Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.
Speaker 2: So we're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion
Speaker 2: who talks.
Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a
Speaker 1: new episode of We Talk Back, a show dedicated to
Speaker 1: you dreamers and chasers. It's your co host, AJ Holiday.
Speaker 1: What's up to you?
Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, It's official Tmvan. I love y'all. Thank y'all
Speaker 2: for tuning in. Again. We got a guest with us today.
Speaker 2: Laura le Rossa. Do her introduction. I know you got it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so why you let me do it? Okay? You're
Speaker 1: not be writing nice little introductions for the guests. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, y'alls listen. Today's guest is simply a brown
Speaker 1: girl grinding okay. A former news producer for TMZ, also
Speaker 1: on air talent for over seven years. Also for the
Speaker 1: past year, y'all have seen her as a recurring guest
Speaker 1: host on The Breakfast Club with CHARLAMAGNEA God and DJ
Speaker 1: Envy and Again. She's a producer, she's a model, she's
Speaker 1: an actress. She's dominating and documenting her journey through the
Speaker 1: world of entertainment via lifestyle vlogs on her self produced
Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Lauren lo Rosa TV. And at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's Lauren Lorosa. You like that?
Speaker 2: Yes, I love.
Speaker 3: How you bought it all together. At the end of
Speaker 3: the day, it's new too, So you've been you, you
Speaker 3: did your research.
Speaker 2: How y'all doing.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to
Speaker 3: be with girls that talk back, because maybe I'll be
Speaker 3: talking back and maybe like share up.
Speaker 2: Yes, how was y'all? Weekend?
Speaker 1: It was good?
Speaker 3: Not cool?
Speaker 2: What'd you do?
Speaker 3: I don't really do much and nothing. I went out.
Speaker 3: I had some friends in town. I newly got a
Speaker 3: place here in Jersey, so just like letting people know
Speaker 3: that I'm here and like popping out a little bit,
Speaker 3: like dinners and stuff like that. Nothing too too crazy.
Speaker 2: What about you?
Speaker 1: I've been sick? The fuck?
Speaker 3: What is happening?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Then I saw this post on social media how everybody sick?
Speaker 1: So apparently there's something going around. And the only place
Speaker 1: I've been to was the grocery store.
Speaker 3: It's like a cold, but it sounds like the flu.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, yeah, I call I called a SAT
Speaker 2: I was like hello, I was like, to you I
Speaker 2: was like, goddamn, girl.
Speaker 1: I'm sweating right now, Like I really need like a
Speaker 1: fan and the ice pack. I'm so hot, but it's
Speaker 1: coming out. That's my weekend, y'all.
Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all about my weekend. So one of
Speaker 2: my good friends, she was having her twin babies christen
Speaker 2: this weekend in Atlanta. So I went down to celebrate
Speaker 2: the babies and go to the christening and it was
Speaker 2: such a good time. And at the end of the
Speaker 2: church service, my friend pulled me to the front. She
Speaker 2: was like, I want to let get the pastor to
Speaker 2: pray for you. So I went to the front and
Speaker 2: the pastor like it was two of them that was
Speaker 2: praying over me, and both of them took that holy
Speaker 2: oil and we're like, put it in their hand right,
Speaker 2: and they laid hands on my head right and it
Speaker 2: was mashing it in. I feel like the pastor was
Speaker 2: making trying to make me go down, but I was like.
Speaker 3: I'm not going down.
Speaker 2: I'm not going down. I'm not going down. So he
Speaker 2: was just mashing that holy oil right into my lace. Baby.
Speaker 2: By the time I.
Speaker 1: Got out, just moved back because the oil movie.
Speaker 2: Baby, I was lifted. I was lifted in the spirit,
Speaker 2: and so was my lace. My ship was so high up.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh my god, it looks so bad, y'all.
Speaker 2: And I just had to walk around talking everybody. Had
Speaker 2: you enjoyed the service? Lace? Just standing up.
Speaker 3: Some good today because because.
Speaker 2: I had to take that thing up and set put
Speaker 2: it back down and you wanted to push it back anyway.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a hand shout and that is.
Speaker 1: It looked good. I feel like that on purpose. They
Speaker 1: was trying to see if that was your hair or not.
