WEBVTT - Ep. 403: Rattling Bucks with Joe Rogan 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:12.760 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:18.319 severely bug bitten in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear. For 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.959 every hunt, First Light, Go farther, stay longer. All right, everybody, 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:38.879 we are excited to announce that we have identified our 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:42.240 next opportunity to ensure more access to hunting and fishing. 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.320 This year, we are partnering with the Trust for Public 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.720 Lands to support the Montana Great Outdoors Project. Remember last 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:52.680 time we did something all the way across the country 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:56.240 over in Maine. This time we're doing it in Montana, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.520 the Montana Great Outdoors Project. This project consists of a 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:05.800 sea areas of permanent easements across one fourteen thousand acres 0:01:05.840 --> 0:01:10.480 of Timber Company land. These easements will prevent development and 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:15.319 ensure continued access to hunting and fishing and perpetuity. Getting 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:19.120 these easements in place not only provides direct access to 0:01:19.280 --> 0:01:24.759 one fourteen thousand acres of private property, but increased access 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.000 to the existing public lands that surround the area. So 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:31.959 there you have it. That's what the two thousand and 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:36.759 twenty two Meat Eater Land Access Initiative funds are going 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:46.720 to try to start off. How how was it getting 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:51.680 your first um, your first wild hawk. Oh, it's fantastic. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.520 H it was fast. It was fast. It was unexpected 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:01.800 because we headed out with the intent of Joe hunting 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:06.840 Nil guy and you guys getting some white tail. And 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.680 the first thing that we saw were a couple of pigs. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.160 And you're a lot, grab the riffle, let's go. So 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:18.360 how far were we was from the road to the 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:23.120 pigs couple hundred yards and you took off and I 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.799 just followed you, and we're trying to get close enough 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:33.240 to them and out of wind down wind, and then 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.760 you said, we probably got to about a hundred yards. 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.480 You set up those stick that stick tripod for me, 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.800 and uh, you're making sure that I I saw the 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.720 largest one in my sites, which was a black one. 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.880 I think there was like a pink, two pinks. I 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:57.160 think there were three, all white tand I didn't see 0:02:57.160 --> 0:03:01.640 a red tan. That's kind of a I mean a 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:10.320 neutral color. I don't know. I thought lighter. It wasn't 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.959 a pink one that we're scoping out. So's this larger 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:19.919 black one, and it looked from that distance huge, because 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.360 everything seems to look really really large when you're far 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:27.600 away from it. But I think you maybe thought I 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.800 was gonna take a little bit more time to set 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:32.120 up because you were still talking to me, and I'm like, 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.000 no, no no, no, like I'm going to shoot, and you're 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:35.920 still talking to me. I'm like, I'm going to shoot. 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.520 And then it was quartered away from me, and uh. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:42.320 I was a little shaky on the on the tripod, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:44.680 but I just I shot, and you know when you 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:48.800 hear that, like, so I knew I hit it. Father 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:53.880 described as hitting the pumpkin with a bat m. That 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:58.320 was his noise for whenever he's telling how good, yeah, 0:03:58.640 --> 0:04:06.680 how good? He hits on with Uh. But I made 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.920 a mistake and then I didn't continue to look through 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:15.280 the scope. I raised my head and I didn't automatically 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.240 rack another one. So for the future, I mean, that's 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:21.880 just always something that I should remember when you shoot once, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:25.160 you know, just you know, because it might not be dead. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:28.880 And in this case, that pig wasn't dead and he 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.200 ran off. I panicked a little bit. I couldn't get 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:35.160 off another shot because I had did I had done 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.200 made some little mistakes right after, and uh, we took 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.359 off trying to find him, and you were preparing me 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.920 for the fact that we really might not find him 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:48.159 because he ran off. Kind of I knew that he 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:51.680 was hit, but I didn't know how injured he really was. Um, 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:54.560 and then we kind of got to the end. Uh 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:57.080 we got to the start of the tree line, and 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:00.160 like ten yards in there he was and that is it. 