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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Everson Walls, and Bill Jones. I love the
Speaker 1: way Mickey, even though he's hard at work on his
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Speaker 1: out there, his fan out the fan, that one fan,
Speaker 1: the vast majority. You're listening via audio later. But that's
Speaker 1: okaytly exactly, And I just wanted to acknowledge the act
Speaker 1: that Mickey acknowledges with a visual salute. When I joined
Speaker 1: this team, I didn't realize that Mick was the superstar.
Speaker 1: You're quickly discovering that. He just told you a lot
Speaker 1: about him. Yeah, yeah, a lot of Twitter told me
Speaker 1: a lot about him too. Oh yeah, Twitter, man? He
Speaker 1: never some how active are you on Twitter? I'm okay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not talking about your posting, stuffy, but
Speaker 1: just but just looking at stuff. Look all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you don't have time come on I'm
Speaker 1: about to be sixty years old about a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't know. Sometime it's like it's
Speaker 1: like old people shouldn't do certain things. Old people shouldn't
Speaker 1: tweet you guys aren't old selfies I heard were like
Speaker 1: not good for old people. It's like that's a taboo thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: could you see me and be all like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see that. Actually, yeah, maybe we should
Speaker 1: do that post all the time doing Okay, we'll do
Speaker 1: all right. We got a lot to get too. On
Speaker 1: a Tuesday morning. Got a tour group coming through right now, Combe,
Speaker 1: why don't you turn around and wave the crowd that
Speaker 1: they can hear us out there? There? You go off?
Speaker 1: You see that? I tell you, I get that all
Speaker 1: the time. Eagles fan coming through everything you got green on?
Speaker 1: You got green one? Okay, harm green. It's also Eagles
Speaker 1: week here right, Yeah? So all right, Jerry was on
Speaker 1: the radio this morning. Anybody listened to Jerry on the radio.
Speaker 1: The mood was he in good? A good mood, better
Speaker 1: mood than the last three weeks for sure? All of us? Right,
Speaker 1: anyhow did we did we want him in a good mood?
Speaker 1: We don't we want him to be coming on. Well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't in a good mood after the Patriots game,
Speaker 1: and that week didn't go so well. Okay, so but
Speaker 1: it was a hit on radio, Yes it was, but
Speaker 1: that was after the Bears after game. Yeah, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. Ever, the cryptic messages when was that after?
Speaker 1: What game was that at? The cryptic message the coach
Speaker 1: Garrett will be coaching? Oh in the NFL? That man
Speaker 1: been after I think that was after Thanksgiving. The one
Speaker 1: after the Patriots was about the special teams. Okay, Um,
Speaker 1: we took care of that done, sick took a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, but got a new kicker in here. So
Speaker 1: so what was a positive tone today? Um? What was
Speaker 1: it about? Got? There were so many things. I don't
Speaker 1: know where do I start. Did you listen? Take notes?
Speaker 1: I just kind of got the vibe of it. And uh,
Speaker 1: he did crack one joke okay about you know, watching
Speaker 1: what he says. Otherwise he gets cut off on the
Speaker 1: on the radio. I explained to him last night what happened.
Speaker 1: He didn't understand what happened. Wait, they didn't. No one
Speaker 1: told him. I don't think anybody told him that when
Speaker 1: you say two words that you have to get dumped automatically,
Speaker 1: the system cuts you off. Yeah. I think it wasn't
Speaker 1: a good time for anyone to correct Jerry that bad.
Speaker 1: He's just not figured. They just not telling them. So
Speaker 1: after a win, you tell them after I explained it
Speaker 1: to him last night last Okay, you brought up last
Speaker 1: night twice now, So so what was this last night?
Speaker 1: The Christmas party? Oh yeah, the Christmas party with Jerry?
Speaker 1: Last night with Jerry. Yeah, just you and Jerry, just
Speaker 1: me and ye cozy about the fire for five minutes,
Speaker 1: making name dropping. Here at the top, he gets tugged
Speaker 1: in a lot of different cinnamon and tea right yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: green right, green tea. Right, Yeah, he was. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in a good mood. I told him to keep giving
Speaker 1: those guys help. Yeah, go ahead, this is handed me
Speaker 1: right here, he's handed Jones where Nick Jr. Oh, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a copy prepared because you give him
Speaker 1: hell every day on the radio, right Ricky when they
Speaker 1: allowed me to Yeah yeah, okay, so you didn't You
Speaker 1: didn't watch any Monday night football. I didn't keep an
Speaker 1: eye on it. Okay, it was well once I saw
Speaker 1: it seventeen to nothing. I said, Okay, nothing's going to happen,
Speaker 1: and then I think I peeked, uh Breeze set the touchdown?
