WEBVTT - 2011 AFC Championship with Matt Patricia | Ravens vs. Patriots 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:01.280 I was laughing at him earlier. I was like, do 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:03.800 you remember my oldest dom's first Halloween. I'm like, I 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:06.399 came to your house, you know, for trick or treat 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.280 and so Rob obviously I know where he lives, right, 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.400 So he comes to the door and he's wearing the 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:14.680 exact same clothes he wore to work, with a knitted 0:00:15.000 --> 0:00:18.200 Santa Claus like mask, like right on his face. So 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:20.520 I'm like, all right, So I'm like, trick or treat whatever. 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:22.919 My domb's like one, so it puts it in. So 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:25.279 I was talking to so he's got the mask, and 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:26.720 I was like, my god, you get a lot of 0:00:27.040 --> 0:00:29.320 you know, a lot of tricker treaders or anything. And 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:31.520 he's not really saying anything, and I was like, I 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.400 was like all right, and. 0:00:32.800 --> 0:00:34.480 He kind of like looks at me. He's like, how'd 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:35.519 you know it was me? And I was. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.839 Like, I know, I know where you live, and you're 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:41.279 in the same exact clothes I saw you in two 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:42.040 hours ago. 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:47.560 Like in Foxborough, like Jack Santa Clause. 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:49.800 It was like it was like the best man. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.360 Welcome to games with names. They're Jack and Kyler. I'm 0:00:57.440 --> 0:01:00.880 Julian Edelman, and we are on a mission to find 0:01:00.960 --> 0:01:04.560 the greatest game of all time, and on today's episode, 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:09.560 we are covering a special special game, the twenty eleven 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:16.240 AFC Championship between the Ravens and Patriots, with three times 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:22.399 Super Bowl champion, former defensive end offensive coordinator, an actual 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:28.560 rocket scientist, Matt Patricia Matt e p and we get 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:32.399 into talking about everything, the time he almost killed Gronk. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:34.679 He takes off it starts to run, and I take 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:36.800 the garbage can and I throw it behind me, and 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:40.360 all I hear is oh. And I turn around. He's 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.600 on the ground and he's laying there and he's not 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:44.119 moving this Friday before game. 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:47.400 We get into the time he got Belichick's trust, you know, 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:51.800 Matt's side of the Malcolm Butler interception, the call for 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.720 high tower stripsack in twenty eight to three, the rival 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:58.760 between the Ravens, and what it's like in Patriots coaching meetings, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.280 and when Matty pew We're gonna win. Like we get 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.160 into everything, Okay, Then we wrap up the show by 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:07.560 bringing you the Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. How 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.359 cool is it to have Cores Light as a sponsor. 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:13.200 We're in the big leagues. Now we're the big leagues boys, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.519 so buckle it up. This is a long one. Let's go. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:26.280 Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. January twenty second, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:34.000 twenty twelve, Jellette Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:37.200 Baltimore lines up the game tying chip shot with a 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:39.639 trip to the super Bowl on the line. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:45.720 Looks like we're heading into over today. Missed it? Why left? 0:02:46.240 --> 0:03:04.760 Why left? This is the twenty championship game. Welcome to 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.280 Games with Names, and today we have a freaking, really 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.720 special episode. We get to go in the nitty gritty 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.600 of the twenty eleven AFC Championship between the Ravens and 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:19.400 the Patriots with one of the guys that had to 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.600 orchestrate a defense this year, with guys off the street 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:29.119 putting receivers there in the slot, one and only, Matthew Patricia. 0:03:29.360 --> 0:03:30.399 Welcome to Games with Names. 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:32.560 Man at Thanks, I appreciate you having me. It's great 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:32.919 to be here. 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.040 We were so excited to have you because we've had 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:39.480 all these Patriot coaches on but it's been all offense, 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.680 and we know what really wins the game. Defense wins championships. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:46.480 Offense just sells tickets. But in one sentence, Why did 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:47.320 you pick this game? 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.440 I was waiting since two thousand and four when I 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:52.040 got to know Ang. I think one of the coolest 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.400 things that I saw that year was Troy Brown played 0:03:56.440 --> 0:04:01.200 defense and I was like, that is cannot wait to 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.600 do that again. And so we waited and then eventually 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:07.600 you came. And when you showed up, I was like, 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:09.800 that's the guy. That's the guy we're going to get 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:12.320 to play defense, and it finally happened in the AFC 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:17.440 Championship game. So this one to me because of you, Miracraft, 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:21.120 that year was really special to me, to the team, uh, 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.360 to the Craft family. Uh, this is just one of 0:04:23.400 --> 0:04:25.760 those games and against one of the teams that we battled. 0:04:25.760 --> 0:04:27.840 I mean, we want to talk about battle. This was 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.560 a war with these guys when we played them. It 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:33.440 was physical, it was tough, and we had to have 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:35.599 tough guys on the field, and we had some injuries 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.440 on defense that year and you were a tough guy. 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:40.640 And we'll jump into it, but is this the greatest 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:41.440 game of all time? 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.679 Uh? The greatest game of all time? I saw the list. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.240 I mean again, there's some championship games that I think, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.520 are you know, obviously up there, but this is a 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:51.160 special one. 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.000 Of all time. Okay, special of all time. We like that. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:54.520 That's first time we were heard. It's not the greatest 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.040 game of all time, but it's the world's specialist game 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.880 of all time. I saw the specialists of all all 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:04.680 games of all Maybe what's life looking like these days? 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:05.160 What are you doing? 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:09.480 So back home? And my family took this year, took 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.840 the year off, you know, just was I was in 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.200 Philadelphia last year. That was great, great people down there, 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.960 but my family was still in Massachusetts. I missed my kids. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.839 You know, my kids got big really fast. My oldest 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.120 Dominic he came to visit me at Thanksgiving, and you know, 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.280 he was about chess level. And then he came back 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.600 for Christmas. He's thirteen, and he was looking at me, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.880 you know, damn near right, yeah, And I was like, okay, 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:35.160 this is going really fast. You know me, you know 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.480 how I worked like I worked life. Balance wasn't my 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.080 my strong suit. So it just had an opportunity to 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:41.479 be dad. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:44.400 And that's what I'm do. You know, I tell this story. 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.720 White people always, they always ask me, why do you 0:05:48.320 --> 0:05:50.880 why aren't you getting into coaching? And I always say, 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.480 I did my time. Okay, I was in New England 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:56.960 and I would leave the facility. I put my hours in, 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.360 I put a fifteen fourteen hour day in, but I 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.600 would leave. I say it all the time. I'd leave 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:05.120 at seven o'clock and you see Matty P specifically b 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.400 flowing all these guys talking to their kids, seeing their 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:11.000 kids for the first time of the day, right before 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.840 they had to go back in for night meetings with 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:17.560 Bill right like, I ain't doing that. And Maddy P 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.640 was one of the guys that was a cock guy. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.960 We like to call him a cot guy because you'd 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.400 look into Matty PA's office and you'd see the fucking 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.520 cop because he slept there all night. Now, what do 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:28.880 you do in twenty four hours in the building? Explain 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:29.320 this to me? 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.560 Yeah, that's a great question. I mean there's a lot 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.160 of times at two o'clock in the morning, I'm like, 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:36.560 holy cow, like is this even what are we doing? 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.600 Just kind of how the day was, you know. I 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:43.400 think my thing coaching and why I spent so many 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:47.720 hours there is I was always paranoid that, you know, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.919 the next day would come and I wouldn't be prepared 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:53.000 to give the players every bit of information they needed 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.280 to be successful. 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.440 In the game. You know, it just kept me up. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:58.920 And the thing about it is everyone calls it work, 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.120 and it wasn't work as my passion. Yeah, you know, 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.080 so like when you when you do something that you're 0:07:04.160 --> 0:07:07.600 that passionate about, time doesn't really matter, you know, just 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:09.000 so you gotta get up at three thirty in the morning. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:10.640 You get up a three thirty morning, who cares? You 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:12.160 gotta work till one work to one? 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:12.680 Who cares? 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:14.560 You know, if I'm doing something that I know, I've 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.600 got to have, you know, preparation, and I got to 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.840 be prepared to give the players, give you guys the 0:07:18.920 --> 0:07:20.840 information so you can go do what you're supposed to do. 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.360 Then I can stay up for days. It doesn't matter. 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.400 Now you're kind of like coaching Belichick because you got 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.000 to get him prepared with all this stuff and stuff everything, 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.120 because you're helping him out with all his podcasts. So 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:33.240 does it keep you up at night to have him 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.880 fully prepared for all these podcasts and media gigs that 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:36.240 he does. 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:38.360 I think I think Bill's doing just great. 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:40.200 I means you're doing a great good great coach. We 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:41.040 got a great coach. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.720 We got a great we're having We're having a lot 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.000 of fun. We have our our podcast on YouTube coach, which. 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.680 Killing I watch it. I watch it, dude, Well, I 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:53.520 like appreciate that. Well, people don't realize I listened to 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:57.480 this fucking guy. These guys speak for fifteen or for 0:07:57.560 --> 0:07:59.480 twelve years, and I was like in the front listen 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.600 to everything. So it's kind of like I watch that, 0:08:02.800 --> 0:08:05.680 I'm like, oh, it's kind of like normal. Yeah, feel good. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:08.040 It feels feels comfort, It feels yeah. And I also 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.160 I agree with a lot of how you guys, you know, 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:13.640 it brushes up my knowledge and it because it makes 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:16.000 me hit stories. When I hear you guys talking about 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.800 stuff or how you guys break down a certain coverage 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:20.960 or something, then it sparks something in my mind. Did 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.240 that I can talk about. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.840 It's how we see the game, you know, So what 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:24.800 happens I see the game? 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:26.760 How you see the because that's where I went to school. 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.120 That's what we did. 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.240 We went to a doctor program about all the time, 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.880 Like we went to a doctor program of football, and uh, 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.920 you know twenty years you know at New England, Bill 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.959 and I you know, Bill's like my closest friend, you know, 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:40.760 he's he's we spent a lot of time every day together, 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.240 more time than with our families. Last February, I was 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.720 I was actually driving down to Philly and he's like, hey, 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:46.959 He's like, I got to go to New York. He's like, 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:48.240 do you mind if ive, you know, jump in the 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:50.760 car with you. And I was like, you know, we'll drive. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.800 So it was three hours he and I just in 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:56.120 the car and we were just going, like we go, 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.280 like we can you know the stories the we're talking 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.400 about the rosters in the league right now, we're talking 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.880 about coaches, coaching changes, we're talking about trees, we're talking 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:08.040 about players, we're talking about past players. It was three 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:11.439 hours of game plans and just all of it. And 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:15.360 I'm pull into Manhattan and he's like, oh, that was great. 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.280 And I was like, honestly, Bill, I was like, if 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.240 we had filmed this whole thing for three hours, I'm like, 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:22.000 everyone would have been amazing. Like it just and the 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.880 idea hit me and I was like, I got hey, 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.760 I got an idea. Like I'm gonna go write some stuff. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:28.160 I said. 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.319 I said, I'm gonna call you later, and I have 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:32.240 an idea. He's all right, so I did. 0:09:32.320 --> 0:09:33.880 I just wrote the show, you know, I wrote the 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:35.920 Coach Show and kind of a bunch of different ideas 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.120 things that we could do. You know. It started off 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:39.880 with a lot of Hey, let's go through a normal 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.640 work week like we would and kind of give everyone 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.320 behind the scenes look at kind of how we game plan, 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.040 like how we prepare to Hey, maybe we'll look at 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.840 some games, we'll talk about matchups, we'll talk about the players. 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:53.160 Let's just teach some football. Let's just go teach football 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.599 because that's what we love to do. And you know, 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:58.160 we were talking and we were like, you know, here's 0:09:58.240 --> 0:09:59.880 term all the time, double mug. This was actually what's 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:01.199 the conversations. 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.280 Like what's double mug for kindergarteners? What is everybody like? 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:04.679 What is that? 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:04.880 Though? 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.280 That's that's the big thing, Like everyone's like what exactly? 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:08.800 We heard it all the time, but what exactly is 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:10.880 double mug? So we just I was like, hey, why 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:11.719 don't we just break it down? 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:13.480 Six on the line? Why do they do it? 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:14.520 You know, five on the line? 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:15.319 What do those look like? 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:15.880 You know? 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:16.520 Seven up? 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.560 And just so it's been fun, you know, we get 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:20.920 up on the board. I give him to a couple 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:23.199 of demos once in a while, which is good. He's like, fun, Hey, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:24.800 beat the crap out of me on the one ball 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:25.679 security thing. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.439 I was like, you don't have to hit me. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:29.880 It's like, it's okay, and we get to tell some 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:31.880 stories and my my favorite, one of my favorite ones 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:35.480 obviously was you know, I got him to cut cut 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:36.840 up film. I don't know if he saw that one, 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.000 but like all the time I cut ups. Hey, we're 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:41.720 gonna watch this cut up and we say all the time, 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:43.600 and I was like, well, where did that come from? 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.559 And it actually they we used to physically cut the film, 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:50.599 and you know, he just he just that's when you 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:53.240 get you know, you pull Bill out and he becomes, 0:10:53.440 --> 0:10:55.240 you know, the guy we all know. It was awesome 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:56.480 to watch him do all that stuff. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.040 So I think it's been great content, and it's been 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:01.640 super fun of Lombardy in there as well, because he 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.960 gives a whole other perspective and he's great at talking. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.160 If you want real content, this is what I think 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:11.760 you need to do. This is what you do. You 0:11:12.640 --> 0:11:18.520 get fifteen to thirty of the worst fucking football plays 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:22.400 of the week, and you sit there and low lights, lights, 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:24.640 and you don't tell Bill there's a camera in there, 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.079 and you just say it's me and you guys, and 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.240 then you film it and then you have him discussed 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:32.959 like what that is. And I think that would be 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:35.760 just pure fucking gold. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.520 Yeah, low lights. When we would get those in the 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:40.600 squad meeting, it was always going to be real interesting 0:11:40.679 --> 0:11:44.840 for sure. Look, that's the beauty of coaching and certainly 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:46.880 the way that we were raised, you know, in New England, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.920 and we could certainly look at things we did well 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.080 and learn from if we definitely learned from the things 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.720 that we did not so well in those team meetings 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:55.160 for sure. 0:11:55.360 --> 0:11:57.640 Yeah, I mean that's that's part of the game. It 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.080 was part of the game. Now what in football right 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.720 now or what organization are you looking at? Like, Man, 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:06.520 they got a lot of shit dialed up right now. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.960 I like how they're coaching staff's doing. I like how 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.040 their roster's built. Yeah, there's some deficiencies here, but I 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.880 like their theme of style football. What are some of 0:12:15.880 --> 0:12:17.160 the organizations you like right now? 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.360 Well, you know, just coming from Philly, I think you 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.880 know this year they're just doing a great. 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:26.280 Job, Like a fucking different I mean, Jesus, it's all right. 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:28.240 I mean it's awesome though it's great in insane. I 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.000 mean he does the reverse leap frog, and you know, 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:32.839 I'm like sitting there with my son and I was like, 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.599 you will never see that again. I was like, it 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.080 was the craziest thing ever. You know, So you appreciate, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.319 as we know, you appreciate when you see greatness. And 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.480 I just think from top down, how he nick they 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.480 do a great job, Jeffrey Lorie of just bringing in 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.840 really good football players, tough you know, tough team. Their 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:54.319 offensive line. You know, I love offensive line. I love 0:12:54.360 --> 0:12:56.679 the play of the offensive line. And Jeff Stoutlin, who 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.040 I coached with at Syracuse years ago, he's there. I 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.280 think he's developed those guys. Just it's been remarkable to 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:07.240 see how that offensive line's played without Jason Kelce the 0:13:07.320 --> 0:13:08.440 first year. Yeah. 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.160 Now and now now, granted they have a generational talent 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:14.040 running back right now, that makes a lot of people 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:18.959 right yeah, but still they're they're beating fucking guys up. Yeah, 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:22.040 they're moving the move image, they're they're big, swallow up. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.160 They just cover you up. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.080 And with you know, a guy like Saquon doesn't take much. 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.760 That Jalen Carter. He looks like he's in shape right now. Yeah, 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:29.599 so he is. 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.400 Last year in practice, there was a practice he went out, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:35.280 we were in pads and he it was like one 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.079 of those deals where he just destroyed practice. He was 0:13:38.240 --> 0:13:42.360 unblockable and you were like, wow, this is that's next 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.679 level stuff. So you couldn't wait to see him come 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.839 along from that standpoint. But I think, you know, twenty fourteen, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:49.760 we went to the super Bowl, like, and we know 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:52.040 how hard that is, and we know how long the 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.959 season is. You know, if you remember twenty fifteen, you know, 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.720 the end of twenty fifteen, like we kind of hit 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.079 a bad skid at the end before the season we 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:00.720 lost I think five out of six or four out 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.120 of six, like whatever it was. It was bad until 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.199 we got to the playoffs and we pushed to the 0:14:05.280 --> 0:14:06.080 championship game. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:08.599 And that year in fifteen, the Soldier went down and 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.439 ate Deon Lewis went down, I broke a foot yep like, 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.040 so we didn't like we were we were blowing teams 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:17.000 out that year. We were like, I thought that we 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.560 were really good that year and then all of a sudden, 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:21.840 we you know, you lose. 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.680 Guys so Philly last year, Yeah, same thing, same thing, 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:26.880 but now come back a year later. They get a 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:28.720 little bit more rest in the offseason last year. Now 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:30.440 they come back a year later and the ruling just 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.400 like we did in sixteen. So I see a lot 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:35.760 of similarities with those that three year stretch and then 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.280 you know kind of what they've been going through So Philly. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.920 You know, I like Buffalo right now. I mean obviously, Josh, 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.520 I mean, look, I'm always gonna look at the offenses 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:46.080 of that will keep me up at night. You ask 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:48.360 why I don't sleep well. You know, when you're playing 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.720 Peyton Manning and Drew Brees like you know, I would 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.040 obviously my beard was big and black at the time, 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:56.600 and I would have these little white hairs. I'm like, okay, 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.960 that's Peyton Manning. I'm like, this one's Drew Brees, like 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:01.000 you know, because stay up a nico On, how are 0:15:01.000 --> 0:15:03.720 we going to disguise? I think there's so many quarterbacks 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.880 right now, and Josh Allen and I think Buffalo's running 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.080 the ball. They're doing the things they need to do 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:11.120 to win. It's it's it's good. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.360 They're they're doing very, very good and I and I've 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.400 been since I've started doing TV. I always said, can 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.080 we get them a fucking run game and take the 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.200 ball out of Josh's hand forty five times of the 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.200 game and let him use his superpowers and situational plays? 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.960 Can we fucking do that? That's what they've done. Yeah. 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:28.960 The one thing that scares me with Buffalo. 0:15:28.880 --> 0:15:30.080 See if you get it right, what do you got? 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:34.720 They're light there, their secondary is terrible, and they're light linebackers. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:38.600 They're light linebackers up front. They and I love Milano, 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.400 but he's got a bice tenant and he's getting he 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.200 can't get off the blockers, and I just I get 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.680 so scared. They play that two show with the safeties 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.560 in the run box, and I remember whenever we struggle 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:51.680 with them, they were always light and you could run 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.800 the ball down the field on them and you could 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.160 control the game. And look at the teams that are 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:56.800 in it right now. 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.400 So if you sat in the meetings, it's like you're 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.200 paid attention. You literally, it's like, you know, you know, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.680 this is what makes me the happiest when I hear 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.600 you guys, you know Brew and everybody you know that 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:09.480 does this now or even when we used to be 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:12.680 in the Saturday night meal room, We'll be watching college football. 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:14.920 You guys would be running through situations on the screen, 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:16.600 and Bill and I would stand back and I would 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.320 just smile because I'm like, they're listening. I'm like, they're listening, 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:21.760 but they're you're You're exactly right with Buffalo. 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.840 And why are they like? 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:26.920 Because they play nickel defense, they play small. So the 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:28.160 run control the game? 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:28.560 Love it? 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.360 Control the game? How do you control the game? Run 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:31.680 the ball, stop the run, cover kicks. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:34.480 You know, and you nailed it, and you know, Josh, 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:36.920 and then if you do that, I'll tell you a 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.800 little template out here because we played Josh Bunch. Control 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.160 the game. You run the ball, you have long drives. 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.560 Then Josh gets a little antsy. If you're scoring points, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:47.920 you get a little antsy and they'll throw He'll give 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:49.960 you three or four chances where you could pick them. 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.400 Yeah, he's gonna because he's got that gun slinger. So 0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.360 that is the one thing Buffalo has scares this year. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:56.600 But that's what they've done this year. 0:16:56.640 --> 0:16:59.040 They haven't turned the ball over, that's exactly. And then 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.920 another thing with this has been very remarkable to me, 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:02.400 this was like. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:03.800 Three hours in the car with Bill. This is we 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:07.680 could the way that we were all raised grab we 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:08.199 could do this for. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.720 Um yeah hours. But with with Buffalo, you know, it's 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:13.000 just scared. You know, it's been really great to see 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.680 this because preseason we were all thinking, you know, this 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.280 is a rebuild year, you know, and they didn't have 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.840 the offensive weapons. But what they've done well as they've 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.640 they've drafted that Shakiir guy is a difference maker. He's 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.359 a safety blanket, little Beasley type that Alan loves to 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:30.520 have in the middle of the field. Coleman's contested catch guy. 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:33.359 He's made a couple of those, Samuel, he needs to 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:35.199 make a couple more. But they got the two tight ends. 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:36.320 I was gonna say, what else did they do? 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.600 The tight ends? Yeah, ends, and then they running that 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.639 bowl Cook So I like them too, And you're. 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.600 Right because with the defensive side of it, new safeties, 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.480 you know, they pieces I. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.720 Like, but he he plays too hard for his size. 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.000 He knocks himself out. And could Buffalo actually win it 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:54.520 this year? Though? 0:17:55.240 --> 0:17:58.000 I think that with Kansas City, you know again they're 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:02.199 love Kings City, love Andy, love Mahomes love how they win. 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.359 I still it's it's hard for me right now to 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.760 bet against the Chiefs. Now. Everyone wants to say, oh 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.679 they're they're not playing good. They're not. You look at 0:18:15.720 --> 0:18:19.520 them on third down, they dominate you. Look you look 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.320 at them on God to have you to talk about 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:30.440 this ship, I would love to. But they can win situationally, 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.159 which scares me because if you look at all the 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.240 other teams, Buffalo can do it. But Buffalo don't have 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:39.240 Kansas City defense. They don't got that that defense when 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.160 when you need a play, they can make a play. 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.840 And Spag knows how to win these games. And I 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.160 don't like. I don't like the plans of other offenses 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:52.560 against Spags. So like that's why I think that Kansas 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:54.919 It's the field needs to step their game up. 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:57.120 Other than Kansas City does right now is five plus 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:01.040 minute drives. They lead the league. So they are slowing 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.000 the game down. They're not going to give the other 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:06.600 offense as many possessions, and that's in third down, so 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.480 third down conversion, slow the game down, hold the ball, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:13.560 situational football. Andy Mahomes fed on them and that's how 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:13.840 they went. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.960 They may not have an explosive run game. But you 0:19:17.040 --> 0:19:19.000 know what they have. They have an effective run game. 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.639 They get that three point eight yards every time. It 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.680 may not be four, but they set themselves up in 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.359 those third downs manageable. And then Kelsey gets to do 0:19:28.480 --> 0:19:30.200 his shit. Then they got a couple of those draw 0:19:30.320 --> 0:19:34.200 fucking draw after Friday practice plays that they fucking do 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.440 in the red air like they do it, We've seen it. 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:38.360 And then you got Mahomes, which is death. And when 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.399 you have Mahomes, which has been the really craziest thing 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:46.200 for me because it's in a testament to Andy Reid 0:19:47.320 --> 0:19:51.600 changing and evolving, because I remember specifically, anytime we played 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:55.280 the Chiefs and the Andy Reid team coaching staff, Bill 0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:57.560 would always say, this guy does not want to run 0:19:57.600 --> 0:20:01.040 the ball. He wants to throw the ball. It's in 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.960 his heart, he wants to throw the ball, which he's 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:06.639 kind of changed Andy's and he's unbelievable. 