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Speaker 2: the greatest game of all time, and on today's episode,

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Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Jellette Stadium, Foxboro, Massachusetts.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Games with Names.

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Speaker 1: Man at Thanks, I appreciate you having me. It's great

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Speaker 2: So I think it's been great content, and it's been

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, just coming from Philly, I think you

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Speaker 2: may not be four, but they set themselves up in

435
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 2: those third downs manageable. And then Kelsey gets to do

436
00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,200
Speaker 2: his shit. Then they got a couple of those draw

437
00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 2: fucking draw after Friday practice plays that they fucking do

438
00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,440
Speaker 2: in the red air like they do it, We've seen it.

439
00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,360
Speaker 2: And then you got Mahomes, which is death. And when

440
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 2: you have Mahomes, which has been the really craziest thing

441
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 2: for me because it's in a testament to Andy Reid

442
00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:51,600
Speaker 2: changing and evolving, because I remember specifically, anytime we played

443
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 2: the Chiefs and the Andy Reid team coaching staff, Bill

444
00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: would always say, this guy does not want to run

445
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 2: the ball. He wants to throw the ball. It's in

446
00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: his heart, he wants to throw the ball, which he's

447
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: kind of changed Andy's and he's unbelievable.

448
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,200
Speaker 1: Andy one hundred percent has died into the players he

449
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 1: has and how to win in late you know, late

450
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,280
Speaker 1: part of the year, and we all know control in

451
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 1: the game, and they do a great job of.

452
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:19,239
Speaker 2: It without a doubt, you know. And it's crazy how

453
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 2: Shanahan came from that West Coast, but he instead of

454
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: using those short passes, developed the run game. So he's

455
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Speaker 2: taking those.

456
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Speaker 1: Mike's a little different now. Mike Shanahan, he was at Oakland, okay,

457
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: and then when he got let go from Oakland, he

458
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 1: went to San Francisco, but George Seaffer was the head coach. Okay,

459
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: so he went learned the West Coast in San Francisco.

460
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: But all those other guys, remember home Gren, All those

461
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: guys left going to Green Bay, so that whole tree

462
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,359
Speaker 1: had kind of gone over there. So he had the

463
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,600
Speaker 1: principles of the West Coast. But then he died into

464
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 1: the run game. You know, his run game that he

465
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 1: owned that he developed at Denver was that zone. But

466
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Speaker 1: he had the change up a power run game. And

467
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 1: and really but that's what Kyle runs. And yeah, I

468
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 1: mean they that whole family, and Kyle's you know, Kyle's

469
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: evolved too, his own his own sense. But you know,

470
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Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan will never forget two thousand and six we

471
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Speaker 1: played Okay, see if you remember this one, I know

472
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 1: you weren't there yet. Two thousand and six we played

473
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 1: in what was called the China Bowl.

474
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: Look this way, I remember hearing about so we had

475
00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 2: to go to We were going to China.

476
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Speaker 1: We were going to be the precursor for the Olympics.

477
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Speaker 1: The Olympics were in two thousand and eight in China.

478
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: Two thousand and seven, we were supposed to go to

479
00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 1: China in the preseason. We're going to play Seattle. We're

480
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: gonna fly to Seattle, play Seattle. We were both teams.

481
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 1: Are gonna get on one plane fly to China, be

482
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Speaker 1: the precursor for the Olympics. And uh so the year

483
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: before that, in two thousand and six, we're playing Denver.

484
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,879
Speaker 1: We had the China Bowl. There's there's it's painted on

485
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: the field, you know that, all of it. We had

486
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 1: jerseys and Chinese business cards.

487
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 2: It was crazy. We were going to China.

488
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 1: So that game we played Denver, and I remember that

489
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Speaker 1: game specifically because we're playing Mike Shanahan and we're ready

490
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 1: for the zone team. We're ready for the zones. And

491
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: so all week I've got Brew and Junior and my linebackers,

492
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm telling him like, look, we're going

493
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,280
Speaker 1: to creep the line of scrimmage. You know, we used

494
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: to play base defense. You know, three four, we're gonna

495
00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:12,200
Speaker 1: move up to two and a half yards off the

496
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 1: line because we got to go press these guards right now.

497
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 1: We got to get them off of the defensive line.

498
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,719
Speaker 1: Vince and those guys tie and we got to get downhill. Well,

499
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 1: Mike went to the whole power gap, you know, duo

500
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 1: run game, and it was all down blocks.

501
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 2: What is power gap? Duo? So all kind of the.

502
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 1: Same deal, right, good, good question, good question the side.

503
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 2: Of the boys if you're getting.

504
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: In the same direction. Now we go to the gap,

505
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 1: the duo or the power double teams everywhere, double teams

506
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 1: all along. We're trying to move body.

507
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 2: So we're two on one.

508
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,719
Speaker 1: It's six versus three hundred, Yeah, six hundred verse three

509
00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:47,120
Speaker 1: moving the line of scrimmage.

510
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 2: Love it.

511
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: So instead of pressing the line of scrimmage, we actually

512
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,719
Speaker 1: linebacker wise, we got a stack. We got to get

513
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: over the top, pull the double teams off. Well, Junior,

514
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: you know who is kind of we were in the system.

515
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: He's running through and so we got gashed run game.

516
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: I mean I think we won, we gosh. And so

517
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: now we got to go in Monday to Bill's office

518
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: and we got to go through the tape and it

519
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: was not pretty. It was not good we had.

520
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,240
Speaker 2: It was a very long meeting.

521
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: I've got Junior say out Teddy, Bruce, Ki, myself, Bill

522
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: killing us because we couldn't fit the runs power it's

523
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 1: not zone. We practiced zone all week, you know, ready

524
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 1: for the Shanahan stretch and uh. I remember just walking

525
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 1: out and Junior looking at me. He's like, I don't

526
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever I don't think I've ever

527
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: been spoken to by a coach like that before.

528
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: That was that was the craziest meeting.

529
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: And Teddy's like, yeah, we just gotta get it right,

530
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's just it was just coaching. You know,

531
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: it was nothing new, but that was like the eye

532
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: opening moment I think for Junior, like Buddy, yeah, Buddy, Buddy,

533
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: because Junior had two different buddies, right, it was Buddy

534
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: and then Buddy Buddy depending if he new Year, if

535
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: he didn't know you, yeah, yeah, the other a couple

536
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: of different ones. But so that was the China Bowl.

537
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 2: That was Mike Shannon.

538
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: So we had the stretch, but they had the downhill

539
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: run too.

540
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,639
Speaker 2: So Manny p walk us through how you got into coaching.

541
00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: You're from New York, New York guy Italiano like, how

542
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,959
Speaker 2: does an Italian rocket scientist get into coaching?

543
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, good question, So you know, quick version of my story.

544
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,719
Speaker 1: I appreciate you asking. So born and raised in Syracuse,

545
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 1: New York, right in between Syracuse and Utica, and my

546
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 1: mom is from Long Island's a little bit time down

547
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: in Long Island and then up in Syracuse. Family, hardcore,

548
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: hardcore Italian, you know it is where it is, Northeast,

549
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 1: Northeast Italian. Played Division III college football once. I was

550
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 1: a center and guard center, played tight end in the

551
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: heavy packages in my young years in college. But uh,

552
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: senior starting right guard and then played center when you

553
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: was recruited as a center. So Division three is great

554
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: because it's everyone's five ten or six foot and just

555
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: whether you weigh one seventy or three hundred, you know,

556
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 1: that's it. But everybody's the same height and it's just

557
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: depending on how.

558
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: Much you weigh.

559
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 1: So we were Actually I went to a school called

560
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: RPI rinse Leer Engineers in school. Yeah, I wanted to

561
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: be you know, originally kind of grown up.

562
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 2: I want, you know, like so the mascots and an engineer.

563
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 1: It was an engineer. It actually was not like train

564
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't know, like engineer, Like, it

565
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: wasn't a pocket it wasn't even like a pocket protector.

566
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't even know what the hell it was. It

567
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 2: was just wow, I guess, uh, what's on the side

568
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:10,119
Speaker 2: of the helmet?

569
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: Uh, your number for a couple of years or an R.

570
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 1: It was just keep it simple.

571
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: I would put like the I would put like dag

572
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: room theory. Yeah, actually, you.

573
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: Know what the best one was, we really you know,

574
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: f equals force equals mass times acceleration, because that's what

575
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: we were doing.

576
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: That's exact, that's exactly what we're doing.

577
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: That would be would be a good one. Yeah, great engineering.

578
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: So you know, I wanted to play in the NFL

579
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: and do all that stuff, right, and then my dad

580
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: quickly sent me down and said, listen, you're Italian. You're

581
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna be about five to ten. You know, you're not athletic.

582
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: So the NFL thing is cool, but you're not going

583
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: to play.

584
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: So what what else?

585
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: I was a child of the eighties, fell in love

586
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: with top gun, wanted to be a military pilot, Like

587
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: I was all in, Like, you know, it's that's what

588
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:50,159
Speaker 1: I wanted to do.

589
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 2: Love love planes. Yeah, so I was.

590
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: Thinking about going to Annapolis West Point, the fly do

591
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: all that in the academies, you know, start junior or whatever.

592
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: We had pretty good high school team, so we're in

593
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: the championship game. So you start getting recruited, you know,

594
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: like everybody else.

595
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 2: That's good.

596
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: Even though it Division three, you're still getting recruited. You

597
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: can get money and go to good schools that maybe

598
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: you couldn't get into if he didn't have sports, you know.

599
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: So RPI, I knew of my uncle had gone there.

600
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: He was a really successful engineer, had a great ROTC

601
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: program at our RPI. So I wanted to play football

602
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: in college, and I just decided to go there as

603
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: an aeronautical engineer. Looked at what was called PLC, which

604
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: is platoon leadership for the Marine Corps at the time,

605
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: which they were looking for pilots, and kind of that

606
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: was gonna be my route. That's where I was going.

607
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 1: So design planes, fly him, all that deal, you know,

608
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: maybe in the military after school. And I love football

609
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: like all of us, you know, just love it, right,

610
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: the smell all of it blew out my shoulder.

611
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: My junior year.

612
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: The Marine Corps PFT.

613
00:26:58,680 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 2: Is pull ups.

614
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: You can't do pull ups with his shoulder. Let's wrecked.

615
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: Plus you know I'm five to ten away to seventy eight,

616
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: So that's not a not a good look. Really hard

617
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: to do, really hard to do pull ups. So luckily,

618
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: you know, you're kind of able to get out of

619
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: those programs. And I just, you know, rehab got ready

620
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: for my senior year. Played my senior year. We had

621
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: a really good team, graduated, and was going to go

622
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: back to school for my NBA so engineering Aeronautical engineering,

623
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: NBA kind of that route.

624
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: And so I ga'ed, So you want to design airplanes

625
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:29,439
Speaker 2: to sell them?

626
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, just put it all together, right, you know,

627
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: just capitalize it and go. So, uh, I went back

628
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: gaid coached coaching offensive line. I played offensive line, and

629
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: you know, I remember just the first like half of

630
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 1: the year going you just you miss it. You know,

631
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: you're like, man, I could still do this, like I

632
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 1: could still play, like you know, you're just you're kind

633
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: of like it's hard when the game's done. Like game's done,

634
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 1: it's done. It's like you're not putting the pads on,

635
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: we're not going out back in the backyard and you know,

636
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: playing the game. So but I remember, you know, it

637
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: was coaching offensive line. His kid, Jimmy Shirtzer, remember his

638
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: name was right guard. He was a sophomore and we're

639
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: getting ready to play coast guard academy. And I just

640
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: remember teaching him like, hey, look this is what gonna

641
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: happen on the goal line. They're gonna do this, make

642
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: this block, We're gonna score. It's gonna be really good.

643
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 1: And it happened in the game and we scored. And

644
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: the joy that I saw on his face by doing

645
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: something and achieving it just like flipped it flipped everything

646
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: for me. And I was like, that's the greatest thing

647
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: I've ever seen to watch somebody actually be able to

648
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: do what they work so hard to do, apply it

649
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: on the field, help a team win, and go that.

650
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: I just I got hooked. Now, my dad was a

651
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: he was a wrestling coach, you know, so I had

652
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: me and it was a teacher my mom. My mom

653
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: was a teacher also, so he'sing was definitely part of

654
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: in my you know, in my blood. But I just

655
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: I loved it, right, but I get, you know, I

656
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: get done with that year, and my mom.

657
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Was kind of like, hey, that.

658
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Just got that's probably gonna Hey, you really well, you

659
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: need to go use it because your dad and I

660
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: are like getting ready to retire, you know.

661
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: They were like, yeah, yeah, you're done sixty five, You're you're.

662
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: Eighteen year out. Let's go figure it out.

663
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: So I did it?

664
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Is it is?

665
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:12,239
Speaker 2: I did?

666
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Uh?

667
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: I didn't.

668
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: I left. I got an engineering job. I did engineering

669
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: for like two years. But it was the same thing.

670
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: You know.

671
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: It was getting towards the fall, start to get fresh

672
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: cut grass smell, and you start to just the sweat,

673
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: the lot all of it, you know, all that stuff

674
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: just hits you and you're like, man, I missed this

675
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: a lot. So coach high school football, you know. And

676
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: my my boss was great. He let me do that.

677
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: And I was volunteering. I was actually living in Syracuse.

678
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: I was volunteering at s U with the strength staff

679
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: at the time. And I don't know, I just I

680
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: didn't love my job at the time. My boss was great,

681
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: people worked with were great. I missed football. I interviewed

682
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: for a job with an electric boat. I had been

683
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: talking to him for a couple of years. It was

684
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: a I was offered a job as a nuclear maintenance

685
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: engineer for all submarines and aircraft Carrieres and I say Navy, right,

686
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: So a huge job, great job, unbelievable. You know summary,

687
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: planes are planes are great, Subs are super cool, so

688
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, diving into how those are designed and put

689
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: together and all that was amazing. So I get the job.

690
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm literally driving home from the job.

691
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: Phone rings.

692
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: It's one of my old college coaches. He was at

693
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: Amherst College and Western mass He's like, hey, He's like, look,

694
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: I got a D line job here, pays like five grand.

695
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: He's like, what do you think? He's like, you want

696
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: to get into coaching? And I was like, you know,

697
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: I just walked out of a building where they offered me.

698
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: Like you know, you're twenty nothing years old, right, I'd

699
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: been doing an interesting for a couple of years. I

700
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: had like a BMW a jeep and I'm.

701
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: Like, you know, I'm buying stuff like I don't know

702
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: what to do, right, you just you buy stuff.

703
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: So very good offer from that company, a good salary,

704
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: all the rest of it, like five thousand dollars a

705
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: year coaching job.

706
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: And I was like, yeah, yep, I want it. Let

707
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: me do it.

708
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it because if I don't do it

709
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: now I'll never I'm never gonna do it. And if

710
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna bet on anyone, bet on yourself, right.

711
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 2: So I called my mom.

712
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: She's like, how to go. I was like, it's great,

713
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: I got the job. She's like, that's awesome, that's amazing,

714
00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: Like how cool. I'm like, I'm not gonna take it.

715
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: She's like, what are you talking about. I'm like, I

716
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna go coach football. She's like what. I

717
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, they're gonna pay me like five grand.

718
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be great. I'm gonna go coach, you know,

719
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: defensive line at Amage College. And she was like, what

720
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We just you know, you

721
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 1: just graduated, got this. I said yeah. I said. If

722
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't do this now, I said, I'm never gonna

723
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: do it. So quit everything. Moved to Amherst. I coached

724
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: defensive line, was special teams, and I sold everything, you know,

725
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: because I just can't live them five thousand dollars a year,

726
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, but you're saving everything can So I sold

727
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: all my cars. I bought a bike bicycle, which is

728
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: great around January when you're riding your bike to work

729
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: up a hill, you know, at five o'clock in the morning.

730
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: Cars are whizzing by you. You're getting covered, and you're

731
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: just thinking, like if I just swerve into the road

732
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: and one of these dudes hits me, like all I

733
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: want is to ride, like just give me. I don't

734
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: even care, just just give me, Like I'm just just

735
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: drive me off up the hill because this like I'm

736
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: not a small dude. So like, you know, a mile

737
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: up a hill on a bicycle in January is not fun,

738
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: Like it's not fun at all. So yeah, yeah, coming

739
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: down was good because you were coming down was good.

740
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: We grew up in northern California, walked up hill both ways,

741
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: snow uphill.

742
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: Can I jump in here quick? I didn't realize you

743
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 4: coached at amhers Can you speak a little bit about

744
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: the Amherst Williams rivalry?

745
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, well absolutely, the little three right, and then Bill

746
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: obviously went to Wesley and so that was another thing

747
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: we talked about in the NESCAC. Huge rivalry the two schools.

748
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: I think this I think the story was the president

749
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: at Williams left. I think he took all the books

750
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: out of the library went to Amherst, created this huge

751
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: rivalry between the two teams. So I remember my first year,

752
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go, let's go be Union, and I

753
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: was like, I was so like just in the like,

754
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: this is my rival, it's a rival game. What's going

755
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: I was like Union, Union, Union, and you can see

756
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: all the guys like the fire what is there playing

757
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: Williams coach Like. So we actually won and it was

758
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: the first time we had beating them in like I

759
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: don't even know how long, four or five years, so

760
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: that was really cool. I actually want to finish in

761
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: my master's at UMass. Mark Whipple was the head coach there.

762
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: Don Brown was the defensive coordinator. They actually won the

763
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 1: national championship around the same time. So I left Amherst.

764
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: I went back to Syracuse. I was lucky enough coach

765
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: Pascalon he was the head coach, went back there, and

766
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: I coached at Syracuse George Leione and went back to offense.

767
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: So played offense, coached offense, went to Amherst, coach defense,

768
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: coach special teams, went back to Syracuse, coached offense, was

769
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: the offensive line with coach de Leone.

770
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: And really at that point, like you know, growing up

771
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 2: in that.

772
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: Area, for me, like that was it. There was no

773
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: pro sports. You know, it was Syracuse football was Syracuse

774
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: basketball back in the day in the old school Big East,

775
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: like that was unbelievable, the rivalies, the Carrier Dome, and

776
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: so going back to Syracuse for me was like amazing,

777
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: you know, and great people, great coaches. You know, was

778
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: there three years and coach p actually was gonna flip

779
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: me over. I was going to go back to defense.

780
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: I was going to coach linebackers there. And Brian Dabele calls.

781
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: Brian and I had played against each other in college.

782
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: He had went to U of R I was at

783
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: RPI and he said, hey, He's like, we're they were

784
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: in the middle of getting ready for the Super Bowl

785
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: run and all the stuff and the point. So this

786
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: is three three and he's like he's like hey, He's like, look,

787
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: we're going to have an opening here. You know, I'm

788
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: moving around, some people are moving around. He's like, you know,

789
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: do you want you know, you want to come out

790
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: an interview.

791
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: I was like that.

792
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: I hadn't even really thought about pro football at that point,

793
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I'm like let me, you know,

794
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: let me go check this out. You know. My draw

795
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: out of the game originally was I felt, you know,

796
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: probably the same in college as a college coach. My

797
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: college coaches were incredibly influential in my life. Yeah, I

798
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: just felt college I could really really help, yeah, really

799
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: help these you know help. I just wanted to help,

800
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, I just want to help kids and help

801
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: them become you know, young adults, young men. So I

802
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: thought college was it. So I go and interview and

803
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: there was Syracuse guys at New England, you know, Ivan Fears,

804
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: Syracuse guy, Mike Wosick was there.

805
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: Guy.

806
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: So I go in. I interviewed Dable obviously, Josh Charlie

807
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: was the offensive coordinator. I was interviewing for offensive position

808
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: with those guys helping Dante, you know, Scar, helping with

809
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: the on line, because that's what I was doing at

810
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: Cracuse three hours with Bill, you know, going back and

811
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 1: forth playing the you know, football chess game, which he's

812
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: very good at.

813
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: But what is that? How does that? What is football?

814
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 2: What do you Bill grilling young?

815
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: He wanted to really figure out how did I think,

816
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,320
Speaker 1: how did that problem solve? And I think that's what

817
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: he was looking for in the job, which you know

818
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 1: I did a pretty good job of, you know, And

819
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: after that.

820
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: They like what's a question?

821
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: Like, uh, it's just stuff that's going to be really

822
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: common to us.

823
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: Now, Okay, you're sitting there, here we go, Okay, here

824
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: we go. What are you going to call in a

825
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,359
Speaker 2: third and three situation? Your fucking head set goes out

826
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, your middle line.

827
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: Right now, thirteen years old watching the show, like, how

828
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: is that?

829
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: Is that a situation he's asking you?

830
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: Or is it?

831
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: Like we would we talked a lot about.

832
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: We were definitely we were doing Pythagoram theorem, and now

833
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: we were talking about, hey, here's a formation. This is

834
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: what the defense did. Why do you think the defense

835
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 1: did that? You know, things like which you would know

836
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: is like a crunch call, right, so we could call

837
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: cover two, but based on formation, you could bring the

838
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: corner off the edge because it was a short side

839
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: or nubside on the back side. And now it looks

840
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: like a pressure. So a lot of people are gonna say, oh, no,

841
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 1: they called a pressure here, but they didn't. It's just

842
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: a formation adjustment to the defense. So nice split again,

843
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: nicely split to the backside. So things like that of

844
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: just trying to see like how did you see the game?

845
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: How did you process, how do you problem solve? Of course,

846
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: like you know, there's the grunt work that we have

847
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: to do, the padding which is which was brutal. But

848
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: you know all of us that went in there as

849
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: young coaches, right, So the young guys that got there

850
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: this you know, basically within a year or two of

851
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: each other. Was Dable, Josh Casario, myself now again Dable

852
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: and Josh started on defense. I started on offense. Cory

853
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Onnglin was on depress when I got and then we flipped.

854
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: Everybody flipped. Dable came over, Josh came over. Well, I

855
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: told I took flow from special teams. I had Brian Ferrence.

856
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: He went to offense.

857
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: He started with me.

858
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: He was one of my QC's.

859
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: It was my QC. Here was that when he started.

860
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: He started on defense and then we switched before the

861
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: season he went over all titands yep, but it was

862
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: all we were just you know, learning the game. So

863
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: get the job offered from New England and basically never

864
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: left like that was it? Like I went to the interview,

865
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: packed my car, ad a car. At that point I

866
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: bought another car which was good, nice and yeah, I

867
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: think I went from five thousand a year too. I

868
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: think Coach p paid me, like I don't know.

869
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 2: If it was seventeen, it might have been seventeen.

870
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was like, I'm getting the cars right,

871
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: this is you know you got, I can afford I

872
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: can afford lunch. You know you do though, Like and coaches,

873
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 1: you know, they're great. Older coaches would be like, hey,

874
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: I need you to go get lunch. Here's you know,

875
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: twenty bucks. Like here's twenty bucks, you know, go get

876
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: a sandwich. And you'd come back and you'd be like,

877
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: get the sandwich wherever you get to change. He's like,

878
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: don't don't ever give me the change. And he was

879
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: like okay, So like they would you know.

880
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy used to do that to me. That's a

881
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 2: rookie because I was a seventh rounder that except twenty bucks,

882
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: it would be like an eight hundred dollars order, yeah,

883
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 2: for fucking right before travel. But he give me the money.

884
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: The travel cash was great travel. Cas know, if you

885
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: were as you were a young co young player, you

886
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: know you had the older.

887
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 2: Guys per diem take this perdice yet, but our per diem.

888
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: Was like the little lesson everybody else.

889
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like thirty six bucks. I remember when

890
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: I first got there was thirty six bucks. Do you

891
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 2: know what we used to do with the pa diem?

892
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: Were you there when? Yeah? The plane used to we'll

893
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: be in the plane.

894
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 5: Yeah.

895
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: It was As a young coach, I was like, please win, please,

896
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: I need this. This is like the lights are being

897
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: turned off so my apartment. If I don't win, the

898
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: raft on the plane.

899
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 2: So everyone would put there all their money and you'd

900
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: get and you put your initial on it, and you

901
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 2: put it in this bag and one of the stewardess

902
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,319
Speaker 2: she'd go out and she'd pull it out, or she'd

903
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: pull out. The first one gets his money back, so

904
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 2: the person would get the money back, and then the

905
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: second one would take the whole bag. Oh you want

906
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: to be second all day, all day? You ever win, listen,

907
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: I would take it.

908
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: I would take either one because I couldn't afford to

909
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: lose the thirty six dollars.

910
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: I was like, I was done, and you cannot put

911
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: it in. By the time I got out of.

912
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: About sixty four, Yeah, went up every a couple of

913
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: years if I lost that per diem, Like I wasn't

914
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 1: gonna be able to leave the facility because gas had

915
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: to stay in my car.

916
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: I was leaving it. Coaches they got nothing. They were

917
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 2: so broke, broke.

918
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever won.

919
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 2: Damn.

920
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: I know.

921
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 2: It's like the power even put mine in y P.

922
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: I mean, so in the end you're like you won.

923
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. We were good.

924
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: Even when I was older and I had money, I

925
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: still didn't put it in. But yeah, so that was it.

926
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: I got to New England and and just uh. I

927
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: tried to learn as much as I could.

928
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: You know.

929
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: I was on offense obviously for two years with scar Uh.

930
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 1: And then Bill came and he's like, hey, I'm gonna

931
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: flip you over. You're in coaching linebackers side the ball.

932
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, this is this is gonna

933
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: be It's gonna be good.

934
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Bill clearly did his homework on you though.

935
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, I did want to. He worked

936
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 2: on submarines. I'm a navy guy. He's he's a smart guy.

937
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 2: I'm a smart guy.

938
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: So we had the Nescac little tree AMers William.

939
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: Beginning last before we move on rocket science ship.

940
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 1: All my friends are actually rocket scientists. Get so pissed.

941
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 2: Why when people say that because like, bro, you didn't

942
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 2: even do this, don't steal valor heuronautical engineering ship. How

943
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: does rocket fuel burn in space without oxygen?

944
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Great? Great question, We're gonna cut this out of the

945
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,240
Speaker 1: entire episode. It doesn't it doesn't need oxygen.

946
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: It doesn't need oxygen. But I don't know.

947
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text somebody on that one, killing me right now?

948
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: What about why are why are can we go through

949
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: like lift theories of Lyft of like you know Colvis

950
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 1: of Lyft on a plane, Like I actually was awake

951
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: on something.

952
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, it was so funny. Listen, I played football too,

953
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: Like I was like, what do we remember?

954
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: Listen, here's the whole thing. I went to RPI, the

955
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: valedictorian of my high school. She went to r P I.

956
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: I sat right next to her, super smart. I was like,

957
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: I need a lot of help here. Like we're you know,

958
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: the rest of my football buddies are like passed out

959
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: of there. They're taking like, you know, the my my

960
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: electives in school. These were my electives. So like my

961
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: main courses were like theory of flight, thermo dynamics one,

962
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: thermo dynamics two, Egan values, eigenvalues, you know, mathematic, fluid mechanics,

963
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I was like, I need a I

964
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: need like a can I get like an elective and not.

965
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to say easy, but I'm just dynamics one,

966
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: Thermo dynamics two. I was like, I'm gonna take econ microeconomics, macronomics.

967
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: Those are my classes. I was like, okay, I just

968
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: need a couple of these, Like those are your electives?

969
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: What was your course?

970
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: Lad?

971
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: At Kent State?

972
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: I had African American Studies read Oh, I had a

973
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 2: sex edge class I got. I did a sexual human

974
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: sexuality class. It was awesome, nice, and then I had

975
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 2: a lot of bunch of business classes. When we had

976
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 2: Ernie on the show, we were like, oh wow, Ernie

977
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:53,919
Speaker 2: loves that old academic. Ernie's one of the great things Ernie.

978
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: You know, Ernie obviously loves football like we do. So

979
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: I go to dinner at her Ernie's one night, I

980
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: go to see my wife and Ernie lives in an

981
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 1: amazing cool old.

982
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 2: House, years old parents living. Yeah, exactly, it's been in

983
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: his family for.

984
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: Built a library in the attic of this thing that

985
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: is the coolest historical like playbooks, Like I was like, Ernie,

986
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: let me learn about the flex defense. He's like, Boom,

987
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: grabs the book, pulls it out. Here's the Dallas flex defense.

988
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: You know, Randy White, the whole deal. And we're going

989
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: like I was like hours up there. I was like, Okay,

990
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: let me give me the whatever, orange crush, give me

991
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: the purple people waters. And it's like we're pulling playbooks off.

992
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: So that to me, I love Ernie, Like that was

993
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: the best. Like and again I walked I walked by

994
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: his office every day and I was like, Ernie, what

995
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: are we talking about today, Let's learn, let's talk, let's

996
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: We'd go back and forth and uh.

997
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: What was the best Ernie nugget? Because I always ask

998
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 2: because I was always I always used to use Ernie

999
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: because like people were like scared of him, like what

1000
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: does this guy do? He's eating the tomato by himself,

1001
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 2: Like who is this guy? And I would go up,

1002
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 2: what's what's the give me a little something on the punter?

1003
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: What's good? He's like, well, you know he does this,

1004
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: it's gonna arrows.

1005
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: Like we're just so. My wife and I were going

1006
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: to Italy. We were going for three weeks and he

1007
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: he loves to travel Yeah, loves to travel and he's

1008
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: been everywhere, and so he got all excited to tell

1009
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: me about a race called the Palio in Siena. You

1010
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: look it up, bro, you gotta go. This is the

1011
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: most insane thing. We've been to a lot of insane things.

1012
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: This was insane. So it happens twice a year. I

1013
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: think it was in July.

1014
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: We're going to July.

1015
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: So he tells me he's all excited about the Polio.

1016
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: A whole different story. That was crazy. It's a horse race.

1017
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: It's literally, I would say a nice way because it's

1018
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: my people, but it's it's like the it's the village

1019
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: idiot on the village horse.

1020
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: I swear to you.

1021
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: It's like the most amazing thing. It's the most corrupt,

1022
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: I've sad video, unbelievable. And it's in the center piazza

1023
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: in Siena. But the pageantry, the the just all the

1024
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: villages come out to different sections. It's amazing. It's like majestic.

1025
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: And Ernie had he's the one that told me about this,

1026
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: and he had gone. So he had also told me

1027
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: that he Ernie loves lions like he loves line. So

1028
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 1: he told me so everywhere I went in Italy. You

1029
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: know there's like lionheads, you know, from the Roman days

1030
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. So my wife took pictures of

1031
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 1: all the lion heads and we made them a book,

1032
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: like a table book of all the lion heads in Italy.

1033
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: And he was like it was just you know, like

1034
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: you see that other side, like get him back. So

1035
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: it was pretty cool.

1036
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, there it is. It's pobably, dude, we are.

1037
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 2: We are.

1038
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: So I'm in the middle, like see that craziness in

1039
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: the middle. So we get there and of course, like

1040
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: it's one of those things like see all the people

1041
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 1: sitting in the balcony, like all those people up there.

1042
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: So I'm I'm at the front desk in Siena. The

1043
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: resort was staying. I'm like, hey, can I get tickets?

1044
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,359
Speaker 1: Like how do you like the And they called them

1045
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, they're like two thousand whatever it was at

1046
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 1: the time, Like I ticket in somebody's living room like

1047
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: selling bucks. Like I'm like I don't think we're doing that.

1048
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: Sit in somebody's living room. They're like we can sit

1049
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: in the middle. It's free. And I was like okay,

1050
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: well free, okay, Like hey babe, come on we're going

1051
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: this is gonna be great. So we see the horse

1052
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 1: with no rider. Bro, wait till I tell you this story.

1053
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: So this is the one we went to it.

1054
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: So I'm probably in this picture somewhere. I'm telling you,

1055
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna find me. So it is a one hundred

1056
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: and nine degrees. We're on cobblestone. Once you're in there,

1057
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: you cannot leave. They close you in there, so no

1058
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: bathroom eight hours. My wife's like, what are we doing right,

1059
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, because it's.

1060
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: All real fun. It's all real fun when you go

1061
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: in there at like nine in the morning. But by

1062
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: five pm, she's like, what this is sandy.

1063
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: They'll say yeah, and you can't get drinks, like, you

1064
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: can't get anything, and everybody in there. What happened was

1065
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: because it was empty.

1066
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 2: I was like, this is great.

1067
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: We were right by the finish line. We don't realize

1068
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: is that they parade everybody through all of the villages

1069
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: fill in their sections. So now you're in the middle

1070
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: of like crazy people that actually have a lot of

1071
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: money on these horses and they're betting and all the

1072
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: rest of this stuff. So it's three laps. So it

1073
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: takes off in the first last nuts and it's like sand.

1074
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: They put sand on cobblestone, so that's real good, right,

1075
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: And the horses are slipping. The horse with no rider,

1076
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: this dude comes around the corner and like launches his

1077
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 1: rider into the crowd. So people just get wiped out

1078
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: by the guy. The horse bangs into the side, so

1079
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: he starts running because he's just running.

1080
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: So he starts running with the rest of the horses.

1081
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: He gets lapped too, he stops.

1082
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: Now he's standing in perpendicular as the rest of the

1083
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: horses are coming out, like this is like bowling. This

1084
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: is gonna be amazing, right, So all the horses scattered.

1085
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: Dudes get thrown off. The guys are like trying to avoid.

1086
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: Now the horse starts running the opposite direction. So now

1087
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: here comes on the third lap, everybody's running. They're running

1088
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: at each other. I'm like, this is the most amazing

1089
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: thing I've ever seen. So now the two lead horses

1090
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: get around and I'm looking and the guy in the

1091
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: orange who won, he is whipping he and the guy

1092
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: in the red and black were the two. They're whipping

1093
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: each other's horses to try to like get him. Like

1094
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: they're not they're like hit it was the craziest. It

1095
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,160
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

1096
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: I want to see this race in Louisiana. I was

1097
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 2: gonna say, Kentucky Derby take notes. That is so cool.

1098
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 2: So that was Ernie.

1099
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: Ernie gave me the polio.

1100
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: Freaking Ernie. When when Ernie so we had him out

1101
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: here before he came out, he he looked at my

1102
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 2: address and he read up on the development of where

1103
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: I live in Santa mon A, Hysteria in l A. Yeah,

1104
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: and we took about the dinner. He's like, he's like

1105
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: wat yeah. It is like he's just so Ernie. I

1106
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, this guy is so crazy. Dude.

1107
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 5: Getting to share a beer with Ernie at Hillstone's bucket

1108
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 5: list item it was unreal.

1109
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: He ordered the ribs, ribs, let's go back to a round.

1110
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: Ernie falling down when we told the story, bro, he

1111
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: looked like I literally thought he was dead. And you know,

1112
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 1: like it was Thursday, right, so Thursday of Super Bowl

1113
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: week the families were coming in. So his wife was

1114
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: coming in and I remember I'm like, hey, Ernie, Ernie

1115
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: had to go stitches, like he split his head open.

1116
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's okay, you know, and it's like she

1117
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: just gets off a plaint. She's like what She's like,

1118
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, trip fell backwards, split his side open.

1119
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: And it's all bandaged. Doesn't look good, but he's all right,

1120
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: have you got a concussion?

1121
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1122
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 2: Probably, you know, but he he's on the product. But

1123
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 2: he coached her. There was nobody at the rest of

1124
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: practice that was going to go light because it was like,

1125
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: Ernie just got back out here.

1126
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: He put his hooto like, I think we can finish

1127
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: our profusely.

1128
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: It looked like it looked like carries carry his blood

1129
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: everywhere Ernie. And then then twenty five minutes later we're

1130
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: all we go through probably and then you see Ernie's

1131
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 2: coming out, stumbling out and got fucking it looks like

1132
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: a mummy. You get that turkey shatter transplant.

1133
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: Literally looked like the Revolutionary I was like, yeah, I

1134
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: was like, this is the most amazing thing I've ever

1135
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:41,839
Speaker 1: seen right here.

1136
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: Let's go back to around January twenty second, twenty twelve,

1137
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: that's when the game took place, and we like to

1138
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: go and talk about what was going on outside.

1139
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: If you can put whatever you want as far as

1140
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: what was going on in the real world. I have

1141
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: no idea like I have.

1142
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: You could like contra band like Mark Wilberg, listen I.

1143
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Like now currently my wife she calls me like in

1144
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: Sino man. She's like, I'm like, I don't know how

1145
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: to use the dishwash, Like I don't know how to

1146
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 1: do anything like that. If it's wasn't in that building,

1147
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm out.

1148
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: You don't listen to music while you're game planning by

1149
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: yourself in the facility.

1150
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: Actually all used to be in the room. We would

1151
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: listen to music.

1152
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: Music. What was on the list? I mean for us,

1153
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 2: it would be probably a lot of Pearl Jam, Pearl Jam?

1154
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 3: Is it?

1155
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 2: Bon Jovi? Like the show Ship, I mean we love

1156
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: so Bill was out there bon Jovi.

1157
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: I'm a big Buffett guy, So Jimmy Buffett, that's the

1158
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: last mango that those are my guys. Jimmy was great.

1159
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: We played a lot of comedy too, like just stand

1160
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: up comedians just because you needed something going now. There

1161
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: was also a lot of comedy probably going on in

1162
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: the room. We would sit in the staff room late,

1163
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, whether it was Bowyer and Flow and myself.