Speaker 1: Did Yeah? I saw that. Even Ellen. Even Ellen tweeted
Speaker 1: in on that one. I didn't know he was so popular. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Tom Brady tweeted congratulations. And it sounds like Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's ready on Saturday against the Bills to go after
Speaker 1: that record. I hear you got fired up. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't about him on Monday night, So you go, he's
Speaker 1: supposed to be about Tom. Terrific Tom. So have the
Speaker 1: Colts fallen apart? Or was that just like a great
Speaker 1: They've they have not played well here lately. It was
Speaker 1: may have been a mirage, maybe good coaching, maybe whatever.
Speaker 1: The first half of the season's one of those Super
Speaker 1: Bowls things. That was just one of those moments. They
Speaker 1: played a great game the week prior, but they lost, right,
Speaker 1: But it was a lot of fight. You want to
Speaker 1: see fight. There was no fight last night. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was I They're done. It was it was homecoming
Speaker 1: last night. You know, we got to celebrate through what
Speaker 1: it was. He's like, thirty seven to nothing, thirty four
Speaker 1: to seven the final score. But did you see Breeze's
Speaker 1: stat line? He was twenty nine out of thirty. No,
Speaker 1: we was football football. That's not football because it just
Speaker 1: doesn't happen. You got the ball man on both sides.
Speaker 1: Come on, god, that was just so bad man. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do that, yes, because even you're gonna
Speaker 1: drop at least the pass. And with him, he's a
Speaker 1: shorter quarterback, so usually he's got at least one or
Speaker 1: two get tipped during the course. And I know he's amazing.
Speaker 1: I am not arguing that fact, but come on, guys,
Speaker 1: you can't do that against nine thirty three or seven,
Speaker 1: twenty nine for thirty for like three or seven or
Speaker 1: something in four touchdowns and for touchdowns whenever he felt
Speaker 1: like it, whenever he felt like it. Well, and how
Speaker 1: about this about Drew Brees. We is a state championship
Speaker 1: week here, Okay, Drew Brees at Austin Westlake. It was
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six, he won the
Speaker 1: state championship. Think about how long this guy and Brady
Speaker 1: for that matter, have been playing football. I mean, you
Speaker 1: people look at his size. I mean, he's a smaller guy.
Speaker 1: You would think he couldn't last all those years that
Speaker 1: the shoulder injury. Seemed like he got better after the
Speaker 1: shoulder injuries. It's a career that you wouldn't figure what happened.
Speaker 1: And it started to San Diego. Yeah, and it started
Speaker 1: his career at San Diego and not playing you know, right,
Speaker 1: you think Miami wishes they had passed him on that physical,
Speaker 1: but when was there. It's like everything else. You have
Speaker 1: to have your accomplice. You know, that's Belichick, and that's Brady,
Speaker 1: and and with with Drew because of Sean Payne. Right,
Speaker 1: I mean, of course Drew's amazing, but you have to
Speaker 1: have that accomplice with you to have that type of longevity.
Speaker 1: You can't do it by yourself. All we're going to
Speaker 1: have something bad. You got to have your bad man.
Speaker 1: And think about the circumstances that led to them signing
Speaker 1: Drew Brees because he was coming off that shoulder surgery
Speaker 1: and Miami didn't want to pass them. The Saints are
Speaker 1: going through Katrina basically, and it's like, okay, we got
Speaker 1: to do something, and Peyton says, let's sign Drew Brees
Speaker 1: and they got there together. But they didn't realize they
Speaker 1: had Drew Brees until but they were willing to shake
Speaker 1: hands on it. Yeah, they didn't know what they had paid.
Speaker 1: I remember correctly. When they signed them. They paid them.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like a huge contract, but it
Speaker 1: was all in the first year and they could get
Speaker 1: out of it the second year without a big salary
Speaker 1: cap penalty. So they said, Okay, let's do a look
Speaker 1: see contract. Well they looked in. Boy, that we see.
Speaker 1: So the Cowboys win this week, make the playoffs, and
Speaker 1: for all the playoff teams, does the road to the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl now go through New Orleans? I'm not saying
Speaker 1: about home field advantage, but is that the team that
Speaker 1: when you see how that offense is now playing. Whether
Speaker 1: they're the only team right now that has clinched their division?
Speaker 1: I believe they everybody else's the other teams have clinched
Speaker 1: a playoff spot, but not the division. Yeah, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't say much about where the world goes. Well, they're
Speaker 1: eleven and three a week ago, and the road went
Speaker 1: through San Francisco literally and figuratively. And then Atlanta goes
Speaker 1: to San Francisco and beat San Francisco. So Seattle just
Speaker 1: loses Josh Gordon. I think technically they're still the top seat,
Speaker 1: but they play San Francisco in week seventeen. Correct. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm kind of I'm a little heads and that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not talking. I'm not talking what home field.
Speaker 1: I'm talking, which is like from a Cowboys perspective, let's
Speaker 1: dream a little here. Okay, where where would they be?
