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Speaker 5: Uh yeah, you're talking about uh yeah, Brett he's playing
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Speaker 5: I know it's some dudes from Seattle for sure. You
Speaker 5: know that because I know, uh, Jamal Carver from Seattle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Who else from Seattle?
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Speaker 5: Seattle for sure.
Speaker 1: From the NBA, Bradley Beal from Tacoma. Oh, Brady to
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Speaker 6: What saying? How many sports players come from up there?
Speaker 1: Man, they got mc breed, I mean know, they got
Speaker 1: to mix a lot. Well, yeah, it's about sports. He
Speaker 1: was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,
Speaker 1: He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.
Speaker 6: Seattle, Yeah, from Seattle.
Speaker 5: Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the
Speaker 5: best hooper from Seattle. Nah, who better than Brandon Roy?
Speaker 7: Nate Robinson Robinson saying better than I'm not saying better
Speaker 7: than Brandon Roy though, Nate Robinson Trump, Nate Robinson isn't
Speaker 7: he from up there?
Speaker 1: He's not better than Brandon Roy.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he
Speaker 1: got in jured? Nice?
Speaker 6: Crazy?
Speaker 7: What's good? Joah, what's happening? No, I'm not trying cooland
Speaker 7: man and ready for the ready for the ready.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You
Speaker 1: feel me?
Speaker 3: And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,
Speaker 3: so I figured like you might as well expound on
Speaker 3: it because we wasn't even really tripping off of the
Speaker 3: conversation of R and B, but it spawned a whole
Speaker 3: other conversation where somebody did the Mount Rushmore. I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: didn't really work.
Speaker 6: Great.
Speaker 1: What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to do the Mount Rushmore. How'll we
Speaker 1: double him back.
Speaker 3: Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation
Speaker 3: because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.
Speaker 5: Because I want to ask you about that, because when
Speaker 5: people ask me about this shit, they was like, so,
Speaker 5: what what's the crack here for R and B? And
Speaker 5: what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know
Speaker 5: you say he's pop, but he.
Speaker 1: Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R
Speaker 1: and B songs in the earlier stages of his career.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if I would say that because
Speaker 1: Jackson five is pop? How do we categorize pop though
Speaker 1: that's not what we do.
Speaker 3: You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay?
Speaker 3: So R and B initially was considered race music, right,
Speaker 3: That's what they called it race music because at one
Speaker 3: time black people were considered people of race, right, and
Speaker 3: white people con themselves of race just them and it
Speaker 3: is everybody else but in us, right, So that like
Speaker 3: when Wexler made the term R and B, you feel me,
Speaker 3: that was a term coin So it was considered black
Speaker 3: music R and B. So anybody black making music, I
Speaker 3: guess some degree you could say that that's some level
Speaker 3: of R and B, like funk would have to be
Speaker 3: a descendant of R and B.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand what R and B means,
Speaker 1: So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?
Speaker 3: Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being
Speaker 3: one of the early founders of it, right, this is
Speaker 3: in the forties, but it went through different stages right
Speaker 3: in sub genres. Right, so is a derivative of R
Speaker 3: and B. So I guess it all is. But pop
Speaker 3: music probably could be a derivative of soul, right. Ray
Speaker 3: Charles is probably the father of modern modern pop music.
Speaker 3: But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music
Speaker 3: is black music that white people.
Speaker 8: Make almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And
Speaker 8: I think that's just so so when you don't make music,
Speaker 8: that's how it feels.
Speaker 3: It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some
Speaker 3: music was actually created to be popular for the mast
Speaker 3: from the beginning, like.
Speaker 4: For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky fried chicken was
Speaker 3: like soul food for everybody. But I do think Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider
Speaker 3: that part of his catalog to be like one of
Speaker 3: the greatest R and B catalogs of all time.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question, what at.
Speaker 5: A certain point in his career, what was what could
Speaker 5: be considered R and B after because everything he's don't
Speaker 5: put out was popular music everything.
Speaker 1: No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's
Speaker 1: R and B. That's a new.
Speaker 6: RBN.
Speaker 3: But songs like Thriller, that's kind of pop, right, it's
Speaker 3: a it's a play beat.
Speaker 1: It so is Lady of My Life?
Speaker 6: What is what is Lady of My Life?
Speaker 1: Lady my Life?
Speaker 9: Is r B?
Speaker 1: For sure?
Speaker 3: Yeah, lady that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 3: r B like he does have. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived
Speaker 3: from funk? Is that the closest connection you could because you.
Speaker 1: Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?
Speaker 3: Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and
Speaker 3: B the rib from So No, R and B is
Speaker 3: the father of soul. R and B is before, So
Speaker 3: R and B is before. R and B is the
Speaker 3: father of so what.
Speaker 1: Would you consider uh uh, little Richard.
Speaker 10: See, I would have thought he was rock and roll, rock,
Speaker 10: rock rock. Little Richard is rock because.
Speaker 7: Rock rock was rock was like like we we think
Speaker 7: of rock as being the.
Speaker 6: Rock wasn't have to do it. It was a groove
Speaker 6: was growing.
Speaker 3: All of these things are really small, nuanced things that
Speaker 3: make it different. But I just wouldn't have thought of
Speaker 3: Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,
Speaker 3: that's not the right time, because he's a great R
Speaker 3: and B when he has R.
Speaker 1: And B songs.
Speaker 3: But it's so many dope ass people that have a
Speaker 3: bigger and better R and B catalog of music than
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: It's not not so many neither that was off the
Speaker 1: wall was off the wall R and B album Now
Speaker 1: it's post disco like disco. It did R and B songs.
Speaker 3: So but there are talents, right, And that's why we
Speaker 3: gotta really look at the eighties and the nineties. I
Speaker 3: respect why even that dude's list had that era, because
Speaker 3: really R and B didn't become R and B the
Speaker 3: way we know it as far as really pure R
Speaker 3: and B until the late eighties.
Speaker 1: I wonder who would they say, put out the first
Speaker 1: R and B album, It's gonna be somebody in the forties,
Speaker 1: like Louis Jordan is talking about, Like, Okay, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about the eighties.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 1: In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming
Speaker 1: to the R and B we think of.
Speaker 3: Now they consider the first R and B superstar Bobby Brown,
Speaker 3: don't be cruel.
Speaker 1: That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst
Speaker 1: people I talked to that fuck with R and B
Speaker 1: and he still had rhythm and blues feel to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is shout out to New York Hallum. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Teddy Riley mm hmm. That's why
Speaker 3: I put so much emphasis probably on That's why I
Speaker 3: put so much emphasis probably on like, uh, the Key
Speaker 3: Sweat Record, the Key Sweat Album.
Speaker 10: Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 1: It's like see.
Speaker 3: So while my favorite R and B album is probably
Speaker 3: like like, uh Unpredictable by Jamie Fox, I think the greatest.
Speaker 6: That is so crazy.
Speaker 5: Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that.
Speaker 1: When he told me that too.
Speaker 3: And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't
Speaker 3: have to be the artist like, it's not. Jamie Fox
Speaker 3: is more than a qualified artist and sing really well,
Speaker 3: he can execute well. He's not bad. He's like a
Speaker 3: top tier talent. But that album just is my favorite,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't argue it for being the greatest. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying it's one of the GUFA. I'm telling you
Speaker 3: what y'all think. This is objective, right, and it's my
Speaker 3: favorite in the jam that's not that's a great album.
Speaker 1: This is.
Speaker 3: It goes to that conversation where like when we say,
Speaker 3: what's the better album bad or Bad or make it
Speaker 3: last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is
Speaker 3: a better album than Make It Last fact it is.
Speaker 3: Right now that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.
Speaker 3: It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist
Speaker 3: than Michael Jackson or a greater artist or a better artist.
Speaker 5: But it just means, like how you put it up
Speaker 5: for TC, put a number on Bad as a as
Speaker 5: a as.
Speaker 10: A record as the bad single is whack. Okay, so
Speaker 10: the single bad is whack or it's not bad bad,
Speaker 10: it is horrible, But I cannot.
Speaker 7: They shot that video inside of a new York City train.
Speaker 7: My mother work that my mother worked the train clerk that.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying that.
Speaker 5: I can't believe I'm saying this, But I grew with
Speaker 5: glasses man. But that was not good.
Speaker 1: That is whack.
Speaker 3: The single was wack speed I agree to I don't
Speaker 3: like that song like that demon is whack.
Speaker 1: I disagree, you know, I just so it was great
Speaker 1: when I was a little kid.
Speaker 3: When I was a little kid and and that movie
Speaker 3: came out and he was racing against that little animated rabbit.
Speaker 3: That was like the greatest thing in the world to me.
Speaker 3: But as I get older and I'm listening, what what
Speaker 3: the fuck is this.
Speaker 6: Tripping boss?
Speaker 1: Boss?
Speaker 6: They tripping boss?
Speaker 7: I knew.
Speaker 1: I knew that video was like as a kid, like
Speaker 1: the video.
Speaker 5: Was amazing, them getting together and circling each other and
Speaker 5: snapping their fingers.
Speaker 6: No, no, I.
Speaker 10: Got you know New York City Train shut the train
Speaker 10: station down. Had had had some of the best dances
Speaker 10: in the video, like got Crazy Dan was an amazing video.
Speaker 5: Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,
Speaker 5: you understand that, Yeah, I say, maybe, what is it
Speaker 5: to understand?
Speaker 1: I didn't get it? I didn't get it.
Speaker 10: Hold on, when you you telling me when you came
Speaker 10: to New York you're on the train, didn't think first
Speaker 10: thing he thought it was the Bad Hell No, I
Speaker 10: had to think about before I thought. I never until
Speaker 10: you just said that, I was like, oh man, I
Speaker 10: never even thought that.
Speaker 6: That was That was J Street bro or train station
Speaker 6: in New York.
Speaker 3: No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.
Speaker 3: I would have never in my life thought of Bad.
Speaker 6: That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.
Speaker 1: Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.
Speaker 3: I think Make It Last for Ever is a better
Speaker 3: album and a more important album than Bad, and.
Speaker 10: A better album period just music, sheer music. I agree
Speaker 10: with you, but again, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that ain't to say, but Make It Last Ever
Speaker 3: is probably one of the greatest R and B albums ever, right,
Speaker 3: I mean it launched the genre and launched the movement.
Speaker 1: It launched a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he
Speaker 3: went and got the producer of Maga Last Ever to do.
Speaker 1: His next album. So Michael Jackson agreed with me.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the lunch table that think I'm not
Speaker 3: being fair but Michael Jackson agreed. He was like, I'm
Speaker 3: not messing with Quincy no more. I'm going to Teddy Riley.
Speaker 1: That's a fact.
Speaker 11: He was good for that.
Speaker 1: That's not a glasses fact. That's a fact. He did
Speaker 1: that so that he saw that Keith Sweat, he saw
Speaker 1: that Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm going to get one of them.
Speaker 3: What we was doing is a thing of the past.
Speaker 1: Let's go do this.
Speaker 3: That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last
Speaker 3: Ever came out close to each other. He saw Bad
Speaker 3: whooping his ass. Black people wasn't fucking with Bad. He
Speaker 3: saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan
Speaker 3: Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this
Speaker 3: for years people. The fact that people even marking Crazy.
Speaker 3: I don't think you as a song the album.
Speaker 6: It's an album.
Speaker 11: Oh no, I'm not rolling.
Speaker 1: As he check out now you're saying the song for
Speaker 1: two years about this man and girl, it's better than
Speaker 1: any song gonna make It Last Forever. I'm not rolling,
Speaker 1: not Bery and Girl.
Speaker 10: Nigga's a volunten song of the album.
Speaker 1: I Want Her. It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I have to agree. That I want her. It's better
Speaker 1: than every last song.
Speaker 6: On Bad Bad.
Speaker 1: That's overrated guys very much.
Speaker 7: So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best
Speaker 7: R and B album of all time? No, not Bad
Speaker 7: Bad Bad. I mean, I mean make a last feather.
Speaker 10: No, that's that's his Confession A better Confessions.
Speaker 6: I forgot? Is it better Confessions?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.
Speaker 3: But I prefer Unpredictable over Confessions. Even though Confessions is
Speaker 3: a greater album.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's obvious that album.
Speaker 1: But you know again we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall
Speaker 5: a better album than Thriller, But I think Thriller is
Speaker 5: the greater album.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant
Speaker 1: to find greatness.
Speaker 11: I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 6: No.
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Speaker 3: I think R Kelly and Us should really have a
Speaker 3: claim to be on there.
Speaker 1: They really do.
Speaker 3: Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like
Speaker 3: that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate
Speaker 3: someone saying that R.
Speaker 1: Kelly is the grad is R and B actor. It's
Speaker 1: R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you
Speaker 1: a question, though?
Speaker 5: Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about
Speaker 5: this R and B My first.
Speaker 1: One, because we talk about artists.
Speaker 6: Are the only artist his pets.
Speaker 1: And he's a nice R and B artist talking about artist,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I get him.
Speaker 3: R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably
Speaker 3: be the greatest R and B act. But my issue
Speaker 3: is Michael Jackson's claim is not stronger than Stevie Wonder's claim.
Speaker 5: If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry. Yeah,
Speaker 5: then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.
Speaker 12: I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder
Speaker 12: wrote and produced for Michael Jackson too. But we said
Speaker 12: what we're talking, We saying this artist though, I'm saying
Speaker 12: that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm
Speaker 3: not quite sure as far as just pure R and B.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,
Speaker 3: and again, like we can kind of say pop is
Speaker 3: a is a subgenre of R and B because it's
Speaker 3: a sub genre of soul. But I probably would, like
Speaker 3: it's hard for me not to imagine the world without
Speaker 3: songs in the Key of Life.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite album of all time right there.
Speaker 3: That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the jit,
Speaker 3: Like that's R and B and soul like kind of
Speaker 3: the pinnacle, you know what I mean, somebody really using
Speaker 3: black music.
Speaker 1: So when does R and B change? I think R
Speaker 1: and B the way we see it is really in
Speaker 1: the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.
Speaker 3: Because I think we look at a lot of other
Speaker 3: stuff before, as all of the the originals were kind
Speaker 3: of fixing every like they were kind of starting to
Speaker 3: experiment with everything.
Speaker 1: So what changed in R and B in the eighties
Speaker 1: It just got pure.
Speaker 3: I think they changed it to contemporary army where it
Speaker 3: started kind of being obviously just that.
