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Speaker 1: Welcome in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you hanging out with us as we are rolling through

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Speaker 1: the Tuesday edition of the program. I promise that all

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Speaker 1: my texts are going to the right people as we

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Speaker 1: begin with the story of the day. So you know,

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Speaker 1: by the way, a part of me feels like I

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Speaker 1: should just bail on the show right now, Buck, because

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Speaker 1: we have doctor Laura, famous doctor Laura. Is it slashinger?

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Speaker 1: Is that her last name? I think, if I'm not mistaken,

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Speaker 1: many of you know doctor Laura. She's a relationship expert.

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Speaker 1: Producer Ali sent messages to our wives saying, hey, can

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Speaker 1: you potentially fill out, you know, do a thirty second

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Speaker 1: talkback question for doctor Laura relationship expert. I am told

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Speaker 1: that my wife said thirty seconds is not enough and

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Speaker 1: sent in a two minute long question, And a part

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Speaker 1: of me feels like, Buck, I should just I should

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Speaker 1: just wave right now and just go ahead and leave.

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what the question that my wife's

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Speaker 1: sent in was, but she needed two minutes instead of

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds. So anyway, that's our two our only guest today,

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura, featuring a question from my wife Laura and

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Speaker 1: your wife, Carrie like wanted less less, had less go.

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Speaker 1: She hasn't been married twenty years, but she has written

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Speaker 1: a question correct for doctor Laura. She preferred to just

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Speaker 1: write it out and I will read the question to

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura. So both of our wives took different different

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Speaker 1: pathways on this one. I would just say, though the

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Speaker 1: reason I know I did not I had heard of

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Speaker 1: doctor Laura before. I know she had a very big

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Speaker 1: show for a long time on radio. But it's because

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Speaker 1: sometimes my wife, like right after we got married, for example,

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Speaker 1: you know, Carrie would I would come home or there'd

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Speaker 1: be dinner on the table, and she would say things like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, doctor Laura says. And I noticed this trend

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Speaker 1: of whenever Carrie would say doctor Laura says about a

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Speaker 1: relationship thing, I was like, Yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 2: I like that. That's good. This is healthy. You think

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Speaker 2: she gives good advice in general, based on your experience,

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Speaker 2: excellent advice From my own experience of a wife who's

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Speaker 2: been listening to doctor Laura for many, many years, Everything

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Speaker 2: that she has picked up from doctor Laura, including some

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Speaker 2: of the tough love stuff, is you know for the audience,

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Speaker 2: is very solid.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm excited for that. That is our two speaking

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Speaker 1: of tough love. All right, So, newest story, if you

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Speaker 1: have not heard, is that as we prepared to bomb

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Speaker 1: the uties, which by the way, I think was totally

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Speaker 1: the right decision to try to free up shipping lanes

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Speaker 1: and send a message Churon, there was a group chat.

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Speaker 1: Based on my research, Buck, you can correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong on any of these facts, I think there

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Speaker 1: were eighteen people involved in a group chat on the

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Speaker 1: Signal app, which is designed to be a high privacy

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Speaker 1: way to basically send text message. Is outside of doing

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Speaker 1: so from a regular cell phone network or an Apple

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Speaker 1: are sending text messages and if you have an Apple

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Speaker 1: phone or an Apple device, they're blue. If you're sending

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Speaker 1: outside of the Apple universe, they're green. I don't know,

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Speaker 1: what do you think maybe ten percent of our audience

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Speaker 1: has downloaded the Signal app. The Signal app I have

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Speaker 1: noticed it in media in particular, that want to communicate things,

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Speaker 2: For lack of a better way to describe this now

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Speaker 2: as end encryption. It's considered one of the better platforms

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Speaker 2: for privacy and security out there. But there's what's good

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Speaker 2: for your privacy and security versus what a nation state

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Speaker 2: entity can break into you and can surveil. Right, So

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Speaker 2: it's one thing for you and me to sit here

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Speaker 2: the Chinese communist parties intelligence apparatus get our information? That's

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Speaker 1: So in this I believe it was eighteen people accidentally,

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Speaker 1: but this is unfortunate. It appears National Security Advisor Mike

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Speaker 1: And now that the price of eggs are back to normal,

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Speaker 2: Did you say it's Jeffrey Goldberg. What did I call him?

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Speaker 1: It's Jeffrey Giliberg of The Atlantic, my bad, not the

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Speaker 1: actor from the Big Short Race. Is that the wrong guy,

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Speaker 1: Jonah Hill.

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Speaker 2: Get your Goldberg straight?

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Speaker 1: I am, I am, I am out to lunch here

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Speaker 1: He's not a movie star. He is not a fat

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Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg, Jeffrey Goldberg, editor at the Atlantic. All right,

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Speaker 1: So he is on this text thread and he decides

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Speaker 1: The Atlantic? Does it yesterday afternoon, about time our show ended,

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Speaker 1: And so it has been the biggest story in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours. Okay, so clearly I'm not the

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Speaker 1: intelligence expert here. Let me go to you first, Buck, Like,

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Speaker 1: we know Pete, we know JD, we know probably most

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Speaker 1: of the people on this text thread. You certainly know

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Speaker 2: Yes, And then these are some of these individuals are

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Speaker 2: friends of ours and we just say that by way

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Speaker 2: have socialized with. So you know, I'm gonna be as

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Speaker 2: unbiased as I can in this situation. Right, But when

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about someone like Pete or Tulsi their friends,

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Speaker 2: what they're trying to do for the country, and so

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Speaker 2: I comment everything from that perspective first. But let me

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Speaker 2: just I'll back back into this clay for a second.