Speaker 2: It was two it was two men too hens right there.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, thank you God, but too yes yes,
Speaker 2: So hopefully the prayers come true. Amen.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 2: So our first segment of the show is called Stupid
Speaker 2: Internet News. I don't know if you've seen it or
Speaker 2: heard it before, but it's just our Sins of the
Speaker 2: week where we discussed everything dumb that's going on in
Speaker 2: the world, everything that's good. So let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Brown and all. Start. You see
Speaker 2: that over the weekend Chris Brown going on. I saw
Speaker 2: that you had a post recently about Chris.
Speaker 3: Grow They still I'm still getting onplications and people were
Speaker 3: so angry at me.
Speaker 1: Yes too, how about that?
Speaker 3: Like they like they like, they're like, fuck her, that's
Speaker 3: why she didn't get the breakfast club job.
Speaker 2: Now, people was on there saying that the big man.
Speaker 3: That's like, that's like the lightest of of the comments.
Speaker 3: But when you when you talk about anything Chris Brown,
Speaker 3: especially if you're not saying sending him to hell and
Speaker 3: do rid of him, people wanna you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. I saw it though, and I was like,
Speaker 3: we still arguing about.
Speaker 2: Chris, right, all right? So that's my whole point, right right.
Speaker 2: So what happened over the weekend For people who don't know,
Speaker 2: Chris Brown is slamming the NBA and claiming he was
Speaker 2: disinvited from the least annual NBA All Star Celebrity Game
Speaker 2: due to his past domestic violence controversies. The R and
Speaker 2: B singer posted several screenshots of emails on his Instagram
Speaker 2: story early Saturday morning, which appeared to be sent by
Speaker 2: the NBA. Now, do we feel like it's about Rihanna still?
Speaker 2: Because that ship old as hell.
Speaker 3: I think it's about all of the eth But you
Speaker 3: got Rihanna, you got Caruci who had called police reports.
Speaker 3: You have just everything that has followed him since, Like people,
Speaker 3: he's just been like the bad kid in school.
Speaker 2: He can't shake it.
Speaker 3: So people, I think people, brands are afraid to touch him.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's that's what I think too, because
Speaker 2: I mean, here we have doctor Dre has a whole
Speaker 2: award named after him at the Grammys, and he's a
Speaker 2: known woman beater. I feel like Doctor Dre's stuff never
Speaker 2: really stuck though, Like to be honest with you, like,
Speaker 2: I think because Michelai had that whole like what was
Speaker 2: it like a docu.
Speaker 3: Sente or something like it was.
Speaker 1: Whatever situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that the age groups matter too,
Speaker 3: because like social media and all that stuff was a
Speaker 3: lot bigger when even though it's even bigger now when
Speaker 3: the Chris Browniana stuff happened. And I also think Rihanna
Speaker 3: is like she was then it is now the girl
Speaker 3: and as sad as it is, it's like I think
Speaker 3: when black women are like beating bruises and what battered,
Speaker 3: the world already cares to a certain extent and not really,
Speaker 3: but if you're not like a Megda Stallion or Rihanna,
Speaker 3: like if this was any other woman, Like people don't
Speaker 3: even talk about Crucci.
Speaker 2: Mm hm, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I think with doctor Dre he kind of got
Speaker 3: able to like move around it because the women weren't
Speaker 3: like big householdines. He was so basically doctor Dre, Doctor
Speaker 3: Dre beat the right bitches, what I mean, that's what
Speaker 3: it looks like like No for real though, because it.
Speaker 1: All from a time where it just gotta be a bigger.
Speaker 3: And there was a yeah, a lot of stuff I
Speaker 3: think too during their times. I don't think we know
Speaker 3: because of the music, the lyrics, like everything. A lot
Speaker 3: of stuff during their time was excusable.
Speaker 2: For what they were. Like they like we we talked back.
Speaker 3: Now he's your podcast, So it's a little bit different
Speaker 3: now these days, Like it wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't the same, Dame we.
Speaker 1: Fight back because who we shoot back over here that
Speaker 1: we shoot first first.
Speaker 3: The right one.