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.839 But he wasn't. Yeah, well you were all tore up 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:05.440 about it. But let me point this out to you. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:11.320 Had you had you shot and I had said, Okay, 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.000 we're just gonna wait ten minutes and then we'll go check. Right, 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:20.039 you're gonna learn him and laying there dead. It's just 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:22.640 that you got over there quick enough to see what was. 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.680 You witnessed what you have to do, which is always 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.679 going to happen anyways of you just having to witness 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:31.760 it happened, and he felt bad about it, but you 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.160 would never You wouldn't have known if you hadn't have 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:38.040 been there, Like it was mortally wounded and it died 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:42.279 and it was maybe like ing it through the brain, 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:47.440 you know, that's the that's the process. Yeah, it was 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:51.840 just hard to see my little zodiac Chinese zodiac spirit animal. 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:55.560 But you're gonna do a bunch of Chinese stuff with it. 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:59.440 I would love to do some because you're not gonna 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:12.800 do Jewish off with it. That's that's right. Here's how 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:18.200 the rab. No. I would love to try to do 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.520 a little bit of char shoe, which is like the 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:31.080 roast roast pork. Unfortunately, oftentimes when you see it in restaurants, uh, 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:36.719 it's got that horrible red food coloring die around, which 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:41.680 I will not not do. Um, but just just salt peter, 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.960 Is that what they're putting in there? No, it's red food. Yeah, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:49.359 it's just like, yeah, I haven't thought about that too much. Yeah, Um, 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:52.320 I actually I'll probably maybe I'll ask you, Jesse, or 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.200 ask one of my Chinese chef friends the best way 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.559 to do that, because I've ever I've never made something 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.080 like that when you were gonna at home, Let's say 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.120 you make ten meals. How many of them are sort 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:07.680 of like somewhat informed by Chinese cooking? Um, probably a 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.440 fair amount. Um. I wouldn't call me myself like great 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.760 in the kitchen, but I grew up on just real 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:17.600 simple stir fries that my mom, mads would always be 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:22.200 steam rice. Um. There would always be some kind of vegetable, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.680 typically a Chinese vegetable stir fry, you know, onions, garlic, 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.040 and either like a back choy or like nap a cabbage, um, 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.600 any kind of Chinese leafy green or um like sauteid 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:43.120 string beans. And then a protein, often pork or beef, 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.040 sometimes chicken, but um my mom, and it's just like 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:52.680 really that standard marinade of like soy Chinese cooking wine, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:56.240 a little bit of corn starch, uh, maybe a little 0:07:56.280 --> 0:08:01.720 bit of oyster sauce. Um, what am I forgetting? Sometimes 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:05.840 maybe like a five spice powder in that some sesame 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:09.960 oil and you just leave that for a short amount 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.360 of time to a longer amount of time to overnight 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.280 you know, um, and then just kind of like high 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.920 heat and a walk. And that's what I ate almost 0:08:19.000 --> 0:08:22.600 all the time. Yeah. So the Chinese don't call Chinese 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:28.960 five spice powder Chinese right, right, probably just called it 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:33.319 five spice patter. Um. But yeah, so a fair amount 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.160 of stuff that I cook at home is just like 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.959 a is a stir fry. So the wild game that 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.040 I have in the f in the freezers is not 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.720 really ground. Like last year with my dear and this 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.199 year with my dear, I didn't grind a bit of it, um, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.640 because I'll just do all the different cuts kind of 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.880 in a stir fry, in a braise. I've got nothing 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.360 against sausage and burger I love it, but I just 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.360 I just don't really grind. And I it's not that 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:04.040 Asian cooking doesn't incorporate like ground meat, but I just 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.360 haven't haven't gone in that direction. Yeah. Also joined by 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:20.000 Jesse Griffiths and uh, Mr Joe Rogan, Hi, what um, 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.400 what are your impressions of of what are your impressions 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.520 of of hanging out down here? Joe? This is my 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:31.120 first time doing like a real Texas hunting ranch experience, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:33.960 because everybody tells you it's like I've been here, I've 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.480 living here for two years and everyone's like, have you 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:38.560 a hunted in Texas yet? Of here? So now I 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.920 can finally say I have, and uh, it's very interesting. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:45.920 It's like seeing all these exotic animals and this enormous ranch. 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:50.800 It's it's really cool. It's really cool. And uh, the 0:09:50.840 --> 0:09:53.960 coolest by far was the rattling in of the white tails. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.080 That's the coolest thing ever. That is the coolest thing ever. 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:01.400 The way it works so well, it's it's bonkers, like 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:05.240 I've I've never seen a thing works so well. Everything. Yeah, 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.040 don't you wish like all well, I guess of all 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:09.240 game calling work like that all the time, there wouldn't 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:14.000 be any game right, especially we had a rifle. I mean, 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.160 if you imagine if like ELK calling was that effective. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:21.640 It's like, watch, we're just gonna sit here. I saw 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:23.319 an elk. We're just gonna sit here and make a 0:10:23.360 --> 0:10:26.360 noise and we're gonna come running. They come running for 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:29.040 the folks who have never done this before. Steve was 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.760 rattling and within fifteen seconds sometimes deer are coming in 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.800 full clip. And the one deer, the biggest deer that 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:41.400 we saw was at the end of the day on Tuesday. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:46.000 This guy comes running in in a full sprint and 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.480 he was a big sucker. He saw you and he's 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.680 like not today, and he came running out. So I 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.480 had him at sixteen yards and I had no shot. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:58.000 I couldn't get him a slow down. I was going map, map, map, 0:10:58.480 --> 0:11:01.839 It's like no, just like YouTube, just like every white 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.760 till they get a shot on YouTube got well, every 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.960 white teller get shot on YouTube that you know, it's 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:12.320 usually understand and they're walking and and then that he's 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.560 already like half paranoid ship, you know, and you just 0:11:14.559 --> 0:11:19.400 trying to slow him down. Uh for um. The first 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.560 time I came down in this place was Jesse introduced 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.439 Jesse's friends with the guy that owns the place, or shud, 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:27.280 it's not fair to say, you know, Jesse's friends with 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:30.680 a guy who's part of the family that owns the place. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.000 And we came down to we're doing some other Texas 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:39.079 ship and came and wanted hunt Nil Guy. And there's 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:41.440 an outfitter that works here. So he went out with 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:46.319 one of the outfitters. Um until guy had a great time, 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:47.800 and there was a lot of Nil Guy back then. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:51.040 But we were dicking around and then like like Janice 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:53.319 had picked up a set of sheds or something or 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.200 another and had on a couple of occasions just rattled 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:02.000 off next to the truck and got some interest. And 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:04.240 one time we were laughing because he was rattling. He 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.400 rattled in the buck that already knew we were there, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.319 like the box, like, oh, there's some dudes in the 0:12:09.360 --> 0:12:11.520 truck and yeah, he rattled and he just starts coming 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:13.800 a little ways, and then I got the idea, man, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:19.080 we gotta come back and try to rattle deer and eventually, uh, 0:12:19.400 --> 0:12:21.120 we're allowed to come back kind of you know, do 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.200 our own thing a little bit. And came back and 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.400 did it. But it wasn't like it is like I 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:30.600 feel like it was the the I feel like there's 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:34.120 no way it could be better, Like there's if there's 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:36.240 a day in the year or two days in the year, 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:38.040 they're gonna be like, how could it get better than 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:40.440 it was? Right, we made a pack to come back 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.600 last night, like this time, this time next year, this 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:46.440 is the time. It's like, you know, you got that 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:52.400 September what it's probably September sixt for like the elk Rut. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.240 There's like this time where everything just goes hey wire 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.360 and if you are lucky and you're in the woods 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.120 during that time, it gets nuts. And if I felt 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:07.719 like December four, like whatever that day was like it 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:12.520 was just lined up perfectly. We were we were setting 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:19.480 up and having uh to three of them come Yeah 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:21.600 once we did, had no idea where in the area. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.320 We're just storming in full balls running when I got 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:29.560 that one buck, the first buck, and then that was 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.840 the third buck that came in inside of five minutes. 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:36.920 Like we we we decided to try again because the 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.080 two bucks came in and one was real close and 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.640 another big one came just running right past us, and uh, 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:47.560 we were like, wow, I guess we blew these guys 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.199 out of here. And we're like, well, let's just give 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.480 it another couple of minutes, and then before you know what, 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.800 another guy shows up. We kept it kept not working 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:59.600 because it was working too good. Like you, you kind 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:03.760 of think that his ass could come and like stop 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.679 thirty forty yards out, but they don't stop till they're in. You. 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.400 You almost have to be at full draw when you're 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:14.079 done rattling. You almost have to like rattle for like 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:18.080 thirty seconds and then go ahead and then just hold 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.360 full draw, you know, like with like a modern boat 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.960 you can kind of hold full draw for a couple 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.080 of minutes. I think, if you're really gonna get serious 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:31.640 about it would be like a eight seventy with buckshot. Yes, yes, yeah. 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:33.360 Because there were so many times that they were coming 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.680 in behind us, to the side of us, and we 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.560 kept trying to game. It would be like, okay, well 0:14:39.600 --> 0:14:43.400 that one clearly wanted to be down wind, so you 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.280 go down wind, and then he'd go down wind and 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.400 I'd rattle and then people like in my face. And 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:51.080 then the next one is whatever. Well, the one that 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.560 we rattled in that was over near the lake, that 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.400 was pretty wild because he was on the whole other 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.400 side of that pond and he heard us and you 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.280 just see running from hundreds of yards away and he 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.320 did a full circle to get down wind of us, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:10.200 and it was pretty quick. And then he's like, I 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:16.160 don't like it. And it's like the place gets hunted 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.520 for sure, because there's an outfitter that has excluded like 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:23.480 an exclusive for outfited stuff, and then the family has 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.160 friends and people that hunted, but at no one hunts 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:28.600 it like that because it's kind of like a Safari 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.320 style hunting, no blinds, no feeders. Well, when we went out, Joe, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:38.920 so Joe was talking to one of the guides and weird. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:43.920 The question was basically, how many times have guys bow hunted? 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:47.000 And he says never and she was like no, I 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:52.320 mean like ever never, they never had. He had never had. 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:54.680 The guy that guides had never had an archery client, 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:57.120 so I think that like a wait, it's so it's 0:15:57.200 --> 0:15:59.640 it's not that it doesn't get hunted, because it gets hunted, 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.040 but it doesn't get hunted like that. So I don't 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:07.200 think they're hearing like here. I don't think they're hearing that. Yeah. 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.200 And also I think probably when the deer don't hear gunshots, 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.080 maybe they stay a little more calm because like, no 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:20.880 one's getting killed, because they probably associate boom with danger 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.000 and death. But there's never a boom while we're here, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:28.720 so maybe they're like a little bit more relaxed. Yeah. Uh, 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.640 the there's a guy, there's a cowboy out here that 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.000 runs cattle. I don't know if you call him a cowboy. 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.000 I guess you can call m a cowboy, the guy 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:39.920 that runs cattle. He said, Uh. He had a good 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:46.120 way of expressing it. He said, um, they're coming to horns. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:49.520 I thought it was a good way of putting it, 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:54.840 with ratling. They're coming to horns. It works. It's the 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:57.280 most fun way to hunt ever. I think it is 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.400 because it's so exciting, Like where are they coming from? 