0:20:06.960 --> 0:20:10.200 Andy one hundred percent has died into the players he 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:13.320 has and how to win in late you know, late 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.280 part of the year, and we all know control in 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:16.639 the game, and they do a great job of. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.239 It without a doubt, you know. And it's crazy how 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:21.720 Shanahan came from that West Coast, but he instead of 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:25.280 using those short passes, developed the run game. So he's 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:25.840 taking those. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.879 Mike's a little different now. Mike Shanahan, he was at Oakland, okay, 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:35.200 and then when he got let go from Oakland, he 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:38.920 went to San Francisco, but George Seaffer was the head coach. Okay, 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:42.560 so he went learned the West Coast in San Francisco. 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.040 But all those other guys, remember home Gren, All those 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.960 guys left going to Green Bay, so that whole tree 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.359 had kind of gone over there. So he had the 0:20:50.440 --> 0:20:52.600 principles of the West Coast. But then he died into 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:54.960 the run game. You know, his run game that he 0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:59.000 owned that he developed at Denver was that zone. But 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.080 he had the change up a power run game. And 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:04.399 and really but that's what Kyle runs. And yeah, I 0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:07.719 mean they that whole family, and Kyle's you know, Kyle's 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.240 evolved too, his own his own sense. But you know, 0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:13.520 Mike Shanahan will never forget two thousand and six we 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:16.159 played Okay, see if you remember this one, I know 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.400 you weren't there yet. Two thousand and six we played 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:19.720 in what was called the China Bowl. 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.320 Look this way, I remember hearing about so we had 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:23.480 to go to We were going to China. 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.880 We were going to be the precursor for the Olympics. 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:27.840 The Olympics were in two thousand and eight in China. 0:21:28.240 --> 0:21:31.119 Two thousand and seven, we were supposed to go to 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:34.000 China in the preseason. We're going to play Seattle. We're 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.800 gonna fly to Seattle, play Seattle. We were both teams. 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.600 Are gonna get on one plane fly to China, be 0:21:39.720 --> 0:21:43.119 the precursor for the Olympics. And uh so the year 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:44.760 before that, in two thousand and six, we're playing Denver. 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.879 We had the China Bowl. There's there's it's painted on 0:21:47.920 --> 0:21:49.399 the field, you know that, all of it. We had 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.240 jerseys and Chinese business cards. 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:53.399 It was crazy. We were going to China. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.600 So that game we played Denver, and I remember that 0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:00.360 game specifically because we're playing Mike Shanahan and we're ready 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:01.840 for the zone team. We're ready for the zones. And 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:04.480 so all week I've got Brew and Junior and my linebackers, 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:06.560 you know, and I'm telling him like, look, we're going 0:22:06.640 --> 0:22:08.280 to creep the line of scrimmage. You know, we used 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:11.040 to play base defense. You know, three four, we're gonna 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:12.200 move up to two and a half yards off the 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:13.720 line because we got to go press these guards right now. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:15.560 We got to get them off of the defensive line. 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.719 Vince and those guys tie and we got to get downhill. Well, 0:22:18.760 --> 0:22:21.320 Mike went to the whole power gap, you know, duo 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:23.080 run game, and it was all down blocks. 0:22:23.240 --> 0:22:25.919 What is power gap? Duo? So all kind of the. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.720 Same deal, right, good, good question, good question the side. 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:30.000 Of the boys if you're getting. 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:33.760 In the same direction. Now we go to the gap, 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:38.480 the duo or the power double teams everywhere, double teams 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:40.080 all along. We're trying to move body. 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:40.880 So we're two on one. 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.719 It's six versus three hundred, Yeah, six hundred verse three 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:47.120 moving the line of scrimmage. 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:47.800 Love it. 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.119 So instead of pressing the line of scrimmage, we actually 0:22:51.200 --> 0:22:52.719 linebacker wise, we got a stack. We got to get 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:55.359 over the top, pull the double teams off. Well, Junior, 0:22:55.600 --> 0:22:57.760 you know who is kind of we were in the system. 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:00.439 He's running through and so we got gashed run game. 0:23:00.480 --> 0:23:02.639 I mean I think we won, we gosh. And so 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:04.399 now we got to go in Monday to Bill's office 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:06.440 and we got to go through the tape and it 0:23:06.520 --> 0:23:08.080 was not pretty. It was not good we had. 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:09.240 It was a very long meeting. 0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.400 I've got Junior say out Teddy, Bruce, Ki, myself, Bill 0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.400 killing us because we couldn't fit the runs power it's 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:17.880 not zone. We practiced zone all week, you know, ready 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.040 for the Shanahan stretch and uh. I remember just walking 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.480 out and Junior looking at me. He's like, I don't 0:23:23.720 --> 0:23:25.560 I don't think I've ever I don't think I've ever 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:27.359 been spoken to by a coach like that before. 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:29.520 That was that was the craziest meeting. 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.320 And Teddy's like, yeah, we just gotta get it right, 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.200 you know, it's just it was just coaching. You know, 0:23:34.240 --> 0:23:36.280 it was nothing new, but that was like the eye 0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:40.760 opening moment I think for Junior, like Buddy, yeah, Buddy, Buddy, 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:43.200 because Junior had two different buddies, right, it was Buddy 0:23:43.440 --> 0:23:45.159 and then Buddy Buddy depending if he new Year, if 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.080 he didn't know you, yeah, yeah, the other a couple 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.040 of different ones. But so that was the China Bowl. 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:49.840 That was Mike Shannon. 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:51.840 So we had the stretch, but they had the downhill 0:23:51.920 --> 0:23:52.240 run too. 0:23:52.720 --> 0:23:55.639 So Manny p walk us through how you got into coaching. 0:23:55.720 --> 0:24:00.439 You're from New York, New York guy Italiano like, how 0:24:00.520 --> 0:24:02.959 does an Italian rocket scientist get into coaching? 0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:08.680 Yeah, good question, So you know, quick version of my story. 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:11.719 I appreciate you asking. So born and raised in Syracuse, 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:13.720 New York, right in between Syracuse and Utica, and my 0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:15.840 mom is from Long Island's a little bit time down 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:19.760 in Long Island and then up in Syracuse. Family, hardcore, 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:22.800 hardcore Italian, you know it is where it is, Northeast, 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:28.600 Northeast Italian. Played Division III college football once. I was 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.200 a center and guard center, played tight end in the 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:34.240 heavy packages in my young years in college. But uh, 0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.639 senior starting right guard and then played center when you 0:24:36.800 --> 0:24:38.840 was recruited as a center. So Division three is great 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:41.840 because it's everyone's five ten or six foot and just 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.399 whether you weigh one seventy or three hundred, you know, 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.119 that's it. But everybody's the same height and it's just 0:24:46.160 --> 0:24:47.160 depending on how. 0:24:47.119 --> 0:24:47.640 Much you weigh. 0:24:47.760 --> 0:24:50.640 So we were Actually I went to a school called 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.960 RPI rinse Leer Engineers in school. Yeah, I wanted to 0:24:54.080 --> 0:24:55.840 be you know, originally kind of grown up. 0:24:55.840 --> 0:24:58.040 I want, you know, like so the mascots and an engineer. 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:00.320 It was an engineer. It actually was not like train 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.200 like you know, I don't know, like engineer, Like, it 0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.280 wasn't a pocket it wasn't even like a pocket protector. 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:06.920 I don't even know what the hell it was. It 0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:09.680 was just wow, I guess, uh, what's on the side 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:10.119 of the helmet? 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:12.960 Uh, your number for a couple of years or an R. 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:14.720 It was just keep it simple. 0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.160 I would put like the I would put like dag 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:18.439 room theory. Yeah, actually, you. 0:25:18.440 --> 0:25:20.720 Know what the best one was, we really you know, 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.080 f equals force equals mass times acceleration, because that's what 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:24.560 we were doing. 0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.080 That's exact, that's exactly what we're doing. 0:25:27.440 --> 0:25:30.320 That would be would be a good one. Yeah, great engineering. 0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:33.160 So you know, I wanted to play in the NFL 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:34.359 and do all that stuff, right, and then my dad 0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.360 quickly sent me down and said, listen, you're Italian. You're 0:25:36.359 --> 0:25:38.760 gonna be about five to ten. You know, you're not athletic. 0:25:39.440 --> 0:25:41.199 So the NFL thing is cool, but you're not going 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:41.560 to play. 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:43.160 So what what else? 0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:45.560 I was a child of the eighties, fell in love 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:47.920 with top gun, wanted to be a military pilot, Like 0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:49.639 I was all in, Like, you know, it's that's what 0:25:49.720 --> 0:25:50.159 I wanted to do. 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.879 Love love planes. Yeah, so I was. 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:57.920 Thinking about going to Annapolis West Point, the fly do 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:01.440 all that in the academies, you know, start junior or whatever. 0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:04.399 We had pretty good high school team, so we're in 0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:06.359 the championship game. So you start getting recruited, you know, 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:07.120 like everybody else. 0:26:07.200 --> 0:26:07.560 That's good. 0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.320 Even though it Division three, you're still getting recruited. You 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.560 can get money and go to good schools that maybe 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.920 you couldn't get into if he didn't have sports, you know. 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:17.959 So RPI, I knew of my uncle had gone there. 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:21.920 He was a really successful engineer, had a great ROTC 0:26:22.080 --> 0:26:26.639 program at our RPI. So I wanted to play football 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.320 in college, and I just decided to go there as 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.880 an aeronautical engineer. Looked at what was called PLC, which 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.520 is platoon leadership for the Marine Corps at the time, 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.119 which they were looking for pilots, and kind of that 0:26:37.280 --> 0:26:38.920 was gonna be my route. That's where I was going. 0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:42.119 So design planes, fly him, all that deal, you know, 0:26:42.520 --> 0:26:47.040 maybe in the military after school. And I love football 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:50.040 like all of us, you know, just love it, right, 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:54.040 the smell all of it blew out my shoulder. 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:55.879 My junior year. 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.840 The Marine Corps PFT. 0:26:58.680 --> 0:26:59.200 Is pull ups. 0:27:00.040 --> 0:27:01.760 You can't do pull ups with his shoulder. Let's wrecked. 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.439 Plus you know I'm five to ten away to seventy eight, 0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.880 So that's not a not a good look. Really hard 0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:09.879 to do, really hard to do pull ups. So luckily, 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:11.119 you know, you're kind of able to get out of 0:27:11.160 --> 0:27:13.240 those programs. And I just, you know, rehab got ready 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:15.760 for my senior year. Played my senior year. We had 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:20.440 a really good team, graduated, and was going to go 0:27:20.760 --> 0:27:24.280 back to school for my NBA so engineering Aeronautical engineering, 0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:25.879 NBA kind of that route. 0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.880 And so I ga'ed, So you want to design airplanes 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:29.439 to sell them? 0:27:29.680 --> 0:27:31.680 I mean, just put it all together, right, you know, 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:35.680 just capitalize it and go. So, uh, I went back 0:27:35.760 --> 0:27:38.879 gaid coached coaching offensive line. I played offensive line, and 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.080 you know, I remember just the first like half of 0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:44.600 the year going you just you miss it. You know, 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:46.000 you're like, man, I could still do this, like I 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:47.920 could still play, like you know, you're just you're kind 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:51.080 of like it's hard when the game's done. Like game's done, 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:52.879 it's done. It's like you're not putting the pads on, 0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.440 we're not going out back in the backyard and you know, 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.159 playing the game. So but I remember, you know, it 0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:02.000 was coaching offensive line. His kid, Jimmy Shirtzer, remember his 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:04.880 name was right guard. He was a sophomore and we're 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.920 getting ready to play coast guard academy. And I just 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:08.840 remember teaching him like, hey, look this is what gonna 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.600 happen on the goal line. They're gonna do this, make 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:12.520 this block, We're gonna score. It's gonna be really good. 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.399 And it happened in the game and we scored. And 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:22.240 the joy that I saw on his face by doing 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:25.960 something and achieving it just like flipped it flipped everything 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.199 for me. And I was like, that's the greatest thing 0:28:29.240 --> 0:28:31.240 I've ever seen to watch somebody actually be able to 0:28:31.359 --> 0:28:34.440 do what they work so hard to do, apply it 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.080 on the field, help a team win, and go that. 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:37.840 I just I got hooked. Now, my dad was a 0:28:38.360 --> 0:28:42.160 he was a wrestling coach, you know, so I had 0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:43.800 me and it was a teacher my mom. My mom 0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:47.080 was a teacher also, so he'sing was definitely part of 0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:48.880 in my you know, in my blood. But I just 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.280 I loved it, right, but I get, you know, I 0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:52.520 get done with that year, and my mom. 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:53.240 Was kind of like, hey, that. 0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:57.720 Just got that's probably gonna Hey, you really well, you 0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.160 need to go use it because your dad and I 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:00.960 are like getting ready to retire, you know. 0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:07.480 They were like, yeah, yeah, you're done sixty five, You're you're. 0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:09.000 Eighteen year out. Let's go figure it out. 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:11.160 So I did it? 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:11.800 Is it is? 0:29:11.960 --> 0:29:12.239 I did? 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:12.520 Uh? 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:12.960 I didn't. 0:29:13.080 --> 0:29:14.920 I left. I got an engineering job. I did engineering 0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:16.200 for like two years. But it was the same thing. 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:16.400 You know. 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.920 It was getting towards the fall, start to get fresh 0:29:20.000 --> 0:29:23.440 cut grass smell, and you start to just the sweat, 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:25.640 the lot all of it, you know, all that stuff 0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:27.320 just hits you and you're like, man, I missed this 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.480 a lot. So coach high school football, you know. And 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:32.880 my my boss was great. He let me do that. 0:29:33.000 --> 0:29:34.800 And I was volunteering. I was actually living in Syracuse. 0:29:34.800 --> 0:29:37.000 I was volunteering at s U with the strength staff 0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.440 at the time. And I don't know, I just I 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:43.760 didn't love my job at the time. My boss was great, 0:29:43.800 --> 0:29:47.200 people worked with were great. I missed football. I interviewed 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.080 for a job with an electric boat. I had been 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.360 talking to him for a couple of years. It was 0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:54.479 a I was offered a job as a nuclear maintenance 0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.960 engineer for all submarines and aircraft Carrieres and I say Navy, right, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.840 So a huge job, great job, unbelievable. You know summary, 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:03.920 planes are planes are great, Subs are super cool, so 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:06.239 you know, diving into how those are designed and put 0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:08.360 together and all that was amazing. So I get the job. 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.240 I'm literally driving home from the job. 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:11.560 Phone rings. 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.920 It's one of my old college coaches. He was at 0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:18.320 Amherst College and Western mass He's like, hey, He's like, look, 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.520 I got a D line job here, pays like five grand. 0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:23.400 He's like, what do you think? He's like, you want 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.240 to get into coaching? And I was like, you know, 0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:27.080 I just walked out of a building where they offered me. 0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:29.600 Like you know, you're twenty nothing years old, right, I'd 0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:30.920 been doing an interesting for a couple of years. I 0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.120 had like a BMW a jeep and I'm. 0:30:33.240 --> 0:30:34.880 Like, you know, I'm buying stuff like I don't know 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:36.360 what to do, right, you just you buy stuff. 0:30:37.680 --> 0:30:40.880 So very good offer from that company, a good salary, 0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:43.240 all the rest of it, like five thousand dollars a 0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:44.080 year coaching job. 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.280 And I was like, yeah, yep, I want it. Let 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:47.520 me do it. 0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:48.760 I'm gonna do it because if I don't do it 0:30:48.800 --> 0:30:50.000 now I'll never I'm never gonna do it. And if 0:30:50.040 --> 0:30:52.400 you're gonna bet on anyone, bet on yourself, right. 0:30:52.800 --> 0:30:54.840 So I called my mom. 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.200 She's like, how to go. I was like, it's great, 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:58.320 I got the job. She's like, that's awesome, that's amazing, 0:30:58.400 --> 0:30:59.880 Like how cool. I'm like, I'm not gonna take it. 0:31:00.320 --> 0:31:01.440 She's like, what are you talking about. I'm like, I 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:03.960 think I'm gonna go coach football. She's like what. I 0:31:04.040 --> 0:31:05.840 was like, yeah, they're gonna pay me like five grand. 0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:08.120 It's gonna be great. I'm gonna go coach, you know, 0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:10.760 defensive line at Amage College. And she was like, what 0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:13.200 what are you talking about? We just you know, you 0:31:13.360 --> 0:31:15.719 just graduated, got this. I said yeah. I said. If 0:31:15.720 --> 0:31:17.200 I don't do this now, I said, I'm never gonna 0:31:17.240 --> 0:31:20.520 do it. So quit everything. Moved to Amherst. I coached 0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.200 defensive line, was special teams, and I sold everything, you know, 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.240 because I just can't live them five thousand dollars a year, 0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:29.880 you know, but you're saving everything can So I sold 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.680 all my cars. I bought a bike bicycle, which is 0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:37.240 great around January when you're riding your bike to work 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.760 up a hill, you know, at five o'clock in the morning. 0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:42.240 Cars are whizzing by you. You're getting covered, and you're 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:44.480 just thinking, like if I just swerve into the road 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:45.800 and one of these dudes hits me, like all I 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:47.320 want is to ride, like just give me. I don't 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:49.800 even care, just just give me, Like I'm just just 0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.040 drive me off up the hill because this like I'm 0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:54.600 not a small dude. So like, you know, a mile 0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:57.040 up a hill on a bicycle in January is not fun, 0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.160 Like it's not fun at all. So yeah, yeah, coming 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.000 down was good because you were coming down was good. 0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.840 We grew up in northern California, walked up hill both ways, 0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:06.880 snow uphill. 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:09.040 Can I jump in here quick? I didn't realize you 0:32:09.080 --> 0:32:11.160 coached at amhers Can you speak a little bit about 0:32:11.240 --> 0:32:12.600 the Amherst Williams rivalry? 0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:16.240 Yeah, well absolutely, the little three right, and then Bill 0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:17.880 obviously went to Wesley and so that was another thing 0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:21.960 we talked about in the NESCAC. Huge rivalry the two schools. 0:32:22.920 --> 0:32:25.640 I think this I think the story was the president 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:28.680 at Williams left. I think he took all the books 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:31.640 out of the library went to Amherst, created this huge 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.360 rivalry between the two teams. So I remember my first year, 0:32:36.200 --> 0:32:39.040 I'm like, let's go, let's go be Union, and I 0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:40.760 was like, I was so like just in the like, 0:32:41.320 --> 0:32:43.320 this is my rival, it's a rival game. What's going 0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:45.840 I was like Union, Union, Union, and you can see 0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.480 all the guys like the fire what is there playing 0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:51.920 Williams coach Like. So we actually won and it was 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:53.480 the first time we had beating them in like I 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:54.960 don't even know how long, four or five years, so 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:57.440 that was really cool. I actually want to finish in 0:32:57.480 --> 0:33:00.440 my master's at UMass. Mark Whipple was the head coach there. 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:02.280 Don Brown was the defensive coordinator. They actually won the 0:33:02.360 --> 0:33:05.840 national championship around the same time. So I left Amherst. 0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:07.640 I went back to Syracuse. I was lucky enough coach 0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:09.680 Pascalon he was the head coach, went back there, and 0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:12.120 I coached at Syracuse George Leione and went back to offense. 0:33:12.560 --> 0:33:16.000 So played offense, coached offense, went to Amherst, coach defense, 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.040 coach special teams, went back to Syracuse, coached offense, was 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:20.640 the offensive line with coach de Leone. 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.520 And really at that point, like you know, growing up 0:33:24.520 --> 0:33:24.720 in that. 0:33:24.760 --> 0:33:28.000 Area, for me, like that was it. There was no 0:33:28.120 --> 0:33:30.440 pro sports. You know, it was Syracuse football was Syracuse 0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:32.640 basketball back in the day in the old school Big East, 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:36.520 like that was unbelievable, the rivalies, the Carrier Dome, and 0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.760 so going back to Syracuse for me was like amazing, 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:44.000 you know, and great people, great coaches. You know, was 0:33:44.040 --> 0:33:47.240 there three years and coach p actually was gonna flip 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:48.520 me over. I was going to go back to defense. 0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.880 I was going to coach linebackers there. And Brian Dabele calls. 0:33:53.680 --> 0:33:55.480 Brian and I had played against each other in college. 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:56.800 He had went to U of R I was at 0:33:56.880 --> 0:34:00.280 RPI and he said, hey, He's like, we're they were 0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.480 in the middle of getting ready for the Super Bowl 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.360 run and all the stuff and the point. So this 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.360 is three three and he's like he's like hey, He's like, look, 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.600 we're going to have an opening here. You know, I'm 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.440 moving around, some people are moving around. He's like, you know, 0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:14.120 do you want you know, you want to come out 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:14.520 an interview. 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:15.840 I was like that. 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.040 I hadn't even really thought about pro football at that point, 0:34:18.080 --> 0:34:21.120 and I was like, yeah, I'm like let me, you know, 0:34:21.280 --> 0:34:23.839 let me go check this out. You know. My draw 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.080 out of the game originally was I felt, you know, 0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:30.800 probably the same in college as a college coach. My 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.840 college coaches were incredibly influential in my life. Yeah, I 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.160 just felt college I could really really help, yeah, really 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.960 help these you know help. I just wanted to help, 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.239 you know, I just want to help kids and help 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.080 them become you know, young adults, young men. So I 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:47.040 thought college was it. So I go and interview and 0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.320 there was Syracuse guys at New England, you know, Ivan Fears, 0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:52.839 Syracuse guy, Mike Wosick was there. 0:34:53.640 --> 0:34:53.799 Guy. 0:34:54.200 --> 0:34:57.280 So I go in. I interviewed Dable obviously, Josh Charlie 0:34:57.280 --> 0:34:59.560 was the offensive coordinator. I was interviewing for offensive position 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:03.040 with those guys helping Dante, you know, Scar, helping with 0:35:03.080 --> 0:35:04.279 the on line, because that's what I was doing at 0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.160 Cracuse three hours with Bill, you know, going back and 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.080 forth playing the you know, football chess game, which he's 0:35:10.520 --> 0:35:11.000 very good at. 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.120 But what is that? How does that? What is football? 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:14.680 What do you Bill grilling young? 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:18.600 He wanted to really figure out how did I think, 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:21.320 how did that problem solve? And I think that's what 0:35:21.440 --> 0:35:23.640 he was looking for in the job, which you know 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.360 I did a pretty good job of, you know, And 0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:26.880 after that. 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:28.239 They like what's a question? 0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:30.960 Like, uh, it's just stuff that's going to be really 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:31.759 common to us. 0:35:31.880 --> 0:35:36.160 Now, Okay, you're sitting there, here we go, Okay, here 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.120 we go. What are you going to call in a 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:41.359 third and three situation? Your fucking head set goes out 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:43.240 all of a sudden, your middle line. 0:35:43.160 --> 0:35:46.080 Right now, thirteen years old watching the show, like, how 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:47.680 is that? 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:49.640 Is that a situation he's asking you? 0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:50.080 Or is it? 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.120 Like we would we talked a lot about. 0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.839 We were definitely we were doing Pythagoram theorem, and now 0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.320 we were talking about, hey, here's a formation. This is 0:35:59.360 --> 0:36:01.720 what the defense did. Why do you think the defense 0:36:01.800 --> 0:36:04.360 did that? You know, things like which you would know 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.600 is like a crunch call, right, so we could call 0:36:06.680 --> 0:36:08.480 cover two, but based on formation, you could bring the 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:10.640 corner off the edge because it was a short side 0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:12.520 or nubside on the back side. And now it looks 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:14.279 like a pressure. So a lot of people are gonna say, oh, no, 0:36:14.360 --> 0:36:16.080 they called a pressure here, but they didn't. It's just 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:19.919 a formation adjustment to the defense. So nice split again, 0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:22.600 nicely split to the backside. So things like that of 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:24.120 just trying to see like how did you see the game? 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.520 How did you process, how do you problem solve? Of course, 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.640 like you know, there's the grunt work that we have 0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:32.800 to do, the padding which is which was brutal. But 0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:34.799 you know all of us that went in there as 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.120 young coaches, right, So the young guys that got there 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.759 this you know, basically within a year or two of 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:43.640 each other. Was Dable, Josh Casario, myself now again Dable 0:36:43.719 --> 0:36:46.480 and Josh started on defense. I started on offense. Cory 0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:49.480 Onnglin was on depress when I got and then we flipped. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:52.680 Everybody flipped. Dable came over, Josh came over. Well, I 0:36:52.800 --> 0:36:57.400 told I took flow from special teams. I had Brian Ferrence. 0:36:57.480 --> 0:36:58.280 He went to offense. 0:36:58.360 --> 0:36:58.960 He started with me. 0:36:59.040 --> 0:36:59.920 He was one of my QC's. 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:03.480 It was my QC. Here was that when he started. 0:37:03.560 --> 0:37:05.800 He started on defense and then we switched before the 0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.960 season he went over all titands yep, but it was 0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:11.400 all we were just you know, learning the game. So 0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:14.880 get the job offered from New England and basically never 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.360 left like that was it? Like I went to the interview, 0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:19.239 packed my car, ad a car. At that point I 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:21.480 bought another car which was good, nice and yeah, I 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:23.200 think I went from five thousand a year too. I 0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:25.960 think Coach p paid me, like I don't know. 0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:27.920 If it was seventeen, it might have been seventeen. 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:31.600 I was. I was like, I'm getting the cars right, 0:37:31.719 --> 0:37:33.480 this is you know you got, I can afford I 0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:36.000 can afford lunch. You know you do though, Like and coaches, 0:37:36.280 --> 0:37:38.839 you know, they're great. Older coaches would be like, hey, 0:37:38.840 --> 0:37:40.400 I need you to go get lunch. Here's you know, 0:37:40.480 --> 0:37:42.640 twenty bucks. Like here's twenty bucks, you know, go get 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.279 a sandwich. And you'd come back and you'd be like, 0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:46.320 get the sandwich wherever you get to change. He's like, 0:37:46.360 --> 0:37:48.080 don't don't ever give me the change. And he was 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:50.000 like okay, So like they would you know. 0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.440 Yeah, Randy used to do that to me. That's a 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:57.359 rookie because I was a seventh rounder that except twenty bucks, 0:37:57.440 --> 0:38:00.640 it would be like an eight hundred dollars order, yeah, 0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.439 for fucking right before travel. But he give me the money. 0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:05.360 The travel cash was great travel. Cas know, if you 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.600 were as you were a young co young player, you 0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:08.440 know you had the older. 0:38:08.280 --> 0:38:10.960 Guys per diem take this perdice yet, but our per diem. 0:38:10.960 --> 0:38:12.759 Was like the little lesson everybody else. 0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.839 Yeah, it was like thirty six bucks. I remember when 0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:17.200 I first got there was thirty six bucks. Do you 0:38:17.280 --> 0:38:18.359 know what we used to do with the pa diem? 0:38:18.440 --> 0:38:20.440 Were you there when? Yeah? The plane used to we'll 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:21.120 be in the plane. 0:38:21.200 --> 0:38:21.359 Yeah. 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:25.360 It was As a young coach, I was like, please win, please, 0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:28.239 I need this. This is like the lights are being 0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.160 turned off so my apartment. If I don't win, the 0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:32.240 raft on the plane. 0:38:32.400 --> 0:38:34.759 So everyone would put there all their money and you'd 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:37.520 get and you put your initial on it, and you 0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:39.400 put it in this bag and one of the stewardess 0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:42.319 she'd go out and she'd pull it out, or she'd 0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:45.080 pull out. The first one gets his money back, so 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:46.840 the person would get the money back, and then the 0:38:46.920 --> 0:38:49.120 second one would take the whole bag. Oh you want 0:38:49.160 --> 0:38:51.359 to be second all day, all day? You ever win, listen, 0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:51.920 I would take it. 0:38:51.920 --> 0:38:53.759 I would take either one because I couldn't afford to 0:38:53.880 --> 0:38:55.560 lose the thirty six dollars. 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.520 I was like, I was done, and you cannot put 0:38:57.560 --> 0:38:59.239 it in. By the time I got out of. 0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.880 About sixty four, Yeah, went up every a couple of 0:39:01.960 --> 0:39:03.680 years if I lost that per diem, Like I wasn't 0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:06.000 gonna be able to leave the facility because gas had 0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:06.799 to stay in my car. 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.640 I was leaving it. Coaches they got nothing. They were 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.479 so broke, broke. 