WEBVTT - One on One: Melina Delkic 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.760 I Am all In. 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:20.640 I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:23.320 Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In podcast one 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.840 on one interviews. We're going to speaking with Molina Delkicch. 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:30.400 Let me tell you a little bit about her. She 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:34.440 is a senior staff editor for Breaking News. She's worked 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:38.240 at The New York Times since twenty eighteen. Her roles 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:43.320 include newsletters, business desk, the newsroom, print hub, and contributing 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:48.760 to coverage of the coronavirus pandemic. She has written an 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.440 article on editorial that appeared in The New York Times 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:58.760 talking about Gidmore Girls. Fascinating article, Melina, what inspired you 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:00.600 to write it now? 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.480 Yeah, so I've always loved Gilmore Girls. Every once in 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.840 a while you get to write about something that you 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.400 really love and are interested in, and so this was 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:13.200 a fun one for me, and I thought it was 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.839 interesting that with viewership data that had been coming out, 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.040 it's still one of the most popular shows across streaming, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.720 both by Netflix's numbers and Nielsen, which is the ratings firm. 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.840 If listeners don't know that rates, you know TV and 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:32.920 movies and streaming popularity, and it's still one of by 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.679 far the most popular things that people like to watch, 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:38.160 and so with my own interest in it and that 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:41.560 I wanted to see why it's still so popular because it, 0:01:41.760 --> 0:01:44.319 as you know, officially wrapped in two thousand and seven, 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:47.960 besides a year in the Life reboot. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:50.200 And what conclusions did you draw? 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.520 Well, I think it was a mix of conclusions. I 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:58.000 think people love the show because it's feel good and 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.280 it makes you feel kind of and fuzzy and people, 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.920 you know, people I interviewed, like like Brenda Maybin, the 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.760 set costume designer who who said that, you know, people 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:14.560 like that there's no violence, there's no there's nothing that's unsolvable, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:16.960 and it's going to stress you out about watching it. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.480 It's comforting, but at the same time it is you know, deep, 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:25.760 there's deeply intertwined relationships, there's really interesting characters who are 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:30.239 multi layered and complex and and you know, so it's 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.320 it's that fun, fun, lightheartedness, but at the same time 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.440 it's there's there's some real depth there and some heart 0:02:37.520 --> 0:02:37.800 to it. 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.760 That family dynamic is very powerful, isn't it. Anybody can 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:48.079 relate to it the mother daughter tension. Yes, And well, 0:02:48.120 --> 0:02:51.600 as you said, the byline you are on your seventh 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:56.520 or eight time watching. Why have you watched so many times? 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.680 Why do you think people watch so many times? 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.800 That's a great question. So for me, I started watching 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.680 when I was in college actually, so, you know, similar 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.120 to a lot of people, after the show had concluded 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.640 it's run on TV, it was on Netflix and a 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:13.480 friend of mine said, you know, you have to watch this, 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.040 You're going to love it. And after that first time, 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:18.040 I was kind of hooked, and I was like, I 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:20.200 want to see it again. I feel like I missed something. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.079 I you know, I want to when when things are stressful, 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.880 I want to have it on in the background, or 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.040 you know, just rewatch and find things I missed last time. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:32.239 And I think for for people, I think even though 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.760 I put that I've rewatched it seven or eight times, 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:38.200 I think that's actually low for the Gilmore Girls audience. 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:41.920 I've found people have left comments on the article on 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.400 social media and on the article page itself, and my 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:47.560 friends have reached out that there's way higher numbers. People 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:51.000 are watching it dozens of times, and I think it's 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.600 you know, I think it's because it's it's that comfort. 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.400 It's there's also even a psychological aspect to it. I 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:01.400 talked to a clinical psychologist that rewatching a show you 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:03.400 love that makes you feel good and you know how 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:06.720 it's going to end, it makes it can actually, you know, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.840 improve your mood. It can it can help you when 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.760 you're feeling lonely or or you know, any any tough 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:17.200 feelings in a stressful time. It can actually help those feelings. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:17.000 You know. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.719 I also think it it contributes to keeping high culture. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.840 I think it's so smart that and I think that's 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.960 one of the primary reasons people rewatch it so often, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:32.320 because there it's so fast, that fast paced dialogue, and 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:38.000 there's so many obscure and arcane cultural references that people 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:41.560 don't get them right away. They get some, and I 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:43.720 get some, and then I go back and I, boy, 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:46.680 you know, say to myself, Amy and Dan are very 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:51.000 well read, and you know they're they're plucking these references 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:55.640 out of everything that they love and read. And I 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:59.440 think it's comforting to have something of quality that is 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.280 keeping the culture or trying to set a bar higher 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.719 and not talking down to an audience, not dumbing a 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.600 show down for an audience. I think it really elevates 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.240 people and it gives people a lot of hope in 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.840 that sense that at least there's something on television that 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:21.680 doesn't insult me. Yeah, and insult my intelligence. It's it's 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.840 demanding me to keep up, and people love that challenge. 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:26.600 I totally agree. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:32.080 Well, you're also rewatching, as you said, it could be 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:36.680 a healthy coping mechanism. Mechanisms life gets stressful. When do 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:39.760 you tune in to watch this show? Is it in 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.599 you stressful times or just any time? Do you have 0:05:42.680 --> 0:05:44.680 it on in the background all of the time. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.159 That's a great question. I think I've found that I 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:51.880 gravitate toward Gilmore Girls in the fall, which a lot 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:54.640 of people I talked to for this article said the 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:59.520 same basically, And the viewership data supports that that it's 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.640 the viewer is a little bit higher in the fall 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.279 and winter months because it is kind of that cozy 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.560 you want to go to Luke Steiner and get your 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.920 coffee and like all the fun sweaters that are in 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.160 the in the you know, costuming of the show and 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.719 the festivals and the so it makes you feel like 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.000 fall and winter and these cozy vibes. So I find 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.360 myself watching it in those times here in New York. 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.840 It gets gloomy sometimes in the winter, and I find 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.200 it really cozy and helpful, but also definitely, you know, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:33.360 in stressful times or if I'm in a in a 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:37.560 new place, you know, traveling for work or something, it's 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.880 it's kind of comforting. I will turn to it in 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:42.159 those times and have it on, like, Okay, this is 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.520 something I know and something I feel good watching. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:49.880 Yeah, it's almost as if you are able to instead 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.960 of picking up a classic novel that you love, you 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:55.160 can just turn that on and you're going to get 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.600 the same kind of almost the same kind of quality. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.320 You don't feel like you're watching TV. You don't feel 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.520 like you're wasting your time or it's just dead time. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.360 You know, it's like I'm learning something here, and this 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:11.280 is this is wholly engaging. So you talked about the 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.520 first time you watched it was in college. Where'd you 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:14.280 go to college? 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.040 I went to Georgetown in DC. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.120 Oh you went to Georgetown. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:17.560 Oh? 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.080 My, one of my best buddies went to Georgetown. I 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:21.920 grew Paul. He was just over here the other day 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.640 telling me Georgetown stories. By the way, And so you 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.560 were in college, do you remember the moment you watched it? 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.200 Describe the day. Do you remember the vivid detail about 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:33.440 the first time you discovered it. 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.200 I do remember. I remember my friend Maddie and I 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.720 texted her when I was published this article to say, 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:45.880 thanks for turning me on to this wonderful show. And 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:50.880 I was I was staying on campus over the summer working. Basically, 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:52.720 you could work at campus job and it'd give you 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:54.800 free housing in DC for the summer, so it was 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.760 it was a pretty sweet deal. And I had some 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:01.040 downtime between these jobs I was working, and I would 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.760 put it on and campus is a little quieter in 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:07.440 the summer, you know, not the kids aren't there. And 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:11.080 I remember putting it on and just getting so quickly 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:14.920 wrapped up in all of the character's stories and in 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:19.520 the beautiful relationship between Rory and Laura l I and 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.800 and the fun you know references, and I remember like 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.960 I would like pause it sometimes and be like, wait, 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.000 what is that like that reference that they just said, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.080 I need to go look it up? And yeah, and 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.160 I remember, and you know, I'm a journalist, so there's 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:38.880 obviously it was a fun kind of parallel that I 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.040 saw someone trying to start a journalism career or a 0:08:42.080 --> 0:08:44.920 young a young woman trying to go into that world, 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.880 and I was going into that too, So it's fun 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.160 to relate to someone on screen. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.960 Shaw, Yeah, perfect for you, Absolutely right in your whalehouse. 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.360 Yeah. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.840 Well, yeah, as you said, Rory is an aspiring journalist, 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.160 so you obviously connected with her character the most. To 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:01.480 she your favorite character. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.600 That's such a tough question. It's oh, man, I love 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:09.880 all of the characters so much at this point, and 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.040 I don't. I do feel like at the beginning I 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.559 really related to her and probably was drawn to watching 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:19.920 because of her character and Laura I, but I really 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.760 love all that. Recently I've been I was talking to 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.720 a friend the other day about how I really love 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:28.640 Paris Galer's character. And I know that the first time 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:32.920 you watch it as a you know, as a new viewer, 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:35.719 you're kind of like you might be turned off by 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.760 some of the things that she says. She's kind of 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:40.160 you know, it can be it can be abrasive as 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.480 a character, but then then you just kind of, I think, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.800 rewatching it can kind of fall in love with her 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:48.640 at moments where she just she just says the funniest 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:52.720 thing ever. And but I mean, but yeah, I just 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:55.240 love I mean, everybody in the town of Stars hollow 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.439 just so great. 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.680 Yeah, that was my initial reaction because it's the whole 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:01.800 point of podcast. I'd never watched the show, so I 0:10:01.840 --> 0:10:04.920 didn't really know the show. And yeah, I would talk 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:09.199 about the need for Paris to have intensive therapy and 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:14.240 to not be in the mainstream. But she has grown 0:10:14.280 --> 0:10:16.080 on me. There have been a lot of moments where 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:18.240 I just you know, throw my head back and laugh. Yeah, 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.400 and she's quite endearing at times, so it's a playing 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:36.200 those extremes. Do you have and I cautioned to ask 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:39.520 you this, and you don't have to be honest, do 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.400 you have any career parallels to her storyline? Paris Is storyline? 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:52.840 Oh to Paris. Yeah, well Paris, I you know, that's 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.560 that's a hard one because I mean she was in 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.680 a different career path. She ended up being like what 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:04.280 like a combination lawyer doctor or something, which which was like, oh, 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.640 of course, you know, Paris Scholler went down that path. 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:12.040 But I don't know. I you know, I do feel 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.959 like there's there's a little bit of that that Paris 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.960 ambition or spark in a lot of people, but most 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.560 of us don't push that hard as her character. Did 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.880 you know? But but yeah, I can't say I quite 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.920 approach situations the way she does. 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:31.600 Well, that's probably a good thing. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:36.920 When did you know that you wanted to be a journalist? 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.880 It took some time of figuring it out and trying 0:11:41.880 --> 0:11:44.600 a lot of different paths. I think I probably stressed 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:47.400 out my parents in college because I can't. I switched 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.880 my major like four times, and it was you know, 0:11:51.000 --> 0:11:56.000 trying out econ, trying out different languages. But I always 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.959 in the background had that love of writing and also 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:03.160 was just always the news and slowly realizing that instead 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.960 of you know, being involved in it. As a school 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:10.120 in DC, a lot of people want to get involved 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.160 in the government, politics, things like that, and I just 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.160 kind of kept thinking, I don't want to be in it. 0:12:17.240 --> 0:12:19.840 I want to be like observing it and you know, 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:25.080 helping helping write kind of the historical you know, record 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:28.320 about this stuff. And so that's how I made my way. 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:31.760 But it took a lot of small decisions and figuring 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.000 out what I what I needed. 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.320 And boy, I tell you Washington, Yeah, the time to 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:42.600 be a journalist. Yeah, and we won't open up that 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:43.320 can of worms. 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.560 But yeah, to be fair, now, I don't really deal 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.840 with any politics or government news in my job. 0:12:50.040 --> 0:12:55.800 Probably healthiest. So The New York Times plays a big part. 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.839 In season seven, Rory turns down a job with a 0:12:59.880 --> 0:13:05.319 new newspaper in Providence, wrote on because she's holding on 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:09.119 to well, she's holding out for the rest and fellowship 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:13.320 at the New York Times. What'd you think of this decision? 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:17.520 I was so with her in that season. I remember 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:23.160 just feeling the pressure the uncertainty of that, especially watching 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:27.520 it in college and in the years right after college, 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.480 because it is so I think with any career, it's 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:33.160 kind of you have these moments where the timing doesn't 0:13:33.160 --> 0:13:34.600 work out the way you want it to. You don't 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:37.360 get to find out everything you need to find out. 