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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death presents External Exams with Nicole and Jimmy.

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Speaker 2: Hi everyone, welcome to this week's external Exam. We have

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Speaker 2: been talking about a couple cases in the news over

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Speaker 2: the past couple of weeks about different things that have

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Speaker 2: been happening in funeral homes. So I thought it would

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Speaker 2: be perfect to talk to someone that is in the

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Speaker 2: funeral industry. So welcome Carrie Northey.

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Speaker 1: Hi you Hello.

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Speaker 2: Carrie is a licensed funeral director and Inbalmber and she

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Speaker 2: is best known for her YouTube channel which is called

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Speaker 2: Carrie the Mortician, So everybody probably knows her from that,

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Speaker 2: and so I guess my first question is for you,

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Speaker 2: is that what exactly is a mortician? Because people ask

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Speaker 2: me all the time or say that I'm a mortician,

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Speaker 2: and I think a lot of people think just because

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Speaker 2: you work with dead people, you're a mortician. So what

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Speaker 2: exactly is a mortician?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well, and it's a term that means different things to

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Speaker 1: different people. I think over time it has transformed what

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Speaker 1: it was. Kind of like a mortuary and funeral home

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Speaker 1: are essentially the same, a little different. Typically, a mortician

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Speaker 1: is someone who is caring for the dead at the

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Speaker 1: funeral home. So someone just meeting families wouldn't traditionally be

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Speaker 1: called a mortician, but some people do call themselves that.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a little more sensationalistic of a word.

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Speaker 1: I chose it for my you know, carry the mortician

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Speaker 1: because it was shorter than carry the mortician, slash and balmer,

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Speaker 1: so to speak. In Michigan, it's one license. Some states

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Speaker 1: it's not.

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Speaker 2: Some states you can be just a funeral director or

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Speaker 2: just an embalmer, or can choose.

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Speaker 1: To be both. So it really is more for a

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Speaker 1: person caring for the dead. But some people just like

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Speaker 1: having the title of mortician even though they're not caring

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Speaker 1: for the dead specifically. So and people always think I

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Speaker 1: cut open bodies and do the autopsies. So it's just

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Speaker 1: this conception of, you know, the general public, who does

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Speaker 1: what when it comes to the deceased. I think with

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Speaker 1: some of that too, So I think that's funny you

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Speaker 1: get those questions as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was looking at a couple of your videos

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, we definitely get a lot of the

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Speaker 2: same questions. It's like, really, it's kind of cool though.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So you're about the same age as me,

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Speaker 2: and when I was figuring out how to do pathology.

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Speaker 2: There was no such thing as the Internet, and like

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Speaker 2: I kind of had like a really cool path of

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Speaker 2: how I figured it out on my own kind of thing.

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Speaker 2: So how did you become aware of the funeral industry?

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Speaker 1: When I was sixteen, I needed a job and my

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Speaker 1: mom worked at a funeral home at the time as

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Speaker 1: an aftercare coordinator. So she'd work with the families through

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Speaker 1: kind of the funeral phase and then after she would

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Speaker 1: help guide them to support groups. She would help them

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Speaker 1: clean out closets if they needed help in terms of

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Speaker 1: like getting rid of people's clothing or whatever they needed

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Speaker 1: support doing. She was that person, and so she said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: do you want to work at the funeral home? Sure

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Speaker 1: sounds great. That was the time of pagers and I

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Speaker 1: was in a small town. So for the small town

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Speaker 1: babe sit the funeral home essentially and answer the phone.

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Speaker 1: And so they had somebody at the funeral home till

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Speaker 1: nine o'clock every night from nine to nine Saturday, nine

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Speaker 1: And so that's what I did.

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Speaker 2: I vacuumed a lot, set up chairs, typed on a typewriter,

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Speaker 2: documents had to be hand typed, and greeted people at visitations,

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Speaker 2: set up flowers, and general curiosity I think grew during

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Speaker 1: I never saw it. I never was uncomfortable being there,

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Speaker 1: I was like, what am I going to do with this?

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Speaker 1: way too many numbers, all statistics. Didn't know that thought.

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Speaker 2: I was going to be you know, like the movie

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Speaker 2: Outbreak where I'm wearing it. Yes, like the Hot Zone book.

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Speaker 1: which would have been amazing. So my mom goes, what

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Speaker 2: That, yeah, that was going to be one of my

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Speaker 2: questions for you, because a lot of times people say

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Speaker 2: you were a kid, And I'm like, no, I don't

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Speaker 2: do when they get older? I'm really curious, So, did

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Speaker 2: you have any characteristics when you were a kid that

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't think. Just general interest in human and

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Speaker 1: personality and psychology of interactions of people. I think that's

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Speaker 1: always interested me. I've always been interested by kind of

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Speaker 1: serial killer mind, by why people choose certain things, by

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Speaker 1: different segments of the population. When you're funeral director, you

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Speaker 1: work with everybody at some point, because everybody dies, and

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Speaker 1: any recollection. It was my grandpa and I remember walking

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Speaker 1: like let's walk up there, And that was just kind

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Speaker 1: My mom's like, well, do you want these newspaper clippings

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Speaker 1: that was our history. It wasn't like, oh, do you

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Speaker 1: funeral director at all. It just was kind of there.

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Speaker 1: But I am very much my mom. Her name's Winnie,

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Speaker 1: And that was really her specialty. And so I'd like

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Speaker 1: to think it's kind of in my DNA, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I think it's just, yeah, that's like a really cool

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Speaker 2: story about your grandpap though. Yeah. I also like how

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Speaker 2: a very quiet, said, lonely job, because obviously a dead

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we deal with the deceased, but more

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Speaker 1: If we do kind of I say front and back

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Speaker 1: Some people do compartmentalize and they do one or the other.

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Speaker 2: Balmber, and then yeah, that's your whole day, but that's

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Speaker 2: not my whole day. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't think

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Speaker 2: a lot for doing autopsies and stuff, just to get

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Speaker 1: And it's never always just crying. Like I had an

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Speaker 1: It's the warm fuzzies.

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Speaker 1: You get in the business with the warm and fuzzies

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Speaker 1: or that was great, or you know, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: It just gives you the warm fuzzies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool because I think people are at their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool that you're saying that it's seventy percent female.

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Speaker 2: just like, it's really interesting. So what once you got

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Speaker 1: another degree. You can work at the funeral home without

434
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Speaker 1: being licensed to do a lot of the areas, not

435
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: the body work, but a lot of the other areas

436
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 1: you can do. So it just depends what the person's

437
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 1: role is. But there could be a balance work life

438
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: balance is about your employer, not about the career. I

439
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 1: firmly believe, because you can work at a funeral home

440
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: have a horrendous schedule that allows you no work life balance.

441
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: That's not a great place. It's not the business. It's

442
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: the place where you can work for a funeral home

443
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: that doesn't have you go out at night, that doesn't

444
00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: have you work calling hours in the evening. You can

445
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 1: have a great work life balance and it works good.

446
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: But it's about the location you're working for.

447
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good advice because sometimes if people are in

448
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: certain relationships and they have a partner that has like

449
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: a different kind of work schedule, then that might work

450
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: for them. But if you're like a single mom, that

451
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 2: wouldn't work for you. So it is important to know

452
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: that you can switch different places and just a different

453
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: schedule might work for you. So you're working as a

454
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: funeral director for all of these years and then you

455
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:30,960
Speaker 2: decided to start this YouTube channel and like social media,

456
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: what made you decide to start that?

457
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: So it was just very random with no intention of

458
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: it being what it is. I was. I had left

459
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 1: one funeral home and was kind of deciding what was

460
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: I going to do next? Because it's a lot of

461
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: small towns around here in funeral homes. I was like,

462
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, who I would actually want to work for.

463
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 1: Do I go back to being freelance because I had

464
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: done that when I had no kids, I wasn't married.

465
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 1: Where I would go move into the funeral home while

466
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 1: the small town funeral director and their family went on vacation.

467
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 1: They needed somebody to run the place. So I would

468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 1: go just move into the funeral home into the residence

469
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 1: for a weekend or a week and cover and then

470
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 1: come home. And I was like, do I do that again?

471
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: I've got kids now, it doesn't really like what do

472
00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: I do? And my husband at the time said why.

473
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: He was doing some work with some YouTube people, and

474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: he said, why don't you record some videos on Facebook?

475
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 1: Ask our friends and family what they want to know

476
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: about your job as a funeral director. See what questions

477
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: you get. And I was like, all right. So I

478
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: got about fifteen questions and he's like, why don't you

479
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: just do a Facebook live for each of them? He goes,

480
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 1: see what happens. So I did my Facebook lives. Was terrified,

481
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: like the first time you go live and you know

482
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 1: that anybody could be just watching, and you see that

483
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: little eyeball up in the corner going the number going

484
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 1: up and down, which is not real time, and it's

485
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: terrifying to see that number go up, and then when

486
00:25:58,080 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: it goes down, you're like, why did they leave?

487
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: Like what am I saying? That's so horrible emotional, it's you.

488
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 2: It is hard when you're starting it. But so I

489
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: did these fifteen live videos, had them on my Facebook,

490
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 2: and then I had some requests that people were like, hey,

491
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: I want to show this video to my mom.

492
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: I think she needs this information. And I was like,

493
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: all right, I don't want to just on or make

494
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: my Facebook public. And that's when my husband said, hey,

495
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: why don't you put these on YouTube? Then people can

496
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: just watch them. And I was like, well, that's weird.

497
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: So then I figure out the whole thing and I

498
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: post them all at once, and all of a sudden,

499
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: I had like ten subscribers, and I was like what

500
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,919
Speaker 1: And then a hundred. Who are these hundred people? And

501
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: where did they find me? And oh my gosh, they're

502
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: posting comments and they're asking questions. So then I would

503
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: respond to their question with a video, and so I figured, well,

504
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: after a couple months, everything will be answered. There's only

505
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: so much I have lists. I mean, I'm in my

506
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: seventh here nine hundred videos. I have lists upon lists

507
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: of videos that people keep requesting. And what's interesting. I mean,

508
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: you can do it in take. Let's say what is

509
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: in bollming and you can do one video about that.

510
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: Then you can do a short video, a long video.

511
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: You can break down every step of it, every instrument

512
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: we use during it, every chemical we use. So it's

513
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 1: like every little topic I thought would be just one video,

514
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 1: I can break it into fifty more videos and people

515
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: will watch, you know, what they like, if they like

516
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: the short, if they like the long, if they like

517
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 1: the visual, and it just keeps snowballing. And then I

518
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: started that's crazy. Last month, no November, I thought, you know,

519
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to start doing shorts, short videos. I'm gonna

520
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: do one minute videos every day of the month of November.

521
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 1: I started doing that and then Instagram kind of like shoop.

522
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 1: The numbers just went up, and I was like, what

523
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: is going on? And that's the only thing I did different,

524
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: And I thought, what is going on? So it's social

525
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: media is such a wacky world of algorithms that change constantly.

526
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: There's a lot of evil people, there's a lot of

527
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: bad comments, there's a lot of things that come at

528
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: to you and it doesn't get emotional some days. I'm

529
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: sure you see it too, where people just sling, and

530
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: that in the beginning was one of the hardest things

531
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 1: to grasp that it wasn't even about what I was posting.

532
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,439
Speaker 1: It was just people attacking me as a person in

533
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: front of them with no validity. That was hard. And

534
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: people in the industry talking about me when they don't

535
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: know me, that's hard. But trying to get over some

536
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: of those hills and focus on consumers that are sending

537
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: me amazing letters, students that are telling me they're in

538
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: more choice school because they've watched my videos and wanted

539
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: to be a funeral director. You know, these reasons that

540
00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: people have gravitated the positive into their own life from

541
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: watching my videos, which is mind blowing. But it keeps

542
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: you doing what you're doing, and you know, people find

543
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: entertainment and knowledge, and I become a better funeral director

544
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: from everything I research and the people I meet. So

545
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: I love it. It's just it's grown in such a

546
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: good organic way. I've always said I never got sensational.

547
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: I never went after clickbait. I never went I don't

548
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: show bodies ever. That you know I'm caring for. I

549
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: don't even show cremated remains that I have cared for

550
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: because I just wanted that hard fast line and not

551
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: to go even into that realm and disrespect somebody in

552
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,719
Speaker 1: that way. So I've tried to stay on the up

553
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,719
Speaker 1: and up and be pretty good along the way with

554
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: what I've done, which is, you know, there's a lot

555
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: of people that don't and gives everybodyl to bad name.

556
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: But what do you do?

557
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: I guess just keep being positive and throwing positive is

558
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: what I try to do. Yeah, it's it's hard because,

559
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 2: like you said, it's trust me. I deal with it

560
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 2: all the time. It's trolls and the people saying this

561
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 2: and people saying that. And my husband would always give

562
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: me good advice, like number one was just don't like,

563
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: don't respond to these people because people would leave comments

564
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: and I'd.

565
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Be like what fucker?

566
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: Like, I was like, you know, you yell at them,

567
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: and then he's like you're fighting with a stranger that

568
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: like just stop. He's like, if you if they piss

569
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: you off that bed, just quietly go and block them.

570
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: That's it.

571
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: And I started doing that a couple of years ago

572
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: and I was like, it's all it's awesome, cause it's

573
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: just like you can how about you just go away

574
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: right now, I'm not going to give you what you

575
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 2: want kind of thing. And he also told me that

576
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: I was focusing too much on the negative. He's like,

577
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: you have a hundred people day telling you that they

578
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: stop smoking because of you, and they're doing this job

579
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 2: and they're going to college, and you're worried about one

580
00:30:55,600 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: person that's like saying something negative about you. Just avoid

581
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: that noise kind of But when you're in the moment,

582
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to just like, you know that that's

583
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: what you should do, but it's hard when when anybody

584
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: says something negative to you, right like.