0:39:14.120 --> 0:39:15.040 I don't think I ever won. 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:15.439 Damn. 0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:15.759 I know. 0:39:16.120 --> 0:39:18.719 It's like the power even put mine in y P. 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.040 I mean, so in the end you're like you won. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:22.000 Yeah. We were good. 0:39:22.040 --> 0:39:23.719 Even when I was older and I had money, I 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.680 still didn't put it in. But yeah, so that was it. 0:39:26.760 --> 0:39:29.080 I got to New England and and just uh. I 0:39:29.200 --> 0:39:31.120 tried to learn as much as I could. 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:32.120 You know. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.000 I was on offense obviously for two years with scar Uh. 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.399 And then Bill came and he's like, hey, I'm gonna 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:40.000 flip you over. You're in coaching linebackers side the ball. 0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:42.439 And I was like, okay, this is this is gonna 0:39:42.480 --> 0:39:43.239 be It's gonna be good. 0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:47.719 Yeah. So Bill clearly did his homework on you though. 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:51.319 He's like, all right, I did want to. He worked 0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:55.040 on submarines. I'm a navy guy. He's he's a smart guy. 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:56.359 I'm a smart guy. 0:39:57.239 --> 0:40:00.319 So we had the Nescac little tree AMers William. 0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:04.640 Beginning last before we move on rocket science ship. 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:08.840 All my friends are actually rocket scientists. Get so pissed. 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.399 Why when people say that because like, bro, you didn't 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:17.120 even do this, don't steal valor heuronautical engineering ship. How 0:40:17.160 --> 0:40:21.120 does rocket fuel burn in space without oxygen? 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:24.960 Great? Great question, We're gonna cut this out of the 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:28.240 entire episode. It doesn't it doesn't need oxygen. 0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:30.880 It doesn't need oxygen. But I don't know. 0:40:30.880 --> 0:40:33.040 I'm gonna text somebody on that one, killing me right now? 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:37.000 What about why are why are can we go through 0:40:37.080 --> 0:40:40.680 like lift theories of Lyft of like you know Colvis 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.759 of Lyft on a plane, Like I actually was awake 0:40:42.800 --> 0:40:43.080 on something. 0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:45.960 You know, it was so funny. Listen, I played football too, 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:47.400 Like I was like, what do we remember? 0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:49.440 Listen, here's the whole thing. I went to RPI, the 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.200 valedictorian of my high school. She went to r P I. 0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:55.160 I sat right next to her, super smart. I was like, 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.320 I need a lot of help here. Like we're you know, 0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.400 the rest of my football buddies are like passed out 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:01.920 of there. They're taking like, you know, the my my 0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:04.279 electives in school. These were my electives. So like my 0:41:04.400 --> 0:41:07.480 main courses were like theory of flight, thermo dynamics one, 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:12.480 thermo dynamics two, Egan values, eigenvalues, you know, mathematic, fluid mechanics, 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.160 all that stuff. I was like, I need a I 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.200 need like a can I get like an elective and not. 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.960 I don't want to say easy, but I'm just dynamics one, 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:25.680 Thermo dynamics two. I was like, I'm gonna take econ microeconomics, macronomics. 0:41:25.719 --> 0:41:27.600 Those are my classes. I was like, okay, I just 0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.440 need a couple of these, Like those are your electives? 0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:31.279 What was your course? 0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:31.560 Lad? 0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:32.160 At Kent State? 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:36.759 I had African American Studies read Oh, I had a 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:39.399 sex edge class I got. I did a sexual human 0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:45.160 sexuality class. It was awesome, nice, and then I had 0:41:45.160 --> 0:41:47.560 a lot of bunch of business classes. When we had 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:49.800 Ernie on the show, we were like, oh wow, Ernie 0:41:49.960 --> 0:41:53.919 loves that old academic. Ernie's one of the great things Ernie. 0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.640 You know, Ernie obviously loves football like we do. So 0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:01.040 I go to dinner at her Ernie's one night, I 0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.440 go to see my wife and Ernie lives in an 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:05.760 amazing cool old. 0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:09.840 House, years old parents living. Yeah, exactly, it's been in 0:42:09.880 --> 0:42:10.360 his family for. 0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.640 Built a library in the attic of this thing that 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:20.160 is the coolest historical like playbooks, Like I was like, Ernie, 0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.160 let me learn about the flex defense. He's like, Boom, 0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.560 grabs the book, pulls it out. Here's the Dallas flex defense. 0:42:26.840 --> 0:42:28.480 You know, Randy White, the whole deal. And we're going 0:42:28.600 --> 0:42:30.879 like I was like hours up there. I was like, Okay, 0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:33.480 let me give me the whatever, orange crush, give me 0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:36.359 the purple people waters. And it's like we're pulling playbooks off. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:38.920 So that to me, I love Ernie, Like that was 0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.239 the best. Like and again I walked I walked by 0:42:41.280 --> 0:42:42.880 his office every day and I was like, Ernie, what 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:44.839 are we talking about today, Let's learn, let's talk, let's 0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:46.560 We'd go back and forth and uh. 0:42:46.680 --> 0:42:48.520 What was the best Ernie nugget? Because I always ask 0:42:48.560 --> 0:42:51.279 because I was always I always used to use Ernie 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:53.759 because like people were like scared of him, like what 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.040 does this guy do? He's eating the tomato by himself, 0:42:56.800 --> 0:42:58.880 Like who is this guy? And I would go up, 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:02.640 what's what's the give me a little something on the punter? 0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:05.400 What's good? He's like, well, you know he does this, 0:43:06.160 --> 0:43:08.040 it's gonna arrows. 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:12.440 Like we're just so. My wife and I were going 0:43:12.480 --> 0:43:14.920 to Italy. We were going for three weeks and he 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.399 he loves to travel Yeah, loves to travel and he's 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.520 been everywhere, and so he got all excited to tell 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.520 me about a race called the Palio in Siena. You 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:27.480 look it up, bro, you gotta go. This is the 0:43:27.600 --> 0:43:30.319 most insane thing. We've been to a lot of insane things. 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.520 This was insane. So it happens twice a year. I 0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:34.239 think it was in July. 0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:34.960 We're going to July. 0:43:35.080 --> 0:43:36.760 So he tells me he's all excited about the Polio. 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:40.160 A whole different story. That was crazy. It's a horse race. 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.040 It's literally, I would say a nice way because it's 0:43:43.040 --> 0:43:46.000 my people, but it's it's like the it's the village 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:47.160 idiot on the village horse. 0:43:47.160 --> 0:43:47.600 I swear to you. 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:49.640 It's like the most amazing thing. It's the most corrupt, 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:54.760 I've sad video, unbelievable. And it's in the center piazza 0:43:54.920 --> 0:44:01.040 in Siena. But the pageantry, the the just all the 0:44:01.160 --> 0:44:03.880 villages come out to different sections. It's amazing. It's like majestic. 0:44:03.920 --> 0:44:07.239 And Ernie had he's the one that told me about this, 0:44:07.280 --> 0:44:09.640 and he had gone. So he had also told me 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.239 that he Ernie loves lions like he loves line. So 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.560 he told me so everywhere I went in Italy. You 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:17.359 know there's like lionheads, you know, from the Roman days 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.400 and all that stuff. So my wife took pictures of 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.479 all the lion heads and we made them a book, 0:44:22.600 --> 0:44:25.240 like a table book of all the lion heads in Italy. 0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:28.880 And he was like it was just you know, like 0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:31.600 you see that other side, like get him back. So 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:32.520 it was pretty cool. 0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.520 So yeah, there it is. It's pobably, dude, we are. 0:44:35.640 --> 0:44:35.880 We are. 0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.000 So I'm in the middle, like see that craziness in 0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.200 the middle. So we get there and of course, like 0:44:41.239 --> 0:44:42.520 it's one of those things like see all the people 0:44:42.560 --> 0:44:44.399 sitting in the balcony, like all those people up there. 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:46.680 So I'm I'm at the front desk in Siena. The 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:48.920 resort was staying. I'm like, hey, can I get tickets? 0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:50.359 Like how do you like the And they called them 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:52.920 like yeah, they're like two thousand whatever it was at 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.880 the time, Like I ticket in somebody's living room like 0:44:55.400 --> 0:44:57.759 selling bucks. Like I'm like I don't think we're doing that. 0:44:57.840 --> 0:44:59.600 Sit in somebody's living room. They're like we can sit 0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.680 in the middle. It's free. And I was like okay, 0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:04.600 well free, okay, Like hey babe, come on we're going 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:08.040 this is gonna be great. So we see the horse 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:09.839 with no rider. Bro, wait till I tell you this story. 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:11.120 So this is the one we went to it. 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.080 So I'm probably in this picture somewhere. I'm telling you, 0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:16.200 you're gonna find me. So it is a one hundred 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:19.480 and nine degrees. We're on cobblestone. Once you're in there, 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.400 you cannot leave. They close you in there, so no 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.600 bathroom eight hours. My wife's like, what are we doing right, 0:45:26.680 --> 0:45:28.040 you know, because it's. 0:45:27.840 --> 0:45:29.600 All real fun. It's all real fun when you go 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:31.440 in there at like nine in the morning. But by 0:45:31.520 --> 0:45:34.200 five pm, she's like, what this is sandy. 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.960 They'll say yeah, and you can't get drinks, like, you 0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:38.719 can't get anything, and everybody in there. What happened was 0:45:38.800 --> 0:45:39.520 because it was empty. 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:40.319 I was like, this is great. 0:45:40.320 --> 0:45:42.240 We were right by the finish line. We don't realize 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:45.080 is that they parade everybody through all of the villages 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:47.440 fill in their sections. So now you're in the middle 0:45:47.440 --> 0:45:50.480 of like crazy people that actually have a lot of 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.320 money on these horses and they're betting and all the 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:55.880 rest of this stuff. So it's three laps. So it 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:58.399 takes off in the first last nuts and it's like sand. 0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:00.640 They put sand on cobblestone, so that's real good, right, 0:46:01.400 --> 0:46:05.160 And the horses are slipping. The horse with no rider, 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:09.000 this dude comes around the corner and like launches his 0:46:09.239 --> 0:46:12.520 rider into the crowd. So people just get wiped out 0:46:12.560 --> 0:46:14.960 by the guy. The horse bangs into the side, so 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.080 he starts running because he's just running. 0:46:17.120 --> 0:46:18.600 So he starts running with the rest of the horses. 0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:20.400 He gets lapped too, he stops. 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:23.239 Now he's standing in perpendicular as the rest of the 0:46:23.280 --> 0:46:25.279 horses are coming out, like this is like bowling. This 0:46:25.400 --> 0:46:28.040 is gonna be amazing, right, So all the horses scattered. 0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:31.200 Dudes get thrown off. The guys are like trying to avoid. 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:33.600 Now the horse starts running the opposite direction. So now 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.040 here comes on the third lap, everybody's running. They're running 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:38.080 at each other. I'm like, this is the most amazing 0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.720 thing I've ever seen. So now the two lead horses 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.080 get around and I'm looking and the guy in the 0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:48.160 orange who won, he is whipping he and the guy 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.320 in the red and black were the two. They're whipping 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.640 each other's horses to try to like get him. Like 0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.840 they're not they're like hit it was the craziest. It 0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:57.160 was the craziest thing I've ever seen. 0:46:57.280 --> 0:47:00.400 I want to see this race in Louisiana. I was 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:06.799 gonna say, Kentucky Derby take notes. That is so cool. 0:47:06.880 --> 0:47:07.560 So that was Ernie. 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:08.600 Ernie gave me the polio. 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.600 Freaking Ernie. When when Ernie so we had him out 0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:15.920 here before he came out, he he looked at my 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:19.640 address and he read up on the development of where 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.080 I live in Santa mon A, Hysteria in l A. Yeah, 0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:25.239 and we took about the dinner. He's like, he's like 0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:30.360 wat yeah. It is like he's just so Ernie. I 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:33.000 was like, oh my god, this guy is so crazy. Dude. 0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.880 Getting to share a beer with Ernie at Hillstone's bucket 0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:37.640 list item it was unreal. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:42.439 He ordered the ribs, ribs, let's go back to a round. 0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.960 Ernie falling down when we told the story, bro, he 0:47:46.080 --> 0:47:48.000 looked like I literally thought he was dead. And you know, 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.359 like it was Thursday, right, so Thursday of Super Bowl 0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:54.520 week the families were coming in. So his wife was 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:57.120 coming in and I remember I'm like, hey, Ernie, Ernie 0:47:57.400 --> 0:47:59.680 had to go stitches, like he split his head open. 0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:01.800 I'm like, he's okay, you know, and it's like she 0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:03.520 just gets off a plaint. She's like what She's like, 0:48:03.560 --> 0:48:06.320 I'm like, yeah, trip fell backwards, split his side open. 0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:07.920 And it's all bandaged. Doesn't look good, but he's all right, 0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:09.520 have you got a concussion? 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:09.799 Yeah? 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.680 Probably, you know, but he he's on the product. But 0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:14.800 he coached her. There was nobody at the rest of 0:48:14.840 --> 0:48:16.360 practice that was going to go light because it was like, 0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:17.440 Ernie just got back out here. 0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:19.320 He put his hooto like, I think we can finish 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:21.279 our profusely. 0:48:22.040 --> 0:48:25.720 It looked like it looked like carries carry his blood 0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:30.040 everywhere Ernie. And then then twenty five minutes later we're 0:48:30.040 --> 0:48:32.080 all we go through probably and then you see Ernie's 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.320 coming out, stumbling out and got fucking it looks like 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:36.680 a mummy. You get that turkey shatter transplant. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.400 Literally looked like the Revolutionary I was like, yeah, I 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.239 was like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:41.839 seen right here. 0:48:42.200 --> 0:48:45.720 Let's go back to around January twenty second, twenty twelve, 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:47.719 that's when the game took place, and we like to 0:48:47.800 --> 0:48:49.800 go and talk about what was going on outside. 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:51.799 If you can put whatever you want as far as 0:48:51.880 --> 0:48:54.120 what was going on in the real world. I have 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:55.279 no idea like I have. 0:48:55.600 --> 0:48:59.120 You could like contra band like Mark Wilberg, listen I. 0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:01.759 Like now currently my wife she calls me like in 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:03.440 Sino man. She's like, I'm like, I don't know how 0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.480 to use the dishwash, Like I don't know how to 0:49:05.520 --> 0:49:08.320 do anything like that. If it's wasn't in that building, 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:08.920 I'm out. 0:49:09.000 --> 0:49:10.759 You don't listen to music while you're game planning by 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:11.880 yourself in the facility. 0:49:13.200 --> 0:49:15.359 Actually all used to be in the room. We would 0:49:15.440 --> 0:49:16.040 listen to music. 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:18.319 Music. What was on the list? I mean for us, 0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.680 it would be probably a lot of Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam? 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:21.279 Is it? 0:49:21.400 --> 0:49:23.799 Bon Jovi? Like the show Ship, I mean we love 0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.120 so Bill was out there bon Jovi. 0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:28.719 I'm a big Buffett guy, So Jimmy Buffett, that's the 0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:31.520 last mango that those are my guys. Jimmy was great. 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:33.719 We played a lot of comedy too, like just stand 0:49:33.800 --> 0:49:37.080 up comedians just because you needed something going now. There 0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:38.960 was also a lot of comedy probably going on in 0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:42.160 the room. We would sit in the staff room late, 0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.120 you know, whether it was Bowyer and Flow and myself. 0:49:45.640 --> 0:49:48.759 Who had the ox cord, who was putting the music on. 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:50.800 Who had the playlist? 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.279 It probably changed, It probably changed. It would probably be 0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:54.680 then I'd be like, you know, flow, let's get some 0:49:54.800 --> 0:49:57.040 music or Lawyer's get some music on or whatever it was. 0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.320 Bed would come in or a lot of times, you know, 0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:04.000 would be fun in the fall too World Series, you know, 0:50:04.120 --> 0:50:05.839 some sort of championship game. So it would be late 0:50:05.840 --> 0:50:08.640 in October, you know, beat because he was hardcore and baseball. 0:50:08.680 --> 0:50:11.400 He'd be out there basically crying or screaming based on 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:13.360 whichever way the game was going, which was awesome. 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:16.160 The late Night's coaching. 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.400 As much as it sucked being away from your family thing, 0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:22.240 it was fun because you're just hanging doing football. 0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.040 Who's some of your favorite Yeah, that's a great question. 0:50:25.320 --> 0:50:28.520 I think there's like classics for me. You know, obviously 0:50:29.920 --> 0:50:32.399 you go back to like Robin Williams. I think Robin 0:50:32.400 --> 0:50:35.080 Williams at the met It was George Carlin at Carnegie Hall. 0:50:36.160 --> 0:50:39.680 Eddie Murphy when he had the red suit on. 0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:41.320 That was delirious. 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:45.759 Yep, that was a classic one. I got really into 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:54.200 Sebastian men. But you know who the best guy that 0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.800 got me into all that stuff? Though you're gonna have 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.839 to guess this one of my favorite all time people 0:50:58.880 --> 0:50:59.319 to be around. 0:50:59.480 --> 0:50:59.919 Is he a coach? 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:02.920 You know, he was a special teams linebacker. 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.320 Special teams Dane Fletcher. 0:51:04.560 --> 0:51:06.080 I loved Dane Fletchers talk to me the other day. 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:09.000 I loved Dane same time Dane Fletcher and this guy. 0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.920 So we had tradition in the defensive room. It was, 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:18.120 you know, so pizza Friday, pizza. So pizza Friday was 0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:19.600 a big thing. That was a big Dante thing when 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:22.120 I was on offense. And Pizza Friday the whole idea 0:51:22.360 --> 0:51:24.879 and why Ted struggled with this, right, And remember Ted's 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:28.239 first shout to tell the Ted story toist was he 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:30.320 came in right. So that was our third that was 0:51:30.360 --> 0:51:33.000 our fourth. Right, So Joanne was first, then we had 0:51:33.200 --> 0:51:34.840 guy was there for like a cup of coffee, and 0:51:34.920 --> 0:51:37.520 then Joel took over for him and Ted right, So, 0:51:37.680 --> 0:51:39.680 but we always had Pizza Friday. And the idea with 0:51:39.760 --> 0:51:42.680 Pizza Friday was this, It wasn't about the pizza, It 0:51:42.800 --> 0:51:44.680 was about the mentality. Right. So when you were in 0:51:44.760 --> 0:51:49.839 school and you went to school, pizza on Friday, right, Well, okay, 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:51.400 Friday's gonna be a good day because. 0:51:51.200 --> 0:51:51.480 You went in. 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:53.239 It was actually it was the only meal that was 0:51:53.280 --> 0:51:56.920 actually only good meal of school meal that you actually 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.799 buy and eat Pizza Friday. But the idea for us, 0:52:00.920 --> 0:52:02.520 and again this back in the day four got crazy, 0:52:02.600 --> 0:52:04.680 like it got crazy in New England, but literally because 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:06.680 I had to do the practice schedules so I would. 0:52:06.760 --> 0:52:09.000 I remember, people were amazed I figured out how to 0:52:09.160 --> 0:52:12.520 paste like it was Dominoes and KFC, like that's what 0:52:12.600 --> 0:52:14.640 we had. It was Dominoes and KFC and PA some 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:16.560 of the practice schedules, thank god. 0:52:16.719 --> 0:52:17.839 But it was all right. 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.600 The work week is, we're coming to the end. It's 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.640 all positive. Let's not be yelling and screaming today. Let's 0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:25.680 go out and have a good prem Let's feel. Yeah, 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:29.319 let's feel. Let's have a good mental day. Like it's 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:32.720 pizza Friday. Everybody'd be good. Now, Scar, if you remember, 0:52:32.800 --> 0:52:35.520 he'd like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. Don't make because Scar 0:52:35.600 --> 0:52:38.160 had the other side that could come out real quick, 0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.279 and he'd be like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. I'm not 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:43.759 yelling today, don't get me so. And the defensive side 0:52:43.760 --> 0:52:45.399 of the ball. Not only Pizza Friday, but we used 0:52:45.400 --> 0:52:48.560 to have videos on Friday. Ny videos. 0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.279 So originally started out as like highlights. We started off 0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:52.520 with like high school highlights. 0:52:52.760 --> 0:52:54.239 You know it'd be it'd be good because you had 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:56.600 some legit dudes at a high school film and then 0:52:56.680 --> 0:53:00.400 you'd have like, you know whatever, Rob Ryan's highlight of 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:04.719 his high so funny stuff. But then it turned into like, okay, hey, 0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:08.360 we need some comedy. And it was always usually the 0:53:08.440 --> 0:53:12.000 QC's job to get a tape and credit quality control, 0:53:12.160 --> 0:53:14.560 young coach, and it better be funny because these guys 0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:17.120 we've been yelling and screaming all week. We need something 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.160 funny before we go on the field. And Vince was 0:53:19.200 --> 0:53:24.319 the best because Vince, we didn't leave. I love love Vince, right, 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:26.920 so Vince wouldn't leave until we showed the video. Even 0:53:26.960 --> 0:53:29.480 though Scottio had a meeting coming in, Vince like it 0:53:29.520 --> 0:53:33.080 didn't matter, and like Vince wasn't leaving, the next meeting 0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:37.440 wasn't starting, and he wanted something funny. Well, Nico Kuda 0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:41.480 Viti's funny comes in and Nico is one of the funniest, best, great. 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:45.680 Heart of human being, who is the what did they 0:53:45.760 --> 0:53:48.640 call it in the in the Italian world levantier or something. 0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:51.520 Okay, killing me right now? 0:53:51.840 --> 0:53:56.520 So you always calling levantier though, So Nico. 0:53:56.320 --> 0:53:58.320 Would bring in the videos and he like, did he 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.799 take this was like the one like I don't think 0:54:01.840 --> 0:54:05.960 he knew any of the defensive assignments, but he nailed Friday. 0:54:06.160 --> 0:54:08.560 We would be laughing at the curb he had me, 0:54:08.840 --> 0:54:10.800 He had me dying. He loves because that's kind of 0:54:11.040 --> 0:54:12.000 Nico's humor too. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:14.879 Because you know, Chicago Italian stuff. Nico was great. 0:54:15.360 --> 0:54:17.759 But in the sports route of twenty eleven and twenty twelve, 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:20.640 as a sports guy, you probably know that the Giants 0:54:20.640 --> 0:54:23.920 won the Super Bowl. That was a bad one. Rogers 0:54:23.960 --> 0:54:25.359 won in I'll tell you what though. 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.160 You know what the Giants Super Bowl taught everybody if 0:54:27.200 --> 0:54:31.040 you're paying close attention situational football. What situation did I 0:54:31.120 --> 0:54:33.919 have to execute in that game to give us a chance? 0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:35.359 This was this was tough. 0:54:35.440 --> 0:54:40.600 Now, that was the situation. Rolex Rox Rolex, nice job, 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:41.160 nice job. 0:54:41.680 --> 0:54:43.400 So you know what happened with that? So at the 0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:44.880 end of the Super Bowl, what happens is you know 0:54:44.960 --> 0:54:45.319 you got the. 0:54:45.440 --> 0:54:47.720 Coachha player points. 0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:51.880 Time is more important than points exactly, So within the 0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:53.759 two minutes or within three minutes at the end of 0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:57.560 the Super Bowl, all the sideline media turns on, all 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.560 the cameras, all this stuff, so everything turns on. The 0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:03.359 headsets went down, and there was no stopping at that point, 0:55:03.480 --> 0:55:05.680 and I just remember, you know, May and those guys 0:55:05.719 --> 0:55:07.880 on the field, it's they're going in and it was like, 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.200 oh my gosh, this is Rolex and I just hit 0:55:10.320 --> 0:55:12.000 him with the set. It was like, hit him with 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.640 the signal. There's no time to talk about it. I'm 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:16.560 not talking through the helmet. It was like the one 0:55:16.640 --> 0:55:20.279 signal and everybody knew what to do. It's a horrible game, 0:55:20.320 --> 0:55:22.200 but I'm reaching for anything positive there. 0:55:22.239 --> 0:55:25.440 But yeah, we made up for it. N C two 0:55:25.480 --> 0:55:26.719 A champion Alabama. 0:55:26.880 --> 0:55:29.120 Yeah, yeah, that's easy because really I think there was 0:55:29.160 --> 0:55:31.080 a stretch in there where we just rotated every other year. 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:32.759 Every other year he won or we won, and it 0:55:32.880 --> 0:55:36.600 was back and forth. I mean this was the second 0:55:36.640 --> 0:55:40.080 at Bama. Second. Yeah, you know coach saban at all? 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:41.200 How was he? 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.680 He's great. Meet him, He's actually great, and him and 0:55:44.760 --> 0:55:48.080 Bill together are great. Uh, Nick's knicks. Really, he's been 0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:49.640 really good to me, Like I was. I was a 0:55:49.719 --> 0:55:53.400 keynote speaker at their clinic one year. Yeah, when you know, 0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:55.800 I was coaching in Detroit, had a couple of coaches. 0:55:56.080 --> 0:55:58.520 He would call and we'd ask about guys. He always 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:01.239 you know, it was Nick was amazing, you know, getting. 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:01.560 Ready for the draft. 0:56:01.560 --> 0:56:05.160 It's obviously hard, right, so you're we're calling college coaches, 0:56:05.160 --> 0:56:06.680 we're obviously there. We'd go there and spend a lot 0:56:06.680 --> 0:56:09.799 of time there, and you know, you could call him 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:11.120 like the day of the draft, day before the draft 0:56:11.160 --> 0:56:12.759 and be like, hey, all right, Nick, real quick, what 0:56:12.800 --> 0:56:14.759 do you think? And he would whatever he's doing, he 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:16.719 would tell you he was really awesome. The thing, the 0:56:16.760 --> 0:56:21.439 funniest thing about Alabama was it was more like will 0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.080 you know muss Champ and like Kirby, who are the 0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:26.640 defensive coordinators there? And that was the defensive coordinat obviously 0:56:26.680 --> 0:56:29.080 in New England, And like all of a sudden, like 0:56:29.160 --> 0:56:30.560 Bill and Nick would get together and they'd have a 0:56:30.600 --> 0:56:33.120 conversation and all of a sudden, like Kirby called me 0:56:33.200 --> 0:56:35.080 and be like, all right, listen, what what is this 0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.799 defense you're running? Because like our two head guys got 0:56:37.840 --> 0:56:40.120 together and he's trying to like what you know, or 0:56:40.200 --> 0:56:43.600 Bill'll be like, hey, call will call Kirby. They've got this, 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:46.640 you know, sonic boom whatever. He's like, we got to 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:49.279 put that on, Like, could you just stop talking to 0:56:49.640 --> 0:56:51.520 because it was more work for us, you know, but 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:53.480 so we so we the three of us kind of 0:56:53.520 --> 0:56:55.799 laugh all the time about that because you know, it's 0:56:55.840 --> 0:56:57.440 just that's all part of the tree. You know, we're 0:56:57.520 --> 0:56:57.960 on that tree. 0:56:58.120 --> 0:57:01.200 I'm such a nick Saban fan. I don't I think 0:57:01.280 --> 0:57:04.759 I were elbows just because of I think he was 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:06.960 at a facility of one of our practices or something. 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:11.080 Time he went to Kent State. Ye played at Kent State. 0:57:11.280 --> 0:57:13.600 And I don't know, but I've heard through their gate Brian. 0:57:13.640 --> 0:57:15.359 I could be completely wrong, but I heard he's our 0:57:15.400 --> 0:57:17.760 biggest booster. He gives our school the most money. 0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:18.840 I wouldn't doubt that. 0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.800 You know. That's fucking cool. He sts a huge heart, Yeah, 0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.120 huge heart coaches. So I'm in Alabama. That's why I 0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:27.160 always root for Alabama. Well, nothingmore, but I was always 0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:30.760 saving Fanny's gold flash. We'll be right back after this 0:57:30.920 --> 0:57:35.360 quick break, Jackie. Let's break down this game. Let's start 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:37.920 with the New England Patriots and set the stage, Bubbs. 0:57:37.920 --> 0:57:40.760 All right, Let's start with these with these Pats thirteen 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:41.200 and three. 0:57:42.160 --> 0:57:45.080 This is of course head coach Bill Belichick. I Leo 0:57:45.280 --> 0:57:48.080 run the offense. Maddy p was the primary defensive play 0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:48.680 caller this year. 0:57:49.480 --> 0:57:51.080 Really great, that's great. 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:53.680 Bill in the defensive coordinator since twenty ten. 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:55.160 Primary defense college. 0:57:55.200 --> 0:57:58.280 I was the high I was the was a defensive coordinator, 0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:00.360 was the lowest paid outside line baer coachure what was 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:01.560 in my contrac was like ridiculous. 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:03.720 Did you ask him on the three hour car ride? Why? 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:04.080 Why that? 0:58:04.200 --> 0:58:05.120 It was always the case? 0:58:05.360 --> 0:58:08.000 I mean, I know why we did it. As a 0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:10.560 young coordinator, Josh when he came over to offense. So 0:58:10.640 --> 0:58:12.720 I was on offense, right, Charlie Leaves, he goes Notre 0:58:12.840 --> 0:58:16.880 Dame Josh on offense, he's calling plays. You know myself 0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:20.800 on defense twenty ten when I started running the defense. 0:58:21.280 --> 0:58:24.160 Bill O'Brien when he started running the offense. So the 0:58:24.240 --> 0:58:28.680 thing was his young coordinators in the league. Honestly, Bill 0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.200 was just trying to protect us. He was trying to 0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.600 protect us as play callers, to allow us to learn 0:58:35.560 --> 0:58:38.160 how to be a play caller, learn how to run 0:58:38.240 --> 0:58:41.439 those meetings, run the defense, run the offense without having 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:46.120 the direct even though we did scrutiny of everybody else. 0:58:46.680 --> 0:58:49.440 It actually really I've always wondered that. So what happened was, 0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:50.920 you know, I was so. 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:52.720 My first year is a play caller. So again, boy 0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:57.560 was was with me the whole run, you know. And 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:02.840 in twenty ten ten I coached linebackers. I was coordinated 0:59:02.840 --> 0:59:08.520 the defense called the defense. Pat Graham was left, so 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:12.520 I coached with that Blazzero damp Yeah. Yeah, So I 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.120 was a linebackers coach, you know, the coordinator, and Pat 0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:17.480 Graham was my QC. 0:59:17.920 --> 0:59:20.400 So defensive coordinator for the Raiders right now. 0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:23.840 So after one year, I said to Bill, because look, 0:59:24.000 --> 0:59:26.400 it was all about the way Josh and Brian and 0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.760 I were raised in the system was you know, Romeo 0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:33.400 was the defensive coordinator, Charlie was the offensive coordinator, and 0:59:34.120 --> 0:59:38.000 we were raised to develop our own That's the that's 0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:40.400 been the philosophy of New England, and that is what 0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:42.920 he wanted to do when he got there. And that 0:59:43.120 --> 0:59:45.320 was Charlie and Rack and the offensive coaches that were 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:48.000 or the defensive coaches. They taught us how to be coaches. 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:49.760 So you know, you q seed, you're a young coach 0:59:49.800 --> 0:59:51.440 and then you became a coach, you know, and that 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:53.880 allowed to be able to coach the team. So the 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:56.360 philosophy was, look, the coaches coach the players, you know, 0:59:56.560 --> 0:59:59.800 the coordinators coached the coaches, and the head coach coach 0:59:59.880 --> 1:00:00.240 the team. 1:00:00.320 --> 1:00:00.960 That's everybody. 1:00:01.280 --> 1:00:05.479 So that is that's how it worked. And so again 1:00:05.600 --> 1:00:06.760 we were trying to raise our own So after a 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:09.800 year twenty ten past the QC, you know, Flow, who 1:00:09.800 --> 1:00:12.280 I knew was great coach, going to be a great coach, 1:00:12.320 --> 1:00:14.320 and he was in special teams and Flow again when 1:00:14.360 --> 1:00:15.680 I got their, Flow was on you know, he had 1:00:15.680 --> 1:00:16.240 gotten there too. 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:18.040 He was the scouting department, you know, and then he 1:00:18.080 --> 1:00:18.480 came over. 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:22.360 So I wanted Flow in defense, so I said, Bill, 1:00:22.400 --> 1:00:24.840 I said, listen, I go, let's move Josh. You know 1:00:25.000 --> 1:00:26.880 boyer he was going to coach corners, so let him 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:30.880 coach corners. I'll coach the safeties. Let's make Pat the 1:00:30.960 --> 1:00:33.680 linebackers coach, and let's get Flow over here as the QC. 1:00:34.360 --> 1:00:36.680 So that was like the plan for that year, and 1:00:36.840 --> 1:00:38.080 it was good for me to get in the back 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:40.440 end again. And that's you know, really what Bill did too. 1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:44.360 Build did this similar thing in his coaching career when 1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:46.440 he was coming up. He had hired a guy that 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:50.760 was linebacker guy, so he moved from linebackers to safeties 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:52.440 and coached the back end. So all of that was 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:55.360 part of our training well, just because you got to 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:57.520 learn all the coverages right and get all that married. 