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Speaker 1: we are excited to announce that we have identified our

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Speaker 1: This year, we are partnering with the Trust for Public

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Speaker 1: Lands to support the Montana Great Outdoors Project. Remember last

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Speaker 1: time we did something all the way across the country

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Speaker 1: over in Maine. This time we're doing it in Montana,

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Speaker 1: the Montana Great Outdoors Project. This project consists of a

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Speaker 1: sea areas of permanent easements across one fourteen thousand acres

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Speaker 1: of Timber Company land. These easements will prevent development and

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Speaker 1: ensure continued access to hunting and fishing and perpetuity. Getting

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Speaker 1: these easements in place not only provides direct access to

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Speaker 1: one fourteen thousand acres of private property, but increased access

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Speaker 1: there you have it. That's what the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: twenty two Meat Eater Land Access Initiative funds are going

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Speaker 1: to try to start off. How how was it getting

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Speaker 1: your first um, your first wild hawk. Oh, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 1: H it was fast. It was fast. It was unexpected

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Speaker 1: the first thing that we saw were a couple of pigs.

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Speaker 1: just hard to see my little zodiac Chinese zodiac spirit animal.

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Speaker 1: It's like seeing all these exotic animals and this enormous ranch.

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Speaker 1: It's it's really cool. It's really cool. And uh, the

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Speaker 1: coolest by far was the rattling in of the white tails.

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Speaker 1: That's the coolest thing ever. That is the coolest thing ever.

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Speaker 1: The way it works so well, it's it's bonkers, like

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Speaker 1: It's like no, just like YouTube, just like every white

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Speaker 1: And we came down to we're doing some other Texas

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Speaker 1: bulls and um they were there, were with these turkeys,

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00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: and they were around the edge of this corner, but

426
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: only about like a hundred yards around the edge, and

427
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: I was like, that's so close. We could just get

428
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 1: to that corner. I think we could sneak up close

429
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: enough to get a shot. And so we did that

430
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: and we got about ninety yards away, and then we

431
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 1: went into the woods and then we got I got

432
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: to about maybe like seventy or eighty and then I

433
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: cree real slowly the rest of the way, But it

434
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: was just very fortunate because the bull had his butt

435
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: to me completely had no idea I was there. The

436
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: turkeys knew, and they started they started like what what's happening?

437
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 1: What's going on? They were like moving around a little bit,

438
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, these bitches better not give me

439
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: up because I was slowly creeping up to him. And

440
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: then look at It was really exciting to hear. For you,

441
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: those moments, the spotting stock moments are so exciting because

442
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: like when the animal turns and goes broadside and you're like, whoa,

443
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: now is the time It's like this is like who who.

444
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: It's like your heart starts beating and your adrenaline starts

445
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: kicking and you're like, okay, keep it together, keep it together.

446
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: I should point out real quick, uh that when I

447
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 1: brought up the bow hunt Vanila guy, there's like a

448
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: second complication is uh, we'll get into this, but there's

449
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: the first complication that our friend was that it's hard

450
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: to get close to him. You know, it's just hard.

451
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: The second thing is is there uh. I don't want

452
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 1: to say it's regarded as a no note to try

453
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: to get one of the bowl. But like anyone that's

454
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: a familiar with Nil guy, when you talk about with

455
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: the bowl, they're kind of like, yeah, I don't know,

456
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 1: because you know, they can really take a hit and

457
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: they want to run. They don't want to bleed. And

458
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: what what's the hell is the word they used for

459
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: the brush patches? Here? Man? It's not like mot what's

460
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: the word mott? No, it's not what Brad? Yeah, what

461
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: the hell is that? Uh? Like a brush patch kind

462
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: of maybe a little elevation and he calls it the month?

463
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: They like any like the brushy areas? Yeah, yeah, you

464
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: got your senderos, senderos and months, Yeah, the roads and

465
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: if it's not a Sindero, it might be what's the

466
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: giant opening at an opening? Oh, the the plan Grande?

467
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: What the hell's that? That means the great plane? Okay?

468
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: And then everything else is the the brush, the month,

469
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: the Yeah. The fear is that you're gonna hit the

470
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: nil guy in his his ask is gonna run into

471
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: this brush, which is this serious brush. And that's exactly

472
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: what happened. When I was explaining to you how thick

473
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 1: that brush is. My kid chased the turkey into that brush,

474
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: and the turkey got snagged up at the brush and

475
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: couldn't fly away. They got a turkey got tangled up

476
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: in the brush. That's crazy, some thick ass brush. So

477
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: you're you're trying to hit one, and there's a lot

478
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: of like, it's not like, it's not that you're gonna

479
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: wing it and assume you'll find it. No, No, there was.

480
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: It was fraught with peril. When it wound up working

481
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: out well, I said to you at the end of

482
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 1: the night, when I was very relieved that we got

483
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 1: the nil guy, I was like, I think I might

484
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: be one and done with bo hunt and nil guy.

485
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: I'm stressful. I think you want to hit these suckers

486
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: with a rifle. Because Jason was to tell me then

487
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: when he hits one, Jason, great guy. I love him.

488
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: So Jason was saying that when he has a client,

489
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: he'll have one in the chamber so and then the

490
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: client hits it, and he'll hit him after the client

491
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,920
Speaker 1: hits it. Gun hunt, gun hunt, that's super common. I've

492
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I've watched it. I've actually watched it in this pasture.

493
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: He didn't tell me that until we were trying to

494
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: find blood and there was no, by the ways, and

495
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: when I hit the I've you know, I've seen animals

496
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: run when you hit him before. I have never seen

497
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: an animal run like this said, it was like a cheetah.

498
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Like a cheetah, That's what it's like. It was full clip.

499
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: I mean they live in Asia, right, So what what

500
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: part of Asia? And what kills them? Lions? No? No, no, no,

501
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: what am I saying? Tigers from the Indian subcontinent in there?

502
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: In there? Uh? Their historic predator is the the tiger.

503
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: That makes sense. So they're like you've hunted, Access, dear.

504
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: They are preposterously fast. I've never seen a thing move

505
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: as fast as nothing like they're used to deal then

506
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: cat exactly. I had an arrow. I have a video

507
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: of me bow hunting on the nie and I shot this.

508
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: This one Access tore this. He was pretty big. Deer

509
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: was feeding at eighty yards away and there was no wind,

510
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: and it was like perfect conditions, and I really didn't

511
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: think I'd get closer to him, and I was feeling

512
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: good about the shot. It was very relaxed. So I

513
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: launched this arrow. This arrow is track and perfectly towards

514
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the vitals, and John Dudley gets it on videos. So

515
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: he's filming this whole thing while it's happening, and we're like,

516
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the greatest shot of all time

517
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: because it's like a perfect shot. And then ten yards

518
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: from this access dear, the arrow is ten yards away.

519
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: He's like not today and ducks and he's completely out

520
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: of the frame by the time the arrow gets to him.

521
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: And I'm not exaggerating, you match, so you're talking about

522
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: he's singing to himself in a couple of seconds, I'm

523
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: gonna move because of this arrows like, oh jeesus, assholes

524
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: shooting at me again. So I mean it's two hundred

525
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, two d seventy feet a second.

526
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: This arrow is coming at him and from ten yards away,

527
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: he's like see uh in that quick a time. And

528
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: that's all because they evolve around tigers. Do you hear that?

529
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever hear that deal about I want to

530
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: get back to everything with the nil guy, But you

531
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: ever hear that explanation? And I've talked about it before

532
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: of like how how things experienced time being that when

533
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: you go to smack a fly in your mind, you're

534
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: like you're cocked back, you know, you're like a tiger. Right,

535
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: You're like what, But in the fly, in his mind,

536
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 1: he might be like, oh, what is this thing coming

537
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: towards me? Right right right, I'm probably gonna need to

538
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: move out of the way. Oh yeah, it's coming. Well,

539
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: he's only a weak flies only alive for a week,

540
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: so it might be that he might experience that week

541
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: like you do your eighty years. Yeah. Yeah, like there's that,

542
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: There was that, There was that one day where that

543
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: hand was coming down. Oh boy, let me get out

544
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: of the way. He experienced He relished it like a

545
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: roller coaster. Yeah, enjoyed it. He's like I sometimes like

546
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: to wait till it's really close. You know what always

547
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: freaks me out about flies is how quickly they find

548
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: a dead animal. It is so fast, like when when

549
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: when an animals down, especially when there's a gut pile.

550
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: It is instantaneous, like hundreds of flies out of nowhere,

551
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: Like where were you? Guys? Don't even It wasn't like

552
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: you were following me around. I didn't notice. It was

553
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: like a fly infested area. It didn't seem like very flying.

554
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, there's flies everywhere, so

555
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: you creep. So I'm creeping up on this Neil guy.

556
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the best situation because I've had a problem.

557
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: I have this, uh, this bow site that I really

558
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: like for a lot of good reasons. It's a garment, uh,

559
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: and it's a it's a range finding bow site. And

560
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: what's interesting about it is instead of having a range

561
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: finder and a site, it's all built into one. And uh,

562
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: you you at full draw. There's a button on my riser.

563
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: I hit the button and a dot goes onto the

564
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: animal and then it shows me a pin. Well, yeah,

565
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: the dot it doesn't project to me. It doesn't projective.

566
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: There's a lens, so you're looking through lens just like

567
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: you're looking through like a traditional range finder, but it's

568
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: it's like the size of a bow site lens. It's

569
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: much larger, you know, like a like a the best

570
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: way to describe it, like a small sunglass lens, Like

571
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: if you had a sunglass and you're looking through that

572
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: and when you press a button, it gives you a dot,

573
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: just like a range finder gives you a dot where

574
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: you know you're you're pointing it at the area you

575
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: want to hit, and then it gives you a number.

576
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: It's got a little screen above it. It'll say like

577
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: fifty three in this case, it was fifty three yards,

578
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: and then it shows you a pin. Well, in this

579
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: it's it's been fucking up lately, and I I hit

580
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: the button and it ranges. It's just fifty three yards

581
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: but no pin, and I'm at full draw ranges. So

582
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, the moment when an animal turns broadside, you're

583
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: trying to stay calm because you know this whole process

584
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: of creeping up on him takes like twenty minutes or so.

585
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: So during that time, your your whole you're like trying

586
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: to keep your heart right down and breathing and just

587
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: like slow and steady. And when I get the shot,

588
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay like this nice and calm. And so

589
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: then is it trying to give you It's not trying

590
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to make a judgment. It's not giving me sh It

591
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: is that like two times in a row. This has

592
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 1: happened before, and it's not normal, but it's happened before

593
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: on targets where I pressed the button and nothing happens,

594
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 1: and I pressed the button and so I had to

595
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: press it three times and finally gives me a pin.

596
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, here we go. So I'm at

597
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: full draw for a few seconds, and this is a

598
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: very heavy boat. It's a ninety pound bow. So it's

599
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: okay because there's a lot of let off, but you know,

600
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking now, like, jeez, how long can I

601
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: hold this here? Like? How long is this gonna let

602
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna have to let down? All these thoughts

603
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: in my mind, and then finally I get the pin.

604
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, here we go. Can you hold it

605
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: there for a second? Yes? Why um, you shoot a

606
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: ninety pound bow? Why? I think I've always wondered, is

607
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: skinny ask guys like me, guys that could beat my

608
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: ass in the fight? Why do so many people in

609
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: your view hover at around like seventy pound drawways? Well,

610
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: seventy pounds drawways comfortable to pull and if you don't

611
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: lift weights, and if you're not a physically strong person,

612
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: that's achievable. It's like you you can get there. I'm skinny,

613
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: ask guy that lifts weights. But I feel, like I said,

614
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: like people that could beat my ass, they're also shooting

615
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: a seventy poundbo which is it wasn't common like it

616
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 1: was like through my whole life it wasn't common to

617
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: hear someone pulling a ninety poundbo It's not common now

618
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: is more common. I was just watch a video about

619
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 1: this is that they were doing reviews on eighty pound

620
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: bows and uh, the reason why I switched to a

621
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: nineties just because Cam did. Cam Haynes switched to a

622
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: ninety and he had White made him a ninety, and

623
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll try it. Let me try that ninety

624
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: and it. I had a PSC that was last year

625
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: and it was just too much. It was John Dudley

626
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 1: tried to make the most ridiculous bow for me, you know,

627
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: because he works with PSC. So he made a PSC

628
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: pound bow with a very short brace hite and if

629
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: you were accurate, it was ridiculous. But it was not

630
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: forgiving at all because the brace site was very short.

