1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season one ninety one, 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: episode three of Jardin Les I Got East, the production 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,760 Speaker 1: of My Heart Radio. This is a podcast where we 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: take a deep dive into America's share consciousness. And it 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: is Wednesday, June thirtieth one. My name is Jack O'Brien 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: a k let him say, we're chew get don't care 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: about that, but it takes him, My takes Miles. Don't 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: ever look back. Let the world around us just fall apart. Miles, 9 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 1: we can make it if we're talking fart and we 10 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: can host this pot together, Second Rate Forever Daily's It 11 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: is starting now. That is courtesy of Official Dickhead, and 12 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co host, 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: Mr Miles grad Us. Jack won't fucking stop with all 14 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 1: the UFOs flying tic TACs. Oh please God, no UFOs. 15 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: I am worry's Jack's obsessed with UFOs. Come on, buddy, 16 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 1: let's go watch shows. Please, let's go anyway. Shout out 17 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: to Christymapucci made for that vile most inspired UFO. Just Jess, 18 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: We're loving we got big Ufo Energio. I'm just asking 19 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: questions here, I'm just asking a question I'm open to 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: any potential outcome. Yes, and then you did. You were like, 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: though you believe you believe me? Right, I'm like, yes, 22 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 1: come on, it's great. Come on, Christie, it ain't that bad? 23 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: All right? Well, Miles, We're thrilled to be joined in 24 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: our third tea by a very talented writer and actor 25 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: who's critically acclaimed one woman show I Heart Hammama and 26 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: other Things I'm Afraid to Tell You toward for five 27 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 1: years across the US and internationally, and was dubbed a 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: fantastic and important piece of theater at the Edinburgh Fringe Festival. 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: Her writing has appeared in books like Don't Panic on Islamic, 30 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: and she's acted on shows like Transparent and Messiah. Please 31 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: welcome Jennifer Jojo Who Hi, guys, good morning, Good morning, 32 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: it is indeed. How are you doing? What's I mean? 33 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: I'm just meeting I mean we met, we were briefly 34 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: talking before. But how are you? How are you? How 35 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: are you liking this day podcast so far? This podcast 36 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: so far? To sing? How does that rate for you? 37 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 1: As someone who's an acclaimed performer? You know, I love 38 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: to wake up and be serenaded by two men. So yes, 39 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: let's do this some thumbs up on that. Usually, you know, 40 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: usually I'm only serenaded by one man in the morning, 41 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: but and that's my dog. But I'm not gonna all right. 42 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: We started this off so cringe like dog cute actually 43 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: I know, and a cat. Oh yeah, because you know, 44 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to create my own personal Israel Palestine in 45 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: my home. There you go. You are are they not? 46 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: Are they at odds with each other? Oh? Absolutely? The 47 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: is like murderous constantly, Like I got the dog during 48 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: pandemic because I was like, oh the cat so lonely 49 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: and I'm still working. The whole time. I thought it 50 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: would be cute, like they would be inner species love. No, 51 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: forget it, they hate each other. Yeah, just NonStop, no 52 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: like cool moments where they like start cuddling up. It's 53 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: just a cold war. Well, the cat started off kicking 54 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: the dog's ass for the first you know year, and 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: then at some point the cat switched and was like, 56 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 1: all right, I'm I'm already like I need a cuddle, buddy. 57 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: And so the cat now like warms up to the 58 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: doctor to cuddle when the dog's sleeping. But then as 59 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: soon as the dog like feels the fur onage back. 60 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: It like wakes up and just just like bolts across 61 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: the room, wants nothing to do with it because of 62 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: because of the past years. Just all those paws to 63 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: the face. I'm sure the dog I have. I have 64 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: cats and a dog. They get along mostly, but like 65 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 1: what they do is if if they are near each other, 66 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: just because they got tired at the same time, near 67 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: each other, but they're not. See. I thought it would 68 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: be cute. I thought it might be cute, but it's not. 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: It's a war zone. It but the hair. Yeah, I 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: mean cats were evolved to kill rodents and dogs were 71 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: evolved to like love and be like humans companions. So 72 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I just feel like they're they're very different. Even though 73 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: people act like are you a dog cat, a dog 74 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: person or a cat person, It's like, well, they're they're 75 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: very different animals exactly. That's how we know more about you. Yeah, 76 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: all right, Jennifer, We're going to get to know you 77 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: a little bit better in a moment. First, we're gonna 78 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: tell our listeners a couple of things we're talking about. 79 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about how American attitudes towards Palestine are changing, 80 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: and Joe but I this is not at all. We're 81 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 1: gonna talk about Nancy Pelosi going forward with a January 82 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: six commission without the Republicans. Finally, we'll talk about whether 83 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: COVID will follow what happened with AIDS, which was basically, 84 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: we paid a lot of attention to it, and then 85 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: once there was a partial solution that was available to 86 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: rich people, we just pretended like it was over and 87 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't a problem anymore. So we'll talk about that 88 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: all of that plenty more. But first, Jennifer, we like 89 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: to ask our guests, what is something from your search history. 90 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: I was searching yesterday about Juliana Sange's extradition. Mm. Yeah, 91 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: I've heard he's next up on the on the hit 92 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: list of the shadowy forces that killed Jeffrey Epstein and uh, 93 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: what's his name? Oh yeah, I'm super surprised he hasn't 94 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 1: been taken out yet. That's just shocking. I guess his uh, 95 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,279 Speaker 1: his father and brother are doing a tour throughout the 96 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: US trying a drum up support for him. But he Um, 97 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: he's basically in a London jail waiting to get extradited 98 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: to the US for like charges of espionage and and 99 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: but the whole case is falling apart. Like basically, the 100 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: guy who was the main witness for the US case, 101 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: this Icelandic hacker basically like came out in the last 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: few days and was like, no, I made it all up, 103 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: like everything I said like bs just so that I 104 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: can get immunity from the US And allegedly, while the 105 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: d o J was like interviewing this dude and collecting 106 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: all this like evidence against Assage, the dude was like 107 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: committing all these like financial crimes and like sexual assaults. 108 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: So like their star witnesses like a total criminal Creek 109 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: who basically said elied. So yeah, federal government is bed 110 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: bed forced to be on the other side of it. 111 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: Seems like, um, oh yeah, definitely, and you have something 112 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: like this, like what's like your actual basis for a 113 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: case now, you know, when you're relying on someone who 114 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: just said, oh yeah, that was just all self serving lives. 115 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: I told it's really nothing to do with the reality 116 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: of your case against Juliana Sange. So we're what what now, 117 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: we're just kidding. I was like molesting women and cremitting 118 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: financial crimes in between interviews with you guys, Like what 119 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: McAfee was the other guy I was talking about. Obviously, 120 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: it's I'm not I'm not saying there's anything inherently suspicious 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: about that. I'm just saying that the people who are 122 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: in trouble with the US government seemed to be more 123 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: likely to off themselves than other sorts of prisoners. And 124 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: that could just be because, like we said, the federal 125 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: government is the worst opponent to have in in this world. 126 00:07:55,720 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: I think the US federal government there unkind But Jeffrey 127 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: Epston definitely didn't off himself for sure. What is something 128 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: you think is overrated? Oh? Overrated? Going back to normal? Yeah, 129 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 1: this is totally overrated. I'm not into this. They people 130 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: want people hey, people want you to though. That's the like, 131 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's even I saw like the there's like 132 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: materials that the administration and like the d n C 133 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: here preparing to like paint this picture of like pre 134 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: pandemic life and how like we're getting back to it. 135 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: And you're I mean, you'd have to be. You have 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: to have your head so deep in the ground to 137 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: not go through the last you know, fourteen months, sixteen 138 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: months and just say like whoa, what about the hell world? 