
Speaker 1: So they put it in like money bags and like
Speaker 1: if you got the money bag wet or whatever, then
Speaker 1: all the money would turn purple. It was. It was
Speaker 1: like a white powder. Yeah, So you'd put it and
Speaker 1: everybody's cleats, you know, before you go to practice, so
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know. And now you sweat during training camp
Speaker 1: and you come out of training camp in your feet
Speaker 1: or purple and you can't It's like it's like grade
Speaker 1: whatever die. You can't get it off, and you're just
Speaker 1: so you know, like you know, you're walking around the city.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he got diet, you know, he got it.
Speaker 1: He got it, you know, he couldn't shot. The worst
Speaker 1: was Pierre this is the worst.
Speaker 2: This is too far. I lived with Pierre Guy. Here's
Speaker 2: my guy. That's so light.
Speaker 1: This is so bad. Man Light had this stack of
Speaker 1: lottery tickets that were like fixed, like they were winners,
Speaker 1: and they were like ten million dollars or something crazy.
Speaker 2: So it's Christmas, I think it was Christmas.
Speaker 1: And he's handing out the lottery tickets and Pierre sit
Speaker 1: at the table and he gets one and he starts
Speaker 1: scratching and he's like and he's scratching a little bit
Speaker 1: more and he's like scratching again.
Speaker 2: He's like and he's like, oh my god. He's like
Speaker 2: I think I just want ten million, like a million dollars, and.
Speaker 1: Like they're letting it go on and on and on
Speaker 1: and light, and I'm like, son of them, I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is not cool, bro, way too far.
Speaker 2: It's not it's way too far. Right there they go
Speaker 2: to the yeah defensive room saying fuck you. Right, he
Speaker 2: out of p I'm not playing this week. I'm done.
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my, that one, that one,
Speaker 1: I felt that one.
Speaker 2: That one was all right, we gotta get back to this.
Speaker 2: Can you take us through the sterling more punch? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So driving in the two minutes and then which you know.
Speaker 2: Two minutes, right, so driving, lock and combo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lock and combo.
Speaker 2: That was the third.
Speaker 1: So now they're in the fringe and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: throw it up to the sideline. It was the far sideline.
Speaker 1: It was their sideline going away from the lighthouse, and uh,
Speaker 1: we're beat at the line of scrimmage, you know, and Sterling.
Speaker 2: Sterling.
Speaker 1: The thing that was so special about him was he
Speaker 1: just had an unbelievable ability to play the hands and
Speaker 1: really he was strong, like his hands, his punched, like
Speaker 1: his finished through was really strong, good quickness, good change direction.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean this is high competition. This
Speaker 1: is at the end of the game. And so the
Speaker 1: ball goes up and obviously, you know, it's like trying
Speaker 1: to go to Super Bowl all that, and you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're beat beating the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: and he's trailing's in full trail and it just totally casual,
Speaker 1: you know, drops in and here, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's gonna knock it out.
Speaker 2: And I knew.
Speaker 1: I just knew it was like because we saw it
Speaker 1: in practice. All he timed it so perfectly. As he
Speaker 1: chopped through and it is literally, you know, they did
Speaker 1: a whole science thing. I think he has been like
Speaker 1: the whole like whatever breakdown of the science behind how
Speaker 1: fast he did it before the second foot came down
Speaker 1: and he knocked it out in the control and the
Speaker 1: whole thing. That was just one of those plays where
Speaker 1: I was like, somebody helped us right there, like you know, somebody,
Speaker 1: you know, because we were beat you know that should
Speaker 1: have should have won. Yeah, Myra made up and then
Speaker 1: know we needed on the fourth down on the field goal,
Speaker 1: and she did it again. So I think the Sterling
Speaker 1: more like you know, you think about plays in the
Speaker 1: NFL that happened for this game for me, you know,
Speaker 1: you finally coming along and being the guy that I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we got a two way player.
Speaker 1: Let's go and if we're gonna do this on defense, right,
Speaker 1: Sterling Moore. The legacy of Sterling Moore is really solidified
Speaker 1: in this game. Right, So this is his you know
Speaker 1: game that people know who he is.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: You know, I were pushing the ball a little bit
Speaker 1: to the left, miss field goal and miss in the
Speaker 1: field goal, and we're we're going back to the Super.
Speaker 2: Bowl now, what are you doing pre snap before that?
Speaker 2: Are you going over your potential before the kick? Are
Speaker 2: you going over potential calls in all over time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these situations, I'm always panicked, right, so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm never watching the kick. I'm always thinking, like,
Speaker 1: all right, it's tied. They get the ball, how are
Speaker 1: we gonna you know, how we're gonna play the next series,
Speaker 1: which probably drove everybody crazy, and certainly you know, Boyer
Speaker 1: is the one that had to keep me calm because
Speaker 1: I'll be like talking to playing.
Speaker 2: Look, they get the ball.
Speaker 1: We got to do that, and all the players like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you right now, Like
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm watching the kick, and I'm like I
Speaker 1: can't watch the kick, like I gotta do something to
Speaker 1: take my mind off.
Speaker 2: It was no different than the Super Bowls. We were
Speaker 2: in the same thing happened, ye.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I didn't really I just wait for
Speaker 1: the reaction to know where we're going with it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta stay busy.
Speaker 2: That was crazy. We missed that. That was for them
Speaker 2: to tie it. Everyone thinks for them to win it.
Speaker 2: I was just to tie it. That was that was
Speaker 2: like a crazy year for us to aftermath because there
Speaker 2: was that drought. There was a there was a fucking
Speaker 2: drought from that seven to that, and it was kind
Speaker 2: of a new team, we're rebuilding, you know. We got
Speaker 2: to the end of nine.
Speaker 1: I mean, Bill and I just kind of looked at
Speaker 1: it and said, all right, we gotta we gotta start over,
Speaker 1: you know. And it was just like, all right, how
Speaker 1: we're going to rebuild the roster? What are we going
Speaker 1: to do with the pieces we got? Where do we
Speaker 1: gotta go? How do we you know, what do we
Speaker 1: want to be? You know, where's the league going? It
Speaker 1: was a great thing. They always knew kind of like, hey,
Speaker 1: the league's gonna shift here, shift this direction, and we
Speaker 1: would always try to stay in front of that. Or
Speaker 1: The big thing for us really after this was it
Speaker 1: was really probably this year. We were so predominantly base
Speaker 1: three to four defense at that point because there was
Speaker 1: a lot of twenty one and twelve and twenty two,
Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore to play twenty two personnel, and half
Speaker 1: of the league at one point was playing three four.
Speaker 1: Whether it was branches of our coaching staff that was
Speaker 1: out there or Pittsburgh's it just became harder in the
Speaker 1: draft to find outside linebackers, you know, so we kind
Speaker 1: of switched. Two thousand and eleven, we played like really
Speaker 1: like one outside linebacker. We played more of a four
Speaker 1: man line, kind of like four to three. And then
Speaker 1: after this, because of twelve personnel and the way that
Speaker 1: was going, it was easier for us to get in
Speaker 1: a four down front and play the big nickel. The
Speaker 1: sub packages still had base and so after this year,
Speaker 1: I really I went in and I was like, look,
Speaker 1: every training camp we started with the same run fits,
Speaker 1: we start with the same install I said, I'm scrapping
Speaker 1: all that. I'm like, we're going to start and sub
Speaker 1: you know. And I started to change the defense. Twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: we got some more pieces. I got high you know,
Speaker 1: Chandler that year, and those were new pieces of the
Speaker 1: defense I was really able to create. Then the next
Speaker 1: Jamie came in, we got to leave. That changed another
Speaker 1: piece for me. I started sending the linebackers what's called
Speaker 1: like people call like sim pressures. Now, we were doing
Speaker 1: those in twenty thirteen, you know, and it basically it's
Speaker 1: a sim pressure, so where you know what it is,
Speaker 1: So basically it looks like five man rush pressure, but
Speaker 1: it's actually four and someone else is dropping out, and
Speaker 1: you're trying to really mess with the protections. And one
Speaker 1: of the things I found out.
Speaker 2: They're changing is they don't know which guy's dropping out.
Speaker 2: That's what people So that's why when you say you're
Speaker 2: trying to mess with protections, there's five guys coming, the
Speaker 2: offensive line can pick them up. But if you they
Speaker 2: don't know which guy's not coming, or you're dropping someone
Speaker 2: and you have someone do something, then it confuses their protection.
Speaker 2: And that's when guys come out free.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the quarterback throws pick, I mean Rob pick
Speaker 1: against Peyton. Yeah, you know, I dropped them. That was
Speaker 1: a sim But the thing that was happening was I
Speaker 1: was doing all of sub defense in this in this timeline,
Speaker 1: but I was using three four principles. So in three
Speaker 1: four you got the three down, but you don't know
Speaker 1: where the fourth rushers coming from, and so it was
Speaker 1: just calls on the field based on formation and things
Speaker 1: like that. So I just took that principle and I
Speaker 1: basically went to two four defense. So the two defensive
Speaker 1: tackles because I had Rob on the left, Chan was
Speaker 1: on the right, but then Chan got hurt. You know,
Speaker 1: when we bring in a key marriage who's another outside
Speaker 1: linebacker type. So it was like I had four backers
Speaker 1: on the field. Now I've got Jamie and High behind
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. And I realized, hey, when the
Speaker 1: protection slide's going here the he's got a block Jamie
Speaker 1: or High Tower. So I was like, look, just make
Speaker 1: a call drop him. He knows what the drop is
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Just switch it on the field, you go
Speaker 1: run over the back and go, you know, get the quarterback.
