Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of
Speaker 1: you hanging out with us as we are rolling through
Speaker 1: the Tuesday edition of the program. I promise that all
Speaker 1: my texts are going to the right people as we
Speaker 1: begin with the story of the day. So you know,
Speaker 1: by the way, a part of me feels like I
Speaker 1: should just bail on the show right now, Buck, because
Speaker 1: we have doctor Laura, famous doctor Laura. Is it slashinger?
Speaker 1: Is that her last name? I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: many of you know doctor Laura. She's a relationship expert.
Speaker 1: Producer Ali sent messages to our wives saying, hey, can
Speaker 1: you potentially fill out, you know, do a thirty second
Speaker 1: talkback question for doctor Laura relationship expert. I am told
Speaker 1: that my wife said thirty seconds is not enough and
Speaker 1: sent in a two minute long question, And a part
Speaker 1: of me feels like, Buck, I should just I should
Speaker 1: just wave right now and just go ahead and leave.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what the question that my wife's
Speaker 1: sent in was, but she needed two minutes instead of
Speaker 1: thirty seconds. So anyway, that's our two our only guest today,
Speaker 1: doctor Laura, featuring a question from my wife Laura and
Speaker 1: your wife, Carrie like wanted less less, had less go.
Speaker 1: She hasn't been married twenty years, but she has written
Speaker 1: a question correct for doctor Laura. She preferred to just
Speaker 1: write it out and I will read the question to
Speaker 1: doctor Laura. So both of our wives took different different
Speaker 1: pathways on this one. I would just say, though the
Speaker 1: reason I know I did not I had heard of
Speaker 1: doctor Laura before. I know she had a very big
Speaker 1: show for a long time on radio. But it's because
Speaker 1: sometimes my wife, like right after we got married, for example,
Speaker 1: you know, Carrie would I would come home or there'd
Speaker 1: be dinner on the table, and she would say things like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Laura says. And I noticed this trend
Speaker 1: of whenever Carrie would say doctor Laura says about a
Speaker 1: relationship thing, I was like, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's good. This is healthy. You think
Speaker 2: she gives good advice in general, based on your experience,
Speaker 2: excellent advice From my own experience of a wife who's
Speaker 2: been listening to doctor Laura for many, many years, Everything
Speaker 2: that she has picked up from doctor Laura, including some
Speaker 2: of the tough love stuff, is you know for the audience,
Speaker 2: is very solid.
Speaker 1: Well I'm excited for that. That is our two speaking
Speaker 1: of tough love. All right, So, newest story, if you
Speaker 1: have not heard, is that as we prepared to bomb
Speaker 1: the uties, which by the way, I think was totally
Speaker 1: the right decision to try to free up shipping lanes
Speaker 1: and send a message Churon, there was a group chat.
Speaker 1: Based on my research, Buck, you can correct me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on any of these facts, I think there
Speaker 1: were eighteen people involved in a group chat on the
Speaker 1: Signal app, which is designed to be a high privacy
Speaker 1: way to basically send text message. Is outside of doing
Speaker 1: so from a regular cell phone network or an Apple
Speaker 1: cell phone network, I would imagine most of you probably
Speaker 1: are sending text messages and if you have an Apple
Speaker 1: phone or an Apple device, they're blue. If you're sending
Speaker 1: outside of the Apple universe, they're green. I don't know,
Speaker 1: what do you think maybe ten percent of our audience
Speaker 1: has downloaded the Signal app. The Signal app I have
Speaker 1: it on my phone is sometimes ways that people I've
Speaker 1: noticed it in media in particular, that want to communicate things,
Speaker 1: but they don't want to send them on a traditional
Speaker 1: text message network because they're concerned about somebody else surveilling them.
Speaker 2: For lack of a better way to describe this now
Speaker 2: as end encryption. It's considered one of the better platforms
Speaker 2: for privacy and security out there. But there's what's good
Speaker 2: for your privacy and security versus what a nation state
Speaker 2: entity can break into you and can surveil. Right, So
Speaker 2: it's one thing for you and me to sit here
Speaker 2: and say, well, I'm not worried about some random hacker
Speaker 2: getting our information. It's a different thing to say, can
Speaker 2: the Chinese communist parties intelligence apparatus get our information? That's
Speaker 2: the question.
Speaker 1: So in this I believe it was eighteen people accidentally,
Speaker 1: but this is unfortunate. It appears National Security Advisor Mike
Speaker 1: Waltz added Jonah Goldberg, who is the editor of The Atlantic,
Speaker 1: and in general, probably there are a lot of people
Speaker 1: you could have added the editor of Atlantic to this
Speaker 1: group chat was not the person that you wanted to add.
Speaker 1: And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,
Speaker 1: remember that talking point. And now that the stock market
Speaker 1: SMP five hundred at least is back above where it
Speaker 1: was on election day, they need a new talking point
Speaker 1: for Trump is awful, And the new talking point is
Speaker 1: this encryption failure.
Speaker 2: Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg. What did I call him?
Speaker 2: I think you said Jonah, who has made jokes about
Speaker 2: how he is not Jeffrey Goldberg. Jonah Goldberg is a
Speaker 2: different media Goldberg. I thought you were making a joke there.
Speaker 2: I was waiting for you to to point this out.
Speaker 1: It's Jeffrey Giliberg of The Atlantic, my bad, not the
Speaker 1: actor from the Big Short Race. Is that the wrong guy,
Speaker 1: Jonah Hill.
Speaker 2: Get your Goldberg straight?
Speaker 1: I am, I am, I am out to lunch here
Speaker 1: already on the start anyway. This guy is the editor.
Speaker 1: He's not a movie star. He is not a fat
Speaker 1: person who has the same name Jonah that got skinny
Speaker 1: and then got fat again because his career collapsed when
Speaker 1: he got too skinny. This is not Jonah Hill, not
Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor at the Atlantic. All right,
Speaker 1: So he is on this text thread and he decides
Speaker 1: that he's going to write about the security failure for
Speaker 1: The Atlantic? Does it yesterday afternoon, about time our show ended,
Speaker 1: And so it has been the biggest story in the
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. Okay, so clearly I'm not the
Speaker 1: intelligence expert here. Let me go to you first, Buck, Like,
Speaker 1: we know Pete, we know JD, we know probably most
Speaker 1: of the people on this text thread. You certainly know
Speaker 1: everybody probably on this text Thug.
