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Speaker 1: Cool media.

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Speaker 2: This is It could Happen Here a show about things

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Speaker 2: falling apart, and this episode is about the people who

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Speaker 2: want to make it being the United States fall apart

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Speaker 2: even faster, allowing them to install a white s parremacist

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Speaker 2: ethno state, though it kind of feels like that's pretty

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Speaker 2: much already happening. This episode is also about the people

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Speaker 2: in government who categorize and classify want to be terrorists,

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Speaker 2: who want the country to collapse faster, and what these

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Speaker 2: changes in categorization methods can tell us about the future

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Speaker 2: of the country. I'm Garrison Davison today I'm joined by

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Speaker 2: a very special guest, philosopher and comedian Michael Burns of

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Speaker 2: the YouTube channel Michael o'burns and formerly wiscrack rip.

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Speaker 3: How you doing pretty good, you know, besides living in

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Speaker 3: the world that you just described past that everything's going great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of been my mood the past three months,

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Speaker 2: maybe longer. There's a tad, a tad like liminality. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's just like living in denial

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Speaker 2: and trying to cope. But hey, you know what's wrong

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Speaker 2: with a little bit of coping.

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Speaker 3: Especially if it helps one simply survive these times. So

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Speaker 3: you know, I encourage a healthy dose of of coping

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Speaker 3: or sort of a you know, mental bifurcation, if that's

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Speaker 3: what we need to do to get up in the

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Speaker 3: morning and get through it all.

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Speaker 4: Yay.

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Speaker 2: Now, Unfortunately, this episode that I have prepared today is

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Speaker 2: uh not a super cheery one for you, Michael, which

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Speaker 2: is which is maybe kind of kind of appropriate because

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Speaker 2: the reason why I have you on this episode today

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Speaker 2: is because the FBI and the Department of Justice have

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Speaker 2: come up with a new terrorism classification acronym which name

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Speaker 2: drops the internet's favorite and sometimes least favorite philosophy, nihilism.

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Speaker 2: They're they're calling these guys nihilistic violent extremists. Oh boy,

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Speaker 2: we will, we will get into this. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to give like a philosophy one oh one definition of nihilism?

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Speaker 2: A super well known and universally agreed upon term that

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's not confusing it at all.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean I think the root of it,

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Speaker 3: At least that's a common reference point. And when Nietzsche

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Speaker 3: is talking about nihilism, especially in a book like The

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Speaker 3: The reason he says it creates nihilism is because people

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Speaker 3: care more about Heaven than they do about earth. They

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Speaker 3: care more about the life they're going to have an

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Speaker 3: So for him, it's like this devaluement of life that happens.

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Speaker 4: If your Christianity.

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Speaker 3: More broadly speaking, nihilism has a I guess more positive usage,

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Speaker 3: which is the you know, disbelief in the inherent or

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Speaker 2: System like in like the existential sense.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you kind of have this this distinction, and

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Speaker 3: some people use of positive and negative nihilism, and to

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Speaker 3: be really crass and simple here, negative nihilism is nothing

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Speaker 3: gonna hang out and do whatever. Positive nihilism is there's

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Speaker 3: no inherent meaning in reality, but cool. Now, me and

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Speaker 3: the homies can construct meaning as we see fit, which

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Speaker 3: is more like the existentialist response, We're going to create

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Speaker 2: And I'm not sure how much the FBI agents who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think there's the sense in which

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Speaker 3: version of nihilism, which just means like people that think

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Speaker 3: reeks a little bit of like big Lebowski nihilism for totally,

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Speaker 3: it seems like the FBI is operating with, like people

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Speaker 2: Correct, and that's what they're really honing in on. I

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Speaker 2: will read an expanded definition of of nihilistic violent extremism.

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Speaker 2: This is This is from a Federal court filing and

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Speaker 2: dated March eighteenth, twenty twenty five. Nihilist violent extremists are

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Speaker 2: individuals to engage in criminal conduct within the United States

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Speaker 2: that derive primarily from a hatred of society at large

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Speaker 2: indiscriminate chaos, destruction, and social instability. Nihlis violent extremists work

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Speaker 2: populations across the United States and the globe. They frequently

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Speaker 2: desensitize them to violence, among other things, breaking down societal

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Speaker 2: being used in place of two previous FBI terrorism categories.

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Speaker 2: anti government or anti authority violent extremism. This threatet ncompasses

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Speaker 3: Can I say something that stood out to me about

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Speaker 3: like the very first definition you give that nihilism is

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Speaker 2: The hatred of society and wanting to collapse it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess there's just like this negativity associated with

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Speaker 3: to like some very dark stuff in terms of like radicalization.