1164
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 2: Who had the ox cord, who was putting the music on.

1165
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 2: Who had the playlist?

1166
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: It probably changed, It probably changed. It would probably be

1167
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: then I'd be like, you know, flow, let's get some

1168
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: music or Lawyer's get some music on or whatever it was.

1169
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: Bed would come in or a lot of times, you know,

1170
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: would be fun in the fall too World Series, you know,

1171
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 1: some sort of championship game. So it would be late

1172
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: in October, you know, beat because he was hardcore and baseball.

1173
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: He'd be out there basically crying or screaming based on

1174
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 1: whichever way the game was going, which was awesome.

1175
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: The late Night's coaching.

1176
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: As much as it sucked being away from your family thing,

1177
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: it was fun because you're just hanging doing football.

1178
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 2: Who's some of your favorite Yeah, that's a great question.

1179
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: I think there's like classics for me. You know, obviously

1180
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 1: you go back to like Robin Williams. I think Robin

1181
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: Williams at the met It was George Carlin at Carnegie Hall.

1182
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy when he had the red suit on.

1183
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: That was delirious.

1184
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: Yep, that was a classic one. I got really into

1185
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: Sebastian men. But you know who the best guy that

1186
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 1: got me into all that stuff? Though you're gonna have

1187
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: to guess this one of my favorite all time people

1188
00:50:58,880 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: to be around.

1189
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 2: Is he a coach?

1190
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: You know, he was a special teams linebacker.

1191
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 2: Special teams Dane Fletcher.

1192
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: I loved Dane Fletchers talk to me the other day.

1193
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 1: I loved Dane same time Dane Fletcher and this guy.

1194
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: So we had tradition in the defensive room. It was,

1195
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, so pizza Friday, pizza. So pizza Friday was

1196
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: a big thing. That was a big Dante thing when

1197
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: I was on offense. And Pizza Friday the whole idea

1198
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 1: and why Ted struggled with this, right, And remember Ted's

1199
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: first shout to tell the Ted story toist was he

1200
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: came in right. So that was our third that was

1201
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: our fourth. Right, So Joanne was first, then we had

1202
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: guy was there for like a cup of coffee, and

1203
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: then Joel took over for him and Ted right, So,

1204
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: but we always had Pizza Friday. And the idea with

1205
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: Pizza Friday was this, It wasn't about the pizza, It

1206
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: was about the mentality. Right. So when you were in

1207
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:49,839
Speaker 1: school and you went to school, pizza on Friday, right, Well, okay,

1208
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 1: Friday's gonna be a good day because.

1209
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 2: You went in.

1210
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: It was actually it was the only meal that was

1211
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: actually only good meal of school meal that you actually

1212
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,799
Speaker 1: buy and eat Pizza Friday. But the idea for us,

1213
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: and again this back in the day four got crazy,

1214
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: like it got crazy in New England, but literally because

1215
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: I had to do the practice schedules so I would.

1216
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: I remember, people were amazed I figured out how to

1217
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: paste like it was Dominoes and KFC, like that's what

1218
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: we had. It was Dominoes and KFC and PA some

1219
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: of the practice schedules, thank god.

1220
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: But it was all right.

1221
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: The work week is, we're coming to the end. It's

1222
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: all positive. Let's not be yelling and screaming today. Let's

1223
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: go out and have a good prem Let's feel. Yeah,

1224
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,319
Speaker 1: let's feel. Let's have a good mental day. Like it's

1225
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 1: pizza Friday. Everybody'd be good. Now, Scar, if you remember,

1226
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: he'd like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. Don't make because Scar

1227
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: had the other side that could come out real quick,

1228
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: and he'd be like, don't ruin Pizza Friday. I'm not

1229
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 1: yelling today, don't get me so. And the defensive side

1230
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 1: of the ball. Not only Pizza Friday, but we used

1231
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: to have videos on Friday. Ny videos.

1232
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: So originally started out as like highlights. We started off

1233
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: with like high school highlights.

1234
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: You know it'd be it'd be good because you had

1235
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 1: some legit dudes at a high school film and then

1236
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: you'd have like, you know whatever, Rob Ryan's highlight of

1237
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: his high so funny stuff. But then it turned into like, okay, hey,

1238
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: we need some comedy. And it was always usually the

1239
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: QC's job to get a tape and credit quality control,

1240
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: young coach, and it better be funny because these guys

1241
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: we've been yelling and screaming all week. We need something

1242
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 1: funny before we go on the field. And Vince was

1243
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: the best because Vince, we didn't leave. I love love Vince, right,

1244
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: so Vince wouldn't leave until we showed the video. Even

1245
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: though Scottio had a meeting coming in, Vince like it

1246
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: didn't matter, and like Vince wasn't leaving, the next meeting

1247
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 1: wasn't starting, and he wanted something funny. Well, Nico Kuda

1248
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: Viti's funny comes in and Nico is one of the funniest, best, great.

1249
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 2: Heart of human being, who is the what did they

1250
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 2: call it in the in the Italian world levantier or something.

1251
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 1: Okay, killing me right now?

1252
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 2: So you always calling levantier though, So Nico.

1253
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: Would bring in the videos and he like, did he

1254
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: take this was like the one like I don't think

1255
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: he knew any of the defensive assignments, but he nailed Friday.

1256
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: We would be laughing at the curb he had me,

1257
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 2: He had me dying. He loves because that's kind of

1258
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: Nico's humor too.

1259
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,879
Speaker 1: Because you know, Chicago Italian stuff. Nico was great.

1260
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 2: But in the sports route of twenty eleven and twenty twelve,

1261
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 2: as a sports guy, you probably know that the Giants

1262
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. That was a bad one. Rogers

1263
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 2: won in I'll tell you what though.

1264
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: You know what the Giants Super Bowl taught everybody if

1265
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: you're paying close attention situational football. What situation did I

1266
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 1: have to execute in that game to give us a chance?

1267
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:35,359
Speaker 1: This was this was tough.

1268
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 2: Now, that was the situation. Rolex Rox Rolex, nice job,

1269
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 2: nice job.

1270
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: So you know what happened with that? So at the

1271
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: end of the Super Bowl, what happens is you know

1272
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: you got the.

1273
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 2: Coachha player points.

1274
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: Time is more important than points exactly, So within the

1275
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 1: two minutes or within three minutes at the end of

1276
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, all the sideline media turns on, all

1277
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: the cameras, all this stuff, so everything turns on. The

1278
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:03,359
Speaker 1: headsets went down, and there was no stopping at that point,

1279
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 1: and I just remember, you know, May and those guys

1280
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: on the field, it's they're going in and it was like,

1281
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is Rolex and I just hit

1282
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: him with the set. It was like, hit him with

1283
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: the signal. There's no time to talk about it. I'm

1284
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: not talking through the helmet. It was like the one

1285
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: signal and everybody knew what to do. It's a horrible game,

1286
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: but I'm reaching for anything positive there.

1287
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, we made up for it. N C two

1288
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 2: A champion Alabama.

1289
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's easy because really I think there was

1290
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: a stretch in there where we just rotated every other year.

1291
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: Every other year he won or we won, and it

1292
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: was back and forth. I mean this was the second

1293
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 2: at Bama. Second. Yeah, you know coach saban at all?

1294
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: How was he?

1295
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: He's great. Meet him, He's actually great, and him and

1296
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: Bill together are great. Uh, Nick's knicks. Really, he's been

1297
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: really good to me, Like I was. I was a

1298
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: keynote speaker at their clinic one year. Yeah, when you know,

1299
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: I was coaching in Detroit, had a couple of coaches.

1300
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 1: He would call and we'd ask about guys. He always

1301
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, it was Nick was amazing, you know, getting.

1302
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 2: Ready for the draft.

1303
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 1: It's obviously hard, right, so you're we're calling college coaches,

1304
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: we're obviously there. We'd go there and spend a lot

1305
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 1: of time there, and you know, you could call him

1306
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: like the day of the draft, day before the draft

1307
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, all right, Nick, real quick, what

1308
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: do you think? And he would whatever he's doing, he

1309
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: would tell you he was really awesome. The thing, the

1310
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:21,439
Speaker 1: funniest thing about Alabama was it was more like will

1311
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 1: you know muss Champ and like Kirby, who are the

1312
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: defensive coordinators there? And that was the defensive coordinat obviously

1313
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: in New England, And like all of a sudden, like

1314
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: Bill and Nick would get together and they'd have a

1315
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: conversation and all of a sudden, like Kirby called me

1316
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, listen, what what is this

1317
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: defense you're running? Because like our two head guys got

1318
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: together and he's trying to like what you know, or

1319
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: Bill'll be like, hey, call will call Kirby. They've got this,

1320
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, sonic boom whatever. He's like, we got to

1321
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 1: put that on, Like, could you just stop talking to

1322
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: because it was more work for us, you know, but

1323
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 1: so we so we the three of us kind of

1324
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: laugh all the time about that because you know, it's

1325
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 1: just that's all part of the tree. You know, we're

1326
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: on that tree.

1327
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm such a nick Saban fan. I don't I think

1328
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: I were elbows just because of I think he was

1329
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 2: at a facility of one of our practices or something.

1330
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: Time he went to Kent State. Ye played at Kent State.

1331
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 2: And I don't know, but I've heard through their gate Brian.

1332
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 2: I could be completely wrong, but I heard he's our

1333
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: biggest booster. He gives our school the most money.

1334
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt that.

1335
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: You know. That's fucking cool. He sts a huge heart, Yeah,

1336
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: huge heart coaches. So I'm in Alabama. That's why I

1337
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: always root for Alabama. Well, nothingmore, but I was always

1338
00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 2: saving Fanny's gold flash. We'll be right back after this

1339
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 2: quick break, Jackie. Let's break down this game. Let's start

1340
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: with the New England Patriots and set the stage, Bubbs.

1341
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 2: All right, Let's start with these with these Pats thirteen

1342
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: and three.

1343
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 5: This is of course head coach Bill Belichick. I Leo

1344
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 5: run the offense. Maddy p was the primary defensive play

1345
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 5: caller this year.

1346
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 2: Really great, that's great.

1347
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: Bill in the defensive coordinator since twenty ten.

1348
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 2: Primary defense college.

1349
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: I was the high I was the was a defensive coordinator,

1350
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: was the lowest paid outside line baer coachure what was

1351
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: in my contrac was like ridiculous.

1352
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 2: Did you ask him on the three hour car ride? Why?

1353
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 5: Why that?

1354
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 2: It was always the case?

1355
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I know why we did it. As a

1356
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: young coordinator, Josh when he came over to offense. So

1357
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: I was on offense, right, Charlie Leaves, he goes Notre

1358
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Dame Josh on offense, he's calling plays. You know myself

1359
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: on defense twenty ten when I started running the defense.

1360
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien when he started running the offense. So the

1361
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: thing was his young coordinators in the league. Honestly, Bill

1362
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: was just trying to protect us. He was trying to

1363
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: protect us as play callers, to allow us to learn

1364
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 1: how to be a play caller, learn how to run

1365
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 1: those meetings, run the defense, run the offense without having

1366
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: the direct even though we did scrutiny of everybody else.

1367
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 2: It actually really I've always wondered that. So what happened was,

1368
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 2: you know, I was so.

1369
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: My first year is a play caller. So again, boy

1370
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,560
Speaker 1: was was with me the whole run, you know. And

1371
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: in twenty ten ten I coached linebackers. I was coordinated

1372
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: the defense called the defense. Pat Graham was left, so

1373
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:12,520
Speaker 1: I coached with that Blazzero damp Yeah. Yeah, So I

1374
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: was a linebackers coach, you know, the coordinator, and Pat

1375
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: Graham was my QC.

1376
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 2: So defensive coordinator for the Raiders right now.

1377
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: So after one year, I said to Bill, because look,

1378
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: it was all about the way Josh and Brian and

1379
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: I were raised in the system was you know, Romeo

1380
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: was the defensive coordinator, Charlie was the offensive coordinator, and

1381
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 1: we were raised to develop our own That's the that's

1382
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: been the philosophy of New England, and that is what

1383
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 1: he wanted to do when he got there. And that

1384
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: was Charlie and Rack and the offensive coaches that were

1385
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: or the defensive coaches. They taught us how to be coaches.

1386
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 1: So you know, you q seed, you're a young coach

1387
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: and then you became a coach, you know, and that

1388
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 1: allowed to be able to coach the team. So the

1389
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 1: philosophy was, look, the coaches coach the players, you know,

1390
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: the coordinators coached the coaches, and the head coach coach

1391
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: the team.

1392
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 2: That's everybody.

1393
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:05,479
Speaker 1: So that is that's how it worked. And so again

1394
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: we were trying to raise our own So after a

1395
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: year twenty ten past the QC, you know, Flow, who

1396
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: I knew was great coach, going to be a great coach,

1397
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: and he was in special teams and Flow again when

1398
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: I got their, Flow was on you know, he had

1399
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: gotten there too.

1400
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: He was the scouting department, you know, and then he

1401
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: came over.

1402
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: So I wanted Flow in defense, so I said, Bill,

1403
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I go, let's move Josh. You know

1404
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: boyer he was going to coach corners, so let him

1405
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: coach corners. I'll coach the safeties. Let's make Pat the

1406
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: linebackers coach, and let's get Flow over here as the QC.

1407
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: So that was like the plan for that year, and

1408
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: it was good for me to get in the back

1409
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: end again. And that's you know, really what Bill did too.

1410
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: Build did this similar thing in his coaching career when

1411
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: he was coming up. He had hired a guy that

1412
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: was linebacker guy, so he moved from linebackers to safeties

1413
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: and coached the back end. So all of that was

1414
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: part of our training well, just because you got to

1415
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: learn all the coverages right and get all that married.

1416
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: And when you coach the linebackers, obviously you're coaching all

1417
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: of it. You know, you got to coach the fronts,

1418
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 1: the run fits, the coverage, all that stuff, but then

1419
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: to get into the intricacies of the coverage stuff and

1420
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: be able to develop those guys. And we were, you know, again,

1421
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: this was a transitional time for us defensively. The old

1422
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: heads had all retired and moved on.

1423
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 2: Thomas Sierra was gone. This was the start of the

1424
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 2: new I would say then, was like the start of

1425
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 2: the real news.

1426
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: We'd say, the the the area that was gone was

1427
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: more of like the Bruskies, the Rabels, the making and

1428
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: all those guys stage more like it was more like

1429
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: Mayo was our holdover. So I drafted him and that

1430
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: was eight you know, I told him, sit in the room,

1431
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:36,840
Speaker 1: be quiet, just learn, you know which he was amazing

1432
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: defensive player of the year, and so Mayo found Nikovic.

1433
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: He was the holdover and then the rest of it was,

1434
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: you know, we were piecemealing, you know, Pierre Woods, Eric

1435
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: Alexander who I heard from the other day, which was great,

1436
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: you know, yees, so cool, all those guys. So this

1437
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: was the point where okay, like I was starting to

1438
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: rebuild the secondary, drafted, Devin had Pat there were all

1439
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: the young guys that we were bringing in to try

1440
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 1: to get them rolling. So I moved the safest for

1441
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: the year. The next year, again, Flow is the QC

1442
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 1: I said about I said, look, just let me I'll

1443
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: just do coordinate the defense. So I don't care whatever

1444
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: title you want to get me out. I don't care

1445
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 1: about titles.

1446
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll coordinate the defense.

1447
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: But let's move Flow the safeties. Let's start his progression

1448
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and then we'll get the next QC.

1449
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 1: So it was always that was the idea was I

1450
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 1: was always trying to I'll move positions. I don't care

1451
01:02:26,040 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: because't what I'm doing is gonna change. But how do

1452
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: we keep moving the young guys up? Yeah, you know,

1453
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 1: And that's what we did defense. And then eventually I

1454
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: got stev B and then Stevie you know, he was

1455
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: my QC and then you know, Mike and Brian and

1456
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: kind of just rolled through. I got bad who came

1457
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: in finally and was coaching the D line and stuff.

1458
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: So what did b d fucking have a great little

1459
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: thing going? Well, yeah, he went won three Super Bowls

1460
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 2: with us. Now he's with the Chiefs, won all those three. Yeah,

1461
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 2: well this fucking guy. So keep going on the team, Jackie. Yeah.

1462
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 5: Just to further contextualize this season, we're coming off the

1463
01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 5: Can't Wait Game, the the work Round in twenty ten,

1464
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 5: Brady's coming off an MVP season. The season before this

1465
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 5: season was dedicated to Missus Graft. Of course, the patches

1466
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 5: on the Jerseys lost uncharacteristically lost back to back out

1467
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 5: of the bye week.

1468
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: And then rattled off eighth straight to finish regular season.

1469
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: Would we lose to there? It was the Giants and

1470
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: the Steelers. I remember that Steelers.

1471
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: Steelers is always like like the Ravens, Like those were

1472
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 1: the tough, physical These games.

1473
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: Were like they were old school football. They did what

1474
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 2: they did though you knew exactly what they were doing

1475
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 2: every time, and they still do what they do. They

1476
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 2: still do the same goddamn ship that when I was

1477
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 2: playing Tomlin's defense, Steelers football. I'm like, what the we

1478
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: still have linebackers covering the three slot every time we

1479
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 2: play the Steelers, I have at least nine catches. Do

1480
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 2: you think that they would change it? Right?

1481
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: No?

1482
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: But they do what they do. They got six coach, Like,

1483
01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: how do you get away with it for that long?

1484
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 2: Like just doing what you do and being yeah, like

1485
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, they believe, but they also they play the

1486
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: game and they coach it up. Well, yeah, they're fucking

1487
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: they're all coached.

1488
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,360
Speaker 1: They don't make a lot of mistakes. And again, what

1489
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,479
Speaker 1: do we because I heard you say this, heard you again?

1490
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 2: Do more research? Right, more games in the NFL or

1491
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 2: what they're lost than one. So if they're they.

1492
01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: Don't make mistakes, they don't lose a lot of games.

1493
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 2: They don't and they still don't lose them.

1494
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: And then we beat them in the playoffs.

1495
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 2: Sorry, And some notable rookies on this team.

1496
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 5: We got Veren Ridley, Solder, Marcus Cannon, Uh, Josh was

1497
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 5: brought back for the playoff run to come in, Josh McDaniels.

1498
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 2: That is come into a little offensive words. Well, that's

1499
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 2: a big draft. That's a big draft.

1500
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that Benny Benny.

1501
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 2: Benny Ben Jarvis Green all a great, I have a

1502
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 2: great Ben Benny. The law firm. What do you got

1503
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: law firm?

1504
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: It's a it's a story that involves Junior Sale.

1505
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1506
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 1: So we're getting beat up at linebacker. We have some

1507
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 1: injuries and uh, Bill says to me, he goes, he goes, Hey,

1508
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,320
Speaker 1: he goes, where's Junior because he wasn't you know, he

1509
01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: played for us, but he was.

1510
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know.

1511
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: He's like, give him a call fin out. So, hey, June,

1512
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 1: I go, uh where are you?

1513
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: He's like Fiji. I was like the island.

1514
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, surfing. I was like, okay, well Bill

1515
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: wants to bring in like we're, you know, kind of

1516
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: beat up, Like you are you ready to go or what?

1517
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm ready. I was like all right, well,

1518
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:20,880
Speaker 1: how fast can you get here? He's like, I don't know,

1519
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: I'll get there as soon as I can.

1520
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: I was like great.

1521
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: So I go back to Bill and I was like, hey,

1522
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: Junior's in Fiji surfing. I was like, like, Fiji's like

1523
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,919
Speaker 1: that's far far. And he's like oh, He's like when

1524
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: can you get here? I'm like he's trying to get

1525
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: your smooth. We're playing Seattle in Seattle. So I was like, well,

1526
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm like he you know, he can get back to

1527
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,640
Speaker 1: the West Coast. I'm like, he just meet us in Seattle.

1528
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: He's like, no, he's got to come back. He's got

1529
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: to take a physical before he ssund the country. I'm like,

1530
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: we're going to find him all the way. He's like, yeah,

1531
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: you gotta flyway.

1532
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 2: He I was like, oh my god.

1533
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: So I called you and I was like, hey, bro,

1534
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: you gotta fly all the way to Boston, like you

1535
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: got to get So I think he was getting into

1536
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: Boston on like Thursday, like I called him on Monday.

1537
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: I was like, you gotta fly and then we're gonna

1538
01:05:58,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: get on and plane. We're gona fly all the way

1539
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: back to Seatt Like this is gonna be awesome. So

1540
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,280
Speaker 1: Junior June bugs great. Right, So June Junior flies in.

1541
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: You know, does physical Juniors like unbelievable human specimen. He's

1542
01:06:09,840 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: always in shape, doesn't matter like, you know, So he's

1543
01:06:12,560 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: great past physical, get on playing fly Seattle. He's like

1544
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: he's like, buddy, what's the plan? And I'm like, you're

1545
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: not playing, but you know, we want you to get

1546
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: around team to play next week, gets you in shape,

1547
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 1: make sure you're ready to go, all that stuff. He's like,

1548
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 1: all right, I'm like, you're actually probably gonna be active

1549
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: for the game because everybody's hurt. He's I'm like, but

1550
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm not playing you. He's like, okay, all right,

1551
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: no problem. So we getting into the game. I think

1552
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,480
Speaker 1: it was, Uh, I have to ask Brew on this one.

1553
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,160
Speaker 1: So I think it was Gary Geydon, right, Gary. So

1554
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: Gary's another one of my linebackers that you know, I

1555
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 1: kind of had.

1556
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: Georgia tech right quick. Fact, Gary Geiden set it up

1557
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:49,000
Speaker 2: Slater with his wife Gary Nice. Garry's great.

1558
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: So Gary and Gerard were like that was Batman and

1559
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: Rob That's what they were for me. Right. So Gary,

1560
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 1: I think takes out Brew. We're playing, we're in the game,

1561
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: like hits him, like you know, so now Bruce Key's yeah,

1562
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: friendly fire. So now Teddy's down. So Teddy's the game.

1563
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 1: So I'm like, uh, Junior, you gotta win. He's like, well,

1564
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm like we're out of body, so I'm like, you

1565
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: gotta go. So put Junior out there right before the

1566
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: half throws like a little route. Now Deon branch is

1567
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: on Seattle. Yeah, so this is you know, Deon obviously

1568
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: played for US. I love Deon, but so now he's

1569
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 1: in Seattle. So Deon catches like a check out. He

1570
01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: goes for like sixty some yards. We missed tackle. We

1571
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: have like eleven missed tackles on the play. I think, like,

1572
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,919
Speaker 1: I think everyone missed him like seven times. Junior missed

1573
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 1: him like five. Like, Junior misses him so bad. And

1574
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: when he comes, he goes blowing by me.

1575
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 2: I grabbed him. I literally throw him back. I'm like,

1576
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 2: go get on me. Still runs. I throw him back

1577
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: in there.

1578
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 1: He takes off. All right, So game's over. We're staying

1579
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: in California. It's back to back games. So he get

1580
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: in the meeting on Monday or whatever, and uh, we're

1581
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: getting ready to go over Wednesday. And Bill's like, uh,

1582
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: he goes, we were done practicing pass at this point

1583
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: because it was late in the season. He goes, hey,

1584
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: he goes look, he goes, he missed you know, he

1585
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: missed Dion like four times. He's like he's got it.

1586
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: He's got a practice tackling. I was like, okay, He's like,

1587
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 1: tell him bring his pads to practice. I was like what.

1588
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 2: He's like, how to get his pads, get his equipment,

1589
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: get out there for post practice. I was like sweet.

1590
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: So I'm like, hey, Junior, I'm like, bring your pads

1591
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:16,559
Speaker 1: to practice and he's like what. I was like, yeah,

1592
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 1: you had some mistackles. I'm like, it wasn't wasn't good

1593
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: on tape. I'm like, you know, Bill wants to do

1594
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 1: some tackling after does he realize I'm like the NFL's

1595
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: all time leading tackler And I was like, yeah, well,

1596
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: you'd have one more if you just tackled him before

1597
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: the half. So I'm like, get your pads on, let's go.

1598
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,640
Speaker 1: We gotta go. So he's like, So he gets his

1599
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: pads and so I'm like practice rookie. I'm like, hey, Benny,

1600
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 1: I need I need your help. Post practice He's like, yeah, coach,

1601
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:41,439
Speaker 1: what I mean Ben?

1602
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: I love Benny, Ben Jarvis Greenells.

1603
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, we're gonna do one on one tackling you

1604
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 1: and Junior sale like post practice he was like what

1605
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, it's gonna be great. So

1606
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 1: they're like ten yards apart, whistle and you know Bill's

1607
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: over there and so whistle goes and Junior's like, ooh,

1608
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: just drills him. And I was like, and I'm like

1609
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 1: looking at Benny. Benny gets up, Junior looks at me.

1610
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: He's like, we're going again, and I'm looking at I

1611
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, so, I mean, it was like wow.

1612
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 2: And now Junior is now like, is that enough? You

1613
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 2: guys good if you see nothing.

1614
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: Benny's like helmet, I'm pretty sure his sideways like it's

1615
01:09:17,840 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 1: just one on one like blood sport.

1616
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 2: At this point, I'm like, I'm I'm looking at like

1617
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 2: we are we done here? Post practice, post pctice on

1618
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 2: the road surfing like a week earlier. I'm like, are

1619
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 2: we are we done here yet?

1620
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: Or what you know? So? Yeah, so we we did

1621
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: one on one.

1622
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,040
Speaker 2: Tack on Benny. That's Benny. He man, he takes. That's

1623
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 2: a team guy right there. He didn't fumble. I never

1624
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 2: when we were doing the research for this game. To

1625
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:44,280
Speaker 2: this point in his career, he never fumbled in high school,

1626
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 2: college or pros. Mister ball security, ball, security.

1627
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: Security, job, security, There's nothing more important than the ball.

1628
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: The other one says like, when you carry the ball,

1629
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: you carry carry fate of the entire organization in your hand.

1630
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 2: He said, not just the organization, the fucking region. This

1631
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 2: is a big region. Then he says, say less, I

1632
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:08,439
Speaker 2: got you, Ben, He says, say less.

1633
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 5: And since we got Maddy p here and we're we're

1634
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 5: talking about this team, we gotta give a little shine

1635
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 5: to some of these defensive guys. Andre Carter into the

1636
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 5: season injured but had ten sacks. Thenco six and a

1637
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:18,599
Speaker 5: half seconds.

1638
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: Great. Andre Carter played my brother in championship at CCS

1639
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 2: in high school. Really yeah, I went. I remember going

1640
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: and seeing them at San Jose State. My brother played

1641
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 2: for Saint Francis and he went to Grove and my

1642
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 2: brother's team beat him. My brother's team in high school,

1643
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:40,840
Speaker 2: Saint Francis was like they won like CCS five years, seven,

1644
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: eight years in a row. They were fucking You share

1645
01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 2: one thing about Andre Carter that you remember.

1646
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: What's the first thing that comes.

1647
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 2: Your big hands vice grips. Can you shake his hand?

1648
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 2: You you literally risking breaking a finger. It was like

1649
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:55,719
Speaker 2: wrap around your forearm.

1650
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,840
Speaker 1: It was just it just I was like, I don't

1651
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: really want to shag.

1652
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 2: Head like kung Fu Grip kung Fu Carter Gee.

1653
01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: Money, Vince Kyle Love, Kyle Love's a great story. So, Kyle,

1654
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: do you know where I found Kyle Love? That's how

1655
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:07,519
Speaker 1: I found Kyle Love.

1656
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:08,560
Speaker 2: So I do I do?

1657
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 1: I have to go to the University of Florida two

1658
01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: years before this and I do a huge you know,

1659
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,439
Speaker 1: Bill sends me down. I do a huge workout because

1660
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: that team was loaded.

1661
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,360
Speaker 2: Team had half the team.

1662
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,200
Speaker 1: But the game that we watched, yeah, the game we

1663
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:25,400
Speaker 1: watched was it was Florida versus Alabama. There was more

1664
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: NFL football players in that one game than you could

1665
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: watch the twenty other schools getting ready for the draft.

1666
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: So I go to Florida. I do a three hour

1667
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: workout with all the offensive guys and we're in the

1668
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 1: swamp and then I took a break and then had

1669
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 1: another three hour workout with all the defensive guys. So

1670
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 1: I literally worked out like fifteen eighteen dudes that were

1671
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: coming out. And so I meet with the pouncies. In

1672
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: the meeting, we're going through protection. I said, all right,

1673
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: who's who's the hardest guy you had to block this year?

1674
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: And they're like Kyle Love. And I'm like, I don't

1675
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 1: even have Kyle, Like I don't even.

1676
01:11:56,720 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 2: Have them on my notes.

1677
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: Who is Kyle love, and so that's how we found

1678
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,600
Speaker 1: out about the penalty us. That was one of the

1679
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,120
Speaker 1: hardest guys that had to block that year, and that's

1680
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 1: that's why we got them.

1681
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: They wouldn't they would know those are guys were That's

1682
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: how it worked with a.

1683
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,800
Speaker 1: Lot of players. Like I mean, we'll get to your story,

1684
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: but like I mean, the Ohio State game, we don't

1685
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: think we all watched that one hundred times.

1686
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: You played them tough. I was hurt.

1687
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,080
Speaker 1: Exactly. That's why we watched. What kind of guys we're

1688
01:12:24,080 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: looking for, Yeah, tough guys.

1689
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,799
Speaker 4: Can you speak a little bit about the recruiting process

1690
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 4: or the scouting process of Julian We.

1691
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,679
Speaker 1: Would pick really late in the draft, luckily very fortunate,

1692
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: very blessed, but really make it at the end of

1693
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 1: the first round, like you're really talking about second rounders

1694
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 1: and it just as it goes down the draft.

1695
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 2: It's like that.

1696
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: So we would always try to find and still all

1697
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,559
Speaker 1: through the years, who are the guys that we dig

1698
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: out that we can find that are going to make

1699
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: our team because they have the traites we're looking for

1700
01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:55,800
Speaker 1: that might not be on everybody's radar. Because that's when

1701
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to try to get them. You know,

1702
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to try to find tough guys that

1703
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: we think can fill a role, can play make the

1704
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: team or what do we see their projection? What do

1705
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 1: we see them developing into? From that standpoint, And that

1706
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: was Julian through and through, tough as nails. Just you

1707
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: went in a category of just a ballplayer, you know,

1708
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: like Scar would say, ball playing Jesse.

1709
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: Ball playing Jesse, Yeah, that would be Julie. So it

1710
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:23,640
Speaker 2: was like, what exactly he's gonna play quarterback for us?

1711
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: Probably not?

1712
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 2: Probably not, but can we.

1713
01:13:26,439 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: Find a way? Right, Okay, so exactly so, but can

1714
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: we find a way for him thee on field? Yeah,

1715
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna be tough, he's gonna be reliable, he's gonna

1716
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: be available. And we were always looking for special teams,

1717
01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,320
Speaker 1: you know, who are the guys that could help us

1718
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: be dynamic? And I think you came in did all

1719
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 1: those things. You mentally worked through some catch things right

1720
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: because that was real, and got to the points where

1721
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,560
Speaker 1: you became sure handed, you became trusted, You learned the

1722
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 1: game the way that we I don't want to say

1723
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: wanted you to, but the way that we played. You know,

1724
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:09,120
Speaker 1: you were smart, and we just love those guys like

1725
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: those are our guys, Like those are our type of guys.

1726
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: So we would watch the Ohio State game. We were injured,

1727
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: but you were tough, you were out there, you know, yeah.

1728
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,720
Speaker 2: You had some games were lighting it up Iowa State,

1729
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,320
Speaker 2: but those games like okay, but those those schools for

1730
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,920
Speaker 2: our school it was, but Ohio State.

1731
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 1: We're looking at those guys saying, well, you know, this

1732
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: guy's fighting his ass off against this team. Like okay,

1733
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 1: if you're on the other side of it, everyone's saying, well, yeah,

1734
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: of course he's an NFL guy. Well why is that

1735
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,839
Speaker 1: not an NFL guy like you're seeing against the competition.

1736
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 2: You want to see, now, how did he when we're

1737
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 2: hiring guys off the street middle of the season for

1738
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: DB's because we were baying, okay, here we go. Yep,

1739
01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:55,400
Speaker 2: who the FU asked who brought up to put me

1740
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: on that? I remember Josh Boy told boy go get him,

1741
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 2: go get him and bring him in. Boy or literally

1742
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: came up to get in the fucking locker room and said, Yo,

1743
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 2: you're on a Wednesday. Yeah go get It wasn't even

1744
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:06,719
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday.

1745
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: No, no, he's said, hey, a conversation on Tuesday, but

1746
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: it wasn't because one of the reasons I love this

1747
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: game Myra honoring her this year playing you know Baltimore.

1748
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: The way we won or they lost. However, I look

1749
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:23,519
Speaker 1: at because I think I think Myra pushed the ball.

1750
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 1: I think she pushed it out of the goal post

1751
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 1: because that guy was really good. Really, but it was

1752
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: I told you my my infactuation of like when I

1753
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:32,880
Speaker 1: got to New England, I thought that, you know, I'm

1754
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 1: says Syracuse Division one coach Pascoing is a great football coach.

1755
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 1: But just the way that we looked at the game

1756
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:41,719
Speaker 1: at New England and I again, I remember Troy Brown played,

1757
01:15:42,200 --> 01:15:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, the star for us. He played, you know,

1758
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 1: he was one of our best. You got to pick

1759
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,320
Speaker 1: against Drew. It was like first completion of the game

1760
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 1: was Detroit. It was like we got confused, but it

1761
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: was like he that whole what I saw us do

1762
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and four. I was like, that is

1763
01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 1: the coolest thing ever. I can't wait to do that.

1764
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 1: And then so as I'm taking over the defense, I

1765
01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 1: would always look at the offensive guys going, okay, we

1766
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: get late because I knew you're gonna be at the game? Yeah,

1767
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: you know, because you're always like, who's going to be

1768
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 1: at the game. That's what I need, you know, because

1769
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 1: once you get through those four set of guys roster management.

1770
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,120
Speaker 1: So I was always looking at the offensive get.

1771
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,160
Speaker 2: Forty what do you get forty eight on game day? Yeah?

1772
01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 2: It was forty seven, sety.

1773
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,040
Speaker 1: Seven on game day for three on the roster, And

1774
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: I was always looking at the offensive guys getting said

1775
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,880
Speaker 1: who could play defense? Yeah, the offensive guys that can

1776
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 1: play defense. But once you were kind of on the team,

1777
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: all of that stuff that you went through, I was like,

1778
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: that's the guy that can do it. So I always

1779
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 1: had in my head I was like, at some point,

1780
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 1: he's going to play dB for us.

1781
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 2: Which is so crazy. For two reasons. I remember when

1782
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 2: I was getting worked out, Pittsburgh worked me out as

1783
01:16:45,400 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 2: a safety in a corner when I was coming out

1784
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 2: of Kent. And then the second thing, when you told

1785
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 2: me about the Troy Brown stuff, and like you said,

1786
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,400
Speaker 2: oh that I finally got someone that I could do

1787
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 2: this with. When I first got afted to New England, Yeah,

1788
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,040
Speaker 2: my agent Don Ye yeah, Don do Hunk goes to

1789
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: me and he goes, I have a vision you're the

1790
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:12,679
Speaker 2: next Troy Brown. I just the team's gonna it's gonna

1791
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,719
Speaker 2: be hard for them to cut you because you're gonna

1792
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: Because that was the thing going into this. They had

1793
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 2: seven receivers my rookie year. Eight receivers. They traded for

1794
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: a guy they had Randy Moss West. One of the

1795
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:25,600
Speaker 2: guys was a special teams captain Sam Akin. So like

1796
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: the roster spot was like hard, you can't get that spot.

1797
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 2: But my agent was just always say it's gonna be

1798
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 2: hard for them to cut you because you could do

1799
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot. It's crazy you said that. Fucking

1800
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 2: Don's a smart dude.

1801
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:40,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, it was. I just and Josh, you know,

1802
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: Josh Boyer, he was great at all that tiff too.

1803
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: So Josh was like, and I think he was on.

1804
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: He was in that same mentality Josh was and he

1805
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: saw the same thing. So you know it was Jules

1806
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 1: was gonna play defense. We were gonna, we were gonna

1807
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: go through it. You know, I remember Troy saying, I

1808
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: was like long time ago. I was like, Troy, how

1809
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:58,960
Speaker 1: did you He's like, well, I know most of the routes.

1810
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like a run on these routes. Yeah, so

1811
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,519
Speaker 2: I know everything inside exceptually, Yeah, that's situation, So.

1812
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 1: You knew the same and then situational. You know what

1813
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: we wanted to defensively, and I knew you'd learn it

1814
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: in a very short amount of time.

1815
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,200
Speaker 2: So because I remember what I would do Bill, and

1816
01:18:14,320 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 2: you guys would always say, well, Bill, I would listen

1817
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,040
Speaker 2: to the team meeting, yep, and Bill would always say,

1818
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 2: gotta have it situations, the third downs, the four point

1819
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 2: plays they throw got to have it routes to gotta

1820
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,600
Speaker 2: have it players. Yeah, so if you fucking study the

1821
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,560
Speaker 2: gotta have it route, give you the list on that

1822
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: straight third down, and then you study the got to

1823
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: have it player. Like, all I would do is just

1824
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: hold on for dear life for the first five yards

1825
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 2: because I knew guys hated it and they just play

1826
01:18:47,960 --> 01:18:50,760
Speaker 2: to your leverage. But in this fucking game, which I

1827
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: want to get into, we had, did we go over

1828
01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,920
Speaker 2: locking combo all fucking week?