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Speaker 2: First up, I don't want to help the Democrats in

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Speaker 2: All right, So that's we are cognizant of that. Here

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Speaker 2: it was, as you mentioned, the price of eggs, all

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Speaker 2: sort of excruciating humiliation of Trump doing all the things

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Speaker 2: like it, but they don't. They find it humiliating. National

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Speaker 2: security and classification. Classification is broken down by the expected

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Speaker 2: So I think that's an important foundational understanding of this. Right, So,

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Speaker 2: when you talk about confidential, secret, top secret, compartmented, these

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Speaker 2: if if some guy on the street somewhere shares his

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Speaker 2: opinion about whether there's going to be like another Arab

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Speaker 2: if he told it to people in a public forum,

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Speaker 2: but you don't want his name to be out there

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Speaker 2: the Kremlin. Okay, well that's going to be very high level.

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Speaker 2: The stuff that I have seen so far that they

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Speaker 2: that Pete and others have said it's not classified. And

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Speaker 2: now here's the thing. I don't think that they would

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Speaker 2: Goldberg got to be here. Jeffrey Goldberg could make them

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Speaker 2: they said, oh, this isn't classified, and then he shares

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Speaker 2: the screenshots, which I'm sure he has. He's already shared

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Speaker 2: some that shows it is clearly classified. This information did

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Speaker 2: not get out before these strikes were taken. So from

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Speaker 2: a national security harm perspective, there was no harm. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with that. There was no harm. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Jeffrey Goldberg, I think recognized you are an American, like

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Speaker 2: this is important stuff. Do not mess with an impending

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Speaker 2: not think that that happened here, and I think that

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Speaker 2: So this is where Trump has already come out and

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Speaker 2: not the oh my gosh Watergate moment that the media

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Speaker 2: you're an expert in this. How much of.

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Speaker 1: This buck is about the fact that it's very difficult

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Speaker 2: And shouldn't we have a.

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Speaker 1: Method of communication given that these guys for the most part,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people our age are used to communicating

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Speaker 1: oftentimes I would think would be difficult to get everybody

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Speaker 2: Does that make sense? This is where yeah, absolutely, this

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Speaker 1: good news coming out of Ukraine. As that continues to move,

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Speaker 1: You know, Brian, I appreciate the email, but my job

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Speaker 2: Clay and I know these people, I know them.

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Speaker 1: Just this is how people who are under the age

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Speaker 1: of fifty overwhelmingly communicate. We don't get on bones and

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Speaker 1: have long form conversations. Most of our communications is via text.

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Speaker 2: Right. But but what I'm what I'm you know, shining

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Speaker 2: a spotlight on is just that, uh. You know, these

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Speaker 2: these are individuals who are doing the best practices that

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Speaker 2: they can to speak quickly to each other about in

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Speaker 2: about things that matter. And if I were on if

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Speaker 2: I felt like I was in, you know, in the

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Speaker 2: room when I shouldn't be in the room, so to speak,

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Speaker 2: in this case, the chat room, I'd be like, hey, guys, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm out because I wouldn't want them as senior government

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Speaker 2: officials who have clearly made you know, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: nefarious foreign actor, right, I'm not. I'm not trying to

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Speaker 2: run information ops for Al Jazeera over here. If I'm

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Speaker 2: in this, I would say, hey, guys, you know I'm

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Speaker 2: going to duck out now. I know you've got to

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Speaker 2: talk about stuff because I'm an American and this is

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Speaker 2: the Secretary of Defense and the Director of National Intelligence. Yes,

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Speaker 2: and you know, my desire to get a scoop is

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Speaker 2: infinitely less important to me then, especially when talking about

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Speaker 2: something on military strike then my desire to protect US

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Speaker 2: national security secrets. I mean, look, I'll tell you. I

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Speaker 2: Benghazi story broke on TV. I was actually on air

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Speaker 2: at the Blaze when Benghazi broke initially and we went

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Speaker 2: live for hours on it. I had to sit there

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Speaker 2: and be like, I don't know what's going I knew

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Speaker 2: exactly what it happened in terms of like a lot

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Speaker 2: of stuff that came out of just put it that way,

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Speaker 2: and I had to sit there and be like, no,

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Speaker 2: because I had classified access before and it wasn't my

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Speaker 2: place to blow in. So I just sat there and

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Speaker 2: was just as things were coming on the news where

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Speaker 2: could have been, Oh, let me tell you what's really

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Speaker 2: going on here, and really what the operations are, and

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Speaker 2: you know, hey, you guys know I was in CTC

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Speaker 2: and the CIA, and here's no nothing. Because my obligation

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Speaker 2: to my to my clearance and to my country matters

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Speaker 2: a heck of a lot more than breaking the story

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Speaker 2: and getting some attention. And this is a different thing.