631
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 1: And for for people who don't know, the brace side

632
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: is the distance between the riser and the string, And

633
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: if you have a good brace hide, like like seven inches,

634
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: that's like more forgiving than five inches. And this was

635
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: more like five inches. And but it would shoot a

636
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty grain arrow three feet a second,

637
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: which is really crazy, really fast, and the impact like

638
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: the kinetic energy is incredible, like and you saw yesterday

639
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: with that nil guy, I mean total passed through. From

640
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 1: looking at the animal, Uh, it was it was a

641
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: quartering away. I hit it through the ribs, went through

642
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: its entire body and out the front shoulder, full clean

643
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: pass through and then the arrow was like thirty yards

644
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: away when we found it. So we found the arrow cold.

645
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: When when I found the arl, I was pretty confident

646
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: and I was like that arrow is just soaked with

647
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: blood that and I was pretty confident in the hit,

648
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: but I was not confident when I saw that sucker run.

649
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: When I hit him, I was like whack. I'm like

650
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: that looks good. And watching them run, I was like,

651
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 1: oh no, like it's going so fast. It was going

652
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: so fast. It was crazy full clip like I mean

653
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know how many miles an hour, but he

654
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: looked like it was going a hundred. It was just ridiculous.

655
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: And it was like then when they are running, yeah,

656
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: it's so I don't want to say it's extra terrestrially. Yeah,

657
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: it's like you kept saying, it's like some ship from Avatar.

658
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: He didn't like a big there, like I don't know

659
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: what the hell. I like a like a a short

660
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: necked draft, a more athletic draft. Yeah, it didn't seem

661
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: like you should be able to run that fast if

662
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: he got hit good, because if you hit an elk good,

663
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: like they get what like the arrow it hits some

664
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: they'll buck up and then they'll run off. But you

665
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 1: could tell their hurt. I could not tell at all

666
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: that he was hurt, like it made him healthier. It

667
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: was like it's super charged him, like their will to

668
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: live is insane, and it must be because they evolve

669
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: around tigers. It has to be. So this sucker full

670
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: clip runs off and all I could do is just

671
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: sort of watch where he was going. And I was

672
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: hoping that was gonna see signs of stumble and then

673
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: fall down because it was you know, he ran. Uh

674
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: would you say it's about a hundred and thirty yards

675
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: to where like I did a line distance on on accident?

676
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: Was line distance a hundred and thirty? You know, he

677
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 1: didn't take a securitist route to get there. It's kind

678
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: of what you know, a slight arc. Yeah. So and

679
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: when I saw the arc, we saw the arc, and

680
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: then we started gritting, We started trying to figure out

681
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: where he was me and Kran had that sh all wrong.

682
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: We're far off, yeah, but I was like, man, it'll

683
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: be three in the morning, but we're gonna cover this

684
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: entire By the time we're done, we'll haven't covered everything.

685
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: I turned a track function on and I was telling Crane, okay,

686
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: now move over twenty yards or whatever the hell was

687
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: when to come back. And it would have been about

688
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: three in the morning. We got over to where he

689
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: gets where well Jason had We had looked and he

690
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: had an application on his phone that showed a grid

691
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,160
Speaker 1: of like it's the track track function. I can't remember

692
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: what app he was using. So there was just one

693
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: small area where he realized we didn't look earlier, and

694
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: he went and looked there and he was just lying

695
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: right there. But you know about that dude, Like he's

696
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: good because I don't know if you noticed too when

697
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: when I got the deer, I got a deer, and

698
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: I was kind of a little nervous. I was like,

699
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: there's no blood, but I mean I saw the it

700
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: was coming on. I saw the broadhead and the arrow

701
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: coming off of his back hip like it ran the

702
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: entire length of but there's no blood. And I'm like

703
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 1: questioning what I saw, and I said to this guy,

704
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: this is the guide the guides out here. I said

705
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: to him, I'm like, man, he kind of went like

706
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: and I showed like where he went, and it was

707
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: like he wasn't listening to me. He swings way left

708
00:40:55,239 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 1: and goes here it is, yeah, Like I was like, what, Like,

709
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: what possibly were you going on? You aren't even here.

710
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 1: He was asking you, though, Did hear what he was

711
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: asking you? He was asking you what side you hit

712
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: it on. He's like, if you hit it on the

713
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: right side, it's gonna go towards the left. That's the

714
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: one thing he said. He was right. I show him

715
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: where it went in. I was like kind of like front,

716
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,280
Speaker 1: like kind of strong quartering towards me in the front shoulders.

717
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: So he just strikes off that way and almost like

718
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: like magnetically drawn to it, like right there. Yeah, I

719
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: mean he's It's guides are interesting because you spend that

720
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: much time just constantly around these animals. I think you

721
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: get a sense of them that I just don't have.

722
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: He's he does like he has a regular job. Yeah,

723
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 1: he finished concrete. He has a concrete business. I think

724
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: he goes, oh, it's just my part time dealing Like, well,

725
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: how much eighty guys a year. I'm like, okay, well

726
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a lot of that's a lot of.

727
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: He loves it though. He loved the sneaking in on him,

728
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: like he got all excited about it. It was was fun.

729
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 1: It was interesting that he when he got here and

730
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: I was here, I was really curious to hang out

731
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: with him. I'm like, you know, I'm like, I don't

732
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: know the first thing about Neil guy. I've done it

733
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: a couple of times with a rifle, which is totally

734
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: different experience because he's basically go out, look for one

735
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: and shoot it and that's how that goes. Uh So

736
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: I was really curious to see, like how could one

737
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 1: consistently get up close on him. But it's funny is

738
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: he didn't jump out of his truck to be like,

739
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: here's why I have a black shirt and a black

740
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: cowboy hat on right, I just good man and black.

741
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: Johnny cash fan doesn't come out and I was like, like,

742
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: you might be wondering why. Now here's a cool guy,

743
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: fun guy to talk to. All the minute I met him,

744
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 1: I talking to a couple of sackers. I went until John.

745
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy is cool, it'll be fun. You

746
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: always you always nervous. It was real fun. And you

747
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: know when we're going around the corner, when I was

748
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: creeping up on the nil guy, uh he laid back

749
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: to He's like yeah, I was like slow it down.

750
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: It was like, this is just better if it's just

751
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,360
Speaker 1: one of us, because like you know, the turkeys and

752
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: all this ship. I'm like so so he just hung back.

753
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: Was he giving you a bunch of input on do

754
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: this and don't do that when it comes time to

755
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: shoot it. No, No, he told me where their organs are,

756
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: but I had already knew that. I had done a

757
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: bunch of research online. There they are. All their stuff

758
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: is closer to the front than um than um like

759
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 1: an elk or a deer, which is interesting. They're they're

760
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: built differently. Yeah. Yeah, so he told me that, but

761
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: I had already I was already aware of that. But uh,

762
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: I think I really do think on one and done

763
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: with bo hunting them. Watching the way he ran off,

764
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: like you just that I hit him perfect. It was

765
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: a great show, not a back of blood nothing. And

766
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: and even when we got up to it, you probably

767
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 1: noticed this we got up to it. The in hole.

768
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: There's an in hole and there's an out hole. There's

769
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: no blood stain on its body. Yeah, it wasn't until

770
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: we were we rolled it up. It wasn't until we

771
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: rolled it up that and then by that point it

772
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: had been dead for forty minutes. Wasn't ntil we rolled

773
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 1: it up that some blood trickled out and there was

774
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: clean It looked like someone had washed it. It's crazy.

775
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: It was just a little bit of dribble. It was

776
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 1: coming out of the hole, but a little bubble, but

777
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: none of it was on the ground. Zero on the ground.

778
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: And you gotta also think about that arrow that we found.

779
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: So we find this arrow. It blows through his body,

780
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: so he's quartering away. It hits his ribs, goes through

781
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: the entire this large body, cavity goes through the entire body,

782
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: cavity out the front shoulder, goes thirty yards past his body.

783
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: Nothing sprays out, nothing, zero, no, and the the arrow

784
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: is soaked with blood. Not thing comes out of his body.

785
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: I was like, what a strange animal like, this is

786
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: so strange. But the sheer panic that I had when

787
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: I've seen him run that way, I was like, oh no,

788
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: and I was It was almost like it's playing tricks

789
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: in me, like maybe I didn't hit him good, like

790
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: maybe I hit him bad, maybe I hit his foot

791
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: or maybe, you know, maybe maybe I'm delusional like I

792
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: thought it was. I had the pen right where I

793
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: wanted to. My arm was steady, the release was good.

794
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: I hear swack when he hits his body, and like

795
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: I got oh no. That was like literally the thought

796
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: process like I got him. I didn't even finish got

797
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: him because I got oh my god, look at that

798
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: sucker go PM just full clip and then he just

799
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: ran until he was gone. It was both of his

800
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: lung so he uh, he just expired from a lack

801
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: of air within a hundred thirty yards. So he probably

802
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: covered that hundred thirty yards in ten seconds too. Yeah,

803
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: that's that's the funny thing about when you're when you

804
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: do get into a bad situation, you're trailing something, you

805
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 1: lose sight of, um, what it took to cover the

806
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: distance versus what it took you to cover the distance.

807
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: So if you have a really bad blood trail and

808
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: you find it a little speck and a little speck

809
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: in a while later, you know you're into it. Forty

810
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: five minutes, you haven't started circling X. You don't want

811
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: to mess up, you don't want to stamp out any

812
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: blood because you want to keep the trail intact. And

813
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, forty five minutes later, you realize you're a

814
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, and you're like, I don't it seems

815
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: like you're on this journey. What do you think about

816
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 1: your mind? That was seconds seconds, seconds, so it didn't

817
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: bleed for seconds. Yeah, but you're making all these you know,

818
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: all this wild ideas about what's going to happen on

819
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: down the blood trail or whatever. You know. I remember,

820
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: like being a real little kid man in a like

821
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: my dad would go hunt, or my brothers, or when

822
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: I got older, I would go to when I once

823
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: I turned twelve and goold bow hunt, just going on many, many, many,

824
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: many blood trails, and it'd be like someone had hit

825
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: a deer. Everybody come home, you'd eat dinner, You get

826
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: the Coleman lanterns out and ship and spend an hour

827
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: trying to get those things going, get all the lanterns

828
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: and walk out on the blood trail, and it'd either

829
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 1: be that everybody look and they couldn't find any blood,

830
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: and you get the sinking feeling like two, we're gonna

831
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: be here ntil two in the morning on the fall

832
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,439
Speaker 1: asleep out in the woods. This is miserable, or it'd

833
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: be like someone went through the woods of the spray

834
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: can of red paint and it'll just be euphoria. And

835
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,600
Speaker 1: I still carry with me so much to that, like

836
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: when it's when you can't find blood, you're like, it

837
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: ran right through here and you can't find blood. I

838
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: still can never shake that just sinking feeling. Yeah, that

839
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: was how I felt. But on the flip side, when

840
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: we got back to the house after we found him,

841
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: we got back to the house, it was the greatest

842
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: feeling in the world. It was like, I'm so relaxed

843
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,839
Speaker 1: because I don't have that dread of like not being

844
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 1: able to find this animal. And the worst case scenario

845
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: would be you find him, like you ran four or

846
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: five yards, but now the meat is no good. Now

847
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: he's just dead for no reason. It's hot ash and

848
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,399
Speaker 1: it's it's like you don't have you can't even joke,

849
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 1: like even in cold weather, you're kind of like with

850
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: the elk, will go find him in the morning. You're

851
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: kind of bullshitting yourself because a lot of it will

852
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: be good, but you're you're gonna lose a lot. You're

853
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: gonna you know, like even if it's fifty degrees you

854
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: can go find in the morning, like it's something it's

855
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: there's gonna be parts that are gonna be not there's

856
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: parts that are probably gonna spoil um. But here you

857
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't even be able to kid yourself. Yeah, you wouldn't

858
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: kid yourself. Turkey buzzards and coyotes and just whatever. If

859
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 1: we found him in the morning, it would be a mess,

860
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: would be a bloated pile. Yeah, it would be horrible.

861
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean it was like it's probably eighty degrees yesterday, right,

862
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,959
Speaker 1: But hey, can you tell the story about the guy?