Speaker 1: So we just created all of the on field communication
Speaker 1: calls really out of a two four system is what
Speaker 1: it was. And then you know eventually that because you
Speaker 1: have to have run fits on all this, you know,
Speaker 1: I moved the defensive tackle on the weak side. He
Speaker 1: started from like a shade to a two wide to
Speaker 1: a two and then eventually two threes. You know, through
Speaker 1: thirteen what we had Tleeb who changed the coverage. So
Speaker 1: now we go from a two and a three team
Speaker 1: to really a cover one team man middlefield, safety, help zone, middlefield,
Speaker 1: but lock it up on the backside with him. You know,
Speaker 1: Rebus comes in in fourteen, the defense takes another real
Speaker 1: kind of progression to five down looks.
Speaker 2: We had all the six.
Speaker 1: Uplooks at double muggs, all that was in there from
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, So I just used all those
Speaker 1: and then the five down looks where I could reduce
Speaker 1: Chandler walk now Jamie and high up on the edge
Speaker 1: because now they had to go five down protection. Now
Speaker 1: I'm setting the other one through the middle because now
Speaker 1: he's back on the back. I'm using the same rush
Speaker 1: calls to just drop whoever I wanted to. So they
Speaker 1: had like four different looks and we're just messing with
Speaker 1: the front, moving the coverage behind it, and just evolving
Speaker 1: the defense. We get to the Super Bowl, we're playing
Speaker 1: a lot of five down but now I've got the
Speaker 1: quarterback readoption, so I kick both of the tackles out
Speaker 1: to three techniques. We go into you know, we call
Speaker 1: like ball and chain, where now I'm sending the linebacker
Speaker 1: through the middle and the other guy's rapping fast over
Speaker 1: the top. So that's how that stopped that whole.
Speaker 2: Run system them.
Speaker 1: You know in the Super Bowl, which one the Seattle fourteen,
Speaker 1: and then by the time we get to fifteen, we're
Speaker 1: running that. We had some injuries, we get to sixteen.
Speaker 1: Now we're more five down and then six up. Looks
Speaker 1: you know, branch, We're just we just kept evolving, you know,
Speaker 1: and just it.
Speaker 2: Was always when we started being like me because the league,
Speaker 2: the offenses were changing. Yeah, like this game, we're all twelve.
Speaker 2: By the time of the end of my career, we
Speaker 2: were having like seven dbs on the fucking field. Yep,
Speaker 2: you know, because the game has changed that much from
Speaker 2: you know, Space Game eleven personnel. Now there's four wides groups.
Speaker 2: But if we see, if we all take a real
Speaker 2: look at all the dominant teams, they're all still using
Speaker 2: the old ship. Yeah, because it goes and flows now
Speaker 2: everyone you know, the fullbacks coming back where you could
Speaker 2: blow up these small linebackas defense.
Speaker 1: So when you put twenty one in the field, what
Speaker 1: was happening is your three calls? Yeah, you just don't
Speaker 1: have the time during the week, so you know, offensively,
Speaker 1: Hey we put this unit out there, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: one of three calls. All well, let's get our keys.
Speaker 1: We know how we're gonna attack this. You know, you
Speaker 1: stay in eleven. You let us run our sub packages.
Speaker 1: You have could be four down, it could be six up.
Speaker 1: It could be five down, it could be odd spacing,
Speaker 1: we could be in a buck. Look, you know you
Speaker 1: have all those plus all the disguises behind it that
Speaker 1: we were using, and the on the field because we
Speaker 1: had smart players on the field. Calls where we're swapping
Speaker 1: and switching, that's a lot. That's a lot to deal with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we drafted. We drafted the one, I mean,
Speaker 2: Jamie Collins, high tow so.
Speaker 1: Just all those guys I kept, you know, we drafted
Speaker 1: Chandler Syracuse guy. I was like, you know, we drafted
Speaker 1: pass rusher finally, but then I loved Dante like I was,
Speaker 1: you know, he was the guy just washing on tape.
Speaker 1: And again there was there was there was an outside
Speaker 1: linebacker from Alabama that was getting all the press swept.
Speaker 2: We went to Baltimore, but I loved high like. I
Speaker 2: was like, Hi, I will be the next signal caller.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the guy stands in front of the
Speaker 1: huddle and he's gonna be the guy I talked to.
Speaker 1: And he could play on the edge, you could play
Speaker 1: like the versatility guys. Because then I got van neyd
Speaker 1: right and he was another versatility guy. Or you know,
Speaker 1: I just kept getting again we'd get however we could.
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, what's the role, what can
Speaker 1: they do? How can they get on the field. How
Speaker 1: does it help us win? And that was so fun
Speaker 1: about the creativity. I got Steph so we could stay
Speaker 1: in more of the lock up stuff with him. We
Speaker 1: could push coverage, we could have help. Devon was in
Speaker 1: the deep part of the field. Pat was Pat Chung
Speaker 1: was the key to all of it, you know, playing
Speaker 1: the safety position, and we could you know, just keep
Speaker 1: working around whatever pieces we had.
Speaker 2: And that was the fun.
Speaker 1: Like that just it was so much fun to like
Speaker 1: do that stuff and then create and we would you know,
Speaker 1: we do all those buttz pick up stuff before practice.
Speaker 1: So I'd be trying stuff out against the offense and
Speaker 1: you know, everybody get all mad and were like this
Speaker 1: is what are we seeing. I'm like, well, if you.
Speaker 2: Can't pick it up, then I think's probably gonna work.
Speaker 2: Walk through.
Speaker 1: This is the worst one. The worst one was were
Speaker 1: Mayo so I called I called double Mug. He walks
Speaker 1: up inside. I forgot who the other inside backer was
Speaker 1: and Rob's on one side, chains on the other outside
Speaker 1: and it was it was Josh Gooje. So we're we're
Speaker 1: doing the right pre practice and so make a protection call.
Speaker 1: So Mayo looks at Rob and goes switch. So they switch.
Speaker 1: Mayo walks up outside, Rob comes inside. So now the
Speaker 1: offense is changing it again, right, So now Rob switches inside.
Speaker 1: So we changed it again on offense and then I
Speaker 1: looked at Mayo and I go, you know, it's like chaos,
Speaker 1: like move it all. So Mao flips everybody. So Mayo
Speaker 1: goes outside, the chandler goes inside. Rob goes back outside,
Speaker 1: like all four And it was like a three hour argument.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gooje and.
Speaker 1: Josh on how they were going to pick it up.
Speaker 1: And honestly, we didn't do anything, like we're just down operation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're you're you're practicing communication and that's like
Speaker 2: eighty percent of defense is community being able tonicate of
Speaker 2: the most athletic dudes on the field. But I always
Speaker 2: say they're the dumbest guys. I know, dumbest guys.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Here we go again, you know, I mean locking combo.
Speaker 2: The receiver on the fucking field that doesn't play dB
Speaker 2: did the right call, and the guy who plays it
Speaker 2: for a lot of living and making lots of money
Speaker 2: didn't get the call like it just.
Speaker 1: Just run a step. I mean, if you've been running
Speaker 1: that since you're in third grade, exactly, very well.
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Speaker 2: walk us through the Malcolm Butler situation? Yea, the interception
Speaker 2: in in fourteen on the Super Bowl, that whole sequence
Speaker 2: of plays and what do you got on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously you're talking about great games, and certainly
Speaker 1: the eleven Baltimore team and and the Y and all
Speaker 1: of it. That's why I love that one. And obviously
Speaker 1: you so I thought that'd be a great one. But
Speaker 1: you know these the fourteen game, the sixteen game, you know,
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. There's there's some crazy, crazy stuff that
Speaker 1: just happened in those games. And the thing about the
Speaker 1: fourteen Super Bowl with Seattle. So going back to around
Speaker 1: this time, really when I took over the defense eleven
Speaker 1: and ten, they would come to me every training camp
Speaker 1: and again in the Bible had all the calls and
Speaker 1: he'd be like, hey, it's like we really every training
Speaker 1: camp hey, when are we putting goal line three corner in?
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, yeah, we got to get that in.
Speaker 1: We gotta get I'm like, we're never gonna run goal
Speaker 1: line three corner like it's eleven personnel, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: doing it, like they're gonna throw, like it's just the
Speaker 1: whole thing. So for years I was like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: going at like we never got it in. So as
Speaker 1: soon as we win the championship game and I'm like
Speaker 1: I knew we were playing Seattle and walked into the
Speaker 1: defensive staff from I go, you're not gonna believe I'm
Speaker 1: about to say, and they're like what And I'm like,
Speaker 1: we got to put goal line three corner in And
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about. I'm like, we're
Speaker 1: gonna need this call in this game. I'm just telling you, like,
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't go eleven personnel and not have
Speaker 1: as much mass on the field. I'm like, we got
Speaker 1: to figure this out. So I knew like that Monday
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, there's no way you're gonna call this,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just telling you we're gonna need
Speaker 1: this call, So start drawing it up.
Speaker 2: Going through the card.
Speaker 1: I think you need the call because I knew that
Speaker 1: no one had seen it.
Speaker 2: We hadn't run it. We hadn't run this call. Need
Speaker 2: that call.
Speaker 1: Just eleven personnel inside the three yard line trying to
Speaker 1: be able to stop Lynch the quarterback run game, the
Speaker 1: receivers that are on the field if you were going
Speaker 1: to go sub defense on the two yard line, Like
Speaker 1: just too much space. There's just too much space. Like
Speaker 1: he's just he's too good. Remember, like I played Lynch
Speaker 1: for a lot of years. When he's at Buffalo, like
Speaker 1: my happiest day. When Buffalo sent him to Seattle, I
Speaker 1: was like thank like m send flowers to Buffalo, like
Speaker 1: get him out of because this guy is unstoppable. I'm
Speaker 1: like that guy was so good, so good. So I
Speaker 1: just needed to have enough size to stop the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage from moving. And I couldn't give up any space.