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Speaker 3: That seemed like there was a reference towards like a

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Speaker 2: Child sexual abust materials. Yeah, come up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's just not a connection that I think would be

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Speaker 2: Totally, because there is like political nihilists and like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but which is still a far cry from believing

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Speaker 3: vulnerable populations. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's a sense in which

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Speaker 2: That's actually what they're going for. And I have I

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of in a rock and a hard place

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Speaker 2: the other term that the FBI is probably seeking to replace,

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Speaker 2: at least in part with this new nihilism definition is

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Speaker 2: racially or ethnically motivated violent extremism. Right, this is like

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Speaker 2: Racially or ethnically motivated Violet extreamists purported to use both

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Speaker 2: political and religious justifications to support their racially or ethnically

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Speaker 2: violent extremism, which I'm just going to say agave, which

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Speaker 2: is the acronym, which does make me a little bit

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Speaker 2: hungry for a glucose syrup, but it's fine. Now, there's

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Speaker 2: been some reporting that state agave is specifically like a

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Speaker 2: Biden era term, but it actually like predates the Biden

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Speaker 2: presidency and was in use under Trump. In fact, a

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Speaker 2: lot of the internal FBI reforms that are being reported

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Speaker 2: gruesome act of violence in Wisconsin last month. All right,

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Speaker 2: we are back. I'm gonna get more into how the

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Speaker 2: government is using this term and like what they are

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Speaker 2: applying it to, what they're applying the nihilist of violent

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Speaker 2: extremism labeled to. Earlier this year, a Wisconsin team mal

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Speaker 2: Nikota Cassup killed his parents in an attempt to gain

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Speaker 2: We also have a reference to quote unquote accelerationism here,

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Speaker 2: my telegram user name, Accelerationists fourteen nihilis. I sent a message,

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Speaker 2: The FBI personnel performing the preliminary review saw images of

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Speaker 2: a three page document titled Accelerate the Collapse. The images

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Speaker 2: Unquote not that possible since he's arrested and did not

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Speaker 2: He also recommends the writings of former Adam Waffen, members

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Speaker 3: Well, that is it's so shocking hearing all this as

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Speaker 4: It's like, you guys won you know, accept it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you download due lingo after you do that.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. He had plans to meet up

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Speaker 2: a country. Do you know what else is unfortunate? Michael?

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Speaker 4: Oh no, what what's that?

433
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: Having to pivot to ads actually necessary evil.

434
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 4: It's way better than killing your parents.

435
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 2: Uh yes, yes, I will go on record. I will

436
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: go on record, eat me, get aboard. Sorry, I love ads. Actually,

437
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 2: as it heads up, the next section will reference online

438
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Speaker 2: exploitation and child sexual abuse material. All right, we are back.

439
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Let's get more depressing. Unfortunately, but I think we will

440
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: find a way to turn this around. Well, not like

441
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 2: in an optimistic way, but in a way that it's

442
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 2: like useful. Well, we'll learn something together. So at the

443
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: end of this section of this complaint that attempts to

444
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: just describe Cassip's collapse driven political ideology is the appearance

445
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: of this new term, nihilistic violent extremists. Right now. This

446
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: was actually the second time this term has appeared in

447
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: court documents. The earliest appearance of this term was in

448
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: a March sentencing memo for a child sexual abuse material

449
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 2: case first filed in November twenty twenty four, which was

450
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: linked to the seven six' four child extortion and exploitation.

451
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,919
Speaker 2: Network Ken, kleppenstein who first reported on the use of

452
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: the nihilism, term missed this first appearance and attributed the

453
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: origin to the cassup. Case, michael are you similarly unfortunate

454
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 2: enough to be aware of seven six?

455
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 3: Four this is another one where my brain is more pure.

456
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,480
Speaker 3: THAN yours i guess at this point three day have to,

457
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 3: get ruined so let's still let's.

458
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 2: Do, IT yeah i mean it has been for a lot.