Speaker 1: The toughest place to play to win? Oh, it's no
Speaker 1: doubt to me. Super Dome, Yeah, it's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: The Super Dollar in a championship playoff atmosphere the worst
Speaker 1: place to play. I told you the crowd sounds like
Speaker 1: they're engineered. You know, after a while, it's not voices,
Speaker 1: it's it's an engine. It becomes a whole different entity
Speaker 1: when it's that loud, and it's like you got someone
Speaker 1: controlling the volume at will, and you can say what
Speaker 1: you want. When the Cowboys played there in the Superdome,
Speaker 1: they could have gotten being worse than they did. Let's
Speaker 1: just say it like it is no communication. The crowd
Speaker 1: itself is their twelfth and thirteenth man, and against a
Speaker 1: great defense as well at that time, which sailed great defense.
Speaker 1: Everyone was putting it down after a while now you
Speaker 1: realize that that's really one of the most solid defenses
Speaker 1: in the league. It wasn't just at first eight games.
Speaker 1: They have continued to be the most solid defense in league.
Speaker 1: So you have crowd control, the crowd noise, and you
Speaker 1: got defense. Cowboys are lucky they didn't get be worse.
Speaker 1: Nut twelve ten was all the thanks to two losing
Speaker 1: those two fumbles going over the fifty yard long. Of course,
Speaker 1: with Bridgewater at quarterback right the first full game, what
Speaker 1: they what they did without Breeze for five or six
Speaker 1: games undefeated. To me, that's the mark of the best
Speaker 1: team in the league because that just shows the rest
Speaker 1: of your roster and what you can do without a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame quarterback. So yeah, I'm with Everson on that.
Speaker 1: Although Seattle is always tough if you got to go
Speaker 1: up there. So if you're going to paint a scenario
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, okay, they win, you want to host
Speaker 1: San Francisco or Seattle, I don't think it makes a difference. Well,
Speaker 1: but but think about it this way. You host Seattle,
Speaker 1: you're not playing up there in that loud place, okay,
Speaker 1: And so you okay, and we're dreaming here. We're dreaming here,
Speaker 1: and then you got the wild card game. Right as
Speaker 1: far as as far as dreaming goes, I would rather
Speaker 1: play Seattle, okay here, I would rather do and I'm
Speaker 1: also be painting we played two exactly. They're more familiar
Speaker 1: with them. Although, man, you give Russell Wilson one shot
Speaker 1: to win a game, that's that's tough there. But you're right,
Speaker 1: they're not as familiar with San Francisco. We played them well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean even going back to remember when we went
Speaker 1: up there and blew them out in Seattle one year,
Speaker 1: which was amazing and that was on heard of at
Speaker 1: the time. He should have beat them up there in
Speaker 1: two thousand and six. Mobile quarterbacks this year have not
Speaker 1: been the strength for this defense. That was the cowboy defense.
Speaker 1: That's fair, that's what days ago. And this is we're
Speaker 1: playing fantasy football here, okay, this is this is fantasy time,
Speaker 1: all right. Okay, So then you would then play at
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the divisional playoff round and then that
Speaker 1: probably invite me up and then yeah, that's already got that,
Speaker 1: and then you hope Green Bay beats New Orleans and
Speaker 1: the other divisional playoffs. So you don't go to New Orleans. Instead,
Speaker 1: you get to play at lambeau Field. Yeah, I know
Speaker 1: if that is tough, but I don't know. All Right,
Speaker 1: all right, Bill, you got it figured? Super Bowl? Bill
Speaker 1: just road, Yeah, Okay, all right, let's say, well, okay,
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Speaker 1: so Friday in Saturday and the weather is supposed to
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Speaker 1: can't see me, I am bowing right now. Thank you.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Art Nickey, yes or Rob, either one of you.
Speaker 1: You got some news on what's going on here with
Speaker 1: this Cowboys team. Mick Cowboys had two workouts at linebacker.
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett said that they needed to do something with
Speaker 1: the linebacker position, and they worked out two veteran guys.
Speaker 1: They're on the street right now, which you got to say,
Speaker 1: but that's what else would be available at this time
Speaker 1: of the year when thirty two teams have sixty three
Speaker 1: guys on their roster and these guys are out there.
Speaker 1: So Malcolm Smith had played at USC and Seattle. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing with Rochard at USC two right, Yeah, before he
Speaker 1: got to the Seahawks, so he knows a little bit
Speaker 1: about the former Super Bowl forty eight MVPs thirty years
Speaker 1: old and then the other guy, twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: Ray Ray Armstrong. He played with six different teams. He
Speaker 1: was released by Cleveland after Camp. San Francisco picked him
Speaker 1: up and then they oh no, yeah, they picked him
Speaker 1: up and then let him go. So two guys that
Speaker 1: are kind of out there, but they need depth with
Speaker 1: the amount of injuries they have Robert Yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: late in the season two Smith, we'll see what they do.