Speaker 2: Yes, And then these are some of these individuals are
Speaker 2: friends of ours and we just say that by way
Speaker 2: of disclosure, or there are people that we are friends with,
Speaker 2: have socialized with. So you know, I'm gonna be as
Speaker 2: unbiased as I can in this situation. Right, But when
Speaker 2: I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi their friends,
Speaker 2: they're patriots. I know where their heart is, I know
Speaker 2: what they're trying to do for the country, and so
Speaker 2: I comment everything from that perspective first. But let me
Speaker 2: just I'll back back into this clay for a second.
Speaker 2: First up, I don't want to help the Democrats in
Speaker 2: any way in this moment in time by giving them
Speaker 2: more than they should have in terms of political ammunition.
Speaker 2: All right, So that's we are cognizant of that. Here
Speaker 2: it was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs, all
Speaker 2: the price of eggs, all the stock market. Now it's
Speaker 2: all the national secuit. Please, they need to calm down,
Speaker 2: take a step back and recognize that the situation they're
Speaker 2: in right now as a political entity. The Democrats are
Speaker 2: in this situation because their party went insane, and they
Speaker 2: deserve exactly what they are going through right now. They
Speaker 2: sort of excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things
Speaker 2: that he's doing to better the country. Okay, they should
Speaker 2: like it, but they don't. They find it humiliating. National
Speaker 2: security and classification. Classification is broken down by the expected
Speaker 2: possible harm that could be done due to unauthorized disclosure.
Speaker 2: So I think that's an important foundational understanding of this. Right, So,
Speaker 2: when you talk about confidential, secret, top secret, compartmented, these
Speaker 2: things exist. They are separated based upon the sensitivity, generally
Speaker 2: of the sources and methods of the collection. Right So,
Speaker 2: if if some guy on the street somewhere shares his
Speaker 2: opinion about whether there's going to be like another Arab
Speaker 2: spring revolution, you know that's gonna be confidential, maybe because
Speaker 2: if he told it to people in a public forum,
Speaker 2: but you don't want his name to be out there
Speaker 2: too much, or you know he set it out in public. Anyway,
Speaker 2: you go all the way up the chain. If we
Speaker 2: have some super secret squirrel laser from outer space that
Speaker 2: could zap all of the information they have in like
Speaker 2: the Kremlin. Okay, well that's going to be very high level.
Speaker 2: The stuff that I have seen so far that they
Speaker 2: have talked about here. We have to keep in mind
Speaker 2: that Pete and others have said it's not classified. And
Speaker 2: now here's the thing. I don't think that they would
Speaker 2: lie about that because it's something it's something that Jeffrey
Speaker 2: Goldberg got to be here. Jeffrey Goldberg could make them
Speaker 2: look particularly foolish and dishonest on top of everything if
Speaker 2: they said, oh, this isn't classified, and then he shares
Speaker 2: the screenshots, which I'm sure he has. He's already shared
Speaker 2: some that shows it is clearly classified. This information did
Speaker 2: not get out before these strikes were taken. So from
Speaker 2: a national security harm perspective, there was no harm. Let's
Speaker 2: start with that. There was no harm. And you know,
Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg, I think recognized you are an American, like
Speaker 2: this is important stuff. Do not mess with an impending
Speaker 2: military strike because you think it'll get more clicks. That
Speaker 2: is just that is true. That is fair. Right. He
Speaker 2: didn't try to, and sometimes journalists really do, like The
Speaker 2: New York Times has done things in the past where
Speaker 2: I've said they are sabotaging American national security. I do
Speaker 2: not think that that happened here, and I think that
Speaker 2: that's to all of our benefit. And I'm not sure
Speaker 2: that it could have happened because I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: the information that could have been shared would have been
Speaker 2: sensitive enough to change things around. So nothing bad happened
Speaker 2: here in terms of US national security. The harm was
Speaker 2: non realized. Whether it could have been realized or not
Speaker 2: is a question whether there was anything classified in there. Okay, Clay.
Speaker 2: Then we get to the next part of this, which
Speaker 2: is operational security OPSEC. This is a blunder. Obviously, there's
Speaker 2: no way around that. You don't want a journalist that
Speaker 2: you don't know is on the text thread getting access
Speaker 2: to anything that you're talking about as a senior policy official.
Speaker 2: So this is where Trump has already come out and
Speaker 2: said there was a lesson learned here, and you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to tighten things up going forward. This is
Speaker 2: not the oh my gosh Watergate moment that the media
Speaker 2: is pretending that it is because they want to attack
Speaker 2: the administration. I got still a lot of questions because
Speaker 2: I'm a regular, you know, sort of not super sophisticated
Speaker 2: person when it comes to sharing information like this. So
Speaker 2: let me ask you this question, and I think we
Speaker 2: can probably take some of the questions from listeners because
Speaker 2: you're an expert in this. How much of.
Speaker 1: This buck is about the fact that it's very difficult
Speaker 1: to get all of these people in one room when
Speaker 1: they're presumably traveling all over the world.
Speaker 2: And shouldn't we have a.
Speaker 1: Method of communication given that these guys for the most part,
Speaker 1: are around our age, people like you and me and
Speaker 1: a lot of people our age are used to communicating
Speaker 1: on rapid fashion in these group text chains, whether it's
Speaker 1: serious things or not serious things. And to me it
Speaker 1: oftentimes I would think would be difficult to get everybody
Speaker 1: on secure lines so that eighteen people all over the
Speaker 1: world could have a conversation about this.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? This is where yeah, absolutely, this
Speaker 2: is where operational security comes in. And I will say,
Speaker 2: at my time in the CIA, this was taken incredibly
Speaker 2: seriously and with good reason because we were doing we
Speaker 2: the US government, maybe we the CIA, who knows we
Speaker 2: were doing drone strikes. We were doing operational hits on
Speaker 2: high value target you know, we were doing takedowns of
Speaker 2: cells that we're going to try to blow up a
Speaker 2: whole bunch of planes. I mean that there was and
Speaker 2: we knew about that stuff before it was happening. Right,
Speaker 2: if we're working with a partner nation, if Jaysack is
Speaker 2: going to go in and do a raid, I mean,
Speaker 2: look at something like the Binlanen raid for example. So
Speaker 2: there was a need for operational security at a very
Speaker 2: high level. We understood that everybody is always their own
Speaker 2: really first and last line of classification and reality. Meaning
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that that's technically true, but meaning you
Speaker 2: determined in all of your communications. If I'm talking to
Speaker 2: somebody on the phone and I'm not being careful, I
Speaker 2: could bleed over into classified talk instantaneously. Right, So it's
Speaker 2: on everybody to be protecting sensitive information all the time
Speaker 2: who has access to it, Because there's no such thing
Speaker 2: as I'm only this, I think goes to your question, Clay,
Speaker 2: I'm only operating on the high side. I'm only operating
Speaker 2: on classified networks. No, you have to be taking phone calls.