459
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: Of People like i've been doing like, extremism Research and

460
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 2: i've been aware of these guys for about. Four YEARS

461
00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 2: the fbi think first did their public announcement like warning

462
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: parents about this in twenty. Twenty three seven six four

463
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 2: is like a network of groups that operate either, On,

464
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Discord telegram instagram social. Media apps they're kind of inspired

465
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 2: by some ASPECTS of OZ, nine a but they are

466
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: much more focused on the production and distribution of child

467
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: sexual abuse materials and trying to manipulate groom and like

468
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: blackmail and extort miners into producing. THIS material a lot

469
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 2: of it's done by other, Miners too like a lot

470
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 2: of this is teens targeting, other teens with adults kind

471
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 2: of helping this. Process along it's a pretty. Big problem

472
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: there's been some good reporting on It in Wired And

473
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,680
Speaker 2: the guardian the past, few years if you want to. Read,

474
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 2: more Now this march sentencing memo for the seven six

475
00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: four case describes seven six four and related groups as

476
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 2: quote nihilist violent extremists who engage in criminal conduct Within

477
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: The united states and engage with other. Extremists abroad seven

478
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: six to Four networks accelerationist goals include social unrest in

479
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 2: the downfall of the current, world order Including The united.

480
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 2: States government members of seven six four work in concert

481
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: with one another towards a common purpose of destroying civilized

482
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: society through the corruption and exploitation of, vulnerable populations. Including,

483
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: MINORS now i think this this definition may be a bit,

484
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 2: too generalizing but it's. Not incorrect, like this this is

485
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: correct in what the explicit goals of this, group are

486
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: maybe not just every individual member of. This GROUP but

487
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 2: i think it would be a mistake to kind of

488
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: dismiss this definition as, outlandishly, Grandiose right it kind of

489
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: it calls into like my, you know like, conspiracy theory,

490
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 2: like framing because it sounds very like extravagant, and complicated

491
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: and it kind, of is but it's also it's also,

492
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: like simple it's it's people trying to automate the process

493
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 2: of producing and distributing. Illegal MATERIALS but i do believe

494
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: it is a mistake to completely, dismiss this both in

495
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 2: terms of like the government trying to ascribe political motive

496
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 2: for the distribution of, these materials and also the ideological

497
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: justifications held by some members of. These groups now there

498
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: have been two more seven six four Cases from april

499
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five that have used the nihilist of

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00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 2: violent extremism designation in. Court, documents now part of kind

501
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,719
Speaker 2: of the struggle with, this is Like ken, kleinpenstein, reported

502
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: quote it sounds to me like some demented philosophical justification

503
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 2: for just being, a pedophile and like, It is but

504
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean the political motivations shouldn't, be discounted because

505
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: those motivations impact how, they operate how these, groups spread

506
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: which targets, they pick and other political actions members, might

507
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 2: take like mass shootings targeting, racial MINORITIES targeting. Lgbtq individuals,

508
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: SO yeah i get this is kind OF why i

509
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: pushed back a little bit on this kind of dismissive

510
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: tone towards this, like larger almost conspiratorial kind of matrix

511
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: put onto groups like seven. Six, four now part of

512
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: the tricky thing with use of this new nihilism term

513
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 2: is that it's being used to rope in a variety

514
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: of horrific incidents under a singular. Nebulous, Category right so

515
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: let's take the Case.

516
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 3: Of.

517
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: Cassup Here cass up that the guy who killed his

518
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: parents in a plot to Collapse The united states is

519
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: a relatively bog standard Like neo nazi accelerationist with seemingly

520
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: no direct ties to seven to six four activity besides

521
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 2: an INTEREST in O, nine a which was just one

522
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: of the inspirations that influenced seven sixty four as it

523
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 2: evolved into its own complex machine about five. Years Ago

524
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 2: but cassup openly admitted to being Radicalized by nazism and

525
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 2: the white power, movement online and yet in his criminal

526
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: complaint contains an expanded version of the nihilist violent, extremism

527
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: definition which is literally copy and pasted from a child

528
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: sexual abuse material sentencing memo from five, days before so

529
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 2: they just used the same thing despite it not really applying.

530
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Reading quote individuals are, targeted online often through synchronized. Group

531
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: chats nihilist violent extremists frequently conduct coordinated extortions of individuals

532
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: by blackmailing them so they comply with demands of. The

533
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: network these demands vary, and include but are not, limited

534
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 2: to self mutilation online or, in person, sexual acts harms, to,

535
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: animals sex sexual exploitation of siblings, and others acts, of

536
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 2: violence threats, of, violence suicide, and murder so very very.

537
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: Dark stuff the definition goes on to state how vulnerable

538
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: individuals are targeted and members of the group attempt to

539
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: gain notoriety throughout the network and spread fear among those

540
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: targeted individuals for the purpose of accelerating the downfall of

541
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: society and otherwise achieving the goal of nihilist. Violent extremists

542
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: so while that does accurately describe groups like seven to,

543
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 2: six four it doesn't really relate to the Case. Of

544
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 2: kassap it's tricky because a lot of these seven six

545
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 2: four guys Are, also nazis and a Lot of nazis are.