139 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 1: From before because we're getting a little bit of relief now, 140 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: but what what is normal and how how is that 141 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: equitable for everyone? Yeah? Absolutely, it was like, wait a second, 142 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: I didn't I wasn't having a good time before. I 143 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: don't want to go back to that. And also, did 144 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: we just go through this huge reset moment, this huge 145 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: pause moment where we all kind of got to reassess 146 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: what our values were to just be like oh yeah 147 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: going back to start school. Looks at the brunch scene like, yeah, dude, 148 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: now that nobody wants to go back to work, it's like, 149 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we need to reassess this system for you. 150 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: What what has been sort of your normal that you're 151 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: not going back to personally, I mean, aside from I 152 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of the large like as you say, 153 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: a lot of people had time to assess their own 154 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: priorities and things that may have been out of black 155 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: or whatever. Has there been anything specific for you that 156 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 1: you're kind of like, well, no, this is I've been 157 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: changed in this way. Oh yeah, absolutely. I pretty much 158 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: like quit all my jobs and liquidated all of my 159 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: like business stuff during like within the last six months, 160 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: because I was like, wait a second, none of what 161 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm doing has is adding value to the world. And 162 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, it was all like all these hustle jobs 163 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: so I can continue acting and doing comedy, and I realized, 164 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 1: like those were all taking over my life and I 165 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: wasn't acting and doing comedy or it was like bits 166 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 1: and pieces, but it was like that was my side gig, 167 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: was acting in comedy. So I've kind of liquidated all 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: of that in the past couple of months. And then 169 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,239 Speaker 1: I also am I've always been politically active. I'm Palestinian. 170 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: We need to be politically active. That's just like you're born. 171 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I feel like you're born African 172 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: American and you're you're political because of your identity. So yeah, 173 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: it's like I've always been political, but with everything going 174 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: on right now, I'm just like there's no time to 175 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: worry about using my voice to like how it's going 176 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: to harm my career or affect me. Like I can't 177 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: worry about my own self interest at this moment because 178 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: there's just too much at stake in the world. So 179 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: prior to that, that was something that was sort of 180 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: part of your risk assessment or like calculus for how 181 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: you're sort of navigating things or how whatever you say 182 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: because you seem I mean in your pretty outspoken. So 183 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: oh yeah. I did have a show called I Heart 184 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: hum Us a little bit I was like, uh oh good, 185 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: but you know that actually was like a super cheeky 186 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: title and it was just kind of playing into the 187 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: assumptions that everybody had. You know. I wrote that show 188 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: with Kamal Bell and like, you know, it was it 189 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: was definitely comedic, tragic comic, I would say, but it 190 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: really played the assumption of like this is who you 191 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: think we are. Well, it's like, let me just co 192 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: op that identity and like take it to the most ridiculous, 193 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, wearing like this cute, sexy little like camo 194 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: tank top and like all right, this is what you want. 195 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: Here you go. But you know, I was always political 196 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: in my work, but definitely like I thought about everything 197 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: I was saying in terms of like how is this going, 198 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: Like is this the right time to talk about this? 199 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: Is this the right setting to talk about this? And 200 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: now I'm like, you know, yeah, it's here, and now 201 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: those are out those are all out the window. It's 202 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: like it's the only way to change the world is 203 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: like to actively engage and it's you know, what, what 204 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: world are we fighting for? Yeah? Absolutely? What is something 205 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: you think is underrated? Free? Brittany Man. They those kids 206 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: knew what was up. Yeah, yeah, Babs Gray and yeah, 207 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean it. And now like I'm I'm looking at 208 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: her little Maui vacation photos. I'm like, I hope you're good. Hope, 209 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,199 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope they took the spending limits off 210 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: your card? Fuck, Like, what is happening? But yeah, it 211 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: truly is. Uh, it's just it's really it's it's it's interesting, 212 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: like it's really sort of underlying the sort of evolution 213 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: that I think people are having, like just in terms 214 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: of how we look at popular culture and celebrity and 215 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: before like, you know, it took, as she said, what, 216 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: thirteen years of being in this conservatorship, and for thirteen 217 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: years people are like, oh no, it's probably good for her. 218 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: I guess she's seems okay. And now we're like really 219 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 1: having these discussions about you know, what what what agency 220 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 1: actually looks like for someone and what autonomy is and 221 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: how they can exercise that for themselves despite whatever, you know, 222 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: mental health crises that they've gone through in their past. Absolutely, 223 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy that she was unaware that she 224 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: could petition the court and ask for this to be removed, 225 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: Like it took thirteen years for her to be apprized 226 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 1: of this information. To me, that's like serious criminal negligence 227 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: on her attorney's part, Like how is she unaware of 228 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: even how what her rights are? So to me, you know, 229 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: it just seems like all these people were conspiring to 230 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: keep her underlock and key so they can like take 231 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: a coin and go live in a nice life while 232 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: she was on a budget. This woman made millions of 233 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: dollars and they put her on a budget like a 234 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: high schooler. There they'll be like teaching her story like 235 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: years from now, because like brings together so many things 236 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: like the American you know, popular culture, but then like 237 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: misogyny and like legal legalized, you know, the misogyny and 238 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: just the the way Americans will like let abuse happen 239 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: in plain sight. Like I I really think it's like 240 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: truly amazing story, like we're finding we're finding out and 241 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: also the power of like the Internet to just let 242 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: things bubble up where people are like something feels fucking 243 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: off here, right, And you know, this is one of 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: the cases where that wasn't wrong. The hopefully it erodes 245 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: like how people sanctify these these things like our judicial 246 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: system or you know, our government and think like, well 247 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: there's I mean, if it's the judge says that it 248 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: can't be wrong, and I think a lot of us 249 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: the critical thinking ended there or being like well, if 250 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: the judge ruled that, it's probably a fair or just 251 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: or whatever. And now more than anything, you're like no, 252 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: this this is like just they've legalized is sort of 253 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: like really creepy paternalistic control culture, and it's yeah, like 254 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: we're looking at him like how wait what? And hopefully 255 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 1: that continues more and people can keep the examinations going 256 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: of these structures. I was I was so ready to 257 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: leave my house when you know like that. It was 258 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: almost like a feeling of suffocation, like when you're like 259 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: a teenager and you're just like ready to like move on, 260 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: and like having that extend into your adult life is 261 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: It's just like I can't imagine a worse fate really, 262 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: especially somebody who like does not who's like dead, was 263 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: not in their life and they just like kind of 264 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: come back and take over control of their life. It's 265 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 1: like a unique hell that the legal system kind of 266 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: designed for her on top of you know what, what 267 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: the very specific hell of being a celebrity who where 268 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: everybody feels like they have a say and a stake 269 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: in your sexuality. Like it's really, I don't know, fucked. Yeah, 270 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: there was that documentary that came out a couple of 271 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: months ago I think about it, that was just like, 272 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: you know, I've never been a Britney Spears fan, but 273 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: once I saw that, I was like, whoa, they did 274 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: this girl so wrong. It doesn't even surprise anyone that 275 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: she would have a mental breakdown, but then to use 276 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: that as a premise to completely like put her under 277 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: lock and key and control every aspect of her life. 278 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: And that fact that like, you know, if you saw 279 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: her Instagram, like she was just like dancing in her 280 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: house and her underwear and like really badly filmed, really 281 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: like manic dancing, and she seemed like totally drugged up, 282 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, that doesn't seem like a person 283 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: who's like doing well and happy. This seems like the 284 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: very least didn't come off as fentick or genuine in 285 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: any way. Like that's like, that doesn't feel like that's 286 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: Britney Spears being comfortable in her own home for sure. No, 287 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: absolutely cry for help. It's like, wait, why are you 288 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: never outside of that room? Right? Yeah, Like the behind 289 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: the scenes footage