Speaker 6: They say.
Speaker 5: Ratchet this to R and B two though, like I
Speaker 5: think it kind of made R and B a little
Speaker 5: more edgy in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a little more edgy.
Speaker 3: So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't
Speaker 3: imagine the world without Stevie Wonders songs in the kid life.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the most important.
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, then we are we If
Speaker 3: we putting Michael Jackson in there, then we have to
Speaker 3: put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all
Speaker 3: in there. It's gonna be really tough for.
Speaker 1: Chris Brown.
Speaker 3: Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's
Speaker 3: really gonna start being tough for us, You're and R Kelly,
Speaker 3: because now if you're just gonna take all of this
Speaker 3: black music, you know that came from R and B,
Speaker 3: and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got
Speaker 3: an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain.
Speaker 1: Probably not, that's who R Kelly. Probably that Double.
Speaker 5: Purple, that Double Us City called the game Trap was
Speaker 5: all right, it was called all He thought he got
Speaker 5: another one. I thought it was all.
Speaker 7: One that was read in black, the one that was
Speaker 7: read in black, the double CD joint, everything about twelve
Speaker 7: play two.
Speaker 5: Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty
Speaker 5: songs on it, and the only problem a bunch of
Speaker 5: great songs on there. Well, in thirty songs, you're going
Speaker 5: to have about six or seven of them that we're
Speaker 5: just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain
Speaker 5: was a great album.
Speaker 1: So I'm saying, so this becomes my problem.
Speaker 3: Right, It's like, okay, if we're not gonna try to
Speaker 3: do pure R and B and it just becomes R
Speaker 3: and B and all sub genres, you're gonna have a fight.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be some records in there that probably ain't
Speaker 3: even just black artists exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.
Speaker 5: Was known as race at first, that take white people
Speaker 5: out of the conversation altogether.
Speaker 1: I think it brought race. I think it brought white
Speaker 1: people into the conversation when they changed it to R
Speaker 1: and B so.
Speaker 5: You could throw Have you ever heard of an artist
Speaker 5: named John Billion?
Speaker 11: Of course, that's one of my favorite artists.
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, I love John Billions.
Speaker 3: I really don't like the only white singers I like.
Speaker 3: I can't say that. I don't really consider most white
Speaker 3: people really good singers. I think people sing really good
Speaker 3: for white people. I think if you listen to have
Speaker 3: like like Tina Marie Sings.
Speaker 10: Is Cold, Hall of Notes, Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like,
Speaker 10: it's some that really get cracking.
Speaker 1: But I just saint Finnish like Mariah Carey.
Speaker 3: That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple
Speaker 3: of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But
Speaker 3: like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,
Speaker 3: see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.
Speaker 1: Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.
Speaker 5: I don't think we go all the way back, like
Speaker 5: you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Start at the eighties.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at
Speaker 3: the lunch table. Everybody cooking early because is like, oh,
Speaker 3: were on this conversation. I knew this conversation is gonna
Speaker 3: be crazy. Softie, what's up?
Speaker 6: Eight?
Speaker 1: And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you
Speaker 1: for being here? V? What's the deal? Bro?
Speaker 3: Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's
Speaker 3: shut up?
Speaker 11: Next?
Speaker 1: I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,
Speaker 3: but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening?
Speaker 11: Cool?
Speaker 1: What's the deal? We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 3: Let me get going because there's a lot of people
Speaker 3: cooking at the table, so I can't go through all
Speaker 3: the names. Thank y'all for being here because we're trying
Speaker 3: to work it out. Trying to work it out. No,
Speaker 3: I think Mariah is a great singer for like a
Speaker 3: white person.
Speaker 6: Shit ladies, man, come on.
Speaker 1: You no like you know what I mean? No, she's
Speaker 1: the no, So.
Speaker 11: I see what you are.
Speaker 6: Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.
Speaker 11: Ro can't.
Speaker 1: Nobody here said I did not see.
Speaker 6: You said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't.
Speaker 10: The other day I did not say Brandy the mnus, well,
Speaker 10: you might as well said that.
Speaker 6: You might as well said that.
Speaker 10: No, I did not say Brandy said she was a seventh.
Speaker 10: You said she was assessing and she was an eight.
Speaker 6: Same thing, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens. Okay, so
Speaker 1: that's cap.
Speaker 5: So when Winnie Howston is a ten, what's cap Miny
Speaker 5: Rippleton is like a seven?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.
Speaker 1: I know you don't know that, but I had to
Speaker 1: go back. I had to go back and listen to
Speaker 1: many like you talking about a ten. She's not what
Speaker 1: is wrong with your ears? I'm talking about vocally, she's
Speaker 1: not a ten like she had a great song.
Speaker 11: Let let's.
Speaker 1: Let him cook for let him cook for a while.
Speaker 5: Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten. Ripper
Speaker 5: ripper ten is attend to you what vocally?
Speaker 11: Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.
Speaker 12: No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.
Speaker 1: So women, what song? What song was she? Vocally? So
Speaker 1: great on.
Speaker 6: That last he got he Got touched the memory?
Speaker 1: Just play loving You, I do play.
Speaker 5: It's one of her best songs, and what are ya
Speaker 5: getting from that to where she's a ten?
Speaker 1: Vocally?
Speaker 11: She had a whistlebody else and music that she had
Speaker 11: a whistle.
Speaker 1: Nothing, nobody, nobody else in music can do it.
Speaker 6: I knew it.
Speaker 1: I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah
Speaker 1: carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure. But
Speaker 1: Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your This
Speaker 1: is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I look
Speaker 1: at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.
Speaker 1: You see the Nuances is a ten?
Speaker 10: Many carry cannot hold nothing is Diana Russell.
Speaker 1: Then also, here we.
Speaker 11: Go, I got this is how I got out of
Speaker 11: the pocket last week because you just.
Speaker 1: Out of control and so and so I said, it's
Speaker 1: only crazy and not many, not one of them.
Speaker 3: Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.
Speaker 3: Every single breathing air will tell you.
Speaker 11: Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta
Speaker 5: go with six on that.
Speaker 1: If many rippertains attend, Brandy can't do what many does.
Speaker 5: She can't whistle, Okay, cool, it's not She's singing, all right,
Speaker 5: that she can't whistle.
Speaker 11: We can't.
Speaker 12: We can't say like just because this person can't do
Speaker 12: like they don't have the exact they don't have to
Speaker 12: have the exact same skill set to be a ten.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree all the time, Like what is happening?
Speaker 3: I know, I'll tell you all the time because you
Speaker 3: pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not
Speaker 3: You could do one thing and be the best at
Speaker 3: it and be a team. I'm not like Anita Baker
Speaker 3: is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.
Speaker 1: Octive and I do I agree with that. Or you
Speaker 1: could have a top octave right like like Bobby de
Speaker 1: Barge right and switch. I agree with that.
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying if, but if you're going to
Speaker 5: call many Ripperton attend and there's some other people that
Speaker 5: you left out, then.
Speaker 1: That no, you just have bad ears.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you don't know way you can listen to
Speaker 3: many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this
Speaker 3: is kind of like a one.
Speaker 5: I think that she's a great I think she has
Speaker 5: great songs, and she don't really.
Speaker 1: Have She don't really have a lot of great songs.
Speaker 1: Are great, a great song. You talk about her vote
Speaker 1: vocally as a monster. She's like a real deal vocalist.
Speaker 5: Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.
Speaker 5: I think she's in her lane. She got her lane
Speaker 5: and she does that very well.
Speaker 1: That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,
Speaker 1: Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears
Speaker 1: are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.
Speaker 5: Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.
Speaker 1: That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.
Speaker 1: Pal Belt is a ten team for sure.
Speaker 3: But but the point I was making was, this is
Speaker 3: a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.
Speaker 1: Are we calling everything in R and B?
Speaker 3: Since since all of the sub genres right, which could
Speaker 3: be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,
Speaker 3: which could be all of these things kind of come
Speaker 3: from the original rhythm and blues once you got past gospel.
Speaker 3: So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,
Speaker 3: it's like Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R
Speaker 3: and B something me wrong. His R and B songs
Speaker 3: is fire right, But I'm just saying it's people that
Speaker 3: have really dope pop some and he's one of them.
Speaker 12: Who's your top five white soul singers?
Speaker 7: You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe
Speaker 7: into that too much as that one. You know, I'm
Speaker 7: toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so
Speaker 7: he ain't gonna listen to that, right, am? I?
Speaker 6: Right? Am? I? Right?
Speaker 1: Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one?
Speaker 3: Only so many white people were sold it is it
Speaker 3: favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,
Speaker 3: right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best
Speaker 3: voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,
Speaker 3: I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall
Speaker 3: is the ship Number two. Remember Daryl Hall?
Speaker 1: Clip this please? I think you did, because it's gonna
Speaker 1: be really tough like number two. The Little Lady out
Speaker 1: of It that Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed?
Speaker 1: For sure, that's that's the real deal. Okay, Now, just voice.
Speaker 3: Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that
Speaker 3: I really jam. But Bobby called withell voice is fire
Speaker 3: m right. Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm, best
Speaker 3: voice and soul, put some soul in there.
Speaker 1: And number five Elton John m hmm.
Speaker 6: Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think, I
Speaker 6: say George Michaels some ship like.
Speaker 1: George on that man, No Elton John, el Jonathan.
Speaker 6: Go out and go.
Speaker 3: I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening
Speaker 3: to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet
Speaker 3: version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little
Speaker 3: that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a
Speaker 3: soul that's missing.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: That's my five favorite white soul sing They got sould.
Speaker 1: So no female white females. You just okay, you don't
Speaker 1: mess with that. He don't mess with that. He don't
Speaker 1: mess no, no, no, no no no. A Dale is
Speaker 1: cool for like a white singer.
Speaker 6: Mm hmman song.
Speaker 3: If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like
Speaker 1: every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?
Speaker 7: You can sing for a white lady, Yeah, I'm a
Speaker 7: glass on that one.
Speaker 1: What was the Mexican girl back in the days he
Speaker 1: used to sing Selena?
Speaker 6: Talking about what's Selena? No no no coming no no no,
Speaker 6: no no no.
Speaker 7: He's talking about talking about Lera who to be cracking
Speaker 7: for white man. I was talking about the incredible.
Speaker 10: Some of it.
Speaker 1: Look some of them white ladies, white lady.
Speaker 5: But all these, all those white ladies you just named,
Speaker 5: are are what you're talking about as far as know.
Speaker 1: So they don't they got so they got sol for
Speaker 1: like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people, they
Speaker 1: don't sound like.
Speaker 10: Got sold Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.
Speaker 3: That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is the
Speaker 3: real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.
Speaker 1: That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to
Speaker 1: the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I
Speaker 1: feel like.
Speaker 3: Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet
Speaker 3: light minute made version of like.
Speaker 1: Nina Simone. I was thinking the same thing. That's a
Speaker 1: second jazz, Like.
Speaker 3: I think the thing that's that's what it feels like
Speaker 3: when I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse.
Speaker 11: It's like, yeah, what about Robin Think.
Speaker 3: I like Rob Robin Think is a dope white singer.
Speaker 3: You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's
Speaker 3: gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,
Speaker 3: he like a six.
Speaker 1: I know you gonna kill me for this. But j T,
Speaker 1: that's like.
Speaker 5: J was a better singer until he got on the
Speaker 5: stage with Brian mcnott.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j
Speaker 1: T was a good singer than Brian.
Speaker 6: He they did.
Speaker 5: You know, they got a song together, they got the
Speaker 5: stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.
Speaker 5: It was idam he can't even say that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.
Speaker 11: If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know from.
Speaker 5: About I think she's an We just said vocally no six.
Speaker 5: Do you have inside information on Beyonce?
Speaker 1: Like is she what is she? Vocally? Beyonce?
Speaker 11: I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I
Speaker 11: never heard the album or anything. I've only heard singing. Yeah,
Speaker 11: I never listened. I never was drawn to her musical that.
Speaker 6: So you heard one plus one.
Speaker 3: Though I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: think she a lot stronger than everybody. To get me
Speaker 3: credit for, I.
Speaker 1: Think Beyonce is underrated as a singer though yeah I agree.
Speaker 6: I agree.
Speaker 1: It might be closer to her nine and you think.
Speaker 3: That could be true, but she don't do the songs
Speaker 3: to exercise where she could go.
Speaker 1: She also kind of stay controlled.
Speaker 3: So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.
Speaker 1: The bos nigga.
Speaker 11: Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is a little better
Speaker 11: than Cassie.
Speaker 1: You said that.
Speaker 12: In fact, she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 12: see that's a hot take.
Speaker 3: And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all
Speaker 3: feel like y'all listen, like we kind of really listened
Speaker 3: to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,
Speaker 3: your fucking taste is horrible.
Speaker 6: That's crazy. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as
Speaker 3: excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an
Speaker 3: amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.
Speaker 1: T bods is a four? No six? Is you can
Speaker 1: sing at a six, like you get cracking at a six.
Speaker 1: Cracking out of six is crazy.
Speaker 11: Heard boy singing, I'm about to put her up.
Speaker 6: I think a unique voice though.
Speaker 1: I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get
Speaker 13: up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little
Speaker 13: bit more. She gets listen.
Speaker 3: Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,
Speaker 3: Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.
Speaker 3: So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what
Speaker 3: you have to compare. H.
Speaker 1: But you don't need agree with Whitney.
Speaker 3: Uh, you don't need to be like like see, when
Speaker 3: I think of R and B, I think of people
Speaker 3: like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm, they
Speaker 3: don't really like. Luther Vandross is a ten vocally like
Speaker 3: Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther Van
Speaker 3: not argument between no human beings that no. Luther Vandross
Speaker 3: vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther Vandras Tu.
Speaker 3: You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin Gay is
Speaker 3: a ten.
Speaker 11: I just listened to T boys.
Speaker 12: Yes, how fast I clicked back to the to the
Speaker 12: part right, you just listen to t balls.
Speaker 1: What would you give from me?
Speaker 11: Like five?
Speaker 1: Six? Thank you? That's what it ain't I said, it's four.
Speaker 1: I said like five six? Or is? I think? Okay?
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's your that's your opinion, Yeah, because because.
Speaker 3: You gotta have space in the middle, like, right, where's
Speaker 3: Tina Marie?