585
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: Like I want every way to be pleased. I want

586
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: everybody happy, and so if one little person is not,

587
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: it just drives me crazy. So then I'm going to

588
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: focus my energy trying to make them. But I learned

589
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. We drove from where we live in

590
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: Michigan to Chicago for a wedding and or an event.

591
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: I can't remember why we were there, and I just

592
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: remember the whole time I went back and forth with

593
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: one person I was I don't even think I was

594
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: at a thousand subscribers at that point, and I realized,

595
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,160
Speaker 1: this one person is sitting at their house, goading me,

596
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: just trying to have someone to interact with. And I

597
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: realized that there are just people who are sad, who

598
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: use the Internet as an outlet to connect with people,

599
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: and the only way they can get responses by throwing

600
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: negative so someone will come back at them, and so

601
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: they can continue interacting with someone, but they choose to

602
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: do it in a negative way. So I did. I

603
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: had responded to all my comments for as long as

604
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: I could, and this last year just got too much

605
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: to respond to every single comment. But I would always,

606
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: even to the evil ones, respond with thank you, thanks

607
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: for your opinion, have the day you deserve, thank you,

608
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: just something because I was of course, I always, you know,

609
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: wanted to be steadfast about every comment, but I felt

610
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: it unless they got really aggressive or you know, stockery

611
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, I've had to call the FBI

612
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: a couple times for some things. I've had to call

613
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: local please for some things, you know, just people requesting

614
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: photos of specific things or telling me they were going

615
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: to do things, tell me they want to are going

616
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: to be killing themselves just differently, you know, stalking me

617
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: and very insane ways, just different stuff, and it's like

618
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: it kind of comes with the territory in a way,

619
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: but yet nobody preps you for any of that part

620
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: of being on social media in any kind of a presence.

621
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of scary, but you and you navigated

622
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: the best you can. But it does get a little

623
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: worrisome sometimes.

624
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that should actually be like a class that

625
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: they give it, because it's Yes, the thing is is

626
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: that everyone I started a social media I don't even

627
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: know why. My husband said it was the same thing.

628
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: He was like, why don't you just post your stuff

629
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: on Instagram? I never thought that, like today I would

630
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: be sitting here with all these followers. I didn't intentionally

631
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: like go out to do that. Yeah, but there needs

632
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: to be everyone should be trained in social media as

633
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: far as like how much information you're putting out there,

634
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: what pictures you're posting. Like, And my husband's a firefighter,

635
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: but he also was going to school for like homeland

636
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 2: security stuff and terrorism stuff, and he just knows like

637
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: all this different shady stuff that people do to try

638
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: to get your information, to find out where you live,

639
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: and all this stuff. And it's funny that you mentioned

640
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,040
Speaker 2: the FBI because we had to call the FBI before too.

641
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 2: So it's like that that just must be a thing

642
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: that happens when you have a lot of followers, because

643
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: there's always going to be some crazy person that pushes

644
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 2: it over the limit.

645
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Well that's my sister in law of works for the FBI.

646
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: And I called her one day and I said, Hey,

647
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: just the thought, what if there was something within the

648
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: FBI you put together some kind of just a safety training.

649
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Speaker 2: Hey, here it is, you can watch it. Hey, here

650
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Speaker 2: it is.

651
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Speaker 1: Here's some tips for people that are in social media

652
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: having difficulties, just to help protect themselves. I'm like, there's

653
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: got to be something that you could do as some

654
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: authority company you know that the FBI is, and that

655
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: they would put something together. She's like, I'll throw it

656
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: at some people and see what they say. Of course

657
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: nothing came of it, but I'm like, there's just got

658
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: to be something. I think there's with how are It's

659
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: weird because in my more Choy school class we just

660
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: had we finished about two hours ago, we discussed this today.

661
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: The people going after you know, elderly for money, the ai,

662
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, creating your voice to trick your somebody's parents

663
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: thinking that their kid is calling them, sending them money,

664
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 1: trying to get like the new scam with funeral homes

665
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: is calling looking at obituaries, very quickly calling the widow

666
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: or widower of the deceased and saying, this is Smith's

667
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: funeral home. We're calling to take your payment over the

668
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: phone because you haven't made it yet, you know, throwing

669
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: out that fishing line and getting credit card numbers from

670
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: several people by doing that, and it's just like it's like, what,

671
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: there's no limit to what people do in that area,

672
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: and it's just terrifying with that.

673
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you think, like I think about these people

674
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,240
Speaker 2: like you were saying that lady that you were fighting

675
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: with all day. You're like, if these people put this

676
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: much energy into their own life and their own career,

677
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: they'd be really successful because they have so much passion

678
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: for being a troll or for being a criminal you

679
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: could put just you just need to like regear that

680
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: energy into something positive.

681
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: That's I don't understand people that go down that path

682
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: and are just like okay on dead set that I'm

683
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: going to just keep doing, you know, but whole things,

684
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna just be okay with it. And it's

685
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: like you could, you could take a turn whatever. I

686
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: listen to more but podcast and they'll be like they

687
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: were on a good pass. And then if you're a

688
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: right or Verer laughed and it's like what they didn't

689
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: need to and what they did, you know kind of thing,

690
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: and I always laugh because I'm like, oh my god,

691
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: that's so true, so true.

692
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: So I saw that you had a video, so overall

693
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: it seems like you think that you have a pretty

694
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: good experience being like in the public like this and stuff.

695
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 2: I saw you had a YouTube that you were censored

696
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: for some COVID conversation you were trying to have is

697
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: and that video looked like it was like a year

698
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: old already. So have you had any more issues with that?

699
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 1: No, we just discussed it the one time and our

700
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: audio from it right and Brian from Undertaking the podcast,

701
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: who have a podcast, rolled out the audio on their

702
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: podcast because there was no censorship there, and what was

703
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: wild is what we were discussing. They put it down

704
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: because they said we were giving medical advice, which we

705
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: one hundred percent were not. We were just commenting on

706
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: some things that a lot of funeral doctors had been

707
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: commenting on and we're just giving another perspective, and so

708
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: they shut it down. And what was frustrating was that

709
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: the very next day somebody else posted a video about

710
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the same thing, talking on it in a different light,

711
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: but because they were had doctor in front of their name,

712
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: it was allowed. And so it's frustrating that we are

713
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: talking about something from a few rejector professional vantage point

714
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: and it's not allowed, but a doctor talking about what

715
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 1: is happening with bodies that we are seeing in a

716
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 1: funeral home is allowed when it just didn't make sense,

717
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 1: And especially like with COVID stuff. You know, we were

718
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: told so many times during COVID, you don't have to

719
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: worry about COVID. Well, COVID was found active on bodies

720
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: up to like ninety days had been tested. Like the

721
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: bodies were still contagious when we were getting them during COVID,

722
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: but we were being told by nurses doctors, oh, it's

723
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: no big deal, and we're like, how is it a

724
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: big deal for you? But not for the funeral professionals,

725
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: Like these bodies are still contagious, we can still catch it,

726
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 1: Like what are we not getting but so yeah we did.

727
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: We got censored. I think my band gets lifted the

728
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: end of January because I took a little I watched

729
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: some videos or took the class YouTube gave and yay,

730
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 1: I get to get my band released on me. Oh

731
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 1: it just it.

732
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: Really pisses me off to hear this, actually, because I

733
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 2: and that doctor that made the video about the same

734
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 2: thing you were talking about. Probably I would say, maybe

735
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 2: it hasn't even seen one dead body or clot actually

736
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: in front of their face. But the fact that they

737
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: have doctor, I can't stand that because I've always been

738
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: like a tech or an assistant and never the doctor.

739
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I've seen more shit than you've seen,

740
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: and don't don't act like just because you're an MD,

741
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 2: that you're the be all end all of knowledge. And unfortunately,

742
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 2: like I barely talked. I talked about COVID in the

743
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 2: very beginning before there was even lockdowns, just oh, I

744
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: heard there's this virus going on kind of thing, and

745
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 2: I've stayed away from it because I don't I don't

746
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: want to lose my account, and I'm scared to death

747
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: to say anything, to be honest with you, because I

748
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to get my stuff blocked

749
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,720
Speaker 2: any more than it already does for being too graphic

750
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: or whatever. But I don't like that that people have

751
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 2: to stay away from talking about it, because clearly it

752
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: was like life was normal and then this huge medical

753
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 2: thing happened. But it it goes across all spans, from

754
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: hospitals to autopsies to funeral and things have changed what

755
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 2: you see, and maybe they haven't or they have, I

756
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: don't know, but like, I don't know why you can't

757
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: just say it out loud, Like you can't just say, oh,

758
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: things look a little different now than they did before.

759
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: Well, it's like these are our experiences, we've seen them.

760
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: We were talking about things that we are physically in

761
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: the presence of or our scene. We're not, you know,

762
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: completely giving a hypothesis about all of it, but we're

763
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: just adding information. And to me, like, there are some

764
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: facts that are stated, you know, things that are on

765
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: US certificates that have happened, fact, deceased, we've cared for, fact,

766
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, different quesses of death. Fact. It's not that

767
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: we're saying, oh so this is the big end thing,

768
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: but we're just talking and so yeah, I've I don't

769
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,479
Speaker 1: ever use the V word or the C word, right,

770
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be chastised for saying something that

771
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 1: I'm not even trying to say. I'm just making a

772
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: statement or just having a conversation about it. And when

773
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: you have what did we have five embalmbers in that

774
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: conversation that one of them does one of the highest

775
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 1: volumes of trade calls I know anybody to do. They're

776
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: from all different places in the country, all different everything,

777
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 1: and we were just saying, yeah, none of us have

778
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: seen or experienced what we are hairing all these documentaries

779
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. But then because we say it, we were

780
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: chastised by you know, a few other people, and it

781
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: became this whole inner business ugly ugly talk and it's

782
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 1: just not necessary at all. But this business, the funeral

783
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: director of business is that older generation kind of like

784
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: you have going that older generation of men, younger generation

785
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: of women. There's this weird battle in the middle of

786
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: the older generation still trying really trying to be super

787
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: relevant in kind of you know, sharing their knowledge, even

788
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: though some of their knowledge is getting to be antiquated

789
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: compared to newer knowledge and things that are coming up

790
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: in the business, and it's just this weird battle going

791
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: on right now, and it'll work itself out over time,

792
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: as it does. But it's not the greatest relationship between

793
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: the generations right now.

794
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's and it's just it's not even just

795
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: like in your profession, but it's just among people and

796
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: just I mean, just it sounds so ridiculous to think

797
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: that you're seeing something at your job. Okay, you don't

798
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: have to be a doctor to know what a blood

799
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: clot is, Like, I'm pretty sure you know what one is, right,

800
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: see the every day you like, you see them as

801
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 2: much as even actually even more than people that do autopsies,

802
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: because you do embombing on people that didn't even get autopsies,

803
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 2: So you're seeing way more like the most dead bodies

804
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: a day compared to anyone that could ever do an

805
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: analysis on it. But like, oh, you're not educated enough

806
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: to tell us what you're seeing, right, It's that that

807
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: is annoying to me, And it's just and then you

808
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: also just like have to you have to, Okay, so

809
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: if you see one thing, you're like picking a side

810
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 2: or picking it's it's like, no, I'm just I'm just

811
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: stating a fact, like you can talk at it however

812
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:36,439
Speaker 2: you want.

813
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, not on a soapbox, not putting up a billboard,

814
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 3: not trying to change anybody's mind, just stating what has

815
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 3: you know, what our thoughts are, and.

816
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: It is what it is, you know. And so yeah,

817
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:53,839
Speaker 1: it was it was a bit frustrating because I was like,

818
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: of course, it's the perfect pleaser thing where I'm like,

819
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: what do you mean? I got shut my video got

820
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: shut down. It was very like I want to talk

821
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: to somebody about this, and I want to and so

822
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: of course I did my appeal and then my second

823
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: appeal and then that was it.

824
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you get you get so frustrated because

825
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 2: you're really you know, you're just talking to a computer.

826
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 2: This is an algorithm that just picked it up. There's

827
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: no Yeah, and especially with a high following, you should

828
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: have access to like a human you could talk to.

829
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: There's no they don't care, there's nobody, no it all.

830
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: It's which is frustrating. It's it's like, if you're a

831
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 1: content creator, you want to understand the system so you

832
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: can be the best content creator you can be. You

833
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: can connect with people the best way and for all

834
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: the effort, you can create some kind of a monetary

835
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: revenue for it to make it worth your time, And

836
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: some of these platforms make it absolutely insanely hard to

837
00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: figure out how to create your revenue or why did

838
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: my numbers drive by, you know, thousands of you know viewers,

839
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: or why did my revenue not thousands viewer revenue?

840
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: But why did my subscribers drop all of a sudden?

841
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 2: Why did my revenue drop all of a sudden? And

842
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,959
Speaker 2: there's no one you can ask, there's no way to know.

843
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: And so it's trying to figure out that You're talking

844
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: to other content creators and they're they're doing all these

845
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: little Okay, if I post it here, if I post

846
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: it there, then this will change and is like a

847
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: big gain board that you're trying to figure out. But

848
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone answer because I think the

849
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: algorithm changes every two days. So I just keep slinging,

850
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,240
Speaker 1: throwing out my good stuff as best I can, trying

851
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,239
Speaker 1: to be a little creative, a little fun, but still

852
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 1: give good information.

853
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: And you know, at the end of the day, it

854
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 2: is what it is. But yes, revenue does help. Revenue

855
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 2: keeps you.