Speaker 2: You have to be calling your wife or your husband
Speaker 2: and saying I'm gonna be home late to night, honey. Right,
Speaker 2: So you're always going to be interacting in the low
Speaker 2: side of the high side classified an unclassified world. Did
Speaker 2: they bleed over a little too much here? That's part
Speaker 2: of that. That's a question that people are fighting over
Speaker 2: right now. I haven't really seen much to suggest that
Speaker 2: they did. And I and again I think that they
Speaker 2: This isn't like they can get away with lying about
Speaker 2: it because Goldberg would have had the screenshots. But do
Speaker 2: you want there's more here?
Speaker 1: I want to I just I have a layman's knowledge here,
Speaker 1: and I actually just have a lot of questions. I
Speaker 1: also think there are people out there. If you know
Speaker 1: that you are on a group chat that you shouldn't
Speaker 1: be on, shouldn't you leave it? Or tell people?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 1: Like the fact that he stayed on this thing and
Speaker 1: allowed all these text messages to come in seems suspect
Speaker 1: to me as well.
Speaker 2: Well. Absolutely, But you know, journalists, it's interesting now because
Speaker 2: you realize the journalists are really mostly activists. Clay and
Speaker 2: I would say one thing that has always been it's
Speaker 2: kind of funny to me is when people will say
Speaker 2: to me that I'm talking to you know, we're off
Speaker 2: the record here, right, And I sit there and I
Speaker 2: go I have to say we're on the record for
Speaker 2: if anyone's talking to me as a human being and
Speaker 2: they think that they have my confident evidence, I don't
Speaker 2: break that. I don't care, you know, government official, person
Speaker 2: in my private life, you know whatever. If you think
Speaker 2: you're talking to me Buck as a person that you
Speaker 2: can trust, you can trust me. But journalists operate in
Speaker 2: this other space if they get to determine what's in
Speaker 2: the you know, what the public needs to know and not.
Speaker 2: And what we find out is that really it's whether
Speaker 2: it hurts my party or not, which is where the
Speaker 2: Goldberg situation comes in. This is why I've never been
Speaker 2: an anonymous source in any story that I'm aware of. Like,
Speaker 2: if I'm going to be quoted, I just tell you
Speaker 2: exactly what I think. For better or worse, I tell
Speaker 2: you exactly what I think. I don't want to be
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show. All Right,
Speaker 1: good news coming out of Ukraine. As that continues to move,
Speaker 1: we hope towards a resolution and a ceasefire. We are
Speaker 1: talking about the Signal story, the discussion that involved Jeffrey Goldberg,
Speaker 1: an Atlantic editor and writer, and some people including Brian.
Speaker 2: Here. When we make a mistake, your job is not
Speaker 2: to keep the story alive. Sometimes you should just shut
Speaker 2: the f up app shape Brian send to me that email.
Speaker 2: I have a very different opinion. I think our job
Speaker 2: is to be honest with all of you about big stories,
Speaker 2: and sometimes when big stories are being talked about in
Speaker 2: a way that we think is dishonest, we should explain
Speaker 2: to you why when you're getting on Facebook and you're
Speaker 2: seeing somebody sharing a story that isn't representative of what
Speaker 2: actually happened, or when you are out in about and
Speaker 2: somebody in your social circle brings something up, we want
Speaker 2: to make sure that you are well informed with every
Speaker 2: possible argument. This is the biggest story of the day
Speaker 2: so far, and I think we have a responsibility and
Speaker 2: obligation to talk about it. Intelligently, even if it's not
Speaker 2: the perfect story. And so.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian, I appreciate the email, but my job
Speaker 1: is to tell you exactly what I think good or bad.
Speaker 1: And if you don't like that, there's lots of people
Speaker 1: who will tell you only what you want to hear
Speaker 1: every minute of every day. I think it will keep
Speaker 1: you worse informed. But that's just I think a fundamental
Speaker 1: disagreement that we have about what exactly we're doing here.
Speaker 2: So I think I think that we always have, you know,
Speaker 2: there are few things that we have to serve this
Speaker 2: serve this audience daily, right, and that's always you know,
Speaker 2: we just did an interview recently about crossing five hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty five stations, you know, no big deal, and
Speaker 2: Clay and I were talking to people in the media
Speaker 2: about how, you know, we work for all of you
Speaker 2: and day in and day out, and we want to
Speaker 2: bring you the best information we can. So if you
Speaker 2: listen to this show for an hour, you're gonna know
Speaker 2: everything that's going on. And if you give us three hours,
Speaker 2: we're hoping to, you know, give you a tremendous analysis
Speaker 2: and fun and tell stories and right, give you a
Speaker 2: fully immersive experience. But one of the things, Clay, that
Speaker 2: I think we do. Sorry, I was, I was weaving
Speaker 2: there a little bit, guys, but you know, as one does.
Speaker 2: One of the things that we do is I never
Speaker 2: want anyone who listens to this show to feel like, oh,
Speaker 2: but if I'm at a if I'm at a party,
Speaker 2: or i'm at i'm at the office or wherever, and
Speaker 2: someone challenges me on this issue, I'm not ready for it. Yes,
Speaker 2: so exactly, I don't want you to be in a
Speaker 2: situation where you're annoying sister in law or you know
Speaker 2: your your you know Bob from accounting or you know
Speaker 2: Sally from from HR is like, did you see the
Speaker 2: big national security message whatever? And you go, well, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. I've told We're telling you
Speaker 2: everything you need to know about it. These are patriots,
Speaker 2: They didn't mean any harm. There was no harm done.
Speaker 2: Better practices next time. Sometimes mistakes happen, they will adjust
Speaker 2: and it's not that big a deal. Okay, So that's
Speaker 2: well said. When I was in the CIA and faced
Speaker 2: imprisonment if I messed up these rules, so I know
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. Okay.
Speaker 1: So my thoughts couple of things as a layman. Here one,
Speaker 1: why do we not have our own version of a
Speaker 1: signal app that could And I want you to explain
Speaker 1: this to me because I've been doing reading because I
Speaker 1: want to know more about it.
Speaker 2: It's hard to.