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.400 You might have a job offer, but one that you 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:42.120 you know, and there's a deadline for it, but one 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.800 that you want more. And so I felt I felt 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:51.040 like it was a very very thoughtful and good representation 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.880 of what that's like as a young journalist. I think, 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.400 you know, I think she obviously like that. It was 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.480 a difficult time for her character. I remember she ended 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:06.360 up then not getting the New York Times fellowship, right, 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.640 If I'm remembering correctly that she had turned basically was 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.800 out of a job with both of those, but then 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.280 she ended up finding something else, and I don't remember 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.360 if it was right after that, but she ended up 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:22.840 going to work for an upstart publication of some sort 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:27.760 covering the election campaign. And I thought that was kind 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.440 of you know, I thought I related to that, because 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:35.880 sometimes it seems like nothing is working out, and you know, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.520 you don't know like where your path is going to lead, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.520 and even though it's early in your career, you have 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:44.240 these moments of struggle and the timing is just not 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:47.840 working out. But then something does work out, and it's 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.080 kind of it seemed like it was sort of a 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:53.320 great fit for her as an ending of that show, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.640 and it seemed like it ended on a really hopeful 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:59.800 note where she was going to go travel and right 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.000 for this new publication and her work was going to 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:04.800 be valued, and so I think she ended up making 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:05.880 the right call for herself. 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:09.080 And you're talking about the end of season seven or 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:10.200 the Netflix. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:14.280 Episodes the end of season Steven, Okay, am I confusing that? 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:17.520 I remember there was a she I thought at the 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.240 end of the show that she went to go work 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:23.920 for like the kind of upstart digital publication to cover 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.440 the election. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:32.880 Okay, so let's talk about the Netflix episodes a little bit. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.720 As regards Rory, were you disappointed that her journalism career 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.880 didn't pan out. Did you think it was realistic when 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:40.960 she was showing so much promise? 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.160 You know, I was. I think the first time I 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:49.160 watched that, I was a little disappointed in that we 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.640 had been with Rory and watched her be so ambitious 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:56.200 and so in such a go getter, and I had 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.080 dreamed of this her whole life. There's that moment with 0:15:59.160 --> 0:16:02.880 Christian I'm on poor and then she kind of it 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:05.760 didn't take off, maybe the way I would have predicted 0:16:05.880 --> 0:16:08.000 when I was, you know, twenty two, and I'm like, oh, 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:11.280 I want this for Rory. But I think it's realistic 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.880 in that a lot of people kind of you know, 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:19.280 don't have a constant, full time gig in this industry 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:23.120 and a lot of industries. So I think, you know, 0:16:23.200 --> 0:16:27.040 she was freelancing for The New Yorker and and she 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:30.120 was doing some really great work, but it's it's kind 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:35.320 of representative of the sort of you know, sometimes unusual 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:39.120 schedules and gigs that journalists can have. 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:48.240 Give us your opinion on how the show portrayed journalism itself. 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:53.520 I remember in the A Year in the Life, there 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:57.000 was a moment where where Rory got a little too 0:16:57.040 --> 0:16:59.880 close to a source. I think I'm remembering that correctly 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.520 and that that is not uh, that that's that's not 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.720 a super accurate portrayal of something that would be permissible 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.040 in a in a news job. But I remember the 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:14.760 rest of it feeling pretty accurate. That her her role 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.840 is like an intern in the newsroom that that Logan 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:22.840 Logan's dad owned, where she's just running around trying to 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:25.719 do everything she can and and trying to get noticed 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.200 a little bit that that seemed very accurate. And also 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.119 her writing for the paper, and I remember these moments 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.919 of her trying to stand out while not not you know, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.480 insulting people around campus with her with her work and 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:43.919 finding that difficult balance of you know, trying not to 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.840 be a jerk but being really like accurate and honest. 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.680 I felt like there there were a lot of these 0:17:49.720 --> 0:17:54.320 like kind of the early sometimes you know, things that 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.160 you have to really think through in a journalism career. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.600 Were are there any without naming names, are there any 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.760 minsh of hunts Burgers at the New York Times. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.120 No, no, fortunately, not. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:13.520 Have you ever encountered a personality like that? And in 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:18.639 your years of being a journalist, Oh. 