1829
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 5: We did?

1830
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,639
Speaker 2: And you see me making the fucking call and square

1831
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 2: it off. I I'm not calling no one out, but

1832
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 2: you gott anybody out? What are we doing? Maybe? And

1833
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 2: then they're calling me out on the TV. I remember

1834
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 2: watching it when I was so proud it was AFC Championship.

1835
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we got dumb ass, that'll be there.

1836
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,240
Speaker 1: I obviously did not do a good enough job of

1837
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: coaching that.

1838
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 2: That's all right, I called it. I called it to

1839
01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: him because the point was set. So what we're talking

1840
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: about is, and we'll get into in the game on

1841
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: a specific third down end cumbole and then late in

1842
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 2: the game he motions it. They have a bat, they

1843
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 2: have a bunch, And what our game plan for that

1844
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:32,320
Speaker 2: week was we were gonna lock the point of the

1845
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: bunch and you combo the the other two guys, which

1846
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 2: means if this guy on the outside goes inside, I

1847
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,360
Speaker 2: got whoever goes inside. H the other guy has whoever

1848
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,560
Speaker 2: goes outside the other guy when it goes in, it

1849
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 2: was an instant check to the bunch. If it was

1850
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: a check, So you see me square it off because

1851
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm I want square. So the guy runs into me

1852
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 2: so I could get a bum, can.

1853
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:57,559
Speaker 1: Pull out the game plant the game plan.

1854
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,840
Speaker 2: Well, I always loved you. Yeah, And then the other

1855
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 2: I came over and we fucking looked like the Keystone

1856
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:06,080
Speaker 2: cops out here, and the guy runs free we almost

1857
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,559
Speaker 2: lose the game because of it. So I'm sitting here

1858
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 2: thinking the whole time, fucking I lost the goddamn Super

1859
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 2: Bowl for us. So do you know, like in this

1860
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:15,519
Speaker 2: get so up into this game.

1861
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 1: I think I think I had fifteen straight defensive three

1862
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: and out series.

1863
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, in this up.

1864
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: So I think the first two series of this game

1865
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: they went three and out. Maybe the third three series

1866
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: of yeah, first three, so so I think it was

1867
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: total fifteen straight. We're playing some good ball.

1868
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, third down, and that's when you give up a

1869
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 2: lot offensive guys on defense. La was playing safety.

1870
01:20:40,080 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: I was like, Slate, listen, I need you in the middlefield, bro,

1871
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: like just bro like I was. This was I could

1872
01:20:44,479 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: jump this in the back of the back end and

1873
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: this this was. This was intense trying to put this

1874
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: crew together.

1875
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,400
Speaker 2: Very it was very intense.

1876
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 1: I tell you my favorite part of this game though, Yes,

1877
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: this is great. So you know I put the call

1878
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:00,799
Speaker 1: in whatever Jewels is out there and in Gwin Bolden

1879
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: you remember me on it, Joe Flacco.

1880
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fucking Julian Edelman. Throw me the goddamn ball.

1881
01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: He was so mad, he was so mad, so mad.

1882
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,120
Speaker 1: I laughed with him about that all the time.

1883
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:18,000
Speaker 2: Hey, he was, he's like the ball he got me,

1884
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 2: he got me one time. But I was, I was.

1885
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 2: My strategy was, I wasn't going to cover you, No,

1886
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 2: I wasn't gonna glove you up, but I was gonna

1887
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:27,800
Speaker 2: be around to tackle you and make you. It'd be

1888
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 2: a contested style type catch, and I was gonna grab

1889
01:21:30,600 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: you and fucking try to cheat as far as I

1890
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: could and hate you. Yeah, how would you sell up

1891
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: this team? In just the twenty eleven team.

1892
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,759
Speaker 1: I mean, gritty, gritty, gritty team tough, I mean obviously

1893
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: the next man up mentality. So but it was really

1894
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:52,120
Speaker 1: just I think everyone capitalizing on their opportunities and just believing,

1895
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: like and again why I love this game this year

1896
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,720
Speaker 1: with my Ra, like we were really trying to do

1897
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,439
Speaker 1: every thing we could honor her without her memory. And

1898
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: I think that every week we knew like, hey, like

1899
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: let's just everybody give their best and go out there.

1900
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: And we had a good, good bunch of young guys

1901
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,760
Speaker 1: that we knew were going to be great players, you know,

1902
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,040
Speaker 1: on the team. So it was fun to watch them develop.

1903
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 1: And then some guys that had been there for a

1904
01:22:15,680 --> 01:22:20,240
Speaker 1: little while and just I just this was just a tough,

1905
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:25,120
Speaker 1: gritty willing themselves almost to win. You know, there's so

1906
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,560
Speaker 1: many guys in the team and people like who was

1907
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: that I forgot about that guy. I didn't realize that

1908
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 1: guy was there. I didn't realize that guy was there.

1909
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: And it was like we were to the super Bowl. Yeah,

1910
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 1: were the super Bowl? So like you want to like

1911
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: it was nobody can go to.

1912
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 2: But now you said fifteen straight three and ounce.

1913
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: I think it was fifteen straight something like that.

1914
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 2: What's the art of the DC? How do you what's

1915
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,080
Speaker 2: your starting point of when you're preparing for a team.

1916
01:22:48,120 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: Are you looking at players plays or is it changed

1917
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,519
Speaker 2: situationally for each team? Like how do you construct what

1918
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: you're going to plan for that week? Because you were

1919
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: a game planning coach angels every week? How do you

1920
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,200
Speaker 2: break that in? What's the art of co d C?

1921
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it was interesting so being Annoy England.

1922
01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: Obviously our fundamental background defensive philosophy right comes from the Giants,

1923
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: right nineteen eighties Bill at the Giants, those great defenses there,

1924
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:18,160
Speaker 1: and then you got to really understand So I had

1925
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 1: I had two playbooks, right, we had our playbook and

1926
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: then I had the Bible, right, I called it the

1927
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 1: Bible because that was everything like that. I I was

1928
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,640
Speaker 1: always keeping track of the history of where did all

1929
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:29,160
Speaker 1: this stuff come from? Because I figured if you could

1930
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 1: understand where it came from, then we would know when

1931
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 1: to install older when to use it.

1932
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 2: So who made the Bible? So I did you know

1933
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: copy football beer? Does that make you a profit? Definitely?

1934
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: I mean Jesus, I am. I mean I was named,

1935
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 1: I am Matthew.

1936
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 2: He's one of the prophets. He's out of here.

1937
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: So so so yeah, so eighties, right, and then you

1938
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 1: have the influence of our defense from Saban, when Bill

1939
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: and Nicket together at Cleveland, and how it moors from

1940
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 1: cover two to cover three, a little bit of Cover

1941
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 1: five which was our two man Nick with Cover one four,

1942
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: and then so as.

1943
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 2: We get to New England loves it right.

1944
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 1: So as we get to New England, you know Romeo

1945
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Rack is there early what that was Mangini and then

1946
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,000
Speaker 1: Dean takes over and we go all in to Cover four,

1947
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: which was you know, that was his baby and that

1948
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:21,679
Speaker 1: was great for all those years too. When Dean left,

1949
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: you know, Bill wanted to get back to some more

1950
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: traditional stuff. The game was changing at this point, right

1951
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: around this timeline, and I really think offensively, Bill had

1952
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: a great vision of where the game should go and

1953
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:36,639
Speaker 1: it was getting away from the elevens into the mixed

1954
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 1: twelves personnel groups. But at this time, defensively, we had

1955
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: gone back to a lot of base cover two, cover three.

1956
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: We had young players playing zone. Because he had zone,

1957
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: you got more chances for turnovers. You can see the quarterback,

1958
01:24:49,360 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 1: you can see the throws. Good tack We're always good tacklers, right,

1959
01:24:52,400 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 1: good tackling defense. And so that's we had young guys.

1960
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: So that's what we were in this era. We had

1961
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: our man's for situational football because you got to play

1962
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: man in situational football, red area things like that. And

1963
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 1: then really as our team developed and we get into

1964
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 1: other games, you know when we get keep to leave,

1965
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,760
Speaker 1: everything defensively changed changed. Everything changed. It keeps like one

1966
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,160
Speaker 1: of my favorites ever right walks in and he's like

1967
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: Matty Pee, He's like, I got him. You figure out

1968
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: the rest of it. I'm like cool, Like you know,

1969
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: it was like, so we changed, we morphed. We would

1970
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: always morph the defense based on the talent. We had

1971
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: right at this time, we're also coming out of this

1972
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: is actually the last year of a lot of base defense.

1973
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 1: So then next year after this, because of our twelve packages,

1974
01:25:35,280 --> 01:25:37,360
Speaker 1: you know, I went into big nickel. This is where

1975
01:25:37,439 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: that's where Pat Chung really comes into. This is where

1976
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: Pat Chung saves us for a lot of years. No,

1977
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: he does not get enough credit for the evolution of

1978
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,599
Speaker 1: what we went to and where we were for all

1979
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: those years. After defensively, Devin also gets moved from corner

1980
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,120
Speaker 1: and move him to safety, you know after this because

1981
01:25:54,160 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: of where we were. You know, Dev's like rookie of

1982
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:56,519
Speaker 1: the year.

1983
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 2: And do you do that? Why do we change defense?

1984
01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:03,720
Speaker 2: Because because you're twelve personnel and so there's a lot

1985
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 2: of twelve personnel, which means there's two tight ends, but

1986
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 2: teams are still spreading people out, so the safety has

1987
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 2: to cover the tight end. Who's a better route runner

1988
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 2: these days? So Patrick Chung being the physical type player

1989
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: that could play decent against bigger or very good against

1990
01:26:20,439 --> 01:26:26,040
Speaker 2: bigger guys. So that's why Patrick Chung was so good

1991
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: because he was a covering safety. He wasn't a big safety,

1992
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:32,680
Speaker 2: which now all the safeties looked like Patrick Chung. But

1993
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: at this time, you know, this is when safeties were

1994
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: fucking huge.

1995
01:26:36,160 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: Yeah still still big, still coming down there. That's what

1996
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm just giving of the history. So defensively, our mentality

1997
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:46,080
Speaker 1: in general was how do we fit the defensive structure

1998
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: to the so again, like people are are like, oh,

1999
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: you're a base cover two coach, and I'm like, well

2000
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 1: I was when we needed to be, you know. But

2001
01:26:52,439 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 1: like you saw a playbook, like we had every coverage

2002
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: known to man in that thing, and then some we

2003
01:26:56,520 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: made up so or fronts and variations. So with that

2004
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: mentality the defense, that was just from mentality every week,

2005
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 1: what do we have to do? What do we have

2006
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 1: to play in order to win this game? Because that's

2007
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,200
Speaker 1: all that really mattered. It was like, it doesn't matter

2008
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: what we do, how do we just win this game?

2009
01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: Complimentary football with the offense, with special teams with defense,

2010
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 1: and who are the players we have to do that?

2011
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:23,280
Speaker 1: And so it was always evolving, always changing. But when

2012
01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:25,920
Speaker 1: you game plan an offense for for me, you know,

2013
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:28,760
Speaker 1: started with the quarterback, how are we gonna make this guy?

2014
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 1: You know, how we're gonna play the game within the

2015
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 1: game against this guy? And then I went to the

2016
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: offensive line. You obviously identify who are the great players,

2017
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,040
Speaker 1: who the go to guys you got to stop, you know,

2018
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 1: who's the ball going to and what situations, you know,

2019
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: make sure you got those guys handled, make sure you

2020
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: got him covered. But game planning affecting the quarterback was

2021
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:47,720
Speaker 1: through the offensive line. How do we get pressure in

2022
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 1: his face? He's gonna step up? Is he gonna bail?

2023
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Is he gonna move?

2024
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: Do we need to keep him in the pocket? Do

2025
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: we want him out of the pockets he scramblard? Does

2026
01:27:53,160 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 1: the extend all of those You got to answer all

2027
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 1: of those questions, you know, as you go through the

2028
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: game plan process, and then you know you got run game.

2029
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:03,400
Speaker 1: You got all of that in there. What packages are

2030
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,320
Speaker 1: gonna play? How are you gonna call the game? You know,

2031
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,680
Speaker 1: So a lot of games I would have, you know,

2032
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:10,280
Speaker 1: I had different call sheets. So I had the main,

2033
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: our main call sheet that everybody had, and then I

2034
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: would have adjustment call sheets, you know, and I either

2035
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 1: have them or you know, people ask me the time.

2036
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: So I always had a notebook in you know, always

2037
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 1: wore hoodie, always had pocket, yeah, of course, right, uh,

2038
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 1: but I always had But I always had notebooks with paper,

2039
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, and I would rewrite different scripts, different series

2040
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:35,559
Speaker 1: coming up, you know, like we come aside. I'm like, hey, Jewels,

2041
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: next third down call is going to be this, next

2042
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: first down is going to be called to be ready

2043
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 1: to go in on second down, and long, second and

2044
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 1: short we're gonna stay based. And I would write all

2045
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: of those out so that everybody had that during the game, I'm.

2046
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 2: Done, how's money? I'm done early, and then I went

2047
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: to Nickel.

2048
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:50,599
Speaker 1: Then you went to Nickel.

2049
01:28:50,640 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's how we game plan.

2050
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: And you know, going to this game, they had had

2051
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,920
Speaker 1: good skill that, you know, good running back obviously a

2052
01:28:57,040 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 1: quarterback that was gonna sit in the pocket. So it

2053
01:28:58,640 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 1: was like, how do we disrupt the timing of the

2054
01:28:59,840 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: game we had We're able to generate with some Andre

2055
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,280
Speaker 1: and Mark, we're able you know, Vince pushed the pocket.

2056
01:29:06,360 --> 01:29:10,240
Speaker 1: It was Vince wilfork Man. He's easily.

2057
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:16,040
Speaker 2: Now does Bill come in to staff meeting? All right, boys,

2058
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,160
Speaker 2: this is how we have to win this because he's

2059
01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 2: gonna give you the keys on what he thinks the

2060
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 2: whole collective teams, special teams, defense and offense has to do.

2061
01:29:25,080 --> 01:29:26,479
Speaker 2: So he pulls in, all right, guys, this is what

2062
01:29:26,520 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 2: we got to do, this, this, this, this, this, and

2063
01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 2: then he pulls you aside. You guys break and you

2064
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,160
Speaker 2: guys go install what you're gonna do for that week

2065
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:36,680
Speaker 2: or develop what you're gonna do for that game plan week.

2066
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: Now does he ever sometimes come in, I like, Matty

2067
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 2: p you know, we're gonna score a lot of points

2068
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 2: on these guys, like, this is what we need you

2069
01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:49,240
Speaker 2: to do. So like, is that's what a good head coach?

2070
01:29:49,439 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 2: Is that what he's doing as well?

2071
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:53,160
Speaker 1: So we certainly would have as we got ready for

2072
01:29:53,280 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: game plans. You know, we would meet Josh would meet

2073
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,559
Speaker 1: with Bill. I'd meet with Bill and we'd talk about like, hey,

2074
01:29:58,600 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 1: what are you thinking, how do you want to play this?

2075
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,639
Speaker 1: What do you think on the other side of the ball.

2076
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 1: We'd do that kind of individually. We talked, you know,

2077
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: personnel always biggest thing.

2078
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: We who do we got?

2079
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 1: You know, it was always us first, like who do

2080
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:10,120
Speaker 1: we have? Who are the best eleven guys we can

2081
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,800
Speaker 1: put on the field to help us win this week

2082
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:13,800
Speaker 1: against and who do they got? It was all you

2083
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,280
Speaker 1: know to me the NFL coming from college, the NFL

2084
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: was so much more the NBA than it was college football.

2085
01:30:20,280 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: It was the matchups. It was who's this guy? Who

2086
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:25,320
Speaker 1: whears this guy? How do you play the game, you know,

2087
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 1: against these the players on the other side of the field,

2088
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: and who do you have? So we would talk about

2089
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,559
Speaker 1: the big picture. We would put the game plans together.

2090
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 1: You know, I'd certainly go in and talk to them like, hey,

2091
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: this is what we're thinking. What do you think You'd

2092
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, this is great, this is good. Hey

2093
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: take a look at this. Maybe try something here too.

2094
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,760
Speaker 1: So he'd always have you know, we'd always have to

2095
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 1: say as far as things that he liked, and then

2096
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,200
Speaker 1: what we would do, which I loved, loved these meetings

2097
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: that were super long. All of our meetings were super long,

2098
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: all of them. So but it would be the night

2099
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,040
Speaker 1: before the game and we would have a coordinators meeting

2100
01:30:56,439 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 1: and we would and Ernie so Ernie Bill coordinators's phone

2101
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 1: was not ringing. That was the most amazing thing ever.

2102
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:06,960
Speaker 1: I know, Josha bro, you have no idea. I was

2103
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 1: like everyone thought they were fired right there. Okay, anyways,

2104
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: so we'd have these coordinator MOMENTI story, and so we

2105
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,880
Speaker 1: would we would go through we would go through the

2106
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: call sheet every with so I knew how Josh was

2107
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: going to call the game. Josh knew how I was

2108
01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: going to call the game. I knew what Scotti was

2109
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:26,360
Speaker 1: going to call on special teams, and we would build

2110
01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,360
Speaker 1: it sit there and we talk about, Okay, hey, does

2111
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: this fit the vision of how this game needs to

2112
01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:33,080
Speaker 1: go so that we give ourselves a chance to win?

2113
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:34,360
Speaker 1: And that was the most fun.

2114
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the crazy thing. We talk about, all

2115
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 2: these sexy hires, all these play callers. You know that

2116
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:46,200
Speaker 2: these future coaches. You think that a good play caller

2117
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,599
Speaker 2: could just be a great head coach. It's hard. It's

2118
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: fucking hard. Being a head coach is hard. It's hard.

2119
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:52,760
Speaker 1: It's really hard.

2120
01:31:53,479 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 2: Jackie, let's break down the fucking uh Ravens. Baltimore Ravens

2121
01:31:57,880 --> 01:32:00,240
Speaker 2: get through the they were in our division because play

2122
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 2: them twice a year the regular season.

2123
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:05,080
Speaker 5: On theofs somehow didn't match up this year against them

2124
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 5: in the regular season this year.

2125
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you gotta be a first place All the

2126
01:32:08,439 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 2: first place teams play each other. That's how it goes. Well,

2127
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 2: that's what people don't realize about the schedule. Making all

2128
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,720
Speaker 2: in conference, whatever you place, you play all those same

2129
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:23,920
Speaker 2: places and then you get a different conference division, So

2130
01:32:24,040 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 2: that makes up the eighteen to seventeen games the schedule

2131
01:32:27,120 --> 01:32:27,799
Speaker 2: more beautiful.

2132
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 1: It's like, again, you think about the incredible run that

2133
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:35,280
Speaker 1: we had, like every year, let alone, we're getting whatever

2134
01:32:35,360 --> 01:32:38,080
Speaker 1: team we played, we were getting their best because that

2135
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 1: was the benchmark. But you're also playing the best teams

2136
01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 1: every year all the time. Like the mental fort two

2137
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,519
Speaker 1: is that word? The mental toughness a favorite Tommy Like

2138
01:32:50,840 --> 01:32:52,800
Speaker 1: the the what do you say?

2139
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:54,400
Speaker 2: Competitive?

2140
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Competitive stands my favorite favorite term that he would use

2141
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: competitive stamina of you guys was unbelievable.

2142
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:01,920
Speaker 2: And that's what a lot of people don't realize right

2143
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: now with these Chiefs. Everyone says, oh, they only won

2144
01:33:05,160 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 2: by two points. They don't realize that every team and

2145
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 2: every coach that's coaching against them, they're sitting and they say,

2146
01:33:12,360 --> 01:33:15,599
Speaker 2: that's America's most wanted If we beat them, we're gonna

2147
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 2: get paid more, we're gonna get a new job. We're

2148
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:22,000
Speaker 2: gonna do this every single team. And it's not like

2149
01:33:22,120 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: you're playing Louisiana Lafayette Agricultural School the right. Everyone's getting

2150
01:33:27,479 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 2: everyone's good, everyone's good. So that's why it's impressive what

2151
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 2: they're doing. But that's what Matt matty p was trying

2152
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:37,680
Speaker 2: to say, like, you know, it gets hard when you

2153
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 2: when you're winning first place every year, you're America's most wanted,

2154
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,479
Speaker 2: so you're playing everyone's super Bowl.

2155
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,479
Speaker 1: It's amazing. You don't realize, you know. And again we

2156
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,680
Speaker 1: did this on purpose, right, so we were always kind

2157
01:33:49,680 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: of behind the curtain, like you know, knowing we had

2158
01:33:53,320 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: that mystery about us, right, which we loved because we

2159
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 1: didn't talk outside the building like everything was in house.

2160
01:33:59,479 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 1: And we loved it because actually it was an advantage.

2161
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: Like Teddy would say this whole time. Breu would be like,

2162
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:07,800
Speaker 1: we had them beat before they walked in the field

2163
01:34:08,240 --> 01:34:10,519
Speaker 1: because everyone was like, how are they doing this? How

2164
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 1: are they doing this? And once we put a little

2165
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: bit of doubt in their head in the first or

2166
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,480
Speaker 1: second quarter, well.

2167
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,600
Speaker 2: Because we wouldn't make mistakes and they would Yep, we

2168
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,080
Speaker 2: had them. Why the great teams embrace the bulls eye. Baby,

2169
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:25,200
Speaker 2: you gotta you know what.

2170
01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Kyle Busch, which is great, right, So.

2171
01:34:29,479 --> 01:34:31,320
Speaker 2: He rubbed me when I was fucking starting to race

2172
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,760
Speaker 2: in the New Hampshire once when I was the pit car. Yeah,

2173
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:36,479
Speaker 2: you fucking bumps. So I did the same thing New Hampshire.

2174
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 2: Go right, go do the same thing.

2175
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,800
Speaker 1: Actually, so I go out. I gotta I walk out

2176
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:44,000
Speaker 1: with him and uh give him a check or something

2177
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: to him whatever. So you know, everyone loves to boo them, right,

2178
01:34:46,920 --> 01:34:48,719
Speaker 1: So I come on, they like announce me, and everyone's

2179
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:50,760
Speaker 1: kind of like and then you know, cheering, and then

2180
01:34:50,760 --> 01:34:52,160
Speaker 1: like they announced him that they want to boo.

2181
01:34:52,200 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 2: But I'm on there so it's kind of awkward.

2182
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: And then he just looks at me and he goes,

2183
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 1: he goes, I love the booze.

2184
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 2: He goes, it means you're Relevan then, and I was like,

2185
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,759
Speaker 2: I like that. It's true love that. He was awesome.

2186
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:07,080
Speaker 2: He was. He drove the pace car.

2187
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't drive it.

2188
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 2: I rode see I drove. I drove the pace car.

2189
01:35:12,160 --> 01:35:14,799
Speaker 2: And he was the first. He won the fucking polls,

2190
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:18,000
Speaker 2: so he was. He was the first car and that's

2191
01:35:18,040 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 2: what he did. I went, I was like, hey, it

2192
01:35:20,280 --> 01:35:25,080
Speaker 2: was the day's thirder. He's bump you rubbed, you go rubbed.

2193
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,479
Speaker 2: He's race He's also a Broncos fan, so I know

2194
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,200
Speaker 2: he's got to. He was so cool though, he let

2195
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,599
Speaker 2: he let me. All right, well he let me into

2196
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,760
Speaker 2: his trailer and everything, but definitely on this oh yeah,

2197
01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 2: come on, all right.

2198
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:41,600
Speaker 5: Anyway, these Ravens went twelve and four, fourth year of

2199
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 5: the hardball era o C Cam Cameron Chuck Pagano was

2200
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 5: leading the team. We know him a future head coach

2201
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:52,680
Speaker 5: after this. Ricky Williams last year in the NFL was

2202
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:55,360
Speaker 5: taking snaps in this game. It's just my mind rewatching

2203
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:59,080
Speaker 5: this game. Oh my god, running Ray shout out Ricky.

2204
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,639
Speaker 5: Uh fourth straight year making the playoffs for the Ravens.

2205
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 5: Terrell Suggs DP O wide. He's been Player of the

2206
01:36:04,439 --> 01:36:08,160
Speaker 5: Year and they swept their division, so pretty dominant MAFC

2207
01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 5: North that year. Dude, Jimmy Smith I always say he

2208
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:11,599
Speaker 5: was really good.

2209
01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:14,280
Speaker 2: I liked him. Yeah, he was a bad, physical guy

2210
01:36:14,360 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: that could get in and out of his breaks because

2211
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 2: we played him so much. And then Tory Smith he

2212
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 2: was just he was a really fast receiver. Tyrod Taylor

2213
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 2: was a rookie crazy. They had the running back that

2214
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:27,840
Speaker 2: was good.

2215
01:36:28,400 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ray Rice was.

2216
01:36:31,760 --> 01:36:34,120
Speaker 2: That guy. He's one of my favorite He's one of

2217
01:36:34,200 --> 01:36:37,680
Speaker 2: my favorites. He's a fucking low He's a sweet guy.

2218
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:38,799
Speaker 2: He wasn't like an asshole.

2219
01:36:39,080 --> 01:36:41,559
Speaker 1: Amount of the amount of respect I have for him

2220
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 1: is off the charts.

2221
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember Torell's or No, that was Bart Scott. Bart.

2222
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 2: Scott went to Billio's face, Remember that fuck you what boy?

2223
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,600
Speaker 2: Billy Like I'm talking this was like I think the

2224
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:57,960
Speaker 2: ref was doing the penalty for something and like there's

2225
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 2: dead time on the field and Bart went up to

2226
01:37:00,439 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 2: him and did that billy oh like starts yelling at him.

2227
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 5: And also this was Jones, this late era ed Reid

2228
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,559
Speaker 5: for the for the Ravens second to last year in Baltimore.

2229
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 2: Now, how much did ed Man how much did he

2230
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,679
Speaker 2: talk about him? And coaches me, because in our regular

2231
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:18,080
Speaker 2: meetings we we'd have a forty five played cut up

2232
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:22,560
Speaker 2: on a Wednesday, fucking Ravens week of Ed Reid and

2233
01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 2: the up and under on punt, the fucking the punt return,

2234
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:30,760
Speaker 2: Like did Bill talk about him obsessly?

2235
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: And the defensive guys, what are you talking about?

2236
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.

2237
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,920
Speaker 1: So we played when I was at Syracuse two thousand

2238
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: and one, we played Miami last game of the year,

2239
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 1: so we were actually really good that year. Freenie was

2240
01:37:41,640 --> 01:37:42,880
Speaker 1: a he was a senior Dwight.

2241
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:43,639
Speaker 2: He was rolling.

2242
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 1: It was our whole third down defense was hey, Dwight, Yeah,

2243
01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 1: Dwight's my guys, just go back to the quarterback. So

2244
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 1: we played Miami. McKinney, right is the tackle for Miami. Yeah,

2245
01:37:54,960 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: so this is Dwight story. But anyway, I was talk

2246
01:37:57,200 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: about Ed Reid, So Ed Reid and Jason Taylor. Literally,

2247
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 1: I think we threw more pick sixes to those guys

2248
01:38:03,240 --> 01:38:05,080
Speaker 1: in that game. I think they scored like four touchdowns

2249
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: a piece. It was unbelievable. Was a track meet, like

2250
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,000
Speaker 1: those guys are just so ed Reid, Like even college,

2251
01:38:10,600 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 1: he was Unreal's the way that he did, the way

2252
01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: that he could find the amazing He baits you too.

2253
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:20,760
Speaker 2: There'd be some times were like I remember just in

2254
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:25,759
Speaker 2: our gameplay meetings when we play against him. For an

2255
01:38:25,840 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 2: offensive skill player, when you're looking at coverage, you never

2256
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 2: look at the corners because corners can lie and cheat.

2257
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,800
Speaker 2: What you always do is you have to always take

2258
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 2: a pre snap read of the safeties and then post

2259
01:38:40,320 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 2: snap what the safeties are doing. You have to be

2260
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,679
Speaker 2: able to locate them to see what responsibility they're trying

2261
01:38:45,680 --> 01:38:48,880
Speaker 2: to get. So then that just what that stuff. Yeah,

2262
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 2: you got to see. But whenever we play the Ravens,

2263
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 2: we had to like we couldn't do that because Ed

2264
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: would fucking just completely go rogue on on something. He

2265
01:38:58,240 --> 01:38:59,880
Speaker 2: would start up over here when he had to be

2266
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 2: the halffield safety on the other side and then get

2267
01:39:02,640 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 2: over there, which we would get them. We would get them,

2268
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 2: we would, we would. We would gash him with the

2269
01:39:07,320 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 2: touchdown here or there. But then there would also be

2270
01:39:09,439 --> 01:39:10,639
Speaker 2: a pick that came out of nowhere.

2271
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 1: Like that's just those games within the game, because that's

2272
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 1: my game within the game of like the quarterback the

2273
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:21,120
Speaker 1: safety like Brady and and like that's fascinating stuff, like

2274
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: people that love like that is just watching those two

2275
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:27,080
Speaker 1: great players at it with each other was amazing. Or

2276
01:39:27,240 --> 01:39:29,599
Speaker 1: you know, like coverage you mentioned where you find the fish, right,

2277
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 1: who's the youngest guy on the field.

2278
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 2: Who's the youngest guy.

2279
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 1: He's going to be the most scared about his coverage,

2280
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:36,839
Speaker 1: So before the snap he will be in the alignment

2281
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,200
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be in. So just find the fish

2282
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 1: and that'll give you. Like so whether it was a nickel,

2283
01:39:42,280 --> 01:39:44,680
Speaker 1: a star, a corner safety, you.

2284
01:39:44,720 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 2: Know, by the end I would look at because you'd

2285
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:52,479
Speaker 2: always sometimes I would hear like Scar and Brady and Josh,

2286
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,680
Speaker 2: they'd talk about like the defensive line, and sometimes you

2287
01:39:55,760 --> 01:39:57,799
Speaker 2: get keys from the defense line on what the coverage

2288
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,599
Speaker 2: would be because if they were in like a bear front,

2289
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 2: or if they were in like five down diamond, you

2290
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 2: knew you were always getting manned because they were manned up,

2291
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:07,800
Speaker 2: you know.

2292
01:40:07,960 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 1: So like or if you listen and you saw, like,

2293
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, guy has uh he's normally got one hand down,

2294
01:40:12,280 --> 01:40:13,519
Speaker 1: all sudden he's got the other hand down.

2295
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, he's dropping. Yeah, he's dropping. You know,

2296
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: he's almost There's all these little keys.

2297
01:40:18,240 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: There's no different we look at offensive tackles. I'm like,

2298
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,400
Speaker 1: all right, well, if his you know, his heels up here,

2299
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:24,600
Speaker 1: if the stagger's this, it's past. This is run like

2300
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:27,559
Speaker 1: all those you know, things you look for. But good players,

2301
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:30,040
Speaker 1: like i'd read you better be careful.

2302
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:33,479
Speaker 2: Now, how what was what was this offense for the Ravens?

2303
01:40:33,560 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 2: How what was the keys to stop this offense? What

2304
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: was so good about this offense in twenty eleven?

2305
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, coming out of the year before,

2306
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:43,760
Speaker 1: obviously the run game was going to be an issue, right,

2307
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 1: So we got to stop the run. But this was

2308
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 1: getting Flacco, like, you know, like we got to get

2309
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:50,519
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco. We gotta make him uncomfortable. He's not really

2310
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 1: gonna scram he's not going to take off. We got

2311
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:55,280
Speaker 1: to push the middle of the pocket. They're gonna get

2312
01:40:55,280 --> 01:40:57,680
Speaker 1: some yards. They've been getting it all year. We just

2313
01:40:57,800 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 1: got to do a great job in the red area

2314
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,160
Speaker 1: and then you know, make him try to drive it

2315
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:03,400
Speaker 1: and get some turnovers, which we did. You know, we

2316
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: got a couple of great I mean, the spikes pick

2317
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,839
Speaker 1: in this game is a great play.

2318
01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:10,439
Speaker 2: By one hand. Yeah, that was a really good pick.

2319
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:13,680
Speaker 2: Now with Joe Flacco what I always saw with you,

2320
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 2: let me pull the book. I can show you we

2321
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 2: we got ye.

2322
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:19,160
Speaker 1: We're coming on.

2323
01:41:20,640 --> 01:41:26,360
Speaker 2: I mean we're coming out. Holy Ernie, Maddie. All of

2324
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,080
Speaker 2: them were Josh brings ship to just din't bring anything.

2325
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:33,320
Speaker 2: I don't think Josh Billy. Oh he brought a tea kettle.

2326
01:41:33,439 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 2: He got all pissed. So this would be right. So

2327
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 2: this is your play sheet.

2328
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: So this would be the play sheet from the game.

2329
01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 2: How many times do you refine that?

2330
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:45,320
Speaker 1: So I was obsessed.

2331
01:41:45,479 --> 01:41:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, we start out with probably like eight hundred plays.

2332
01:41:50,240 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 1: So through the course of the week, like I'd build

2333
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,479
Speaker 1: it right, So whether it was early downs, third downs,

2334
01:41:54,520 --> 01:41:56,599
Speaker 1: red area, I would build him as we would go through,

2335
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 1: and then by the end I would sit there and

2336
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 1: just I'd sit there by the end, and you know,

2337
01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,560
Speaker 1: I'd build the call sheet and we always had you know,

2338
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,000
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a different call sheet

2339
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 1: than than all the other coaches because they also had

2340
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 1: the personnel on the back. I wasn't doing the rotation

2341
01:42:12,479 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 1: of the players and all that stuff, so all the

2342
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,080
Speaker 1: situational stuff was on the back. But yeah, so in

2343
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:19,679
Speaker 1: the front of the game, you know, we'd go circle

2344
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: the calls we were going to start with in the game,

2345
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:25,160
Speaker 1: go from there, and then i'd have like minis sometimes

2346
01:42:25,240 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: when my eyes actually work, my eyes don't work anymore,

2347
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: but I'd be able to call it off the minis

2348
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:31,280
Speaker 1: if I wanted those. I couldn't find my notebook for

2349
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:34,840
Speaker 1: this one, my handwritten notes during the game. But yeah,

2350
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,519
Speaker 1: so we had you know, I got the evaluation of

2351
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:38,080
Speaker 1: the game right here. Things we did well, things we

2352
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: did poorly.

2353
01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:41,960
Speaker 2: So when you're you're about to call a play, you're

2354
01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 2: looking over to see who's the signal guy to tell

2355
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:50,120
Speaker 2: us what personnel was. So Joshua's boyer was upstairs, upstairs.

2356
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 2: We gotta love it, we gotta love it, we gotta

2357
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 2: love it. And you go to your eleven personnel.

2358
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: There was nobody better upstairs than josh His eyes is

2359
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:02,479
Speaker 1: the way he saw the game, the information he gave me.

2360
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 2: I love josh. Yeah. So he gives you personnel, and

2361
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 2: then you already know situations. So it's first and ten.

2362
01:43:10,160 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: You go to your first and ten thing. We got

2363
01:43:13,080 --> 01:43:16,840
Speaker 2: eleven person are eleven personnel, and then you're changing up

2364
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,080
Speaker 2: if you want eleven personnel blitz or this that, and

2365
01:43:19,240 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 2: that's what you're making the decision.

2366
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you know, based on how I think the

2367
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,000
Speaker 1: game is going, or if I have a tendency on

2368
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:25,720
Speaker 1: how I think he's gonna call it. Like some guys

2369
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 1: getting run past rhythms. Some guys go run run past

2370
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: or whatever that is, or or.

2371
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,160
Speaker 2: First down after crossing the fifty, maybe a shot.

2372
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,840
Speaker 1: All those situations. I mean, if we get to the

2373
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: logo or low fridge, high red area, fringe, hi yep,

2374
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,160
Speaker 1: backed up, protection, block it up, throw it outside. If

2375
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:43,799
Speaker 1: you're showing yeah, all that stuff.

2376
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:46,559
Speaker 4: Can I ask the dumbest like at home fan question.

2377
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 4: Just hear me out for a second. The place sheets laminated, Yes,

2378
01:43:50,880 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 4: you've got a pencil in your.

2379
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,439
Speaker 1: Ear or I had a paper note pad so you

2380
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,120
Speaker 1: can see on the back there. Those are the second

2381
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,960
Speaker 1: joy's got it right now, I had I was like

2382
01:43:59,320 --> 01:44:01,599
Speaker 1: staples now, I mean I had had.

2383
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:03,799
Speaker 2: Austments.