Speaker 1: Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a
Speaker 1: nine bro right, So then think about how good Tina
Speaker 1: Marie is compared to teapots. I mean, yeah, that's what's
Speaker 1: the five point? That's what five like. It's not about
Speaker 1: three points, about bout five points like them big three
Speaker 1: points though. Okay, let's go seven eight, Let me think,
Speaker 1: let me think I got you. Who's that?
Speaker 3: Uh Tony Braxton? Okaye, where'd you put Tony?
Speaker 1: Tony might be like a you might be like eight
Speaker 1: and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half?
Speaker 6: Nine?
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm not mad at that?
Speaker 6: Locally eight you can track.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I gotta go out to vlast is, where would
Speaker 10: you put Alicia Keys?
Speaker 6: Six?
Speaker 1: That's a good question seven seven, eight, seven because she
Speaker 1: can even relate them goddamn piano course, mm hmm. She
Speaker 1: kind of just she like really sneaky good too, like
Speaker 1: Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good. Do you think only
Speaker 1: a seven or eight I got? I have to really
Speaker 1: listen to a seven or eight.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question because I thought about
Speaker 5: something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because
Speaker 5: they're such good performers, get that taken away from their
Speaker 5: their their performance vocally?
Speaker 1: I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.
Speaker 5: Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than
Speaker 5: we think he is?
Speaker 6: Prince is great vocally, though Prince s different actors like
Speaker 6: Prince is Crazy just live.
Speaker 1: Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.
Speaker 3: And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't know,
Speaker 3: that might be pushing I need to.
Speaker 1: A Prince live.
Speaker 5: Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.
Speaker 6: Change is active.
Speaker 7: The way he's singing, you're saying, he's saying many different
Speaker 7: ways though.
Speaker 10: The Princess crazy professional one of the team.
Speaker 1: You get Prince seven seven, You got.
Speaker 11: Prince in the same realm as Alicia Keys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually, what you think
Speaker 1: about that? Trapping six.
Speaker 11: Wow that I don't agree with Prince nine eight and
Speaker 11: a half.
Speaker 1: You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait man, so
Speaker 1: six you say no to a nine or eight or
Speaker 1: seven or eight? Prince vocally?
Speaker 11: No, I'm saying no to seven.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said. What
Speaker 1: you what you gotta? Uh king by the eight.
Speaker 7: And a half.
Speaker 10: Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.
Speaker 3: He's different, his different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of those guys who performed so
Speaker 5: well that where you you forget how.
Speaker 1: Good you know?
Speaker 10: It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael
Speaker 10: Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.
Speaker 1: Like losing your fucking mind.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 1: It's cool, you got you got Stevie. It's close.
Speaker 6: You got Stevie.
Speaker 3: Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and
Speaker 3: Lisa Key.
Speaker 6: Is not with them being come on stop that.
Speaker 3: Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,
Speaker 3: she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she
Speaker 3: a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.
Speaker 12: I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend
Speaker 12: like an hour or two and I got I have to.
Speaker 11: I gotta train your ear to show you what you
Speaker 11: need to be listening to.
Speaker 1: Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.
Speaker 1: I know, no, you gotta do it. But but I
Speaker 1: think it's fair for me.
Speaker 6: No music.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder
Speaker 3: is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's
Speaker 3: not a disservice to him or because really, their calling
Speaker 3: card is not necessarily the.
Speaker 1: Performance I say.
Speaker 3: I think they're calling card is the fact that these
Speaker 3: are some of the ad as musicians ever ever that
Speaker 3: could actually sing me as.
Speaker 12: I think, Prince, I mean, I think you you have
Speaker 12: to go listen to my bad coach. You gotta go
Speaker 12: listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live version of
Speaker 12: Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the instruments that
Speaker 12: are playing at the end in the band Nigga that
Speaker 12: vocal performances out of it.
Speaker 3: Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying if you're asking me, this.
Speaker 1: Is my thought.
Speaker 3: Now again, I could go do this, do a deep
Speaker 3: dive and realize I was tripping this.
Speaker 1: Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson
Speaker 1: seven eight.
Speaker 6: You got? You got Donny Hathaway.
Speaker 11: Yes, he's a tough crowd everybody.
Speaker 1: When I listened to you sing.
Speaker 6: Bro like I want to him, you got down.
Speaker 1: Eight eight nine is nice.
Speaker 6: I ain't mad at that.
Speaker 3: See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten
Speaker 3: one gear. Right, here's the question six I got you?
Speaker 3: Where's Berry White vocally?
Speaker 11: Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I probably they canna play with these. I respect.
Speaker 12: From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the
Speaker 12: Whispers coach.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm going back to Burrial fast.
Speaker 7: Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Weside, the tent from Bothy.
Speaker 1: That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm
Speaker 1: not mad at that. Okay. When from the Whispers day
Speaker 1: that's some bad one. They get cracky.
Speaker 3: They solid what's funny is Rothel is my favorite vocalist
Speaker 3: as far as male vocalist. Well, obviously there's a couple,
Speaker 3: but ro is my I've listened to more Rotha music
Speaker 3: than any other male vocals.
Speaker 5: This is where you get people fucked up, though, because
Speaker 5: you give all these other singers seven's and six and
Speaker 5: ship and then you be like.
Speaker 1: Jamie Fox unpredictable.
Speaker 6: That's crazy, crazy.
Speaker 10: Because you don't need to have a ten for you
Speaker 10: to be my What really they are? How they make me?
Speaker 6: Number?
Speaker 1: Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?
Speaker 6: Eight?
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx my.
Speaker 12: Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no claim
Speaker 12: to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.
Speaker 11: Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to think about it.
Speaker 3: I think it like I think my my rating system
Speaker 3: makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't
Speaker 3: have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist
Speaker 3: than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a
Speaker 3: better album than Bad.
Speaker 5: But I think a lot more goes than making a
Speaker 5: great album than just vocals exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: crazy you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one
Speaker 1: of the greatest.
Speaker 3: It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't
Speaker 3: play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead
Speaker 3: playing with me.
Speaker 1: Why not weekly, I just.
Speaker 7: Don't care about the records they come on. I want
Speaker 7: to dance with.
Speaker 6: Somebody, never traver right one too.
Speaker 1: I want to have about that ship is the ship? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would never remember that line of Richie, you don't
Speaker 1: play all night long?
Speaker 3: A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello
Speaker 3: hey all night long?
Speaker 6: Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.
Speaker 1: Line?
Speaker 3: Just could start making pop music? He start competing and
Speaker 3: and I respected that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't thriller, Bro.
Speaker 11: I just saw something this morning, Bro, I gotta send
Speaker 11: it to y'all. It was one I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't play thriller either. Yeah, I don't play thriller
Speaker 1: like I sometimes when I do either, I don't play
Speaker 1: bad or Thriller.
Speaker 5: Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.
Speaker 11: Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.
Speaker 5: And you know what that was new when you said that,
Speaker 5: that was news to me. But but if you you know,
Speaker 5: if you.
Speaker 1: Heard I'm saying you heard it, he might know like
Speaker 1: that that is news to me, you say the expert.
Speaker 7: That's why these all these plaquis R and B.
Speaker 1: Nigga, I'm a rapper locally.
Speaker 5: Tank is ten a ten Yeah, because when I started atas,
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, but he got inside information.
Speaker 1: I think I think he's.
Speaker 3: Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's
Speaker 3: still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.
Speaker 12: Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.
Speaker 11: I always look at it this way right.
Speaker 12: I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,
Speaker 12: I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she
Speaker 12: could sing, you want to hear a sing? And I'm
Speaker 12: like no, because you being able to sing in front
Speaker 12: of me or sing on the phone don't mean you
Speaker 12: can go in there and make a record.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make
Speaker 1: a record.
Speaker 12: But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability
Speaker 12: to go in and uh to make a record professionally
Speaker 12: based on that that nigga can stand on the corner
Speaker 12: just like she stand in the corner.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know, g man, I heard somebody talk
Speaker 5: to me about it yesterday too. I sing it like
Speaker 5: really singing. She stood, don't think like She started, bringing
Speaker 5: me through the history of he was a backup singer.
Speaker 6: Started. She started, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna show you.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna show you when I pull up on you
Speaker 11: show me.
Speaker 1: Yep. I got to pull up on Tank and just
Speaker 1: make him just go, get cracking, nigga. So get cracking.
Speaker 3: Real nigga real, Like a lot of my stuff is
Speaker 3: not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,
Speaker 3: And this is my problem. And this is why I
Speaker 3: won't let you say that ship six see the type
Speaker 3: of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.
Speaker 1: Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta
Speaker 1: sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna say it.
Speaker 3: Like I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.
Speaker 3: You don't have to sing just like them, but it
Speaker 3: has to be as good as him. So like Tank,
Speaker 3: I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I
Speaker 3: think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is
Speaker 3: an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he
Speaker 3: understands equipment instruments, He know how to do all of
Speaker 3: that shit.
Speaker 1: He tough.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and
Speaker 3: Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther
Speaker 1: would blow.
Speaker 12: I didn't say nothing about Luther, nigga, you just made
Speaker 12: him he is six. But that's your criteria. You Luther
Speaker 12: is your standard, not mine.
Speaker 1: Is Luther not a team?
Speaker 11: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 6: Can I Can I say this though?
Speaker 1: Can I say now that six six is saying this
Speaker 1: shit A classes in this Luther talk? Is just want
Speaker 1: you to say Luther. I'm just gonna say this, man.
Speaker 1: That's why I looked at him early.
Speaker 5: Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect
Speaker 5: from about Luther. But I don't know if if lutheran
Speaker 5: Tank staying on the corner. I don't know if Luther
Speaker 5: just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.
Speaker 5: After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.
Speaker 11: Just go listen, bro.
Speaker 1: You gotta understand nothing you could listen to. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be close.
Speaker 5: Because Glass has got those he got some old people
Speaker 5: in his head that he just he just they on
Speaker 5: that that pantheon for him.
Speaker 1: But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. See he gonna try to get me saying
Speaker 1: that's what you want to say, though you're saying matty
Speaker 1: much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of
Speaker 1: the greatest vocalists to ever exist. Luther, is there true Luther?
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.
Speaker 11: That's all you did last.
Speaker 1: Week, and I just asked questions about that. People probably
Speaker 1: talking bad about him all the time. Is Luther operted? No,
Speaker 1: this is your fault six I know No, you did know,
Speaker 1: so you know you did Bush. I'm a seven year old.
Speaker 1: This is why. This is why I staying on it.
Speaker 1: So I don't have this.
Speaker 5: I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a
Speaker 5: question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?
Speaker 11: No, not that, not even close to overrated.
Speaker 5: Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is
Speaker 5: he he's right where he needs to be at Luther,
Speaker 5: that's one of the greatest this is Luther is a.
Speaker 1: It's for me.
Speaker 12: Ago because my thing is this, like even Luther could
Speaker 12: be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve those.
Speaker 1: Type of things. Is that measurement.
Speaker 11: But some of these players are in their own realm, bro.
Speaker 3: Like, But they have to be able to sing as
Speaker 3: these people in these realms to be a ting.
Speaker 12: That's why, men, let me ask you this. Are you
Speaker 12: saying that the people that you have as eights male
Speaker 12: singers don't have the ability to do what the tens
Speaker 12: do vocally?
Speaker 1: They can have the moment what you mean, they got him,
Speaker 1: so they deliver sometimes, but a ten is a ten
Speaker 1: every time, Like Luther is Luther Van draws no matter
Speaker 1: how you slice it.
Speaker 11: Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?
Speaker 12: Come on, oh no, James Brown good singer.
Speaker 3: He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of
Speaker 3: got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer. To me,
Speaker 3: he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown
Speaker 3: because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga
Speaker 3: was just shouting her.
Speaker 5: But Josh, this is what you do to you though,
Speaker 5: Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting.
Speaker 1: You know what what you start calling me coach? This
Speaker 1: is dark, This is dark, this is dark. Beata right here?
Speaker 1: Does he do his baiting really? Fly?
Speaker 5: And I just come out and asked my question. GV
Speaker 5: wanted you to lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.
Speaker 3: I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying
Speaker 3: him because I have to stand on him. So then
Speaker 3: I don't want to wake up one day and find
Speaker 3: somebody else. So we're talking about R and B.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say somebody's a tin and they
Speaker 1: can't sing with somebody that's a tin. Billy Holliday, I
Speaker 1: love Billy Holliday. I take a little bit more time.
Speaker 12: Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So
Speaker 12: Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the
Speaker 12: hip hop side as Luther.
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent
Speaker 3: like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban
Speaker 3: cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just
Speaker 3: dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not
Speaker 3: the same.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is different.
Speaker 11: So you don't got no ten on.
Speaker 1: Hip hip hop music is actually not good.
Speaker 7: I don't say that brow but just like you know,
Speaker 7: I stand on it.
Speaker 1: You need me to.
Speaker 12: In the realm of like how we're judging singers on.
Speaker 11: Their ability to sing.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want
Speaker 3: to do something freaking to you and then go listen
Speaker 3: to than you don't notice the difference musically, like.
Speaker 1: Think is bad? What well? I think on a pantheon
Speaker 1: of music right now, just straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't
Speaker 1: tell you G thing is on the same level as
Speaker 1: Leon Haywood. I want to do something for you said.
Speaker 1: It's not on the same level. It's not even in
Speaker 1: the same arena. G Thing is not good. I think
Speaker 1: hip hop at the whole the music is just all
Speaker 1: of it is. Maybe the best is like a six.
Speaker 1: All hip just the music. It's a D. I mean
Speaker 1: an instrumentation of the music.
Speaker 7: Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know what you're
Speaker 7: talking about, because the message.
Speaker 1: Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes
Speaker 1: it like a thirty. But the music part of it
Speaker 1: is just a D. It's under there. Yeah hell yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: Like the best is like a C. So it's a seven, yeah,
Speaker 1: like a seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you have any acts that you think are
Speaker 5: higher than the seed that kind of hold up the
Speaker 5: you know, get it up to the scene.
Speaker 1: So to just mute like, is there somebody hip hop
Speaker 1: that make music good? White? Fuck?
Speaker 7: No, let me tell you why hip hop is not
Speaker 7: that right there, because the creation, the creation method of
Speaker 7: hip hop has to has to be put up there
Speaker 7: more more than what you're saying. It is though, because
Speaker 7: the fact that you can take anything making it hip.
Speaker 3: Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap. I don't mean
Speaker 3: to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes
Speaker 3: to hip hop. Like the music were talking about. That's
Speaker 3: what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul
Speaker 3: food healthy. Like what makes hip hop special is the
Speaker 3: fantas you can. You could take anything and make it
Speaker 3: into hip hop.