863
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: Are you allowed to tell that story about the guys

864
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: that killed the havelna's for for ships and giggles? Oh

865
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So there in Texas you can kill to

866
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: ha alina's a year and there's no tags or anything,

867
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 1: and there they are a game animal. And so because

868
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: they're a game animal, there's waste of meat their native wildlife. Yeah,

869
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: you have to retain the meat. And this is anecdotal,

870
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 1: but I heard this story. I might I think I

871
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: read it, maybe even like maybe it was on the

872
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 1: game warden blotter or something like maybe I dreamed it. Yeah,

873
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: at this point I'm completely mistrusting it now that i'm

874
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: that's a great story. I like it, and if it's

875
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: not true, I think it should. I think a game

876
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: warden should keep this one in his back pocket. It's

877
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: a fable at least, it's you know, it's cautionary tale

878
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 1: about going out and shooting a bunch of havelinas and

879
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 1: dragging them to the gut pile, which is game warden

880
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: checked on some hunters and ask if they shot anything,

881
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we' just got some havolina's. I'm

882
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: putting words in their mouths right now. Uh. And he's like, well,

883
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: where's the meat and they're like, oh, we didn't, we

884
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: didn't take any. We just drug him out to the

885
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: gut pile. And it was, you know, two or three

886
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: days it transpired. And he's like, no, they're that's game animal.

887
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: You have to harvest the meat from him. And he

888
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: made them go after the fact, out to the gut

889
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: polling quarter. These uh, rotten swollen I'd like it only

890
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: the thing that would make the story better is if

891
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: you grabbed him by the ear, took him by the

892
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: ear and dragged him out. I really want to know

893
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: what it tastes like. Yeah, you can make a taste

894
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: like meat by depending you know, trees or whatever. Yeah.

895
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm gonna do. Get theresa made

896
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: with it. So if you don't, if you say you

897
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: want to, if you you don't, you wouldn't hunt nil

898
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,399
Speaker 1: guy again. Okay, that's all is gonna ask you. How

899
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:07,920
Speaker 1: how um how not interested in gun hunting already? I

900
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: did like the archery stuff so much. I don't not

901
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: like gun hunting. I do like gun hunting. Yeah, I

902
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: like both. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean one of the

903
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 1: things that people don't want to admit people that are

904
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: archery hunting enthusiasts is that it's not the best way

905
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: to hunt. It's like, the most ethical way to hunt

906
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: really is with a rifle. Like if you're counting black,

907
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: if you're counting like greatest likelihood of the quickest death, yes,

908
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: like I had uh Like I hunted to Hone Ranch

909
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: last year and I had a really lucky first day.

910
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: I was with Evan Hafer, and Evan shot a nailk

911
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: on the first day, and I shot at nilk on

912
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: the first day, and uh, I was supposed to be

913
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: there for six days, so uh they had pig tags

914
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 1: that were available, so it's like, all right, let's go

915
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: do some pig hunting. And they're like, you want to

916
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: do rifle or bow? And I said, you know what,

917
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: let's go. Let's go rifle. Let's go for fun. And

918
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: I shot a pig at eight yards and he died

919
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 1: where he stood. Boom, it went through him. He just

920
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: fell over dead, smoke coming out of his mouth, and

921
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, I go, this is so

922
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,839
Speaker 1: much more effective. Like if I shot that that pig

923
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: with a with a bow, he would have taken off

924
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 1: and it would have probably been you know, we have

925
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: to go find him, and you're going under because in

926
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: uh a lot of these ranches, you know where the

927
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: pigs will live as you have like heavy bush and

928
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: they get into the bushes, and so he probably would

929
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: have went in there and I probably would have had

930
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: to crawl in and drag him out, and then I

931
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: probably would have hoped that he was dead while I

932
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: was doing this. And tunnels, yeah, like equation, but you know,

933
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: like in Vietnam when he had to take a pistol

934
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: and flashlight and going to those tunnels us not in

935
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 1: any way saying the same thing, but I seen hog tunnels,

936
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: which you're like, oh god, yeah, and usually not want

937
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 1: to get one on one with a hog with a knife.

938
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Oh it was a good bore too. I mean he

939
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: had good tusks and he was a big sucker. Um.

940
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not opposed to rifle hunting as a matter of fact,

941
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: Like if if it got to a situation where I

942
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,239
Speaker 1: was so busy that I didn't never that's not true

943
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,800
Speaker 1: that it's never gonna happen. It was would never be

944
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: a situation where I never have enough time to go

945
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: on like real long hunts. I'll make sure at this

946
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: point in my life because just because I enjoy it

947
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: too much, and it's it's such a break for me.

948
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 1: It's such a like a cleansing of all the other

949
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: stuff on my mind, you know, when like say, when

950
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: you and I were there, you're rattling and I got

951
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: an arrow knocked, and my head's on a swivel. I'm

952
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: not thinking about jack shit, no anything other than what's

953
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,879
Speaker 1: going on. Um. But I think rifle hunting is more.

954
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: It's more effect div, it's probably more humane, you know. Uh,

955
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: it's it's just there's a reason why they invented guns.

956
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: They're better than bows. But in terms of satisfaction, the

957
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 1: animals that I've killed with my bow are the most.

958
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: They're hard. It's harder to do. It's just much harder

959
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: to do. Like that fifty three yard shot that I

960
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: hit that nil guard with, that's easy with a rifle.

961
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: I could do that off hand with a rifle, no problem, confident.

962
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: But with a bow, it's like, you know, there's so

963
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: much going on. I'm gotta to be steady, breathe out,

964
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: don't rush the shot, pull through it, the shot breaks.

965
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: Everything was perfect. But everything was perfect because of hundreds

966
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: and hundreds and hundreds of hours of practice. If you

967
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: gave me a rifle, I haven't shot a rifle in

968
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: a year. If you gave me a rifle right now,

969
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred percent confident I could shoot a nil

970
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,439
Speaker 1: guy at fifty three yards off hand. Yeah, I hope. So. Yeah,

971
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's a better weapon. But I think

972
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: that people confuse when people talk about ethics, are oftentimes

973
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: confusing two things there's there people be like, well, I

974
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: like to hunt with the books. It's more ethical. It'd

975
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: be like, it's more challenging, challenging, it's more challenging. So

976
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: that's great, But that's not you assessing um, that's not

977
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: you assessing in in in weighing. However, one chooses the

978
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: way animal like the welfare and well being likelihood of injuring. Yeah,

979
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: I meaning if you really want to get down to like,

980
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: like to take a commercial slaughter plant, how do they

981
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: when they're like, hey, we want quick death, we're gonna

982
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: be ethical, what are they gonna do. They're not gonna

983
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: shoot with the bowl. They're gonna take a pneumatic bolt

984
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:49,799
Speaker 1: and punch of I don't want is a three quarter

985
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: diameter stainless steel rod all the way through its brain. Yeah,

986
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 1: And they'd be like, that's humane. Yeah, I thought archery

987
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: hunt was humane, Like archie hunt's hard. Yeah, it's sorry.

988
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: There's a there's a restaurant in Austin and they serve

989
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: a lot of wild game meat in a lot of

990
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: antelope and stuff like that, and this guy was telling

991
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: me that one of the things that they do is

992
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: they they hire snipers and that these snipers shoot these

993
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,439
Speaker 1: animals in the brain. They shoot him in the head,

994
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: and uh, they're like, and Jesse, you could tell me

995
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: about this. How much does it affect the flavor if

996
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 1: an animal is stressed out, Like if an animal gets

997
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: hit and runs and has that adrenaline rush. How much

998
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 1: of an impact does that have on the taste of

999
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: the meat. It can be huge. Um, I mean I

1000
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: think for that reason. You know, there's I mean, a

1001
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: rifle shot has a more likelihood of bringing it down

1002
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: immediately in the case of a big bore or any

1003
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: animal like that. You're the larger the animal, the more

1004
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: likely it is it's gonna run. Um, you know, even

1005
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: debilitating shot from a rifle. But I think stresses, along

1006
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: with just any kind of bacterial contamination, stress is going

1007
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: to be one of the contributing, main contributing factors to

1008
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: having it tastes stronger. Um. You could like different textures

1009
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: in the meat, you know, the lactic acid build up,

1010
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And anecdotally, Um, you know, I've I've

1011
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 1: seen hogs shot versus caught in a snare, identical hogs.

1012
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: I might have even told this story on your podcast. Uh,

1013
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: and how well the one that was caught in the

1014
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: snare was inedible, and they were There was two styles,

1015
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: probably about eighty pounds each. They could have come out

1016
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: of the same litter. One dropped with a spine shot

1017
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 1: and one was so exhausted when we came up to

1018
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: her she was in a snare that she couldn't even

1019
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: stand up when we walked up there. Uh and and

1020
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: that one was one of the worst tasting pigs I've

1021
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 1: ever I've ever seen. And so I mean, I can

1022
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a lot of data right there.

1023
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: It's totally anecdotal. Plus like I got a couple of

1024
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: things that like to add and I don't want to

1025
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: in any way discredit your explanation. And you didn't say

1026
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: anything that's inaccurate. But we have twice. Who's that dude

1027
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: we had on from Purdue Chris Calkins. Was he Calkins

1028
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: or Caulkins? I can never call because we got one

1029
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: that works for us, same damn name, But they're like

1030
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: insistent that they on that. I think it's whatever the

1031
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: hell Calkins Caulkins the same spelling as the other guy

1032
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: we hang out with the likes it the other way.

1033
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: So Calkins or Caulkins. Is it Chris it is? He's

1034
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 1: a meat scientists. He's just a meat scientists from Purdue University.

1035
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: He's come on the podcast twice to explain. He did

1036
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: a great job. Like all that ship like, okay, what

1037
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: is when something stressed? What is it that we're talking about?

1038
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: All the ship with rigor mortists, like all the ship

1039
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: with temperature after death, all the ship with hang time,

1040
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: hang position, um, Like why do you hang it upside down?

1041
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 1: Why hang it by its neck versus by it's hot X?

1042
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: What happens when you bone meet out? What you're not

1043
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 1: allowing to happen when you bone it out warm and

1044
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: it hasn't gone through rigor on the tendon? And a

1045
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: lot of shit about stress, like what exactly chemically is

1046
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: happening to an animal that's stressed. He does a great

1047
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: job explain. I mean it's this whole subject to research

1048
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: his whole career and um like slaughterhouse practices and all

1049
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. He does a great job on it.

1050
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: The snaring hogs. I have a half dozen hogs snares

1051
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: that I've had that I've owned for over a decade,

1052
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 1: dying to use them. Um, have never used him. I

1053
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 1: had a guy that that is a wildlife control guy

1054
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 1: in Hawaii that does pig removal. He said, the number

1055
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: one problem with using snares for hog removal is that

1056
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: people think they want the hogs gone until they got

1057
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: to listen to a hall are gonna snare all night.

1058
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: Then they'd lose their interest in having the hogs be gone.

1059
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: So that you're talking about stress, it'll have people be like,

1060
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: never mind, get the snares out of here. I can't

1061
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:19,080
Speaker 1: handle it. Wow all night? Yeah, I can imagine. You know,

1062
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: we get I mean at the restaurant, we serve ferrell

1063
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: hog that's been inspected. So that hog was caught in

1064
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: a big trap. So they went in the trap. It

1065
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: was having a treat and then then the gates drop

1066
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: and so that's it. That's a big stressor right there.

1067
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: And you've ever seen the videos, they go nuts. They're

1068
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: trying to get out any which way. Okay, they're stressed out. Okay,

1069
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: Now a trailer is gonna back up, a monster is

1070
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: gonna pull up, you know, a diesel monster with the

1071
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,640
Speaker 1: trailer is going to back up. And now all these

1072
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: hogs get escorted, you know, like on you know, like

1073
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: prodded by little monsters that get out and make them

1074
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:00,439
Speaker 1: get up there for their first car ride, their first

1075
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: car ride down the highway, down the highway. That stress. Okay,

1076
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 1: so the world or you know there, it's just like

1077
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: a world. It's it's a it's a trip into outer

1078
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 1: space for them. They're going down the highway and then

1079
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: they get to their destination and what does that smell like?