Speaker 1: But experience with Richard, I think he's one of seven
Speaker 1: defensive players to win the Super Bowl MVP. So pick
Speaker 1: six at Peyton Manning, that's that's impressive, but a long
Speaker 1: time ago, but he does have familiarity in that scheme.
Speaker 1: Gifford is looking at at surgery for the arm fracture
Speaker 1: that could sideline him several weeks. And you know, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett said yesterday not sure about his roster spot, but
Speaker 1: you can put him on IR and create an open
Speaker 1: spot because you're you're hurting at linebacker right now. There's
Speaker 1: not a definite timetable for vander esh right now with
Speaker 1: the neck injury, and Thomas is going to try to
Speaker 1: work through the knee thing this week. But you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're clearly banged up and Shawn's obviously had problems
Speaker 1: in him together from the game. Yeah, so they need
Speaker 1: to they need to piece it together for Philly, right Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if they signed one of them. They
Speaker 1: the workout was this morning, all right, Rob, how many
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVPs from the defensive side? It was seven?
Speaker 1: So and I know that three triggers the question how
Speaker 1: many are Cowboys? Four? That's what is that? Right? Larry Brown?
Speaker 1: Larry Brown, Harvey Martin and Randy White and Chuck on
Speaker 1: the losing team losing only still the only one on
Speaker 1: the team from a losing team. Yeah, he must have
Speaker 1: been bawling three pigs. And that was back in before
Speaker 1: lost the bottomore game that we should have won. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not for Jack Fettie the referee. No, is that the
Speaker 1: John McKee Dave Manders recovered a fumble on the goal
Speaker 1: line and went to the Colts instead. So that's Gerald
Speaker 1: Brown started the weird stuff happening to the Cowboys in playoffs. Right,
Speaker 1: that's why. Actually that ended the weird stuff. Really, No,
Speaker 1: it's continued. We'll go taking two thousand and six. Right.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I don't feel any any empathy
Speaker 1: for the Saints. You know, they always fussing about it.
Speaker 1: They don't get the day. We are the grandfathers of
Speaker 1: bad calls. And the reason I say that that ended
Speaker 1: is because the next year the Cowboys won the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: of course, and they were next year's champions from you
Speaker 1: know through the NFL championship games against the Packers and
Speaker 1: then playoff loss as well. Let me go back to
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh the Bittie Bonn's passing affairs. There you go against it?
Speaker 1: Did start it? Come on, I'm with you, Come on, man,
Speaker 1: it was just crazy not to mention Vince Lombardi gambling
Speaker 1: when he should have kicked a field goal in the
Speaker 1: Ice Bowl to tie the game and send it into overtime.
Speaker 1: Were according to Tech shram to Tech shrams, Di, that
Speaker 1: was the worst. That was the worst decision of any
Speaker 1: NFL coach ever. Rob, Can you give us a report
Speaker 1: on injury situation at this Cowboys team? The injury situation
Speaker 1: and why these linebackers are in here for looks? Didn't
Speaker 1: I just say it? Did I just break it down?
Speaker 1: I think Gifford Luke Gifford, Yeah, surgery arm. Looks like
Speaker 1: he's had it for surgery. Joe, he's out then, because
Speaker 1: if you if you got a broken bone in your arm,
Speaker 1: that's six weeks, right, how many weeks? Oh? He might
Speaker 1: as Jack Young bug he might get back for the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Yeah, so there, I am every ready to go.
Speaker 1: I mentioned Joe Thomas, you weren't listening to earlier, was
Speaker 1: looking at defensive I was like he was. I was
Speaker 1: googling super Bowl MVP. So Bill the only guy I got.
Speaker 1: I lost you, Rob when you said the defensive super
Speaker 1: Bowl MVPs. I was I know ever you said it,
Speaker 1: I know, drive that driving that bus. Yeah. CJ Goode. CJ.