Speaker 1: And I also knew that no one had seen it,
Speaker 1: and it was going to be one of those calls
Speaker 1: where I was gonna make them pay, like they were
Speaker 1: gonna panic. I wasn't sure what they're gonna do. We knew,
Speaker 1: you know that they would have a check, which they did.
Speaker 1: We knew we'd kind of get him into that throw
Speaker 1: the rubb route. So we get we probably, I draw
Speaker 1: it all up, I get it ready to go. We
Speaker 1: go down. I remember we practiced like three days before
Speaker 1: we leave, and then we go and I kind of
Speaker 1: told everybody, I'm like, look, we're gonna put this in
Speaker 1: as soon as we get down there. But I wanted
Speaker 1: the week to really work through all the problems, like
Speaker 1: that's just kind of my problem solving. I wasn't gonna
Speaker 1: give it to the guys and then change it. So
Speaker 1: we get down to Arizona, and you know, I put
Speaker 1: it in and I kind of had the guys in
Speaker 1: the right spot that I thought. We practiced it. Now,
Speaker 1: we ran that pick route. We ran it like and
Speaker 1: of course, of course we're into the cards, but like
Speaker 1: we that was like one of those cards like we
Speaker 1: need to see.
Speaker 2: This card, like this is this is voices.
Speaker 1: We did, and the thing was everybody saw it, like
Speaker 1: it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it. We
Speaker 1: ran all the combinations. So we get into the game,
Speaker 1: or we get we get to the end of the
Speaker 1: week of practice and I looked at it and I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't there something here. I don't really
Speaker 1: like I need to move, you know. I switched Jamie.
Speaker 1: I switched him, I switched high. I kind of moved
Speaker 1: somebody up and I kind of switched it. After we
Speaker 1: practiced it like the last day and we kind of
Speaker 1: just walked through it, and I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: because it was really about stopping the run. It was
Speaker 1: going to stop the run, and really the combination with
Speaker 1: it to that side was the snack m flat. I
Speaker 1: didn't worry about the other side because we knew what that.
Speaker 2: Was, so practice it changed it.
Speaker 1: At the last minute, I was like, okay, like it's ready,
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna need this. And it's literally written,
Speaker 1: it's like three letters in the bottom right hand corner
Speaker 1: of the call sheet. It's like the most tiniest call
Speaker 1: on the sheet. So beginning of the game, we had
Speaker 1: talked about how tough this game was going to be.
Speaker 1: The first play of the game is my favorite play
Speaker 1: of the game. Like you watched the defensive guys because
Speaker 1: we knew their offensive line looked to clean clean the pile.
Speaker 1: So as soon as Lunch got the ball, they were
Speaker 1: coming to take people out. And I was like, look,
Speaker 1: we're gonna taggle this dude in the first play of
Speaker 1: the game. I'm like, but as soon as he's down,
Speaker 1: everybody else go find someone, Go find someone, and go
Speaker 1: knock their heads off because they're not doing that to us.
Speaker 1: And to the point of like one of my favorite
Speaker 1: compliments of all time, and it was probably in the
Speaker 1: twelve era, was Chris Berman, who's a great guy, great friend,
Speaker 1: came up to me and he goes, he said to me,
Speaker 1: he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL,
Speaker 1: And I was like, if our corners tackled a high level,
Speaker 1: the whole team's going to tackle a high level. I
Speaker 1: just I took so much pride in that. So in
Speaker 1: that first player of the Super Bowl and fourteen, we
Speaker 1: tackle inch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take
Speaker 1: dudes out, and like Revis is like taking He's going
Speaker 1: to get like one of the biggest linemen, you know,
Speaker 1: the tackles that had that's coming. So I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: like we're on this right, Like we're we're coming. So
Speaker 1: we get into the second half and you know, going
Speaker 1: into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right
Speaker 1: and they scored right before half.
Speaker 2: I was I was hot, it was hot. This was bad.
Speaker 1: There's a bad series of bad play. So I am literally,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm, I'm like, we're changing, like I'm
Speaker 1: switching some guys up. Malcolm is gonna come in the
Speaker 1: whole deal. So get into the second half and they
Speaker 1: have It was kind of back and forth right like
Speaker 1: they were moving, we were moving. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the defenses in the Super Bowl get worn out.
Speaker 2: It's just what happens.
Speaker 1: You know, if you can control it early, you have
Speaker 1: a chance. But you know, if you're playing like those
Speaker 1: games are long, and if you're moving the ball ear
Speaker 1: in the first half, the second half, you're worried about,
Speaker 1: you know, how well is the defense gonna hold up.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be, you know, be a shootout. So both
Speaker 1: teams are moving the ball and I was like, ah, man,
Speaker 1: this is this is We got to get one stop
Speaker 1: in the red area, will be okay. So it's a
Speaker 1: series going away from you know, like the last play
Speaker 1: of the game is the left the series going to
Speaker 1: the right end zone and.
Speaker 2: Third and two.
Speaker 1: So I call I call call one of our one
Speaker 1: of the stackbacker left. So The idea of the call was,
Speaker 1: we're gonna walk up on the edge the defensive end
Speaker 1: who's now in Ninkovic. He's gonna crash down hard and
Speaker 1: he's gonna take out Lynch, and then the backer's coming
Speaker 1: off for the quarterback. So call stackbacker left third and two.
Speaker 1: Rob goes in and nails Lynch and we stop them
Speaker 1: on third and two. So I was like, we just
Speaker 1: stopped on a nickel defense really two yards giving the
Speaker 1: ball a Lynch Like, that's pretty So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's gonna change. They're gonna that's gonna change what they're
Speaker 1: doing right now. So we get the last drive they hit.
Speaker 1: You know, they're coming down. They hit the big play
Speaker 1: down the far sideline. It's on the opposite side the
Speaker 1: rule chain, you know, Dron jumps over the pile, it falls,
Speaker 1: he catches it. Now again, I'm sitting here twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: seven years later in the same stadium in the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl where David Tyree, when I coached in college, who
Speaker 1: was a special team didn't catch anything in college, catches
Speaker 1: this thing right, and I'm like, holyf did that just
Speaker 1: happened again?
Speaker 2: I was like I was just like I was on
Speaker 2: the scene. We're talking about the scene where he tipped
Speaker 2: it and Curse ended up doing it back Malcolm. Malcolm's great.
Speaker 1: There's a great play that Malcolm makes on a third
Speaker 1: down earlier where he goes up and through the pocket
Speaker 1: and then rips the near hand and gets the ball
Speaker 1: out there. There's a big play in that game earlier
Speaker 1: to kind of get him off the field to get
Speaker 1: the ball back to the offense. But so now they
Speaker 1: line up on them. I click in the high. I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're gonna run it. Man Like I'm looking at High's.
Speaker 2: Got one arm.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're gonna run it. We were stuck in
Speaker 1: the defense, and he makes it. I saw an unbelievable tackle,
Speaker 1: unbelievablet tackle, one arm gets him down. So now the
Speaker 1: clock is moving, so I know the situation and so this,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those moments where really like
Speaker 1: the like life slowed down for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: exactly how long the seconds were, but for me, it
Speaker 1: felt like a half hour. So I know the call
Speaker 1: I want to make. I'm hearing eleven personnel going in
Speaker 1: the game, and I slide over next to Bill because
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't gonna put it out there and
Speaker 1: let them call time out. I didn't want them to
Speaker 1: see no one had seen this. And then so I
Speaker 1: slided it next to the Bill and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you calling the timeout?
Speaker 2: And he's staring.
Speaker 1: He's just staring across the field and I'm like, Bill,
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you calling the timeout? And he's not
Speaker 1: saying anything to me. And I was like, hey, I go,
Speaker 1: I need to know because I'm not putting this out there.
Speaker 1: Are you calling the time out? And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just make your call. And I was like okay, so
Speaker 1: I click out. I'm like, hey, go line three corner,
Speaker 1: get it out. Make sure we got Malcolm. So like
Speaker 1: they're all I'm down with Bill. Everyone's out down on
Speaker 1: the sideline, so flow out her flow. He's he's like
Speaker 1: screaming because we had changed the coverages. So like later,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to Bill and I was like,
Speaker 1: what were you watching? He's like, well, I was watching Pete.
Speaker 1: He's like, and I'm watching their offense, trying to figure
Speaker 1: out like they put the personnel, could they sub He's
Speaker 1: watching and then once we put goal line, he knew
Speaker 1: we subbed it so late they weren't going to be
Speaker 1: able to change. They were going to go to the check.
Speaker 1: So we were just waiting it out to see who
Speaker 1: could get it out there last. And I was like,
Speaker 1: cause the hemlic communication shuts off, so they weren't gonna
Speaker 1: be able to check the play to Russ. So we
Speaker 1: get goal lines, so they just see goal. We're signaling
Speaker 1: goal line, so they goal line is going out well
Speaker 1: automatically to them, They're like, all right, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: throw it. Wait, I have like six thousand pounds of
Speaker 1: flesh like sitting there. I have like Chandler Jones, Dante
Speaker 1: high Tower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince. This is like an
Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler out there. Like you know, I understand, like
Speaker 1: just give the ball to Lynch, but like we had
Speaker 1: just stopped him on Like these are like some of
Speaker 1: the best players in the NFL right there. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna panic, They're gonna throw it.