1080
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: It smells like death and they get put in this

1081
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: holding pen for however long it is before feral hog

1082
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: processing day, which at our processor I believe is every

1083
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: It's either every week or every other week, so they

1084
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: might be in there for for a while. Um. But

1085
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: the thing is is that these hogs never tastes uh

1086
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: like with within the attributes that you would assume that

1087
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: a large amount of stress would would give them. They're

1088
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: fine at that point. So maybe there's some sort of

1089
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: plateau that happens where they're gender, they're they're acutely stressed,

1090
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: and then they're generally well, isn't it a different thing

1091
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: you're talking about. You're talking about not just stress with

1092
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 1: that snared hawk, you're talking about lactic acid. Yeah, the

1093
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: physical struggle is probably very different than just a psychological stress,

1094
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:14,520
Speaker 1: but the adrenaline stress versus lactic acid. I would imagine

1095
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: when you're fatigued to death, like literally, like you can't

1096
01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 1: move when you know that people are coming to get you,

1097
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: that's probably just an enormous amount of lactic acid through

1098
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: the system. I gotta I got a question for you, Jesse.

1099
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: We get a lot of people right in who are

1100
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: confused by what they censor. These big, big contradictions in

1101
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: wildlife management, particularly around the sale of wildlife parts. Okay,

1102
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: a couple of examples to be if you can't sell

1103
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: wild game, which is generally true, like you generally can't

1104
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: sell wild game, why can you buy a taxidermied head?

1105
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: Why can you buy an antler? Okay, and that would

1106
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 1: be like that's like by product, not the meat in

1107
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: that explanation. Why can you sell beaver meat to sled

1108
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: dogs for for sled dog food? Why can you sell

1109
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: a beaver's fur if you're not allowed to sell wild

1110
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: game be like, well, because that lives under a different

1111
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: regulatory structure, which is it's a fur bearer, it's it's

1112
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: not technically a game animal. Why can you sell fish?

1113
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: Why can people go to the ocean sell fish. If

1114
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: you can't sell wild game, that's fisheries. It's like historically

1115
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: been under totally different regulatory structure than wild game. Why

1116
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 1: can you sell bear grease as a hair dressing but

1117
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: you can't sell bear grease as a food additive? It

1118
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: would be because you can't it's a game animal. You

1119
01:03:49,960 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: can sell by product for non food. I'm speaking very

1120
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 1: general terms. You can sell by product for non food

1121
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: and purposes the same way I could sell you a

1122
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: bear hide, my old taxidermy I didn't want any more,

1123
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: But I couldn't have sold you edible food item marketed

1124
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:07,040
Speaker 1: to you as bear meat. So there's all these like

1125
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's complicated. It frustrates people that it

1126
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: doesn't make clean sense. There's too many things that sit

1127
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: outside of the rule, right, it's hard to understand how

1128
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: the rules even came to place. But how in the

1129
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: hell if I go into your restaurant, how can I

1130
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: go in and buy nilgai and they're not they're they're

1131
01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: they're not fenced in there, they're not domestic, Or how

1132
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: can I go and buy a wild pig? Like, how

1133
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 1: does that? How does that not fly in the face

1134
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: of this whole no wild game thing. Texas has different

1135
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: laws with invasive species. They have different laws with introduced species,

1136
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: like species from Asian Africa. You could buy them, they

1137
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 1: sell them like they sell cattle. But yeah, but they

1138
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: can't go out of the state like like and you

1139
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: they can, okay, like break it down from me, give

1140
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: me break give me the version of how you get

1141
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: a nil guy and what the rules are, and how

1142
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 1: you get a pig and what the rules are and

1143
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: what can't you do, like you can't right now, like

1144
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: maybe you can. Could you go right now and shoot

1145
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: a nil guy? Got it out and sell in your restaurant? No? Okay?

1146
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: So that that's what I'm like, I'm not okay, I

1147
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: know you're not breaking law. Explain it to have an inspector.

1148
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 1: So we're gonna let's break the pigs and uh and

1149
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,840
Speaker 1: then everything else into two different categories. And we'll start

1150
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: with the like the noil guy specifically. So these big

1151
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: ranches down here, you know that, you know along the

1152
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: South Texas coast where the nil guy are well, often

1153
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: if they need to call out a bunch of cows

1154
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: will hire an outfit, and that that outfit is generally

1155
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,880
Speaker 1: broken arrow as a female nil guy correct, sorry sorry,

1156
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: uh broken arrow ranch out of Ingram, and they'll come

1157
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:55,000
Speaker 1: down here and they'll shoot no guy from helicopters. UM.

1158
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: And the whole process has to be done very correctly

1159
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 1: with a with an actor there. Since they're going over

1160
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:03,920
Speaker 1: state lines, they're going to be U. S D A

1161
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 1: UM and so there they'll come down. They'll they'll take

1162
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 1: maybe eighty in a day. UM. And then they have

1163
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 1: these big refrigerated trailers and this crew that rolls down.

1164
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: What shots are they going for? Shooting head shots? Shooting

1165
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: head shots with presumably like from a helicopter, head shots

1166
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: of the rifle. And then they will process everything under

1167
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: inspection and then we'll take it back to their facility

1168
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: in Ingram, which is in the hill country. And from

1169
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: there they ship all over the country. And they're probably

1170
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 1: the pre eminent supplier of wild game and especially like

1171
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: high quality wild game. Uh. And they do uh different species.

1172
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 1: There's access. Sometimes you can get things like I believe

1173
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: they sell follow and maybe red deer, but they can't

1174
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: do with white tails. Correct, you can't do it because

1175
01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,560
Speaker 1: that's native game. It's native and it's a protected game species.

1176
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: Now I know there's white tail farms, I don't I

1177
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 1: don't know of any in Texas and I don't know

1178
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: the regulation around that, but you I think they can

1179
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 1: be farmed here. Plenty of other species that will fill

1180
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: that void, and they're typically invasive, and so it's it's

1181
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 1: best to utilize that as a resource. So your NIL

1182
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: guy in your access um we at the restaurant, we've

1183
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 1: had nil guy access Red David Pear, David, I'm Red

1184
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 1: Deer Pear, David Um even all dad that were cold

1185
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: off of off of ranches. So when it's in your restaurant,

1186
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: it's been inspected on the ground correct. So and that's

1187
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: since they're distributing beyond state lines, that's U s d A. Now, conversely,

1188
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 1: you've got feral pigs which are trapped live like we

1189
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: just described that process, and they're brought into a facility

1190
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: in Fredericksburg where they're inspected by a state inspector because

1191
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: he's not going to distribute the correct an anti mortem inspection,

1192
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: so before they're killed. All pigs are done that way.

1193
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 1: All Ferrell Hawgs, Yes, and so they can be either

1194
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: state or U. S d A. If they're not going

1195
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: over state. Lions they don't need to be U. S

1196
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: d A. And since his most of his distribution is

1197
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: probably to us AT, you know, and then a few

1198
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,600
Speaker 1: other places, he's not gonna mess with the kind of

1199
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,479
Speaker 1: the burdensome regulations that having a U. S d A

1200
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 1: inspector in your facility comes with. You know, so your

1201
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,480
Speaker 1: hogs and your restaurant live trapped, live trapped, state inspected,

1202
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: state inspected, they have a blue Texas stamp on them,

1203
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 1: got it. But there is a there is a way,

1204
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: there is an avenue well federal inspector to then have

1205
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: the you have Texas wild hogs federally inspected can go yes,

1206
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: And that's also common. So I mean most most Ferrell

1207
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: hog and Ferrell hog products in the United States are

1208
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: probably coming from Texas. Yeah, And so they're they're going

1209
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: to be acted under. Do you know when they inspected,

1210
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: what they're looking for obvious signs. I know they're looking

1211
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: at the inside of the They're gonna be looking at

1212
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: the organs for indications of for what they would call

1213
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: condemn they would condemn that animal um and then I

1214
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: think just general health while it's on the hoof, you know,

1215
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:26,759
Speaker 1: just make sure it's not lame or showing obvious signs

1216
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 1: of being sick or anything. And then there's some there's

1217
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,719
Speaker 1: something on the inside of the ribs I remember hearing about,

1218
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:35,559
Speaker 1: and then the an organ inspection and then it's good

1219
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: to go after that. UM. But Broken Arrow is U

1220
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,760
Speaker 1: s d A and they also do Ferrell Hawk. God,

1221
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: so they're USDA Farrell Hawk because their distribution is wider

1222
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: and so and they do it. They do a phenomenal job,

1223
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: like the quality of the me the aging process UM.

1224
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: They do that electro stimulation UM and then they age

1225
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,680
Speaker 1: everything really appropriately at the at the facility and then

1226
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: it's it's overnight. It it's it's an incredible company. Can

1227
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,800
Speaker 1: you buy? Like if you as a restaurant guy, Uh,

1228
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: can you buy? Is it just cheaper for you to

1229
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: buy domestic pigs? By the time all that ship's done,

1230
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: it's about the same price. Yeah, you think Farrell Hoggs

1231
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: would be dirt cheap. But because of the the trap,

1232
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 1: the trap, the trapper, the gaspel, the trailer, the processing,

1233
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:32,679
Speaker 1: the distribution, UM, it's not set up in the same

1234
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 1: structure and it's not as efficient, so it does and

1235
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, incur a bit of costs and so at

1236
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: the end of the day, a heritage breed pig, a

1237
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: large black red wattle, uh, and Ferrell hog are going

1238
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: to be about the same price. I gotta I gotta

1239
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: last question for you, Joe, where, um, where are you

1240
01:10:54,120 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: at as a home cook? And how has like game

1241
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: meat sort of change your thing? And what what's your

1242
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:11,560
Speaker 1: family's attitude towards you know, the all the all the

1243
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 1: game you guys eat. They love it because we eat

1244
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:21,320
Speaker 1: so much. Um. But um, where I'm at is uh, Well,

1245
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: one thing I did is uh, I started cooking everything, like,

1246
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 1: not everything, but most of what I do, I cook

1247
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: very slowly on a smoker. I usually use a trigger,

1248
01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 1: but I recently bought an actual Texas offset smoker, which

1249
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: I'm excited to do. You're saying someone made you one

1250
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 1: up that you're excited about. Yeah, yeah. And I also

1251
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: got one of those Argentine steak grills, which is great.

1252
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 1: So I really got into wood, uh, cooking over wood.

1253
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always loved like cooking on a trigger

1254
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: because I think it doesn't part like a flavor of

1255
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 1: wood to the food. But actual wood burning wood is

1256
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 1: next level and there's there's a convenience factor. Oh that

1257
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: the trigger is amazing. It's just the fact that I

1258
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: can tell my kids, tell my kids like listen, yeah,

1259
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 1: I checked my phone and it tells you what temperature

1260
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: the meat is. That's incredible. But there's also these probes

1261
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:25,000
Speaker 1: called meter prob Yeah, those are great, and you know

1262
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: you could use those and those also you can check

1263
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: on your phone. It gives your projection and when you're

1264
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,600
Speaker 1: gonna be it's a pretty good projection to due to be.

1265
01:12:31,680 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: Like I really like there's something about cooking over wood

1266
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: actual wood too, that gives you there's this caveman thing

1267
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: inside of you. It's like fire food. Like I remember

1268
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: the first time we hunted in Montana. That was I

1269
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,920
Speaker 1: never I never killed an animal and I certainly never

1270
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: killed a him. Uncooked it over a fire like a

1271
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 1: camp fire, Like this is the greatest ship in the world.

1272
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,240
Speaker 1: Like this this is like whatever it is, Like we're

1273
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: talking about this the other day that this is like

1274
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 1: a door that you can open up in your brain,

1275
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: Like I didn't even know this door was there, Like

1276
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: I don't even know this was an area of my house,

1277
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 1: Like what's in here? And it was like the oh,

1278
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: you just hunted and killed something and now you're gonna

1279
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,640
Speaker 1: eat it door and uh, And I was like, this

1280
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,080
Speaker 1: is my favorite room, Like this is my favorite room

1281
01:13:20,080 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 1: of the house. I don't even know it existed before.

1282
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 1: And that's what it feels like when I cook when

1283
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: it while I'm sitting there outside and I've got these

1284
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,720
Speaker 1: elk steaks and I basted them in olive oil and

1285
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 1: I've got some some sea salt on them, and I'm

1286
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 1: just sitting them on this grill and the fires crackling

1287
01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,000
Speaker 1: and the smoke is lifting up and I could smell it.