Speaker 1: Goodwin is had surgery yesterday on his thumb, but they
Speaker 1: think he might be able to play this week. Can you,
Speaker 1: as a corner, can you play with a surgically repaired
Speaker 1: thumb a few days later? Yeah? You can't. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: affection ball be good? No, well, well we're talking cowboy
Speaker 1: defensive back. Oh yeah, so there's no problem we don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could cut his hands off. I maybe
Speaker 1: we could still play the way we play. Okay, oh wow,
Speaker 1: we have we go out there with a handsless defensive
Speaker 1: back and Savage just got a table. Yeah, just throw
Speaker 1: that shell in there. Man. Good and they and they,
Speaker 1: by the way, they they we didn't even get to
Speaker 1: know Cyril Grayson, but he signed Tampa Bay, so they
Speaker 1: guess they were looking for speed down the way, so
Speaker 1: they got two practice squad openings they do because so
Speaker 1: there's two openings there, and then they're trying to get
Speaker 1: somebody on the fifty three man roster. So they got
Speaker 1: some work to do here, all right. The a couple
Speaker 1: of guys were let around the league, Terrell Suggs picked
Speaker 1: up by Kansas City and mister cornerback over here, Genor's
Speaker 1: Jenkins picked up by the New Orleans Saints. So we
Speaker 1: were just talking about the Saints and how they rank
Speaker 1: right up there at the top of the NFC. What
Speaker 1: does that do to your defensive back room when let's
Speaker 1: say you're on that team with the New Orleans Saints
Speaker 1: and now here comes Jenora's Jenkins in the room. Well,
Speaker 1: to me, I've always thought the defensive backs were the
Speaker 1: weakness of the Saints uh defense. Period. They've always had
Speaker 1: issues with one on one. They've been saved by that
Speaker 1: front seven. But whenever they've gotten time, whenever the offense
Speaker 1: has gotten time against the Saints, they have toasted their
Speaker 1: dbs pretty well. And Jenkins is no exception. When he
Speaker 1: was in New York, right, we feasted on him. Jack Rabbit, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Jack Rabbit, jenk and man he will he will bite
Speaker 1: on a pass? Will yes, see to me that vans
Speaker 1: offense there, that's a van the offense. I don't see
Speaker 1: him as being an issue. And as far as the
Speaker 1: locker room is concerned, they're probably thinking, why are you
Speaker 1: bringing in another average player unless they have some injuries
Speaker 1: and they're trying to show up their depth. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a veteran guy. He's not going to be coming
Speaker 1: in talking about riding the bench. He's probably gonna be
Speaker 1: immediately on the third down at least a dime package.
Speaker 1: So they their weak spots. So Laddimore is on one side, right,
Speaker 1: is it Elia Apples who gets picked? The guy you wanted? Williams?
Speaker 1: Still feeling the digs play back in uh doing doing Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: And every time I look up, either he's there saving
Speaker 1: grace back there or he's the guy that's getting beat
Speaker 1: still and he's still very a young player. I think
Speaker 1: it was third year, third year player. So the secondary,
Speaker 1: if you're looking at the Saints, the secondary is the
Speaker 1: weakest part of their team, and by bringing in Jack Rabbit,
Speaker 1: they didn't improve their chances any at all. Although I
Speaker 1: nicknamed him Olay after he laid on jar One on
Speaker 1: that touchdown pass. This year, well, you can name a
Speaker 1: lot of days, a lot of business decisions made out there.
Speaker 1: All right, these Philadelphia Eagles, what is it that when
Speaker 1: you look at what they've done the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: they have come up with victories. However, the opponents have
Speaker 1: not been the strongest. They've been playing NFC East squads
Speaker 1: and they have squeaked out victories. What is it that
Speaker 1: concerns you the most going up there this weekend? Momentum? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. I mean they've won regardless of who they
Speaker 1: played or how they played, They've been able to come
Speaker 1: back and win. And I think that gives a team confidence.
Speaker 1: And it isn't that weird that they finished the season
Speaker 1: with four division opponents. Well that's the way the league
Speaker 1: likes to do it. Yeah, but not usually it's last
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks and yes, yeah, just worked all Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other problem that you have with that, it is,
Speaker 1: you know, quarterback's going to be running the team. Carson's
Speaker 1: feeling really good about himself. That was where I was
Speaker 1: going to He's really good. Go ahead, Well, he was
Speaker 1: about perfect in the fourth quarter. Against Washington, and he's
Speaker 1: doing it with I think Mickey reference it yesterday an
Speaker 1: all new receiving corps essentially Ward and those guys, because
Speaker 1: their top three guys have all been injured at some
Speaker 1: point in the year. Jeffrey's on IR and he's finding yeah,
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson and they're finding a way to get it done. So, Jeffrey,
Speaker 1: did you say Oath did you say anything about him? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was out been out with me? Is he is he?
Speaker 1: I don't know. He did not play last week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, your top three receivers out, they're still getting done.
Speaker 1: They basically used two wide receivers in the game against Washington,
Speaker 1: Greg Ward, who two years ago was the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: University of Houston, and J j R. Sega one. Wow,
Speaker 1: that's who that was. Wow. That guy was good. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's good. Yeah, yeah, and that and I know these
Speaker 1: guys Cowboys liked him and weren't able to come up
Speaker 1: with him. He caught He caught seven passes for sixty
Speaker 1: one yards. He was the only wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: game that had a reception. They had they had ten catches.