Speaker 1: I was worried about the snacks of them flat so
Speaker 1: that was built. So I watched them build. So I'm
Speaker 1: watching in my end, I'm watching the left side, and
Speaker 1: I'm like watching him build. They bring the receiver over you.
Speaker 2: I'm I think you think that the brub was is
Speaker 2: all good?
Speaker 1: I just we're good on the rub. Like, they're gonna
Speaker 1: go to the snack seven flat. They guy to have
Speaker 1: a play to the other side. They're gonna pick the linebacker.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so I'm on with high. I got hey,
Speaker 1: make sure you don't get picked here. I'm like, Lynch
Speaker 1: is going to you know, this is gonna be snacks
Speaker 1: him flat to your to your side. So I'm watching
Speaker 1: the left side of the offensive the right side of
Speaker 1: the defense, and all snapped and I look and its
Speaker 1: snags of him flat and we get picked. Chandler's peeling
Speaker 1: late because he had the peel call he had from
Speaker 1: the high time. I'm like, give Chan the call. So
Speaker 1: Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw, I
Speaker 1: was like, this is gonna be a touchdown. And I
Speaker 1: look and I'm like and then they picked the linebacker.
Speaker 1: So I'm on the headset and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: here we go. I'm like, all right, it's not the run.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get the snack seven flat.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, they picked him. And then
Speaker 1: everyone starts screaming. They're like, no, he picked it, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, who picked what? I didn't see the play.
Speaker 1: I didn't even see the player on the other side.
Speaker 1: I was so worried because the guy's opened in the flat.
Speaker 1: So everyone's going crazy and I'm like what, I don't
Speaker 1: even know what. I'm like, what happened? Obviously, the best
Speaker 1: part of the story is Browner.
Speaker 2: What I love.
Speaker 1: Browner is the one who we're going in half. He's like,
Speaker 1: Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here,
Speaker 1: put them there, put them there right, So it'd be
Speaker 1: a good coach. The best thing you can do is
Speaker 1: just listen to your best player, listen to your smart players.
Speaker 1: So that was the matchups that we did. But when
Speaker 1: they built the stack, you know, Browner looks at Malcolm
Speaker 1: and goes, listen, I'm gonna choke the shit out of him.
Speaker 2: You just go.
Speaker 1: And if you watch the play, Browner's he's literally got
Speaker 1: his hands around his neck. Yeah, and he's and he's
Speaker 1: and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any
Speaker 1: of that. I'm like, we got picked everyone, and everyone's like, no,
Speaker 1: you picked it. I'm like, who, I didn't even know
Speaker 1: we had the ball, so that was like chaos is
Speaker 1: going on. So now again I'm nervous because I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Thelock'm like, oh my god, I'm like where the
Speaker 1: balls like on the inch line here, like there's right.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, they're gonna get the ball back.
Speaker 2: There's up.
Speaker 1: I'm going through situational plays. No one wants to listen
Speaker 1: to me because I'm like, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 1: What are we putting out there? Because I'm panicked, like
Speaker 1: we're gonna be back on the field and obviously, you know,
Speaker 1: we get the thing and the games, and and I
Speaker 1: turn around and Revis is running at me and he
Speaker 1: jumps and I like catch him, like do you know thick.
Speaker 2: He's so he's his little this is what he was
Speaker 2: so good. He was so strong, so he bent.
Speaker 1: He cracks my back. So the end of Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: I cracked my back like in the celebration because he
Speaker 1: jumps up on me.
Speaker 2: I didn't care, Like who cares? Who cares? Right, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You know, Stevie B's running around me like like he
Speaker 1: like everybody's freaking out. It was like amazing. Malcolm still
Speaker 1: crying and it was like yeah. It was like total
Speaker 1: chaos and my best my best play if you watch,
Speaker 1: if you watch the coaches copy of that tape, if
Speaker 1: you watch the end zone copy, because again we had
Speaker 1: the extended end zone because we watched the celebration and
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the back of the end zone
Speaker 1: is the Seattle Man, Scott. It's my favorite thing in
Speaker 1: the whole world. He's standing there and you can see
Speaker 1: him as as right before the snap, seems like you can.
Speaker 2: Just see, like, you know, his face. His expression is
Speaker 2: the change. You see.
Speaker 1: We're about the back, we're about the hands, think the lynch,
Speaker 1: we're about to like score here we and they snapped
Speaker 1: the ball and you see him freeze and then the
Speaker 1: ball's picked and he just takes his hands and he
Speaker 1: puts his hand on the front of his beak and
Speaker 1: he stands there like and he doesn't move and you
Speaker 1: could just see him like, what the hell just happened.
Speaker 1: It's the funniest ship ever. I'm just telling you, it's hysterical.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't move, like there's chaos going on. He
Speaker 1: doesn't move for like five minutes. He's just standing there.
Speaker 1: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: But you know what's crazy, Cot That's not the first
Speaker 2: time a coach has has pointed out a standing. Oh,
Speaker 2: we watched the stands all the time because they watched
Speaker 2: so much film, so they sit there chatty l would
Speaker 2: come in there, like, look at this guy. Beer on.
Speaker 2: This guy my favorite. Every year I.
Speaker 1: Would watch every year there's a guy in Buffalo and
Speaker 1: every scoreboard he sits in the right corner of the
Speaker 1: stadium and it would be the middle of December. He's
Speaker 1: got no shirt on, he's got a big beer belly,
Speaker 1: and he looks kind of like, you know, he's got
Speaker 1: long gray hair. So I'm like, and he's every year
Speaker 1: he's there and I always check. I'm like, he's still
Speaker 1: there and no shirt.
Speaker 2: It's middle, you know.
Speaker 1: Or the in New Orleans where the scoreboard there'd always
Speaker 1: be a crew that and Halloween would dress in costumes
Speaker 1: instead above the score so you just you just you
Speaker 1: look always but the mascot and the.
Speaker 2: End zone of that thing.
Speaker 1: It's really we had an extension. It's one of the
Speaker 1: most amazing things. But that was that play, how that
Speaker 1: was put together, the game, the halftime, the fact that
Speaker 1: it was like I can't believe we're gonna install this.
Speaker 1: This is like six years he'd been asking. H'm like, nope,
Speaker 1: here does we need it?
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have it right now and put that in
Speaker 1: a week and have that thing go out.
Speaker 2: Was that was crazy.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that whole defensive year like give that, like
Speaker 1: Vince wilf work and I sat down because you know, look,
Speaker 1: he wanted to win again like he was and he
Speaker 1: was unbelievable man. His leadership is guidance of like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's do this, like we you know, give the defensive
Speaker 1: guys a book we read, you know, Legacy the All Blacks,
Speaker 1: and we put all our words together and just kind
Speaker 1: of like all the way through the season, you know,
Speaker 1: the night before the Super Bowl I kind of read
Speaker 1: it to the defense again and like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: what we said we're gonna do. And you know, when
Speaker 1: you win the Super Bowl, Yeah, I think that was
Speaker 1: the year. I kind of told him, like the trophy,
Speaker 1: you know what, it's like the hold the trophy, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's heavy at the top, and it was
Speaker 1: kind of like the thing the story, and I explained
Speaker 1: to him how you know, and when we won and
Speaker 1: you know, four and being able to hold the Trophy
Speaker 1: and what that's like, and just all of that expression
Speaker 1: into and and Vince leading the charge, and then you know,
Speaker 1: we tell him like you win a super Bowl, like
Speaker 1: you're bonded for life, Like you're bonded for life, Like
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you are when it is, anybody
Speaker 1: on those teams call you, you are bonded for life.
Speaker 1: I have a great picture of you. I was actually
Speaker 1: just looking at the other day. It's you and Rob
Speaker 1: and Chan after the White House. You guys are walking
Speaker 1: down the side of the bus. It's just three of you,
Speaker 1: and I just snapped it, you know. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think you got to lip her out to here and like,
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole deal. We've just been in
Speaker 1: the way and it's like it's the coolest shit ever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, But that that play the time, it was
Speaker 1: just one of those moments in life where just time stopped. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just like here we go and we're gonna, we're gonna,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. It's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 2: It just hit me. Two of the last couple plays,
Speaker 2: one on defense and one on offense, other than the
Speaker 2: when we were running out the clock where adjustments added
Speaker 2: after practices after all our prep was done. My my
Speaker 2: return route, yeah right, that was We added that on
Speaker 2: Saturday night in the hotel goal line, going on three corner,
Speaker 2: three corner added after practice, Like, had to adjust it.
Speaker 2: But that's that. That shows you how smart are our
Speaker 2: coaches were to understand that we needed to put that
Speaker 2: in and how smart the players were to be able
Speaker 2: to execute it without a rep of practice. That's right.
Speaker 2: It's not us, it's you guys. It's the head, you know,
Speaker 2: knowing that you know we may need this and it
Speaker 2: comes down to it. You know that happened a lot
Speaker 2: of times in my career.
Speaker 1: How fast you guys process and put that stuff together, man, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing. Like I just you know, like, look,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just lucky to be there and kind of
Speaker 1: help and do whatever I can to give you guys
Speaker 1: a chance to go play and execute. But watch you
Speaker 1: guys do that up quose man, that is that is
Speaker 1: a treat that you know I'll have with me forever.
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Speaker 1: I just remember one of the things annowing on. Like
Speaker 1: you listen to a lot of like coaches, right and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey's in the barn. And I used
Speaker 1: to walk in and be like, listen, there's no hay,
Speaker 1: there's no barn. Like we are working until we win,
Speaker 1: and we will keep working until the game is over
Speaker 1: and we have one.