1288
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm in my glory. I'm having so much fun. I'm

1289
01:13:48,160 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 1: so relaxed. Maybe I have a glass of wine. I'm

1290
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 1: just chilling with my dog. It's the greatest thing in

1291
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: the world. And then the taste of it is so fantastic,

1292
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: and um, it does impart part that smoky flavor. And

1293
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: my favorite way to finish them, I like to do

1294
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: a reverse here with game me. I've tried a bunch

1295
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 1: of different methods, but to me, especially when it comes

1296
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: like with elk steaks, um, the best result that I've

1297
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 1: ever found is a slow temperature like two five degrees

1298
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: somewhere in that range until it hits about a hundred

1299
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: and ten hundred and twenty internal and then a really

1300
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: hot cast iron pan with with beef tallow and then

1301
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:32,519
Speaker 1: I see it on the outside. But what do you

1302
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 1: but you're not talking, su Vie, like what are you

1303
01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,560
Speaker 1: doing to get it up to that initial town? I

1304
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 1: just with the Argentine grill I have, you know, so

1305
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: you're indirect with monitoring the temperature and the thing. That's

1306
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: what's very nice about the trigger because it's very uh

1307
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 1: very like you could set you set to twenty five.

1308
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: It gives you to like it's going to keep it there.

1309
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,160
Speaker 1: It's really good at that um that you can do

1310
01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: that with the with an Argentine grill or a smoker,

1311
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: just a little bit more fiddling around with it um

1312
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 1: and then you know, so that's slow cook to get

1313
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:12,759
Speaker 1: it up to like and then searing it. That's my favorite.

1314
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,880
Speaker 1: But I also like to you know, cook things like

1315
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 1: stir fry things with eggs. I like to do that.

1316
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,720
Speaker 1: That's what I'll do with like ground elk. But I

1317
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: feel a lot of ground elk to my dog. That's

1318
01:15:24,560 --> 01:15:28,760
Speaker 1: it's really like dog food is like what are you

1319
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: feeding your dog? Like? What's in that? Like did you

1320
01:15:31,160 --> 01:15:33,800
Speaker 1: have any idea, Like it's like if you love your dog, like,

1321
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 1: would you give your friend that? Like what's in there? Like?

1322
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,040
Speaker 1: So even if you buy expensive dog food, I'm always like,

1323
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: what's how I never investigated. I've never gone to a

1324
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: dog food plant and see how they put it together.

1325
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'd be horrified. But what I know is

1326
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: the difference between the way he reacts when I put

1327
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 1: dog food down and the way he reacts when I

1328
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 1: put ground elk down. He goes bonkers. I mean, it's

1329
01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: not like you can't stop eating the he just dives

1330
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: into the food. So you know the thing, the thing

1331
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,560
Speaker 1: we do with I don't even call my dog, my

1332
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: wife kids dogs. You don't like dogs. I think that's

1333
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 1: so weird that you don't like dogs. How could you?

1334
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 1: How could you not like this? Because dogs tell you

1335
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: real quickly. It's not that I don't like him. I

1336
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,840
Speaker 1: don't understand what they do all day, Like what what

1337
01:16:20,240 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: because Kyle Kyo wakes up, the Kyle wakes up the morning,

1338
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 1: a fox wakes up in the morning, a wolf wakes

1339
01:16:27,400 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: up in the morning. Some bitch has ship on his agenda. Yeah,

1340
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,559
Speaker 1: because they have to, because they're a dog. I come

1341
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: home and I'm like, yeah, to come home. The dogs, Like,

1342
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: what do you been doing all day? He don't have

1343
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: to do. It's just just chilling. It's just like the

1344
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:43,960
Speaker 1: only thing in the house that doesn't have a you know,

1345
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 1: if we're taking the news up, then then I'm like, Okay.

1346
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,760
Speaker 1: When we take the dog out, you know, I get okay,

1347
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: he's up to something. Have you tried leaving him a list?

1348
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 1: It's not that I don't like Listen, my kids like.

1349
01:16:57,840 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: My kids like the dog more than they like me.

1350
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 1: Brings endless joy to the world. All that I told him,

1351
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: I said, listen, that dog isnt gonna last that long.

1352
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,839
Speaker 1: Oh my God, don't tell him that, Jesus Christ. But anyways,

1353
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 1: here's why, here's why I'm actually nicer to the dogs

1354
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: than anyone else's. I anytime I braise something, uh or

1355
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 1: any kind of boiled stuff, I save just the jugs

1356
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: of the liquid and I put and I put a

1357
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 1: couple of slugs of that boiled meat water Already want

1358
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: to call it that dog. It turns that dog's attitude

1359
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: around about anything in its bolting. If I'm home and

1360
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 1: I'm every day dose in its food, whatever like enhancing

1361
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:49,599
Speaker 1: its food with that boiled meat liquor. It'll, uh, if

1362
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm not there, they won't touch its food. It'll it'll

1363
01:17:53,200 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: starve itself into eventually wanting to approach that food again.

1364
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:58,559
Speaker 1: But then like do you ask, like you like live

1365
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: a lot, I'll live around. Young animals are old stuff. Uh,

1366
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: I chop it, boil it. Dog loves it. And we

1367
01:18:09,160 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 1: had we had someone on the show. Reason they're explained.

1368
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 1: The more they all their lungs, all their kidneys, they

1369
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 1: make their own dog food. My dog reacts to liver,

1370
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: like exponentially more than he reacts to even ground elk.

1371
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:29,880
Speaker 1: Liver is the king with him. I give him a

1372
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,040
Speaker 1: piece of liver, like the just the desire in his eyes.

1373
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: He sits staring at me, and my dog is like

1374
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:40,640
Speaker 1: the furthest from like a killer that you could have.

1375
01:18:40,760 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: He's a golden retriever. He's just a big love sponge.

1376
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 1: You know, he's the best. But like if he well

1377
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: he's a killer of squirrels. I'll tell you that that's

1378
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 1: his number one job. Like he just goes out and

1379
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,920
Speaker 1: tries to kill squirrels and he only gets one like

1380
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: every four or five months, Like every four or five months,

1381
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: I'll get a squirrel. One time I came home from work.

1382
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: It was funny. I came home, I let him outside

1383
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,920
Speaker 1: to open up the door, and I took a leak,

1384
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: and uh, in the time it took me to take

1385
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: a leak, I come out and he's standing there with

1386
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 1: a squirrel in his mouth, like, look what I got,

1387
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,600
Speaker 1: And it just like recently dead squirrel. And I don't know.

1388
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: I'm kind of conflicted. I'm like, I don't know. I

1389
01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: don't want to cook it and eat it because it's his,

1390
01:19:25,160 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: and I don't want him to eat it because I don't,

1391
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, all right, let's uh, let's take

1392
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: that from you, buddy. He wanted to he wanted me

1393
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 1: to know, you know. But other than that, you know,

1394
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 1: it's not like he's out there like taken down. Well,

1395
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: he actually did chase a deer. We had to deer

1396
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: in my yard, and I've never seen him chase after

1397
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: anything like you chased after these deer. The fact that

1398
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: he can differentiate between a deer and any other four

1399
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 1: legged animal, like a dog who's his friend. Like if

1400
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: he saw a dog, he'd be like, hello, dog, you're

1401
01:19:57,400 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 1: my friend. But those deer. He's like full clip chasing

1402
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: after me. He actually chased him into the neighbor's yard

1403
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: and came up big hullabaloo. Our our dog chases dear,

1404
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: but it got the ship kicked out of it by

1405
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:13,680
Speaker 1: turkey's a couple of times. And now like if that

1406
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 1: dog is doing something bad and that look at it

1407
01:20:15,320 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 1: and look the other way like it's like it thinks

1408
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: that if if it doesn't make eye contact with me,

1409
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: it'll be like better. And when there's turkeys around in

1410
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 1: the yard, that dog tries to look at him and

1411
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: tries to act like it's not looking at it looks

1412
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 1: at the turkeys at the corner of its eyes. He's

1413
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 1: like a bully at the bus stops. Like something tells

1414
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 1: me I have to chase him. But jes those things,

1415
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you do you do big bones, big

1416
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,960
Speaker 1: game bones for your dog? Um? I did this year?

1417
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,360
Speaker 1: This year, Um I did. Uh. I have a lot

1418
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:50,840
Speaker 1: of elk bone marrow that I can't wait to that

1419
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 1: actually just got back. We chopped him up and uh

1420
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: you met Ryan that was at the UH when he

1421
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: was helped me hang up the skulls and stuff like that.

1422
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: He delivered it to me, so I'm I'm gonna give

1423
01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:04,040
Speaker 1: it to him. But we made a mistake of I

1424
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: didn't know that you're not supposed to give a dog

1425
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:10,679
Speaker 1: a bone once that bone has been baked. Well, yeah,

1426
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: I know, because they demolish it. I got swallow and

1427
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,920
Speaker 1: then it jams up there inttional. Well yeah, I got

1428
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,160
Speaker 1: a bunch of trouble about that ship, so with my family,

1429
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,320
Speaker 1: because she's like, I got sick, was vomiting up a

1430
01:21:24,360 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: little bone. So now if I hand that dog a bone,

1431
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: she immediately goes to the door. She's got her head

1432
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,760
Speaker 1: like I gotta get away before someone takes it from me,

1433
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 1: and she'll then she'd be like suck it, and she'll

1434
01:21:40,280 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 1: go under the table to eat the bone. So now

1435
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 1: when I give her a bone, I tell the kids,

1436
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:45,280
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna give the dog a bone, it's your

1437
01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: job to take it away from it before and it

1438
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:54,519
Speaker 1: gets the good pieces off, but before she starts just

1439
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:57,720
Speaker 1: consuming bone fragment. So you still give her bones that

1440
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: have been cooked, only under supervised circumstances. I won't even

1441
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,840
Speaker 1: mess with it anymore because I think even under supervised circumstances,

1442
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 1: if they break a piece off and swallow it. You're

1443
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to stop that from happening. You

1444
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 1: should only give him raw bones. I learned that out

1445
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 1: the hard way. But thankfully he's okay. But yeah, um,

1446
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm doing a bone marrow this year, which I'm really

1447
01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:25,400
Speaker 1: excited about for the dog or for a year. Yeah,

1448
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: it's amazing, Like if you can put those the bigger

1449
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 1: bones to put them in a vice and then take

1450
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: a saw down and then build up a big coal

1451
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,080
Speaker 1: bed and then just drop them cut side up right

1452
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 1: in the coals, like roast him in the bones and

1453
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,840
Speaker 1: just salt on top of that. Yeah, it's great. Like

1454
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 1: we'll even take a band saw or um, you know

1455
01:22:48,240 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: I have I have a Milwaukee Uh they come a

1456
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 1: porter band like a portable band saw, and I like

1457
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 1: to it's clean. You might you might not like this idea.

1458
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 1: It's clean, but I freeze them, yeah, and then cut

1459
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: them frozen because it's just so clean that way. Caught

1460
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: them frozen, and then I put a little I just

1461
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,120
Speaker 1: lay him on a foam in the oven on a

1462
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: cookie sheet and do like your top about and a

1463
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:16,679
Speaker 1: cross cutter cross no cross cutting, not boats, little disks.

1464
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 1: And then if you're feeling real sexy. I'll take a

1465
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: little sprig of a little sprig of time and make

1466
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: it like a little tree grown out. So it's got

1467
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: a little tree grown out of it, and he put

1468
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 1: salt on that ship's good. So to answer your question,

1469
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:35,680
Speaker 1: I have some of the bones for him, some of

1470
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: the bones from me, the ones where it doesn't look

1471
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna get much marrow out of them, you know,

1472
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:43,120
Speaker 1: a little skinny leg portions. When you get those to him.

1473
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:55,600
Speaker 1: Families cool on game, they love it. Yeah, but my

1474
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 1: kids have been eating wild game for I mean I

1475
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 1: started hunting with you ten years ago. Oh, so they

1476
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:04,639
Speaker 1: never had to go through the like just normal to them,

1477
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: just normal to them. Yeah. I mean my one daughter

1478
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 1: was four, my other one was too at the time,

1479
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 1: so you know, like I never had to talk about it. No.

1480
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: She She used to love telling her friends that her

1481
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: favorite thing to eat was bear because I use your

1482
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: recipe of bear candy. Oh yeah, really good, inspired off

1483
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: of p F. Chang's Mongolian bees. O. God, it was

1484
01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: so delicious. It was so delicious, and we cooked it

1485
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: over rice, you know, I served it rather over rice.