2384
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:06,840
Speaker 1: Those are the adjustments or probably during the game, you know,

2385
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:10,519
Speaker 1: in the second half. Those are second half. I had

2386
01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 1: my thin markers in my right front pocket. I had

2387
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 1: thick markers in my back pocket because it would cross

2388
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:19,839
Speaker 1: them out. I had pencil here, I had a notebook

2389
01:44:20,360 --> 01:44:23,800
Speaker 1: in the front of my pocket because sometimes it was

2390
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,760
Speaker 1: cardboard or paper because again the lambin it's great. The

2391
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:29,439
Speaker 1: thing about the lamina was good is that you could

2392
01:44:29,479 --> 01:44:31,040
Speaker 1: mark on it and do all that. But it actually

2393
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: when you lamit made the thing bigger, so I can

2394
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:33,800
Speaker 1: actually see it.

2395
01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 2: Sometimes.

2396
01:44:34,560 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 1: Uh, you know it's hard, but you know you'd be

2397
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: writing and doing all that stuff. But again, if it

2398
01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: rained or if it snowed, like, those markers are useless, right,

2399
01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:47,040
Speaker 1: so they don't work. Paper and pencil always works, you know,

2400
01:44:47,160 --> 01:44:49,760
Speaker 1: cardboard works, and a lot of times, like as if

2401
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:52,320
Speaker 1: I had the call sheet here, I actually had paper

2402
01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:54,519
Speaker 1: in front of it. And then so during the series,

2403
01:44:54,720 --> 01:44:57,680
Speaker 1: as I'm getting notes, I would quick mark on the

2404
01:44:57,800 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: paper in front of me in front of the call sheet,

2405
01:45:00,720 --> 01:45:02,800
Speaker 1: and then go back, and then when everyone came to

2406
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,719
Speaker 1: the sideline, I would go and mark up in marker

2407
01:45:05,120 --> 01:45:06,920
Speaker 1: on the call sheet because I didn't want to mark

2408
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:09,040
Speaker 1: on the call sheet during the call. I didn't want

2409
01:45:09,080 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: to correct anything on the call sheet because I wanted

2410
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,840
Speaker 1: the call sheet. That's that's where I was making the

2411
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: calls from. So I needed that as good as it

2412
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:15,960
Speaker 1: could be. I mean got chaotic. I could cut some

2413
01:45:15,960 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: of these game plans. So I hand drew all of

2414
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:22,639
Speaker 1: our game plans, hand wrote and drew every call.

2415
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,800
Speaker 2: You put it into something though only the call sheet,

2416
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,439
Speaker 2: so all that is you don't have that. You know

2417
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:32,800
Speaker 2: what you should do? If I was, you tell me,

2418
01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:37,400
Speaker 2: if you want to be real smart, what you have

2419
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 2: engineering power to do this? You know there's chat GBT, Yes,

2420
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:44,559
Speaker 2: I'm into that right now. You should make chat matty

2421
01:45:44,640 --> 01:45:49,640
Speaker 2: P where you log all your football ship in. And

2422
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 2: then whenever I have anything, I could just say, what

2423
01:45:52,200 --> 01:45:54,280
Speaker 2: is that base thing this that you could type it

2424
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:56,599
Speaker 2: in there and it'll it'll take all the databases from

2425
01:45:56,680 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 2: all your notes and it'll be able to answer the question. Now,

2426
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:02,360
Speaker 2: that's a that's AI. I might already be on that.

2427
01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 2: I know you're on that ship. I know you're on

2428
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:07,560
Speaker 2: that ship. I am heavy into that right now. But

2429
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,639
Speaker 2: that's what that's what it's gonna be. I can't believe

2430
01:46:10,680 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 2: you just told everybody just oh yeah, we were watching this.

2431
01:46:15,240 --> 01:46:19,479
Speaker 2: And I always remember sometimes you get in front when

2432
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,680
Speaker 2: I would play scout team, because he would. When I

2433
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 2: was playing a scout team at this time, Matt e

2434
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 2: p would come coach the scout team for fifteen minutes

2435
01:46:27,960 --> 01:46:31,640
Speaker 2: on what he wanted to emphasize on the period of

2436
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,280
Speaker 2: the play cards. So he would he would go through

2437
01:46:34,320 --> 01:46:36,080
Speaker 2: all our play cards what we had to go run

2438
01:46:36,280 --> 01:46:39,639
Speaker 2: against the real team or the ones, and he would

2439
01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:41,840
Speaker 2: go and kind of try to coach how they would

2440
01:46:41,880 --> 01:46:44,640
Speaker 2: do it. And so a lot of times when we

2441
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:48,600
Speaker 2: play these guys with Joe Flacco, he'd be like he

2442
01:46:48,680 --> 01:46:51,000
Speaker 2: go to the quarterback, he goes, all right, I don't

2443
01:46:51,040 --> 01:46:54,040
Speaker 2: care if the guy's covered down the field, just throw

2444
01:46:54,120 --> 01:46:56,560
Speaker 2: it up because they're going to try to get a pie.

2445
01:46:57,400 --> 01:46:59,000
Speaker 2: And half the time is that not true?

2446
01:46:59,120 --> 01:47:01,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it was he was gonna go the

2447
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:05,320
Speaker 1: fifty fifty. You know, everybody fifty. But defensively, for me,

2448
01:47:05,400 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 1: it was always like, really, there's three things that can

2449
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:10,439
Speaker 1: happen on the play when you played these guys, and

2450
01:47:10,560 --> 01:47:12,479
Speaker 1: they always had it was either he could you could

2451
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: break it up, he can catch it, or they're gonna

2452
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: get a you know, they're gonna get a PI and

2453
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,080
Speaker 1: then get the ball down there. So I'm like, we

2454
01:47:19,240 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 1: have to practice that. If we don't practice that, we're

2455
01:47:22,200 --> 01:47:24,519
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to make those plays live. And

2456
01:47:24,600 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: in the game it was all like because again you're

2457
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,559
Speaker 1: you're downfield trying to play the ball up in the air,

2458
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of times for the show teams, it's like,

2459
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:32,960
Speaker 1: all right, I'm just not gonna throw it. I'm like, no,

2460
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 1: I need this guy to get this rep. I don't

2461
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,439
Speaker 1: care if he's covered, because this is gonna happen in

2462
01:47:37,479 --> 01:47:39,400
Speaker 1: the game, and if he doesn't do it in practice,

2463
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:41,360
Speaker 1: he's not gonna you know, as a player, you're not

2464
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:42,760
Speaker 1: gonna have that confidence that you're gonna be able to

2465
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:44,439
Speaker 1: do it right in the game. And I just wanted

2466
01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 1: to have that confidence going in the game, so you know,

2467
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:48,280
Speaker 1: we'd be out in the field and be like, hey,

2468
01:47:48,280 --> 01:47:50,240
Speaker 1: you've made this play three times this week, like I

2469
01:47:50,360 --> 01:47:51,920
Speaker 1: threw it you on purpose, Like just go make it

2470
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:52,280
Speaker 1: in the game.

2471
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 2: You can do that. So what would you say? The

2472
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 2: craziest little one of those types of things you guys

2473
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:03,240
Speaker 2: made players due to work on players weaknesses, because I

2474
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 2: have one. When you used to tape up the balls,

2475
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,200
Speaker 2: you would tape they would tape up. They would tape

2476
01:48:09,240 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 2: up Dv's hands. They would tape up their hands so

2477
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 2: they couldn't grab if they got a lot of grabbing penalties,

2478
01:48:14,520 --> 01:48:17,639
Speaker 2: they would fucking tape their hands so they couldn't grab him. Provy,

2479
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,320
Speaker 2: So mad I would be. If I was a dB,

2480
01:48:20,439 --> 01:48:22,960
Speaker 2: I would be like, this is fucking crazy. Or if

2481
01:48:23,439 --> 01:48:26,719
Speaker 2: say another team was on vice versa as a receiver,

2482
01:48:27,439 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 2: Bill and Maddy p would go into the other you know,

2483
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,439
Speaker 2: the scout team for the defense, and he would say,

2484
01:48:32,880 --> 01:48:36,240
Speaker 2: line up off sides and hold the guy. There's no

2485
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,040
Speaker 2: holding this way, there's no holding, we just hold him.

2486
01:48:39,160 --> 01:48:42,719
Speaker 1: Or like pass rush, I tell the defensive ends against

2487
01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:44,280
Speaker 1: you know, if like you had a good rusher for

2488
01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles, hey, just line up off sides, like

2489
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,680
Speaker 1: just don't don't worry about line up on the ball,

2490
01:48:49,880 --> 01:48:51,560
Speaker 1: just line up off sides, because that's how fast this

2491
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:52,360
Speaker 1: guy gets off the ball.

2492
01:48:52,680 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. That's what people don't realize

2493
01:48:56,280 --> 01:49:00,639
Speaker 2: when I see all these situations, like when the defensive

2494
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,799
Speaker 2: lineman sees the ball on the ground after a quarterback

2495
01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 2: got strip sacked and there's a pile of guys and

2496
01:49:08,240 --> 01:49:10,040
Speaker 2: a guy tries to pick it up instead of just

2497
01:49:10,160 --> 01:49:12,400
Speaker 2: falling on it. Country, and we used to literally fucking

2498
01:49:12,479 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 2: practice that we're country. Sit there and throw a ball out.

2499
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:17,160
Speaker 2: All right, there's two guys. All right, you can pick

2500
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:18,439
Speaker 2: it up or you have to get on it in

2501
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:20,599
Speaker 2: country and city. Country and city.

2502
01:49:20,640 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: What do you mean in the country pick it up?

2503
01:49:21,840 --> 01:49:22,600
Speaker 1: Here in the city, get on.

2504
01:49:22,640 --> 01:49:24,960
Speaker 2: It, Get on it. That means too much, too much traffic,

2505
01:49:25,040 --> 01:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Too much traffic, jackie, what's the game. Let's blast through

2506
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:30,560
Speaker 2: this thing thirty two degrees at kickoff. This is the

2507
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,800
Speaker 2: early game of the of the Championship series. So it's

2508
01:49:33,840 --> 01:49:34,599
Speaker 2: still in New York.

2509
01:49:35,080 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 5: Sam Frayin on the back end, Ledsoe Honrey, captain ye

2510
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:42,000
Speaker 5: Steven Tyler out there singing the national anthem. This thing

2511
01:49:42,120 --> 01:49:44,639
Speaker 5: is getting kicked off, and we're coming off the tebow

2512
01:49:44,720 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 5: Mania and ground three TV performance riding high and then

2513
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 5: of course a little bit of bad memories coming in

2514
01:49:52,400 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 5: here with the Ray Rice.

2515
01:49:53,640 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 2: Eighty seven yard TV to kick it off two years earlier.

2516
01:49:56,479 --> 01:50:00,200
Speaker 5: So that was that was a storyline swirling to We

2517
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 5: alluded to this earlier in the episode three and out

2518
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,760
Speaker 5: fest to start the game three in a row, Big

2519
01:50:05,880 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 5: Vince was in their tackle for loss sacks. We're moving

2520
01:50:09,479 --> 01:50:11,880
Speaker 5: the ball down the field. Three points in the first half,

2521
01:50:11,960 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 5: low scoring or the first quarter. Sorry about that, Pat's

2522
01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 5: up three to nothing. Tom throws a pick late in

2523
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:22,920
Speaker 5: the first quarter, intended for Jules. That drive extends into

2524
01:50:22,960 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 5: the second So mad at me, I look at like

2525
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 5: such a young player in that play.

2526
01:50:27,640 --> 01:50:30,439
Speaker 2: I hate it. I hate it.

2527
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:32,680
Speaker 5: Well, the scoring opens up a little bit in the

2528
01:50:32,720 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 5: second quarter. Ten ten Steve o tax On.

2529
01:50:36,240 --> 01:50:39,719
Speaker 2: Technically the ball is supposed to be outside of numbers

2530
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 2: two yards outside.

2531
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,439
Speaker 1: This is why we are how we are. We've won

2532
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:46,600
Speaker 1: so many games. I can't like sometimes I remember that

2533
01:50:46,680 --> 01:50:49,640
Speaker 1: I know every game, every bad play, like all like

2534
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:50,719
Speaker 1: we just we have said.

2535
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,360
Speaker 2: You know, you know what's crazy? This makes me rehash

2536
01:50:55,479 --> 01:50:58,439
Speaker 2: and remember stuff. Yeah, I don't just sit and remember,

2537
01:50:58,640 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 2: like because we we were blessed and fortunate enough where

2538
01:51:02,000 --> 01:51:04,960
Speaker 2: we had so many Usually, if you're like a guy

2539
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 2: that goes to high school, you play football, you remember

2540
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:09,920
Speaker 2: everything from high school. But we've gone on to so

2541
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 2: many crazy experiences and we've had a lot of them

2542
01:51:14,720 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 2: that like my processor can't handle it all.

2543
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean, we were like six Super Bowls, eight straight

2544
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 1: AFC championship. I don't know how many total AFC champions

2545
01:51:24,439 --> 01:51:26,719
Speaker 1: you cant. I mean, it's just like so lucky.

2546
01:51:26,960 --> 01:51:31,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy. Thirteen ten at the half, Pats are up.

2547
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 5: Moving into the second half, we extend the lead with

2548
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 5: another Steve o field goal. A lot of bend don't

2549
01:51:37,120 --> 01:51:39,960
Speaker 5: break going on on both sides of the ball. Baltimore

2550
01:51:40,160 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 5: gets the lead, first lead of the game on a

2551
01:51:42,240 --> 01:51:44,800
Speaker 5: Tory Smith twenty nine yard touchdown. Then we have a

2552
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 5: tough sequence coming up here. Woody fumbles the subsequent kick return. Brutal,

2553
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:54,040
Speaker 5: brutal three hold him to three on a big red

2554
01:51:54,080 --> 01:51:54,639
Speaker 5: area stop.

2555
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:57,479
Speaker 2: So what's the art of the red area stop?

2556
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:00,599
Speaker 1: Oh? Yes, negative play.

2557
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:06,240
Speaker 2: Negative play decreases your chances of scoring. It's it's resetting

2558
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage.

2559
01:52:07,960 --> 01:52:10,240
Speaker 1: Negative play in the reddia decreases your chances of scoring

2560
01:52:10,280 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 1: by like fifty percent or whatever it is. So it

2561
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 1: was always like when they run the ball like they

2562
01:52:14,640 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 1: you know, you can never let him run it in never,

2563
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 1: and then it's the you know, stop him on early downs,

2564
01:52:20,200 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: and then it's the four point play on third down.

2565
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:24,679
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after this quick break.

2566
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,840
Speaker 1: So we used to do goal line seven on seven.

2567
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 2: I remember competitive like it was like we would talk.

2568
01:52:32,880 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 2: That's when he brought out the easy button. We talked

2569
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:35,680
Speaker 2: about that. Remember talk.

2570
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,320
Speaker 1: We would talk ship and all that stuff, like we

2571
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 1: would bat you know, Brady and all that, so, you know,

2572
01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: and Rob would always be talking, you know. So I

2573
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: would stand. I would put the garbage cans up because

2574
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:44,760
Speaker 1: he'd be.

2575
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:48,080
Speaker 2: Running the route, like the garbage can linemen. Yeah, but

2576
01:52:48,120 --> 01:52:49,000
Speaker 2: I put them out.

2577
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:51,000
Speaker 1: And like make sure that they couldn't just run through

2578
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:53,160
Speaker 1: because we had the you know, only the skelly out there.

2579
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:54,800
Speaker 2: And so Rob.

2580
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 1: Rob was yaking, and so I had the garbage can

2581
01:52:58,000 --> 01:52:59,599
Speaker 1: in front of me, and I knew he was running

2582
01:52:59,600 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 1: across out behind me. So he takes off and starts

2583
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to run, and I take the garbage can and I

2584
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:08,560
Speaker 1: throw it behind me, and all I hear is and

2585
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 1: I turn around. He's on the ground and he's laying

2586
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:13,640
Speaker 1: there and he's not moving. This Friday before game and

2587
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:15,960
Speaker 1: he's laying there and he's not moving, and I was like,

2588
01:53:16,280 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, I just broke his leg. Like I

2589
01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 1: was like, I just I'm like, I'm gonna get fired

2590
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:22,479
Speaker 1: right now, like I just killed him. And so I'm like,

2591
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,040
Speaker 1: so now I panic go over and now I'm like,

2592
01:53:24,200 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm like, are you okay? And he

2593
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 1: starts laughing. I was like he's so he was like

2594
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:29,680
Speaker 1: he scared the shit out of me. He used to like,

2595
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, my kids would come after train can was

2596
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:34,040
Speaker 1: the best, right, you know, and he would always take

2597
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,479
Speaker 1: Dominic and put him on his back and do push ups.

2598
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 1: He's like, I do my push ups and he'd take

2599
01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,160
Speaker 1: dom and he'd bang out the push ups. And I

2600
01:53:40,280 --> 01:53:41,519
Speaker 1: was laughing at him earlier. I was like, do you

2601
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:44,160
Speaker 1: remember my oldest domb's first Halloween. I'm like, I came

2602
01:53:44,200 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 1: to your house, you know, for trick or treat, and

2603
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,560
Speaker 1: so Rob obviously I know where he lives, right, So

2604
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:51,840
Speaker 1: he comes to the door and he's wearing the exact

2605
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,839
Speaker 1: same clothes he wore to work right with a knitted

2606
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,360
Speaker 1: Santa Claus like mask, like right on his face. So

2607
01:53:58,400 --> 01:54:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, so I'm like, treat whatever. My

2608
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,320
Speaker 1: mom's like one, so it puts it in. So I

2609
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:05,560
Speaker 1: was talking to so he's got the mask, and I

2610
01:54:05,640 --> 01:54:07,360
Speaker 1: was like, my god, you get a lot of you know,

2611
01:54:07,439 --> 01:54:09,800
Speaker 1: a lot of tricker treaders or anything, and and he's

2612
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:10,679
Speaker 1: not really saying anything.

2613
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:12,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, I was like all right, and

2614
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:14,720
Speaker 2: he kind of looks at Me's like, how do you

2615
01:54:14,760 --> 01:54:15,160
Speaker 2: know it was me?

2616
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:19,360
Speaker 1: And I was like, I know, I know where you

2617
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,120
Speaker 1: live and you're in the same exact clothes I saw

2618
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:22,200
Speaker 1: you in two hours ago, like.

2619
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Foxborough.

2620
01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: Like it was like it was like the best man,

2621
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: I love, I love you know. I was like, that's

2622
01:54:35,760 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: the best. But we used to talk, you know, and

2623
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 1: it's I mean, tell him to temmy right.

2624
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:41,560
Speaker 2: So he talked so much.

2625
01:54:44,600 --> 01:54:47,640
Speaker 1: My old heads back in the day, Rabel Bruce Ki,

2626
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 1: like those guys they would go play show team just

2627
01:54:50,680 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 1: to play show team because they were bored, and they

2628
01:54:53,440 --> 01:54:54,960
Speaker 1: go out and play safety and you know, tell him

2629
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 1: we got mad. So it was always like it's not

2630
01:54:57,560 --> 01:55:00,480
Speaker 1: gonna remember always competition back and forth between the offense defense.

2631
01:55:01,400 --> 01:55:03,960
Speaker 2: What was the what was the one time that you

2632
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 2: because I know Raves used to give it to Brady

2633
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 2: the worst was there a specific incident or a practice

2634
01:55:11,680 --> 01:55:12,960
Speaker 2: You don't have to say what he said that you

2635
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 2: remember where like I think he may it went too far.

2636
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:17,560
Speaker 1: You would hear the helmet go flying, and it would

2637
01:55:17,560 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 1: be yard Sale ear piece, mouth piece. Like I was like, oh,

2638
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:23,000
Speaker 1: they got him, they got him good. You know, he'd

2639
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: be so mad, he'd be so mad, and he'd probably

2640
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:27,920
Speaker 1: tell you too. The worst part was is that those

2641
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:31,800
Speaker 1: guys probably messed up the look he's and you know,

2642
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:34,760
Speaker 1: you know he'd get all because he knew covered three

2643
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:38,000
Speaker 1: there in fucking yeah. They're you know, yes, splot field

2644
01:55:38,080 --> 01:55:40,840
Speaker 1: safety stuff and ruin. But with Tom and Grenk, this

2645
01:55:40,880 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 1: one was great too, where we would always do competitive

2646
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:46,000
Speaker 1: drives two men and all that stuff, and and when

2647
01:55:46,040 --> 01:55:47,400
Speaker 1: there was a lot of ship talking going on back

2648
01:55:47,400 --> 01:55:48,960
Speaker 1: and forth and Gronk's on the far side of the field,

2649
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:51,360
Speaker 1: and it's I think I was giving him a lot

2650
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,120
Speaker 1: of ship we were. I was like, you guys, you know,

2651
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 1: we got you. Whatever he to me, takes a snap,

2652
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:58,360
Speaker 1: he draws back and he just he throws it and

2653
01:55:58,400 --> 01:55:59,960
Speaker 1: as soon as he lets it go, he turns around

2654
01:56:00,040 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: at me and he looks at me and he was like,

2655
01:56:01,480 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 1: gives me one of these.

2656
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:04,560
Speaker 2: And I was like, and I knew as soon as.

2657
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's a touchdown, like

2658
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 1: he's about to like score. So he gives me one

2659
01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 1: of these and he's looking at it, doesn't even look

2660
01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:11,320
Speaker 1: at the play, looks at me, and I was like, oh,

2661
01:56:11,400 --> 01:56:13,120
Speaker 1: he dropped it. And he turns around. He was so

2662
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:15,960
Speaker 1: mad because he thought like Gronk dropped, Dronk caught it.

2663
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 2: It was a touchdown. He turned around and looked back

2664
01:56:17,680 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 2: at me, and I was like, that was ridiculous.

2665
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,200
Speaker 1: It was unreal.

2666
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:24,160
Speaker 2: So much fun, man, And he said, no fun over there.

2667
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:24,840
Speaker 2: We did.

2668
01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:26,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Matt Light, are you kidding me?

2669
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 2: Like he even story the.

2670
01:56:28,520 --> 01:56:31,240
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Barbecue won in Rochester, which he did the game.

2671
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:34,160
Speaker 1: That was amazing because so being from Syracuse, that's where

2672
01:56:34,200 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 1: Dinosaur Barbecue was that opened up in Rochester. So he

2673
01:56:36,680 --> 01:56:38,520
Speaker 1: texted me, we're on the bus like we're literally trying

2674
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:40,760
Speaker 1: to be a snowstorm and we're just like we're gonna

2675
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:43,000
Speaker 1: get on ninety the through way and we're gonna drive

2676
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,240
Speaker 1: until eventually they just shut the throu way down. We

2677
01:56:45,320 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 1: get up in Rochester. We go to a hotel. It's

2678
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,880
Speaker 1: like under construction. There's like stuff everywhere, and I get

2679
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 1: a text from Light. I would always get a text

2680
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,240
Speaker 1: my Light. He said he said Dinosaur BBQ meet us.

2681
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,240
Speaker 1: And I was like, Oh, this is gonna be bad.

2682
01:56:58,480 --> 01:57:01,160
Speaker 1: And I just remember I was like, you know, think god.

2683
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 1: There was like no videos and phones and all that stuff.

2684
01:57:04,200 --> 01:57:08,000
Speaker 1: And I remember walking in like boat races are going

2685
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:10,880
Speaker 1: on and like all that, and I was like, I'm

2686
01:57:10,920 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna have to babysit this.

2687
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 2: This is not gonna be This is not.

2688
01:57:13,640 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, because I was always the one that was like, hey,

2689
01:57:15,800 --> 01:57:18,080
Speaker 1: let's get Maddie p He'll take care of it that way.

2690
01:57:18,080 --> 01:57:20,280
Speaker 1: If we get in trouble, we're okay. And I was

2691
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:22,880
Speaker 1: like not again, because Light would do the same when

2692
01:57:22,920 --> 01:57:23,960
Speaker 1: we would do training camp.

2693
01:57:24,880 --> 01:57:25,520
Speaker 2: This one's great.

2694
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 1: So we all the coaches at bed check and your

2695
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:29,960
Speaker 1: name would be on the board of who was the

2696
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:32,880
Speaker 1: bed bed check coach that night. So Light comes to

2697
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:34,880
Speaker 1: me training came. He goes, hey, he goes, uh listen,

2698
01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: he goes, you got bed checked and then I said, yeah,

2699
01:57:37,160 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 1: he goes, you gotta do me a favorite. He goes,

2700
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:41,160
Speaker 1: there's a new movie coming out. He goes, I rented

2701
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:43,400
Speaker 1: the movie theater. He goes, but the whole team is

2702
01:57:43,440 --> 01:57:45,960
Speaker 1: gonna be there. It's okay, He's like, but we're gonna

2703
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:48,640
Speaker 1: be a little late. And then it's like you mothers

2704
01:57:48,720 --> 01:57:50,920
Speaker 1: like why my I night? Like why do I always

2705
01:57:50,960 --> 01:57:53,080
Speaker 1: I have the worst bed check. Everything always happened to

2706
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:57,600
Speaker 1: me on bedcheck, not a movie inside. So I was

2707
01:57:57,720 --> 01:57:59,920
Speaker 1: like what and the he I was like okay, I'm like, well,

2708
01:58:00,120 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 1: you know, and I gotdn't obviously don't say anything. I'm like,

2709
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 1: all right, I got you. I'm like, but I'm coming,

2710
01:58:05,080 --> 01:58:07,480
Speaker 1: like I'm going to the movie. So it was Anchorman.

2711
01:58:07,880 --> 01:58:11,080
Speaker 2: That was the movie. It just come out, and literally

2712
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:13,400
Speaker 2: the whole movie, it's the whole team is in the movie.

2713
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:14,040
Speaker 2: That popcorn.

2714
01:58:14,120 --> 01:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Everyone like the whole thing, and I just remember it

2715
01:58:16,160 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 1: andding and it's like eleven whatever, curfew was eleven. I'm

2716
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,520
Speaker 1: like like, look, everyone's got twenty minutes, and I'm like,

2717
01:58:21,560 --> 01:58:23,720
Speaker 1: I'm going to rooms in twenty minutes. You better hurry up.

2718
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 1: But it was like one of those things where life's

2719
01:58:25,360 --> 01:58:27,040
Speaker 1: like hey, just you know, it'd.

2720
01:58:26,800 --> 01:58:28,280
Speaker 2: Be good for the team, you know how he could

2721
01:58:28,360 --> 01:58:31,160
Speaker 2: say anything, and I was like, oh, this guy's so

2722
01:58:31,880 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 2: Matt Light one training camp. Every day at the end

2723
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 2: of training camp we'd have two minute drill and for

2724
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:41,800
Speaker 2: the for the film, they would always go to the clock,

2725
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:44,600
Speaker 2: which was you'd have fans under the clock and it's

2726
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,200
Speaker 2: like there's like a lawn, there's a bunch of fans

2727
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:48,880
Speaker 2: under but they'd go to the clock to see where

2728
01:58:48,920 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 2: it was before the play, to see the time on

2729
01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:54,240
Speaker 2: on the play. So like if you had two minutes

2730
01:58:54,280 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 2: to go after a play, you'd have you know, one

2731
01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,960
Speaker 2: thirty of no timeouts whatever, but you get that show

2732
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:03,920
Speaker 2: out of the scoreboard every single time. And so Matt

2733
01:59:04,160 --> 01:59:08,120
Speaker 2: had one of his buddies come up during two minutes

2734
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:11,560
Speaker 2: and he wrote a bunch of signs that he knew

2735
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 2: after each play to put the sign up before the

2736
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,600
Speaker 2: thing for the cut up, so the whole team would

2737
01:59:16,600 --> 01:59:19,960
Speaker 2: have to see it. And they would be signs like mayo,

2738
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:23,240
Speaker 2: I wish I put some mayo on those buns, or

2739
01:59:23,760 --> 01:59:25,920
Speaker 2: he had all these crazy things and.

2740
01:59:26,040 --> 01:59:28,600
Speaker 1: So you can choker wide, Yeah, I have them all,

2741
01:59:28,680 --> 01:59:31,400
Speaker 1: and I had they were in the back of my truck.

2742
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,800
Speaker 1: Cause again it's like I gotta I gotta hide these.

2743
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm throwing them in the back of your truck. I'm like,

2744
01:59:35,120 --> 01:59:36,720
Speaker 1: don't put them in my truck, Like I don't.

2745
01:59:36,920 --> 01:59:37,839
Speaker 2: I don't want the evidence.

2746
01:59:37,960 --> 01:59:40,800
Speaker 1: Like, so we go into the team meeting and you know,

2747
01:59:40,880 --> 01:59:43,160
Speaker 1: Bill's he's up there and he's mod he's coaching, and

2748
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:47,640
Speaker 1: so no one's catching it, like the first time it

2749
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:49,760
Speaker 1: flashes over, but you can see the players like, wait,

2750
01:59:49,800 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 1: what did I just did? I just see right there?

2751
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:53,880
Speaker 1: And then you know, Bill's like, go to the next play,

2752
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:56,320
Speaker 1: and then I see the next one comes up. And

2753
01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,200
Speaker 1: then so now like part of the room sees it.

2754
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:00,440
Speaker 1: Now part of the room starts truckling. So now once

2755
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 1: part of room start was like what And so you

2756
02:00:02,680 --> 02:00:04,880
Speaker 1: can see I sat behind and I can see the

2757
02:00:04,920 --> 02:00:08,880
Speaker 1: whisper going through and I'm looking I'm like, oh my lord,

2758
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, he did not And I knew because I

2759
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:13,160
Speaker 1: could look over and light. Always I knew when he

2760
02:00:13,200 --> 02:00:15,480
Speaker 1: was guilty. It was like your kids, right, I always

2761
02:00:15,520 --> 02:00:16,920
Speaker 1: knew when he was guilty. And I was like, I

2762
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:20,080
Speaker 1: can't So I'm staring at him and he won't like

2763
02:00:20,160 --> 02:00:22,120
Speaker 1: I know he can feel that. I know, he can

2764
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:24,560
Speaker 1: feel the heat coming off of me, and he won't

2765
02:00:24,600 --> 02:00:26,400
Speaker 1: look he won't look over and he's just got his

2766
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, his little smirk. And so now eventually everyone's

2767
02:00:30,280 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: everyone's like cracking up and feels like there's like trying.

2768
02:00:36,000 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 1: And then he's like what the he you know, like

2769
02:00:38,520 --> 02:00:41,800
Speaker 1: just goes on the rant. The whole room erupts, and

2770
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:43,240
Speaker 1: it was it was.

2771
02:00:43,320 --> 02:00:46,880
Speaker 2: Unbelievable, it was amazing. It was amazing. What does Bill

2772
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,840
Speaker 2: say to that after like the stime? I think you

2773
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 2: know what he says after that Jesus cry? I think

2774
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:54,040
Speaker 2: you know.

2775
02:00:54,280 --> 02:00:57,160
Speaker 1: But it was that's the thing, like, you know, listen,

2776
02:00:58,160 --> 02:00:59,960
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I know everyone's like, hey, what's

2777
02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,320
Speaker 1: best Bill story? Like all like every like whatever, Like

2778
02:01:02,360 --> 02:01:04,640
Speaker 1: Bill's like my best friends, He's you know, he's like

2779
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: my best friend. Like well, I said, but like the

2780
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: thing like I don't see people say, is like no, no,

2781
02:01:11,960 --> 02:01:14,200
Speaker 1: Bill doing a having a water gun fight in my

2782
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: pool with my kids in the middle of the summer.

2783
02:01:16,120 --> 02:01:18,440
Speaker 1: Like that's the funniest to me. You know, my kids

2784
02:01:18,480 --> 02:01:21,320
Speaker 1: are like dunking them Like that's you know, hysterical. That's

2785
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that's the Bill I know. But I was like, oh,

2786
02:01:23,840 --> 02:01:26,560
Speaker 1: practice and all that stuff, and I go, yeah, but look,

2787
02:01:26,640 --> 02:01:28,320
Speaker 1: it was work. Like we went to work like that's

2788
02:01:28,360 --> 02:01:31,840
Speaker 1: what it was. We we love football, it was our passion.

2789
02:01:31,960 --> 02:01:32,320
Speaker 2: We learned.

2790
02:01:32,360 --> 02:01:34,800
Speaker 1: It was hard, don't get me wrong, Like it was hard.

2791
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:39,400
Speaker 1: Every day was hard. But you guys that you guys

2792
02:01:39,520 --> 02:01:42,400
Speaker 1: made it fun. Like it was just like that was

2793
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:43,680
Speaker 1: the best part of my dad was like I would

2794
02:01:43,720 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 1: get done with the you know, twelve hours, I would

2795
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:49,600
Speaker 1: work at night and I'd be I didn't want to

2796
02:01:49,600 --> 02:01:51,920
Speaker 1: see any the other anybody, the coaches or whatever, and

2797
02:01:52,080 --> 02:01:53,839
Speaker 1: and then you guys would come in and be like, Okay,

2798
02:01:53,880 --> 02:01:56,600
Speaker 1: the players are here, let's go, let's get And that

2799
02:01:56,840 --> 02:01:58,440
Speaker 1: was the great part about it. And that's what was

2800
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:00,640
Speaker 1: so fun. But like stuff like that, it would happen

2801
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:01,400
Speaker 1: all like, you.

2802
02:02:01,440 --> 02:02:06,240
Speaker 2: Know, the pig's head, the pig's head, which one was

2803
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:11,160
Speaker 2: that so light would have pig ROAs, Yeah.

2804
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:15,200
Speaker 1: A friend of ours would have pig ROAs. And all

2805
02:02:15,200 --> 02:02:16,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden there would be a pig head that

2806
02:02:16,440 --> 02:02:18,840
Speaker 1: would show up in the locker room and like because

2807
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:20,760
Speaker 1: you know, we used to have the one door, yeah,

2808
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:22,560
Speaker 1: and you'd open up the door and there's a pig

2809
02:02:22,600 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 1: head sitting in your locker, like right there standing.

2810
02:02:25,600 --> 02:02:28,520
Speaker 2: You know, guy's freaking I mean it was he put

2811
02:02:28,560 --> 02:02:31,280
Speaker 2: a duck, a live duck in someone's locker. One time.

2812
02:02:31,320 --> 02:02:32,520
Speaker 1: I walked out of the I walked out of the

2813
02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:36,080
Speaker 1: meal room and the running back room used to be

2814
02:02:36,160 --> 02:02:38,840
Speaker 1: right there, yea, and Ivan was in there. It was

2815
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:42,440
Speaker 1: late in the afternoon, five so you know, film might yeah,

2816
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 1: film might have been watching. And I look in and

2817
02:02:44,480 --> 02:02:48,520
Speaker 1: Light is literally doing the chicken's He's walking like a

2818
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:51,960
Speaker 1: chicken behind Ivan, and you know, like one of the

2819
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:54,160
Speaker 1: cronies is in there with the camera and he's filming it.

2820
02:02:54,280 --> 02:02:56,880
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm like, what are you doing? Literally

2821
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 1: walking like a chicken in the back of the running

2822
02:02:58,480 --> 02:02:58,800
Speaker 1: back room.

2823
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:00,680
Speaker 2: But get it, to know, a camera? Yeah, getting it.

2824
02:03:00,960 --> 02:03:03,040
Speaker 1: He don't everything, he has it all like he has

2825
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:03,680
Speaker 1: all that stuff.

2826
02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 2: There's some stories that we couldn't tell of how crazy

2827
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:10,240
Speaker 2: Light was about certain things that he did to teammates.

2828
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:13,080
Speaker 2: There was things we couldn't tell. Was there ever a

2829
02:03:13,160 --> 02:03:14,440
Speaker 2: moment We're like, all right, he went too far? This

2830
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:16,280
Speaker 2: is it? Like with Light, he's getting at it, like

2831
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:16,960
Speaker 2: he's getting cut.

2832
02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:20,280
Speaker 1: I would say with Light it was always borderline. The

2833
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:23,800
Speaker 1: stuff that got out of control, which actually ended all

2834
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,360
Speaker 1: of it. Was the quarterbacks that ended it. What happened

2835
02:03:29,280 --> 02:03:31,480
Speaker 1: you You never messed with the guy that had real money, No,

2836
02:03:31,840 --> 02:03:33,600
Speaker 1: because real money could really mess you up.

2837
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, like guys that send moving companies.

2838
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:37,960
Speaker 1: To your house and move all of your furniture out

2839
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:40,160
Speaker 1: onto the front lawn while you were at practice and

2840
02:03:40,240 --> 02:03:43,120
Speaker 1: you go home in your entire house. No, that would

2841
02:03:43,120 --> 02:03:44,920
Speaker 1: cost a normal person like twenty thousand dollars. But you

2842
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:46,800
Speaker 1: know somebody has real money. Like you're messing with the

2843
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:51,120
Speaker 1: wrong person wrong or uh you know you you take

2844
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:54,200
Speaker 1: whatever it was, three of the tires off their.

2845
02:03:54,120 --> 02:03:55,960
Speaker 2: Car and him I remember that.

2846
02:03:56,280 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 1: No, three of them in the locker and the fourth

2847
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 1: ones hidden like in.

2848
02:03:59,080 --> 02:04:01,840
Speaker 2: The stadium ground. Yeah, so you're in the stadium on

2849
02:04:01,920 --> 02:04:02,960
Speaker 2: the stadium grounds.