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Speaker 2: In this era where we have a lot of people

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Speaker 2: that work in public facing jobs who have had access

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Speaker 2: to high level national security information. Right, it's on you

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Speaker 2: as an American to always put country first over job,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean like like role in that I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking about job in the Pentagon, I mean job

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Speaker 2: in like a media organization. I could have been out

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Speaker 2: there telling everybody stuff about Benghazi that would have made

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Speaker 2: me the first guy, and They're like, oh, what's the

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Speaker 2: people like, what's the annex? And there's all this stuff,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, I have no idea. Guys. I had

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Speaker 2: to sit there and be like, I don't know. And

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Speaker 2: it was early in my career, and I could have

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Speaker 2: made a big thing of it, but I knew what

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Speaker 2: those guys the risk that they had taken by being there.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what the following operations were going to be.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what was blown. I didn't know what

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Speaker 2: was going to happen. I didn't know anything, and so

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Speaker 2: I just sat there and had to just read information

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Speaker 2: as that came across the news wire like everybody else,

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Speaker 2: and I'm saying, you know what, every goldberg is like,

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Speaker 2: oh no, I need to get the information as much

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Speaker 2: of it as I can, and then I'll make the

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Speaker 2: determination about this is that in the best interest of

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Speaker 2: national security, you don't think you want to give these

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Speaker 2: guys a heads up that, Hey, I'm not supposed to

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Speaker 2: be on this chat. I mean, to your point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what really matters to him? I mean my initial reaction

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Speaker 2: I'm on a group chat that I don't think I

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Speaker 2: should be on, is hey, I want to get out.

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Speaker 2: First of all, a lot of you probably get dragged

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Speaker 2: into your group chats, if you're a mom or a dad,

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Speaker 2: little league group chats, gymnastics group chats, dance team group chat,

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Speaker 2: like oh my god, do I need to be on this? Right?

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Speaker 1: You might want to get you might want to get out,

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Speaker 1: But if you're dragged into something that you know you

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Speaker 1: have no business seeing, I just it feels like to

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Speaker 1: me like you would immediately withdraw and not stay there.

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Speaker 1: Second part, and I want to get your answer on

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Speaker 1: this when we come back in the next do we

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Speaker 1: need to update communication capabilities and standards for people involved

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Speaker 1: in defensive industries? Because I was I was actually just

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Speaker 1: looking at Elon Musk and he was talking about just

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Speaker 1: the government is so far behind in the tech that

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Speaker 1: often it has relative to what other private sector organizations

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Speaker 1: like that, I'm sure they have high tech communications capabilities.

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Speaker 2: How would these eighteen people.

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Speaker 1: Have been able to talk if they're in four or

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Speaker 1: five different time zones all around the world, How can

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Speaker 2: Well, we have high I mean we have this, We

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess my question for you when we come back,

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Speaker 1: why would this conversation exist in the way that it does.

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Speaker 2: There are there are the equivalent of let's say, let's

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Speaker 1: When we come back, Then, why would a communication like

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Speaker 1: I think the ultimate result here is that nothing, thankfully,

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Speaker 2: Of the program.

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, congresswoman from Texas, Texas given a lot of

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Speaker 1: good things to the world, Jasmine Crockett now one of them.

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Speaker 1: She has become one of the leading spokespersons for the

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Speaker 1: Democrat Party. And you know her background is interesting, Buck,

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Speaker 1: because she's a little bit like the rapper. Remember back

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Speaker 1: in the day on eight Mile when Eminem goes head

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Speaker 1: to head in the rap battle.

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Speaker 2: You Buck may not remember eight.

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Speaker 1: Mile as well as I do, but he delivers the

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Speaker 2: Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen eight Mile yet in

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Speaker 2: the twenty years that it's been out against a other

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Speaker 2: rich and he went to a very high end private

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Speaker 2: schools in the Detroit area. I know this.

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Speaker 1: My wife is from the Detroit area, Cranbrook, very good school,

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Speaker 1: but very expensive school, private school, Jasmine Crockett. It turns

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Speaker 1: out Buck went to a high school that cost over

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Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars a year, and she now cause plays

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Speaker 1: as if she is someone from the streets, which raises

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Speaker 1: a lot of interesting questions about the Democrat Party. I

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Speaker 1: think in general, when you pretend to be something that

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Speaker 1: you are not in order to try to draw attention

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Speaker 1: to yourself and gain political prominence, what does it say

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Speaker 1: about her that, instead of being educated, forthright and an

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Speaker 1: advocate in some way in a public manner for what

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Speaker 1: she believes, that she would basically turn into. Remember we

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Speaker 1: played here a couple of weeks to go saying Trump

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Speaker 1: is putin's hoe that she would basically turn into a

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Speaker 1: version of herself that is not representative of how she

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Speaker 1: was raised. Well, here she is going after the governor

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Speaker 1: of Texas, Greg Abbott, and this is what she said

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier, and I believe, of all things,

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Speaker 1: a human rights event. Listen, because we in these hot

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Speaker 1: ass Texas streets, Honey, y'all know we got Governor high

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Speaker 1: wheels down there. Come on now, and the only thing

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Speaker 1: hot about him is that he is a.

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Speaker 2: Hot ass mess, honey. So yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now, I would lean into this if I were Greg Abbott.

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Speaker 1: For those of you don't know, that's an insult because

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Speaker 1: Greg Abbott is actually confined to a wheelchair because a

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Speaker 1: So when she calls him Governor hot Wheels, she's actually

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Speaker 1: insulting him because of a disability that he has, and

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Speaker 1: then she attacks.

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Speaker 2: In some way.