of her where she just seems like 290 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: a person you know from the documentary, Like you kind 291 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: of saw that lead through in the court hearing, there's 292 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: just this like one moment where like I guess they 293 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: had not secured the court proceedings, like it was conducted 294 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: over zoom and so like she was like one of 295 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: hundreds of people who were zooming into the thing. And 296 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: they also like because there's so much interest in it, 297 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: like their website crashed. So like once they got that through, 298 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: like the judge was like, can you please state your name? 299 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 1: And she's like, who me, Oh, I'm Brittney Brittney Spears, 300 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: And it was just like so cute and like it 301 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 1: felt like that person that you saw in that documentary, 302 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,480 Speaker 1: but like never see anywhere else, right, So yeah, I 303 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: mean it's just like that's fucked up. Alright, let's take 304 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll be back to talk some news. 305 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: And we're back, and there's a new pull out that 306 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: suggests that American attitudes towards Palestine are changing. This is 307 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: something that we've kind of talked about just based on, 308 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: you know, the the way you're allowed to talk about, 309 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: you know, what is happening to the Palestinian people in 310 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: the media has gone from like being very closely policed 311 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: to slightly less policed. Yeah, and people just being like, 312 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm just gonna say what I feel because 313 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: this is uh can atrocity. It's a it's a genocide, 314 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: uh and that. Yeah, so we saw that there. This 315 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: poll indicates that that's something that's being seen sort of 316 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: democratically across the population, right, And I mean, I think 317 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: the biggest thing is that you see is for Democrats. 318 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: You know, it's a poll from Democrats, who you know, 319 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: sort of identifies liberal Democrats up to you know, moderate Democrats, 320 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: from liberal Republicans up to conservative Republicans, and predictably, you know, 321 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: it breaks down party lines the way you think. Republicans 322 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: are more in the camp of we're not supporting Israel enough, 323 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: and Democrats are we're not supporting the Palestinians enough, and 324 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 1: Democrats say the US is not supportive enough of the Palestinians. 325 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: But it goes to six among Democrats who identify as 326 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: liberal and so on the other side of Republicans say 327 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: that the US is not supportive enough of the Israelis, 328 00:19:56,240 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: and then that goes to sixty percent if you're a 329 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: conservative Republican. I'm not sure where the nuance exactly is 330 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: with the Republicans, but this is what we're seeing sort of. 331 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: I think it makes sense because every you know, the 332 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: way Donald Trump's administration work, it was completely just sort 333 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: of like, yeah, it's all bets are off what he 334 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: want us. Do you want us to move the embassy? 335 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: You will just tell us what, you know, what We're 336 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: down to do whatever. And meanwhile, I think the media 337 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: has been more interested in covering, you know, Biden's as 338 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: he says, ironclad commitment to Israel, as he vows that 339 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: Iran will never possess a nuclear weapon on his watch, 340 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: and that's taken up a lot of the sort of 341 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: headlines in the US. It's just sort of re established 342 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: Biden as someone who's standing with Israel. And unfortunately, this 343 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: is really this is sadly predictable the way our media operates, 344 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: because as we were talking on the Trending episode the 345 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: other day, is that while this is happening that we've 346 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: talked about sort of the people that are being displaced 347 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: from their homes in the Silwan neighborhood of occupied East Jerusalem, 348 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 1: and just sort of the how this is all legally happening, 349 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, because under the Israeli law, Jews if they 350 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: can prove, if they can prove their families lived in 351 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: this part of East Jerusalem before the establishment of Israel, 352 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 1: they can essentially request the return of their property. And 353 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: even if Palestinians have said, well, we've been here for decades. 354 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what what this claim is, 355 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: but we've been here since for for literal decades. Unfortunately, 356 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: Palestinians do not have this right to contest anything like that. 357 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: It's only for Israeli's Yet we have establishment Democrats who 358 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: are just doing everything they can to avoid any meaningful 359 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: examination of our relationship to this genocide. While we're also 360 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: seeing in the numbers there are is a growing number 361 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: of people who voted for Joe Biden who are also 362 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: on the other side saying we disapprove of his handling 363 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: of this entire situation. It's I think in a world 364 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: where again seeing how clearly uh systems of oppression operate 365 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: within this country and abroad, and even the connections on 366 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: how you know, crowd control, riot could troll technologies are 367 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: tested on Palestinians or are experimented Palestinians, and then they 368 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: export that technology to people here who are advocating, advocating 369 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: for better outcomes for black Americans and things like that. 370 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: You see just this connection. But we're not We're never 371 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: for The media is not going to sort of arrive 372 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: at that place to really put everything on the table 373 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: and say where are we at and what are we 374 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 1: actually advocating for as a country, because that would force 375 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: many conversations that I think the United States is not 376 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: interested in having. Um. So, yeah, it's it's just a 377 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: bit of a odd not odd, it's just a sort 378 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,719 Speaker 1: of depressing moment to know that these things are all 379 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: happening concurrently. Well, it's absolutely like you said, it's totally predictable. 380 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 1: I mean, there is a video that's circulating of good 381 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: Biden like in the eighties speaking, um, the best investment 382 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: We've ever made. Yeah, where he's like, you know, if 383 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: there wasn't an Israel in the Middle East, the US 384 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,919 Speaker 1: would create an Israel, and we have to create we 385 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: that's how that is our clients state, that is our 386 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: reach into the Middle East. That's our control of the 387 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: entire region. And like, unfortunately, no matter what kind of 388 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: steps that Israel takes in terms of like furthering Apartheidan 389 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: genocide of Palestine and the Palestinian people, like the US 390 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,680 Speaker 1: you know, slaps them on the risk, but keeps sending 391 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: them seven million dollars with weapons. So you know, I 392 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: think the basics are like the US, the foreign policy 393 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: of the US, no matter who's in the White House 394 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: isn't going to change unless yeah, we've somehow then that's 395 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: the thing. It's like how it's hard to envision someone 396 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: ever reaching it that reaching that far or going that 397 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: far to get to the White House to completely upend 398 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: the foreign policy because it's not about security for America, 399 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: is just about keeping the vested interest that we have 400 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 1: in like resources and other things. Is like that just 401 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: running the same way without any regard for what the 402 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: human cost is. And I think until we do that, 403 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: like we're not gonna see any It's the same way 404 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: with that where a lot of people are yearning for 405 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: the change, even with our domestic policy and how we 406 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: treat people within our borders, and I think it's just 407 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: they're all sort of they're all intrinsically tied to each other, 408 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: and we're you know, a lot of people are left 409 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: with their head scratching without arriving to the point that 410 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: we need radical change, um in order for these things 411 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: to even begin to inch towards something more equitable. I mean, 412 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: not to be a conspiracy theorist, but the president is 413 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: a figurehead and the administration is absolutely on, like there 414 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: is an agenda that no matter who you are, and 415 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: you get in there, like you've got a little bit 416 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 1: of wiggle room in terms of party lines. But the 417 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: reality is there's a status quot that isn't going to change, 418 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: and it's not gonna be top down change. It's going 419 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: to be people on the ground agitating for change, even 420 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: with things like Medicare for all or you know what's 421 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 1: happening with immigrants or you know African Americans, Like, there 422 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: is not going to be any major shift coming from 423 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 1: the top down because everybody at the top is benefiting 424 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: from this, So why would they go against their own 425 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: best interests. I mean, when you look at this sort 426 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: of demographically, the fifty of the members of Congress are 427 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 1: millionaires that how the fuck could you ever get someone 428 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: like that to understand what it means to live hand 429 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: to mouth, to live paycheck to paycheck. It's all abstract. 