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Speaker 1: Welcome to Marlin's Barbecue. Eli Sussman, fish Strip's managing editor,

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Speaker 1: here with you. If you're new to the BBQ. These

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Speaker 1: episodes are not much different from what I normally do

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Speaker 1: except more likely to be beer involved, and there's more

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Speaker 1: likely to be Alex Contraras involved. He's been hosting these

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Speaker 1: BBQ episodes during the twenty twenty season. This is the

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Speaker 2: I'm so happy to be back, man. It feels so

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Speaker 2: good to be behind this mic right now and talking

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Speaker 2: to all of Marlin's Nation guys. I was so happy,

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Speaker 2: so proud of the work the guys did in twenty

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Speaker 2: We swept the Cubs. Unfortunately, I got my month, I

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Speaker 2: and that's all cool, man. But long story short, I

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Speaker 2: can't believe I'm saying this, but I was proud to

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Speaker 2: be a loser. I was proud to be a loser

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Speaker 2: as a Miami Morland. You know why, because I was

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Speaker 2: so proud to see these guys make it to the

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Speaker 2: You know what, man, I was super proud to see

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Speaker 2: know what, we lost to the Braves. Congrats, Braves, Braves, County, Braves, country,

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers Tampa Bay. Once again, you guys choked Jesus man,

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Speaker 2: how many times I told Florida fans don't rove for

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Speaker 2: the Rays. That includes myself. When I said let's go

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Speaker 2: I told you guys, Florida's real team, the Florida Marlins,

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Speaker 1: Louis joining me and Alex Tonight a new deputy editor

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Speaker 1: at Fish Stripes, and Marlins are undefeated since he joined

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Speaker 1: Fish Stripes right after the season. It is Lewis Addio Weiss.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the BBQ. Lewis how you doing good?

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be here. It's exciting and fun. Fact,

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Speaker 3: the last time the Marlins won the World Series October

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Speaker 3: twenty fifth, two thousand and three. I was my seventh birthday,

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Speaker 2: Today is draft day. Today is a Rule five draft day.

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Speaker 2: And if you guys didn't know it, Fish Stripes selected

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Speaker 3: All right, Eli, So did you want to discuss the

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Speaker 1: Because no matter who they signed on a major league deal,

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Speaker 2: That's that's why I love these Marlins, Like, I know

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Speaker 2: where you guys are coming from. But we're not going

435
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Speaker 2: We're not going to the World Series next year. Keeping

436
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Speaker 2: it one hundred thousand. I would love for us to

437
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Speaker 2: go to the World Series next year, but it's not

438
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Speaker 2: gonna happen, you know what I'm saying. But why not

439
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 2: give an opportween to these young guys like and Brandon Kinsler,

440
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Speaker 2: Like I hope that we could, we can we sign them.

441
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Speaker 2: But just throwing this out as a fan sentiment, it

442
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 2: felt so good to see the guy swipe his arm

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Speaker 2: across the Marlins jersey when we beat the Cubs, Like

444
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Speaker 2: it's so it felt so good to see a Marlin's

445
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 2: player feel so good, dideful to be a Miami Marland

446
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Speaker 2: at that moment. Dude, when was the last time we

447
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Speaker 2: saw Marlin celebrate to be a Marlin like that, dude.

448
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Speaker 2: That was epic.

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Speaker 4: Two it too hincler Deals swing in a mascot them

450
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Speaker 4: and it's over and the Marlins are headed to the

451
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Speaker 4: Division Series as they beat the Cubs to nothing the

452
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Speaker 4: final here and they advanced to the DS.

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Speaker 3: I have a list of names here, and I'll and

454
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Speaker 3: I want to add on to what you're saying about

455
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Speaker 3: the bullpen. I you know, I'm kind of torn. There's

456
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Speaker 3: a bit of a dichotomy here with this idea that

457
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Speaker 3: you know, yeah, we're probably if we played one hundred

458
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Speaker 3: and sixty two games, chances are given, our run differential,

459
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Speaker 3: I believe, was like something like minus forty one. You know,

460
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Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily great. Our team ops plus was ninety two.

461
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Speaker 3: That was died with the Royals for mid tier in

462
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Speaker 3: the majors. That's still below average. You're you know, you're

463
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Speaker 3: you're right when you say that, Alex, that we're not

464
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Speaker 3: you know, we probably wouldn't competed over the long span

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Speaker 3: of a season, and in twenty twenty one, you know,

466
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Speaker 3: we're not. We're probably not gonna win ninety games. You know,

467
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Speaker 3: like that's not obviously that's a given. But we have

468
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Speaker 3: pieces there right now that I believe are gonna be

469
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Speaker 3: a part of the core of the Marlins that are

470
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Speaker 3: going to be successful. You know, obviously you have Brian Anderson.