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Speaker 1: For those who don't know his physical appearance, the only

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Speaker 1: thing hot about him is the fact that he's a

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Speaker 1: hot mess. Is actually really good governor, I think, by

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Speaker 1: and large has been. Certainly the average Texan agrees based

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Speaker 1: on the voting returns. But to go after a guy

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Speaker 1: who's in a wheelchair by mocking the fact that he's

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Speaker 1: in a wheelchair, again, I would lean into this. If

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Speaker 1: I were Greg Abbott, I'd probably roll out in a

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Speaker 1: Governor Hot Wheels T shirt the next time that I

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Speaker 1: did a public event, because I would mock her mockery

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Speaker 1: by mocking it that way. But I do think it's

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Speaker 1: emblematic of the failure of the Democrat Party to have

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Speaker 1: a real message that ridiculing a popular statewide elected governor

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Speaker 1: of the state that you represent for being in a

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Speaker 1: wheelchair is their go to line of attack, and that

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett would be regularly on the front lines as

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Speaker 1: an outspoken advocate for the Democrat Party is frankly the

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Speaker 1: best thing I can think about for Republicans.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that she's largely a political distraction in

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Speaker 2: so far as she's never going to be uh. You know,

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Speaker 2: AOC and the squad were there was a lot of

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Speaker 2: talib And and Ilhan Omar. You know, they represented this young, diverse,

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Speaker 2: far left part of the party. But I think Clay

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Speaker 2: it was very obvious early on that AOC was the

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Speaker 2: we see that happening right now. I mean it's it's yes,

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Speaker 2: still in still in process or in progress, But she

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Speaker 2: was the only one who had aspirations of maybe being

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Speaker 2: Speaker of the House, maybe being president or she aspiration

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Speaker 2: is the wrong word, possibility. Right within the Democrat rank,

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Speaker 2: she's become, uh, you know, our friend Jesse Kelly says

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Speaker 2: she has She's no longer a street communist, right, he's

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Speaker 2: more of a organizer. I think he uses. That's a

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Speaker 2: very good term he's come up with. Right, She's no

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Speaker 2: longer street communist. She's more of a you know, pollitborough communist.

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Speaker 2: Like she's elevating herself. She can sit in the boardroom meetings,

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Speaker 2: yes exactly. She can sit there with Stalin and the

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Speaker 2: rest deciding, you know what happens to everybody. But I

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Speaker 2: think that Crockett is getting a lot of attention but

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Speaker 2: has no There's no way that she's going to find

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Speaker 2: herself in a leadership position within the Democrat Party in

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Speaker 2: my opinion. So I don't spend too much time and

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Speaker 2: saying something like like Governor hot Wheels. I don't even

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Speaker 2: think Greg Abbott cares, because I don't think that anyone

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Speaker 2: expects more from Congresswoman Crockett than that. The only thing

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Speaker 2: that upsets me is that she shares a name with

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Speaker 2: the greatest coffee company of all time, which happens to

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Speaker 2: also be named for a great American hero. It's a

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Speaker 2: great name, you know. It's a Scottish, a Scottish origin name,

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Speaker 2: which look, the crocket is Crockett. Yeah, yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: there's different spellings of it. In fact, Davies spelled his

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Speaker 2: name or there are different spellings of his name during

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Speaker 2: his life because of the sort of derivation of it

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Speaker 2: from the Scottish ishlands. Yeah, fun facts for everybody. There,

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Speaker 2: you go. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm not the kind of person who obviously a lot

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Speaker 1: of people say awful things going to shock you about

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Speaker 1: me or buck. I'm not the kind of person who

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Speaker 1: like grabs my pearls and falls onto a fainting couch.

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Speaker 1: So I wouldn't encourage. I understand some people are like,

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Speaker 1: this is beyond the pale, this is outrageous. I think

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Speaker 1: the way to deal with something like this again, if

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Speaker 1: I were giving advice to Greg Abbott would be with humor,

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Speaker 1: because Governor hot Wheels is actually kind of a funny nickname,

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Speaker 1: and you can throw it back on her by leaning

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Speaker 1: into the humor and proving that you are going to

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Speaker 1: mock her by doing so. I think that's a smart

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Speaker 1: way to attack it. But I do think that this

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Speaker 1: is emblematic of them not really having a strategy. The fact,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, the Jasmine Crockett does doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a next level right If you think about it in

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Speaker 1: a sports term, you're like, Okay, you're the kind of

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Speaker 1: boxer that can knock out somebody who's a so called

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Speaker 1: Tomata can, but you don't have heavyweight title aspirations, Like

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Speaker 1: you're kind of just a mid range guy in the

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Speaker 1: boxing world. I think that's where Jasmin Crockett is. I

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Speaker 1: think they have aspirations that AOC could be their heavyweight.

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Speaker 1: I think they think, I agree with you, that they

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Speaker 1: could elevate her. I think Chuck, this is my prediction.

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Speaker 1: I think Chuck Schumer is going to announce that he's

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Speaker 1: not going to run for reelection. Remember he won reelection

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Speaker 1: in twenty two, so he doesn't leave until twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: I think he'll announce he's not running an endorseer twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Here Chuck Schumer is like, I'm not stepping down play

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Speaker 2: twenty three. Look, I'm not stepping down. And let me

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Speaker 2: just say this.

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Speaker 4: I knew when I cast my vote against the government shutdown,

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Speaker 4: that it would be that there'd be a lot of controversy,

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Speaker 4: and there was. But I let me tell you and

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Speaker 4: your audience why I did it, why I felt was

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Speaker 4: so important. The CR was certainly bad, you know, the

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Speaker 4: continuing Resolution, but a shutdown would be fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 4: times worse. Under a shutdown, the executive branch has sole

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Speaker 4: power to determine what is quote essential, and they can

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Speaker 4: determine without any court supervision. The courts have ruled it's

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Speaker 4: solely up to the executive what to shut down. With

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Speaker 4: Musk and Doge and Trump and this guy vote, they

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Speaker 4: would eviscerate the federal government.

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Speaker 2: Clay, he's saying, I'm still the best shot that we

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Speaker 2: have for leadership on the Democrat side. As said, I'm

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Speaker 2: not stepping down, and I don't see anybody who poses.