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.240 They're running in? Yeah, I've never you know, I have 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:09.320 never ever ever I've seen anything like that. I wonder 0:17:09.359 --> 0:17:12.720 if it's particular to this area. I think that that's 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:15.480 that's a yeah, I think it is. I got a 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.080 friend of South care I shouldn't even say this what 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.680 stady listen because he does it, and he does it 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:21.919 on public ground. South Carolina is a big place. I 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.240 got a friend of South Carolina there. That's how they 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:29.040 hunt man um. That's how they hunt deer. They climb 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.000 up in a tree standing, they rattle, and they really 0:17:31.040 --> 0:17:34.560 consistently killed box on public land, rattling hard to hunt 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.959 because in his view, up until this very moment, in 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:42.800 his view, people aren't doing it. M in this area. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.480 He goes, Okay, He's like in he's in public swamp land. 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:48.679 He's like, people aren't doing it. They probably just don't know. 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.520 So deer are edgy, they're jumping, but they're not hearing that. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.399 And when they hear that, it means one thing to him. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.639 But I've no because you know, I've rattled in a 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.760 couple of deer, Like in Montana, I rattled in a 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.760 couple of deer after a lot of attempts. I know 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.719 they're hearing it, and it could be that for whatever reason. 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.440 It could be that they don't want to get killed 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:16.240 and they're thinking that that they're always on their mind. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.000 Is like that which I wonder about that like associate 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:23.960 that sound with danger or they don't give a ship. 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:26.159 And that used to be the thing I used to 0:18:26.280 --> 0:18:28.359 think with elk calling, like anytime you couldn't call in 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.919 an elk, I was like, he thinks it's people, you know, 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:35.320 And Phelps He's like, I don't think he thinks. I 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.800 think he's not interested. He's not interested. It's not that 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.199 he's like there's a lot of time. Sure there might 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.560 be times when he thinks it's people, but as a 0:18:42.560 --> 0:18:45.040 lot of times he's not gonna come anyway. And this 0:18:45.080 --> 0:18:48.080 book there's this book, The Tent Legion by Colonel Tom 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:52.440 Kelly about turkeys, and he talks about that same thing. 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:55.480 He always thought when you when Tom won't come, it's 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.919 because he's afraid of getting killed and thinks it's a person. 0:18:58.640 --> 0:19:01.120 But then one day he described, I was watching it, Tom, 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.399 He's watching a bunch of hens. He's watching the Tom 0:19:04.560 --> 0:19:07.800 cruising along, and the Hens are doing all the ship 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.720 that he would do to try to call in the Tom. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.560 They're doing the calling they're doing everything. And he said 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.119 the tom never gave a ship, never lifted its head up, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:23.320 and it's like it's real hands a real time, and 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:25.760 some things just don't give a ship. So whatever it 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:31.800 is with the age demographics, I don't know pressure, what's 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:35.280 that pressure on deer here is minimal? Oh, because people 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.800 are hunting the exotics, you know, That's what I'm saying. 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.720 But like you remove, like whatever it does, they're not 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.960 thinking they're gonna get killed. But I'm saying, even in 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:45.960 the absence of the thought that you're gonna get killed, 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.399 there's probably times when they don't hear two bucks fighting 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.560 and think they need to come running over because of 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:54.879 whatever ship. He's like, like, I don't really know what 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:56.960 goes into I don't know why they're so like why 0:19:57.040 --> 0:20:00.800 these particular deer in this particular spot are fired up 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:04.560 about two bucks fighting. It's really interesting to see the 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:07.720 difference in the behavior of the animals when you look 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:10.440 at the animals that are hunted the most. There's all 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.879 these animals that are living together, but the animals that 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:16.400 are hunted the most are clearly the ones that behave 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:20.080 differently when they see people like the Neil guy for sure, 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.920 the most spooky, they're the most spooky. The least spooky 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.320 is probably the Havelina. They're the least spookie. They're they're 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:31.560 like basically not interested in you for the most part. 