Speaker 2: That is it.
Speaker 1: And that was just the mindset that we always had.
Speaker 2: Now I can see that for the coaches, but sometimes
Speaker 2: you have to put that. You have to say that
Speaker 2: to the player. Yeah, because the physical work. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: mental work, that's pizza Friday. We're good pizza Fridays. Physical work,
Speaker 2: but that.
Speaker 1: Was pizza Friday. Friday was shutting it down. But we
Speaker 1: always you guys, you guys, listen your The edge that
Speaker 1: you guys had is that you did keep working from
Speaker 1: the time like everyone most teams Friday at one o'clock
Speaker 1: they're out, nobody's home, Like that's forty eight hours before
Speaker 1: the game. You guys stayed sharp all the way up
Speaker 1: into the game. And that's the walkers in the hotel.
Speaker 1: Like I know I watched, like you know, the walkers
Speaker 1: in the hotels the meeting. Look, we all tried to
Speaker 1: do it in a different ways. Sometimes it was a
Speaker 1: meeting and we just rolled through calls. But the sharpness
Speaker 1: that you guys were going to the game, the confidence
Speaker 1: of that instilled that you guys brought to the table unbelievable. Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I always say it, you know, like
Speaker 2: the Patriot way with everyone else. What is that? I go, Well,
Speaker 2: you know, the coaches had a template, they had the laws,
Speaker 2: and they picked certain players to be sheriff to go
Speaker 2: make those laws enforced.
Speaker 1: You know. Was really easy for us though, was if
Speaker 1: you like I would stand back all the time and
Speaker 1: I would watch Bill, or I'd watch it, I'd say
Speaker 1: the bill. I would watch the team and be like
Speaker 1: it was it was a herd, right. The team moved
Speaker 1: in a herd, and every once in a while you'd
Speaker 1: look and you'd see, like, man, that guy's not in
Speaker 1: the herd anymore, Like.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 1: And if you just watched the team, you guys told
Speaker 1: us everything we need to know on who you trusted
Speaker 1: and who could go out on the field and help
Speaker 1: us win. If you just watched, you guys did it
Speaker 1: probably without even knowing it. But if you just watched,
Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, we're really good here, Like we
Speaker 1: got to look at that. There's something off over there.
Speaker 2: So by twenty fourteen crazy, the twenty sixteen the high
Speaker 2: tower sack. What do you get on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean same call, isn't that crazy? Stackbacker left?
Speaker 1: Same call I just talked about with Nikovic. It was
Speaker 1: the same call.
Speaker 2: But let me go back. So this is this is
Speaker 2: you so.
Speaker 1: Obviously, so we're't allowed to five down. We're playing, you know,
Speaker 1: really good offense. It's coming at as fast we're we're
Speaker 1: struggling on defense.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is one of the highest scoring offenses
Speaker 2: in the history of the league.
Speaker 1: Offensive MVP, best coordinator with Channy, you know, like coordinator
Speaker 1: of the year everything, Yeah, lost, Okay, so coordinator of
Speaker 1: the year, best off you know all this stuff. Right, So,
Speaker 1: so off the first half isn't going good. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make adjustments. It's it's long and then this is
Speaker 1: another one of those weird things. Right. So the night
Speaker 1: before the game, you know, we got extra time, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, let's watch this game. Let's watch this game.
Speaker 1: Let's watch this game. So I had watched the Chargers game,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to show this game.
Speaker 1: So it was the night before the game. I sat
Speaker 1: down with the defense and I said, listen, I go,
Speaker 1: this this offense can score points. I go. But if
Speaker 1: we just play the game all the way out, I go,
Speaker 1: we'll be okay. Look at this game. So the Chargers
Speaker 1: in that year got down early, they got down big.
Speaker 1: But as you watched the Atlanta to Atlanta, as you
Speaker 1: watched the game, they just started chipping away second half,
Speaker 1: chipping away, chipping away, and then they scored, and then
Speaker 1: they stopped them and then they turned the ball over.
Speaker 1: And he got all the way down to the end
Speaker 1: of the game and the Chargers actually kicked the field
Speaker 1: go and won the game. It came back from him,
Speaker 1: was like it was a big deficity. It was good,
Speaker 1: kind of like I was like, I'm gonna show this game.
Speaker 1: So I remember, you know, before the the first half ended,
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I need to we gotta
Speaker 1: go in this locker room. We got to remind everybody
Speaker 1: like we're okay here. Then other half of this game,
Speaker 1: and we've we just saw on tape how they you know,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a window here. So we go in
Speaker 1: the locker room. First thing, you know, you do because
Speaker 1: the halftime is longer. I'm like, all right, everybody, do
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Take a couple of seconds, and
Speaker 1: I just got the defense. I said, listen, here's what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I'm like, Julio is ridiculous. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: we had the whole like, oh, he's injured. He can't
Speaker 1: play it off his right foot. He's only gonna be
Speaker 1: able to break left.
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, no, he could break wherever you wanted to.
Speaker 1: So we had to because I was cheating alignments based
Speaker 1: on that injury information. I was like, don't worry about it,
Speaker 1: we're going And then again, you know, we meged the
Speaker 1: backside of cover two.
Speaker 2: We undercut him.
Speaker 1: I think it was Logan and he reached up over
Speaker 1: the top of Logan and took the cut and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, a problem. So yeah, so that
Speaker 1: was in the first half, was like first series of
Speaker 1: the game or whatever. So we go into the locker
Speaker 1: room and said, listen, we're going to all the red
Speaker 1: area calls. I said, I'm just I'm gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: play the red area calls. These are the calls we're
Speaker 1: gonna do. Went through the staff, go back to the players,
Speaker 1: and I said, fellas, listen, I go, first of all,
Speaker 1: first half, here's the issues.
Speaker 2: This is what happened.
Speaker 1: I go, remember what we watched last night. I was
Speaker 1: like the Charger game. I'm like, we're going to come
Speaker 1: back and win this thing. I'm like, we are gonna
Speaker 1: be fine. Like we just go play every single down.
Speaker 2: We got it.
Speaker 1: We put ourselves in a hole, but we got to
Speaker 1: play every single snap. These are the calls we're gonna make.
Speaker 1: I go, you gotta believe right now because we're going
Speaker 1: to do this. And what was happening was Doran was
Speaker 1: on the bike. You remember this, No, Douran was on
Speaker 1: the bike and he was trying to stay warm. And
Speaker 1: so I let the players, you know, I get down
Speaker 1: my meeting and players going to the coaches and Duran
Speaker 1: starts chirping.
Speaker 2: He starts chirping.
Speaker 1: He's like, we got it, like he just I just
Speaker 1: And I was like you could feel the energy and
Speaker 1: you could feel the belief. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you come in and you're like we gotta go, and
Speaker 1: you start chirping with Duran and you guys are chirping
Speaker 1: back and forth, and the energy's building and I remember
Speaker 1: walking out, I was like, holy fu, we're gonna win
Speaker 1: this game. And I just I just because I don't
Speaker 1: know where you came from. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: were on our side, and Duran was like chirping, and
Speaker 1: it was like you two are chirping at each other,
Speaker 1: and it was almost like, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: were trying to pump us up or he was trying
Speaker 1: to pump you up or whatever it was, but it
Speaker 1: was just it built.
Speaker 2: And I was like.
Speaker 1: I walked down, I was like, holy shit, we're gonna
Speaker 1: win this game. And I told him before we went out,
Speaker 1: I said, here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna get a
Speaker 1: negative play.
Speaker 2: On the first run.
Speaker 1: They're gonna run the ball. I'm like, Hi, if they
Speaker 1: run it at you, this is a TfL. I'm like,
Speaker 1: if a first start down, they're not gonna throw, We're
Speaker 1: gonna double over here, it's coming backside. It'll be three
Speaker 1: by one. You gotta make the play, and it was.
Speaker 1: Eric made the play on the backside. So the very
Speaker 1: first year they had the ball TfL, in the first
Speaker 1: play they run it.
Speaker 2: The high.
Speaker 1: Third down, they throw it to Eric was like third
Speaker 1: and long because we had put him in long yard situation.
Speaker 1: We break it up and coming side and I go,
Speaker 1: here we go, it's gonna happen. So we go through
Speaker 1: the game, and what happened was the series. They're going
Speaker 1: left or right, so they're going that way in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Second down run. Coleman is in the game.
Speaker 1: Coleman was the third down back. Yeah, Freeman was early
Speaker 1: down back. So Coleman comes in, hands it off and
Speaker 1: I look and he's on the ground and he's injured,
Speaker 1: screwed up his ankle.
Speaker 2: And I remember watching. I was like, it's third down.
Speaker 2: Coleman's out.
Speaker 1: And I clicked and I said, hey, Hi, I said, Hi, listen,
Speaker 1: I said, Coleman's out, Freeman's in. I go, we're going
Speaker 1: stack back or left. I go, don't show it. I
Speaker 1: go walk late. I go, he'll never see you. I
Speaker 1: go go get the ball, Scoop. We gotta score, bro.
Speaker 1: I go, you got this right now. I just it
Speaker 1: was one of those like Coleman got hurt. It clicked
Speaker 1: in my head. Freeman was in there, he was gonna
Speaker 1: miss the protection. Don't show it, walk up late, we're
Speaker 1: coming right at him and we're about to score. We
Speaker 1: didn't score. I thought we're gonna score, but I was like,
Speaker 1: I just so I'm on with High the whole time.