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Speaker 3: I think Pablo Lopez and Al Kintara have solidified their

472
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Speaker 3: places in our rotation for years to come. You have

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Speaker 3: Braxton Garrett. I'm excited to see what happens with him,

474
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Speaker 3: even though again he's not a power pitcher, but he's

475
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Speaker 3: somebody who I think he doesn't display exude a lot

476
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Speaker 3: of confidence on the mountain, but I think you know

477
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Speaker 3: he if you polish him up a little bit. You know,

478
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Speaker 3: he two years removed from Tommy John surgery. His arm

479
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: looks fresh. He looked pretty good in the one and

480
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 3: the first start that he made with us getting that win.

481
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Speaker 3: You have pieces that are gonna be there. When we

482
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Speaker 3: signed Corey Dickerson to a two year deal, I love

483
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Speaker 3: that signing because I thought he was a great platoon

484
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Speaker 3: bat let alone. He did play a little bit more

485
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Speaker 3: than we expected. Daniel Doubt said this on MLB Network

486
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Speaker 3: when we signed Dickerson last year. He said, if you need,

487
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Speaker 3: you know, even if you're not gonna get win, even

488
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Speaker 3: if you're not gonna win. If you're gonna sign a

489
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Speaker 3: guy to get better, then get better. If we sign

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Speaker 3: a guy like a Jeremy Jeffers or a Jose Alvarez,

491
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Speaker 3: you know, a lefty reliever who was very underrated by

492
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Speaker 3: the way pitching with the Angels and the Tigers ever

493
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Speaker 3: since debuting, I believe back in twenty fourteen or twenty fifteen.

494
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Speaker 3: If we're not competitive in July, flip you know, like personally,

495
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Speaker 3: I love a guy like Aggiar. I think Aguilar is

496
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Speaker 3: a great player. I think Hayciers at Yar is fantastic.

497
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Speaker 3: What he did for us one twenty ohps plus in

498
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Speaker 3: that limited time last year was excellent. We you know,

499
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Speaker 3: that was a Rule five guy that we hit on.

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Speaker 3: If we're not competitive and we already have a corps

501
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Speaker 3: of guys who are who we believe are gonna be

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Speaker 3: part of his next court, we sign a Jeffers, we

503
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Speaker 3: sign an Alvarez, We signed say a Tyler CLIPPERD who's

504
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: been around and has been traded before. Or we sign

505
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Speaker 3: a Kirby Yates to see if he's healthy posts you know,

506
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Speaker 3: elbow surgery. If we trade, if we can trade guys

507
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Speaker 3: like that, and get a somewhat decent return for them.

508
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Speaker 3: You know, relievers are volatile. You can kind of build

509
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Speaker 3: and choose relievers as you go. If you can get

510
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Speaker 3: guys that you believe are gonna help us in the

511
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Speaker 3: years to come, then it I think it's worth it

512
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Speaker 3: to sign a guy like that, even if it doesn't

513
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Speaker 3: necessarily mean we're gonna win. I mean, like, you know,

514
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Speaker 3: they say, no, no, GM is gonna come out and

515
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Speaker 3: say like, we're not trying to win the World Series

516
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Speaker 3: every single year. George Steinberner certainly would have never said

517
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Speaker 3: that as the owner of the Yankees. Kim angle never

518
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Speaker 3: say that. But I think if you gave him truth

519
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Speaker 3: to him, they would say, like, you know what, like

520
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Speaker 3: some of these signings are to hope that these guys

521
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Speaker 3: can recomp some of their value and we get some

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Speaker 3: of that value back in the form of prospects. And

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Speaker 3: I understand prospects is like backing up is a backing

524
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Speaker 3: up kind of thing. We're like, oh my god, here

525
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Speaker 3: we go again. We're just gonna have to wait even

526
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Speaker 3: longer until we can play bona fide competitive baseball. But

527
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Speaker 3: with the ownership that we have now, with the people

528
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Speaker 3: that we have in the front office. I genuinely think

529
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Speaker 3: you know it. There's some incentive to sign guys like that,

530
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Speaker 3: especially on a market right now where nobody knows how

531
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Speaker 3: much these guys are gonna get. We can get a

532
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Speaker 3: lot of these guys at bargain bin prices.

533
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Speaker 2: And listen, touching on Aguilar, I'm sorry touching on Aguilar.

534
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: Aguilar was a waiver claim, and I'm sorry. I hate

535
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Speaker 2: to say, but Rob Manfred is the main reason why

536
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 2: I blame failure in Major League Baseball. Right. This is

537
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Speaker 2: why I'm saying this because if Rob would have communicated

538
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Speaker 2: more clearly, I know he said maybe he said a

539
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Speaker 2: week before, where hey, guys, prepare for no DH in

540
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Speaker 2: the National League before we announced this on this podcast,

541
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Speaker 2: he said that a week before. All right, cool, but dude,

542
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Speaker 2: why the hell would you say that after you had

543
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 2: a successful season a short season during the pandemic. You

544
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: put the DH in both the universal DH. Dude, fans

545
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: were happy to see that, you know what I'm saying.

546
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Speaker 2: Myself included, like, I'm a big National League fan. I've

547
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: always loved watching National League Baseball, watching the pitchers go

548
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: up and they connect and they rake. Awesome. You know

549
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I was fortunate enough to see the

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Speaker 2: d trained bat. I was fortunate enough to see, you

551
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Guys like Brad Penny hit home runs,

552
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Aged Burnet Hill home runs, Carbo Final hit home runs.

