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<v Speaker 3>Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No

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<v Speaker 1>So many people that in the sports world that come

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<v Speaker 1>from there tell us about the people from the sports

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<v Speaker 1>world that come there.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, man, Doors just talk about the boys. Sneal from

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<v Speaker 4>the Los Angeles Dodgers. That's heard a picture Tony Sneill.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh yeah, you're talking about uh yeah, Brett he's playing

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<v Speaker 5>for Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but he's from Seattle and we were just talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that.

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<v Speaker 4>He sponsors a love Seattle Select team up there right now.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's where the bats came up.

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<v Speaker 4>At because this team gets all the special equipment up there.

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<v Speaker 5>I know it's some dudes from Seattle for sure. You

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<v Speaker 5>know that because I know, uh, Jamal Carver from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Who else from Seattle?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, it's it's it's it's some guards that came from

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<v Speaker 5>Seattle for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>From the NBA, Bradley Beal from Tacoma. Oh, Brady to

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<v Speaker 1>come yeah, okay, you know, but Isaiah Thomas from Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's from Seattle. T I t Yeah, from Seattle, Washington.

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<v Speaker 6>What saying? How many sports players come from up there?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, they got mc breed, I mean know, they got

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<v Speaker 1>to mix a lot. Well, yeah, it's about sports. He

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<v Speaker 1>was talking about sports people. King is from Brandon Roy,

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<v Speaker 1>He from Washington. Brandon Roy Brennon Roy from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 6>Seattle, Yeah, from Seattle.

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<v Speaker 5>Brandon Roy might have been the might have been the

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<v Speaker 5>best hooper from Seattle. Nah, who better than Brandon Roy?

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<v Speaker 7>Nate Robinson Robinson saying better than I'm not saying better

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<v Speaker 7>than Brandon Roy though, Nate Robinson Trump, Nate Robinson isn't

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<v Speaker 7>he from up there?

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<v Speaker 1>He's not better than Brandon Roy.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>From Seattle, like Brandon Roy and his prime before he

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<v Speaker 1>got in jured? Nice?

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<v Speaker 6>Crazy?

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<v Speaker 7>What's good? Joah, what's happening? No, I'm not trying cooland

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<v Speaker 7>man and ready for the ready for the ready.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think it's time we doubled back. You

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<v Speaker 1>feel me?

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<v Speaker 3>And this conversation became bigger than we wanted it to be,

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<v Speaker 3>so I figured like you might as well expound on

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<v Speaker 3>it because we wasn't even really tripping off of the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation of R and B, but it spawned a whole

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<v Speaker 3>other conversation where somebody did the Mount Rushmore. I was like, damn,

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<v Speaker 3>didn't really work.

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<v Speaker 6>Great.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the crack hea for Mount Rushmore? That's a great question. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to do the Mount Rushmore. How'll we

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<v Speaker 1>double him back.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I just want to expand further on the conversation

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<v Speaker 3>because I wouldn't have Mike in R and B, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I want to ask you about that, because when

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<v Speaker 5>people ask me about this shit, they was like, so,

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<v Speaker 5>what what's the crack here for R and B? And

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<v Speaker 5>what's so is Mike R and B? Because I know

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<v Speaker 5>you say he's pop, but he.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes pop music a lot, but he does have R

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<v Speaker 1>and B songs in the earlier stages of his career.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if I would say that because

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson five is pop? How do we categorize pop though

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<v Speaker 1>that's not what we do.

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<v Speaker 3>You're making popular when the goal is to make popular, Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>So R and B initially was considered race music, right,

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<v Speaker 3>That's what they called it race music because at one

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<v Speaker 3>time black people were considered people of race, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>white people con themselves of race just them and it

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<v Speaker 3>is everybody else but in us, right, So that like

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<v Speaker 3>when Wexler made the term R and B, you feel me,

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<v Speaker 3>that was a term coin So it was considered black

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<v Speaker 3>music R and B. So anybody black making music, I

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<v Speaker 3>guess some degree you could say that that's some level

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<v Speaker 3>of R and B, like funk would have to be

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<v Speaker 3>a descendant of R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think people understand what R and B means,

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<v Speaker 1>So can you explain that rhythm and blues? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So it's like but Lewis Jordan right as being

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<v Speaker 3>one of the early founders of it, right, this is

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<v Speaker 3>in the forties, but it went through different stages right

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<v Speaker 3>in sub genres. Right, so is a derivative of R

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<v Speaker 3>and B. So I guess it all is. But pop

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<v Speaker 3>music probably could be a derivative of soul, right. Ray

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<v Speaker 3>Charles is probably the father of modern modern pop music.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just I wouldn't have thought that deep, So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not mad at it. I do think pop music

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<v Speaker 3>is black music that white people.

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<v Speaker 8>Make almost wow search stature popularity, no, no, no, And

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<v Speaker 8>I think that's just so so when you don't make music,

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<v Speaker 8>that's how it feels.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like whatever goes popular becomes pop music. But some

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<v Speaker 3>music was actually created to be popular for the mast

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<v Speaker 3>from the beginning, like.

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<v Speaker 4>For everybody, like not just one sector of people, for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like like like like Kentucky fried chicken was

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<v Speaker 3>like soul food for everybody. But I do think Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson has R and B songs, but I wouldn't consider

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<v Speaker 3>that part of his catalog to be like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the greatest R and B catalogs of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question, what at.

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<v Speaker 5>A certain point in his career, what was what could

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<v Speaker 5>be considered R and B after because everything he's don't

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<v Speaker 5>put out was popular music everything.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's different, like because remember the time, right, that's

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<v Speaker 1>R and B. That's a new.

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<v Speaker 6>RBN.

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<v Speaker 3>But songs like Thriller, that's kind of pop, right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>a it's a play beat.

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<v Speaker 1>It so is Lady of My Life?

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<v Speaker 6>What is what is Lady of My Life?

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<v Speaker 1>Lady my Life?

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<v Speaker 9>Is r B?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, lady that's who you used that? Yeah, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 3>r B like he does have. I mean, it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>just so, it's just so weird. Thing is pop derived

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<v Speaker 3>from funk? Is that the closest connection you could because you.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, no, I think pop the rash from soul?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so so music, Ray Charles wouldn't be R and

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<v Speaker 3>B the rib from So No, R and B is

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<v Speaker 3>the father of soul. R and B is before, So

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<v Speaker 3>R and B is before. R and B is the

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<v Speaker 3>father of so what.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you consider uh uh, little Richard.

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<v Speaker 10>See, I would have thought he was rock and roll, rock,

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<v Speaker 10>rock rock. Little Richard is rock because.

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<v Speaker 7>Rock rock was rock was like like we we think

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<v Speaker 7>of rock as being the.

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<v Speaker 6>Rock wasn't have to do it. It was a groove

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<v Speaker 6>was growing.

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<v Speaker 3>All of these things are really small, nuanced things that

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<v Speaker 3>make it different. But I just wouldn't have thought of

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<v Speaker 3>Mike as a as a great art like, well, forgive me,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not the right time, because he's a great R

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<v Speaker 3>and B when he has R.

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<v Speaker 1>And B songs.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's so many dope ass people that have a

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<v Speaker 3>bigger and better R and B catalog of music than

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not not so many neither that was off the

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<v Speaker 1>wall was off the wall R and B album Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's post disco like disco. It did R and B songs.

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<v Speaker 3>So but there are talents, right, And that's why we

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<v Speaker 3>gotta really look at the eighties and the nineties. I

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<v Speaker 3>respect why even that dude's list had that era, because

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<v Speaker 3>really R and B didn't become R and B the

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<v Speaker 3>way we know it as far as really pure R

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<v Speaker 3>and B until the late eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder who would they say, put out the first

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<v Speaker 1>R and B album, It's gonna be somebody in the forties,

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<v Speaker 1>like Louis Jordan is talking about, Like, Okay, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the eighties.

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<v Speaker 6>Though.

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<v Speaker 1>In the eighties when you think it was really blossoming

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<v Speaker 1>to the R and B we think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they consider the first R and B superstar Bobby Brown,

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<v Speaker 3>don't be cruel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the kind of widely considered thought, at least amongst

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<v Speaker 1>people I talked to that fuck with R and B

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<v Speaker 1>and he still had rhythm and blues feel to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which is shout out to New York Hallum. You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I'm saying, Teddy Riley mm hmm. That's why

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<v Speaker 3>I put so much emphasis probably on That's why I

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<v Speaker 3>put so much emphasis probably on like, uh, the Key

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<v Speaker 3>Sweat Record, the Key Sweat Album.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh, what's the time I'm thinking about the traps?

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like see.

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<v Speaker 3>So while my favorite R and B album is probably

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<v Speaker 3>like like, uh Unpredictable by Jamie Fox, I think the greatest.

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<v Speaker 6>That is so crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>Crazy trap that was crazy when he told me that.

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<v Speaker 1>When he told me that too.

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<v Speaker 3>And don't get wrong, because it's not because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to be the artist like, it's not. Jamie Fox

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<v Speaker 3>is more than a qualified artist and sing really well,

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<v Speaker 3>he can execute well. He's not bad. He's like a

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<v Speaker 3>top tier talent. But that album just is my favorite,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wouldn't argue it for being the greatest. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not saying it's one of the GUFA. I'm telling you

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<v Speaker 3>what y'all think. This is objective, right, and it's my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite in the jam that's not that's a great album.

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<v Speaker 1>This is.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes to that conversation where like when we say,

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<v Speaker 3>what's the better album bad or Bad or make it

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<v Speaker 3>last favor? And I can tell y'all bet Bad is

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<v Speaker 3>a better album than Make It Last fact it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now that sounds crazy because Bad is obviously Michael Jackson.

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<v Speaker 3>It don't mean Keith Sweat is a more successful artist

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<v Speaker 3>than Michael Jackson or a greater artist or a better artist.

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<v Speaker 5>But it just means, like how you put it up

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<v Speaker 5>for TC, put a number on Bad as a as

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<v Speaker 5>a as.

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<v Speaker 10>A record as the bad single is whack. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 10>the single bad is whack or it's not bad bad,

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<v Speaker 10>it is horrible, But I cannot.

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<v Speaker 7>They shot that video inside of a new York City train.

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<v Speaker 7>My mother work that my mother worked the train clerk that.

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<v Speaker 6>You know what I'm saying that.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't believe I'm saying this, But I grew with

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<v Speaker 5>glasses man. But that was not good.

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<v Speaker 1>That is whack.

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<v Speaker 3>The single was wack speed I agree to I don't

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<v Speaker 3>like that song like that demon is whack.

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<v Speaker 1>I disagree, you know, I just so it was great

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<v Speaker 1>when I was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was a little kid and and that movie

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<v Speaker 3>came out and he was racing against that little animated rabbit.

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<v Speaker 3>That was like the greatest thing in the world to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But as I get older and I'm listening, what what

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<v Speaker 3>the fuck is this.

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<v Speaker 6>Tripping boss?

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<v Speaker 1>Boss?

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<v Speaker 6>They tripping boss?

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<v Speaker 7>I knew.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew that video was like as a kid, like

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<v Speaker 1>the video.

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<v Speaker 5>Was amazing, them getting together and circling each other and

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<v Speaker 5>snapping their fingers.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, I.

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<v Speaker 10>Got you know New York City Train shut the train

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<v Speaker 10>station down. Had had had some of the best dances

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<v Speaker 10>in the video, like got Crazy Dan was an amazing video.

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<v Speaker 5>Growing up in Inglewood, I'm watching this video and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 5>you understand that, Yeah, I say, maybe, what is it

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<v Speaker 5>to understand?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't get it? I didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 10>Hold on, when you you telling me when you came

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<v Speaker 10>to New York you're on the train, didn't think first

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<v Speaker 10>thing he thought it was the Bad Hell No, I

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<v Speaker 10>had to think about before I thought. I never until

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<v Speaker 10>you just said that, I was like, oh man, I

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<v Speaker 10>never even thought that.

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<v Speaker 6>That was That was J Street bro or train station

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<v Speaker 6>in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>No bad ship I saw on train stations from hip hop.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have never in my life thought of Bad.

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<v Speaker 6>That was an amazing video. That was an amazing video.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I'm not mad, I think look I think Bad.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Make It Last for Ever is a better

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<v Speaker 3>album and a more important album than Bad, and.

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<v Speaker 10>A better album period just music, sheer music. I agree

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<v Speaker 10>with you, but again, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Mean that ain't to say, but Make It Last Ever

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<v Speaker 3>is probably one of the greatest R and B albums ever, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it launched the genre and launched the movement.

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<v Speaker 1>It launched a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, Michael Jackson thought Bad was so good he

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<v Speaker 3>went and got the producer of Maga Last Ever to do.

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<v Speaker 1>His next album. So Michael Jackson agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to the lunch table that think I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>being fair but Michael Jackson agreed. He was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not messing with Quincy no more. I'm going to Teddy Riley.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fact.

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<v Speaker 11>He was good for that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not a glasses fact. That's a fact. He did

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<v Speaker 1>that so that he saw that Keith Sweat, he saw

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<v Speaker 1>that Bobby Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, I'm going to get one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>What we was doing is a thing of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go do this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how much he thought Bad and Make It Last

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<v Speaker 3>Ever came out close to each other. He saw Bad

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<v Speaker 3>whooping his ass. Black people wasn't fucking with Bad. He

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<v Speaker 3>saw make It Last Forever whooping his ass. Because Megan

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<v Speaker 3>Last Forever is better than Bad. I've been saying this

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<v Speaker 3>for years people. The fact that people even marking Crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think you as a song the album.

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<v Speaker 6>It's an album.

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<v Speaker 11>Oh no, I'm not rolling.

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<v Speaker 1>As he check out now you're saying the song for

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<v Speaker 1>two years about this man and girl, it's better than

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<v Speaker 1>any song gonna make It Last Forever. I'm not rolling,

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<v Speaker 1>not Bery and Girl.

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<v Speaker 10>Nigga's a volunten song of the album.

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<v Speaker 1>I Want Her. It's better than every song on Bad. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to agree. That I want her. It's better

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<v Speaker 1>than every last song.

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<v Speaker 6>On Bad Bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's overrated guys very much.

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<v Speaker 7>So are you saying you're saying Bad is the best

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<v Speaker 7>R and B album of all time? No, not Bad

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<v Speaker 7>Bad Bad. I mean, I mean make a last feather.

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<v Speaker 10>No, that's that's his Confession A better Confessions.

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<v Speaker 6>I forgot? Is it better Confessions?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, no, no, no it's not better. No it's not.

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<v Speaker 3>But I prefer Unpredictable over Confessions. Even though Confessions is

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<v Speaker 3>a greater album.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make sense? Yeah, like it's obvious that album.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know again we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, because I feel like, uh, off the Wall

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<v Speaker 5>a better album than Thriller, But I think Thriller is

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<v Speaker 5>the greater album.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's and that's what we talk about. The quant

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<v Speaker 1>to find greatness.

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<v Speaker 11>I ain't mad at that.

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<v Speaker 3>I think R Kelly and Us should really have a

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<v Speaker 3>claim to be on there.

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<v Speaker 1>They really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Like R Kelly easily could be there all time, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that wouldn't even be crazy, Like I wouldn't even debate

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<v Speaker 3>someone saying that R.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly is the grad is R and B actor. It's

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<v Speaker 1>R Kelly like he's a monster. Can I ask you

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<v Speaker 1>a question, though?

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<v Speaker 5>Do we sleep on babyface when we start talking about

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<v Speaker 5>this R and B My first.

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<v Speaker 1>One, because we talk about artists.

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<v Speaker 6>Are the only artist his pets.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's a nice R and B artist talking about artist,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I get him.

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<v Speaker 3>R Kelly and Usher really has a claim to probably

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<v Speaker 3>be the greatest R and B act. But my issue

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<v Speaker 3>is Michael Jackson's claim is not stronger than Stevie Wonder's claim.

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<v Speaker 5>If we talking about artists, if we just straight up artistry. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>then Michael Jackson's claim is stronger than Stevie.

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<v Speaker 12>I don't know, man, because I think how Stevie Wonder

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<v Speaker 12>wrote and produced for Michael Jackson too. But we said

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<v Speaker 12>what we're talking, We saying this artist though, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 12>that Michael Jackson's artistry baby Face back in the conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Chris Brown on that list, Michael Jackson. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not quite sure as far as just pure R and B.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying not pure R and B like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and again, like we can kind of say pop is

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<v Speaker 3>a is a subgenre of R and B because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a sub genre of soul. But I probably would, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's hard for me not to imagine the world without

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<v Speaker 3>songs in the Key of Life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my favorite album of all time right there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really tough, Like that's the that's kind of the jit,

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<v Speaker 3>Like that's R and B and soul like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>the pinnacle, you know what I mean, somebody really using

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<v Speaker 3>black music.

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<v Speaker 1>So when does R and B change? I think R

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<v Speaker 1>and B the way we see it is really in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighties. Okay, that's what you were saying, coach.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I think we look at a lot of other

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<v Speaker 3>stuff before, as all of the the originals were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of fixing every like they were kind of starting to

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<v Speaker 3>experiment with everything.

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<v Speaker 1>So what changed in R and B in the eighties

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<v Speaker 1>It just got pure.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they changed it to contemporary army where it

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<v Speaker 3>started kind of being obviously just that.

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<v Speaker 6>They say.

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<v Speaker 5>Ratchet this to R and B two though, like I

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<v Speaker 5>think it kind of made R and B a little

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<v Speaker 5>more edgy in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I got a little more edgy.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not upset at that, but I just couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>imagine the world without Stevie Wonders songs in the kid life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the most important.

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<v Speaker 3>And if that's the case, then we are we If

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<v Speaker 3>we putting Michael Jackson in there, then we have to

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<v Speaker 3>put prints in it. So we're gonna put them all

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<v Speaker 3>in there. It's gonna be really tough for.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me, it's really tough for Chris Brown, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>really gonna start being tough for us, You're and R Kelly,

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<v Speaker 3>because now if you're just gonna take all of this

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<v Speaker 3>black music, you know that came from R and B,

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<v Speaker 3>and you gotta put Prince now do R Kelly got

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<v Speaker 3>an album as great as let's say, Purple Rain.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably not, that's who R Kelly. Probably that Double.

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<v Speaker 5>Purple, that Double Us City called the game Trap was

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<v Speaker 5>all right, it was called all He thought he got

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<v Speaker 5>another one. I thought it was all.

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<v Speaker 7>One that was read in black, the one that was

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<v Speaker 7>read in black, the double CD joint, everything about twelve

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<v Speaker 7>play two.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I know he got one with like thirty thirty

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<v Speaker 5>songs on it, and the only problem a bunch of

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<v Speaker 5>great songs on there. Well, in thirty songs, you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to have about six or seven of them that we're

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<v Speaker 5>just and I think that Purple Rain, Man the Rain

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<v Speaker 5>was a great album.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm saying, so this becomes my problem.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, It's like, okay, if we're not gonna try to

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<v Speaker 3>do pure R and B and it just becomes R

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<v Speaker 3>and B and all sub genres, you're gonna have a fight.

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<v Speaker 3>It's gonna be some records in there that probably ain't

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<v Speaker 3>even just black artists exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's crazy. I was gonna ask that question.

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<v Speaker 5>Was known as race at first, that take white people

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<v Speaker 5>out of the conversation altogether.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it brought race. I think it brought white

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<v Speaker 1>people into the conversation when they changed it to R

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<v Speaker 1>and B so.

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<v Speaker 5>You could throw Have you ever heard of an artist

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<v Speaker 5>named John Billion?

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<v Speaker 11>Of course, that's one of my favorite artists.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro Okay, I love John Billions.

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<v Speaker 3>I really don't like the only white singers I like.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't say that. I don't really consider most white

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<v Speaker 3>people really good singers. I think people sing really good

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<v Speaker 3>for white people. I think if you listen to have

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<v Speaker 3>like like Tina Marie Sings.

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<v Speaker 10>Is Cold, Hall of Notes, Darryl Hall, some of these dudes, like,

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<v Speaker 10>it's some that really get cracking.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just saint Finnish like Mariah Carey.

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<v Speaker 3>That's out forgive me, Bobby can't. I've got a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of songs Bob in there. Bob got that tone. But

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<v Speaker 3>like that's my point. So Michael McDonald, yep, yep, Michael,

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<v Speaker 3>see like you have to start putting Michael McDonald, dude, brother, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Start talking some shit gonna get crazy.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think we go all the way back, like

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<v Speaker 5>you said, you might have to start with in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Start at the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Mark Gear, Shout out to everybody at

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<v Speaker 3>the lunch table. Everybody cooking early because is like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>were on this conversation. I knew this conversation is gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be crazy. Softie, what's up?

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<v Speaker 6>Eight?

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<v Speaker 1>And age fast? Boss? What's up? Rough Squish? Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being here? V? What's the deal? Bro?

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<v Speaker 3>Joey Westside, thank you for moderating, Santy Squisch Lext what's

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<v Speaker 3>shut up?

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<v Speaker 11>Next?

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<v Speaker 1>I expect you to call in on this conversation. Boss.

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<v Speaker 3>I know I'm gonna piss you off a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>but just work with me. Yato name, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 11>Cool?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the deal? We're gonna get to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get going because there's a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>cooking at the table, so I can't go through all

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<v Speaker 3>the names. Thank y'all for being here because we're trying

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<v Speaker 3>to work it out. Trying to work it out. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I think Mariah is a great singer for like a

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<v Speaker 3>white person.

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<v Speaker 6>Shit ladies, man, come on.

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<v Speaker 1>You no like you know what I mean? No, she's

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<v Speaker 1>the no, So.

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<v Speaker 11>I see what you are.

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<v Speaker 6>Ryan can't saying I never see highlight that comment.

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<v Speaker 11>Ro can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody here said I did not see.

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<v Speaker 6>You said Brandy can't tell? You said Brandy can't.

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<v Speaker 10>The other day I did not say Brandy the mnus, well,

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<v Speaker 10>you might as well said that.

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<v Speaker 6>You might as well said that.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I did not say Brandy said she was a seventh.

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<v Speaker 10>You said she was assessing and she was an eight.

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<v Speaker 6>Same thing, it's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wheeney Houston and Many Rippleton is tens. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's cap.

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<v Speaker 5>So when Winnie Howston is a ten, what's cap Miny

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<v Speaker 5>Rippleton is like a seven?

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, no, no no, no, coach, coach, coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I know you don't know that, but I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go back. I had to go back and listen to

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<v Speaker 1>many like you talking about a ten. She's not what

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong with your ears? I'm talking about vocally, she's

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<v Speaker 1>not a ten like she had a great song.