Speaker 1: But I think it is whack for all these different
Speaker 1: organizations to initiate these invitations to Chris Brown only to
Speaker 1: pull him back because this is not the first time
Speaker 1: it's happened. I can't recall off hand the last time,
Speaker 1: but this I've definitely seen this type of shit happen
Speaker 1: with him before, Like just like he said, just leave
Speaker 1: him alone. He'll go wherever he's appreciated, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So so Ruffles came out, and Ruffles was like, get
Speaker 3: somebody else to do it. The wind on the door, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like doesn't look even crazier because like y'all not even standing.
Speaker 3: One of the brands gotta stand on something, and one
Speaker 3: of y'all are not. Neither one of y'all are standing
Speaker 3: on anything. So now it looks like y'all scared to
Speaker 3: be like, oh, we don't want to sit next to him,
Speaker 3: but y'all don't want to say that. It's like pick
Speaker 3: a side, right, y'all.
Speaker 2: Be having too much fucking air in that bag of chips?
Speaker 2: Why is that much air? Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: We only even tenor ruffles anyway.
Speaker 2: The sound cream and Cheddar is the only one. We
Speaker 2: y'all only put ten chips in the bad and get
Speaker 2: it together.
Speaker 3: Nah, but the world ain't never gonna let Chris Brown
Speaker 3: let us down, and like it's it's okay, like right,
Speaker 3: some people are forever gonna feel like that man deserves hell.
Speaker 3: And if that's how you feel, that's how you feel,
Speaker 3: and if you don't, that you don't. But when it
Speaker 3: comes to the brands, I never want us to think
Speaker 3: that these brands get too straight out exactly, particularly us,
Speaker 3: but especially once you got a little tainted version of
Speaker 3: us like that. They're gonna protect their business. I don't
Speaker 3: care how black the company team looks or whatever.
Speaker 2: Business is. Business is business.
Speaker 1: Quick. Everybody jumped off that deep that p did train
Speaker 1: got the hell up out.
Speaker 2: Of the baby do we?
Speaker 3: We don't drink deliere.
Speaker 1: I never drunk it.
Speaker 3: I liked I like.
Speaker 2: I mean, if if niggas had it in the section
Speaker 2: I was drinking, wasn't it was the owned by a
Speaker 2: black man?
Speaker 3: That was that?
Speaker 1: It wasn't? But really was it? Because you got out
Speaker 1: of your whole, Brandy?
Speaker 3: If it were what we got left, we got douce,
Speaker 3: we got the DT award.
Speaker 1: No, we don't have none of them things. BT is
Speaker 1: not black owned, nor is for real because he was
Speaker 1: just in the whole thing with who owns do say
Speaker 1: all simately lois vatan right like the whole like the
Speaker 1: whole you know, conglomerate. Yeah, so you know these are partnerships.
Speaker 1: So you're not good for the brand.
Speaker 2: A lot of times though.
Speaker 3: A lot of times though, because I think with the
Speaker 3: situation with Diddy, it made people be like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is what I'm talking about. Black people don't know how to
Speaker 3: do business. And then they have the conversation about jay
Speaker 3: Z and him being a capitalist, and I think people
Speaker 3: need to understand the two of like, you got to
Speaker 3: scale up before you can.
Speaker 2: Completely own it.
Speaker 3: You wouldn't be able to put duce out the way
Speaker 3: that it is if jay Z primarily but we don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of private label, black owned companies that
Speaker 3: can help him scale. So it's like, what the hell
Speaker 3: is he supposed to do? So everything is only gonna
Speaker 3: be black on to a certain extent. They got mad
Speaker 3: at remember Honey pot, Yes they got mad at her
Speaker 3: when she sold. They got mad at uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we get mad.
Speaker 3: But it's like, yo, what we how are we supposed
Speaker 3: to scale the business there? But a like running back,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I feel like I.
Speaker 2: Feel like capitalists.
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I know, right, But that
Speaker 1: is one of the things they never wanted us to learn,
Speaker 1: especially like during slavery and shit, like the science of business,
Speaker 1: because anytime a black person creates something and it gets
Speaker 1: so big, they come in with this number you can't deny, right,
Speaker 1: and you sell the thing with honeypot is like you
Speaker 1: start looking at the ingredients on shit before and after,
Speaker 1: you know, after his bot. I'm not sticking that up.