553
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Josh Johnson hit home runs.

554
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Speaker 2: Guys like that, and that was pretty epic when they

555
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: would hit him. But what the hell were the percentages

556
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 2: on that? Very little? You know what I'm saying, And

557
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: like and watching like the DH being implemented, the universal

558
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 2: DH being implemented into the season last He's in the

559
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Speaker 2: short season, sixty game season. Dude, that was pretty cool.

560
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Speaker 2: Like I felt like it gave the Marnins an extra edge,

561
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 2: Like we needed that extra edge. We needed more offense,

562
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Speaker 2: and that extra batter helped us a lot. You know

563
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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. I read this article the other day

564
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Speaker 2: on Twitter, and it was like, Dude, the Marlins had

565
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: a crazy win percentage. It was over sent seventy percent

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Speaker 2: of games that they would win in seven inning games.

567
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Speaker 2: So whenever they would do double headers last season, it

568
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Speaker 2: would be seven in games.

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Speaker 1: Right.

570
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: I felt short changed as a fan, but the Marins

571
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 2: were super effective, like they would send out a starting

572
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Speaker 2: pitcher out there, Pablo Lopez, you know, and he would

573
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Speaker 2: go five innings, six innings, and then whoever, boom, just

574
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Speaker 2: give it to the closer, Brandon Kinsler and Kents would

575
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: come out and he'd close out the game. And the

576
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Speaker 2: Marlins had over a seventy percent chance of winning that game.

577
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Speaker 2: And that was pretty epic, dude, Like, I felt pretty

578
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: cool about that, but at the same time, I felt

579
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Speaker 2: a little bit short changed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned this before we start recording that even

581
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Speaker 1: though that that that reporting as of this moment is

582
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Speaker 1: that National League teams are preparing for no DH I

583
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Speaker 1: think by the time we get to spring training, that's

584
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Speaker 1: going to get cleared up and it's going to be universal.

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Speaker 3: But don't you think for the safety of just like

586
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Speaker 3: keeping you know, guys like Alcantara or Lopez or you

587
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: know anybody you know, Brax and Garrett or a myriad

588
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 3: of other guys that we see factoring into our pitching

589
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 3: rotation moving forward healthy by not having them get injured

590
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: in the batter's box is more important than letting them

591
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 3: go up there and occasionally get a base hit, you know,

592
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Speaker 3: Like I, you know, I I want to give Sandy Alkintara,

593
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: you know, a long term extension to be there for

594
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: a while, and having the DH in both leagues I

595
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 3: think appeals to both the new school of analytic thought

596
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 3: of pictures shouldn't hit. It's a it's a wasted out.

597
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Speaker 3: That's like you know, when Tony LaRussa would bat his

598
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: picture's eighth It's a novel concept. But what are we

599
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: doing here?

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Speaker 2: I feel like the Marlins have always been recognized as

601
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Speaker 2: a pitching first organization, like pitching and defense first. Like

602
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: I know what you're saying that we didn't have much

603
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,959
Speaker 2: of an offensive team in past years, we would have

604
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: one or two superstars that would be like sluggers, you

605
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: know in the Sheffields and the Stantons and the Uglas.

606
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Speaker 2: How you speak about like Kody Ross was pretty cool.

607
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Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying at the end of

608
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Speaker 2: the day, like look at how many amount of no

609
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Speaker 2: hitters that we have, Like I feel like we're the

610
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Speaker 2: complete opposite completed compared to the Colorado Rockies. How many

611
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Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, They have a bunch of

612
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Speaker 2: freaking cycles, but we have a bunch of no hitters.

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Speaker 1: Right Well, we can see some evidence that new ownership

614
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Speaker 1: isn't they don't necessarily want to stick with that pitching

615
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Speaker 1: first reputation entirely, Like you know, we've sent them preach

616
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Speaker 1: about how important it is to build up pitching depth

617
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Speaker 1: in the organization. But you also see their actions bringing

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Speaker 1: in the fences at Marlins Park in center field and

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Speaker 1: right center fields entering this season, and I don't we

620
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Speaker 1: didn't get like much of a sample to see how

621
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Speaker 1: that plays out, but by bringing in the fences, they

622
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Speaker 1: certainly want to encourage this team to be able to

623
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Speaker 1: actually hit its fair share of home runs.

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Speaker 5: Too.

625
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Speaker 1: They're not fully wedded to that whole perception of being

626
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Speaker 1: all about lining up a bunch.

627
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Speaker 5: Of aces back to back to back.