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<v Speaker 11>Let let's.

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<v Speaker 1>Let him cook for let him cook for a while.

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<v Speaker 5>Women, six six mini Rippleton vocally is a ten. Ripper

0:24:27.280 --> 0:24:30.960
<v Speaker 5>ripper ten is attend to you what vocally?

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<v Speaker 11>Finish your thought? And then I'll expound.

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<v Speaker 12>No, I'm I'm asking, yeah, yeah, yeah, anywhere it's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So women, what song? What song was she? Vocally? So

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<v Speaker 1>great on.

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<v Speaker 6>That last he got he Got touched the memory?

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<v Speaker 1>Just play loving You, I do play.

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<v Speaker 5>It's one of her best songs, and what are ya

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<v Speaker 5>getting from that to where she's a ten?

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<v Speaker 1>Vocally?

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<v Speaker 11>She had a whistlebody else and music that she had

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<v Speaker 11>a whistle.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing, nobody, nobody else in music can do it.

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<v Speaker 6>I knew it.

0:25:05.000 --> 0:25:09.840
<v Speaker 1>I knew that what y'all thinking all the way Mariah

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>carry and in that case the Malaya's for sure. But

0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 1>Maria is not Many. That's the problem with your This

0:25:16.440 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>is like me watching basketball. You're watching basket. I look

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 1>at somebody cross over and notice it's just across over.

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:24.120
<v Speaker 1>You see the Nuances is a ten?

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<v Speaker 10>Many carry cannot hold nothing is Diana Russell.

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Then also, here we.

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<v Speaker 11>Go, I got this is how I got out of

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:35.000
<v Speaker 11>the pocket last week because you just.

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>Out of control and so and so I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>only crazy and not many, not one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Many, for sure. Every single will tell you Mini's a ten.

0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Every single breathing air will tell you.

0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.359
<v Speaker 11>Every single will tell you Brandy is a ten too.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so okay, so exactly so, And I gotta

0:25:58.680 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 5>go with six on that.

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<v Speaker 1>If many rippertains attend, Brandy can't do what many does.

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<v Speaker 5>She can't whistle, Okay, cool, it's not She's singing, all right,

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 5>that she can't whistle.

0:26:10.600 --> 0:26:11.000
<v Speaker 11>We can't.

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:13.879
<v Speaker 12>We can't say like just because this person can't do

0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 12>like they don't have the exact they don't have to

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 12>have the exact same skill set to be a ten.

0:26:18.680 --> 0:26:19.119
<v Speaker 6>I agree.

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I agree all the time, Like what is happening?

0:26:22.960 --> 0:26:24.280
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'll tell you all the time because you

0:26:24.320 --> 0:26:26.919
<v Speaker 3>pay all the diversity and I'm telling you it's not

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 3>You could do one thing and be the best at

0:26:28.680 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 3>it and be a team. I'm not like Anita Baker

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>is probably the closest to a tend but it's all low.

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Octive and I do I agree with that. Or you

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:38.040
<v Speaker 1>could have a top octave right like like Bobby de

0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Barge right and switch. I agree with that.

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 5>But I'm just saying if, but if you're going to

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<v Speaker 5>call many Ripperton attend and there's some other people that

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:48.879
<v Speaker 5>you left out, then.

0:26:48.840 --> 0:26:50.800
<v Speaker 1>That no, you just have bad ears.

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:52.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying, you don't know way you can listen to

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 3>many Ripperton and don't think to yourself that realized this

0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:56.400
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like a one.

0:26:56.880 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 5>I think that she's a great I think she has

0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:00.919
<v Speaker 5>great songs, and she don't really.

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Have She don't really have a lot of great songs.

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:08.359
<v Speaker 1>Are great, a great song. You talk about her vote

0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:13.280
<v Speaker 1>vocally as a monster. She's like a real deal vocalist.

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 5>Okay, cool, cool cool. I think she does that one thing.

0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:18.120
<v Speaker 5>I think she's in her lane. She got her lane

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 5>and she does that very well.

0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. She don't have a lane. Hers is variety.

0:27:23.119 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. She she covered the spectrum. She like yo,

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:31.320
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James. What anyway, she's like a spectrum. My ears

0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 1>are bad, man, Let's move it on there. That's cool.

0:27:35.359 --> 0:27:38.640
<v Speaker 5>Apparently all y'all think she's a ten, so I'm out.

0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>That's that's a cracking pa Bell is probably a ten.

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>Pal Belt is a ten team for sure.

0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:54.199
<v Speaker 3>But but the point I was making was, this is

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:57.879
<v Speaker 3>a real weird conversation because we're trying to decide.

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Are we calling everything in R and B?

0:28:02.440 --> 0:28:05.880
<v Speaker 3>Since since all of the sub genres right, which could

0:28:05.920 --> 0:28:08.160
<v Speaker 3>be sold, which could be pop, which could be funk,

0:28:08.200 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 3>which could be all of these things kind of come

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 3>from the original rhythm and blues once you got past gospel.

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:17.120
<v Speaker 3>So it's like, even when I look at a Michael Jackson, right,

0:28:17.200 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>it's like Michael Jackson made more pop songs and R

0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 3>and B something me wrong. His R and B songs

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:28.480
<v Speaker 3>is fire right, But I'm just saying it's people that

0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 3>have really dope pop some and he's one of them.

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<v Speaker 12>Who's your top five white soul singers?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, he don't toe into that. He don't toe

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 7>into that too much as that one. You know, I'm

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 7>toning to that too much. They don't carry souls, so

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.160
<v Speaker 7>he ain't gonna listen to that, right, am? I?

0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 6>Right? Am? I? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Glasses? My favorite five soul singers white one?

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<v Speaker 3>Only so many white people were sold it is it

0:29:04.400 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 3>favorite five white songs? Okay, so personally my favorite five,

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 3>right is is Daryl Hall. Daryl Hall got the best

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 3>voice of any white person ever. I fucking love Darryl Hall. Boys, Daryl,

0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I wish I actually sang like Daryl Hall. Darryl Hall

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.680
<v Speaker 3>is the ship Number two. Remember Daryl Hall?

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<v Speaker 1>Clip this please? I think you did, because it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be really tough like number two. The Little Lady out

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>of It that Rick James put on Tina right, tanum reed?

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<v Speaker 1>For sure, that's that's the real deal. Okay, Now, just voice.

0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 3>Bobby called, well, he ain't got that many songs that

0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.479
<v Speaker 3>I really jam. But Bobby called withell voice is fire

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:04.720
<v Speaker 3>m right. Number four is Michael McDonald mm hmm, best

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 3>voice and soul, put some soul in there.

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:12.920
<v Speaker 1>And number five Elton John m hmm.

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:17.000
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Phil Collins or nothing. I think. I think, I

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<v Speaker 6>say George Michaels some ship like.

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<v Speaker 1>George on that man, No Elton John, el Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 6>Go out and go.

0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't really think that's how I like. Like listening

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 3>to Brian Carey is like listening to like a diet

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:39.240
<v Speaker 3>version of Minnie Riperton. They always called it a little

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 3>that's missing when she goes up there, it's like a

0:30:42.000 --> 0:30:42.959
<v Speaker 3>soul that's missing.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I agree with that.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 3>That's my five favorite white soul sing They got sould.

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So no female white females. You just okay, you don't

0:30:57.800 --> 0:30:59.720
<v Speaker 1>mess with that. He don't mess with that. He don't

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>mess no, no, no, no no no. A Dale is

0:31:02.520 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 1>cool for like a white singer.

0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 6>Mm hmman song.

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.960
<v Speaker 3>If her sisters sang like Adele, I wouldn't even listen

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 3>to her.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, let me ask you, where were you? Where's like

0:31:13.320 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>every sister walking down? Where'd y'all put Celine Dion vocally?

0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 7>You can sing for a white lady, Yeah, I'm a

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 7>glass on that one.

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>What was the Mexican girl back in the days he

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 1>used to sing Selena?

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.880
<v Speaker 6>Talking about what's Selena? No no no coming no no no,

0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:31.280
<v Speaker 6>no no no.

0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:37.760
<v Speaker 7>He's talking about talking about Lera who to be cracking

0:31:37.800 --> 0:31:41.800
<v Speaker 7>for white man. I was talking about the incredible.

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<v Speaker 10>Some of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Look some of them white ladies, white lady.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 5>But all these, all those white ladies you just named,

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 5>are are what you're talking about as far as know.

0:31:49.120 --> 0:31:51.560
<v Speaker 1>So they don't they got so they got sol for

0:31:51.600 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>like white people. Yeah, white people. So white people, they

0:31:53.880 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>don't sound like.

0:31:55.000 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 10>Got sold Tina Tina, Tina, Tina got it is bad.

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:07.120
<v Speaker 3>That's a bad motherfucker. That's that's tinam Ree is the

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 3>real deal. Yeah, ain't nobody gonna play with Teena Marie.

0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:15.360
<v Speaker 1>That's real. I like wine House voice shout out to

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:18.320
<v Speaker 1>the lunch tape. I like Amy, that was cool. I

0:32:18.320 --> 0:32:18.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like.

0:32:21.240 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 3>Listening to Amy wine House like like a very diet

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:28.880
<v Speaker 3>light minute made version of like.

0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Nina Simone. I was thinking the same thing. That's a

0:32:34.120 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>second jazz, Like.

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:39.640
<v Speaker 3>I think the thing that's that's what it feels like

0:32:39.680 --> 0:32:42.000
<v Speaker 3>when I listened to uh, Amy Winehouse.

0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 11>It's like, yeah, what about Robin Think.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 3>I like Rob Robin Think is a dope white singer.

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 3>You can sing, period, but that's for white people. He's

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.320
<v Speaker 3>gonna be like a nine now on just black singers,

0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 3>he like a six.

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 1>I know you gonna kill me for this. But j T,

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that's like.

0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:11.480
<v Speaker 5>J was a better singer until he got on the

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 5>stage with Brian mcnott.

0:33:13.400 --> 0:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you realize it. Yeah, it was different, Like j

0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:18.720
<v Speaker 1>T was a good singer than Brian.

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 6>He they did.

0:33:19.440 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 5>You know, they got a song together, they got the

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:23.240
<v Speaker 5>stage of performing. I was there alive, and it was different.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 5>It was idam he can't even say that.

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you don't want to see That's what I'm saying

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 1>with like John, Beyonce is probably like a seven or eight.

0:33:36.600 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 11>If Brian you're gonna get drugged for that. I know from.

0:33:41.160 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 5>About I think she's an We just said vocally no six.

0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 5>Do you have inside information on Beyonce?

0:33:48.480 --> 0:33:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Like is she what is she? Vocally? Beyonce?

0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:53.640
<v Speaker 11>I don't really listen to Beyonce to be honest, I

0:33:53.760 --> 0:33:57.360
<v Speaker 11>never heard the album or anything. I've only heard singing. Yeah,

0:33:57.400 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 11>I never listened. I never was drawn to her musical that.

0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:02.080
<v Speaker 6>So you heard one plus one.

0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Though I'm thinking Beyonce is somewhere. Like I said, I

0:34:05.600 --> 0:34:07.200
<v Speaker 3>think she a lot stronger than everybody. To get me

0:34:07.240 --> 0:34:08.399
<v Speaker 3>credit for, I.

0:34:08.320 --> 0:34:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Think Beyonce is underrated as a singer though yeah I agree.

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:13.560
<v Speaker 6>I agree.

0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:15.720
<v Speaker 1>It might be closer to her nine and you think.

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.680
<v Speaker 3>That could be true, but she don't do the songs

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 3>to exercise where she could go.

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:22.520
<v Speaker 1>She also kind of stay controlled.

0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 3>So after walk, Rihanna is not an eight bro, that's.

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>The bos nigga.

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 11>Rihanna is a little bit. Rihanna is a little better

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:39.680
<v Speaker 11>than Cassie.

0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You said that.

0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 12>In fact, she was a little better than Cassie. Yeah, yeah,

0:34:47.640 --> 0:34:48.600
<v Speaker 12>see that's a hot take.

0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:51.879
<v Speaker 3>And I get wide, bro because as a fan, y'all

0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 3>feel like y'all listen, like we kind of really listened

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 3>to it. Like if you thought Rihanna was an eight bro,

0:34:58.440 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>your fucking taste is horrible.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:02.040
<v Speaker 6>That's crazy. Mm hmm.

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:05.839
<v Speaker 3>Like now, Rihanna as an as a female vocalist as

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 3>excuse me, as a female actor, great act, She's an

0:35:09.400 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 3>amazing act, but not vocally, bro, No before, it's not diabolical.

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:20.359
<v Speaker 1>T bods is a four? No six? Is you can

0:35:20.440 --> 0:35:22.839
<v Speaker 1>sing at a six, like you get cracking at a six.

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Cracking out of six is crazy.

0:35:25.880 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 11>Heard boy singing, I'm about to put her up.

0:35:28.200 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 6>I think a unique voice though.

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 1>I think that's her selling point, her unique voice.

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, that's what it was. Eight and nine. She get

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 13>up there, so yeah, I have to listen a little

0:35:44.840 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 13>bit more. She gets listen.

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Whitney Houston and many Riperton are teens, right, that's that's great,

0:35:52.880 --> 0:35:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Like you know, I mean, it's people up there too.

0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.799
<v Speaker 3>So if you're Whitney Houston, you're t bos. That's what

0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:00.360
<v Speaker 3>you have to compare. H.

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<v Speaker 1>But you don't need agree with Whitney.

0:36:08.800 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Uh, you don't need to be like like see, when

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:14.960
<v Speaker 3>I think of R and B, I think of people

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:18.480
<v Speaker 3>like Luther Vandraws, people that really just sing, hm, they

0:36:18.480 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 3>don't really like. Luther Vandross is a ten vocally like

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 3>Luther Van Draws is a ten. Everybody know Luther Van

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 3>not argument between no human beings that no. Luther Vandross

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.600
<v Speaker 3>vocally is a te Luther Luther. Everybody know Luther Vandras Tu.

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.080
<v Speaker 3>You ain't got to look at nobody. Marvin Gay is

0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:40.439
<v Speaker 3>a ten.

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<v Speaker 11>I just listened to T boys.

0:36:43.239 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 12>Yes, how fast I clicked back to the to the

0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:49.640
<v Speaker 12>part right, you just listen to t balls.

0:36:49.640 --> 0:36:50.319
<v Speaker 1>What would you give from me?

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<v Speaker 11>Like five?

0:36:53.600 --> 0:36:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Six? Thank you? That's what it ain't I said, it's four.

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>I said like five six? Or is? I think? Okay?

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, but that's your that's your opinion, Yeah, because because.

0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 3>You gotta have space in the middle, like, right, where's

0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Tina Marie?

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Teana Marie is seen them? Damn near might be a

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:19.959
<v Speaker 1>nine bro right, So then think about how good Tina

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.839
<v Speaker 1>Marie is compared to teapots. I mean, yeah, that's what's

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>the five point? That's what five like. It's not about

0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:28.799
<v Speaker 1>three points, about bout five points like them big three

0:37:28.800 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 1>points though. Okay, let's go seven eight, Let me think,

0:37:31.680 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>let me think I got you. Who's that?

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 3>Uh Tony Braxton? Okaye, where'd you put Tony?

0:37:41.719 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 1>Tony might be like a you might be like eight

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and a half Tony Braxton eight and a half?

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 6>Nine?

0:37:49.960 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what, I'm not mad at that?

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 6>Locally eight you can track.

0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, I gotta go out to vlast is, where would

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:02.480
<v Speaker 10>you put Alicia Keys?

0:38:03.040 --> 0:38:03.279
<v Speaker 6>Six?

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question seven seven, eight, seven because she

0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:16.239
<v Speaker 1>can even relate them goddamn piano course, mm hmm. She

0:38:16.360 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of just she like really sneaky good too, like

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Alicia Keys vocally is sneaky good. Do you think only

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a seven or eight I got? I have to really

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:30.759
<v Speaker 1>listen to a seven or eight.

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.360
<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you a question because I thought about

0:38:33.360 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 5>something that we talked about yesterday. Do some people, because

0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:40.680
<v Speaker 5>they're such good performers, get that taken away from their

0:38:40.760 --> 0:38:42.280
<v Speaker 5>their their performance vocally?

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I think Michael Jackson is one of those people.

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:48.319
<v Speaker 5>Because, like I said, Mike, what about Prince vocally than

0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:48.759
<v Speaker 5>we think he is?

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 6>Prince is great vocally, though Prince s different actors like

0:38:52.760 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 6>Prince is Crazy just live.

0:38:54.560 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Like twice Prince Prince is different. You see, he's Prince.

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 3>And Alicia Keys are kind of like close. I don't know,

0:39:05.040 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 3>that might be pushing I need to.

0:39:08.120 --> 0:39:08.919
<v Speaker 1>A Prince live.

0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Prince vocally was flawless, old flaws bro it was crazy.

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 6>Change is active.

0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:20.440
<v Speaker 7>The way he's singing, you're saying, he's saying many different

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:20.919
<v Speaker 7>ways though.

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.919
<v Speaker 10>The Princess crazy professional one of the team.

0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 1>You get Prince seven seven, You got.

0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 11>Prince in the same realm as Alicia Keys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they do the same thing. Actually, what you think

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>about that? Trapping six.

0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 11>Wow that I don't agree with Prince nine eight and

0:39:44.719 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 11>a half.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no, he's not a nine. Wait man, so

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>six you say no to a nine or eight or

0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 1>seven or eight? Prince vocally?

0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 11>No, I'm saying no to seven.

0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:58.279
<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, seven or eight? That's what I said. What

0:39:58.360 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>you what you gotta? Uh king by the eight.

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<v Speaker 7>And a half.

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<v Speaker 10>Hmm, came my man, let's don't sing da.

0:40:13.440 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 3>He's different, his different vocally. He is nice, but he's not.

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 5>I think he's one of those guys who performed so

0:40:22.640 --> 0:40:25.080
<v Speaker 5>well that where you you forget how.

0:40:24.960 --> 0:40:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Good you know?

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<v Speaker 10>It's not Michael Jackson is. That's my problem. And Michael

0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 10>Jackson I think better, a better vocalist, and I feel.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 1>Like losing your fucking mind.

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<v Speaker 7>Man.

0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>It's cool, you got you got Stevie. It's close.

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:42.360
<v Speaker 6>You got Stevie.

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 3>Vocally, the same place, the same place with Prince and

0:40:50.239 --> 0:40:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Lisa Key.

0:40:53.000 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 6>Is not with them being come on stop that.

0:40:56.840 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Sneaky, really really good, bro. She has a good control,

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 3>she has good range. She's not I'm telling you she

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:14.759
<v Speaker 3>a lot sneakier good than you could imagine that.

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 12>I gotta come through soon, and we got to spend

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:23.560
<v Speaker 12>like an hour or two and I got I have to.

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.040
<v Speaker 11>I gotta train your ear to show you what you

0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 11>need to be listening to.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Got you that's fair. You know you do it. You're here.

0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>I know, no, you gotta do it. But but I

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:36.680
<v Speaker 1>think it's fair for me.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:38.160
<v Speaker 6>No music.

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's music vocally. I agree with that.

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't think it's a disservice to say Stevie Wonder

0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:49.759
<v Speaker 3>is an eight vocally. That's not I'm not disserve it's

0:41:49.800 --> 0:41:54.240
<v Speaker 3>not a disservice to him or because really, their calling

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 3>card is not necessarily the.

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Performance I say.

0:41:56.640 --> 0:41:59.200
<v Speaker 3>I think they're calling card is the fact that these

0:41:59.239 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 3>are some of the ad as musicians ever ever that

0:42:03.320 --> 0:42:04.399
<v Speaker 3>could actually sing me as.

0:42:04.920 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 12>I think, Prince, I mean, I think you you have

0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:10.920
<v Speaker 12>to go listen to my bad coach. You gotta go

0:42:11.040 --> 0:42:16.759
<v Speaker 12>listen to Stevie Wonders vocally on the live version of

0:42:16.840 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 12>Ribbon in the Sky where he's emulating the instruments that

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 12>are playing at the end in the band Nigga that

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.239
<v Speaker 12>vocal performances out of it.

0:42:25.400 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 3>Again again, I'm not I'm not again, I'm not stuck here.

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying if you're asking me, this.

0:42:31.120 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Is my thought.

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:34.479
<v Speaker 3>Now again, I could go do this, do a deep

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 3>dive and realize I was tripping this.

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Niggas as good as you gets? What about Smokey Robinson

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:46.040
<v Speaker 1>seven eight.

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:49.800
<v Speaker 6>You got? You got Donny Hathaway.

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 11>Yes, he's a tough crowd everybody.

0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:55.840
<v Speaker 1>When I listened to you sing.

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.720
<v Speaker 6>Bro like I want to him, you got down.

0:43:00.840 --> 0:43:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Eight eight nine is nice.

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:06.520
<v Speaker 6>I ain't mad at that.

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 3>See like I like Bobby. The bars is a ten

0:43:10.120 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 3>one gear. Right, here's the question six I got you?

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Where's Berry White vocally?

0:43:20.000 --> 0:43:23.560
<v Speaker 11>Oh that's a good one vocal I don't even know.

0:43:24.480 --> 0:43:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I probably they canna play with these. I respect.

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 12>From your neighborhood. I'm not doing the twins from the

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:36.920
<v Speaker 12>Whispers coach.

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.200
<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, I'm going back to Burrial fast.

0:43:39.680 --> 0:43:51.240
<v Speaker 7>Look at Joey Webside, said Joey Weside, the tent from Bothy.

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.520
<v Speaker 1>That's not bad. Seven and a half at bad. I'm

0:43:56.560 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>not mad at that. Okay. When from the Whispers day

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.640
<v Speaker 1>that's some bad one. They get cracky.

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 3>They solid what's funny is Rothel is my favorite vocalist

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.759
<v Speaker 3>as far as male vocalist. Well, obviously there's a couple,

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 3>but ro is my I've listened to more Rotha music

0:44:15.160 --> 0:44:16.600
<v Speaker 3>than any other male vocals.

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.720
<v Speaker 5>This is where you get people fucked up, though, because

0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:22.799
<v Speaker 5>you give all these other singers seven's and six and

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 5>ship and then you be like.

0:44:25.560 --> 0:44:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Jamie Fox unpredictable.

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.439
<v Speaker 6>That's crazy, crazy.

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 10>Because you don't need to have a ten for you

0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 10>to be my What really they are? How they make me?

0:44:38.680 --> 0:44:38.919
<v Speaker 6>Number?

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Does it get? Ro Probably a seven?