856
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: Going to want to do more because I don't want

857
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: to take time away from my kids to sit and

858
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: be a content create if it's not going to help

859
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: my family and help my home. It's not all about

860
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: the dollar, but it helps when I'm selling all this

861
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: time with this stuff. Hey, kids, you gotta be quiet.

862
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I gotta do video right now. Hey kids, I gotta

863
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Speaker 1: go edit this. Hey, I gotta go do comments. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I have to respond to emails. Hey, I got to

865
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Speaker 1: make these phone calls. I have to go travel to

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Speaker 1: this place on my dime to make a video about

867
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Speaker 1: this because I think people would like it. You know,

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Speaker 1: they didn't. I don't think that they wanted to go

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Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh and go to the first UH crematory that

870
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: ever ran in America. They did because they know it's

871
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: what one does. But I don't think that was on

872
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: their plan of the bestification of their life. And it

873
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: has no magnitude to them.

874
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Speaker 2: But we did on our adventure, us three girls together

875
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 2: did that. And you know, one day they'll be like, wow,

876
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: that was cool, we went there. Mile we remember that.

877
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 1: It won't be anytime soon I'm going to tell you.

878
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 2: But you know it's what yeah, no, and then and

879
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: people people don't understand all the work that goes into

880
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: it and much Yeah, it's I mean, at first it

881
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: started with me doing a post laying in bed at

882
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: night for an hour, but like it quickly evolves into

883
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 2: a full time job and still not enough time in

884
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: the day to do what you want to do, you know, no,

885
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: and then and then.

886
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: So I've stepped back a little bit and had to

887
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: reevaluate because I was so shard on myself, like oh

888
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: my gosh, I didn't post en off this month, or

889
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: I didn't respond to enough comments, or I didn't get

890
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: to that email quick enough, and I'm finally like, who's

891
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: judging me? I'm the only one judging me. I'm the

892
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: only one that's critical of myself. And I'll have people say,

893
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I comment on a lot of people's

894
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: YouTube and nobody ever comments back to me, And I'm like, really,

895
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: I thought I needed to do that, or thank you

896
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: for responding to my email, you know, a day later.

897
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 1: I didn't expect you to ever respond to me. And

898
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, people don't do that, So I guess maybe

899
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: my mindset is a little different. I'm from the you know,

900
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: think you know era where that's not how people are

901
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: now as much.

902
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 2: It's just hard because I like, today I got a

903
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: bunch of emails or direct messages, and and then like

904
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 2: I feel big because I'm like, this person spent time

905
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: writing this out and attaching these pictures. And but but

906
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: like there has to be a point where I'm like,

907
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: I got to cook dinner and I got to take

908
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 2: care of my kids, who are more important than anybody

909
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: else in the world, and like, I can't. You just

910
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 2: can't give your attention to every single person that wants

911
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: your attention. It's just not possible.

912
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: No, And it's it is nice getting letters, and it

913
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: is nice because I have people who are like, hey,

914
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: I went and pre arranged my funeral because I felt

915
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 1: confident or my mom died and I walked in there

916
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: knowing what I wanted, knew what questions did, they ask me,

917
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: what to watch for, And I felt really good working

918
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: with these people because they felt good for all the

919
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 1: reasons you told us we needed to watch for and things.

920
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's awesome. That's awesome that someone had

921
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: a better moment going to to a funeral home rather

922
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: than going and scare going in thinking they're going to

923
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: be taken advantage of because they didn't know what to

924
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: do or what to ask or what to plan for themselves.

925
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: And so that makes me happy that people are understanding

926
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: or taking gleaning anything from it. But yeah, I mean

927
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: I get Christmas cards made out to me and Josh,

928
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, and you know, my kids. I don't say

929
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: their names and stuff. I've tried to, you know, like

930
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: I try and hold some stuff back. They've been in

931
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: a couple of videos, but no, a lot. I don't

932
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 1: post about them much. I try and keep it a

933
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: bit private, just because there are crazies you just never know.

934
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and plus, as Dolly Parton says, you got to

935
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 2: keep a little bit of yourself to yourself and not

936
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,479
Speaker 2: give it to everybody else.

937
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: That's when I went through my divorce a couple of

938
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Speaker 1: years ago. I posted a video about my grief journey

939
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: because as a funeral director, you do not great normal

940
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: like most people. You can imagine that things are turned off,

941
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: things are really delayed. Just is not normal. My niece

942
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: was murdered back in two thousand and eight, and I

943
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: never went through what I would call like any normal

944
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: grief because I am blomed her. I took care of

945
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,919
Speaker 1: her like all these things. So when I went through

946
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: my divorce, I was going through it. I went through

947
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: all these big waved emotional moments. I'd be laughing, then

948
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: I'd be on the floor crying. And so I did

949
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: a little video on it because I was like, here's

950
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: what I'm feeling in this. I believe has to be

951
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: similar to what non funeral directors go through with loss.

952
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: And people were like, why are you sharing all this

953
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: stuff and blah blah blah, And I'm like, what am

954
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: I sharing? Like, I'm not telling you why I got divorced,

955
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you all this other stuff Like I'm

956
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: just sharing emotions and thoughts and stuff. And it was

957
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: just interesting, people like why are you sharing? Why are

958
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: you talking? Why are you lying? It was I was like,

959
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,800
Speaker 1: well you can kiss me.

960
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 2: So You're like, this is what being a funeral director

961
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,879
Speaker 2: is because I can imagine, like you have children, right,

962
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: so when you're doing and embalmbing on a child that

963
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: just died, you have to be able to like shut

964
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 2: that off and do your job because you can't be

965
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: sitting there in the corner crying when you're doing it.

966
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: But they don't talk about just like PTSD and stuff,

967
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: and just like you hold it in, you hold it in,

968
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: and then when it happened to you in real life,

969
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 2: you held it in and then all of a sudden

970
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,760
Speaker 2: it came out like vomit, right, And that's something people

971
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: need to realize when they go into that field, if

972
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 2: they're interested that like, that's probably going to happen to

973
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: you too.

974
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's it, does it. It's such a mind

975
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: crazy saying to try and psychoanalyze the funeral director of

976
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: brain because.

977
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: I don't even know that you could because it's.

978
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: Wild, but it is. It's very different. But it is

979
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: interesting to be criticized for just sharing me, and it's like, well,

980
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: how can you judge me when I'm just mean sharing me? Like,

981
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: who's going to know me better than me? It's a weird, weird.

982
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 2: Thing when you're being told doing you wrong. And it's

983
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 2: probably the majority of your followers probably, I feel like,

984
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: are probably like mine, Like you have this really big

985
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,240
Speaker 2: set of people that are loyal and they care about

986
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: every aspect of your life and then you're just always

987
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: gonna have some troll and and just yeap. Just I

988
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: feel like those people are almost like haters, like they're

989
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: jealous because they're not doing something like that or whatever.

990
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. I don't try to

991
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: like psychoanalyze people too much. But just if you want

992
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: to do it's your page. I say that, it's my page.

993
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,279
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever the hell I want to do. If

994
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: you don't like it, make your own page, and you

995
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 2: do it how you would do it. This is my thing, right.

996
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 2: It's it's annoying when people say that because you're just like, sorry,

997
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: I'm not doing what you think I should be doing.

998
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 1: Right, don't watch my videos, don't look at my TikTok

999
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: do don't partake in my posts. If it's not something

1000
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 1: you want in your life, don't do it. I'm not

1001
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 1: forcing you to do it. I didn't try you down.

1002
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: You came to my stuff. You chose this. Just walk away.

1003
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: Don't even even saying just walk away anyway? They don't

1004
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 1: It is.

1005
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 2: Well, oh no, they always they announced that they want to,

1006
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: but they never actually do it.

1007
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Speaker 4: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room.

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Speaker 4: Do you want to explain for everybody the awesome work

1009
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Speaker 4: you do in there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

1011
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: So the Gross Room is kind of it was kind

1012
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: of born because of the extreme censorship that I get

1013
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Speaker 2: last week we talked about NFL player Michael Williams and

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Speaker 2: his death, his untimely death at thirty six years old

1018
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Speaker 2: from a dental abscess. So I do a deeper dive

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Speaker 2: do so many things, like I was telling you that

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Speaker 2: those cases, but also just what things might have looked

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Speaker 2: like at autopsy when these people died. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's a really educational website, but we also have a

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Speaker 2: it and there's posts every day, lots of content, lots

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Speaker 2: And actually we were doing this podcast for like what

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00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,520
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1041
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1042
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Speaker 2: it's an it's just like a nice it's a nice

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1044
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Speaker 2: are a little bit weird but want to learn something too.

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Speaker 2: It's it's it's awesome. I love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So especially we have fifty episodes before Mother Knows

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Speaker 4: Death launch, you could tune into we read all of

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Speaker 4: the high profile and celebrity death detections on audio. Today.

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Speaker 4: visit thogrossroom dot.

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Speaker 2: Com and you can join for only five ninety nine

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Speaker 2: they jump right on that because they just love it

1058
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Speaker 2: so much. So see you in the grossroom. So this

1059
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: question is for all of my fellow people that do autopsies.

1060
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: So one of the first things that was like ingrained

1061
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 2: in me as a PA student was to make sure

1062
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Speaker 2: that every single autopsy I do to make sure that

1063
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Speaker 2: the incisions are in the correct spot, and that I

1064
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Speaker 2: don't cut anything that I'm not supposed to cut, even

1065
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Speaker 2: if they tell us that the person's getting cremated, because

1066
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: sometimes last minute families changed their mind and everything. So

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Speaker 2: I feel like I've always been really good at it,

1068
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Speaker 2: just because my mentors were like standing over me, don't

1069
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Speaker 2: button hold a neck, don't do it you're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: They can't wear you know, they can't have an open

1071
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Speaker 2: cas kid all the stuff, so we like, I leave

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Speaker 2: the crowteds really long. I got taught how to cut

1073
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Speaker 2: them so low so even if they retracked, you could

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Speaker 2: still see them, and one of my mentors even ties

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Speaker 2: them off. Just we always have this thing that we're

1076
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 2: not the last person that's going to be in this body,

1077
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: so like leave it nice for them next person kind

1078
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 2: of thing, cleaning the body off, putting in a body

1079
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: bag so it doesn't leak in your car. I mean obviously,

1080
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 2: like if a person has like a lot of a

1081
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 2: demer or something, there's nothing we can do about the leaking.

1082
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: But what do you ever get a body that's botched,

1083
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 2: like from an autopsy? And do you have any advice

1084
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 2: for people that do autopsies like things that you prefer

1085
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 2: when you get the body goodness?

1086
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: Yes, so many botched. We can always tell when there's

1087
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: somebody new or there's a new student or whatever, because

1088
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 1: the incision will come past that you're up here. There'll

1089
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 1: be extra holes through the back or through kind of

1090
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: up in the neck. In children, extra little holes up

1091
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: in the neck that accidentally happens. That just makes us

1092
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: so angry. Those things definitely happen. Cutting the vessels too short,

1093
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: So when we're talking vessels, we're talking arteries. We need

1094
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: those to inject. So we want there to be six

1095
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: of them, the two up into the head, one into

1096
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: each arm, and one into each leg. We sometimes have

1097
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: to dig for the arm and the leg, which is fine.

1098
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 1: The neck though if this one retracts up we have

1099
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: no nothing else to inject up into the head. We

1100
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,600
Speaker 1: could try the circle of willis. I don't know even

1101
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: I actually have some of the Bulber's recently. I'm like,

1102
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: have you ever tried that, like injecting into the circle

1103
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: of wellis, And they're like, depends on.

1104
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 2: If it's cut, if it's whole, you could try. And

1105
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm like, I just if it because I had a

1106
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: case and this.

1107
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: It was gone. It was absolutely There's literally nothing up

1108
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: into the neck that I could find to even try

1109
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: to inject. So the whole side of the face I

1110
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: had to just soak from the outside with chemical because

1111
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: there's no way I could get fluid up in there,

1112
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: and so that is super crucial. A lot of them

1113
00:58:56,520 --> 00:58:58,720
Speaker 1: will tie it off and hang strings so you can

1114
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: quit grab them, which is great, but there are those

1115
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: that absolutely do not, or you get the super invasive

1116
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: autopsies where they do a spinal they do the back

1117
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: of the legs, they y I'm trying to think of

1118
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: some of the worst. Yeah, we've had a girl got

1119
00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 1: hit by a car and so they did the whole

1120
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 1: back of her legs to look at the bruising and everything.

1121
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: That's hard. Anything on the back of a deceased is

1122
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: very tricky for us because we have to roll the person.

1123
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: We don't want to roll them on their face because

1124
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: we need the face to look good, so we can

1125
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: roll it kind of up against a wall if we

1126
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: hold the table and prep them against the wall. The suture,

1127
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: but that much, it's a lot of suturing. Knowing why

1128
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 1: some of that is done would be great, Like hey,

1129
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 1: by the way, we did this incision because of this,

1130
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: rather than us thinking what the heck are they doing

1131
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: over there? Are they just like.

1132
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: Cutting them all apart for whatever reason just because they

1133
00:59:59,280 --> 00:59:59,680
Speaker 2: want to.

1134
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 1: Because it's really hard. It's a lot of leaking, especially

1135
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: if it's on the backside. We got gravity and it's

1136
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: a lot of leaking. But trying to think what would

1137
01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: be good advice.