Speaker 1: I'm like, cuci no more. I'm sorry because we already
Speaker 1: know y'all have been fucked with the hair products for
Speaker 1: how many years? You got black women with cervical cans
Speaker 1: and all the type of shit going on, Like we
Speaker 1: have to be concerned about those things. And if we
Speaker 1: are the ones that put your your product, you know,
Speaker 1: at the top, we do, you do owe some type
Speaker 1: of loyalty a little bit, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I understand, like the partnership's black effect, you know,
Speaker 1: in partnership with iHeart, a lot of people's talking shit.
Speaker 1: Oh Charlamagne don't own as yes he does, he owns
Speaker 1: fifty one percent, right, so it's still his business. But
Speaker 1: in order to get as big as you want to get,
Speaker 1: you do have to partner with these bigger, bigger companies.
Speaker 1: But at some point, I don't know, at some point
Speaker 1: we got to take a stance and we got to
Speaker 1: be able to put other people in places, just not
Speaker 1: today with some of these brands.
Speaker 3: Y'all wion't take a staying nothing. But we collected they.
Speaker 1: Want to it out there. Get Timeline.
Speaker 2: Y'all listen after she put that tattoo in her face,
Speaker 2: and I was like, Lord, just Jesus takes you moving back.
Speaker 3: In with him?
Speaker 2: She moved in with him, jail, I don't want it.
Speaker 2: She moved back into the crew. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know what what that looks like for her,
Speaker 3: and that baby moved back into the crib.
Speaker 2: And once that.
Speaker 3: Happened, I said, I don't know what type of what
Speaker 3: is over there. The way he be busting down. I
Speaker 3: never want to be that.
Speaker 1: I never want Those are demons.
Speaker 2: I just met one of the girls.
Speaker 1: Get away, Okay.
Speaker 2: I just met one of those. Is crazy. I just
Speaker 2: met one of those.
Speaker 3: It's like, I can I can see the demon like.
Speaker 1: Get away, get away?
Speaker 2: All right? So now did y'all see over the weekend,
Speaker 2: this mother she was excited that her daughter was embarking
Speaker 2: on her business as a waxer, and she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm teaching my child a generational wealth. And she done
Speaker 2: had twenty four clients, and then we see this image
Speaker 2: of this young baby over a woman's vagina, you know,
Speaker 2: and the vagina has blurred out obviously. But this lady
Speaker 2: went to jail yesterday. They arrested her for sexual child
Speaker 2: abuse or child abuse neglect. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: sexual child neglect. How do y'all feel about that? Do
Speaker 2: y'all feel like that was actually child neglect?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? I felt like it should have happened before it happened.
Speaker 1: I was hope, not hoping, because I find it so hard.
Speaker 1: As much as as much shit as I talk, I
Speaker 1: do like have a tough time super condemning people, right,
Speaker 1: so I try to like play devil's advocates. Sometimes this
Speaker 1: is a situation where I cannot play Devil's advocate because
Speaker 1: at what point she just didn't have the wherewithal to
Speaker 1: know that that's child abuse.
Speaker 2: She was ignorant. I don't feel like it was like
Speaker 2: a sexual act of any sort. I just feel like
Speaker 2: she was an ignorant mom who thought this was her
Speaker 2: trying to give her child some education so she could
Speaker 2: make money for herself. That's what it's five.
Speaker 1: Years old, working a seven hours shift. Yeah, that's child later.
Speaker 2: The hardest, but not even the ship.
Speaker 3: It was hard to see the little girl with the
Speaker 3: like this in between the spread legs, Like I just
Speaker 3: feel like there are certain things that you're as a
Speaker 3: as a kid, as a baby that just shouldn't you
Speaker 3: shouldn't be exposed to right away. But I don't know
Speaker 3: about y'alling how y'all grew up. I mean, my mom
Speaker 3: was to have me waxing. No no, I for keep forgetting.