Speaker 6: Cherry.
Speaker 1: You could take the only black music.
Speaker 10: Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me
Speaker 10: I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,
Speaker 10: this is like Arry White.
Speaker 1: So hip hop music is not good for you artist.
Speaker 3: No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.
Speaker 3: I just think you're comparing musicians.
Speaker 10: I get you you can do I give it you're
Speaker 10: saying no because it.
Speaker 1: Better than all music.
Speaker 5: Okay, Tramp, So let me get this from you too,
Speaker 5: is that you also think hip hop a musically is
Speaker 5: a DP No.
Speaker 7: The reason why, the reason why understand, the reason why
Speaker 7: Undertarily's saying though, is because, like I said, you could
Speaker 7: take anything make it's a hip hop, but it doesn't
Speaker 7: become hip hop to the lyrics can put on it, though,
Speaker 7: So you know what I'm saying, So it doesn't become
Speaker 7: so you could take like you said, I want to
Speaker 7: do something freaky to you, doesn't become hip hop until
Speaker 7: Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah, you know
Speaker 7: what I'm saying like that, So that's what. So it's
Speaker 7: like it's almost like.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a hip hop.
Speaker 3: Hip hop records can have records from people with any
Speaker 3: record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation
Speaker 3: because the music is make do right. It's like making
Speaker 3: the best out of some ship you really don't know
Speaker 3: how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,
Speaker 3: you present it. How much power is anything I've ever
Speaker 3: seen in music? Any talking about like g thing is
Speaker 3: is powerful?
Speaker 7: Us?
Speaker 1: Very white very White, first, last, and only. So hip
Speaker 1: hop music is the most powerful music it is.
Speaker 3: It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things
Speaker 3: that connect to poor people, like making do always work
Speaker 3: better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.
Speaker 3: I mean, because I think humans can connect to trying
Speaker 3: to make the best side of circumstance.
Speaker 1: But hip hop the music itself, like if you play.
Speaker 3: G thinking next to leon Man a change and I
Speaker 3: want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro
Speaker 3: before going to what dre sample to be the wash?
Speaker 3: That shit is incredible like music like I listen to
Speaker 3: very White almost every day. Dog you hear that shit?
Speaker 6: Oh you like?
Speaker 1: Oh, this ain't necessarily music.
Speaker 5: So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,
Speaker 5: like the stuff that they use musically is better, or
Speaker 5: when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it
Speaker 5: more powerful.
Speaker 3: Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,
Speaker 3: like it's a get out and in the present now Again,
Speaker 3: I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in
Speaker 3: the same vein as some of the best songs and
Speaker 3: other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized
Speaker 3: cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they
Speaker 3: interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but
Speaker 3: you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.
Speaker 1: Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,
Speaker 1: the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.
Speaker 1: It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,
Speaker 1: that's the power of this shit. That's why nigga's so
Speaker 1: protective of it because I get what makes it special.
Speaker 3: Like when we're arguing. When I'm arguing with Trapping, I'm like,
Speaker 3: the music don't have a sound. It's really just black
Speaker 3: music to a degree, right.
Speaker 1: You get black. But once you put the person on
Speaker 1: it and some shit happened, that shit just be different.
Speaker 1: But I mean, man, if you hear Barry White like
Speaker 1: like like I lay my Lowrider that.
Speaker 3: The love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,
Speaker 3: this ship is out of here. Like the music, bro,
Speaker 3: that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no
Speaker 3: hip hop shit like that never.
Speaker 1: I get it. As far as just the music, I
Speaker 1: get it.
Speaker 3: Even when I hear cream right, which is one of
Speaker 3: my favorite beats, of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, And that's one of my
Speaker 3: favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you
Speaker 3: play some of that Verry White shit, you be like
Speaker 3: it's different that shit. Start changing and doing shit and
Speaker 3: you be like, holy shit.
Speaker 5: I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at
Speaker 5: hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we
Speaker 5: look at other.
Speaker 1: That could be true.
Speaker 7: M hmm.
Speaker 12: What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R
Speaker 12: and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?
Speaker 1: Yeah, h.
Speaker 6: Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.
Speaker 11: Blige boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire.
Speaker 11: That's an abstract choice too.
Speaker 6: Okay, all this.
Speaker 3: So the first my favorite, the first song that come
Speaker 3: to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song
Speaker 3: Ghost and Mary.
Speaker 1: Did that song come right to mind?
Speaker 3: I always think of that song first for some reason,
Speaker 3: that that song all I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.
Speaker 1: But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.
Speaker 11: It's you're talking about method man and Mary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, excuse me that.
Speaker 6: You all I mean all I mean, I'm.
Speaker 1: Gonna say that six when you said that ship come
Speaker 1: on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,
Speaker 1: my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and snoop. That's
Speaker 1: always gonna go West Coast. Let's do a lot of
Speaker 1: on the West Coast.
Speaker 3: But the first one that comes to mind the greatest
Speaker 3: is probably that method and Mary J song. I remember
Speaker 3: hearing that song being like, damn crazy. If I the
Speaker 3: world too, I think, but.
Speaker 1: That is hip hop. No man, that might be the one,
Speaker 1: bro Becauselauren Hill is hip hop.
Speaker 12: I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either
Speaker 12: that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo
Speaker 12: tosy know because.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about them. I mean, when they killing,
Speaker 1: you ain't hurting, nothing like that, when they all live,
Speaker 1: when they when anybody is office specifically, i've heard them all.
Speaker 11: No I saw they got one of the.
Speaker 3: I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.
Speaker 3: It's crazy we had all this R and B conversation.
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige. Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of
Speaker 1: all time, but it's Mary J.
Speaker 5: Like how you said that other song was hip hop
Speaker 5: all the way. Hip hop because Mary J hip hop.
Speaker 5: She's the queen of hip hop, saw because Mary J.
Speaker 5: Just Mary J. Blige could easily be the greatest R
Speaker 5: and B act Ever. I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 3: Saw anybody any reaction to music as much as I saw,
Speaker 3: like you gotta go pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J.
Speaker 1: Blige.
Speaker 3: The thing Mary J Blige do. The black women I
Speaker 3: have never saw no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another
Speaker 3: black woman breathing air, not beyond that's a good one.
Speaker 3: Not none of them. You see them motherfuckers?
Speaker 1: Will Mary J? Come on?
Speaker 5: It is different ja so powerful that I used to
Speaker 5: listen to her and be like, I get what I
Speaker 5: get it girls.
Speaker 1: The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main
Speaker 1: question come to my mind is what did you do?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 1: Man, I agree, that's how good. Mary J. Make you
Speaker 1: think some of your ship?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, Mary J. Blige makes me think, what
Speaker 3: are you doing to make all these people.
Speaker 1: Do this to you? I ain't never late go to
Speaker 1: married for it. Got to be married for bro. That's
Speaker 1: that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for man.
Speaker 1: You see black women with Mary J. Blige. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: they can't be everybody else is this is you?
Speaker 6: This is you.
Speaker 1: Gotta be you.
Speaker 5: You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,
Speaker 5: she dropped that album and all the women was.
Speaker 1: Mad and we need that this ain't the marry we
Speaker 1: like doing on her relationship and.
Speaker 3: Ship going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I
Speaker 3: think I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly.
Speaker 3: Oh hell now as an act as far as what
Speaker 3: great as the greatest R and B act of all time.
Speaker 1: It's crazy sometimes Mary J.
Speaker 7: Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's crazy as far
Speaker 7: as I act, She's really up there, changed the whole.
Speaker 1: Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even
Speaker 1: have no possum. You know she up there, but don't singer.
Speaker 10: She ain't whole like no lie kick and all that ship.
Speaker 1: Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.
Speaker 1: Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this though, Imagine if R Kelly
Speaker 5: just liked them two years older and he was still he.
Speaker 10: Still probably wouldn't be change. Yeah, two years old, but
Speaker 10: I think like them two years older too. I like
Speaker 10: them all, you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married.
Speaker 1: She is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope.
Speaker 1: She's that dope Kelly dope.
Speaker 7: But but I think you're talking more so now now
Speaker 7: when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As
Speaker 7: far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs records records,
Speaker 7: she got records, record.
Speaker 1: She don't have no I believe I can fly. She
Speaker 1: don't have no cross.
Speaker 10: She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I
Speaker 10: get that we're idiots.
Speaker 1: She's a black lady from the ghetto of New York
Speaker 1: talking about black men fucking her over. It is the
Speaker 1: most polarizing thing you've ever saw in your life.
Speaker 6: It was allowed to do with production.
Speaker 5: Black women might think are Kelly better than her?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think they can like them better, but I think
Speaker 3: Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something
Speaker 3: different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,
Speaker 3: I ever saw no.
Speaker 1: Ship like that.
Speaker 12: When a woman's fed up, Somebody said, what you're responding with,
Speaker 12: what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with
Speaker 12: from that?
Speaker 1: Right there, nigga.
Speaker 5: When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it
Speaker 5: made me want to be nicer to women.
Speaker 10: Your men, women, dog man.
Speaker 5: I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,
Speaker 5: it was you have a penis? But damn right, but
Speaker 5: I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary.
Speaker 1: Bro. I'm not lying.
Speaker 3: Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's
Speaker 3: probably clearly the greatest R.
Speaker 7: And B A.
Speaker 5: I would like to know what do black women think
Speaker 5: about I would like to know do black women like
Speaker 5: Mary or are Robert r Kelly? I mean Robert Kelly
Speaker 5: better than I just think I think black women will
Speaker 5: probably be Like shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,
Speaker 5: Mary J. Blige is way better than r Kelly.
Speaker 1: M hmm, that's one.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking
Speaker 3: about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.
Speaker 1: I don't think.
Speaker 10: People live the r Kelly music as much as they
Speaker 10: live Mary's experience.
Speaker 1: All the R Kelly I'm not talking about. No that
Speaker 1: I don't care about understanding. People are going to talk
Speaker 1: about that, but I'm not. I'm not gonna get into that.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is just him as R and B acts,
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige bro like.
Speaker 3: I seen women be in the streets drinking, singing that
Speaker 3: ship with their eyes closed.
Speaker 1: I never saw that for R. Kelly. I never saw
Speaker 1: them living the music like I see them living the
Speaker 1: music to Marry J.
Speaker 11: Blige.
Speaker 3: Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of a talent? Yes,
Speaker 3: I'm talking about just pure R and B act and
Speaker 3: Mary J. Blige is not a great singer. That's the
Speaker 3: crazy part is R.
Speaker 1: Kelly and great singers. He's a little bit better than
Speaker 1: everybody getting crazy.
Speaker 7: About seven seven?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's
Speaker 5: afford with TC.
Speaker 10: No, Mary, I might give a five.
Speaker 1: Five, I say five. I'll say marybody damn trap. That's
Speaker 1: that's I say. Mary about the six or seven.
Speaker 7: I think there's a lot to do with her production
Speaker 7: with songs.
Speaker 3: Like the blues that come off, the pain that come
Speaker 3: off for her is like some ship.
Speaker 1: I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking about.
Speaker 10: You get mad at No, you ain't. Nobody did all
Speaker 10: this to you? What you do, That's what I be thinking.
Speaker 10: You have now mad?
Speaker 5: I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's
Speaker 5: who got a lot of pain in they and they ship.
Speaker 1: Like you, but but you love more damn about the
Speaker 1: commiss like.
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.
Speaker 3: But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see
Speaker 3: like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,
Speaker 3: no matter if I was hustling or if I was
Speaker 3: doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life
Speaker 3: saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we
Speaker 3: talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J Blige music. I've
Speaker 3: been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when
Speaker 3: that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm with you. I agree with that.
Speaker 5: All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so
Speaker 5: much that it's started affecting white people.
Speaker 1: I think he makes really good music. That shit was
Speaker 1: costing all the way over.
Speaker 3: I think he makes really good It was a pop
Speaker 3: song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.
Speaker 3: I'm not disagreeing, like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.
Speaker 3: I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live
Speaker 3: that like it's different. It's the level of blues is different.
Speaker 3: It's just the connection they have to her is different,
Speaker 3: and her shit is.
Speaker 1: Just really for her. She's not even a an incredible talent,
Speaker 1: that's the crazy part, but they feel it because that's
Speaker 1: just I don't know why that that's a And that's
Speaker 1: a prime example DT white people not on Mary like
Speaker 1: that because she really is a true rhythm and blues act.
Speaker 5: And I think that's what does it for you because
Speaker 5: white people don't fuck with it, you love it.
Speaker 1: I just feel like white people don't fuck with the
Speaker 1: most black things exactly.
Speaker 10: It gotta be ser bad for you, like you if
Speaker 10: that ship I mean of R and B initially was
Speaker 10: race music, it was really black music.
Speaker 3: It was people of race, race music. So it makes
Speaker 3: I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still
Speaker 3: doing arenas and that's scary.
Speaker 1: NAS was opening up for her.
Speaker 6: M h.
Speaker 1: She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.
Speaker 3: I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as
Speaker 3: many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I
Speaker 3: think what Mary records do.
Speaker 1: That was just something crazy what he got way more records. Mary,
Speaker 1: Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,
Speaker 1: but she got a lot of record close in records. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they might be close. I'm telling you. She her ship
Speaker 1: is sneaky. She didn't.
Speaker 3: But but when you see how her music affects people,
Speaker 3: that's the one thing I can't shake.
Speaker 1: I can think of.
Speaker 3: Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.
Speaker 3: He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,
Speaker 3: when I see her music on, it ain't a song
Speaker 3: no more.
Speaker 5: But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,
Speaker 5: like you got it. You only want to see if
Speaker 5: that music affect niggas in the carter.
Speaker 1: And like, because that's what that's what's called. It's called
Speaker 1: race music.
Speaker 5: Then after that, but tell me was affecting those people
Speaker 5: and then that ship was traveling over to white people.
Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care. I white people prove
Speaker 1: that don't make it. It's called race music. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: it's called race music. So I'm okay, white people don't
Speaker 1: get it. That's okay, Okay. Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,
Speaker 5: are they only doing it based off of.
Speaker 1: Acts they don't know, they just be doing their top four.
Speaker 1: Me and Trapp had a.
Speaker 6: Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.
Speaker 1: Really clearing that thought up.
Speaker 3: And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,
Speaker 3: it's the fourth say that marked different things in American history.