0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 6>Eight?

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>And then I'm like, go ahead, go sx my.

0:44:47.640 --> 0:44:51.320
<v Speaker 12>Nigga Gavin from Third Story, who don't get no claim

0:44:51.360 --> 0:44:54.440
<v Speaker 12>to fame as a ten vocally and nobody probably.

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 11>Even heard of them. But I put that with anybody, hm, anybody?

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have to think about it.

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I think it like I think my my rating system

0:45:05.960 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 3>makes sense because I'm judging just singing, Like you don't

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>have to be the greatest singer to be my favorite. Again,

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm like, Michael Jackson is a way greater vocalist

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 3>than Keith Sweat, but Make It Last Ever is a

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>better album than Bad.

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 5>But I think a lot more goes than making a

0:45:22.320 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 5>great album than just vocals exactly.

0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:25.839
<v Speaker 1>So that's why I don't think what I'm saying it's

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:31.560
<v Speaker 1>crazy you know what I'm saying. Whitney Houston is one

0:45:31.560 --> 0:45:32.200
<v Speaker 1>of the greatest.

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:35.480
<v Speaker 3>It's probably the greatest female vocalists ever. And I don't

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 3>play none of her songs. I wouldn't be caught dead

0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:39.560
<v Speaker 3>playing with me.

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.440
<v Speaker 1>Why not weekly, I just.

0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 7>Don't care about the records they come on. I want

0:45:47.640 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 7>to dance with.

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:53.600
<v Speaker 6>Somebody, never traver right one too.

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I want to have about that ship is the ship? Yeah,

0:45:56.320 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I would never remember that line of Richie, you don't

0:46:01.520 --> 0:46:02.439
<v Speaker 1>play all night long?

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:09.040
<v Speaker 3>A lot of ches with the commodoors and maybe hello

0:46:09.480 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 3>hey all night long?

0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:16.720
<v Speaker 6>Only I got one for you, bro, what's Teddy Pendergras.

0:46:18.400 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 1>Line?

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.239
<v Speaker 3>Just could start making pop music? He start competing and

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:22.480
<v Speaker 3>and I respected that.

0:46:23.480 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't thriller, Bro.

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 11>I just saw something this morning, Bro, I gotta send

0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 11>it to y'all. It was one I don't know.

0:46:32.320 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>I don't play thriller either. Yeah, I don't play thriller

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.239
<v Speaker 1>like I sometimes when I do either, I don't play

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:38.279
<v Speaker 1>bad or Thriller.

0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:45.400
<v Speaker 5>Off the wall, off the wall that that get played.

0:46:47.320 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, tankers are ten. Tankers are ten vocally for sure.

0:46:51.000 --> 0:46:54.920
<v Speaker 5>And you know what that was new when you said that,

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.960
<v Speaker 5>that was news to me. But but if you you know,

0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 5>if you.

0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Heard I'm saying you heard it, he might know like

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:03.760
<v Speaker 1>that that is news to me, you say the expert.

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:08.239
<v Speaker 7>That's why these all these plaquis R and B.

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 1>Nigga, I'm a rapper locally.

0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 5>Tank is ten a ten Yeah, because when I started atas,

0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:24.400
<v Speaker 5>I was like, Okay, but he got inside information.

0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:25.320
<v Speaker 1>I think I think he's.

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:29.120
<v Speaker 3>Talking about his professional skill set as a singer. It's

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.480
<v Speaker 3>still like an execution, like Tank ain't no.

0:47:31.480 --> 0:47:35.359
<v Speaker 12>Goddamn professional skill set because I always look at it.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:37.719
<v Speaker 11>I always look at it this way right.

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:40.960
<v Speaker 12>I've had people over the years call me and say, Yo,

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:44.239
<v Speaker 12>I'm with so and so with this girl. Whatever she

0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 12>could sing, you want to hear a sing? And I'm

0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 12>like no, because you being able to sing in front

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:50.880
<v Speaker 12>of me or sing on the phone don't mean you

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 12>can go in there and make a record.

0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that's singing. We're not talking about to make

0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 1>a record.

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.800
<v Speaker 12>But I'm saying, like, I don't look at Tank's ability

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 12>to go in and uh to make a record professionally

0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.280
<v Speaker 12>based on that that nigga can stand on the corner

0:48:07.760 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 12>just like she stand in the corner.

0:48:11.360 --> 0:48:13.879
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I don't know, g man, I heard somebody talk

0:48:13.880 --> 0:48:15.520
<v Speaker 5>to me about it yesterday too. I sing it like

0:48:15.920 --> 0:48:19.400
<v Speaker 5>really singing. She stood, don't think like She started, bringing

0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.040
<v Speaker 5>me through the history of he was a backup singer.

0:48:21.080 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 6>Started. She started, I'm.

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:25.920
<v Speaker 1>Gonna show you.

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:27.160
<v Speaker 11>I'm gonna show you when I pull up on you

0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:27.600
<v Speaker 11>show me.

0:48:27.640 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 1>Yep. I got to pull up on Tank and just

0:48:29.320 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 1>make him just go, get cracking, nigga. So get cracking.

0:48:35.239 --> 0:48:40.799
<v Speaker 3>Real nigga real, Like a lot of my stuff is

0:48:40.840 --> 0:48:45.560
<v Speaker 3>not considered the greatest thing. No no, he's not. No, no,

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:47.360
<v Speaker 3>And this is my problem. And this is why I

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:51.160
<v Speaker 3>won't let you say that ship six see the type

0:48:51.160 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>of ship that's happened. But that's what is different than yours.

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Though you need to say somebody's a ten. You gotta

0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>sing as good as Luther. Luther is his standard. I mean,

0:49:03.000 --> 0:49:03.759
<v Speaker 1>if you're gonna say it.

0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 3>Like I'm like, you gotta sing as good as these people.

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:10.640
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to sing just like them, but it

0:49:10.719 --> 0:49:14.000
<v Speaker 3>has to be as good as him. So like Tank,

0:49:14.080 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 3>I thought Tank is more than a qualified sacre. I

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:18.400
<v Speaker 3>think Tank get cracking. I would have thought Tank is

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 3>an eight or something seven eight. He understands music, he

0:49:21.320 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 3>understands equipment instruments, He know how to do all of

0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:24.359
<v Speaker 3>that shit.

0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:24.799
<v Speaker 1>He tough.

0:49:25.200 --> 0:49:27.000
<v Speaker 3>But I wouldn't have thought the niggas saying him and

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Luther on the corner, it wouldn't be no motherfucking battle.

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the hell six talking about Luther

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:31.799
<v Speaker 1>would blow.

0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:34.120
<v Speaker 12>I didn't say nothing about Luther, nigga, you just made

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:38.399
<v Speaker 12>him he is six. But that's your criteria. You Luther

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:39.759
<v Speaker 12>is your standard, not mine.

0:49:40.920 --> 0:49:41.919
<v Speaker 1>Is Luther not a team?

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 11>Oh that's a good one.

0:49:44.880 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 6>Can I Can I say this though?

0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:49.520
<v Speaker 1>Can I say now that six six is saying this

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 1>shit A classes in this Luther talk? Is just want

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 1>you to say Luther. I'm just gonna say this, man.

0:49:57.600 --> 0:49:58.680
<v Speaker 1>That's why I looked at him early.

0:49:58.840 --> 0:50:02.520
<v Speaker 5>Luther is cool, is tight, Luther's don't average no disrespect

0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:05.160
<v Speaker 5>from about Luther. But I don't know if if lutheran

0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:06.719
<v Speaker 5>Tank staying on the corner. I don't know if Luther

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 5>just killed Tank. I'm gonna be honest with you, man.

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.959
<v Speaker 5>After listening to Tank, listen to Luther. Luther is done.

0:50:14.160 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 11>Just go listen, bro.

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.839
<v Speaker 1>You gotta understand nothing you could listen to. That's gonna

0:50:18.880 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>be close.

0:50:19.520 --> 0:50:21.399
<v Speaker 5>Because Glass has got those he got some old people

0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:23.239
<v Speaker 5>in his head that he just he just they on

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:24.520
<v Speaker 5>that that pantheon for him.

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>But so you're saying, Luther van Dross don't deserve what

0:50:27.560 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying. See he gonna try to get me saying

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:35.440
<v Speaker 1>that's what you want to say, though you're saying matty

0:50:35.520 --> 0:50:39.560
<v Speaker 1>much every other sake, Luther van Dross is one of

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the greatest vocalists to ever exist. Luther, is there true Luther?

0:50:44.440 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 5>Okay, I don't want to say nothing too bad, but.

0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:50.920
<v Speaker 11>That's all you did last.

0:50:50.719 --> 0:50:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Week, and I just asked questions about that. People probably

0:50:53.840 --> 0:51:01.200
<v Speaker 1>talking bad about him all the time. Is Luther operted? No,

0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 1>this is your fault six I know No, you did know,

0:51:06.800 --> 0:51:11.799
<v Speaker 1>so you know you did Bush. I'm a seven year old.

0:51:11.880 --> 0:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>This is why. This is why I staying on it.

0:51:13.480 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 1>So I don't have this.

0:51:14.360 --> 0:51:16.600
<v Speaker 5>I'm a seven year old. I don't I'm asking a

0:51:16.680 --> 0:51:20.480
<v Speaker 5>question somebody. I'm just is Luther overrated?

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.600
<v Speaker 11>No, not that, not even close to overrated.

0:51:24.719 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, So so is he rated properly then? Or is

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 5>he he's right where he needs to be at Luther,

0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:35.239
<v Speaker 5>that's one of the greatest this is Luther is a.

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:36.359
<v Speaker 1>It's for me.

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:42.560
<v Speaker 12>Ago because my thing is this, like even Luther could

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:47.360
<v Speaker 12>be a twelve, like Whitney could be a twelve those.

0:51:47.120 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Type of things. Is that measurement.

0:51:50.719 --> 0:51:53.160
<v Speaker 11>But some of these players are in their own realm, bro.

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.640
<v Speaker 3>Like, But they have to be able to sing as

0:51:55.680 --> 0:51:58.479
<v Speaker 3>these people in these realms to be a ting.

0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:01.560
<v Speaker 12>That's why, men, let me ask you this. Are you

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.919
<v Speaker 12>saying that the people that you have as eights male

0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.880
<v Speaker 12>singers don't have the ability to do what the tens

0:52:08.960 --> 0:52:09.640
<v Speaker 12>do vocally?

0:52:11.840 --> 0:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>They can have the moment what you mean, they got him,

0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:19.959
<v Speaker 1>so they deliver sometimes, but a ten is a ten

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:24.640
<v Speaker 1>every time, Like Luther is Luther Van draws no matter

0:52:24.680 --> 0:52:25.520
<v Speaker 1>how you slice it.

0:52:28.080 --> 0:52:29.800
<v Speaker 11>Somebody said, what would you rate James Brown?

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:34.200
<v Speaker 12>Come on, oh no, James Brown good singer.

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 3>He was on his Godfather soul Ship. He kind of

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 3>got a unique tone. He's an underrated singer. To me,

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:49.279
<v Speaker 3>he could sing. But you can't go funk James Brown

0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>because obviously he wasn't singing at that point that nigga

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:54.000
<v Speaker 3>was just shouting her.

0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.520
<v Speaker 5>But Josh, this is what you do to you though,

0:52:57.560 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 5>Like g y'all be saying, I'm baiting.

0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:03.160
<v Speaker 1>You know what what you start calling me coach? This

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is dark, This is dark, this is dark. Beata right here?

0:53:09.239 --> 0:53:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Does he do his baiting really? Fly?

0:53:11.800 --> 0:53:14.919
<v Speaker 5>And I just come out and asked my question. GV

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 5>wanted you to lead yourself into some bullshit little sneaky ship.

0:53:19.800 --> 0:53:25.279
<v Speaker 3>I have a constant, so like I'm okay with saying

0:53:25.320 --> 0:53:27.040
<v Speaker 3>him because I have to stand on him. So then

0:53:27.120 --> 0:53:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to wake up one day and find

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:30.759
<v Speaker 3>somebody else. So we're talking about R and B.

0:53:31.320 --> 0:53:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say somebody's a tin and they

0:53:33.080 --> 0:53:37.520
<v Speaker 1>can't sing with somebody that's a tin. Billy Holliday, I

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.600
<v Speaker 1>love Billy Holliday. I take a little bit more time.

0:53:41.040 --> 0:53:47.040
<v Speaker 12>Just so I'm trying to gain a better understanding. So

0:53:47.120 --> 0:53:50.719
<v Speaker 12>Luther is a ten yep, what's the equivalent on the

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 12>hip hop side as Luther.

0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:58.399
<v Speaker 1>That's a good question.

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:08.960
<v Speaker 3>I just listen to hip hop ain't just about talent

0:54:09.160 --> 0:54:11.839
<v Speaker 3>like that. Hip hop is still like a street urban

0:54:11.880 --> 0:54:16.040
<v Speaker 3>cultural movement, so like it's not just it's not just

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:20.880
<v Speaker 3>dependent on talent per se, Like like it's just not

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:21.479
<v Speaker 3>the same.

0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:23.000
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop is different.

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:24.880
<v Speaker 11>So you don't got no ten on.

0:54:27.560 --> 0:54:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Hip hip hop music is actually not good.

0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:39.799
<v Speaker 7>I don't say that brow but just like you know,

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:40.440
<v Speaker 7>I stand on it.

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:42.240
<v Speaker 1>You need me to.

0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:45.040
<v Speaker 12>In the realm of like how we're judging singers on.

0:54:47.160 --> 0:54:48.160
<v Speaker 11>Their ability to sing.

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:50.279
<v Speaker 3>I mean, if you heard me, Hey what I want

0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 3>to do something freaking to you and then go listen

0:54:51.760 --> 0:54:55.040
<v Speaker 3>to than you don't notice the difference musically, like.

0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Think is bad? What well? I think on a pantheon

0:54:59.400 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of music right now, just straight music. Doctor Dre wouldn't

0:55:02.800 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 1>tell you G thing is on the same level as

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Leon Haywood. I want to do something for you said.

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not on the same level. It's not even in

0:55:08.960 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the same arena. G Thing is not good. I think

0:55:12.600 --> 0:55:16.319
<v Speaker 1>hip hop at the whole the music is just all

0:55:16.360 --> 0:55:18.240
<v Speaker 1>of it is. Maybe the best is like a six.

0:55:19.440 --> 0:55:24.000
<v Speaker 1>All hip just the music. It's a D. I mean

0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:26.160
<v Speaker 1>an instrumentation of the music.

0:55:26.840 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 7>Okay, okay, all right, all right, you know what you're

0:55:29.480 --> 0:55:31.400
<v Speaker 7>talking about, because the message.

0:55:31.080 --> 0:55:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Hip hop, the whole, the whole package is what makes

0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:37.759
<v Speaker 1>it like a thirty. But the music part of it

0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:41.640
<v Speaker 1>is just a D. It's under there. Yeah hell yeah, Okay,

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:47.439
<v Speaker 1>Like the best is like a C. So it's a seven, yeah,

0:55:47.520 --> 0:55:48.120
<v Speaker 1>like a seven.

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:53.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, do you have any acts that you think are

0:55:53.400 --> 0:55:55.759
<v Speaker 5>higher than the seed that kind of hold up the

0:55:55.840 --> 0:55:56.839
<v Speaker 5>you know, get it up to the scene.

0:55:56.880 --> 0:55:59.000
<v Speaker 1>So to just mute like, is there somebody hip hop

0:55:59.040 --> 0:56:00.719
<v Speaker 1>that make music good? White? Fuck?

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.200
<v Speaker 7>No, let me tell you why hip hop is not

0:56:03.320 --> 0:56:09.360
<v Speaker 7>that right there, because the creation, the creation method of

0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 7>hip hop has to has to be put up there

0:56:11.719 --> 0:56:14.080
<v Speaker 7>more more than what you're saying. It is though, because

0:56:14.080 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 7>the fact that you can take anything making it hip.

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Hop the creation method. Forgive me trap. I don't mean

0:56:19.000 --> 0:56:21.680
<v Speaker 3>to cut you off. Thereat don't matter when it comes

0:56:21.760 --> 0:56:24.439
<v Speaker 3>to hip hop. Like the music were talking about. That's

0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.719
<v Speaker 3>what makes hip hop special. That's like asking it's soul

0:56:27.800 --> 0:56:31.160
<v Speaker 3>food healthy. Like what makes hip hop special is the

0:56:31.200 --> 0:56:33.319
<v Speaker 3>fantas you can. You could take anything and make it

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:34.040
<v Speaker 3>into hip hop.

0:56:34.680 --> 0:56:34.960
<v Speaker 6>Cherry.

0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>You could take the only black music.

0:56:40.480 --> 0:56:43.480
<v Speaker 10>Like we're we're comparing to other really talented black me

0:56:43.600 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 10>I've never heard of hip hop song the music and thought, man,

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:48.080
<v Speaker 10>this is like Arry White.

0:56:48.120 --> 0:56:50.840
<v Speaker 1>So hip hop music is not good for you artist.

0:56:51.520 --> 0:56:54.200
<v Speaker 3>No, No, soul food don't have to clog the arteries.

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:57.399
<v Speaker 3>I just think you're comparing musicians.

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.160
<v Speaker 10>I get you you can do I give it you're

0:57:00.160 --> 0:57:01.239
<v Speaker 10>saying no because it.

0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Better than all music.

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 5>Okay, Tramp, So let me get this from you too,

0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:10.200
<v Speaker 5>is that you also think hip hop a musically is

0:57:10.200 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 5>a DP No.

0:57:11.360 --> 0:57:13.520
<v Speaker 7>The reason why, the reason why understand, the reason why

0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 7>Undertarily's saying though, is because, like I said, you could

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 7>take anything make it's a hip hop, but it doesn't

0:57:18.160 --> 0:57:20.000
<v Speaker 7>become hip hop to the lyrics can put on it, though,

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 7>So you know what I'm saying, So it doesn't become

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.080
<v Speaker 7>so you could take like you said, I want to

0:57:24.120 --> 0:57:26.720
<v Speaker 7>do something freaky to you, doesn't become hip hop until

0:57:27.160 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 7>Drey and Snook it's on the beat. Yeah, you know

0:57:29.200 --> 0:57:32.919
<v Speaker 7>what I'm saying like that, So that's what. So it's

0:57:32.960 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 7>like it's almost like.

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm not I'm not saying the presentation of a hip hop.

0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Hip hop records can have records from people with any

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:43.200
<v Speaker 3>record in any genre music, but it's the complete presentation

0:57:43.640 --> 0:57:48.440
<v Speaker 3>because the music is make do right. It's like making

0:57:48.440 --> 0:57:50.080
<v Speaker 3>the best out of some ship you really don't know

0:57:50.080 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 3>how to do. When you put your ship on that ship,

0:57:54.360 --> 0:57:57.960
<v Speaker 3>you present it. How much power is anything I've ever

0:57:58.000 --> 0:58:01.960
<v Speaker 3>seen in music? Any talking about like g thing is

0:58:02.040 --> 0:58:02.600
<v Speaker 3>is powerful?

0:58:02.640 --> 0:58:02.800
<v Speaker 7>Us?

0:58:02.960 --> 0:58:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Very white very White, first, last, and only. So hip

0:58:09.400 --> 0:58:11.960
<v Speaker 1>hop music is the most powerful music it is.

0:58:12.280 --> 0:58:17.080
<v Speaker 3>It's probably so, but it's because it's it's more things

0:58:17.120 --> 0:58:20.480
<v Speaker 3>that connect to poor people, like making do always work

0:58:20.520 --> 0:58:23.840
<v Speaker 3>better with humanity and things of like overspent and producer.

0:58:25.040 --> 0:58:27.280
<v Speaker 3>I mean, because I think humans can connect to trying

0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:29.040
<v Speaker 3>to make the best side of circumstance.

0:58:29.840 --> 0:58:33.400
<v Speaker 1>But hip hop the music itself, like if you play.

0:58:33.200 --> 0:58:35.760
<v Speaker 3>G thinking next to leon Man a change and I

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 3>want to do something freaky is so motherfucking cold bro

0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.360
<v Speaker 3>before going to what dre sample to be the wash?

0:58:41.720 --> 0:58:46.080
<v Speaker 3>That shit is incredible like music like I listen to

0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:49.480
<v Speaker 3>very White almost every day. Dog you hear that shit?

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:50.880
<v Speaker 6>Oh you like?

0:58:50.880 --> 0:58:52.640
<v Speaker 1>Oh, this ain't necessarily music.

0:58:53.160 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 5>So so when hip hop artists take okay, so I'm saying,

0:58:56.120 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 5>like the stuff that they use musically is better, or

0:59:00.400 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 5>when hip hop artists get on it, it makes it

0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 5>more powerful.

0:59:03.920 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Because because hip hop is really about the cultural approach,

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:12.240
<v Speaker 3>like it's a get out and in the present now Again,

0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't know a hip hop instrumental that's even in

0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.040
<v Speaker 3>the same vein as some of the best songs and

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:24.560
<v Speaker 3>other genres of music music right, like like Biggie Hypnotized

0:59:24.600 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 3>cannot fuck with herb Albert's Rise, the song that they

0:59:27.120 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 3>interpolated to make the song. Man, you hear Rise, but

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:36.160
<v Speaker 3>you hear the whole hypnotized song. That motherfucker just as powerful, if.

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Not more powerful. Once you on that motherfucker talking crazy,

0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the niggas finish that shit off. It's short to you.

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 1>It's like some shit you never saw before. It's like,

0:59:46.440 --> 0:59:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that's the power of this shit. That's why nigga's so

0:59:48.560 --> 0:59:51.160
<v Speaker 1>protective of it because I get what makes it special.

0:59:51.240 --> 0:59:53.320
<v Speaker 3>Like when we're arguing. When I'm arguing with Trapping, I'm like,

0:59:53.600 --> 0:59:57.120
<v Speaker 3>the music don't have a sound. It's really just black

0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:58.560
<v Speaker 3>music to a degree, right.

0:59:58.440 --> 1:00:03.080
<v Speaker 1>You get black. But once you put the person on

1:00:03.120 --> 1:00:07.640
<v Speaker 1>it and some shit happened, that shit just be different.

1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.640
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, man, if you hear Barry White like

1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.360
<v Speaker 1>like like I lay my Lowrider that.

1:00:12.400 --> 1:00:14.880
<v Speaker 3>The love unlimited. Bro, you hear some of this shit,

1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 3>this ship is out of here. Like the music, bro,

1:00:17.680 --> 1:00:20.560
<v Speaker 3>that shit is just crazy. I ain't never heard no

1:00:20.640 --> 1:00:23.560
<v Speaker 3>hip hop shit like that never.