Speaker 3: I can say certain words on her. My mom was
Speaker 3: having me waxing, no coochies and nothing like that. But
Speaker 3: I was the oldest in the household, and I'll be
Speaker 3: watching this this girl she writes letters to the oldest
Speaker 3: black like their older black daughters or whatever, and she
Speaker 3: talks about how like years I don't know if this
Speaker 3: was the oldest child or not, but she talks about
Speaker 3: how you'res exposed and stuff so early, and it's because,
Speaker 3: like your parents, OKI are trying to get you ready
Speaker 3: because the world they did, you know, they sposed so
Speaker 3: much sh her way, but it takes away from you
Speaker 3: being five. She should be cocoa melon and not like
Speaker 3: waxing people's melons for real. Like that shit is crazy
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: It was hard to watch, I agree, and especially like
Speaker 2: you don't even really understand your own anatomy yet at
Speaker 2: five years old, so to be looking at some adult
Speaker 2: women's vagina, like it's just a lot, it's too much.
Speaker 3: You still say in private parts and don't forget that
Speaker 3: people are fucking That's what.
Speaker 1: I was trying to wax in these people exactly. That's
Speaker 1: what I told Sam earlier. Like what if? Because I
Speaker 1: feel like, for whatever reason, we think women are exempt
Speaker 1: from being predators when they are apex predators a lot
Speaker 1: of them. Okay, so you have women in the community
Speaker 1: who probably eviolated little girls before. Now they know that
Speaker 1: this particular wax pallar has five year olds giving wax jobs, Like,
Speaker 1: why would I not go get waxed by this five
Speaker 1: year old? If that's the type of shit I'm into?
Speaker 1: Like her mom put her in danger, Yes, her mom
Speaker 1: put her in danger.
Speaker 3: Wax is high because if it was a man, so
Speaker 3: many very like are you say if it was a
Speaker 3: man doing it like a man like letting his son
Speaker 3: do that type of shit, like the world would be
Speaker 3: an uproar?
Speaker 2: Yeah right, what they don't?
Speaker 3: Because I feel like people got mad at no, for real,
Speaker 3: I feel like men people got mad when Boozy was
Speaker 3: talking about how he like his son was young and
Speaker 3: had like what was it the sun got hit or whatever.
Speaker 3: But there was so many people that was like, I
Speaker 3: mean shit, at least you know he not gay, Like
Speaker 3: they were rationalizing it, like it's a little different with
Speaker 3: you don't know.
Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. This makes me think of
Speaker 2: a childhood story of mine where I got I got
Speaker 2: a spanking for this, and I shouldn't have gotten a speaking.
Speaker 2: So I remember the cnsay that we had as a kid.
Speaker 2: Did I tell this story? I already No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But you remember the see and say you pulled the
Speaker 2: string and it be like he hanged and be pointing
Speaker 2: at whatever animal and it's spin around y'all. Remember, no, no, Lauren,
Speaker 2: no cnsay. It was like a little toy and it
Speaker 2: have like an arrow to have animals all around it
Speaker 2: and the string and it'll spin around and it'll stop
Speaker 2: on the animal and when the string goes in, it'll
Speaker 2: make the animal sound. Okay, the eighties anyway, So I
Speaker 2: used to love that toy, right, and my mom was
Speaker 2: I think we were getting dressed to go somewhere. She
Speaker 2: had me already dressed and she was in the bathroom
Speaker 2: getting dressed, but she left the bathroom door open and
Speaker 2: I was just sitting on the floor playing with my
Speaker 2: see andsay, and I looked in the bathroom. She was
Speaker 2: she wasn't clothed yet, and I saw a string hanging
Speaker 2: out of her and I was like, oh, ship, my
Speaker 2: mama is a I went up. I went up, I
Speaker 2: went up and pulled that string. Baby, whatever was in
Speaker 2: there flew out on me, and I was I was
Speaker 2: like four or five years old, and I thought my
Speaker 2: mama was a censa. And I got popped because then
Speaker 2: she had to change my clothes. She's like, I can't
Speaker 2: even stay used the bathroom by myself. And then I
Speaker 2: think that was the she started lock of me out
Speaker 2: the bathroom. I didn't get so did that? Did that?
Speaker 3: Did that haunt you in your experience when you started.
Speaker 2: Using yes, I won't even use this, won't use I
Speaker 2: won't use that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know what has happened.
Speaker 2: Happened?
Speaker 1: My mom is a singing rain so crazy.
Speaker 3: At least that's all you pizza in the bathroom and salt.