1486
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 1: Forgot it was so good, and then it was their

1487
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:42,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing ever. They loved it. But obviously it's very sweet,

1488
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:44,320
Speaker 1: you know, the sugar involved in it. But you know,

1489
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: so when they told their friends at school, like you

1490
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: should have seen my friend's face, they're like, what's your

1491
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:51,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing to you know? I like bear and they're like,

1492
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 1: kid's house I love. I remember one time when we're

1493
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: living in Seattle and I sent my kid down to

1494
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 1: school though muskock sandwich, and I remember saying, I'm like,

1495
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,080
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing I guarantee has never happened.

1496
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,800
Speaker 1: Every bought the muskock sandwich down to your school that

1497
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 1: you can bet on, I mean, all the things you

1498
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,600
Speaker 1: can bet on that you can bet on. But what

1499
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:20,599
Speaker 1: a crazy animal that is? I mean, that's that's another

1500
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: animal that I feel like, if you hunted that sucker

1501
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: with a bow, you better keep an eye on it.

1502
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: You don't even find any blood. How how's it even

1503
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,720
Speaker 1: gonna drip any blood out all that crazy fur. The

1504
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 1: upside is there's no vegetation. There's vegetation. It's ankle high,

1505
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: and their their impulse isn't the whole ass. There would

1506
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 1: be more like you know we're talking about yesterday. If

1507
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 1: you oh, you know, I don't think we're rustlers, but

1508
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 1: we're amusing about if you arrow the cow right right right, Yeah,

1509
01:25:51,080 --> 01:25:53,759
Speaker 1: be a while, but you don't go where you're probably

1510
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: gonna find it. Yeah, it'll be it'll go over and

1511
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 1: stand over there. Yeah. And with the muskocks you do

1512
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: with the white surface to you can go hundreds of

1513
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: yards and I'll just be standing here watching it. Uh. Yeah,

1514
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: that was a good time. And there's a when I

1515
01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: hunted muskok um on. I did it one time where

1516
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,479
Speaker 1: I drew up tag to hunt muskots on noon Nevak Island,

1517
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: uh with the chupic eskimo. And I always like to

1518
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:25,120
Speaker 1: point out that when they're butchering the muskoks, they will say,

1519
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: this is a good part. It's chewy. H And where

1520
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: I was like, this is a good part, it's tender. Yeah.

1521
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,400
Speaker 1: They like that. They're like, oh, I like the neck

1522
01:26:37,479 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: because it's chewy. Have you ever seen where anthropologists break

1523
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:44,559
Speaker 1: down and biologists break down the problems that people are

1524
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 1: having with their jaws and their teeth and crowding of

1525
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 1: teeth in the diminishing of size of the lower jaw. Yeah,

1526
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,640
Speaker 1: that the dentist and early twentieth century went around and

1527
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,880
Speaker 1: documented native peoples around the world and there, I mean,

1528
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the healthiest ones were the ones eating like high meat diets,

1529
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:13,240
Speaker 1: followed by high fish diets, and then it just went down. Yeah,

1530
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: it's not just health, it's actually the physical shape of

1531
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: the jaw. But it was attributed like general health started,

1532
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 1: I mean, his whole thing was started with the jaw,

1533
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,800
Speaker 1: and you're in the shape of the teeth. So ea,

1534
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: Chewing tough meat was always a part of humans, and

1535
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,160
Speaker 1: that's the reason why we look at like a robust,

1536
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: square jaw as being something that's attractive genetically. That's someone

1537
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: who's had good meat you've been chewing. Now, if you

1538
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 1: look at people that live in areas we eat a

1539
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 1: lot of porridge and a lot of like mush, they

1540
01:27:47,640 --> 01:27:50,000
Speaker 1: developed fucked up teeth and they have like these little

1541
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: tiny ass jaws, and that's malnutrition. And it's it's also

1542
01:27:54,800 --> 01:28:00,560
Speaker 1: attributed to this notion that your jaw developed up in

1543
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: accordance to the amount of meat that you have to

1544
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 1: break down. He's got a good, strong jaw. Yeah, Yeah,

1545
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,679
Speaker 1: isn't that fine, But that's what that's. Yeah, and there's

1546
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:15,280
Speaker 1: a guy named mew um I forget. His last day

1547
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,080
Speaker 1: was first name around there, but his last name is

1548
01:28:17,120 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: Mew And he's a dentist, and he was trying to

1549
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 1: figure out I believe he's dentist, but he's a doctor.

1550
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: He's trying to figure out, like what is causing this

1551
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 1: um grouping of teeth like to be smashed in together

1552
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 1: and all all funked up, and what's causing them? And

1553
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:35,680
Speaker 1: is there a way to mitigate that? And so he

1554
01:28:35,800 --> 01:28:40,240
Speaker 1: developed a method called mewing. And this method is where

1555
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 1: you're like literally pressing your tongue down. I don't I

1556
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: don't know what the method is, um exactly, I've never

1557
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: tried it, but this, uh, this, there's a lot of

1558
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: people that have actually changed the shape of their jaw

1559
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,280
Speaker 1: through mewing, because it turns out your your jaw is

1560
01:28:59,280 --> 01:29:02,479
Speaker 1: actually some thing that can be manipulated. It's not like

1561
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: all the other bones like you you can buy this method.

1562
01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:11,519
Speaker 1: There's like before and afters where people can like make

1563
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: their teeth more spaced out. His idea was like this

1564
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: thing of like just use braces, Like why why is

1565
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,760
Speaker 1: it happening? I wonder why is it happening? Why are

1566
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:22,400
Speaker 1: the teeth bunching? Up, and his belief is that they're

1567
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: bunching up because people don't have access to difficult things

1568
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:31,280
Speaker 1: to chew, where the jaw gets like more robust. One

1569
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 1: thing you'll notice with weightlifters too, um and and people

1570
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:38,640
Speaker 1: who clamp down on mouthpieces a lot, like over the

1571
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,040
Speaker 1: course of time, they will develop a thicker jaw. Like

1572
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 1: it's something that that happens to you from Like if

1573
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,400
Speaker 1: you think about it, like a lot of people lift

1574
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: weights with um mouthpieces. Um, it's really good idea. Actually,

1575
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:58,200
Speaker 1: weeth develop microfractures. I might have microfractures almost all when

1576
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: I used to when I used to booze it up

1577
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 1: too much partying. Um, that was one of the things

1578
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,840
Speaker 1: that the microfractures in my teeth because I clenched my

1579
01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:09,760
Speaker 1: jaw at night. That's such a weird thing, so hard

1580
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: it'll hurt so um. These weightlifters that do that that,

1581
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: like bite down on mouthpieces, it actually makes your jaw

1582
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: thicker and stronger, to the point where there's a product

1583
01:30:21,240 --> 01:30:24,000
Speaker 1: that you can buy. I actually have. It's called jaws

1584
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 1: or size, and it looks like like a golf ball

1585
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 1: maybe with like two divots in it where your teeth

1586
01:30:31,479 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 1: slide in and you put it in your mouth and

1587
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: it's weightlifting for your mouth. So you put this thing

1588
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:41,000
Speaker 1: in you like this and you're crunching down on this

1589
01:30:41,200 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 1: rubber ball. Yeah, so you can go. You abs gluten

1590
01:30:46,400 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 1: and your job and it makes your job muscles stronger,

1591
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: which would be really good for a fighter because like

1592
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:55,560
Speaker 1: part of the problem is the jaw being dislocated and

1593
01:30:55,720 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: moved it. It's like that's one of the ways you

1594
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: get knocked out. You get hit in the jaw. And

1595
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: if your jaw is more sturdy and it's more muscle there,

1596
01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: it might prevent you from certain knockouts when you protect

1597
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: you rather so if you're if you if a fella

1598
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:16,360
Speaker 1: is doing that, you put that in and it's like

1599
01:31:16,439 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 1: you gonna spend ten minutes or whatever. Yeah, you would

1600
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,040
Speaker 1: do it like you know, you do sit ups in

1601
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: the morning, do your jaw, do sit ups, work your

1602
01:31:25,439 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: jaw muscles, do your chin ups, do your push ups,

1603
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,960
Speaker 1: do your calistenics, whatever you do, and also do your

1604
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 1: jaw and there's there after what's that No, a ball gag.

1605
01:31:36,200 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: It's the opposite because it's like to hide how he's

1606
01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,720
Speaker 1: trying to hide how jack his jaws. Everybody's gonna think

1607
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:49,719
Speaker 1: he's been messing with that ball. Funny thing, the desire

1608
01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,719
Speaker 1: for a square jaw. But it's it. Uh. They believe

1609
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 1: it really has to do with people not eating tough

1610
01:31:56,560 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 1: meat anymore, because you know, primarily are diets at one

1611
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 1: point in time where when we were hunting gatherers, if

1612
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: you were successful, your diet was meat. If you were unsuccessful,

1613
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 1: your diet was bullshit. You know, like you just were

1614
01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: just surviving on you know, whatever little berries and ship

1615
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:21,840
Speaker 1: you could eat, and you didn't have strong jaw muscles. Um, totally, Yeah,

1616
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:27,880
Speaker 1: I want to chew on like, did you get No, No,

1617
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: I got the thing I wanted to mention. Get one

1618
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: of them. Jaws are sized things, Like it's really cool.

1619
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I forgot there's the thing I wanted to mention, which

1620
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 1: is the the coolest word. Then we gotta cut some

1621
01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: deer up and we got a long drive. Right. But

1622
01:32:44,080 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: don't remember me telling you the other day when I

1623
01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: was on your show, I was telling me about the

1624
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,360
Speaker 1: book I'm reading about the guy that traveled with the

1625
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: guy that was assigned to the black Feet by the

1626
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Hudson Bay Company. Uh, I'm probably gonna hit people with

1627
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,600
Speaker 1: a million tidbits. It's out of this book. It's fascinating.

1628
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:10,040
Speaker 1: The word their word for a moose, which is somewhat

1629
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:12,880
Speaker 1: of a rarity in their area. Their word for a

1630
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: moose six s so six So I'm not pronouncing it right,

1631
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure sixty so phonetic um. Black going out of sight.

1632
01:33:26,360 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. That's so poetic, like a big black rump

1633
01:33:32,080 --> 01:33:35,240
Speaker 1: going outside, vanishes into the willow, black going out of sight.

1634
01:33:36,320 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: She is so good, man. I heard a word. There's

1635
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: a there's a native word. I don't I don't even

1636
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 1: know what tribe. There's a Native American word they called

1637
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:47,719
Speaker 1: the bitter Root. So they were west of the bitter Roots.

1638
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: So they were in the Pacific drainage, the Continental the

1639
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: Continental divide. The other side of that was the land

1640
01:34:00,439 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: or like the place beyond which there are no salmon. Ah. Yeah,

1641
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:13,040
Speaker 1: you have the place of salmon and place. It's like,

1642
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,200
Speaker 1: it's all you need to know. Did you got me

1643
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: into I went on to kick a couple of years

1644
01:34:17,240 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: back of like multiple books on Native Americans. Um, because

1645
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: I read uh Empire the Summer Moon, and I told

1646
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 1: you about it, and you're like, that's good. But you're

1647
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 1: at this and then you turn me on to Sun

1648
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:37,400
Speaker 1: of the Morning Star. Oh my god. This books are

1649
01:34:37,439 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: so heavy. And when you read those books and then

1650
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:44,519
Speaker 1: um Black Elk Speaks is another great one. You read

1651
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:49,360
Speaker 1: those books and you just imagine the hard scrabble life,

1652
01:34:49,920 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: the difficulty those people faced, the horrors, the hardships. It's

1653
01:34:55,080 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 1: just it's amazing how that wasn't that long ago. But

1654
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:03,920
Speaker 1: how soft we are now. We are so different, We're

1655
01:35:04,120 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 1: we're almost complete. If you Sam Bankman freed and then

1656
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:16,400
Speaker 1: imagine him surviving on the planes with the comanches that

1657
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: he's might well, we can't fig Basically, Almita was moving

1658
01:35:21,680 --> 01:35:24,840
Speaker 1: and he's on amphetamines, and he weighs eight pounds. He's

1659
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:27,680
Speaker 1: basically made out of the same texture of whatever his

1660
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,400
Speaker 1: tissue is, like a jelly donuts. If you boil a

1661
01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,720
Speaker 1: moose joint, if you and then grab a handful of

1662
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: the sun comes off, that's a perfect that's a perfect disagreeation.