1138
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: It's actually interesting because there's a standard thing so if

1139
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 2: a person has a pulmonary embolism or something, you would

1140
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 2: check to see where it came from, and most oftentimes

1141
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: it comes from the deep veins in the leg and

1142
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: there is a dissection that we learned to take that

1143
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 2: out and look at it. But I recall like several

1144
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: pathol just being like, you know what, that's going to

1145
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: be hell for the funeral director, and like who cares

1146
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 2: where it came from like it's there and they're dead

1147
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: because of it. It came you know what I mean,

1148
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 2: Like there has to be a certain level of like

1149
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 2: you're gonna make this person complete. Hell if you take

1150
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 2: out all of the vessels in this person's leg right now.

1151
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 2: You know, it's just something you have to think about

1152
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 2: a lot of times. But I could see when I

1153
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,080
Speaker 2: was at the emme's office, because they just had so

1154
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: many bodies every day, they weren't like teaching the people

1155
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: how to do a dissection, to take out the larring

1156
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 2: and like leave the karate. It's really long and stuff.

1157
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: So I could see how you could have a problem.

1158
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: Trust me, well, taking the tongue has gone sometimes and

1159
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: so we have to rebuild kind of the atom sample.

1160
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: We have to you know, do certain things because this

1161
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: is completely empty from what usually would be there. So

1162
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: we have to kind of rebuild the neck. When we

1163
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: are doing the embalming, I think some people just go

1164
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: so fast, you know, oh, we got to get through

1165
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: all these bodies. We have so many we got to

1166
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 1: just go and there're and not thinking of that after.

1167
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: So I wish everybody had that mindset that's working at

1168
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,919
Speaker 1: the you know, pathology and medical faider's office. But it's

1169
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: just not the case, especially with children. I'm like, how

1170
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: do you make any mistake with a child? Like it

1171
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: should be slow and super methodical, but these extra holes

1172
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: and things are just so frustrating.

1173
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 2: You probably notice a difference between and all time of

1174
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: a child that you get from a children's hospital versus

1175
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: one that you get from the emmy's office. Like one

1176
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 2: of my best friends is a PA. She's been she's

1177
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 2: been a pediatric PA almost her entire career, and they

1178
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: take eight hours to do an autopsy on a child.

1179
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 2: You know, like they are like the most respect the

1180
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: most care the most. Let's because a parent wants to know,

1181
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: like if I have another baby, are they going to

1182
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: have this problem? There's just like all these additional things

1183
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: you do with a child, And I don't think that

1184
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: she's ever had that problem of cutting through the neck

1185
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: because they just know that the skin on a child's

1186
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 2: so much thinner there and everything. Yeah, but yeah, and

1187
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: especially like if the parent wants an open casket, then

1188
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 2: I guess this kind of goes for my next question.

1189
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 2: When when I was a teenager, I knew someone that

1190
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 2: I worked with that she was at a hair salon.

1191
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,680
Speaker 2: She had gotten shot in the head by her ex husband,

1192
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 2: and we all were getting ready to go to the funeral,

1193
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 2: and I don't know. In my head, I was just like,

1194
01:03:07,040 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 2: she got shot in the head, Like she's not having

1195
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: an open casket, right, And when we went to the funeral,

1196
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 2: she did have an open casket, and I was like

1197
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 2: mind blown, like, oh my god, I can't believe you

1198
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 2: could get shot in the head and still have an

1199
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: open casket. Yeah, so I know that you guys are

1200
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: a miracle worker, artists and stuff have you. And this

1201
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: goes back to with the kid having an incision in

1202
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 2: their neck, like what are some of the or have

1203
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: you ever had a case that you really didn't want

1204
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: to do an open casket and the family was like

1205
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 2: I need to have this done and you pulled off

1206
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: like some kind of miracle for them. Like what are

1207
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: some of the more extensive things that you've done.

1208
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've not done like a full completely obliterated kind

1209
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: of cranium full from scratch pieces, resect the face, full restoration.

1210
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: I've never needed to do that. A shotgun would be

1211
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,480
Speaker 1: something that would do a lot of destruction to a

1212
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: person's head. You could theoretically put all all back together

1213
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: in some way and be perfectly presentable and recognizable. They're

1214
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 1: never going to look perfect at all, because it's not

1215
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: them and they've been disrupted and you've just put the

1216
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: pieces back. But simple hair restorations. Things like being shot

1217
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: in the head with a small caliber. You're gonna have

1218
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: some eye bruising, you might have a bit of swelling,

1219
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 1: but typically the entry is small. The exit may be

1220
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 1: a bit bigger, but it may also be small, so

1221
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: you're just putting and patching. You may have to do

1222
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: some hair restoration. I had a kid once had killed

1223
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: himself and shot himself through the head with a small

1224
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: caliber and just had an entry and exit wound. But

1225
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:01,439
Speaker 1: they had shaved around doing an autopsy just to make

1226
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,880
Speaker 1: sure that it was suicide and such, and so we

1227
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: had this weird shaved section. So I just cut parts

1228
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: of the back of his hair and laid it in

1229
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 1: and covered it. And his mom was so happy. She's like,

1230
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: you've given me back my child. I don't have to

1231
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: look at what was done. And it was just such

1232
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 1: a nice moment to have that I've had somewhere. They're

1233
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: bad car accidents. A lot of distortion that I've done

1234
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 1: everything I could do, and they viewed and closed for

1235
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: the public, but the families spent time in viewed done

1236
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: head wraps where there was literally nothing left of the

1237
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,760
Speaker 1: head that I could do really much with. I mean,

1238
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: if I'd been given like five days and endless you know,

1239
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: financial supply to pay for everything, I could have possibly.

1240
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 1: But where we've just kind of constructed a head shape

1241
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,040
Speaker 1: wrapped in to or a sheet or something and dressed

1242
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: and had them laid out so the family could come

1243
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,560
Speaker 1: in and hold their hand or whatever. You know, there's

1244
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: always something we can do in some ways. When you

1245
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: get to advanced decomposition, that's when we can't even bring

1246
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: them in the building because of the smell.

1247
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I was actually going to ask you about that, Yeah,

1248
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 2: because it's smelled like obviously a decompost person smells so bad.

1249
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 2: So I was even thinking, like just bringing them into

1250
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 2: the building would smell up the whole entire place. So

1251
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: what do you do in those situations when you get

1252
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 2: those calls.

1253
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: If we know it's extreme decomposition, we will leave them

1254
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: because they're typically up a medical examiner's office at that point.

1255
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: We leave them at the medical Examiner's office until we're

1256
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 2: taking them to the grave or we're taking them to

1257
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 2: the crematory, and we'll pick them up and take them.

1258
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,360
Speaker 1: We'll take the casket with us or the cremation box

1259
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 1: and we will place them in it and take them

1260
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: directly to their place. If a family insists on seeing them,

1261
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 1: we explain that viewing has to be done out in

1262
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: the garage because we have to respect everyone that's being

1263
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: served by the business, and we have to just maintain

1264
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: the integrity of the business as well. I mean, we

1265
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: can if I walk in the back door at the

1266
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: funeral home and I know if there's a decomp position,

1267
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: I would call them decomp you know, in the building,

1268
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: and this is they're in a bag, they're in a cooler,

1269
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: they're down a set of stairs through two doorways. You

1270
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: can smell it. It permeates like nothing else because it's fat,

1271
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:33,520
Speaker 1: saluble smell, and so it just permeates. You can't bring

1272
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 1: that in your business to penetrate out into the rooms

1273
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 1: that other families that are in, that all your staff

1274
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:42,480
Speaker 1: is in everything. You just can't do that as a business.

1275
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: But you have garages, you can leave them at the

1276
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: Medical Examiner's office as long as possible. It's a sad thing.

1277
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: It's hard. You can take photo of them and show

1278
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: it to the family if they sign an authorization, so

1279
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: then you're not factoring in the smell. They can still see

1280
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: them without the smell if that suffices. So it's coming

1281
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: up with options that maybe are a good middle point

1282
01:08:04,560 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: for a family if they do want to see, just

1283
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,800
Speaker 1: so that they know it's their loved one.

1284
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 2: So there's times that you say, like, we advise you

1285
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 2: not to see this body, and people push and push

1286
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 2: for it, and then you would you would let them.

1287
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Speaker 1: There's no way you can stop them, so you as

1288
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: a funeral home can say no, they can go to

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01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: a different funeral home. It's their loved one. They have

1290
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 1: every right to see them legally, so they can't. You

1291
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: can't really stop them unless you choose as a funeral

1292
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: home not to allow it. They may have to sign

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01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: something or whatever the case. Typically a viewing of an

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01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: uninbolned body, maybe the form, just to have something legal

1295
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:49,599
Speaker 1: that maybe they can't come back and sue you for

1296
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:53,240
Speaker 1: mental anguish if you know they want to leader.

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Speaker 4: But.

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01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,680
Speaker 1: They have the right. I have advised against viewing sometimes

1299
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: when I was younger in my career, I didn't see

1300
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: the potential of some people that oh I could have

1301
01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 1: done this or that. Now I'm like, gosh, I wish

1302
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:10,320
Speaker 1: I had that body in front of me, because heck,

1303
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: I could do so much with them. But if someone

1304
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 1: doesn't have a nose, I didn't realize how much I

1305
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:20,760
Speaker 1: could do to recreate a nose or an extreme decomposition

1306
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: where maybe maybe I could have. But some of the times,

1307
01:09:25,120 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: by the time we even speak to them, the Medical

1308
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:31,360
Speaker 1: Examiner's office has already told them they shouldn't view, which

1309
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 1: is not a great thing because sometimes just doing a

1310
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: bath and checking out the person gives a whole different

1311
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: vantage point to how they're going to look. But we

1312
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: have investigators who will be like, yeah, you're not going

1313
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:44,680
Speaker 1: to want to see them, that's terrible. And then they

1314
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: get to us and they're like, we were told not

1315
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 1: to see them, so it's out of our mind, we

1316
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: don't even want to, And it's like, but they look okay,

1317
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: are you sure? So sometimes it's bad advice for someone

1318
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: who maybe shouldn't be giving the advice on whether they

1319
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: can view or not until we get them and know

1320
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:03,280
Speaker 1: exactly what this scenario is. Because we can do a

1321
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 1: lot more than sometimes the investigators have any knowledge of

1322
01:10:07,479 --> 01:10:09,799
Speaker 1: us being able to do and a bad.

1323
01:10:10,439 --> 01:10:12,880
Speaker 2: I get that, Like they don't. They don't the people

1324
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 2: at the Emmy's office like I would think. I mean,

1325
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 2: I've seen people in car accidents and stuff that have

1326
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,680
Speaker 2: died and just think like, oh God like, but we like,

1327
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 2: we don't know doingny autopsy the miracles that you're capable

1328
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: of doing. So it shouldn't be.

1329
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: Well in road rash. I mean like when someone goes

1330
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 1: across asphalt or goes through a window and has like

1331
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: little abrasions, it looks far worse than it is once

1332
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 1: we clean off the blood and the glass. And so

1333
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 1: that's the first thing we have to do is bathe

1334
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: them and get all the glass off and get the

1335
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 1: blood off and kind of get the dirt and whatever

1336
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: is on them from being out in the elements and

1337
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:57,680
Speaker 1: really see what we're working with, because it may just

1338
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: be needed to dry out those abrasions, out the cuts

1339
01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: and everything. And you know, once they're dry, you can

1340
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: wax and then cosmetize and fill some of it, so

1341
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as it initially may look to

1342
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: some people.

1343
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the stuff that you guys do is cool.

1344
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: Like one interesting thing is when I when my grandmam died,

1345
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 2: she was really jaundice. She because she had the goallbladder

1346
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,599
Speaker 2: cancer and she she like was she was just like

1347
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 2: bright yellow. And she died. And when we went to

1348
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:36,240
Speaker 2: the viewing, she she looked she looked great, Like she

1349
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 2: looked like her normal color. And I went up to

1350
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 2: the funeral director and I was like, yo, what would

1351
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 2: you do because like, she looks great, And he said

1352
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,800
Speaker 2: he was telling me that there was like dyes or

1353
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,799
Speaker 2: something in the embalming fluid, and yeah, it's weird because

1354
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:53,560
Speaker 2: he was I was like, you could talk to me

1355
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,560
Speaker 2: about this stuff, because I can imagine that he was

1356
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 2: a little uncomfortable that the granddaughter of the of the

1357
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: person was like, tell me what you did to get

1358
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,559
Speaker 2: hur to look like this, you know exactly. It was

1359
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,040
Speaker 2: really cool. So every funeral that we've ever had in

1360
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: my family is very just like Catholic traditional. We've either

1361
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,799
Speaker 2: you know, have a viewing and then it's a service

1362
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,400
Speaker 2: at the funeral home or to get cremated or to

1363
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 2: go to the graveyard or the cemetery, and that's it.

1364
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,680
Speaker 2: I've never had anything like any kind of craziness in

1365
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 2: our family of somebody that did something on traditional But

1366
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: I've been a couple of years ago there was like

1367
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 2: all these articles going off and people sending me these

1368
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: articles of people that were getting embombed and like propped

1369
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 2: on top of their motorcycle and standing in the corner

1370
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: of their kitchen and all this crazy stuff. So have

1371
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 2: you ever had any like super crazy requests and were

1372
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,680
Speaker 2: you able to pull off the request that they asked for.

1373
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: No, that's called extreamin baal mean, And they do it

1374
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: the most down in Puerto Rico. I don't know why

1375
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 1: they started down in Puerto Rico doing this, but they

1376
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: have a funeral home down there that has done it

1377
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: the most. When you look at all these pictures I

1378
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 1: give you, put together every picture there is about extreme embalming.

1379
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 1: It's like the same seven bodies and it just keeps

1380
01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: recycling and then keeps going out, so it looks like

1381
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: it's happening often where it's just not. It's been done

1382
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,920
Speaker 1: a few times in America and pictures come up, but

1383
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 1: I think most people are going to shy away from

1384
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: it because of the huge unknown, the huge liability to it.