430 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: And for the people who are, you know, in their 431 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, they can't you see, all the time, 432 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: these people don't know the cost of anything, or you say, 433 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: they say the most sort of disconnected from reality takes 434 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: about like what a dollar can get you these days, 435 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: And these are the people who have the decision making power. 436 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: And yeah, I really believe it's the greatest changes are 437 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: coming from the bottom up because just how people are 438 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: naturally saying I'm not going to work for less than 439 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,040 Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, that's already forcing a lot of come and 440 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: he's be like, well food here fifteen, and if you 441 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: come with a friend, you'll get two bucks. Like I 442 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: was just traveling through the state and I saw like 443 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: on hotels and motels, on their marquees they were advertising 444 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: what their wages were and then like perks on top 445 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: of it. And you're realizing that this is truly this 446 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: is something that a lot of especially business owners, are 447 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: having to grapple with. But that's because it's happening organically 448 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: from the bottom. Jennifer is someone on the ground who's 449 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: actively kind of engaged in this specific conflict. Like just 450 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: you know, talking to people. Have you seen things change 451 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,479 Speaker 1: just in terms of like what people are willing to 452 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: say and like how people view the conflict. I've absolutely 453 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: seen a shift, for sure. I mean a lot of 454 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,679 Speaker 1: large you know, people who have a lot bigger platforms, 455 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: celebrities have spoken up. A lot of them have been 456 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: have walked back what they said, though, because after weeks 457 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: of speaking up, I feel like they're handlers, you know. 458 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: I even have a friend who's a big director in Hollywood, 459 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: and she's been really outspoken online, and she told me 460 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: that her management and her her reps called her and 461 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: they were like, Yo, people are starting to call us 462 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: and tell us like, you're going really out there with 463 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: your politics, and like this is going to jeopardize your 464 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: ability to get hired. So when people like Mark Ruffalo 465 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: are like super strongly advocating for Palestine and then all 466 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,119 Speaker 1: of a sudden make you turn and walk it back, 467 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, you're not surprised because the amount and and 468 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: my friends, you know, she's she's working director, but she's 469 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: not a huge director. So you have to think these 470 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: like mega stars like Bella Hadid or Mark Ruffalo, who 471 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: are who are being really outspoken, and they're not being 472 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: outspoken in an insane way. They're just like, this is wrong. 473 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: There needs to be justice. Palestinians are human beings and 474 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: they're being you know, they're being terrorized. This is unacceptable 475 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 1: and so for them to have to walk that back 476 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: is just really for sustrating, but shows you the control 477 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: the vice gript going on in like in in terms 478 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: of speaking out. But then there are other people like 479 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: India Moore who are just like, I don't care if 480 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: this hurts my career. I'm on the side of justice. 481 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: So I think, you know, we're seeing a lot more 482 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: people being outspoken. We're seeing people in Congress being outspoken, 483 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: which has never happened before. Betty McCollum introduced this bill 484 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: to limit how you know, that funding to Israel had 485 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: to be like it couldn't be used to harm children 486 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: and to you know, for bombing and for certain things. 487 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: It's like we're trying to control, you know, they're trying 488 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: to control how Israel spends the money. But really the 489 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: whole system is really corrupt. And so it's the question 490 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: of like how even in the U S, how do 491 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: you reform the system. Is it through two parties? Is 492 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: it through diplomacy, or is it through like shaking up 493 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: the system from within? And enough of the ground swell 494 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,440 Speaker 1: of people speaking up. And so I think that's what 495 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: when I saw the shift, and I felt like there's 496 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: a palpable shift of people being like enough is enough. 497 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: Israeli's you know, celebrities, a lot of like anti Zionist 498 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: Jews who are like, whoa, this isn't right. I feel 499 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: like there's a cultural shift that has to do. That's 500 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: like built on all the work Black Lives Matter did 501 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: and built on like all of the precedents in the 502 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: last couple of years of people really resisting and um 503 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: agitating for social justice issues, for trans rights, for black lives, 504 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: for all of this. And so it's kind of a 505 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: wave where people now are making the connections between all 506 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: these different movements and they're like, wait, I can't support 507 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: this and then not be on board with this, like 508 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: you got to be progressive across the board. And so 509 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: it's exciting that those connections are now being made. Yeah, 510 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: something I heard you mentioned interview was the idea of 511 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: just the entire region being a democratically run like a 512 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: democracy basically, And I mean that's the US justifies a 513 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: lot of its foreign policy by, you know, with the 514 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: idea of bringing democracy to other countries and other regions. 515 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: But like that, you don't even hear that like mentioned 516 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: as a as an option in Palestine and Israel like that. Well, 517 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: the hilarious thing is they call it. They're like, Israel 518 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: is the only democracy in the Middle East. I'm like, look, 519 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: you tried to bring democracy to Iraq and killed millions 520 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: of Iraqis. How did that work for you? Like your 521 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: imposition of your concept of democracy on another culture is 522 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: absolutely assinine, and especially when you don't even have a 523 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: democracy here, absolutely not. And then the the assumption or 524 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 1: this like you know, assertion that Israel is a democracy. 525 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: It's like, wait, there's four million plus Palestinians unoccupied who 526 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: are like in this limbo where they can be attacked 527 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: or bombed or arrested or rated at any time, have 528 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: no control over there, like coming in and out of 529 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: their territory, can't leave, can't vote, have no human rights, 530 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: are not even being vaccinated, And yeah, and have like 531 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: no autonomy, but we're calling the democracy. It's like, well, 532 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: those aren't really our citizens. So we are a democracy 533 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: over here, but the people we occupy don't really count 534 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: in terms of our democracy. I'm like, that's pretty selective 535 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: terms zero and I guess and that's the trap of 536 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: for American foreign policy to look at the situation very objectively, 537 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: because it would force the lens to be put back 538 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 1: on this country and be like, it's all it's happening 539 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: here too, we're just doing it in different ways. We're 540 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,719 Speaker 1: also we we have subsets of citizens that we're not 541 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: interested in their mobility at all or their well being, 542 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: and we want to just keep this air up that 543 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: everything's fine and okay and just sort of have these 544 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: like really dark corners of our country just be ignored 545 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: and just focus on like the bright middle part. And 546 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: I think that's inherently just like I think the US, 547 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: just as as it's structured now, is incapable of having 548 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 1: that kind of reckoning because it would it would force 549 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 1: its own and that's I think America's fantastic at escaping 550 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: a reckoning with its own history or policies. Yeah, everything's 551 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: a pr campaign to put a little pretty rainbow and 552 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,959 Speaker 1: pretend you support gay rights, and then you're actually contributing 553 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: to anti LGBT legislation. So it's like, you know, everything 554 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: is the pr campaign is this pretty veneer that we 555 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: just go, oh, yes, Israel Democracy, Oh yes, all these 556 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: companies support LGBT rights. But when you dig deeper, you're like, 557 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: that's you know, that's just a really pretty slick ad campaign. 