Speaker 1: I go wait, wait, wait, wait, And I can see
Speaker 1: the quarterback give Freeman the mic point and I can
Speaker 1: see him scan correct because he's got the mic and
Speaker 1: he's got scan and he sees High inside and then Hi,
Speaker 1: he goes outside. I go all the way outside the bunch.
Speaker 1: He walked all way outside the bunch and he comes
Speaker 1: ripping off the edge and I was like, I was like,
Speaker 1: no one even sees him and he stripped it. I
Speaker 1: think Branch recovered it. I was like, I thought we're
Speaker 1: gonna scoop the score. But it was the same call
Speaker 1: as Rob I called in twenty fourteen. Rob stopped him
Speaker 1: on the third and short, and it was just one
Speaker 1: of those things where it was like it just clicked
Speaker 1: in my head. It was like, Freeman's out. You know
Speaker 1: they're not, they're gonn screw up the third down protection.
Speaker 1: Let's go get him. So that was the turnover, which
Speaker 1: really then you know, now we're feeling it.
Speaker 2: Then we had the tree Flowers sack.
Speaker 1: So then later in the game. Now they're driving, they throw.
Speaker 1: Julio's right there. He and I was who I was
Speaker 1: with Julio last year. He's like the best right, And
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, how far out about it?
Speaker 2: Did you reach?
Speaker 1: The little ball is literally ten yards out of bound.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, right, It's I'm in the coaches, it's passed
Speaker 1: me and he catches this thing, and everyone on the
Speaker 1: headside it's like he's out.
Speaker 2: He's out him like literally looking at his feet. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he's not out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, he just caught it.
Speaker 2: So now they're in field goal rangement.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: dev Wick, we got a blitz. So with get the
Speaker 1: TfL And so now it's second along. So everyone's they're
Speaker 1: gonna run again. They're gonna run it again, and some
Speaker 1: of my I was like, they're not gonna run, they're
Speaker 1: gonna throw. And then and I'm arguing. I'm arguing on
Speaker 1: the headsets with Bill. He's like, they're gonna rune it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not gonna run it. I'm like the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Year got off in the corner of
Speaker 1: the year. Like they're throwing the ball over the place,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna throw it again, like they're they're gonna
Speaker 1: get in their own way here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so I called.
Speaker 1: I actually called a three man rush because I wanted
Speaker 1: to have max coverage, but it was a five down look.
Speaker 1: But as they lined up, I look, and now I've
Speaker 1: got one. I got Gaeball was great shirt. He's on
Speaker 1: the outside. But now I'm like, oh shit, it's the
Speaker 1: wheel route. I'm like, oh, I'm like, this is about
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out because I'm like, this is about to
Speaker 1: be a touchdown. And so sure enough back I think
Speaker 1: it was Freeman. He releases. I see Jabal he's peeling
Speaker 1: on the wheel. I was like, oh my, like here
Speaker 1: we go. And Trey just because I put him on
Speaker 1: the nose because of his quickness in his length and
Speaker 1: I knew that they would struggle. Yeah, he had the ankle,
Speaker 1: and I knew he was gonna struggle with the redirect
Speaker 1: and Tray's arms for so long he could get into you,
Speaker 1: and he was skinny, and he just skinnied through and
Speaker 1: he gets in and he saxsmon and I was like,
Speaker 1: he's I mean save. So then what happens is on
Speaker 1: that play, so that one or the next one high
Speaker 1: tower he's on. I think it was long on the
Speaker 1: other side and high Tower gets held, totally buried and
Speaker 1: they didn't call it. And I see Hi talking the
Speaker 1: official and I was like, they're gonna call holding. I
Speaker 1: was like, so I stir down, so I'm like, hey, Hi, Hi,
Speaker 1: go again. So he rushes again, flag comes out. I
Speaker 1: was like, pushes him back and before I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't know how the hell like you just like you
Speaker 1: just see that stuff. So then you know again the
Speaker 1: whole thing was they weren't in control of the game.
Speaker 1: We were controlling the game.
Speaker 2: We were running.
Speaker 1: We were stopping the run now and now we got
Speaker 1: to cover a kick and slate those guys made able
Speaker 1: wile they pin them deep late in the game, and
Speaker 1: I remember clicking on we stopped him on first time.
Speaker 1: Remember clicking on the bill and I go, hey, where
Speaker 1: about to win the Super Bowl? And the craziest rule
Speaker 1: that no one's ever seen before. I'm like, be ready
Speaker 1: for a free kick because I was like, if they
Speaker 1: don't get any more yardage, I'm like, we're gonna fair
Speaker 1: catch this thing. And we're gonna We're gonna win the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. It's gonna be crazy. I think they got
Speaker 1: like seven and put us out, just out of it.
Speaker 1: You know, they kicked it out and.
Speaker 2: I was thinking walk off because I went down to
Speaker 2: return the punt. I was sitting there like, all right, man,
Speaker 2: if I fucking walked this off, man, unbelievable. So so
Speaker 2: then you know, we go to overtime. We tried some
Speaker 2: other ship. Remember we tried the game cock bro, I
Speaker 2: mean blues Hamstring. It was it was like that was
Speaker 2: so bad. Game was like the annexation of Puerto Rico.
Speaker 2: Play for us guy like a bumble Roosky fake Neil
Speaker 2: handed over and fucking that was a crazy game.
Speaker 1: That was crazy.
Speaker 2: So then we win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bananas. I'm so we go through all the sale.
Speaker 1: I get on the bus, right, So I get on
Speaker 1: the bus. Tom Tommy's in the back. It's Josh, Laura, myself, Rina, Bill,
Speaker 1: Tommy's in the back, and I'm literally like, did we win?
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know what happened? And Josh is
Speaker 1: looking at me and goes, hey, bro, goes I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the defense. I didn't see
Speaker 1: one play of the offense. It was because every series
Speaker 1: was like this has to go right in this so
Speaker 1: your catch. I didn't see that till the next day.
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't see any of any of
Speaker 1: that happened during the game. And Josh was like, what
Speaker 1: happened to you?
Speaker 2: And I'm like, bro, we got the stackbacker left call.
Speaker 2: He's like, you should just.
Speaker 1: Catch Julian made and then we ran this and Josh
Speaker 1: and are trying to fill each other in because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we won and Bill. Bill
Speaker 1: turns around and he's like, hey, look, he goes, listen,
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, we got to play these guys
Speaker 1: next year. It's probably gonna be like the first game
Speaker 1: of the year. They'll probably do that. When we get back,
Speaker 1: Let's make sure we write down, like what was good.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even know if we won.
Speaker 1: Bill.
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally on the bus, I'm like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about right now?
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, it was like holy Josh and
Speaker 1: I just looked at you and started laughing. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I don't even know if
Speaker 1: we won the game.
Speaker 2: When was the moment you knew we were gonna win
Speaker 2: fifty one? When when was the real were you saying
Speaker 2: right out of the locker room in halftime? I did,
Speaker 2: I was like, we're gonna win this game. I just
Speaker 2: I was just trying to be a rawer guy. Man,
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a hell of a story bed.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you but you picked the right guy to
Speaker 1: talk to because Doran was in that mode. And I
Speaker 1: mean it, I was so blessed like to be around
Speaker 1: great guys and I mean, it's so many but it
Speaker 1: was like it was unreal. I mean obviously, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, myla, I gotta to bring him up.
Speaker 2: Of course, Italians love Italians.
Speaker 1: The same thing I had with Welker. It was like
Speaker 1: I said it, I was like, we played Welker one
Speaker 1: year at Miami and we don't know Mari who played
Speaker 1: at Syracuse pulls his calf in warm up. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna just pull his calf and then
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm like, Wes Welker is kicking. Wes Welker
Speaker 1: kicked off kickfield goals, extra points caught like one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty yards on me. I was like, we got
Speaker 1: them in the game. I was like, can we trade
Speaker 1: for this guy because I don't think I want to
Speaker 1: cover this guy anymore.
Speaker 2: This guy is Bruce.
Speaker 1: So we traded so the same thing we're getting Amadola.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, I don't want a game plan,
Speaker 1: you man, like, can we just get you over here
Speaker 1: on this side?
Speaker 3: And like you look, they all went out car shop
Speaker 3: and went ahead. The car in the garage already said
Speaker 3: we had we had a good bottle to the real
Speaker 3: car in the garage already in. We're just trying to
Speaker 3: get as many as possible, many as possible.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Ami Dola and I I was I
Speaker 2: love that I wanted to kill you all when you
Speaker 2: signed Amla.
Speaker 1: Do you know how much of a better player?
Speaker 2: I know, but I still wanted to murder you. Good,
Speaker 2: you should. I think that's what Bill like to. Bill
Speaker 2: used to sign me these contracts where he knew it
Speaker 2: was enough to make me satisfied but also enough to
Speaker 2: piss me off. Listen, you and me both. He did
Speaker 2: that with all of us.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like trying to negotiate a coaching contract
Speaker 1: in there. Hey, but I don't I don't think I should.
Speaker 1: She think we should a little bit more here. He's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep your place.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of Bill is like it was more
Speaker 1: intellectual than it was. Like I've been around coaches just
Speaker 1: like forrage. You eventually you're like all right, like I'm good.
Speaker 1: But it was the intellectual mind bombs that would go
Speaker 1: off later and you're like, what did.
Speaker 2: You just say? Yeah he would, you know, you're like
Speaker 2: some of them, what did he say?
Speaker 1: The thing like you guys wouldn't see is like we
Speaker 1: would go on road trips and you know, we'd have
Speaker 1: the bus drivers and stuff, and like everybody be on
Speaker 1: the plane will be out there like giving them cash.