2850
02:04:03,160 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 1: Or you maybe alter someone's jersey and hang it in

2851
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:11,400
Speaker 1: the shower so that it dries. But when he sweats,

2852
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:15,040
Speaker 1: the smell of how you altered it comes back in

2853
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:17,840
Speaker 1: the middle of practice and you want to throw up

2854
02:04:19,120 --> 02:04:22,520
Speaker 1: the Uh that was? That was the worst? Oh my god,

2855
02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:26,080
Speaker 1: you'd put the you take their mouthpieces and you'd spray

2856
02:04:26,200 --> 02:04:28,120
Speaker 1: with the oldrant because you never put your.

2857
02:04:28,040 --> 02:04:29,760
Speaker 2: Mouthpiece until you got the practice and put them in.

2858
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:31,880
Speaker 2: The odant just sucks, sucks all.

2859
02:04:31,800 --> 02:04:34,320
Speaker 1: The saliva out of your mouth and now you can't

2860
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:35,280
Speaker 1: breathe and you can't.

2861
02:04:35,680 --> 02:04:36,360
Speaker 2: That was a good one.

2862
02:04:36,640 --> 02:04:38,560
Speaker 1: So we are at the Pro Bowl. We're at the

2863
02:04:38,600 --> 02:04:41,400
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl and he's there, and the Pro bowls over,

2864
02:04:41,440 --> 02:04:42,720
Speaker 1: and I can't remember if we were flying home or

2865
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:44,080
Speaker 1: we're just at the after party at the prob I

2866
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:46,040
Speaker 1: think we're at the after party and he and he's

2867
02:04:46,040 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 1: sitting there with us and he goes, watch this. He goes,

2868
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: I got this app and he goes, I'm gonna call

2869
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:53,400
Speaker 1: and Billios across the room and he calls Billy. Oh,

2870
02:04:53,440 --> 02:04:55,800
Speaker 1: but it came up on Billio's phone as Robert Kraft.

2871
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:59,720
Speaker 1: So so you I'm watching it, and Lights like, watch this,

2872
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:02,720
Speaker 1: and so he dials it and you I'm looking at

2873
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Billy and bill Hill was looking ass and he's showing anybody.

2874
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:09,040
Speaker 2: He's like like, Robert's like, what do I what do

2875
02:05:09,160 --> 02:05:09,440
Speaker 2: I do it?

2876
02:05:09,480 --> 02:05:11,760
Speaker 1: And so you can see him like answer and Light's

2877
02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:15,080
Speaker 1: doing like mister Kraft on the other end, like how

2878
02:05:15,160 --> 02:05:17,880
Speaker 1: disappointed he is in the game. And you know, we

2879
02:05:18,080 --> 02:05:20,000
Speaker 1: we needed to show better in the Pro Bowl and

2880
02:05:20,200 --> 02:05:23,440
Speaker 1: Billy's like answering them. I'm dying. I'm like, how is

2881
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:27,400
Speaker 1: this guy have this stuff? It was he was He

2882
02:05:27,560 --> 02:05:28,600
Speaker 1: was absolutely amazing.

2883
02:05:29,120 --> 02:05:31,040
Speaker 2: What did Billy do? What he did? He find out

2884
02:05:31,360 --> 02:05:32,440
Speaker 2: we were dying, we were rolling.

2885
02:05:32,440 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 1: I think I had pictures of that somewhere too, ess,

2886
02:05:35,120 --> 02:05:37,560
Speaker 1: just taking pictures of him as he's answering the phone.

2887
02:05:37,600 --> 02:05:40,960
Speaker 2: But light, Yeah, you had to know.

2888
02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,720
Speaker 1: The quarterback thing was that was crazy. The we used

2889
02:05:44,720 --> 02:05:50,360
Speaker 1: to have the uh the FBI die that would turn purple.

2890
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:52,240
Speaker 1: So they put it in like money bags and like

2891
02:05:52,320 --> 02:05:54,520
Speaker 1: if you got the money bag wet or whatever, then

2892
02:05:54,560 --> 02:05:56,400
Speaker 1: all the money would turn purple. It was. It was

2893
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,400
Speaker 1: like a white powder. Yeah, So you'd put it and

2894
02:05:59,480 --> 02:06:02,960
Speaker 1: everybody's cleats, you know, before you go to practice, so

2895
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:05,440
Speaker 1: you wouldn't know. And now you sweat during training camp

2896
02:06:05,480 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 1: and you come out of training camp in your feet

2897
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:10,920
Speaker 1: or purple and you can't It's like it's like grade

2898
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:13,120
Speaker 1: whatever die. You can't get it off, and you're just

2899
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 1: so you know, like you know, you're walking around the city.

2900
02:06:15,520 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, he got diet, you know, he got it.

2901
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,080
Speaker 1: He got it, you know, he couldn't shot. The worst

2902
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:22,080
Speaker 1: was Pierre this is the worst.

2903
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:25,200
Speaker 2: This is too far. I lived with Pierre Guy. Here's

2904
02:06:25,240 --> 02:06:27,720
Speaker 2: my guy. That's so light.

2905
02:06:28,480 --> 02:06:31,080
Speaker 1: This is so bad. Man Light had this stack of

2906
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:37,360
Speaker 1: lottery tickets that were like fixed, like they were winners,

2907
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:40,560
Speaker 1: and they were like ten million dollars or something crazy.

2908
02:06:41,040 --> 02:06:43,040
Speaker 2: So it's Christmas, I think it was Christmas.

2909
02:06:43,200 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 1: And he's handing out the lottery tickets and Pierre sit

2910
02:06:46,200 --> 02:06:48,920
Speaker 1: at the table and he gets one and he starts

2911
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:52,600
Speaker 1: scratching and he's like and he's scratching a little bit

2912
02:06:52,680 --> 02:06:54,480
Speaker 1: more and he's like scratching again.

2913
02:06:54,560 --> 02:06:56,880
Speaker 2: He's like and he's like, oh my god. He's like

2914
02:06:57,640 --> 02:07:01,320
Speaker 2: I think I just want ten million, like a million dollars, and.

2915
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:04,520
Speaker 1: Like they're letting it go on and on and on

2916
02:07:04,840 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 1: and light, and I'm like, son of them, I'm like,

2917
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:10,040
Speaker 1: that is not cool, bro, way too far.

2918
02:07:10,160 --> 02:07:12,760
Speaker 2: It's not it's way too far. Right there they go

2919
02:07:13,360 --> 02:07:19,640
Speaker 2: to the yeah defensive room saying fuck you. Right, he

2920
02:07:19,800 --> 02:07:21,920
Speaker 2: out of p I'm not playing this week. I'm done.

2921
02:07:22,280 --> 02:07:24,240
Speaker 1: Like I was like, oh my, that one, that one,

2922
02:07:24,320 --> 02:07:25,000
Speaker 1: I felt that one.

2923
02:07:25,120 --> 02:07:26,960
Speaker 2: That one was all right, we gotta get back to this.

2924
02:07:27,440 --> 02:07:30,560
Speaker 2: Can you take us through the sterling more punch? Yeah?

2925
02:07:31,480 --> 02:07:34,200
Speaker 1: So driving in the two minutes and then which you know.

2926
02:07:34,640 --> 02:07:38,120
Speaker 2: Two minutes, right, so driving, lock and combo.

2927
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, lock and combo.

2928
02:07:41,640 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 2: That was the third.

2929
02:07:44,480 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 1: So now they're in the fringe and uh, you know,

2930
02:07:47,640 --> 02:07:49,600
Speaker 1: throw it up to the sideline. It was the far sideline.

2931
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:53,040
Speaker 1: It was their sideline going away from the lighthouse, and uh,

2932
02:07:54,160 --> 02:07:56,879
Speaker 1: we're beat at the line of scrimmage, you know, and Sterling.

2933
02:07:57,520 --> 02:07:57,960
Speaker 2: Sterling.

2934
02:07:58,800 --> 02:08:00,760
Speaker 1: The thing that was so special about him was he

2935
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:03,240
Speaker 1: just had an unbelievable ability to play the hands and

2936
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:06,240
Speaker 1: really he was strong, like his hands, his punched, like

2937
02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,440
Speaker 1: his finished through was really strong, good quickness, good change direction.

2938
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:12,520
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean this is high competition. This

2939
02:08:12,680 --> 02:08:14,320
Speaker 1: is at the end of the game. And so the

2940
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,560
Speaker 1: ball goes up and obviously, you know, it's like trying

2941
02:08:16,560 --> 02:08:19,440
Speaker 1: to go to Super Bowl all that, and you're like,

2942
02:08:19,480 --> 02:08:21,240
Speaker 1: oh my god, we're beat beating the line of scrimmage

2943
02:08:21,240 --> 02:08:25,560
Speaker 1: and he's trailing's in full trail and it just totally casual,

2944
02:08:26,000 --> 02:08:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, drops in and here, and then I was like,

2945
02:08:28,920 --> 02:08:30,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's gonna knock it out.

2946
02:08:30,680 --> 02:08:31,160
Speaker 2: And I knew.

2947
02:08:31,160 --> 02:08:33,520
Speaker 1: I just knew it was like because we saw it

2948
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:37,440
Speaker 1: in practice. All he timed it so perfectly. As he

2949
02:08:37,520 --> 02:08:40,080
Speaker 1: chopped through and it is literally, you know, they did

2950
02:08:40,080 --> 02:08:41,560
Speaker 1: a whole science thing. I think he has been like

2951
02:08:41,560 --> 02:08:44,400
Speaker 1: the whole like whatever breakdown of the science behind how

2952
02:08:44,480 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 1: fast he did it before the second foot came down

2953
02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:48,280
Speaker 1: and he knocked it out in the control and the

2954
02:08:48,320 --> 02:08:51,680
Speaker 1: whole thing. That was just one of those plays where

2955
02:08:51,680 --> 02:08:54,920
Speaker 1: I was like, somebody helped us right there, like you know, somebody,

2956
02:08:55,560 --> 02:08:57,080
Speaker 1: you know, because we were beat you know that should

2957
02:08:57,120 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 1: have should have won. Yeah, Myra made up and then

2958
02:09:00,080 --> 02:09:02,320
Speaker 1: know we needed on the fourth down on the field goal,

2959
02:09:02,360 --> 02:09:04,480
Speaker 1: and she did it again. So I think the Sterling

2960
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:06,360
Speaker 1: more like you know, you think about plays in the

2961
02:09:06,440 --> 02:09:09,520
Speaker 1: NFL that happened for this game for me, you know,

2962
02:09:09,840 --> 02:09:11,680
Speaker 1: you finally coming along and being the guy that I

2963
02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:12,960
Speaker 1: was like, all right, we got a two way player.

2964
02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:15,160
Speaker 1: Let's go and if we're gonna do this on defense, right,

2965
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:18,640
Speaker 1: Sterling Moore. The legacy of Sterling Moore is really solidified

2966
02:09:18,680 --> 02:09:20,880
Speaker 1: in this game. Right, So this is his you know

2967
02:09:21,200 --> 02:09:22,920
Speaker 1: game that people know who he is.

2968
02:09:23,240 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 2: And then.

2969
02:09:25,080 --> 02:09:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, I were pushing the ball a little bit

2970
02:09:27,240 --> 02:09:29,200
Speaker 1: to the left, miss field goal and miss in the

2971
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:31,600
Speaker 1: field goal, and we're we're going back to the Super.

2972
02:09:31,400 --> 02:09:34,240
Speaker 2: Bowl now, what are you doing pre snap before that?

2973
02:09:34,400 --> 02:09:38,320
Speaker 2: Are you going over your potential before the kick? Are

2974
02:09:38,360 --> 02:09:41,200
Speaker 2: you going over potential calls in all over time?

2975
02:09:41,280 --> 02:09:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these situations, I'm always panicked, right, so I'm

2976
02:09:44,080 --> 02:09:46,440
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm never watching the kick. I'm always thinking, like,

2977
02:09:46,440 --> 02:09:48,480
Speaker 1: all right, it's tied. They get the ball, how are

2978
02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,400
Speaker 1: we gonna you know, how we're gonna play the next series,

2979
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:53,480
Speaker 1: which probably drove everybody crazy, and certainly you know, Boyer

2980
02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 1: is the one that had to keep me calm because

2981
02:09:54,920 --> 02:09:55,760
Speaker 1: I'll be like talking to playing.

2982
02:09:55,880 --> 02:09:56,760
Speaker 2: Look, they get the ball.

2983
02:09:56,800 --> 02:09:57,920
Speaker 1: We got to do that, and all the players like,

2984
02:09:57,920 --> 02:09:58,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk to you right now, Like

2985
02:09:59,000 --> 02:10:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm watching the kick, and I'm like I

2986
02:10:01,080 --> 02:10:03,000
Speaker 1: can't watch the kick, like I gotta do something to

2987
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:03,800
Speaker 1: take my mind off.

2988
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:06,000
Speaker 2: It was no different than the Super Bowls. We were

2989
02:10:06,040 --> 02:10:07,280
Speaker 2: in the same thing happened, ye.

2990
02:10:08,200 --> 02:10:10,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, so I didn't really I just wait for

2991
02:10:10,920 --> 02:10:13,760
Speaker 1: the reaction to know where we're going with it. So yeah,

2992
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:14,880
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta stay busy.

2993
02:10:15,480 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 2: That was crazy. We missed that. That was for them

2994
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:19,640
Speaker 2: to tie it. Everyone thinks for them to win it.

2995
02:10:20,480 --> 02:10:25,240
Speaker 2: I was just to tie it. That was that was

2996
02:10:25,400 --> 02:10:28,840
Speaker 2: like a crazy year for us to aftermath because there

2997
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:31,040
Speaker 2: was that drought. There was a there was a fucking

2998
02:10:31,120 --> 02:10:35,440
Speaker 2: drought from that seven to that, and it was kind

2999
02:10:35,480 --> 02:10:38,280
Speaker 2: of a new team, we're rebuilding, you know. We got

3000
02:10:38,320 --> 02:10:39,320
Speaker 2: to the end of nine.

3001
02:10:39,320 --> 02:10:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, Bill and I just kind of looked at

3002
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:42,280
Speaker 1: it and said, all right, we gotta we gotta start over,

3003
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:43,680
Speaker 1: you know. And it was just like, all right, how

3004
02:10:43,680 --> 02:10:45,040
Speaker 1: we're going to rebuild the roster? What are we going

3005
02:10:45,080 --> 02:10:46,520
Speaker 1: to do with the pieces we got? Where do we

3006
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:48,400
Speaker 1: gotta go? How do we you know, what do we

3007
02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,600
Speaker 1: want to be? You know, where's the league going? It

3008
02:10:50,680 --> 02:10:52,400
Speaker 1: was a great thing. They always knew kind of like, hey,

3009
02:10:52,920 --> 02:10:55,080
Speaker 1: the league's gonna shift here, shift this direction, and we

3010
02:10:55,080 --> 02:10:56,680
Speaker 1: would always try to stay in front of that. Or

3011
02:10:56,960 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 1: The big thing for us really after this was it

3012
02:11:00,280 --> 02:11:03,280
Speaker 1: was really probably this year. We were so predominantly base

3013
02:11:03,400 --> 02:11:05,640
Speaker 1: three to four defense at that point because there was

3014
02:11:05,640 --> 02:11:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot of twenty one and twelve and twenty two,

3015
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, Baltimore to play twenty two personnel, and half

3016
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:14,240
Speaker 1: of the league at one point was playing three four.

3017
02:11:14,280 --> 02:11:16,560
Speaker 1: Whether it was branches of our coaching staff that was

3018
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:19,680
Speaker 1: out there or Pittsburgh's it just became harder in the

3019
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:22,640
Speaker 1: draft to find outside linebackers, you know, so we kind

3020
02:11:22,680 --> 02:11:24,440
Speaker 1: of switched. Two thousand and eleven, we played like really

3021
02:11:24,640 --> 02:11:26,360
Speaker 1: like one outside linebacker. We played more of a four

3022
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:29,120
Speaker 1: man line, kind of like four to three. And then

3023
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 1: after this, because of twelve personnel and the way that

3024
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:34,200
Speaker 1: was going, it was easier for us to get in

3025
02:11:34,240 --> 02:11:36,280
Speaker 1: a four down front and play the big nickel. The

3026
02:11:36,360 --> 02:11:39,800
Speaker 1: sub packages still had base and so after this year,

3027
02:11:40,040 --> 02:11:42,200
Speaker 1: I really I went in and I was like, look,

3028
02:11:42,240 --> 02:11:43,920
Speaker 1: every training camp we started with the same run fits,

3029
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:46,240
Speaker 1: we start with the same install I said, I'm scrapping

3030
02:11:46,280 --> 02:11:47,680
Speaker 1: all that. I'm like, we're going to start and sub

3031
02:11:47,960 --> 02:11:51,480
Speaker 1: you know. And I started to change the defense. Twenty twelve,

3032
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:53,640
Speaker 1: we got some more pieces. I got high you know,

3033
02:11:54,320 --> 02:11:57,480
Speaker 1: Chandler that year, and those were new pieces of the

3034
02:11:57,520 --> 02:11:59,800
Speaker 1: defense I was really able to create. Then the next

3035
02:12:00,200 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 1: Jamie came in, we got to leave. That changed another

3036
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:04,800
Speaker 1: piece for me. I started sending the linebackers what's called

3037
02:12:04,880 --> 02:12:09,120
Speaker 1: like people call like sim pressures. Now, we were doing

3038
02:12:09,160 --> 02:12:11,520
Speaker 1: those in twenty thirteen, you know, and it basically it's

3039
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 1: a sim pressure, so where you know what it is,

3040
02:12:14,200 --> 02:12:18,240
Speaker 1: So basically it looks like five man rush pressure, but

3041
02:12:18,320 --> 02:12:20,400
Speaker 1: it's actually four and someone else is dropping out, and

3042
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,240
Speaker 1: you're trying to really mess with the protections. And one

3043
02:12:23,280 --> 02:12:24,320
Speaker 1: of the things I found out.

3044
02:12:24,960 --> 02:12:28,360
Speaker 2: They're changing is they don't know which guy's dropping out.

3045
02:12:28,520 --> 02:12:31,160
Speaker 2: That's what people So that's why when you say you're

3046
02:12:31,160 --> 02:12:36,920
Speaker 2: trying to mess with protections, there's five guys coming, the

3047
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:40,200
Speaker 2: offensive line can pick them up. But if you they

3048
02:12:40,240 --> 02:12:43,400
Speaker 2: don't know which guy's not coming, or you're dropping someone

3049
02:12:43,640 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 2: and you have someone do something, then it confuses their protection.

3050
02:12:46,720 --> 02:12:48,160
Speaker 2: And that's when guys come out free.

3051
02:12:48,280 --> 02:12:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the quarterback throws pick, I mean Rob pick

3052
02:12:50,360 --> 02:12:52,440
Speaker 1: against Peyton. Yeah, you know, I dropped them. That was

3053
02:12:52,440 --> 02:12:55,400
Speaker 1: a sim But the thing that was happening was I

3054
02:12:55,600 --> 02:12:59,400
Speaker 1: was doing all of sub defense in this in this timeline,

3055
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:02,440
Speaker 1: but I was using three four principles. So in three

3056
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,560
Speaker 1: four you got the three down, but you don't know

3057
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:06,680
Speaker 1: where the fourth rushers coming from, and so it was

3058
02:13:06,720 --> 02:13:08,520
Speaker 1: just calls on the field based on formation and things

3059
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:10,720
Speaker 1: like that. So I just took that principle and I

3060
02:13:10,800 --> 02:13:13,800
Speaker 1: basically went to two four defense. So the two defensive

3061
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:15,840
Speaker 1: tackles because I had Rob on the left, Chan was

3062
02:13:15,920 --> 02:13:18,160
Speaker 1: on the right, but then Chan got hurt. You know,

3063
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:20,640
Speaker 1: when we bring in a key marriage who's another outside

3064
02:13:20,680 --> 02:13:23,280
Speaker 1: linebacker type. So it was like I had four backers

3065
02:13:23,320 --> 02:13:25,920
Speaker 1: on the field. Now I've got Jamie and High behind

3066
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:28,000
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. And I realized, hey, when the

3067
02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:31,520
Speaker 1: protection slide's going here the he's got a block Jamie

3068
02:13:31,560 --> 02:13:33,880
Speaker 1: or High Tower. So I was like, look, just make

3069
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:36,040
Speaker 1: a call drop him. He knows what the drop is

3070
02:13:36,440 --> 02:13:39,440
Speaker 1: outside linebacker. Just switch it on the field, you go

3071
02:13:39,720 --> 02:13:42,320
Speaker 1: run over the back and go, you know, get the quarterback.

3072
02:13:42,680 --> 02:13:45,800
Speaker 1: So we just created all of the on field communication

3073
02:13:45,960 --> 02:13:48,520
Speaker 1: calls really out of a two four system is what

3074
02:13:48,640 --> 02:13:51,800
Speaker 1: it was. And then you know eventually that because you

3075
02:13:51,840 --> 02:13:53,600
Speaker 1: have to have run fits on all this, you know,

3076
02:13:53,640 --> 02:13:55,400
Speaker 1: I moved the defensive tackle on the weak side. He

3077
02:13:55,480 --> 02:13:57,320
Speaker 1: started from like a shade to a two wide to

3078
02:13:57,400 --> 02:14:00,360
Speaker 1: a two and then eventually two threes. You know, through

3079
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:04,240
Speaker 1: thirteen what we had Tleeb who changed the coverage. So

3080
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:05,720
Speaker 1: now we go from a two and a three team

3081
02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:10,600
Speaker 1: to really a cover one team man middlefield, safety, help zone, middlefield,

3082
02:14:10,640 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 1: but lock it up on the backside with him. You know,

3083
02:14:12,920 --> 02:14:15,800
Speaker 1: Rebus comes in in fourteen, the defense takes another real

3084
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:18,080
Speaker 1: kind of progression to five down looks.

3085
02:14:18,360 --> 02:14:19,160
Speaker 2: We had all the six.

3086
02:14:19,120 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 1: Uplooks at double muggs, all that was in there from

3087
02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:23,720
Speaker 1: two thousand and four, So I just used all those

3088
02:14:24,240 --> 02:14:27,320
Speaker 1: and then the five down looks where I could reduce

3089
02:14:27,400 --> 02:14:29,800
Speaker 1: Chandler walk now Jamie and high up on the edge

3090
02:14:30,160 --> 02:14:32,280
Speaker 1: because now they had to go five down protection. Now

3091
02:14:32,320 --> 02:14:34,200
Speaker 1: I'm setting the other one through the middle because now

3092
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:36,240
Speaker 1: he's back on the back. I'm using the same rush

3093
02:14:36,280 --> 02:14:38,680
Speaker 1: calls to just drop whoever I wanted to. So they

3094
02:14:38,720 --> 02:14:40,400
Speaker 1: had like four different looks and we're just messing with

3095
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:44,040
Speaker 1: the front, moving the coverage behind it, and just evolving

3096
02:14:44,080 --> 02:14:46,880
Speaker 1: the defense. We get to the Super Bowl, we're playing

3097
02:14:46,920 --> 02:14:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of five down but now I've got the

3098
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:50,720
Speaker 1: quarterback readoption, so I kick both of the tackles out

3099
02:14:50,760 --> 02:14:52,800
Speaker 1: to three techniques. We go into you know, we call

3100
02:14:52,840 --> 02:14:55,160
Speaker 1: like ball and chain, where now I'm sending the linebacker

3101
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:57,080
Speaker 1: through the middle and the other guy's rapping fast over

3102
02:14:57,120 --> 02:14:59,600
Speaker 1: the top. So that's how that stopped that whole.

3103
02:14:59,480 --> 02:15:00,200
Speaker 2: Run system them.

3104
02:15:00,520 --> 02:15:03,760
Speaker 1: You know in the Super Bowl, which one the Seattle fourteen,

3105
02:15:04,320 --> 02:15:06,760
Speaker 1: and then by the time we get to fifteen, we're

3106
02:15:06,840 --> 02:15:09,160
Speaker 1: running that. We had some injuries, we get to sixteen.

3107
02:15:09,240 --> 02:15:11,400
Speaker 1: Now we're more five down and then six up. Looks

3108
02:15:12,440 --> 02:15:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, branch, We're just we just kept evolving, you know,

3109
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:15,280
Speaker 1: and just it.

3110
02:15:15,320 --> 02:15:18,720
Speaker 2: Was always when we started being like me because the league,

3111
02:15:19,400 --> 02:15:24,560
Speaker 2: the offenses were changing. Yeah, like this game, we're all twelve.

3112
02:15:25,000 --> 02:15:26,400
Speaker 2: By the time of the end of my career, we

3113
02:15:26,480 --> 02:15:28,680
Speaker 2: were having like seven dbs on the fucking field. Yep,

3114
02:15:29,040 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, because the game has changed that much from

3115
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:36,320
Speaker 2: you know, Space Game eleven personnel. Now there's four wides groups.

3116
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:39,880
Speaker 2: But if we see, if we all take a real

3117
02:15:40,040 --> 02:15:43,880
Speaker 2: look at all the dominant teams, they're all still using

3118
02:15:43,880 --> 02:15:46,480
Speaker 2: the old ship. Yeah, because it goes and flows now

3119
02:15:46,520 --> 02:15:49,160
Speaker 2: everyone you know, the fullbacks coming back where you could

3120
02:15:49,160 --> 02:15:51,600
Speaker 2: blow up these small linebackas defense.

3121
02:15:52,320 --> 02:15:54,480
Speaker 1: So when you put twenty one in the field, what

3122
02:15:54,640 --> 02:15:57,360
Speaker 1: was happening is your three calls? Yeah, you just don't

3123
02:15:57,400 --> 02:15:59,400
Speaker 1: have the time during the week, so you know, offensively,

3124
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,280
Speaker 1: Hey we put this unit out there, it's gonna be

3125
02:16:01,320 --> 02:16:03,680
Speaker 1: one of three calls. All well, let's get our keys.

3126
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:05,880
Speaker 1: We know how we're gonna attack this. You know, you

3127
02:16:06,000 --> 02:16:09,320
Speaker 1: stay in eleven. You let us run our sub packages.

3128
02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,760
Speaker 1: You have could be four down, it could be six up.

3129
02:16:11,800 --> 02:16:13,920
Speaker 1: It could be five down, it could be odd spacing,

3130
02:16:14,040 --> 02:16:15,720
Speaker 1: we could be in a buck. Look, you know you

3131
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,880
Speaker 1: have all those plus all the disguises behind it that

3132
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:20,760
Speaker 1: we were using, and the on the field because we

3133
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:23,400
Speaker 1: had smart players on the field. Calls where we're swapping

3134
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:26,120
Speaker 1: and switching, that's a lot. That's a lot to deal with.

3135
02:16:26,360 --> 02:16:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we drafted. We drafted the one, I mean,

3136
02:16:29,000 --> 02:16:30,920
Speaker 2: Jamie Collins, high tow so.

3137
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:34,240
Speaker 1: Just all those guys I kept, you know, we drafted

3138
02:16:34,280 --> 02:16:37,640
Speaker 1: Chandler Syracuse guy. I was like, you know, we drafted

3139
02:16:37,680 --> 02:16:42,000
Speaker 1: pass rusher finally, but then I loved Dante like I was,

3140
02:16:42,840 --> 02:16:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, he was the guy just washing on tape.

3141
02:16:44,320 --> 02:16:46,800
Speaker 1: And again there was there was there was an outside

3142
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:48,959
Speaker 1: linebacker from Alabama that was getting all the press swept.

3143
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:51,880
Speaker 2: We went to Baltimore, but I loved high like. I

3144
02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,400
Speaker 2: was like, Hi, I will be the next signal caller.

3145
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:54,640
Speaker 1: He's gonna be the guy stands in front of the

3146
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:56,800
Speaker 1: huddle and he's gonna be the guy I talked to.

3147
02:16:56,920 --> 02:16:59,080
Speaker 1: And he could play on the edge, you could play

3148
02:16:59,160 --> 02:17:01,240
Speaker 1: like the versatility guys. Because then I got van neyd

3149
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:03,880
Speaker 1: right and he was another versatility guy. Or you know,

3150
02:17:03,959 --> 02:17:06,760
Speaker 1: I just kept getting again we'd get however we could.

3151
02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:08,200
Speaker 1: But I was like, okay, what's the role, what can

3152
02:17:08,240 --> 02:17:09,800
Speaker 1: they do? How can they get on the field. How

3153
02:17:09,840 --> 02:17:12,200
Speaker 1: does it help us win? And that was so fun

3154
02:17:12,240 --> 02:17:14,920
Speaker 1: about the creativity. I got Steph so we could stay

3155
02:17:14,959 --> 02:17:16,720
Speaker 1: in more of the lock up stuff with him. We

3156
02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:18,520
Speaker 1: could push coverage, we could have help. Devon was in

3157
02:17:18,560 --> 02:17:20,640
Speaker 1: the deep part of the field. Pat was Pat Chung

3158
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:22,320
Speaker 1: was the key to all of it, you know, playing

3159
02:17:22,360 --> 02:17:24,640
Speaker 1: the safety position, and we could you know, just keep

3160
02:17:24,879 --> 02:17:26,560
Speaker 1: working around whatever pieces we had.

3161
02:17:26,640 --> 02:17:27,800
Speaker 2: And that was the fun.

3162
02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:29,320
Speaker 1: Like that just it was so much fun to like

3163
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:32,760
Speaker 1: do that stuff and then create and we would you know,

3164
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:34,920
Speaker 1: we do all those buttz pick up stuff before practice.

3165
02:17:34,920 --> 02:17:37,200
Speaker 1: So I'd be trying stuff out against the offense and

3166
02:17:37,400 --> 02:17:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, everybody get all mad and were like this

3167
02:17:39,680 --> 02:17:41,039
Speaker 1: is what are we seeing. I'm like, well, if you.

3168
02:17:41,040 --> 02:17:42,560
Speaker 2: Can't pick it up, then I think's probably gonna work.

3169
02:17:42,600 --> 02:17:42,959
Speaker 2: Walk through.

3170
02:17:45,040 --> 02:17:47,160
Speaker 1: This is the worst one. The worst one was were

3171
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:52,199
Speaker 1: Mayo so I called I called double Mug. He walks

3172
02:17:52,280 --> 02:17:54,800
Speaker 1: up inside. I forgot who the other inside backer was

3173
02:17:55,760 --> 02:17:58,039
Speaker 1: and Rob's on one side, chains on the other outside

3174
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,480
Speaker 1: and it was it was Josh Gooje. So we're we're

3175
02:18:01,520 --> 02:18:05,959
Speaker 1: doing the right pre practice and so make a protection call.

3176
02:18:06,400 --> 02:18:08,920
Speaker 1: So Mayo looks at Rob and goes switch. So they switch.

3177
02:18:09,040 --> 02:18:11,520
Speaker 1: Mayo walks up outside, Rob comes inside. So now the

3178
02:18:11,600 --> 02:18:14,760
Speaker 1: offense is changing it again, right, So now Rob switches inside.

3179
02:18:15,520 --> 02:18:18,200
Speaker 1: So we changed it again on offense and then I

3180
02:18:18,240 --> 02:18:20,440
Speaker 1: looked at Mayo and I go, you know, it's like chaos,

3181
02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:23,200
Speaker 1: like move it all. So Mao flips everybody. So Mayo

3182
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:27,520
Speaker 1: goes outside, the chandler goes inside. Rob goes back outside,

3183
02:18:27,600 --> 02:18:29,879
Speaker 1: like all four And it was like a three hour argument.

3184
02:18:30,280 --> 02:18:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Gooje and.

3185
02:18:31,360 --> 02:18:33,000
Speaker 1: Josh on how they were going to pick it up.

3186
02:18:33,200 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 1: And honestly, we didn't do anything, like we're just down operation.

3187
02:18:38,920 --> 02:18:42,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're you're you're practicing communication and that's like

3188
02:18:42,879 --> 02:18:46,560
Speaker 2: eighty percent of defense is community being able tonicate of

3189
02:18:46,560 --> 02:18:48,680
Speaker 2: the most athletic dudes on the field. But I always

3190
02:18:48,680 --> 02:18:51,880
Speaker 2: say they're the dumbest guys. I know, dumbest guys.

3191
02:18:51,920 --> 02:18:52,160
Speaker 1: I know.

3192
02:18:52,560 --> 02:18:56,200
Speaker 2: Here we go again, you know, I mean locking combo.

3193
02:18:56,280 --> 02:18:59,199
Speaker 2: The receiver on the fucking field that doesn't play dB

3194
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:02,160
Speaker 2: did the right call, and the guy who plays it

3195
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:04,680
Speaker 2: for a lot of living and making lots of money

3196
02:19:05,240 --> 02:19:06,879
Speaker 2: didn't get the call like it just.

3197
02:19:07,040 --> 02:19:09,280
Speaker 1: Just run a step. I mean, if you've been running

3198
02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:12,480
Speaker 1: that since you're in third grade, exactly, very well.

3199
02:19:12,840 --> 02:19:15,360
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3201
02:19:19,680 --> 02:19:26,000
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3202
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:31,039
Speaker 2: walk us through the Malcolm Butler situation? Yea, the interception

3203
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:35,920
Speaker 2: in in fourteen on the Super Bowl, that whole sequence

3204
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,480
Speaker 2: of plays and what do you got on that?

3205
02:19:39,200 --> 02:19:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously you're talking about great games, and certainly

3206
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:45,400
Speaker 1: the eleven Baltimore team and and the Y and all

3207
02:19:45,400 --> 02:19:47,640
Speaker 1: of it. That's why I love that one. And obviously

3208
02:19:47,720 --> 02:19:50,080
Speaker 1: you so I thought that'd be a great one. But

3209
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:53,840
Speaker 1: you know these the fourteen game, the sixteen game, you know,

3210
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:57,480
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. There's there's some crazy, crazy stuff that

3211
02:19:57,640 --> 02:20:01,240
Speaker 1: just happened in those games. And the thing about the

3212
02:20:01,320 --> 02:20:07,240
Speaker 1: fourteen Super Bowl with Seattle. So going back to around

3213
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:09,280
Speaker 1: this time, really when I took over the defense eleven

3214
02:20:09,400 --> 02:20:12,280
Speaker 1: and ten, they would come to me every training camp

3215
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:14,880
Speaker 1: and again in the Bible had all the calls and

3216
02:20:15,000 --> 02:20:17,680
Speaker 1: he'd be like, hey, it's like we really every training

3217
02:20:17,720 --> 02:20:19,640
Speaker 1: camp hey, when are we putting goal line three corner in?

3218
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:22,000
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, yeah, we got to get that in.

3219
02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:23,640
Speaker 1: We gotta get I'm like, we're never gonna run goal

3220
02:20:23,720 --> 02:20:25,640
Speaker 1: line three corner like it's eleven personnel, Like I'm not

3221
02:20:25,720 --> 02:20:28,080
Speaker 1: doing it, like they're gonna throw, like it's just the

3222
02:20:28,120 --> 02:20:31,560
Speaker 1: whole thing. So for years I was like, yeah, it's

3223
02:20:31,600 --> 02:20:33,720
Speaker 1: going at like we never got it in. So as

3224
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:36,520
Speaker 1: soon as we win the championship game and I'm like

3225
02:20:36,600 --> 02:20:38,280
Speaker 1: I knew we were playing Seattle and walked into the

3226
02:20:38,320 --> 02:20:42,119
Speaker 1: defensive staff from I go, you're not gonna believe I'm

3227
02:20:42,120 --> 02:20:44,600
Speaker 1: about to say, and they're like what And I'm like,

3228
02:20:45,280 --> 02:20:47,120
Speaker 1: we got to put goal line three corner in And

3229
02:20:47,200 --> 02:20:49,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you talking about. I'm like, we're

3230
02:20:49,240 --> 02:20:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna need this call in this game. I'm just telling you, like,

3231
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:54,080
Speaker 1: we can't. We can't go eleven personnel and not have

3232
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:57,039
Speaker 1: as much mass on the field. I'm like, we got

3233
02:20:57,160 --> 02:21:01,440
Speaker 1: to figure this out. So I knew like that Monday

3234
02:21:01,480 --> 02:21:03,080
Speaker 1: and everyone was like, there's no way you're gonna call this,

3235
02:21:03,120 --> 02:21:04,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm just telling you we're gonna need

3236
02:21:04,879 --> 02:21:07,680
Speaker 1: this call, So start drawing it up.

3237
02:21:07,640 --> 02:21:08,240
Speaker 2: Going through the card.

3238
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:10,840
Speaker 1: I think you need the call because I knew that

3239
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:12,600
Speaker 1: no one had seen it.

3240
02:21:12,920 --> 02:21:16,720
Speaker 2: We hadn't run it. We hadn't run this call. Need

3241
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:17,000
Speaker 2: that call.