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Speaker 2: You know, the option here would be and this is

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Speaker 2: what Bernie Sanders I think, was referring to who could

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Speaker 2: run in the Senate against Schumer from New York AOC.

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Speaker 2: But I think Democrats are very about this. Remember Bernie Clay,

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Speaker 2: this is kind of a little funny anecdote. I was

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Speaker 2: at CNN in twenty fifteen when the Democrats were running

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Speaker 2: their primary, and you know into twenty sixteen when Democrats

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Speaker 2: would say out of the side the Democrats would say,

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Speaker 2: out of the side of their mouths, man, Bernie's really

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Speaker 2: got the base and Bernie's really and then they'd go

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Speaker 2: on TV because they were scared of the Hillary apparatus

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Speaker 2: and they knew it was gonna happen to be like, well,

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Speaker 2: we know that Hillary is really Bernie's great, but Hillary,

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Speaker 2: but off there they're like, oh, man, Bernie's really where

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Speaker 2: the bases? They totally they they scammed Bernie out of

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Speaker 2: the nomination twice. And it's twice and it's because mean,

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Speaker 2: we all saw this, right, and it's because came out

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Speaker 2: in some of the Wiki League stuff. And it's all

745
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Speaker 2: because they recognized that the whole game Democrats have to

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Speaker 2: play is to be socialists who call themselves something else.

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Speaker 2: And you can't be too honest about this because you

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Speaker 2: can't win fifty one percent of the electorate if you

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Speaker 2: tell people you're actually a socialist. But with AOC do

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Speaker 2: they think that there's some new era they are entering

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Speaker 2: where they can do a rebrand I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think what's gonna happen with Schumer is Republicans if

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Speaker 1: they get the right candidates, and I think they are

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Speaker 1: are going to pick up seats.

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Speaker 2: In the Senate.

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Speaker 1: I believe in twenty twenty six, I think Georgia f

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Speaker 1: Brian Kemp the governor will run. I think that New

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Speaker 1: Hampshire if they can get Snunu is the governor right now,

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Speaker 1: right whatever the governor's name, the Republican popular governor, I

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Speaker 1: think it was him. I might have screwed up his name.

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Speaker 1: Michigan's in play. We've got multiple different states out there.

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Speaker 1: I think if I were setting over under on pickups

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Speaker 1: in the Senate, I would set it at one and

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Speaker 1: a half. I think there's a good chance that Republicans

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Speaker 1: come out at twenty twenty six in the Senate with

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Speaker 1: fifty five senators versus forty five at that point in time,

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Speaker 1: with only two years left on his term, I think

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Speaker 1: Schumer will announce this is his final term, and I

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Speaker 1: think he will set the stage for AOC to come

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Speaker 1: the Senator from New York. And to your point, Buck,

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Speaker 1: I think that will then set the table for her

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Speaker 1: to be president. Now to run for president now she

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Speaker 1: may not even want to be in the Senate because

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Speaker 1: the argument is does she need to be in the

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Speaker 1: Senate to run for president in twenty twenty eight. Remember,

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Speaker 1: everybody's running for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna have twenty five names out there. Republican side maybe

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Speaker 1: not as many because it looks like Jade Vance is

779
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Speaker 1: going to be gobbling up if things keep going well,

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Speaker 1: a lot of money and a lot of endorsements, but

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Speaker 1: the Democrat side, everybody is running.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say it. AOC is a political brand. Just

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Speaker 2: the fact that we have initials for her and everybody

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Speaker 2: knows who we're talking about. She has huge social media recognized.

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Speaker 2: This is as soon as we were talking about this,

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Speaker 2: I think was in January after Electric Class, Like, you

787
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Speaker 2: know what, I think it'll be, And occasionally I waiver

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Speaker 2: on it because she'll have such a stupid SoundBite, but

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Speaker 2: it doesn't Stupid doesn't stop you from becoming president. Look

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Speaker 2: at Joe Biden. But AOC as the media profile, and

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Speaker 2: I think increasingly Democrats view this as just an all out.

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Speaker 2: It's when I say media, I don't mean who can

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Speaker 2: get on CBS News, I mean social media, Internet recognizability,

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Speaker 2: ability to direct a news cycle, ability to kind of

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Speaker 2: capture public attention. It's really hard to win in politic

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Speaker 2: Look me, look at Trump is a is an entertainment

797
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Speaker 2: phenomenon as much as he is a political phenomenon. And

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Speaker 2: those two things I think go hand in hand. Now,

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Speaker 2: this is why I don't think somebody like you know,

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Speaker 2: people say, oh, Gretchen Whitmer. No, you know, she plays

801
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Speaker 2: well enough with Democrats in Michigan. But I just don't

802
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: think that she's She doesn't have the name, she doesn't

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Speaker 2: have the profile, she doesn't have the sizzle. If you will,

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Speaker 2: and I know some of you will laugh at me.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember who was laughing at me. But AOC

806
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Speaker 2: is a It's like she's a character in American politics.

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Speaker 2: It's different. She's not just a politics she's a politician celebrity.

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Speaker 2: She's pretty. She may clazier, she's pretty. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: I think you have to talk about cosmetic aspects. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: it matters, You're right. I just think it's funny. She's

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Speaker 2: pretty good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she is pretty, but I think she also could

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Speaker 1: have a kid. I mean, some of you are going

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Speaker 1: to laugh at some of this, but it makes she's

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Speaker 1: married now, right, If she has a kid, it makes

816
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Speaker 1: her more relatable for a lot of people out there.

