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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: Never Told You production off I Heart Radio. Well y'all,

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Speaker 1: it's been a rough couple of well, I guess years

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Speaker 1: talk about two amazing activists who have and are working

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Speaker 1: Are you ready, Annie, I am so ready. Let's go. So.

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Speaker 1: Dr Grace Kodendo was born in the South of Chad

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Speaker 1: received a grant from the Canadian government to study medicine

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Speaker 1: at the Universe's Day Dave Montreal. Thank you Annie for

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Speaker 1: the assistance. She continued in her medical studies focusing on

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Speaker 1: gynecology while studying in Sudan. She soon started returning back

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Speaker 1: to her country in Chad after receiving another grant from

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Speaker 1: the government of France to work on reducing the infant

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Speaker 1: mortality rate in nine and at that time it was

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Speaker 1: one of the highest in the world, averaging eight hundred

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Speaker 1: you were wondering. Condendo continued working with the women and

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Speaker 1: and her amazing work the attention of other professionals in

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Speaker 1: to fight against female genital mutilation as well as continuing

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Speaker 1: She has been organized for her courageous works, including the

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Speaker 1: I did not Annie, I did not know. She is

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Speaker 1: she has become a pioneer for reproductive justice. Has become

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