1:00:24.880 --> 1:00:28.800
<v Speaker 1>I get it. As far as just the music, I

1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:29.240
<v Speaker 1>get it.

1:00:29.480 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Even when I hear cream right, which is one of

1:00:31.560 --> 1:00:34.680
<v Speaker 3>my favorite beats, of hip hop. I think of the lyrics,

1:00:36.320 --> 1:00:37.400
<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, And that's one of my

1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:40.200
<v Speaker 3>favorite beats. But man, you play that ship and you

1:00:40.280 --> 1:00:43.200
<v Speaker 3>play some of that Verry White shit, you be like

1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 3>it's different that shit. Start changing and doing shit and

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 3>you be like, holy shit.

1:00:51.240 --> 1:00:54.120
<v Speaker 5>I wonder if that why culture culturally we look at

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<v Speaker 5>hip hop artists more in the leadership bro then we

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<v Speaker 5>look at other.

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<v Speaker 1>That could be true.

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<v Speaker 7>M hmm.

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<v Speaker 12>What's what's your what's your favorite? What's your favorite R

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<v Speaker 12>and B hip hop collab? Eat your collab?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, h.

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<v Speaker 6>Can knock the hustle jay Z and Mary J.

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<v Speaker 11>Blige boom boom boom boom.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that is a do that's a fire.

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<v Speaker 11>That's an abstract choice too.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, all this.

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<v Speaker 3>So the first my favorite, the first song that come

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<v Speaker 3>to mind, the greatest to me is probably that song

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<v Speaker 3>Ghost and Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>Did that song come right to mind?

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<v Speaker 3>I always think of that song first for some reason,

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<v Speaker 3>that that song all I Need song, the Marvin Gaye song.

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<v Speaker 1>But for me, probably favorite is Balling with the dramatics.

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<v Speaker 11>It's you're talking about method man and Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, excuse me that.

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<v Speaker 6>You all I mean all I mean, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna say that six when you said that ship come

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<v Speaker 1>on my mind and it sucks me up. But for me,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite is Balling with the dramatics and snoop. That's

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<v Speaker 1>always gonna go West Coast. Let's do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>on the West Coast.

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<v Speaker 3>But the first one that comes to mind the greatest

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<v Speaker 3>is probably that method and Mary J song. I remember

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<v Speaker 3>hearing that song being like, damn crazy. If I the

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<v Speaker 3>world too, I think, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That is hip hop. No man, that might be the one,

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<v Speaker 1>bro Becauselauren Hill is hip hop.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean there's something that we haven't talked about either

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<v Speaker 12>that even vocalists is we haven't really brought up Jo

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<v Speaker 12>tosy know because.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't talk about them. I mean, when they killing,

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<v Speaker 1>you ain't hurting, nothing like that, when they all live,

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<v Speaker 1>when they when anybody is office specifically, i've heard them all.

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<v Speaker 11>No I saw they got one of the.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really hear a lot of singers, you know who.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy we had all this R and B conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we haven't talked about Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige. Okay, it's Mary R and B female act of

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<v Speaker 1>all time, but it's Mary J.

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<v Speaker 5>Like how you said that other song was hip hop

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<v Speaker 5>all the way. Hip hop because Mary J hip hop.

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<v Speaker 5>She's the queen of hip hop, saw because Mary J.

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<v Speaker 5>Just Mary J. Blige could easily be the greatest R

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<v Speaker 5>and B act Ever. I don't think I've ever.

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<v Speaker 3>Saw anybody any reaction to music as much as I saw,

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<v Speaker 3>like you gotta go pop music, Michael Jackson, Mary J.

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<v Speaker 1>Blige.

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<v Speaker 3>The thing Mary J Blige do. The black women I

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<v Speaker 3>have never saw no ship I'm talking about. Ain't another

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<v Speaker 3>black woman breathing air, not beyond that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Not none of them. You see them motherfuckers?

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<v Speaker 1>Will Mary J? Come on?

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<v Speaker 5>It is different ja so powerful that I used to

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<v Speaker 5>listen to her and be like, I get what I

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<v Speaker 5>get it girls.

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<v Speaker 1>The time I listened to Mary J. Blige, the main

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<v Speaker 1>question come to my mind is what did you do?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I agree, that's how good. Mary J. Make you

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<v Speaker 1>think some of your ship?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, Mary J. Blige makes me think, what

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<v Speaker 3>are you doing to make all these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Do this to you? I ain't never late go to

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<v Speaker 1>married for it. Got to be married for bro. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's a real nigga. Got to be it's married for man.

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<v Speaker 1>You see black women with Mary J. Blige. Come on, man,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't be everybody else is this is you?

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<v Speaker 6>This is you.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotta be you.

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<v Speaker 5>You remember when when Mary was happy for a minute,

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<v Speaker 5>she dropped that album and all the women was.

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<v Speaker 1>Mad and we need that this ain't the marry we

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<v Speaker 1>like doing on her relationship and.

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<v Speaker 3>Ship going to Mary J. Blige R and B. I

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<v Speaker 3>think I'm going Mary J. Blige over be nor Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh hell now as an act as far as what

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<v Speaker 3>great as the greatest R and B act of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy sometimes Mary J.

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<v Speaker 7>Blige built everything crazy, marriage crazy. Marriag's crazy as far

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<v Speaker 7>as I act, She's really up there, changed the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Energy Arena's pure R and B. She she don't even

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<v Speaker 1>have no possum. You know she up there, but don't singer.

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<v Speaker 10>She ain't whole like no lie kick and all that ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Under blues. It's just so much rhythm and blues. Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Women got mad when she didn't have the blues.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you this though, Imagine if R Kelly

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<v Speaker 5>just liked them two years older and he was still he.

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<v Speaker 10>Still probably wouldn't be change. Yeah, two years old, but

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<v Speaker 10>I think like them two years older too. I like

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<v Speaker 10>them all, you're still marry. I'm not saying she's not married.

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<v Speaker 1>She is dope. She but r Kelly dope. He's dope.

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<v Speaker 1>She's that dope Kelly dope.

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<v Speaker 7>But but I think you're talking more so now now

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<v Speaker 7>when it comes to her, I'm talking about marry. As

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<v Speaker 7>far as performing, I'm saying the way Shell songs records records,

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<v Speaker 7>she got records, record.

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<v Speaker 1>She don't have no I believe I can fly. She

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<v Speaker 1>don't have no cross.

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<v Speaker 10>She's just a black lady singing about niggas role. I

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<v Speaker 10>get that we're idiots.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a black lady from the ghetto of New York

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<v Speaker 1>talking about black men fucking her over. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>most polarizing thing you've ever saw in your life.

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<v Speaker 6>It was allowed to do with production.

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<v Speaker 5>Black women might think are Kelly better than her?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they can like them better, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>Mary does. I'm just being honest, like every does something

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<v Speaker 3>different to people. Honestly, the more I think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>I ever saw no.

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<v Speaker 1>Ship like that.

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<v Speaker 12>When a woman's fed up, Somebody said, what you're responding with,

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<v Speaker 12>what you're responding with from that, what you're responding with

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<v Speaker 12>from that?

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<v Speaker 1>Right there, nigga.

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<v Speaker 5>When when I heard when a woman's fed up, it

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<v Speaker 5>made me want to be nicer to women.

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<v Speaker 10>Your men, women, dog man.

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<v Speaker 5>I personal Mary Shait and it was it was dope,

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<v Speaker 5>it was you have a penis? But damn right, but

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<v Speaker 5>I would make you. I'm telling you I watched Mary.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro. I'm not lying.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the more I even think about it, Bro, She's

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<v Speaker 3>probably clearly the greatest R.

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<v Speaker 7>And B A.

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to know what do black women think

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<v Speaker 5>about I would like to know do black women like

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<v Speaker 5>Mary or are Robert r Kelly? I mean Robert Kelly

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<v Speaker 5>better than I just think I think black women will

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<v Speaker 5>probably be Like shout out to Fatima. She said, Nah,

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<v Speaker 5>Mary J. Blige is way better than r Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>M hmm, that's one.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's not that because I think we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about who are the greatest, But I think R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think.

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<v Speaker 10>People live the r Kelly music as much as they

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<v Speaker 10>live Mary's experience.

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<v Speaker 1>All the R Kelly I'm not talking about. No that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about understanding. People are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about that, but I'm not. I'm not gonna get into that.

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm saying is just him as R and B acts,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blige bro like.

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<v Speaker 3>I seen women be in the streets drinking, singing that

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<v Speaker 3>ship with their eyes closed.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw that for R. Kelly. I never saw

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<v Speaker 1>them living the music like I see them living the

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<v Speaker 1>music to Marry J.

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<v Speaker 11>Blige.

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<v Speaker 3>Now again, is Robert Kelly more more like of a talent? Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about just pure R and B act and

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<v Speaker 3>Mary J. Blige is not a great singer. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>crazy part is R.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly and great singers. He's a little bit better than

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<v Speaker 1>everybody getting crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>About seven seven?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, okay, so Mary? Not a seven is more Mary's

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<v Speaker 5>afford with TC.

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<v Speaker 10>No, Mary, I might give a five.

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<v Speaker 1>Five, I say five. I'll say marybody damn trap. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that's I say. Mary about the six or seven.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there's a lot to do with her production

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<v Speaker 7>with songs.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the blues that come off, the pain that come

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<v Speaker 3>off for her is like some ship.

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<v Speaker 1>I never saw that's you. That comment I was talking about.

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<v Speaker 10>You get mad at No, you ain't. Nobody did all

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<v Speaker 10>this to you? What you do, That's what I be thinking.

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<v Speaker 10>You have now mad?

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<v Speaker 5>I beat you have a tendency decide to somebody who's

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<v Speaker 5>who got a lot of pain in they and they ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you, but but you love more damn about the

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<v Speaker 1>commiss like.

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<v Speaker 3>I like more R Kelly songs than I like. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I like more R Kelly song I like Mary Ja.

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<v Speaker 3>But I've never saw music affect anyone like I see

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<v Speaker 3>like no ghetto, all the ghettos I've been to around America,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter if I was hustling or if I was

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<v Speaker 3>doing music, whatever I'm doing, I've never in my life

1:10:08.439 --> 1:10:12.400
<v Speaker 3>saw music affect people like Mary J. Blige, unless we

1:10:12.400 --> 1:10:15.840
<v Speaker 3>talk about Michael Jackson, but Mary J Blige music. I've

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<v Speaker 3>been to different ghettos, Vegas, here, New York, and when

1:10:19.840 --> 1:10:23.040
<v Speaker 3>that shit come on them, women go somewhere else.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. I'm with you. I agree with that.

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<v Speaker 5>All I'm saying is Art Kelly's shit affected people so

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<v Speaker 5>much that it's started affecting white people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he makes really good music. That shit was

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<v Speaker 1>costing all the way over.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he makes really good It was a pop

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<v Speaker 3>song at the beginning. I think he makes really great music.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not disagreeing, like I'm telling you, I think R Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think Mary J. Blige they really live

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<v Speaker 3>that like it's different. It's the level of blues is different.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just the connection they have to her is different,

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<v Speaker 3>and her shit is.

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<v Speaker 1>Just really for her. She's not even a an incredible talent,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the crazy part, but they feel it because that's

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't know why that that's a And that's

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<v Speaker 1>a prime example DT white people not on Mary like

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<v Speaker 1>that because she really is a true rhythm and blues act.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think that's what does it for you because

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<v Speaker 5>white people don't fuck with it, you love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just feel like white people don't fuck with the

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<v Speaker 1>most black things exactly.

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<v Speaker 10>It gotta be ser bad for you, like you if

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<v Speaker 10>that ship I mean of R and B initially was

1:11:36.960 --> 1:11:39.400
<v Speaker 10>race music, it was really black music.

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<v Speaker 3>It was people of race, race music. So it makes

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<v Speaker 3>I'm okay with knowing that they not. But she's still

1:11:45.320 --> 1:11:48.599
<v Speaker 3>doing arenas and that's scary.

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<v Speaker 1>NAS was opening up for her.

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<v Speaker 6>M h.

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<v Speaker 1>She don't make crossover music. It's true. I mean I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not I'm not thinking nothing away from Mary great.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I mean again, it's just Rob got as

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<v Speaker 3>many records, if not Bore records and Mary, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think what Mary records do.

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<v Speaker 1>That was just something crazy what he got way more records. Mary,

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<v Speaker 1>Mary got a lot of records. She got some records,

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<v Speaker 1>but she got a lot of record close in records. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they might be close. I'm telling you. She her ship

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<v Speaker 1>is sneaky. She didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>But but when you see how her music affects people,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the one thing I can't shake.

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<v Speaker 1>I can think of.

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<v Speaker 3>Great Robert Kelly records. I know a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 3>He's one of the best to ever make music. Man,

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<v Speaker 3>when I see her music on, it ain't a song

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<v Speaker 3>no more.

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<v Speaker 5>But see you only thinking about from motherfuckers from the carter,

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<v Speaker 5>like you got it. You only want to see if

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<v Speaker 5>that music affect niggas in the carter.

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<v Speaker 1>And like, because that's what that's what's called. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>race music.

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<v Speaker 5>Then after that, but tell me was affecting those people

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<v Speaker 5>and then that ship was traveling over to white people.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I don't care. I white people prove

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<v Speaker 1>that don't make it. It's called race music. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's called race music. So I'm okay, white people don't

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<v Speaker 1>get it. That's okay, Okay. Let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 5>Then, when you when people are doing their uh mount rushmore,

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<v Speaker 5>are they only doing it based off of.

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<v Speaker 1>Acts they don't know, they just be doing their top four.

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<v Speaker 1>Me and Trapp had a.

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<v Speaker 6>Great yeah, exactly exactly about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Really clearing that thought up.

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<v Speaker 3>And because the Mount Rushmore is not the fourth greatest president,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the fourth say that marked different things in American history.

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<v Speaker 3>One mark the beginning of the nation, one mark the

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<v Speaker 3>progress of the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>One mark.

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<v Speaker 3>There's one mark one, you know what I mean bringing

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<v Speaker 3>it back together in Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 1>We had this with death Jam.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we said the Mount Rushmore, the true Mount

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<v Speaker 3>Rushmore of death Jam would be l l right as

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<v Speaker 3>as your George Washington, I think you said public enemy.

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<v Speaker 1>As the.

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<v Speaker 6>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we put uh Beastie Boys as.

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<v Speaker 3>The one that takes to improve outside of the country,

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<v Speaker 3>and we put DMX as the Lincoln to bring the

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<v Speaker 3>sound back.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, l did his Mount Rushmore of of

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<v Speaker 5>uh def Jam also, and his my words were similar

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<v Speaker 5>to yours. People got mad at him because they the

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<v Speaker 5>most popular acts.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I don't know what and this Mount Rushmore has

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<v Speaker 3>been kind of colonized by people thinking it's the best

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<v Speaker 3>for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is what I'm asking. That's why I say,

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<v Speaker 1>if we really did the Mount Rushmore of R and

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<v Speaker 1>B really got to be on it? Baby Face got

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the Mount Rismore? Probably not?

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<v Speaker 6>So why not?

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<v Speaker 1>So who who who you put over baby Face? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>who would be who would be the who would be

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<v Speaker 1>the George Washington of Mount Rushmore?

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<v Speaker 6>For R and B?

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<v Speaker 1>That against you? You're saying, probably uh, Bobby Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean they say's hip hop's first superstar. But then

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<v Speaker 3>we have to pretty much disclude a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I don't know if I'm comfortable with this clue

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<v Speaker 3>with Stevie Wonder, that's my Margaret. Stevie Wonder would be

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<v Speaker 3>really hard. I can probably not hold on to Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson and as R and B, not as black music.

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<v Speaker 3>I could probably not hold on the Prince as R

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<v Speaker 3>and B just black music. I'm okay with that even

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<v Speaker 3>kind of you know, I can miss them in R

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<v Speaker 3>and B because I got them everywhere else, and pop

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<v Speaker 3>music day is powerful as any pop artists in the

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<v Speaker 3>history of pop music.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're still there.

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<v Speaker 3>But I couldn't really imagine the world on that list

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<v Speaker 3>without Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be really hard for me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what, I'm saying, like I listened to too

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<v Speaker 3>much of that shit, I study too much of their ship.

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<v Speaker 3>It would be really really hard for me to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>But theoretically they are considered soul and and different things.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying. You know they do make

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<v Speaker 1>R and B, but a lot of people really feel

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<v Speaker 1>like contemporary R and B is like more of an

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<v Speaker 1>eighty sting. So does Keith wet get a.

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<v Speaker 3>Ke not I don't think on red Board, don't think

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<v Speaker 3>he's got his album, his album. I'm not bad that

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<v Speaker 3>being in the conversation, but not Keith Sweat as a talent.

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<v Speaker 1>Not Keith Sweating. But at the time I'm saying, but

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<v Speaker 1>are we just doing as the talent though.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying he has one making last Forever, he needs three.

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<v Speaker 3>He would need five with his.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I Bring Back go over five hundred million albums?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but he's also so now we're talking about people

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<v Speaker 3>that are influential and matter in R and B, then

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<v Speaker 3>Baby Faces probably paramount.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's what I'm saying, when you making a while

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<v Speaker 5>other than that, have to what happened? What's the criteria is?

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<v Speaker 5>When I'm asking, well, if we're saying R and B.

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<v Speaker 5>We're talking about R and B singers.

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<v Speaker 1>R and B acts, so just R and B singers,

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<v Speaker 1>and if we're just doing as sure because because yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but it would be hard. Who would be the George

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<v Speaker 1>Washington of temperar. I guess if we did in temporary art.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, Steve gotta be the George Walsh him.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel and and hip hop R and B started

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<v Speaker 1>with Lewis Jordan's so it's like he's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>be He's like that first president America became America black

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<v Speaker 1>man that was pregnant before before, before George Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>That, Yeah, it could be Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder could

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<v Speaker 3>be on the Mount Rushmore.

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<v Speaker 7>So you've got Stevie Wonder down there. Now, you got

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<v Speaker 7>George Washington down as the birth and the foundational leader.

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<v Speaker 7>You've got Teddy, you got Thomas Jefferson expansion the visionary

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<v Speaker 7>ideas shout.

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<v Speaker 1>Out to Joke Smoke, and I thought the same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it probably would have to be this

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<v Speaker 3>is the problem with it had to be Ray Charles,

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<v Speaker 3>because Stevie Wonder is Ray Charles Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray on the on the Mount worst one. Nothing I'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to.

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<v Speaker 6>Charles was making, was making arm Vito.

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<v Speaker 3>Because he made he made so, he kind of created soul,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, He kind of created so

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<v Speaker 3>and then pop is white people soul.

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<v Speaker 6>But it was also like a like a rendition of

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<v Speaker 6>like gospel music though, but that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>But but it all comes from there. Lose comes from gospel.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything comes from gospel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just it's just tough, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem. Like it's it's hard because it's possible

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<v Speaker 1>to narrow it down to four. Yeah, I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's hard, and well, you know what, let's

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<v Speaker 1>try anyway, let's consider fucking.

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<v Speaker 5>But my thing is, I think when people do these

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<v Speaker 5>amount of Rushmore's, they they kind of set their own criteria.

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<v Speaker 1>Like y'all gofferent. But I like when you're trap do

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<v Speaker 1>it because it makes us think harder and it makes

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<v Speaker 1>us credit to get quick question, you know what.

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<v Speaker 5>Not saying the white boy makes it the right mount

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<v Speaker 5>worst or anything anybody can if you're white and give

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<v Speaker 5>me R and B Are you popp?

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<v Speaker 6>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? So six and six know who John Bellyon is?

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<v Speaker 1>Is John Billyon pop? Or is the R and B d.

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<v Speaker 11>I don't think he's really pop because but I don't

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<v Speaker 11>think he's quite R and B.

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<v Speaker 12>He kind of like I think, like his song like

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<v Speaker 12>Crop Circles could it's like more like alternative R and B.

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<v Speaker 11>But then when you think about what was the first single.

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<v Speaker 1>That Sam Smith is just pop pop last is just

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<v Speaker 1>black and white. He's just white black because.

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<v Speaker 3>If you white, you automatically anything you make is going

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<v Speaker 3>to go into a pop space.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the audience of people that's gonna take John is popular.

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<v Speaker 11>No, he's not, Yeah, he's not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not about being popular, right, That's really what it's about.

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<v Speaker 6>What was his first thing?

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<v Speaker 1>The popular one?

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<v Speaker 7>Uh?

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<v Speaker 1>Some low shade down down with long Okay, okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>with that.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm with that.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's go Ray Charles as George Washington of the R

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<v Speaker 3>and B my Rishmore's he is.

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<v Speaker 1>He is the true founder for the most part of

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<v Speaker 1>soul music.

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<v Speaker 6>Who's the expansion and the visionary ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>That's Thomas Jefferson R and B, who is a Thomas

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<v Speaker 3>Jefferson who expanded R and B.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles did a good job of making it.

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<v Speaker 4>So when you say expanded, you mean to the masses

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<v Speaker 4>or so.

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<v Speaker 3>Jefferson represents the Louisiana purchase at.

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<v Speaker 1>The time, the west. Yeah, he made because.

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<v Speaker 3>When it was the first it was just the thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>the colonies and all that, and it was just on

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<v Speaker 3>the east coast.

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<v Speaker 1>He pushed it out west. He recognized the.

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<v Speaker 6>Expansion Louisiana purchase, the Louisiana purchase.

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<v Speaker 3>Are moving it west. So who was that person that

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<v Speaker 3>took R and B from Ray Charles right? And then

1:20:52.439 --> 1:20:54.040
<v Speaker 3>they went to another le They don't have to be

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<v Speaker 3>a direct correlation.

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<v Speaker 1>They just need to take it to the next level.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it the eighty Did everybody else follow his direction

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<v Speaker 3>for that point after? Because I think Stevie wonder if

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<v Speaker 3>t is kind of like, I mean, that was the

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<v Speaker 3>same marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my thing is, what do you think Michael Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>is though? Do you consider him?

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<v Speaker 3>He would have to be in this conversation too, because

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<v Speaker 3>if you but I think Michael Jackson is that third president?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the third guy?

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<v Speaker 6>It's Abraham Lincoln? No, No, that's the fourth direction.

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<v Speaker 7>No, all right, So Theodore Roosevelt the development on an

1:21:26.720 --> 1:21:28.479
<v Speaker 7>evolution Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think Michael Jackson took it internationally because that's

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<v Speaker 3>what Teddy Roosevelt. So it's somebody between Ray Charles and

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<v Speaker 3>Teddy Roosevelt.