Speaker 1: I went back and look, they had ten catches for
Speaker 1: like one hundred and sixteen yards in a touchdown with
Speaker 1: their tight ends. The tight ends, by the way, and
Speaker 1: who did all the catching for the Rams, the tight
Speaker 1: ends by the Oh this is this is going to
Speaker 1: be about. And the buffalo that yesterday. The tight ends
Speaker 1: that have gone against us, a lot of them is
Speaker 1: almost career days. Yeah. Yeah, they've done things that they've
Speaker 1: never done before just from playing against us. Now, Higbee's
Speaker 1: I think seven of his eleven catches that we ended
Speaker 1: up throwing to it. But we learned about holtz Holt
Speaker 1: for the Bears, JP Holts. Yeah, so right for the Vikings, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hand all of a sudden, he's going to making one
Speaker 1: handicatches every week. That's starting with that. I don't know
Speaker 1: where I wrote it down, but I went back to
Speaker 1: I think the Minnesota game and counted up the catches
Speaker 1: by running backs and tight ends, and I think I
Speaker 1: for the rest of the whatever however many games that's been,
Speaker 1: it was like fifty three catches, fifty three catches by tighten.
Speaker 1: Get ready, there's about to be about fifty three more, right,
Speaker 1: And they throw the ball to Smiles Sanders too. He
Speaker 1: had six catches last weekend. And they've got Boston Scott
Speaker 1: Who is there? Darren Sproles type player? Right, Who's makee?
Speaker 1: How tall you? At least five six? Boston Scotts is shorter?
Speaker 1: Is he is? He Beasley size? He is? He is
Speaker 1: very short, which makes it a problem for a defense,
Speaker 1: Savage Bill for a defense because you can't see him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it like to be short. You know that. I can
Speaker 1: still take you to the basket, guarantee. God, I'd love
Speaker 1: to see that too. Let's get it self in one
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Speaker 1: Cowboy players were talking about Jason Garrett's pregame speech on
Speaker 1: Saturday night, and that's gotten some talk in the in
Speaker 1: So does how much credit does Jason Garrett get for
Speaker 1: this win? Now? He just gets credit for the losses. Okay,
Speaker 1: gets blamed for the losses. Yeah, the pregame talk to me,
Speaker 1: what did they say? I mean it was a baseball story.
Speaker 1: Apparently now the context of it, we're still trying to
Speaker 1: dig and find out right. Yeah. I think it was
Speaker 1: something that took place in high school, and he talked
Speaker 1: about team about how when one side of the ball,
Speaker 1: you know, lets down, the other sides got to pick
Speaker 1: up and he got to play complimentary football, which is
Speaker 1: kind of what they did. Now. You know, if that
Speaker 1: was the solution, he should have done it. Five weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Dak has been talking. He's Dak has used the word
Speaker 1: complimentary or the phrase complimentary football for like two months
Speaker 1: because that Philly game, the first Philly game, that was
Speaker 1: the best example we've seen of it. And I think
Speaker 1: Dak said a last couple of weeks, we just need
Speaker 1: to be good to each other. We got to find
Speaker 1: it ever since, you know, I mean, you got to
Speaker 1: be able to pick each other up if one side's
Speaker 1: not doing well. That's what we've been talking about, I know,
Speaker 1: ever since I've joined the show, it's been an emphasis
Speaker 1: on how you can't just let your offense be the
Speaker 1: catalyst of the team. Just because the offense gets off
Speaker 1: to a slow start doesn't mean the defense point And
Speaker 1: I've always said the defense has to be the catalyst
Speaker 1: for any type of success, any type of attitude shown
Speaker 1: during the ball game. They set the tone. We've always
Speaker 1: been this team ever since we've had this makeup with
Speaker 1: this great offensive line. You know, then here comes Ze,
Speaker 1: here comes Dad. We've always accepted the fact that offensively
Speaker 1: we control the pace of the game. I've just never
Speaker 1: been a fan of that. It's fun to watch. But
Speaker 1: you know that eventually defensives are gonna figure you out.
Speaker 1: I played defense. I've been with some great defensive coaches.
Speaker 1: Eventually you play three games, man, that's great. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden, those three games are going to be combined
Speaker 1: into a quality of control reel. And they've got great
Speaker 1: coaches and quality of control people that says this is
Speaker 1: the antidote to what they're doing. Especially now with technology.
Speaker 1: You I mean, you got a better read on anybody
Speaker 1: than you ever used to. And like the O seven
Speaker 1: Pats that were putting up forty points a game, by
Speaker 1: the time they got to December, that points per game
Speaker 1: was shrinking a little bit. So too. Yeah, they get
Speaker 1: paid too, especially if you send a film crew of
Speaker 1: up into the press box. Yea, they are really good.
Speaker 1: YEA from the clouds, just savage, savage. Why would you
Speaker 1: do that against the Bengals Because you have to get
Speaker 1: prepare for my Jets, make sure the Bengals without doing that.