1385
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: Because you have to embalm that body so they're still

1386
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: pliable to be able to put them in a casket later,

1387
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 1: which means their arms are up for whatever this positioning,

1388
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 1: and then they have to be able to move them down.

1389
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:43,480
Speaker 1: So you're doing a very soft embalming well with preservation,

1390
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: you have rigidity, so they're not being well preserved. It

1391
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 1: seems like to be able to do that, I can't.

1392
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,679
Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't expeak for experience, but I'm like, okay,

1393
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 1: so we need duct tape, we need PVC pipe, we

1394
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,280
Speaker 1: need rods, we need zip ties, we need all these

1395
01:13:59,320 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: things to happen to be able to facilitate this. Then

1396
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 1: we have to make sure this body doesn't purge, that

1397
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: it's not going to start smelling, it's not going to

1398
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: just you know, go to hell before we can get

1399
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,719
Speaker 1: them buried. So I feel like most funeral homes wouldn't

1400
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: take it on because of the liability of all the

1401
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: things that could go wrong with the whole thing. I

1402
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: did interview a woman in Canada and that did this.

1403
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 1: It was the Drummer, and she really didn't say much

1404
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: of what she did. She stayed very very gray area

1405
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: talking about what she actually did, because I'm like, did

1406
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: you embalm like normal?

1407
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 4: Did you?

1408
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 1: And she's like, I'm bombed like normal? And then I

1409
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 1: just positioned them. I'm like, well I didn't. Not a

1410
01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:45,080
Speaker 1: body I have ever embalmed has been that Lucy goosey

1411
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: unless they had they had medication in them that neutralizing embalming,

1412
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: and then that body's going to crap super fast. So

1413
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't see how it can happen

1414
01:14:57,880 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: unless this is happening super quickly to get them in

1415
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: the ground or something. So I think that there's an

1416
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: unknown there that I have yet to mentally figure out

1417
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: or scientifically. It would be interesting to be given a

1418
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,560
Speaker 1: donated body and say, hey, what could you do with this,

1419
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: and to do trial and error and just kind of

1420
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 1: see if I could what result we could get, how

1421
01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: we could get them set up, how long they would

1422
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: position for, what problems we may encounter, and then get

1423
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,200
Speaker 1: them in a casket and see if it could work.

1424
01:15:30,600 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: I would hate to have a family come in and

1425
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:35,160
Speaker 1: say this is what I want, Carrie, let's do this,

1426
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:42,120
Speaker 1: huh okay. Sometimes before you sit down with the family,

1427
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:46,639
Speaker 1: the body's already bombed, yeah, and then are super firm,

1428
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: and you know, they're a rock on a rock card

1429
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 1: on the table, and all of a sudden they're telling

1430
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: you they want to do this, that or the other.

1431
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't know how I would do it at that

1432
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: point if I knew ahead, maybe, but logistical nightmare to

1433
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:03,160
Speaker 1: me is what it sounds like. And I would hate

1434
01:16:03,200 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: to fail that family by trying to do something and

1435
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,000
Speaker 1: it going horrifically wrong.

1436
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because like what if you're trying to bend them

1437
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,080
Speaker 2: into position and you can't do it and then you

1438
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: mess something up for them to even have a normal thing.

1439
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 2: At that point, I see that, like I see that

1440
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 2: you would want to practice on and really, like, who's

1441
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 2: going to donate their body for that practice exactly?

1442
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 1: There's got to be someone along the lines. I've had

1443
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: people tell me I want to donate my body to

1444
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 1: you so you can do a live in baal mean,

1445
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, thanks, So yeah, I want that.

1446
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,000
Speaker 1: That's going to be first of all shut down by

1447
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: you know, YouTube or whatever, but I can see at

1448
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: some point that it's going to happen.

1449
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 4: You know.

1450
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: I remember there was a movie I couldn't even tell

1451
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:49,679
Speaker 1: you what it was when they were airing a live

1452
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 1: execution or something, and that was just how the society was.

1453
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, eventually, yes, we're going to

1454
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 1: be doing all this crazy stuff live and anybody can

1455
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,280
Speaker 1: watch these things stuff, and like, it's just not now,

1456
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:03,280
Speaker 1: and it's not going to be me right now. Sorry,

1457
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:03,800
Speaker 1: it's just not.

1458
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah I say that too. Like people are always like,

1459
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 2: can you do an autopsy live? And I'm like, no,

1460
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: it's not going to be me. Like I'm not who

1461
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 2: would who would allow? Who would allow that? Like you

1462
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: have to get permission from their family, and it's like

1463
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: who would For science? I'm like, if you actually really

1464
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: ever saw an autopsy, you would never want that. You

1465
01:17:25,800 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: would never want that to be like on film like

1466
01:17:28,960 --> 01:17:32,760
Speaker 2: that for yeah, like I I mean we've done them

1467
01:17:33,200 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 2: for the medical school and stuff, just to show the

1468
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,799
Speaker 2: medical students, but that's not it's just it's really gruesome.

1469
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think that you would say like, yeah,

1470
01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:43,840
Speaker 2: you could do my dad like that. And it's like,

1471
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:46,360
Speaker 2: now you you wouldn't. You wouldn't want to see that.

1472
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 2: That's not that's not something a little graphic.

1473
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a little weird to want that, But

1474
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: at some point there'll be somebody there. Always is going

1475
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:01,839
Speaker 1: to be that one. Yeah.

1476
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: So this so on the Mother nos Death podcast this week,

1477
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 2: we talked about this big case that's been going on

1478
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,559
Speaker 2: for a couple months now of this funeral home I'm

1479
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: sure you've heard of it, called Return to Nature Funeral Home,

1480
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: and they they promoted their services for doing green funerals

1481
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,360
Speaker 2: with no embalming fluid, and I guess technically they gave

1482
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 2: all of their people what they asked for. However, not

1483
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 2: in that kind of way, because I don't think anybody

1484
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: would have agreed to that. But I guess back in

1485
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:36,920
Speaker 2: the I think it was back in the summer, the

1486
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 2: neighbors were complaining that there was a smell, and the

1487
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:46,160
Speaker 2: police officers showed up and found two hundred bodies in

1488
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: this warehouse type thing, stacked on top of each other,

1489
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,479
Speaker 2: decomposed body fluid all over the place, maggots all over

1490
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: and just imagine the smell of one body, let alone

1491
01:18:56,880 --> 01:19:00,599
Speaker 2: two hundred that some of them were there for years apparently.

1492
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1493
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: So, like, I have so many questions on this, like

1494
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: how did this happen? Don't you have to have some

1495
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:12,639
Speaker 2: kind of accreditation and rules to follow, and how did

1496
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: this happen Colorado?

1497
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:23,000
Speaker 1: So these are unlicensed people Toronto, and yeah, so they

1498
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 1: went in and they're not licensed funeral directors are in bombers.

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01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 1: They were running this natural burial and cremation company. They

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01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: had two locations, one where they functioned out of the

1501
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 1: other was kind of more of a holding place.

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01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 2: And they initially thought that, oh, they kind of pissed

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01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 2: off and didn't pay their bills with crematories, and so,

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01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, beginning the summer they just stopped.

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01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: Cremating the bodies and started holding them. So initially they thought, oh,

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01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: there's like eighty some bodies in here from over the

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01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:58,920
Speaker 1: summer when they went in there in October, end of

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01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: September October, and then once they really looked into it,

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01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: found and they were all cremation. None of them were burial.

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01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,080
Speaker 1: Initially from what they were talking, it was all bodies

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01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: intended for cremation. The families were given back things that

1512
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: were not cremated remains and kitty whatever it is concrete.

1513
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: And once they're now into it, they found they have

1514
01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: decided it's one hundred and ninety bodies. They are not

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: all identified yet from the last I heard, and in

1516
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 1: the process. They're starting to disinter some people to check

1517
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: into other scenarios, and they're finding that there are other

1518
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,120
Speaker 1: things going on beyond the cremation. And there are bodies

1519
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: from back to twenty seventeen that were found in that building.

1520
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 1: So this was going on for six years now, how

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01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,639
Speaker 1: many six years? Yeah, that they had been not burying

1522
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 1: and cremating individuals as they were supposed to too. It's

1523
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 1: a very long time for it to go on. But

1524
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:05,599
Speaker 1: not understanding, like.

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01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's not like I mean, I know

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01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: that it's different than a hospital, but like there's not

1527
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:14,160
Speaker 2: there's there's not like inspections or.

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: It's unless the state is called. They don't come in

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01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:22,679
Speaker 1: to inspect. There's not enough staff on the inspection board

1530
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: to go around and inspect unless there is something turned in.

1531
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: Just to tell you from Michigan, so I knew a

1532
01:21:28,400 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 1: local funeral home had no licensed funeral director operating in it.

1533
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,799
Speaker 1: They had no license on the wall with a manager

1534
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: that had a license that had a funeral director's license.

1535
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:44,599
Speaker 1: Bodies were being embalmed there. Had spoken to all the

1536
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: trade of bombers that would ever go there. None of

1537
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: them were going there. Everybody had basically turned their back

1538
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 1: for this period of time. I called the saint and

1539
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I know this is happening one hundred percent.

1540
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,240
Speaker 1: Will you investigate? Well, man, you're going to need to

1541
01:21:59,240 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: go online. You're going to need to print out this form,

1542
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: you're going to put it in writing, you're going to

1543
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,080
Speaker 1: put it in the mail, and you're going to drop

1544
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:05,759
Speaker 1: it in the mail to us. We have two weeks

1545
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,720
Speaker 1: to look in to respond to that, and then it

1546
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: decided if we're going to investigate, and at that point

1547
01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 1: then we may investigate if something is going on there

1548
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 1: or not. And I said, so you're telling me you

1549
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,759
Speaker 1: are willing to wait at least two weeks for families

1550
01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,439
Speaker 1: to be served there, you know, served by a non

1551
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:27,080
Speaker 1: licensed person, embalmed whatever, before you're going to even look

1552
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 1: into it. She goes, yes, that's our process. And I'm like,

1553
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 1: this is why people go to the media first, because

1554
01:22:33,360 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: there is a response. I will give a lot of

1555
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 1: credit to Colorado Faith, who runs the mortuary school out

1556
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: in Colorado, credited licensed mortuary school is said that they

1557
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 1: were super impressed as well because as soon as they

1558
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: were called, they were in investigating. It wasn't a delay

1559
01:22:53,720 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: there was no, oh, we'll investigate later. They were in

1560
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:59,160
Speaker 1: and it was shut down and everybody was in there

1561
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: and they were pulling back. It was so quick that

1562
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 1: they were on this and that families were being notified

1563
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,479
Speaker 1: and things were happening. So I give them a lot

1564
01:23:07,479 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: of credit for looking into things so quickly, because it's

1565
01:23:11,400 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: not always the way it's done. But this is probably

1566
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: the second biggest funeral home crematory incident I believe in

1567
01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 1: the country. I don't tri State Crematory down in Georgia

1568
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 1: had over three hundred bodies with their scenario. I think

1569
01:23:30,160 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 1: it was back in two thousand and two, and they

1570
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: were throwing bodies out in the woods and not cremating them.

1571
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:37,200
Speaker 1: So I think that's the biggest, and this is I

1572
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,839
Speaker 1: believe the second biggest. I've done a series of videos

1573
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,600
Speaker 1: on naughty funeral directors, and I don't think any of

1574
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: the stories were anywhere near this amount of deceased in

1575
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:47,639
Speaker 1: any of the stories.

1576
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,320
Speaker 2: It's just really it's really sick. Like, I know, working

1577
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: in this field and stuff, you get desensitized or whatever.

1578
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,280
Speaker 2: That's normal, But to think about just showing up at

1579
01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 2: a location and just throwing a human on top of

1580
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,120
Speaker 2: a human on top of a human like that is

1581
01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: when that smell, it is just I can't even imagine

1582
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: what the smell was opening the door to that place,

1583
01:24:10,520 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 2: no years for years, It's like, it's very gross. And

1584
01:24:15,880 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 2: to know that you're causing all that that, it's just

1585
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 2: it's something I can't really wrap my brain around. And

1586
01:24:22,680 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: the fact that a husband and wife were like, yeah,

1587
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: this is this is going to be our plan. This

1588
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 2: is like what was their plan? What were they thinking?

1589
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 2: I don't understand.

1590
01:24:32,240 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't know that they were. I think once they

1591
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:38,639
Speaker 1: did it a few times, what I have thought out

1592
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:41,759
Speaker 1: loud is okay, even if it was just the cremation

1593
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: bodies and it was for monetary profit and it was

1594
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety bodies and they were cremating them

1595
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:55,840
Speaker 1: for two thousand dollars, So let's do the math. You know,

1596
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 1: one hundred and ninety times two thousand is only three

1597
01:25:00,360 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: hundred and eighty dollars revenue, Like, is that really worth

1598
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 1: your whole life of going to be incarcerated for It's

1599
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:10,679
Speaker 1: really not. I mean it's not that huge of a number.

1600
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:14,840
Speaker 1: Over six years, that's only what sixty seventy thousand a

1601
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: year That you're taking in from doing that, Like, is

1602
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: it really worth that? I don't know. Maybe it is

1603
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,840
Speaker 1: obviously was to them, But now that they're diving into this,

1604
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:28,519
Speaker 1: there's burial bodies that are involved. I had somebody in

1605
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 1: my live video I think it was yesterday or the

1606
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:36,639
Speaker 1: day before said to me, Hey, my brother was one

1607
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,599
Speaker 1: of the victims of a return to nature and what

1608
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: do you have to say about this? And I was like,

1609
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:46,599
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this. And so the claim

1610
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 1: was that they had disentered a casket at a national

1611
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,759
Speaker 1: cemetery and found a woman duct taped inside of it.