1:00:57.760 --> 1:00:59.680 And when you coach the linebackers, obviously you're coaching all 1:00:59.720 --> 1:01:01.120 of it. You know, you got to coach the fronts, 1:01:01.160 --> 1:01:03.160 the run fits, the coverage, all that stuff, but then 1:01:03.240 --> 1:01:05.240 to get into the intricacies of the coverage stuff and 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:08.640 be able to develop those guys. And we were, you know, again, 1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:11.280 this was a transitional time for us defensively. The old 1:01:11.360 --> 1:01:13.200 heads had all retired and moved on. 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.360 Thomas Sierra was gone. This was the start of the 1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:20.920 new I would say then, was like the start of 1:01:20.960 --> 1:01:21.440 the real news. 1:01:21.480 --> 1:01:23.440 We'd say, the the the area that was gone was 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:25.760 more of like the Bruskies, the Rabels, the making and 1:01:25.800 --> 1:01:29.680 all those guys stage more like it was more like 1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:32.960 Mayo was our holdover. So I drafted him and that 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:34.880 was eight you know, I told him, sit in the room, 1:01:34.920 --> 1:01:36.840 be quiet, just learn, you know which he was amazing 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:40.880 defensive player of the year, and so Mayo found Nikovic. 1:01:41.360 --> 1:01:43.600 He was the holdover and then the rest of it was, 1:01:43.720 --> 1:01:46.040 you know, we were piecemealing, you know, Pierre Woods, Eric 1:01:46.040 --> 1:01:48.200 Alexander who I heard from the other day, which was great, 1:01:49.040 --> 1:01:53.480 you know, yees, so cool, all those guys. So this 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:55.160 was the point where okay, like I was starting to 1:01:55.200 --> 1:01:57.920 rebuild the secondary, drafted, Devin had Pat there were all 1:01:58.000 --> 1:02:00.200 the young guys that we were bringing in to try 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:03.160 to get them rolling. So I moved the safest for 1:02:03.160 --> 1:02:06.080 the year. The next year, again, Flow is the QC 1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:08.919 I said about I said, look, just let me I'll 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:11.480 just do coordinate the defense. So I don't care whatever 1:02:11.520 --> 1:02:13.040 title you want to get me out. I don't care 1:02:13.040 --> 1:02:13.600 about titles. 1:02:13.680 --> 1:02:14.800 Yeah, I'll coordinate the defense. 1:02:14.840 --> 1:02:18.240 But let's move Flow the safeties. Let's start his progression 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:20.800 and uh, you know, and then we'll get the next QC. 1:02:21.000 --> 1:02:22.640 So it was always that was the idea was I 1:02:22.720 --> 1:02:25.800 was always trying to I'll move positions. I don't care 1:02:26.040 --> 1:02:29.080 because't what I'm doing is gonna change. But how do 1:02:29.160 --> 1:02:30.920 we keep moving the young guys up? Yeah, you know, 1:02:31.000 --> 1:02:32.560 And that's what we did defense. And then eventually I 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:34.720 got stev B and then Stevie you know, he was 1:02:34.800 --> 1:02:37.320 my QC and then you know, Mike and Brian and 1:02:37.440 --> 1:02:39.120 kind of just rolled through. I got bad who came 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:41.040 in finally and was coaching the D line and stuff. 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:44.240 So what did b d fucking have a great little 1:02:44.280 --> 1:02:47.480 thing going? Well, yeah, he went won three Super Bowls 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:49.919 with us. Now he's with the Chiefs, won all those three. Yeah, 1:02:50.400 --> 1:02:54.120 well this fucking guy. So keep going on the team, Jackie. Yeah. 1:02:54.160 --> 1:02:56.640 Just to further contextualize this season, we're coming off the 1:02:56.720 --> 1:03:01.160 Can't Wait Game, the the work Round in twenty ten, 1:03:01.360 --> 1:03:04.280 Brady's coming off an MVP season. The season before this 1:03:04.360 --> 1:03:07.760 season was dedicated to Missus Graft. Of course, the patches 1:03:07.800 --> 1:03:12.560 on the Jerseys lost uncharacteristically lost back to back out 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:13.320 of the bye week. 1:03:13.560 --> 1:03:15.800 And then rattled off eighth straight to finish regular season. 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:19.080 Would we lose to there? It was the Giants and 1:03:19.160 --> 1:03:22.560 the Steelers. I remember that Steelers. 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:26.120 Steelers is always like like the Ravens, Like those were 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:29.200 the tough, physical These games. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:32.080 Were like they were old school football. They did what 1:03:32.160 --> 1:03:34.960 they did though you knew exactly what they were doing 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.360 every time, and they still do what they do. They 1:03:37.440 --> 1:03:39.920 still do the same goddamn ship that when I was 1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:43.360 playing Tomlin's defense, Steelers football. I'm like, what the we 1:03:43.480 --> 1:03:46.440 still have linebackers covering the three slot every time we 1:03:46.480 --> 1:03:50.000 play the Steelers, I have at least nine catches. Do 1:03:50.040 --> 1:03:51.560 you think that they would change it? Right? 1:03:51.800 --> 1:03:51.840 No? 1:03:52.000 --> 1:03:53.920 But they do what they do. They got six coach, Like, 1:03:53.960 --> 1:03:55.120 how do you get away with it for that long? 1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:56.880 Like just doing what you do and being yeah, like 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:00.440 you know, they believe, but they also they play the 1:04:00.480 --> 1:04:02.960 game and they coach it up. Well, yeah, they're fucking 1:04:03.240 --> 1:04:04.160 they're all coached. 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:06.360 They don't make a lot of mistakes. And again, what 1:04:06.480 --> 1:04:08.479 do we because I heard you say this, heard you again? 1:04:08.880 --> 1:04:11.360 Do more research? Right, more games in the NFL or 1:04:11.400 --> 1:04:13.840 what they're lost than one. So if they're they. 1:04:13.840 --> 1:04:16.000 Don't make mistakes, they don't lose a lot of games. 1:04:16.040 --> 1:04:17.840 They don't and they still don't lose them. 1:04:18.160 --> 1:04:19.360 And then we beat them in the playoffs. 1:04:20.320 --> 1:04:23.760 Sorry, And some notable rookies on this team. 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:28.720 We got Veren Ridley, Solder, Marcus Cannon, Uh, Josh was 1:04:28.720 --> 1:04:31.400 brought back for the playoff run to come in, Josh McDaniels. 1:04:31.480 --> 1:04:33.760 That is come into a little offensive words. Well, that's 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:35.360 a big draft. That's a big draft. 1:04:35.520 --> 1:04:37.000 Yeah, is that Benny Benny. 1:04:37.040 --> 1:04:39.640 Benny Ben Jarvis Green all a great, I have a 1:04:39.680 --> 1:04:43.680 great Ben Benny. The law firm. What do you got 1:04:43.880 --> 1:04:44.360 law firm? 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:46.840 It's a it's a story that involves Junior Sale. 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:48.000 Oh my gosh. 1:04:48.200 --> 1:04:51.000 So we're getting beat up at linebacker. We have some 1:04:51.120 --> 1:04:56.040 injuries and uh, Bill says to me, he goes, he goes, Hey, 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:59.320 he goes, where's Junior because he wasn't you know, he 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:00.560 played for us, but he was. 1:05:01.160 --> 1:05:02.080 I was like, I don't know. 1:05:02.160 --> 1:05:05.280 He's like, give him a call fin out. So, hey, June, 1:05:05.440 --> 1:05:06.520 I go, uh where are you? 1:05:06.720 --> 1:05:10.200 He's like Fiji. I was like the island. 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:14.280 He's like, yeah, surfing. I was like, okay, well Bill 1:05:14.360 --> 1:05:16.040 wants to bring in like we're, you know, kind of 1:05:16.040 --> 1:05:17.720 beat up, Like you are you ready to go or what? 1:05:17.880 --> 1:05:19.600 He's like, yeah, I'm ready. I was like all right, well, 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:20.880 how fast can you get here? He's like, I don't know, 1:05:20.880 --> 1:05:21.680 I'll get there as soon as I can. 1:05:21.720 --> 1:05:22.200 I was like great. 1:05:22.960 --> 1:05:24.840 So I go back to Bill and I was like, hey, 1:05:25.400 --> 1:05:28.600 Junior's in Fiji surfing. I was like, like, Fiji's like 1:05:28.960 --> 1:05:31.919 that's far far. And he's like oh, He's like when 1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:33.120 can you get here? I'm like he's trying to get 1:05:33.120 --> 1:05:37.840 your smooth. We're playing Seattle in Seattle. So I was like, well, 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:39.600 I'm like he you know, he can get back to 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:41.640 the West Coast. I'm like, he just meet us in Seattle. 1:05:42.920 --> 1:05:44.200 He's like, no, he's got to come back. He's got 1:05:44.320 --> 1:05:45.840 to take a physical before he ssund the country. I'm like, 1:05:46.000 --> 1:05:48.000 we're going to find him all the way. He's like, yeah, 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:48.640 you gotta flyway. 1:05:48.640 --> 1:05:49.440 He I was like, oh my god. 1:05:49.680 --> 1:05:50.800 So I called you and I was like, hey, bro, 1:05:50.920 --> 1:05:52.840 you gotta fly all the way to Boston, like you 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:54.480 got to get So I think he was getting into 1:05:54.480 --> 1:05:56.760 Boston on like Thursday, like I called him on Monday. 1:05:57.280 --> 1:05:58.400 I was like, you gotta fly and then we're gonna 1:05:58.400 --> 1:05:59.520 get on and plane. We're gona fly all the way 1:05:59.520 --> 1:06:02.000 back to Seatt Like this is gonna be awesome. So 1:06:02.800 --> 1:06:05.280 Junior June bugs great. Right, So June Junior flies in. 1:06:05.600 --> 1:06:09.800 You know, does physical Juniors like unbelievable human specimen. He's 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:12.560 always in shape, doesn't matter like, you know, So he's 1:06:12.560 --> 1:06:15.440 great past physical, get on playing fly Seattle. He's like 1:06:15.640 --> 1:06:17.840 he's like, buddy, what's the plan? And I'm like, you're 1:06:17.880 --> 1:06:19.440 not playing, but you know, we want you to get 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:20.960 around team to play next week, gets you in shape, 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:22.920 make sure you're ready to go, all that stuff. He's like, 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:24.760 all right, I'm like, you're actually probably gonna be active 1:06:24.760 --> 1:06:27.120 for the game because everybody's hurt. He's I'm like, but 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:29.920 I'm not, I'm not playing you. He's like, okay, all right, 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:33.600 no problem. So we getting into the game. I think 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:35.480 it was, Uh, I have to ask Brew on this one. 1:06:35.800 --> 1:06:38.160 So I think it was Gary Geydon, right, Gary. So 1:06:38.280 --> 1:06:40.120 Gary's another one of my linebackers that you know, I 1:06:40.240 --> 1:06:41.040 kind of had. 1:06:40.960 --> 1:06:44.120 Georgia tech right quick. Fact, Gary Geiden set it up 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:49.000 Slater with his wife Gary Nice. Garry's great. 1:06:49.560 --> 1:06:51.520 So Gary and Gerard were like that was Batman and 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:54.600 Rob That's what they were for me. Right. So Gary, 1:06:54.680 --> 1:06:57.240 I think takes out Brew. We're playing, we're in the game, 1:06:57.400 --> 1:07:00.400 like hits him, like you know, so now Bruce Key's yeah, 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:03.040 friendly fire. So now Teddy's down. So Teddy's the game. 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:07.000 So I'm like, uh, Junior, you gotta win. He's like, well, 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:08.400 I'm like we're out of body, so I'm like, you 1:07:08.480 --> 1:07:11.840 gotta go. So put Junior out there right before the 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:15.680 half throws like a little route. Now Deon branch is 1:07:15.760 --> 1:07:18.480 on Seattle. Yeah, so this is you know, Deon obviously 1:07:18.520 --> 1:07:20.240 played for US. I love Deon, but so now he's 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:22.440 in Seattle. So Deon catches like a check out. He 1:07:22.480 --> 1:07:24.960 goes for like sixty some yards. We missed tackle. We 1:07:25.040 --> 1:07:27.080 have like eleven missed tackles on the play. I think, like, 1:07:27.480 --> 1:07:29.919 I think everyone missed him like seven times. Junior missed 1:07:30.000 --> 1:07:31.960 him like five. Like, Junior misses him so bad. And 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:33.760 when he comes, he goes blowing by me. 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:35.760 I grabbed him. I literally throw him back. I'm like, 1:07:36.000 --> 1:07:37.760 go get on me. Still runs. I throw him back 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:38.080 in there. 1:07:38.560 --> 1:07:41.880 He takes off. All right, So game's over. We're staying 1:07:41.880 --> 1:07:44.480 in California. It's back to back games. So he get 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:47.480 in the meeting on Monday or whatever, and uh, we're 1:07:47.480 --> 1:07:50.160 getting ready to go over Wednesday. And Bill's like, uh, 1:07:50.680 --> 1:07:53.120 he goes, we were done practicing pass at this point 1:07:53.120 --> 1:07:55.440 because it was late in the season. He goes, hey, 1:07:55.440 --> 1:07:57.960 he goes look, he goes, he missed you know, he 1:07:58.040 --> 1:08:00.520 missed Dion like four times. He's like he's got it. 1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:04.360 He's got a practice tackling. I was like, okay, He's like, 1:08:04.360 --> 1:08:06.520 tell him bring his pads to practice. I was like what. 1:08:07.040 --> 1:08:09.320 He's like, how to get his pads, get his equipment, 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:12.120 get out there for post practice. I was like sweet. 1:08:12.480 --> 1:08:14.400 So I'm like, hey, Junior, I'm like, bring your pads 1:08:14.440 --> 1:08:16.559 to practice and he's like what. I was like, yeah, 1:08:16.680 --> 1:08:18.840 you had some mistackles. I'm like, it wasn't wasn't good 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:20.160 on tape. I'm like, you know, Bill wants to do 1:08:20.240 --> 1:08:23.679 some tackling after does he realize I'm like the NFL's 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:27.080 all time leading tackler And I was like, yeah, well, 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:28.720 you'd have one more if you just tackled him before 1:08:28.720 --> 1:08:30.040 the half. So I'm like, get your pads on, let's go. 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:33.640 We gotta go. So he's like, So he gets his 1:08:33.760 --> 1:08:38.240 pads and so I'm like practice rookie. I'm like, hey, Benny, 1:08:38.360 --> 1:08:40.960 I need I need your help. Post practice He's like, yeah, coach, 1:08:41.000 --> 1:08:41.439 what I mean Ben? 1:08:41.560 --> 1:08:43.360 I love Benny, Ben Jarvis Greenells. 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:45.120 I'm like, we're gonna do one on one tackling you 1:08:45.240 --> 1:08:47.960 and Junior sale like post practice he was like what 1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:50.160 And I was like, yeah, it's gonna be great. So 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:52.960 they're like ten yards apart, whistle and you know Bill's 1:08:52.960 --> 1:08:57.960 over there and so whistle goes and Junior's like, ooh, 1:08:58.360 --> 1:09:01.519 just drills him. And I was like, and I'm like 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:04.720 looking at Benny. Benny gets up, Junior looks at me. 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:07.040 He's like, we're going again, and I'm looking at I 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:10.160 was like, so, I mean, it was like wow. 1:09:11.439 --> 1:09:13.160 And now Junior is now like, is that enough? You 1:09:13.240 --> 1:09:14.400 guys good if you see nothing. 1:09:14.640 --> 1:09:17.680 Benny's like helmet, I'm pretty sure his sideways like it's 1:09:17.840 --> 1:09:20.200 just one on one like blood sport. 1:09:20.240 --> 1:09:22.040 At this point, I'm like, I'm I'm looking at like 1:09:22.200 --> 1:09:25.519 we are we done here? Post practice, post pctice on 1:09:25.720 --> 1:09:28.040 the road surfing like a week earlier. I'm like, are 1:09:28.080 --> 1:09:29.280 we are we done here yet? 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:32.680 Or what you know? So? Yeah, so we we did 1:09:32.760 --> 1:09:33.080 one on one. 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:37.040 Tack on Benny. That's Benny. He man, he takes. That's 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:39.760 a team guy right there. He didn't fumble. I never 1:09:40.000 --> 1:09:41.960 when we were doing the research for this game. To 1:09:42.040 --> 1:09:44.280 this point in his career, he never fumbled in high school, 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:50.400 college or pros. Mister ball security, ball, security. 1:09:49.920 --> 1:09:53.599 Security, job, security, There's nothing more important than the ball. 1:09:53.920 --> 1:09:56.160 The other one says like, when you carry the ball, 1:09:56.400 --> 1:09:59.400 you carry carry fate of the entire organization in your hand. 1:09:59.479 --> 1:10:04.040 He said, not just the organization, the fucking region. This 1:10:04.120 --> 1:10:06.479 is a big region. Then he says, say less, I 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:08.439 got you, Ben, He says, say less. 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.760 And since we got Maddy p here and we're we're 1:10:10.800 --> 1:10:12.599 talking about this team, we gotta give a little shine 1:10:12.640 --> 1:10:15.400 to some of these defensive guys. Andre Carter into the 1:10:15.439 --> 1:10:17.880 season injured but had ten sacks. Thenco six and a 1:10:17.920 --> 1:10:18.599 half seconds. 1:10:19.560 --> 1:10:24.280 Great. Andre Carter played my brother in championship at CCS 1:10:24.920 --> 1:10:27.479 in high school. Really yeah, I went. I remember going 1:10:27.640 --> 1:10:30.080 and seeing them at San Jose State. My brother played 1:10:30.120 --> 1:10:34.160 for Saint Francis and he went to Grove and my 1:10:34.280 --> 1:10:37.240 brother's team beat him. My brother's team in high school, 1:10:37.320 --> 1:10:40.840 Saint Francis was like they won like CCS five years, seven, 1:10:41.160 --> 1:10:43.120 eight years in a row. They were fucking You share 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.320 one thing about Andre Carter that you remember. 1:10:46.200 --> 1:10:47.360 What's the first thing that comes. 1:10:47.240 --> 1:10:50.599 Your big hands vice grips. Can you shake his hand? 1:10:50.720 --> 1:10:54.160 You you literally risking breaking a finger. It was like 1:10:54.360 --> 1:10:55.719 wrap around your forearm. 1:10:56.000 --> 1:10:57.840 It was just it just I was like, I don't 1:10:57.840 --> 1:10:58.599 really want to shag. 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:02.439 Head like kung Fu Grip kung Fu Carter Gee. 1:11:02.280 --> 1:11:05.200 Money, Vince Kyle Love, Kyle Love's a great story. So, Kyle, 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:06.800 do you know where I found Kyle Love? That's how 1:11:06.840 --> 1:11:07.519 I found Kyle Love. 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:08.560 So I do I do? 1:11:08.760 --> 1:11:10.479 I have to go to the University of Florida two 1:11:10.600 --> 1:11:13.360 years before this and I do a huge you know, 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:16.439 Bill sends me down. I do a huge workout because 1:11:16.479 --> 1:11:17.559 that team was loaded. 1:11:18.520 --> 1:11:19.360 Team had half the team. 1:11:19.400 --> 1:11:22.200 But the game that we watched, yeah, the game we 1:11:22.320 --> 1:11:25.400 watched was it was Florida versus Alabama. There was more 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:28.160 NFL football players in that one game than you could 1:11:28.200 --> 1:11:30.800 watch the twenty other schools getting ready for the draft. 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:32.840 So I go to Florida. I do a three hour 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:35.160 workout with all the offensive guys and we're in the 1:11:35.200 --> 1:11:36.800 swamp and then I took a break and then had 1:11:36.800 --> 1:11:38.760 another three hour workout with all the defensive guys. So 1:11:38.840 --> 1:11:42.160 I literally worked out like fifteen eighteen dudes that were 1:11:42.200 --> 1:11:46.240 coming out. And so I meet with the pouncies. In 1:11:46.280 --> 1:11:47.880 the meeting, we're going through protection. I said, all right, 1:11:47.960 --> 1:11:51.400 who's who's the hardest guy you had to block this year? 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:55.519 And they're like Kyle Love. And I'm like, I don't 1:11:55.520 --> 1:11:56.800 even have Kyle, Like I don't even. 1:11:56.720 --> 1:11:57.559 Have them on my notes. 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:00.320 Who is Kyle love, and so that's how we found 1:12:00.360 --> 1:12:03.600 out about the penalty us. That was one of the 1:12:03.680 --> 1:12:06.120 hardest guys that had to block that year, and that's 1:12:06.240 --> 1:12:07.040 that's why we got them. 1:12:07.880 --> 1:12:10.720 They wouldn't they would know those are guys were That's 1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:11.320 how it worked with a. 1:12:11.360 --> 1:12:13.800 Lot of players. Like I mean, we'll get to your story, 1:12:13.880 --> 1:12:17.160 but like I mean, the Ohio State game, we don't 1:12:17.160 --> 1:12:18.599 think we all watched that one hundred times. 1:12:18.680 --> 1:12:20.320 You played them tough. I was hurt. 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:24.080 Exactly. That's why we watched. What kind of guys we're 1:12:24.080 --> 1:12:25.559 looking for, Yeah, tough guys. 1:12:25.680 --> 1:12:28.799 Can you speak a little bit about the recruiting process 1:12:28.960 --> 1:12:31.320 or the scouting process of Julian We. 1:12:31.360 --> 1:12:33.679 Would pick really late in the draft, luckily very fortunate, 1:12:33.800 --> 1:12:35.880 very blessed, but really make it at the end of 1:12:35.880 --> 1:12:39.280 the first round, like you're really talking about second rounders 1:12:39.320 --> 1:12:41.280 and it just as it goes down the draft. 1:12:41.360 --> 1:12:41.720 It's like that. 1:12:41.880 --> 1:12:44.960 So we would always try to find and still all 1:12:45.000 --> 1:12:47.559 through the years, who are the guys that we dig 1:12:47.640 --> 1:12:50.320 out that we can find that are going to make 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.479 our team because they have the traites we're looking for 1:12:53.680 --> 1:12:55.800 that might not be on everybody's radar. Because that's when 1:12:55.800 --> 1:12:57.280 we're gonna have to try to get them. You know, 1:12:57.320 --> 1:12:59.400 we're gonna have to try to find tough guys that 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:02.439 we think can fill a role, can play make the 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:06.240 team or what do we see their projection? What do 1:13:06.320 --> 1:13:09.680 we see them developing into? From that standpoint, And that 1:13:10.120 --> 1:13:13.880 was Julian through and through, tough as nails. Just you 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:16.479 went in a category of just a ballplayer, you know, 1:13:16.760 --> 1:13:19.000 like Scar would say, ball playing Jesse. 1:13:19.120 --> 1:13:21.360 Ball playing Jesse, Yeah, that would be Julie. So it 1:13:21.479 --> 1:13:23.640 was like, what exactly he's gonna play quarterback for us? 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:23.960 Probably not? 1:13:24.760 --> 1:13:26.400 Probably not, but can we. 1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:31.519 Find a way? Right, Okay, so exactly so, but can 1:13:31.560 --> 1:13:33.080 we find a way for him thee on field? Yeah, 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:35.880 he's gonna be tough, he's gonna be reliable, he's gonna 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:40.439 be available. And we were always looking for special teams, 1:13:40.840 --> 1:13:42.320 you know, who are the guys that could help us 1:13:42.360 --> 1:13:46.320 be dynamic? And I think you came in did all 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:51.920 those things. You mentally worked through some catch things right 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:54.760 because that was real, and got to the points where 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:59.560 you became sure handed, you became trusted, You learned the 1:13:59.600 --> 1:14:01.880 game the way that we I don't want to say 1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:04.120 wanted you to, but the way that we played. You know, 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:09.120 you were smart, and we just love those guys like 1:14:09.240 --> 1:14:12.439 those are our guys, Like those are our type of guys. 1:14:12.560 --> 1:14:16.040 So we would watch the Ohio State game. We were injured, 1:14:16.160 --> 1:14:18.880 but you were tough, you were out there, you know, yeah. 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:20.720 You had some games were lighting it up Iowa State, 1:14:22.240 --> 1:14:25.320 but those games like okay, but those those schools for 1:14:25.479 --> 1:14:27.920 our school it was, but Ohio State. 1:14:28.400 --> 1:14:30.280 We're looking at those guys saying, well, you know, this 1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:33.559 guy's fighting his ass off against this team. Like okay, 1:14:33.720 --> 1:14:35.840 if you're on the other side of it, everyone's saying, well, yeah, 1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:37.439 of course he's an NFL guy. Well why is that 1:14:37.520 --> 1:14:39.839 not an NFL guy like you're seeing against the competition. 1:14:39.880 --> 1:14:42.760 You want to see, now, how did he when we're 1:14:43.400 --> 1:14:48.640 hiring guys off the street middle of the season for 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:51.280 DB's because we were baying, okay, here we go. Yep, 1:14:52.120 --> 1:14:55.400 who the FU asked who brought up to put me 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:58.400 on that? I remember Josh Boy told boy go get him, 1:14:58.439 --> 1:15:00.479 go get him and bring him in. Boy or literally 1:15:01.000 --> 1:15:03.519 came up to get in the fucking locker room and said, Yo, 1:15:03.640 --> 1:15:06.040 you're on a Wednesday. Yeah go get It wasn't even 1:15:06.040 --> 1:15:06.719 on a Tuesday. 1:15:06.840 --> 1:15:10.040 No, no, he's said, hey, a conversation on Tuesday, but 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:11.960 it wasn't because one of the reasons I love this 1:15:12.040 --> 1:15:18.960 game Myra honoring her this year playing you know Baltimore. 1:15:19.360 --> 1:15:21.920 The way we won or they lost. However, I look 1:15:21.920 --> 1:15:23.519 at because I think I think Myra pushed the ball. 1:15:23.840 --> 1:15:25.200 I think she pushed it out of the goal post 1:15:25.200 --> 1:15:29.280 because that guy was really good. Really, but it was 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:31.080 I told you my my infactuation of like when I 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:32.880 got to New England, I thought that, you know, I'm 1:15:32.960 --> 1:15:36.000 says Syracuse Division one coach Pascoing is a great football coach. 1:15:36.400 --> 1:15:37.760 But just the way that we looked at the game 1:15:37.800 --> 1:15:41.719 at New England and I again, I remember Troy Brown played, 1:15:42.200 --> 1:15:43.960 you know, the star for us. He played, you know, 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:45.920 he was one of our best. You got to pick 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.320 against Drew. It was like first completion of the game 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:50.120 was Detroit. It was like we got confused, but it 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:54.880 was like he that whole what I saw us do 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:58.080 in two thousand and four. I was like, that is 1:15:58.080 --> 1:15:59.640 the coolest thing ever. I can't wait to do that. 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:02.000 And then so as I'm taking over the defense, I 1:16:02.040 --> 1:16:04.640 would always look at the offensive guys going, okay, we 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:06.439 get late because I knew you're gonna be at the game? Yeah, 1:16:06.479 --> 1:16:07.760 you know, because you're always like, who's going to be 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:10.000 at the game. That's what I need, you know, because 1:16:10.000 --> 1:16:12.559 once you get through those four set of guys roster management. 1:16:12.840 --> 1:16:15.120 So I was always looking at the offensive get. 1:16:15.040 --> 1:16:18.160 Forty what do you get forty eight on game day? Yeah? 1:16:18.160 --> 1:16:19.840 It was forty seven, sety. 1:16:19.439 --> 1:16:21.040 Seven on game day for three on the roster, And 1:16:21.880 --> 1:16:23.840 I was always looking at the offensive guys getting said 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:26.880 who could play defense? Yeah, the offensive guys that can 1:16:26.920 --> 1:16:31.400 play defense. But once you were kind of on the team, 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:33.840 all of that stuff that you went through, I was like, 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:36.200 that's the guy that can do it. So I always 1:16:36.200 --> 1:16:37.400 had in my head I was like, at some point, 1:16:37.479 --> 1:16:39.360 he's going to play dB for us. 1:16:39.320 --> 1:16:42.519 Which is so crazy. For two reasons. I remember when 1:16:42.520 --> 1:16:45.360 I was getting worked out, Pittsburgh worked me out as 1:16:45.400 --> 1:16:48.479 a safety in a corner when I was coming out 1:16:48.520 --> 1:16:51.439 of Kent. And then the second thing, when you told 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:54.720 me about the Troy Brown stuff, and like you said, 1:16:54.720 --> 1:16:57.400 oh that I finally got someone that I could do 1:16:57.520 --> 1:17:01.439 this with. When I first got afted to New England, Yeah, 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:05.040 my agent Don Ye yeah, Don do Hunk goes to 1:17:05.120 --> 1:17:07.920 me and he goes, I have a vision you're the 1:17:08.000 --> 1:17:12.679 next Troy Brown. I just the team's gonna it's gonna 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:14.719 be hard for them to cut you because you're gonna 1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:16.760 Because that was the thing going into this. They had 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:20.200 seven receivers my rookie year. Eight receivers. They traded for 1:17:20.280 --> 1:17:22.519 a guy they had Randy Moss West. One of the 1:17:22.600 --> 1:17:25.600 guys was a special teams captain Sam Akin. So like 1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:29.120 the roster spot was like hard, you can't get that spot. 1:17:29.680 --> 1:17:31.840 But my agent was just always say it's gonna be 1:17:31.920 --> 1:17:33.600 hard for them to cut you because you could do 1:17:33.720 --> 1:17:37.320 a lot, a lot. It's crazy you said that. Fucking 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:38.240 Don's a smart dude. 1:17:38.360 --> 1:17:40.200 But yeah, it was. I just and Josh, you know, 1:17:40.280 --> 1:17:41.760 Josh Boyer, he was great at all that tiff too. 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:43.400 So Josh was like, and I think he was on. 1:17:43.640 --> 1:17:46.040 He was in that same mentality Josh was and he 1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.400 saw the same thing. So you know it was Jules 1:17:49.439 --> 1:17:51.479 was gonna play defense. We were gonna, we were gonna 1:17:51.479 --> 1:17:54.519 go through it. You know, I remember Troy saying, I 1:17:54.560 --> 1:17:57.200 was like long time ago. I was like, Troy, how 1:17:57.240 --> 1:17:58.960 did you He's like, well, I know most of the routes. 1:17:59.080 --> 1:18:00.800 Yeah, he's like a run on these routes. Yeah, so 1:18:00.920 --> 1:18:05.519 I know everything inside exceptually, Yeah, that's situation, So. 1:18:05.560 --> 1:18:07.760 You knew the same and then situational. You know what 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:09.680 we wanted to defensively, and I knew you'd learn it 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:11.120 in a very short amount of time. 1:18:11.360 --> 1:18:14.200 So because I remember what I would do Bill, and 1:18:14.320 --> 1:18:17.760 you guys would always say, well, Bill, I would listen 1:18:17.800 --> 1:18:21.040 to the team meeting, yep, and Bill would always say, 1:18:22.520 --> 1:18:26.679 gotta have it situations, the third downs, the four point 1:18:26.760 --> 1:18:31.479 plays they throw got to have it routes to gotta 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:34.600 have it players. Yeah, so if you fucking study the 1:18:34.680 --> 1:18:36.560 gotta have it route, give you the list on that 1:18:36.800 --> 1:18:39.840 straight third down, and then you study the got to 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:42.280 have it player. Like, all I would do is just 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:45.000 hold on for dear life for the first five yards 1:18:45.160 --> 1:18:47.880 because I knew guys hated it and they just play 1:18:47.960 --> 1:18:50.760 to your leverage. But in this fucking game, which I 1:18:50.840 --> 1:18:53.160 want to get into, we had, did we go over 1:18:53.280 --> 1:18:54.920 locking combo all fucking week? 1:18:55.080 --> 1:18:55.360 We did? 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:58.639 And you see me making the fucking call and square 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:01.360 it off. I I'm not calling no one out, but 1:19:01.479 --> 1:19:04.880 you gott anybody out? What are we doing? Maybe? And 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:07.000 then they're calling me out on the TV. I remember 1:19:07.040 --> 1:19:09.960 watching it when I was so proud it was AFC Championship. 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:12.559 They're like, oh, we got dumb ass, that'll be there. 1:19:12.800 --> 1:19:14.240 I obviously did not do a good enough job of 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:14.640 coaching that. 1:19:14.880 --> 1:19:17.240 That's all right, I called it. I called it to 1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:19.960 him because the point was set. So what we're talking 1:19:20.000 --> 1:19:22.080 about is, and we'll get into in the game on 1:19:22.200 --> 1:19:24.320 a specific third down end cumbole and then late in 1:19:24.400 --> 1:19:27.400 the game he motions it. They have a bat, they 1:19:27.439 --> 1:19:29.680 have a bunch, And what our game plan for that 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:32.320 week was we were gonna lock the point of the 1:19:32.360 --> 1:19:36.320 bunch and you combo the the other two guys, which 1:19:36.479 --> 1:19:39.200 means if this guy on the outside goes inside, I 1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:42.360 got whoever goes inside. H the other guy has whoever 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:45.560 goes outside the other guy when it goes in, it 1:19:45.640 --> 1:19:49.439 was an instant check to the bunch. If it was 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:52.240 a check, So you see me square it off because 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:54.439 I'm I want square. So the guy runs into me 1:19:54.920 --> 1:19:56.000 so I could get a bum, can. 1:19:56.000 --> 1:19:57.559 Pull out the game plant the game plan. 1:19:57.840 --> 1:19:59.840 Well, I always loved you. Yeah, And then the other 1:20:00.080 --> 1:20:03.000 I came over and we fucking looked like the Keystone 1:20:03.080 --> 1:20:06.080 cops out here, and the guy runs free we almost 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:08.559 lose the game because of it. So I'm sitting here 1:20:08.640 --> 1:20:12.519 thinking the whole time, fucking I lost the goddamn Super 1:20:12.560 --> 1:20:14.320 Bowl for us. So do you know, like in this 1:20:14.439 --> 1:20:15.519 get so up into this game. 1:20:16.040 --> 1:20:21.200 I think I think I had fifteen straight defensive three 1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:21.840 and out series. 1:20:22.400 --> 1:20:23.800 Yeah, in this up. 1:20:24.000 --> 1:20:25.840 So I think the first two series of this game 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:27.760 they went three and out. Maybe the third three series 1:20:27.760 --> 1:20:30.120 of yeah, first three, so so I think it was 1:20:30.160 --> 1:20:32.559 total fifteen straight. We're playing some good ball. 1:20:32.680 --> 1:20:35.280 Yeah, third down, and that's when you give up a 1:20:35.360 --> 1:20:39.599 lot offensive guys on defense. La was playing safety. 1:20:40.080 --> 1:20:42.160 I was like, Slate, listen, I need you in the middlefield, bro, 1:20:42.360 --> 1:20:44.400 like just bro like I was. This was I could 1:20:44.479 --> 1:20:46.600 jump this in the back of the back end and 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:48.960 this this was. This was intense trying to put this 1:20:49.040 --> 1:20:49.479 crew together. 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:51.400 Very it was very intense. 1:20:51.479 --> 1:20:53.240 I tell you my favorite part of this game though, Yes, 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:57.360 this is great. So you know I put the call 1:20:57.400 --> 1:21:00.799 in whatever Jewels is out there and in Gwin Bolden 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:02.479 you remember me on it, Joe Flacco. 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:08.240 Yeah, it's fucking Julian Edelman. Throw me the goddamn ball. 1:21:08.680 --> 1:21:11.920 He was so mad, he was so mad, so mad. 1:21:12.439 --> 1:21:14.120 I laughed with him about that all the time. 1:21:14.400 --> 1:21:18.000 Hey, he was, he's like the ball he got me, 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:19.920 he got me one time. But I was, I was. 1:21:21.000 --> 1:21:23.439 My strategy was, I wasn't going to cover you, No, 1:21:24.040 --> 1:21:25.639 I wasn't gonna glove you up, but I was gonna 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:27.800 be around to tackle you and make you. It'd be 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:30.519 a contested style type catch, and I was gonna grab 1:21:30.600 --> 1:21:33.200 you and fucking try to cheat as far as I 1:21:33.240 --> 1:21:36.400 could and hate you. Yeah, how would you sell up 1:21:36.479 --> 1:21:40.240 this team? In just the twenty eleven team. 1:21:40.600 --> 1:21:45.759 I mean, gritty, gritty, gritty team tough, I mean obviously 1:21:45.840 --> 1:21:48.439 the next man up mentality. So but it was really 1:21:48.600 --> 1:21:52.120 just I think everyone capitalizing on their opportunities and just believing, 1:21:52.720 --> 1:21:56.439 like and again why I love this game this year 1:21:56.640 --> 1:21:59.720 with my Ra, like we were really trying to do 1:21:59.840 --> 1:22:02.439 every thing we could honor her without her memory. And 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.120 I think that every week we knew like, hey, like 1:22:05.280 --> 1:22:07.200 let's just everybody give their best and go out there. 1:22:07.200 --> 1:22:09.479 And we had a good, good bunch of young guys 1:22:09.600 --> 1:22:11.760 that we knew were going to be great players, you know, 1:22:11.920 --> 1:22:14.040 on the team. So it was fun to watch them develop. 1:22:14.080 --> 1:22:15.640 And then some guys that had been there for a 1:22:15.680 --> 1:22:20.240 little while and just I just this was just a tough, 1:22:20.640 --> 1:22:25.120 gritty willing themselves almost to win. You know, there's so 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:26.560 many guys in the team and people like who was 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:28.519 that I forgot about that guy. I didn't realize that 1:22:28.560 --> 1:22:30.120 guy was there. I didn't realize that guy was there. 1:22:30.200 --> 1:22:31.760 And it was like we were to the super Bowl. Yeah, 1:22:31.880 --> 1:22:33.680 were the super Bowl? So like you want to like 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:34.880 it was nobody can go to. 1:22:36.920 --> 1:22:40.760 But now you said fifteen straight three and ounce. 1:22:40.840 --> 1:22:42.360 I think it was fifteen straight something like that. 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:46.040 What's the art of the DC? How do you what's 1:22:46.080 --> 1:22:48.080 your starting point of when you're preparing for a team. 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:52.240 Are you looking at players plays or is it changed 1:22:52.280 --> 1:22:55.519 situationally for each team? Like how do you construct what 1:22:55.680 --> 1:22:58.800 you're going to plan for that week? Because you were 1:22:58.800 --> 1:23:01.000 a game planning coach angels every week? How do you 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:03.200 break that in? What's the art of co d C? 1:23:03.600 --> 1:23:07.519 Yeah, you know it was interesting so being Annoy England. 1:23:07.520 --> 1:23:11.559 Obviously our fundamental background defensive philosophy right comes from the Giants, 1:23:11.640 --> 1:23:15.960 right nineteen eighties Bill at the Giants, those great defenses there, 1:23:16.400 --> 1:23:18.160 and then you got to really understand So I had 1:23:18.360 --> 1:23:20.760 I had two playbooks, right, we had our playbook and 1:23:20.840 --> 1:23:22.479 then I had the Bible, right, I called it the 1:23:22.520 --> 1:23:24.840 Bible because that was everything like that. I I was 1:23:24.880 --> 1:23:27.640 always keeping track of the history of where did all 1:23:27.680 --> 1:23:29.160 this stuff come from? Because I figured if you could 1:23:29.200 --> 1:23:31.640 understand where it came from, then we would know when 1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:32.920 to install older when to use it. 1:23:34.400 --> 1:23:37.240 So who made the Bible? So I did you know 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:42.880 copy football beer? Does that make you a profit? Definitely? 1:23:42.920 --> 1:23:44.840 I mean Jesus, I am. I mean I was named, 1:23:44.880 --> 1:23:45.599 I am Matthew. 1:23:46.360 --> 1:23:47.479 He's one of the prophets. He's out of here. 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:52.040 So so so yeah, so eighties, right, and then you 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:54.720 have the influence of our defense from Saban, when Bill 1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:57.040 and Nicket together at Cleveland, and how it moors from 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:59.800 cover two to cover three, a little bit of Cover 1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:02.880 five which was our two man Nick with Cover one four, 1:24:03.040 --> 1:24:04.080 and then so as. 1:24:04.000 --> 1:24:06.559 We get to New England loves it right. 1:24:06.720 --> 1:24:09.920 So as we get to New England, you know Romeo 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:13.320 Rack is there early what that was Mangini and then 1:24:13.720 --> 1:24:16.000 Dean takes over and we go all in to Cover four, 1:24:16.080 --> 1:24:18.040 which was you know, that was his baby and that 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:21.679 was great for all those years too. When Dean left, 1:24:21.960 --> 1:24:23.479 you know, Bill wanted to get back to some more 1:24:23.760 --> 1:24:27.120 traditional stuff. The game was changing at this point, right 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:31.400 around this timeline, and I really think offensively, Bill had 1:24:31.439 --> 1:24:33.479 a great vision of where the game should go and 1:24:33.600 --> 1:24:36.639 it was getting away from the elevens into the mixed 1:24:36.640 --> 1:24:41.840 twelves personnel groups. But at this time, defensively, we had 1:24:41.880 --> 1:24:44.120 gone back to a lot of base cover two, cover three. 