Speaker 1: Look at how they prepare for the Jets. After the
Speaker 1: Jets beat us, they just went into a tack mode
Speaker 1: and like we're going to make sure, we're going to
Speaker 1: devour sounds. Like if you look at the video that
Speaker 1: they had to turn in that basically was on the
Speaker 1: sideline and focusing writing on the coach's hand signals, that
Speaker 1: just lets you know, God Beletshake leaves no stone. Should
Speaker 1: we compliment him for that? If you're a defensive player, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. Right, we're gonna check every box, So he
Speaker 1: gets credit for that. Even if they send guys that
Speaker 1: don't know anything about football to go cover substory right
Speaker 1: and selectually, would he be like the what gay Lord
Speaker 1: Perry of Yeah, that's good, all right? Cowboys run game.
Speaker 1: There's there's talk about so much talk, and deservedly so,
Speaker 1: on the performance of Tony Pollard in the game with
Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one yards rushing. Zeke had one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen. This is what you want in your
Speaker 1: running game. Okay, you got Zeke, But I hear a
Speaker 1: certain narrative out there that, well, then why did you
Speaker 1: pay Zeke all that money, if you got Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: here and give Tony Pollard more touches and so forth.
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is a compliment, yes to Zeke. The reason
Speaker 1: it works, it's complimentary foot compliment. Very good, there we go.
Speaker 1: What what you have is a a a defense that
Speaker 1: a customed to. And as well I pointed out yesterday,
Speaker 1: just the the what what he was. Zeke was running
Speaker 1: as if he was a battering ram, you know. So
Speaker 1: now you've got so to speak against the ram. So
Speaker 1: very good. Once again, Well you went on it, and
Speaker 1: I see I'm too close to the tree, see far
Speaker 1: enough for way to all of this. But what you
Speaker 1: have is that the change of pace. Yes, that can
Speaker 1: really confuse and keep a defense, you know, off balance.
Speaker 1: But I don't care what kind of running back you
Speaker 1: bring in. If that offensive line doesn't give your running
Speaker 1: backs the opportunity to change pace, doesn't give Zeke the
Speaker 1: optunity to be that battering ram, then it's all or not.
Speaker 1: Ze can be as stronger run as he wants to be.
Speaker 1: If there's no creeks there for him, if there's no
Speaker 1: parting of the waves, then he's not going to be
Speaker 1: as effective. So let's just say what it is. When
Speaker 1: that offensive line is playing. You could put spags back
Speaker 1: then and you're gonna get some yards. They that's just
Speaker 1: the way it is. That offensive line dominated the way
Speaker 1: they should have. And I hope they continued it because
Speaker 1: we talked about two weeks ago. I believe I said
Speaker 1: that's how you play playoff football. We don't want to
Speaker 1: pass the ball all over the place. We want to
Speaker 1: win ugly with good defense and a good running again,
Speaker 1: you know, and Pollard would he have one hundred and
Speaker 1: is right the team. So he had three carries for
Speaker 1: one hundred and two, by the way, so it wasn't
Speaker 1: like he was battering in there. He busted some big
Speaker 1: not one of them oftened them up really good. And
Speaker 1: one of them is at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: I would imagine the Ram we'll take them off, we'll
Speaker 1: take them on count right, and they had a trouble
Speaker 1: getting him on the ground. And I wonder how many
Speaker 1: mistackles the Rams have had. You know, when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have nineteen, it's a national story. I would imagine the
Speaker 1: Rams had about fifteen in that game, and about four
Speaker 1: on one of Powler's runs. And we talk about how
Speaker 1: this guy could run through tackles for such a small player.
Speaker 1: We need him in space. Remember we talked about sometimes
Speaker 1: Zeke might need the rest. You want to throw that
Speaker 1: ball out there, don't put your running back in the slot.
Speaker 1: Put him out here on the end where you can
Speaker 1: get him in space against a linebacker or a strong safety,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you've got a problem. You've
Speaker 1: got the potential for a big play. And which is
Speaker 1: my god, I'm looking at the videos now. Those those
Speaker 1: some great runs, those some great runs. So getting him
Speaker 1: in space, he can be extremely dangerous, more dangerous than
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliot who does he remind you of them? Ah
Speaker 1: can't catch and catching and he who haven't seen it
Speaker 1: necessarily yet, but he can catch the ball out of
Speaker 1: the backfield. That's where he's going to grow as much
Speaker 1: as anything over the next couple of years. I say,
Speaker 1: Marsha Folk, you know you remember out of the draft
Speaker 1: who Stephen said he wasn't as good, but he's that
Speaker 1: type of player. It was Elvin Kamara. That's exactly who.
Speaker 1: That's exactly who I was thinking. That's high praise for
Speaker 1: both when you saw what the Saints had with Ingram
Speaker 1: and Kamara and now they have with Otavius Murray and Kamara. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know, but we haven't seen him as much of
Speaker 1: the receiver as we have a complimentary like everyson's talking
Speaker 1: about complimentary runner. But at Memphis he was largely a
Speaker 1: wide receiver in some respects and some of the routes
Speaker 1: that he ran. So he had Darrell Henderson, who's now
Speaker 1: a backup running back with the Rams, who was their
Speaker 1: battering ram, I guess at Memphis. And but yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so tell me this, Everson. As far as a rookie
Speaker 1: coming in, Okay, how much do you expect, even at
Speaker 1: the running back position. Now, running backs usually can make
Speaker 1: a quicker transition than other positions. But how much do
Speaker 1: you expect first half of first year from a rookie
Speaker 1: running back? Oh, I wouldn't expect much, especially playing behind
Speaker 1: someone like Zeke Elliott. But second half of rookie year.