Speaker 3: One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the
Speaker 3: progress of the nation.
Speaker 1: One mark.
Speaker 3: There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing
Speaker 3: it back together in Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 1: We had this with death Jam.
Speaker 3: I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount
Speaker 3: Rushmore of death Jam would be l l right as
Speaker 3: as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.
Speaker 1: As the.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 1: No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.
Speaker 3: The one that takes to improve outside of the country,
Speaker 3: and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the
Speaker 3: sound back.
Speaker 5: But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of
Speaker 5: uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar
Speaker 5: to yours. People got mad at him because they the
Speaker 5: most popular acts.
Speaker 3: Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has
Speaker 3: been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best
Speaker 3: for it.
Speaker 1: But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,
Speaker 1: if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and
Speaker 1: B really got to be on it? Baby Face got
Speaker 1: to be on the Mount Rismore? Probably not?
Speaker 6: So why not?
Speaker 1: So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,
Speaker 1: who would be who would be the who would be
Speaker 1: the George Washington of Mount Rushmore?
Speaker 6: For R and B?
Speaker 1: That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.
Speaker 3: I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then
Speaker 3: we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue
Speaker 3: with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be
Speaker 3: really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.
Speaker 3: I could probably not hold on the Prince as R
Speaker 3: and B just black music. I'm okay with that even
Speaker 3: kind of you know, I can miss them in R
Speaker 3: and B because I got them everywhere else, and pop
Speaker 3: music day is powerful as any pop artists in the
Speaker 3: history of pop music.
Speaker 1: So they're still there.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't really imagine the world on that list
Speaker 3: without Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye.
Speaker 1: That would be really hard for me.
Speaker 3: You know what, I'm saying, like I listened to too
Speaker 3: much of that shit, I study too much of their ship.
Speaker 3: It would be really really hard for me to do that.
Speaker 3: But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know they do make
Speaker 1: R and B, but a lot of people really feel
Speaker 1: like contemporary R and B is like more of an
Speaker 1: eighty sting. So does Keith wet get a.
Speaker 3: Ke not I don't think on red Board, don't think
Speaker 3: he's got his album, his album. I'm not bad that
Speaker 3: being in the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.
Speaker 1: Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: are we just doing as the talent though.
Speaker 3: I'm saying he has one making last Forever, he needs three.
Speaker 3: He would need five with his.
Speaker 1: Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people
Speaker 3: that are influential and matter in R and B, then
Speaker 3: Baby Faces probably paramount.
Speaker 5: But it's what I'm saying, when you making a while
Speaker 5: other than that, have to what happened? What's the criteria is?
Speaker 5: When I'm asking, well, if we're saying R and B.
Speaker 5: We're talking about R and B singers.
Speaker 1: R and B acts, so just R and B singers,
Speaker 1: and if we're just doing as sure because because yeah,
Speaker 1: but it would be hard. Who would be the George
Speaker 1: Washington of temperar. I guess if we did in temporary art.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.
Speaker 1: I feel and and hip hop R and B started
Speaker 1: with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to
Speaker 1: be He's like that first president America became America black
Speaker 1: man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could
Speaker 3: be on the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 7: So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got
Speaker 7: George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.
Speaker 7: You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary
Speaker 7: ideas shout.
Speaker 1: Out to Joke Smoke, and I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: I feel like it probably would have to be this
Speaker 3: is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,
Speaker 3: because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.
Speaker 1: Ray on the on the Mount worst one. Nothing I'd
Speaker 1: have to.
Speaker 6: Charles was making, was making arm Vito.
Speaker 3: Because he made he made so, he kind of created soul,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, He kind of created so
Speaker 3: and then pop is white people soul.
Speaker 6: But it was also like a like a rendition of
Speaker 6: like gospel music though, but that's all.
Speaker 3: But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel.
Speaker 3: Everything comes from gospel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just it's just tough, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's the problem. Like it's it's hard because it's possible
Speaker 1: to narrow it down to four. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 1: I think it's hard, and well, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: try anyway, let's consider fucking.
Speaker 5: But my thing is, I think when people do these
Speaker 5: amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.
Speaker 1: Like y'all gofferent. But I like when you're trap do
Speaker 1: it because it makes us think harder and it makes
Speaker 1: us credit to get quick question, you know what.
Speaker 5: Not saying the white boy makes it the right mount
Speaker 5: worst or anything anybody can if you're white and give
Speaker 5: me R and B Are you popp?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 1: Yes? So six and six know who John Bellyon is?
Speaker 1: Is John Billyon pop? Or is the R and B d.
Speaker 11: I don't think he's really pop because but I don't
Speaker 11: think he's quite R and B.
Speaker 12: He kind of like I think, like his song like
Speaker 12: Crop Circles could it's like more like alternative R and B.
Speaker 11: But then when you think about what was the first single.
Speaker 1: That Sam Smith is just pop pop last is just
Speaker 1: black and white. He's just white black because.
Speaker 3: If you white, you automatically anything you make is going
Speaker 3: to go into a pop space.
Speaker 1: Because the audience of people that's gonna take John is popular.
Speaker 11: No, he's not, Yeah, he's not.
Speaker 1: It's not about being popular, right, That's really what it's about.
Speaker 6: What was his first thing?
Speaker 1: The popular one?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 1: Some low shade down down with long Okay, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: with that.
Speaker 11: I'm with that.
Speaker 3: Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R
Speaker 3: and B my Rishmore's he is.
Speaker 1: He is the true founder for the most part of
Speaker 1: soul music.
Speaker 6: Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.
Speaker 3: That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas
Speaker 3: Jefferson who expanded R and B.
Speaker 1: Ray Charles did a good job of making it.
Speaker 4: So when you say expanded, you mean to the masses
Speaker 4: or so.
Speaker 3: Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at.
Speaker 1: The time, the west. Yeah, he made because.
Speaker 3: When it was the first it was just the thirteen
Speaker 3: the colonies and all that, and it was just on
Speaker 3: the east coast.
Speaker 1: He pushed it out west. He recognized the.
Speaker 6: Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 3: Are moving it west. So who was that person that
Speaker 3: took R and B from Ray Charles right? And then
Speaker 3: they went to another le They don't have to be
Speaker 3: a direct correlation.
Speaker 1: They just need to take it to the next level.
Speaker 3: Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction
Speaker 3: for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if
Speaker 3: t is kind of like, I mean, that was the
Speaker 3: same marketing.
Speaker 1: Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson
Speaker 1: is though? Do you consider him?
Speaker 3: He would have to be in this conversation too, because
Speaker 3: if you but I think Michael Jackson is that third president?
Speaker 1: What's the third guy?
Speaker 6: It's Abraham Lincoln? No, No, that's the fourth direction.
Speaker 7: No, all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an
Speaker 7: evolution Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 3: So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's
Speaker 3: what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and
Speaker 3: Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 1: Between So they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the person that made it.
Speaker 3: A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles
Speaker 3: kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.
Speaker 3: To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.
Speaker 3: But the more I studied he ushered in. Ray Tru
Speaker 3: was ushered in pop records.
Speaker 1: Like he like what we're talking about, taking gospel and
Speaker 1: making it worldly.
Speaker 3: It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking
Speaker 3: a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little
Speaker 3: bit and making it digestible for everybody.
Speaker 1: So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.
Speaker 3: It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go
Speaker 3: in and around, well, Jesus taking that that's.
Speaker 1: Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.
Speaker 6: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So then then he would he would he.
Speaker 3: Would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he would
Speaker 3: be there.
Speaker 1: Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin, but
Speaker 1: I think Marvel many. Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.
Speaker 3: So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist
Speaker 3: out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke
Speaker 3: is probably the most influential, but I think Marvin is
Speaker 3: probably the greatest Motown X solo.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot
Speaker 1: of acts on Moretown.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind
Speaker 6: of go through it.
Speaker 4: Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right,
Speaker 4: So if you go he had commercial success to you
Speaker 4: remember he had commercial successful.
Speaker 6: I like, I like Diana Rose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna retake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.
Speaker 1: And then and then now you have the person that
Speaker 1: brought R and B back? Who who?
Speaker 3: That's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where we
Speaker 3: had a conversation. Whoever, We're okay, we're focused on male,
Speaker 3: so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that
Speaker 3: way we're not even.
Speaker 11: Separate Rushmore's.
Speaker 3: We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So who is
Speaker 3: the person that brought R and B back to prominence?
Speaker 3: That's who it is, And it probably could be like
Speaker 3: see that's where it could get funny, right because you
Speaker 3: could take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.
Speaker 1: Kelly Brow and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,
Speaker 1: public yeah, Kelly, there it is so Ray Charles, H, Marvin,
Speaker 1: Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.
Speaker 6: Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respective, I'm not.
Speaker 11: I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.
Speaker 3: Not mad because I think jay Z is also the
Speaker 3: greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the
Speaker 3: Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that
Speaker 3: the greatest R and B singer of all time or
Speaker 3: the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,
Speaker 3: may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.
Speaker 1: But I'm okay with that. Ray, Charles, H, Marvin Gay,
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.
Speaker 11: That's not bad.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 3: If burst me to leave STEVIEE, but I know Stevie
Speaker 3: is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby.
Speaker 11: Yeah, shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.
Speaker 1: Big shots to Stevie.
Speaker 3: But that's the point, Like because even when we did
Speaker 3: even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,
Speaker 3: it be different like it kind of we knew Death
Speaker 3: Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip
Speaker 3: jay z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who
Speaker 3: brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam
Speaker 3: wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that
Speaker 3: it represented, this loud out, naxous energy that was like
Speaker 3: street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip
Speaker 3: hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and
Speaker 3: was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out
Speaker 3: with some tims with no socks on and an overall
Speaker 3: short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.
Speaker 3: That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL
Speaker 3: Rebirth in the grimiest setting.
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 8: I like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm a man.
Speaker 1: I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he
Speaker 1: be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,
Speaker 1: George Washington. I'm not mad at that either. But no,
Speaker 1: Ray Charles is like a really really big deal, like
Speaker 1: he wasn't like they made the pop charts, but just
Speaker 1: feel weird not having Stevie on you. But you also
Speaker 1: have to realize Ray Charles was a successful act and
Speaker 1: that's why Stevie got a shot in the first place.
Speaker 1: So he was the first person to say blinds can't
Speaker 1: do this, and I mean not just do it like
Speaker 1: Ray Charles is not Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like.
Speaker 11: Your subtle trolling this crazy coach.
Speaker 1: I don't know what.
Speaker 11: It's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see what he be doing, coach Chaos. So
Speaker 1: let me get this right. One or two a day
Speaker 1: every time he won.
Speaker 6: That know the other the craziest one was two years older.
Speaker 6: Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.
Speaker 1: Ask questions you amazing t shirts Coach Chaos.
Speaker 11: Faiths.
Speaker 1: I've been listening to Ain't a lot this this week.
Speaker 11: Somebody in the chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?
Speaker 3: Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, not at all.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: Females is gonna be really hard men and who any
Speaker 1: rippretending who else?
Speaker 11: Well, you can't do that because he didn't go Look
Speaker 11: the first one, it's probably hard.
Speaker 1: To be that she might not get on she might
Speaker 1: not know.
Speaker 6: I'm putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna.
Speaker 1: Get on that at all.
Speaker 3: The only person I know for sure it's gonna be
Speaker 3: Mary J Blige. I know for sure it's gonna be
Speaker 3: Mary J Blige.
Speaker 1: Mary J BLI gonna be at the end of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's Lincoln.
Speaker 3: She definitely re established if it ever kind of went away,
Speaker 3: because female R and B never went away.
Speaker 1: So does Beyonce not get it?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: She's not on this.
Speaker 6: Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.
Speaker 1: She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,
Speaker 1: she couldn't be on the list. So she can missed
Speaker 1: a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or
Speaker 1: is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still? But we're
Speaker 1: talking about okay, because.
Speaker 3: You gotta go post forty Ross, it's gonna be fifties
Speaker 3: sixties you said on that far Who you said fifties
Speaker 3: and sixties?
Speaker 1: I'm saying who first?
Speaker 6: You said?
Speaker 1: Probably Aretha hold On. People love to reatha I don't
Speaker 1: know why they loved it.
Speaker 3: I mean, but they loved her like they were dear
Speaker 3: to her differently, like I would love to ask my
Speaker 3: my mask my mom one time.
Speaker 1: You ain't like Aretha that much? Yeah, she's dope. I
Speaker 1: like Pata Bill more than Rita though. I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's Patty like she making pies and everything.
Speaker 6: Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.
Speaker 1: She's not on here.
Speaker 3: Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding
Speaker 3: I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.
Speaker 1: Let's figure out who is the first James A James
Speaker 1: Bell she's dope and she from La?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a James from LA? I didn't know that
Speaker 1: about Leila half the way, No, no, no way, back then, yah,
Speaker 1: I was about we might have to come what is
Speaker 1: your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female
Speaker 1: R and B You might have to come back to
Speaker 1: this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday
Speaker 1: was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly, No,
Speaker 1: let me ask, let me ask.
Speaker 6: Definitely jazz. She was scatting and everything like that.
Speaker 1: It was the first female might have to be on there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how about Gladys Knight.
Speaker 6: Gladys What it came up? What came up?
Speaker 1: Mary Welles, That's.
Speaker 3: First female R and B superstar is often associated with
Speaker 3: Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music
Speaker 3: and the first successful female R and B star, that
Speaker 3: the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with
Speaker 3: hits like the one You Really Loved You and my
Speaker 3: Guy Damn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that one, My guy.
Speaker 10: Damn.
Speaker 1: Let me see something very well.
Speaker 6: I remember not putting on the list.
Speaker 7: Because if you do the same thing with the R
Speaker 7: and B that, it's not gonna come up with Ray,
Speaker 7: It's gonna have somebody else.
Speaker 1: Had Bobby Brown Us gonna be hard to beat that.
Speaker 1: Get some mention on here, it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: be very well, shock.
Speaker 6: Sho go up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of
Speaker 1: icon Mary Wells was.
Speaker 7: That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She
Speaker 7: ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,
Speaker 7: then you can't put on this list.
Speaker 4: Then is this she in the group too?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 6: Very well?
Speaker 1: Here's one in Americas.
Speaker 5: He was in a group too, Was my guy a
Speaker 5: group song? Now without a group song? I think it
Speaker 5: was a group song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that might have been a group that.
Speaker 6: Was a group song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not who
Speaker 1: group was she in though they was? Wasn't in no group?