546
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: Also pedophiles some of these guys start off as like

547
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: evil occultic pedophiles who Associate with nazism because it's a

548
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: pretty universal symbol. Of evil and sometimes it's the vice

549
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: versa where they start off as like An anti semitic,

550
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: right Winger a nazi Or, a fascist who then associate

551
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 2: with this weird pedo occult stuff for variety of reasons,

552
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: like spiritual perverted pleasure or tactical, network building and usually

553
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: usually it's, A mix, klippenstein. Writes quote the Warrant alleges

554
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: castip was in touch With the Order Of, nine Angles

555
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 2: a Satanic neo nazi group that, espouses accelerationism a fancy

556
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: word for the belief that destabilizing the social order allows for.

557
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: Radical change that is pretty heady stuff to ascribe to

558
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 2: a seventeen year old and ends up having the feeling

559
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: of an episode of altered. Carbon UNQUOTE and i kind

560
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 2: of like reject this, Dismissive, framing, like no these seventeen

561
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: year olds are thinking, About this they are getting convinced

562
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: of this. Material online that is the motivation for this

563
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 2: isn't like a science. Fiction thing this is real and

564
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 2: it's pretty common among like extremists. This age there's a

565
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: lot of young teenage. Male extremists that's kind of their,

566
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,479
Speaker 2: main demographic and this type of stuff, Is, popular like

567
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 2: this is at least popular within this small group. Of extremists,

568
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: so yeah it is a little, bit heady but this

569
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: is what they are genuinely thinking. About it it's not

570
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: incorrect to like ascribe that. To them cassup openly admitted

571
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: to this, connection well and.

572
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: To even speak to the flip side.

573
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: Of that, you know over the years making philosophy stuff,

574
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 3: On YouTube i've gotten in touch with people who reached

575
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 3: out to, be, Like oh i've been watching stuff since

576
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: high SCHOOL when i was, LIKE fifteen i was watching

577
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: these like philosophy YouTube videos on heady ideas and. Reading

578
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 3: stuff so, LIKE me i was one of. These, people

579
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: yeah there's like young folks out there who take big

580
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 3: ideas very seriously and they have more absolute less than

581
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 3: ever of. These things so it doesn't and it doesn't

582
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: shock me at all that some teen could go down

583
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: that rabbit hole or even could start reading Like A

584
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: kurtis Jarvin Or nick land and going down those rabbit holes,

585
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: and stuff especially now that some of these people are,

586
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: you know put on Like The New york.

587
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 4: Times and stuff.

588
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 3: Like that, so exactly it seems weird to. DISMISS that

589
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: i can understand the impulse to be like this just

590
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: seems like a, very stupid evil. Teen, kid totally it

591
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 3: seems just, As plausible like you're pointing out that there

592
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: could be an actual engagement, with ideas and that's it's

593
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: important to recognize that because anymore to get at the

594
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: root of.

595
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: That exactly, and like these people aren't necessarily like philosophical

596
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: nihilists or, existential nihilists but they could be interpreted as

597
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,479
Speaker 2: reacting to a general like passive nihilistic culture with this

598
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: form of like pseudo, political nihilism this attempt at like,

599
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: social negation like total. Systems collapse but even still they

600
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: aren't totally, political nihilists since they have a very clear

601
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: system of hierarchy that they want the current world order.

602
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: Replaced with though these individuals may be seen as like

603
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 2: victims of nihilism and like in like in Like the. Nietzschean,

604
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 2: sense now like my main problem with the nihilist violent

605
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: extremism term is that it's so depoliticized and like in

606
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: a way that's rife for. Political abuse this term can

607
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: be used to cover what the government deems as violence

608
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: stemming from like apathy from frustration, with society as well

609
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 2: as like anti tech or anti. Civilization politics and this

610
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: is all coming from like. Top down at The New

611
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 2: federal Bureau. Of investigation, For Years cash pattel has closely

612
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,240
Speaker 2: associated with Q. And on has helped the legal defense

613
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 2: Campaigns for january, sixth insurrectionists Which Included, Proud, boys oathkeepers Since,

614
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: three percenters and now as head OF, the fbi HE'S

615
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 2: investigating fbi agents who Worked those january. Sixth Cases, joe

616
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 2: kent the new director Of the National Counter, terrorism center

617
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,720
Speaker 2: has made media Appearances With nick fuentes And neo Nazi YouTuber.