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Speaker 1: I think she'll probably have kids at some point, I

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Speaker 1: would bet. And my biggest attack on her would be

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Speaker 1: I don't think she's very smart. I think she gets

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Speaker 1: exposed sometimes, and you're right that that may not matter,

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Speaker 1: but I think if she's going up against let's say, like,

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Speaker 1: I think may Or Pete has almost no chance because

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Speaker 1: he's a gay white guy, and black guys are not

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Speaker 1: going to vote for a gay white guy. But I

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Speaker 1: right Like I don't think he's a moron. Elizabeth Warren

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Speaker 1: she's too old now, but she's intelligent. There are Gavin

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Speaker 1: Newsom is evil evil Keanu Reeves, but I don't think

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Speaker 2: I think he's just an inveterate liar.

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Speaker 1: There are people I think that would expose AOC in

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Speaker 1: an intellectual game.

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Speaker 2: Again. I know I sound like and you know you

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Speaker 2: can throw whatever heat you wanted me everyone, But I

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Speaker 2: but she's cunning, and that may be enough. I just

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Speaker 2: keep an eye on it. I think a people who

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Speaker 2: which doesn't have that going for her. That is very nice.

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Speaker 2: dot com for more of that again doctor Laura dot com.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Laura, I just say it's an honor to speak

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Speaker 2: to you because I've been hearing your voice ever since

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Speaker 2: I got married because my wife is a longtime doctor

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Speaker 2: Laura listener. And let me tell you, I am very thankful.

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Speaker 2: I am very thankful for it.

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Speaker 5: Well, then she's your girlfriend.

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Speaker 2: She's the best. She's fantastic. You know. I come home

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Speaker 2: and we got married, and I came home and there's

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Speaker 2: dinner on the table and I say, honey, I want

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Speaker 2: to go to the shooting range with the guys. She says,

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Speaker 2: you need guide time. You know all these rules and lessons.

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Speaker 2: And then I found this book, their Proper Care and

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Speaker 2: Feeding of Husbands, which is dog eared and underlined and

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Speaker 2: everything else. I tell you, I got married a little

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Speaker 2: later in life, doctor Laura. So I got married around

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Speaker 2: forty I think it was forty one. And my wife

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Speaker 2: has absolutely loved my life. She's absolutely fantastic. We're about

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Speaker 2: to have a baby in a couple of weeks, so

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Speaker 2: everything is going. And I really want to have you

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Speaker 2: on in part just to thank you because and this

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Speaker 2: comes from my wife as well. I think you give

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Speaker 2: so many women such incredibly important and powerful advice for

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Speaker 2: them to have great, meaningful lives as wives, as mothers.

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Speaker 2: Is so I'm always whenever Carrie starts saying, doctor Laura says,

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Speaker 2: I start nod in my head. Yep, that's great. She

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Speaker 2: sent in my wife's so I just got to tell

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Speaker 2: you this. It's the truth. My wife sending a question

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Speaker 2: for you, and Clay's wife, Laura has a question too,

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Speaker 2: She says, Hi, doctor Laura, I'm a longtime listener and

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Speaker 2: read the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands. I also

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Speaker 2: took the online course. Your wisdom has not only made

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Speaker 2: me the wife i am today, but also led me

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Speaker 2: to find an incredible husband who adores me. Fact check true.

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Speaker 2: In a couple of weeks, we will be welcoming our

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Speaker 2: first child. We're so thrilled to grow our family. But

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Speaker 2: what is your advice for ensuring our solid and healthy

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Speaker 2: marriage stays intact after the first baby comes. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for all you do.

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Speaker 5: You don't stop having your hands all over each other.

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Speaker 5: That means when you're walking around, That means when one

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Speaker 5: of you takes a shower, maybe we could, you know,

918
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Speaker 5: save on water, we could both be in the shower.

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Speaker 5: It's really the physicality and the silliness. Everybody thinks it's

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Speaker 5: got to be marital therapy and heavy duty conversations, which

921
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Speaker 5: you and I both know. Guys, don't enjoy. So the

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Speaker 5: more physical you are with each other and the more

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Speaker 5: cute you are with each other, that's really all you need.

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Speaker 2: I love it. That's really good advice.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't even know what my wife has sent in,

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Speaker 1: but there is audio. She went and used the app

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Speaker 1: and then she needed more space, so she said, just give.

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Speaker 2: Context for how long? How long have you been married?

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Speaker 2: Tell doctor Laura how Yeah, so I've been married man

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Speaker 2: twenty one years, will be August. So I've been married

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Speaker 2: over twenty years now. We have three boys, seventeen, fourteen,

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Speaker 2: and ten year old. And here is what my wife,

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Speaker 2: Lara wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 6: Listen, Clay and I are parents of boys, and thus

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Speaker 6: far I think we have weathered adolescents fairly well. However,

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Speaker 6: some of our friends who have daughters, their experiences, the

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Speaker 6: way they talk about it sound very different. In fact,

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Speaker 6: some of them say raising daughters through adolescents is a

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Speaker 6: complete nightmare. I have a friend this morning tell me

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Speaker 6: that she feels she's coming home to a bag of

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Speaker 6: snakes every day when she comes home to her adolescent daughters,

942
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Speaker 6: which is funny but harsh. So, in general, do you

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Speaker 6: have some great advice for parents going through adolescence with

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Speaker 6: their children. Obviously the children are going through adolescents. And

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Speaker 6: do you have different advice for parents of girls weathering

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Speaker 6: adolescents versus parents of boys weathering adolescence.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, I thought you were just going to have

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Speaker 5: me on for a few minutes.