1612
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: All sensational news. I have no idea. This has not

1613
01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 1: made the news. This is not so. Whether people are

1614
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: just trolling and throwing information, whether this is real information,

1615
01:26:05,560 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: I have no idea. But if it's a national cemetery,

1616
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: it could become a federal situation. But why would you

1617
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: not bury the person you're supposed to bury. I don't

1618
01:26:16,640 --> 01:26:20,559
Speaker 1: know where that would benefit a funeral director. So it's like, Okay,

1619
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: if you're going to be an illegal, naughty person, how

1620
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: is this act benefiting you by not burying the person

1621
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,920
Speaker 1: you're supposed to bury? What would make sense to me?

1622
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 1: Is to have extra bodies in the casket that you

1623
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: were supposed to cremate that you didn't, that you're stuck

1624
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 1: in a casket for burial. That would make sense financially,

1625
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 1: but not having the right It just there's so much

1626
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:48,880
Speaker 1: iological information that I'm being sent from several you know,

1627
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:51,880
Speaker 1: family member, whether they're truly family members or not. And

1628
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: so I think it's going to get really interesting as

1629
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 1: it plays out, because if any of this other stuff

1630
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: is true that people have posted on my my YouTube

1631
01:27:02,479 --> 01:27:06,200
Speaker 1: and stuff, I don't understand any motive and this general

1632
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: What's funny is I first heard the story about this

1633
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: and didn't know who it was. The name sounded familiar.

1634
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:17,200
Speaker 1: I went to go look and I was like, oh

1635
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: my god. So this guy had tried to make a

1636
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: really good, strong Instagram presence. He had reached out to me.

1637
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: We had talked a few times on Instagram on the

1638
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:32,040
Speaker 1: you know and direct messages about you know, the business

1639
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: and whatever, just kind of random general stuff. He had

1640
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:39,200
Speaker 1: tried to do a stand up comedy career once he

1641
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:42,120
Speaker 1: had become a funeral director. He would post about the

1642
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: funeral home all the time and stuff. When I saw

1643
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 1: who it was, I was like holy crap, Like, oh

1644
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like I know that guy, I know who

1645
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:55,120
Speaker 1: that is. We've talked before. Yeah, it's just wild. And

1646
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 1: the fact that he is not in prison right now

1647
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 1: because he got out on bail or on bond or

1648
01:27:59,800 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: whatever it's called his the family so upset and they're

1649
01:28:05,040 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: talking about statutal limitation that like, oh, maybe these old

1650
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 1: bodies we can't prosecute four because they've been dead for

1651
01:28:11,600 --> 01:28:14,120
Speaker 1: so long. Well it's like, well, if the families knew

1652
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: they were where they were supposed to be, they would

1653
01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 1: have prosecuted them earlier on it. So it's not the

1654
01:28:19,439 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: family's faults that these people are the deceased fault. We

1655
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: just they didn't get found out. So it'll be interesting

1656
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 1: to see what happens over time. They just they had

1657
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: a case in Colorado again because it's the wild West

1658
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:38,759
Speaker 1: of no licensing, that the mother daughter team funeral director

1659
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 1: team were selling body parts and they finally got found

1660
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,280
Speaker 1: out and it took a long time before they went

1661
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: to trial and they were given their sentence and everything,

1662
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 1: but because they had been shipping across the country and

1663
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: used the mail, it became a federal offense. So they

1664
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,240
Speaker 1: went after them harder because of the federal so sometimes

1665
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 1: they have to step back, figure out what way to

1666
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 1: penalize someone the most, and then go after them because

1667
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 1: it's you know, I'm one of those. Well they're not

1668
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:13,800
Speaker 1: guilty till they're found guilty. Well, there's there's no doubt

1669
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 1: in my mind these people are guilty. They've basically they're

1670
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 1: the only ones, and they've posted text messages that the

1671
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: husband and wife said to each other like I hope

1672
01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: we don't get found out and I want to protect

1673
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 1: us if we do, and because we're gonna go down

1674
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: forever and blah blah blah, back and forth, and it's like, what.

1675
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 2: It is a crazy what are people? Yeah? And I

1676
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 2: think there's more. There's a lot more that's gonna come

1677
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:37,080
Speaker 2: out about it, because you have to sit there and

1678
01:29:37,120 --> 01:29:42,479
Speaker 2: say like like what, I don't know. I keep and

1679
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:44,759
Speaker 2: I don't work, like I don't work in your field,

1680
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 2: so I don't know exactly what the process is. But

1681
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:50,840
Speaker 2: I keep thinking like, Okay, maybe you needed to pay

1682
01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 2: a bill and you took the money and you're like

1683
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to take that person like next week to

1684
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:59,559
Speaker 2: bring them and nobody's gonna find out and then, But

1685
01:29:59,640 --> 01:30:02,599
Speaker 2: then when you think of the sheer volume of almost

1686
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,720
Speaker 2: two hundred people then and just what happens after you

1687
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 2: have people stacked on I have a visual of what

1688
01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 2: this looks like.

1689
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: Now you're good. Yeah, And I just.

1690
01:30:13,320 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 2: Honestly like, if that was my dad or my mom

1691
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 2: or something, I just don't even want to know that

1692
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 2: that happened, because all I would think about the rest

1693
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:22,640
Speaker 2: of my life is my mom at the bottom of

1694
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: some pile of like I said in my podcast, necrotic slop,

1695
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: just like, oh, it would be terrible, Oh my god,

1696
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 2: and just think, like you don't want to think about that.

1697
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:35,519
Speaker 2: And then you have these ashes at your house that

1698
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:38,880
Speaker 2: you think are your family member, and it's like they

1699
01:30:38,960 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 2: also said they found animal remains there, so maybe they

1700
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 2: were sending cremated animals to them or something I don't

1701
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: even know could be.

1702
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know they've been testing.

1703
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 2: You can't DNA test cremated or remains, it's physically impossible.

1704
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 2: But you can test to see if it's you know,

1705
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:59,200
Speaker 2: something else human, to see if it's concrete, or you

1706
01:30:59,240 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 2: can test see if it's kitty litter or you know,

1707
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:03,479
Speaker 2: these are things that.

1708
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,759
Speaker 1: They do look like cremated remains. Kitty litter is about

1709
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: the most closest resembling from what I've seen to cremated remains.

1710
01:31:12,439 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 1: It's dusty, it's kind of that color. It's got little

1711
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:18,680
Speaker 1: granules in it, which would be like the bone particles.

1712
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:21,439
Speaker 1: So someone might when they don't have a clue as

1713
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:25,080
Speaker 1: to what cremated remains look like, may never question it.

1714
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:26,599
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people who never even open

1715
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:28,760
Speaker 1: that box. You hand them the box, they take it home,

1716
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:29,600
Speaker 1: they never open it.

1717
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like that's that's what we've been talking about my

1718
01:31:33,160 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 2: family because like my my husband's mom was cremated in

1719
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,000
Speaker 2: a box, and he's like, I'm not open in that box,

1720
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:42,560
Speaker 2: Like he won't, Like I want to go peek in

1721
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,559
Speaker 2: it and see what it looks like, but he's just like,

1722
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 2: I'm not opening it. And then I was talking to

1723
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 2: my daughter about it too, and she's like, yeah, like

1724
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 2: we were talking about that scene and Meet the Parents.

1725
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw that movie when yeah,

1726
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: when they're urn falls down and it looks like like

1727
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 2: cigarette almost are like something you would see at the

1728
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,200
Speaker 2: bottom of a fire. Like people just think ashes are

1729
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 2: ashy looking and they don't know that it's a little

1730
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,479
Speaker 2: chunky and yeah, yeah, like why would you question it? Yeah,

1731
01:32:12,520 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's so messed up. Yeah, it's the

1732
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: whole thing is just hard to I think, wrap your

1733
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:21,679
Speaker 2: mind around.

1734
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: Like if it was a couple bodies and it was

1735
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 1: you know, just cremation, I could see monetarily or you

1736
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:29,679
Speaker 1: know some things.

1737
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:33,559
Speaker 2: I could maybe come up with reasoning. It's not good reasoning,

1738
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 2: but come up with some reasoning. But the way this

1739
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,680
Speaker 2: story is going and it's kind of playing out, it

1740
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: makes absolutely no sense none.

1741
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,000
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like monetary. Even if you're bearing caskets

1742
01:32:46,040 --> 01:32:48,960
Speaker 1: that are empty or caskets that have the wrong body

1743
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: in them, how is that benefiting you. It just there's

1744
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: a lot of illogical action in it that's beyond just

1745
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,200
Speaker 1: going for money or something. It just makes no sense.

1746
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,920
Speaker 2: So these so all of these bodies, do you think

1747
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 2: that I guess they all had to go to like

1748
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:11,720
Speaker 2: the medical examiner's office and get examined.

1749
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,960
Speaker 1: They did. They all went, and they went They did

1750
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,759
Speaker 1: it very quickly. I have to give them a huge credit.

1751
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: We were looking at the timeline one day when Faith

1752
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 1: and I were doing a video together about this and

1753
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 1: I mean it was just in it within like two

1754
01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:28,360
Speaker 1: weeks or something, or three weeks at most, Like it

1755
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:32,400
Speaker 1: was super fast that they removed all the bodies they

1756
01:33:32,439 --> 01:33:36,759
Speaker 1: went through and were able to identify. I am guessing

1757
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 1: there was probably ankle tags or bracelets on some of

1758
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: them were in body bags that had tags that would

1759
01:33:44,320 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 1: help them to identify, because if you think of where

1760
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:52,400
Speaker 1: we removed deceased from hospitals medical examiner's offices, they are

1761
01:33:52,439 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 1: all tagged and labeled when we receive them. So I

1762
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 1: would imagine some of them would have a quicker identification

1763
01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 1: because of those things. But you would have to do

1764
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 1: some DNA testing, I would think as well, because visually

1765
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:05,400
Speaker 1: you wouldn't.

1766
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 2: Be able to identify I imagine any of them.

1767
01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: Or at least the vast pace.

1768
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can't even I mean, you can't even

1769
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 2: really trust that if it does have a bracelet or

1770
01:34:16,080 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 2: a tag on it, that that's the person that's in

1771
01:34:18,160 --> 01:34:20,680
Speaker 2: the bag kind of thing, right, Like, especially if just

1772
01:34:20,760 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 2: the bag was labeled, and I mean, I guess it

1773
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 2: would help sort things out. But I guess they're also

1774
01:34:26,240 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 2: looking at the bodies to see because you were talking

1775
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:30,720
Speaker 2: about the other funeral home with the body parts situation,

1776
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 2: like I guess you're looking at these bodies to make

1777
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 2: sure that they're not missing like major like an arm

1778
01:34:37,160 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 2: or bone or a heart or something like that that

1779
01:34:39,360 --> 01:34:41,559
Speaker 2: was taken out to None of that.

1780
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: Has come out, but that, I mean, it could be

1781
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: a part of this. It would maybe explain why it

1782
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: would make more sense at least somebody was married and

1783
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 1: somebody wasn't or something or Yeah, I'm not sure, so

1784
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,639
Speaker 1: that maybe another another part to the puzzle that comes

1785
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:02,639
Speaker 1: out eventually that would make more sense monetarily for selling

1786
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:07,800
Speaker 1: parts and organs that they were getting paid for it,

1787
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:10,880
Speaker 1: it would make more sense. But yeah, there's so much

1788
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: to this that I think has not even been touched

1789
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to dive into. And they

1790
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 1: are doing such a huge investigation on it's it's unbelievable.

1791
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 2: So their whole marketing thing, because it seems like they

1792
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 2: had like a decent volume of people, was just like,

1793
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: what is it that people are attracted to a green

1794
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:38,880
Speaker 2: burial as opposed to a traditional one.

1795
01:35:39,360 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: It's just more natural, there's no vault, there's no embalming.

1796
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: If it is, it's natural invalming fluids. There are green

1797
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:50,880
Speaker 1: invalming fluids. People like that, Oh, I'm gonna go back

1798
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 1: to nature and I'm not gonna be in a box

1799
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:55,840
Speaker 1: getting soupy or drying out.

1800
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm just going to regenerate back to nature.

1801
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:01,120
Speaker 1: So people do like that, we get asked for. Is

1802
01:36:01,120 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 1: that a lot where people just want to become a tree?

1803
01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's such a phrase now that people just

1804
01:36:07,080 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: want to be a tree, whether they're cremated or not,

1805
01:36:09,439 --> 01:36:13,759
Speaker 1: which is ironic with cremation because cremation has a huge

1806
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:18,800
Speaker 1: environmental footprint just like burial, the traditional burial does. So

1807
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: why make this huge environmental footprint with cremation and then

1808
01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:25,599
Speaker 1: feel like it's great to then be a tree? Like

1809
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of counterproductive. Yeah, people love the natural thought,

1810
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:35,360
Speaker 1: They love just going back to nature in an organic way,

1811
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: So people are drawn to that. So I can see

1812
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:43,599
Speaker 1: why as a funeral home based strictly around that type

1813
01:36:43,600 --> 01:36:45,439
Speaker 1: of a burial, and then you don't have to have

1814
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:47,960
Speaker 1: an ebomer on staff. Nobody has to be trained as

1815
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,719
Speaker 1: an e boomer. All you're doing is cremating and naturally

1816
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:54,840
Speaker 1: burying people, so you don't have to do anything preparation wise,

1817
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: So it makes your staff a lot better in terms

1818
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: of especially in Colorado, where you don't have to be licensed,

1819
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 1: you don't have to have someone that's at all knowledgeable

1820
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: about embalming specifically.