618
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: David carlson He Hired proud boys to consult in his failed,

619
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: congressional campaign and his Friends With patriot Prayer Leader. Joey

620
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: gibson kent has repeatedly called FOR the fbi To. Investigate

621
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 2: antifa the co founder Of The Global project against Hat,

622
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: And Extremism, heidi barrick has Said THAT patel's QAnon Links

623
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 2: and Deputy Director dan bongino's public conspiracism and bigotry make

624
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: taking the threat of far right extremism qute unquote impossible

625
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 2: for these. Two men, she, SAYS quote i think it

626
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 2: makes it very unlikely that the far right will continue

627
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: to be seen as the threat it actually is in

628
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: terms of hate crimes and. Domestic terrorism all this marks

629
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 2: a huge departure from The first, trump administration where THE

630
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: the fbi for the first time declared wise premacy the

631
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: country's greatest domestic. Terrorism threat facts about violence and its

632
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: perpetuators probably won't matter this, time. Around unquote and these

633
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: changes are already. Taking place an old counter terrorism strategy

634
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: guide was removed From The white house Website. IN january

635
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: A current fbi agent was Quoted In vanity, fairs, saying

636
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: quote the key is The Domestic Intelligence. Operations guide if they,

637
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: Change that patel will be able to shift domestic terrorism

638
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: investigations away from the accelerationists and the right wing street

639
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: fighters and towards THINGS like Blm and. Antifa unquote patel

640
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: has Cut The Domestic terrorism office staffing and reassigned agents and,

641
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 2: intelligence analysts with NEW senior fbi officials reportedly considering to

642
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 2: disband the entire domestic terrorism. Operations section, in ADDITION the

643
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 2: fbi has discontinued their previous Domestic terrorism, tracking tool where

644
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 2: they take relevant investigations to identify and track trends for

645
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: terrorism probes across. The country sources for Outlet's like reuters

646
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 2: say that changes to the agency will reduce counter terrorism

647
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 2: operations against far right and racially motivated the creamists. And Militias,

648
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: jacob ware a domestic terrorism expert At the Council On,

649
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: foreign Relations told, reuter's quote there is a, BROADER desire

650
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 2: i think within the administration to at best ignore data

651
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 2: and put their head in, the sand and at worst

652
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: to realign resources away from this. BATTLE unquote a Spokesperson

653
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: For higher Representative Of jim Jordan told reuters that the

654
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: termination of the domestic terrorism tracking tool is a quote

655
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 2: great step in the right direction of RETURNING the fbi

656
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: to its primary crime fighting. Mission Unquote representative jordan previously

657
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: in twenty, twenty three ran a congressional panel that ALLEGED

658
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 2: the fbi terrorism case tagging tool was being improperly used to.

659
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,240
Speaker 2: Target Conservatives after, january sixth THREE former fbi agents testified

660
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: At the republican, led panel and two of those former

661
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: agents admitted to being Paid, by patel who at the

662
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: time was not director OF. The fbi he was just

663
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: a right. Winger influencer after being kicked out of the

664
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 2: government after The first, trump administration we've also Seen The

665
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 2: Joint Terrorism task force largely shift their efforts towards, immigration

666
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: ENFORCEMENT helping ice, with deportations and the so called Wave of.

667
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 2: Tesla terrorism and like the other thing is that this

668
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: new nihilist violent extremism term isn't just REPLACING. A gave

669
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 2: it's not just replacing the anti government or anti authority

670
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: of violent extremism BECAUSE the agave term itself has, three

671
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 2: subcategories as referenced TO an fbi document that outlines domestic

672
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: terrorist activity from twenty fifteen to, twenty nineteen this includes

673
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: a militia, violent extremists anarchists, violent extremists and sovereign citizen.

674
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: Violent extremists and even in addition to, those three there's

675
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 2: actually a newer subclassification from twenty twenty three CALLED a,

676
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: gave other which really isn't a great term. At all

677
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: this is the problem with trying to use these like

678
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: tracking and tagging tools is that they can get. Very

679
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 2: convoluted but now they've seemingly collapsed all of these and

680
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: are just using the.

681
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 5: Term nihilism so would, you, say like when you bring

682
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: Up the, tesla example is one of to be very,

683
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: reductive here the big risks at play that like someone

684
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 5: Who starts tesla on fire or causes some damage At

685
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 5: a tesla dealership largely for the motivation of trying to

686
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 5: stick It To elon musk or something like that gets

687
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 5: classified in a way BY the fbi that is similar

688
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 5: to some of the folks you have previously talked about exactly.

689
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: Doing things that most rational humans could agree are deeply

690
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 3: more insidious than like set a car.