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Speaker 1: They also, yeah, they're committed to having a ballpark that

629
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Speaker 1: plays pretty neutral, and so that they just believe there's

630
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Speaker 1: gonna be enough talent top to bottom on the roster

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Speaker 1: to be able to win games in a bunch of

632
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: different ways. I think what I'm stuck on is that

633
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: understanding where we are right now, still in the middle

634
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Speaker 1: of this pandemic, and understanding how revenues were impacted this

635
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: last year that for most teams, payroll is going to

636
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Speaker 1: come down based on where it was projected to be

637
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. And that's understandable. But there's a certain

638
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: line to draw with that too. When you have this

639
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: Marlins team, they're on the verge of signing a new

640
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: television contract. For the last fifteen years, they've been stuck

641
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: under the worst TV deal in Major League Baseball. The

642
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: new one is about to kick in. That's gonna make

643
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: a very tangible impact on the revenue they bring in,

644
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: regardless of attendance. And also just the reality that they've

645
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: already had a lot of their bad contracts come off

646
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Speaker 1: the books. I mean, the fact that that Weighing and

647
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Chen contract is finally done, that that alone should have

648
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: given them a lot more flexibility to they I'm not

649
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: even holding them accountable for increasing their payroll based on

650
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: where it was entering twenty twenty. I'm more so I

651
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: look at moves like declining the option on Brandon Kitzler,

652
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: like non tendering getting rid of Jose Urina, and they

653
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: between those two moves, they shed about seven seven and

654
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: a half million dollars. When you go from those two

655
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: guys to the rule five draft picks that are earning

656
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: the league minimum that's going to save the team close

657
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: to seven million dollars, and all I'm asking is for

658
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: them to put that money back into the team. They

659
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: had control of Brandon Kinceler for one more year, they

660
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: had control of Urenya for one more year, and they

661
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: declined to bring them back and instead replace them with

662
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: two players that don't have experience above the Double A level.

663
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: As much as we may have concerns about Kincelor and

664
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: Urenya going forward, it's really hard to make the case

665
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: that the team is going to be better with those

666
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: Rule five draft picks taking their place. So all I'm

667
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: asking for is that in the those particular cases that

668
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: they do make some sort of an effort to tie

669
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: up the issues. Because we spent a lot of time

670
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: talking about the bullpen, I mean, there's still a lot

671
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: of concerns about the offense too, because last year the

672
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: offense was led by Miguel Rojas had the year of

673
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: his life when he was actually able to play, Hayster

674
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: Zaguilar had a big bounce back, and I mean Starling

675
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: mart was super clutch for them when he came over,

676
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: but he's also thirty two years old now heading into

677
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: next year, and they're going to be relying right now

678
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: on a lot of young players and a lot of

679
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: these veteran players that you really worry about regressing that

680
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: even so much went right for them last year offensively,

681
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: and then you take a step back and you actually

682
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: look at the numbers and they were not a good

683
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: offensive team. They were middle of the pack at best,

684
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: and by a lot of standards, they were actually below

685
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: average as a hitting team. So there's so much work

686
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: to do there. And like I said, I'm not even

687
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 1: holding them to a super high standard. I'm just saying

688
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: that the players that they already had under control that

689
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: they declined to bring back, that you reallocate that money

690
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: to addresser needs, and you reallocate that towards bringing at

691
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: least won maybe two veteran relievers on short term deals,

692
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: and at least one bat that you could even without

693
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: a DH and like I said, I really there to

694
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: be one once the dost cells. But bringing a guy

695
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,760
Speaker 1: that could either play second base, that could play right field.

696
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: I mean, those are the two positions that are totally

697
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,959
Speaker 1: up in the air right now that right now they're

698
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: totally relying on these former top prospects to take the

699
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: next step, and you don't need to plug all your

700
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: holes via free agency. I don't think any of the

701
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: best teams really do that. But yeah, I want to

702
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: see some sort of balance between the present and the future,

703
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: because so far, all these moves that they've made this

704
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: offseason are really focused on really twenty twenty two and beyond.

705
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 1: They're not showing any urgency to win next year, and

706
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: I think we can all admit that it's going to

707
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: be a very long road for them to be a

708
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: great team next year. I think people that have been

709
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: listening to me during the twenty twenty season there was

710
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: a lot of lukiness that was able to get them

711
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: to the postseason. I don't think there's any denying that.

712
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: But I also think it's important to not let this

713
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: team take advantage of people, because that's a position that

714
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: right now they're on the course towards doing that. Because

715
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: the team had that nice ending making the playoffs and

716
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: winning a postseason series, that they may feel that that

717
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: gives them a honeymoon period with this fan base for

718
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: at least another year or two, just because they finally

719
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: ended that drought, And I worry about them trying to

720
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: take advantage of those fans because they were so deprived

721
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 1: for so long.

722
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 3: So I made mention of one of those. The first

723
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 3: real major deals other than the Trevor May signing of

724
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: the Mets, that has had an impact or will impact

725
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 3: the way that the free agent market kind of shapes

726
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: up is the Royal sign Carlos Santana two years. Believe

727
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 3: it was seventeen point five million dollars, so for eight

728
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: point eight million dollars a year approximately. You know, that's

729
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: a pretty good signing for a team who like the Marlins.

730
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 3: You know, they haven't necessarily developed starting pitching recently the

731
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 3: way that we have. You know, Danny Duffy, I guess

732
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: is the go to guy along with Jacob Junas, but

733
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: neither have done much recently to show me much promise.