Speaker 1: Get everybody in a secure location when you've got people
Speaker 1: traveling all over the world. And I think this is important,
Speaker 1: and you want to make sure that everyone is well
Speaker 1: informed with what the United States government is doing so
Speaker 1: that Tulsea Gabbard doesn't turn on the television and find
Speaker 1: out on Fox News that we have attacked to Hooties, right,
Speaker 1: and maybe she's in Yemen or wherever the heck she
Speaker 1: might be. And Pete Hegseth right now, I know because
Speaker 1: the pictures are out is touring the Pacific, and these
Speaker 1: eighteen people are in six different time zones and actually
Speaker 1: the easiest way sometimes to communicate is text message. So
Speaker 1: point one, shouldn't we have a design system that is
Speaker 1: forward thinking from a security perspective for younger people who
Speaker 1: are used to communicating in this manner. And by the way,
Speaker 1: take it back one hundred years or eighty years or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. And I'm sure people were like, we
Speaker 1: can never communicate on the telephone any secret knowledge.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, this is crazy. And then everybody who
Speaker 2: grew up.
Speaker 1: Using the telephone expects for the devices to be created
Speaker 1: that are able to be used in this method Step one,
Speaker 1: step two. And this is just a layman question. This
Speaker 1: guy Goldberg, I think he should have had to. I mean,
Speaker 1: it feels to me like a big part of this
Speaker 1: story is his dishonesty and also staying involved in a
Speaker 1: conversation that he was aware he was never intended to
Speaker 1: be tagged on, and yet he stayed in there and
Speaker 1: continued to receive these messages. In your own lives, if
Speaker 1: you were a part of a group text chain that
Speaker 1: you were not intended to be on, which I bet
Speaker 1: if you're under the age of fifty is something that
Speaker 1: has happened to almost everybody out there at some point
Speaker 1: in time. Certainly, if you're under the age of forty,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you just leave the group chat either publicly say hey,
Speaker 1: wrong guy, or just leave on your own volition. The
Speaker 1: fact that he stayed in there and kept receiving all
Speaker 1: of these messages makes me think that his behavior was
Speaker 1: quite nefarious, to say nothing of waiting to drop the
Speaker 1: story like.
Speaker 2: Well, this is where journalists like to have it both ways, right.
Speaker 2: They're patriots and they care about the country too. And
Speaker 2: when I say journalists, I mean the journals right and
Speaker 2: the Sky is an activist. He's a left wing Democrat.
Speaker 2: This has been clear for a long time. He was
Speaker 2: the one who had his fingerprints all over the Trump
Speaker 2: suckers and losers thing from Arlington Cemetery, which I never
Speaker 2: believed for one second. You know, I'm not saying Trump
Speaker 2: is perfect, but Trump does not think people who gave
Speaker 2: their lives fighting for the military are losers. That was
Speaker 2: just total I mean I can't even say on radio
Speaker 2: what it was is total nonsense. But Clay, what they'll
Speaker 2: say is, well, I have as a journalist, I need
Speaker 2: to know whatever I can find out about the upper
Speaker 2: echelons of government, and you know, the sharing of information
Speaker 2: and everything else that's going on there. You know, I look,
Speaker 2: if I were on this and I'm in tex contact
Speaker 2: with some of these people, to be clear, I mean,
Speaker 2: this is the thing. This is what happens when you
Speaker 2: have people from the media and that you've known for
Speaker 2: many years who are now running massive departments of the government.
Speaker 2: Clay and I know these people, I know them.
Speaker 1: Just this is how people who are under the age
Speaker 1: of fifty overwhelmingly communicate. We don't get on bones and
Speaker 1: have long form conversations. Most of our communications is via text.
Speaker 2: Right. But but what I'm what I'm you know, shining
Speaker 2: a spotlight on is just that, uh. You know, these
Speaker 2: these are individuals who are doing the best practices that
Speaker 2: they can to speak quickly to each other about in
Speaker 2: about things that matter. And if I were on if
Speaker 2: I felt like I was in, you know, in the
Speaker 2: room when I shouldn't be in the room, so to speak,
Speaker 2: in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm out because I wouldn't want them as senior government
Speaker 2: officials who have clearly made you know, I'm not a
Speaker 2: nefarious foreign actor, right, I'm not. I'm not trying to
Speaker 2: run information ops for Al Jazeera over here. If I'm
Speaker 2: in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know I'm
Speaker 2: going to duck out now. I know you've got to
Speaker 2: talk about stuff because I'm an American and this is
Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. Yes,
Speaker 2: and you know, my desire to get a scoop is
Speaker 2: infinitely less important to me then, especially when talking about
Speaker 2: something on military strike then my desire to protect US
Speaker 2: national security secrets. I mean, look, I'll tell you. I
Speaker 2: mean I had an example of this, Clay when the
Speaker 2: Benghazi story broke on TV. I was actually on air
Speaker 2: at the Blaze when Benghazi broke initially and we went
Speaker 2: live for hours on it. I had to sit there
Speaker 2: and be like, I don't know what's going I knew
Speaker 2: exactly what it happened in terms of like a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff that came out of just put it that way,
Speaker 2: and I had to sit there and be like, no,
Speaker 2: because I had classified access before and it wasn't my
Speaker 2: place to blow in. So I just sat there and
Speaker 2: was just as things were coming on the news where
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, look at that, look at that. I
Speaker 2: could have been, Oh, let me tell you what's really
Speaker 2: going on here, and really what the operations are, and
Speaker 2: you know, hey, you guys know I was in CTC
Speaker 2: and the CIA, and here's no nothing. Because my obligation
Speaker 2: to my to my clearance and to my country matters
Speaker 2: a heck of a lot more than breaking the story
Speaker 2: and getting some attention. And this is a different thing.
Speaker 2: In this era where we have a lot of people
Speaker 2: that work in public facing jobs who have had access
Speaker 2: to high level national security information. Right, it's on you
Speaker 2: as an American to always put country first over job,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean like like role in that I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about job in the Pentagon, I mean job
Speaker 2: in like a media organization. I could have been out
Speaker 2: there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi that would have made
Speaker 2: me the first guy, and They're like, oh, what's the
Speaker 2: people like, what's the annex? And there's all this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I have no idea. Guys. I had
Speaker 2: to sit there and be like, I don't know. And
Speaker 2: it was early in my career, and I could have
Speaker 2: made a big thing of it, but I knew what
Speaker 2: those guys the risk that they had taken by being there.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what the following operations were going to be.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was blown. I didn't know what
Speaker 2: was going to happen. I didn't know anything, and so
Speaker 2: I just sat there and had to just read information
Speaker 2: as that came across the news wire like everybody else,
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, you know what, every goldberg is like,
Speaker 2: oh no, I need to get the information as much
Speaker 2: of it as I can, and then I'll make the
Speaker 2: determination about this is that in the best interest of
Speaker 2: national security, you don't think you want to give these
Speaker 2: guys a heads up that, Hey, I'm not supposed to
Speaker 2: be on this chat. I mean, to your point, yeah,
Speaker 2: what really matters to him? I mean my initial reaction
Speaker 2: I'm on a group chat that I don't think I
Speaker 2: should be on, is hey, I want to get out.