691
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: On fire they can frame this as like a rejection. Of,

692
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: society yeah the. Same way like there's been talk that

693
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: they're going to try to use this label to explain

694
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: Cases Like UNITED, healthcare ceo shooting, of ars Attack At josh.

695
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: Shapiro's house they're going to be using this term to

696
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 2: apply to kind of any act that they see is

697
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 2: like a contrary to like society and civilization and anything

698
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 2: that's stemming from frustration. With society and that's that's a.

699
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: Huge problem and in, doing so they're shifting focus away

700
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: from right wing militias who do the majority of like actual.

701
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: Lethal violence when these reports from like the past five years,

702
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: talk about, you know militia, violent extremism it talks about

703
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: how there is an increase to lethal threat from these

704
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: militias to law enforcement and government personnel due to factors

705
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 2: related to grievances from the perceptions of fraud in the twenty,

706
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 2: twenty election government measures RELATED to covid nineteen and legislation

707
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: to restrict firearms or expand immigration or manage. Public land

708
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 2: and these are the people that do the vast majority

709
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 2: of planned attacks or. Executed attacks this report between twenty

710
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: three outlines two attempted bombings by militia violenctreamists in early twenty,

711
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: twenty one one by an individual targeted against data center

712
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 2: thought to provide services TO the FBI, and cia the

713
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 2: author by two people against A State democratic party Headquarters, In,

714
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: sacramento california as well as the quote unquote do dozens

715
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 2: of militia violenctaramists arrested for their Involvement in. January sixth

716
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: so even though we're going to take the gas off

717
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: of groups like those as well as as racially motivated,

718
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: violent creamists this definition can still include a lot of

719
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 2: like anarchist, violent creamists WHICH the fbi admits in a

720
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three report are most likely to engage in

721
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 2: non lethal criminal activity and just impact law.

722
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 3: Enforcement, operations yeah it makes me think of like climate activism,

723
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 3: as well and, you know the work of those in

724
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: the climate community that call for like the destruction of

725
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: equipment and not the harm of human. LIFE totally, i

726
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 3: mean and the irony of course that you could call someone,

727
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 3: you know disabling an oil pipeline a nihilist extremists when

728
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 3: the act they're doing is precisely for the purpose of

729
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 3: ensuring the continued existence of human civilization on a.

730
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 2: Large scale that's the big. Issue here Like the trump

731
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 2: government still wants a term that focuses on what some

732
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: people would like colloquially refer to as like, accelerationist terrorism

733
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: and that does encompass some of the extremist violence from

734
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: the weirder corners of the, far right like in the Case,

735
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: of cassup but as well as as like leftists or

736
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: posts left like. Anarchistic extremism but in the, administration's mind

737
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: the previous terms for this were tainted by crackdowns on

738
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 2: right wing or patriot Movements after, january sixth and like

739
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 2: the nihilist of violence streamism term is not replacing the

740
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 2: term terrorism necessarily like The way clippenstein's suggested in, his

741
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: article the word terrorism appears frequently in these very documents

742
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: that we've. Been discussing nor does the term terrorism have

743
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: quote unquote limitations, in Law as klippenstein said that like

744
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 2: prevent its use in. Political prosecution, if anything it carries

745
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: kind of special powers of punishment which can be over

746
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: applied to increase, the sentences, swayed juries and. Strip rights

747
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: we've seen bills To label antifa as terrorists introduced to,

748
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: this year The whole tesla, terrorism thing, and historically like

749
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: the use of terrorism has been used as a repression

750
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 2: Tool In Atlanta's Stop cop, city movement which similarly has

751
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 2: like a climate focus like. You mentioned and what this

752
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: new nihilism term lets them do is it ALLOWS the

753
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: dromp administration to see to their base that they aren't

754
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: going to be going after like right wing malicious style,

755
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: groups anymore not, anti government anti. Authority, extreamists instead they're

756
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: just going to target zany weirdos who want to destroy

757
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: society it's, a looser more flexible term that can be

758
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: applied to a much wider swath. Of people and like

759
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 2: the kind of FINAL thing i WANT to i want

760
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: to note here is that four groups like like seven,

761
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 2: six four we really don't have a good term. For

762
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: them like some people have defended this nihilistic term specifically

763
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 2: for groups like seven, six four since that was where

764
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 2: it originally appeared in an industry that these groups kind

765
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 2: of defy. Classic categorization some of them are certainly motivated

766
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 2: by racial bias in the Case, of cassup who's like

767
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: tied With, oin a but not specifically seven. Six four

768
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: but a lot of these other seven six four guys

769
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: who are mostly in it for, the pedophilia still do

770
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: have anti government ideologies that they are roped. In WITH

771
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 2: now i have seen a few alternative terms lofted by

772
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 2: certain independent researchers that don't really do a good job

773
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 2: but are gaining Influence under. Trump's government there's This like

774
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 2: freeland Researcher named rebecca Or, bix wrights who mostly Operates.