Speaker 1: You know, he'd be like tipping on the bus drivers,
Speaker 1: like making sure that they were okay.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Just that was all the stuff where.
Speaker 2: He has a heart killing I love it, killing me. Bro,
Speaker 2: Let's name the game, Mattie P. Now, these are the
Speaker 2: names that we came up with. Sterling Steel, Sterling Steel Steel.
Speaker 2: See he's a fucking aeronautical instro. Bro, I got it.
Speaker 2: Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2: Let's score it, Matty P. Zero to ten is okay?
Speaker 2: What are the states yeah, I love this game.
Speaker 1: It is an AFC championship game, so it's definitely above
Speaker 1: a seven seven at above a nine because it's not
Speaker 1: a championship game, so I'm probably the eight. What are
Speaker 1: we doing for Deskmalds here?
Speaker 2: They're okay eight point two eight point two? See the
Speaker 2: fucking Matty pe did this guy damn homework? Probably watched
Speaker 2: about fifteen of our shows just the grading Situationally watched
Speaker 2: this show. All Right, he's gonna all right, let me
Speaker 2: see what the intro is like. All right, let me
Speaker 2: see what the interviews like. All right, let's do the
Speaker 2: score segment. Okay, this is what they do in the
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, yeah, Mavericks owner he too much? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say an eight flat eight flat at a
Speaker 2: nine to three at eight? Hi. Hi.
Speaker 1: The other thing about this game, this was a start
Speaker 1: of us turning it around. We had gone through a
Speaker 1: couple of years of rebuilding, and then we had the
Speaker 1: young guys that maybe had a couple of years in.
Speaker 1: We're still gonna add some pieces. We knew we had
Speaker 1: to add some pieces, but it was the start of
Speaker 1: what would become a very long, great, great run. And again,
Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, twenty ten, we
Speaker 1: had a really good defense. Twenty ten, like we played
Speaker 1: but we weren't the best team. But again, like we
Speaker 1: were young still young were yeah, and we were building
Speaker 1: on defense. We hadn't started drafting all the defensive guys yet.
Speaker 1: We had a couple. But two thousand and one, right
Speaker 1: to me, is kind of like twenty eleven. Thousand and
Speaker 1: one starts a run of ten years of like unbelievable,
Speaker 1: Like twenty eleven started a run of like unbelievable play.
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Star power struggle. I struggle with because.
Speaker 1: Again, the beauty of this game to me is that
Speaker 1: I think the star power is low on our side.
Speaker 1: Their side, I think it was high. I mean, look
Speaker 1: we had Tom Brady, so like that Trump's all of it, right,
Speaker 1: Like that makes all of it. Uh, you're young at
Speaker 1: this point, so you know and can play. So I
Speaker 1: think that's why I love the game is because the
Speaker 1: star power it's kind of lower, kind of scrappy, kind
Speaker 1: of gritty, kind of like you know, but but winners. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just now if you take where they went to,
Speaker 1: where all you guys went to, star powers out out
Speaker 1: the chain, so if you graded at the time, it's low.
Speaker 1: If you're graded now, we're in the nines. A lot
Speaker 1: of really good names on that at the time. That's
Speaker 1: why I see, I'm trying to get a little clarity
Speaker 1: because I'd like this one to be up there a
Speaker 1: little bit. I won't be in like that fifty four
Speaker 1: range or whatever that was I saw last time on
Speaker 1: this thing, right, So I'm just saying, you know, overall,
Speaker 1: so I was trying to bump it up to like
Speaker 1: current would be like a nine to four, and current
Speaker 1: where it was during the time, Let's say it's it's
Speaker 1: probably an eight.
Speaker 2: Eight for us. Yeah, I mean you got two first
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Fame coaches, work coaches. It's star power
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: Crowd. Oh god, Stephen Tyler.
Speaker 2: With Steven Tyler, I had to go like.
Speaker 1: Find the lady that made that so my wife could
Speaker 1: get one and stand.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot you could bump it up.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hall of Fame coaches, Steven Tyler.
Speaker 2: It's pretty big. This is real big. Potentially more Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame coaches because there's still a lot of meeting
Speaker 2: on a lot of careers, a lot of a lot
Speaker 2: of meat. Those bones for so a lot of these
Speaker 2: guys eight nine, I'll go eight five.
Speaker 1: Talk you into that.
Speaker 2: I went nine to one. I'm going high. Are you
Speaker 2: see Jackie Blaze's Patriot games?
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I'm a homer. I am an unabashed homer.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: The gameplay of this game at ep back forth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how it's the field goals, I.
Speaker 1: Know, but like I know, people don't like field goals.
Speaker 1: People want touchdowns. But when you're calling defense, that is stressful.
Speaker 2: There's there's some stressful.
Speaker 1: Back and forth here. There's back to back turnovers. We
Speaker 1: picked it off, they picked it off.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you think you're good and good and then
Speaker 2: we throw the slate. That's right.
Speaker 1: So the back and forth in this the stress level
Speaker 1: of this game, it was pretty good. There's a lot
Speaker 1: riding and you put you know what we're playing for
Speaker 1: ira Craft all the rest of ye I was stressed.
Speaker 1: This one was stressful. This was a nine to one
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: For me, there's.
Speaker 1: You could just get a lock combo in this one.
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was probably know we got receivers playing
Speaker 2: fucking dv in this game. Do you think the gameplay
Speaker 2: is going to be fallless? Jesus Christ, what do we do.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go E eight because it
Speaker 2: still was. It was an exciting fucking game, and it's Baltimore,
Speaker 2: Baltimore hated and they came into our stadium and beat
Speaker 2: our ass the last time in the playoffs went I
Speaker 2: went eight five.
Speaker 4: Missing a kick at the end of a game always
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a detractor for me. Giants
Speaker 4: won a Super Bowl doing that, and then they didn't
Speaker 4: have a good, good gameplay score right.
Speaker 1: Missing I think missing and blocking a field, all that
Speaker 1: stuff I think is just because they missed doesn't mean
Speaker 1: they didn't affect the kick. I don't think the rush
Speaker 1: didn't affect the kick.
Speaker 2: The stadium.
Speaker 1: Make them kick it in the closed end zone late
Speaker 1: in the year when the pattern of the wind goes
Speaker 1: from the open lighthouse across the field to their side,
Speaker 1: and the kicker is going to overcorrect for that and
Speaker 1: the wind dies.
Speaker 2: Right, and then you put the rush to the right
Speaker 2: so that he has to think, get it away from
Speaker 2: the rush. Hmmm, I'm going to move it up.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to stadiums and I'd be like,
Speaker 1: all right, what flag am I watching? Because you couldn't watch.
Speaker 1: You couldn't watch the uprights. So there's there's every stadium
Speaker 1: at a list of what flag in that stadium was
Speaker 1: going to tell me the true direction of the wind? Wow?
Speaker 2: So who's who's the flag scouter? Like, who did we
Speaker 2: higher on the staff to the scout out? Which flag
Speaker 2: is the wind flag scottio.
Speaker 1: You know, we can call on other teams like hey,
Speaker 1: what flag are we watching for the like, Hey, we're
Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, do everything. We could win
Speaker 1: where you could be the Buffalo wind because that was
Speaker 1: crazy over there.
Speaker 2: I played the night before in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: You're talking about the two thousand and eight win where ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I play.
Speaker 1: Weather games were the most amazing things I've ever been
Speaker 1: a part of.
Speaker 2: I played the Saturday before you guys played in my
Speaker 2: last college game at Buffalo against Buffalo. That's awesome and
Speaker 2: that wind, that that crazy win game where you didn't throw. Remember,
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the Mac Jones one.
Speaker 1: Was the most amazing win I've ever seen. That was
Speaker 1: sixty had chains. They had chains holding the uprights for
Speaker 1: just ripping off. I literally told the DBS, I said,
Speaker 1: listen because the wind was blown across the field to
Speaker 1: their sideline. I said, play the top of the numbers
Speaker 1: as the sideline.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: I go move everything inside. They're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to throw it outside.
Speaker 2: It was that. It was really unreal. I changed my
Speaker 2: score to eight six. That might be a first and
Speaker 2: Maddy p Lastly, to top it off, we had to
Speaker 2: score the name of the game, which you came up with,
Speaker 2: the fucking killer little name that I just yeah, I
Speaker 2: kind of like it as the Sterling stealing steel Man.
Speaker 1: This is like a guy's legacy right here, if we're
Speaker 1: talking about a dude's legacy. Sterling Steel, fucking Sterling Sterling
Speaker 1: made some money, got us to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: They've definitely made a couple of ducats off of it.
Speaker 2: That's pretty tight right there. You know his coaching right now.
Speaker 2: I think it is highlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, whole highlight on the ESPN form.
Speaker 2: It's a nine nine five Sterling Steel game. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go with an eight to two eight two. That's low. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean you got to think about this, Matt, I
Speaker 2: think about it. We did the immaculate reception culturally, do
Speaker 2: you we're talking about that? Huh? I didn't we're not.
Speaker 2: But we know that game from nineteen seventy something and
Speaker 2: it's fifty years past. Fifty years. You give that one,
Speaker 2: Hi hi, Hi, okay, so go a little bit. I
Speaker 2: went seventy. No low, that didn't go high high. I
Speaker 2: gave that one maybe like a nine. Really, what's ten?
Speaker 5: Is there?
Speaker 2: There's no you played for Coach Belichick. There's no perfect game.