Speaker 2: First of all, a lot of you probably get dragged
Speaker 2: into your group chats, if you're a mom or a dad,
Speaker 2: little league group chats, gymnastics group chats, dance team group chat,
Speaker 2: like oh my god, do I need to be on this? Right?
Speaker 1: You might want to get you might want to get out,
Speaker 1: But if you're dragged into something that you know you
Speaker 1: have no business seeing, I just it feels like to
Speaker 1: me like you would immediately withdraw and not stay there.
Speaker 1: Second part, and I want to get your answer on
Speaker 1: this when we come back in the next do we
Speaker 1: need to update communication capabilities and standards for people involved
Speaker 1: in defensive industries? Because I was I was actually just
Speaker 1: looking at Elon Musk and he was talking about just
Speaker 1: the government is so far behind in the tech that
Speaker 1: often it has relative to what other private sector organizations
Speaker 1: might have. In other words, whatever you do for a living,
Speaker 1: if you're a if you're in defense industries or something
Speaker 1: like that, I'm sure they have high tech communications capabilities.
Speaker 2: How would these eighteen people.
Speaker 1: Have been able to talk if they're in four or
Speaker 1: five different time zones all around the world, How can
Speaker 1: they communicate easily?
Speaker 2: Well, we have high I mean we have this, We
Speaker 2: have high side. I mean we have classify channels.
Speaker 1: Well, I guess my question for you when we come back,
Speaker 1: why would this conversation exist in the way that it does.
Speaker 2: There are there are the equivalent of let's say, let's
Speaker 2: say there's the equivalent of text communication within the national
Speaker 2: security sphere that is real time and that you can
Speaker 2: it is classified classifiedly, you can talk about what you
Speaker 2: need to talk about.
Speaker 1: When we come back, Then, why would a communication like
Speaker 1: this be taking place? In your mind? What does it suggest? Again?
Speaker 1: I think the ultimate result here is that nothing, thankfully,
Speaker 1: very significant happened other than the embarrassment. And I think
Speaker 1: primarily this is being played because it is relatively insignificant
Speaker 1: in terms of its impact in this situation, more for
Speaker 1: humor than anything else, and I think it's probably a
Speaker 1: twenty four hour story that.
Speaker 2: Will go away.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's worth talking about what exactly
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Speaker 1: of you hanging out with us as we are rolling
Speaker 1: through the Tuesday edition.
Speaker 2: Of the program.
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, Texas given a lot of
Speaker 1: good things to the world, Jasmine Crockett now one of them.
Speaker 1: She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the
Speaker 1: Democrat Party. And you know her background is interesting, Buck,
Speaker 1: because she's a little bit like the rapper. Remember back
Speaker 1: in the day on eight Mile when Eminem goes head
Speaker 1: to head in the rap battle.
Speaker 2: You Buck may not remember eight.
Speaker 1: Mile as well as I do, but he delivers the
Speaker 1: culminating knockout punch.
Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen eight Mile yet in
Speaker 2: the twenty years that it's been out against a other
Speaker 2: rapper by pointing out that his family is actually super
Speaker 2: rich and he went to a very high end private
Speaker 2: school called Cranbrook, which is one of the richest kids
Speaker 2: schools in the Detroit area. I know this.
Speaker 1: My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,
Speaker 1: but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns
Speaker 1: out Buck went to a high school that cost over
Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays
Speaker 1: as if she is someone from the streets, which raises
Speaker 1: a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I
Speaker 1: think in general, when you pretend to be something that
Speaker 1: you are not in order to try to draw attention
Speaker 1: to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say
Speaker 1: about her that, instead of being educated, forthright and an
Speaker 1: advocate in some way in a public manner for what
Speaker 1: she believes, that she would basically turn into. Remember we
Speaker 1: played here a couple of weeks to go saying Trump
Speaker 1: is putin's hoe that she would basically turn into a
Speaker 1: version of herself that is not representative of how she
Speaker 1: was raised. Well, here she is going after the governor
Speaker 1: of Texas, Greg Abbott, and this is what she said
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, and I believe, of all things,
Speaker 1: a human rights event. Listen, because we in these hot
Speaker 1: ass Texas streets, Honey, y'all know we got Governor high
Speaker 1: wheels down there. Come on now, and the only thing
Speaker 1: hot about him is that he is a.
Speaker 2: Hot ass mess, honey. So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.
Speaker 1: For those of you don't know, that's an insult because
Speaker 1: Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair because a
Speaker 1: tree fell on him when he was in his twenties.
Speaker 1: So when she calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually
Speaker 1: insulting him because of a disability that he has, and
Speaker 1: then she attacks.
Speaker 2: In some way.
Speaker 1: For those who don't know his physical appearance, the only
Speaker 1: thing hot about him is the fact that he's a
Speaker 1: hot mess. Is actually really good governor, I think, by
Speaker 1: and large has been. Certainly the average Texan agrees based
Speaker 1: on the voting returns. But to go after a guy
Speaker 1: who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, again, I would lean into this. If
Speaker 1: I were Greg Abbott, I'd probably roll out in a
Speaker 1: Governor Hot Wheels T shirt the next time that I
Speaker 1: did a public event, because I would mock her mockery
Speaker 1: by mocking it that way. But I do think it's
Speaker 1: emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have
Speaker 1: a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor
Speaker 1: of the state that you represent for being in a
Speaker 1: wheelchair is their go to line of attack, and that
Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as
Speaker 1: an outspoken advocate for the Democrat Party is frankly the
Speaker 1: best thing I can think about for Republicans.