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Speaker 2: That's going to.

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Speaker 5: Take me about half an hour to get through. Let

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Speaker 5: me try to bring it down number one, whether it's

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Speaker 5: a boy or a girl, that it's a tight family

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Speaker 5: that does things together, that is sweet with each other.

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Speaker 5: That the father spends time with the daughter, the father

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Speaker 5: spends time with the son, the mother spends time and

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Speaker 5: the family is always together for dinner if they have

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Speaker 5: to go do sports.

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Speaker 2: Things or what have you.

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Speaker 5: That you know, that's a very important part of the family.

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Speaker 5: People keep divvying it up. Yeah, there are differences in

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Speaker 5: how you raise girls from boys, and I'd have to

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Speaker 5: come back another time to go through that. But the

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Speaker 5: first and foremost thing, just like I spoke about husbands

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Speaker 5: and wives in the physical and the cuteness, the I

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Speaker 5: was with a family and I thought, and I talked

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Speaker 5: about them on my air, that this was the best

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Speaker 5: family I had seen in decades. Anytime anybody got something,

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Speaker 5: may I would you send me?

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Speaker 2: Could I have?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Please?

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Everybody was so concerned and polite to one another.

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Speaker 5: That is not something that families do. You have two

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Speaker 5: career families. You have all kinds of other stuff going

975
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Speaker 5: on in the house, and it's not a family, it's

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Speaker 5: mother and father and kids. But when it's a family,

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Speaker 5: when people are always saying please and thank you and

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Speaker 5: show concerned for each other and discipline and kind ways

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Speaker 5: with understanding and compassion, you'd be surprised how it minimizes

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Speaker 5: how crazy it gets. And also take your kids out

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Speaker 5: of public school.

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Speaker 2: Wow, doctor Laurie, We're definitely going to have to have

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Speaker 2: you back, and I'm really looking forward to all the

984
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Speaker 2: questions and comments we're gonna get from the audience about

985
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Speaker 2: you coming on and just beginning this arc of wisdom.

986
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Speaker 2: And like I said, as a husband and a very

987
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Speaker 2: happy husband who does completely adore his wife, and I

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Speaker 2: you know, it's so important that I think women get

989
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Speaker 2: a lot of the messaging and men and men, but

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Speaker 2: that we both get a lot of the messaging that

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Speaker 2: you're putting out there. And I wanted you to address

992
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Speaker 2: something that's more just sort of general for the country

993
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Speaker 2: right now. You know, we talk here about politics and

994
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Speaker 2: national security and education, all these different things, but the

995
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Speaker 2: importance of family and marriage is central. Should be central,

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Speaker 2: Maybe should be is a better word these days. You know,

997
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: there's a story just out today and it says and

998
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Speaker 2: that the headline is American women are giving up on marriage,

999
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 2: and one of the lines from it as American women

1000
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Speaker 2: have never been this resigned to staying signal single. They

1001
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Speaker 2: are responding to major demographic shifts, including huge and growing

1002
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Speaker 2: gender gaps in economic and education attainment, and beliefs about

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Speaker 2: what a family should look like. What is going on

1004
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Speaker 2: and how do we fix it?

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Speaker 5: Not enough fathers in the home raising sons to be

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Speaker 5: men of honor and courage and principle. And that's basically again,

1007
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Speaker 5: the women have gone through the feminist thing where men

1008
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Speaker 5: are the evil empire and all this negativity toward masculinity.

1009
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Speaker 5: It's all toxic. I think it's wonderful. Give me a

1010
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 5: guy with the cowboy hat and boots, and I pay

1011
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 5: attention because there's a sense that there's a strength there.

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Speaker 5: And women like to feel protected. That's probably the number

1013
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Speaker 5: one thing women don't admit they want to feel protected.

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Speaker 5: And that's why they like those silly books where there's

1015
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 5: this ripped guy on the cover and she's being carried

1016
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 5: you into safety. Why do they read those things at

1017
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 5: such large amounts Because ultimately, as smart and incompetent as

1018
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 5: we can be, we want to be protected. And men

1019
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 5: have not been brought up to be that anymore.

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Speaker 2: Are you more?

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Speaker 1: You've been doing this for fifty years, and Buck just

1022
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: laid out. A marriage is becoming less common. A lot

1023
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: of men are not present in homes. Unfortunately, the overall

1024
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: birth rate in many Western civilizations is collapsing. Are you

1025
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: more or less optimistic about the future of the family

1026
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 1: unit today than when you started? How would you analyze

1027
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: the scope of relationship that you've seen over fifty years.

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00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

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00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 5: No, I was more optimistic than that. I am now

1030
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 5: because there have been so many forces. We have, like

1031
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 5: one or two generations now I think are lost. These

1032
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 5: are young people who are not being brought up that

1033
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 5: you finished school and you aim to be in do things,

1034
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 5: and you make a family and you raise kids and

1035
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 5: you have communities. And that was how I was brought up,

1036
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 5: and it was all this optimism. Now you have throngs

1037
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 5: of kids who have no idea where they can go

1038
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 5: and what they can be, and so they get involved

1039
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 5: in all of these cliques like non binary, and you know,

1040
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: I belong now to a group of people who are

1041
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 5: equally lost and don't have an identity and don't have

1042
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 5: a direction and don't have a sense of self other

1043
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 5: than I can belong to this community. It's like what

1044
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 5: we used to look at with groupies with rock stars.