734
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: What the Santana deal strikes me the same way that

735
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 3: the Dickerson deal struck me when we signed him last offseason,

736
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 3: in that he's a professional hitter. Corey Dickerson remember a

737
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: goal glover. He you know, career two ninety plus hitter.

738
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 3: What you want to do with the guy like Santana.

739
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 3: Carlo Santana is the perfect example of somebody a veteran

740
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: somebody that we need on our team. And you know,

741
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 3: you and me were talking about it before the right

742
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 3: field situation, before we even got on air to do

743
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 3: this podcast tonight.

744
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: Why get a Carlos Santana, dude. I mean, you've got

745
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 2: a Gary Cooper, you got a Hazhu's agula, you got

746
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: a surplus a outfielders, Like, why do you want to

747
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 2: bring that off field there in here?

748
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: Not to play first base?

749
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: Why do you want to bring this veteran in here

750
00:37:58,800 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 2: and pay them seventeen million?

751
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: Not at all what I'm saying. So if we so,

752
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 3: And this is again, this is a short term thing.

753
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: This is bring This is about bringing in a veteran

754
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 3: who we who I believe can rub off on these

755
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, young guys, give them, you know, some insight

756
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 3: on how to be a professional at the major league level.

757
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 2: They make out more than Miguel.

758
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: Is a professional, But offensively, I don't project him to

759
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 3: have the longevity of say a guy who I'm gonna mention.

760
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: And again, this is a short term commitment thing. He

761
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: knows the division. Nick Markkeiks spent five years with the Braves.

762
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: Rfield is major uncertainty. If you have a universal dh

763
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: Nick Markekas is one of gold Glove. He did it,

764
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 3: albeit a long time ago in Baltimore. He's a professional hitter,

765
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: somebody who, despite playing a short amount of time in

766
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, as everybody did, still put up relatively solid numbers.

767
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 3: Was an All Star two years removed. Again, a professional

768
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: hitter in a line devoid of many professional hitters, a

769
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 3: lot of guys who have general and experience. I think

770
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 3: we'd owe it to ourselves to get a veteran in

771
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 3: there who can one provide solid offensive numbers. Although you

772
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 3: know you're not going to get much in the power

773
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: for Marqucus. He's never known as an as a prodigious

774
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 3: power hitter. But somebody who's gonna hit to a two ninety,

775
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: whether or not you value batting average or not, somebody

776
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 3: who has relatively decent on bascos I believe is on

777
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: base percentage of somewhere around three fifty compared to a

778
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 3: guy like Santana, who you know, the Royals aren't gonna

779
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: win a World Series with Carlos Santana playing first base

780
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 3: and dhing for them, but I guarantee you that that

781
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: at his approach at taking more walks being a more

782
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 3: patient hitter, not striking out the way that everybody is

783
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 3: so accustomed to doing nowadays. I would argue that one

784
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: year Nick Markakis may rub off on a guy like

785
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: Harold Ramirez or a Jorge al Farro, guys who you know,

786
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,880
Speaker 3: have the potential to be solid offensive players at the

787
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: major league level, but maybe need a little bit more guidance,

788
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: you know, from somebody who's been there and done that,

789
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: you know, somebody that they can aspire to be.

790
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: Like I feel like, I'm sorry, man, I hate they

791
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: got you off and all that, but I mean, that's

792
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: why we got the freaking coaching staff we got Don Manning.

793
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: Lee agree with you.

794
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: We got all these guys there that that that are

795
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 2: getting paid the big bucks to be there and to

796
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: guide these young guys. These young guys need an opportunity.

797
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 2: Why do you have the one of the best farm

798
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 2: systems in all Major League Baseball. He's just gonna let

799
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 2: them sit there and keep bringing in these old guys. Like,

800
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 2: I feel what you're saying, but like, come on, dude,

801
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: let these young boys play.

802
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 3: So JJ blude, we can all agree. Is the future

803
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 3: right fielder of the Marlins. That's that's a certain team.

804
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 3: I mean, it comes from Vanderbilt. That's a prodigious baseball school.

805
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: We also have to be conscious of the fact that

806
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 3: he has not played above single a advance day the twenty

807
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 3: twenty season starts, team twenty twenty one season starts, he

808
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: essentially missed a full yer baseball minus some spring training

809
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: and all that. You know, he didn't get into games.

810
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 3: He's an another year at least away from the major

811
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: leagues at early as he's in the majors in September

812
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: of next season. If we get to play a full

813
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: slate of games.

814
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: And listen, man, if he's not, look, I'm not gonna

815
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna count my chickens before the hatch, you

816
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, uh, maybe Kim pulls the trigger.

817
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 2: We get a we're in the middle of a playoff phrase,

818
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 2: how we did with Adrian Gonzales and we traded him

819
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: for a new Bina and then we pull a trigger

820
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: like I can't talk about it, jj blde being there

821
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: in right field. Maybe our right fielder is uh In Carnacion,

822
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 2: maybe Monte is a future right fielder. Maybe they slide

823
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 2: them over. You know what I'm saying, We don't know

824
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. Maybe Rojas Mel Rojas Junior that just

825
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: signed a two year deal out in Japan. You know

826
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: what I'm saying that we were all hyped about. Maybe

827
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: he comes after two years and says, Yo, I'm done,

828
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: I played, I finished my two years. He comes to

829
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 2: the major leagues. We don't know what's gonna happen. Maybe

830
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: Brian Anderson slides back over the right field because we

831
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: traded for epic right, epic third basement, like a Jose Marriage.