Speaker 6: That was a solo song that my guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I
Speaker 1: could be leave that also somebody else.
Speaker 11: Mary Wells was part of the Supremes.
Speaker 7: Was she?
Speaker 1: I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.
Speaker 1: AI be boys shit in half the time, I'm.
Speaker 10: Under said, because you know them songs like she might
Speaker 10: have sing that song and somebody else might have sing
Speaker 10: it too, though that wasn't the group. I think the
Speaker 10: Supremes did sing it right then the Supreme sing that
Speaker 10: song too.
Speaker 11: I gotta die back. That's way before my.
Speaker 6: Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.
Speaker 11: Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure.
Speaker 1: I think I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel
Speaker 1: like I don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 11: Maybe not, maybe not It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,
Speaker 11: don't mean that it's right.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because
Speaker 1: he was a big record. I'm good with Mary Wells.
Speaker 1: I don't know putting that on the Yeah, but when
Speaker 1: you read up on Mary Wells right now, like she
Speaker 1: seemed like a big deal.
Speaker 10: She seemed like she did her thing and could be
Speaker 10: I said, Dana Ross Ma first maybe Yeah, bro, I'm
Speaker 10: with donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 10: with Dina.
Speaker 1: I'm with Donad Ross.
Speaker 6: George.
Speaker 7: They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what character
Speaker 7: was based off for Oh wow, based up in manyell
Speaker 7: mm hmm, oh wow.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 6: Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.
Speaker 7: That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think
Speaker 7: that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.
Speaker 7: You got the supreme, all the supremes. And he moved
Speaker 7: on to you know what I'm saying, like she could
Speaker 7: even she gonna fall in one of these spots though,
Speaker 7: she could fall into the expansion. The expansion spot though too,
Speaker 7: because she took that she took the game out there though, too,
Speaker 7: so you could if you wanna through many wells, you
Speaker 7: can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt te Roosevelt spot too.
Speaker 1: She ain't getting that.
Speaker 6: She went so black, King Patrick, Man, come on, man, That's.
Speaker 3: What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.
Speaker 3: I think she was the first female R and B
Speaker 3: icon that we can remember.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm
Speaker 3: thinking that's what's important, right is we're remembering like George.
Speaker 3: We all know George Washington is that's not none of
Speaker 3: us go trip. Even if we don't know much about
Speaker 3: George Washington, we know that's George Washington.
Speaker 11: The same thing it's Whitney.
Speaker 1: And hold on, let's can we agree with donnad Ross
Speaker 1: and Georgian put Mike?
Speaker 6: Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And he introduced her?
Speaker 6: All right, all right, all right.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, because if you want, you gonna put
Speaker 7: Mike in there, because Mike was a pop and you
Speaker 7: can't put Whitney up in there, even that Whitney super pop.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna
Speaker 1: make a period.
Speaker 6: Whitney was pop.
Speaker 11: So what's the second criteria forgot?
Speaker 3: So it's Jefferson if they expanded it. Okay, they took
Speaker 3: it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might
Speaker 3: be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and
Speaker 3: Dona Roll.
Speaker 1: That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?
Speaker 11: Mary Wells first, Diana Ross?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it probably should be Dona Ross. Have we
Speaker 1: all heard of Mary Wells? I have obvious when you
Speaker 1: were younger.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Motown was a big deal when I was younger.
Speaker 1: Dina Ross was the queen of Motown. I know that
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind
Speaker 3: of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so
Speaker 3: just go down.
Speaker 1: She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I
Speaker 1: don't think that much, is it is?
Speaker 3: I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was
Speaker 3: like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.
Speaker 1: I mean we go married then Diana though?
Speaker 6: What about the Supremes? Though?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm with revenge.
Speaker 3: I'm with revenge, he said, I don't know Mary Wells,
Speaker 3: that's important.
Speaker 1: He knows who George washed into the gout.
Speaker 6: That makes She's probably from Canada too.
Speaker 3: I think I was the president of America before everything.
Speaker 3: That's who she represents. I think you I think you
Speaker 3: gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think
Speaker 3: you can go both. Yeah, not both, Okay, Dona Ross
Speaker 3: is George Washing. So then who took it where I
Speaker 3: said I would read the Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross.
Speaker 1: Yeah she did. I don't know if I took it
Speaker 1: away out there.
Speaker 11: Aretha Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona.
Speaker 1: Rossad frank.
Speaker 4: She had her long career all the way through, even
Speaker 4: after Dona Ross.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to
Speaker 7: go back to the to the sopruns and all that.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 7: You know what what.
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna
Speaker 3: Russell is Jefferson.
Speaker 11: That makes sense because that's what.
Speaker 6: I was expansion, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Expon Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, So Aretha then Diana Ross.
Speaker 3: Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: okay with that. That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So now the third one, and what this third one represent?
Speaker 3: Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two, Donald
Speaker 3: Ross was born in forty four, but their career started
Speaker 3: ten years apart.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first.
Speaker 1: Read it.
Speaker 4: So what's the third one third crut? What's the third one?
Speaker 1: Third one?
Speaker 3: Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out
Speaker 3: of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.
Speaker 1: The big thing, and that would be Whitney. Whitney was
Speaker 1: international act like that.
Speaker 6: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: She was the female Michael got no coming on that.
Speaker 6: That's what I was saying.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think because
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think. But she's that big. I think she.
Speaker 1: I think she was big.
Speaker 7: She was.
Speaker 4: To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,
Speaker 4: all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And the super National anthem the super Bowl the national
Speaker 1: wasn't that the super Bowl?
Speaker 6: We got the super Bowl National anthem? Different?
Speaker 1: Okaycuse not say halftime show. Yeah, that's the fact. You're right,
Speaker 1: my bad, But no, she was big.
Speaker 5: So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's
Speaker 5: not bigger than I mean, I'm from international spanding the past.
Speaker 5: If we if we were going to if we're not
Speaker 5: putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,
Speaker 5: look at the women that came out. You're right, it
Speaker 5: has to be Whitney. It has to be with me
Speaker 5: then Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not like
Speaker 5: I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts in respect.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's just try to get it right,
Speaker 1: but it probably the best vocalists to me in my
Speaker 1: mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: said she was like a niece or or something like
Speaker 1: a god daughter or some ship that makes sense with Mary.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I just.
Speaker 1: Conover Whitney as an international star.
Speaker 7: You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?
Speaker 7: They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.
Speaker 7: They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married
Speaker 7: J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you why I didn't disagree because I knew Mary J.
Speaker 3: Blige is the return of R and B.
Speaker 1: And we all agree.
Speaker 3: Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is
Speaker 3: what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?
Speaker 7: Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm time with Jefferson.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, Okay, so I kind of jumped to, uh,
Speaker 5: my only disagreement with that that with that rim party shot,
Speaker 5: I said, Beyonce too.
Speaker 7: They put they put shot there. They said, because the
Speaker 7: timeless innovation and drama elevation.
Speaker 1: This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.
Speaker 10: I mean know we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go Whitney.
Speaker 10: Why Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson. I'm not, man, Yeah,
Speaker 10: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 7: She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.
Speaker 7: That's the only thing, Like she wasn't really like R
Speaker 7: and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's
Speaker 7: the same what you say about Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked
Speaker 1: at her as R and B.
Speaker 6: They did.
Speaker 1: We're looking at hindsight now, No, they didn't look at No,
Speaker 1: they didn't know they did. It was the white people
Speaker 1: can talk ship about what I mean, they knew, they
Speaker 1: all knew she could sing her ass off. But that's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people didn't talk about Whitney.
Speaker 6: He was there, he was there.
Speaker 1: He can hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. That's not what she's saying. You didn't know.
Speaker 3: That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.
Speaker 3: That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even
Speaker 3: when I saw never too much, And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this nigga obviously was gay.
Speaker 1: But he's saying so fucking good. I was like, this
Speaker 1: nigga is the best.
Speaker 14: That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, a white
Speaker 14: people get that off coat.
Speaker 1: So what's the four for the women?
Speaker 3: Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston
Speaker 3: instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.
Speaker 1: No, it's gonna be Mary j Got they gotta be Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Guys to break the bad news to you.
Speaker 6: Mary J. Bro Back.
Speaker 1: Covers, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.
Speaker 7: You know what somebody just said about us rocked though
Speaker 7: she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,
Speaker 7: but I don't.
Speaker 6: I don't really.
Speaker 1: Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.
Speaker 3: No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into
Speaker 3: R and B and she when she went, she went.
Speaker 5: Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the
Speaker 5: genre of music. She don't fit the giant.
Speaker 1: She don't really have. What's not got to do with?
Speaker 1: It's not an R and B song, that's not that's
Speaker 1: a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd
Speaker 1: like to list you did Yeah.
Speaker 3: Behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block brought
Speaker 3: back Real lawd B.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is not mad? I'm not mad? Wait what was it?
Speaker 1: What did it say? What did that gv T say?
Speaker 7: They said it said that said all right, hold on,
Speaker 7: all right, So they said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.
Speaker 7: They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they
Speaker 7: gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that
Speaker 7: to Beyonce, the Preservation, they gave it that, Abraham Lincoln,
Speaker 7: they gave it to Mary j and the development. Theodore
Speaker 7: Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.
Speaker 1: At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're
Speaker 1: saying she was like the uh they're saying she was.
Speaker 7: Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: you said beyond.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. You said said that.
Speaker 1: Was taking Tina Turner to me.
Speaker 9: It said global, it said global reach, drama been there
Speaker 9: her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,
Speaker 9: she didn't that bring nothing new?
Speaker 6: Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new roads on it.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 6: They didn't put Diana Ross on it.
Speaker 1: Understand why you don't put Dona Ross on it? I
Speaker 1: understand why not. But I'm but I mean I would
Speaker 1: put Diana Ross I take on list because I agree
Speaker 1: with trap. She expanded.
Speaker 3: She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.
Speaker 3: She became like a national superstar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she was crazy.
Speaker 1: She was really some ship. Like that's why we know
Speaker 1: I'm about to say.
Speaker 10: And she was the one that was bringing out she
Speaker 10: put out like the Jackson five she brought out.
Speaker 7: She brought out math. You didn't do math to the world.
Speaker 7: I'm saying. She was expanding, people don'tet win movies.
Speaker 1: But it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?
Speaker 1: That's my thing?
Speaker 6: What's the name?
Speaker 1: Feel Me?
Speaker 6: Killing me? Infensive for this and she got that. Yeah,
Speaker 6: she got she got some ship. She got some ship.
Speaker 5: It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through
Speaker 5: acting for music.
Speaker 1: You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I
Speaker 1: heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always
Speaker 1: knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,
Speaker 1: I was like who.
Speaker 3: One of the things I was screaming about when dot
Speaker 3: won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.
Speaker 1: Ross gave him.
Speaker 6: He did say that. He did say that to this
Speaker 6: whole hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's man. I checked that. Nigga.
Speaker 3: I said, Dina Ross, nigga that nigga hit me back
Speaker 3: like damn. I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was
Speaker 3: like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross bro Wow,
Speaker 3: that was like a big deal. The Awards Donald and
Speaker 3: gave it to you.
Speaker 1: Then I said that what made it so crazy was
Speaker 1: that then she gave Mike his fipp.
Speaker 6: One that time.
Speaker 7: No, some like that, they said, but that was in
Speaker 7: the I wasn't for one sothing. Yeah, I'm just saying,
Speaker 7: though it was it was like that the same amount.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: It could be. Besides Dona Ross.
Speaker 3: I don't Frankling within the Houston So that looked like
Speaker 3: what the seventies I'm rolling Diana me too. What I'm
Speaker 3: saying's anybody we're not thinking about. I can't think anybody
Speaker 3: the chest seventies R and B singers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they had.
Speaker 6: To be a big deal to somebody. You saying Tammy Terrell, Oh.
Speaker 1: It was more like her and Marvin Gay, the duets
Speaker 1: about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.
Speaker 1: I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: but about the same.
Speaker 3: Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.
Speaker 3: Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, hopefully she's crazy vocally
Speaker 6: she might be a nine.
Speaker 1: I think, bro, are we tripping on Shoka like that?
Speaker 6: Shock could do that?
Speaker 1: It could be Shocked or Gladys Night, lad As Night.
Speaker 1: We have not talked about glad. I mentioned glad It's Night. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps.
Speaker 11: I used to I used to think that's what.
Speaker 1: We all thought.
Speaker 12: It was glad at Night in the Pimps, that that
Speaker 12: had me messed up when I was a kid, and
Speaker 12: that that Uh go see cal commercial they used.
Speaker 11: To play all the time.
Speaker 12: Yeah, go see caw see caw. That's what it sounded like, bro,
Speaker 12: when I was a little kid.
Speaker 1: I don't know how we've seen that ship way up
Speaker 1: in Washington.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was definitely a regional commercial for sure. But
Speaker 11: I definitely did not think you.
Speaker 4: Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh
Speaker 4: franchise up there in Washington. I was animals and ships.
Speaker 3: Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be tough to be Dona Ross man.
Speaker 5: I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,
Speaker 5: Donna Summers.
Speaker 1: That's a good list right here.
Speaker 4: That's down the Summers one given a rough for money.
Speaker 11: That's how good the music was when it's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington, Dinah
Speaker 3: Ross is Tom Jefferson, Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.
Speaker 14: Mary J.
Speaker 3: Blige is the Leacuoln. I'm gonna say with that Eddie Ray,
Speaker 3: I'm okay, I could breathe with that. I'm locking that
Speaker 3: in a lock it ro Ween mm hmm, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 6: Call a call so so la yeah up.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you
Speaker 1: fuck what you think of Mary? So?
Speaker 4: What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on
Speaker 4: both lists? What's unanimous? Like great is unanimous?
Speaker 1: Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney
Speaker 1: Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J is is unanimous? No, No,
Speaker 1: I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?
Speaker 1: As Franklin is the only unanimous one. Yeah for sure, Nah,
Speaker 1: I gotta go married. It's hard, man.
Speaker 6: I understand what the on there though.
Speaker 1: You can't Beyonce didn't bring That's what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B back
Speaker 1: with the Desney, not bring like, I'm like it was
Speaker 1: dead to be win solo no beyond started making up
Speaker 1: stopped that and then males. It was Ray Charles. That
Speaker 1: is a unanimous ones.
Speaker 3: We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,
Speaker 3: you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we
Speaker 3: said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he
Speaker 3: Steve Wonder Sure.