558 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: But the reality is that no, Home Depot doesn't support 559 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,600 Speaker 1: you know, they were there was this infographic about like 560 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: home Depot and all of these other or Walmart and 561 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: where they were like doing this like pro pride, you know, 562 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: all of the designs, and then you're like, what the 563 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: f is going on? You hate gays? Oh yeah, just 564 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: our pr people said we need to say this to 565 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: keep sales going. So we do that because the bottom 566 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: line is just the revenue, the capital. That's really all 567 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: it is. But it's really it's just it reminds me 568 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: of like the idea of letting Palestinian people vote, like 569 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: have have human rights, like reminds me of the Black 570 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 1: Lives Matter movement. It's like this very basic thing you're 571 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: saying is like these are people too who should be 572 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: treated as citizens that like outrageous people that is treated 573 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: as like this very you know, radical thing. I feel 574 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: like that more and more people are kind of coming 575 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: around to like, wow, that's can't be on the right side. 576 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: If the idea that these people's lives matter, or that 577 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: the people should be able to vote in elections that 578 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: like determine the outcome of the place that they live 579 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: like is considered radical, like, then yeah, you're you're fucked, Like, yeah, absolutely, 580 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: And that's what we saw with Trump and office. Honestly, 581 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,000 Speaker 1: as maniacal as Trump was, I felt like it was 582 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,520 Speaker 1: good for this country in the sense that it brought 583 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: up all the filth to the surface and so there 584 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: was no illusion that all of this racism and and 585 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: like craziness it was going on that could be like oh, 586 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: of course, you know, with a I feel like with 587 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: a Democrat in office, no one's pointing out that there's 588 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: still kids at the border in cages, no one's pointing 589 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: out all of these things, because it's like, oh, kumbaye al, 590 00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: let's go to brunch and hold hands blue no matter who. 591 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: And the reality is, during Trump's Reign of Terror, as 592 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: I like to call it, it just brought up all 593 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: the muck to the surface. And it's like, in order 594 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: to move forward and like create what we want as 595 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: a country and as you know, to create what we 596 00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: want in terms of our living environments, we have to 597 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,799 Speaker 1: dismantle all of these systems. And we can't dismantle them 598 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: if we can't see them or we're pretending they don't exist. 599 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: So on some level, I feel like it was regenerative 600 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: for the evolution of the US as a country. Now, 601 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: if we're gonna ask if we're going to keep this 602 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: momentum going and actually ride that wave, I don't know. 603 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,720 Speaker 1: I have doubts some days, you know. I saw this graphic, 604 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: this like meme with a metronome where like one side 605 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: was like, we're changing the world, and the other side 606 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 1: was like I'm desperately an existential crisis and like everything 607 00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: is terrible, And it's like I keep going back and 608 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: forth from one extreme to like, yes, we are up 609 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,239 Speaker 1: ending these systems, to like, oh my god, we are 610 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: like under so much pressure from people who want to 611 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: maintain a status quo and hurt, murder, silence. Anybody who 612 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: has any you know, who wants to point out like, yo, 613 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 1: this is not so cool, right, and even that just 614 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: to say, even if someone was probably had to take 615 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: because like it's not so cool, what's happening in occupied 616 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: eas Jerusalem, Like people like, hey, that's a hot take. Yeah, 617 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,839 Speaker 1: hot take. You know that's a hot take. Don't say 618 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: it's not chill. You know, like to try and be 619 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: like as both sides as possible. But yeah, I think 620 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: that shows you something when merely having a take that 621 00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:36,280 Speaker 1: is asserting someone's humanity is considered controversial, It's it's pretty 622 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: clear who's who's in the right and who's in the wrong, 623 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 1: because I think in general, we just we were. That's like, 624 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 1: I feel like one step that we need to arrive 625 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: at as a society is to be able to say 626 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: every single person on the planet is a human who 627 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: deserves dignity and respect, and we have to start from 628 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: a place where we can offer that to everyone and 629 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,920 Speaker 1: funk all the labels, and the part isn't like we 630 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: have to go to things like if you are a human, 631 00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,240 Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sorry to the bionic android people 632 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: out there who are who are robots, but if you're human, 633 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: that this is the dignity that you should be afforded. 634 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: And that's like slowly we're chipping away up, but we're 635 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 1: having to be specific, like, well, these people are human too, 636 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: and these people are human too, and these people are 637 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: human too. And we're seeing that there's a huge pushback 638 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,120 Speaker 1: from the from those who it's easier and more comfortable 639 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 1: for them to put these people in a category that 640 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Speaker 1: is not human or one where you don't have to 641 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 1: acknowledge their humanity, you know. And the crazy thing is 642 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: like a lot of Palestinians the movement and a lot 643 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: of like anti Zionist Jews who are calling for Hey, 644 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,200 Speaker 1: the solution is really simple, guys, one democratic state for 645 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: everybody who considers this their homeland. We all live together 646 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 1: and deal with each other and get over it. Like, 647 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: let's just all be a democracy and like all these 648 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: citizens and not have this ongoing occupation and build up 649 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: of hatred and enmity that's causing generations and generations of 650 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 1: trauma and violence. Like let's me, you know, like let's 651 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: meet in the middle and all be part of one 652 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: democratic state. And Israel's like that means the death of Israel. 653 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: You're like, so you're not a democracy, You're a theocracy. 654 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: It's because they're calling for a state for Jews. So 655 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,920 Speaker 1: if you're not a Jew, too bad. So sad, thank you, 656 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,720 Speaker 1: but no thanks. And so even you know, there's tons 657 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: of like foreign workers who live there who are like 658 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: Filipino or Sri Lankan and work in Israel and mary 659 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: Israeli's and they still don't have full citizen rights. There 660 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: are and this whole return as you mentioned, like if 661 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 1: in Israeli says, oh, yeah, my family had this land 662 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: that this guy's house is on, so I'm stealing this house, 663 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 1: that's allowed. But if a Palestinian who's an Israeli citizen says, hey, yeah, 664 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: I want to go back to my village that was 665 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: my house and I want to I want to take 666 00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,279 Speaker 1: it back, they don't have the same right. So it's 667 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,560 Speaker 1: not based on Israeli's who have the right to go 668 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,480 Speaker 1: back and take their land back. It's only Jews who 669 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: are Israeli's who have this right. Right, all right, let's 670 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back, and 671 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,240 Speaker 1: we're back. So I want to talk about this Washington 672 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: Post op ed that was making the point that I 673 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: guess there was a Pete Davidson joke in the season 674 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,680 Speaker 1: finale of SNL, where he made reference to the fact 675 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: that AIDS is still here. We just like, don't nobody's 676 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: gotten excited about it since the nineties. And I feel 677 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: like that's he was like, SNL is like AIDS, it's 678 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 1: still here, It's just nobody's gotten excited about it since 679 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,920 Speaker 1: the nineties. I think I think the it went on 680 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 1: to make points about it's I don't think it was 681 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: just using AIDS as like the punchline, but especially among 682 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: like black and brown people and drug users and poor people. 683 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 1: The way the story has crossed the headlines in the 684 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,319 Speaker 1: past twenty years has been all about how good the 685 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: new medication is and like all these medical advances, and 686 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: it's completely ignored the fact that it's still an extremely 687 00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: deadly and you know, widespread disease. That is, it's a 688 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 1: crisis that is just kind of gone away from the 689 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:40,359 Speaker 1: headlines because uh, there are effective treatments that are expensive 690 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: and unattainable for the poor. But they like we basically 691 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: were just like, well, that problem has been solved. And 692 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: in like sort of the central like hive mind version 693 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,280 Speaker 1: of the story, it just feels like once Magic Johnson 694 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: was able to continue living, we were just like, well 695 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,479 Speaker 1: that that's amazing, like congratulations to science. And the point 696 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: of the article, in addition to just pointing out that 697 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: like it's is still this massive crisis, is that like 698 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: they see a similar thing happening with COVID, right, Like COVID. 