832
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: Who knows what the hell is gonna happen. We got

833
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,959
Speaker 2: a Joe Dunnan tearing it up in winter and winter

834
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: ball out in the Dominican Republic. So you know what

835
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, dude, I can't talk about what's gonna

836
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 2: happen in the future. I could just talk about the

837
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: death that we have. I could talk about what makes

838
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: sense for us as the Miami Manes. We're a small

839
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,959
Speaker 2: walket team and we just got to keep pushing it forward.

840
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to allocate seven million, as

841
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 3: Eli was recently talking about, Nick Markakas is gonna cost

842
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 3: maybe half of that because he's not a four million

843
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: dollar deal with the Braves again, I.

844
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: Don't want to. I don't spend that on him. Why

845
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: would I spend that on him? I got a Sterling Marte.

846
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 2: I just traded for Sterling Marte. Harold Harold Ramirez is

847
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 2: looking like he's healthy. He's tearing it up in the

848
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: Colombian League, Like, come on, dude, like, look how many

849
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,839
Speaker 2: people we got in this whole league, Like in our organization.

850
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: Do these guys got a player? Do they're not gonna

851
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: pay it? Like Magnerius Sierra, drop the butt Mags. Come on, dude,

852
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: like we gotta see this now, this is not softball.

853
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 2: We only got three outfielders, Like it's got to come.

854
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: It's gonna come a time where we gotta let let

855
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: these guys play. And thank god that were slowly but

856
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 2: surely safely coming back to normality in the world. Like

857
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Next year, it's looking like

858
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: we're gonna have double, a triple, a single, a rookie

859
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 2: ball all that again, and thank God for that. Shout

860
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 2: out to the Blue Wahoo's and the owner. You know

861
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, missus studs, you know, missus studdy. You

862
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying like yo' it's cool. Like dude,

863
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 2: we just got to keep pushing forward.

864
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Harold he MEIERZ I think has a

865
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 3: role in twenty twenty one. For sure, Dickerson is was

866
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: wasn't even signed to play every day. I mean, he

867
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 3: just played by way of obviously a lot of the

868
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 3: COVID related.

869
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: And it was a sixty game season. But if it

870
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: wasn't a sixty game season, he wouldn't normal season. If

871
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: it wasn't a normal season, he would not played every game.

872
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: He's not cal ri Kman junior, but he would at

873
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: least played at least one hundred and thirty five one

874
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 2: hundred and forty games. That's why you signed this game.

875
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: This guy was gold Glover. The Philly fans were heated

876
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,719
Speaker 2: that they lost him. He was a professional hitter. That's

877
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: why the Martins bottom over. That professional hitter that you're

878
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 2: talking about that we can sign. Oh, the Carlos Santana's

879
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: of the world that you were talking about. Dude, that's

880
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 2: why we brought this guy over.

881
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 3: But I and I told and I agree with you.

882
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 3: I mean, like I said, I was high on the

883
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: Dickerson signing when it happened. The thing is. I mean,

884
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: these are just stop gaps. And I've given up on

885
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: Lewis Brinson. I understand they're going to give him one

886
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: more shot.

887
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: Don't give a bomb brand. Come on, man, give him

888
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: some credit at least one thing that we can talk

889
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: about short season, yeah and everything. I was one guy.

890
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 2: I felt like you felt I was a hard critic

891
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: about him. I was like, damn, I was Brent Diesel

892
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 2: couldn't get it together. I can't wait for him to

893
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: have a subpar season, an average season so we can

894
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 2: flip him. But the guy. Give him some credit. He

895
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: looks a lot more comfortable at the plate. He's got

896
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 2: some more swag at the plate, and that's what you want, Like,

897
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 2: come on, man.

898
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 3: Oh dude, my relationship with him and this is not

899
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 3: necessarily I mean, I've always been a fan of the guy.

900
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 3: If you really want to get I've known Lewis Brinton

901
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 3: since he was sixteen. I played his high school team

902
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: when I was a freshman. I saw the guy hit

903
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 3: four hundred foot home runs play center field. You know,

904
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: like I thought he was a man among boys watching

905
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 3: him play when I was a kid, and when he

906
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: was traded to the Marlins, I was like, this is great.

907
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 3: You know, he's going to be with his hometown team. Dude,

908
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 3: I you know how many baseball you know, seminars and

909
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 3: camps I went to with him. I was fourteen. I'll

910
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: tell you a story real quick before we go. I

911
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 3: faced him when I was fourteen. I was like, I'm

912
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 3: a lefty, so I was throwing like cutters and sliders

913
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 3: and stuff. You know, obviously I don't throw a million

914
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: miles an hour. Dude, hit a four hit a ball

915
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 3: to dead center field, founderfoot bounce off the wall, and

916
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, why isn't this guy in the majors? And

917
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 3: two years later, you know, he got drafted by the Rangers.