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<v Speaker 1>Between So they got to be between Ray Charles and Mikey. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was the person that made it.

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<v Speaker 3>A much more popular thing than Ray because Ray Charles

1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.679
<v Speaker 3>kind of ushered in soul music and really pop records.

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<v Speaker 3>To be honest, nobody would really see it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>But the more I studied he ushered in. Ray Tru

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<v Speaker 3>was ushered in pop records.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he like what we're talking about, taking gospel and

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<v Speaker 1>making it worldly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's kind of the genesis of pop music, like taking

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<v Speaker 3>a little of the ethnic, cleansing it up a little

1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:13.040
<v Speaker 3>bit and making it digestible for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>So instead of Southern tones, it must be Jesus.

1:22:15.920 --> 1:22:20.000
<v Speaker 3>It became I got a woman, must be Jesus, go

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<v Speaker 3>in and around, well, Jesus taking that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of the the the epicenter of pop music.

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<v Speaker 6>Mm hmmm.

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<v Speaker 1>So then then he would he would he.

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<v Speaker 3>Would recognize the expansion internationally, Michael Jackson, so he would

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<v Speaker 3>be there.

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<v Speaker 1>Gay, it's Marvin Gay. I would think of Marvin, but

1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I think Marvel many. Yeah, it's Marvin Gay.

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<v Speaker 3>So is Marvin Gay probably the token the greatest artist

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<v Speaker 3>out of the Motown solo act because I know Smoke

1:22:58.720 --> 1:23:00.720
<v Speaker 3>is probably the most influential, but I think Marvin is

1:23:00.720 --> 1:23:02.639
<v Speaker 3>probably the greatest Motown X solo.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's a lot of it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of acts on Moretown.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know. I don't know why. You gotta kind

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<v Speaker 6>of go through it.

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<v Speaker 4>Through like he came and never it's Marvin all right,

1:23:14.880 --> 1:23:17.080
<v Speaker 4>So if you go he had commercial success to you

1:23:17.120 --> 1:23:19.559
<v Speaker 4>remember he had commercial successful.

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<v Speaker 6>I like, I like Diana Rose.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're gonna retake the mic. Rachel's Marvin Mike yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And then and then now you have the person that

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<v Speaker 1>brought R and B back? Who who?

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<v Speaker 3>That's what you say, Bobby Brown. Now that's where we

1:23:34.080 --> 1:23:38.680
<v Speaker 3>had a conversation. Whoever, We're okay, we're focused on male,

1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:40.240
<v Speaker 3>so we're not even gonna bring you females. So that

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<v Speaker 3>way we're not even.

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<v Speaker 11>Separate Rushmore's.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll do a self a separate Rushmore. So who is

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<v Speaker 3>the person that brought R and B back to prominence?

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<v Speaker 3>That's who it is, And it probably could be like

1:23:54.760 --> 1:23:56.320
<v Speaker 3>see that's where it could get funny, right because you

1:23:56.320 --> 1:23:59.400
<v Speaker 3>could take R. Kelly is close to Bobby.

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<v Speaker 1>Kelly Brow and so on. Yeah, that's because that's right there, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>public yeah, Kelly, there it is so Ray Charles, H, Marvin,

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<v Speaker 1>Arvin Gay, Michael, Michael Jackson, R.

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<v Speaker 6>Kelly.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at that, not bad, very respective, I'm not.

1:24:22.040 --> 1:24:25.080
<v Speaker 11>I'm surprised Luther wasn't in there for you G.

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<v Speaker 3>Not mad because I think jay Z is also the

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<v Speaker 3>greatest death Jam recording artist, but he wasn't on the

1:24:34.560 --> 1:24:38.080
<v Speaker 3>Death Jam Mount I'll get you. So it's okay that

1:24:38.240 --> 1:24:41.000
<v Speaker 3>the greatest R and B singer of all time or

1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.360
<v Speaker 3>the greatest male vocalists of all time, I should say,

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<v Speaker 3>may not make the list of the Mount Rushmore.

1:24:46.760 --> 1:24:51.040
<v Speaker 1>But I'm okay with that. Ray, Charles, H, Marvin Gay,

1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:54.519
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, That's not bad.

1:24:56.520 --> 1:24:57.080
<v Speaker 11>That's not bad.

1:24:58.040 --> 1:24:58.559
<v Speaker 1>That's not bad.

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<v Speaker 3>If burst me to leave STEVIEE, but I know Stevie

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<v Speaker 3>is Ray Charles, that's his, that's his, that's his baby.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, shout out to Stevie Man, shout out for.

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<v Speaker 1>Big shots to Stevie.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's the point, Like because even when we did

1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:14.120
<v Speaker 3>even Trap, when we did the Death Jam Mount Rushmore,

1:25:14.800 --> 1:25:18.240
<v Speaker 3>it be different like it kind of we knew Death

1:25:18.320 --> 1:25:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Jam was loud and op notching, so even the skip

1:25:20.720 --> 1:25:24.120
<v Speaker 3>jay z was almost blasphemous. Bro or Warren who who

1:25:24.240 --> 1:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>brought who saved death Jam? Or but it's depth Jam

1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.880
<v Speaker 3>wasn't fuck the business. We talk about the thing that

1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:34.600
<v Speaker 3>it represented, this loud out, naxous energy that was like

1:25:35.280 --> 1:25:38.960
<v Speaker 3>street urban on the prow DMX when when when hip

1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:41.680
<v Speaker 3>hop was trying to go clean, you know, puffin and

1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:44.599
<v Speaker 3>was taking it shiny and clean, this motherfucker came out

1:25:44.600 --> 1:25:47.240
<v Speaker 3>with some tims with no socks on and an overall

1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:54.599
<v Speaker 3>short set and an overall short set screaming, barking, and growley.

1:25:55.640 --> 1:25:59.400
<v Speaker 3>That is death Jam energy summing. That's like watching LLL

1:25:59.520 --> 1:26:01.200
<v Speaker 3>Rebirth in the grimiest setting.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that.

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<v Speaker 8>I like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm a man.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just asking. I thought it was gonna be ridiculous.

1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:15.360
<v Speaker 1>But I'm not mad at Charles. Ray Charles. Could he

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<v Speaker 1>be the John Hanson and Stevie Wonder be the no either,

1:26:19.600 --> 1:26:22.439
<v Speaker 1>George Washington. I'm not mad at that either. But no,

1:26:23.320 --> 1:26:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles is like a really really big deal, like

1:26:26.880 --> 1:26:29.000
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't like they made the pop charts, but just

1:26:29.120 --> 1:26:32.080
<v Speaker 1>feel weird not having Stevie on you. But you also

1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:34.519
<v Speaker 1>have to realize Ray Charles was a successful act and

1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:36.479
<v Speaker 1>that's why Stevie got a shot in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was the first person to say blinds can't

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<v Speaker 1>do this, and I mean not just do it like

1:26:42.600 --> 1:26:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles is not Lewis Johnson. Ray Charles is like.

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<v Speaker 11>Your subtle trolling this crazy coach.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.

1:26:53.920 --> 1:26:54.479
<v Speaker 11>It's crazy.

1:26:56.280 --> 1:27:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you see what he be doing, coach Chaos. So

1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:02.160
<v Speaker 1>let me get this right. One or two a day

1:27:02.840 --> 1:27:03.760
<v Speaker 1>every time he won.

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<v Speaker 6>That know the other the craziest one was two years older.

1:27:08.479 --> 1:27:11.439
<v Speaker 6>Ship though. That was crazy. That was crazy.

1:27:13.000 --> 1:27:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Ask questions you amazing t shirts Coach Chaos.

1:27:18.840 --> 1:27:19.480
<v Speaker 11>Faiths.

1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:23.320
<v Speaker 1>I've been listening to Ain't a lot this this week.

1:27:23.400 --> 1:27:25.519
<v Speaker 11>Somebody in the chat said, what would you rate Faith Evans?

1:27:27.360 --> 1:27:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, faith is that's the real mount war Ray Charles,

1:27:32.120 --> 1:27:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Marvin Gay, Michael Jackson, and R Kelly.

1:27:36.240 --> 1:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm okay with that. I'm okay.

1:27:42.600 --> 1:27:46.200
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, not at all.

1:27:49.800 --> 1:27:49.920
<v Speaker 7>Now.

1:27:50.120 --> 1:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Females is gonna be really hard men and who any

1:27:56.120 --> 1:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>rippretending who else?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, you can't do that because he didn't go Look

1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:03.400
<v Speaker 11>the first one, it's probably hard.

1:28:03.479 --> 1:28:05.400
<v Speaker 1>To be that she might not get on she might

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<v Speaker 1>not know.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm putting Diana Ross on there, like not gonna.

1:28:10.320 --> 1:28:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Get on that at all.

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<v Speaker 3>The only person I know for sure it's gonna be

1:28:14.000 --> 1:28:16.120
<v Speaker 3>Mary J Blige. I know for sure it's gonna be

1:28:16.160 --> 1:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>Mary J Blige.

1:28:17.160 --> 1:28:19.160
<v Speaker 1>Mary J BLI gonna be at the end of it. Yeah,

1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:20.320
<v Speaker 1>she's Lincoln.

1:28:20.360 --> 1:28:24.519
<v Speaker 3>She definitely re established if it ever kind of went away,

1:28:24.520 --> 1:28:26.200
<v Speaker 3>because female R and B never went away.

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<v Speaker 1>So does Beyonce not get it?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

1:28:28.360 --> 1:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>She's not on this.

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<v Speaker 6>Diana Ross is on there right attack like you.

1:28:33.600 --> 1:28:35.639
<v Speaker 1>That's okay, that that will change. Beyonce is the one.

1:28:35.800 --> 1:28:38.000
<v Speaker 1>She's still the one that don't gotta be on every list.

1:28:39.439 --> 1:28:41.439
<v Speaker 1>She wouldn't. But if we talk about Nigga wing for seventy,

1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:43.040
<v Speaker 1>she couldn't be on the list. So she can missed

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<v Speaker 1>a list. Uh first, is is it a reason or

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<v Speaker 1>is it Billy Holliday? Billy is jazz still? But we're

1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:55.040
<v Speaker 1>talking about okay, because.

1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:59.880
<v Speaker 3>You gotta go post forty Ross, it's gonna be fifties

1:29:00.120 --> 1:29:05.320
<v Speaker 3>sixties you said on that far Who you said fifties

1:29:05.360 --> 1:29:05.879
<v Speaker 3>and sixties?

1:29:06.080 --> 1:29:07.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying who first?

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<v Speaker 6>You said?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably Aretha hold On. People love to reatha I don't

1:29:11.320 --> 1:29:12.880
<v Speaker 1>know why they loved it.

1:29:14.479 --> 1:29:16.800
<v Speaker 3>I mean, but they loved her like they were dear

1:29:16.880 --> 1:29:18.880
<v Speaker 3>to her differently, like I would love to ask my

1:29:19.360 --> 1:29:21.360
<v Speaker 3>my mask my mom one time.

1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:24.800
<v Speaker 1>You ain't like Aretha that much? Yeah, she's dope. I

1:29:24.960 --> 1:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>like Pata Bill more than Rita though. I mean yeah,

1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:30.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's Patty like she making pies and everything.

1:29:31.120 --> 1:29:33.200
<v Speaker 6>Patty Piles were playing things on Walker.

1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:35.040
<v Speaker 1>She's not on here.

1:29:35.320 --> 1:29:37.519
<v Speaker 3>Dianna is a real pop act and the coldest riding

1:29:38.600 --> 1:29:41.400
<v Speaker 3>I keep saying Dianea Ross, which she's on this list right.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's figure out who is the first James A James

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<v Speaker 1>Bell she's dope and she from La?

1:29:51.600 --> 1:29:51.760
<v Speaker 6>Is that?

1:29:51.920 --> 1:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>Is that a James from LA? I didn't know that

1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:59.599
<v Speaker 1>about Leila half the way, No, no, no way, back then, yah,

1:30:02.760 --> 1:30:04.960
<v Speaker 1>I was about we might have to come what is

1:30:05.000 --> 1:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>your George Washington? Who is a George Washington? A female

1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:10.240
<v Speaker 1>R and B You might have to come back to

1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>this one. I don't know that one because Billy Holliday

1:30:13.360 --> 1:30:15.720
<v Speaker 1>was jazz. She was before that, I remember correctly, No,

1:30:15.920 --> 1:30:17.280
<v Speaker 1>let me ask, let me ask.

1:30:18.640 --> 1:30:22.760
<v Speaker 6>Definitely jazz. She was scatting and everything like that.

1:30:23.120 --> 1:30:31.400
<v Speaker 1>It was the first female might have to be on there. Yeah,

1:30:33.360 --> 1:30:34.679
<v Speaker 1>how about Gladys Knight.

1:30:36.439 --> 1:30:40.600
<v Speaker 6>Gladys What it came up? What came up?

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<v Speaker 1>Mary Welles, That's.

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:50.640
<v Speaker 3>First female R and B superstar is often associated with

1:30:50.800 --> 1:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>Mary Welles. She is considered a pioneer of motown music

1:30:54.439 --> 1:30:57.720
<v Speaker 3>and the first successful female R and B star, that

1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:01.200
<v Speaker 3>the first female artist to achieve ainstream pop success with

1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:04.000
<v Speaker 3>hits like the one You Really Loved You and my

1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:05.439
<v Speaker 3>Guy Damn.

1:31:06.400 --> 1:31:08.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I forgot about that one, My guy.

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<v Speaker 10>Damn.

1:31:10.640 --> 1:31:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Let me see something very well.

1:31:13.280 --> 1:31:15.799
<v Speaker 6>I remember not putting on the list.

1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:20.160
<v Speaker 7>Because if you do the same thing with the R

1:31:20.160 --> 1:31:22.000
<v Speaker 7>and B that, it's not gonna come up with Ray,

1:31:22.120 --> 1:31:23.360
<v Speaker 7>It's gonna have somebody else.

1:31:23.760 --> 1:31:31.479
<v Speaker 1>Had Bobby Brown Us gonna be hard to beat that.

1:31:32.000 --> 1:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>Get some mention on here, it's gonna be hard to

1:31:34.560 --> 1:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>be very well, shock.

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<v Speaker 6>Sho go up there.

1:31:40.320 --> 1:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was. I wonder what kind of

1:31:43.520 --> 1:31:44.640
<v Speaker 1>icon Mary Wells was.

1:31:46.040 --> 1:31:47.840
<v Speaker 7>That's what I'm saying. You can't put up there. She

1:31:47.880 --> 1:31:49.840
<v Speaker 7>ain't like if it adn't come to your mind like that,

1:31:50.000 --> 1:31:51.200
<v Speaker 7>then you can't put on this list.

1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Then is this she in the group too?

1:31:53.000 --> 1:31:53.160
<v Speaker 7>Though?

1:31:54.200 --> 1:31:54.559
<v Speaker 6>Very well?

1:31:58.280 --> 1:31:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Here's one in Americas.

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<v Speaker 5>He was in a group too, Was my guy a

1:32:01.600 --> 1:32:08.600
<v Speaker 5>group song? Now without a group song? I think it

1:32:08.720 --> 1:32:09.400
<v Speaker 5>was a group song.

1:32:09.880 --> 1:32:11.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that might have been a group that.

1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:14.400
<v Speaker 6>Was a group song.

1:32:14.479 --> 1:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no it's not. That's oh no, it's not who

1:32:18.000 --> 1:32:21.120
<v Speaker 1>group was she in though they was? Wasn't in no group?

1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:24.280
<v Speaker 6>That was a solo song that my guy?

1:32:24.760 --> 1:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's interesting. You know they had vocalists, so I

1:32:30.040 --> 1:32:32.519
<v Speaker 1>could be leave that also somebody else.

1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:36.040
<v Speaker 11>Mary Wells was part of the Supremes.

1:32:36.640 --> 1:32:36.800
<v Speaker 7>Was she?

1:32:37.240 --> 1:32:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I thought she was, but I don't. I can't verify it.

1:32:41.640 --> 1:32:44.280
<v Speaker 1>AI be boys shit in half the time, I'm.

1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:45.960
<v Speaker 10>Under said, because you know them songs like she might

1:32:46.040 --> 1:32:47.800
<v Speaker 10>have sing that song and somebody else might have sing

1:32:47.880 --> 1:32:49.840
<v Speaker 10>it too, though that wasn't the group. I think the

1:32:49.920 --> 1:32:51.960
<v Speaker 10>Supremes did sing it right then the Supreme sing that

1:32:52.080 --> 1:32:52.439
<v Speaker 10>song too.

1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:56.600
<v Speaker 11>I gotta die back. That's way before my.

1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:58.840
<v Speaker 6>Time now, then the Supreme sing that song too.

1:32:59.280 --> 1:33:00.720
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, she was in the Prince for sure.

1:33:01.920 --> 1:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm okay with saying Mary Wells. I feel

1:33:05.760 --> 1:33:07.960
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know enough about Mary Wellster. That's what

1:33:08.040 --> 1:33:08.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 11>Maybe not, maybe not It said her career, Yeah, ignorant,

1:33:18.760 --> 1:33:19.599
<v Speaker 11>don't mean that it's right.

1:33:19.640 --> 1:33:21.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she had. She was a big deal because

1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>he was a big record. I'm good with Mary Wells.

1:33:25.200 --> 1:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know putting that on the Yeah, but when

1:33:30.880 --> 1:33:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you read up on Mary Wells right now, like she

1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:34.280
<v Speaker 1>seemed like a big deal.

1:33:34.240 --> 1:33:37.479
<v Speaker 10>She seemed like she did her thing and could be

1:33:38.960 --> 1:33:49.320
<v Speaker 10>I said, Dana Ross Ma first maybe Yeah, bro, I'm

1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:53.920
<v Speaker 10>with donad What the chat saying, George Washington, Yeah, I'm

1:33:54.000 --> 1:33:54.479
<v Speaker 10>with Dina.

1:33:56.439 --> 1:33:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm with Donad Ross.

1:33:57.520 --> 1:33:57.800
<v Speaker 6>George.

1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:00.800
<v Speaker 7>They said, that's what Jennifer Hudson wasn't that's what character

1:34:00.920 --> 1:34:03.960
<v Speaker 7>was based off for Oh wow, based up in manyell

1:34:04.520 --> 1:34:06.280
<v Speaker 7>mm hmm, oh wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, man, Mary Mary. I like the choice

1:34:08.960 --> 1:34:09.439
<v Speaker 1>right now.

1:34:10.960 --> 1:34:13.400
<v Speaker 6>Well Wells and Diana Ross was competition.

1:34:13.960 --> 1:34:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm gonna go downa Ross.

1:34:18.080 --> 1:34:22.160
<v Speaker 7>That's what I said from the jump. Yeah, I think

1:34:22.200 --> 1:34:25.519
<v Speaker 7>that's a push, but no, I think it gotta be her.

1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:29.080
<v Speaker 7>You got the supreme, all the supremes. And he moved

1:34:29.120 --> 1:34:31.880
<v Speaker 7>on to you know what I'm saying, like she could

1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:33.639
<v Speaker 7>even she gonna fall in one of these spots though,

1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:40.479
<v Speaker 7>she could fall into the expansion. The expansion spot though too,

1:34:40.479 --> 1:34:42.519
<v Speaker 7>because she took that she took the game out there though, too,

1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:44.880
<v Speaker 7>so you could if you wanna through many wells, you

1:34:44.920 --> 1:34:48.240
<v Speaker 7>can put her in the Theodore Roosevelt te Roosevelt spot too.

1:34:48.880 --> 1:34:49.479
<v Speaker 1>She ain't getting that.

1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:59.160
<v Speaker 6>She went so black, King Patrick, Man, come on, man, That's.

1:34:59.000 --> 1:35:02.080
<v Speaker 3>What I thought, darry Donna Ross should probably be George Washington.

1:35:02.120 --> 1:35:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I think she was the first female R and B

1:35:04.040 --> 1:35:05.280
<v Speaker 3>icon that we can remember.

1:35:06.360 --> 1:35:06.479
<v Speaker 6>Now.

1:35:06.479 --> 1:35:08.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's wrong or not, but I'm

1:35:08.439 --> 1:35:12.360
<v Speaker 3>thinking that's what's important, right is we're remembering like George.

1:35:12.600 --> 1:35:14.560
<v Speaker 3>We all know George Washington is that's not none of

1:35:14.680 --> 1:35:16.479
<v Speaker 3>us go trip. Even if we don't know much about

1:35:16.479 --> 1:35:18.439
<v Speaker 3>George Washington, we know that's George Washington.

1:35:22.520 --> 1:35:24.759
<v Speaker 11>The same thing it's Whitney.

1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:28.639
<v Speaker 1>And hold on, let's can we agree with donnad Ross

1:35:28.680 --> 1:35:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and Georgian put Mike?

1:35:31.240 --> 1:35:33.920
<v Speaker 6>Did we put Mike in the in the men joint? Yeah?

1:35:34.640 --> 1:35:35.559
<v Speaker 1>And he introduced her?

1:35:36.160 --> 1:35:37.160
<v Speaker 6>All right, all right, all right.

1:35:41.080 --> 1:35:42.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm just saying, because if you want, you gonna put

1:35:42.840 --> 1:35:44.560
<v Speaker 7>Mike in there, because Mike was a pop and you

1:35:44.600 --> 1:35:47.240
<v Speaker 7>can't put Whitney up in there, even that Whitney super pop.

1:35:47.439 --> 1:35:49.479
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I don't know if Whitney gonna

1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>make a period.

1:35:50.600 --> 1:35:51.320
<v Speaker 6>Whitney was pop.

1:35:52.080 --> 1:35:54.400
<v Speaker 11>So what's the second criteria forgot?

1:35:54.520 --> 1:35:58.519
<v Speaker 3>So it's Jefferson if they expanded it. Okay, they took

1:35:58.560 --> 1:36:01.240
<v Speaker 3>it from Donna Ross and wentn't even further. That might

1:36:01.320 --> 1:36:05.280
<v Speaker 3>be it shouldn't it should have been Mary Wells and

1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:05.920
<v Speaker 3>Dona Roll.

1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:09.160
<v Speaker 1>That might be Aretha That could I roll with that too?

1:36:09.560 --> 1:36:11.040
<v Speaker 11>Mary Wells first, Diana Ross?

1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it probably should be Dona Ross. Have we

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<v Speaker 1>all heard of Mary Wells? I have obvious when you

1:36:17.400 --> 1:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>were younger.