Speaker 1: Now he's so to speak into his sophomore season, Well,
Speaker 1: let's look at how many opportunities he's gonna get. Let's
Speaker 1: look at how not the quantity of the opportunity, but
Speaker 1: the quality of his opportunities. Now he's getting a chance
Speaker 1: to run the ball hopefully because either Zeke Ellie got hurt,
Speaker 1: so he's a great backup position, you know, depending on
Speaker 1: who you're starting running back is. But you have to
Speaker 1: look at what position your team is is in as well.
Speaker 1: Do they have the opportunity to put him in and
Speaker 1: make him effective? And so the Cowboys have the luxury
Speaker 1: to where yeah, you can. He's he can be effective
Speaker 1: even behind Zeke Elliott, who you would think is going
Speaker 1: to carry all the load all year long going for
Speaker 1: his thousand yards plus. Yeah. Sure, fans are asking why
Speaker 1: haven't they seen more of number twenty this year? And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I'm getting at with that question, is, Okay,
Speaker 1: it takes some time to make the transition. I think
Speaker 1: it does. And there have been a lot of situations
Speaker 1: in games where they haven't gotten the running game going
Speaker 1: like they'd want to, and you want to give Zeke
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get rolling a little bit. And the
Speaker 1: times that you've seen Tony really involved is when they've
Speaker 1: had leads and now you can like impose your will
Speaker 1: and now you're really the running game really comes into
Speaker 1: effect and you're able to spell him. That's that's when
Speaker 1: you've really seen when you look at the games we've lost,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's been effective at all. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong about it. Yeah, he doesn't think he's been effective.
Speaker 1: He remember he had the sprained ankle, so he didn't
Speaker 1: play in the two games ago bears right, right, Um,
Speaker 1: he's over that, you know. And and I think that
Speaker 1: he had twenty three carries, So that was his most
Speaker 1: carries since the first and third game of the season
Speaker 1: those blowout, right, well, this was some he had chance.
Speaker 1: He had significant carries though, when you know, getting both
Speaker 1: of them. I think the position he plays and the
Speaker 1: things they want to do with them is not a
Speaker 1: traditional running back. So maybe it's more complicated to get
Speaker 1: him into the passing party or the Cowboys are still
Speaker 1: trying to get Zeke more involved in the past, so
Speaker 1: you can't say you have to have the opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that. The fact that he's even dis effective behind
Speaker 1: the Zeke Elliott who okay, well Tony Pola wants to
Speaker 1: do that, so the Zeke right, and Zeke deserves to
Speaker 1: do this. See think about this and think about this offense.
Speaker 1: So and they want to get Jarwin more involved, Cooper
Speaker 1: more about and don't forget about cob right the way,
Speaker 1: So what do you you know that's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're leading the league in total offense.
Speaker 1: They do absolutely love his potential. Front office. They think
Speaker 1: he's I mean, obviously Zeke two. They wouldn't have paid
Speaker 1: Zeke they want and that's to deliver because we got
Speaker 1: to keep going back to Zeke. Right, But he's still
Speaker 1: the engine for this thing, clearly because we saw it
Speaker 1: the other night. Did see him on the field a
Speaker 1: little bit again once again together and Zeke through a
Speaker 1: great block down field the spring spring Pollard that maybe
Speaker 1: you can see more of that. Maybe that's a way
Speaker 1: to get him both involved at the same time. Herschel
Speaker 1: and Tony Right, No, don't do not, do not. I
Speaker 1: go back. I go back more too, and throw it
Speaker 1: at you if you bring up Herschel one more time,
Speaker 1: how about Doorset and Quston Pearson And that's that's okay,
Speaker 1: that's we'll win the Super Bowls then see you at
Speaker 1: least going to the championship. Okay, here's what I want
Speaker 1: out of Pollard. I want him. I don't care if
Speaker 1: the ball's five yards deep in the end zone. I
Speaker 1: want to see him come out with a kickoff return.
Speaker 1: I don't want to see no more Satan size do
Speaker 1: just let him come out. Okay, I want to see it.
Speaker 1: He did, just with Murphy's locker. Might come right right right?
Speaker 1: Or like yeah, Dunbar gone, Remember Lance Dunbar in New Orleans.
Speaker 1: Ye brought that one out and tore his knee up.
Speaker 1: And so Mickey ends this position of talking Cashell Walker Dubar.
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