Speaker 2: I won a Super Bowl MVP and I almost had
Speaker 2: a perfect play call out sheet, but I still remember
Speaker 2: three plays that keep me up at night. So it
Speaker 2: wasn't a perfect game. Like when you when you eat
Speaker 2: a burger? Have you ever had a ten burger? And
Speaker 2: if you're telling me yes, and I'm definitely needing some,
Speaker 2: knock you off your socks and you'll go back. Seven
Speaker 2: to five will bring you back. Seven five will bring
Speaker 2: you back. So anything in ninees is like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: what the you're talking about? Don't talk me down. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to talk you up.
Speaker 4: All right, it's this cultural impact.
Speaker 2: Can I get a retraction? You can change it? All right,
Speaker 2: let's go.
Speaker 4: I did at eight point one.
Speaker 2: I'm four.
Speaker 4: Terry Bradshaw did a ten even on the Immaculate Reception.
Speaker 2: He might be with my with my retraction.
Speaker 1: Four.
Speaker 2: All right, what does that put us? This is going
Speaker 2: to be high.
Speaker 4: Puts us right here, just tenth. It's just ahead of
Speaker 4: the Statue of Liberty Game two thousand and seven fest
Speaker 4: the ball stay for Oklahoma, and just behind the nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety nine Women's World Cup China USA.
Speaker 2: This is the diving board to the next generation of
Speaker 2: the dynasty, This twenty eleven team, This hardship that we
Speaker 2: had to learn the very two weeks, the next two
Speaker 2: weeks later, whatever leadership.
Speaker 1: You guys learned, you know, like again, like I'm just
Speaker 1: remember like all the young guys that came in, like
Speaker 1: you guys had big You guys had ginormous shoes to film.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ginormous shoes. You think I loved hearing about
Speaker 2: fucking the other Patriots. I wanted to win Super Bowls
Speaker 2: just as so Bill could stop talking about Teddy Bruce Ski,
Speaker 2: Troy Brown.
Speaker 1: What do you think that was the brilliance of it?
Speaker 1: I mean, like my linebacker room, like Teddy Bruski, Mike Junior,
Speaker 1: William McGinn, it's Roosevelt Colvin and Dahlius Thomas larry Is.
Speaker 2: But it motivated me to it motivated me to want
Speaker 2: to say, I want to make our stamp on it.
Speaker 2: So like it was a great motivation factory because you
Speaker 2: definitely you love the guys to death and you respect
Speaker 2: them because they were always around. But like we wanted
Speaker 2: to be something, you know, you wanted to be in
Speaker 2: that level that was like a fucking a shooting star
Speaker 2: that you're looking at. You guys grew and they went
Speaker 2: back to back. We never did close fucking bullshit S three.
Speaker 2: We still got three back to back.
Speaker 1: We played, we won twenty one in a row. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was twenty one games in a row. We want
Speaker 1: until it was Halloween. It was Halloween in Pittsburgh two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, So twenty one in a row. You
Speaker 1: haven't lost in twenty one games the NFL.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man.
Speaker 1: We're at the end here, Yeah, because I got I
Speaker 1: got I got something.
Speaker 2: What do you got something? Well? Before that, did we
Speaker 2: miss anything from this game?
Speaker 1: Thank you the guys that were out there, And like
Speaker 1: I said, I've been waiting like ten years to get
Speaker 1: an offensive guy on the defensive field. Kidding me again,
Speaker 1: it was just I wouldn't say there was there was
Speaker 1: stars on the field, but there was stars waiting to
Speaker 1: be born on the field and that's.
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah to me. So maybe time to let the
Speaker 2: ways day.
Speaker 1: I got something for you.
Speaker 2: What do you get?
Speaker 1: So when I got back to New England, right, So
Speaker 1: I left for a little while, took a cup of coffee.
Speaker 2: On the Midwest. I come back.
Speaker 1: New England is my home. You know, the fans and
Speaker 1: you know I love it there and my kids were
Speaker 1: born there and all that stuff and you guys. Right,
Speaker 1: So I got back to New England. It was very
Speaker 1: emotional for me to go in that building. Now I'm
Speaker 1: coming in a different role. I'm coming in because Nick
Speaker 1: left and Bill needs me to do the GM stuff
Speaker 1: and kind of oversee and just be his eyes and
Speaker 1: ears and all that stuff. So as the GM when
Speaker 1: I get back, you know, your situation was coming up.
Speaker 1: So talking to Don Don was amazing. He and I
Speaker 1: went amazing conversations. And so you were going to retire. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in this situation, was like, all right, well
Speaker 1: here's here's here's a legendary Patriot player that I've watched
Speaker 1: just grow up before my eyes. Someone I admire, someone
Speaker 1: that worked hard, just did it our way and really special.
Speaker 1: You're a special person. So when it was all settled
Speaker 1: and everything was worked out and you were going to retire.
Speaker 1: So my office was Nick's office, which is next to
Speaker 1: the personnel room. So I walked into the personnel room
Speaker 1: and we had the personnel board in there for the
Speaker 1: Patriots has all the players on the team throw up
Speaker 1: in magnets in the name tags. So usually when someone
Speaker 1: retires or leaves or whatever, it is like, you know,
Speaker 1: like one of the young guys in the scotting apartment
Speaker 1: comes in and just grabs a name and he's gets
Speaker 1: thrown away or it gets uh maybe put in the
Speaker 1: back corner or whatever. And I just, you know, always
Speaker 1: felt like those names to me that we had up
Speaker 1: on that board represented so much more than just a
Speaker 1: piece of paper. I just and knowing you, I just
Speaker 1: kind of went in and I was like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I just got to take this off the board and
Speaker 1: I took your name and I.
Speaker 2: Opened that my guy. Then we start crying. Matty P.
Speaker 5: Got here.
Speaker 1: So that was your name tag that was on the
Speaker 1: personnel board at the Patriots while you were playing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it always got updated because it was
Speaker 1: on there for a while, but I didn't want that
Speaker 1: to just go anywhere. I thought that it should go
Speaker 1: to you. And so for whatever reason, how many here
Speaker 1: every year as it is now, I back then grabbed
Speaker 1: it in the moment and I've just kept it all
Speaker 1: these years.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I thought it was it's got my
Speaker 2: salary on there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a salary. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: we had a salary on there, of course.
Speaker 2: But uh, what is uh nine and a half? Okay,
Speaker 2: twenty nine nine and a half there? Your hand size?
Speaker 2: Is that? That is my hand size? I am that's
Speaker 2: that's a big hand for my size.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was to me, those tags on the
Speaker 1: board represented more than just piece of paper.
Speaker 2: Dude, I appreciate that. I love you, man, I love
Speaker 2: you too, buddy, I really do know. This is what
Speaker 2: this is. When you go into a general manager your office,
Speaker 2: they always had the they could slide something so you
Speaker 2: couldn't see the names board. I would always sneak up
Speaker 2: in there. Once I look and see the depth chart,
Speaker 2: Well you can see where what the guys were taking
Speaker 2: through their depth charts, you know, they plot out the
Speaker 2: team on how they wanted to build it. Thank you, man,
Speaker 2: that's so that's I appreciate you. I love you to death.
Speaker 2: Mattie P.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on. Anything else from you guys,
Speaker 2: that was unbelievable. I feel like my ball knowledge is
Speaker 2: my Oh I man, that was an honor. Thank you
Speaker 2: so much. That's why we do the show for conversations
Speaker 2: like this, and everyone go out and check out. Coach
Speaker 2: Matty P wrote it, He's helped producing it. I think
Speaker 2: he's doing all the nuts and bolts of it. It's
Speaker 2: with matt it's Matty Pea's in it, Coach Belichick, Mike Lombardi,
Speaker 2: it's and I listen to it every week just because
Speaker 2: that's how they would talk in our team meetings a
Speaker 2: lot of time. But also then you hear the buddy
Speaker 2: buddy shit what they would say, probably in the staff meetings,
Speaker 2: So I always like to hear that stuff. But it's
Speaker 2: a great content. I appreciate you coming out, man, And
Speaker 2: I wait, last before anything, best friends with the big guy? Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, So why is he dodging me? Why he
Speaker 2: dodging Why is he dodging games with names in the nuthouse.
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's just you know, he's busy,
Speaker 2: busy stuff going on. You're on the West Coast. Had
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on in my life. You
Speaker 2: know what, I know what he told me to do. No,
Speaker 2: put it in the draw He said, take everything, and
Speaker 2: you put it in a fucking drawer and when the
Speaker 2: season's over you could deal with it. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: put it in for thirteen years. Put it in the drawer. Coach,
Speaker 2: I just want you to come talk ball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well just think how fool his drawers. There's a
Speaker 1: lot in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Here, how about this?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to join social media?
Speaker 2: Well are you?
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do it tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's running Coach Belichick's Instagram?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you forgetting it all.
Speaker 1: Maddie.
Speaker 2: What a game.
Speaker 4: The lighting has changed, audience, because we're still here forty
Speaker 4: eight hours after.
Speaker 2: Day has turned tonight, the night has turned back today.
Speaker 2: You don't become a rocket scientist by just not knowing everything.
Speaker 4: Great episode. Amazing man, He's he hung around later too,
Speaker 4: was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maddy p is a good one. He's one of
Speaker 2: He's a good dude. We're smarter ball knowers. From from
Speaker 2: hearing that it's good to have defense perspective. It is.
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't know what a double mugg
Speaker 2: is by now, you didn't listen to this episode. You
Speaker 2: didn't listen to the goddamn episode. Okay, but Matty pe
Speaker 2: got us. You gotta explain it to kindergarten people. Okay.
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be in TV, you know you can't
Speaker 2: say double mug fire zone six. This that I mean,
Speaker 2: come on, buh. Part of what makes Maddy po safety Blitz.
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