775
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: On twitter she's proposed the term satanic accelerationism or s

776
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: act Not good and this kind of outlines my problems

777
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 2: with this person's research now because all of the legitimate

778
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 2: extremism researchers have kind of moved Away from twitter and

779
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: are Just On. Blue, sky now people like this have

780
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 2: like exploded in Influence under elon's Shepherding, of twitter and

781
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 2: like this this person just spreads like satanic panic style

782
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: writing that appeals To conservative. Christian audiences she boasts about

783
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: how many mutuals she has With these. Nazi terrorists she Posts,

784
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 2: on rumble she went On, info wars so that kind

785
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 2: of tells you everything you need to know about. This

786
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: person and like a big part of her work is

787
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:47,320
Speaker 2: trying to downplay the right wing and a white supremacist influence.

788
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: In extremism she excitedly, posted QUOTE the fbi has coined

789
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: a new term for this type, of individual nihilist. Bilin

790
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: extremists this makes me so happy because it indicates that

791
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 2: law enforcement are listening to researchers on the grid and

792
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: are no longer considering these Groups neo nazis or quote unquote.

793
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: White supremacist, so yeah this is a big part of

794
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: this push is appealing to these types of people who

795
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 2: don't want their weird pedo freaks to be labeled as,

796
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: right wing even though they all are pretty far right

797
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: wing terrorists in. Most cases this researcher also falsely Linked

798
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: cast up With A ukrainian nazi GROUP. Called mku she

799
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: later retracted this claim, on substack but left the original

800
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 2: viral tweet up online because. Hey engagement her substack post,

801
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: reads QUOTE when i first heard the News of Nikota,

802
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: cast up my mind immediately darted to ANOTHER nine A

803
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 2: and mku linked Individual. Named nikota this turned out to

804
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 2: be a, MERE coincidence, i know because The other nikota

805
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: reached out to me personally. To clarify it's moments like

806
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: these that caused me to reflect on just how big

807
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: this movement really is and just how close to THE

808
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: fire i. Am unquote this is not how you do.

809
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: Extremism reporting this is not how you, do journalism but

810
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 2: This does i'm. And straight kind of the problem with

811
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 2: this term, is, that yeah groups like this do need a,

812
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: different term maybe, like accelerationists violent. A creamists that's a

813
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 2: term you could use that if you're going to remove

814
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: all the. Other acronyms but certainly the nihilism label just

815
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 2: kind of complicates things and allows for the targeting of

816
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 2: just a massive swath of the population that could become

817
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: like political prosecutions that then get linked to these child

818
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 2: sexual abust. Material, cases okay that is my that's my that's. My,

819
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: script michael how do you feel about that? Info dump i'm, so.

820
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 3: SORRY truly i you know YOU'VE and i can send it.

821
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 3: To it you've extracted a part of my soul and

822
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 3: put it into a. Cosmic, TOILET today i know More

823
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: than i've known before as a as, a human As,

824
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: an american as. A parent i'm terrified on. Every front and,

825
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 3: you know my my simple guy takeaway here is, the

826
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 3: yeah like the idea that this is going to both

827
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 3: let some of the worst ball off, the hook or

828
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: at least make it harder to classify them with.

829
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: The groups they should be, classified with while also.

830
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 3: Making it easier to lump in forms of what many

831
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: of us would consider more reasonable political activism under that

832
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: umbrella is. Quite BAD and, i think, of course, for

833
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 3: me due to my. Pet interest, you know all of

834
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: these instances of continuing, to like pervert and misuse, philosophical

835
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 3: terms to have meanings developed over hundreds and thousands of

836
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 3: years for these political ends is.

837
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: Very, Upsetting well i'm excited to usher in the new

838
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: Wave of kirkergardian violent extremists who are going to usher in.

839
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: Total get me on. A list. STOP it.

840
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 2: I am actually sorry that this went on nearly double

841
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,280
Speaker 2: the length OF which i thought it. Had planned after

842
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: such a, Depressing episode i'm going to ask a kind

843
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 2: of an, odd question what philosophy booked do you think

844
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 2: people should read in this, political moment because a lot

845
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 2: of people are approaching me with, like HOW do i?