1663
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:44,360
Speaker 1: He's mush um and his jaws non existent. I mean right, like,

1664
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 1: that's that's what a human is like. One of the

1665
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:50,200
Speaker 1: most until this Ponzi scheme fell apart, one of the

1666
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: most successful humans amongst us, right, and number two donor

1667
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,400
Speaker 1: to the Democratic Party like that, that's a that's a hume,

1668
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: a thirty year old, robust in his prime, male human being.

1669
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: Of there's a lot of there's a lot of candidates

1670
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 1: thinking like, I'm not gonna be getting that check again. Yeah,

1671
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:15,000
Speaker 1: that's a wrap. We're gonna have to fund ourselves through

1672
01:36:15,160 --> 01:36:22,439
Speaker 1: honest living. It's it's but it's it's amazing how quickly

1673
01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,719
Speaker 1: the world has changed and how quickly life has changed,

1674
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:31,040
Speaker 1: and that what we're doing, you know, with this, I mean,

1675
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 1: we're doing a modern version of hunter gatherer. Right. The

1676
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 1: modern version is so much easier, like what I was saying,

1677
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: like about bow hunting, that it's rifle hunting is more effective.

1678
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:48,120
Speaker 1: It's probably more ethical in that there's less of a

1679
01:36:48,240 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: likelihood of injury an animal, particularly if you're in a

1680
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 1: closer distance and you're proficient. It's easier to achieve proficiency,

1681
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 1: I think, although still very difficult to make no mistake about.

1682
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: And I think also let me just say this that

1683
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 1: rifle hunting on public land is probably more difficulty, more

1684
01:37:07,200 --> 01:37:10,200
Speaker 1: difficult than doing the kind of bow hunting that I enjoy,

1685
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 1: because bow hunting on private land you have more opportunities.

1686
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:19,200
Speaker 1: These are more um, really wild animals in the sense

1687
01:37:19,320 --> 01:37:22,439
Speaker 1: that they're not pressured and they're not accustomed to being

1688
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:24,599
Speaker 1: chased by human beings because there's much less of them,

1689
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 1: much different public land. There's a thing. I mean, I

1690
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 1: admire the people that are very successful in public land,

1691
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: and I admire that attitude that like, hey, you know,

1692
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:41,880
Speaker 1: I got this done on public land. What bothers me

1693
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: is these animals are unnaturally pressured by swarms of people

1694
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:50,880
Speaker 1: who go out there at a specific time of the year.

1695
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that normal? Is that? Like they're not

1696
01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:59,000
Speaker 1: They're they're wild, right, but they're wild in this very

1697
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:03,320
Speaker 1: strange sense where they're just constantly being fun with by

1698
01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 1: people and they don't bugle anymore, and they kind of

1699
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,719
Speaker 1: they're like kind of hiding. And it's just a totally

1700
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: different experience than if you were like Lewis and Clark

1701
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:16,760
Speaker 1: and you were making a way across the country and

1702
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 1: you encountered like a herd of elk. I what I

1703
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 1: would give to be around back then, just to see

1704
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:29,080
Speaker 1: what it was like. What was it like before there

1705
01:38:29,120 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: were cities, before there was you know, any sort of

1706
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:38,000
Speaker 1: wildlife management, Just what was it, like I mean, and

1707
01:38:38,200 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: again not that long ago, just a few hundred years ago. Uh,

1708
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:46,960
Speaker 1: there's a couple of great books to understand that Osborne

1709
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 1: Russell's Journal, Journal of a trapp or whatever. Where the

1710
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:54,479
Speaker 1: hell Osborne Russell's Journal, which is a lot of times

1711
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,040
Speaker 1: there was a lot to eat and a lot of times.

1712
01:38:56,080 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: Ain't shitty that there's a book Land of Feast and Famine.

1713
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: Um like in the es living off land in Canada.

1714
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: It's like sometimes you can't there's so much you can't

1715
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 1: even process at all in a lot of times screwed. Well.

1716
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 1: That's also why a lot of those planes Indians they

1717
01:39:12,160 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: would find these massive herds of buffalo. It's like, look, gos,

1718
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: fuck stay and put where they go we go. Let's

1719
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: just keep moving and and fall behind. But what we're

1720
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:28,560
Speaker 1: doing with this modern version of hunting and gathering is

1721
01:39:28,840 --> 01:39:31,600
Speaker 1: uh again what I said about like opening up that

1722
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,880
Speaker 1: door in your brain, it is beyond It's the most

1723
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: satisfying way to acquire protein and to get meat and

1724
01:39:40,800 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 1: to feed your family. It's the best food that I've

1725
01:39:43,880 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 1: ever eaten, certainly in terms of nutrition, but even in

1726
01:39:48,240 --> 01:39:51,920
Speaker 1: terms of like taste. I absolutely prefer it to everything else,

1727
01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,680
Speaker 1: and you know, you and you bringing me into that

1728
01:39:55,320 --> 01:39:59,320
Speaker 1: has completely changed my life. And it's been ten years now,

1729
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 1: um since that first hunt that we went on, you

1730
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: know that was that was ten years ago this year

1731
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 1: and it changed every it was like ten years ago

1732
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:11,920
Speaker 1: two months ago. Well, you and you introduced me to

1733
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: the idea of doing a podcast, so we're even yeah,

1734
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:19,040
Speaker 1: well I'm glad you do because I like listening to it.

1735
01:40:19,640 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: But um yeah, again, it's like I'm very well, I'm

1736
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: very aware of even though uh compared to like a

1737
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 1: Sam Bank from mac bankman Freed, I'm like a completely

1738
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:34,920
Speaker 1: different kind of man. But compared to the people that

1739
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: actually made their way across this country and people that,

1740
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:42,120
Speaker 1: like whether it's the plains, Indians or the settlers, people

1741
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 1: that we're trying to hunt and gather in a time

1742
01:40:45,600 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: where you didn't have on X maps, you didn't have

1743
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: you know, you didn't have GPS tracking and both sites

1744
01:40:53,240 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: that ranged for you. And you know, it's what it's

1745
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: it's just amazing how far things have changed and how

1746
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,960
Speaker 1: much things have changed. And I don't know if it's

1747
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,800
Speaker 1: for the better or for the worst, but I know

1748
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:11,519
Speaker 1: that for my life, if I can. The more I

1749
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:17,479
Speaker 1: can introduce of being embedded into actual wild nature, the

1750
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:20,760
Speaker 1: better I feel. Yeah, I don't think, and I've never

1751
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: thought that I'm approximating a a actual hunter gather experience

1752
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:37,719
Speaker 1: as lived by hunter gatherers that were pre market environment

1753
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: like like like self like people that were in a

1754
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 1: self contained economy. However, it's like I do an activity,

1755
01:41:45,240 --> 01:41:47,560
Speaker 1: I engage in an activity, and I gauge in a

1756
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: dietary practice that has overlap, and my understanding of what

1757
01:41:54,520 --> 01:42:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm doing is very heavily is very heavily influenced by

1758
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:04,760
Speaker 1: or enhanced by an understanding of how people did it.

1759
01:42:06,040 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't equate them. You know, I

1760
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:15,240
Speaker 1: could read all day about um ancestral hunter gathers like

1761
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 1: and and there, and I'll learn things that that make

1762
01:42:17,640 --> 01:42:20,679
Speaker 1: my experience better. But I'm not don't. I'm not learning

1763
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:24,800
Speaker 1: tips and tricks. I'm learning that a way to think

1764
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:28,960
Speaker 1: about a moose, okay, or it's just it's like a

1765
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: way to think about a movies like are the word moves?

1766
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,519
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means m O O s E.

1767
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't know to think about the experience of

1768
01:42:37,120 --> 01:42:40,760
Speaker 1: of a word that means black going out of sight.

1769
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, fun, that's good, you know, it's just it's

1770
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:46,800
Speaker 1: it's just it enhances like that bit of knowledge. I'll

1771
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:49,479
Speaker 1: never live as the person that had that language. I'll

1772
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:51,720
Speaker 1: never know what language meant to them. I'll never know

1773
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: what they felt when they saw a moose, But like

1774
01:42:54,000 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: that enhances my experience. But one thing that you are

1775
01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: doing is you are letting more po bowle become aware

1776
01:43:01,400 --> 01:43:03,920
Speaker 1: of the benefits of eating that kind of food and

1777
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,320
Speaker 1: living that kind of life and experiencing hunting in a

1778
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:12,400
Speaker 1: modern context, and that that's it's it's fascinating to see

1779
01:43:12,479 --> 01:43:15,560
Speaker 1: that there has been a resurgence in hunting over the

1780
01:43:15,680 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 1: last few years. It's it's quite a bit of a resurgence.

1781
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:21,880
Speaker 1: And I think there was also a resurgence during the

1782
01:43:21,960 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: pandemic that was a lot of people recognizing, like, hey,

1783
01:43:26,960 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: this whole supply chain thing and this is not as

1784
01:43:30,439 --> 01:43:32,800
Speaker 1: robust as I thought, This is not a stable as

1785
01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: I thought. Maybe be a good idea to at least

1786
01:43:35,360 --> 01:43:39,120
Speaker 1: have some understanding of how to acquire food in the wild.

1787
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,479
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm happy that there are so many people

1788
01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 1: that are experiencing that. But for the people that are

1789
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: doing it, and they're doing it on public land, they're

1790
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: also realizing, well, boy, this is uh really ramped up

1791
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: the amount of people that are interested in doing this,

1792
01:43:56,320 --> 01:43:59,120
Speaker 1: and it's made it this thing that you enjoy doing

1793
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:03,400
Speaker 1: so much more popular, and that means there's much more pressure.

1794
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:07,160
Speaker 1: That means so this pros and cons to it, changing

1795
01:44:07,240 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 1: practices everything. Yeah, but my my take on that is like,

1796
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:15,720
Speaker 1: I want more people to know about it. Is it

1797
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,240
Speaker 1: going to cause problems, Yes, but it's gonna cause a

1798
01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:20,600
Speaker 1: lot less problems than if they take it away. And

1799
01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:23,920
Speaker 1: if less people do it, the more likely that it

1800
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: gets taken away, that the probability of that becomes higher

1801
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 1: and higher. And that that scares a ship out of me,

1802
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:35,720
Speaker 1: because I've had conversations with educated, intelligent people and they

1803
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:39,160
Speaker 1: were like, no one needs to hunt today, and and

1804
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, you don't. You really have no idea what

1805
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: you're saying, And you have no idea where this this

1806
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 1: train of thought goes, and you you have no idea

1807
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: why it would be satisfying to those people. And I

1808
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,200
Speaker 1: guarantee you if you went and you experienced it, if

1809
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,040
Speaker 1: you're a meat eater and you say this this is

1810
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: a foolish notion that no one needs to hunt today.

1811
01:44:59,040 --> 01:45:00,439
Speaker 1: No one needs to hunt. Your right, you can go

1812
01:45:00,479 --> 01:45:02,559
Speaker 1: to the grocery store. But to say no one needs

1813
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:04,800
Speaker 1: to hunt, like you should stop. You don't know what

1814
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about. Yeah, i'd even argue that man like needs,

1815
01:45:08,080 --> 01:45:10,639
Speaker 1: I don't. I guess needs is a weird word. Yeah,

1816
01:45:10,680 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 1: it is hard because but they say it like you

1817
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,320
Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. It will never happen in my lifetime.

1818
01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:17,519
Speaker 1: I sure should hope it don't. And I don't even

1819
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: know when I would hit the threshold. But if I

1820
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 1: had to, um if I lost faith, and how the

1821
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: regulatory structure if I lost faith, and how the regulatory

1822
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,840
Speaker 1: structure is laid out like right now in the United

1823
01:45:32,840 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: States of America, across all fifty state game and fish agencies,

1824
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: a couple of plates like California. I'm beginning to have

1825
01:45:40,200 --> 01:45:43,960
Speaker 1: questions about Washington State. I'm beginning to have questions about

1826
01:45:44,360 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: But when I look at Jere, I'm like, I'm just

1827
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm on board with wildlife management. I'm an advocate of it.

1828
01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:52,160
Speaker 1: The models we have UM as long as you're like,

1829
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,080
Speaker 1: we want to have sustainable populations of wild game that

1830
01:45:55,160 --> 01:45:59,040
Speaker 1: can support limited harvest and we're gonna help and regulate.