1:24:44.240 --> 1:24:47.120 We had young players playing zone. Because he had zone, 1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:49.320 you got more chances for turnovers. You can see the quarterback, 1:24:49.360 --> 1:24:52.200 you can see the throws. Good tack We're always good tacklers, right, 1:24:52.400 --> 1:24:56.240 good tackling defense. And so that's we had young guys. 1:24:56.280 --> 1:24:58.720 So that's what we were in this era. We had 1:24:58.760 --> 1:25:01.320 our man's for situational football because you got to play 1:25:01.320 --> 1:25:04.360 man in situational football, red area things like that. And 1:25:04.479 --> 1:25:06.439 then really as our team developed and we get into 1:25:06.479 --> 1:25:10.360 other games, you know when we get keep to leave, 1:25:10.840 --> 1:25:13.760 everything defensively changed changed. Everything changed. It keeps like one 1:25:13.760 --> 1:25:16.160 of my favorites ever right walks in and he's like 1:25:17.240 --> 1:25:18.880 Matty Pee, He's like, I got him. You figure out 1:25:18.920 --> 1:25:20.360 the rest of it. I'm like cool, Like you know, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:23.040 it was like, so we changed, we morphed. We would 1:25:23.080 --> 1:25:27.000 always morph the defense based on the talent. We had 1:25:27.200 --> 1:25:30.000 right at this time, we're also coming out of this 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:32.040 is actually the last year of a lot of base defense. 1:25:32.320 --> 1:25:34.719 So then next year after this, because of our twelve packages, 1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:37.360 you know, I went into big nickel. This is where 1:25:37.439 --> 1:25:40.599 that's where Pat Chung really comes into. This is where 1:25:40.640 --> 1:25:43.080 Pat Chung saves us for a lot of years. No, 1:25:43.680 --> 1:25:46.439 he does not get enough credit for the evolution of 1:25:46.520 --> 1:25:48.599 what we went to and where we were for all 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:52.000 those years. After defensively, Devin also gets moved from corner 1:25:52.040 --> 1:25:54.120 and move him to safety, you know after this because 1:25:54.160 --> 1:25:56.160 of where we were. You know, Dev's like rookie of 1:25:56.160 --> 1:25:56.519 the year. 1:25:56.560 --> 1:26:00.400 And do you do that? Why do we change defense? 1:26:00.439 --> 1:26:03.720 Because because you're twelve personnel and so there's a lot 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:06.439 of twelve personnel, which means there's two tight ends, but 1:26:06.560 --> 1:26:09.960 teams are still spreading people out, so the safety has 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:12.439 to cover the tight end. Who's a better route runner 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:16.760 these days? So Patrick Chung being the physical type player 1:26:16.840 --> 1:26:20.320 that could play decent against bigger or very good against 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:26.040 bigger guys. So that's why Patrick Chung was so good 1:26:26.120 --> 1:26:29.479 because he was a covering safety. He wasn't a big safety, 1:26:29.560 --> 1:26:32.680 which now all the safeties looked like Patrick Chung. But 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:35.240 at this time, you know, this is when safeties were 1:26:35.280 --> 1:26:35.960 fucking huge. 1:26:36.160 --> 1:26:38.360 Yeah still still big, still coming down there. That's what 1:26:38.400 --> 1:26:43.200 I'm just giving of the history. So defensively, our mentality 1:26:43.200 --> 1:26:46.080 in general was how do we fit the defensive structure 1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:48.280 to the so again, like people are are like, oh, 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:50.280 you're a base cover two coach, and I'm like, well 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:52.200 I was when we needed to be, you know. But 1:26:52.439 --> 1:26:54.400 like you saw a playbook, like we had every coverage 1:26:54.439 --> 1:26:56.439 known to man in that thing, and then some we 1:26:56.520 --> 1:27:01.360 made up so or fronts and variations. So with that 1:27:01.479 --> 1:27:03.960 mentality the defense, that was just from mentality every week, 1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:05.920 what do we have to do? What do we have 1:27:06.040 --> 1:27:08.320 to play in order to win this game? Because that's 1:27:08.320 --> 1:27:10.200 all that really mattered. It was like, it doesn't matter 1:27:10.240 --> 1:27:12.160 what we do, how do we just win this game? 1:27:12.360 --> 1:27:16.360 Complimentary football with the offense, with special teams with defense, 1:27:16.800 --> 1:27:18.760 and who are the players we have to do that? 1:27:19.400 --> 1:27:23.280 And so it was always evolving, always changing. But when 1:27:23.280 --> 1:27:25.920 you game plan an offense for for me, you know, 1:27:26.080 --> 1:27:28.760 started with the quarterback, how are we gonna make this guy? 1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:30.360 You know, how we're gonna play the game within the 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:33.120 game against this guy? And then I went to the 1:27:33.200 --> 1:27:36.360 offensive line. You obviously identify who are the great players, 1:27:36.400 --> 1:27:38.040 who the go to guys you got to stop, you know, 1:27:38.080 --> 1:27:40.519 who's the ball going to and what situations, you know, 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.280 make sure you got those guys handled, make sure you 1:27:42.320 --> 1:27:45.680 got him covered. But game planning affecting the quarterback was 1:27:45.720 --> 1:27:47.720 through the offensive line. How do we get pressure in 1:27:47.760 --> 1:27:49.720 his face? He's gonna step up? Is he gonna bail? 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:50.240 Is he gonna move? 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:51.439 Do we need to keep him in the pocket? Do 1:27:51.479 --> 1:27:53.080 we want him out of the pockets he scramblard? Does 1:27:53.160 --> 1:27:55.080 the extend all of those You got to answer all 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:58.600 of those questions, you know, as you go through the 1:27:58.640 --> 1:28:01.280 game plan process, and then you know you got run game. 1:28:01.400 --> 1:28:03.400 You got all of that in there. What packages are 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:05.320 gonna play? How are you gonna call the game? You know, 1:28:05.439 --> 1:28:07.680 So a lot of games I would have, you know, 1:28:07.720 --> 1:28:10.280 I had different call sheets. So I had the main, 1:28:10.600 --> 1:28:12.360 our main call sheet that everybody had, and then I 1:28:12.360 --> 1:28:14.439 would have adjustment call sheets, you know, and I either 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:16.760 have them or you know, people ask me the time. 1:28:16.840 --> 1:28:19.400 So I always had a notebook in you know, always 1:28:19.400 --> 1:28:25.960 wore hoodie, always had pocket, yeah, of course, right, uh, 1:28:26.520 --> 1:28:30.240 but I always had But I always had notebooks with paper, 1:28:30.800 --> 1:28:33.439 you know, and I would rewrite different scripts, different series 1:28:33.479 --> 1:28:35.559 coming up, you know, like we come aside. I'm like, hey, Jewels, 1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:37.479 next third down call is going to be this, next 1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:38.800 first down is going to be called to be ready 1:28:38.800 --> 1:28:40.320 to go in on second down, and long, second and 1:28:40.320 --> 1:28:41.960 short we're gonna stay based. And I would write all 1:28:42.000 --> 1:28:45.479 of those out so that everybody had that during the game, I'm. 1:28:45.360 --> 1:28:49.439 Done, how's money? I'm done early, and then I went 1:28:49.439 --> 1:28:50.040 to Nickel. 1:28:49.880 --> 1:28:50.599 Then you went to Nickel. 1:28:50.640 --> 1:28:52.120 But yeah, so that's how we game plan. 1:28:52.240 --> 1:28:53.880 And you know, going to this game, they had had 1:28:53.920 --> 1:28:56.920 good skill that, you know, good running back obviously a 1:28:57.040 --> 1:28:58.560 quarterback that was gonna sit in the pocket. So it 1:28:58.640 --> 1:28:59.800 was like, how do we disrupt the timing of the 1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:03.160 game we had We're able to generate with some Andre 1:29:03.360 --> 1:29:06.280 and Mark, we're able you know, Vince pushed the pocket. 1:29:06.360 --> 1:29:10.240 It was Vince wilfork Man. He's easily. 1:29:11.080 --> 1:29:16.040 Now does Bill come in to staff meeting? All right, boys, 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:18.160 this is how we have to win this because he's 1:29:18.200 --> 1:29:20.720 gonna give you the keys on what he thinks the 1:29:20.760 --> 1:29:24.080 whole collective teams, special teams, defense and offense has to do. 1:29:25.080 --> 1:29:26.479 So he pulls in, all right, guys, this is what 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:28.720 we got to do, this, this, this, this, this, and 1:29:28.760 --> 1:29:31.080 then he pulls you aside. You guys break and you 1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:34.160 guys go install what you're gonna do for that week 1:29:34.520 --> 1:29:36.680 or develop what you're gonna do for that game plan week. 1:29:37.320 --> 1:29:39.320 Now does he ever sometimes come in, I like, Matty 1:29:39.360 --> 1:29:42.240 p you know, we're gonna score a lot of points 1:29:42.280 --> 1:29:46.320 on these guys, like, this is what we need you 1:29:46.439 --> 1:29:49.240 to do. So like, is that's what a good head coach? 1:29:49.439 --> 1:29:50.559 Is that what he's doing as well? 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:53.160 So we certainly would have as we got ready for 1:29:53.280 --> 1:29:56.200 game plans. You know, we would meet Josh would meet 1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:58.559 with Bill. I'd meet with Bill and we'd talk about like, hey, 1:29:58.600 --> 1:29:59.840 what are you thinking, how do you want to play this? 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:01.639 What do you think on the other side of the ball. 1:30:01.720 --> 1:30:04.320 We'd do that kind of individually. We talked, you know, 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:05.559 personnel always biggest thing. 1:30:05.600 --> 1:30:06.240 We who do we got? 1:30:06.720 --> 1:30:08.519 You know, it was always us first, like who do 1:30:08.600 --> 1:30:10.120 we have? Who are the best eleven guys we can 1:30:10.160 --> 1:30:11.800 put on the field to help us win this week 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:13.800 against and who do they got? It was all you 1:30:13.880 --> 1:30:17.280 know to me the NFL coming from college, the NFL 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:20.200 was so much more the NBA than it was college football. 1:30:20.280 --> 1:30:23.040 It was the matchups. It was who's this guy? Who 1:30:23.160 --> 1:30:25.320 whears this guy? How do you play the game, you know, 1:30:26.360 --> 1:30:28.240 against these the players on the other side of the field, 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:30.599 and who do you have? So we would talk about 1:30:30.960 --> 1:30:33.559 the big picture. We would put the game plans together. 1:30:34.320 --> 1:30:36.080 You know, I'd certainly go in and talk to them like, hey, 1:30:36.400 --> 1:30:37.920 this is what we're thinking. What do you think You'd 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:39.439 be like, yeah, this is great, this is good. Hey 1:30:39.640 --> 1:30:41.479 take a look at this. Maybe try something here too. 1:30:41.840 --> 1:30:43.760 So he'd always have you know, we'd always have to 1:30:43.880 --> 1:30:46.559 say as far as things that he liked, and then 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:49.200 what we would do, which I loved, loved these meetings 1:30:49.320 --> 1:30:51.360 that were super long. All of our meetings were super long, 1:30:51.800 --> 1:30:54.080 all of them. So but it would be the night 1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.040 before the game and we would have a coordinators meeting 1:30:56.439 --> 1:31:02.280 and we would and Ernie so Ernie Bill coordinators's phone 1:31:02.360 --> 1:31:04.160 was not ringing. That was the most amazing thing ever. 1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:06.960 I know, Josha bro, you have no idea. I was 1:31:07.000 --> 1:31:09.080 like everyone thought they were fired right there. Okay, anyways, 1:31:09.320 --> 1:31:14.080 so we'd have these coordinator MOMENTI story, and so we 1:31:14.200 --> 1:31:16.880 would we would go through we would go through the 1:31:16.960 --> 1:31:20.080 call sheet every with so I knew how Josh was 1:31:20.080 --> 1:31:21.920 going to call the game. Josh knew how I was 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:24.080 going to call the game. I knew what Scotti was 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:26.360 going to call on special teams, and we would build 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:28.360 it sit there and we talk about, Okay, hey, does 1:31:28.400 --> 1:31:30.439 this fit the vision of how this game needs to 1:31:30.560 --> 1:31:33.080 go so that we give ourselves a chance to win? 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:34.360 And that was the most fun. 1:31:34.960 --> 1:31:37.960 Yeah, that's that's the crazy thing. We talk about, all 1:31:38.000 --> 1:31:42.200 these sexy hires, all these play callers. You know that 1:31:42.520 --> 1:31:46.200 these future coaches. You think that a good play caller 1:31:46.280 --> 1:31:49.599 could just be a great head coach. It's hard. It's 1:31:49.680 --> 1:31:52.000 fucking hard. Being a head coach is hard. It's hard. 1:31:52.080 --> 1:31:52.760 It's really hard. 1:31:53.479 --> 1:31:57.599 Jackie, let's break down the fucking uh Ravens. Baltimore Ravens 1:31:57.880 --> 1:32:00.240 get through the they were in our division because play 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:02.479 them twice a year the regular season. 1:32:02.600 --> 1:32:05.080 On theofs somehow didn't match up this year against them 1:32:05.080 --> 1:32:06.479 in the regular season this year. 1:32:06.560 --> 1:32:08.400 Oh yeah, you gotta be a first place All the 1:32:08.439 --> 1:32:13.160 first place teams play each other. That's how it goes. Well, 1:32:13.360 --> 1:32:16.280 that's what people don't realize about the schedule. Making all 1:32:16.520 --> 1:32:19.720 in conference, whatever you place, you play all those same 1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:23.920 places and then you get a different conference division, So 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:27.040 that makes up the eighteen to seventeen games the schedule 1:32:27.120 --> 1:32:27.799 more beautiful. 1:32:27.960 --> 1:32:31.000 It's like, again, you think about the incredible run that 1:32:31.080 --> 1:32:35.280 we had, like every year, let alone, we're getting whatever 1:32:35.360 --> 1:32:38.080 team we played, we were getting their best because that 1:32:38.280 --> 1:32:41.120 was the benchmark. But you're also playing the best teams 1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:45.800 every year all the time. Like the mental fort two 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:50.519 is that word? The mental toughness a favorite Tommy Like 1:32:50.840 --> 1:32:52.800 the the what do you say? 1:32:53.960 --> 1:32:54.400 Competitive? 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:56.880 Competitive stands my favorite favorite term that he would use 1:32:57.080 --> 1:32:59.240 competitive stamina of you guys was unbelievable. 1:33:00.280 --> 1:33:01.920 And that's what a lot of people don't realize right 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:05.120 now with these Chiefs. Everyone says, oh, they only won 1:33:05.160 --> 1:33:08.479 by two points. They don't realize that every team and 1:33:08.680 --> 1:33:12.200 every coach that's coaching against them, they're sitting and they say, 1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:15.599 that's America's most wanted If we beat them, we're gonna 1:33:15.600 --> 1:33:18.840 get paid more, we're gonna get a new job. We're 1:33:18.880 --> 1:33:22.000 gonna do this every single team. And it's not like 1:33:22.120 --> 1:33:26.120 you're playing Louisiana Lafayette Agricultural School the right. Everyone's getting 1:33:27.479 --> 1:33:31.760 everyone's good, everyone's good. So that's why it's impressive what 1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:35.519 they're doing. But that's what Matt matty p was trying 1:33:35.560 --> 1:33:37.680 to say, like, you know, it gets hard when you 1:33:37.840 --> 1:33:41.960 when you're winning first place every year, you're America's most wanted, 1:33:42.320 --> 1:33:44.479 so you're playing everyone's super Bowl. 1:33:44.640 --> 1:33:47.479 It's amazing. You don't realize, you know. And again we 1:33:47.840 --> 1:33:49.680 did this on purpose, right, so we were always kind 1:33:49.680 --> 1:33:53.240 of behind the curtain, like you know, knowing we had 1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:56.760 that mystery about us, right, which we loved because we 1:33:56.800 --> 1:33:59.400 didn't talk outside the building like everything was in house. 1:33:59.479 --> 1:34:02.599 And we loved it because actually it was an advantage. 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:04.320 Like Teddy would say this whole time. Breu would be like, 1:34:05.760 --> 1:34:07.800 we had them beat before they walked in the field 1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:10.519 because everyone was like, how are they doing this? How 1:34:10.600 --> 1:34:13.599 are they doing this? And once we put a little 1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:15.479 bit of doubt in their head in the first or 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:18.480 second quarter, well. 1:34:18.120 --> 1:34:20.600 Because we wouldn't make mistakes and they would Yep, we 1:34:20.720 --> 1:34:23.080 had them. Why the great teams embrace the bulls eye. Baby, 1:34:24.479 --> 1:34:25.200 you gotta you know what. 1:34:26.680 --> 1:34:28.640 Kyle Busch, which is great, right, So. 1:34:29.479 --> 1:34:31.320 He rubbed me when I was fucking starting to race 1:34:31.360 --> 1:34:33.760 in the New Hampshire once when I was the pit car. Yeah, 1:34:34.160 --> 1:34:36.479 you fucking bumps. So I did the same thing New Hampshire. 1:34:36.520 --> 1:34:37.760 Go right, go do the same thing. 1:34:37.840 --> 1:34:40.800 Actually, so I go out. I gotta I walk out 1:34:40.840 --> 1:34:44.000 with him and uh give him a check or something 1:34:44.040 --> 1:34:46.760 to him whatever. So you know, everyone loves to boo them, right, 1:34:46.920 --> 1:34:48.719 So I come on, they like announce me, and everyone's 1:34:48.760 --> 1:34:50.760 kind of like and then you know, cheering, and then 1:34:50.760 --> 1:34:52.160 like they announced him that they want to boo. 1:34:52.200 --> 1:34:53.559 But I'm on there so it's kind of awkward. 1:34:53.960 --> 1:34:55.120 And then he just looks at me and he goes, 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:57.960 he goes, I love the booze. 1:34:58.400 --> 1:35:01.479 He goes, it means you're Relevan then, and I was like, 1:35:01.640 --> 1:35:05.759 I like that. It's true love that. He was awesome. 1:35:05.880 --> 1:35:07.080 He was. He drove the pace car. 1:35:07.479 --> 1:35:08.560 Yeah, I didn't drive it. 1:35:08.680 --> 1:35:11.400 I rode see I drove. I drove the pace car. 1:35:12.160 --> 1:35:14.799 And he was the first. He won the fucking polls, 1:35:14.880 --> 1:35:18.000 so he was. He was the first car and that's 1:35:18.040 --> 1:35:20.160 what he did. I went, I was like, hey, it 1:35:20.280 --> 1:35:25.080 was the day's thirder. He's bump you rubbed, you go rubbed. 1:35:25.320 --> 1:35:27.479 He's race He's also a Broncos fan, so I know 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.200 he's got to. He was so cool though, he let 1:35:30.320 --> 1:35:32.599 he let me. All right, well he let me into 1:35:32.680 --> 1:35:35.760 his trailer and everything, but definitely on this oh yeah, 1:35:36.320 --> 1:35:38.280 come on, all right. 1:35:38.479 --> 1:35:41.600 Anyway, these Ravens went twelve and four, fourth year of 1:35:41.640 --> 1:35:45.600 the hardball era o C Cam Cameron Chuck Pagano was 1:35:45.680 --> 1:35:48.719 leading the team. We know him a future head coach 1:35:48.760 --> 1:35:52.680 after this. Ricky Williams last year in the NFL was 1:35:52.720 --> 1:35:55.360 taking snaps in this game. It's just my mind rewatching 1:35:55.360 --> 1:35:59.080 this game. Oh my god, running Ray shout out Ricky. 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:01.639 Uh fourth straight year making the playoffs for the Ravens. 1:36:02.000 --> 1:36:04.360 Terrell Suggs DP O wide. He's been Player of the 1:36:04.439 --> 1:36:08.160 Year and they swept their division, so pretty dominant MAFC 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:10.960 North that year. Dude, Jimmy Smith I always say he 1:36:11.080 --> 1:36:11.599 was really good. 1:36:11.640 --> 1:36:14.280 I liked him. Yeah, he was a bad, physical guy 1:36:14.360 --> 1:36:16.160 that could get in and out of his breaks because 1:36:16.160 --> 1:36:19.120 we played him so much. And then Tory Smith he 1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:22.240 was just he was a really fast receiver. Tyrod Taylor 1:36:22.400 --> 1:36:27.320 was a rookie crazy. They had the running back that 1:36:27.479 --> 1:36:27.840 was good. 1:36:28.400 --> 1:36:29.200 Yeah, Ray Rice was. 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:34.120 That guy. He's one of my favorite He's one of 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:37.680 my favorites. He's a fucking low He's a sweet guy. 1:36:37.760 --> 1:36:38.799 He wasn't like an asshole. 1:36:39.080 --> 1:36:41.559 Amount of the amount of respect I have for him 1:36:42.000 --> 1:36:43.439 is off the charts. 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.400 I remember, I remember Torell's or No, that was Bart Scott. Bart. 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:50.760 Scott went to Billio's face, Remember that fuck you what boy? 1:36:51.520 --> 1:36:54.600 Billy Like I'm talking this was like I think the 1:36:54.680 --> 1:36:57.960 ref was doing the penalty for something and like there's 1:36:58.040 --> 1:37:00.320 dead time on the field and Bart went up to 1:37:00.439 --> 1:37:03.240 him and did that billy oh like starts yelling at him. 1:37:03.400 --> 1:37:07.360 And also this was Jones, this late era ed Reid 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:10.559 for the for the Ravens second to last year in Baltimore. 1:37:10.840 --> 1:37:13.439 Now, how much did ed Man how much did he 1:37:13.520 --> 1:37:15.679 talk about him? And coaches me, because in our regular 1:37:15.760 --> 1:37:18.080 meetings we we'd have a forty five played cut up 1:37:18.600 --> 1:37:22.560 on a Wednesday, fucking Ravens week of Ed Reid and 1:37:23.040 --> 1:37:28.000 the up and under on punt, the fucking the punt return, 1:37:28.360 --> 1:37:30.760 Like did Bill talk about him obsessly? 1:37:31.040 --> 1:37:33.360 And the defensive guys, what are you talking about? 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:35.040 Here's the thing. 1:37:35.120 --> 1:37:36.920 So we played when I was at Syracuse two thousand 1:37:36.920 --> 1:37:39.720 and one, we played Miami last game of the year, 1:37:39.760 --> 1:37:41.560 so we were actually really good that year. Freenie was 1:37:41.640 --> 1:37:42.880 a he was a senior Dwight. 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:43.639 He was rolling. 1:37:43.720 --> 1:37:47.800 It was our whole third down defense was hey, Dwight, Yeah, 1:37:47.880 --> 1:37:50.240 Dwight's my guys, just go back to the quarterback. So 1:37:50.640 --> 1:37:54.599 we played Miami. McKinney, right is the tackle for Miami. Yeah, 1:37:54.960 --> 1:37:57.200 so this is Dwight story. But anyway, I was talk 1:37:57.200 --> 1:38:00.840 about Ed Reid, So Ed Reid and Jason Taylor. Literally, 1:38:00.840 --> 1:38:03.200 I think we threw more pick sixes to those guys 1:38:03.240 --> 1:38:05.080 in that game. I think they scored like four touchdowns 1:38:05.080 --> 1:38:07.160 a piece. It was unbelievable. Was a track meet, like 1:38:07.240 --> 1:38:10.000 those guys are just so ed Reid, Like even college, 1:38:10.600 --> 1:38:13.639 he was Unreal's the way that he did, the way 1:38:13.640 --> 1:38:16.640 that he could find the amazing He baits you too. 1:38:17.200 --> 1:38:20.760 There'd be some times were like I remember just in 1:38:20.880 --> 1:38:25.759 our gameplay meetings when we play against him. For an 1:38:25.840 --> 1:38:31.320 offensive skill player, when you're looking at coverage, you never 1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:33.960 look at the corners because corners can lie and cheat. 1:38:34.439 --> 1:38:36.800 What you always do is you have to always take 1:38:36.840 --> 1:38:40.280 a pre snap read of the safeties and then post 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.280 snap what the safeties are doing. You have to be 1:38:42.320 --> 1:38:45.679 able to locate them to see what responsibility they're trying 1:38:45.680 --> 1:38:48.880 to get. So then that just what that stuff. Yeah, 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:51.559 you got to see. But whenever we play the Ravens, 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.479 we had to like we couldn't do that because Ed 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:58.160 would fucking just completely go rogue on on something. He 1:38:58.240 --> 1:38:59.880 would start up over here when he had to be 1:39:00.040 --> 1:39:02.559 the halffield safety on the other side and then get 1:39:02.640 --> 1:39:05.559 over there, which we would get them. We would get them, 1:39:05.560 --> 1:39:07.240 we would, we would. We would gash him with the 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:09.400 touchdown here or there. But then there would also be 1:39:09.439 --> 1:39:10.639 a pick that came out of nowhere. 1:39:10.840 --> 1:39:13.880 Like that's just those games within the game, because that's 1:39:13.920 --> 1:39:16.360 my game within the game of like the quarterback the 1:39:16.439 --> 1:39:21.120 safety like Brady and and like that's fascinating stuff, like 1:39:21.200 --> 1:39:23.960 people that love like that is just watching those two 1:39:24.120 --> 1:39:27.080 great players at it with each other was amazing. Or 1:39:27.240 --> 1:39:29.599 you know, like coverage you mentioned where you find the fish, right, 1:39:29.640 --> 1:39:31.000 who's the youngest guy on the field. 1:39:31.120 --> 1:39:31.880 Who's the youngest guy. 1:39:32.040 --> 1:39:34.439 He's going to be the most scared about his coverage, 1:39:34.680 --> 1:39:36.839 So before the snap he will be in the alignment 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:39.200 he's supposed to be in. So just find the fish 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:42.240 and that'll give you. Like so whether it was a nickel, 1:39:42.280 --> 1:39:44.680 a star, a corner safety, you. 1:39:44.720 --> 1:39:46.960 Know, by the end I would look at because you'd 1:39:46.960 --> 1:39:52.479 always sometimes I would hear like Scar and Brady and Josh, 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:55.680 they'd talk about like the defensive line, and sometimes you 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:57.799 get keys from the defense line on what the coverage 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:00.599 would be because if they were in like a bear front, 1:40:00.760 --> 1:40:04.880 or if they were in like five down diamond, you 1:40:04.960 --> 1:40:07.320 knew you were always getting manned because they were manned up, 1:40:07.640 --> 1:40:07.800 you know. 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:09.560 So like or if you listen and you saw, like, 1:40:09.840 --> 1:40:12.240 you know, guy has uh he's normally got one hand down, 1:40:12.280 --> 1:40:13.519 all sudden he's got the other hand down. 1:40:13.680 --> 1:40:16.080 It's like, okay, he's dropping. Yeah, he's dropping. You know, 1:40:16.160 --> 1:40:18.000 he's almost There's all these little keys. 1:40:18.240 --> 1:40:20.080 There's no different we look at offensive tackles. I'm like, 1:40:20.080 --> 1:40:22.400 all right, well, if his you know, his heels up here, 1:40:22.479 --> 1:40:24.600 if the stagger's this, it's past. This is run like 1:40:24.680 --> 1:40:27.559 all those you know, things you look for. But good players, 1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:30.040 like i'd read you better be careful. 1:40:30.320 --> 1:40:33.479 Now, how what was what was this offense for the Ravens? 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:36.120 How what was the keys to stop this offense? What 1:40:36.280 --> 1:40:38.960 was so good about this offense in twenty eleven? 1:40:39.560 --> 1:40:41.920 Well, I mean, you know, coming out of the year before, 1:40:41.960 --> 1:40:43.760 obviously the run game was going to be an issue, right, 1:40:43.800 --> 1:40:45.920 So we got to stop the run. But this was 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:48.519 getting Flacco, like, you know, like we got to get 1:40:48.600 --> 1:40:50.519 Joe Flacco. We gotta make him uncomfortable. He's not really 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:52.519 gonna scram he's not going to take off. We got 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:55.280 to push the middle of the pocket. They're gonna get 1:40:55.280 --> 1:40:57.680 some yards. They've been getting it all year. We just 1:40:57.800 --> 1:40:59.200 got to do a great job in the red area 1:40:59.520 --> 1:41:01.160 and then you know, make him try to drive it 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:03.400 and get some turnovers, which we did. You know, we 1:41:03.520 --> 1:41:05.960 got a couple of great I mean, the spikes pick 1:41:06.000 --> 1:41:07.839 in this game is a great play. 1:41:07.720 --> 1:41:10.439 By one hand. Yeah, that was a really good pick. 1:41:10.760 --> 1:41:13.680 Now with Joe Flacco what I always saw with you, 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:15.000 let me pull the book. I can show you we 1:41:15.120 --> 1:41:17.479 we got ye. 1:41:18.640 --> 1:41:19.160 We're coming on. 1:41:20.640 --> 1:41:26.360 I mean we're coming out. Holy Ernie, Maddie. All of 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:29.080 them were Josh brings ship to just din't bring anything. 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:33.320 I don't think Josh Billy. Oh he brought a tea kettle. 1:41:33.439 --> 1:41:37.000 He got all pissed. So this would be right. So 1:41:37.360 --> 1:41:38.240 this is your play sheet. 1:41:38.280 --> 1:41:39.720 So this would be the play sheet from the game. 1:41:40.160 --> 1:41:41.479 How many times do you refine that? 1:41:43.520 --> 1:41:45.320 So I was obsessed. 1:41:45.479 --> 1:41:48.840 Yeah, we start out with probably like eight hundred plays. 1:41:50.240 --> 1:41:51.760 So through the course of the week, like I'd build 1:41:51.800 --> 1:41:54.479 it right, So whether it was early downs, third downs, 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:56.599 red area, I would build him as we would go through, 1:41:57.040 --> 1:41:58.479 and then by the end I would sit there and 1:41:58.640 --> 1:42:02.720 just I'd sit there by the end, and you know, 1:42:03.400 --> 1:42:06.560 I'd build the call sheet and we always had you know, 1:42:06.640 --> 1:42:08.000 I had a little bit of a different call sheet 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:10.519 than than all the other coaches because they also had 1:42:10.520 --> 1:42:12.360 the personnel on the back. I wasn't doing the rotation 1:42:12.479 --> 1:42:14.160 of the players and all that stuff, so all the 1:42:14.240 --> 1:42:17.080 situational stuff was on the back. But yeah, so in 1:42:17.160 --> 1:42:19.679 the front of the game, you know, we'd go circle 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:21.120 the calls we were going to start with in the game, 1:42:21.200 --> 1:42:25.160 go from there, and then i'd have like minis sometimes 1:42:25.240 --> 1:42:27.240 when my eyes actually work, my eyes don't work anymore, 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:28.960 but I'd be able to call it off the minis 1:42:29.439 --> 1:42:31.280 if I wanted those. I couldn't find my notebook for 1:42:31.320 --> 1:42:34.840 this one, my handwritten notes during the game. But yeah, 1:42:34.960 --> 1:42:36.519 so we had you know, I got the evaluation of 1:42:36.560 --> 1:42:38.080 the game right here. Things we did well, things we 1:42:38.120 --> 1:42:38.559 did poorly. 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.960 So when you're you're about to call a play, you're 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:46.120 looking over to see who's the signal guy to tell 1:42:46.200 --> 1:42:50.120 us what personnel was. So Joshua's boyer was upstairs, upstairs. 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:53.120 We gotta love it, we gotta love it, we gotta 1:42:53.160 --> 1:42:56.040 love it. And you go to your eleven personnel. 1:42:56.080 --> 1:43:00.280 There was nobody better upstairs than josh His eyes is 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:02.479 the way he saw the game, the information he gave me. 1:43:02.800 --> 1:43:07.439 I love josh. Yeah. So he gives you personnel, and 1:43:07.600 --> 1:43:10.080 then you already know situations. So it's first and ten. 1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:13.040 You go to your first and ten thing. We got 1:43:13.080 --> 1:43:16.840 eleven person are eleven personnel, and then you're changing up 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:19.080 if you want eleven personnel blitz or this that, and 1:43:19.240 --> 1:43:21.080 that's what you're making the decision. 1:43:20.840 --> 1:43:22.360 Yeah, or you know, based on how I think the 1:43:22.400 --> 1:43:24.000 game is going, or if I have a tendency on 1:43:24.080 --> 1:43:25.720 how I think he's gonna call it. Like some guys 1:43:25.760 --> 1:43:28.439 getting run past rhythms. Some guys go run run past 1:43:28.560 --> 1:43:29.840 or whatever that is, or or. 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:32.160 First down after crossing the fifty, maybe a shot. 1:43:32.000 --> 1:43:34.840 All those situations. I mean, if we get to the 1:43:34.920 --> 1:43:39.120 logo or low fridge, high red area, fringe, hi yep, 1:43:39.360 --> 1:43:42.160 backed up, protection, block it up, throw it outside. If 1:43:42.160 --> 1:43:43.799 you're showing yeah, all that stuff. 1:43:44.040 --> 1:43:46.559 Can I ask the dumbest like at home fan question. 1:43:47.120 --> 1:43:50.559 Just hear me out for a second. The place sheets laminated, Yes, 1:43:50.880 --> 1:43:52.000 you've got a pencil in your. 1:43:52.000 --> 1:43:54.439 Ear or I had a paper note pad so you 1:43:54.479 --> 1:43:56.120 can see on the back there. Those are the second 1:43:56.640 --> 1:43:58.960 joy's got it right now, I had I was like 1:43:59.320 --> 1:44:01.599 staples now, I mean I had had. 1:44:03.320 --> 1:44:03.799 Austments. 1:44:04.520 --> 1:44:06.840 Those are the adjustments or probably during the game, you know, 1:44:06.920 --> 1:44:10.519 in the second half. Those are second half. I had 1:44:10.560 --> 1:44:12.880 my thin markers in my right front pocket. I had 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:16.000 thick markers in my back pocket because it would cross 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:19.839 them out. I had pencil here, I had a notebook 1:44:20.360 --> 1:44:23.800 in the front of my pocket because sometimes it was 1:44:23.840 --> 1:44:27.760 cardboard or paper because again the lambin it's great. The 1:44:27.840 --> 1:44:29.439 thing about the lamina was good is that you could 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.040 mark on it and do all that. But it actually 1:44:31.080 --> 1:44:33.240 when you lamit made the thing bigger, so I can 1:44:33.280 --> 1:44:33.800 actually see it. 1:44:33.840 --> 1:44:34.200 Sometimes. 1:44:34.560 --> 1:44:37.320 Uh, you know it's hard, but you know you'd be 1:44:37.360 --> 1:44:40.200 writing and doing all that stuff. But again, if it 1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:44.080 rained or if it snowed, like, those markers are useless, right, 1:44:44.320 --> 1:44:47.040 so they don't work. Paper and pencil always works, you know, 1:44:47.160 --> 1:44:49.760 cardboard works, and a lot of times, like as if 1:44:49.800 --> 1:44:52.320 I had the call sheet here, I actually had paper 1:44:52.640 --> 1:44:54.519 in front of it. And then so during the series, 1:44:54.720 --> 1:44:57.680 as I'm getting notes, I would quick mark on the 1:44:57.800 --> 1:45:00.479 paper in front of me in front of the call sheet, 1:45:00.720 --> 1:45:02.800 and then go back, and then when everyone came to 1:45:02.800 --> 1:45:04.719 the sideline, I would go and mark up in marker 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:06.920 on the call sheet because I didn't want to mark 1:45:06.960 --> 1:45:09.040 on the call sheet during the call. I didn't want 1:45:09.080 --> 1:45:10.599 to correct anything on the call sheet because I wanted 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:12.840 the call sheet. That's that's where I was making the 1:45:12.880 --> 1:45:14.360 calls from. So I needed that as good as it 1:45:14.360 --> 1:45:15.960 could be. I mean got chaotic. I could cut some 1:45:15.960 --> 1:45:19.040 of these game plans. So I hand drew all of 1:45:19.080 --> 1:45:22.639 our game plans, hand wrote and drew every call. 1:45:23.320 --> 1:45:26.800 You put it into something though only the call sheet, 1:45:27.240 --> 1:45:30.439 so all that is you don't have that. You know 1:45:30.479 --> 1:45:32.800 what you should do? If I was, you tell me, 1:45:34.520 --> 1:45:37.400 if you want to be real smart, what you have 1:45:37.680 --> 1:45:42.040 engineering power to do this? You know there's chat GBT, Yes, 1:45:42.240 --> 1:45:44.559 I'm into that right now. You should make chat matty 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:49.640 P where you log all your football ship in. And 1:45:49.720 --> 1:45:51.960 then whenever I have anything, I could just say, what 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:54.280 is that base thing this that you could type it 1:45:54.320 --> 1:45:56.599 in there and it'll it'll take all the databases from 1:45:56.680 --> 1:45:59.320 all your notes and it'll be able to answer the question. Now, 1:45:59.400 --> 1:46:02.360 that's a that's AI. I might already be on that. 1:46:04.040 --> 1:46:05.479 I know you're on that ship. I know you're on 1:46:05.560 --> 1:46:07.560 that ship. I am heavy into that right now. But 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:10.639 that's what that's what it's gonna be. I can't believe 1:46:10.680 --> 1:46:14.920 you just told everybody just oh yeah, we were watching this. 1:46:15.240 --> 1:46:19.479 And I always remember sometimes you get in front when 1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:22.680 I would play scout team, because he would. When I 1:46:22.760 --> 1:46:25.160 was playing a scout team at this time, Matt e 1:46:25.280 --> 1:46:27.920 p would come coach the scout team for fifteen minutes 1:46:27.960 --> 1:46:31.640 on what he wanted to emphasize on the period of 1:46:31.800 --> 1:46:34.280 the play cards. So he would he would go through 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:36.080 all our play cards what we had to go run 1:46:36.280 --> 1:46:39.639 against the real team or the ones, and he would 1:46:39.840 --> 1:46:41.840 go and kind of try to coach how they would 1:46:41.880 --> 1:46:44.640 do it. And so a lot of times when we 1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:48.600 play these guys with Joe Flacco, he'd be like he 1:46:48.680 --> 1:46:51.000 go to the quarterback, he goes, all right, I don't 1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:54.040 care if the guy's covered down the field, just throw 1:46:54.120 --> 1:46:56.560 it up because they're going to try to get a pie. 1:46:57.400 --> 1:46:59.000 And half the time is that not true? 1:46:59.120 --> 1:47:01.760 Yeah, yeah, because it was he was gonna go the 1:47:01.800 --> 1:47:05.320 fifty fifty. You know, everybody fifty. But defensively, for me, 1:47:05.400 --> 1:47:08.120 it was always like, really, there's three things that can 1:47:08.160 --> 1:47:10.439 happen on the play when you played these guys, and 1:47:10.560 --> 1:47:12.479 they always had it was either he could you could 1:47:12.560 --> 1:47:16.479 break it up, he can catch it, or they're gonna 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:17.920 get a you know, they're gonna get a PI and 1:47:17.920 --> 1:47:19.080 then get the ball down there. So I'm like, we 1:47:19.240 --> 1:47:22.120 have to practice that. If we don't practice that, we're 1:47:22.200 --> 1:47:24.519 not gonna be able to make those plays live. And 1:47:24.600 --> 1:47:27.160 in the game it was all like because again you're 1:47:27.280 --> 1:47:29.559 you're downfield trying to play the ball up in the air, 1:47:29.640 --> 1:47:31.640 and a lot of times for the show teams, it's like, 1:47:31.640 --> 1:47:32.960 all right, I'm just not gonna throw it. I'm like, no, 1:47:33.560 --> 1:47:35.439 I need this guy to get this rep. I don't 1:47:35.479 --> 1:47:37.439 care if he's covered, because this is gonna happen in 1:47:37.479 --> 1:47:39.400 the game, and if he doesn't do it in practice, 1:47:40.000 --> 1:47:41.360 he's not gonna you know, as a player, you're not 1:47:41.400 --> 1:47:42.760 gonna have that confidence that you're gonna be able to 1:47:42.800 --> 1:47:44.439 do it right in the game. And I just wanted 1:47:44.479 --> 1:47:46.400 to have that confidence going in the game, so you know, 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:48.280 we'd be out in the field and be like, hey, 1:47:48.280 --> 1:47:50.240 you've made this play three times this week, like I 1:47:50.360 --> 1:47:51.920 threw it you on purpose, Like just go make it 1:47:51.920 --> 1:47:52.280 in the game. 1:47:52.520 --> 1:47:54.880 You can do that. So what would you say? The 1:47:55.040 --> 1:47:59.040 craziest little one of those types of things you guys 1:47:59.120 --> 1:48:03.240 made players due to work on players weaknesses, because I 1:48:03.520 --> 1:48:06.080 have one. When you used to tape up the balls, 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:09.200 you would tape they would tape up. They would tape 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:11.519 up Dv's hands. They would tape up their hands so 1:48:11.560 --> 1:48:13.960 they couldn't grab if they got a lot of grabbing penalties, 1:48:14.520 --> 1:48:17.639 they would fucking tape their hands so they couldn't grab him. Provy, 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:20.320 So mad I would be. If I was a dB, 1:48:20.439 --> 1:48:22.960 I would be like, this is fucking crazy. Or if 1:48:23.439 --> 1:48:26.719 say another team was on vice versa as a receiver, 1:48:27.439 --> 1:48:29.960 Bill and Maddy p would go into the other you know, 1:48:30.000 --> 1:48:32.439 the scout team for the defense, and he would say, 1:48:32.880 --> 1:48:36.240 line up off sides and hold the guy. There's no 1:48:36.800 --> 1:48:39.040 holding this way, there's no holding, we just hold him. 1:48:39.160 --> 1:48:42.719 Or like pass rush, I tell the defensive ends against 1:48:42.760 --> 1:48:44.280 you know, if like you had a good rusher for 1:48:44.400 --> 1:48:47.760 the offensive tackles, hey, just line up off sides, like 1:48:48.080 --> 1:48:49.680 just don't don't worry about line up on the ball, 1:48:49.880 --> 1:48:51.560 just line up off sides, because that's how fast this 1:48:51.600 --> 1:48:52.360 guy gets off the ball. 1:48:52.680 --> 1:48:56.240 Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's what people don't realize 1:48:56.280 --> 1:49:00.639 when I see all these situations, like when the defensive 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:04.799 lineman sees the ball on the ground after a quarterback 1:49:04.880 --> 1:49:08.160 got strip sacked and there's a pile of guys and 1:49:08.240 --> 1:49:10.040 a guy tries to pick it up instead of just 1:49:10.160 --> 1:49:12.400 falling on it. Country, and we used to literally fucking 1:49:12.479 --> 1:49:14.960 practice that we're country. Sit there and throw a ball out. 1:49:15.120 --> 1:49:17.160 All right, there's two guys. All right, you can pick 1:49:17.200 --> 1:49:18.439 it up or you have to get on it in 1:49:18.720 --> 1:49:20.599 country and city. Country and city. 1:49:20.640 --> 1:49:21.840 What do you mean in the country pick it up? 1:49:21.840 --> 1:49:22.600 Here in the city, get on. 1:49:22.640 --> 1:49:24.960 It, Get on it. That means too much, too much traffic, 1:49:25.040 --> 1:49:27.840 Too much traffic, jackie, what's the game. Let's blast through 1:49:27.880 --> 1:49:30.560 this thing thirty two degrees at kickoff. This is the 1:49:30.640 --> 1:49:33.800 early game of the of the Championship series. So it's 1:49:33.840 --> 1:49:34.599 still in New York. 1:49:35.080 --> 1:49:39.080 Sam Frayin on the back end, Ledsoe Honrey, captain ye 1:49:39.320 --> 1:49:42.000 Steven Tyler out there singing the national anthem. This thing 1:49:42.120 --> 1:49:44.639 is getting kicked off, and we're coming off the tebow 1:49:44.720 --> 1:49:49.559 Mania and ground three TV performance riding high and then 1:49:49.640 --> 1:49:52.280 of course a little bit of bad memories coming in 1:49:52.400 --> 1:49:53.479 here with the Ray Rice. 1:49:53.640 --> 1:49:56.000 Eighty seven yard TV to kick it off two years earlier. 