Speaker 1: Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay. That was a
Speaker 1: tough one. So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we
Speaker 1: kind of realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair?
Speaker 1: Six Again, Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.
Speaker 4: Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure
Speaker 4: out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.
Speaker 3: Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we
Speaker 3: all just had to accept, okay, and we all.
Speaker 1: Agreed that had to be r Kelly three unanimous is
Speaker 1: on that one? Okay? I think the male one it
Speaker 1: was definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.
Speaker 6: Of that. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna do it.
Speaker 11: I can do it.
Speaker 1: Do it.
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Speaker 1: On your statement? Gn next equal Striller. I like that
Speaker 1: shout out to No Selings.
Speaker 3: I just knew it was going to have a about
Speaker 3: five or six records that were gonna be big records,
Speaker 3: big singers.
Speaker 1: The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.
Speaker 3: It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into
Speaker 3: one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he
Speaker 3: needed to present, yet how much he needed to align
Speaker 3: himself culturally. Like I think that was important for Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went
Speaker 3: wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,
Speaker 3: Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Like at that time, probably the.
Speaker 3: Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably
Speaker 3: been Cameo, right it Candies around that time. Like I
Speaker 3: think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before
Speaker 3: that when he did Thriller, he was able to look
Speaker 3: at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of
Speaker 3: black people. Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you
Speaker 3: could hear I can't go that Rick James was destroying
Speaker 3: at that time, right.
Speaker 1: You know further problem.
Speaker 4: I was just thinking about what you just said. A
Speaker 4: lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all them
Speaker 4: started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well they
Speaker 4: started going sold them groups started going solo, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't the eighties.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was
Speaker 3: doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo
Speaker 3: was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that
Speaker 3: time in the midti Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: That's like the last group. Everybody started going solo and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy wasn't
Speaker 1: Teddy rockling around that time too? Yep, Teddy Teddy is
Speaker 1: a little earlier earlier.
Speaker 6: It was earlier eighties.
Speaker 1: Then the mid to late eighties, he was solo like
Speaker 1: in the late seventies, right, was he?
Speaker 3: I thought it was what was it was the early
Speaker 3: eighties about Teddy pinograms vocally, That's another one of your
Speaker 3: favorite votes.
Speaker 1: That's about right.
Speaker 3: I mention trapping and I think and I think Michael
Speaker 3: Jackson ignored Cameo mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I think he saw that as I wonder, what was
Speaker 1: the conversation about musicianship.
Speaker 3: Around Cameo, like how it was around James Brown, the
Speaker 3: New York Players New York City players was different. I
Speaker 3: mean they didn't really the New York Players like Cameo
Speaker 3: didn't really Cameo was out there though.
Speaker 6: They was mexing with Cameo over here. Pop.
Speaker 1: No, that was that was to me the biggest thing. Again,
Speaker 1: I was a kid. The biggest thing on the black
Speaker 1: scene to me at that time was Cameo. Bro. Cameo
Speaker 1: was like because hip hop was coming to run everything
Speaker 1: down at this point.
Speaker 3: This is mid to late eighties hip hop running everything
Speaker 3: down LLL and them starting to run sh it down.
Speaker 1: Here come in w A, here come all this rap.
Speaker 1: Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,
Speaker 1: it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: right hip He had a soft call word up that
Speaker 1: was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson, I
Speaker 1: think ignored that.
Speaker 3: So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship
Speaker 3: at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think
Speaker 3: they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked
Speaker 3: at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already
Speaker 3: had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.
Speaker 3: This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.
Speaker 3: It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked
Speaker 3: with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.
Speaker 1: We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't
Speaker 1: like a song we fucked with.
Speaker 3: So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way
Speaker 3: he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the
Speaker 3: way he looked at different black acts to kind of
Speaker 3: put black music into bad. So then you just end
Speaker 3: up with kind of this really pop offering of a
Speaker 3: bunch of records that really kind of don't have no
Speaker 3: like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson
Speaker 3: applying whatever that looks like.
Speaker 1: After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,
Speaker 1: so he had that was in them, but he was.
Speaker 3: But he already depended on it. But by that time,
Speaker 3: I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller
Speaker 3: is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So
Speaker 3: he's not touching the third.
Speaker 1: Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.
Speaker 3: This nigga for me is the man. So it's like
Speaker 3: I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had.
Speaker 3: He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, but I don't think
Speaker 3: when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as
Speaker 3: as dense culturally as let's say, Cameo.
Speaker 1: Cameo's connection to blackness.
Speaker 3: Darryl you know better than me, because you from that
Speaker 3: time period, it was deep like niggas love Cameo, like
Speaker 3: my mom loved fucking Cameo, like it was black as fuck.
Speaker 3: And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from
Speaker 3: Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why
Speaker 3: he didn't. So but so back to the point with
Speaker 3: gn X, I think the point with gen X is
Speaker 3: dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,
Speaker 3: how to make it his and then represent it at
Speaker 3: the perfect time. So it equated to him having more
Speaker 3: successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's
Speaker 3: gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.
Speaker 3: The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five
Speaker 3: or six million sol. I mean it's a different type
Speaker 3: of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that
Speaker 3: as an artist. So shout out to quin t to
Speaker 3: Quinnity cooling the Gang. That's another one, yep.
Speaker 4: So do you think Prince was able to pull from
Speaker 4: somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that
Speaker 4: better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.
Speaker 3: Michael Prince was Prince was Prince took from white people
Speaker 3: like because you know he had the time Prince put.
Speaker 1: Out the time.
Speaker 6: Prince James.
Speaker 1: Okay, Prince Prince.
Speaker 3: But by that time it was over to like by
Speaker 3: the late eighties, they wasn't quite they had already kind
Speaker 3: of hit their peak because.
Speaker 1: Uh cameo Me was a slow version of Rick James
Speaker 1: when I was growing up.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that.
Speaker 6: I'm not mad that you would know better than us,
Speaker 6: but yeah, I'm saying just.
Speaker 1: Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that
Speaker 1: they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But they was all off
Speaker 1: that funk. You know what I'm saying. It was a
Speaker 1: slower version to me. That's what Bad didn't have.
Speaker 3: He didn't have the funk funk. Yeah, Bad was just
Speaker 3: hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These records are really great
Speaker 3: pop record.
Speaker 10: Anchor talking about the Lady in My Life thriller, the
Speaker 10: way he make Billy Jem like those.
Speaker 1: Thriller that were like black songs. It wasn't bad.
Speaker 3: And that's what I think with that ship. That ship
Speaker 3: had a lot more pop records early on. But GM
Speaker 3: next is like hella, hella, hella lost as this black.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: Do you think because of how a lot of people
Speaker 5: felt about big steppers made him go g next, made
Speaker 5: him come out?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 10: I just think he made him. This guy made him
Speaker 10: do it. It was on It was on glasses. It
Speaker 10: was on glasses right there.
Speaker 1: Like sounds catch the black boy.
Speaker 6: I hate the way that.
Speaker 1: That what it did sound like to me too. I
Speaker 1: told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of
Speaker 1: the bulls.
Speaker 5: I felt the same way a lot of people felt
Speaker 5: about big steppers, a lot of people from you know.
Speaker 3: I think that real and I think but that's also
Speaker 3: why God is a better artist than I am. Like
Speaker 3: he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I keep that between me
Speaker 3: and my own ship. But doc, will you know what
Speaker 3: I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret
Speaker 3: covering that ground on that?
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't think he really give a think
Speaker 1: he was when you did covering that? Yeah. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: like a real artist, bro. That is like a much more.
Speaker 1: I'm like a real street urban culturist that became an artist.
Speaker 1: That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,
Speaker 1: but he always was an artist. So it's not about
Speaker 1: the end results. It's about him just putting his music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how it is for him, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. It's not really about where everybody else like
Speaker 3: it or not. That nigga really be making this ship
Speaker 3: and figuring it out.
Speaker 11: Do you think that was more like a like a
Speaker 11: like a self defining album.
Speaker 6: Which one remember it's like Marvin mixed up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate here my Dear
Speaker 1: or that or that or that Usher album?
Speaker 7: What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.
Speaker 7: It's divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen.
Speaker 3: Not confessions, Oh no, no, no, no, the one later
Speaker 3: it was it was it was when he got when
Speaker 3: he broke up with the old lady.
Speaker 1: Was deep as it was dope.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I forgot the name.
Speaker 3: To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,
Speaker 3: Like you have to be into the artists to really
Speaker 3: care about the records. Like that was something for him
Speaker 3: and his fans. I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a friend. I'm a fanatic gn X.
Speaker 3: I'm not a fanatic of Kendrick as like, he wouldn't
Speaker 3: be in my favorite artist He's just my nigga, that's dope.
Speaker 3: Was a nigga that I think is all time great,
Speaker 3: but he not in my list of niggas that I'm
Speaker 3: listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all
Speaker 3: time great, but that's not my ship.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 3: Gn X is the first DOT album that here I
Speaker 3: stand shut out to BV exactly. That was another one
Speaker 3: Life is Good by Nas. It's the ones where if
Speaker 3: you're into the artist, you know, I mean, that's your
Speaker 3: album that connects with them.
Speaker 7: I feel like as if as if that that Big
Speaker 7: Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice
Speaker 7: to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it
Speaker 7: was like so the people that that cut and basically
Speaker 7: speak with the city he was saying, like the father
Speaker 7: Time song, the song with the you know what I'm
Speaker 7: saying about his auntie. It was it was given a
Speaker 7: voice right there, but that.
Speaker 6: They didn't have.
Speaker 3: That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.
Speaker 3: That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.
Speaker 7: So now you felt as if I'm going that way
Speaker 7: right there, and made people like, it's not more light
Speaker 7: on that ship right there, like it was a given
Speaker 7: the light was.
Speaker 3: Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his
Speaker 3: positioning into it based off what he was going through.
Speaker 3: So it was all these mainstream topics and things like
Speaker 3: at that time, that was a big thing to talk
Speaker 3: about people being you know, what do you call those?
Speaker 1: What pronouns? That's fucked up?
Speaker 6: It's like.
Speaker 1: Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.
Speaker 1: I felt like that album is his most pop album.
Speaker 1: I know that sounds crazy. Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: album was most pop album? Yeah? Four fans like that album? Yes,
Speaker 1: so you think they came from his previous album? Was like, man,
Speaker 1: we really want to hear him talk about Yes, I
Speaker 1: think Dot's core fans is like a very mainstream person.
Speaker 3: Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,
Speaker 3: he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.
Speaker 1: Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.
Speaker 1: He know what you said. So he knows like he
Speaker 1: knows the mood of the people.
Speaker 3: It's not the mood like he's a really autist share
Speaker 3: that is he's a really great artist, bro, because it's
Speaker 3: not just the mood of people with him, like he
Speaker 3: finds himself where people are something I'm just really figuring
Speaker 3: out right now. I just figured out how to do
Speaker 3: it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how to
Speaker 3: do it pretty much since damn he figured out like
Speaker 3: two things.
Speaker 1: I just figured it out right now. I had a
Speaker 1: recordd way.
Speaker 3: Before this motherfucker, but he studied and pay attention way
Speaker 3: more so, like he found how to align himself at
Speaker 3: the time where it sat and present a perspective. I
Speaker 3: didn't figure it out till Tupac must dieing. Really now,
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, I see like I'm working on this idea.
Speaker 3: Were working on this idea. You and Trap were working
Speaker 3: on this idea, and it's like, oh yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 3: take all this shit happening and put it into the
Speaker 3: idea that never used to happen to me before. Like
Speaker 3: it was always my personal journey as an artist, as
Speaker 3: an artist to reflect what was happening. So I think God, like,
Speaker 3: like specifically with you know, big steppers, it is like here,
Speaker 3: my dear, it shout out to hymphisms. It is kind
Speaker 3: of depressing to me when I listened to it, You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It's very rooted in him. But
Speaker 3: also remember it's during the pandemic. Yes, when this is
Speaker 3: a big conversation, people hurting themselves, like he knew how
Speaker 3: to align it. I think most of Dots fans are
Speaker 3: very like a mainstream type of audience versus.
Speaker 1: Like gn X.
Speaker 3: Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream. The language
Speaker 3: ain't his mainstream. The attitude and his mainstream, but the
Speaker 3: rec are so contagious that they're digestible in a different way.
Speaker 1: That's what I saying.
Speaker 4: It seemed like every time he does it's like it
Speaker 4: fits the public, with the public scoring three.
Speaker 1: You know, this is the first time that it didn't
Speaker 1: the hell No, I think this was the public need.
Speaker 1: It's like the public needed this to happen. But this
Speaker 1: is the difference.
Speaker 3: See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This
Speaker 3: is the first time it wasn't about them, and I
Speaker 3: could tell it was about where he was at.
Speaker 1: But he was already prepared for this.
Speaker 7: I was about to say that right there, about to
Speaker 7: say a lot of times he means to he means
Speaker 7: the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're
Speaker 7: at and then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here,
Speaker 7: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I felt like he dropped this album because he felt
Speaker 1: like he needed to drop this album like he was
Speaker 1: pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like he got
Speaker 1: pumped up like a victory lap. It wasn't because that's
Speaker 1: not that. That ain't his temperament. Like you're not like that.
Speaker 1: You won't talk about the battle, we just laugh at it.
Speaker 5: Do you think he cares about the streets think about
Speaker 5: his work? And I kind of felt like the streets
Speaker 5: didn't love Big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,
Speaker 5: like I need to put this ship out there.
Speaker 6: I agree with your.
Speaker 3: Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think, not
Speaker 3: one of them records that was his thing. I don't
Speaker 3: think he really gave a fuck what none of us
Speaker 3: like the streets think. I mean when you start talking
Speaker 3: about streets, no, now street urban culture, yes, but not
Speaker 3: the streets.
Speaker 1: This album is. But that's what I mean when I
Speaker 1: say street, streets urban culture, but it's different, like this
Speaker 1: album is really for the streets, street urban culture. This
Speaker 1: is the streets.
Speaker 6: This is Yeah, A lot a lot of this album
Speaker 6: came up after that pop out.
Speaker 1: This this is like from my home, just from my home,
Speaker 1: this is where I came from it, but not just that.
Speaker 3: This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where
Speaker 3: he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's he's like
Speaker 3: this what our mom get down? Versus at first he
Speaker 3: would be trying to be a great example you feel
Speaker 3: me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,
Speaker 3: this is why I'm back. I'm on y'all last.
Speaker 4: Whatever do you think in the beginning he was trying
Speaker 4: to explain itself more than now to other people.