1831
01:45:59,800 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: Are are citizens who want to participate in that harvest? Like,

1832
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,360
Speaker 1: great if you do that, and you say that there's

1833
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:09,240
Speaker 1: no uh, there's no elk tags this year. Elk tags

1834
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,599
Speaker 1: are lower this year, and I can see that why

1835
01:46:11,720 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 1: that's the case, and like numbers are down and here's

1836
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,240
Speaker 1: the factors. I'm okay, cool, totally on board, as long

1837
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:21,719
Speaker 1: as it's managed by wildlife biologists. You're letting people vote

1838
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 1: on this stuff. That's what gets crazy. And that's what

1839
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,920
Speaker 1: happened in Vancouver when they got rid of the grizzly hunt.

1840
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 1: You're letting people vote on it. They have zero experience

1841
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:33,800
Speaker 1: with grizzlies, and they're not wildlife biologists. They don't know

1842
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:36,639
Speaker 1: what they're voting on. They just don't want bears to die.

1843
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:39,439
Speaker 1: So they're like, yeah, let's stop bears from dying. And

1844
01:46:39,560 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 1: so they vote on the idea that a person who's uninformed,

1845
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: who just happens to be a voting age can change

1846
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:50,839
Speaker 1: wildlife management practices. That's insane and that should be separate.

1847
01:46:51,160 --> 01:46:53,560
Speaker 1: You should not be able to vote for that. You

1848
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 1: should be able to vote for if you think that

1849
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: the wildlife biologists are doing a bad job, and the

1850
01:46:57,800 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 1: the organization is doing a bad job. You should vote

1851
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,200
Speaker 1: for politicians that want to hire better people and do

1852
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,439
Speaker 1: a better job and fit and fix it and make

1853
01:47:04,479 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 1: it more more science based. But there's a lot of

1854
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 1: places where they're acting entirely on the whim of the

1855
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: public that are loathsomely uninformed. Yeah, I would like I

1856
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: hope it doesn't happen. I don't think it will happen

1857
01:47:19,479 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 1: in my lifetime. But I could picture becoming like I

1858
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: could picture rather than quit hunting, I to become a

1859
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:30,800
Speaker 1: vigilante hunter, like the punisher. No, Like like an Elks

1860
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,560
Speaker 1: call in your shirt. No, like the people that continued

1861
01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:38,760
Speaker 1: to drink during prohibition. If I was like, this is

1862
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:44,559
Speaker 1: you know, it's misguided, it's a mistake, it's not coming

1863
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: from the right place, I guess I'm gonna be the

1864
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 1: kind of person that that made wine in their own

1865
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 1: bathtub during the prohibition. Yeah, that's when we vote in

1866
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: Ted Digit for president. That's when we go listen. Recruitment.

1867
01:47:57,439 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: That's why recruitment is so important. Like, right now, what

1868
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,400
Speaker 1: you're doing is fantastic. Well, I mean hunters too, right,

1869
01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:07,160
Speaker 1: But what you're doing. Jesse's fantastic because you actually teach people.

1870
01:48:07,240 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 1: Now the best thing, man, the best thing is that

1871
01:48:10,520 --> 01:48:14,519
Speaker 1: is that you're never like it's never like you're not

1872
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,600
Speaker 1: gonna if if we go by like sort of like

1873
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 1: a very rough understanding of democracy where it's like fIF right,

1874
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 1: it's not that it's not that you need hunters to

1875
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:28,560
Speaker 1: win legislative battles. You need that because that's it's not

1876
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 1: going to be like all the hunters versus everybody else,

1877
01:48:30,840 --> 01:48:33,479
Speaker 1: because even in the best case scenario, you're gonna lose eight.

1878
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:38,639
Speaker 1: It's the people that don't hunt. What do they think

1879
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 1: about it? Right? Well, a lot of people that that

1880
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 1: might hunt, especially in in this state in particular, they

1881
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: might go hunt once, but then you've they've opened the

1882
01:48:48,080 --> 01:48:49,920
Speaker 1: door and they've gone into the room that you were

1883
01:48:49,960 --> 01:48:53,280
Speaker 1: talking about, and then now they see that, and then

1884
01:48:53,840 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 1: they tell other people, and it's like that's how that

1885
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,640
Speaker 1: they're less likely to bone you on the referendum. That's like,

1886
01:49:00,040 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: wait a minute, you know what, I used to think

1887
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 1: that hunting was on are unnecessary, But then I know

1888
01:49:08,439 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 1: someone that went and did it had the opportunity. They

1889
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:14,960
Speaker 1: never would have had that opportunity before, and then that's

1890
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:17,720
Speaker 1: how you're going to change the minds. I think it's

1891
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: just too I mean, because it's just education. Yeah, Like

1892
01:49:20,200 --> 01:49:22,280
Speaker 1: I've I've served a lot of bear meat to a

1893
01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,120
Speaker 1: lot of people that will never hunt a bear. They'll

1894
01:49:24,120 --> 01:49:26,280
Speaker 1: never hunt anything. I like to think I like to

1895
01:49:26,320 --> 01:49:28,960
Speaker 1: hope that they're sitting there and they go down to

1896
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 1: the vote or they're filling out their ship at their

1897
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: kitchen table, and they get to some part about well,

1898
01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:38,479
Speaker 1: it would you know, ban the ability to hunt bears,

1899
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:40,240
Speaker 1: and you're looking at some shit about whether or not

1900
01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:42,479
Speaker 1: you should vote for some judge you never heard of before,

1901
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: and like how you feel about the millages increase? You know,

1902
01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,080
Speaker 1: you don't have any kids in school, and you're like,

1903
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:49,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I should say yeah, but I don't

1904
01:49:49,880 --> 01:49:51,559
Speaker 1: have any kids in school. And then you get down

1905
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:53,679
Speaker 1: to the one about some ship about band and bear hunting.

1906
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:55,719
Speaker 1: I like to think they'd go like if I canna

1907
01:49:55,720 --> 01:50:00,280
Speaker 1: put down though, well, I think it's interesting with putting

1908
01:50:00,280 --> 01:50:03,280
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. You know, they brought it back. They

1909
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: brought it back. That guy ran on the premise, that's

1910
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 1: part of what he was running on. I'm the band

1911
01:50:08,120 --> 01:50:13,080
Speaker 1: the bear hunt that was part of his platform better education. Uh,

1912
01:50:13,240 --> 01:50:18,000
Speaker 1: no bear hunt, but the human human bearing interactions went

1913
01:50:18,080 --> 01:50:22,559
Speaker 1: up two hundred percent. They just extended the season good.

1914
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:24,960
Speaker 1: I was gunning for that guy and he was one.

1915
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 1: Like I was like, if I could, if I could

1916
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:30,120
Speaker 1: get one, if I could make one politician be voted

1917
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:31,519
Speaker 1: out of office. I had it in my head that

1918
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: was gonna be that murder. That is the one of

1919
01:50:33,400 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: the most foolish things that governor has ever done. Because

1920
01:50:36,280 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 1: there's are there more black bears per capita in New

1921
01:50:39,120 --> 01:50:41,360
Speaker 1: Jersey than anywhere else in the state in the States,

1922
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. I think that's true. And

1923
01:50:44,040 --> 01:50:47,280
Speaker 1: it was, and they totally screwed with their bear hunters,

1924
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:49,360
Speaker 1: and they make the bear hunters go and check their

1925
01:50:49,400 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 1: bears at public places so that people would freak out,

1926
01:50:53,640 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 1: so you could make a media spectacle like when you

1927
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 1: go to check a bear like Montana for instance, Right, well,

1928
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,719
Speaker 1: you check a sheep in Alaska, check a bear in Montana.

1929
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: You go to fishing game, you go inside, you notify

1930
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:08,120
Speaker 1: someone that you have a bear to check. They have

1931
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:12,200
Speaker 1: you drive around back, you go into the structure or garage,

1932
01:51:12,280 --> 01:51:14,600
Speaker 1: whatever the hell it is, and you privately conduct the

1933
01:51:14,680 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: investigation in New Jersey of like here ye hear ye,

1934
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:21,320
Speaker 1: all bear hunters will be bringing their bears down to

1935
01:51:21,600 --> 01:51:27,519
Speaker 1: s X rest area, come on down and down. Yeah,

1936
01:51:27,560 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 1: they made it like a nightmare. God, so those people

1937
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 1: are mandatory checking. But they turned it into like a

1938
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,439
Speaker 1: media spectacle and and like vict and and turned to

1939
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:40,960
Speaker 1: everybody into villains. Anyways, he's this, we we gotta end up.

1940
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 1: I know everybody's gotta go, but I'll end on this.

1941
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 1: Murphy's you had another politician ran on that bear stuff.

1942
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 1: He's had an our top politician who got busted maskless

1943
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:52,960
Speaker 1: with a bunch of people in the restaurant. Yeah, see

1944
01:51:52,960 --> 01:51:57,000
Speaker 1: that video. The woman's got a camera on him. It's

1945
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:01,360
Speaker 1: a great quote, Murphy, You're such a dick. That's funny.

1946
01:52:03,600 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 1: And he's like hanging out with everybody with no mask

1947
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 1: and mean, while everybody else is supposed to be mask up,

1948
01:52:09,600 --> 01:52:14,280
Speaker 1: mask up. And I do not condone going up to

1949
01:52:14,360 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: people and like scramming a camera your face like it's bad,

1950
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:18,400
Speaker 1: Like you don't do it. But I just thought that

1951
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: was a funny, like opening line of that. And I

1952
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:25,519
Speaker 1: thought she was talking about the I thought she's talking

1953
01:52:25,520 --> 01:52:26,960
Speaker 1: about the bear hunt, but she was in fact talking

1954
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:31,759
Speaker 1: about the she's talking about the masking. But they got it. Florida,

1955
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:37,000
Speaker 1: they had a bear hunt. Uh, it went way better

1956
01:52:37,080 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 1: than I expected. They had a quote. It's like, it's

1957
01:52:39,439 --> 01:52:43,040
Speaker 1: crazy they made a quota. They hit the quotter really fast.

1958
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 1: I would be like, oh, if you hit the quotter

1959
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 1: really fast, you must have a lot more bears then

1960
01:52:47,240 --> 01:52:51,600
Speaker 1: you thought. But then it wanted being bad. Did they

1961
01:52:51,680 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: hit the quota. It's like, we hit the quota fast.

1962
01:52:54,160 --> 01:52:58,120
Speaker 1: No more bear hunts ever, because everybody's astounded that they

1963
01:52:58,200 --> 01:53:01,040
Speaker 1: hit the quarter so fast. Yeah, I understand they killed

1964
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:04,160
Speaker 1: blank thousand bales a bear dying per second. Or that's

1965
01:53:04,160 --> 01:53:07,519
Speaker 1: all the dummies moving from New York to Florida because

1966
01:53:07,520 --> 01:53:10,320
Speaker 1: they want to save on taxes. Well, it's that, and

1967
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,479
Speaker 1: it's also like the COVID regulations. There's a lot of

1968
01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:17,920
Speaker 1: people that were very upset or I'm I don't, I

1969
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,000
Speaker 1: don't have I'm a I'm a big Florida fan, man,

1970
01:53:20,040 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I would never hack on Florida, but I

1971
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:25,840
Speaker 1: would hack on how they handle that damn bear hunt. Yeah, well,

1972
01:53:26,040 --> 01:53:28,880
Speaker 1: get to Santis on the podcast, bring that up to him.

1973
01:53:30,120 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: Funny well, I told you that's my that's my life's goal. Funny,

1974
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:37,000
Speaker 1: interesting that you brought that up. That's my life's goal. Uh,

1975
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:40,120
Speaker 1: all right, guys, we gotta go. What time is it? Ye? Yeah,

1976
01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,240
Speaker 1: I gotta wrap. I gotta cut a couple of deer up.

1977
01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Joe, thanks for having me, and

1978
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:47,360
Speaker 1: thank you Jesse for all the great cooking. Dude, you're

1979
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: such a good chef and you're a good cook. Thanks. Man.

1980
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 1: Now I like that. That's that that is like, that's

1981
01:53:54,640 --> 01:53:59,200
Speaker 1: a great cook cooking for your friends. Man, Yeah, that's

1982
01:53:59,360 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 1: curry less. Night was insane so good. The only thing

1983
01:54:03,400 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 1: I can do better than you is make a tone

1984
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:09,400
Speaker 1: and the ducks that we went off on the duck earlier,

1985
01:54:09,680 --> 01:54:14,840
Speaker 1: the ducks you way better. Everything to me, And someday

1986
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:16,280
Speaker 1: I can show you how to handle the beef to

1987
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:20,679
Speaker 1: That's very kind. I a forciate al right, guys, Thanks