1:49:56.479 --> 1:50:00.200 So that was that was a storyline swirling to We 1:50:00.280 --> 1:50:02.840 alluded to this earlier in the episode three and out 1:50:02.920 --> 1:50:05.760 fest to start the game three in a row, Big 1:50:05.880 --> 1:50:09.439 Vince was in their tackle for loss sacks. We're moving 1:50:09.479 --> 1:50:11.880 the ball down the field. Three points in the first half, 1:50:11.960 --> 1:50:15.160 low scoring or the first quarter. Sorry about that, Pat's 1:50:15.320 --> 1:50:18.479 up three to nothing. Tom throws a pick late in 1:50:18.520 --> 1:50:22.920 the first quarter, intended for Jules. That drive extends into 1:50:22.960 --> 1:50:24.479 the second So mad at me, I look at like 1:50:24.560 --> 1:50:25.960 such a young player in that play. 1:50:27.640 --> 1:50:30.439 I hate it. I hate it. 1:50:30.920 --> 1:50:32.680 Well, the scoring opens up a little bit in the 1:50:32.720 --> 1:50:36.160 second quarter. Ten ten Steve o tax On. 1:50:36.240 --> 1:50:39.719 Technically the ball is supposed to be outside of numbers 1:50:39.800 --> 1:50:40.639 two yards outside. 1:50:41.160 --> 1:50:43.439 This is why we are how we are. We've won 1:50:43.600 --> 1:50:46.600 so many games. I can't like sometimes I remember that 1:50:46.680 --> 1:50:49.640 I know every game, every bad play, like all like 1:50:49.720 --> 1:50:50.719 we just we have said. 1:50:50.960 --> 1:50:55.360 You know, you know what's crazy? This makes me rehash 1:50:55.479 --> 1:50:58.439 and remember stuff. Yeah, I don't just sit and remember, 1:50:58.640 --> 1:51:01.920 like because we we were blessed and fortunate enough where 1:51:02.000 --> 1:51:04.960 we had so many Usually, if you're like a guy 1:51:05.040 --> 1:51:06.920 that goes to high school, you play football, you remember 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:09.920 everything from high school. But we've gone on to so 1:51:10.040 --> 1:51:13.760 many crazy experiences and we've had a lot of them 1:51:14.720 --> 1:51:17.720 that like my processor can't handle it all. 1:51:19.080 --> 1:51:22.000 I mean, we were like six Super Bowls, eight straight 1:51:22.040 --> 1:51:24.439 AFC championship. I don't know how many total AFC champions 1:51:24.439 --> 1:51:26.719 you cant. I mean, it's just like so lucky. 1:51:26.960 --> 1:51:31.080 Yeah, it's crazy. Thirteen ten at the half, Pats are up. 1:51:31.360 --> 1:51:34.439 Moving into the second half, we extend the lead with 1:51:34.680 --> 1:51:37.080 another Steve o field goal. A lot of bend don't 1:51:37.120 --> 1:51:39.960 break going on on both sides of the ball. Baltimore 1:51:40.160 --> 1:51:42.160 gets the lead, first lead of the game on a 1:51:42.240 --> 1:51:44.800 Tory Smith twenty nine yard touchdown. Then we have a 1:51:44.880 --> 1:51:49.559 tough sequence coming up here. Woody fumbles the subsequent kick return. Brutal, 1:51:49.840 --> 1:51:54.040 brutal three hold him to three on a big red 1:51:54.080 --> 1:51:54.639 area stop. 1:51:55.400 --> 1:51:57.479 So what's the art of the red area stop? 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:00.599 Oh? Yes, negative play. 1:52:01.600 --> 1:52:06.240 Negative play decreases your chances of scoring. It's it's resetting 1:52:06.280 --> 1:52:07.240 the line of scrimmage. 1:52:07.960 --> 1:52:10.240 Negative play in the reddia decreases your chances of scoring 1:52:10.280 --> 1:52:12.160 by like fifty percent or whatever it is. So it 1:52:12.280 --> 1:52:14.400 was always like when they run the ball like they 1:52:14.640 --> 1:52:16.800 you know, you can never let him run it in never, 1:52:17.280 --> 1:52:20.160 and then it's the you know, stop him on early downs, 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:21.559 and then it's the four point play on third down. 1:52:22.800 --> 1:52:24.679 We'll be right back after this quick break. 1:52:26.520 --> 1:52:29.840 So we used to do goal line seven on seven. 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:32.800 I remember competitive like it was like we would talk. 1:52:32.880 --> 1:52:34.720 That's when he brought out the easy button. We talked 1:52:34.760 --> 1:52:35.680 about that. Remember talk. 1:52:35.760 --> 1:52:37.320 We would talk ship and all that stuff, like we 1:52:37.360 --> 1:52:39.840 would bat you know, Brady and all that, so, you know, 1:52:39.920 --> 1:52:41.960 and Rob would always be talking, you know. So I 1:52:42.000 --> 1:52:44.479 would stand. I would put the garbage cans up because 1:52:44.479 --> 1:52:44.760 he'd be. 1:52:44.800 --> 1:52:48.080 Running the route, like the garbage can linemen. Yeah, but 1:52:48.120 --> 1:52:49.000 I put them out. 1:52:48.880 --> 1:52:51.000 And like make sure that they couldn't just run through 1:52:51.200 --> 1:52:53.160 because we had the you know, only the skelly out there. 1:52:54.080 --> 1:52:54.800 And so Rob. 1:52:55.000 --> 1:52:58.000 Rob was yaking, and so I had the garbage can 1:52:58.000 --> 1:52:59.599 in front of me, and I knew he was running 1:52:59.600 --> 1:53:03.160 across out behind me. So he takes off and starts 1:53:03.160 --> 1:53:04.600 to run, and I take the garbage can and I 1:53:04.680 --> 1:53:08.560 throw it behind me, and all I hear is and 1:53:08.640 --> 1:53:11.240 I turn around. He's on the ground and he's laying 1:53:11.280 --> 1:53:13.640 there and he's not moving. This Friday before game and 1:53:13.720 --> 1:53:15.960 he's laying there and he's not moving, and I was like, 1:53:16.280 --> 1:53:17.920 oh my god, I just broke his leg. Like I 1:53:18.080 --> 1:53:20.120 was like, I just I'm like, I'm gonna get fired 1:53:20.240 --> 1:53:22.479 right now, like I just killed him. And so I'm like, 1:53:22.640 --> 1:53:24.040 so now I panic go over and now I'm like, 1:53:24.200 --> 1:53:25.280 oh my god, I'm like, are you okay? And he 1:53:25.280 --> 1:53:27.320 starts laughing. I was like he's so he was like 1:53:27.600 --> 1:53:29.680 he scared the shit out of me. He used to like, 1:53:29.760 --> 1:53:32.200 you know, my kids would come after train can was 1:53:32.240 --> 1:53:34.040 the best, right, you know, and he would always take 1:53:34.080 --> 1:53:36.479 Dominic and put him on his back and do push ups. 1:53:36.520 --> 1:53:38.000 He's like, I do my push ups and he'd take 1:53:38.080 --> 1:53:40.160 dom and he'd bang out the push ups. And I 1:53:40.280 --> 1:53:41.519 was laughing at him earlier. I was like, do you 1:53:41.520 --> 1:53:44.160 remember my oldest domb's first Halloween. I'm like, I came 1:53:44.200 --> 1:53:46.920 to your house, you know, for trick or treat, and 1:53:47.360 --> 1:53:49.560 so Rob obviously I know where he lives, right, So 1:53:49.640 --> 1:53:51.840 he comes to the door and he's wearing the exact 1:53:51.840 --> 1:53:54.839 same clothes he wore to work right with a knitted 1:53:55.160 --> 1:53:58.360 Santa Claus like mask, like right on his face. So 1:53:58.400 --> 1:54:00.800 I'm like, all right, so I'm like, treat whatever. My 1:54:01.000 --> 1:54:03.320 mom's like one, so it puts it in. So I 1:54:03.439 --> 1:54:05.560 was talking to so he's got the mask, and I 1:54:05.640 --> 1:54:07.360 was like, my god, you get a lot of you know, 1:54:07.439 --> 1:54:09.800 a lot of tricker treaders or anything, and and he's 1:54:09.840 --> 1:54:10.679 not really saying anything. 1:54:10.720 --> 1:54:12.240 And I was like, I was like all right, and 1:54:12.960 --> 1:54:14.720 he kind of looks at Me's like, how do you 1:54:14.760 --> 1:54:15.160 know it was me? 1:54:15.320 --> 1:54:19.360 And I was like, I know, I know where you 1:54:19.479 --> 1:54:21.120 live and you're in the same exact clothes I saw 1:54:21.160 --> 1:54:22.200 you in two hours ago, like. 1:54:24.000 --> 1:54:25.160 Foxborough. 1:54:25.280 --> 1:54:29.840 Like it was like it was like the best man, 1:54:29.880 --> 1:54:35.640 I love, I love you know. I was like, that's 1:54:35.760 --> 1:54:38.160 the best. But we used to talk, you know, and 1:54:38.840 --> 1:54:40.440 it's I mean, tell him to temmy right. 1:54:40.520 --> 1:54:41.560 So he talked so much. 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:47.640 My old heads back in the day, Rabel Bruce Ki, 1:54:47.840 --> 1:54:50.560 like those guys they would go play show team just 1:54:50.680 --> 1:54:53.360 to play show team because they were bored, and they 1:54:53.440 --> 1:54:54.960 go out and play safety and you know, tell him 1:54:54.960 --> 1:54:57.480 we got mad. So it was always like it's not 1:54:57.560 --> 1:55:00.480 gonna remember always competition back and forth between the offense defense. 1:55:01.400 --> 1:55:03.960 What was the what was the one time that you 1:55:04.320 --> 1:55:06.520 because I know Raves used to give it to Brady 1:55:07.440 --> 1:55:11.680 the worst was there a specific incident or a practice 1:55:11.680 --> 1:55:12.960 You don't have to say what he said that you 1:55:13.080 --> 1:55:15.000 remember where like I think he may it went too far. 1:55:15.200 --> 1:55:17.560 You would hear the helmet go flying, and it would 1:55:17.560 --> 1:55:21.000 be yard Sale ear piece, mouth piece. Like I was like, oh, 1:55:21.160 --> 1:55:23.000 they got him, they got him good. You know, he'd 1:55:23.040 --> 1:55:26.400 be so mad, he'd be so mad, and he'd probably 1:55:26.440 --> 1:55:27.920 tell you too. The worst part was is that those 1:55:27.920 --> 1:55:31.800 guys probably messed up the look he's and you know, 1:55:32.120 --> 1:55:34.760 you know he'd get all because he knew covered three 1:55:34.800 --> 1:55:38.000 there in fucking yeah. They're you know, yes, splot field 1:55:38.080 --> 1:55:40.840 safety stuff and ruin. But with Tom and Grenk, this 1:55:40.880 --> 1:55:42.760 one was great too, where we would always do competitive 1:55:42.800 --> 1:55:46.000 drives two men and all that stuff, and and when 1:55:46.040 --> 1:55:47.400 there was a lot of ship talking going on back 1:55:47.400 --> 1:55:48.960 and forth and Gronk's on the far side of the field, 1:55:49.000 --> 1:55:51.360 and it's I think I was giving him a lot 1:55:51.400 --> 1:55:53.120 of ship we were. I was like, you guys, you know, 1:55:53.160 --> 1:55:55.360 we got you. Whatever he to me, takes a snap, 1:55:56.000 --> 1:55:58.360 he draws back and he just he throws it and 1:55:58.400 --> 1:55:59.960 as soon as he lets it go, he turns around 1:56:00.040 --> 1:56:01.200 at me and he looks at me and he was like, 1:56:01.480 --> 1:56:02.360 gives me one of these. 1:56:02.720 --> 1:56:04.560 And I was like, and I knew as soon as. 1:56:04.680 --> 1:56:05.800 I was like, oh my god, it's a touchdown, like 1:56:05.840 --> 1:56:07.560 he's about to like score. So he gives me one 1:56:07.600 --> 1:56:09.160 of these and he's looking at it, doesn't even look 1:56:09.200 --> 1:56:11.320 at the play, looks at me, and I was like, oh, 1:56:11.400 --> 1:56:13.120 he dropped it. And he turns around. He was so 1:56:13.360 --> 1:56:15.960 mad because he thought like Gronk dropped, Dronk caught it. 1:56:16.000 --> 1:56:17.680 It was a touchdown. He turned around and looked back 1:56:17.680 --> 1:56:19.200 at me, and I was like, that was ridiculous. 1:56:20.400 --> 1:56:21.200 It was unreal. 1:56:21.720 --> 1:56:24.160 So much fun, man, And he said, no fun over there. 1:56:24.520 --> 1:56:24.840 We did. 1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:26.520 Oh my god, Matt Light, are you kidding me? 1:56:26.640 --> 1:56:28.480 Like he even story the. 1:56:28.520 --> 1:56:31.240 Dinosaur Barbecue won in Rochester, which he did the game. 1:56:31.560 --> 1:56:34.160 That was amazing because so being from Syracuse, that's where 1:56:34.200 --> 1:56:36.560 Dinosaur Barbecue was that opened up in Rochester. So he 1:56:36.680 --> 1:56:38.520 texted me, we're on the bus like we're literally trying 1:56:38.560 --> 1:56:40.760 to be a snowstorm and we're just like we're gonna 1:56:40.800 --> 1:56:43.000 get on ninety the through way and we're gonna drive 1:56:43.160 --> 1:56:45.240 until eventually they just shut the throu way down. We 1:56:45.320 --> 1:56:47.120 get up in Rochester. We go to a hotel. It's 1:56:47.160 --> 1:56:50.880 like under construction. There's like stuff everywhere, and I get 1:56:50.920 --> 1:56:52.560 a text from Light. I would always get a text 1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:55.240 my Light. He said he said Dinosaur BBQ meet us. 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:58.240 And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be bad. 1:56:58.480 --> 1:57:01.160 And I just remember I was like, you know, think god. 1:57:01.160 --> 1:57:03.800 There was like no videos and phones and all that stuff. 1:57:04.200 --> 1:57:08.000 And I remember walking in like boat races are going 1:57:08.040 --> 1:57:10.880 on and like all that, and I was like, I'm 1:57:10.920 --> 1:57:11.880 gonna have to babysit this. 1:57:12.000 --> 1:57:13.600 This is not gonna be This is not. 1:57:13.640 --> 1:57:15.720 You know, because I was always the one that was like, hey, 1:57:15.800 --> 1:57:18.080 let's get Maddie p He'll take care of it that way. 1:57:18.080 --> 1:57:20.280 If we get in trouble, we're okay. And I was 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:22.880 like not again, because Light would do the same when 1:57:22.920 --> 1:57:23.960 we would do training camp. 1:57:24.880 --> 1:57:25.520 This one's great. 1:57:25.560 --> 1:57:28.000 So we all the coaches at bed check and your 1:57:28.120 --> 1:57:29.960 name would be on the board of who was the 1:57:30.000 --> 1:57:32.880 bed bed check coach that night. So Light comes to 1:57:32.920 --> 1:57:34.880 me training came. He goes, hey, he goes, uh listen, 1:57:35.240 --> 1:57:36.760 he goes, you got bed checked and then I said, yeah, 1:57:37.160 --> 1:57:38.720 he goes, you gotta do me a favorite. He goes, 1:57:39.280 --> 1:57:41.160 there's a new movie coming out. He goes, I rented 1:57:41.200 --> 1:57:43.400 the movie theater. He goes, but the whole team is 1:57:43.440 --> 1:57:45.960 gonna be there. It's okay, He's like, but we're gonna 1:57:45.960 --> 1:57:48.640 be a little late. And then it's like you mothers 1:57:48.720 --> 1:57:50.920 like why my I night? Like why do I always 1:57:50.960 --> 1:57:53.080 I have the worst bed check. Everything always happened to 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:57.600 me on bedcheck, not a movie inside. So I was 1:57:57.720 --> 1:57:59.920 like what and the he I was like okay, I'm like, well, 1:58:00.120 --> 1:58:02.880 you know, and I gotdn't obviously don't say anything. I'm like, 1:58:02.880 --> 1:58:04.920 all right, I got you. I'm like, but I'm coming, 1:58:05.080 --> 1:58:07.480 like I'm going to the movie. So it was Anchorman. 1:58:07.880 --> 1:58:11.080 That was the movie. It just come out, and literally 1:58:11.200 --> 1:58:13.400 the whole movie, it's the whole team is in the movie. 1:58:13.440 --> 1:58:14.040 That popcorn. 1:58:14.120 --> 1:58:16.040 Everyone like the whole thing, and I just remember it 1:58:16.160 --> 1:58:18.560 andding and it's like eleven whatever, curfew was eleven. I'm 1:58:18.560 --> 1:58:21.520 like like, look, everyone's got twenty minutes, and I'm like, 1:58:21.560 --> 1:58:23.720 I'm going to rooms in twenty minutes. You better hurry up. 1:58:23.920 --> 1:58:25.320 But it was like one of those things where life's 1:58:25.360 --> 1:58:27.040 like hey, just you know, it'd. 1:58:26.800 --> 1:58:28.280 Be good for the team, you know how he could 1:58:28.360 --> 1:58:31.160 say anything, and I was like, oh, this guy's so 1:58:31.880 --> 1:58:35.760 Matt Light one training camp. Every day at the end 1:58:35.800 --> 1:58:38.280 of training camp we'd have two minute drill and for 1:58:38.440 --> 1:58:41.800 the for the film, they would always go to the clock, 1:58:41.960 --> 1:58:44.600 which was you'd have fans under the clock and it's 1:58:44.760 --> 1:58:47.200 like there's like a lawn, there's a bunch of fans 1:58:47.280 --> 1:58:48.880 under but they'd go to the clock to see where 1:58:48.920 --> 1:58:51.160 it was before the play, to see the time on 1:58:51.880 --> 1:58:54.240 on the play. So like if you had two minutes 1:58:54.280 --> 1:58:56.600 to go after a play, you'd have you know, one 1:58:56.760 --> 1:58:59.960 thirty of no timeouts whatever, but you get that show 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:03.920 out of the scoreboard every single time. And so Matt 1:59:04.160 --> 1:59:08.120 had one of his buddies come up during two minutes 1:59:08.680 --> 1:59:11.560 and he wrote a bunch of signs that he knew 1:59:11.600 --> 1:59:14.160 after each play to put the sign up before the 1:59:14.240 --> 1:59:16.600 thing for the cut up, so the whole team would 1:59:16.600 --> 1:59:19.960 have to see it. And they would be signs like mayo, 1:59:20.360 --> 1:59:23.240 I wish I put some mayo on those buns, or 1:59:23.760 --> 1:59:25.920 he had all these crazy things and. 1:59:26.040 --> 1:59:28.600 So you can choker wide, Yeah, I have them all, 1:59:28.680 --> 1:59:31.400 and I had they were in the back of my truck. 1:59:31.520 --> 1:59:33.800 Cause again it's like I gotta I gotta hide these. 1:59:33.840 --> 1:59:35.120 I'm throwing them in the back of your truck. I'm like, 1:59:35.120 --> 1:59:36.720 don't put them in my truck, Like I don't. 1:59:36.920 --> 1:59:37.839 I don't want the evidence. 1:59:37.960 --> 1:59:40.800 Like, so we go into the team meeting and you know, 1:59:40.880 --> 1:59:43.160 Bill's he's up there and he's mod he's coaching, and 1:59:44.560 --> 1:59:47.640 so no one's catching it, like the first time it 1:59:47.680 --> 1:59:49.760 flashes over, but you can see the players like, wait, 1:59:49.800 --> 1:59:51.840 what did I just did? I just see right there? 1:59:52.120 --> 1:59:53.880 And then you know, Bill's like, go to the next play, 1:59:54.440 --> 1:59:56.320 and then I see the next one comes up. And 1:59:56.400 --> 1:59:58.200 then so now like part of the room sees it. 1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:00.440 Now part of the room starts truckling. So now once 2:00:00.800 --> 2:00:02.600 part of room start was like what And so you 2:00:02.680 --> 2:00:04.880 can see I sat behind and I can see the 2:00:04.920 --> 2:00:08.880 whisper going through and I'm looking I'm like, oh my lord, 2:00:09.200 --> 2:00:11.000 I'm like, he did not And I knew because I 2:00:11.040 --> 2:00:13.160 could look over and light. Always I knew when he 2:00:13.200 --> 2:00:15.480 was guilty. It was like your kids, right, I always 2:00:15.520 --> 2:00:16.920 knew when he was guilty. And I was like, I 2:00:17.160 --> 2:00:20.080 can't So I'm staring at him and he won't like 2:00:20.160 --> 2:00:22.120 I know he can feel that. I know, he can 2:00:22.160 --> 2:00:24.560 feel the heat coming off of me, and he won't 2:00:24.600 --> 2:00:26.400 look he won't look over and he's just got his 2:00:26.520 --> 2:00:30.000 you know, his little smirk. And so now eventually everyone's 2:00:30.280 --> 2:00:35.120 everyone's like cracking up and feels like there's like trying. 2:00:36.000 --> 2:00:38.320 And then he's like what the he you know, like 2:00:38.520 --> 2:00:41.800 just goes on the rant. The whole room erupts, and 2:00:41.920 --> 2:00:43.240 it was it was. 2:00:43.320 --> 2:00:46.880 Unbelievable, it was amazing. It was amazing. What does Bill 2:00:46.960 --> 2:00:49.840 say to that after like the stime? I think you 2:00:49.920 --> 2:00:53.800 know what he says after that Jesus cry? I think 2:00:53.840 --> 2:00:54.040 you know. 2:00:54.280 --> 2:00:57.160 But it was that's the thing, like, you know, listen, 2:00:58.160 --> 2:00:59.960 I said, you know, I know everyone's like, hey, what's 2:01:00.120 --> 2:01:02.320 best Bill story? Like all like every like whatever, Like 2:01:02.360 --> 2:01:04.640 Bill's like my best friends, He's you know, he's like 2:01:04.720 --> 2:01:09.400 my best friend. Like well, I said, but like the 2:01:09.520 --> 2:01:11.720 thing like I don't see people say, is like no, no, 2:01:11.960 --> 2:01:14.200 Bill doing a having a water gun fight in my 2:01:14.320 --> 2:01:15.960 pool with my kids in the middle of the summer. 2:01:16.120 --> 2:01:18.440 Like that's the funniest to me. You know, my kids 2:01:18.480 --> 2:01:21.320 are like dunking them Like that's you know, hysterical. That's 2:01:21.560 --> 2:01:23.720 that's the Bill I know. But I was like, oh, 2:01:23.840 --> 2:01:26.560 practice and all that stuff, and I go, yeah, but look, 2:01:26.640 --> 2:01:28.320 it was work. Like we went to work like that's 2:01:28.360 --> 2:01:31.840 what it was. We we love football, it was our passion. 2:01:31.960 --> 2:01:32.320 We learned. 2:01:32.360 --> 2:01:34.800 It was hard, don't get me wrong, Like it was hard. 2:01:34.840 --> 2:01:39.400 Every day was hard. But you guys that you guys 2:01:39.520 --> 2:01:42.400 made it fun. Like it was just like that was 2:01:42.400 --> 2:01:43.680 the best part of my dad was like I would 2:01:43.720 --> 2:01:46.760 get done with the you know, twelve hours, I would 2:01:46.760 --> 2:01:49.600 work at night and I'd be I didn't want to 2:01:49.600 --> 2:01:51.920 see any the other anybody, the coaches or whatever, and 2:01:52.080 --> 2:01:53.839 and then you guys would come in and be like, Okay, 2:01:53.880 --> 2:01:56.600 the players are here, let's go, let's get And that 2:01:56.840 --> 2:01:58.440 was the great part about it. And that's what was 2:01:58.480 --> 2:02:00.640 so fun. But like stuff like that, it would happen 2:02:00.680 --> 2:02:01.400 all like, you. 2:02:01.440 --> 2:02:06.240 Know, the pig's head, the pig's head, which one was 2:02:06.280 --> 2:02:11.160 that so light would have pig ROAs, Yeah. 2:02:11.200 --> 2:02:15.200 A friend of ours would have pig ROAs. And all 2:02:15.200 --> 2:02:16.400 of a sudden there would be a pig head that 2:02:16.440 --> 2:02:18.840 would show up in the locker room and like because 2:02:18.840 --> 2:02:20.760 you know, we used to have the one door, yeah, 2:02:20.960 --> 2:02:22.560 and you'd open up the door and there's a pig 2:02:22.600 --> 2:02:25.560 head sitting in your locker, like right there standing. 2:02:25.600 --> 2:02:28.520 You know, guy's freaking I mean it was he put 2:02:28.560 --> 2:02:31.280 a duck, a live duck in someone's locker. One time. 2:02:31.320 --> 2:02:32.520 I walked out of the I walked out of the 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:36.080 meal room and the running back room used to be 2:02:36.160 --> 2:02:38.840 right there, yea, and Ivan was in there. It was 2:02:38.920 --> 2:02:42.440 late in the afternoon, five so you know, film might yeah, 2:02:42.520 --> 2:02:44.320 film might have been watching. And I look in and 2:02:44.480 --> 2:02:48.520 Light is literally doing the chicken's He's walking like a 2:02:48.640 --> 2:02:51.960 chicken behind Ivan, and you know, like one of the 2:02:52.000 --> 2:02:54.160 cronies is in there with the camera and he's filming it. 2:02:54.280 --> 2:02:56.880 And I'm like, I'm like, what are you doing? Literally 2:02:56.960 --> 2:02:58.440 walking like a chicken in the back of the running 2:02:58.480 --> 2:02:58.800 back room. 2:02:58.880 --> 2:03:00.680 But get it, to know, a camera? Yeah, getting it. 2:03:00.960 --> 2:03:03.040 He don't everything, he has it all like he has 2:03:03.120 --> 2:03:03.680 all that stuff. 2:03:04.040 --> 2:03:06.960 There's some stories that we couldn't tell of how crazy 2:03:07.040 --> 2:03:10.240 Light was about certain things that he did to teammates. 2:03:10.760 --> 2:03:13.080 There was things we couldn't tell. Was there ever a 2:03:13.160 --> 2:03:14.440 moment We're like, all right, he went too far? This 2:03:14.560 --> 2:03:16.280 is it? Like with Light, he's getting at it, like 2:03:16.360 --> 2:03:16.960 he's getting cut. 2:03:17.720 --> 2:03:20.280 I would say with Light it was always borderline. The 2:03:20.800 --> 2:03:23.800 stuff that got out of control, which actually ended all 2:03:23.840 --> 2:03:28.360 of it. Was the quarterbacks that ended it. What happened 2:03:29.280 --> 2:03:31.480 you You never messed with the guy that had real money, No, 2:03:31.840 --> 2:03:33.600 because real money could really mess you up. 2:03:33.800 --> 2:03:36.600 Yeah, like guys that send moving companies. 2:03:36.200 --> 2:03:37.960 To your house and move all of your furniture out 2:03:38.000 --> 2:03:40.160 onto the front lawn while you were at practice and 2:03:40.240 --> 2:03:43.120 you go home in your entire house. No, that would 2:03:43.120 --> 2:03:44.920 cost a normal person like twenty thousand dollars. But you 2:03:44.960 --> 2:03:46.800 know somebody has real money. Like you're messing with the 2:03:46.800 --> 2:03:51.120 wrong person wrong or uh you know you you take 2:03:51.760 --> 2:03:54.200 whatever it was, three of the tires off their. 2:03:54.120 --> 2:03:55.960 Car and him I remember that. 2:03:56.280 --> 2:03:57.680 No, three of them in the locker and the fourth 2:03:57.720 --> 2:03:59.040 ones hidden like in. 2:03:59.080 --> 2:04:01.840 The stadium ground. Yeah, so you're in the stadium on 2:04:01.920 --> 2:04:02.960 the stadium grounds. 2:04:03.160 --> 2:04:08.240 Or you maybe alter someone's jersey and hang it in 2:04:08.320 --> 2:04:11.400 the shower so that it dries. But when he sweats, 2:04:12.200 --> 2:04:15.040 the smell of how you altered it comes back in 2:04:15.080 --> 2:04:17.840 the middle of practice and you want to throw up 2:04:19.120 --> 2:04:22.520 the Uh that was? That was the worst? Oh my god, 2:04:22.960 --> 2:04:26.080 you'd put the you take their mouthpieces and you'd spray 2:04:26.200 --> 2:04:28.120 with the oldrant because you never put your. 2:04:28.040 --> 2:04:29.760 Mouthpiece until you got the practice and put them in. 2:04:29.800 --> 2:04:31.880 The odant just sucks, sucks all. 2:04:31.800 --> 2:04:34.320 The saliva out of your mouth and now you can't 2:04:34.400 --> 2:04:35.280 breathe and you can't. 2:04:35.680 --> 2:04:36.360 That was a good one. 2:04:36.640 --> 2:04:38.560 So we are at the Pro Bowl. We're at the 2:04:38.600 --> 2:04:41.400 Pro Bowl and he's there, and the Pro bowls over, 2:04:41.440 --> 2:04:42.720 and I can't remember if we were flying home or 2:04:42.760 --> 2:04:44.080 we're just at the after party at the prob I 2:04:44.080 --> 2:04:46.040 think we're at the after party and he and he's 2:04:46.040 --> 2:04:47.920 sitting there with us and he goes, watch this. He goes, 2:04:47.960 --> 2:04:50.240 I got this app and he goes, I'm gonna call 2:04:50.440 --> 2:04:53.400 and Billios across the room and he calls Billy. Oh, 2:04:53.440 --> 2:04:55.800 but it came up on Billio's phone as Robert Kraft. 2:04:56.400 --> 2:04:59.720 So so you I'm watching it, and Lights like, watch this, 2:05:00.360 --> 2:05:02.720 and so he dials it and you I'm looking at 2:05:02.760 --> 2:05:06.240 Billy and bill Hill was looking ass and he's showing anybody. 2:05:06.240 --> 2:05:09.040 He's like like, Robert's like, what do I what do 2:05:09.160 --> 2:05:09.440 I do it? 2:05:09.480 --> 2:05:11.760 And so you can see him like answer and Light's 2:05:11.800 --> 2:05:15.080 doing like mister Kraft on the other end, like how 2:05:15.160 --> 2:05:17.880 disappointed he is in the game. And you know, we 2:05:18.080 --> 2:05:20.000 we needed to show better in the Pro Bowl and 2:05:20.200 --> 2:05:23.440 Billy's like answering them. I'm dying. I'm like, how is 2:05:23.520 --> 2:05:27.400 this guy have this stuff? It was he was He 2:05:27.560 --> 2:05:28.600 was absolutely amazing. 2:05:29.120 --> 2:05:31.040 What did Billy do? What he did? He find out 2:05:31.360 --> 2:05:32.440 we were dying, we were rolling. 2:05:32.440 --> 2:05:34.920 I think I had pictures of that somewhere too, ess, 2:05:35.120 --> 2:05:37.560 just taking pictures of him as he's answering the phone. 2:05:37.600 --> 2:05:40.960 But light, Yeah, you had to know. 2:05:41.120 --> 2:05:44.720 The quarterback thing was that was crazy. The we used 2:05:44.720 --> 2:05:50.360 to have the uh the FBI die that would turn purple. 2:05:50.480 --> 2:05:52.240 So they put it in like money bags and like 2:05:52.320 --> 2:05:54.520 if you got the money bag wet or whatever, then 2:05:54.560 --> 2:05:56.400 all the money would turn purple. It was. It was 2:05:56.480 --> 2:05:59.400 like a white powder. Yeah, So you'd put it and 2:05:59.480 --> 2:06:02.960 everybody's cleats, you know, before you go to practice, so 2:06:03.040 --> 2:06:05.440 you wouldn't know. And now you sweat during training camp 2:06:05.480 --> 2:06:06.840 and you come out of training camp in your feet 2:06:07.560 --> 2:06:10.920 or purple and you can't It's like it's like grade 2:06:11.000 --> 2:06:13.120 whatever die. You can't get it off, and you're just 2:06:13.440 --> 2:06:15.480 so you know, like you know, you're walking around the city. 2:06:15.520 --> 2:06:17.480 I'm like, he got diet, you know, he got it. 2:06:17.520 --> 2:06:20.080 He got it, you know, he couldn't shot. The worst 2:06:20.320 --> 2:06:22.080 was Pierre this is the worst. 2:06:22.800 --> 2:06:25.200 This is too far. I lived with Pierre Guy. Here's 2:06:25.240 --> 2:06:27.720 my guy. That's so light. 2:06:28.480 --> 2:06:31.080 This is so bad. Man Light had this stack of 2:06:32.280 --> 2:06:37.360 lottery tickets that were like fixed, like they were winners, 2:06:37.760 --> 2:06:40.560 and they were like ten million dollars or something crazy. 2:06:41.040 --> 2:06:43.040 So it's Christmas, I think it was Christmas. 2:06:43.200 --> 2:06:46.080 And he's handing out the lottery tickets and Pierre sit 2:06:46.200 --> 2:06:48.920 at the table and he gets one and he starts 2:06:49.320 --> 2:06:52.600 scratching and he's like and he's scratching a little bit 2:06:52.680 --> 2:06:54.480 more and he's like scratching again. 2:06:54.560 --> 2:06:56.880 He's like and he's like, oh my god. He's like 2:06:57.640 --> 2:07:01.320 I think I just want ten million, like a million dollars, and. 2:07:01.480 --> 2:07:04.520 Like they're letting it go on and on and on 2:07:04.840 --> 2:07:07.600 and light, and I'm like, son of them, I'm like, 2:07:07.680 --> 2:07:10.040 that is not cool, bro, way too far. 2:07:10.160 --> 2:07:12.760 It's not it's way too far. Right there they go 2:07:13.360 --> 2:07:19.640 to the yeah defensive room saying fuck you. Right, he 2:07:19.800 --> 2:07:21.920 out of p I'm not playing this week. I'm done. 2:07:22.280 --> 2:07:24.240 Like I was like, oh my, that one, that one, 2:07:24.320 --> 2:07:25.000 I felt that one. 2:07:25.120 --> 2:07:26.960 That one was all right, we gotta get back to this. 2:07:27.440 --> 2:07:30.560 Can you take us through the sterling more punch? Yeah? 2:07:31.480 --> 2:07:34.200 So driving in the two minutes and then which you know. 2:07:34.640 --> 2:07:38.120 Two minutes, right, so driving, lock and combo. 2:07:38.000 --> 2:07:39.120 Yeah, lock and combo. 2:07:41.640 --> 2:07:42.520 That was the third. 2:07:44.480 --> 2:07:47.480 So now they're in the fringe and uh, you know, 2:07:47.640 --> 2:07:49.600 throw it up to the sideline. It was the far sideline. 2:07:49.600 --> 2:07:53.040 It was their sideline going away from the lighthouse, and uh, 2:07:54.160 --> 2:07:56.879 we're beat at the line of scrimmage, you know, and Sterling. 2:07:57.520 --> 2:07:57.960 Sterling. 2:07:58.800 --> 2:08:00.760 The thing that was so special about him was he 2:08:00.920 --> 2:08:03.240 just had an unbelievable ability to play the hands and 2:08:03.360 --> 2:08:06.240 really he was strong, like his hands, his punched, like 2:08:06.320 --> 2:08:09.440 his finished through was really strong, good quickness, good change direction. 2:08:09.720 --> 2:08:12.520 But you know, I mean this is high competition. This 2:08:12.680 --> 2:08:14.320 is at the end of the game. And so the 2:08:14.400 --> 2:08:16.560 ball goes up and obviously, you know, it's like trying 2:08:16.560 --> 2:08:19.440 to go to Super Bowl all that, and you're like, 2:08:19.480 --> 2:08:21.240 oh my god, we're beat beating the line of scrimmage 2:08:21.240 --> 2:08:25.560 and he's trailing's in full trail and it just totally casual, 2:08:26.000 --> 2:08:28.880 you know, drops in and here, and then I was like, 2:08:28.920 --> 2:08:30.440 oh my god, he's gonna knock it out. 2:08:30.680 --> 2:08:31.160 And I knew. 2:08:31.160 --> 2:08:33.520 I just knew it was like because we saw it 2:08:33.600 --> 2:08:37.440 in practice. All he timed it so perfectly. As he 2:08:37.520 --> 2:08:40.080 chopped through and it is literally, you know, they did 2:08:40.080 --> 2:08:41.560 a whole science thing. I think he has been like 2:08:41.560 --> 2:08:44.400 the whole like whatever breakdown of the science behind how 2:08:44.480 --> 2:08:46.680 fast he did it before the second foot came down 2:08:46.720 --> 2:08:48.280 and he knocked it out in the control and the 2:08:48.320 --> 2:08:51.680 whole thing. That was just one of those plays where 2:08:51.680 --> 2:08:54.920 I was like, somebody helped us right there, like you know, somebody, 2:08:55.560 --> 2:08:57.080 you know, because we were beat you know that should 2:08:57.120 --> 2:08:59.720 have should have won. Yeah, Myra made up and then 2:09:00.080 --> 2:09:02.320 know we needed on the fourth down on the field goal, 2:09:02.360 --> 2:09:04.480 and she did it again. So I think the Sterling 2:09:04.560 --> 2:09:06.360 more like you know, you think about plays in the 2:09:06.440 --> 2:09:09.520 NFL that happened for this game for me, you know, 2:09:09.840 --> 2:09:11.680 you finally coming along and being the guy that I 2:09:11.720 --> 2:09:12.960 was like, all right, we got a two way player. 2:09:13.040 --> 2:09:15.160 Let's go and if we're gonna do this on defense, right, 2:09:15.640 --> 2:09:18.640 Sterling Moore. The legacy of Sterling Moore is really solidified 2:09:18.680 --> 2:09:20.880 in this game. Right, So this is his you know 2:09:21.200 --> 2:09:22.920 game that people know who he is. 2:09:23.240 --> 2:09:23.720 And then. 2:09:25.080 --> 2:09:27.200 You know, I were pushing the ball a little bit 2:09:27.240 --> 2:09:29.200 to the left, miss field goal and miss in the 2:09:29.240 --> 2:09:31.600 field goal, and we're we're going back to the Super. 2:09:31.400 --> 2:09:34.240 Bowl now, what are you doing pre snap before that? 2:09:34.400 --> 2:09:38.320 Are you going over your potential before the kick? Are 2:09:38.360 --> 2:09:41.200 you going over potential calls in all over time? 2:09:41.280 --> 2:09:44.000 Yeah, all these situations, I'm always panicked, right, so I'm 2:09:44.080 --> 2:09:46.440 I'm not I'm never watching the kick. I'm always thinking, like, 2:09:46.440 --> 2:09:48.480 all right, it's tied. They get the ball, how are 2:09:48.480 --> 2:09:50.400 we gonna you know, how we're gonna play the next series, 2:09:50.680 --> 2:09:53.480 which probably drove everybody crazy, and certainly you know, Boyer 2:09:53.520 --> 2:09:54.920 is the one that had to keep me calm because 2:09:54.920 --> 2:09:55.760 I'll be like talking to playing. 2:09:55.880 --> 2:09:56.760 Look, they get the ball. 2:09:56.800 --> 2:09:57.920 We got to do that, and all the players like, 2:09:57.920 --> 2:09:58.960 I don't want to talk to you right now, Like 2:09:59.000 --> 2:10:01.040 I'm like, I'm watching the kick, and I'm like I 2:10:01.080 --> 2:10:03.000 can't watch the kick, like I gotta do something to 2:10:03.080 --> 2:10:03.800 take my mind off. 2:10:03.880 --> 2:10:06.000 It was no different than the Super Bowls. We were 2:10:06.040 --> 2:10:07.280 in the same thing happened, ye. 2:10:08.200 --> 2:10:10.800 So yeah, so I didn't really I just wait for 2:10:10.920 --> 2:10:13.760 the reaction to know where we're going with it. So yeah, 2:10:13.760 --> 2:10:14.880 I gotta I gotta stay busy. 2:10:15.480 --> 2:10:17.880 That was crazy. We missed that. That was for them 2:10:17.920 --> 2:10:19.640 to tie it. Everyone thinks for them to win it. 2:10:20.480 --> 2:10:25.240 I was just to tie it. That was that was 2:10:25.400 --> 2:10:28.840 like a crazy year for us to aftermath because there 2:10:28.960 --> 2:10:31.040 was that drought. There was a there was a fucking 2:10:31.120 --> 2:10:35.440 drought from that seven to that, and it was kind 2:10:35.480 --> 2:10:38.280 of a new team, we're rebuilding, you know. We got 2:10:38.320 --> 2:10:39.320 to the end of nine. 2:10:39.320 --> 2:10:40.480 I mean, Bill and I just kind of looked at 2:10:40.480 --> 2:10:42.280 it and said, all right, we gotta we gotta start over, 2:10:42.640 --> 2:10:43.680 you know. And it was just like, all right, how 2:10:43.680 --> 2:10:45.040 we're going to rebuild the roster? What are we going 2:10:45.080 --> 2:10:46.520 to do with the pieces we got? Where do we 2:10:46.560 --> 2:10:48.400 gotta go? How do we you know, what do we 2:10:48.480 --> 2:10:50.600 want to be? You know, where's the league going? It 2:10:50.680 --> 2:10:52.400 was a great thing. They always knew kind of like, hey, 2:10:52.920 --> 2:10:55.080 the league's gonna shift here, shift this direction, and we 2:10:55.080 --> 2:10:56.680 would always try to stay in front of that. Or 2:10:56.960 --> 2:11:00.200 The big thing for us really after this was it 2:11:00.280 --> 2:11:03.280 was really probably this year. We were so predominantly base 2:11:03.400 --> 2:11:05.640 three to four defense at that point because there was 2:11:05.640 --> 2:11:07.240 a lot of twenty one and twelve and twenty two, 2:11:07.480 --> 2:11:12.440 you know, Baltimore to play twenty two personnel, and half 2:11:12.480 --> 2:11:14.240 of the league at one point was playing three four. 2:11:14.280 --> 2:11:16.560 Whether it was branches of our coaching staff that was 2:11:16.560 --> 2:11:19.680 out there or Pittsburgh's it just became harder in the 2:11:19.760 --> 2:11:22.640 draft to find outside linebackers, you know, so we kind 2:11:22.680 --> 2:11:24.440 of switched. Two thousand and eleven, we played like really 2:11:24.640 --> 2:11:26.360 like one outside linebacker. We played more of a four 2:11:26.400 --> 2:11:29.120 man line, kind of like four to three. And then 2:11:29.160 --> 2:11:31.960 after this, because of twelve personnel and the way that 2:11:32.120 --> 2:11:34.200 was going, it was easier for us to get in 2:11:34.240 --> 2:11:36.280 a four down front and play the big nickel. The 2:11:36.360 --> 2:11:39.800 sub packages still had base and so after this year, 2:11:40.040 --> 2:11:42.200 I really I went in and I was like, look, 2:11:42.240 --> 2:11:43.920 every training camp we started with the same run fits, 2:11:43.960 --> 2:11:46.240 we start with the same install I said, I'm scrapping 2:11:46.280 --> 2:11:47.680 all that. I'm like, we're going to start and sub 2:11:47.960 --> 2:11:51.480 you know. And I started to change the defense. Twenty twelve, 2:11:51.520 --> 2:11:53.640 we got some more pieces. I got high you know, 2:11:54.320 --> 2:11:57.480 Chandler that year, and those were new pieces of the 2:11:57.520 --> 2:11:59.800 defense I was really able to create. Then the next 2:12:00.200 --> 2:12:02.640 Jamie came in, we got to leave. That changed another 2:12:02.640 --> 2:12:04.800 piece for me. I started sending the linebackers what's called 2:12:04.880 --> 2:12:09.120 like people call like sim pressures. Now, we were doing 2:12:09.160 --> 2:12:11.520 those in twenty thirteen, you know, and it basically it's 2:12:11.520 --> 2:12:14.120 a sim pressure, so where you know what it is, 2:12:14.200 --> 2:12:18.240 So basically it looks like five man rush pressure, but 2:12:18.320 --> 2:12:20.400 it's actually four and someone else is dropping out, and 2:12:20.560 --> 2:12:23.240 you're trying to really mess with the protections. And one 2:12:23.280 --> 2:12:24.320 of the things I found out. 2:12:24.960 --> 2:12:28.360 They're changing is they don't know which guy's dropping out. 2:12:28.520 --> 2:12:31.160 That's what people So that's why when you say you're 2:12:31.160 --> 2:12:36.920 trying to mess with protections, there's five guys coming, the 2:12:37.000 --> 2:12:40.200 offensive line can pick them up. But if you they 2:12:40.240 --> 2:12:43.400 don't know which guy's not coming, or you're dropping someone 2:12:43.640 --> 2:12:46.520 and you have someone do something, then it confuses their protection. 2:12:46.720 --> 2:12:48.160 And that's when guys come out free. 2:12:48.280 --> 2:12:50.320 Yeah, and the quarterback throws pick, I mean Rob pick 2:12:50.360 --> 2:12:52.440 against Peyton. Yeah, you know, I dropped them. That was 2:12:52.440 --> 2:12:55.400 a sim But the thing that was happening was I 2:12:55.600 --> 2:12:59.400 was doing all of sub defense in this in this timeline, 2:13:00.040 --> 2:13:02.440 but I was using three four principles. So in three 2:13:02.560 --> 2:13:04.560 four you got the three down, but you don't know 2:13:04.560 --> 2:13:06.680 where the fourth rushers coming from, and so it was 2:13:06.720 --> 2:13:08.520 just calls on the field based on formation and things 2:13:08.560 --> 2:13:10.720 like that. So I just took that principle and I 2:13:10.800 --> 2:13:13.800 basically went to two four defense. So the two defensive 2:13:13.840 --> 2:13:15.840 tackles because I had Rob on the left, Chan was 2:13:15.920 --> 2:13:18.160 on the right, but then Chan got hurt. You know, 2:13:18.240 --> 2:13:20.640 when we bring in a key marriage who's another outside 2:13:20.680 --> 2:13:23.280 linebacker type. So it was like I had four backers 2:13:23.320 --> 2:13:25.920 on the field. Now I've got Jamie and High behind 2:13:25.920 --> 2:13:28.000 the line of scrimmage. And I realized, hey, when the 2:13:28.040 --> 2:13:31.520 protection slide's going here the he's got a block Jamie 2:13:31.560 --> 2:13:33.880 or High Tower. So I was like, look, just make 2:13:33.920 --> 2:13:36.040 a call drop him. He knows what the drop is 2:13:36.440 --> 2:13:39.440 outside linebacker. Just switch it on the field, you go 2:13:39.720 --> 2:13:42.320 run over the back and go, you know, get the quarterback. 2:13:42.680 --> 2:13:45.800 So we just created all of the on field communication 2:13:45.960 --> 2:13:48.520 calls really out of a two four system is what 2:13:48.640 --> 2:13:51.800 it was. And then you know eventually that because you 2:13:51.840 --> 2:13:53.600 have to have run fits on all this, you know, 2:13:53.640 --> 2:13:55.400 I moved the defensive tackle on the weak side. He 2:13:55.480 --> 2:13:57.320 started from like a shade to a two wide to 2:13:57.400 --> 2:14:00.360 a two and then eventually two threes. You know, through 2:14:00.480 --> 2:14:04.240 thirteen what we had Tleeb who changed the coverage. So 2:14:04.320 --> 2:14:05.720 now we go from a two and a three team 2:14:05.760 --> 2:14:10.600 to really a cover one team man middlefield, safety, help zone, middlefield, 2:14:10.640 --> 2:14:12.800 but lock it up on the backside with him. You know, 2:14:12.920 --> 2:14:15.800 Rebus comes in in fourteen, the defense takes another real 2:14:15.920 --> 2:14:18.080 kind of progression to five down looks. 2:14:18.360 --> 2:14:19.160 We had all the six. 2:14:19.120 --> 2:14:21.880 Uplooks at double muggs, all that was in there from 2:14:21.920 --> 2:14:23.720 two thousand and four, So I just used all those 2:14:24.240 --> 2:14:27.320 and then the five down looks where I could reduce 2:14:27.400 --> 2:14:29.800 Chandler walk now Jamie and high up on the edge 2:14:30.160 --> 2:14:32.280 because now they had to go five down protection. Now 2:14:32.320 --> 2:14:34.200 I'm setting the other one through the middle because now 2:14:34.240 --> 2:14:36.240 he's back on the back. I'm using the same rush 2:14:36.280 --> 2:14:38.680 calls to just drop whoever I wanted to. So they 2:14:38.720 --> 2:14:40.400 had like four different looks and we're just messing with 2:14:40.480 --> 2:14:44.040 the front, moving the coverage behind it, and just evolving 2:14:44.080 --> 2:14:46.880 the defense. We get to the Super Bowl, we're playing 2:14:46.920 --> 2:14:48.240 a lot of five down but now I've got the 2:14:48.320 --> 2:14:50.720 quarterback readoption, so I kick both of the tackles out 2:14:50.760 --> 2:14:52.800 to three techniques. We go into you know, we call 2:14:52.840 --> 2:14:55.160 like ball and chain, where now I'm sending the linebacker 2:14:55.200 --> 2:14:57.080 through the middle and the other guy's rapping fast over 2:14:57.120 --> 2:14:59.600 the top. So that's how that stopped that whole. 2:14:59.480 --> 2:15:00.200 Run system them. 2:15:00.520 --> 2:15:03.760 You know in the Super Bowl, which one the Seattle fourteen, 2:15:04.320 --> 2:15:06.760 and then by the time we get to fifteen, we're 2:15:06.840 --> 2:15:09.160 running that. We had some injuries, we get to sixteen. 2:15:09.240 --> 2:15:11.400 Now we're more five down and then six up. Looks 2:15:12.440 --> 2:15:14.760 you know, branch, We're just we just kept evolving, you know, 2:15:14.880 --> 2:15:15.280 and just it. 2:15:15.320 --> 2:15:18.720 Was always when we started being like me because the league, 2:15:19.400 --> 2:15:24.560 the offenses were changing. Yeah, like this game, we're all twelve. 2:15:25.000 --> 2:15:26.400 By the time of the end of my career, we 2:15:26.480 --> 2:15:28.680 were having like seven dbs on the fucking field. Yep, 2:15:29.040 --> 2:15:31.560 you know, because the game has changed that much from 2:15:32.200 --> 2:15:36.320 you know, Space Game eleven personnel. Now there's four wides groups. 2:15:37.480 --> 2:15:39.880 But if we see, if we all take a real 2:15:40.040 --> 2:15:43.880 look at all the dominant teams, they're all still using 2:15:43.880 --> 2:15:46.480 the old ship. Yeah, because it goes and flows now 2:15:46.520 --> 2:15:49.160 everyone you know, the fullbacks coming back where you could 2:15:49.160 --> 2:15:51.600 blow up these small linebackas defense. 2:15:52.320 --> 2:15:54.480 So when you put twenty one in the field, what 2:15:54.640 --> 2:15:57.360 was happening is your three calls? Yeah, you just don't 2:15:57.400 --> 2:15:59.400 have the time during the week, so you know, offensively, 2:15:59.440 --> 2:16:01.280 Hey we put this unit out there, it's gonna be 2:16:01.320 --> 2:16:03.680 one of three calls. All well, let's get our keys. 2:16:03.720 --> 2:16:05.880 We know how we're gonna attack this. You know, you 2:16:06.000 --> 2:16:09.320 stay in eleven. You let us run our sub packages. 