918
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 3: Things didn't pan out. He went to the Brewers personally,

919
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: I know, you know, like, I just don't you know, one,

920
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily think there's enough opportunity for him there.

921
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: If we have Diggerson there for another year, Marte is

922
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 3: going to be an expensive option, and I'm glad he's

923
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 3: on our team. Though, I think Charlo Marte, regardless of

924
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 3: the steroid suspension a few years back, as an excellent player.

925
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 3: I think we just have better options. I think, you know,

926
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 3: Lewis Princeton hasn't necessarily panned out, not to say that

927
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: he won't with us or somewhere else. I just you know,

928
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lose any sleeping night if we turn

929
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: the page on him.

930
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: Hey man, All things aside, Shout out to Louis Princeton,

931
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to Monte Harrison, shout out to Nunez. I'm

932
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: talking about the guys that were out at the drive

933
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 2: for Marlin's Impact today. It was a beautiful thing to

934
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,919
Speaker 2: witness watch the Marlins come and support our community out

935
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: here in South Florida, you know, seeing the kids bring

936
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 2: him smiles to kids' faces. Dude, it was a beautiful

937
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 2: thing to witness. And like all things aside, like I

938
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: feel where you're coming from that you're not satisfied as

939
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 2: a fan as an individual watching Louis Printon and not

940
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: coming up to the expectations that you have, that we have.

941
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, All things aside, shout

942
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: out to him and the Marlins organization for leaving a

943
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 2: mark in the next generation, leaving an impact in the youth. Yeah.

944
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: All this week they have events lines up either at

945
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: Marlins Park or surrounding communities. They have one other drive

946
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: through food distribution up at Roger Dean and Jupiter, and

947
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: they're agatting the players involved. As you said, Brinson and Monte,

948
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: we're out there today. I think Isan, Miggey Rowe are

949
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: going to be involved in these coming days at other events.

950
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 5: So that's good.

951
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: Sa Billy the Marlins dressed up as Santa. Yeah, Big

952
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 2: Billy's slim his diet looking pretty good. Billy's all slimmed up.

953
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 2: He's on that tuna diet. Yeah.

954
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 5: Good to see.

955
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: And I think I think it's only appropriate to mention

956
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 1: the other news that came out today somewhat surprisingly from

957
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: Joefersorrow MLB dot com in seasons covering the Marlins and

958
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: put out a big letter today announcing that he's going

959
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: to retire after nineteen years. He penned this little letter,

960
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: my time is now to come out of the lineup.

961
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: I put the whole thing up on fish strips right

962
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: on our homepage so that people can read it. I

963
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 1: transcribed to the whole thing from his picks that he

964
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: put up there. His official last day with MLB dot

965
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: com December twenty eighth, so just two and a half

966
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: weeks right at the end of the year. After covering

967
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: these virtual winter meetings. Just some little quotes in here

968
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: from him about how grateful he is the Marlins organization.

969
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: It's a guy that he grew up rooting for Don Mattingly,

970
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: and seeing him when Manager of the Year brought a

971
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: lot join to him. Thankful to all the fans who

972
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 1: are passionate about this sport that I love so greatly.

973
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: I'll miss the grinds, I'll miss my teammates, my colleagues

974
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: who are immenseally talented and provide daily baseball coverage second

975
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: to none. My work family is special to me. And

976
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: he had somewhat of an interesting relationship with Fish Stripes.

977
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: The people that ran the site before I did were

978
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: did not get along with him and got into some

979
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: unflattering disputes with him that I felt were kind of inappropriate.

980
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: When I took over the site a few years ago,

981
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: I tried my best to mentor relationship with him. And

982
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: when we've had the good fortune these last couple of

983
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 1: years to send riders to the ballpark to cover.

984
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 5: Games, he was usually pretty.

985
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: Helpful with that, with getting people comfortable with getting to

986
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: know them, giving them some tips, and yeah, he's been

987
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 1: through it all. Man I mean this franchise being twenty seven,

988
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: twenty eight years old, and him being on the beat

989
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: for about two thirds of that.

990
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 5: He saw everything.

991
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: He saw the World Series, he saw d Train at

992
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: his peak, He saw Josh Johnson at his peak. He

993
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: saw Hanley and Stanton and Jose and everybody in between.

994
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the first time that I was credential

995
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: does media walking into a Marlins game, right, and I

996
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,959
Speaker 2: walk into the press box area, and the first guy

997
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 2: that I walk in and I see is Joe Fizzarro.

998
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, I'm like, yo, this is the guy that

999
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: I've always seen on MLB dot com. As a kid,

1000
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 2: I used to send emails to the inbox to ask questions.

1001
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:24,720
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It was it was exciting

1002
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: and and and it would be controversial, controversial at times

1003
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 2: that I would think. I was like, all right, I agree,

1004
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 2: I disagree with what Joe's saying. He's not saying. And

1005
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: he would serve up the pot and it was cool,

1006
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. He would do his job.