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.880 Yeah, I think as a young as a young woman journalist, 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:25.760 you definitely come across I mean, anyone, as a young 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:30.600 journalist in your career, you come across personalities that are 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:34.480 you know that everybody has that moment where someone tells 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:37.800 them you're not going to make it, You're not good enough, 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:41.680 You're you know X and Y. And I definitely had 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.600 that when I was in college. And yeah, and I actually, 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:48.480 you know, I feel like I hear a lot of 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:52.560 these types of stories that people have in different careers, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.320 but also in journalism. And maybe it's just because it's 0:18:56.320 --> 0:19:01.840 so competitive at times that but you know, hopefully you 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.520 you learn from it, but you don't take it too seriously. 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.680 And I think that's I remember that's what Rory did. 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.679 That she kind of she went back to journalism and 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:10.560 went back to Yale. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:13.200 Mm hmm. What does the show mean to you? 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.760 It's a it's a big answer. It's I really love 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:22.080 the show. It's it's just one of those things that 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.400 I'm like, how is this so good? It's I could 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.080 rewatch it ten more times and I probably will over 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.040 the course of you know, however many years that takes. 0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:38.680 And it's it's just, you know, supported me in difficult times. 0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:43.359 It's made me laugh, it's you know, comforting, and I 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:45.439 love it and I love how much it means to 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:46.560 so many other people too. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:50.120 Yeah, it is quite a phenomenon. 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:50.679 Uh. 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:57.439 It really has become this, uh, this iconic piece of 0:19:57.560 --> 0:20:01.040 art that that that is woven into the fabric of 0:20:01.080 --> 0:20:05.280 this country. And it's I don't know, it's sort of 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:09.719 taken a place in in in entertainment culture that is 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:16.560 completely unexpected and something I don't think anybody so common, right, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:18.439 I mean, how do you how do you predict this? 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:30.359 It's uh, it's quite extraordinary. We're going to play a 0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.320 little game right now called rapid Fire. Okay, right, uh huh. 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.040 And you don't have to we don't have to be 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.440 fast with us. It doesn't have to be rapid. How 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:40.880 do you like your coffee? 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:42.119 Black? 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:44.840 Are your Team Logan, Team Jess or Team Dean? 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.040 Oh? So hard? I when I was younger, I was 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:52.080 Team Logan because I thought that's where Rory is going 0:20:52.280 --> 0:20:56.280 and she she you know, needs someone who who respects 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.520 her intellect and her career. But now I'm like, you know, 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:03.680 who's of a jerk sometimes? So maybe I'm maybe I'm 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:05.040 a little bit team just now. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.880 I'm kind of with you on that. You know, I 0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:12.320 was riding the logan wave pretty for a couple of seasons, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.680 but now I think I'm getting back on the jet thing. 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:18.400 I love how it changes for you too. 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:22.000 Yeah, I know it does, because but that's you know, 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.840 a testament to the writing, isn't it. You know, ye 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:30.080 can flip the fans like that, who's your favorite Gilmore 0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.200 Girls couple, Luke and Laurele I or Emily. 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:37.640 And Richard Luke and Laurel I for sure. I think 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.720 I wrote in my email responding to your team, like 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.840 I was team Luke all the way in the in 0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.280 the show. And I recently learned that I didn't even 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:50.440 think there was a debate on Laurel I's other romantic partners. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.639 But I was like, no, it's it's Laurea I and Luke. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:57.680 Right, I I was. I was always uh dumbfounded that 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:00.200 there was even a debate about it. And you know, 0:22:00.240 --> 0:22:02.600 I think the network, as a marketing tool tried to 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:08.600 engage the base with well, let's you know, let's make 0:22:08.640 --> 0:22:12.639 another like is, let's make another contest out of it. 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:18.440 Would you rather work with Michelle or Kirk oh Man? 0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.000 I love them both, and Kirk is just everywhere, but 0:22:23.080 --> 0:22:25.439 he's kind of a goof, So maybe I would have 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:28.440 to say Michelle for the for the competency factor. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:32.919 What would you order at Luke's Diner? 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:37.000 Oh my gosh, if you know, if I only could, 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:41.399 I would get a black coffee in one of the 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:47.399 giant mugs. I would have waffles, waffles, syrup, the whole 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:51.240 the whole thing. And then it, depending on the time 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.320 of day. If it's later in the day, We're going burger. Absolutely. 0:22:55.000 --> 0:22:55.159 You know. 0:22:55.320 --> 0:22:59.520 I want to ask you about this, what if there 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.280 were a chain of Luke's Diners? Would you go? 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:04.320 Oh, one hundred percent? 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.240 Do you think people would go? Do you think that's 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:07.200 a good idea? 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:11.639 I think that's a great idea. We're always going to 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:14.720 diners here in New York. You know, when you really 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:18.680 get a craving for like good food, that's not that's 0:23:18.720 --> 0:23:22.600