Speaker 2: Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in
Speaker 2: so far as she's never going to be uh. You know,
Speaker 2: AOC and the squad were there was a lot of
Speaker 2: media attention because some of them and pricarly like Rashida
Speaker 2: talib And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,
Speaker 2: far left part of the party. But I think Clay
Speaker 2: it was very obvious early on that AOC was the
Speaker 2: only one who was going to try to elevate. And
Speaker 2: we see that happening right now. I mean it's it's yes,
Speaker 2: still in still in process or in progress, But she
Speaker 2: was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being
Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, maybe being president or she aspiration
Speaker 2: is the wrong word, possibility. Right within the Democrat rank,
Speaker 2: she's become, uh, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says
Speaker 2: she has She's no longer a street communist, right, he's
Speaker 2: more of a organizer. I think he uses. That's a
Speaker 2: very good term he's come up with. Right, She's no
Speaker 2: longer street communist. She's more of a you know, pollitborough communist.
Speaker 2: Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in the boardroom meetings,
Speaker 2: yes exactly. She can sit there with Stalin and the
Speaker 2: rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody. But I
Speaker 2: think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention but
Speaker 2: has no There's no way that she's going to find
Speaker 2: herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party in
Speaker 2: my opinion. So I don't spend too much time and
Speaker 2: saying something like like Governor hot Wheels. I don't even
Speaker 2: think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think that anyone
Speaker 2: expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The only thing
Speaker 2: that upsets me is that she shares a name with
Speaker 2: the greatest coffee company of all time, which happens to
Speaker 2: also be named for a great American hero. It's a
Speaker 2: great name, you know. It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name,
Speaker 2: which look, the crocket is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a
Speaker 2: there's different spellings of it. In fact, Davies spelled his
Speaker 2: name or there are different spellings of his name during
Speaker 2: his life because of the sort of derivation of it
Speaker 2: from the Scottish ishlands. Yeah, fun facts for everybody. There,
Speaker 2: you go. I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot
Speaker 1: of people say awful things going to shock you about
Speaker 1: me or buck. I'm not the kind of person who
Speaker 1: like grabs my pearls and falls onto a fainting couch.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't encourage. I understand some people are like,
Speaker 1: this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous. I think
Speaker 1: the way to deal with something like this again, if
Speaker 1: I were giving advice to Greg Abbott would be with humor,
Speaker 1: because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname,
Speaker 1: and you can throw it back on her by leaning
Speaker 1: into the humor and proving that you are going to
Speaker 1: mock her by doing so. I think that's a smart
Speaker 1: way to attack it. But I do think that this
Speaker 1: is emblematic of them not really having a strategy. The fact,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, the Jasmine Crockett does doesn't have
Speaker 1: a next level right If you think about it in
Speaker 1: a sports term, you're like, Okay, you're the kind of
Speaker 1: boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so called
Speaker 1: Tomata can, but you don't have heavyweight title aspirations, Like
Speaker 1: you're kind of just a mid range guy in the
Speaker 1: boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin Crockett is. I
Speaker 1: think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight.
Speaker 1: I think they think, I agree with you, that they
Speaker 1: could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is my prediction.
Speaker 1: I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's
Speaker 1: not going to run for reelection. Remember he won reelection
Speaker 1: in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until twenty eight.
Speaker 1: I think he'll announce he's not running an endorseer twenty three.
Speaker 2: Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down play
Speaker 2: twenty three. Look, I'm not stepping down. And let me
Speaker 2: just say this.
Speaker 4: I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown,
Speaker 4: that it would be that there'd be a lot of controversy,
Speaker 4: and there was. But I let me tell you and
Speaker 4: your audience why I did it, why I felt was
Speaker 4: so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know, the
Speaker 4: continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or twenty
Speaker 4: times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole
Speaker 4: power to determine what is quote essential, and they can
Speaker 4: determine without any court supervision. The courts have ruled it's
Speaker 4: solely up to the executive what to shut down. With
Speaker 4: Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote, they
Speaker 4: would eviscerate the federal government.
Speaker 2: Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we
Speaker 2: have for leadership on the Democrat side. As said, I'm
Speaker 2: not stepping down, and I don't see anybody who poses.
Speaker 2: You know, the option here would be and this is
Speaker 2: what Bernie Sanders I think, was referring to who could
Speaker 2: run in the Senate against Schumer from New York AOC.
Speaker 2: But I think Democrats are very about this. Remember Bernie Clay,
Speaker 2: this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was
Speaker 2: at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were running
Speaker 2: their primary, and you know into twenty sixteen when Democrats
Speaker 2: are running their primary and all of the CNN commentators
Speaker 2: would say out of the side the Democrats would say,
Speaker 2: out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really
Speaker 2: got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go
Speaker 2: on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus
Speaker 2: and they knew it was gonna happen to be like, well,
Speaker 2: we know that Hillary is really Bernie's great, but Hillary,
Speaker 2: but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where
Speaker 2: the bases? They totally they they scammed Bernie out of
Speaker 2: the nomination twice. And it's twice and it's because mean,
Speaker 2: we all saw this, right, and it's because came out
Speaker 2: in some of the Wiki League stuff. And it's all
Speaker 2: because they recognized that the whole game Democrats have to
Speaker 2: play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.
Speaker 2: And you can't be too honest about this because you
Speaker 2: can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you
Speaker 2: tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC do
Speaker 2: they think that there's some new era they are entering
Speaker 2: where they can do a rebrand I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if
Speaker 1: they get the right candidates, and I think they are
Speaker 1: are going to pick up seats.
Speaker 2: In the Senate.
Speaker 1: I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia f
Speaker 1: Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New
Speaker 1: Hampshire if they can get Snunu is the governor right now,
Speaker 1: right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I
Speaker 1: think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.
Speaker 1: Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.
Speaker 1: I think if I were setting over under on pickups
Speaker 1: in the Senate, I would set it at one and
Speaker 1: a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans
Speaker 1: come out at twenty twenty six in the Senate with
Speaker 1: fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,
Speaker 1: with only two years left on his term, I think
Speaker 1: Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I
Speaker 1: think he will set the stage for AOC to come
Speaker 1: the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,
Speaker 1: I think that will then set the table for her
Speaker 1: to be president. Now to run for president now she
Speaker 1: may not even want to be in the Senate because
Speaker 1: the argument is does she need to be in the
Speaker 1: Senate to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember,
Speaker 1: everybody's running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. They're
Speaker 1: gonna have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe
Speaker 1: not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is
Speaker 1: going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,
Speaker 1: a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but
Speaker 1: the Democrat side, everybody is running.
Speaker 2: I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just
Speaker 2: the fact that we have initials for her and everybody
Speaker 2: knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.
Speaker 2: This is as soon as we were talking about this,
Speaker 2: I think was in January after Electric Class, Like, you
Speaker 2: know what, I think it'll be, And occasionally I waiver
Speaker 2: on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. Look
Speaker 2: at Joe Biden. But AOC as the media profile, and
Speaker 2: I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out.