Speaker 1: That was the first thing I told him when I
Speaker 1: was talking to him, I was like, bro like like
Speaker 1: he was like, man, I had to grow up.
Speaker 5: But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,
Speaker 5: you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost
Speaker 5: like niggas like g niggas like that. They wasn't really
Speaker 5: feeling that big step of ship.
Speaker 1: Let me, but I really like this.
Speaker 3: I don't think he was worried about me the motherfucker
Speaker 3: doing national tours. But but I don't think I don't
Speaker 3: think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me, But big
Speaker 3: comes always matter.
Speaker 6: But check the credits. Coach e X the album, check
Speaker 6: the credits telling this.
Speaker 1: Part is like, this is him. I'm glad y'all got him.
Speaker 3: The other ship is him trying to be a better
Speaker 3: version of himself. You're getting him now. This is the
Speaker 3: nigga that I know.
Speaker 1: See all that other ship is him discovering shit about hisself,
Speaker 1: trying to be a better person, that role model. Hey hey, hey,
Speaker 1: fuck that cut up. I'm telling you, I think he
Speaker 1: dropped up. And he was like.
Speaker 11: I think as an artist, yeah, get cracking nigga. As
Speaker 11: an artist, there's always.
Speaker 5: Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.
Speaker 5: Maybe he was like, this is the record, I gotta
Speaker 5: be more me.
Speaker 3: But this is something I used to always say, Like
Speaker 3: I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm
Speaker 3: so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the
Speaker 3: world got to.
Speaker 1: Meet him, not the version of him that he wants
Speaker 1: you to meet. That's cool, and you got to meet
Speaker 1: who he is. Fucking with him and see, this ship
Speaker 1: can't be cut. This is uncut like when you make
Speaker 1: it records, you could cut it down and digestible. This
Speaker 1: hands off squabble. You mean and then so then the
Speaker 1: attitude came.
Speaker 3: From that into just him making records that fit who
Speaker 3: he is at this time, like this is by far
Speaker 3: to me, this is his most authentic album.
Speaker 5: I would just about that, ask you that before you
Speaker 5: feel like this and it's you know what the crazy
Speaker 5: thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic
Speaker 5: album come this late.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than
Speaker 3: Good king Man City, way more good kid.
Speaker 1: Mass City was more thematic and and.
Speaker 3: Like like I'm going to present the sophisticated taken to
Speaker 3: street urban culture, lifestyle and counter like I'm gonna make
Speaker 3: it artsy. This is like, yeah, nigg here we go
Speaker 3: yesterday something, give you a bunch of give you a
Speaker 3: bunch of music. It hold up yesterday. He got songs
Speaker 3: that this was all his records. Gonna have a message.
Speaker 6: That album huh on the g next.
Speaker 1: From the as a main message, sucking.
Speaker 6: With cool cool.
Speaker 1: It's the first.
Speaker 3: Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest
Speaker 3: opening of all, tell me what's more important.
Speaker 1: The nigga started the song saying this how you started
Speaker 1: the album? Yesterday? Somebody whacked out my mirror when I
Speaker 1: heard that first line. I knew he was in hours
Speaker 1: turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody whacked out
Speaker 1: my mirror. Nigga.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh so, even though big Steppers had
Speaker 5: me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,
Speaker 5: are you about to be sad about this?
Speaker 1: Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: this is Kenna that ship.
Speaker 3: I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to
Speaker 3: project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but
Speaker 3: it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they
Speaker 3: gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,
Speaker 3: they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that
Speaker 3: version in you that they thought you was cool and
Speaker 3: a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you
Speaker 3: a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have your greatest shit. Now, people gonna be
Speaker 3: looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonnaquite know.
Speaker 1: But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really
Speaker 1: that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool? Like
Speaker 1: you get cracking, show them, show them, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: screaming at by show them stop playing. Fuck all that nigga,
Speaker 1: get to it, make this shit happen. So this album
Speaker 1: right here, he was the most comfortable with being himself.
Speaker 1: And that's what he said. He tried to grow up, mature,
Speaker 1: He had the maturity, tried to grow up because that's all.
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the
Speaker 3: best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,
Speaker 3: but it's okay also to just beat us.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 5: You as an artist when you heard that out gn X,
Speaker 5: did you did you say, Okay, hold him now first listen.
Speaker 1: I told Trump, I said this is the best album before.
Speaker 1: But did you did it inspire you as artists?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 3: Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard
Speaker 3: for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte
Speaker 3: niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that
Speaker 3: none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.
Speaker 1: So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.
Speaker 3: I've been listening to very white war ain't no, ain't
Speaker 3: in there hip hop can inspire me no more.
Speaker 1: I feel that this is past that.
Speaker 3: Like I'm I'm I'm at the core black music like now,
Speaker 3: I'm at the hardest shoal of it. Like I'm playing
Speaker 3: all kinds of fly shit. I'm playing Nigga'm playing Stevie
Speaker 3: Wonder Nigga like for real. And I'm like, and I
Speaker 3: don't make a rap song that's like this. That's like
Speaker 3: I came up with idea for a song that was like, uh,
Speaker 3: I was made to love you. It's nothing, nothing like that,
Speaker 3: but it's like that.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like your next album you drop
Speaker 1: is gonna be soft food? I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I'm gonna do an album. I don't
Speaker 1: even know if I question something. I don't know.
Speaker 3: But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm
Speaker 3: about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker
Speaker 3: or you feel me and it ain't I don't can't
Speaker 3: nobody tell me nothing about.
Speaker 1: Hip hop no more? Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like I love it too much.
Speaker 3: I'm realizing most people don't love it enough to be
Speaker 3: talking to me about it, And I have no idea.
Speaker 3: They don't have no business talking to me about this.
Speaker 3: They don't love this shit like me, don't talk to
Speaker 3: me about it. If you it's like a nigga that
Speaker 3: don't really love it. Like nigga, you can't talk to
Speaker 3: me because you want You don't. You ain't finna go
Speaker 3: through what I'm finna go through to do it. Nigga,
Speaker 3: I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs like I love it.
Speaker 3: It ain't about no money, it ain't about none of that,
Speaker 3: but this will love. You have to develop though, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't love it at first. I didn't know nothing
Speaker 3: about it, but now that I do, like, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: keep looking. So all you can do is tell me
Speaker 3: where to go. But really there's no more space for
Speaker 3: hip hop to truly inspire me.
Speaker 1: So so so what you're saying all this your best
Speaker 1: music is to come. You think your music in front
Speaker 1: of you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from
Speaker 5: you that's coming out and all the other ship, this
Speaker 5: shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: Look all your ship, but this shit is on.
Speaker 3: Some now because now it's like if you listening to
Speaker 3: very white bro, if you listening to real like black
Speaker 3: music at this court Marvin Gay.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just off of like some shit for me.
Speaker 1: So it's like like it's the only greatness that could
Speaker 1: fuck with it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Like it's.
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see
Speaker 3: them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay
Speaker 3: as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like
Speaker 3: the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,
Speaker 3: they had to be you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: they had a limited amount of rap, like I would
Speaker 3: imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,
Speaker 3: Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 5: Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this
Speaker 5: guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R
Speaker 5: and B and they were like, who this gotta be
Speaker 5: in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do
Speaker 5: you feel like at this point in time you you
Speaker 5: the burier right of hip because it's.
Speaker 3: The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,
Speaker 3: even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and
Speaker 3: whole and face, the guys I love Kanye that's not.
Speaker 10: Great enough, Like this is not no more where you
Speaker 10: put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.
Speaker 10: For sure, he's in the conversations.
Speaker 1: Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be
Speaker 1: the the al Green with Who would he be right now?
Speaker 1: If I had to pick an act.
Speaker 3: In comedy, he'd be daz Ja pel mhmm right to me,
Speaker 3: like he just got it pegged down and in R and.
Speaker 1: B music or music outside of hip hop. Probably Marvin Gay,
Speaker 1: you think so? Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who
Speaker 1: I envisioned him.
Speaker 3: When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,
Speaker 3: like you know what I mean, Like I think early
Speaker 3: Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure
Speaker 3: people understood what he was doing. But I think when
Speaker 3: he caught his stride, it was like and he was
Speaker 3: always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He
Speaker 3: hadn't hit records.
Speaker 1: He was popping.
Speaker 3: But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Like he's like he like he found this
Speaker 3: level of soul at a time when it was really needed.
Speaker 3: It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit
Speaker 3: like this ain't even like other like people saying he
Speaker 3: just went West Coast, Like even the musicianship of adding
Speaker 3: basis like a lot of music is just you know,
Speaker 3: not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other
Speaker 3: West Coast music it's kind of eight A waights and melodies.
Speaker 1: They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.
Speaker 1: Like and for him to kind of go put that
Speaker 1: frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay
Speaker 1: to me, you know what I mean, Like like he
Speaker 1: like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay
Speaker 1: was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end
Speaker 1: of his career, you really could see this China wind
Speaker 1: of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And
Speaker 1: I think with Dot, you know, even if this is
Speaker 1: the last album, I think we got like the most.
Speaker 3: Unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga
Speaker 3: when the world needed a nigga too.
Speaker 1: But why are you okay last album? You think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, It depends.
Speaker 1: I think he needs to be motivated to create.
Speaker 3: I don't think he like this ain't the business like
Speaker 3: he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business.
Speaker 3: Like I think his business is raising his kids and
Speaker 3: living his life. He made enough money to be fund
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. He's straight, so it'll be
Speaker 3: hard for him to motivate himself for money, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, or just to put out another album,
Speaker 3: like he would have to have like a story that
Speaker 3: he wants to tell. And you know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know what motivated him at this point.
Speaker 3: How do you get motivated after this? Usually people get
Speaker 3: motivated after this because of money, But like now, you
Speaker 3: you already made money.
Speaker 1: You already had a national tour for me this.
Speaker 3: You have multiple national arena tours, you have multiple number
Speaker 3: ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle, Like, right,
Speaker 3: you just super Bowl five games for one song, give
Speaker 3: me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to
Speaker 3: kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend
Speaker 3: a lot of time away from your family, right, You're
Speaker 3: finna be on this role. He already spent a lot
Speaker 3: of time away from his family now, so it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, they don't want to raise his kids and
Speaker 3: all of that that shit mattered to him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our
Speaker 5: Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,
Speaker 5: I honestly think it might be the best route Mount
Speaker 5: worsh Moore that could be put put together.
Speaker 1: They think it's gonna be the best.
Speaker 5: I'm interested to see other people my mind worsh More,
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you
Speaker 1: say we got the best one, I think we got
Speaker 1: the best one.
Speaker 5: I'm really I want to see others, but I think
Speaker 5: that I think those are the two best Mount rush
Speaker 5: More for the male female for sure, male female male.
Speaker 5: I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of
Speaker 5: the other best. Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,
Speaker 3: thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for
Speaker 3: Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.
Speaker 3: Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.
Speaker 1: What do you think you're six Maya vocally? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,
Speaker 1: like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, six seven is fair, theyself love, thank you for
Speaker 3: the two dollars.
Speaker 1: Play take him on the deep dive of Brandy. I
Speaker 1: got you all a copella too. I don't want no
Speaker 1: fucking music.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna shave the ropes.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The
Speaker 3: instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made
Speaker 3: that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example
Speaker 3: was beautifully crafty.
Speaker 1: Nigga.
Speaker 3: I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South
Speaker 3: Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so
Speaker 3: proud of you, bro. He got so dope. Man, Him
Speaker 3: and Ali, them niggas got hello dope. That's young and devoted.
Speaker 3: They've been devoted, so all the best things should happen
Speaker 3: to them. Man, they hello dope. Shout out to Nick,
Speaker 3: thank you for that five dollars. Shout out to g
Speaker 3: and the lunch table east side that port yep Wes.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Mow they self love for the two dollars. No,
Speaker 3: mister Morale slander.
Speaker 1: I just slander it. I just said it sounded like
Speaker 1: cast scratching paper that.
Speaker 6: What's that?
Speaker 1: What's that he's saying that he don't get. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's that bad.
Speaker 5: He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself, if
Speaker 5: it's a glasses fact, it means.
Speaker 1: Is it really slander? Super stretching. It wasn't like a
Speaker 1: pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue
Speaker 1: with the lady on that solid Yeah, not my favorite
Speaker 1: the cards trap off that you dirty ass bitch, you
Speaker 1: punk ass, that's your I.
Speaker 6: Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize
Speaker 6: how great it was.
Speaker 5: Trap You listened to it one time because there was
Speaker 5: nothing else play backable, like you didn't want to listen.
Speaker 1: That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.
Speaker 3: That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all
Speaker 3: the albums at least a couple of times straight through,
Speaker 3: right because he that type of artist. Damn was my
Speaker 3: Damn was my Probably the it was the second or
Speaker 3: third best one section eighty was up there see your
Speaker 3: next by far as just the ship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when
Speaker 1: see and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses
Speaker 1: he said, we cried together. It's fire. Just fire wouldn't
Speaker 1: be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.
Speaker 1: I know like fire, Bro, I didnt know. I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna like the big steppers when too many young kids
Speaker 1: like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes, too many
Speaker 1: Step and six on me.
Speaker 6: You heard father niggas.
Speaker 3: You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do
Speaker 3: appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge
Speaker 3: Kanye West fan.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's
Speaker 5: better big Steppers or g next to y'all.
Speaker 11: They're completely different albums.
Speaker 1: For different albums, but one is better than others to y'all.
Speaker 12: It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward
Speaker 12: to a point Guard shout.
Speaker 1: Out to and I'm listening to that. Motherfucker.
Speaker 3: Now, gee, you listen to this nigga argue with this
Speaker 3: lady on this song in the middle of this. You
Speaker 3: a sick nigga, bro.
Speaker 7: You just like you.
Speaker 12: I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but
Speaker 12: that that I can't pick that one moment and judged
Speaker 12: the whole album for that.
Speaker 1: But the whole album is sad.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but I mean some people are said, I understand.
Speaker 1: That's that's why I said.
Speaker 3: It sound like the pain of cat scratching papers like
Speaker 3: shout Out to thank You for Do Dollars, my favorite
Speaker 3: album still in rotation all day.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 3: I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,
Speaker 3: He said, I hate to say it being from Watts,
Speaker 3: but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,
Speaker 3: Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.
Speaker 6: Go ahead and they I think that.
Speaker 1: Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.
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