3242
02:21:17,320 --> 02:21:20,880
Speaker 1: Just eleven personnel inside the three yard line trying to

3243
02:21:20,959 --> 02:21:24,920
Speaker 1: be able to stop Lynch the quarterback run game, the

3244
02:21:25,040 --> 02:21:27,480
Speaker 1: receivers that are on the field if you were going

3245
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:29,440
Speaker 1: to go sub defense on the two yard line, Like

3246
02:21:29,720 --> 02:21:31,760
Speaker 1: just too much space. There's just too much space. Like

3247
02:21:31,800 --> 02:21:34,560
Speaker 1: he's just he's too good. Remember, like I played Lynch

3248
02:21:34,600 --> 02:21:35,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of years. When he's at Buffalo, like

3249
02:21:35,959 --> 02:21:37,800
Speaker 1: my happiest day. When Buffalo sent him to Seattle, I

3250
02:21:37,879 --> 02:21:40,720
Speaker 1: was like thank like m send flowers to Buffalo, like

3251
02:21:40,760 --> 02:21:42,959
Speaker 1: get him out of because this guy is unstoppable. I'm

3252
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:47,640
Speaker 1: like that guy was so good, so good. So I

3253
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:51,240
Speaker 1: just needed to have enough size to stop the line

3254
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:54,000
Speaker 1: of scrimmage from moving. And I couldn't give up any space.

3255
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:56,240
Speaker 1: And I also knew that no one had seen it,

3256
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:58,440
Speaker 1: and it was going to be one of those calls

3257
02:21:58,480 --> 02:22:00,640
Speaker 1: where I was gonna make them pay, like they were

3258
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna panic. I wasn't sure what they're gonna do. We knew,

3259
02:22:03,640 --> 02:22:06,160
Speaker 1: you know that they would have a check, which they did.

3260
02:22:06,440 --> 02:22:08,880
Speaker 1: We knew we'd kind of get him into that throw

3261
02:22:09,040 --> 02:22:13,000
Speaker 1: the rubb route. So we get we probably, I draw

3262
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:14,560
Speaker 1: it all up, I get it ready to go. We

3263
02:22:14,680 --> 02:22:17,320
Speaker 1: go down. I remember we practiced like three days before

3264
02:22:17,320 --> 02:22:19,040
Speaker 1: we leave, and then we go and I kind of

3265
02:22:19,080 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 1: told everybody, I'm like, look, we're gonna put this in

3266
02:22:20,440 --> 02:22:22,039
Speaker 1: as soon as we get down there. But I wanted

3267
02:22:22,040 --> 02:22:23,680
Speaker 1: the week to really work through all the problems, like

3268
02:22:23,760 --> 02:22:26,000
Speaker 1: that's just kind of my problem solving. I wasn't gonna

3269
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,280
Speaker 1: give it to the guys and then change it. So

3270
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:32,360
Speaker 1: we get down to Arizona, and you know, I put

3271
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:33,680
Speaker 1: it in and I kind of had the guys in

3272
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:36,879
Speaker 1: the right spot that I thought. We practiced it. Now,

3273
02:22:36,920 --> 02:22:38,680
Speaker 1: we ran that pick route. We ran it like and

3274
02:22:38,920 --> 02:22:40,640
Speaker 1: of course, of course we're into the cards, but like

3275
02:22:41,160 --> 02:22:42,480
Speaker 1: we that was like one of those cards like we

3276
02:22:42,520 --> 02:22:43,039
Speaker 1: need to see.

3277
02:22:42,879 --> 02:22:44,480
Speaker 2: This card, like this is this is voices.

3278
02:22:45,760 --> 02:22:49,000
Speaker 1: We did, and the thing was everybody saw it, like

3279
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:51,440
Speaker 1: it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it. We

3280
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:55,840
Speaker 1: ran all the combinations. So we get into the game,

3281
02:22:57,080 --> 02:22:58,120
Speaker 1: or we get we get to the end of the

3282
02:22:58,160 --> 02:22:59,320
Speaker 1: week of practice and I looked at it and I

3283
02:22:59,400 --> 02:23:00,880
Speaker 1: was like, I don't there something here. I don't really

3284
02:23:01,000 --> 02:23:03,840
Speaker 1: like I need to move, you know. I switched Jamie.

3285
02:23:03,879 --> 02:23:05,680
Speaker 1: I switched him, I switched high. I kind of moved

3286
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,720
Speaker 1: somebody up and I kind of switched it. After we

3287
02:23:07,840 --> 02:23:09,320
Speaker 1: practiced it like the last day and we kind of

3288
02:23:09,360 --> 02:23:10,720
Speaker 1: just walked through it, and I was like, all right,

3289
02:23:11,120 --> 02:23:13,120
Speaker 1: because it was really about stopping the run. It was

3290
02:23:13,120 --> 02:23:15,280
Speaker 1: going to stop the run, and really the combination with

3291
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:16,960
Speaker 1: it to that side was the snack m flat. I

3292
02:23:16,959 --> 02:23:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't worry about the other side because we knew what that.

3293
02:23:18,879 --> 02:23:22,000
Speaker 2: Was, so practice it changed it.

3294
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:25,160
Speaker 1: At the last minute, I was like, okay, like it's ready,

3295
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:27,400
Speaker 1: we're gonna I'm gonna need this. And it's literally written,

3296
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:29,480
Speaker 1: it's like three letters in the bottom right hand corner

3297
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:31,720
Speaker 1: of the call sheet. It's like the most tiniest call

3298
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:35,400
Speaker 1: on the sheet. So beginning of the game, we had

3299
02:23:35,440 --> 02:23:37,000
Speaker 1: talked about how tough this game was going to be.

3300
02:23:37,080 --> 02:23:38,480
Speaker 1: The first play of the game is my favorite play

3301
02:23:38,480 --> 02:23:40,600
Speaker 1: of the game. Like you watched the defensive guys because

3302
02:23:40,600 --> 02:23:44,200
Speaker 1: we knew their offensive line looked to clean clean the pile.

3303
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:45,800
Speaker 1: So as soon as Lunch got the ball, they were

3304
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:49,560
Speaker 1: coming to take people out. And I was like, look,

3305
02:23:49,600 --> 02:23:50,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna taggle this dude in the first play of

3306
02:23:51,000 --> 02:23:52,520
Speaker 1: the game. I'm like, but as soon as he's down,

3307
02:23:52,560 --> 02:23:54,920
Speaker 1: everybody else go find someone, Go find someone, and go

3308
02:23:55,360 --> 02:23:58,000
Speaker 1: knock their heads off because they're not doing that to us.

3309
02:23:58,440 --> 02:23:59,879
Speaker 1: And to the point of like one of my favorite

3310
02:23:59,879 --> 02:24:02,320
Speaker 1: compliments of all time, and it was probably in the

3311
02:24:02,400 --> 02:24:06,920
Speaker 1: twelve era, was Chris Berman, who's a great guy, great friend,

3312
02:24:07,000 --> 02:24:08,720
Speaker 1: came up to me and he goes, he said to me,

3313
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:11,279
Speaker 1: he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL,

3314
02:24:11,680 --> 02:24:14,280
Speaker 1: And I was like, if our corners tackled a high level,

3315
02:24:14,320 --> 02:24:16,000
Speaker 1: the whole team's going to tackle a high level. I

3316
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:17,840
Speaker 1: just I took so much pride in that. So in

3317
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:20,840
Speaker 1: that first player of the Super Bowl and fourteen, we

3318
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:23,960
Speaker 1: tackle inch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take

3319
02:24:24,040 --> 02:24:26,640
Speaker 1: dudes out, and like Revis is like taking He's going

3320
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:28,640
Speaker 1: to get like one of the biggest linemen, you know,

3321
02:24:28,720 --> 02:24:30,880
Speaker 1: the tackles that had that's coming. So I'm like, okay,

3322
02:24:31,240 --> 02:24:34,360
Speaker 1: like we're on this right, Like we're we're coming. So

3323
02:24:35,240 --> 02:24:39,760
Speaker 1: we get into the second half and you know, going

3324
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,680
Speaker 1: into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right

3325
02:24:43,879 --> 02:24:45,920
Speaker 1: and they scored right before half.

3326
02:24:46,000 --> 02:24:49,200
Speaker 2: I was I was hot, it was hot. This was bad.

3327
02:24:49,400 --> 02:24:52,840
Speaker 1: There's a bad series of bad play. So I am literally,

3328
02:24:53,480 --> 02:24:56,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm, I'm like, we're changing, like I'm

3329
02:24:56,040 --> 02:24:58,200
Speaker 1: switching some guys up. Malcolm is gonna come in the

3330
02:24:58,280 --> 02:25:03,520
Speaker 1: whole deal. So get into the second half and they

3331
02:25:03,600 --> 02:25:05,200
Speaker 1: have It was kind of back and forth right like

3332
02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:06,840
Speaker 1: they were moving, we were moving. It was like, you know,

3333
02:25:07,000 --> 02:25:08,800
Speaker 1: the defenses in the Super Bowl get worn out.

3334
02:25:08,800 --> 02:25:09,600
Speaker 2: It's just what happens.

3335
02:25:09,680 --> 02:25:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, if you can control it early, you have

3336
02:25:12,440 --> 02:25:14,119
Speaker 1: a chance. But you know, if you're playing like those

3337
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,440
Speaker 1: games are long, and if you're moving the ball ear

3338
02:25:16,440 --> 02:25:18,560
Speaker 1: in the first half, the second half, you're worried about,

3339
02:25:18,920 --> 02:25:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, how well is the defense gonna hold up.

3340
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:23,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be, you know, be a shootout. So both

3341
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:24,640
Speaker 1: teams are moving the ball and I was like, ah, man,

3342
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:26,760
Speaker 1: this is this is We got to get one stop

3343
02:25:26,800 --> 02:25:28,680
Speaker 1: in the red area, will be okay. So it's a

3344
02:25:28,720 --> 02:25:31,680
Speaker 1: series going away from you know, like the last play

3345
02:25:31,680 --> 02:25:32,800
Speaker 1: of the game is the left the series going to

3346
02:25:32,840 --> 02:25:34,280
Speaker 1: the right end zone and.

3347
02:25:36,640 --> 02:25:37,160
Speaker 2: Third and two.

3348
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:41,520
Speaker 1: So I call I call call one of our one

3349
02:25:41,520 --> 02:25:44,680
Speaker 1: of the stackbacker left. So The idea of the call was,

3350
02:25:44,760 --> 02:25:46,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna walk up on the edge the defensive end

3351
02:25:46,959 --> 02:25:49,200
Speaker 1: who's now in Ninkovic. He's gonna crash down hard and

3352
02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:50,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna take out Lynch, and then the backer's coming

3353
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:54,240
Speaker 1: off for the quarterback. So call stackbacker left third and two.

3354
02:25:54,360 --> 02:25:57,520
Speaker 1: Rob goes in and nails Lynch and we stop them

3355
02:25:57,560 --> 02:25:59,440
Speaker 1: on third and two. So I was like, we just

3356
02:25:59,480 --> 02:26:02,120
Speaker 1: stopped on a nickel defense really two yards giving the

3357
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:04,200
Speaker 1: ball a Lynch Like, that's pretty So I'm like, Okay,

3358
02:26:04,240 --> 02:26:06,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna change. They're gonna that's gonna change what they're

3359
02:26:06,480 --> 02:26:09,440
Speaker 1: doing right now. So we get the last drive they hit.

3360
02:26:09,640 --> 02:26:13,119
Speaker 1: You know, they're coming down. They hit the big play

3361
02:26:13,200 --> 02:26:15,320
Speaker 1: down the far sideline. It's on the opposite side the

3362
02:26:15,440 --> 02:26:19,160
Speaker 1: rule chain, you know, Dron jumps over the pile, it falls,

3363
02:26:19,320 --> 02:26:22,360
Speaker 1: he catches it. Now again, I'm sitting here twenty fourteen,

3364
02:26:22,480 --> 02:26:26,560
Speaker 1: seven years later in the same stadium in the Super

3365
02:26:26,600 --> 02:26:30,280
Speaker 1: Bowl where David Tyree, when I coached in college, who

3366
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,560
Speaker 1: was a special team didn't catch anything in college, catches

3367
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:36,880
Speaker 1: this thing right, and I'm like, holyf did that just

3368
02:26:36,959 --> 02:26:37,440
Speaker 1: happened again?

3369
02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:40,280
Speaker 2: I was like I was just like I was on

3370
02:26:40,360 --> 02:26:42,160
Speaker 2: the scene. We're talking about the scene where he tipped

3371
02:26:42,200 --> 02:26:45,600
Speaker 2: it and Curse ended up doing it back Malcolm. Malcolm's great.

3372
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:47,480
Speaker 1: There's a great play that Malcolm makes on a third

3373
02:26:47,560 --> 02:26:49,720
Speaker 1: down earlier where he goes up and through the pocket

3374
02:26:49,760 --> 02:26:51,280
Speaker 1: and then rips the near hand and gets the ball

3375
02:26:51,320 --> 02:26:53,959
Speaker 1: out there. There's a big play in that game earlier

3376
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:55,560
Speaker 1: to kind of get him off the field to get

3377
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:57,160
Speaker 1: the ball back to the offense. But so now they

3378
02:26:57,240 --> 02:26:58,600
Speaker 1: line up on them. I click in the high. I'm like,

3379
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:01,000
Speaker 1: they're gonna run it. Man Like I'm looking at High's.

3380
02:27:00,760 --> 02:27:01,200
Speaker 2: Got one arm.

3381
02:27:01,560 --> 02:27:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're gonna run it. We were stuck in

3382
02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:07,119
Speaker 1: the defense, and he makes it. I saw an unbelievable tackle,

3383
02:27:07,480 --> 02:27:10,800
Speaker 1: unbelievablet tackle, one arm gets him down. So now the

3384
02:27:10,920 --> 02:27:15,360
Speaker 1: clock is moving, so I know the situation and so this,

3385
02:27:15,760 --> 02:27:17,360
Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those moments where really like

3386
02:27:17,920 --> 02:27:20,240
Speaker 1: the like life slowed down for me. I don't know

3387
02:27:20,360 --> 02:27:22,560
Speaker 1: exactly how long the seconds were, but for me, it

3388
02:27:22,600 --> 02:27:24,440
Speaker 1: felt like a half hour. So I know the call

3389
02:27:24,480 --> 02:27:27,560
Speaker 1: I want to make. I'm hearing eleven personnel going in

3390
02:27:27,640 --> 02:27:30,119
Speaker 1: the game, and I slide over next to Bill because

3391
02:27:30,160 --> 02:27:32,040
Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't gonna put it out there and

3392
02:27:32,080 --> 02:27:33,520
Speaker 1: let them call time out. I didn't want them to

3393
02:27:33,560 --> 02:27:36,000
Speaker 1: see no one had seen this. And then so I

3394
02:27:36,040 --> 02:27:37,280
Speaker 1: slided it next to the Bill and I was like, hey,

3395
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:38,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you calling the timeout?

3396
02:27:39,000 --> 02:27:39,920
Speaker 2: And he's staring.

3397
02:27:40,240 --> 02:27:43,000
Speaker 1: He's just staring across the field and I'm like, Bill,

3398
02:27:43,280 --> 02:27:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you calling the timeout? And he's not

3399
02:27:45,920 --> 02:27:48,880
Speaker 1: saying anything to me. And I was like, hey, I go,

3400
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I need to know because I'm not putting this out there.

3401
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:52,360
Speaker 1: Are you calling the time out? And he's like, yeah,

3402
02:27:52,440 --> 02:27:54,920
Speaker 1: just make your call. And I was like okay, so

3403
02:27:54,959 --> 02:27:56,520
Speaker 1: I click out. I'm like, hey, go line three corner,

3404
02:27:56,560 --> 02:27:58,880
Speaker 1: get it out. Make sure we got Malcolm. So like

3405
02:27:59,000 --> 02:28:00,760
Speaker 1: they're all I'm down with Bill. Everyone's out down on

3406
02:28:00,760 --> 02:28:02,920
Speaker 1: the sideline, so flow out her flow. He's he's like

3407
02:28:02,959 --> 02:28:07,160
Speaker 1: screaming because we had changed the coverages. So like later,

3408
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to Bill and I was like,

3409
02:28:08,200 --> 02:28:09,680
Speaker 1: what were you watching? He's like, well, I was watching Pete.

3410
02:28:10,200 --> 02:28:12,040
Speaker 1: He's like, and I'm watching their offense, trying to figure

3411
02:28:12,040 --> 02:28:14,560
Speaker 1: out like they put the personnel, could they sub He's

3412
02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:17,360
Speaker 1: watching and then once we put goal line, he knew

3413
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:20,240
Speaker 1: we subbed it so late they weren't going to be

3414
02:28:20,280 --> 02:28:21,600
Speaker 1: able to change. They were going to go to the check.

3415
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:24,800
Speaker 1: So we were just waiting it out to see who

3416
02:28:24,879 --> 02:28:26,200
Speaker 1: could get it out there last. And I was like,

3417
02:28:26,280 --> 02:28:28,840
Speaker 1: cause the hemlic communication shuts off, so they weren't gonna

3418
02:28:28,840 --> 02:28:31,600
Speaker 1: be able to check the play to Russ. So we

3419
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:33,880
Speaker 1: get goal lines, so they just see goal. We're signaling

3420
02:28:33,959 --> 02:28:36,360
Speaker 1: goal line, so they goal line is going out well

3421
02:28:36,400 --> 02:28:38,640
Speaker 1: automatically to them, They're like, all right, well, we're gonna

3422
02:28:38,680 --> 02:28:40,600
Speaker 1: throw it. Wait, I have like six thousand pounds of

3423
02:28:40,680 --> 02:28:44,119
Speaker 1: flesh like sitting there. I have like Chandler Jones, Dante

3424
02:28:44,240 --> 02:28:50,120
Speaker 1: high Tower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince. This is like an

3425
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:52,680
Speaker 1: eighteen wheeler out there. Like you know, I understand, like

3426
02:28:52,760 --> 02:28:54,560
Speaker 1: just give the ball to Lynch, but like we had

3427
02:28:54,640 --> 02:28:56,320
Speaker 1: just stopped him on Like these are like some of

3428
02:28:56,360 --> 02:28:59,280
Speaker 1: the best players in the NFL right there. Yeah, So

3429
02:28:59,440 --> 02:29:01,880
Speaker 1: I was like, they're gonna panic, They're gonna throw it.

3430
02:29:02,120 --> 02:29:04,600
Speaker 1: I was worried about the snacks of them flat so

3431
02:29:04,760 --> 02:29:07,600
Speaker 1: that was built. So I watched them build. So I'm

3432
02:29:07,680 --> 02:29:11,080
Speaker 1: watching in my end, I'm watching the left side, and

3433
02:29:11,200 --> 02:29:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like watching him build. They bring the receiver over you.

3434
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:16,400
Speaker 2: I'm I think you think that the brub was is

3435
02:29:16,480 --> 02:29:16,880
Speaker 2: all good?

3436
02:29:17,080 --> 02:29:19,280
Speaker 1: I just we're good on the rub. Like, they're gonna

3437
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:21,160
Speaker 1: go to the snack seven flat. They guy to have

3438
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:24,199
Speaker 1: a play to the other side. They're gonna pick the linebacker.

3439
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:27,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, so I'm on with high. I got hey,

3440
02:29:27,720 --> 02:29:29,200
Speaker 1: make sure you don't get picked here. I'm like, Lynch

3441
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:30,480
Speaker 1: is going to you know, this is gonna be snacks

3442
02:29:30,560 --> 02:29:33,520
Speaker 1: him flat to your to your side. So I'm watching

3443
02:29:33,920 --> 02:29:35,680
Speaker 1: the left side of the offensive the right side of

3444
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:39,080
Speaker 1: the defense, and all snapped and I look and its

3445
02:29:39,080 --> 02:29:42,039
Speaker 1: snags of him flat and we get picked. Chandler's peeling

3446
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:44,640
Speaker 1: late because he had the peel call he had from

3447
02:29:44,680 --> 02:29:46,440
Speaker 1: the high time. I'm like, give Chan the call. So

3448
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:48,520
Speaker 1: Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw, I

3449
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:50,160
Speaker 1: was like, this is gonna be a touchdown. And I

3450
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:51,840
Speaker 1: look and I'm like and then they picked the linebacker.

3451
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:53,240
Speaker 1: So I'm on the headset and I'm like, all right,

3452
02:29:53,240 --> 02:29:54,640
Speaker 1: here we go. I'm like, all right, it's not the run.

3453
02:29:54,840 --> 02:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, we're gonna get the snack seven flat.

3454
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, they picked him. And then

3455
02:29:58,440 --> 02:30:00,040
Speaker 1: everyone starts screaming. They're like, no, he picked it, and

3456
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:01,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, who picked what? I didn't see the play.

3457
02:30:01,800 --> 02:30:03,199
Speaker 1: I didn't even see the player on the other side.

3458
02:30:03,400 --> 02:30:05,560
Speaker 1: I was so worried because the guy's opened in the flat.

3459
02:30:06,680 --> 02:30:09,600
Speaker 1: So everyone's going crazy and I'm like what, I don't

3460
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,840
Speaker 1: even know what. I'm like, what happened? Obviously, the best

3461
02:30:11,879 --> 02:30:13,040
Speaker 1: part of the story is Browner.

3462
02:30:13,160 --> 02:30:13,640
Speaker 2: What I love.

3463
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Browner is the one who we're going in half. He's like,

3464
02:30:16,360 --> 02:30:19,560
Speaker 1: Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here,

3465
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:22,080
Speaker 1: put them there, put them there right, So it'd be

3466
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:23,440
Speaker 1: a good coach. The best thing you can do is

3467
02:30:23,440 --> 02:30:25,199
Speaker 1: just listen to your best player, listen to your smart players.

3468
02:30:25,480 --> 02:30:27,840
Speaker 1: So that was the matchups that we did. But when

3469
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:30,800
Speaker 1: they built the stack, you know, Browner looks at Malcolm

3470
02:30:30,800 --> 02:30:33,160
Speaker 1: and goes, listen, I'm gonna choke the shit out of him.

3471
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:33,560
Speaker 2: You just go.

3472
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:37,680
Speaker 1: And if you watch the play, Browner's he's literally got

3473
02:30:37,720 --> 02:30:40,320
Speaker 1: his hands around his neck. Yeah, and he's and he's

3474
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:45,039
Speaker 1: and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any

3475
02:30:45,120 --> 02:30:47,960
Speaker 1: of that. I'm like, we got picked everyone, and everyone's like, no,

3476
02:30:48,080 --> 02:30:49,280
Speaker 1: you picked it. I'm like, who, I didn't even know

3477
02:30:49,320 --> 02:30:52,200
Speaker 1: we had the ball, so that was like chaos is

3478
02:30:52,240 --> 02:30:55,440
Speaker 1: going on. So now again I'm nervous because I'm looking

3479
02:30:55,440 --> 02:30:57,000
Speaker 1: at Thelock'm like, oh my god, I'm like where the

3480
02:30:57,040 --> 02:30:59,880
Speaker 1: balls like on the inch line here, like there's right.

3481
02:31:00,080 --> 02:31:01,240
Speaker 1: So I'm like, they're gonna get the ball back.

3482
02:31:01,240 --> 02:31:01,560
Speaker 2: There's up.

3483
02:31:01,600 --> 02:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I'm going through situational plays. No one wants to listen

3484
02:31:03,959 --> 02:31:05,360
Speaker 1: to me because I'm like, what are we gonna do?

3485
02:31:05,440 --> 02:31:07,200
Speaker 1: What are we putting out there? Because I'm panicked, like

3486
02:31:07,320 --> 02:31:10,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be back on the field and obviously, you know,

3487
02:31:10,160 --> 02:31:12,400
Speaker 1: we get the thing and the games, and and I

3488
02:31:12,600 --> 02:31:15,920
Speaker 1: turn around and Revis is running at me and he

3489
02:31:16,200 --> 02:31:19,440
Speaker 1: jumps and I like catch him, like do you know thick.

3490
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:22,840
Speaker 2: He's so he's his little this is what he was

3491
02:31:22,920 --> 02:31:25,320
Speaker 2: so good. He was so strong, so he bent.

3492
02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:27,680
Speaker 1: He cracks my back. So the end of Super Bowl,

3493
02:31:27,680 --> 02:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I cracked my back like in the celebration because he

3494
02:31:30,280 --> 02:31:31,000
Speaker 1: jumps up on me.

3495
02:31:31,240 --> 02:31:33,360
Speaker 2: I didn't care, Like who cares? Who cares? Right, it

3496
02:31:33,400 --> 02:31:33,879
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.

3497
02:31:34,040 --> 02:31:37,000
Speaker 1: You know, Stevie B's running around me like like he

3498
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:39,760
Speaker 1: like everybody's freaking out. It was like amazing. Malcolm still

3499
02:31:39,800 --> 02:31:44,520
Speaker 1: crying and it was like yeah. It was like total

3500
02:31:44,640 --> 02:31:47,640
Speaker 1: chaos and my best my best play if you watch,

3501
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:51,520
Speaker 1: if you watch the coaches copy of that tape, if

3502
02:31:51,560 --> 02:31:53,240
Speaker 1: you watch the end zone copy, because again we had

3503
02:31:53,240 --> 02:31:55,320
Speaker 1: the extended end zone because we watched the celebration and

3504
02:31:55,320 --> 02:31:59,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff in the back of the end zone

3505
02:31:59,240 --> 02:32:01,040
Speaker 1: is the Seattle Man, Scott. It's my favorite thing in

3506
02:32:01,080 --> 02:32:03,520
Speaker 1: the whole world. He's standing there and you can see

3507
02:32:03,600 --> 02:32:07,240
Speaker 1: him as as right before the snap, seems like you can.

3508
02:32:07,200 --> 02:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Just see, like, you know, his face. His expression is

3509
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:09,920
Speaker 2: the change. You see.

3510
02:32:10,360 --> 02:32:12,760
Speaker 1: We're about the back, we're about the hands, think the lynch,

3511
02:32:12,840 --> 02:32:15,560
Speaker 1: we're about to like score here we and they snapped

3512
02:32:15,600 --> 02:32:18,920
Speaker 1: the ball and you see him freeze and then the

3513
02:32:19,000 --> 02:32:21,360
Speaker 1: ball's picked and he just takes his hands and he

3514
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:23,400
Speaker 1: puts his hand on the front of his beak and

3515
02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:25,320
Speaker 1: he stands there like and he doesn't move and you

3516
02:32:25,400 --> 02:32:28,160
Speaker 1: could just see him like, what the hell just happened.

3517
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:31,440
Speaker 1: It's the funniest ship ever. I'm just telling you, it's hysterical.

3518
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:33,960
Speaker 1: And he doesn't move, like there's chaos going on. He

3519
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:36,039
Speaker 1: doesn't move for like five minutes. He's just standing there.

3520
02:32:36,240 --> 02:32:36,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing.

3521
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:40,039
Speaker 2: But you know what's crazy, Cot That's not the first

3522
02:32:40,080 --> 02:32:44,360
Speaker 2: time a coach has has pointed out a standing. Oh,

3523
02:32:44,400 --> 02:32:46,000
Speaker 2: we watched the stands all the time because they watched

3524
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:50,199
Speaker 2: so much film, so they sit there chatty l would

3525
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:52,880
Speaker 2: come in there, like, look at this guy. Beer on.

3526
02:32:52,959 --> 02:32:55,000
Speaker 2: This guy my favorite. Every year I.

3527
02:32:57,000 --> 02:33:00,240
Speaker 1: Would watch every year there's a guy in Buffalo and

3528
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:02,600
Speaker 1: every scoreboard he sits in the right corner of the

3529
02:33:02,640 --> 02:33:05,400
Speaker 1: stadium and it would be the middle of December. He's

3530
02:33:05,400 --> 02:33:07,840
Speaker 1: got no shirt on, he's got a big beer belly,

3531
02:33:08,080 --> 02:33:09,760
Speaker 1: and he looks kind of like, you know, he's got

3532
02:33:09,800 --> 02:33:12,320
Speaker 1: long gray hair. So I'm like, and he's every year

3533
02:33:12,360 --> 02:33:14,080
Speaker 1: he's there and I always check. I'm like, he's still

3534
02:33:14,120 --> 02:33:15,000
Speaker 1: there and no shirt.

3535
02:33:15,000 --> 02:33:15,960
Speaker 2: It's middle, you know.

3536
02:33:16,200 --> 02:33:18,760
Speaker 1: Or the in New Orleans where the scoreboard there'd always

3537
02:33:18,760 --> 02:33:21,960
Speaker 1: be a crew that and Halloween would dress in costumes

3538
02:33:22,080 --> 02:33:24,400
Speaker 1: instead above the score so you just you just you

3539
02:33:24,520 --> 02:33:27,200
Speaker 1: look always but the mascot and the.

3540
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:28,080
Speaker 2: End zone of that thing.

3541
02:33:28,520 --> 02:33:30,240
Speaker 1: It's really we had an extension. It's one of the

3542
02:33:30,280 --> 02:33:34,000
Speaker 1: most amazing things. But that was that play, how that

3543
02:33:34,160 --> 02:33:38,080
Speaker 1: was put together, the game, the halftime, the fact that

3544
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:40,640
Speaker 1: it was like I can't believe we're gonna install this.

3545
02:33:40,800 --> 02:33:44,440
Speaker 1: This is like six years he'd been asking. H'm like, nope,

3546
02:33:44,600 --> 02:33:45,400
Speaker 1: here does we need it?

3547
02:33:45,440 --> 02:33:45,760
Speaker 2: We got it.

3548
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:47,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna have it right now and put that in

3549
02:33:47,760 --> 02:33:48,959
Speaker 1: a week and have that thing go out.

3550
02:33:49,160 --> 02:33:50,520
Speaker 2: Was that was crazy.

3551
02:33:50,600 --> 02:33:54,000
Speaker 1: And honestly, that whole defensive year like give that, like

3552
02:33:54,160 --> 02:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Vince wilf work and I sat down because you know, look,

3553
02:33:57,240 --> 02:34:00,640
Speaker 1: he wanted to win again like he was and he

3554
02:34:00,920 --> 02:34:03,840
Speaker 1: was unbelievable man. His leadership is guidance of like, hey,

3555
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:06,520
Speaker 1: let's do this, like we you know, give the defensive

3556
02:34:06,520 --> 02:34:09,520
Speaker 1: guys a book we read, you know, Legacy the All Blacks,

3557
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:12,440
Speaker 1: and we put all our words together and just kind

3558
02:34:12,440 --> 02:34:14,600
Speaker 1: of like all the way through the season, you know,

3559
02:34:14,640 --> 02:34:16,039
Speaker 1: the night before the Super Bowl I kind of read

3560
02:34:16,080 --> 02:34:17,360
Speaker 1: it to the defense again and like, hey, this is

3561
02:34:17,400 --> 02:34:19,240
Speaker 1: what we said we're gonna do. And you know, when

3562
02:34:19,240 --> 02:34:21,600
Speaker 1: you win the Super Bowl, Yeah, I think that was

3563
02:34:21,640 --> 02:34:23,920
Speaker 1: the year. I kind of told him, like the trophy,

3564
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you know what, it's like the hold the trophy, you know,

3565
02:34:26,160 --> 02:34:27,840
Speaker 1: and it's it's heavy at the top, and it was

3566
02:34:27,879 --> 02:34:29,480
Speaker 1: kind of like the thing the story, and I explained

3567
02:34:29,480 --> 02:34:31,560
Speaker 1: to him how you know, and when we won and

3568
02:34:31,800 --> 02:34:34,080
Speaker 1: you know, four and being able to hold the Trophy

3569
02:34:34,120 --> 02:34:38,680
Speaker 1: and what that's like, and just all of that expression

3570
02:34:38,720 --> 02:34:41,720
Speaker 1: into and and Vince leading the charge, and then you know,

3571
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:43,720
Speaker 1: we tell him like you win a super Bowl, like

3572
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:46,280
Speaker 1: you're bonded for life, Like you're bonded for life, Like

3573
02:34:46,280 --> 02:34:48,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter where you are when it is, anybody

3574
02:34:48,240 --> 02:34:49,720
Speaker 1: on those teams call you, you are bonded for life.

3575
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:51,760
Speaker 1: I have a great picture of you. I was actually

3576
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:53,000
Speaker 1: just looking at the other day. It's you and Rob

3577
02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:56,240
Speaker 1: and Chan after the White House. You guys are walking

3578
02:34:56,280 --> 02:34:58,200
Speaker 1: down the side of the bus. It's just three of you,

3579
02:34:58,560 --> 02:35:00,440
Speaker 1: and I just snapped it, you know. I mean, I

3580
02:35:00,480 --> 02:35:01,920
Speaker 1: think you got to lip her out to here and like,

3581
02:35:02,080 --> 02:35:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, like the whole deal. We've just been in

3582
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:06,600
Speaker 1: the way and it's like it's the coolest shit ever. Yeah,

3583
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, But that that play the time, it was

3584
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:12,879
Speaker 1: just one of those moments in life where just time stopped. Yeah,

3585
02:35:13,040 --> 02:35:15,600
Speaker 1: and just like here we go and we're gonna, we're gonna,

3586
02:35:15,680 --> 02:35:17,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this. It's gonna be crazy.

3587
02:35:17,360 --> 02:35:20,720
Speaker 2: It just hit me. Two of the last couple plays,

3588
02:35:22,640 --> 02:35:24,960
Speaker 2: one on defense and one on offense, other than the

3589
02:35:25,040 --> 02:35:28,640
Speaker 2: when we were running out the clock where adjustments added

3590
02:35:29,320 --> 02:35:33,640
Speaker 2: after practices after all our prep was done. My my

3591
02:35:33,840 --> 02:35:37,120
Speaker 2: return route, yeah right, that was We added that on

3592
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:40,960
Speaker 2: Saturday night in the hotel goal line, going on three corner,

3593
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:45,080
Speaker 2: three corner added after practice, Like, had to adjust it.

3594
02:35:45,200 --> 02:35:49,840
Speaker 2: But that's that. That shows you how smart are our

3595
02:35:49,920 --> 02:35:52,280
Speaker 2: coaches were to understand that we needed to put that

3596
02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:54,800
Speaker 2: in and how smart the players were to be able

3597
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:57,720
Speaker 2: to execute it without a rep of practice. That's right.

3598
02:35:57,800 --> 02:36:01,400
Speaker 2: It's not us, it's you guys. It's the head, you know,

3599
02:36:02,080 --> 02:36:04,040
Speaker 2: knowing that you know we may need this and it

3600
02:36:04,120 --> 02:36:06,440
Speaker 2: comes down to it. You know that happened a lot

3601
02:36:06,480 --> 02:36:07,440
Speaker 2: of times in my career.

3602
02:36:07,640 --> 02:36:10,240
Speaker 1: How fast you guys process and put that stuff together, man, Like,

3603
02:36:10,360 --> 02:36:14,880
Speaker 1: it's just it's amazing. Like I just you know, like, look,

3604
02:36:14,879 --> 02:36:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just lucky to be there and kind of

3605
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,000
Speaker 1: help and do whatever I can to give you guys

3606
02:36:19,000 --> 02:36:20,920
Speaker 1: a chance to go play and execute. But watch you

3607
02:36:20,959 --> 02:36:23,280
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3608
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3609
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3612
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Speaker 1: I just remember one of the things annowing on. Like

3613
02:36:41,720 --> 02:36:43,480
Speaker 1: you listen to a lot of like coaches, right and

3614
02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:45,800
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, hey's in the barn. And I used

3615
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:47,560
Speaker 1: to walk in and be like, listen, there's no hay,

3616
02:36:47,600 --> 02:36:49,520
Speaker 1: there's no barn. Like we are working until we win,

3617
02:36:49,959 --> 02:36:51,680
Speaker 1: and we will keep working until the game is over

3618
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:52,480
Speaker 1: and we have one.

3619
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:53,000
Speaker 2: That is it.

3620
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:55,160
Speaker 1: And that was just the mindset that we always had.

3621
02:36:56,040 --> 02:36:59,320
Speaker 2: Now I can see that for the coaches, but sometimes

3622
02:36:59,360 --> 02:37:00,800
Speaker 2: you have to put that. You have to say that

3623
02:37:01,040 --> 02:37:04,600
Speaker 2: to the player. Yeah, because the physical work. Yeah, the

3624
02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:09,280
Speaker 2: mental work, that's pizza Friday. We're good pizza Fridays. Physical work,

3625
02:37:09,760 --> 02:37:10,000
Speaker 2: but that.

3626
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:12,760
Speaker 1: Was pizza Friday. Friday was shutting it down. But we

3627
02:37:12,920 --> 02:37:16,360
Speaker 1: always you guys, you guys, listen your The edge that

3628
02:37:16,440 --> 02:37:19,760
Speaker 1: you guys had is that you did keep working from

3629
02:37:19,840 --> 02:37:22,440
Speaker 1: the time like everyone most teams Friday at one o'clock

3630
02:37:22,440 --> 02:37:26,039
Speaker 1: they're out, nobody's home, Like that's forty eight hours before

3631
02:37:26,080 --> 02:37:29,360
Speaker 1: the game. You guys stayed sharp all the way up

3632
02:37:29,400 --> 02:37:32,000
Speaker 1: into the game. And that's the walkers in the hotel.

3633
02:37:32,080 --> 02:37:33,879
Speaker 1: Like I know I watched, like you know, the walkers

3634
02:37:33,920 --> 02:37:35,560
Speaker 1: in the hotels the meeting. Look, we all tried to

3635
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:36,800
Speaker 1: do it in a different ways. Sometimes it was a

3636
02:37:36,879 --> 02:37:39,840
Speaker 1: meeting and we just rolled through calls. But the sharpness

3637
02:37:39,879 --> 02:37:41,640
Speaker 1: that you guys were going to the game, the confidence

3638
02:37:41,720 --> 02:37:44,760
Speaker 1: of that instilled that you guys brought to the table unbelievable. Man.