Speaker 2: It's when I say media, I don't mean who can
Speaker 2: get on CBS News, I mean social media, Internet recognizability,
Speaker 2: ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of
Speaker 2: capture public attention. It's really hard to win in politic
Speaker 2: Look me, look at Trump is a is an entertainment
Speaker 2: phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon. And
Speaker 2: those two things I think go hand in hand. Now,
Speaker 2: this is why I don't think somebody like you know,
Speaker 2: people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No, you know, she plays
Speaker 2: well enough with Democrats in Michigan. But I just don't
Speaker 2: think that she's She doesn't have the name, she doesn't
Speaker 2: have the profile, she doesn't have the sizzle. If you will,
Speaker 2: and I know some of you will laugh at me.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember who was laughing at me. But AOC
Speaker 2: is a It's like she's a character in American politics.
Speaker 2: It's different. She's not just a politics she's a politician celebrity.
Speaker 2: She's pretty. She may clazier, she's pretty. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects. Yeah, no,
Speaker 2: it matters, You're right. I just think it's funny. She's
Speaker 2: pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she is pretty, but I think she also could
Speaker 1: have a kid. I mean, some of you are going
Speaker 1: to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's
Speaker 1: married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes
Speaker 1: her more relatable for a lot of people out there.
Speaker 1: I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I
Speaker 1: would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be
Speaker 1: I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets
Speaker 1: exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter,
Speaker 1: but I think if she's going up against let's say, like,
Speaker 1: I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because
Speaker 1: he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not
Speaker 1: going to vote for a gay white guy. But I
Speaker 1: think may Or Pete is actually a pretty smart guy,
Speaker 1: right Like I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren
Speaker 1: she's too old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin
Speaker 1: Newsom is evil evil Keanu Reeves, but I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a moron.
Speaker 2: I think he's just an inveterate liar.
Speaker 1: There are people I think that would expose AOC in
Speaker 1: an intellectual game.
Speaker 2: Again. I know I sound like and you know you
Speaker 2: can throw whatever heat you wanted me everyone, But I
Speaker 2: think AOC she is ignorant, but she is savvy. And
Speaker 2: savvy may be a meaning she doesn't know very much,
Speaker 2: but she's cunning, and that may be enough. I just
Speaker 2: keep an eye on it. I think a people who
Speaker 2: could be around her and write the speeches and tell
Speaker 2: her to memorize the talking points to, you know, and
Speaker 2: she doesn't have dementia. She's got that going for her,
Speaker 2: which doesn't have that going for her. That is very nice.
Speaker 2: We'll come back.
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Speaker 5: save on water, we could both be in the shower.
Speaker 5: It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's
Speaker 5: got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which
Speaker 5: you and I both know. Guys, don't enjoy. So the
Speaker 5: more physical you are with each other and the more
Speaker 5: cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.
Speaker 2: I love it. That's really good advice.
Speaker 1: Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,
Speaker 1: but there is audio. She went and used the app
Speaker 1: and then she needed more space, so she said, just give.
Speaker 2: Context for how long? How long have you been married?
Speaker 2: Tell doctor Laura how Yeah, so I've been married man
Speaker 2: twenty one years, will be August. So I've been married
Speaker 2: over twenty years now. We have three boys, seventeen, fourteen,
Speaker 2: and ten year old. And here is what my wife,
Speaker 2: Lara wanted to ask you.
Speaker 6: Listen, Clay and I are parents of boys, and thus
Speaker 6: far I think we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However,
Speaker 6: some of our friends who have daughters, their experiences, the
Speaker 6: way they talk about it sound very different. In fact,
Speaker 6: some of them say raising daughters through adolescents is a
Speaker 6: complete nightmare. I have a friend this morning tell me
Speaker 6: that she feels she's coming home to a bag of
Speaker 6: snakes every day when she comes home to her adolescent daughters,
Speaker 6: which is funny but harsh. So, in general, do you
Speaker 6: have some great advice for parents going through adolescence with
Speaker 6: their children. Obviously the children are going through adolescents. And
Speaker 6: do you have different advice for parents of girls weathering
Speaker 6: adolescents versus parents of boys weathering adolescence.
Speaker 5: Thank you, I thought you were just going to have
Speaker 5: me on for a few minutes.
Speaker 2: That's going to.
Speaker 5: Take me about half an hour to get through. Let
Speaker 5: me try to bring it down number one, whether it's
Speaker 5: a boy or a girl, that it's a tight family
Speaker 5: that does things together, that is sweet with each other.
Speaker 5: That the father spends time with the daughter, the father
Speaker 5: spends time with the son, the mother spends time and
Speaker 5: the family is always together for dinner if they have
Speaker 5: to go do sports.
Speaker 2: Things or what have you.
Speaker 5: That you know, that's a very important part of the family.
Speaker 5: People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in
Speaker 5: how you raise girls from boys, and I'd have to
Speaker 5: come back another time to go through that. But the
Speaker 5: first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands
Speaker 5: and wives in the physical and the cuteness, the I
Speaker 5: was with a family and I thought, and I talked
Speaker 5: about them on my air, that this was the best
Speaker 5: family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,
Speaker 5: may I would you send me?
Speaker 2: Could I have?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: Please?
Speaker 5: Thank you. Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.
Speaker 5: That is not something that families do. You have two
Speaker 5: career families. You have all kinds of other stuff going
Speaker 5: on in the house, and it's not a family, it's
Speaker 5: mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,
Speaker 5: when people are always saying please and thank you and
Speaker 5: show concerned for each other and discipline and kind ways
Speaker 5: with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes
Speaker 5: how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out
Speaker 5: of public school.
Speaker 2: Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have
Speaker 2: you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the
Speaker 2: questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about
Speaker 2: you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.
Speaker 2: And like I said, as a husband and a very
Speaker 2: happy husband who does completely adore his wife, and I
Speaker 2: you know, it's so important that I think women get
Speaker 2: a lot of the messaging and men and men, but
Speaker 2: that we both get a lot of the messaging that
Speaker 2: you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address
Speaker 2: something that's more just sort of general for the country
Speaker 2: right now. You know, we talk here about politics and
Speaker 2: national security and education, all these different things, but the
Speaker 2: importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,
Speaker 2: Maybe should be is a better word these days. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a story just out today and it says and
Speaker 2: that the headline is American women are giving up on marriage,
Speaker 2: and one of the lines from it as American women
Speaker 2: have never been this resigned to staying signal single. They
Speaker 2: are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing
Speaker 2: gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs about
Speaker 2: what a family should look like. What is going on
Speaker 2: and how do we fix it?