1045
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 5: This is what's happening. So I'm worried. Be honest with you,

1046
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 5: I'm worried.

1047
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Speaker 2: But the one little.

1048
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Speaker 5: Piece of optimism I have is I'm still here. People

1049
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 5: are still calling. Somebody wants the help to pull it

1050
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 5: back together again and make life meaningful in something you

1051
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 5: can feel comfortable and safe with and productive and loving

1052
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 5: and reach all of that. So as long as I

1053
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: still get that response, I keep my optimism up.

1054
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Speaker 1: That's a great line. You just laid out some of

1055
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 1: the challenges. How much do you think it has to

1056
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: do with kids getting phones too young? What advice would

1057
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: you give parents out there? My wife asked a question

1058
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: about adolescens, but what advice would you give to parents

1059
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: about social media and about what they allow their kids

1060
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: to be exposed to, particularly on the internet.

1061
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 5: Well, everybody tells me I'm insane to think. You know,

1062
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 5: you can push up against a tsunami, but it takes

1063
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 5: just everybody lining up. I tell people that they're irresponsible

1064
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 5: parents if they give smartphones to their kids, any minor

1065
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 5: child period. Get them a flip phone that takes calls.

1066
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 6: That's it.

1067
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 5: No texting, no Internet. And instead of spending one's time

1068
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 5: with screens, how about we actually have families that do

1069
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 5: stuff together. I mean, my kid was talk about a

1070
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 5: screen though. We would watch Law and Order as a

1071
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 5: whole family, and then we would sit here and we

1072
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 5: would go I think he did it.

1073
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 2: No, I think she did it.

1074
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Speaker 5: And so it was all of this thinking through using

1075
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 5: pieces of information. And I just read today that our

1076
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: children are really suffering the inability to have fine motor

1077
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 5: skills because they're not playing with crayons, they're not playing

1078
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Speaker 5: with scissors, They're just sitting there like that. And so

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Speaker 5: we're actually losing physicality. I mean, is that not shocking.

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Speaker 2: It's it's amazing. And we think about all the influences

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Speaker 2: that are on kids these days and what they're being

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Speaker 2: told and how I think a lot of them are

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Speaker 2: being set up for misery. I mean, doctor Laura, you know,

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Speaker 2: yes you have. I agree. The metrics these days, and

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Speaker 2: the metrics for young women in particular in terms of

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Speaker 2: happiness self describe happiness. It's terrifying in terms of how

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Speaker 2: bad it is. How do we start? Oh yeah, turn again.

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Speaker 2: You're going up against the tsunami. But how do we

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Speaker 2: start to turn that around?

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Speaker 5: Well, I just it popped into my head as you

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Speaker 5: were asking me the question. Look at all the very

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Speaker 5: intelligent and very attractive women that are now in positions

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Speaker 5: of power in our government. I am so enthralled with that.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's wonderful for young women to have

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00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 5: something to aspire to keep my act clean. No more

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00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,439
Speaker 5: shacking up, using drugs, this and that and the other thing.

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Speaker 5: I want to be like that lady who's now running

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Speaker 5: the whatever it is. So having role models like that,

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Speaker 5: you know, I have people calling who say I was

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00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,880
Speaker 5: in a car seat in the back of my parents'

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00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 5: car listening to you, and now I have kids and

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Speaker 5: I'm using what I've learned. So anytime you can be

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Speaker 5: a positive influence.

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Speaker 2: Do it. My wife makes fun of me because I

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Speaker 2: just always sit there in the car when she turns

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Speaker 2: you on, just like doctor Laura's right. So I'm telling

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Speaker 2: you this. I was like, we have to have doctor

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Speaker 2: Lauren's like doctor Laura's right, and carry looks. She goes, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I know, Clay, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, and we appreciate your time. And

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Speaker 1: you're certainly a radio legend. You've been so influential for

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Speaker 1: so long when the modern era, Like I was reading

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Speaker 1: the other day, the number of successful women that are

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Speaker 1: choosing to go find a sperm donor to have a

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Speaker 1: child with instead of an actual man is staggering to me.

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Speaker 1: What kind of world experiences me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, I wanted to get your.

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Speaker 5: Ta me makes me angry because kids need a dad.

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Speaker 5: And I just say to these women, oh that's not well.

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Speaker 5: I have money and I can take care of me.

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Speaker 2: I don't care about that.

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Speaker 5: You had a mommy and a daddy, and I'm sure

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Speaker 5: that meant something to you. Now you're going to rob

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Speaker 5: a kit of a dad because it's convenient for you

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Speaker 5: not to commit and give of yourself and be vulnerable

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Speaker 5: to another human being and be invested in each other's

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Speaker 5: lives beautifully. That's a real shame. That's a real shame.

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Speaker 5: That is so selfish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like it. Doctor Laura. We gotta have

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Speaker 2: we gotta have you back, because you know, for you

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Speaker 2: to solve all problems of relationships and family and shirt

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Speaker 2: child rearing in about ten minutes is asking a lot.

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Speaker 2: But you didn't know a remarkable job. Guys. There's so

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Speaker 2: many books. I mean, the Proper Care and Feeding of Husbands.

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Speaker 2: I've actually got Carrie's very dog eared and underlined copy

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Speaker 2: in my hand, a great book. And go to doctor

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Speaker 2: Laura dot com because she's doing some great charity work too.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Laura, we'd love to have you back, and thanks

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Speaker 2: for being here.

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Speaker 5: I would love it. Thank you, guys, and I love

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Speaker 5: listening to you too.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you so much. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: I like that. That's right, that's how we do it.

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