3639
02:37:44,879 --> 02:37:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I always say it, you know, like

3640
02:37:48,760 --> 02:37:51,520
Speaker 2: the Patriot way with everyone else. What is that? I go, Well,

3641
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:54,680
Speaker 2: you know, the coaches had a template, they had the laws,

3642
02:37:55,560 --> 02:37:58,000
Speaker 2: and they picked certain players to be sheriff to go

3643
02:37:58,120 --> 02:37:59,480
Speaker 2: make those laws enforced.

3644
02:37:59,640 --> 02:38:02,600
Speaker 1: You know. Was really easy for us though, was if

3645
02:38:02,640 --> 02:38:04,040
Speaker 1: you like I would stand back all the time and

3646
02:38:04,040 --> 02:38:05,920
Speaker 1: I would watch Bill, or I'd watch it, I'd say

3647
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:07,760
Speaker 1: the bill. I would watch the team and be like

3648
02:38:08,320 --> 02:38:11,200
Speaker 1: it was it was a herd, right. The team moved

3649
02:38:11,200 --> 02:38:13,480
Speaker 1: in a herd, and every once in a while you'd

3650
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:15,040
Speaker 1: look and you'd see, like, man, that guy's not in

3651
02:38:15,120 --> 02:38:16,560
Speaker 1: the herd anymore, Like.

3652
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:17,080
Speaker 2: What's going on?

3653
02:38:17,520 --> 02:38:20,199
Speaker 1: And if you just watched the team, you guys told

3654
02:38:20,320 --> 02:38:23,320
Speaker 1: us everything we need to know on who you trusted

3655
02:38:24,040 --> 02:38:25,680
Speaker 1: and who could go out on the field and help

3656
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:28,680
Speaker 1: us win. If you just watched, you guys did it

3657
02:38:29,280 --> 02:38:31,480
Speaker 1: probably without even knowing it. But if you just watched,

3658
02:38:31,520 --> 02:38:33,840
Speaker 1: you'd be like, Okay, we're really good here, Like we

3659
02:38:33,920 --> 02:38:35,680
Speaker 1: got to look at that. There's something off over there.

3660
02:38:36,200 --> 02:38:40,640
Speaker 2: So by twenty fourteen crazy, the twenty sixteen the high

3661
02:38:40,680 --> 02:38:42,160
Speaker 2: tower sack. What do you get on that?

3662
02:38:42,360 --> 02:38:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean same call, isn't that crazy? Stackbacker left?

3663
02:38:45,800 --> 02:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Same call I just talked about with Nikovic. It was

3664
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:48,720
Speaker 1: the same call.

3665
02:38:48,760 --> 02:38:51,040
Speaker 2: But let me go back. So this is this is

3666
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:51,800
Speaker 2: you so.

3667
02:38:53,320 --> 02:38:55,600
Speaker 1: Obviously, so we're't allowed to five down. We're playing, you know,

3668
02:38:56,760 --> 02:39:00,360
Speaker 1: really good offense. It's coming at as fast we're we're

3669
02:39:00,360 --> 02:39:01,320
Speaker 1: struggling on defense.

3670
02:39:01,360 --> 02:39:03,439
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, this is one of the highest scoring offenses

3671
02:39:03,480 --> 02:39:04,640
Speaker 2: in the history of the league.

3672
02:39:04,959 --> 02:39:08,960
Speaker 1: Offensive MVP, best coordinator with Channy, you know, like coordinator

3673
02:39:08,959 --> 02:39:11,960
Speaker 1: of the year everything, Yeah, lost, Okay, so coordinator of

3674
02:39:11,959 --> 02:39:13,880
Speaker 1: the year, best off you know all this stuff. Right, So,

3675
02:39:15,640 --> 02:39:17,720
Speaker 1: so off the first half isn't going good. I'm trying

3676
02:39:17,760 --> 02:39:22,640
Speaker 1: to make adjustments. It's it's long and then this is

3677
02:39:22,640 --> 02:39:24,760
Speaker 1: another one of those weird things. Right. So the night

3678
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:27,360
Speaker 1: before the game, you know, we got extra time, so

3679
02:39:27,400 --> 02:39:29,119
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, let's watch this game. Let's watch this game.

3680
02:39:29,160 --> 02:39:32,000
Speaker 1: Let's watch this game. So I had watched the Chargers game,

3681
02:39:32,200 --> 02:39:33,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, I need to show this game.

3682
02:39:34,560 --> 02:39:36,480
Speaker 1: So it was the night before the game. I sat

3683
02:39:36,520 --> 02:39:38,240
Speaker 1: down with the defense and I said, listen, I go,

3684
02:39:38,400 --> 02:39:41,840
Speaker 1: this this offense can score points. I go. But if

3685
02:39:41,879 --> 02:39:43,960
Speaker 1: we just play the game all the way out, I go,

3686
02:39:44,080 --> 02:39:46,160
Speaker 1: we'll be okay. Look at this game. So the Chargers

3687
02:39:46,200 --> 02:39:49,080
Speaker 1: in that year got down early, they got down big.

3688
02:39:49,879 --> 02:39:52,680
Speaker 1: But as you watched the Atlanta to Atlanta, as you

3689
02:39:52,760 --> 02:39:55,240
Speaker 1: watched the game, they just started chipping away second half,

3690
02:39:55,360 --> 02:39:57,680
Speaker 1: chipping away, chipping away, and then they scored, and then

3691
02:39:57,720 --> 02:39:59,640
Speaker 1: they stopped them and then they turned the ball over.

3692
02:40:00,080 --> 02:40:01,640
Speaker 1: And he got all the way down to the end

3693
02:40:01,640 --> 02:40:03,480
Speaker 1: of the game and the Chargers actually kicked the field

3694
02:40:03,520 --> 02:40:05,160
Speaker 1: go and won the game. It came back from him,

3695
02:40:05,160 --> 02:40:06,600
Speaker 1: was like it was a big deficity. It was good,

3696
02:40:06,959 --> 02:40:08,959
Speaker 1: kind of like I was like, I'm gonna show this game.

3697
02:40:09,680 --> 02:40:14,440
Speaker 1: So I remember, you know, before the the first half ended,

3698
02:40:14,480 --> 02:40:16,720
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, I need to we gotta

3699
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:18,320
Speaker 1: go in this locker room. We got to remind everybody

3700
02:40:18,480 --> 02:40:21,039
Speaker 1: like we're okay here. Then other half of this game,

3701
02:40:21,080 --> 02:40:24,280
Speaker 1: and we've we just saw on tape how they you know,

3702
02:40:24,840 --> 02:40:27,000
Speaker 1: there's a there's a window here. So we go in

3703
02:40:27,040 --> 02:40:29,480
Speaker 1: the locker room. First thing, you know, you do because

3704
02:40:29,480 --> 02:40:32,560
Speaker 1: the halftime is longer. I'm like, all right, everybody, do

3705
02:40:32,640 --> 02:40:34,360
Speaker 1: what you gotta do. Take a couple of seconds, and

3706
02:40:34,480 --> 02:40:36,040
Speaker 1: I just got the defense. I said, listen, here's what

3707
02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:39,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. I'm like, Julio is ridiculous. Like, you know,

3708
02:40:39,160 --> 02:40:40,560
Speaker 1: we had the whole like, oh, he's injured. He can't

3709
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:42,040
Speaker 1: play it off his right foot. He's only gonna be

3710
02:40:42,040 --> 02:40:42,600
Speaker 1: able to break left.

3711
02:40:42,640 --> 02:40:44,760
Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, no, he could break wherever you wanted to.

3712
02:40:45,280 --> 02:40:48,400
Speaker 1: So we had to because I was cheating alignments based

3713
02:40:48,480 --> 02:40:51,360
Speaker 1: on that injury information. I was like, don't worry about it,

3714
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:53,640
Speaker 1: we're going And then again, you know, we meged the

3715
02:40:53,680 --> 02:40:54,600
Speaker 1: backside of cover two.

3716
02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:55,880
Speaker 2: We undercut him.

3717
02:40:55,879 --> 02:40:57,360
Speaker 1: I think it was Logan and he reached up over

3718
02:40:57,400 --> 02:40:58,800
Speaker 1: the top of Logan and took the cut and I

3719
02:40:58,840 --> 02:41:03,160
Speaker 1: was like, oh shit, a problem. So yeah, so that

3720
02:41:03,280 --> 02:41:04,440
Speaker 1: was in the first half, was like first series of

3721
02:41:04,480 --> 02:41:06,119
Speaker 1: the game or whatever. So we go into the locker

3722
02:41:06,200 --> 02:41:07,640
Speaker 1: room and said, listen, we're going to all the red

3723
02:41:07,680 --> 02:41:09,520
Speaker 1: area calls. I said, I'm just I'm gonna We're gonna

3724
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:10,920
Speaker 1: play the red area calls. These are the calls we're

3725
02:41:10,920 --> 02:41:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna do. Went through the staff, go back to the players,

3726
02:41:15,000 --> 02:41:17,240
Speaker 1: and I said, fellas, listen, I go, first of all,

3727
02:41:18,520 --> 02:41:20,040
Speaker 1: first half, here's the issues.

3728
02:41:20,160 --> 02:41:20,920
Speaker 2: This is what happened.

3729
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:24,960
Speaker 1: I go, remember what we watched last night. I was

3730
02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:27,520
Speaker 1: like the Charger game. I'm like, we're going to come

3731
02:41:27,560 --> 02:41:29,440
Speaker 1: back and win this thing. I'm like, we are gonna

3732
02:41:29,440 --> 02:41:31,560
Speaker 1: be fine. Like we just go play every single down.

3733
02:41:31,680 --> 02:41:32,000
Speaker 2: We got it.

3734
02:41:32,040 --> 02:41:33,680
Speaker 1: We put ourselves in a hole, but we got to

3735
02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:35,440
Speaker 1: play every single snap. These are the calls we're gonna make.

3736
02:41:35,800 --> 02:41:37,440
Speaker 1: I go, you gotta believe right now because we're going

3737
02:41:37,480 --> 02:41:42,040
Speaker 1: to do this. And what was happening was Doran was

3738
02:41:42,120 --> 02:41:44,880
Speaker 1: on the bike. You remember this, No, Douran was on

3739
02:41:44,959 --> 02:41:47,360
Speaker 1: the bike and he was trying to stay warm. And

3740
02:41:47,480 --> 02:41:50,680
Speaker 1: so I let the players, you know, I get down

3741
02:41:50,720 --> 02:41:53,000
Speaker 1: my meeting and players going to the coaches and Duran

3742
02:41:53,040 --> 02:41:53,760
Speaker 1: starts chirping.

3743
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:55,240
Speaker 2: He starts chirping.

3744
02:41:55,280 --> 02:41:56,920
Speaker 1: He's like, we got it, like he just I just

3745
02:41:57,680 --> 02:42:00,040
Speaker 1: And I was like you could feel the energy and

3746
02:42:00,040 --> 02:42:01,560
Speaker 1: you could feel the belief. And then all of a sudden,

3747
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:04,680
Speaker 1: you come in and you're like we gotta go, and

3748
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:08,040
Speaker 1: you start chirping with Duran and you guys are chirping

3749
02:42:08,080 --> 02:42:10,680
Speaker 1: back and forth, and the energy's building and I remember

3750
02:42:10,760 --> 02:42:12,600
Speaker 1: walking out, I was like, holy fu, we're gonna win

3751
02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:15,640
Speaker 1: this game. And I just I just because I don't

3752
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:17,000
Speaker 1: know where you came from. I don't know why you

3753
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:20,320
Speaker 1: were on our side, and Duran was like chirping, and

3754
02:42:20,440 --> 02:42:22,600
Speaker 1: it was like you two are chirping at each other,

3755
02:42:22,680 --> 02:42:24,960
Speaker 1: and it was almost like, I don't know if you

3756
02:42:25,000 --> 02:42:26,400
Speaker 1: were trying to pump us up or he was trying

3757
02:42:26,400 --> 02:42:28,080
Speaker 1: to pump you up or whatever it was, but it

3758
02:42:28,240 --> 02:42:29,480
Speaker 1: was just it built.

3759
02:42:29,720 --> 02:42:30,240
Speaker 2: And I was like.

3760
02:42:30,320 --> 02:42:32,360
Speaker 1: I walked down, I was like, holy shit, we're gonna

3761
02:42:32,360 --> 02:42:34,080
Speaker 1: win this game. And I told him before we went out,

3762
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:35,920
Speaker 1: I said, here's what's gonna happen. We're gonna get a

3763
02:42:35,920 --> 02:42:36,560
Speaker 1: negative play.

3764
02:42:36,440 --> 02:42:36,959
Speaker 2: On the first run.

3765
02:42:37,040 --> 02:42:38,680
Speaker 1: They're gonna run the ball. I'm like, Hi, if they

3766
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:40,680
Speaker 1: run it at you, this is a TfL. I'm like,

3767
02:42:40,720 --> 02:42:42,640
Speaker 1: if a first start down, they're not gonna throw, We're

3768
02:42:42,640 --> 02:42:44,640
Speaker 1: gonna double over here, it's coming backside. It'll be three

3769
02:42:44,680 --> 02:42:46,160
Speaker 1: by one. You gotta make the play, and it was.

3770
02:42:46,320 --> 02:42:48,280
Speaker 1: Eric made the play on the backside. So the very

3771
02:42:48,280 --> 02:42:50,080
Speaker 1: first year they had the ball TfL, in the first

3772
02:42:50,080 --> 02:42:50,680
Speaker 1: play they run it.

3773
02:42:50,760 --> 02:42:51,040
Speaker 2: The high.

3774
02:42:51,240 --> 02:42:52,720
Speaker 1: Third down, they throw it to Eric was like third

3775
02:42:52,720 --> 02:42:54,400
Speaker 1: and long because we had put him in long yard situation.

3776
02:42:54,520 --> 02:42:55,680
Speaker 1: We break it up and coming side and I go,

3777
02:42:55,720 --> 02:42:58,200
Speaker 1: here we go, it's gonna happen. So we go through

3778
02:42:58,240 --> 02:43:01,879
Speaker 1: the game, and what happened was the series. They're going

3779
02:43:01,959 --> 02:43:04,160
Speaker 1: left or right, so they're going that way in the

3780
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:07,440
Speaker 1: end zone. Second down run. Coleman is in the game.

3781
02:43:07,480 --> 02:43:09,920
Speaker 1: Coleman was the third down back. Yeah, Freeman was early

3782
02:43:10,000 --> 02:43:13,000
Speaker 1: down back. So Coleman comes in, hands it off and

3783
02:43:13,120 --> 02:43:15,199
Speaker 1: I look and he's on the ground and he's injured,

3784
02:43:15,879 --> 02:43:16,720
Speaker 1: screwed up his ankle.

3785
02:43:17,640 --> 02:43:19,720
Speaker 2: And I remember watching. I was like, it's third down.

3786
02:43:20,120 --> 02:43:20,720
Speaker 2: Coleman's out.

3787
02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:23,080
Speaker 1: And I clicked and I said, hey, Hi, I said, Hi, listen,

3788
02:43:23,200 --> 02:43:25,240
Speaker 1: I said, Coleman's out, Freeman's in. I go, we're going

3789
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:26,920
Speaker 1: stack back or left. I go, don't show it. I

3790
02:43:27,040 --> 02:43:28,800
Speaker 1: go walk late. I go, he'll never see you. I

3791
02:43:28,879 --> 02:43:30,840
Speaker 1: go go get the ball, Scoop. We gotta score, bro.

3792
02:43:31,160 --> 02:43:32,640
Speaker 1: I go, you got this right now. I just it

3793
02:43:32,760 --> 02:43:35,560
Speaker 1: was one of those like Coleman got hurt. It clicked

3794
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:37,119
Speaker 1: in my head. Freeman was in there, he was gonna

3795
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:39,640
Speaker 1: miss the protection. Don't show it, walk up late, we're

3796
02:43:39,680 --> 02:43:42,280
Speaker 1: coming right at him and we're about to score. We

3797
02:43:42,360 --> 02:43:44,240
Speaker 1: didn't score. I thought we're gonna score, but I was like,

3798
02:43:44,360 --> 02:43:46,600
Speaker 1: I just so I'm on with High the whole time.

3799
02:43:46,840 --> 02:43:49,360
Speaker 1: I go wait, wait, wait, wait, And I can see

3800
02:43:49,720 --> 02:43:51,960
Speaker 1: the quarterback give Freeman the mic point and I can

3801
02:43:52,000 --> 02:43:53,600
Speaker 1: see him scan correct because he's got the mic and

3802
02:43:53,640 --> 02:43:56,880
Speaker 1: he's got scan and he sees High inside and then Hi,

3803
02:43:57,160 --> 02:43:59,160
Speaker 1: he goes outside. I go all the way outside the bunch.

3804
02:43:59,320 --> 02:44:01,360
Speaker 1: He walked all way outside the bunch and he comes

3805
02:44:01,480 --> 02:44:04,240
Speaker 1: ripping off the edge and I was like, I was like,

3806
02:44:04,320 --> 02:44:05,520
Speaker 1: no one even sees him and he stripped it. I

3807
02:44:05,560 --> 02:44:07,360
Speaker 1: think Branch recovered it. I was like, I thought we're

3808
02:44:07,360 --> 02:44:09,280
Speaker 1: gonna scoop the score. But it was the same call

3809
02:44:09,320 --> 02:44:11,640
Speaker 1: as Rob I called in twenty fourteen. Rob stopped him

3810
02:44:11,640 --> 02:44:14,040
Speaker 1: on the third and short, and it was just one

3811
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:15,560
Speaker 1: of those things where it was like it just clicked

3812
02:44:15,600 --> 02:44:18,200
Speaker 1: in my head. It was like, Freeman's out. You know

3813
02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:20,320
Speaker 1: they're not, they're gonn screw up the third down protection.

3814
02:44:20,440 --> 02:44:22,680
Speaker 1: Let's go get him. So that was the turnover, which

3815
02:44:22,760 --> 02:44:25,040
Speaker 1: really then you know, now we're feeling it.

3816
02:44:25,120 --> 02:44:26,280
Speaker 2: Then we had the tree Flowers sack.

3817
02:44:26,400 --> 02:44:30,040
Speaker 1: So then later in the game. Now they're driving, they throw.

3818
02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:33,320
Speaker 1: Julio's right there. He and I was who I was

3819
02:44:33,360 --> 02:44:35,120
Speaker 1: with Julio last year. He's like the best right, And

3820
02:44:35,200 --> 02:44:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like, bro, how far out about it?

3821
02:44:37,000 --> 02:44:37,440
Speaker 2: Did you reach?

3822
02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:39,560
Speaker 1: The little ball is literally ten yards out of bound.

3823
02:44:39,560 --> 02:44:42,840
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, right, It's I'm in the coaches, it's passed

3824
02:44:42,920 --> 02:44:44,560
Speaker 1: me and he catches this thing, and everyone on the

3825
02:44:44,600 --> 02:44:45,440
Speaker 1: headside it's like he's out.

3826
02:44:45,480 --> 02:44:47,000
Speaker 2: He's out him like literally looking at his feet. I'm like,

3827
02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:47,800
Speaker 2: he's not out.

3828
02:44:47,879 --> 02:44:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, he just caught it.

3829
02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:51,280
Speaker 2: So now they're in field goal rangement.

3830
02:44:51,320 --> 02:44:53,440
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god. So I'm like, hey,

3831
02:44:53,520 --> 02:44:55,840
Speaker 1: dev Wick, we got a blitz. So with get the

3832
02:44:55,879 --> 02:44:58,680
Speaker 1: TfL And so now it's second along. So everyone's they're

3833
02:44:58,680 --> 02:45:00,320
Speaker 1: gonna run again. They're gonna run it again, and some

3834
02:45:00,360 --> 02:45:01,680
Speaker 1: of my I was like, they're not gonna run, they're

3835
02:45:01,680 --> 02:45:05,200
Speaker 1: gonna throw. And then and I'm arguing. I'm arguing on

3836
02:45:05,240 --> 02:45:08,080
Speaker 1: the headsets with Bill. He's like, they're gonna rune it.

3837
02:45:08,080 --> 02:45:09,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not gonna run it. I'm like the

3838
02:45:10,040 --> 02:45:11,760
Speaker 1: quarterback of the Year got off in the corner of

3839
02:45:11,800 --> 02:45:13,600
Speaker 1: the year. Like they're throwing the ball over the place,

3840
02:45:13,640 --> 02:45:15,360
Speaker 1: like they're gonna throw it again, like they're they're gonna

3841
02:45:15,360 --> 02:45:16,120
Speaker 1: get in their own way here.

3842
02:45:16,200 --> 02:45:17,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm so I called.

3843
02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:20,600
Speaker 1: I actually called a three man rush because I wanted

3844
02:45:20,640 --> 02:45:22,520
Speaker 1: to have max coverage, but it was a five down look.

3845
02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,200
Speaker 1: But as they lined up, I look, and now I've

3846
02:45:25,200 --> 02:45:28,040
Speaker 1: got one. I got Gaeball was great shirt. He's on

3847
02:45:28,120 --> 02:45:30,920
Speaker 1: the outside. But now I'm like, oh shit, it's the

3848
02:45:30,959 --> 02:45:33,680
Speaker 1: wheel route. I'm like, oh, I'm like, this is about

3849
02:45:33,800 --> 02:45:35,440
Speaker 1: I'm freaking out because I'm like, this is about to

3850
02:45:35,480 --> 02:45:38,840
Speaker 1: be a touchdown. And so sure enough back I think

3851
02:45:38,879 --> 02:45:41,240
Speaker 1: it was Freeman. He releases. I see Jabal he's peeling

3852
02:45:41,280 --> 02:45:43,680
Speaker 1: on the wheel. I was like, oh my, like here

3853
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:45,840
Speaker 1: we go. And Trey just because I put him on

3854
02:45:45,879 --> 02:45:47,800
Speaker 1: the nose because of his quickness in his length and

3855
02:45:47,840 --> 02:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I knew that they would struggle. Yeah, he had the ankle,

3856
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:52,360
Speaker 1: and I knew he was gonna struggle with the redirect

3857
02:45:52,360 --> 02:45:54,520
Speaker 1: and Tray's arms for so long he could get into you,

3858
02:45:54,879 --> 02:45:57,240
Speaker 1: and he was skinny, and he just skinnied through and

3859
02:45:57,320 --> 02:45:59,240
Speaker 1: he gets in and he saxsmon and I was like,

3860
02:45:59,680 --> 02:46:03,560
Speaker 1: he's I mean save. So then what happens is on

3861
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:06,520
Speaker 1: that play, so that one or the next one high

3862
02:46:06,600 --> 02:46:09,240
Speaker 1: tower he's on. I think it was long on the

3863
02:46:09,280 --> 02:46:14,560
Speaker 1: other side and high Tower gets held, totally buried and

3864
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:16,120
Speaker 1: they didn't call it. And I see Hi talking the

3865
02:46:16,160 --> 02:46:18,920
Speaker 1: official and I was like, they're gonna call holding. I

3866
02:46:19,120 --> 02:46:21,840
Speaker 1: was like, so I stir down, so I'm like, hey, Hi, Hi,

3867
02:46:22,000 --> 02:46:24,760
Speaker 1: go again. So he rushes again, flag comes out. I

3868
02:46:24,920 --> 02:46:26,960
Speaker 1: was like, pushes him back and before I'm like, I

3869
02:46:26,959 --> 02:46:28,880
Speaker 1: don't know how the hell like you just like you

3870
02:46:29,000 --> 02:46:32,840
Speaker 1: just see that stuff. So then you know again the

3871
02:46:32,879 --> 02:46:35,160
Speaker 1: whole thing was they weren't in control of the game.

3872
02:46:35,400 --> 02:46:36,400
Speaker 1: We were controlling the game.

3873
02:46:36,440 --> 02:46:36,920
Speaker 2: We were running.

3874
02:46:36,959 --> 02:46:38,760
Speaker 1: We were stopping the run now and now we got

3875
02:46:38,840 --> 02:46:42,640
Speaker 1: to cover a kick and slate those guys made able

3876
02:46:42,720 --> 02:46:45,520
Speaker 1: wile they pin them deep late in the game, and

3877
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:47,440
Speaker 1: I remember clicking on we stopped him on first time.

3878
02:46:47,440 --> 02:46:49,560
Speaker 1: Remember clicking on the bill and I go, hey, where

3879
02:46:49,600 --> 02:46:51,360
Speaker 1: about to win the Super Bowl? And the craziest rule

3880
02:46:51,400 --> 02:46:53,000
Speaker 1: that no one's ever seen before. I'm like, be ready

3881
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:54,880
Speaker 1: for a free kick because I was like, if they

3882
02:46:54,920 --> 02:46:56,480
Speaker 1: don't get any more yardage, I'm like, we're gonna fair

3883
02:46:56,520 --> 02:46:57,840
Speaker 1: catch this thing. And we're gonna We're gonna win the

3884
02:46:57,840 --> 02:46:59,600
Speaker 1: super Bowl. It's gonna be crazy. I think they got

3885
02:46:59,640 --> 02:47:01,160
Speaker 1: like seven and put us out, just out of it.

3886
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:03,600
Speaker 1: You know, they kicked it out and.

3887
02:47:04,280 --> 02:47:06,560
Speaker 2: I was thinking walk off because I went down to

3888
02:47:07,040 --> 02:47:09,600
Speaker 2: return the punt. I was sitting there like, all right, man,

3889
02:47:09,640 --> 02:47:16,400
Speaker 2: if I fucking walked this off, man, unbelievable. So so

3890
02:47:16,560 --> 02:47:19,640
Speaker 2: then you know, we go to overtime. We tried some

3891
02:47:19,680 --> 02:47:22,400
Speaker 2: other ship. Remember we tried the game cock bro, I

3892
02:47:22,480 --> 02:47:25,040
Speaker 2: mean blues Hamstring. It was it was like that was

3893
02:47:25,120 --> 02:47:28,200
Speaker 2: so bad. Game was like the annexation of Puerto Rico.

3894
02:47:28,360 --> 02:47:32,320
Speaker 2: Play for us guy like a bumble Roosky fake Neil

3895
02:47:32,480 --> 02:47:35,280
Speaker 2: handed over and fucking that was a crazy game.

3896
02:47:35,400 --> 02:47:35,920
Speaker 1: That was crazy.

3897
02:47:35,959 --> 02:47:36,960
Speaker 2: So then we win.

3898
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:41,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's bananas. I'm so we go through all the sale.

3899
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:44,400
Speaker 1: I get on the bus, right, So I get on

3900
02:47:44,480 --> 02:47:51,600
Speaker 1: the bus. Tom Tommy's in the back. It's Josh, Laura, myself, Rina, Bill,

3901
02:47:51,959 --> 02:47:56,119
Speaker 1: Tommy's in the back, and I'm literally like, did we win?

3902
02:47:56,360 --> 02:47:58,480
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know what happened? And Josh is

3903
02:47:58,480 --> 02:48:00,720
Speaker 1: looking at me and goes, hey, bro, goes I didn't.

3904
02:48:01,000 --> 02:48:03,280
Speaker 1: I didn't see any of the defense. I didn't see

3905
02:48:03,320 --> 02:48:05,400
Speaker 1: one play of the offense. It was because every series

3906
02:48:05,560 --> 02:48:07,280
Speaker 1: was like this has to go right in this so

3907
02:48:07,600 --> 02:48:09,600
Speaker 1: your catch. I didn't see that till the next day.

3908
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:11,680
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't see any of any of

3909
02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:13,880
Speaker 1: that happened during the game. And Josh was like, what

3910
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:14,400
Speaker 1: happened to you?

3911
02:48:14,560 --> 02:48:17,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, bro, we got the stackbacker left call.

3912
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:17,680
Speaker 2: He's like, you should just.

3913
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:19,720
Speaker 1: Catch Julian made and then we ran this and Josh

3914
02:48:19,760 --> 02:48:21,240
Speaker 1: and are trying to fill each other in because I'm like,

3915
02:48:21,440 --> 02:48:24,000
Speaker 1: I don't even know if we won and Bill. Bill

3916
02:48:24,080 --> 02:48:25,879
Speaker 1: turns around and he's like, hey, look, he goes, listen,

3917
02:48:26,160 --> 02:48:28,119
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, we got to play these guys

3918
02:48:28,160 --> 02:48:29,920
Speaker 1: next year. It's probably gonna be like the first game

3919
02:48:29,959 --> 02:48:31,920
Speaker 1: of the year. They'll probably do that. When we get back,

3920
02:48:31,959 --> 02:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Let's make sure we write down, like what was good.

3921
02:48:33,640 --> 02:48:34,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't even know if we won.

3922
02:48:34,840 --> 02:48:35,040
Speaker 1: Bill.

3923
02:48:35,200 --> 02:48:37,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, literally on the bus, I'm like, what are

3924
02:48:37,160 --> 02:48:38,240
Speaker 2: you talking about right now?

3925
02:48:38,560 --> 02:48:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, it was like holy Josh and

3926
02:48:45,280 --> 02:48:47,000
Speaker 1: I just looked at you and started laughing. I was like,

3927
02:48:47,080 --> 02:48:48,560
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? I don't even know if

3928
02:48:48,560 --> 02:48:49,200
Speaker 1: we won the game.

3929
02:48:49,280 --> 02:48:50,920
Speaker 2: When was the moment you knew we were gonna win

3930
02:48:51,040 --> 02:48:53,760
Speaker 2: fifty one? When when was the real were you saying

3931
02:48:53,840 --> 02:48:55,920
Speaker 2: right out of the locker room in halftime? I did,

3932
02:48:56,320 --> 02:48:58,680
Speaker 2: I was like, we're gonna win this game. I just

3933
02:48:58,840 --> 02:49:00,480
Speaker 2: I was just trying to be a rawer guy. Man,

3934
02:49:00,959 --> 02:49:02,440
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a hell of a story bed.

3935
02:49:02,680 --> 02:49:06,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. But you but you picked the right guy to

3936
02:49:06,959 --> 02:49:09,120
Speaker 1: talk to because Doran was in that mode. And I

3937
02:49:09,160 --> 02:49:11,480
Speaker 1: mean it, I was so blessed like to be around

3938
02:49:12,040 --> 02:49:13,880
Speaker 1: great guys and I mean, it's so many but it

3939
02:49:14,040 --> 02:49:16,800
Speaker 1: was like it was unreal. I mean obviously, I mean,

3940
02:49:16,959 --> 02:49:18,920
Speaker 1: you know, myla, I gotta to bring him up.

3941
02:49:19,040 --> 02:49:20,680
Speaker 2: Of course, Italians love Italians.

3942
02:49:20,720 --> 02:49:22,200
Speaker 1: The same thing I had with Welker. It was like

3943
02:49:22,240 --> 02:49:24,200
Speaker 1: I said it, I was like, we played Welker one

3944
02:49:24,280 --> 02:49:28,240
Speaker 1: year at Miami and we don't know Mari who played

3945
02:49:28,240 --> 02:49:30,640
Speaker 1: at Syracuse pulls his calf in warm up. Yeah, so

3946
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna just pull his calf and then

3947
02:49:32,480 --> 02:49:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm looking, I'm like, Wes Welker is kicking. Wes Welker

3948
02:49:36,800 --> 02:49:39,920
Speaker 1: kicked off kickfield goals, extra points caught like one hundred

3949
02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:41,680
Speaker 1: and thirty yards on me. I was like, we got

3950
02:49:41,720 --> 02:49:43,560
Speaker 1: them in the game. I was like, can we trade

3951
02:49:43,600 --> 02:49:44,800
Speaker 1: for this guy because I don't think I want to

3952
02:49:44,800 --> 02:49:45,680
Speaker 1: cover this guy anymore.

3953
02:49:45,920 --> 02:49:46,720
Speaker 2: This guy is Bruce.

3954
02:49:46,760 --> 02:49:48,800
Speaker 1: So we traded so the same thing we're getting Amadola.

3955
02:49:48,840 --> 02:49:51,400
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't, I don't want a game plan,

3956
02:49:51,480 --> 02:49:53,080
Speaker 1: you man, like, can we just get you over here

3957
02:49:53,120 --> 02:49:53,640
Speaker 1: on this side?

3958
02:49:53,680 --> 02:49:57,720
Speaker 3: And like you look, they all went out car shop

3959
02:49:57,800 --> 02:50:00,240
Speaker 3: and went ahead. The car in the garage already said

3960
02:50:00,240 --> 02:50:03,640
Speaker 3: we had we had a good bottle to the real

3961
02:50:03,720 --> 02:50:06,640
Speaker 3: car in the garage already in. We're just trying to

3962
02:50:06,680 --> 02:50:09,080
Speaker 3: get as many as possible, many as possible.

3963
02:50:09,240 --> 02:50:11,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, so Ami Dola and I I was I

3964
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:13,960
Speaker 2: love that I wanted to kill you all when you

3965
02:50:14,000 --> 02:50:14,800
Speaker 2: signed Amla.

3966
02:50:15,320 --> 02:50:16,520
Speaker 1: Do you know how much of a better player?

3967
02:50:16,720 --> 02:50:18,760
Speaker 2: I know, but I still wanted to murder you. Good,

3968
02:50:19,040 --> 02:50:22,320
Speaker 2: you should. I think that's what Bill like to. Bill

3969
02:50:22,440 --> 02:50:25,080
Speaker 2: used to sign me these contracts where he knew it

3970
02:50:25,200 --> 02:50:28,240
Speaker 2: was enough to make me satisfied but also enough to

3971
02:50:28,320 --> 02:50:30,800
Speaker 2: piss me off. Listen, you and me both. He did

3972
02:50:30,840 --> 02:50:31,520
Speaker 2: that with all of us.

3973
02:50:32,040 --> 02:50:34,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's like trying to negotiate a coaching contract

3974
02:50:34,320 --> 02:50:36,800
Speaker 1: in there. Hey, but I don't I don't think I should.

3975
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:39,920
Speaker 1: She think we should a little bit more here. He's like, yeah, no,

3976
02:50:42,080 --> 02:50:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep your place.

3977
02:50:43,560 --> 02:50:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Well.

3978
02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:51,080
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of Bill is like it was more

3979
02:50:51,400 --> 02:50:54,320
Speaker 1: intellectual than it was. Like I've been around coaches just

3980
02:50:54,400 --> 02:50:57,280
Speaker 1: like forrage. You eventually you're like all right, like I'm good.

3981
02:50:57,320 --> 02:50:59,560
Speaker 1: But it was the intellectual mind bombs that would go

3982
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:01,199
Speaker 1: off later and you're like, what did.

3983
02:51:01,080 --> 02:51:04,600
Speaker 2: You just say? Yeah he would, you know, you're like

3984
02:51:05,480 --> 02:51:06,960
Speaker 2: some of them, what did he say?

3985
02:51:07,280 --> 02:51:08,800
Speaker 1: The thing like you guys wouldn't see is like we

3986
02:51:08,840 --> 02:51:12,000
Speaker 1: would go on road trips and you know, we'd have

3987
02:51:12,040 --> 02:51:14,240
Speaker 1: the bus drivers and stuff, and like everybody be on

3988
02:51:14,280 --> 02:51:16,320
Speaker 1: the plane will be out there like giving them cash.

3989
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:18,560
Speaker 1: You know, he'd be like tipping on the bus drivers,

3990
02:51:18,959 --> 02:51:20,560
Speaker 1: like making sure that they were okay.

3991
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:21,240
Speaker 2: You know.

3992
02:51:21,480 --> 02:51:22,959
Speaker 1: Just that was all the stuff where.

3993
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,959
Speaker 2: He has a heart killing I love it, killing me. Bro,

3994
02:51:28,760 --> 02:51:32,040
Speaker 2: Let's name the game, Mattie P. Now, these are the

3995
02:51:32,120 --> 02:51:39,240
Speaker 2: names that we came up with. Sterling Steel, Sterling Steel Steel.

3996
02:51:40,200 --> 02:51:44,280
Speaker 2: See he's a fucking aeronautical instro. Bro, I got it.

3997
02:51:44,800 --> 02:51:47,640
Speaker 2: Score the game? Is this the greatest game of all time?

3998
02:51:47,879 --> 02:51:52,240
Speaker 2: Let's score it, Matty P. Zero to ten is okay?

3999
02:51:52,400 --> 02:51:54,480
Speaker 2: What are the states yeah, I love this game.

4000
02:51:55,400 --> 02:51:58,320
Speaker 1: It is an AFC championship game, so it's definitely above

4001
02:51:58,360 --> 02:52:01,120
Speaker 1: a seven seven at above a nine because it's not

4002
02:52:01,200 --> 02:52:05,080
Speaker 1: a championship game, so I'm probably the eight. What are

4003
02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:06,000
Speaker 1: we doing for Deskmalds here?