846
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: Stay sane HOW do i stay HOW do i keep

847
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 2: going when things feel? So bad and, For me i've

848
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: always turned. To philosophy i've been recommending different books to,

849
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 2: different Friends and i'm kind of interested in what you

850
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: have to say about kind of what philosophy can offer

851
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: us in these times of like. Existential.

852
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 3: TORMENT yeah i mean a really simple ONE that i

853
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 3: talk about way too Much Is Cure care guards To The,

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Speaker 3: present age which you find in this Book Called two

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Speaker 3: ages that's easy. To buy it's normally, really cheap or

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Speaker 3: you can just read it. Online someplace that kind of

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Speaker 3: describes a society in which people get caught up in

858
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Speaker 3: media and reflection and the bs they are told rather

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Speaker 3: than developing their subjectivity, for themselves and that one's. Really

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Speaker 3: great in terms of more, Contemporary stuff i've Been Very

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Speaker 3: frederick jamison pilled recently NICE and, I think, I mean

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Speaker 3: I've read jamison before on, and off but recently dove in.

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Speaker 3: More deeply and There's, ONE okay i have it at,

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Speaker 3: arms REACH so i can say that the title Correctly

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Speaker 3: that i've really. Been enjoying it's Called An American Utopia

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Speaker 3: dual power In The universal Army By, frederick jamison edited By,

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Speaker 3: Saw voygijiak and it's This large jamison essay about what

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Speaker 3: he sees as an alternative for leftist Power, in america

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Speaker 3: responses from a bunch of. OTHER scholars i have found it.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting but, for me AT least i find comfort

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Speaker 3: in the fact that others have accurately diagnosed and understood

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Speaker 3: what is happening right now and at least give us

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Speaker 3: the tools to understand the thing so it feels less nebulous.

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Speaker 4: And mysterious we.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to reinvent the wheel all. The, time yeah

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Speaker 2: and that's SOMETHING that i feel like some leftists kind

877
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Speaker 2: of get, trapped in or it's kind of a two,

878
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Speaker 2: sides thing is what some people just get fully lost

879
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: in like the labyrinth, of theory and the other people

880
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Speaker 2: get lost in trying to constantly reinvent or like make

881
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Speaker 2: for the first time stuff that, already, Exists RIGHT and

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Speaker 2: i think there's a really careful balance between like reading

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Speaker 2: some stuff so that you can like know what's going

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Speaker 2: on and not feel the need to try to, like

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Speaker 2: it cause every, you know philosophical evolution to come about

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Speaker 2: via your. Own, thought yeah you don't have to be

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Speaker 2: the one to.

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Speaker 4: Do it someone else are.

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Speaker 2: You doing you're, not alone like other people have, done

890
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Speaker 2: this and you should still like think for yourself and.

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Speaker 2: Still compare but people have thought about this type of.

892
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Speaker 2: Stuff before people have been in bad political, situations before

893
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Speaker 2: and it's it's useful to know what. They've thought and

894
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Speaker 2: like this, is like, you know my work is mostly

895
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 2: looking at like current events and like trying to track

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Speaker 2: but like extremism and like what the government, is doing and,

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Speaker 2: you know more information always helps me choose how to

898
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Speaker 2: navigate in. The world THAT'S why i do episodes, Like

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Speaker 2: THIS and i think philosophy is just one other side.

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Speaker 2: Of that unless you have anything else, to say do

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Speaker 2: you want to talk about where people can find you

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Speaker 2: online and your new.

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Speaker 3: YouTube, CHANNEL yeah i have a recently launched YouTube channel

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Speaker 3: that's just under The NAME Michael oh BURNS and i

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Speaker 3: think it's literally just YouTube SLASH Michael o burns, them,

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Speaker 3: quickly yep YouTube SLASH Michael o Burns or i'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be doing more stuff, quite regularly extremes and, radio essays

908
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Speaker 3: largely doing some of the stuff we're just, talking about

909
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Speaker 3: using philosophy and concepts and from theory to try to

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Speaker 3: understand what's going on in both the political and like

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Speaker 3: the social and interpersonal Levels that i'm working on A

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Speaker 3: thing i'm excited about on like depression and capitalism and.

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Speaker 4: Mental health, so Yeah and i'm on all most of

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Speaker 4: the Social media's.

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Speaker 3: I'm Just michael Burns OR Michael, o burns relatively easy

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Speaker 3: to find on.

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Speaker 2: Most, places well thank you, So much michael for joining

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Speaker 2: me in this dive through the darkest depths Of the

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Speaker 2: internet and, the extremes a milieu that is Festering in america.

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Speaker 2: And abroad thanks for.

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Speaker 4: Having me.

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Speaker 2: It.

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