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:33.680 You're not going to pick them up. Yeah, you're not 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.159 gonna pick them up. But they're the least scared of you. 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:39.080 And Neil guy, I just don't wanna have nothing to 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:40.800 do with you. They see you, they're like, this is it, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:44.520 We're out of here. And then the water buck are 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:49.119 like they're probably not hunted as much and they're a 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:57.160 lot more relaxed. When I told when I told our 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.520 friend here that we wanted to come down that Joe 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.760 wanted to uh get uh try to get a Neil 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:06.760 guy with a bow. Um, he right away was like 0:21:06.920 --> 0:21:12.399 nervous about it's hard to do. And Yanni came down 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.520 and just spent time on his own doing it and 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.240 did it. But he had a bunch of days that 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:18.920 he put into it and killed one of the bow 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.200 and uh, we had a shorter period of time and 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:28.240 Brad had said listen, uh if need be, I'll have 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:32.080 one of the guides that that that does bring clients 0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.359 out to God. I'll have him come out and show 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.880 you guys what's up. And after we even spent one day, 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:40.480 know when we just had a couple of days to hunt, 0:21:40.560 --> 0:21:46.320 we spent one day. Uh, I was kind of like, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.160 I don't know, man, like other than just sort of 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:52.159 want other than just sort of wandering around waiting for 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:55.200 some kind of like weird opportunity present itself. I was 0:21:55.240 --> 0:21:56.919 a little bit I was kind of at a loss. 0:21:58.359 --> 0:21:59.800 I could be like, yeah, I can see, man, if 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.160 you at a week and you're just out for a week, 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:06.240 something's gonna happen. But I couldn't think of how to deliberately, 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:10.960 how to sort of deliberately make it happen, being like 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:13.800 with the deer, like I'll deliberately make it happen by rattling. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:15.720 But the nail guy is like, I don't know, I 0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.600 don't know enough about him to know how you deliberately 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:20.960 be like we're gonna go out and try to get 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.400 a shot, other than we're just gonna kind of stumble 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:26.879 around and see if a crazy opportunity presents itself. So 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.919 we had the guy come, um, what did you what 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.639 would your take on his his attitude about it, his 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.520 approach about it. Well, first of all, he said he 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:38.720 was wearing a black shirt, and he was wearing a 0:22:38.720 --> 0:22:41.480 black shirt on purpose. He was like, the reason why 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:43.600 I dressed like this is because when they see me 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.440 with the black cowboy hat and a black shirt, like, 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:48.960 they might think that I'm a Neil guy. And if 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.399 I wolf at him like, they might come towards me. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:53.399 And it was so interesting because you at one point 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:55.440 said to me, what noises do they make? And I said, 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:57.520 I don't know about any. I'm not saying there aren't any. 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:02.400 I don't know about any noises. Yeah, I didn't know that. Whoa, Well, 0:23:03.080 --> 0:23:07.119 that's what he was doing. And one of the stopped 0:23:07.400 --> 0:23:10.520 and there was one bull and maybe about eight or 0:23:10.600 --> 0:23:15.840 nine cows and he We crawled about a hundred and 0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:20.560 thirty hundred and forty yards to get to this area 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.639 that was like before the clearing. So we got into 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:26.960 this one area that was like sparsely treed, and then 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.960 we crawled through that area where we're kind of out 0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.600 in the open but not really and to get to 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:36.200 this field that's completely open. It was dry, like a 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:39.320 dried up late that grew up, and the closest we 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:42.680 could get was about a hundred and ten yards, and 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:45.800 so we were hoping that they would come around, and 0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.480 the closest one of the cows came around was probably 0:23:48.520 --> 0:23:51.320 like ninety yards somewhere around then. And so then we 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:54.000 were trying to debate how to handle this, and so 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:56.560 he said, you know what, this is not gonna work 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.600 because the cow, the cows, and the bull seemed to 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:01.960 be moved being in a general direction of away from us. 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:03.920 They weren't awhere. We were there. It took a long 0:24:03.960 --> 0:24:06.239 time to crawl there. So he says, let's just get up. 0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:09.480 We'll go back and then they'll know that we're there. 0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:12.560