1821
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 2: But every time you guys do a cremation, I mean,

1822
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: you wouldn't, Like if it was a regular cremation, Like

1823
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 2: my dad died and I was like, I want him

1824
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 2: to get cremated, you wouldn't embalm him first, right.

1825
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: No, Most funeral homes only require embalming if there's a

1826
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:29,680
Speaker 1: public viewing. And so if it's a simple cremation or

1827
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: you just have like a family simple view time with

1828
01:37:33,160 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: a few people prior to cremation.

1829
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 2: You wouldn't need embalming unless there was an extended period

1830
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:40,639
Speaker 2: of time in your state required it for some reason.

1831
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 2: So then most cremations are then like a return to nature. Well,

1832
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 2: aside from what you're saying.

1833
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, the gas and the emissions and all of that

1834
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: is what's detrimental to the environment because of it, but

1835
01:37:55,960 --> 01:37:59,439
Speaker 1: the body is being reduced to the most basic organic

1836
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:01,240
Speaker 1: components of your body.

1837
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:06,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what advice would you have for just everyday

1838
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:09,880
Speaker 2: people that like for for us, for example, we have

1839
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 2: with my grandmom and grandpublic we kind of had like

1840
01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:16,479
Speaker 2: a like a family funeral home that we trust. And

1841
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,439
Speaker 2: my husband's also friends with a firefighter's family that owns

1842
01:38:20,439 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 2: a funeral home around here. So if we ever had like,

1843
01:38:23,080 --> 01:38:26,680
Speaker 2: we know where to go. But what what advice do

1844
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:29,439
Speaker 2: you have to people? Because obviously, like all these people

1845
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:32,200
Speaker 2: that went to this of return to nature funeral home

1846
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 2: trusted them, And how do you how do you find

1847
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,920
Speaker 2: something if you don't, if you don't really know about

1848
01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 2: them like that?

1849
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 3: Right?

1850
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: Well, And that's one thing that I talk about I

1851
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: think a lot on my videos is do your due

1852
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:50,160
Speaker 1: diligence visit the location if they have both locations, asked

1853
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,599
Speaker 1: to visit both locations. If they won't let you into

1854
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:56,840
Speaker 1: one location, why if you go visit there? How do

1855
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:59,120
Speaker 1: you feel in your gut? Do you ask for a

1856
01:38:59,120 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: price list and they refuse to give you one unless

1857
01:39:01,640 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 1: you sit down with them, that's illegal. If you asked

1858
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: to see this, that or the other and they won't,

1859
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 1: then there's got to be reason. So look for the

1860
01:39:10,960 --> 01:39:15,240
Speaker 1: red slags. Don't go in anticipating that someone's bad, but

1861
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 1: be open to recognizing red flags. And if your gut

1862
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:22,920
Speaker 1: tells you something's off, it typically is going to be

1863
01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: if you're in a state that has licensure, which is

1864
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:30,600
Speaker 1: every state but Colorado. Right now they're changing that in Colorado.

1865
01:39:31,360 --> 01:39:34,280
Speaker 1: You can get on the website on get Online and

1866
01:39:34,360 --> 01:39:38,719
Speaker 1: type in like Michigan mor Choy science license look up.

1867
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:42,160
Speaker 1: You can pull up. You can type in a business's

1868
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: name and you can look to see if they have

1869
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 1: a license. You can see if it's in good standing.

1870
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,840
Speaker 1: You can see how long they've had it. This is

1871
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: going to tell you a lot. You can look up

1872
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:53,880
Speaker 1: the funeral director and look up their license and see

1873
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: if they actually are a licensed funeral director. Reading reviews

1874
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:00,800
Speaker 1: online is not always great because anybody can leave a

1875
01:40:00,840 --> 01:40:03,840
Speaker 1: review about anything and it can be fictitious or not,

1876
01:40:04,040 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: so that's not always good. But if you go and

1877
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 1: you look for a company and they have an extensive

1878
01:40:11,200 --> 01:40:14,920
Speaker 1: number of bad reviews and they're all kind of keep

1879
01:40:14,960 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 1: saying the same thing at different time points. They're not

1880
01:40:18,479 --> 01:40:22,040
Speaker 1: all like on the same day, from same family or something,

1881
01:40:22,800 --> 01:40:25,519
Speaker 1: then there might be something going on. So just look

1882
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: for red flags that might exist. Don't make up red flags,

1883
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 1: but you're going to know in your gut with how

1884
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 1: someone responds to you. The big though, ask for a

1885
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: price list.

1886
01:40:36,240 --> 01:40:37,959
Speaker 2: If they don't give it to you, that's illegal.

1887
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:42,720
Speaker 1: Ask to kind of see the facilities if they want,

1888
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,720
Speaker 1: not the preparation room because you can't go in there.

1889
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:50,719
Speaker 1: But if they won't show you around, why So there's

1890
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:55,200
Speaker 1: things could be big red flags that are simple requests,

1891
01:40:55,240 --> 01:40:57,960
Speaker 1: and if they don't want to participate in them with you,

1892
01:40:58,040 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 1: there could be a problem. If burying your loved one

1893
01:41:02,360 --> 01:41:06,479
Speaker 1: or cremating them, you can go to the crematory. You

1894
01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,799
Speaker 1: can witness the cremation happen. You can push the button.

1895
01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:13,280
Speaker 1: You can view them at the funeral home and follow

1896
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:16,799
Speaker 1: them to the creamatory. In some states you cannot open

1897
01:41:16,840 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 1: the box at the crematory, so you may not be

1898
01:41:19,040 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 1: able to view at the crematory right before the cremation,

1899
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,200
Speaker 1: so that might always not always be a thing. But

1900
01:41:24,280 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 1: you can see them at the funeral home, follow them

1901
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,680
Speaker 1: to the crematory, watch.

1902
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 2: That box, go into the cremator, and you can sit

1903
01:41:32,240 --> 01:41:34,719
Speaker 2: there the whole time and then take your cremeator remains home.

1904
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: If you want to be one hundred and ten percent

1905
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: sure be there through the whole process. These are things

1906
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:42,240
Speaker 1: that are allowed. They may charge more for them because

1907
01:41:42,240 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: they have to function their whole day around that, which

1908
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,960
Speaker 1: hinders the number of cremations the crematory can do that

1909
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 1: day and such. So there may be a charge, but

1910
01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 1: you can do this. You can see them before they

1911
01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 1: go on the ground and ensure that it's your loved one.

1912
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 1: So if you have a question, ask, because you are

1913
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: allowed to do all these things.

1914
01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's really good advice. And I didn't. I

1915
01:42:05,200 --> 01:42:07,879
Speaker 2: didn't realize that you could do that, and that's yeah,

1916
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 2: like I would probably do that now because I because

1917
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 2: I'd be so scared.

1918
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:17,559
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's good to follow through and do due diligences.

1919
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: I've been preaching that to my students. That's one of

1920
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,920
Speaker 1: our words in our class, it's due diligence.

1921
01:42:23,280 --> 01:42:26,680
Speaker 2: So you have all this stuff going on, do the YouTube,

1922
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:31,320
Speaker 2: you're a wife, you're in a relationship, you teach, and

1923
01:42:31,360 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 2: you have a job, Like are you Before we wrap up,

1924
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,559
Speaker 2: I just wanted to see if you were working on

1925
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:37,600
Speaker 2: anything else.

1926
01:42:37,479 --> 01:42:42,160
Speaker 1: Or always I have so many I'm looking up at

1927
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:45,320
Speaker 1: my whiteboard above my desk that has like things to

1928
01:42:45,400 --> 01:42:50,599
Speaker 1: work on. For the year, we started a series called

1929
01:42:50,800 --> 01:42:53,559
Speaker 1: six feet under Exzuomed so Faith, who I've been talking

1930
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:57,000
Speaker 1: about from Colorado, and I have been rewatching the six

1931
01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: feet Under series and as a rewatcher kind of thing,

1932
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,160
Speaker 1: so we've been like dissecting it as funeral directors watching it.

1933
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:08,519
Speaker 1: So that's been fun. But that's seventy episodes of a

1934
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:11,559
Speaker 1: show we have to watch and then film about it,

1935
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,320
Speaker 1: and so it takes time.

1936
01:43:13,479 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 2: But I have three books started. I would like to

1937
01:43:16,200 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 2: work on them.

1938
01:43:17,040 --> 01:43:19,920
Speaker 1: They've been like there and I never sit down and

1939
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 1: have just time where I connect with them and just

1940
01:43:24,439 --> 01:43:26,400
Speaker 1: spill into them. I would love to work on these

1941
01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 1: books and at some point get one of them done,

1942
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: and whether anybody reads it or not, I don't know,

1943
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:35,360
Speaker 1: but at least it'll be done and it'll have feel

1944
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 1: successful that I completed it. I just want to like

1945
01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:41,240
Speaker 1: skirt off to a cabin in the woods for a

1946
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 1: week and just drink wine and write. And I think

1947
01:43:44,520 --> 01:43:48,439
Speaker 1: it was Ernest Hemingway said, write drunk, edit sober, and

1948
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I always think about that because I always, you know,

1949
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: you get great ideas. I feel like one glass of

1950
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:54,640
Speaker 1: wine and I'll be like, oh my gosh, I'd like,

1951
01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:56,400
Speaker 1: oh I want to do this that or the other,

1952
01:43:56,520 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, there's all these things I

1953
01:44:00,240 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: like to do. There's outside of this.

1954
01:44:02,360 --> 01:44:05,160
Speaker 2: I'd like to get rental properties, and I have a

1955
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:07,760
Speaker 2: product I want to like bring to market, and like

1956
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:09,639
Speaker 2: all these little things, but it all takes time.

1957
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:12,759
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, after everything else,

1958
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:16,639
Speaker 1: I can either be exhausted by losing two or three

1959
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:19,439
Speaker 1: more hours of sleep, or I can treat myself but

1960
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 1: and get good sleep for being a better version of

1961
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,360
Speaker 1: myself the next day. So it's hard. It's hard to

1962
01:44:26,400 --> 01:44:29,320
Speaker 1: be selfish with my time and work on something just

1963
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:32,120
Speaker 1: that I want to work on when there's so many

1964
01:44:32,120 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 1: people around me I want to pour into and things

1965
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 1: I want to do, and I don't want everything I

1966
01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:41,760
Speaker 1: do to be focused around my career, and sometimes I've wanted.

1967
01:44:41,760 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: It's hard on being Carrie, the person and the mom

1968
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,720
Speaker 1: and the girlfriend and the daughter and the sister and

1969
01:44:50,520 --> 01:44:53,560
Speaker 1: that version of me and not just all be about

1970
01:44:54,160 --> 01:44:56,599
Speaker 1: death care and carry the mortician and everything. I think

1971
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:59,519
Speaker 1: that's hard because we see people at the funeral home

1972
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,839
Speaker 1: and and you know, they might have been a veteran

1973
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,040
Speaker 1: that was four years of their life back in you know,

1974
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:10,280
Speaker 1: nineteen forty two, and their whole funeral is around, you know,

1975
01:45:10,360 --> 01:45:13,680
Speaker 1: circled around them being a veteran, and I'm like, what

1976
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:16,799
Speaker 1: about the rest of their life? That was four years?

1977
01:45:17,040 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: Yes they served, and yes that was important, but what

1978
01:45:20,439 --> 01:45:24,400
Speaker 1: about every other part of their life? And it's like

1979
01:45:24,479 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: people fixate on a career or one habby or one

1980
01:45:28,320 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: thing rather than a person as a whole. So that

1981
01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: part of being a funeral director has resonated with me

1982
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,240
Speaker 1: more in the last couple of years as I've become

1983
01:45:36,280 --> 01:45:41,280
Speaker 1: more of Carrie the mortician, trying to really try and

1984
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:45,519
Speaker 1: stay grounded as carry the person. And it's hard. I

1985
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: think it's really hard.

1986
01:45:47,280 --> 01:45:50,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is hard. I completely can relate

1987
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 2: with you. It's funny that you were just talking about

1988
01:45:52,400 --> 01:45:55,760
Speaker 2: Hemingway because we just over Christmas time, we just drove

1989
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,240
Speaker 2: down to his house in Key West.

1990
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:58,080
Speaker 1: Oh, it's cool.

1991
01:45:58,600 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 2: It was really cool. But I said as soon as

1992
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,920
Speaker 2: we left, I said to my husband, like, isn't it

1993
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:06,559
Speaker 2: kind of weird that this guy only lived here like

1994
01:46:06,680 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 2: seven years? And this is like this whole thing is

1995
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 2: like his house, And it's like, that wasn't what I

1996
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 2: would really consider to be his house. He just his

1997
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:18,760
Speaker 2: his wife's family bought it and he lived there and

1998
01:46:18,800 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: he divorced his wife and moved out and she stayed

1999
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,760
Speaker 2: there with the kids. But like, that's not really his house.

2000
01:46:24,760 --> 01:46:26,759
Speaker 2: It was only such a short period of his life,

2001
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,640
Speaker 2: you know, like I would consider and maybe like his

2002
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 2: house in Cuba is like his house he was there

2003
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 2: the longest. And yeah, it's just it's just funny how

2004
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:39,040
Speaker 2: people get hooked on like these few small years of

2005
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 2: someone's life and then describe them when life is so

2006
01:46:42,520 --> 01:46:45,920
Speaker 2: like long, and you know, people do so many other things.