1:36:18.080 --> 1:36:20.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Motown was a big deal when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 1>Dina Ross was the queen of Motown. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's go Mary Diana. I still think we're kind

1:36:29.040 --> 1:36:35.360
<v Speaker 3>of cheating, But Diana is way before Diana Ross, so

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<v Speaker 3>just go down.

1:36:36.640 --> 1:36:42.240
<v Speaker 1>She's way before donas time for years, ten years. I

1:36:42.280 --> 1:36:43.680
<v Speaker 1>don't think that much, is it is?

1:36:43.840 --> 1:36:45.720
<v Speaker 3>I think Mary Wells's first song when I looked, was

1:36:45.800 --> 1:36:48.519
<v Speaker 3>like sixty two, and Dona ross first album is in seventy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we go married then Diana though?

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<v Speaker 6>What about the Supremes? Though?

1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know what I'm with revenge.

1:36:54.600 --> 1:36:57.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm with revenge, he said, I don't know Mary Wells,

1:36:57.280 --> 1:36:57.919
<v Speaker 3>that's important.

1:36:58.720 --> 1:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>He knows who George washed into the gout.

1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:05.320
<v Speaker 6>That makes She's probably from Canada too.

1:37:05.520 --> 1:37:08.080
<v Speaker 3>I think I was the president of America before everything.

1:37:08.400 --> 1:37:10.200
<v Speaker 3>That's who she represents. I think you I think you

1:37:10.200 --> 1:37:11.559
<v Speaker 3>gotta go one or the other, though, I don't think

1:37:11.560 --> 1:37:13.760
<v Speaker 3>you can go both. Yeah, not both, Okay, Dona Ross

1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:16.720
<v Speaker 3>is George Washing. So then who took it where I

1:37:16.760 --> 1:37:21.840
<v Speaker 3>said I would read the Franklin Yeah from Donnah Ross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah she did. I don't know if I took it

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<v Speaker 1>away out there.

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<v Speaker 11>Aretha Franklin was Aretha Franklin was after Dona.

1:37:32.160 --> 1:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>Rossad frank.

1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:37.920
<v Speaker 4>She had her long career all the way through, even

1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:38.880
<v Speaker 4>after Dona Ross.

1:37:39.160 --> 1:37:41.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, but she older than Dona Ross.

1:37:42.040 --> 1:37:45.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Diana Ross had a solo career. You got to

1:37:46.000 --> 1:37:48.200
<v Speaker 7>go back to the to the sopruns and all that.

1:37:48.320 --> 1:37:48.519
<v Speaker 6>Though.

1:37:48.800 --> 1:37:49.640
<v Speaker 7>You know what what.

1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:57.880
<v Speaker 3>Aretha Franklin is. Aretha Franklin is the George and Donna

1:37:58.000 --> 1:37:59.320
<v Speaker 3>Russell is Jefferson.

1:37:59.400 --> 1:38:00.960
<v Speaker 11>That makes sense because that's what.

1:38:01.080 --> 1:38:02.800
<v Speaker 6>I was expansion, That's what I'm saying.

1:38:03.000 --> 1:38:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Expon Franklin was like the first Yeah, her longevity was unbelievable.

1:38:09.560 --> 1:38:16.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah Franklin. Okay, all right, So Aretha then Diana Ross.

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<v Speaker 3>Franklin is George Washington and then Diana Ross. Okay, I'm

1:38:21.640 --> 1:38:24.800
<v Speaker 3>okay with that. That makes sense.

1:38:25.680 --> 1:38:30.200
<v Speaker 1>So now the third one, and what this third one represent?

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<v Speaker 3>Aretha Franklin is she was born in forty two, Donald

1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Ross was born in forty four, but their career started

1:38:37.920 --> 1:38:38.759
<v Speaker 3>ten years apart.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, that could be the same age Maria first.

1:38:43.200 --> 1:38:43.519
<v Speaker 1>Read it.

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<v Speaker 4>So what's the third one third crut? What's the third one?

1:38:47.479 --> 1:38:47.920
<v Speaker 1>Third one?

1:38:48.160 --> 1:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>Is Teddy Roosevelt? Right, and he represented the expansion out

1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:54.120
<v Speaker 3>of the country. I think what was the Panama Canal was.

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<v Speaker 1>The big thing, and that would be Whitney. Whitney was

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<v Speaker 1>international act like that.

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<v Speaker 6>Are you serious?

1:39:03.280 --> 1:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>She was the female Michael got no coming on that.

1:39:06.760 --> 1:39:07.559
<v Speaker 6>That's what I was saying.

1:39:07.680 --> 1:39:09.679
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking, I'm thinking, I'm trying to think because

1:39:09.680 --> 1:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think. But she's that big. I think she.

1:39:12.600 --> 1:39:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I think she was big.

1:39:14.200 --> 1:39:14.519
<v Speaker 7>She was.

1:39:16.240 --> 1:39:20.440
<v Speaker 4>To have a super Bowl, big glass movie, super Bowl Bodyguard,

1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:21.520
<v Speaker 4>all that stuff.

1:39:21.240 --> 1:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>And the super National anthem the super Bowl the national

1:39:24.479 --> 1:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>wasn't that the super Bowl?

1:39:26.160 --> 1:39:30.519
<v Speaker 6>We got the super Bowl National anthem? Different?

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<v Speaker 1>Okaycuse not say halftime show. Yeah, that's the fact. You're right,

1:39:36.439 --> 1:39:39.880
<v Speaker 1>my bad, But no, she was big.

1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.519
<v Speaker 5>So who we say was bigger than Whitney, Well, it's

1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:49.439
<v Speaker 5>not bigger than I mean, I'm from international spanding the past.

1:39:49.800 --> 1:39:51.000
<v Speaker 5>If we if we were going to if we're not

1:39:51.040 --> 1:39:54.080
<v Speaker 5>putting her there, who do we say was expect you know,

1:39:54.800 --> 1:39:56.320
<v Speaker 5>look at the women that came out. You're right, it

1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:58.400
<v Speaker 5>has to be Whitney. It has to be with me

1:39:58.880 --> 1:40:02.720
<v Speaker 5>then Almos for getting me roughly. And it's not like

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<v Speaker 5>I don't have respect for Whitney. He like puts in respect.

1:40:04.760 --> 1:40:07.479
<v Speaker 1>It's not that it's just try to get it right,

1:40:07.520 --> 1:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>but it probably the best vocalists to me in my

1:40:10.760 --> 1:40:14.320
<v Speaker 1>mind too. Need to read the Franklin too. Yeah, I

1:40:14.360 --> 1:40:16.120
<v Speaker 1>said she was like a niece or or something like

1:40:16.200 --> 1:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>a god daughter or some ship that makes sense with Mary.

1:40:21.080 --> 1:40:22.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I just I just.

1:40:24.080 --> 1:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Conover Whitney as an international star.

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<v Speaker 7>You want to hear who Jack who chat GPT said?

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<v Speaker 7>They said, they said to read the Franklin, Georgia Washington.

1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:40.679
<v Speaker 7>They said, Thomas Jefferson is Beyonce, Abraham Lincoln is married

1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:44.479
<v Speaker 7>J Blige, and then and Teddy Roosevelt shot there.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I'm not mad at that. I'm gonna tell

1:40:50.280 --> 1:40:53.200
<v Speaker 3>you why I didn't disagree because I knew Mary J.

1:40:53.360 --> 1:40:55.280
<v Speaker 3>Blige is the return of R and B.

1:40:55.800 --> 1:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>And we all agree.

1:40:57.160 --> 1:40:59.760
<v Speaker 3>Read the Franklin with George Washington. The only difference is

1:40:59.800 --> 1:41:02.560
<v Speaker 3>what we're saying about Donna Ross. They said, who was it?

1:41:02.800 --> 1:41:06.320
<v Speaker 7>Beyonce said, Beyonce with Teddy Roosevelt. I mean, I mean,

1:41:06.360 --> 1:41:07.240
<v Speaker 7>I'm time with Jefferson.

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<v Speaker 5>Excuse me, Okay, so I kind of jumped to, uh,

1:41:13.200 --> 1:41:16.559
<v Speaker 5>my only disagreement with that that with that rim party shot,

1:41:18.160 --> 1:41:19.280
<v Speaker 5>I said, Beyonce too.

1:41:20.439 --> 1:41:22.400
<v Speaker 7>They put they put shot there. They said, because the

1:41:22.479 --> 1:41:25.280
<v Speaker 7>timeless innovation and drama elevation.

1:41:27.400 --> 1:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>This is a bad motherfucker. Yeah, we don't know, Beyonce.

1:41:31.720 --> 1:41:34.200
<v Speaker 10>I mean know we're gonna go, uh, they're gonna go Whitney.

1:41:34.280 --> 1:41:42.200
<v Speaker 10>Why Whitney for West spot for for Teddy Jefferson. I'm not, man, Yeah,

1:41:42.240 --> 1:41:42.479
<v Speaker 10>I'm not.

1:41:43.680 --> 1:41:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not.

1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:46.960
<v Speaker 7>She was so popped though, she was just so popped though.

1:41:47.000 --> 1:41:51.720
<v Speaker 7>That's the only thing, Like she wasn't really like R

1:41:51.720 --> 1:41:53.760
<v Speaker 7>and B songs for Whinney Houston like that. Man, that's

1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:55.160
<v Speaker 7>the same what you say about Michael Jackson.

1:41:55.840 --> 1:42:01.080
<v Speaker 1>I know he was hello pop. Yeah, black people looked

1:42:01.120 --> 1:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>at her as R and B.

1:42:02.840 --> 1:42:03.160
<v Speaker 6>They did.

1:42:03.640 --> 1:42:06.400
<v Speaker 1>We're looking at hindsight now, No, they didn't look at No,

1:42:06.680 --> 1:42:11.559
<v Speaker 1>they didn't know they did. It was the white people

1:42:12.400 --> 1:42:15.000
<v Speaker 1>can talk ship about what I mean, they knew, they

1:42:15.040 --> 1:42:18.360
<v Speaker 1>all knew she could sing her ass off. But that's like, yeah,

1:42:18.400 --> 1:42:20.479
<v Speaker 1>people didn't talk about Whitney.

1:42:21.520 --> 1:42:22.479
<v Speaker 6>He was there, he was there.

1:42:23.280 --> 1:42:27.160
<v Speaker 1>He can hear this sing. She was pretty. That's true.

1:42:27.200 --> 1:42:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know. That's not what she's saying. You didn't know.

1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:33.160
<v Speaker 3>That's how you can see Luther was gay as the motherfucker.

1:42:33.240 --> 1:42:35.240
<v Speaker 3>I had never had no idea like Luther was gay.

1:42:35.880 --> 1:42:37.760
<v Speaker 3>That's how good that nigga saying that. I didn't even

1:42:37.880 --> 1:42:39.640
<v Speaker 3>when I saw never too much, And I'm like, oh,

1:42:39.680 --> 1:42:40.800
<v Speaker 3>this nigga obviously was gay.

1:42:41.080 --> 1:42:43.479
<v Speaker 1>But he's saying so fucking good. I was like, this

1:42:43.640 --> 1:42:44.719
<v Speaker 1>nigga is the best.

1:42:44.960 --> 1:42:54.679
<v Speaker 14>That's how George Michaels was like, yeah, yeah, a white

1:42:54.680 --> 1:42:56.679
<v Speaker 14>people get that off coat.

1:42:57.720 --> 1:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>So what's the four for the women?

1:43:00.240 --> 1:43:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Because reading Franklin Dona Ross, we're saying we the Houston

1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:07.599
<v Speaker 3>instead of yeah, Beyonce is not on there.

1:43:08.120 --> 1:43:11.880
<v Speaker 1>No, it's gonna be Mary j Got they gotta be Beyonce.

1:43:12.040 --> 1:43:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Guys to break the bad news to you.

1:43:14.280 --> 1:43:15.839
<v Speaker 6>Mary J. Bro Back.

1:43:18.000 --> 1:43:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Covers, Mary J. Blige broke that real R and B.

1:43:21.280 --> 1:43:27.439
<v Speaker 7>You know what somebody just said about us rocked though

1:43:27.640 --> 1:43:31.360
<v Speaker 7>she was hold on that again. Somebody mentioned Tina Turner though,

1:43:31.400 --> 1:43:32.080
<v Speaker 7>but I don't.

1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:32.799
<v Speaker 6>I don't really.

1:43:36.280 --> 1:43:38.479
<v Speaker 1>Turner actually actually know Tina Turner's career.

1:43:38.600 --> 1:43:42.519
<v Speaker 3>No, wow, what's hold Ontina? Contina was rocked, got into

1:43:42.640 --> 1:43:44.760
<v Speaker 3>R and B and she when she went, she went.

1:43:44.760 --> 1:43:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Okay, so you're talking about Okay, she wasn't even the

1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:49.080
<v Speaker 5>genre of music. She don't fit the giant.

1:43:49.280 --> 1:43:51.080
<v Speaker 1>She don't really have. What's not got to do with?

1:43:51.120 --> 1:43:53.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not an R and B song, that's not that's

1:43:53.280 --> 1:43:56.960
<v Speaker 1>a rock song too. Okay, all right, okay, so I'd

1:43:57.040 --> 1:43:59.599
<v Speaker 1>like to list you did Yeah.

1:44:02.240 --> 1:44:07.280
<v Speaker 3>Behind the Ross Whitney Houston and Mary J. Block brought

1:44:07.320 --> 1:44:08.000
<v Speaker 3>back Real lawd B.

1:44:08.120 --> 1:44:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is not mad? I'm not mad? Wait what was it?

1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:18.000
<v Speaker 1>What did it say? What did that gv T say?

1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:22.519
<v Speaker 7>They said it said that said all right, hold on,

1:44:24.200 --> 1:44:28.160
<v Speaker 7>all right, So they said George Washington is Aretha Franklin.

1:44:28.760 --> 1:44:32.240
<v Speaker 7>They said they gave her a birth. The expansion they

1:44:32.360 --> 1:44:34.640
<v Speaker 7>gave that was that was Thomas Jefferson and gave that

1:44:34.720 --> 1:44:40.280
<v Speaker 7>to Beyonce, the Preservation, they gave it that, Abraham Lincoln,

1:44:40.320 --> 1:44:44.679
<v Speaker 7>they gave it to Mary j and the development. Theodore

1:44:44.760 --> 1:44:47.920
<v Speaker 7>Roosevelt gave the shot the I'm not mad.

1:44:47.800 --> 1:44:51.360
<v Speaker 1>At that though. Who they could hear Beyonce too. They're

1:44:51.360 --> 1:44:53.600
<v Speaker 1>saying she was like the uh they're saying she was.

1:44:53.800 --> 1:44:58.760
<v Speaker 7>Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln. You said you said no, no, no, no,

1:44:58.840 --> 1:44:59.320
<v Speaker 7>you said beyond.

1:44:59.400 --> 1:45:01.120
<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry. You said said that.

1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:05.400
<v Speaker 1>Was taking Tina Turner to me.

1:45:05.960 --> 1:45:09.200
<v Speaker 9>It said global, it said global reach, drama been there

1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:14.280
<v Speaker 9>her dad over Tina Turner. She's like, well there, so no,

1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:16.160
<v Speaker 9>she didn't that bring nothing new?

1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:24.680
<v Speaker 6>Who be Yeah, she didn't bring nothing new roads on it.

1:45:25.840 --> 1:45:26.080
<v Speaker 4>Huh.

1:45:26.680 --> 1:45:28.000
<v Speaker 6>They didn't put Diana Ross on it.

1:45:29.720 --> 1:45:31.840
<v Speaker 1>Understand why you don't put Dona Ross on it? I

1:45:31.960 --> 1:45:34.760
<v Speaker 1>understand why not. But I'm but I mean I would

1:45:34.800 --> 1:45:39.240
<v Speaker 1>put Diana Ross I take on list because I agree

1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:40.400
<v Speaker 1>with trap. She expanded.

1:45:40.800 --> 1:45:44.680
<v Speaker 3>She took what Areka Franklin was doing and a national thing.

1:45:44.800 --> 1:45:47.200
<v Speaker 3>She became like a national superstar.

1:45:47.840 --> 1:45:48.839
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, she was crazy.

1:45:49.160 --> 1:45:51.960
<v Speaker 1>She was really some ship. Like that's why we know

1:45:53.360 --> 1:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm about to say.

1:45:54.080 --> 1:45:55.720
<v Speaker 10>And she was the one that was bringing out she

1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:58.320
<v Speaker 10>put out like the Jackson five she brought out.

1:45:58.400 --> 1:46:00.519
<v Speaker 7>She brought out math. You didn't do math to the world.

1:46:00.920 --> 1:46:06.719
<v Speaker 7>I'm saying. She was expanding, people don'tet win movies.

1:46:07.240 --> 1:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>But it's scary. What's her greatest R and B song?

1:46:12.280 --> 1:46:13.000
<v Speaker 1>That's my thing?

1:46:14.600 --> 1:46:15.200
<v Speaker 6>What's the name?

1:46:18.240 --> 1:46:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Feel Me?

1:46:19.360 --> 1:46:26.559
<v Speaker 6>Killing me? Infensive for this and she got that. Yeah,

1:46:26.640 --> 1:46:29.280
<v Speaker 6>she got she got some ship. She got some ship.

1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:32.840
<v Speaker 5>It's funny because I got introduced to Diana Rouss through

1:46:32.880 --> 1:46:33.800
<v Speaker 5>acting for music.

1:46:34.360 --> 1:46:38.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, she's like, yeah, actress first, and then I

1:46:38.880 --> 1:46:42.080
<v Speaker 1>heard on the soundtrack and I was like, I always

1:46:42.120 --> 1:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>knew she was sick. I did not know I've seen her,

1:46:45.640 --> 1:46:47.240
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, oh, then I heard the soundtrack,

1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>I was like who.

1:46:48.520 --> 1:46:51.000
<v Speaker 3>One of the things I was screaming about when dot

1:46:51.040 --> 1:46:54.240
<v Speaker 3>won that final award for that Grammy was Diana.

1:46:54.000 --> 1:46:54.640
<v Speaker 1>Ross gave him.

1:46:55.400 --> 1:46:58.120
<v Speaker 6>He did say that. He did say that to this

1:46:58.320 --> 1:46:58.920
<v Speaker 6>whole hell.

1:46:59.040 --> 1:47:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's man. I checked that. Nigga.

1:47:01.600 --> 1:47:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I said, Dina Ross, nigga that nigga hit me back

1:47:03.880 --> 1:47:07.920
<v Speaker 3>like damn. I'm like, nigga, he killed that. He was

1:47:07.960 --> 1:47:13.559
<v Speaker 3>like yo, he came up like what Dinah Ross bro Wow,

1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:17.680
<v Speaker 3>that was like a big deal. The Awards Donald and

1:47:17.760 --> 1:47:18.439
<v Speaker 3>gave it to you.

1:47:19.120 --> 1:47:20.960
<v Speaker 1>Then I said that what made it so crazy was

1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:22.919
<v Speaker 1>that then she gave Mike his fipp.

1:47:22.680 --> 1:47:23.240
<v Speaker 6>One that time.

1:47:23.320 --> 1:47:25.840
<v Speaker 7>No, some like that, they said, but that was in

1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:28.720
<v Speaker 7>the I wasn't for one sothing. Yeah, I'm just saying,

1:47:28.760 --> 1:47:31.000
<v Speaker 7>though it was it was like that the same amount.

1:47:31.160 --> 1:47:32.200
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, for sure.

1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:36.240
<v Speaker 1>It could be. Besides Dona Ross.

1:47:38.680 --> 1:47:41.160
<v Speaker 3>I don't Frankling within the Houston So that looked like

1:47:41.200 --> 1:47:44.800
<v Speaker 3>what the seventies I'm rolling Diana me too. What I'm

1:47:44.800 --> 1:47:49.400
<v Speaker 3>saying's anybody we're not thinking about. I can't think anybody

1:47:50.479 --> 1:47:53.439
<v Speaker 3>the chest seventies R and B singers.

1:47:56.720 --> 1:48:01.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, they had.

1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:05.880
<v Speaker 6>To be a big deal to somebody. You saying Tammy Terrell, Oh.

1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:08.679
<v Speaker 1>It was more like her and Marvin Gay, the duets

1:48:08.680 --> 1:48:15.439
<v Speaker 1>about Temmy burning Flat, Dona Russell Summers after flat Fire.

1:48:19.920 --> 1:48:22.720
<v Speaker 1>I thought she would this guy, you know, I mean,

1:48:22.760 --> 1:48:23.960
<v Speaker 1>but about the same.

1:48:24.760 --> 1:48:27.160
<v Speaker 3>Gwyn Dicky is another dope singer that we didn't talk about.

1:48:27.200 --> 1:48:29.240
<v Speaker 3>Vocal lead singer from Rose Royce.

1:48:29.520 --> 1:48:40.400
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, hopefully she's crazy vocally

1:48:40.479 --> 1:48:41.200
<v Speaker 6>she might be a nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, bro, are we tripping on Shoka like that?

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<v Speaker 6>Shock could do that?

1:48:48.520 --> 1:48:52.120
<v Speaker 1>It could be Shocked or Gladys Night, lad As Night.

1:48:52.280 --> 1:48:55.559
<v Speaker 1>We have not talked about glad. I mentioned glad It's Night. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know why she wasn't a solo act even turning.

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, I think you said the Pimps.

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<v Speaker 11>I used to I used to think that's what.

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<v Speaker 1>We all thought.

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<v Speaker 12>It was glad at Night in the Pimps, that that

1:49:16.880 --> 1:49:18.280
<v Speaker 12>had me messed up when I was a kid, and

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<v Speaker 12>that that Uh go see cal commercial they used.

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<v Speaker 11>To play all the time.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, go see caw see caw. That's what it sounded like, bro,

1:49:28.840 --> 1:49:29.599
<v Speaker 12>when I was a little kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how we've seen that ship way up

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<v Speaker 1>in Washington.

1:49:35.680 --> 1:49:37.880
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, it was definitely a regional commercial for sure. But

1:49:38.120 --> 1:49:40.040
<v Speaker 11>I definitely did not think you.

1:49:40.080 --> 1:49:42.800
<v Speaker 4>Put one up there in Frederick Way, Kyle Worthington, Uh

1:49:43.600 --> 1:49:52.080
<v Speaker 4>franchise up there in Washington. I was animals and ships.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably hold on, I'm looking right now, man, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be tough to be Dona Ross man.

1:50:02.720 --> 1:50:08.360
<v Speaker 5>I think they got staples on here, rolling Chaka Khan,

1:50:08.479 --> 1:50:09.160
<v Speaker 5>Donna Summers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good list right here.