Speaker 5: Not enough fathers in the home raising sons to be
Speaker 5: men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,
Speaker 5: the women have gone through the feminist thing where men
Speaker 5: are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.
Speaker 5: It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a
Speaker 5: guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay
Speaker 5: attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.
Speaker 5: And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number
Speaker 5: one thing women don't admit they want to feel protected.
Speaker 5: And that's why they like those silly books where there's
Speaker 5: this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried
Speaker 5: you into safety. Why do they read those things at
Speaker 5: such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent as
Speaker 5: we can be, we want to be protected. And men
Speaker 5: have not been brought up to be that anymore.
Speaker 2: Are you more?
Speaker 1: You've been doing this for fifty years, and Buck just
Speaker 1: laid out. A marriage is becoming less common. A lot
Speaker 1: of men are not present in homes. Unfortunately, the overall
Speaker 1: birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are you
Speaker 1: more or less optimistic about the future of the family
Speaker 1: unit today than when you started? How would you analyze
Speaker 1: the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 5: No, I was more optimistic than that. I am now
Speaker 5: because there have been so many forces. We have, like
Speaker 5: one or two generations now I think are lost. These
Speaker 5: are young people who are not being brought up that
Speaker 5: you finished school and you aim to be in do things,
Speaker 5: and you make a family and you raise kids and
Speaker 5: you have communities. And that was how I was brought up,
Speaker 5: and it was all this optimism. Now you have throngs
Speaker 5: of kids who have no idea where they can go
Speaker 5: and what they can be, and so they get involved
Speaker 5: in all of these cliques like non binary, and you know,
Speaker 5: I belong now to a group of people who are
Speaker 5: equally lost and don't have an identity and don't have
Speaker 5: a direction and don't have a sense of self other
Speaker 5: than I can belong to this community. It's like what
Speaker 5: we used to look at with groupies with rock stars.
Speaker 5: This is what's happening. So I'm worried. Be honest with you,
Speaker 5: I'm worried.
Speaker 2: But the one little.
Speaker 5: Piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People
Speaker 5: are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it
Speaker 5: back together again and make life meaningful in something you
Speaker 5: can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving
Speaker 5: and reach all of that. So as long as I
Speaker 5: still get that response, I keep my optimism up.
Speaker 1: That's a great line. You just laid out some of
Speaker 1: the challenges. How much do you think it has to
Speaker 1: do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would
Speaker 1: you give parents out there? My wife asked a question
Speaker 1: about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents
Speaker 1: about social media and about what they allow their kids
Speaker 1: to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.
Speaker 5: Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,
Speaker 5: you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes
Speaker 5: just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible
Speaker 5: parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor
Speaker 5: child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.
Speaker 6: That's it.
Speaker 5: No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time
Speaker 5: with screens, how about we actually have families that do
Speaker 5: stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a
Speaker 5: screen though. We would watch Law and Order as a
Speaker 5: whole family, and then we would sit here and we
Speaker 5: would go I think he did it.
Speaker 2: No, I think she did it.
Speaker 5: And so it was all of this thinking through using
Speaker 5: pieces of information. And I just read today that our
Speaker 5: children are really suffering the inability to have fine motor
Speaker 5: skills because they're not playing with crayons, they're not playing
Speaker 5: with scissors, They're just sitting there like that. And so
Speaker 5: we're actually losing physicality. I mean, is that not shocking.
Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences
Speaker 2: that are on kids these days and what they're being
Speaker 2: told and how I think a lot of them are
Speaker 2: being set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,
Speaker 2: yes you have. I agree. The metrics these days, and
Speaker 2: the metrics for young women in particular in terms of
Speaker 2: happiness self describe happiness. It's terrifying in terms of how
Speaker 2: bad it is. How do we start? Oh yeah, turn again.
Speaker 2: You're going up against the tsunami. But how do we
Speaker 2: start to turn that around?
Speaker 5: Well, I just it popped into my head as you
Speaker 5: were asking me the question. Look at all the very
Speaker 5: intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions
Speaker 5: of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that.
Speaker 5: And I think that's wonderful for young women to have
Speaker 5: something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more
Speaker 5: shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.
Speaker 5: I want to be like that lady who's now running
Speaker 5: the whatever it is. So having role models like that,
Speaker 5: you know, I have people calling who say I was
Speaker 5: in a car seat in the back of my parents'
Speaker 5: car listening to you, and now I have kids and
Speaker 5: I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be
Speaker 5: a positive influence.
Speaker 2: Do it. My wife makes fun of me because I
Speaker 2: just always sit there in the car when she turns
Speaker 2: you on, just like doctor Laura's right. So I'm telling
Speaker 2: you this. I was like, we have to have doctor
Speaker 2: Lauren's like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks. She goes, Oh,
Speaker 2: I know, Clay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And
Speaker 1: you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for
Speaker 1: so long when the modern era, Like I was reading
Speaker 1: the other day, the number of successful women that are
Speaker 1: choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a
Speaker 1: child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.
Speaker 1: What kind of world experiences me?
Speaker 2: Okay, I wanted to get your.
Speaker 5: Ta me makes me angry because kids need a dad.
Speaker 5: And I just say to these women, oh that's not well.
Speaker 5: I have money and I can take care of me.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that.
Speaker 5: You had a mommy and a daddy, and I'm sure
Speaker 5: that meant something to you. Now you're going to rob
Speaker 5: a kit of a dad because it's convenient for you
Speaker 5: not to commit and give of yourself and be vulnerable
Speaker 5: to another human being and be invested in each other's
Speaker 5: lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a real shame.
Speaker 5: That is so selfish.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. Doctor Laura. We gotta have
Speaker 2: we gotta have you back, because you know, for you
Speaker 2: to solve all problems of relationships and family and shirt
Speaker 2: child rearing in about ten minutes is asking a lot.
Speaker 2: But you didn't know a remarkable job. Guys. There's so
Speaker 2: many books. I mean, the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.
Speaker 2: I've actually got Carrie's very dog eared and underlined copy
Speaker 2: in my hand, a great book. And go to doctor
Speaker 2: Laura dot com because she's doing some great charity work too.
Speaker 2: Doctor Laura, we'd love to have you back, and thanks
Speaker 2: for being here.
Speaker 5: I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love
Speaker 5: listening to you too.
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much. Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: I like that. That's right, that's how we do it.
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