699 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: Now that the vaccine has been made easier to come 700 00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: by and what more and more people are getting the vaccine, 701 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: we're able to just like kind of mark the box 702 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: next to that problem like solved. And it's definitely not 703 00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:35,680 Speaker 1: for poor and especially poor Black Americans, because they're not 704 00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: giving equal access to education and healthcare. So the point 705 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: is basically like that this is how America and American 706 00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,279 Speaker 1: media likes to deal with these sorts of epidemics is 707 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,799 Speaker 1: like wait until there's a solution for the wealthy and 708 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,120 Speaker 1: then pretend like it's been solved. It's almost as if, yeah, 709 00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: it's the class of people are dictating what the news is, 710 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 1: so for them, it's like just more of a reflection 711 00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: of how they look at something like oh, thank god 712 00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: I got the vaccine. Okay, let's start let's start reporting 713 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,560 Speaker 1: about how we're going back to normal, because I we're 714 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: looking at it from our very narrow perspective of having 715 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,440 Speaker 1: access because I'm going back to normal, so right, I 716 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,160 Speaker 1: guess everybody else's. Yeah. Also, like, this article makes a 717 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: point that efforts to vaccinate incarcerated people like completely very 718 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 1: from state to state. Yeah, how is it possible that, 719 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,919 Speaker 1: like not all prisoners in US prisons have been given 720 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: the vaccine, yet we have like a surplus of vaccines, 721 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,680 Speaker 1: Like what the fuck? Yeah? Absolutely, that's what's so remarkable. 722 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,000 Speaker 1: It's like you actually control every aspect of these people's 723 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,960 Speaker 1: lives and you can't vaccinate them. What's what's going on? 724 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,279 Speaker 1: Who dropped the ball that? I mean? Yeah, it's just 725 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,280 Speaker 1: you know, part and parcel of you know, slow motion 726 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: way of killing a group of people by like by 727 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: like mass incarceration, and then on top of that, don't know, 728 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: we can worry about their healthcare at another time. Yeah, 729 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,600 Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's it just makes me even 730 00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: more cynical when it comes to looking at those kinds 731 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:15,279 Speaker 1: of things. Yeah. Absolutely, So that's just something that is 732 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 1: worth thinking about, as you know, just more up to 733 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: the moment. A newer development is that the delta variant 734 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,760 Speaker 1: of COVID nineteen is now in America, spreading widely and 735 00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: health officials are saying we should be going back to 736 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: wearing masks and doors, whether you're vaccinated or not. And 737 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,799 Speaker 1: it's this is more anecdotal, but it really feels to 738 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: me like people just have absolutely no tolerance for that 739 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,960 Speaker 1: idea of like, you know what, when the pandemic first hit, 740 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: there was this conversation about the hammer and the dance, 741 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,680 Speaker 1: like you would do like social distancing and closing down 742 00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: of society when like numbers got high, and then you 743 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: would slowly emerge back out, and then when numbers got 744 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,280 Speaker 1: high again, you would go back. And it just feels 745 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: like the central narrative has become well, now people are vaccinated, 746 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,640 Speaker 1: so we're never going back, like go fund yourself doctor. 747 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,640 Speaker 1: And I don't know. I was just saying before we 748 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: start recording, I was in a rouse yesterday and for 749 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: the first time there was no mask mandate and it 750 00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,160 Speaker 1: was basically me and old people wearing masks, Like I 751 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: don't know, And I don't think that's because everybody's like 752 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,800 Speaker 1: selfish and nihilistic and doesn't care if like Holp people 753 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 1: like normally you would be you would look at that 754 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: and be like, well, they clearly feel like they would 755 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: like me to be wearing a mask if they're wearing 756 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 1: a mask, so I will wear a mask. But I 757 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,879 Speaker 1: just feel like there's something that is like people are 758 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:59,680 Speaker 1: just spent, like the living in these trying times and energy. 759 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: It is just they're just like funk that I'm not 760 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 1: I'm not going back to those times. Yeah, but I 761 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,760 Speaker 1: think there's also a really intentional push from many different 762 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,439 Speaker 1: sides to create this air of normalcy again despite the 763 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: fact that we are still in the midst of a 764 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,720 Speaker 1: global pandemic. But because Americans have a very special skill, 765 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: which is called blinders to the fucking world that you 766 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: just take your cues and well the God, this place 767 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,600 Speaker 1: open back up and they're doing a sale and ship 768 00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,400 Speaker 1: I could get this the it's easy to start getting 769 00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,920 Speaker 1: this momentum back because a lot of these elements that 770 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,920 Speaker 1: were from the before times quote unquote are sort of 771 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: being put back in front of us, like that you 772 00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 1: can get together, that you can eat inside, that you 773 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: don't have to wear a mask, and yeah, it's it's 774 00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: it's unfortunate because on the other side of it, for 775 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,719 Speaker 1: like a lot of the things that are coming from 776 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 1: state governments and municipalities, it is sort of just like 777 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: suggesting even though they know what maybe right or not 778 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,120 Speaker 1: right in terms of you know, it's best for public health, 779 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,280 Speaker 1: and just like leaving it up to people. And unfortunately 780 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: that's I don't think enough people are really looking at 781 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,080 Speaker 1: it in a way thinking there's still things out there, 782 00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,600 Speaker 1: there's still variants out there. And I'm also in a 783 00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: state that might not even be vaccinated, and what does 784 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,880 Speaker 1: that mean? Absolutely, and Americans aren't known for our stamina, 785 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:26,359 Speaker 1: like we really have. We're not We're absolutely not used 786 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,720 Speaker 1: to living under duress or under I mean, certain segments 787 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,880 Speaker 1: of the population are, but for the most part, the 788 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: general American population, like, we haven't gone through a major war, 789 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,759 Speaker 1: we haven't had to do wartime efforts. We haven't you know, 790 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: been bombed or attacked, we haven't had a major crisis 791 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:46,080 Speaker 1: in our lifetimes, and so I feel like we're and 792 00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, there's also the rampant individualism and like don't 793 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,560 Speaker 1: tread on my rights, and so it's like that lethal 794 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:59,960 Speaker 1: combination of it's like arrogance and also like the exception 795 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,000 Speaker 1: was the absolutely thank you exceptional I haven't I haven't 796 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: had enough coffee this morning. It's like we think that 797 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: we're immune to doing what everybody else has to do, 798 00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,160 Speaker 1: and that we're gonna like triumph over this, you know, 799 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: as if it's something to triumph over. It's like, dude, 800 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: it's a virus. It is taking down a lot of 801 00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640 Speaker 1: the world. Millions of people died, and and at this 802 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,160 Speaker 1: point it's like other countries are closing back up. I 803 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,440 Speaker 1: just talked to people who are like, yeah, Australia's like 804 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: taking another hit again. People in London are taking another 805 00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,960 Speaker 1: hit again. People are going to masks indoors. And I 806 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: feel like there's also a push from small business and 807 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,600 Speaker 1: like because of the way that businesses were not supported, 808 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: individuals were not supported to survive during this time that 809 00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,520 Speaker 1: people are like, I need to go back to having 810 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,560 Speaker 1: a life and making a living and I can't go bankrupt. 811 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 1: So it's like it's like this weird combination of all 812 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: of these different forces that are putting us in a 813 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,960 Speaker 1: position where we like, I think we're above it, but 814 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:05,759 Speaker 1: we're also like, yo, you're not supporting us to withstand this. 815 00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: Like if we had actually closed down fully for a 816 00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: small amount of time in the beginning, I think things 817 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,399 Speaker 1: would be a little bit under control. But there's also 818 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:18,959 Speaker 1: the sense that don't you think other people are gonna 819 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,280 Speaker 1: fly in and bring it, Like, do we not understand 820 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,440 Speaker 1: that we're connected at this point in history to the 821 00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 1: rest of the world and that their problems are our problems? Yeah, 822 00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,719 Speaker 1: I don't know based on the policies you see, No, 823 00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,600 Speaker 1: like you really there is like this disconnect and how 824 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:42,080 Speaker 1: it all comes together and yeah, I it just it 825 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:46,880 Speaker 1: worries me for what happens if you know, there's another 826 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,960 Speaker 1: spike in cases that completely destabilized the country again, and 827 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 1: how people respond to hearing we're shutting back down, that 828 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: these industries that just started to begin to recover, saying oh, 829 00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: we gotta go back to the cataclysmic times and what 830 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: the government will do this time. Because yet, if if 831 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,600 Speaker 1: people felt supported and really had the idea it's like, no, 832 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,279 Speaker 1: we all have to do this for the benefit of 833 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: the country, and on top of that, will make sure 834 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,960 Speaker 1: nobody is pressed financially to ensure that we do what 835 00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:19,919 Speaker 1: the best thing is for the country, then maybe we'd 836 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,319 Speaker 1: have a different outcome. Yeah, it's hard to say at 837 00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,839 Speaker 1: this point, especially when a lot of governors tactics are 838 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 1: to cut the checks off from people who need them. 839 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,600 Speaker 1: Most Yeah, I don't see like I agree with you 840 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,760 Speaker 1: in terms of a surge. I don't think the people 841 00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,440 Speaker 1: I know are going back to wearing masks there, you know, 842 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,839 Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. And