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<v Speaker 4>That's down the Summers one given a rough for money.

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<v Speaker 11>That's how good the music was when it's.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah, Aretha Franklin is the George Washington, Dinah

1:50:23.720 --> 1:50:28.280
<v Speaker 3>Ross is Tom Jefferson, Whitney Houston is the Teddy Roosevelt.

1:50:28.400 --> 1:50:28.720
<v Speaker 14>Mary J.

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<v Speaker 3>Blige is the Leacuoln. I'm gonna say with that Eddie Ray,

1:50:33.880 --> 1:50:38.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm okay, I could breathe with that. I'm locking that

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<v Speaker 3>in a lock it ro Ween mm hmm, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>with that.

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<v Speaker 6>Call a call so so la yeah up.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm.

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<v Speaker 1>Mary J. Blige is really the one, bro. You you

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<v Speaker 1>fuck what you think of Mary? So?

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<v Speaker 4>What's what's unanimous? Which one of those is unanimous on

1:51:11.800 --> 1:51:15.880
<v Speaker 4>both lists? What's unanimous? Like great is unanimous?

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<v Speaker 1>Areatha was unanimous, Diana Diana Ross is not shaky, Whitney

1:51:21.080 --> 1:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Houston was shaky, okay, and Mary J is is unanimous? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who could you replace Mary J. Blige with?

1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>As Franklin is the only unanimous one. Yeah for sure, Nah,

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go married. It's hard, man.

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<v Speaker 6>I understand what the on there though.

1:51:39.479 --> 1:51:42.200
<v Speaker 1>You can't Beyonce didn't bring That's what I'm saying. We

1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:44.880
<v Speaker 1>can't flip Beyonce on there. Bring R and B back

1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:50.080
<v Speaker 1>with the Desney, not bring like, I'm like it was

1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:54.840
<v Speaker 1>dead to be win solo no beyond started making up

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<v Speaker 1>stopped that and then males. It was Ray Charles. That

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<v Speaker 1>is a unanimous ones.

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<v Speaker 3>We all agreed that Ray Charles probably was the first. Okay,

1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:05.760
<v Speaker 3>you kind of want to say sty wanted, but we

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<v Speaker 3>said Ray Charles. He went on his as though he

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Wonder Sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles. Number two was Marvin Gay. That was a

1:52:12.800 --> 1:52:15.760
<v Speaker 1>tough one. So that wasn't unanimous, but I think we

1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:18.439
<v Speaker 1>kind of realized it needed to be. Okay, is that fair?

1:52:18.560 --> 1:52:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Six Again, Marvin Gay really united, he needed to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh, we got the unanimous on just trying to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out that us needed okay, so that's too unanimous.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Jackson was kind of the shaky one that we

1:52:33.520 --> 1:52:36.519
<v Speaker 3>all just had to accept, okay, and we all.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed that had to be r Kelly three unanimous is

1:52:41.040 --> 1:52:45.160
<v Speaker 1>on that one? Okay? I think the male one it

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely have chat GBT make us a drawing.

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<v Speaker 6>Of that. Yeah, I don't think we're gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 11>I can do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it.

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<v Speaker 1>On your statement? Gn next equal Striller. I like that

1:53:54.800 --> 1:53:55.960
<v Speaker 1>shout out to No Selings.

1:53:58.439 --> 1:54:00.280
<v Speaker 3>I just knew it was going to have a about

1:54:00.360 --> 1:54:02.880
<v Speaker 3>five or six records that were gonna be big records,

1:54:03.160 --> 1:54:03.799
<v Speaker 3>big singers.

1:54:05.720 --> 1:54:12.880
<v Speaker 1>The way it's composed, the success, it's like him.

1:54:12.960 --> 1:54:15.639
<v Speaker 3>It's like the culmination of all his powers coming into

1:54:15.680 --> 1:54:18.880
<v Speaker 3>one in him understanding exactly how much of himself he

1:54:18.960 --> 1:54:22.280
<v Speaker 3>needed to present, yet how much he needed to align

1:54:22.439 --> 1:54:25.759
<v Speaker 3>himself culturally. Like I think that was important for Michael

1:54:25.800 --> 1:54:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Jackson with Thriller. Like I think that's where he went

1:54:28.200 --> 1:54:31.719
<v Speaker 3>wrong on Bad. Bad didn't have a real black music feel,

1:54:32.960 --> 1:54:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Like I think he wasn't really digging black music at

1:54:36.080 --> 1:54:36.400
<v Speaker 3>the time.

1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:38.200
<v Speaker 1>Like at that time, probably the.

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<v Speaker 3>Biggest Black act in the eighty seven would have probably

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<v Speaker 3>been Cameo, right it Candies around that time. Like I

1:54:47.240 --> 1:54:50.000
<v Speaker 3>think he didn't really I think Michael Jackson see before

1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:52.320
<v Speaker 3>that when he did Thriller, he was able to look

1:54:52.360 --> 1:54:54.480
<v Speaker 3>at Hall of Notes, who had a different pipeline of

1:54:54.520 --> 1:54:58.640
<v Speaker 3>black people. Right, So when you hear Billy Jean, you

1:54:58.720 --> 1:55:03.400
<v Speaker 3>could hear I can't go that Rick James was destroying

1:55:03.520 --> 1:55:04.520
<v Speaker 3>at that time, right.

1:55:05.000 --> 1:55:05.920
<v Speaker 1>You know further problem.

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<v Speaker 4>I was just thinking about what you just said. A

1:55:08.040 --> 1:55:10.400
<v Speaker 4>lot of them older groups like Commodorees and all them

1:55:10.720 --> 1:55:16.040
<v Speaker 4>started going solo in the eighties and stuff, Well they

1:55:16.120 --> 1:55:18.560
<v Speaker 4>started going sold them groups started going solo, but it

1:55:18.680 --> 1:55:19.640
<v Speaker 4>wasn't the eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>But it wasn't just that, right, like they Cameo was

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<v Speaker 3>doing damage to black music at that time. The Cameo

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<v Speaker 3>was for sure the blackest thing I heard at that

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<v Speaker 3>time in the midti Yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like the last group. Everybody started going solo and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what he was saying wasn't Teddy wasn't

1:55:38.560 --> 1:55:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Teddy rockling around that time too? Yep, Teddy Teddy is

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<v Speaker 1>a little earlier earlier.

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<v Speaker 6>It was earlier eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Then the mid to late eighties, he was solo like

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<v Speaker 1>in the late seventies, right, was he?

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was what was it was the early

1:55:53.240 --> 1:55:56.840
<v Speaker 3>eighties about Teddy pinograms vocally, That's another one of your

1:55:56.840 --> 1:55:57.360
<v Speaker 3>favorite votes.

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<v Speaker 1>That's about right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mention trapping and I think and I think Michael

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson ignored Cameo mm hmm.

1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:08.760
<v Speaker 1>I think he saw that as I wonder, what was

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<v Speaker 1>the conversation about musicianship.

1:56:10.480 --> 1:56:13.400
<v Speaker 3>Around Cameo, like how it was around James Brown, the

1:56:13.520 --> 1:56:16.320
<v Speaker 3>New York Players New York City players was different. I

1:56:16.400 --> 1:56:19.520
<v Speaker 3>mean they didn't really the New York Players like Cameo

1:56:19.600 --> 1:56:21.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't really Cameo was out there though.

1:56:21.880 --> 1:56:24.600
<v Speaker 6>They was mexing with Cameo over here. Pop.

1:56:24.960 --> 1:56:29.280
<v Speaker 1>No, that was that was to me the biggest thing. Again,

1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid. The biggest thing on the black

1:56:32.040 --> 1:56:36.080
<v Speaker 1>scene to me at that time was Cameo. Bro. Cameo

1:56:36.320 --> 1:56:38.600
<v Speaker 1>was like because hip hop was coming to run everything

1:56:38.720 --> 1:56:39.400
<v Speaker 1>down at this point.

1:56:39.840 --> 1:56:42.960
<v Speaker 3>This is mid to late eighties hip hop running everything

1:56:43.040 --> 1:56:44.880
<v Speaker 3>down LLL and them starting to run sh it down.

1:56:44.880 --> 1:56:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Here come in w A, here come all this rap.

1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Cameo couldn't been a welcome map for hip hops. Well,

1:56:50.160 --> 1:56:51.760
<v Speaker 1>it kind of was hip hop, you know what I'm saying,

1:56:52.600 --> 1:56:56.880
<v Speaker 1>right hip He had a soft call word up that

1:56:57.000 --> 1:57:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was hip hop right now. But my Michael Jackson, I

1:57:01.080 --> 1:57:02.000
<v Speaker 1>think ignored that.

1:57:02.280 --> 1:57:05.440
<v Speaker 3>So when he looked for his urban influence of musicianship

1:57:05.520 --> 1:57:09.080
<v Speaker 3>at that time, him and him and Quincy, I think

1:57:09.120 --> 1:57:11.240
<v Speaker 3>they looked to Ray Parker when they should have looked

1:57:11.280 --> 1:57:14.240
<v Speaker 3>at Cameo and Ray Parker. At that time, Kinna already

1:57:14.280 --> 1:57:18.040
<v Speaker 3>had a pop sound like Bad is like Ghostbusters Ghostbusters.

1:57:18.360 --> 1:57:20.760
<v Speaker 3>This the same song, but Ghostbusters is corny as fuck.

1:57:20.800 --> 1:57:24.240
<v Speaker 3>It's already not tight, Like none of us really fucked

1:57:24.240 --> 1:57:25.920
<v Speaker 3>with Ghostbusters unless we was little kids like.

1:57:25.920 --> 1:57:27.800
<v Speaker 1>We were, and we just jammed it. But that wasn't

1:57:27.920 --> 1:57:29.280
<v Speaker 1>like a song we fucked with.

1:57:29.840 --> 1:57:32.680
<v Speaker 3>So I think he didn't look at Cameo the way

1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:35.240
<v Speaker 3>he looked at Rick James to make Thriller, or the

1:57:35.280 --> 1:57:37.960
<v Speaker 3>way he looked at different black acts to kind of

1:57:38.040 --> 1:57:41.480
<v Speaker 3>put black music into bad. So then you just end

1:57:41.560 --> 1:57:44.160
<v Speaker 3>up with kind of this really pop offering of a

1:57:44.240 --> 1:57:47.120
<v Speaker 3>bunch of records that really kind of don't have no

1:57:48.000 --> 1:57:50.840
<v Speaker 3>like no real blackness to him outside of Michael Jackson

1:57:50.880 --> 1:57:52.200
<v Speaker 3>applying whatever that looks like.

1:57:52.320 --> 1:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>After selling thirty million, then he grew up in Motown,

1:57:55.560 --> 1:57:57.960
<v Speaker 1>so he had that was in them, but he was.

1:57:58.000 --> 1:57:59.960
<v Speaker 3>But he already depended on it. But by that time,

1:58:00.000 --> 1:58:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I remember he's on He's he's fresh off Thriller. Thriller

1:58:03.160 --> 1:58:07.320
<v Speaker 3>is ten twenty thirty million. Yeah, like it's killing. So

1:58:07.440 --> 1:58:09.080
<v Speaker 3>he's not touching the third.

1:58:09.000 --> 1:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Like that no more. He not on the scene no more.

1:58:11.440 --> 1:58:15.640
<v Speaker 3>This nigga for me is the man. So it's like

1:58:16.680 --> 1:58:19.000
<v Speaker 3>I think he looked at Ray Parker, you know what

1:58:19.000 --> 1:58:21.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean? And there I'm not just saying he had.

1:58:22.040 --> 1:58:24.800
<v Speaker 3>He definitely ate his before Ghostbusters, but I don't think

1:58:25.440 --> 1:58:28.680
<v Speaker 3>when it came to black music, Ray Parker was as

1:58:28.920 --> 1:58:32.520
<v Speaker 3>as dense culturally as let's say, Cameo.

1:58:33.080 --> 1:58:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Cameo's connection to blackness.

1:58:35.000 --> 1:58:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Darryl you know better than me, because you from that

1:58:37.280 --> 1:58:41.040
<v Speaker 3>time period, it was deep like niggas love Cameo, like

1:58:41.160 --> 1:58:45.200
<v Speaker 3>my mom loved fucking Cameo, like it was black as fuck.

1:58:45.240 --> 1:58:48.160
<v Speaker 3>And I don't know why Michael Jackson didn't pull from

1:58:48.280 --> 1:58:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Cameo for some records on Bad I don't know why

1:58:52.240 --> 1:58:54.680
<v Speaker 3>he didn't. So but so back to the point with

1:58:54.800 --> 1:58:56.760
<v Speaker 3>gn X, I think the point with gen X is

1:58:57.760 --> 1:59:01.440
<v Speaker 3>dot realized, like the culmination of what's happening in the space,

1:59:01.800 --> 1:59:04.520
<v Speaker 3>how to make it his and then represent it at

1:59:04.560 --> 1:59:07.120
<v Speaker 3>the perfect time. So it equated to him having more

1:59:07.160 --> 1:59:10.760
<v Speaker 3>successful singles than any other album songs. That's probably It's

1:59:10.760 --> 1:59:13.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna probably be multiple songs on this album that go diamond.

1:59:14.160 --> 1:59:16.680
<v Speaker 3>The album is probably gonna end up somewhere near five

1:59:16.760 --> 1:59:20.680
<v Speaker 3>or six million sol. I mean it's a different type

1:59:20.680 --> 1:59:23.640
<v Speaker 3>of thing. I mean where he's where he culminated that

1:59:23.720 --> 1:59:25.920
<v Speaker 3>as an artist. So shout out to quin t to

1:59:26.080 --> 1:59:28.720
<v Speaker 3>Quinnity cooling the Gang. That's another one, yep.

1:59:29.000 --> 1:59:31.200
<v Speaker 4>So do you think Prince was able to pull from

1:59:31.280 --> 1:59:34.480
<v Speaker 4>somebody like, like you said, Cameo and stuff like that

1:59:34.640 --> 1:59:37.200
<v Speaker 4>better than Mike did since Mike didn't pull it because.

1:59:37.040 --> 1:59:42.040
<v Speaker 3>Michael Prince was Prince was Prince took from white people

1:59:42.160 --> 1:59:44.280
<v Speaker 3>like because you know he had the time Prince put.

1:59:44.160 --> 1:59:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Out the time.

1:59:47.200 --> 1:59:48.760
<v Speaker 6>Prince James.

1:59:49.720 --> 1:59:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Prince Prince.

1:59:51.640 --> 1:59:53.880
<v Speaker 3>But by that time it was over to like by

1:59:53.960 --> 1:59:57.280
<v Speaker 3>the late eighties, they wasn't quite they had already kind

1:59:57.320 --> 1:59:58.960
<v Speaker 3>of hit their peak because.

1:59:59.120 --> 2:00:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Uh cameo Me was a slow version of Rick James

2:00:04.400 --> 2:00:05.400
<v Speaker 1>when I was growing up.

2:00:07.320 --> 2:00:07.720
<v Speaker 6>Mm hmm.

2:00:09.160 --> 2:00:09.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mad at that.

2:00:10.680 --> 2:00:13.280
<v Speaker 6>I'm not mad that you would know better than us,

2:00:13.360 --> 2:00:14.680
<v Speaker 6>but yeah, I'm saying just.

2:00:14.720 --> 2:00:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Look at the stage performance, the clothing, the way that

2:00:17.440 --> 2:00:19.240
<v Speaker 1>they all did things that don't even looked like Rick,

2:00:19.400 --> 2:00:20.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I'm saying. But they was all off

2:00:21.000 --> 2:00:22.560
<v Speaker 1>that funk. You know what I'm saying. It was a

2:00:22.640 --> 2:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>slower version to me. That's what Bad didn't have.

2:00:25.240 --> 2:00:29.040
<v Speaker 3>He didn't have the funk funk. Yeah, Bad was just

2:00:29.160 --> 2:00:31.840
<v Speaker 3>hella poppy like Dirty Diner. These records are really great

2:00:31.880 --> 2:00:32.680
<v Speaker 3>pop record.

2:00:35.240 --> 2:00:41.360
<v Speaker 10>Anchor talking about the Lady in My Life thriller, the

2:00:41.440 --> 2:00:43.480
<v Speaker 10>way he make Billy Jem like those.

2:00:44.880 --> 2:00:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Thriller that were like black songs. It wasn't bad.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what I think with that ship. That ship

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<v Speaker 3>had a lot more pop records early on. But GM

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<v Speaker 3>next is like hella, hella, hella lost as this black.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think because of how a lot of people

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<v Speaker 5>felt about big steppers made him go g next, made

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<v Speaker 5>him come out?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

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<v Speaker 10>I just think he made him. This guy made him

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<v Speaker 10>do it. It was on It was on glasses. It

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<v Speaker 10>was on glasses right there.

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<v Speaker 1>Like sounds catch the black boy.

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<v Speaker 6>I hate the way that.

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<v Speaker 1>That what it did sound like to me too. I

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<v Speaker 1>told you big steppers are like a cast scratch of

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<v Speaker 1>the bulls.

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<v Speaker 5>I felt the same way a lot of people felt

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<v Speaker 5>about big steppers, a lot of people from you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that real and I think but that's also

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<v Speaker 3>why God is a better artist than I am. Like

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<v Speaker 3>he covers more ground, Like I wouldn't cover that fucking ground,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean. I keep that between me

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<v Speaker 3>and my own ship. But doc, will you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like he didn't. Do you think he regret

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<v Speaker 3>covering that ground on that?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, I don't think he really give a think

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<v Speaker 1>he was when you did covering that? Yeah. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 1>like a real artist, bro. That is like a much more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like a real street urban culturist that became an artist.

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<v Speaker 1>That is an artist. He always he was a little nigga,

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<v Speaker 1>but he always was an artist. So it's not about

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<v Speaker 1>the end results. It's about him just putting his music.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's how it is for him, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. It's not really about where everybody else like

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<v Speaker 3>it or not. That nigga really be making this ship

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<v Speaker 3>and figuring it out.

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<v Speaker 11>Do you think that was more like a like a

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<v Speaker 11>like a self defining album.

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<v Speaker 6>Which one remember it's like Marvin mixed up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it's like Marvin Gate here my Dear

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<v Speaker 1>or that or that or that Usher album?

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<v Speaker 7>What's that Usher album? It was a really good album.

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<v Speaker 7>It's divorced about seventeen Confessions seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>Not confessions, Oh no, no, no, no, the one later

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<v Speaker 3>it was it was it was when he got when

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<v Speaker 3>he broke up with the old lady.

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<v Speaker 1>Was deep as it was dope.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, I forgot the name.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, It's like Big Steppers is like here, my Dear,

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<v Speaker 3>Like you have to be into the artists to really

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<v Speaker 3>care about the records. Like that was something for him

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<v Speaker 3>and his fans. I'm not truly a fanatic Kendrick, like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a I'm a friend. I'm a fanatic gn X.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a fanatic of Kendrick as like, he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be in my favorite artist He's just my nigga, that's dope.

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<v Speaker 3>Was a nigga that I think is all time great,

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<v Speaker 3>but he not in my list of niggas that I'm

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<v Speaker 3>listening to, you know what I mean. Kendrick is all

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<v Speaker 3>time great, but that's not my ship.

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<v Speaker 7>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Gn X is the first DOT album that here I

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<v Speaker 3>stand shut out to BV exactly. That was another one

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<v Speaker 3>Life is Good by Nas. It's the ones where if

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<v Speaker 3>you're into the artist, you know, I mean, that's your

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<v Speaker 3>album that connects with them.

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<v Speaker 7>I feel like as if as if that that Big

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<v Speaker 7>Stepper was an album where where he gave a voice

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<v Speaker 7>to the voiceless, you know what I'm saying. So it

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<v Speaker 7>was like so the people that that cut and basically

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<v Speaker 7>speak with the city he was saying, like the father

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<v Speaker 7>Time song, the song with the you know what I'm

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<v Speaker 7>saying about his auntie. It was it was given a

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<v Speaker 7>voice right there, but that.

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<v Speaker 6>They didn't have.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not true. That was the biggest conversation in mainstream media.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I didn't like. It felt too pop.

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<v Speaker 7>So now you felt as if I'm going that way

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<v Speaker 7>right there, and made people like, it's not more light

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<v Speaker 7>on that ship right there, like it was a given

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<v Speaker 7>the light was.

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<v Speaker 3>Already shining on it. So he kind of brought his

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<v Speaker 3>positioning into it based off what he was going through.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was all these mainstream topics and things like

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<v Speaker 3>at that time, that was a big thing to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about people being you know, what do you call those?

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<v Speaker 1>What pronouns? That's fucked up?

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<v Speaker 6>It's like.

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<v Speaker 1>Pronouns was big at that time. So I felt like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like that album is his most pop album.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds crazy. Do you feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>album was most pop album? Yeah? Four fans like that album? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so you think they came from his previous album? Was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>we really want to hear him talk about Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>think Dot's core fans is like a very mainstream person.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that is relevant what's going on? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he know everything. That motherfucker be watching everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga. You said something about Nigga in the third grade.

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<v Speaker 1>He know what you said. So he knows like he

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<v Speaker 1>knows the mood of the people.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not the mood like he's a really autist share

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<v Speaker 3>that is he's a really great artist, bro, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>not just the mood of people with him, like he

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<v Speaker 3>finds himself where people are something I'm just really figuring

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<v Speaker 3>out right now. I just figured out how to do

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<v Speaker 3>it right this prime example, this motherfucker knew how to

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<v Speaker 3>do it pretty much since damn he figured out like

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<v Speaker 3>two things.

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<v Speaker 1>I just figured it out right now. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>recordd way.

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<v Speaker 3>Before this motherfucker, but he studied and pay attention way

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<v Speaker 3>more so, like he found how to align himself at

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<v Speaker 3>the time where it sat and present a perspective. I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't figure it out till Tupac must dieing. Really now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, okay, I see like I'm working on this idea.

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<v Speaker 3>Were working on this idea. You and Trap were working

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<v Speaker 3>on this idea, and it's like, oh yeah, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>take all this shit happening and put it into the

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<v Speaker 3>idea that never used to happen to me before. Like

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<v Speaker 3>it was always my personal journey as an artist, as

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<v Speaker 3>an artist to reflect what was happening. So I think God, like,

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<v Speaker 3>like specifically with you know, big steppers, it is like here,

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<v Speaker 3>my dear, it shout out to hymphisms. It is kind

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<v Speaker 3>of depressing to me when I listened to it, You

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, It's very rooted in him. But

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<v Speaker 3>also remember it's during the pandemic. Yes, when this is

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<v Speaker 3>a big conversation, people hurting themselves, like he knew how

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<v Speaker 3>to align it. I think most of Dots fans are

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<v Speaker 3>very like a mainstream type of audience versus.