2007
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:48,720
Speaker 1: Well that's yeah, right in obituary, you sit down with

2008
01:46:48,760 --> 01:46:51,360
Speaker 1: someone who lost their mom, who's one hundred and four

2009
01:46:51,400 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 1: and how do you in you know, one paragraph, sum

2010
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:59,240
Speaker 1: up one hundred and four years, and always the focus

2011
01:46:59,320 --> 01:47:01,439
Speaker 1: is on the last few years of their life. Well,

2012
01:47:01,439 --> 01:47:05,599
Speaker 1: they liked knitting in dingo and watching prices, right, it's like, well,

2013
01:47:06,120 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: like doing that when they were forty.

2014
01:47:08,720 --> 01:47:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because what was their personality?

2015
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 1: Then the children didn't know their parents when they were

2016
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,080
Speaker 1: forty and so that's the hard part is because you're

2017
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,720
Speaker 1: sitting with people that can't reflect on the part of

2018
01:47:20,760 --> 01:47:24,880
Speaker 1: their parents' life often that they didn't know about, and

2019
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,839
Speaker 1: so they do they focus on the end, the grandma phase,

2020
01:47:28,439 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: the elderly person phase, and that's who a person becomes.

2021
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,160
Speaker 1: And it's like, oh, dang, I kind of want to

2022
01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:40,080
Speaker 1: imprint more these versions of this part of my life

2023
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,880
Speaker 1: rather than who I'm going to be in hopefully forty

2024
01:47:43,960 --> 01:47:47,519
Speaker 1: years kind of thing. You know, it's interest in forty years.

2025
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,760
Speaker 1: Gosh knows what any of this is going to be, like,

2026
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:54,880
Speaker 1: you know, the funeral business, online, social media. Goodness, who

2027
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: knows what it'll look like.

2028
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't want I don't even know what

2029
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 2: to think about that because you just couldn't even have

2030
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: predicted this, right, It's I I try to tell the

2031
01:48:04,840 --> 01:48:08,679
Speaker 2: kids all the time, like when we when we were kids,

2032
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 2: like we just turned on the TV and whatever was

2033
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:13,080
Speaker 2: on was on, Like we couldn't just pick what we

2034
01:48:13,160 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 2: wanted to watch. And remember how long it used to

2035
01:48:16,479 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 2: take for a movie to get out of the theater

2036
01:48:18,520 --> 01:48:21,759
Speaker 2: and get on VHS. Even like they just don't They'll

2037
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:25,680
Speaker 2: just never understand, and I think it takes away a

2038
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 2: part of the enjoyment of life, to be honest with you,

2039
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:32,040
Speaker 2: Like we brought them the Disney World and they weren't

2040
01:48:32,080 --> 01:48:34,800
Speaker 2: like completely mind blown by it like we were when

2041
01:48:34,840 --> 01:48:37,960
Speaker 2: we were kids. And I just think it's like, well,

2042
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:40,120
Speaker 2: they have this device and they could see whatever they want.

2043
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:43,559
Speaker 2: And it's like them going through the haunted mansion and

2044
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 2: seeing this special effect isn't mind blowing to them because

2045
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 2: they they have they have an iPad, you know, like

2046
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:50,160
Speaker 2: well when they can.

2047
01:48:50,040 --> 01:48:53,639
Speaker 1: Watch twenty videos on YouTube about people going through it

2048
01:48:54,360 --> 01:48:57,559
Speaker 1: already ahead of time, so none of that as surprise almost.

2049
01:48:58,240 --> 01:49:01,640
Speaker 1: It's talking about that. We watched Whole Alone at Christmas

2050
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 1: time and it got done, and I was like, did

2051
01:49:04,320 --> 01:49:06,640
Speaker 1: you guys notice what wasn't in that movie? And what

2052
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:07,960
Speaker 1: was a challenge for them?

2053
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:09,640
Speaker 2: And they were like what? And I was like they

2054
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:12,120
Speaker 2: couldn't call him and they're like.

2055
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was There was no cell phone and I

2056
01:49:16,280 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 1: was like, right, there's no cell phone. There was no

2057
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:22,240
Speaker 1: way for mom to call from Paris just to check

2058
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:24,760
Speaker 1: on him because he had he was, you know, eight

2059
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 1: and had a cell phone sitting at home. They had

2060
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:30,200
Speaker 1: to use a landline and it was down and they're like,

2061
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:33,360
Speaker 1: how would you even how would you even check on anybody?

2062
01:49:33,400 --> 01:49:35,680
Speaker 1: What would you do? What would you And I'm like

2063
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:38,439
Speaker 1: that's just what you did. You just believed people would

2064
01:49:38,439 --> 01:49:41,400
Speaker 1: be okay and you left not.

2065
01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 2: Yet And it was actually it was awesome because you

2066
01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:47,559
Speaker 2: didn't have to. Like if someone called your house and

2067
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:49,559
Speaker 2: you just didn't answer the phone, it was like they

2068
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:51,760
Speaker 2: just you don't have to talk to this person this day,

2069
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:56,320
Speaker 2: and like it's exhaustome now or.

2070
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: Pearents at work they're constantly on their phone talking to

2071
01:49:59,120 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 1: their kids, and it's like, you know what, back in

2072
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,639
Speaker 1: the day, if I needed my mom, I could call

2073
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:09,439
Speaker 1: her office and someone could call the funeral home and say, hey,

2074
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 1: my mom, I need to talk to my mom. I

2075
01:50:11,479 --> 01:50:15,040
Speaker 1: have an emergency. Great talk to them. We don't have

2076
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,519
Speaker 1: to snapchat your kid all day while you're working. You're working, like,

2077
01:50:18,760 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 1: let's do work. We don't have to do that. Just

2078
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: because it's accessible doesn't mean we have to. And that's

2079
01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:27,760
Speaker 1: such a different it's such a different change in our

2080
01:50:28,160 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 1: society with working and with doing things. This distraction of

2081
01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:34,639
Speaker 1: this stuff.

2082
01:50:34,760 --> 01:50:39,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can't even imagine, Like, well, the schools

2083
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:42,080
Speaker 2: let the kids have them, which just blows my mind.

2084
01:50:42,560 --> 01:50:45,760
Speaker 2: I thought, remember you were talking about pagers earlier, like

2085
01:50:46,240 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 2: if you would bring a pager to school and the

2086
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:50,719
Speaker 2: teacher saw, they would take it for like the rest

2087
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,519
Speaker 2: of the year or something crazy. Yeah, And someone that

2088
01:50:54,600 --> 01:50:56,759
Speaker 2: I know had a kid that was in high school recently,

2089
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:58,559
Speaker 2: is like, yeah, my kid FaceTime me all the time,

2090
01:50:58,600 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 2: like in the middle class, like the teacher in the

2091
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:03,559
Speaker 2: background talking and she's like calling on FaceTime, And I

2092
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:06,479
Speaker 2: just I can't even believe that they allow it. I

2093
01:51:06,520 --> 01:51:07,439
Speaker 2: just can't believe it.

2094
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:11,320
Speaker 1: Well, because my mom would have never stormed up in

2095
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:15,080
Speaker 1: that school and threw a fit because someone took my pager.

2096
01:51:15,400 --> 01:51:18,040
Speaker 1: I didn't have a pager, but that you know where

2097
01:51:18,120 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: now the parents will storm up in the school and

2098
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:23,360
Speaker 1: throw an ever loving fit because you took their kid's

2099
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:26,840
Speaker 1: phone because they couldn't reach out to their kid any

2100
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:28,920
Speaker 1: minute of the day that they wanted to reach out

2101
01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: to them. And it's like they're in school, just they're

2102
01:51:31,320 --> 01:51:34,719
Speaker 1: in school, Like what part of it is. I don't understand.

2103
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:37,040
Speaker 1: My mind is not there. And maybe because I am older,

2104
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:40,799
Speaker 1: and you know, I go to meet some of the kids'

2105
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:47,720
Speaker 1: parents and they're you know, twenty five, twenty six, and

2106
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:51,600
Speaker 1: I'm over here forty five with a completely different mindset.

2107
01:51:51,720 --> 01:51:55,559
Speaker 1: You know. It's just a different world than some of

2108
01:51:55,600 --> 01:51:57,920
Speaker 1: the parents of the kids that my kids are friends

2109
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:02,000
Speaker 1: with grew up in completely plush. Here's difference sort of thing,

2110
01:52:02,840 --> 01:52:06,200
Speaker 1: which is crazy like their friends' parents could be my children.

2111
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:10,880
Speaker 2: Like, so that happened. I had my daughter when I

2112
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 2: was in high school and my mom was thirty eight

2113
01:52:13,400 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 2: years old. So when I was sending my daughter to school,

2114
01:52:17,600 --> 01:52:21,760
Speaker 2: everyone thought she was my kid's mom, and she was

2115
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,599
Speaker 2: just like an older mom, like you know. And then

2116
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,679
Speaker 2: then I had my two younger kids. When my daughter

2117
01:52:28,760 --> 01:52:32,639
Speaker 2: was eighteen, I had my middle child, and then now

2118
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:35,559
Speaker 2: I'm like the older mom. It's like this, It's like

2119
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:37,599
Speaker 2: so funny. I was like the youngest mom. Now I'm

2120
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:38,240
Speaker 2: the oldest mom.

2121
01:52:39,479 --> 01:52:41,960
Speaker 1: Well, we always said, my ex husband and I, you know,

2122
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:44,360
Speaker 1: there was pros to having kids really young, and there's

2123
01:52:44,360 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 1: pros to having them older. And you know, it is

2124
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,479
Speaker 1: what it is. You have them when life gives them

2125
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:53,200
Speaker 1: to you, and you kind of roll with it. But

2126
01:52:53,439 --> 01:52:57,840
Speaker 1: it's definitely differences with the parents that are younger and

2127
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,080
Speaker 1: older and not saying ones good are the you know

2128
01:53:00,200 --> 01:53:03,040
Speaker 1: better or not, but it's very different. I think with

2129
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,080
Speaker 1: some of that part of it, the cell phones and

2130
01:53:06,120 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 1: all of that.

2131
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 2: I just yeah, cause like I'm like, me and my

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Speaker 2: husband are just like you guys aren't getting like they

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Speaker 2: have iPads whatever. You're not getting like an actual phone

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Speaker 2: where you can get social media like forever. Honestly, I'm

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Speaker 2: just at that point that maybe when you start college

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Speaker 2: that will be your college present. But my husband's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm forty four. My husband's forty eight, right, and so

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Speaker 2: we're like old school. I'm like, I didn't even get

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Speaker 2: a phone until I was twenty years old, and it

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Speaker 2: was like a flip phone thing. So we're old school like.

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Speaker 1: That exact or like you have but three times to

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Speaker 1: try and like type anything.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, and just the going on the

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Speaker 2: internet and trying to when I finally started using the internet,

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Speaker 2: it would be like my mom would get a phone call,

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Speaker 2: it would kick me off the internet. Like, but I

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Speaker 2: just I'm just all the studies you're about, especially girls

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Speaker 2: being on social media and stuff as teenagers, I'm just like, no, thanks,

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Speaker 2: And I feel like older parents are more are are

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Speaker 2: more on board with that, Like you we survived and

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Speaker 2: made it to twenty years old without that thing, and

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Speaker 2: you can too. So hopefully we.

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Speaker 1: Went up the hill, you know, a few miles each

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Speaker 1: way uphill both ways, and like it's funny how we

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Speaker 1: you do become your grandparents in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you say, you know the day I got

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Speaker 1: to say because I said so, I'm like, gosh, that's

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Speaker 1: the most powerful, amazing for ever and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: I get to use it.

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Speaker 2: It's so funny because we had we had a snowstorm

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Speaker 2: yesterday which I wouldn't even consider it was. It was

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Speaker 2: like three inches I'm not lying. And the whole world

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Speaker 2: around here shut down with the like school's been delayed

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Speaker 2: an hour every day and they and they were off

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Speaker 2: and the and the ballet class closed and all this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And we're just like, people are such pussies anymore. Like

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Speaker 2: we used to walk it. We never got off school

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Speaker 2: unless it like a blizzard.

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Speaker 3: Nope.

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Speaker 1: We just don't know how to handle it anymore. Like

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Speaker 1: we've been I think we've had one day since Christmas break,

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Speaker 1: and we've been at every other because it's so cold here.

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Speaker 1: They can't stand out bus stops and stuff. Like I

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Speaker 1: get it, but should get these kids back in school,

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Speaker 1: like they need to be in school. Coming off the

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Speaker 1: Christmas break and then now being home for the weather

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Speaker 1: and stuff, it's like, oh, get back go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know when you're on vacation too, it's

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Speaker 2: like it takes you a minute to get back in

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Speaker 2: the mindset of going back to work. It's the same

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Speaker 2: thing with kids. They need to be going all the time.

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Speaker 2: Like that Christmas break is too long in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this one seemed exceptionally longer this year, just where

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Speaker 1: Christmas fell and stuff. I was like, are we done yet?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Shoot, we got another week? Like what's going on? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I always say, like, you know that the Perry Como's song,

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Speaker 2: that's like mom and dad could hardly wait for school

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Speaker 2: to start again. It's like it's like it's been happening forever, right,

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Speaker 2: like people were just you're like sick o canable now?

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Speaker 1: It's so relatable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Well, thanks so much for being here today.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome to meet you, and I think you

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Speaker 2: told everyone some really awesome stuff that they probably never

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Speaker 2: heard before and hopefully they'll go and follow you on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, it was awesome.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for listening to mother nos death. As a reminder,

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Speaker 2: my training is as a pathologist's assistant. I have a

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Speaker 2: master's level education and specialize in anatomy and pathology education.

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