so it'll be really 843 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,840 Speaker 1: interesting to see how this plays out in the next 844 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: couple of years. I do think it will probably play out. 845 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: Hopefully this isn't the case, but the the way that 846 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: that described it, where you know, people with access to 847 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: the vaccine just feel safe, pretend it's not happening, and 848 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: then people and poor communities suffer the effects and the 849 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: deaths because it's just like yet another way in America 850 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: that like wealth, like you can be too poor to 851 00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: live in Americans and American culture is just like yeah, 852 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's what you signed up for. Essentially, 853 00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,400 Speaker 1: even though they wouldn't say that out loud, like that 854 00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,640 Speaker 1: is you know, what the do you expect from a 855 00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:30,279 Speaker 1: from a country and culture that accepts that health care 856 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: is not a universal right. It's like, yeah, that's gonna 857 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,000 Speaker 1: that's gonna come into play. One thing with vaccines that 858 00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: we're now confronting is that there's no international standard for 859 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:48,160 Speaker 1: what is or isn't an acceptable vaccine. We actually crossed 860 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:53,760 Speaker 1: this with that Bruce Springsteen performance where he basically opened 861 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:58,280 Speaker 1: back up his Broadway show to vaccinated audiences. But he 862 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,839 Speaker 1: at first was going to allow people who had been 863 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,280 Speaker 1: given the astro zenica vaccine to come to the show 864 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 1: because it wasn't like an FDA approved vaccine basically, and 865 00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: then people you know that it was like widely used 866 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,160 Speaker 1: in the UK and Canada, and they eventually relented. But 867 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: I mean that this health expert specifically says, as we 868 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:26,000 Speaker 1: roll into two, there's going to be just this mosaic 869 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 1: of different vaccine backgrounds that people have, and there's not 870 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,040 Speaker 1: going to be an a list, Like we have to 871 00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: figure this out and like nobody's nobody's really deciding right now, 872 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,440 Speaker 1: like okay, what vaccines COUNTA is being vaccinated? What don't, Like, 873 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,839 Speaker 1: how do we even monitor any of this ship It's 874 00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,960 Speaker 1: it's going to be and not just for Bruce Bringstein 875 00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,120 Speaker 1: shows stuff that people think is more important than that. 876 00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: We're just sitting on the technology and not sharing it, 877 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,920 Speaker 1: you know. And it's funny like we have there's all 878 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: these advocacies and like, well these these work pretty well, 879 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,120 Speaker 1: but we yet we can't get out of this cycle 880 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:05,520 Speaker 1: and being like, well, how do we got to make 881 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: money off of this? Still, you know, rather than what's 882 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,480 Speaker 1: the what's the you know, what's best for the entire planet? 883 00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:14,480 Speaker 1: And now we see it's really not like the developing 884 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: world and the you know, the first world, or you know, 885 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,880 Speaker 1: whatever problematic sort of delineations we had for different countries. 886 00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:25,000 Speaker 1: It now just looks like vaccinated and unvaccinated is like 887 00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,480 Speaker 1: the new uh sort of metric to determine where a 888 00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: country like sort of stands in the world. Yeah, and 889 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,880 Speaker 1: that's really just horrifying to think. Now it's like, well, yeah, 890 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: some some people can get it. Others maybe if they 891 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,719 Speaker 1: have enough you know, a political skill, can find a 892 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:46,839 Speaker 1: way to access these things. And there are absolutely counterfeit 893 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: vaccination cards out in the world in the wire so 894 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,080 Speaker 1: it's not it's not even a guarantee. It's like now 895 00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,919 Speaker 1: we're like having some sort of like hierarchy of vaccines, 896 00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 1: but we and now these people are actually even vaccinated. 897 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 1: So it's like I don't know how and and we 898 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,040 Speaker 1: don't know if we have to do a booster. We 899 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:12,040 Speaker 1: don't know the efficacy of this against different variants, like 900 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: it's the Wild West right now, honestly, and like I 901 00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,000 Speaker 1: remember my um my as cetition was like I'm not 902 00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:24,560 Speaker 1: seeing people unless they're vaccinated. And he basically told me 903 00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,359 Speaker 1: like he's gotten into these huge fights with like a 904 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,839 Speaker 1: ton of his clients who are like I'm not getting vaccinated. 905 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:35,399 Speaker 1: Like this is, you know, absolutely discriminatory. And so it's 906 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,880 Speaker 1: just like what businesses, what countries, what, who's going to 907 00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,480 Speaker 1: require what as we move forward, Like it's it's very 908 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of the wild West right now. We don't 909 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,960 Speaker 1: know where it's going or what it's going to look like, 910 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,759 Speaker 1: but it could get real ugly. Yeah. And you see 911 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,840 Speaker 1: people who especially like in l A, like the yoga 912 00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,799 Speaker 1: spiritual scene is like a hotbed for Q and on 913 00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy now and anti vaxx are hawk because it's always 914 00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:05,879 Speaker 1: just been this community of like magical thinking, um and 915 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: a lot of just sort of rejection of established science 916 00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: that now that's created like this, Yeah, you know Petrie 917 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,840 Speaker 1: dish for these other ideologies to sort of like ingrain themselves. 918 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: And you hear a lot of people who are who 919 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,840 Speaker 1: are like involved in like the wellness world in like 920 00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:25,200 Speaker 1: l A and things like that, and some people they're like, um, 921 00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:26,839 Speaker 1: some of the places I used to go have gone 922 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,080 Speaker 1: completely off the map um and are there they've just 923 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,200 Speaker 1: like it's really not about wellness anymore, like they're fully 924 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,280 Speaker 1: have been you know, crossed over, been red pilled um 925 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,799 Speaker 1: into like all these other conspiracy theories. So we see 926 00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,000 Speaker 1: how it can even in the way you look at like, well, 927 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,160 Speaker 1: the affluent people might not know it's like, well, no, 928 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: some of them are truly some of the strongest hold 929 00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: outs for this idea of like I need to exercise 930 00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: my body autonomy, but I don't want to apply that 931 00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,360 Speaker 1: for other people either, which is like the great irony 932 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,359 Speaker 1: I see over and over with a lot of conservatives, 933 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 1: a little anti scientific thinking goes a long way. Like you, 934 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,200 Speaker 1: I just it's so funny that you know, I've listened 935 00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,560 Speaker 1: to a couple early Joe Rogan podcasts, and you know 936 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:12,640 Speaker 1: he has like interesting things to say about like psychedelics 937 00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,920 Speaker 1: and like moon landing conspiracies and stuff like that, and 938 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:19,439 Speaker 1: then you know, cut to five years down the road 939 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't believe that I need the 940 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 1: vaccine because I didn't get sick, and like kids don't 941 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,799 Speaker 1: need It's just like that small toellhold can fucking send 942 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:35,400 Speaker 1: people down a really dark path. Yeah, that yoga world 943 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,360 Speaker 1: is super sketchy. It's like when white people started doing yoga, 944 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,760 Speaker 1: we knew it was all downhills in there. That's when 945 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,080 Speaker 1: they were like. But uh, it's interesting because I feel 946 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: like there's also all this widespread misinformation or or questions 947 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,239 Speaker 1: in this community of like there's this this thing going 948 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:56,239 Speaker 1: around that like the vaccine affects women's fertility. So I 949 00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 1: know all these like woo mystic white women who are like, 950 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm not doing it because I don't want it to 951 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,560 Speaker 1: if I'm not taking a vaccine because I don't want 952 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:05,680 Speaker 1: it to affect my fertility, And I'm like, is that 953 00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,000 Speaker 1: a thing like this Facebook group? I am? I'm in Yes, 954 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,040 Speaker 1: what's this Facebook group? I gotta get in it. I 955 00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,600 Speaker 1: think the thing that's probably affecting fertility more than anything 956 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,600 Speaker 1: is like the environmental ship that's making men's sperm count 957 00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: drop at a rapid pace, and nobody's investigating that too hard. 958 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,640 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, because nobody wants to be up in 959 00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,359 Speaker 1: your penis is They're just up in our vaginas, like 960 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:37,719 Speaker 1: that's where the problem is. It's just source of the problem. Um, yeah, 961 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,680 Speaker 1: not Surprisingly, there were protesters outside of the Bruce Springsteen 962 00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:45,160 Speaker 1: show claiming it was a form of segregation akin to 963 00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,399 Speaker 1: Jim Crow Nazi Germany. You guessed it. So oh, I 964 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:54,920 Speaker 1: love that. I love when they use that. The self 965 00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:59,759 Speaker 1: oppression narrative is like so fucking tired, like and it's 966 00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm always flabbergasted when I see, especially white people deploy 967 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,479 Speaker 1: this argument and with a straight face and think that 968 00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,919 Speaker 1: that's real, and it completely I think underscores the lack 969 00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:18,960 Speaker 1: of understanding of even like hegemony, you know, racism, all 970 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,840 Speaker 1: these other things that if you actually, if for as 971 00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,640 Speaker 1: smart as these people purport themselves to be, they have 972 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,440 Speaker 1: no idea about these concepts that are actually affecting the 973 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: world that they live in, and are just rather just 974 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: resort to these like really lame things like saying, I mean, 975 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: I'm just being discriminated against for a thing I decided 976 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 1: to do, rather than people who are discriminated on the 977 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,560 Speaker 1: basis of their race or ethnicity or religion and things 978 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,960 Speaker 1: like that. It's just okay, thank thank you. And this 979 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,360 Speaker 1: is why we're not we don't have progress at the 980 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,400 Speaker 1: rate that we need to because so many people don't 981 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,760 Speaker 1: even understand how how these power dynamics like interact with 982 00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: each other. Well, no word yet on whether Bruce Frankstein 983 00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,920 Speaker 1: is going to continue to make his podcast Barack Obama 984 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:09,920 Speaker 1: called Renegades Millionaire Renegades, millionaire old, fifty sixty something Renegades. 