2:16:09.760 --> 2:16:11.760 You have could be four down, it could be six up. 2:16:11.800 --> 2:16:13.920 It could be five down, it could be odd spacing, 2:16:14.040 --> 2:16:15.720 we could be in a buck. Look, you know you 2:16:15.840 --> 2:16:17.880 have all those plus all the disguises behind it that 2:16:17.960 --> 2:16:20.760 we were using, and the on the field because we 2:16:20.800 --> 2:16:23.400 had smart players on the field. Calls where we're swapping 2:16:23.440 --> 2:16:26.120 and switching, that's a lot. That's a lot to deal with. 2:16:26.360 --> 2:16:28.920 Yeah, and we drafted. We drafted the one, I mean, 2:16:29.000 --> 2:16:30.920 Jamie Collins, high tow so. 2:16:32.440 --> 2:16:34.240 Just all those guys I kept, you know, we drafted 2:16:34.280 --> 2:16:37.640 Chandler Syracuse guy. I was like, you know, we drafted 2:16:37.680 --> 2:16:42.000 pass rusher finally, but then I loved Dante like I was, 2:16:42.840 --> 2:16:44.320 you know, he was the guy just washing on tape. 2:16:44.320 --> 2:16:46.800 And again there was there was there was an outside 2:16:46.800 --> 2:16:48.959 linebacker from Alabama that was getting all the press swept. 2:16:49.040 --> 2:16:51.880 We went to Baltimore, but I loved high like. I 2:16:52.000 --> 2:16:53.400 was like, Hi, I will be the next signal caller. 2:16:53.400 --> 2:16:54.640 He's gonna be the guy stands in front of the 2:16:54.680 --> 2:16:56.800 huddle and he's gonna be the guy I talked to. 2:16:56.920 --> 2:16:59.080 And he could play on the edge, you could play 2:16:59.160 --> 2:17:01.240 like the versatility guys. Because then I got van neyd 2:17:01.320 --> 2:17:03.880 right and he was another versatility guy. Or you know, 2:17:03.959 --> 2:17:06.760 I just kept getting again we'd get however we could. 2:17:06.800 --> 2:17:08.200 But I was like, okay, what's the role, what can 2:17:08.240 --> 2:17:09.800 they do? How can they get on the field. How 2:17:09.840 --> 2:17:12.200 does it help us win? And that was so fun 2:17:12.240 --> 2:17:14.920 about the creativity. I got Steph so we could stay 2:17:14.959 --> 2:17:16.720 in more of the lock up stuff with him. We 2:17:16.800 --> 2:17:18.520 could push coverage, we could have help. Devon was in 2:17:18.560 --> 2:17:20.640 the deep part of the field. Pat was Pat Chung 2:17:20.760 --> 2:17:22.320 was the key to all of it, you know, playing 2:17:22.360 --> 2:17:24.640 the safety position, and we could you know, just keep 2:17:24.879 --> 2:17:26.560 working around whatever pieces we had. 2:17:26.640 --> 2:17:27.800 And that was the fun. 2:17:27.920 --> 2:17:29.320 Like that just it was so much fun to like 2:17:29.400 --> 2:17:32.760 do that stuff and then create and we would you know, 2:17:32.800 --> 2:17:34.920 we do all those buttz pick up stuff before practice. 2:17:34.920 --> 2:17:37.200 So I'd be trying stuff out against the offense and 2:17:37.400 --> 2:17:39.600 you know, everybody get all mad and were like this 2:17:39.680 --> 2:17:41.039 is what are we seeing. I'm like, well, if you. 2:17:41.040 --> 2:17:42.560 Can't pick it up, then I think's probably gonna work. 2:17:42.600 --> 2:17:42.959 Walk through. 2:17:45.040 --> 2:17:47.160 This is the worst one. The worst one was were 2:17:47.680 --> 2:17:52.199 Mayo so I called I called double Mug. He walks 2:17:52.280 --> 2:17:54.800 up inside. I forgot who the other inside backer was 2:17:55.760 --> 2:17:58.039 and Rob's on one side, chains on the other outside 2:17:58.760 --> 2:18:01.480 and it was it was Josh Gooje. So we're we're 2:18:01.520 --> 2:18:05.959 doing the right pre practice and so make a protection call. 2:18:06.400 --> 2:18:08.920 So Mayo looks at Rob and goes switch. So they switch. 2:18:09.040 --> 2:18:11.520 Mayo walks up outside, Rob comes inside. So now the 2:18:11.600 --> 2:18:14.760 offense is changing it again, right, So now Rob switches inside. 2:18:15.520 --> 2:18:18.200 So we changed it again on offense and then I 2:18:18.240 --> 2:18:20.440 looked at Mayo and I go, you know, it's like chaos, 2:18:20.560 --> 2:18:23.200 like move it all. So Mao flips everybody. So Mayo 2:18:23.320 --> 2:18:27.520 goes outside, the chandler goes inside. Rob goes back outside, 2:18:27.600 --> 2:18:29.879 like all four And it was like a three hour argument. 2:18:30.280 --> 2:18:31.120 Yeah, Gooje and. 2:18:31.360 --> 2:18:33.000 Josh on how they were going to pick it up. 2:18:33.200 --> 2:18:38.520 And honestly, we didn't do anything, like we're just down operation. 2:18:38.920 --> 2:18:42.280 Yeah, so you're you're you're practicing communication and that's like 2:18:42.879 --> 2:18:46.560 eighty percent of defense is community being able tonicate of 2:18:46.560 --> 2:18:48.680 the most athletic dudes on the field. But I always 2:18:48.680 --> 2:18:51.880 say they're the dumbest guys. I know, dumbest guys. 2:18:51.920 --> 2:18:52.160 I know. 2:18:52.560 --> 2:18:56.200 Here we go again, you know, I mean locking combo. 2:18:56.280 --> 2:18:59.199 The receiver on the fucking field that doesn't play dB 2:18:59.440 --> 2:19:02.160 did the right call, and the guy who plays it 2:19:02.280 --> 2:19:04.680 for a lot of living and making lots of money 2:19:05.240 --> 2:19:06.879 didn't get the call like it just. 2:19:07.040 --> 2:19:09.280 Just run a step. I mean, if you've been running 2:19:09.280 --> 2:19:12.480 that since you're in third grade, exactly, very well. 2:19:12.840 --> 2:19:15.360 It's time for the Chill Zone, brought to you by 2:19:15.480 --> 2:19:19.199 cores Light. Get cors Light delivered straight to your door. 2:19:19.680 --> 2:19:26.000 Visit corslight dot com, slash gwn celebrate responsibly. Can you 2:19:26.080 --> 2:19:31.039 walk us through the Malcolm Butler situation? Yea, the interception 2:19:31.680 --> 2:19:35.920 in in fourteen on the Super Bowl, that whole sequence 2:19:36.000 --> 2:19:38.480 of plays and what do you got on that? 2:19:39.200 --> 2:19:42.600 Yeah, So obviously you're talking about great games, and certainly 2:19:42.680 --> 2:19:45.400 the eleven Baltimore team and and the Y and all 2:19:45.400 --> 2:19:47.640 of it. That's why I love that one. And obviously 2:19:47.720 --> 2:19:50.080 you so I thought that'd be a great one. But 2:19:50.480 --> 2:19:53.840 you know these the fourteen game, the sixteen game, you know, 2:19:53.920 --> 2:19:57.480 the super Bowl. There's there's some crazy, crazy stuff that 2:19:57.640 --> 2:20:01.240 just happened in those games. And the thing about the 2:20:01.320 --> 2:20:07.240 fourteen Super Bowl with Seattle. So going back to around 2:20:07.320 --> 2:20:09.280 this time, really when I took over the defense eleven 2:20:09.400 --> 2:20:12.280 and ten, they would come to me every training camp 2:20:12.560 --> 2:20:14.880 and again in the Bible had all the calls and 2:20:15.000 --> 2:20:17.680 he'd be like, hey, it's like we really every training 2:20:17.720 --> 2:20:19.640 camp hey, when are we putting goal line three corner in? 2:20:19.840 --> 2:20:22.000 And I'd be like, yeah, we got to get that in. 2:20:22.080 --> 2:20:23.640 We gotta get I'm like, we're never gonna run goal 2:20:23.720 --> 2:20:25.640 line three corner like it's eleven personnel, Like I'm not 2:20:25.720 --> 2:20:28.080 doing it, like they're gonna throw, like it's just the 2:20:28.120 --> 2:20:31.560 whole thing. So for years I was like, yeah, it's 2:20:31.600 --> 2:20:33.720 going at like we never got it in. So as 2:20:33.760 --> 2:20:36.520 soon as we win the championship game and I'm like 2:20:36.600 --> 2:20:38.280 I knew we were playing Seattle and walked into the 2:20:38.320 --> 2:20:42.119 defensive staff from I go, you're not gonna believe I'm 2:20:42.120 --> 2:20:44.600 about to say, and they're like what And I'm like, 2:20:45.280 --> 2:20:47.120 we got to put goal line three corner in And 2:20:47.200 --> 2:20:49.200 I'm like, what are you talking about. I'm like, we're 2:20:49.240 --> 2:20:51.280 gonna need this call in this game. I'm just telling you, like, 2:20:51.400 --> 2:20:54.080 we can't. We can't go eleven personnel and not have 2:20:54.800 --> 2:20:57.039 as much mass on the field. I'm like, we got 2:20:57.160 --> 2:21:01.440 to figure this out. So I knew like that Monday 2:21:01.480 --> 2:21:03.080 and everyone was like, there's no way you're gonna call this, 2:21:03.120 --> 2:21:04.840 and I'm like, I'm just telling you we're gonna need 2:21:04.879 --> 2:21:07.680 this call, So start drawing it up. 2:21:07.640 --> 2:21:08.240 Going through the card. 2:21:08.400 --> 2:21:10.840 I think you need the call because I knew that 2:21:11.920 --> 2:21:12.600 no one had seen it. 2:21:12.920 --> 2:21:16.720 We hadn't run it. We hadn't run this call. Need 2:21:16.760 --> 2:21:17.000 that call. 2:21:17.320 --> 2:21:20.880 Just eleven personnel inside the three yard line trying to 2:21:20.959 --> 2:21:24.920 be able to stop Lynch the quarterback run game, the 2:21:25.040 --> 2:21:27.480 receivers that are on the field if you were going 2:21:27.560 --> 2:21:29.440 to go sub defense on the two yard line, Like 2:21:29.720 --> 2:21:31.760 just too much space. There's just too much space. Like 2:21:31.800 --> 2:21:34.560 he's just he's too good. Remember, like I played Lynch 2:21:34.600 --> 2:21:35.920 for a lot of years. When he's at Buffalo, like 2:21:35.959 --> 2:21:37.800 my happiest day. When Buffalo sent him to Seattle, I 2:21:37.879 --> 2:21:40.720 was like thank like m send flowers to Buffalo, like 2:21:40.760 --> 2:21:42.959 get him out of because this guy is unstoppable. I'm 2:21:43.000 --> 2:21:47.640 like that guy was so good, so good. So I 2:21:47.760 --> 2:21:51.240 just needed to have enough size to stop the line 2:21:51.240 --> 2:21:54.000 of scrimmage from moving. And I couldn't give up any space. 2:21:54.720 --> 2:21:56.240 And I also knew that no one had seen it, 2:21:56.520 --> 2:21:58.440 and it was going to be one of those calls 2:21:58.480 --> 2:22:00.640 where I was gonna make them pay, like they were 2:22:00.640 --> 2:22:02.920 gonna panic. I wasn't sure what they're gonna do. We knew, 2:22:03.640 --> 2:22:06.160 you know that they would have a check, which they did. 2:22:06.440 --> 2:22:08.880 We knew we'd kind of get him into that throw 2:22:09.040 --> 2:22:13.000 the rubb route. So we get we probably, I draw 2:22:13.040 --> 2:22:14.560 it all up, I get it ready to go. We 2:22:14.680 --> 2:22:17.320 go down. I remember we practiced like three days before 2:22:17.320 --> 2:22:19.040 we leave, and then we go and I kind of 2:22:19.080 --> 2:22:20.440 told everybody, I'm like, look, we're gonna put this in 2:22:20.440 --> 2:22:22.039 as soon as we get down there. But I wanted 2:22:22.040 --> 2:22:23.680 the week to really work through all the problems, like 2:22:23.760 --> 2:22:26.000 that's just kind of my problem solving. I wasn't gonna 2:22:26.000 --> 2:22:28.280 give it to the guys and then change it. So 2:22:28.600 --> 2:22:32.360 we get down to Arizona, and you know, I put 2:22:32.400 --> 2:22:33.680 it in and I kind of had the guys in 2:22:33.760 --> 2:22:36.879 the right spot that I thought. We practiced it. Now, 2:22:36.920 --> 2:22:38.680 we ran that pick route. We ran it like and 2:22:38.920 --> 2:22:40.640 of course, of course we're into the cards, but like 2:22:41.160 --> 2:22:42.480 we that was like one of those cards like we 2:22:42.520 --> 2:22:43.039 need to see. 2:22:42.879 --> 2:22:44.480 This card, like this is this is voices. 2:22:45.760 --> 2:22:49.000 We did, and the thing was everybody saw it, like 2:22:49.120 --> 2:22:51.440 it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it. We 2:22:51.800 --> 2:22:55.840 ran all the combinations. So we get into the game, 2:22:57.080 --> 2:22:58.120 or we get we get to the end of the 2:22:58.160 --> 2:22:59.320 week of practice and I looked at it and I 2:22:59.400 --> 2:23:00.880 was like, I don't there something here. I don't really 2:23:01.000 --> 2:23:03.840 like I need to move, you know. I switched Jamie. 2:23:03.879 --> 2:23:05.680 I switched him, I switched high. I kind of moved 2:23:05.680 --> 2:23:07.720 somebody up and I kind of switched it. After we 2:23:07.840 --> 2:23:09.320 practiced it like the last day and we kind of 2:23:09.360 --> 2:23:10.720 just walked through it, and I was like, all right, 2:23:11.120 --> 2:23:13.120 because it was really about stopping the run. It was 2:23:13.120 --> 2:23:15.280 going to stop the run, and really the combination with 2:23:15.360 --> 2:23:16.960 it to that side was the snack m flat. I 2:23:16.959 --> 2:23:18.680 didn't worry about the other side because we knew what that. 2:23:18.879 --> 2:23:22.000 Was, so practice it changed it. 2:23:22.040 --> 2:23:25.160 At the last minute, I was like, okay, like it's ready, 2:23:25.200 --> 2:23:27.400 we're gonna I'm gonna need this. And it's literally written, 2:23:27.480 --> 2:23:29.480 it's like three letters in the bottom right hand corner 2:23:29.520 --> 2:23:31.720 of the call sheet. It's like the most tiniest call 2:23:32.160 --> 2:23:35.400 on the sheet. So beginning of the game, we had 2:23:35.440 --> 2:23:37.000 talked about how tough this game was going to be. 2:23:37.080 --> 2:23:38.480 The first play of the game is my favorite play 2:23:38.480 --> 2:23:40.600 of the game. Like you watched the defensive guys because 2:23:40.600 --> 2:23:44.200 we knew their offensive line looked to clean clean the pile. 2:23:44.440 --> 2:23:45.800 So as soon as Lunch got the ball, they were 2:23:45.800 --> 2:23:49.560 coming to take people out. And I was like, look, 2:23:49.600 --> 2:23:50.960 we're gonna taggle this dude in the first play of 2:23:51.000 --> 2:23:52.520 the game. I'm like, but as soon as he's down, 2:23:52.560 --> 2:23:54.920 everybody else go find someone, Go find someone, and go 2:23:55.360 --> 2:23:58.000 knock their heads off because they're not doing that to us. 2:23:58.440 --> 2:23:59.879 And to the point of like one of my favorite 2:23:59.879 --> 2:24:02.320 compliments of all time, and it was probably in the 2:24:02.400 --> 2:24:06.920 twelve era, was Chris Berman, who's a great guy, great friend, 2:24:07.000 --> 2:24:08.720 came up to me and he goes, he said to me, 2:24:08.760 --> 2:24:11.279 he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL, 2:24:11.680 --> 2:24:14.280 And I was like, if our corners tackled a high level, 2:24:14.320 --> 2:24:16.000 the whole team's going to tackle a high level. I 2:24:16.120 --> 2:24:17.840 just I took so much pride in that. So in 2:24:17.920 --> 2:24:20.840 that first player of the Super Bowl and fourteen, we 2:24:21.000 --> 2:24:23.960 tackle inch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take 2:24:24.040 --> 2:24:26.640 dudes out, and like Revis is like taking He's going 2:24:26.720 --> 2:24:28.640 to get like one of the biggest linemen, you know, 2:24:28.720 --> 2:24:30.880 the tackles that had that's coming. So I'm like, okay, 2:24:31.240 --> 2:24:34.360 like we're on this right, Like we're we're coming. So 2:24:35.240 --> 2:24:39.760 we get into the second half and you know, going 2:24:39.800 --> 2:24:42.680 into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right 2:24:43.879 --> 2:24:45.920 and they scored right before half. 2:24:46.000 --> 2:24:49.200 I was I was hot, it was hot. This was bad. 2:24:49.400 --> 2:24:52.840 There's a bad series of bad play. So I am literally, 2:24:53.480 --> 2:24:56.040 you know, I'm I'm, I'm like, we're changing, like I'm 2:24:56.040 --> 2:24:58.200 switching some guys up. Malcolm is gonna come in the 2:24:58.280 --> 2:25:03.520 whole deal. So get into the second half and they 2:25:03.600 --> 2:25:05.200 have It was kind of back and forth right like 2:25:05.240 --> 2:25:06.840 they were moving, we were moving. It was like, you know, 2:25:07.000 --> 2:25:08.800 the defenses in the Super Bowl get worn out. 2:25:08.800 --> 2:25:09.600 It's just what happens. 2:25:09.680 --> 2:25:12.360 You know, if you can control it early, you have 2:25:12.440 --> 2:25:14.119 a chance. But you know, if you're playing like those 2:25:14.160 --> 2:25:16.440 games are long, and if you're moving the ball ear 2:25:16.440 --> 2:25:18.560 in the first half, the second half, you're worried about, 2:25:18.920 --> 2:25:20.520 you know, how well is the defense gonna hold up. 2:25:20.520 --> 2:25:23.120 It's gonna be, you know, be a shootout. So both 2:25:23.120 --> 2:25:24.640 teams are moving the ball and I was like, ah, man, 2:25:24.720 --> 2:25:26.760 this is this is We got to get one stop 2:25:26.800 --> 2:25:28.680 in the red area, will be okay. So it's a 2:25:28.720 --> 2:25:31.680 series going away from you know, like the last play 2:25:31.680 --> 2:25:32.800 of the game is the left the series going to 2:25:32.840 --> 2:25:34.280 the right end zone and. 2:25:36.640 --> 2:25:37.160 Third and two. 2:25:38.080 --> 2:25:41.520 So I call I call call one of our one 2:25:41.520 --> 2:25:44.680 of the stackbacker left. So The idea of the call was, 2:25:44.760 --> 2:25:46.959 we're gonna walk up on the edge the defensive end 2:25:46.959 --> 2:25:49.200 who's now in Ninkovic. He's gonna crash down hard and 2:25:49.200 --> 2:25:50.800 he's gonna take out Lynch, and then the backer's coming 2:25:50.840 --> 2:25:54.240 off for the quarterback. So call stackbacker left third and two. 2:25:54.360 --> 2:25:57.520 Rob goes in and nails Lynch and we stop them 2:25:57.560 --> 2:25:59.440 on third and two. So I was like, we just 2:25:59.480 --> 2:26:02.120 stopped on a nickel defense really two yards giving the 2:26:02.160 --> 2:26:04.200 ball a Lynch Like, that's pretty So I'm like, Okay, 2:26:04.240 --> 2:26:06.480 that's gonna change. They're gonna that's gonna change what they're 2:26:06.480 --> 2:26:09.440 doing right now. So we get the last drive they hit. 2:26:09.640 --> 2:26:13.119 You know, they're coming down. They hit the big play 2:26:13.200 --> 2:26:15.320 down the far sideline. It's on the opposite side the 2:26:15.440 --> 2:26:19.160 rule chain, you know, Dron jumps over the pile, it falls, 2:26:19.320 --> 2:26:22.360 he catches it. Now again, I'm sitting here twenty fourteen, 2:26:22.480 --> 2:26:26.560 seven years later in the same stadium in the Super 2:26:26.600 --> 2:26:30.280 Bowl where David Tyree, when I coached in college, who 2:26:30.360 --> 2:26:32.560 was a special team didn't catch anything in college, catches 2:26:32.600 --> 2:26:36.880 this thing right, and I'm like, holyf did that just 2:26:36.959 --> 2:26:37.440 happened again? 2:26:37.600 --> 2:26:40.280 I was like I was just like I was on 2:26:40.360 --> 2:26:42.160 the scene. We're talking about the scene where he tipped 2:26:42.200 --> 2:26:45.600 it and Curse ended up doing it back Malcolm. Malcolm's great. 2:26:45.680 --> 2:26:47.480 There's a great play that Malcolm makes on a third 2:26:47.560 --> 2:26:49.720 down earlier where he goes up and through the pocket 2:26:49.760 --> 2:26:51.280 and then rips the near hand and gets the ball 2:26:51.320 --> 2:26:53.959 out there. There's a big play in that game earlier 2:26:54.000 --> 2:26:55.560 to kind of get him off the field to get 2:26:55.600 --> 2:26:57.160 the ball back to the offense. But so now they 2:26:57.240 --> 2:26:58.600 line up on them. I click in the high. I'm like, 2:26:58.600 --> 2:27:01.000 they're gonna run it. Man Like I'm looking at High's. 2:27:00.760 --> 2:27:01.200 Got one arm. 2:27:01.560 --> 2:27:03.400 I'm like, they're gonna run it. We were stuck in 2:27:03.840 --> 2:27:07.119 the defense, and he makes it. I saw an unbelievable tackle, 2:27:07.480 --> 2:27:10.800 unbelievablet tackle, one arm gets him down. So now the 2:27:10.920 --> 2:27:15.360 clock is moving, so I know the situation and so this, 2:27:15.760 --> 2:27:17.360 I mean, it's one of those moments where really like 2:27:17.920 --> 2:27:20.240 the like life slowed down for me. I don't know 2:27:20.360 --> 2:27:22.560 exactly how long the seconds were, but for me, it 2:27:22.600 --> 2:27:24.440 felt like a half hour. So I know the call 2:27:24.480 --> 2:27:27.560 I want to make. I'm hearing eleven personnel going in 2:27:27.640 --> 2:27:30.119 the game, and I slide over next to Bill because 2:27:30.160 --> 2:27:32.040 I didn't I wasn't gonna put it out there and 2:27:32.080 --> 2:27:33.520 let them call time out. I didn't want them to 2:27:33.560 --> 2:27:36.000 see no one had seen this. And then so I 2:27:36.040 --> 2:27:37.280 slided it next to the Bill and I was like, hey, 2:27:37.320 --> 2:27:38.400 I'm like, are you calling the timeout? 2:27:39.000 --> 2:27:39.920 And he's staring. 2:27:40.240 --> 2:27:43.000 He's just staring across the field and I'm like, Bill, 2:27:43.280 --> 2:27:45.840 I'm like, are you calling the timeout? And he's not 2:27:45.920 --> 2:27:48.880 saying anything to me. And I was like, hey, I go, 2:27:49.040 --> 2:27:50.480 I need to know because I'm not putting this out there. 2:27:50.480 --> 2:27:52.360 Are you calling the time out? And he's like, yeah, 2:27:52.440 --> 2:27:54.920 just make your call. And I was like okay, so 2:27:54.959 --> 2:27:56.520 I click out. I'm like, hey, go line three corner, 2:27:56.560 --> 2:27:58.880 get it out. Make sure we got Malcolm. So like 2:27:59.000 --> 2:28:00.760 they're all I'm down with Bill. Everyone's out down on 2:28:00.760 --> 2:28:02.920 the sideline, so flow out her flow. He's he's like 2:28:02.959 --> 2:28:07.160 screaming because we had changed the coverages. So like later, 2:28:07.240 --> 2:28:08.200 you know, I'm talking to Bill and I was like, 2:28:08.200 --> 2:28:09.680 what were you watching? He's like, well, I was watching Pete. 2:28:10.200 --> 2:28:12.040 He's like, and I'm watching their offense, trying to figure 2:28:12.040 --> 2:28:14.560 out like they put the personnel, could they sub He's 2:28:14.800 --> 2:28:17.360 watching and then once we put goal line, he knew 2:28:18.120 --> 2:28:20.240 we subbed it so late they weren't going to be 2:28:20.280 --> 2:28:21.600 able to change. They were going to go to the check. 2:28:22.400 --> 2:28:24.800 So we were just waiting it out to see who 2:28:24.879 --> 2:28:26.200 could get it out there last. And I was like, 2:28:26.280 --> 2:28:28.840 cause the hemlic communication shuts off, so they weren't gonna 2:28:28.840 --> 2:28:31.600 be able to check the play to Russ. So we 2:28:31.720 --> 2:28:33.880 get goal lines, so they just see goal. We're signaling 2:28:33.959 --> 2:28:36.360 goal line, so they goal line is going out well 2:28:36.400 --> 2:28:38.640 automatically to them, They're like, all right, well, we're gonna 2:28:38.680 --> 2:28:40.600 throw it. Wait, I have like six thousand pounds of 2:28:40.680 --> 2:28:44.119 flesh like sitting there. I have like Chandler Jones, Dante 2:28:44.240 --> 2:28:50.120 high Tower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince. This is like an 2:28:50.280 --> 2:28:52.680 eighteen wheeler out there. Like you know, I understand, like 2:28:52.760 --> 2:28:54.560 just give the ball to Lynch, but like we had 2:28:54.640 --> 2:28:56.320 just stopped him on Like these are like some of 2:28:56.360 --> 2:28:59.280 the best players in the NFL right there. Yeah, So 2:28:59.440 --> 2:29:01.880 I was like, they're gonna panic, They're gonna throw it. 2:29:02.120 --> 2:29:04.600 I was worried about the snacks of them flat so 2:29:04.760 --> 2:29:07.600 that was built. So I watched them build. So I'm 2:29:07.680 --> 2:29:11.080 watching in my end, I'm watching the left side, and 2:29:11.200 --> 2:29:13.880 I'm like watching him build. They bring the receiver over you. 2:29:14.200 --> 2:29:16.400 I'm I think you think that the brub was is 2:29:16.480 --> 2:29:16.880 all good? 2:29:17.080 --> 2:29:19.280 I just we're good on the rub. Like, they're gonna 2:29:19.280 --> 2:29:21.160 go to the snack seven flat. They guy to have 2:29:21.280 --> 2:29:24.199 a play to the other side. They're gonna pick the linebacker. 2:29:24.560 --> 2:29:27.640 So I'm like, so I'm on with high. I got hey, 2:29:27.720 --> 2:29:29.200 make sure you don't get picked here. I'm like, Lynch 2:29:29.280 --> 2:29:30.480 is going to you know, this is gonna be snacks 2:29:30.560 --> 2:29:33.520 him flat to your to your side. So I'm watching 2:29:33.920 --> 2:29:35.680 the left side of the offensive the right side of 2:29:35.680 --> 2:29:39.080 the defense, and all snapped and I look and its 2:29:39.080 --> 2:29:42.039 snags of him flat and we get picked. Chandler's peeling 2:29:42.160 --> 2:29:44.640 late because he had the peel call he had from 2:29:44.680 --> 2:29:46.440 the high time. I'm like, give Chan the call. So 2:29:46.600 --> 2:29:48.520 Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw, I 2:29:48.600 --> 2:29:50.160 was like, this is gonna be a touchdown. And I 2:29:50.240 --> 2:29:51.840 look and I'm like and then they picked the linebacker. 2:29:51.920 --> 2:29:53.240 So I'm on the headset and I'm like, all right, 2:29:53.240 --> 2:29:54.640 here we go. I'm like, all right, it's not the run. 2:29:54.840 --> 2:29:56.520 I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get the snack seven flat. 2:29:56.720 --> 2:29:58.400 I'm like, oh my god, they picked him. And then 2:29:58.440 --> 2:30:00.040 everyone starts screaming. They're like, no, he picked it, and 2:30:00.080 --> 2:30:01.560 I'm like, who picked what? I didn't see the play. 2:30:01.800 --> 2:30:03.199 I didn't even see the player on the other side. 2:30:03.400 --> 2:30:05.560 I was so worried because the guy's opened in the flat. 2:30:06.680 --> 2:30:09.600 So everyone's going crazy and I'm like what, I don't 2:30:09.600 --> 2:30:11.840 even know what. I'm like, what happened? Obviously, the best 2:30:11.879 --> 2:30:13.040 part of the story is Browner. 2:30:13.160 --> 2:30:13.640 What I love. 2:30:13.920 --> 2:30:16.240 Browner is the one who we're going in half. He's like, 2:30:16.360 --> 2:30:19.560 Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here, 2:30:19.800 --> 2:30:22.080 put them there, put them there right, So it'd be 2:30:22.120 --> 2:30:23.440 a good coach. The best thing you can do is 2:30:23.440 --> 2:30:25.199 just listen to your best player, listen to your smart players. 2:30:25.480 --> 2:30:27.840 So that was the matchups that we did. But when 2:30:27.879 --> 2:30:30.800 they built the stack, you know, Browner looks at Malcolm 2:30:30.800 --> 2:30:33.160 and goes, listen, I'm gonna choke the shit out of him. 2:30:33.200 --> 2:30:33.560 You just go. 2:30:33.840 --> 2:30:37.680 And if you watch the play, Browner's he's literally got 2:30:37.720 --> 2:30:40.320 his hands around his neck. Yeah, and he's and he's 2:30:41.360 --> 2:30:45.039 and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any 2:30:45.120 --> 2:30:47.960 of that. I'm like, we got picked everyone, and everyone's like, no, 2:30:48.080 --> 2:30:49.280 you picked it. I'm like, who, I didn't even know 2:30:49.320 --> 2:30:52.200 we had the ball, so that was like chaos is 2:30:52.240 --> 2:30:55.440 going on. So now again I'm nervous because I'm looking 2:30:55.440 --> 2:30:57.000 at Thelock'm like, oh my god, I'm like where the 2:30:57.040 --> 2:30:59.880 balls like on the inch line here, like there's right. 2:31:00.080 --> 2:31:01.240 So I'm like, they're gonna get the ball back. 2:31:01.240 --> 2:31:01.560 There's up. 2:31:01.600 --> 2:31:03.960 I'm going through situational plays. No one wants to listen 2:31:03.959 --> 2:31:05.360 to me because I'm like, what are we gonna do? 2:31:05.440 --> 2:31:07.200 What are we putting out there? Because I'm panicked, like 2:31:07.320 --> 2:31:10.080 we're gonna be back on the field and obviously, you know, 2:31:10.160 --> 2:31:12.400 we get the thing and the games, and and I 2:31:12.600 --> 2:31:15.920 turn around and Revis is running at me and he 2:31:16.200 --> 2:31:19.440 jumps and I like catch him, like do you know thick. 2:31:20.320 --> 2:31:22.840 He's so he's his little this is what he was 2:31:22.920 --> 2:31:25.320 so good. He was so strong, so he bent. 2:31:25.680 --> 2:31:27.680 He cracks my back. So the end of Super Bowl, 2:31:27.680 --> 2:31:30.160 I cracked my back like in the celebration because he 2:31:30.280 --> 2:31:31.000 jumps up on me. 2:31:31.240 --> 2:31:33.360 I didn't care, Like who cares? Who cares? Right, it 2:31:33.400 --> 2:31:33.879 doesn't matter. 2:31:34.040 --> 2:31:37.000 You know, Stevie B's running around me like like he 2:31:37.280 --> 2:31:39.760 like everybody's freaking out. It was like amazing. Malcolm still 2:31:39.800 --> 2:31:44.520 crying and it was like yeah. It was like total 2:31:44.640 --> 2:31:47.640 chaos and my best my best play if you watch, 2:31:48.360 --> 2:31:51.520 if you watch the coaches copy of that tape, if 2:31:51.560 --> 2:31:53.240 you watch the end zone copy, because again we had 2:31:53.240 --> 2:31:55.320 the extended end zone because we watched the celebration and 2:31:55.320 --> 2:31:59.120 all that stuff in the back of the end zone 2:31:59.240 --> 2:32:01.040 is the Seattle Man, Scott. It's my favorite thing in 2:32:01.080 --> 2:32:03.520 the whole world. He's standing there and you can see 2:32:03.600 --> 2:32:07.240 him as as right before the snap, seems like you can. 2:32:07.200 --> 2:32:09.200 Just see, like, you know, his face. His expression is 2:32:09.280 --> 2:32:09.920 the change. You see. 2:32:10.360 --> 2:32:12.760 We're about the back, we're about the hands, think the lynch, 2:32:12.840 --> 2:32:15.560 we're about to like score here we and they snapped 2:32:15.600 --> 2:32:18.920 the ball and you see him freeze and then the 2:32:19.000 --> 2:32:21.360 ball's picked and he just takes his hands and he 2:32:21.440 --> 2:32:23.400 puts his hand on the front of his beak and 2:32:23.480 --> 2:32:25.320 he stands there like and he doesn't move and you 2:32:25.400 --> 2:32:28.160 could just see him like, what the hell just happened. 2:32:28.160 --> 2:32:31.440 It's the funniest ship ever. I'm just telling you, it's hysterical. 2:32:31.600 --> 2:32:33.960 And he doesn't move, like there's chaos going on. He 2:32:34.000 --> 2:32:36.039 doesn't move for like five minutes. He's just standing there. 2:32:36.240 --> 2:32:36.880 It's amazing. 2:32:36.959 --> 2:32:40.039 But you know what's crazy, Cot That's not the first 2:32:40.080 --> 2:32:44.360 time a coach has has pointed out a standing. Oh, 2:32:44.400 --> 2:32:46.000 we watched the stands all the time because they watched 2:32:46.000 --> 2:32:50.199 so much film, so they sit there chatty l would 2:32:50.240 --> 2:32:52.880 come in there, like, look at this guy. Beer on. 2:32:52.959 --> 2:32:55.000 This guy my favorite. Every year I. 2:32:57.000 --> 2:33:00.240 Would watch every year there's a guy in Buffalo and 2:33:00.440 --> 2:33:02.600 every scoreboard he sits in the right corner of the 2:33:02.640 --> 2:33:05.400 stadium and it would be the middle of December. He's 2:33:05.400 --> 2:33:07.840 got no shirt on, he's got a big beer belly, 2:33:08.080 --> 2:33:09.760 and he looks kind of like, you know, he's got 2:33:09.800 --> 2:33:12.320 long gray hair. So I'm like, and he's every year 2:33:12.360 --> 2:33:14.080 he's there and I always check. I'm like, he's still 2:33:14.120 --> 2:33:15.000 there and no shirt. 2:33:15.000 --> 2:33:15.960 It's middle, you know. 2:33:16.200 --> 2:33:18.760 Or the in New Orleans where the scoreboard there'd always 2:33:18.760 --> 2:33:21.960 be a crew that and Halloween would dress in costumes 2:33:22.080 --> 2:33:24.400 instead above the score so you just you just you 2:33:24.520 --> 2:33:27.200 look always but the mascot and the. 2:33:27.280 --> 2:33:28.080 End zone of that thing. 2:33:28.520 --> 2:33:30.240 It's really we had an extension. It's one of the 2:33:30.280 --> 2:33:34.000 most amazing things. But that was that play, how that 2:33:34.160 --> 2:33:38.080 was put together, the game, the halftime, the fact that 2:33:38.160 --> 2:33:40.640 it was like I can't believe we're gonna install this. 2:33:40.800 --> 2:33:44.440 This is like six years he'd been asking. H'm like, nope, 2:33:44.600 --> 2:33:45.400 here does we need it? 2:33:45.440 --> 2:33:45.760 We got it. 2:33:45.800 --> 2:33:47.600 We're gonna have it right now and put that in 2:33:47.760 --> 2:33:48.959 a week and have that thing go out. 2:33:49.160 --> 2:33:50.520 Was that was crazy. 2:33:50.600 --> 2:33:54.000 And honestly, that whole defensive year like give that, like 2:33:54.160 --> 2:33:57.160 Vince wilf work and I sat down because you know, look, 2:33:57.240 --> 2:34:00.640 he wanted to win again like he was and he 2:34:00.920 --> 2:34:03.840 was unbelievable man. His leadership is guidance of like, hey, 2:34:04.560 --> 2:34:06.520 let's do this, like we you know, give the defensive 2:34:06.520 --> 2:34:09.520 guys a book we read, you know, Legacy the All Blacks, 2:34:09.560 --> 2:34:12.440 and we put all our words together and just kind 2:34:12.440 --> 2:34:14.600 of like all the way through the season, you know, 2:34:14.640 --> 2:34:16.039 the night before the Super Bowl I kind of read 2:34:16.080 --> 2:34:17.360 it to the defense again and like, hey, this is 2:34:17.400 --> 2:34:19.240 what we said we're gonna do. And you know, when 2:34:19.240 --> 2:34:21.600 you win the Super Bowl, Yeah, I think that was 2:34:21.640 --> 2:34:23.920 the year. I kind of told him, like the trophy, 2:34:24.240 --> 2:34:26.040 you know what, it's like the hold the trophy, you know, 2:34:26.160 --> 2:34:27.840 and it's it's heavy at the top, and it was 2:34:27.879 --> 2:34:29.480 kind of like the thing the story, and I explained 2:34:29.480 --> 2:34:31.560 to him how you know, and when we won and 2:34:31.800 --> 2:34:34.080 you know, four and being able to hold the Trophy 2:34:34.120 --> 2:34:38.680 and what that's like, and just all of that expression 2:34:38.720 --> 2:34:41.720 into and and Vince leading the charge, and then you know, 2:34:42.040 --> 2:34:43.720 we tell him like you win a super Bowl, like 2:34:43.720 --> 2:34:46.280 you're bonded for life, Like you're bonded for life, Like 2:34:46.280 --> 2:34:48.160 it doesn't matter where you are when it is, anybody 2:34:48.240 --> 2:34:49.720 on those teams call you, you are bonded for life. 2:34:49.720 --> 2:34:51.760 I have a great picture of you. I was actually 2:34:51.760 --> 2:34:53.000 just looking at the other day. It's you and Rob 2:34:53.080 --> 2:34:56.240 and Chan after the White House. You guys are walking 2:34:56.280 --> 2:34:58.200 down the side of the bus. It's just three of you, 2:34:58.560 --> 2:35:00.440 and I just snapped it, you know. I mean, I 2:35:00.480 --> 2:35:01.920 think you got to lip her out to here and like, 2:35:02.080 --> 2:35:03.960 you know, like the whole deal. We've just been in 2:35:04.000 --> 2:35:06.600 the way and it's like it's the coolest shit ever. Yeah, 2:35:06.640 --> 2:35:10.200 you know, But that that play the time, it was 2:35:10.240 --> 2:35:12.879 just one of those moments in life where just time stopped. Yeah, 2:35:13.040 --> 2:35:15.600 and just like here we go and we're gonna, we're gonna, 2:35:15.680 --> 2:35:17.000 we're gonna do this. It's gonna be crazy. 2:35:17.360 --> 2:35:20.720 It just hit me. Two of the last couple plays, 2:35:22.640 --> 2:35:24.960 one on defense and one on offense, other than the 2:35:25.040 --> 2:35:28.640 when we were running out the clock where adjustments added 2:35:29.320 --> 2:35:33.640 after practices after all our prep was done. My my 2:35:33.840 --> 2:35:37.120 return route, yeah right, that was We added that on 2:35:37.240 --> 2:35:40.960 Saturday night in the hotel goal line, going on three corner, 2:35:41.040 --> 2:35:45.080 three corner added after practice, Like, had to adjust it. 2:35:45.200 --> 2:35:49.840 But that's that. That shows you how smart are our 2:35:49.920 --> 2:35:52.280 coaches were to understand that we needed to put that 2:35:52.440 --> 2:35:54.800 in and how smart the players were to be able 2:35:54.840 --> 2:35:57.720 to execute it without a rep of practice. That's right. 2:35:57.800 --> 2:36:01.400 It's not us, it's you guys. It's the head, you know, 2:36:02.080 --> 2:36:04.040 knowing that you know we may need this and it 2:36:04.120 --> 2:36:06.440 comes down to it. You know that happened a lot 2:36:06.480 --> 2:36:07.440 of times in my career. 2:36:07.640 --> 2:36:10.240 How fast you guys process and put that stuff together, man, Like, 2:36:10.360 --> 2:36:14.880 it's just it's amazing. Like I just you know, like, look, 2:36:14.879 --> 2:36:17.240 I'm I'm just lucky to be there and kind of 2:36:17.280 --> 2:36:19.000 help and do whatever I can to give you guys 2:36:19.000 --> 2:36:20.920 a chance to go play and execute. But watch you 2:36:20.959 --> 2:36:23.280 guys do that up quose man, that is that is 2:36:23.320 --> 2:36:25.280 a treat that you know I'll have with me forever. 2:36:25.400 --> 2:36:29.640 Thankfully. That was the chill Zone thanks to our favorite beer, 2:36:29.879 --> 2:36:33.160 cores Light. Get cors Light delivered straight to your door. 2:36:33.640 --> 2:36:38.360 Visit Corslight dot com. Slash GWN celebrate responsibly. 2:36:38.800 --> 2:36:41.120 I just remember one of the things annowing on. Like 2:36:41.720 --> 2:36:43.480 you listen to a lot of like coaches, right and 2:36:43.480 --> 2:36:45.800 it's like, oh, hey's in the barn. And I used 2:36:45.840 --> 2:36:47.560 to walk in and be like, listen, there's no hay, 2:36:47.600 --> 2:36:49.520 there's no barn. Like we are working until we win, 2:36:49.959 --> 2:36:51.680 and we will keep working until the game is over 2:36:51.760 --> 2:36:52.480 and we have one. 2:36:52.640 --> 2:36:53.000 That is it. 2:36:53.280 --> 2:36:55.160 And that was just the mindset that we always had. 2:36:56.040 --> 2:36:59.320 Now I can see that for the coaches, but sometimes 2:36:59.360 --> 2:37:00.800 you have to put that. You have to say that 2:37:01.040 --> 2:37:04.600 to the player. Yeah, because the physical work. Yeah, the 2:37:04.720 --> 2:37:09.280 mental work, that's pizza Friday. We're good pizza Fridays. Physical work, 2:37:09.760 --> 2:37:10.000 but that. 2:37:10.080 --> 2:37:12.760 Was pizza Friday. Friday was shutting it down. But we 2:37:12.920 --> 2:37:16.360 always you guys, you guys, listen your The edge that 2:37:16.440 --> 2:37:19.760 you guys had is that you did keep working from 2:37:19.840 --> 2:37:22.440 the time like everyone most teams Friday at one o'clock 2:37:22.440 --> 2:37:26.039 they're out, nobody's home, Like that's forty eight hours before 2:37:26.080 --> 2:37:29.360 the game. You guys stayed sharp all the way up 2:37:29.400 --> 2:37:32.000 into the game. And that's the walkers in the hotel. 2:37:32.080 --> 2:37:33.879 Like I know I watched, like you know, the walkers 2:37:33.920 --> 2:37:35.560 in the hotels the meeting. Look, we all tried to 2:37:35.600 --> 2:37:36.800 do it in a different ways. Sometimes it was a 2:37:36.879 --> 2:37:39.840 meeting and we just rolled through calls. But the sharpness 2:37:39.879 --> 2:37:41.640 that you guys were going to the game, the confidence 2:37:41.720 --> 2:37:44.760 of that instilled that you guys brought to the table unbelievable. Man. 2:37:44.879 --> 2:37:47.920 Yeah, I mean I always say it, you know, like 2:37:48.760 --> 2:37:51.520 the Patriot way with everyone else. What is that? I go, Well, 2:37:52.360 --> 2:37:54.680 you know, the coaches had a template, they had the laws, 2:37:55.560 --> 2:37:58.000 and they picked certain players to be sheriff to go 2:37:58.120 --> 2:37:59.480 make those laws enforced. 2:37:59.640 --> 2:38:02.600 You know. Was really easy for us though, was if 2:38:02.640 --> 2:38:04.040 you like I would stand back all the time and 2:38:04.040 --> 2:38:05.920 I would watch Bill, or I'd watch it, I'd say 2:38:05.920 --> 2:38:07.760 the bill. I would watch the team and be like 2:38:08.320 --> 2:38:11.200 it was it was a herd, right. The team moved 2:38:11.200 --> 2:38:13.480 in a herd, and every once in a while you'd 2:38:13.520 --> 2:38:15.040 look and you'd see, like, man, that guy's not in 2:38:15.120 --> 2:38:16.560 the herd anymore, Like. 2:38:16.600 --> 2:38:17.080 What's going on? 2:38:17.520 --> 2:38:20.199 And if you just watched the team, you guys told 2:38:20.320 --> 2:38:23.320 us everything we need to know on who you trusted 2:38:24.040 --> 2:38:25.680 and who could go out on the field and help 2:38:25.760 --> 2:38:28.680 us win. If you just watched, you guys did it 2:38:29.280 --> 2:38:31.480 probably without even knowing it. But if you just watched, 2:38:31.520 --> 2:38:33.840 you'd be like, Okay, we're really good here, Like we 2:38:33.920 --> 2:38:35.680 got to look at that. There's something off over there. 2:38:36.200 --> 2:38:40.640 So by twenty fourteen crazy, the twenty sixteen the high 2:38:40.680 --> 2:38:42.160 tower sack. What do you get on that? 2:38:42.360 --> 2:38:45.760 Yeah, I mean same call, isn't that crazy? Stackbacker left? 2:38:45.800 --> 2:38:48.200 Same call I just talked about with Nikovic. It was 2:38:48.240 --> 2:38:48.720 the same call. 2:38:48.760 --> 2:38:51.040 But let me go back. So this is this is 2:38:51.120 --> 2:38:51.800 you so. 2:38:53.320 --> 2:38:55.600 Obviously, so we're't allowed to five down. We're playing, you know, 2:38:56.760 --> 2:39:00.360 really good offense. It's coming at as fast we're we're 2:39:00.360 --> 2:39:01.320 struggling on defense. 2:39:01.360 --> 2:39:03.439 Right, Yeah, this is one of the highest scoring offenses 2:39:03.480 --> 2:39:04.640 in the history of the league. 2:39:04.959 --> 2:39:08.960 Offensive MVP, best coordinator with Channy, you know, like coordinator 2:39:08.959 --> 2:39:11.960 of the year everything, Yeah, lost, Okay, so coordinator of 2:39:11.959 --> 2:39:13.880 the year, best off you know all this stuff. Right, So, 2:39:15.640 --> 2:39:17.720 so off the first half isn't going good. I'm trying 2:39:17.760 --> 2:39:22.640 to make adjustments. It's it's long and then this is 2:39:22.640 --> 2:39:24.760 another one of those weird things. Right. So the night 2:39:24.800 --> 2:39:27.360 before the game, you know, we got extra time, so 2:39:27.400 --> 2:39:29.119 I'm like, hey, let's watch this game. Let's watch this game. 2:39:29.160 --> 2:39:32.000 Let's watch this game. So I had watched the Chargers game, 2:39:32.200 --> 2:39:33.680 and I was like, I need to show this game. 2:39:34.560 --> 2:39:36.480 So it was the night before the game. I sat 2:39:36.520 --> 2:39:38.240 down with the defense and I said, listen, I go, 2:39:38.400 --> 2:39:41.840 this this offense can score points. I go. But if 2:39:41.879 --> 2:39:43.960 we just play the game all the way out, I go, 2:39:44.080 --> 2:39:46.160 we'll be okay. Look at this game. So the Chargers 2:39:46.200 --> 2:39:49.080 in that year got down early, they got down big. 2:39:49.879 --> 2:39:52.680 But as you watched the Atlanta to Atlanta, as you 2:39:52.760 --> 2:39:55.240 watched the game, they just started chipping away second half, 2:39:55.360 --> 2:39:57.680 chipping away, chipping away, and then they scored, and then 2:39:57.720 --> 2:39:59.640 they stopped them and then they turned the ball over. 2:40:00.080 --> 2:40:01.640 And he got all the way down to the end 2:40:01.640 --> 2:40:03.480 of the game and the Chargers actually kicked the field 2:40:03.520 --> 2:40:05.160 go and won the game. It came back from him, 2:40:05.160 --> 2:40:06.600 was like it was a big deficity. It was good, 2:40:06.959 --> 2:40:08.959 kind of like I was like, I'm gonna show this game. 2:40:09.680 --> 2:40:14.440 So I remember, you know, before the the first half ended, 2:40:14.480 --> 2:40:16.720 I was like, all right, I need to we gotta 2:40:16.760 --> 2:40:18.320 go in this locker room. We got to remind everybody 2:40:18.480 --> 2:40:21.039 like we're okay here. Then other half of this game, 2:40:21.080 --> 2:40:24.280 and we've we just saw on tape how they you know, 2:40:24.840 --> 2:40:27.000 there's a there's a window here. So we go in 2:40:27.040 --> 2:40:29.480 the locker room. First thing, you know, you do because 2:40:29.480 --> 2:40:32.560 the halftime is longer. I'm like, all right, everybody, do 2:40:32.640 --> 2:40:34.360 what you gotta do. Take a couple of seconds, and 2:40:34.480 --> 2:40:36.040 I just got the defense. I said, listen, here's what 2:40:36.080 --> 2:40:39.080 we're gonna do. I'm like, Julio is ridiculous. Like, you know, 2:40:39.160 --> 2:40:40.560 we had the whole like, oh, he's injured. He can't 2:40:40.600 --> 2:40:42.040 play it off his right foot. He's only gonna be 2:40:42.040 --> 2:40:42.600 able to break left. 2:40:42.640 --> 2:40:44.760 Now. Yeah, no, he could break wherever you wanted to. 2:40:45.280 --> 2:40:48.400 So we had to because I was cheating alignments based 2:40:48.480 --> 2:40:51.360 on that injury information. I was like, don't worry about it, 2:40:51.360 --> 2:40:53.640 we're going And then again, you know, we meged the 2:40:53.680 --> 2:40:54.600 backside of cover two. 2:40:55.040 --> 2:40:55.880 We undercut him. 2:40:55.879 --> 2:40:57.360 I think it was Logan and he reached up over 2:40:57.400 --> 2:40:58.800 the top of Logan and took the cut and I 2:40:58.840 --> 2:41:03.160 was like, oh shit, a problem. So yeah, so that 2:41:03.280 --> 2:41:04.440 was in the first half, was like first series of 2:41:04.480 --> 2:41:06.119 the game or whatever. So we go into the locker 2:41:06.200 --> 2:41:07.640 room and said, listen, we're going to all the red 2:41:07.680 --> 2:41:09.520 area calls. I said, I'm just I'm gonna We're gonna 2:41:09.520 --> 2:41:10.920 play the red area calls. These are the calls we're 2:41:10.920 --> 2:41:14.240 gonna do. Went through the staff, go back to the players, 2:41:15.000 --> 2:41:17.240 and I said, fellas, listen, I go, first of all, 2:41:18.520 --> 2:41:20.040 first half, here's the issues. 2:41:20.160 --> 2:41:20.920 This is what happened. 2:41:21.480 --> 2:41:24.960 I go, remember what we watched last night. I was 2:41:25.040 --> 2:41:27.520 like the Charger game. I'm like, we're going to come 2:41:27.560 --> 2:41:29.440 back and win this thing. I'm like, we are gonna 2:41:29.440 --> 2:41:31.560 be fine. Like we just go play every single down. 2:41:31.680 --> 2:41:32.000 We got it. 2:41:32.040 --> 2:41:33.680 We put ourselves in a hole, but we got to 2:41:33.680 --> 2:41:35.440 play every single snap. These are the calls we're gonna make. 2:41:35.800 --> 2:41:37.440 I go, you gotta believe right now because we're going 2:41:37.480 --> 2:41:42.040 to do this. And what was happening was Doran was 2:41:42.120 --> 2:41:44.880 on the bike. You remember this, No, Douran was on 2:41:44.959 --> 2:41:47.360 the bike and he was trying to stay warm. And 2:41:47.480 --> 2:41:50.680 so I let the players, you know, I get down 2:41:50.720 --> 2:41:53.000 my meeting and players going to the coaches and Duran 2:41:53.040 --> 2:41:53.760 starts chirping. 