1007
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: So it was cool for me to meet him, and

1008
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: and I was thankful to meet him, and and the

1009
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: way that he was he was a. He had a

1010
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 2: funny humor about him. He was a nodball. He was

1011
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 2: a good guy. He was a baseball head. Respect him, bro,

1012
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: He's got mad knowledge. He's a legend and a long

1013
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 2: story short man. If I can like through the humor

1014
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: he he brought. The dark humor he bought was awesome.

1015
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: So Joe, thank you for everything you did, your dedication,

1016
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 2: your motivation, your exposure, for revealing everything that you could

1017
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 2: to Marlin's nation. Enjoy retirement, man. You know what I'm saying,

1018
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: I know is retirement from MLB dot com. But I

1019
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: know he's gonna do some other stuff. I know he

1020
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: had some funny segments with his shirts and his messages

1021
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 2: during the seventh inning stretch.

1022
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 3: Oh and in a franchise that's marred by instability, with

1023
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 3: overhead turning over, you know, new managers, new players, he

1024
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 3: was a definitely stable as enforced you know him, Rich Waltz,

1025
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: Tommy Hutt and all those guys that have that did games,

1026
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: have done games, Jeff Conine, that have just been in

1027
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 3: the organization for so long. Jack McKean, he's one of

1028
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 3: those guys that I think when you think of the

1029
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: Miami Marlins, people who don't necessarily get the credit that

1030
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: they deserve. He's definitely He's kind of been like ourlu Garrett.

1031
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: He's been there for so long, and I'm you know,

1032
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: I've always been a fan of Joe for sorrows and

1033
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 3: watched him, you know, do reporting on an MOBI network

1034
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: when they've talked Marlins for years. You know that, I've

1035
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: always been a fan of his. So it's gonna be

1036
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 3: gonna be a hard act of follow for sure, to

1037
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,320
Speaker 3: say the least.

1038
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was always the first guy there and the

1039
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: last one out. Dude, I'll never forget, Like going back

1040
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: to the first the first game I was there, I

1041
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: was like, boom, the game was over. I was ready

1042
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: to head out. Everybody was bouncing out, but Joe was

1043
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: still there on his computer writing up his article and

1044
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, let me finish up this article

1045
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: before I drive back down to Miami. He was a Jupiter.

1046
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: I was like, let me finish this real quick, you

1047
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. And I finished the article, posted

1048
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 2: it and then I thanked them. Was like, yo, Joe,

1049
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 2: thank you, bro. I would have not seen him doing that,

1050
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 2: that dedication, that grind, that's the that's the way bro

1051
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: I told him. I was like, oh hey, Basically I

1052
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:01,720
Speaker 2: told him, I like, yo, this and with the future.

1053
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Thanks for the example, dude.

1054
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 3: I think that's a perfect way to end tonight's show.

1055
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll keep you posted into who fills his shoes,

1056
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: because I mean, unfortunately in this market, there was a

1057
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: lot of scaling down in Marlin's coverage this year. I

1058
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: mean the Sun Sentinel for the first time and forever

1059
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: they didn't have a daily beat writer. The Athletic had

1060
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: Marlin's coverage for a couple of years and then in

1061
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: the middle of this year they backed out on that

1062
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: part of layoffs.

1063
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 5: So but with MLB dot Com.

1064
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: They don't really have a choice, like they need to

1065
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: fill have a full time guy with covering every single team.

1066
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: And we're now barely two months away from the start

1067
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: of spring training, so I imagine they're gonna be looking.

1068
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 5: For a replacement.

1069
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: We'll see exactly what the hiring process is. We'll keep

1070
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: posted and whether that person that takes a job is

1071
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: somebody that we're familiar with or whether it's somebody new.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting to see how they handle it.

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Speaker 5: Because it's as.

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Speaker 1: Great as Joe was. He was somewhat of an outlier

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Speaker 1: in the fact that he had been around so long

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Speaker 1: in that position. He was there ever since the beginning

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Speaker 1: of MLB dot com coverage. I think he's one of

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Speaker 1: the few that had made it that long. So, no

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Speaker 1: matter what, the style is gonna look different and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna take some getting used to. But for Marlon's Barbecue,

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Speaker 1: Eli Susman, Alex Canturis Lewis Adio Weiss making his Fish

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Speaker 1: Strips podcast debut. You can see this episode. He'll listen

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Speaker 1: to this episode wherever you get your pod. I might

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Speaker 1: put this up on YouTube as well so people can

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Speaker 1: see the episode for themselves. But yeah, we're gonna have

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Speaker 1: a lot more to talk about. Hopefully rosters full at

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Speaker 1: the moment, but a lot of other options for the

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Speaker 1: Marlins to improve their team, and more coverage and analysis

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Speaker 1: of these moves up on fish stripes dot com. You

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Speaker 1: know where to find me on Twitter at fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: and at Real Eli, and you can find Lewis at

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Speaker 1: Adio Underscore Lewis zero zero. You can find Alex at

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Speaker 1: the Real Acon and also at Talk Baseball TV. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in, guys, Go Fish.

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Speaker 2: Even that everybody at about that everybody att