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<v Speaker 1>Like gn X.

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<v Speaker 3>Even though it's successful, it's not as mainstream. The language

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<v Speaker 3>ain't his mainstream. The attitude and his mainstream, but the

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<v Speaker 3>rec are so contagious that they're digestible in a different way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I saying.

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<v Speaker 4>It seemed like every time he does it's like it

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<v Speaker 4>fits the public, with the public scoring three.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is the first time that it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>the hell No, I think this was the public need.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the public needed this to happen. But this

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<v Speaker 1>is the difference.

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<v Speaker 3>See, he was always framing for what they wanted. This

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<v Speaker 3>is the first time it wasn't about them, and I

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<v Speaker 3>could tell it was about where he was at.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was already prepared for this.

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<v Speaker 7>I was about to say that right there, about to

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<v Speaker 7>say a lot of times he means to he means

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<v Speaker 7>the fans and nothing. I'm saying the listeners where they're

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<v Speaker 7>at and then you'll come here, yeah yeah, come here,

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<v Speaker 7>yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like he dropped this album because he felt

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<v Speaker 1>like he needed to drop this album like he was

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<v Speaker 1>pumped up. He wasn't even pumped up, like he got

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<v Speaker 1>pumped up like a victory lap. It wasn't because that's

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<v Speaker 1>not that. That ain't his temperament. Like you're not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't talk about the battle, we just laugh at it.

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think he cares about the streets think about

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<v Speaker 5>his work? And I kind of felt like the streets

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<v Speaker 5>didn't love Big Steppers. It almost like he heard that,

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<v Speaker 5>like I need to put this ship out there.

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<v Speaker 6>I agree with your.

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<v Speaker 3>Coach necessarily ever been his thing. I don't think, not

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<v Speaker 3>one of them records that was his thing. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think he really gave a fuck what none of us

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<v Speaker 3>like the streets think. I mean when you start talking

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<v Speaker 3>about streets, no, now street urban culture, yes, but not

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<v Speaker 3>the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>This album is. But that's what I mean when I

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<v Speaker 1>say street, streets urban culture, but it's different, like this

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<v Speaker 1>album is really for the streets, street urban culture. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the streets.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Yeah, A lot a lot of this album

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<v Speaker 6>came up after that pop out.

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<v Speaker 1>This this is like from my home, just from my home,

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<v Speaker 1>this is where I came from it, but not just that.

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<v Speaker 3>This for every ghetto, Like this is a record where

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<v Speaker 3>he's not trying to tell the ghetto. He's he's like

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<v Speaker 3>this what our mom get down? Versus at first he

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<v Speaker 3>would be trying to be a great example you feel

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<v Speaker 3>me of what it should be. This is like, nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>this is why I'm back. I'm on y'all last.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever do you think in the beginning he was trying

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<v Speaker 4>to explain itself more than now to other people.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the first thing I told him when I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to him, I was like, bro like like

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, man, I had to grow up.

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<v Speaker 5>But this album almost came across like niggas like you were,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a little disappointed with this album. Was almost

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<v Speaker 5>like niggas like g niggas like that. They wasn't really

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<v Speaker 5>feeling that big step of ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me, but I really like this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he was worried about me the motherfucker

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<v Speaker 3>doing national tours. But but I don't think I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think my thoughts followed pears. You hear me, But big

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<v Speaker 3>comes always matter.

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<v Speaker 6>But check the credits. Coach e X the album, check

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<v Speaker 6>the credits telling this.

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<v Speaker 1>Part is like, this is him. I'm glad y'all got him.

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<v Speaker 3>The other ship is him trying to be a better

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<v Speaker 3>version of himself. You're getting him now. This is the

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<v Speaker 3>nigga that I know.

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<v Speaker 1>See all that other ship is him discovering shit about hisself,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be a better person, that role model. Hey hey, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>fuck that cut up. I'm telling you, I think he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped up. And he was like.

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<v Speaker 11>I think as an artist, yeah, get cracking nigga. As

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<v Speaker 11>an artist, there's always.

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<v Speaker 5>Like you thought, like, man, I gotta be more me.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe he was like, this is the record, I gotta

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<v Speaker 5>be more me.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is something I used to always say, Like

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like y'all needed to meet him, Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so glad Drake did that ship he got, Like the

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<v Speaker 3>world got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Meet him, not the version of him that he wants

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<v Speaker 1>you to meet. That's cool, and you got to meet

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<v Speaker 1>who he is. Fucking with him and see, this ship

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<v Speaker 1>can't be cut. This is uncut like when you make

2:11:00.440 --> 2:11:02.680
<v Speaker 1>it records, you could cut it down and digestible. This

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<v Speaker 1>hands off squabble. You mean and then so then the

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<v Speaker 1>attitude came.

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<v Speaker 3>From that into just him making records that fit who

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<v Speaker 3>he is at this time, like this is by far

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<v Speaker 3>to me, this is his most authentic album.

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<v Speaker 5>I would just about that, ask you that before you

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<v Speaker 5>feel like this and it's you know what the crazy

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<v Speaker 5>thing is? That's really crazy to have your most authentic

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<v Speaker 5>album come this late.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but the good Man City way more authentic than

2:11:31.160 --> 2:11:33.360
<v Speaker 3>Good king Man City, way more good kid.

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<v Speaker 1>Mass City was more thematic and and.

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<v Speaker 3>Like like I'm going to present the sophisticated taken to

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<v Speaker 3>street urban culture, lifestyle and counter like I'm gonna make

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<v Speaker 3>it artsy. This is like, yeah, nigg here we go

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<v Speaker 3>yesterday something, give you a bunch of give you a

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<v Speaker 3>bunch of music. It hold up yesterday. He got songs

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<v Speaker 3>that this was all his records. Gonna have a message.

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<v Speaker 6>That album huh on the g next.

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<v Speaker 1>From the as a main message, sucking.

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<v Speaker 6>With cool cool.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Record saying listen, bro, this is by far his greatest

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<v Speaker 3>opening of all, tell me what's more important.

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<v Speaker 1>The nigga started the song saying this how you started

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<v Speaker 1>the album? Yesterday? Somebody whacked out my mirror when I

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<v Speaker 1>heard that first line. I knew he was in hours

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<v Speaker 1>turned the radio ship. Okay, yeah, yesterday somebody whacked out

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<v Speaker 1>my mirror. Nigga.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, oh so, even though big Steppers had

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<v Speaker 5>me a little concerned when he said that, I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>are you about to be sad about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Or so? When he did continue, I was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Kenna that ship.

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<v Speaker 3>I need him to be strong, Like it's okay to

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<v Speaker 3>project masculine energy, not just in a digestible manner, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's okay to be the unpologetic for sure. And they

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<v Speaker 3>gonna love you your most when you were unapologetic, Nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>they gonna love you. Oh you thought they loved that

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<v Speaker 3>version in you that they thought you was cool and

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<v Speaker 3>a nice guy. And you, oh, they don't know you

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<v Speaker 3>a little confident animal. Show them because if everybody see that,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have your greatest shit. Now, people gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>looking at you crazy because they they ain't gonnaquite know.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nigga, show them, Nigga, be like you he really

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<v Speaker 1>that nigga? Like, Nigga, you really a nigga fool? Like

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<v Speaker 1>you get cracking, show them, show them, That's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>screaming at by show them stop playing. Fuck all that nigga,

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<v Speaker 1>get to it, make this shit happen. So this album

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<v Speaker 1>right here, he was the most comfortable with being himself.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what he said. He tried to grow up, mature,

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<v Speaker 1>He had the maturity, tried to grow up because that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, that's the best thing, bro, Like, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing, like him being unapologetically him. It's nothing wrong

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<v Speaker 3>with the lead with inspiration and ideas and being greater,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's okay also to just beat us.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 5>You as an artist when you heard that out gn X,

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<v Speaker 5>did you did you say, Okay, hold him now first listen.

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<v Speaker 1>I told Trump, I said this is the best album before.

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<v Speaker 1>But did you did it inspire you as artists?

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<v Speaker 7>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I inspired that as an artist, But it's hard

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<v Speaker 3>for somebody in hip hop that inspire me, even adopte

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<v Speaker 3>niggas like Kendrick or jay Z at this point that

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<v Speaker 3>none of them niggas can really inspire me at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>So where do you get inspiration from? Arry White? That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been listening to very white war ain't no, ain't

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<v Speaker 3>in there hip hop can inspire me no more.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel that this is past that.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I'm I'm I'm at the core black music like now,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm at the hardest shoal of it. Like I'm playing

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<v Speaker 3>all kinds of fly shit. I'm playing Nigga'm playing Stevie

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<v Speaker 3>Wonder Nigga like for real. And I'm like, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't make a rap song that's like this. That's like

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<v Speaker 3>I came up with idea for a song that was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>I was made to love you. It's nothing, nothing like that,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you feel like your next album you drop

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be soft food? I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if I'm gonna do an album. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even know if I question something. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>But I tell you one thing. The next song I'm

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<v Speaker 3>about to drop, I just got it mixed. That motherfucker

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<v Speaker 3>or you feel me and it ain't I don't can't

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<v Speaker 3>nobody tell me nothing about.

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<v Speaker 1>Hip hop no more? Like you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I love it too much.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm realizing most people don't love it enough to be

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<v Speaker 3>talking to me about it, And I have no idea.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't have no business talking to me about this.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't love this shit like me, don't talk to

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<v Speaker 3>me about it. If you it's like a nigga that

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<v Speaker 3>don't really love it. Like nigga, you can't talk to

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<v Speaker 3>me because you want You don't. You ain't finna go

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<v Speaker 3>through what I'm finna go through to do it. Nigga,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm making signs for videos, pickets, signs like I love it.

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<v Speaker 3>It ain't about no money, it ain't about none of that,

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<v Speaker 3>but this will love. You have to develop though, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't love it at first. I didn't know nothing

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<v Speaker 3>about it, but now that I do, like, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>keep looking. So all you can do is tell me

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<v Speaker 3>where to go. But really there's no more space for

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<v Speaker 3>hip hop to truly inspire me.

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<v Speaker 1>So so so what you're saying all this your best

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<v Speaker 1>music is to come. You think your music in front

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<v Speaker 1>of you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, because even the shit that you I've heard from

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<v Speaker 5>you that's coming out and all the other ship, this

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<v Speaker 5>shit is like by yo and yo shit is dope

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<v Speaker 5>to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Look all your ship, but this shit is on.

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<v Speaker 3>Some now because now it's like if you listening to

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<v Speaker 3>very white bro, if you listening to real like black

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<v Speaker 3>music at this court Marvin Gay.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm just off of like some shit for me.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like like it's the only greatness that could

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<v Speaker 1>fuck with it, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 6>Like it's.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm past rappers, not like better or worse than I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm past rappers being inspiration. Like I don't even see

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<v Speaker 3>them as something to emulate anymore. I'm emulating Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 3>as a rapper, like just like my predecessors, Just like

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<v Speaker 3>the original guys when they didn't have rap to look to,

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<v Speaker 3>they had to be you know what I mean, Like

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<v Speaker 3>they had a limited amount of rap, like I would

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<v Speaker 3>imagine Scarface, you know, could see a lot more Gil Scott,

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<v Speaker 3>Jill Scott hearing than run dmc.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 5>Earlier on in the conversation, somebody asked, who would this

2:17:17.720 --> 2:17:19.360
<v Speaker 5>guy be in hip hop? Like we were doing R

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<v Speaker 5>and B and they were like, who this gotta be

2:17:20.520 --> 2:17:22.880
<v Speaker 5>in hip hop? Forgot the name they were using. Do

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<v Speaker 5>you feel like at this point in time you you

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<v Speaker 5>the burier right of hip because it's.

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<v Speaker 3>The only thing that makes sense. Nothing else great enough,

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<v Speaker 3>even the niggas that's great, like dog in Them and

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<v Speaker 3>whole and face, the guys I love Kanye that's not.

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<v Speaker 10>Great enough, Like this is not no more where you

2:17:40.600 --> 2:17:43.680
<v Speaker 10>put Ken Kendrick. If he was, he's probably in them conversations.

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<v Speaker 10>For sure, he's in the conversations.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would he be that that name? Oh, he'd be

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<v Speaker 1>the the al Green with Who would he be right now?

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<v Speaker 1>If I had to pick an act.

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<v Speaker 3>In comedy, he'd be daz Ja pel mhmm right to me,

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<v Speaker 3>like he just got it pegged down and in R and.

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<v Speaker 1>B music or music outside of hip hop. Probably Marvin Gay,

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<v Speaker 1>you think so? Yeah, Yeah, it's funny because that's who

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<v Speaker 1>I envisioned him.

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<v Speaker 3>When I hear him, it is probably like Marvin Gay,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know what I mean, Like I think early

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<v Speaker 3>Marvin Gay sacrifice a lot of stuff to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>people understood what he was doing. But I think when

2:18:35.720 --> 2:18:39.040
<v Speaker 3>he caught his stride, it was like and he was

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<v Speaker 3>always successful. You know, he was making hit records. He

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<v Speaker 3>hadn't hit records.

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<v Speaker 1>He was popping.

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<v Speaker 3>But he reminds me of Marvin Gay, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. Like he's like he like he found this

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<v Speaker 3>level of soul at a time when it was really needed.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't manufactured like like this like this is legit

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<v Speaker 3>like this ain't even like other like people saying he

2:19:00.920 --> 2:19:03.920
<v Speaker 3>just went West Coast, Like even the musicianship of adding

2:19:04.000 --> 2:19:06.800
<v Speaker 3>basis like a lot of music is just you know,

2:19:07.280 --> 2:19:09.520
<v Speaker 3>not muster muster, get busy, but a lot of other

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<v Speaker 3>West Coast music it's kind of eight A waights and melodies.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't really use the base or that frequency anymore.

2:19:15.840 --> 2:19:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Like and for him to kind of go put that

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<v Speaker 1>frequency in all that music, like it's like Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 1>to me, you know what I mean, Like like he

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<v Speaker 1>like he been successful the whole time, Like Marvin Gay

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<v Speaker 1>was successful, we had records. But man, towards the end

2:19:28.520 --> 2:19:30.840
<v Speaker 1>of his career, you really could see this China wind

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<v Speaker 1>of unapologetic nigga that was like hell of dope. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think with Dot, you know, even if this is

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<v Speaker 1>the last album, I think we got like the most.

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<v Speaker 3>Unapologetic nigga in the world, and we got a nigga

2:19:41.360 --> 2:19:42.760
<v Speaker 3>when the world needed a nigga too.

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<v Speaker 1>But why are you okay last album? You think it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be his last album? I don't know, shit, It depends.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he needs to be motivated to create.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think he like this ain't the business like

2:19:53.520 --> 2:19:55.800
<v Speaker 3>he makes business out of music, but that ain't his business.

2:19:55.879 --> 2:19:57.720
<v Speaker 3>Like I think his business is raising his kids and

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<v Speaker 3>living his life. He made enough money to be fund

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying. He's straight, so it'll be

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<v Speaker 3>hard for him to motivate himself for money, you know

2:20:05.720 --> 2:20:07.640
<v Speaker 3>what I mean, or just to put out another album,

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<v Speaker 3>like he would have to have like a story that

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<v Speaker 3>he wants to tell. And you know, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't know what motivated him at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you get motivated after this? Usually people get

2:20:19.400 --> 2:20:21.360
<v Speaker 3>motivated after this because of money, But like now, you

2:20:21.720 --> 2:20:22.879
<v Speaker 3>you already made money.

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<v Speaker 1>You already had a national tour for me this.

2:20:25.959 --> 2:20:29.480
<v Speaker 3>You have multiple national arena tours, you have multiple number

2:20:29.520 --> 2:20:33.400
<v Speaker 3>ones before this, and now you finally just hit the pinnacle, Like, right,

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<v Speaker 3>you just super Bowl five games for one song, give

2:20:36.440 --> 2:20:39.440
<v Speaker 3>me arena tour? Like what motivates you after this to

2:20:39.560 --> 2:20:42.960
<v Speaker 3>kind of really make music? Like you you're finna spend

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time away from your family, right, You're

2:20:44.840 --> 2:20:46.480
<v Speaker 3>finna be on this role. He already spent a lot

2:20:46.480 --> 2:20:49.200
<v Speaker 3>of time away from his family now, so it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they don't want to raise his kids and

2:20:50.879 --> 2:20:52.360
<v Speaker 3>all of that that shit mattered to him.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I do want to say this about uh our

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<v Speaker 5>Mount rush Moore, the no feelings around Mount Rushmore. I think,

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<v Speaker 5>I honestly think it might be the best route Mount

2:21:07.240 --> 2:21:08.760
<v Speaker 5>worsh Moore that could be put put together.

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<v Speaker 1>They think it's gonna be the best.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm interested to see other people my mind worsh More,

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<v Speaker 5>but I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna be better than ours. I think that what you

2:21:16.160 --> 2:21:17.560
<v Speaker 1>say we got the best one, I think we got

2:21:17.600 --> 2:21:18.039
<v Speaker 1>the best one.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really I want to see others, but I think

2:21:20.280 --> 2:21:22.039
<v Speaker 5>that I think those are the two best Mount rush

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<v Speaker 5>More for the male female for sure, male female male.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel yeah, I feel like it's like both of

2:21:30.480 --> 2:21:33.520
<v Speaker 5>the other best. Those are the best Mounts Rushmore.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to the diamond Back Photography to Homy, what's up, Brodie,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for the two dollars. What's your rating for

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<v Speaker 3>Maya vocally? I have already heard enough of mine singing.

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<v Speaker 3>Immediately the six come to mind, but she's probably better.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think you're six Maya vocally? Yeah, I

2:21:50.000 --> 2:21:52.240
<v Speaker 1>haven't heard enough of her singing, but because of y'all,

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<v Speaker 1>like I heard, it makes me think of a six seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, six seven is fair, theyself love, thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>the two dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Play take him on the deep dive of Brandy. I

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<v Speaker 1>got you all a copella too. I don't want no

2:22:07.840 --> 2:22:08.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking music.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm gonna shave you. Yeah, I'm gonna shave the ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>Bro.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you Diamond Back Photograpy for that five dollars. The

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<v Speaker 3>instrumental that John Mure is a masterpiece. Sound Way made

2:22:16.800 --> 2:22:19.880
<v Speaker 3>that beat with Cocoa Leve's I'm Crying They'll Find example

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<v Speaker 3>was beautifully crafty.

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<v Speaker 1>Nigga.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember sound Wave was whack, so I hit South

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<v Speaker 3>Wave on the DM. I was like, man, I'm so

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<v Speaker 3>proud of you, bro. He got so dope. Man, Him

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<v Speaker 3>and Ali, them niggas got hello dope. That's young and devoted.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been devoted, so all the best things should happen

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<v Speaker 3>to them. Man, they hello dope. Shout out to Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for that five dollars. Shout out to g

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<v Speaker 3>and the lunch table east side that port yep Wes.

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<v Speaker 3>Shout out to Mow they self love for the two dollars. No,

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<v Speaker 3>mister Morale slander.

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<v Speaker 1>I just slander it. I just said it sounded like

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<v Speaker 1>cast scratching paper that.

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<v Speaker 6>What's that?

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<v Speaker 1>What's that he's saying that he don't get. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's that bad.

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<v Speaker 5>He thinks if he's telling the truth to himself, if

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<v Speaker 5>it's a glasses fact, it means.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it really slander? Super stretching. It wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 1>pain when y'all listen to the album, Like we argue

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<v Speaker 1>with the lady on that solid Yeah, not my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>the cards trap off that you dirty ass bitch, you

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<v Speaker 1>punk ass, that's your I.

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<v Speaker 6>Said, only had to hear it one time and recognize

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<v Speaker 6>how great it was.

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<v Speaker 5>Trap You listened to it one time because there was

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<v Speaker 5>nothing else play backable, like you didn't want to listen.

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<v Speaker 1>That ship hurt that ship like I listen to it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the thing about Doc, Like I listened to all

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<v Speaker 3>the albums at least a couple of times straight through,

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<v Speaker 3>right because he that type of artist. Damn was my

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<v Speaker 3>Damn was my Probably the it was the second or

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<v Speaker 3>third best one section eighty was up there see your

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<v Speaker 3>next by far as just the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I knew I wasn't gonna like big steppers when

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<v Speaker 1>see and that's weird to me. Shout out to Moses

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<v Speaker 1>he said, we cried together. It's fire. Just fire wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be the thing I would describe to speak on that song.

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<v Speaker 1>I know like fire, Bro, I didnt know. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>gonna like the big steppers when too many young kids

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<v Speaker 1>like that, like I'm more depressed, motherfucker. Yes, too many

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<v Speaker 1>Step and six on me.

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<v Speaker 6>You heard father niggas.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta appreciate his range as an artist. I do

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate as an artistry as an artist. I'm a huge

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<v Speaker 3>Kanye West fan.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me ask you six six and Trap yeap, what's

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<v Speaker 5>better big Steppers or g next to y'all.

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<v Speaker 11>They're completely different albums.

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<v Speaker 1>For different albums, but one is better than others to y'all.

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<v Speaker 12>It's literally just completely It's like comparing the Power Forward

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<v Speaker 12>to a point Guard shout.

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<v Speaker 1>Out to and I'm listening to that. Motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, gee, you listen to this nigga argue with this

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<v Speaker 3>lady on this song in the middle of this. You

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<v Speaker 3>a sick nigga, bro.

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<v Speaker 7>You just like you.

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<v Speaker 12>I'll admit the argument part is a little much, but

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<v Speaker 12>that that I can't pick that one moment and judged

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<v Speaker 12>the whole album for that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the whole album is sad.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, but I mean some people are said, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's why I said.

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<v Speaker 3>It sound like the pain of cat scratching papers like

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<v Speaker 3>shout Out to thank You for Do Dollars, my favorite

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<v Speaker 3>album still in rotation all day.

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<v Speaker 6>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>I played that ship two or three times. That was it, Jack,

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I hate to say it being from Watts,

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<v Speaker 3>but I like J Cole over K DO. That's not crazy,

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<v Speaker 3>Actually not crazy. That's not crazy.

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<v Speaker 6>Go ahead and they I think that.

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<v Speaker 1>Out there. I see y'all Friday, man.

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<v Speaker 3>But looking out for tuning into the Note Sellers podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode was recorded right here on the West coast

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<v Speaker 3>of the USA. It produced about the Black Effect podcast

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