2:41:54.560 --> 2:41:55.240 He starts chirping. 2:41:55.280 --> 2:41:56.920 He's like, we got it, like he just I just 2:41:57.680 --> 2:42:00.040 And I was like you could feel the energy and 2:42:00.040 --> 2:42:01.560 you could feel the belief. And then all of a sudden, 2:42:01.760 --> 2:42:04.680 you come in and you're like we gotta go, and 2:42:04.800 --> 2:42:08.040 you start chirping with Duran and you guys are chirping 2:42:08.080 --> 2:42:10.680 back and forth, and the energy's building and I remember 2:42:10.760 --> 2:42:12.600 walking out, I was like, holy fu, we're gonna win 2:42:12.640 --> 2:42:15.640 this game. And I just I just because I don't 2:42:15.640 --> 2:42:17.000 know where you came from. I don't know why you 2:42:17.040 --> 2:42:20.320 were on our side, and Duran was like chirping, and 2:42:20.440 --> 2:42:22.600 it was like you two are chirping at each other, 2:42:22.680 --> 2:42:24.960 and it was almost like, I don't know if you 2:42:25.000 --> 2:42:26.400 were trying to pump us up or he was trying 2:42:26.400 --> 2:42:28.080 to pump you up or whatever it was, but it 2:42:28.240 --> 2:42:29.480 was just it built. 2:42:29.720 --> 2:42:30.240 And I was like. 2:42:30.320 --> 2:42:32.360 I walked down, I was like, holy shit, we're gonna 2:42:32.360 --> 2:42:34.080 win this game. And I told him before we went out, 2:42:34.080 --> 2:42:35.920 I said, here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna get a 2:42:35.920 --> 2:42:36.560 negative play. 2:42:36.440 --> 2:42:36.959 On the first run. 2:42:37.040 --> 2:42:38.680 They're gonna run the ball. I'm like, Hi, if they 2:42:38.720 --> 2:42:40.680 run it at you, this is a TfL. I'm like, 2:42:40.720 --> 2:42:42.640 if a first start down, they're not gonna throw, We're 2:42:42.640 --> 2:42:44.640 gonna double over here, it's coming backside. It'll be three 2:42:44.680 --> 2:42:46.160 by one. You gotta make the play, and it was. 2:42:46.320 --> 2:42:48.280 Eric made the play on the backside. So the very 2:42:48.280 --> 2:42:50.080 first year they had the ball TfL, in the first 2:42:50.080 --> 2:42:50.680 play they run it. 2:42:50.760 --> 2:42:51.040 The high. 2:42:51.240 --> 2:42:52.720 Third down, they throw it to Eric was like third 2:42:52.720 --> 2:42:54.400 and long because we had put him in long yard situation. 2:42:54.520 --> 2:42:55.680 We break it up and coming side and I go, 2:42:55.720 --> 2:42:58.200 here we go, it's gonna happen. So we go through 2:42:58.240 --> 2:43:01.879 the game, and what happened was the series. They're going 2:43:01.959 --> 2:43:04.160 left or right, so they're going that way in the 2:43:04.240 --> 2:43:07.440 end zone. Second down run. Coleman is in the game. 2:43:07.480 --> 2:43:09.920 Coleman was the third down back. Yeah, Freeman was early 2:43:10.000 --> 2:43:13.000 down back. So Coleman comes in, hands it off and 2:43:13.120 --> 2:43:15.199 I look and he's on the ground and he's injured, 2:43:15.879 --> 2:43:16.720 screwed up his ankle. 2:43:17.640 --> 2:43:19.720 And I remember watching. I was like, it's third down. 2:43:20.120 --> 2:43:20.720 Coleman's out. 2:43:20.760 --> 2:43:23.080 And I clicked and I said, hey, Hi, I said, Hi, listen, 2:43:23.200 --> 2:43:25.240 I said, Coleman's out, Freeman's in. I go, we're going 2:43:25.280 --> 2:43:26.920 stack back or left. I go, don't show it. I 2:43:27.040 --> 2:43:28.800 go walk late. I go, he'll never see you. I 2:43:28.879 --> 2:43:30.840 go go get the ball, Scoop. We gotta score, bro. 2:43:31.160 --> 2:43:32.640 I go, you got this right now. I just it 2:43:32.760 --> 2:43:35.560 was one of those like Coleman got hurt. It clicked 2:43:35.600 --> 2:43:37.119 in my head. Freeman was in there, he was gonna 2:43:37.120 --> 2:43:39.640 miss the protection. Don't show it, walk up late, we're 2:43:39.680 --> 2:43:42.280 coming right at him and we're about to score. We 2:43:42.360 --> 2:43:44.240 didn't score. I thought we're gonna score, but I was like, 2:43:44.360 --> 2:43:46.600 I just so I'm on with High the whole time. 2:43:46.840 --> 2:43:49.360 I go wait, wait, wait, wait, And I can see 2:43:49.720 --> 2:43:51.960 the quarterback give Freeman the mic point and I can 2:43:52.000 --> 2:43:53.600 see him scan correct because he's got the mic and 2:43:53.640 --> 2:43:56.880 he's got scan and he sees High inside and then Hi, 2:43:57.160 --> 2:43:59.160 he goes outside. I go all the way outside the bunch. 2:43:59.320 --> 2:44:01.360 He walked all way outside the bunch and he comes 2:44:01.480 --> 2:44:04.240 ripping off the edge and I was like, I was like, 2:44:04.320 --> 2:44:05.520 no one even sees him and he stripped it. I 2:44:05.560 --> 2:44:07.360 think Branch recovered it. I was like, I thought we're 2:44:07.360 --> 2:44:09.280 gonna scoop the score. But it was the same call 2:44:09.320 --> 2:44:11.640 as Rob I called in twenty fourteen. Rob stopped him 2:44:11.640 --> 2:44:14.040 on the third and short, and it was just one 2:44:14.040 --> 2:44:15.560 of those things where it was like it just clicked 2:44:15.600 --> 2:44:18.200 in my head. It was like, Freeman's out. You know 2:44:18.720 --> 2:44:20.320 they're not, they're gonn screw up the third down protection. 2:44:20.440 --> 2:44:22.680 Let's go get him. So that was the turnover, which 2:44:22.760 --> 2:44:25.040 really then you know, now we're feeling it. 2:44:25.120 --> 2:44:26.280 Then we had the tree Flowers sack. 2:44:26.400 --> 2:44:30.040 So then later in the game. Now they're driving, they throw. 2:44:30.240 --> 2:44:33.320 Julio's right there. He and I was who I was 2:44:33.360 --> 2:44:35.120 with Julio last year. He's like the best right, And 2:44:35.200 --> 2:44:36.920 I was like, bro, how far out about it? 2:44:37.000 --> 2:44:37.440 Did you reach? 2:44:37.520 --> 2:44:39.560 The little ball is literally ten yards out of bound. 2:44:39.560 --> 2:44:42.840 It's ridiculous, right, It's I'm in the coaches, it's passed 2:44:42.920 --> 2:44:44.560 me and he catches this thing, and everyone on the 2:44:44.600 --> 2:44:45.440 headside it's like he's out. 2:44:45.480 --> 2:44:47.000 He's out him like literally looking at his feet. I'm like, 2:44:47.200 --> 2:44:47.800 he's not out. 2:44:47.879 --> 2:44:48.880 I'm like, he just caught it. 2:44:49.680 --> 2:44:51.280 So now they're in field goal rangement. 2:44:51.320 --> 2:44:53.440 I was like, oh my god. So I'm like, hey, 2:44:53.520 --> 2:44:55.840 dev Wick, we got a blitz. So with get the 2:44:55.879 --> 2:44:58.680 TfL And so now it's second along. So everyone's they're 2:44:58.680 --> 2:45:00.320 gonna run again. They're gonna run it again, and some 2:45:00.360 --> 2:45:01.680 of my I was like, they're not gonna run, they're 2:45:01.680 --> 2:45:05.200 gonna throw. And then and I'm arguing. I'm arguing on 2:45:05.240 --> 2:45:08.080 the headsets with Bill. He's like, they're gonna rune it. 2:45:08.080 --> 2:45:09.720 I'm like, they're not gonna run it. I'm like the 2:45:10.040 --> 2:45:11.760 quarterback of the Year got off in the corner of 2:45:11.800 --> 2:45:13.600 the year. Like they're throwing the ball over the place, 2:45:13.640 --> 2:45:15.360 like they're gonna throw it again, like they're they're gonna 2:45:15.360 --> 2:45:16.120 get in their own way here. 2:45:16.200 --> 2:45:17.840 I'm like, I'm so I called. 2:45:18.240 --> 2:45:20.600 I actually called a three man rush because I wanted 2:45:20.640 --> 2:45:22.520 to have max coverage, but it was a five down look. 2:45:23.120 --> 2:45:25.200 But as they lined up, I look, and now I've 2:45:25.200 --> 2:45:28.040 got one. I got Gaeball was great shirt. He's on 2:45:28.120 --> 2:45:30.920 the outside. But now I'm like, oh shit, it's the 2:45:30.959 --> 2:45:33.680 wheel route. I'm like, oh, I'm like, this is about 2:45:33.800 --> 2:45:35.440 I'm freaking out because I'm like, this is about to 2:45:35.480 --> 2:45:38.840 be a touchdown. And so sure enough back I think 2:45:38.879 --> 2:45:41.240 it was Freeman. He releases. I see Jabal he's peeling 2:45:41.280 --> 2:45:43.680 on the wheel. I was like, oh my, like here 2:45:43.760 --> 2:45:45.840 we go. And Trey just because I put him on 2:45:45.879 --> 2:45:47.800 the nose because of his quickness in his length and 2:45:47.840 --> 2:45:50.560 I knew that they would struggle. Yeah, he had the ankle, 2:45:50.760 --> 2:45:52.360 and I knew he was gonna struggle with the redirect 2:45:52.360 --> 2:45:54.520 and Tray's arms for so long he could get into you, 2:45:54.879 --> 2:45:57.240 and he was skinny, and he just skinnied through and 2:45:57.320 --> 2:45:59.240 he gets in and he saxsmon and I was like, 2:45:59.680 --> 2:46:03.560 he's I mean save. So then what happens is on 2:46:03.680 --> 2:46:06.520 that play, so that one or the next one high 2:46:06.600 --> 2:46:09.240 tower he's on. I think it was long on the 2:46:09.280 --> 2:46:14.560 other side and high Tower gets held, totally buried and 2:46:14.600 --> 2:46:16.120 they didn't call it. And I see Hi talking the 2:46:16.160 --> 2:46:18.920 official and I was like, they're gonna call holding. I 2:46:19.120 --> 2:46:21.840 was like, so I stir down, so I'm like, hey, Hi, Hi, 2:46:22.000 --> 2:46:24.760 go again. So he rushes again, flag comes out. I 2:46:24.920 --> 2:46:26.960 was like, pushes him back and before I'm like, I 2:46:26.959 --> 2:46:28.880 don't know how the hell like you just like you 2:46:29.000 --> 2:46:32.840 just see that stuff. So then you know again the 2:46:32.879 --> 2:46:35.160 whole thing was they weren't in control of the game. 2:46:35.400 --> 2:46:36.400 We were controlling the game. 2:46:36.440 --> 2:46:36.920 We were running. 2:46:36.959 --> 2:46:38.760 We were stopping the run now and now we got 2:46:38.840 --> 2:46:42.640 to cover a kick and slate those guys made able 2:46:42.720 --> 2:46:45.520 wile they pin them deep late in the game, and 2:46:45.600 --> 2:46:47.440 I remember clicking on we stopped him on first time. 2:46:47.440 --> 2:46:49.560 Remember clicking on the bill and I go, hey, where 2:46:49.600 --> 2:46:51.360 about to win the Super Bowl? And the craziest rule 2:46:51.400 --> 2:46:53.000 that no one's ever seen before. I'm like, be ready 2:46:53.040 --> 2:46:54.880 for a free kick because I was like, if they 2:46:54.920 --> 2:46:56.480 don't get any more yardage, I'm like, we're gonna fair 2:46:56.520 --> 2:46:57.840 catch this thing. And we're gonna We're gonna win the 2:46:57.840 --> 2:46:59.600 super Bowl. It's gonna be crazy. I think they got 2:46:59.640 --> 2:47:01.160 like seven and put us out, just out of it. 2:47:01.520 --> 2:47:03.600 You know, they kicked it out and. 2:47:04.280 --> 2:47:06.560 I was thinking walk off because I went down to 2:47:07.040 --> 2:47:09.600 return the punt. I was sitting there like, all right, man, 2:47:09.640 --> 2:47:16.400 if I fucking walked this off, man, unbelievable. So so 2:47:16.560 --> 2:47:19.640 then you know, we go to overtime. We tried some 2:47:19.680 --> 2:47:22.400 other ship. Remember we tried the game cock bro, I 2:47:22.480 --> 2:47:25.040 mean blues Hamstring. It was it was like that was 2:47:25.120 --> 2:47:28.200 so bad. Game was like the annexation of Puerto Rico. 2:47:28.360 --> 2:47:32.320 Play for us guy like a bumble Roosky fake Neil 2:47:32.480 --> 2:47:35.280 handed over and fucking that was a crazy game. 2:47:35.400 --> 2:47:35.920 That was crazy. 2:47:35.959 --> 2:47:36.960 So then we win. 2:47:37.200 --> 2:47:41.959 Yeah, it's bananas. I'm so we go through all the sale. 2:47:42.000 --> 2:47:44.400 I get on the bus, right, So I get on 2:47:44.480 --> 2:47:51.600 the bus. Tom Tommy's in the back. It's Josh, Laura, myself, Rina, Bill, 2:47:51.959 --> 2:47:56.119 Tommy's in the back, and I'm literally like, did we win? 2:47:56.360 --> 2:47:58.480 Like I don't even know what happened? And Josh is 2:47:58.480 --> 2:48:00.720 looking at me and goes, hey, bro, goes I didn't. 2:48:01.000 --> 2:48:03.280 I didn't see any of the defense. I didn't see 2:48:03.320 --> 2:48:05.400 one play of the offense. It was because every series 2:48:05.560 --> 2:48:07.280 was like this has to go right in this so 2:48:07.600 --> 2:48:09.600 your catch. I didn't see that till the next day. 2:48:09.840 --> 2:48:11.680 I was like, I didn't see any of any of 2:48:11.760 --> 2:48:13.880 that happened during the game. And Josh was like, what 2:48:14.000 --> 2:48:14.400 happened to you? 2:48:14.560 --> 2:48:17.040 And I'm like, bro, we got the stackbacker left call. 2:48:17.040 --> 2:48:17.680 He's like, you should just. 2:48:17.840 --> 2:48:19.720 Catch Julian made and then we ran this and Josh 2:48:19.760 --> 2:48:21.240 and are trying to fill each other in because I'm like, 2:48:21.440 --> 2:48:24.000 I don't even know if we won and Bill. Bill 2:48:24.080 --> 2:48:25.879 turns around and he's like, hey, look, he goes, listen, 2:48:26.160 --> 2:48:28.119 he goes. You know, we got to play these guys 2:48:28.160 --> 2:48:29.920 next year. It's probably gonna be like the first game 2:48:29.959 --> 2:48:31.920 of the year. They'll probably do that. When we get back, 2:48:31.959 --> 2:48:33.560 Let's make sure we write down, like what was good. 2:48:33.640 --> 2:48:34.720 I'm like, I don't even know if we won. 2:48:34.840 --> 2:48:35.040 Bill. 2:48:35.200 --> 2:48:37.080 I'm like, literally on the bus, I'm like, what are 2:48:37.160 --> 2:48:38.240 you talking about right now? 2:48:38.560 --> 2:48:45.200 I'm like, oh yeah, it was like holy Josh and 2:48:45.280 --> 2:48:47.000 I just looked at you and started laughing. I was like, 2:48:47.080 --> 2:48:48.560 what are you talking about? I don't even know if 2:48:48.560 --> 2:48:49.200 we won the game. 2:48:49.280 --> 2:48:50.920 When was the moment you knew we were gonna win 2:48:51.040 --> 2:48:53.760 fifty one? When when was the real were you saying 2:48:53.840 --> 2:48:55.920 right out of the locker room in halftime? I did, 2:48:56.320 --> 2:48:58.680 I was like, we're gonna win this game. I just 2:48:58.840 --> 2:49:00.480 I was just trying to be a rawer guy. Man, 2:49:00.959 --> 2:49:02.440 it's gonna be a hell of a story bed. 2:49:02.680 --> 2:49:06.880 Yeah. But you but you picked the right guy to 2:49:06.959 --> 2:49:09.120 talk to because Doran was in that mode. And I 2:49:09.160 --> 2:49:11.480 mean it, I was so blessed like to be around 2:49:12.040 --> 2:49:13.880 great guys and I mean, it's so many but it 2:49:14.040 --> 2:49:16.800 was like it was unreal. I mean obviously, I mean, 2:49:16.959 --> 2:49:18.920 you know, myla, I gotta to bring him up. 2:49:19.040 --> 2:49:20.680 Of course, Italians love Italians. 2:49:20.720 --> 2:49:22.200 The same thing I had with Welker. It was like 2:49:22.240 --> 2:49:24.200 I said it, I was like, we played Welker one 2:49:24.280 --> 2:49:28.240 year at Miami and we don't know Mari who played 2:49:28.240 --> 2:49:30.640 at Syracuse pulls his calf in warm up. Yeah, so 2:49:30.680 --> 2:49:32.480 I'm like, I'm gonna just pull his calf and then 2:49:32.480 --> 2:49:36.680 I'm looking, I'm like, Wes Welker is kicking. Wes Welker 2:49:36.800 --> 2:49:39.920 kicked off kickfield goals, extra points caught like one hundred 2:49:39.920 --> 2:49:41.680 and thirty yards on me. I was like, we got 2:49:41.720 --> 2:49:43.560 them in the game. I was like, can we trade 2:49:43.600 --> 2:49:44.800 for this guy because I don't think I want to 2:49:44.800 --> 2:49:45.680 cover this guy anymore. 2:49:45.920 --> 2:49:46.720 This guy is Bruce. 2:49:46.760 --> 2:49:48.800 So we traded so the same thing we're getting Amadola. 2:49:48.840 --> 2:49:51.400 I was like, I don't, I don't want a game plan, 2:49:51.480 --> 2:49:53.080 you man, like, can we just get you over here 2:49:53.120 --> 2:49:53.640 on this side? 2:49:53.680 --> 2:49:57.720 And like you look, they all went out car shop 2:49:57.800 --> 2:50:00.240 and went ahead. The car in the garage already said 2:50:00.240 --> 2:50:03.640 we had we had a good bottle to the real 2:50:03.720 --> 2:50:06.640 car in the garage already in. We're just trying to 2:50:06.680 --> 2:50:09.080 get as many as possible, many as possible. 2:50:09.240 --> 2:50:11.920 So yeah, so Ami Dola and I I was I 2:50:12.040 --> 2:50:13.960 love that I wanted to kill you all when you 2:50:14.000 --> 2:50:14.800 signed Amla. 2:50:15.320 --> 2:50:16.520 Do you know how much of a better player? 2:50:16.720 --> 2:50:18.760 I know, but I still wanted to murder you. Good, 2:50:19.040 --> 2:50:22.320 you should. I think that's what Bill like to. Bill 2:50:22.440 --> 2:50:25.080 used to sign me these contracts where he knew it 2:50:25.200 --> 2:50:28.240 was enough to make me satisfied but also enough to 2:50:28.320 --> 2:50:30.800 piss me off. Listen, you and me both. He did 2:50:30.840 --> 2:50:31.520 that with all of us. 2:50:32.040 --> 2:50:34.280 You know, it's like trying to negotiate a coaching contract 2:50:34.320 --> 2:50:36.800 in there. Hey, but I don't I don't think I should. 2:50:37.200 --> 2:50:39.920 She think we should a little bit more here. He's like, yeah, no, 2:50:42.080 --> 2:50:43.280 I'm just gonna keep your place. 2:50:43.560 --> 2:50:47.720 Yeah yeah, Well. 2:50:47.920 --> 2:50:51.080 That's the beauty of Bill is like it was more 2:50:51.400 --> 2:50:54.320 intellectual than it was. Like I've been around coaches just 2:50:54.400 --> 2:50:57.280 like forrage. You eventually you're like all right, like I'm good. 2:50:57.320 --> 2:50:59.560 But it was the intellectual mind bombs that would go 2:50:59.600 --> 2:51:01.199 off later and you're like, what did. 2:51:01.080 --> 2:51:04.600 You just say? Yeah he would, you know, you're like 2:51:05.480 --> 2:51:06.960 some of them, what did he say? 2:51:07.280 --> 2:51:08.800 The thing like you guys wouldn't see is like we 2:51:08.840 --> 2:51:12.000 would go on road trips and you know, we'd have 2:51:12.040 --> 2:51:14.240 the bus drivers and stuff, and like everybody be on 2:51:14.280 --> 2:51:16.320 the plane will be out there like giving them cash. 2:51:17.000 --> 2:51:18.560 You know, he'd be like tipping on the bus drivers, 2:51:18.959 --> 2:51:20.560 like making sure that they were okay. 2:51:21.120 --> 2:51:21.240 You know. 2:51:21.480 --> 2:51:22.959 Just that was all the stuff where. 2:51:24.520 --> 2:51:27.959 He has a heart killing I love it, killing me. Bro, 2:51:28.760 --> 2:51:32.040 Let's name the game, Mattie P. Now, these are the 2:51:32.120 --> 2:51:39.240 names that we came up with. Sterling Steel, Sterling Steel Steel. 2:51:40.200 --> 2:51:44.280 See he's a fucking aeronautical instro. Bro, I got it. 2:51:44.800 --> 2:51:47.640 Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time? 2:51:47.879 --> 2:51:52.240 Let's score it, Matty P. Zero to ten is okay? 2:51:52.400 --> 2:51:54.480 What are the states yeah, I love this game. 2:51:55.400 --> 2:51:58.320 It is an AFC championship game, so it's definitely above 2:51:58.360 --> 2:52:01.120 a seven seven at above a nine because it's not 2:52:01.200 --> 2:52:05.080 a championship game, so I'm probably the eight. What are 2:52:05.120 --> 2:52:06.000 we doing for Deskmalds here? 2:52:06.400 --> 2:52:09.160 They're okay eight point two eight point two? See the 2:52:09.560 --> 2:52:11.959 fucking Matty pe did this guy damn homework? Probably watched 2:52:11.959 --> 2:52:16.400 about fifteen of our shows just the grading Situationally watched 2:52:16.480 --> 2:52:18.920 this show. All Right, he's gonna all right, let me 2:52:18.959 --> 2:52:20.840 see what the intro is like. All right, let me 2:52:20.879 --> 2:52:23.000 see what the interviews like. All right, let's do the 2:52:23.080 --> 2:52:25.440 score segment. Okay, this is what they do in the 2:52:25.480 --> 2:52:30.360 all right, yeah, yeah, Mavericks owner he too much? Yeah, 2:52:30.879 --> 2:52:35.600 I would say an eight flat eight flat at a 2:52:35.680 --> 2:52:38.520 nine to three at eight? Hi. Hi. 2:52:39.080 --> 2:52:41.720 The other thing about this game, this was a start 2:52:43.000 --> 2:52:45.680 of us turning it around. We had gone through a 2:52:45.720 --> 2:52:47.720 couple of years of rebuilding, and then we had the 2:52:47.760 --> 2:52:49.120 young guys that maybe had a couple of years in. 2:52:49.640 --> 2:52:51.240 We're still gonna add some pieces. We knew we had 2:52:51.240 --> 2:52:53.600 to add some pieces, but it was the start of 2:52:53.760 --> 2:52:57.440 what would become a very long, great, great run. And again, 2:52:57.480 --> 2:53:00.040 if you think about it, you know, twenty ten, we 2:53:00.120 --> 2:53:01.920 had a really good defense. Twenty ten, like we played 2:53:01.920 --> 2:53:05.160 but we weren't the best team. But again, like we 2:53:05.240 --> 2:53:08.040 were young still young were yeah, and we were building 2:53:08.080 --> 2:53:11.160 on defense. We hadn't started drafting all the defensive guys yet. 2:53:11.200 --> 2:53:14.600 We had a couple. But two thousand and one, right 2:53:15.000 --> 2:53:17.960 to me, is kind of like twenty eleven. Thousand and 2:53:18.000 --> 2:53:21.400 one starts a run of ten years of like unbelievable, 2:53:21.560 --> 2:53:24.320 Like twenty eleven started a run of like unbelievable play. 2:53:24.640 --> 2:53:27.520 It's it's crazy unbelievable. 2:53:27.520 --> 2:53:30.279 Star power struggle. I struggle with because. 2:53:30.000 --> 2:53:32.120 Again, the beauty of this game to me is that 2:53:32.640 --> 2:53:35.000 I think the star power is low on our side. 2:53:35.000 --> 2:53:37.400 Their side, I think it was high. I mean, look 2:53:37.440 --> 2:53:39.720 we had Tom Brady, so like that Trump's all of it, right, 2:53:39.879 --> 2:53:42.360 Like that makes all of it. Uh, you're young at 2:53:42.400 --> 2:53:45.920 this point, so you know and can play. So I 2:53:46.000 --> 2:53:47.920 think that's why I love the game is because the 2:53:48.000 --> 2:53:50.520 star power it's kind of lower, kind of scrappy, kind 2:53:50.520 --> 2:53:54.080 of gritty, kind of like you know, but but winners. Yeah, 2:53:54.200 --> 2:53:55.880 it just now if you take where they went to, 2:53:56.000 --> 2:53:59.160 where all you guys went to, star powers out out 2:53:59.200 --> 2:54:02.040 the chain, so if you graded at the time, it's low. 2:54:02.440 --> 2:54:04.959 If you're graded now, we're in the nines. A lot 2:54:05.000 --> 2:54:09.280 of really good names on that at the time. That's 2:54:09.280 --> 2:54:10.680 why I see, I'm trying to get a little clarity 2:54:10.680 --> 2:54:11.880 because I'd like this one to be up there a 2:54:11.920 --> 2:54:13.800 little bit. I won't be in like that fifty four 2:54:13.920 --> 2:54:15.640 range or whatever that was I saw last time on 2:54:15.720 --> 2:54:18.440 this thing, right, So I'm just saying, you know, overall, 2:54:18.520 --> 2:54:19.720 so I was trying to bump it up to like 2:54:19.879 --> 2:54:23.040 current would be like a nine to four, and current 2:54:23.480 --> 2:54:26.000 where it was during the time, Let's say it's it's 2:54:26.080 --> 2:54:26.800 probably an eight. 2:54:27.480 --> 2:54:31.240 Eight for us. Yeah, I mean you got two first 2:54:31.280 --> 2:54:35.560 ballot Hall of Fame coaches, work coaches. It's star power 2:54:35.840 --> 2:54:36.000 of the. 2:54:37.640 --> 2:54:39.720 Crowd. Oh god, Stephen Tyler. 2:54:39.760 --> 2:54:41.760 With Steven Tyler, I had to go like. 2:54:41.800 --> 2:54:43.800 Find the lady that made that so my wife could 2:54:43.840 --> 2:54:44.480 get one and stand. 2:54:45.000 --> 2:54:50.280 I mean, there's a lot you could bump it up. 2:54:50.280 --> 2:54:52.760 I mean, Hall of Fame coaches, Steven Tyler. 2:54:53.640 --> 2:54:56.280 It's pretty big. This is real big. Potentially more Hall 2:54:56.280 --> 2:54:58.360 of Fame coaches because there's still a lot of meeting 2:54:58.400 --> 2:54:59.600 on a lot of careers, a lot of a lot 2:54:59.640 --> 2:55:01.920 of meat. Those bones for so a lot of these 2:55:01.959 --> 2:55:06.920 guys eight nine, I'll go eight five. 2:55:08.240 --> 2:55:08.840 Talk you into that. 2:55:09.800 --> 2:55:12.360 I went nine to one. I'm going high. Are you 2:55:12.840 --> 2:55:14.840 see Jackie Blaze's Patriot games? 2:55:14.920 --> 2:55:15.120 I do. 2:55:15.320 --> 2:55:17.320 I'm a homer. I am an unabashed homer. 2:55:17.520 --> 2:55:17.880 I love it. 2:55:18.120 --> 2:55:22.760 The gameplay of this game at ep back forth. Yeah, 2:55:22.840 --> 2:55:24.120 how it's the field goals, I. 2:55:25.480 --> 2:55:27.040 Know, but like I know, people don't like field goals. 2:55:27.080 --> 2:55:30.840 People want touchdowns. But when you're calling defense, that is stressful. 2:55:30.959 --> 2:55:33.080 There's there's some stressful. 2:55:32.640 --> 2:55:35.520 Back and forth here. There's back to back turnovers. We 2:55:35.640 --> 2:55:36.760 picked it off, they picked it off. 2:55:36.800 --> 2:55:39.000 I'm like, you think you're good and good and then 2:55:39.360 --> 2:55:41.240 we throw the slate. That's right. 2:55:41.400 --> 2:55:43.360 So the back and forth in this the stress level 2:55:43.400 --> 2:55:45.560 of this game, it was pretty good. There's a lot 2:55:45.640 --> 2:55:47.440 riding and you put you know what we're playing for 2:55:48.080 --> 2:55:51.120 ira Craft all the rest of ye I was stressed. 2:55:51.200 --> 2:55:52.680 This one was stressful. This was a nine to one 2:55:52.720 --> 2:55:52.920 for me. 2:55:55.080 --> 2:55:55.959 For me, there's. 2:55:57.280 --> 2:55:58.680 You could just get a lock combo in this one. 2:55:58.680 --> 2:56:01.360 I'm sure there was probably know we got receivers playing 2:56:01.480 --> 2:56:03.720 fucking dv in this game. Do you think the gameplay 2:56:03.800 --> 2:56:08.200 is going to be fallless? Jesus Christ, what do we do. 2:56:08.520 --> 2:56:12.400 I'm gonna go I'm gonna go E eight because it 2:56:12.520 --> 2:56:15.560 still was. It was an exciting fucking game, and it's Baltimore, 2:56:16.360 --> 2:56:19.840 Baltimore hated and they came into our stadium and beat 2:56:19.879 --> 2:56:22.760 our ass the last time in the playoffs went I 2:56:22.840 --> 2:56:23.400 went eight five. 2:56:23.720 --> 2:56:25.560 Missing a kick at the end of a game always 2:56:25.680 --> 2:56:28.480 is a little bit of a detractor for me. Giants 2:56:28.520 --> 2:56:30.520 won a Super Bowl doing that, and then they didn't 2:56:30.520 --> 2:56:32.560 have a good, good gameplay score right. 2:56:33.360 --> 2:56:35.520 Missing I think missing and blocking a field, all that 2:56:35.600 --> 2:56:38.480 stuff I think is just because they missed doesn't mean 2:56:38.480 --> 2:56:41.240 they didn't affect the kick. I don't think the rush 2:56:41.280 --> 2:56:42.200 didn't affect the kick. 2:56:43.720 --> 2:56:45.119 The stadium. 2:56:47.959 --> 2:56:50.640 Make them kick it in the closed end zone late 2:56:50.760 --> 2:56:53.560 in the year when the pattern of the wind goes 2:56:53.600 --> 2:56:56.080 from the open lighthouse across the field to their side, 2:56:56.240 --> 2:56:58.280 and the kicker is going to overcorrect for that and 2:56:58.360 --> 2:56:59.160 the wind dies. 2:56:59.000 --> 2:57:00.680 Right, and then you put the rush to the right 2:57:00.840 --> 2:57:02.640 so that he has to think, get it away from 2:57:02.680 --> 2:57:05.640 the rush. Hmmm, I'm going to move it up. 2:57:05.680 --> 2:57:07.400 I'm going to go to stadiums and I'd be like, 2:57:07.400 --> 2:57:10.440 all right, what flag am I watching? Because you couldn't watch. 2:57:10.680 --> 2:57:13.560 You couldn't watch the uprights. So there's there's every stadium 2:57:14.160 --> 2:57:16.840 at a list of what flag in that stadium was 2:57:16.840 --> 2:57:18.879 going to tell me the true direction of the wind? Wow? 2:57:19.520 --> 2:57:23.440 So who's who's the flag scouter? Like, who did we 2:57:23.520 --> 2:57:26.520 higher on the staff to the scout out? Which flag 2:57:26.680 --> 2:57:28.560 is the wind flag scottio. 2:57:29.160 --> 2:57:31.760 You know, we can call on other teams like hey, 2:57:31.840 --> 2:57:34.320 what flag are we watching for the like, Hey, we're 2:57:34.400 --> 2:57:37.360 just trying to, you know, do everything. We could win 2:57:37.520 --> 2:57:40.080 where you could be the Buffalo wind because that was 2:57:40.120 --> 2:57:40.800 crazy over there. 2:57:40.840 --> 2:57:43.840 I played the night before in two thousand and eight. 2:57:43.879 --> 2:57:47.560 You're talking about the two thousand and eight win where ridiculous. 2:57:47.920 --> 2:57:48.280 I play. 2:57:48.360 --> 2:57:51.080 Weather games were the most amazing things I've ever been 2:57:51.120 --> 2:57:51.400 a part of. 2:57:51.840 --> 2:57:55.160 I played the Saturday before you guys played in my 2:57:55.360 --> 2:58:00.600 last college game at Buffalo against Buffalo. That's awesome and 2:58:00.680 --> 2:58:03.600 that wind, that that crazy win game where you didn't throw. Remember, 2:58:04.080 --> 2:58:06.039 I'm not talking about the Mac Jones one. 2:58:07.080 --> 2:58:08.720 Was the most amazing win I've ever seen. That was 2:58:09.280 --> 2:58:13.240 sixty had chains. They had chains holding the uprights for 2:58:13.520 --> 2:58:17.120 just ripping off. I literally told the DBS, I said, 2:58:17.160 --> 2:58:18.960 listen because the wind was blown across the field to 2:58:19.000 --> 2:58:21.160 their sideline. I said, play the top of the numbers 2:58:21.200 --> 2:58:21.840 as the sideline. 2:58:22.879 --> 2:58:23.200 That's it. 2:58:23.520 --> 2:58:25.160 I go move everything inside. They're not going to be 2:58:25.200 --> 2:58:26.160 able to throw it outside. 2:58:26.280 --> 2:58:29.520 It was that. It was really unreal. I changed my 2:58:29.560 --> 2:58:32.680 score to eight six. That might be a first and 2:58:33.760 --> 2:58:36.600 Maddy p Lastly, to top it off, we had to 2:58:36.680 --> 2:58:38.800 score the name of the game, which you came up with, 2:58:38.879 --> 2:58:41.280 the fucking killer little name that I just yeah, I 2:58:41.400 --> 2:58:44.400 kind of like it as the Sterling stealing steel Man. 2:58:44.480 --> 2:58:46.720 This is like a guy's legacy right here, if we're 2:58:46.720 --> 2:58:50.120 talking about a dude's legacy. Sterling Steel, fucking Sterling Sterling 2:58:50.200 --> 2:58:52.240 made some money, got us to the Super Bowl. 2:58:52.920 --> 2:58:54.600 They've definitely made a couple of ducats off of it. 2:58:54.680 --> 2:58:56.600 That's pretty tight right there. You know his coaching right now. 2:58:56.600 --> 2:58:57.520 I think it is highlight. 2:58:57.680 --> 2:58:59.440 Yeah, whole highlight on the ESPN form. 2:58:59.480 --> 2:59:03.600 It's a nine nine five Sterling Steel game. I'm gonna 2:59:03.600 --> 2:59:07.360 go with an eight to two eight two. That's low. Well, 2:59:07.360 --> 2:59:09.640 I mean you got to think about this, Matt, I 2:59:09.720 --> 2:59:13.600 think about it. We did the immaculate reception culturally, do 2:59:13.680 --> 2:59:18.520 you we're talking about that? Huh? I didn't we're not. 2:59:19.160 --> 2:59:22.920 But we know that game from nineteen seventy something and 2:59:23.040 --> 2:59:26.480 it's fifty years past. Fifty years. You give that one, 2:59:27.120 --> 2:59:29.760 Hi hi, Hi, okay, so go a little bit. I 2:59:29.800 --> 2:59:32.960 went seventy. No low, that didn't go high high. I 2:59:33.040 --> 2:59:36.039 gave that one maybe like a nine. Really, what's ten? 2:59:37.240 --> 2:59:37.440 Is there? 2:59:37.840 --> 2:59:41.200 There's no you played for Coach Belichick. There's no perfect game. 2:59:41.600 --> 2:59:43.720 I won a Super Bowl MVP and I almost had 2:59:43.760 --> 2:59:46.879 a perfect play call out sheet, but I still remember 2:59:47.000 --> 2:59:50.160 three plays that keep me up at night. So it 2:59:50.320 --> 2:59:52.640 wasn't a perfect game. Like when you when you eat 2:59:52.640 --> 2:59:54.960 a burger? Have you ever had a ten burger? And 2:59:55.040 --> 2:59:57.360 if you're telling me yes, and I'm definitely needing some, 3:00:00.040 --> 3:00:02.720 knock you off your socks and you'll go back. Seven 3:00:02.720 --> 3:00:05.200 to five will bring you back. Seven five will bring 3:00:05.280 --> 3:00:08.000 you back. So anything in ninees is like, oh my god, 3:00:08.080 --> 3:00:10.360 what the you're talking about? Don't talk me down. I'm 3:00:10.360 --> 3:00:11.039 trying to talk you up. 3:00:11.080 --> 3:00:13.520 All right, it's this cultural impact. 3:00:13.840 --> 3:00:16.400 Can I get a retraction? You can change it? All right, 3:00:16.720 --> 3:00:17.000 let's go. 3:00:17.080 --> 3:00:17.920 I did at eight point one. 3:00:18.000 --> 3:00:18.840 I'm four. 3:00:19.160 --> 3:00:22.680 Terry Bradshaw did a ten even on the Immaculate Reception. 3:00:23.000 --> 3:00:26.320 He might be with my with my retraction. 3:00:27.040 --> 3:00:27.200 Four. 3:00:27.440 --> 3:00:29.720 All right, what does that put us? This is going 3:00:29.800 --> 3:00:30.160 to be high. 3:00:30.840 --> 3:00:37.440 Puts us right here, just tenth. It's just ahead of 3:00:37.480 --> 3:00:39.400 the Statue of Liberty Game two thousand and seven fest 3:00:39.440 --> 3:00:42.520 the ball stay for Oklahoma, and just behind the nineteen 3:00:42.600 --> 3:00:44.560 ninety nine Women's World Cup China USA. 3:00:45.280 --> 3:00:49.200 This is the diving board to the next generation of 3:00:49.320 --> 3:00:54.840 the dynasty, This twenty eleven team, This hardship that we 3:00:54.959 --> 3:00:58.240 had to learn the very two weeks, the next two 3:00:58.280 --> 3:01:00.840 weeks later, whatever leadership. 3:01:00.480 --> 3:01:02.600 You guys learned, you know, like again, like I'm just 3:01:02.920 --> 3:01:06.120 remember like all the young guys that came in, like 3:01:06.200 --> 3:01:09.160 you guys had big You guys had ginormous shoes to film. 3:01:09.280 --> 3:01:12.039 Oh yeah, ginormous shoes. You think I loved hearing about 3:01:12.120 --> 3:01:15.279 fucking the other Patriots. I wanted to win Super Bowls 3:01:15.440 --> 3:01:18.240 just as so Bill could stop talking about Teddy Bruce Ski, 3:01:18.400 --> 3:01:19.000 Troy Brown. 3:01:19.080 --> 3:01:20.200 What do you think that was the brilliance of it? 3:01:21.440 --> 3:01:25.320 I mean, like my linebacker room, like Teddy Bruski, Mike Junior, 3:01:25.800 --> 3:01:28.960 William McGinn, it's Roosevelt Colvin and Dahlius Thomas larry Is. 3:01:29.280 --> 3:01:31.600 But it motivated me to it motivated me to want 3:01:31.640 --> 3:01:33.400 to say, I want to make our stamp on it. 3:01:34.120 --> 3:01:38.600 So like it was a great motivation factory because you 3:01:38.800 --> 3:01:41.520 definitely you love the guys to death and you respect 3:01:41.560 --> 3:01:44.720 them because they were always around. But like we wanted 3:01:44.760 --> 3:01:46.640 to be something, you know, you wanted to be in 3:01:46.720 --> 3:01:50.720 that level that was like a fucking a shooting star 3:01:50.840 --> 3:01:53.000 that you're looking at. You guys grew and they went 3:01:53.120 --> 3:01:57.840 back to back. We never did close fucking bullshit S three. 3:01:58.760 --> 3:01:59.920 We still got three back to back. 3:02:00.560 --> 3:02:03.920 We played, we won twenty one in a row. Yeah, 3:02:04.240 --> 3:02:06.440 that was twenty one games in a row. We want 3:02:07.400 --> 3:02:11.920 until it was Halloween. It was Halloween in Pittsburgh two 3:02:11.920 --> 3:02:14.840 thousand and four, So twenty one in a row. You 3:02:14.879 --> 3:02:16.560 haven't lost in twenty one games the NFL. 3:02:16.600 --> 3:02:17.640 That's crazy, man. 3:02:17.840 --> 3:02:19.840 We're at the end here, Yeah, because I got I 3:02:19.879 --> 3:02:21.400 got I got something. 3:02:22.240 --> 3:02:26.280 What do you got something? Well? Before that, did we 3:02:26.360 --> 3:02:27.640 miss anything from this game? 3:02:27.959 --> 3:02:31.920 Thank you the guys that were out there, And like 3:02:32.000 --> 3:02:34.120 I said, I've been waiting like ten years to get 3:02:34.480 --> 3:02:38.119 an offensive guy on the defensive field. Kidding me again, 3:02:38.200 --> 3:02:41.160 it was just I wouldn't say there was there was 3:02:41.200 --> 3:02:43.360 stars on the field, but there was stars waiting to 3:02:43.440 --> 3:02:44.959 be born on the field and that's. 3:02:44.800 --> 3:02:48.880 Cool, yeah to me. So maybe time to let the 3:02:49.400 --> 3:02:51.080 ways day. 3:02:52.959 --> 3:02:53.560 I got something for you. 3:02:53.640 --> 3:02:54.080 What do you get? 3:02:54.120 --> 3:02:55.880 So when I got back to New England, right, So 3:02:55.959 --> 3:02:57.959 I left for a little while, took a cup of coffee. 3:02:59.240 --> 3:03:00.840 On the Midwest. I come back. 3:03:01.879 --> 3:03:04.400 New England is my home. You know, the fans and 3:03:04.800 --> 3:03:06.000 you know I love it there and my kids were 3:03:06.040 --> 3:03:07.960 born there and all that stuff and you guys. Right, 3:03:08.000 --> 3:03:09.480 So I got back to New England. It was very 3:03:09.480 --> 3:03:11.760 emotional for me to go in that building. Now I'm 3:03:11.760 --> 3:03:13.480 coming in a different role. I'm coming in because Nick 3:03:13.560 --> 3:03:15.360 left and Bill needs me to do the GM stuff 3:03:15.400 --> 3:03:17.360 and kind of oversee and just be his eyes and 3:03:17.400 --> 3:03:20.160 ears and all that stuff. So as the GM when 3:03:20.160 --> 3:03:24.080 I get back, you know, your situation was coming up. 3:03:24.760 --> 3:03:28.320 So talking to Don Don was amazing. He and I 3:03:28.400 --> 3:03:35.040 went amazing conversations. And so you were going to retire. Yeah, 3:03:35.680 --> 3:03:38.080 I was in this situation, was like, all right, well 3:03:38.120 --> 3:03:42.720 here's here's here's a legendary Patriot player that I've watched 3:03:42.920 --> 3:03:45.800 just grow up before my eyes. Someone I admire, someone 3:03:45.879 --> 3:03:49.400 that worked hard, just did it our way and really special. 3:03:49.480 --> 3:03:53.040 You're a special person. So when it was all settled 3:03:53.040 --> 3:03:54.560 and everything was worked out and you were going to retire. 3:03:55.320 --> 3:03:57.080 So my office was Nick's office, which is next to 3:03:57.280 --> 3:04:00.600 the personnel room. So I walked into the personnel room 3:04:00.640 --> 3:04:02.960 and we had the personnel board in there for the 3:04:03.000 --> 3:04:05.560 Patriots has all the players on the team throw up 3:04:05.600 --> 3:04:08.039 in magnets in the name tags. So usually when someone 3:04:08.240 --> 3:04:10.960 retires or leaves or whatever, it is like, you know, 3:04:11.120 --> 3:04:13.360 like one of the young guys in the scotting apartment 3:04:13.400 --> 3:04:15.040 comes in and just grabs a name and he's gets 3:04:15.200 --> 3:04:18.960 thrown away or it gets uh maybe put in the 3:04:19.000 --> 3:04:21.120 back corner or whatever. And I just, you know, always 3:04:21.160 --> 3:04:22.959 felt like those names to me that we had up 3:04:23.000 --> 3:04:24.920 on that board represented so much more than just a 3:04:24.959 --> 3:04:29.240 piece of paper. I just and knowing you, I just 3:04:29.320 --> 3:04:32.080 kind of went in and I was like, I don't know, 3:04:32.120 --> 3:04:33.880 I just got to take this off the board and 3:04:34.000 --> 3:04:36.320 I took your name and I. 3:04:37.800 --> 3:04:43.720 Opened that my guy. Then we start crying. Matty P. 3:04:45.200 --> 3:04:45.640 Got here. 3:04:53.600 --> 3:04:55.120 So that was your name tag that was on the 3:04:55.160 --> 3:04:58.120 personnel board at the Patriots while you were playing. I 3:04:58.120 --> 3:05:00.120 don't know if it always got updated because it was 3:05:00.160 --> 3:05:02.440 on there for a while, but I didn't want that 3:05:02.560 --> 3:05:05.480 to just go anywhere. I thought that it should go 3:05:05.560 --> 3:05:08.120 to you. And so for whatever reason, how many here 3:05:08.160 --> 3:05:10.680 every year as it is now, I back then grabbed 3:05:10.680 --> 3:05:14.120 it in the moment and I've just kept it all 3:05:14.200 --> 3:05:14.680 these years. 3:05:15.360 --> 3:05:18.480 And uh yeah, I thought it was it's got my 3:05:18.600 --> 3:05:19.280 salary on there. 3:05:19.480 --> 3:05:22.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a salary. There's no doubt 3:05:22.480 --> 3:05:23.800 we had a salary on there, of course. 3:05:24.240 --> 3:05:27.400 But uh, what is uh nine and a half? Okay, 3:05:28.240 --> 3:05:30.640 twenty nine nine and a half there? Your hand size? 3:05:30.760 --> 3:05:32.720 Is that? That is my hand size? I am that's 3:05:32.800 --> 3:05:34.520 that's a big hand for my size. 3:05:34.680 --> 3:05:37.560 Yeah, but that was to me, those tags on the 3:05:37.560 --> 3:05:39.320 board represented more than just piece of paper. 3:05:39.600 --> 3:05:41.640 Dude, I appreciate that. I love you, man, I love 3:05:41.720 --> 3:05:43.520 you too, buddy, I really do know. This is what 3:05:44.000 --> 3:05:46.280 this is. When you go into a general manager your office, 3:05:46.879 --> 3:05:49.960 they always had the they could slide something so you 3:05:50.000 --> 3:05:53.160 couldn't see the names board. I would always sneak up 3:05:53.200 --> 3:05:55.840 in there. Once I look and see the depth chart, 3:05:55.920 --> 3:05:58.200 Well you can see where what the guys were taking 3:05:58.280 --> 3:06:01.400 through their depth charts, you know, they plot out the 3:06:01.440 --> 3:06:04.720 team on how they wanted to build it. Thank you, man, 3:06:04.760 --> 3:06:07.600 that's so that's I appreciate you. I love you to death. 3:06:07.680 --> 3:06:08.040 Mattie P. 3:06:08.879 --> 3:06:10.000 Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 3:06:10.000 --> 3:06:12.240 I appreciate you coming on. Anything else from you guys, 3:06:12.720 --> 3:06:15.760 that was unbelievable. I feel like my ball knowledge is 3:06:16.600 --> 3:06:19.080 my Oh I man, that was an honor. Thank you 3:06:19.160 --> 3:06:21.000 so much. That's why we do the show for conversations 3:06:21.040 --> 3:06:25.280 like this, and everyone go out and check out. Coach 3:06:25.840 --> 3:06:28.280 Matty P wrote it, He's helped producing it. I think 3:06:28.320 --> 3:06:30.640 he's doing all the nuts and bolts of it. It's 3:06:30.680 --> 3:06:34.439 with matt it's Matty Pea's in it, Coach Belichick, Mike Lombardi, 3:06:34.959 --> 3:06:39.080 it's and I listen to it every week just because 3:06:39.640 --> 3:06:43.160 that's how they would talk in our team meetings a 3:06:43.240 --> 3:06:45.160 lot of time. But also then you hear the buddy 3:06:45.200 --> 3:06:47.680 buddy shit what they would say, probably in the staff meetings, 3:06:48.360 --> 3:06:51.440 So I always like to hear that stuff. But it's 3:06:51.480 --> 3:06:54.400 a great content. I appreciate you coming out, man, And 3:06:54.480 --> 3:06:58.960 I wait, last before anything, best friends with the big guy? Yeah, 3:07:00.600 --> 3:07:04.280 all right, So why is he dodging me? Why he 3:07:04.400 --> 3:07:08.360 dodging Why is he dodging games with names in the nuthouse. 3:07:08.560 --> 3:07:10.640 I think he's I think he's just you know, he's busy, 3:07:11.040 --> 3:07:14.040 busy stuff going on. You're on the West Coast. Had 3:07:14.040 --> 3:07:15.400 a lot of stuff going on in my life. You 3:07:15.440 --> 3:07:17.160 know what, I know what he told me to do. No, 3:07:17.400 --> 3:07:20.400 put it in the draw He said, take everything, and 3:07:20.520 --> 3:07:23.080 you put it in a fucking drawer and when the 3:07:23.200 --> 3:07:26.800 season's over you could deal with it. Yeah, okay, I 3:07:26.920 --> 3:07:30.360 put it in for thirteen years. Put it in the drawer. Coach, 3:07:30.400 --> 3:07:31.800 I just want you to come talk ball. 3:07:31.920 --> 3:07:35.160 Yeah, well just think how fool his drawers. There's a 3:07:35.200 --> 3:07:35.600 lot in there. 3:07:35.800 --> 3:07:36.039 Yeah. 3:07:36.280 --> 3:07:36.960 Here, how about this? 3:07:37.800 --> 3:07:37.920 Uh? 3:07:38.879 --> 3:07:40.680 I think I'm gonna have to join social media? 3:07:41.200 --> 3:07:41.720 Well are you? 3:07:41.840 --> 3:07:42.840 I think I'm gonna do it tomorrow? 3:07:43.240 --> 3:07:43.560 Let's go. 3:07:44.400 --> 3:07:47.480 Yeah, who's running Coach Belichick's Instagram? 3:07:48.560 --> 3:07:52.880 Yeah? Thank you forgetting it all. 3:07:52.920 --> 3:07:53.200 Maddie. 3:07:54.040 --> 3:07:54.680 What a game. 3:07:55.840 --> 3:07:58.920 The lighting has changed, audience, because we're still here forty 3:07:58.959 --> 3:07:59.959 eight hours after. 3:08:01.320 --> 3:08:04.360 Day has turned tonight, the night has turned back today. 3:08:04.760 --> 3:08:08.640 You don't become a rocket scientist by just not knowing everything. 3:08:08.760 --> 3:08:12.320 Great episode. Amazing man, He's he hung around later too, 3:08:12.480 --> 3:08:12.800 was great. 3:08:13.000 --> 3:08:14.840 Yeah, Maddy p is a good one. He's one of 3:08:14.959 --> 3:08:17.760 He's a good dude. We're smarter ball knowers. From from 3:08:17.840 --> 3:08:20.520 hearing that it's good to have defense perspective. It is. 3:08:21.200 --> 3:08:22.480 You know, if you don't know what a double mugg 3:08:22.560 --> 3:08:23.880 is by now, you didn't listen to this episode. You 3:08:23.920 --> 3:08:27.640 didn't listen to the goddamn episode. Okay, but Matty pe 3:08:27.800 --> 3:08:30.640 got us. You gotta explain it to kindergarten people. Okay. 3:08:30.640 --> 3:08:33.920 If you're gonna be in TV, you know you can't 3:08:33.959 --> 3:08:38.680 say double mug fire zone six. This that I mean, 3:08:38.760 --> 3:08:42.560 come on, buh. Part of what makes Maddy po safety Blitz. 3:08:43.160 --> 3:08:47.640 And that's been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe 3:08:47.680 --> 3:08:50.400 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen to your 3:08:50.440 --> 3:08:52.720 podcast comedy game you want us to do and remember, 3:08:52.959 --> 3:08:57.480 rate and review. Remember to follow Games of Names on YouTube, Instagram, 3:08:57.959 --> 3:09:01.680 x TikTok, and snapt. Leave a message on the old 3:09:01.800 --> 3:09:06.200 hotline at four two four two nine one two two 3:09:06.800 --> 3:09:10.960 nine zero. Those are always fun games and names. 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