985 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: People are so delusional, like co opting these identities that 986 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,480 Speaker 1: have like nothing to do with the reality of where 987 00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: they stand in the world. Renegades actually the brand of 988 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,760 Speaker 1: ten thousand dollar leather jacket that they both own. That's 989 00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,959 Speaker 1: how they came up with the there'll be a whole 990 00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:39,520 Speaker 1: march line Renegade jackets. Jennifer, it's been so fun having 991 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:43,520 Speaker 1: you on Daily Zeitgeist. Where can people find you and 992 00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: follow you? Yeah, you can find me on all the 993 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,040 Speaker 1: socials at jen jaj. I have a link in my 994 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,840 Speaker 1: bio on all the socials as well, which is a 995 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,960 Speaker 1: Palastine resource guide I just threw up in the middle 996 00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:58,480 Speaker 1: of all this craziness. It's a it's a Google side. 997 00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,640 Speaker 1: It's not fancy, but it's got a ton of like information, infographics, 998 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,400 Speaker 1: short videos, primers for people who just want to know 999 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: the basics of what's happening on the ground. I also 1000 00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 1: will be posting upcoming shows. When the world continues to 1001 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,480 Speaker 1: open up, hopefully I'll be doing getting back on stage. 1002 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: So follow me on the socials and you'll find it 1003 00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,920 Speaker 1: all there nice. And is there a tweet or some 1004 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: of the work of social media you've been enjoying? You know, 1005 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,240 Speaker 1: I have to say I've been such a debby downer 1006 00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: the last month because everything I've been looking at is 1007 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:38,240 Speaker 1: like so much injustice and insanity. But I did start 1008 00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,760 Speaker 1: following this one site, but I call my timeline cleanse. 1009 00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:47,320 Speaker 1: It's called Aesthetics and it's just like really visually beautiful, 1010 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:51,520 Speaker 1: serene pictures of like the moon or the sea, and 1011 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,880 Speaker 1: like as much as I'm like, oh, I hate those sites, honestly, 1012 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,040 Speaker 1: I check it out every night because I'm just like, 1013 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,919 Speaker 1: I don't have time to meditate. But this is my twee. 1014 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is my thirty second tweet meditation. It's looking at 1015 01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: a beautiful picture of the moon to like let go 1016 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 1: of all the insanity of the world. Miles Where can 1017 01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: people find you? What's a tweet you've been enjoying? You 1018 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:20,320 Speaker 1: can find me on Twitter and Instagram at Miles of Gray. 1019 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 1: And you check out the other show for twenty Day 1020 01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: Fiancee were talking about ninety day fiance, you know, and 1021 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:29,160 Speaker 1: the like a tweet that I like, it's from Pat 1022 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 1: Bits Patrick Lucas Austin saying everyone wanted a hot girl 1023 01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 1: summer and Earth was like, oh word, I got something 1024 01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:40,800 Speaker 1: for your ass um Yeah, so it's it's yeah, just 1025 01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,240 Speaker 1: you know, let's take a day by day. Let's not 1026 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,720 Speaker 1: get too far in the future and just realize that 1027 01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: we still have work to do. You know, there's still 1028 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:50,360 Speaker 1: a lot to do on that subject. Not a wolf 1029 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:54,480 Speaker 1: at sick of wolves? Uh and their avatar? Is that 1030 01:00:54,720 --> 01:01:00,280 Speaker 1: account a wolf and a human suit? They tweeted. Sure, 1031 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,240 Speaker 1: the state I live in is experiencing historically dangerous wildfire conditions, 1032 01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: but at least there's not some sort of explosion centric 1033 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: holiday coming up. If you live in l A, you 1034 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:13,880 Speaker 1: know that that holiday has been ongoing and continues to 1035 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,000 Speaker 1: be ongoing. Yeah, Fourth of July every day and breaking 1036 01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,680 Speaker 1: Hollywood for the last two years. Yeah. Yeah, Like I said, 1037 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: fireworks season in l A starts Memorial Day and goes 1038 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,840 Speaker 1: all the way to the next Memorial Day. In that 1039 01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,200 Speaker 1: it never ends because you got man, I remember on 1040 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:37,480 Speaker 1: just every every day in June, I've been there's been 1041 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,720 Speaker 1: I've had fireworks in my neighborhood every day. And we're 1042 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,640 Speaker 1: in June. Okay, so you know what, shout out to 1043 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:47,439 Speaker 1: July because I mean and I and please, I'm sorry 1044 01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,880 Speaker 1: to those pets out there and those dogs because they 1045 01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,160 Speaker 1: get very, very frightened by that ship. Yeah, I want 1046 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,360 Speaker 1: to know who in their right mind is purchasing this 1047 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:02,160 Speaker 1: volume of fireworks set get off every night. Like I'm 1048 01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:05,760 Speaker 1: like the ones, the ones I hear they sound homemade, 1049 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 1: like they're just big booms. I'm like, I don't even 1050 01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,600 Speaker 1: see ship in the sky, Like I'm just hearing ship explode, 1051 01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:15,120 Speaker 1: like just setting off like M A D. S and stuff. 1052 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's everyone's got their own, you know, 1053 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,800 Speaker 1: firework kick. I guess they're taking their unemployment bonuses and 1054 01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: making their own fire right to make my own black powder, 1055 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,480 Speaker 1: and I'll get that. I have so much cash, I'm 1056 01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:35,040 Speaker 1: just gonna do a good underground in garage. I was 1057 01:02:35,080 --> 01:02:39,040 Speaker 1: puzzled about the appeal of fireworks until one time a 1058 01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:41,160 Speaker 1: friend came and visited me, and my friend John came 1059 01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,440 Speaker 1: out and visit me in Missouri where I was living 1060 01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:46,440 Speaker 1: with my wife when we first got married, and we 1061 01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 1: stopped at a firework barn on the way back from 1062 01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:54,000 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Airport. And but you know, like a 1063 01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 1: hundred dollars worth of fireworks, like really big ones and 1064 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,080 Speaker 1: like the really good ones are really are are real fun. 1065 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,240 Speaker 1: Not to not to encourage it, but it's uh, just 1066 01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:07,360 Speaker 1: the dumbest fun you can possibly have. You are not 1067 01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:12,040 Speaker 1: doing a service sense of Los Angeles. Yeah, my bad. 1068 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:18,160 Speaker 1: They're so cool though. Okay, now we know who's rotting 1069 01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: all these spiral It's like we're like where you left, Yeah, 1070 01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,760 Speaker 1: everywhere you do across of all the fireworks and it's 1071 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:32,920 Speaker 1: just like intersects over my house. Yeah. Also, Moona Meyer tweeted, 1072 01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,120 Speaker 1: finally comfortable enough with myself to admit that train did 1073 01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:40,880 Speaker 1: in fact snap with drops of Jupiter. I aspire to 1074 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:43,880 Speaker 1: one day be that comfortable with myself. You can find 1075 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Jack Underscore O'Brien. You can find 1076 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,200 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at Daily's That Guys. We're at the 1077 01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,120 Speaker 1: daily Ze Guys on Instagram, we have Facebook fan page 1078 01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,920 Speaker 1: on a website daily ze guys dot com, where we 1079 01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:58,200 Speaker 1: post our episodes on our foot note where we link 1080 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,000 Speaker 1: off to the information that we talked about in today 1081 01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: of episode as well as a song we think you 1082 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,280 Speaker 1: might enjoy and Miles, why don't you tell the people 1083 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:09,000 Speaker 1: what journey you are going to send them on. I'm 1084 01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,480 Speaker 1: sending you on a journey from four Tet artists that 1085 01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:15,160 Speaker 1: I enjoy a lot um And this track is called 1086 01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:19,240 Speaker 1: Teenage Bird Song. And the track feels like I always 1087 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,959 Speaker 1: try and give some people real descriptor for it. It's 1088 01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:25,560 Speaker 1: like loading screen music for like a PlayStation game, where 1089 01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:29,240 Speaker 1: it feels very like MIDI like flute sort of sounds, 1090 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,000 Speaker 1: but it's also got like really wonderful percussion behind it. 1091 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:35,240 Speaker 1: So it's like adulseph the familiar with a little bit 1092 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,720 Speaker 1: of you know, honey to put in your hips to 1093 01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,720 Speaker 1: get you. So this is Teenage Bird Song by Fourtet. 1094 01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: It's a great title, teenage bird Song for some reason. 1095 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:47,680 Speaker 1: Everything like that. Well, the Daily Zeitgeist is still a 1096 01:04:47,720 --> 01:04:50,040 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio from our podcast from my 1097 01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,439 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. You can't go visit the I Heart Radio app, 1098 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,840 Speaker 1: Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. 1099 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: And that's gonna do it for us this morning. We're 1100 01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,760 Speaker 1: back this afternoon to tell you it's trending and we 1101 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,400 Speaker 1: will talk to yards and bye bye bye