4004
02:52:06,400 --> 02:52:09,160
Speaker 2: They're okay eight point two eight point two? See the

4005
02:52:09,560 --> 02:52:11,959
Speaker 2: fucking Matty pe did this guy damn homework? Probably watched

4006
02:52:11,959 --> 02:52:16,400
Speaker 2: about fifteen of our shows just the grading Situationally watched

4007
02:52:16,480 --> 02:52:18,920
Speaker 2: this show. All Right, he's gonna all right, let me

4008
02:52:18,959 --> 02:52:20,840
Speaker 2: see what the intro is like. All right, let me

4009
02:52:20,879 --> 02:52:23,000
Speaker 2: see what the interviews like. All right, let's do the

4010
02:52:23,080 --> 02:52:25,440
Speaker 2: score segment. Okay, this is what they do in the

4011
02:52:25,480 --> 02:52:30,360
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, yeah, Mavericks owner he too much? Yeah,

4012
02:52:30,879 --> 02:52:35,600
Speaker 2: I would say an eight flat eight flat at a

4013
02:52:35,680 --> 02:52:38,520
Speaker 2: nine to three at eight? Hi. Hi.

4014
02:52:39,080 --> 02:52:41,720
Speaker 1: The other thing about this game, this was a start

4015
02:52:43,000 --> 02:52:45,680
Speaker 1: of us turning it around. We had gone through a

4016
02:52:45,720 --> 02:52:47,720
Speaker 1: couple of years of rebuilding, and then we had the

4017
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,120
Speaker 1: young guys that maybe had a couple of years in.

4018
02:52:49,640 --> 02:52:51,240
Speaker 1: We're still gonna add some pieces. We knew we had

4019
02:52:51,240 --> 02:52:53,600
Speaker 1: to add some pieces, but it was the start of

4020
02:52:53,760 --> 02:52:57,440
Speaker 1: what would become a very long, great, great run. And again,

4021
02:52:57,480 --> 02:53:00,040
Speaker 1: if you think about it, you know, twenty ten, we

4022
02:53:00,120 --> 02:53:01,920
Speaker 1: had a really good defense. Twenty ten, like we played

4023
02:53:01,920 --> 02:53:05,160
Speaker 1: but we weren't the best team. But again, like we

4024
02:53:05,240 --> 02:53:08,040
Speaker 1: were young still young were yeah, and we were building

4025
02:53:08,080 --> 02:53:11,160
Speaker 1: on defense. We hadn't started drafting all the defensive guys yet.

4026
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:14,600
Speaker 1: We had a couple. But two thousand and one, right

4027
02:53:15,000 --> 02:53:17,960
Speaker 1: to me, is kind of like twenty eleven. Thousand and

4028
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:21,400
Speaker 1: one starts a run of ten years of like unbelievable,

4029
02:53:21,560 --> 02:53:24,320
Speaker 1: Like twenty eleven started a run of like unbelievable play.

4030
02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:27,520
Speaker 1: It's it's crazy unbelievable.

4031
02:53:27,520 --> 02:53:30,279
Speaker 2: Star power struggle. I struggle with because.

4032
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Again, the beauty of this game to me is that

4033
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:35,000
Speaker 1: I think the star power is low on our side.

4034
02:53:35,000 --> 02:53:37,400
Speaker 1: Their side, I think it was high. I mean, look

4035
02:53:37,440 --> 02:53:39,720
Speaker 1: we had Tom Brady, so like that Trump's all of it, right,

4036
02:53:39,879 --> 02:53:42,360
Speaker 1: Like that makes all of it. Uh, you're young at

4037
02:53:42,400 --> 02:53:45,920
Speaker 1: this point, so you know and can play. So I

4038
02:53:46,000 --> 02:53:47,920
Speaker 1: think that's why I love the game is because the

4039
02:53:48,000 --> 02:53:50,520
Speaker 1: star power it's kind of lower, kind of scrappy, kind

4040
02:53:50,520 --> 02:53:54,080
Speaker 1: of gritty, kind of like you know, but but winners. Yeah,

4041
02:53:54,200 --> 02:53:55,880
Speaker 1: it just now if you take where they went to,

4042
02:53:56,000 --> 02:53:59,160
Speaker 1: where all you guys went to, star powers out out

4043
02:53:59,200 --> 02:54:02,040
Speaker 1: the chain, so if you graded at the time, it's low.

4044
02:54:02,440 --> 02:54:04,959
Speaker 1: If you're graded now, we're in the nines. A lot

4045
02:54:05,000 --> 02:54:09,280
Speaker 1: of really good names on that at the time. That's

4046
02:54:09,280 --> 02:54:10,680
Speaker 1: why I see, I'm trying to get a little clarity

4047
02:54:10,680 --> 02:54:11,880
Speaker 1: because I'd like this one to be up there a

4048
02:54:11,920 --> 02:54:13,800
Speaker 1: little bit. I won't be in like that fifty four

4049
02:54:13,920 --> 02:54:15,640
Speaker 1: range or whatever that was I saw last time on

4050
02:54:15,720 --> 02:54:18,440
Speaker 1: this thing, right, So I'm just saying, you know, overall,

4051
02:54:18,520 --> 02:54:19,720
Speaker 1: so I was trying to bump it up to like

4052
02:54:19,879 --> 02:54:23,040
Speaker 1: current would be like a nine to four, and current

4053
02:54:23,480 --> 02:54:26,000
Speaker 1: where it was during the time, Let's say it's it's

4054
02:54:26,080 --> 02:54:26,800
Speaker 1: probably an eight.

4055
02:54:27,480 --> 02:54:31,240
Speaker 2: Eight for us. Yeah, I mean you got two first

4056
02:54:31,280 --> 02:54:35,560
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Fame coaches, work coaches. It's star power

4057
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:36,000
Speaker 2: of the.

4058
02:54:37,640 --> 02:54:39,720
Speaker 1: Crowd. Oh god, Stephen Tyler.

4059
02:54:39,760 --> 02:54:41,760
Speaker 2: With Steven Tyler, I had to go like.

4060
02:54:41,800 --> 02:54:43,800
Speaker 1: Find the lady that made that so my wife could

4061
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:44,480
Speaker 1: get one and stand.

4062
02:54:45,000 --> 02:54:50,280
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a lot you could bump it up.

4063
02:54:50,280 --> 02:54:52,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Hall of Fame coaches, Steven Tyler.

4064
02:54:53,640 --> 02:54:56,280
Speaker 2: It's pretty big. This is real big. Potentially more Hall

4065
02:54:56,280 --> 02:54:58,360
Speaker 2: of Fame coaches because there's still a lot of meeting

4066
02:54:58,400 --> 02:54:59,600
Speaker 2: on a lot of careers, a lot of a lot

4067
02:54:59,640 --> 02:55:01,920
Speaker 2: of meat. Those bones for so a lot of these

4068
02:55:01,959 --> 02:55:06,920
Speaker 2: guys eight nine, I'll go eight five.

4069
02:55:08,240 --> 02:55:08,840
Speaker 1: Talk you into that.

4070
02:55:09,800 --> 02:55:12,360
Speaker 2: I went nine to one. I'm going high. Are you

4071
02:55:12,840 --> 02:55:14,840
Speaker 2: see Jackie Blaze's Patriot games?

4072
02:55:14,920 --> 02:55:15,120
Speaker 1: I do.

4073
02:55:15,320 --> 02:55:17,320
Speaker 2: I'm a homer. I am an unabashed homer.

4074
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:17,880
Speaker 1: I love it.

4075
02:55:18,120 --> 02:55:22,760
Speaker 2: The gameplay of this game at ep back forth. Yeah,

4076
02:55:22,840 --> 02:55:24,120
Speaker 2: how it's the field goals, I.

4077
02:55:25,480 --> 02:55:27,040
Speaker 1: Know, but like I know, people don't like field goals.

4078
02:55:27,080 --> 02:55:30,840
Speaker 1: People want touchdowns. But when you're calling defense, that is stressful.

4079
02:55:30,959 --> 02:55:33,080
Speaker 2: There's there's some stressful.

4080
02:55:32,640 --> 02:55:35,520
Speaker 1: Back and forth here. There's back to back turnovers. We

4081
02:55:35,640 --> 02:55:36,760
Speaker 1: picked it off, they picked it off.

4082
02:55:36,800 --> 02:55:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, you think you're good and good and then

4083
02:55:39,360 --> 02:55:41,240
Speaker 2: we throw the slate. That's right.

4084
02:55:41,400 --> 02:55:43,360
Speaker 1: So the back and forth in this the stress level

4085
02:55:43,400 --> 02:55:45,560
Speaker 1: of this game, it was pretty good. There's a lot

4086
02:55:45,640 --> 02:55:47,440
Speaker 1: riding and you put you know what we're playing for

4087
02:55:48,080 --> 02:55:51,120
Speaker 1: ira Craft all the rest of ye I was stressed.

4088
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:52,680
Speaker 1: This one was stressful. This was a nine to one

4089
02:55:52,720 --> 02:55:52,920
Speaker 1: for me.

4090
02:55:55,080 --> 02:55:55,959
Speaker 2: For me, there's.

4091
02:55:57,280 --> 02:55:58,680
Speaker 1: You could just get a lock combo in this one.

4092
02:55:58,680 --> 02:56:01,360
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was probably know we got receivers playing

4093
02:56:01,480 --> 02:56:03,720
Speaker 2: fucking dv in this game. Do you think the gameplay

4094
02:56:03,800 --> 02:56:08,200
Speaker 2: is going to be fallless? Jesus Christ, what do we do.

4095
02:56:08,520 --> 02:56:12,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go I'm gonna go E eight because it

4096
02:56:12,520 --> 02:56:15,560
Speaker 2: still was. It was an exciting fucking game, and it's Baltimore,

4097
02:56:16,360 --> 02:56:19,840
Speaker 2: Baltimore hated and they came into our stadium and beat

4098
02:56:19,879 --> 02:56:22,760
Speaker 2: our ass the last time in the playoffs went I

4099
02:56:22,840 --> 02:56:23,400
Speaker 2: went eight five.

4100
02:56:23,720 --> 02:56:25,560
Speaker 4: Missing a kick at the end of a game always

4101
02:56:25,680 --> 02:56:28,480
Speaker 4: is a little bit of a detractor for me. Giants

4102
02:56:28,520 --> 02:56:30,520
Speaker 4: won a Super Bowl doing that, and then they didn't

4103
02:56:30,520 --> 02:56:32,560
Speaker 4: have a good, good gameplay score right.

4104
02:56:33,360 --> 02:56:35,520
Speaker 1: Missing I think missing and blocking a field, all that

4105
02:56:35,600 --> 02:56:38,480
Speaker 1: stuff I think is just because they missed doesn't mean

4106
02:56:38,480 --> 02:56:41,240
Speaker 1: they didn't affect the kick. I don't think the rush

4107
02:56:41,280 --> 02:56:42,200
Speaker 1: didn't affect the kick.

4108
02:56:43,720 --> 02:56:45,119
Speaker 2: The stadium.

4109
02:56:47,959 --> 02:56:50,640
Speaker 1: Make them kick it in the closed end zone late

4110
02:56:50,760 --> 02:56:53,560
Speaker 1: in the year when the pattern of the wind goes

4111
02:56:53,600 --> 02:56:56,080
Speaker 1: from the open lighthouse across the field to their side,

4112
02:56:56,240 --> 02:56:58,280
Speaker 1: and the kicker is going to overcorrect for that and

4113
02:56:58,360 --> 02:56:59,160
Speaker 1: the wind dies.

4114
02:56:59,000 --> 02:57:00,680
Speaker 2: Right, and then you put the rush to the right

4115
02:57:00,840 --> 02:57:02,640
Speaker 2: so that he has to think, get it away from

4116
02:57:02,680 --> 02:57:05,640
Speaker 2: the rush. Hmmm, I'm going to move it up.

4117
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:07,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to stadiums and I'd be like,

4118
02:57:07,400 --> 02:57:10,440
Speaker 1: all right, what flag am I watching? Because you couldn't watch.

4119
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:13,560
Speaker 1: You couldn't watch the uprights. So there's there's every stadium

4120
02:57:14,160 --> 02:57:16,840
Speaker 1: at a list of what flag in that stadium was

4121
02:57:16,840 --> 02:57:18,879
Speaker 1: going to tell me the true direction of the wind? Wow?

4122
02:57:19,520 --> 02:57:23,440
Speaker 2: So who's who's the flag scouter? Like, who did we

4123
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:26,520
Speaker 2: higher on the staff to the scout out? Which flag

4124
02:57:26,680 --> 02:57:28,560
Speaker 2: is the wind flag scottio.

4125
02:57:29,160 --> 02:57:31,760
Speaker 1: You know, we can call on other teams like hey,

4126
02:57:31,840 --> 02:57:34,320
Speaker 1: what flag are we watching for the like, Hey, we're

4127
02:57:34,400 --> 02:57:37,360
Speaker 1: just trying to, you know, do everything. We could win

4128
02:57:37,520 --> 02:57:40,080
Speaker 1: where you could be the Buffalo wind because that was

4129
02:57:40,120 --> 02:57:40,800
Speaker 1: crazy over there.

4130
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:43,840
Speaker 2: I played the night before in two thousand and eight.

4131
02:57:43,879 --> 02:57:47,560
Speaker 2: You're talking about the two thousand and eight win where ridiculous.

4132
02:57:47,920 --> 02:57:48,280
Speaker 2: I play.

4133
02:57:48,360 --> 02:57:51,080
Speaker 1: Weather games were the most amazing things I've ever been

4134
02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:51,400
Speaker 1: a part of.

4135
02:57:51,840 --> 02:57:55,160
Speaker 2: I played the Saturday before you guys played in my

4136
02:57:55,360 --> 02:58:00,600
Speaker 2: last college game at Buffalo against Buffalo. That's awesome and

4137
02:58:00,680 --> 02:58:03,600
Speaker 2: that wind, that that crazy win game where you didn't throw. Remember,

4138
02:58:04,080 --> 02:58:06,039
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the Mac Jones one.

4139
02:58:07,080 --> 02:58:08,720
Speaker 1: Was the most amazing win I've ever seen. That was

4140
02:58:09,280 --> 02:58:13,240
Speaker 1: sixty had chains. They had chains holding the uprights for

4141
02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:17,120
Speaker 1: just ripping off. I literally told the DBS, I said,

4142
02:58:17,160 --> 02:58:18,960
Speaker 1: listen because the wind was blown across the field to

4143
02:58:19,000 --> 02:58:21,160
Speaker 1: their sideline. I said, play the top of the numbers

4144
02:58:21,200 --> 02:58:21,840
Speaker 1: as the sideline.

4145
02:58:22,879 --> 02:58:23,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

4146
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,160
Speaker 1: I go move everything inside. They're not going to be

4147
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:26,160
Speaker 1: able to throw it outside.

4148
02:58:26,280 --> 02:58:29,520
Speaker 2: It was that. It was really unreal. I changed my

4149
02:58:29,560 --> 02:58:32,680
Speaker 2: score to eight six. That might be a first and

4150
02:58:33,760 --> 02:58:36,600
Speaker 2: Maddy p Lastly, to top it off, we had to

4151
02:58:36,680 --> 02:58:38,800
Speaker 2: score the name of the game, which you came up with,

4152
02:58:38,879 --> 02:58:41,280
Speaker 2: the fucking killer little name that I just yeah, I

4153
02:58:41,400 --> 02:58:44,400
Speaker 2: kind of like it as the Sterling stealing steel Man.

4154
02:58:44,480 --> 02:58:46,720
Speaker 1: This is like a guy's legacy right here, if we're

4155
02:58:46,720 --> 02:58:50,120
Speaker 1: talking about a dude's legacy. Sterling Steel, fucking Sterling Sterling

4156
02:58:50,200 --> 02:58:52,240
Speaker 1: made some money, got us to the Super Bowl.

4157
02:58:52,920 --> 02:58:54,600
Speaker 2: They've definitely made a couple of ducats off of it.

4158
02:58:54,680 --> 02:58:56,600
Speaker 2: That's pretty tight right there. You know his coaching right now.

4159
02:58:56,600 --> 02:58:57,520
Speaker 2: I think it is highlight.

4160
02:58:57,680 --> 02:58:59,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, whole highlight on the ESPN form.

4161
02:58:59,480 --> 02:59:03,600
Speaker 2: It's a nine nine five Sterling Steel game. I'm gonna

4162
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:07,360
Speaker 2: go with an eight to two eight two. That's low. Well,

4163
02:59:07,360 --> 02:59:09,640
Speaker 2: I mean you got to think about this, Matt, I

4164
02:59:09,720 --> 02:59:13,600
Speaker 2: think about it. We did the immaculate reception culturally, do

4165
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:18,520
Speaker 2: you we're talking about that? Huh? I didn't we're not.

4166
02:59:19,160 --> 02:59:22,920
Speaker 2: But we know that game from nineteen seventy something and

4167
02:59:23,040 --> 02:59:26,480
Speaker 2: it's fifty years past. Fifty years. You give that one,

4168
02:59:27,120 --> 02:59:29,760
Speaker 2: Hi hi, Hi, okay, so go a little bit. I

4169
02:59:29,800 --> 02:59:32,960
Speaker 2: went seventy. No low, that didn't go high high. I

4170
02:59:33,040 --> 02:59:36,039
Speaker 2: gave that one maybe like a nine. Really, what's ten?

4171
02:59:37,240 --> 02:59:37,440
Speaker 5: Is there?

4172
02:59:37,840 --> 02:59:41,200
Speaker 2: There's no you played for Coach Belichick. There's no perfect game.

4173
02:59:41,600 --> 02:59:43,720
Speaker 2: I won a Super Bowl MVP and I almost had

4174
02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:46,879
Speaker 2: a perfect play call out sheet, but I still remember

4175
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:50,160
Speaker 2: three plays that keep me up at night. So it

4176
02:59:50,320 --> 02:59:52,640
Speaker 2: wasn't a perfect game. Like when you when you eat

4177
02:59:52,640 --> 02:59:54,960
Speaker 2: a burger? Have you ever had a ten burger? And

4178
02:59:55,040 --> 02:59:57,360
Speaker 2: if you're telling me yes, and I'm definitely needing some,

4179
03:00:00,040 --> 03:00:02,720
Speaker 2: knock you off your socks and you'll go back. Seven

4180
03:00:02,720 --> 03:00:05,200
Speaker 2: to five will bring you back. Seven five will bring

4181
03:00:05,280 --> 03:00:08,000
Speaker 2: you back. So anything in ninees is like, oh my god,

4182
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:10,360
Speaker 2: what the you're talking about? Don't talk me down. I'm

4183
03:00:10,360 --> 03:00:11,039
Speaker 2: trying to talk you up.

4184
03:00:11,080 --> 03:00:13,520
Speaker 4: All right, it's this cultural impact.

4185
03:00:13,840 --> 03:00:16,400
Speaker 2: Can I get a retraction? You can change it? All right,

4186
03:00:16,720 --> 03:00:17,000
Speaker 2: let's go.

4187
03:00:17,080 --> 03:00:17,920
Speaker 4: I did at eight point one.

4188
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:18,840
Speaker 2: I'm four.

4189
03:00:19,160 --> 03:00:22,680
Speaker 4: Terry Bradshaw did a ten even on the Immaculate Reception.

4190
03:00:23,000 --> 03:00:26,320
Speaker 2: He might be with my with my retraction.

4191
03:00:27,040 --> 03:00:27,200
Speaker 1: Four.

4192
03:00:27,440 --> 03:00:29,720
Speaker 2: All right, what does that put us? This is going

4193
03:00:29,800 --> 03:00:30,160
Speaker 2: to be high.

4194
03:00:30,840 --> 03:00:37,440
Speaker 4: Puts us right here, just tenth. It's just ahead of

4195
03:00:37,480 --> 03:00:39,400
Speaker 4: the Statue of Liberty Game two thousand and seven fest

4196
03:00:39,440 --> 03:00:42,520
Speaker 4: the ball stay for Oklahoma, and just behind the nineteen

4197
03:00:42,600 --> 03:00:44,560
Speaker 4: ninety nine Women's World Cup China USA.

4198
03:00:45,280 --> 03:00:49,200
Speaker 2: This is the diving board to the next generation of

4199
03:00:49,320 --> 03:00:54,840
Speaker 2: the dynasty, This twenty eleven team, This hardship that we

4200
03:00:54,959 --> 03:00:58,240
Speaker 2: had to learn the very two weeks, the next two

4201
03:00:58,280 --> 03:01:00,840
Speaker 2: weeks later, whatever leadership.

4202
03:01:00,480 --> 03:01:02,600
Speaker 1: You guys learned, you know, like again, like I'm just

4203
03:01:02,920 --> 03:01:06,120
Speaker 1: remember like all the young guys that came in, like

4204
03:01:06,200 --> 03:01:09,160
Speaker 1: you guys had big You guys had ginormous shoes to film.

4205
03:01:09,280 --> 03:01:12,039
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ginormous shoes. You think I loved hearing about

4206
03:01:12,120 --> 03:01:15,279
Speaker 2: fucking the other Patriots. I wanted to win Super Bowls

4207
03:01:15,440 --> 03:01:18,240
Speaker 2: just as so Bill could stop talking about Teddy Bruce Ski,

4208
03:01:18,400 --> 03:01:19,000
Speaker 2: Troy Brown.

4209
03:01:19,080 --> 03:01:20,200
Speaker 1: What do you think that was the brilliance of it?

4210
03:01:21,440 --> 03:01:25,320
Speaker 1: I mean, like my linebacker room, like Teddy Bruski, Mike Junior,

4211
03:01:25,800 --> 03:01:28,960
Speaker 1: William McGinn, it's Roosevelt Colvin and Dahlius Thomas larry Is.

4212
03:01:29,280 --> 03:01:31,600
Speaker 2: But it motivated me to it motivated me to want

4213
03:01:31,640 --> 03:01:33,400
Speaker 2: to say, I want to make our stamp on it.

4214
03:01:34,120 --> 03:01:38,600
Speaker 2: So like it was a great motivation factory because you

4215
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:41,520
Speaker 2: definitely you love the guys to death and you respect

4216
03:01:41,560 --> 03:01:44,720
Speaker 2: them because they were always around. But like we wanted

4217
03:01:44,760 --> 03:01:46,640
Speaker 2: to be something, you know, you wanted to be in

4218
03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:50,720
Speaker 2: that level that was like a fucking a shooting star

4219
03:01:50,840 --> 03:01:53,000
Speaker 2: that you're looking at. You guys grew and they went

4220
03:01:53,120 --> 03:01:57,840
Speaker 2: back to back. We never did close fucking bullshit S three.

4221
03:01:58,760 --> 03:01:59,920
Speaker 2: We still got three back to back.

4222
03:02:00,560 --> 03:02:03,920
Speaker 1: We played, we won twenty one in a row. Yeah,

4223
03:02:04,240 --> 03:02:06,440
Speaker 1: that was twenty one games in a row. We want

4224
03:02:07,400 --> 03:02:11,920
Speaker 1: until it was Halloween. It was Halloween in Pittsburgh two

4225
03:02:11,920 --> 03:02:14,840
Speaker 1: thousand and four, So twenty one in a row. You

4226
03:02:14,879 --> 03:02:16,560
Speaker 1: haven't lost in twenty one games the NFL.

4227
03:02:16,600 --> 03:02:17,640
Speaker 2: That's crazy, man.

4228
03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:19,840
Speaker 1: We're at the end here, Yeah, because I got I

4229
03:02:19,879 --> 03:02:21,400
Speaker 1: got I got something.

4230
03:02:22,240 --> 03:02:26,280
Speaker 2: What do you got something? Well? Before that, did we

4231
03:02:26,360 --> 03:02:27,640
Speaker 2: miss anything from this game?

4232
03:02:27,959 --> 03:02:31,920
Speaker 1: Thank you the guys that were out there, And like

4233
03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:34,120
Speaker 1: I said, I've been waiting like ten years to get

4234
03:02:34,480 --> 03:02:38,119
Speaker 1: an offensive guy on the defensive field. Kidding me again,

4235
03:02:38,200 --> 03:02:41,160
Speaker 1: it was just I wouldn't say there was there was

4236
03:02:41,200 --> 03:02:43,360
Speaker 1: stars on the field, but there was stars waiting to

4237
03:02:43,440 --> 03:02:44,959
Speaker 1: be born on the field and that's.

4238
03:02:44,800 --> 03:02:48,880
Speaker 2: Cool, yeah to me. So maybe time to let the

4239
03:02:49,400 --> 03:02:51,080
Speaker 2: ways day.

4240
03:02:52,959 --> 03:02:53,560
Speaker 1: I got something for you.

4241
03:02:53,640 --> 03:02:54,080
Speaker 2: What do you get?

4242
03:02:54,120 --> 03:02:55,880
Speaker 1: So when I got back to New England, right, So

4243
03:02:55,959 --> 03:02:57,959
Speaker 1: I left for a little while, took a cup of coffee.

4244
03:02:59,240 --> 03:03:00,840
Speaker 2: On the Midwest. I come back.

4245
03:03:01,879 --> 03:03:04,400
Speaker 1: New England is my home. You know, the fans and

4246
03:03:04,800 --> 03:03:06,000
Speaker 1: you know I love it there and my kids were

4247
03:03:06,040 --> 03:03:07,960
Speaker 1: born there and all that stuff and you guys. Right,

4248
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:09,480
Speaker 1: So I got back to New England. It was very

4249
03:03:09,480 --> 03:03:11,760
Speaker 1: emotional for me to go in that building. Now I'm

4250
03:03:11,760 --> 03:03:13,480
Speaker 1: coming in a different role. I'm coming in because Nick

4251
03:03:13,560 --> 03:03:15,360
Speaker 1: left and Bill needs me to do the GM stuff

4252
03:03:15,400 --> 03:03:17,360
Speaker 1: and kind of oversee and just be his eyes and

4253
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:20,160
Speaker 1: ears and all that stuff. So as the GM when

4254
03:03:20,160 --> 03:03:24,080
Speaker 1: I get back, you know, your situation was coming up.

4255
03:03:24,760 --> 03:03:28,320
Speaker 1: So talking to Don Don was amazing. He and I

4256
03:03:28,400 --> 03:03:35,040
Speaker 1: went amazing conversations. And so you were going to retire. Yeah,

4257
03:03:35,680 --> 03:03:38,080
Speaker 1: I was in this situation, was like, all right, well

4258
03:03:38,120 --> 03:03:42,720
Speaker 1: here's here's here's a legendary Patriot player that I've watched

4259
03:03:42,920 --> 03:03:45,800
Speaker 1: just grow up before my eyes. Someone I admire, someone

4260
03:03:45,879 --> 03:03:49,400
Speaker 1: that worked hard, just did it our way and really special.

4261
03:03:49,480 --> 03:03:53,040
Speaker 1: You're a special person. So when it was all settled

4262
03:03:53,040 --> 03:03:54,560
Speaker 1: and everything was worked out and you were going to retire.

4263
03:03:55,320 --> 03:03:57,080
Speaker 1: So my office was Nick's office, which is next to

4264
03:03:57,280 --> 03:04:00,600
Speaker 1: the personnel room. So I walked into the personnel room

4265
03:04:00,640 --> 03:04:02,960
Speaker 1: and we had the personnel board in there for the

4266
03:04:03,000 --> 03:04:05,560
Speaker 1: Patriots has all the players on the team throw up

4267
03:04:05,600 --> 03:04:08,039
Speaker 1: in magnets in the name tags. So usually when someone

4268
03:04:08,240 --> 03:04:10,960
Speaker 1: retires or leaves or whatever, it is like, you know,

4269
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:13,360
Speaker 1: like one of the young guys in the scotting apartment

4270
03:04:13,400 --> 03:04:15,040
Speaker 1: comes in and just grabs a name and he's gets

4271
03:04:15,200 --> 03:04:18,960
Speaker 1: thrown away or it gets uh maybe put in the

4272
03:04:19,000 --> 03:04:21,120
Speaker 1: back corner or whatever. And I just, you know, always

4273
03:04:21,160 --> 03:04:22,959
Speaker 1: felt like those names to me that we had up

4274
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:24,920
Speaker 1: on that board represented so much more than just a

4275
03:04:24,959 --> 03:04:29,240
Speaker 1: piece of paper. I just and knowing you, I just

4276
03:04:29,320 --> 03:04:32,080
Speaker 1: kind of went in and I was like, I don't know,

4277
03:04:32,120 --> 03:04:33,880
Speaker 1: I just got to take this off the board and

4278
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:36,320
Speaker 1: I took your name and I.

4279
03:04:37,800 --> 03:04:43,720
Speaker 2: Opened that my guy. Then we start crying. Matty P.

4280
03:04:45,200 --> 03:04:45,640
Speaker 5: Got here.

4281
03:04:53,600 --> 03:04:55,120
Speaker 1: So that was your name tag that was on the

4282
03:04:55,160 --> 03:04:58,120
Speaker 1: personnel board at the Patriots while you were playing. I

4283
03:04:58,120 --> 03:05:00,120
Speaker 1: don't know if it always got updated because it was

4284
03:05:00,160 --> 03:05:02,440
Speaker 1: on there for a while, but I didn't want that

4285
03:05:02,560 --> 03:05:05,480
Speaker 1: to just go anywhere. I thought that it should go

4286
03:05:05,560 --> 03:05:08,120
Speaker 1: to you. And so for whatever reason, how many here

4287
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:10,680
Speaker 1: every year as it is now, I back then grabbed

4288
03:05:10,680 --> 03:05:14,120
Speaker 1: it in the moment and I've just kept it all

4289
03:05:14,200 --> 03:05:14,680
Speaker 1: these years.

4290
03:05:15,360 --> 03:05:18,480
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, I thought it was it's got my

4291
03:05:18,600 --> 03:05:19,280
Speaker 2: salary on there.

4292
03:05:19,480 --> 03:05:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a salary. There's no doubt

4293
03:05:22,480 --> 03:05:23,800
Speaker 1: we had a salary on there, of course.

4294
03:05:24,240 --> 03:05:27,400
Speaker 2: But uh, what is uh nine and a half? Okay,

4295
03:05:28,240 --> 03:05:30,640
Speaker 2: twenty nine nine and a half there? Your hand size?

4296
03:05:30,760 --> 03:05:32,720
Speaker 2: Is that? That is my hand size? I am that's

4297
03:05:32,800 --> 03:05:34,520
Speaker 2: that's a big hand for my size.

4298
03:05:34,680 --> 03:05:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was to me, those tags on the

4299
03:05:37,560 --> 03:05:39,320
Speaker 1: board represented more than just piece of paper.

4300
03:05:39,600 --> 03:05:41,640
Speaker 2: Dude, I appreciate that. I love you, man, I love

4301
03:05:41,720 --> 03:05:43,520
Speaker 2: you too, buddy, I really do know. This is what

4302
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:46,280
Speaker 2: this is. When you go into a general manager your office,

4303
03:05:46,879 --> 03:05:49,960
Speaker 2: they always had the they could slide something so you

4304
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:53,160
Speaker 2: couldn't see the names board. I would always sneak up

4305
03:05:53,200 --> 03:05:55,840
Speaker 2: in there. Once I look and see the depth chart,

4306
03:05:55,920 --> 03:05:58,200
Speaker 2: Well you can see where what the guys were taking

4307
03:05:58,280 --> 03:06:01,400
Speaker 2: through their depth charts, you know, they plot out the

4308
03:06:01,440 --> 03:06:04,720
Speaker 2: team on how they wanted to build it. Thank you, man,

4309
03:06:04,760 --> 03:06:07,600
Speaker 2: that's so that's I appreciate you. I love you to death.

4310
03:06:07,680 --> 03:06:08,040
Speaker 2: Mattie P.

4311
03:06:08,879 --> 03:06:10,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it.

4312
03:06:10,000 --> 03:06:12,240
Speaker 2: I appreciate you coming on. Anything else from you guys,

4313
03:06:12,720 --> 03:06:15,760
Speaker 2: that was unbelievable. I feel like my ball knowledge is

4314
03:06:16,600 --> 03:06:19,080
Speaker 2: my Oh I man, that was an honor. Thank you

4315
03:06:19,160 --> 03:06:21,000
Speaker 2: so much. That's why we do the show for conversations

4316
03:06:21,040 --> 03:06:25,280
Speaker 2: like this, and everyone go out and check out. Coach

4317
03:06:25,840 --> 03:06:28,280
Speaker 2: Matty P wrote it, He's helped producing it. I think

4318
03:06:28,320 --> 03:06:30,640
Speaker 2: he's doing all the nuts and bolts of it. It's

4319
03:06:30,680 --> 03:06:34,439
Speaker 2: with matt it's Matty Pea's in it, Coach Belichick, Mike Lombardi,

4320
03:06:34,959 --> 03:06:39,080
Speaker 2: it's and I listen to it every week just because

4321
03:06:39,640 --> 03:06:43,160
Speaker 2: that's how they would talk in our team meetings a

4322
03:06:43,240 --> 03:06:45,160
Speaker 2: lot of time. But also then you hear the buddy

4323
03:06:45,200 --> 03:06:47,680
Speaker 2: buddy shit what they would say, probably in the staff meetings,

4324
03:06:48,360 --> 03:06:51,440
Speaker 2: So I always like to hear that stuff. But it's

4325
03:06:51,480 --> 03:06:54,400
Speaker 2: a great content. I appreciate you coming out, man, And

4326
03:06:54,480 --> 03:06:58,960
Speaker 2: I wait, last before anything, best friends with the big guy? Yeah,

4327
03:07:00,600 --> 03:07:04,280
Speaker 2: all right, So why is he dodging me? Why he

4328
03:07:04,400 --> 03:07:08,360
Speaker 2: dodging Why is he dodging games with names in the nuthouse.

4329
03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:10,640
Speaker 2: I think he's I think he's just you know, he's busy,

4330
03:07:11,040 --> 03:07:14,040
Speaker 2: busy stuff going on. You're on the West Coast. Had

4331
03:07:14,040 --> 03:07:15,400
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff going on in my life. You

4332
03:07:15,440 --> 03:07:17,160
Speaker 2: know what, I know what he told me to do. No,

4333
03:07:17,400 --> 03:07:20,400
Speaker 2: put it in the draw He said, take everything, and

4334
03:07:20,520 --> 03:07:23,080
Speaker 2: you put it in a fucking drawer and when the

4335
03:07:23,200 --> 03:07:26,800
Speaker 2: season's over you could deal with it. Yeah, okay, I

4336
03:07:26,920 --> 03:07:30,360
Speaker 2: put it in for thirteen years. Put it in the drawer. Coach,

4337
03:07:30,400 --> 03:07:31,800
Speaker 2: I just want you to come talk ball.

4338
03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:35,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well just think how fool his drawers. There's a

4339
03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:35,600
Speaker 1: lot in there.

4340
03:07:35,800 --> 03:07:36,039
Speaker 2: Yeah.

4341
03:07:36,280 --> 03:07:36,960
Speaker 1: Here, how about this?

4342
03:07:37,800 --> 03:07:37,920
Speaker 2: Uh?

4343
03:07:38,879 --> 03:07:40,680
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna have to join social media?

4344
03:07:41,200 --> 03:07:41,720
Speaker 2: Well are you?

4345
03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:42,840
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna do it tomorrow?

4346
03:07:43,240 --> 03:07:43,560
Speaker 2: Let's go.

4347
03:07:44,400 --> 03:07:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's running Coach Belichick's Instagram?

4348
03:07:48,560 --> 03:07:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Thank you forgetting it all.

4349
03:07:52,920 --> 03:07:53,200
Speaker 1: Maddie.

4350
03:07:54,040 --> 03:07:54,680
Speaker 2: What a game.

4351
03:07:55,840 --> 03:07:58,920
Speaker 4: The lighting has changed, audience, because we're still here forty

4352
03:07:58,959 --> 03:07:59,959
Speaker 4: eight hours after.

4353
03:08:01,320 --> 03:08:04,360
Speaker 2: Day has turned tonight, the night has turned back today.

4354
03:08:04,760 --> 03:08:08,640
Speaker 2: You don't become a rocket scientist by just not knowing everything.

4355
03:08:08,760 --> 03:08:12,320
Speaker 4: Great episode. Amazing man, He's he hung around later too,

4356
03:08:12,480 --> 03:08:12,800
Speaker 4: was great.

4357
03:08:13,000 --> 03:08:14,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, Maddy p is a good one. He's one of

4358
03:08:14,959 --> 03:08:17,760
Speaker 2: He's a good dude. We're smarter ball knowers. From from

4359
03:08:17,840 --> 03:08:20,520
Speaker 2: hearing that it's good to have defense perspective. It is.

4360
03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:22,480
Speaker 2: You know, if you don't know what a double mugg

4361
03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:23,880
Speaker 2: is by now, you didn't listen to this episode. You

4362
03:08:23,920 --> 03:08:27,640
Speaker 2: didn't listen to the goddamn episode. Okay, but Matty pe

4363
03:08:27,800 --> 03:08:30,640
Speaker 2: got us. You gotta explain it to kindergarten people. Okay.

4364
03:08:30,640 --> 03:08:33,920
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be in TV, you know you can't

4365
03:08:33,959 --> 03:08:38,680
Speaker 2: say double mug fire zone six. This that I mean,

4366
03:08:38,760 --> 03:08:42,560
Speaker 2: come on, buh. Part of what makes Maddy po safety Blitz.

4367
03:08:43,160 --> 03:08:47,640
Speaker 2: And that's been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe

4368
03:08:47,680 --> 03:08:50,400
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4369
03:08:50,440 --> 03:08:52,720
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4370
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4373
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