Speaker 3: At least it wasn't.
Speaker 1: Like waxing your mama.
Speaker 2: Right, My mom was like, come wax me, that's.
Speaker 1: Definitely some precious ship. I'm sorry. All I thought would
Speaker 1: have thought about was Monique and precious, Like what are
Speaker 1: you doing with your child? Man?
Speaker 3: Why couldn't the mom just like put the LLC in
Speaker 3: her name or you know, like some regular like regular
Speaker 3: people stuff like why why do we always?
Speaker 1: And then I put it on the internet.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been mad at if she was doing
Speaker 2: armpits or lit. I would have been mad at.
Speaker 3: Yes, eyeb it's the heat though of the wax and
Speaker 3: a five year old though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you put it online because she thought
Speaker 1: she was right. She really thought she was right. She
Speaker 1: thought it was flying. She thought it was flying.
Speaker 2: My baby made seven hundred and fifty dollars a day. Well,
Speaker 2: how much your baby baby? That's how she was.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all listen. Have y'all been following this who
Speaker 1: the fuck that I marry story on TikTok? This girl
Speaker 1: her name is uh Tessa, Resa, Resa Tisa of some
Speaker 1: shit like that, Resa Tisa. I watched all.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it.
Speaker 3: So I've been seeing people talk about the fact that
Speaker 3: people were watching fifty parts of a TikTok story but
Speaker 3: I didn't go watch it. Is it worth to watch?
Speaker 1: She talks?
Speaker 2: Everybody seems to think.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yes, because it's informative and some people
Speaker 1: may be experiencing this ship right now, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and like at the house confused because when
Speaker 1: you're in a relationship with a pathological liar, with a narcissist,
Speaker 1: sometimes you think you tripping, you know, So it could
Speaker 1: help a lot.
Speaker 3: So what's the premise of the like happened?
Speaker 1: Let me give y'all a little quick, little rundown. So
Speaker 1: she met this guy on a dating website during COVID. Okay,
Speaker 1: she met him like that March, I believe. So COVID
Speaker 1: we went in lockdown like February. Now they're in Atlanta.
Speaker 1: Atlanta ain't never really locked down, but anyway, so people
Speaker 1: were still slinging dick at the beginning of COVID and so.
Speaker 2: Boy and when COVID happened, let me say this, I
Speaker 2: was trying to figure out how I was gonna fuck
Speaker 2: through a shout curtain. I really was like trying to
Speaker 2: figure out.
Speaker 3: So I had a boyfriend, and so I was cool,
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to figure out how I
Speaker 3: was going up with a baby.
Speaker 1: Y'all made it through Well, obviously, y'all inn't make it
Speaker 1: through COVID. If you're trying to find we made it.
Speaker 1: We made it.
Speaker 2: We made it through COVID. But we're gonna get it
Speaker 2: to okay, We're gonna get it to your sit.
Speaker 1: So apparently this guy had matched with her on two
Speaker 1: different sites. This was already the first red flag, y'all.
Speaker 1: He matched with her on two different dating websites under
Speaker 1: two different names. Like one of the websites it was
Speaker 1: a variation of his other name. She found out this
Speaker 1: dude was a twin later on all type of little
Speaker 1: wear shit. But he just kept giving her to run
Speaker 1: around about buying a house and buying her a new car,
Speaker 1: and just like a super dupa, like if the nigga
Speaker 1: mouth was moving, he was lying like that's just the
Speaker 1: gist of the whole thing. And so now TikTok has
Speaker 1: found the guy. Right, his name is Legion, and when
Speaker 1: I like, that's his nickname. So when I hear Legion,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Legion and demons. Right, So this is wi
Speaker 1: you sleep, This is so you sleeping next to And
Speaker 1: she would say how he can quote the Bible and
Speaker 1: all that because his father was supposedly a pastor.
Speaker 3: It's always really wasn't a pastor. If they quote the
Speaker 3: Bible and they willing to do, what's that you don't
Speaker 3: have sex abstin if they wanted to be they quote
Speaker 3: the Bible right off the bat.
Speaker 1: She said, to be willing to sustain he's a demon
Speaker 1: that as wild. Yeah, so yeah, it's fifty. No, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch all fifty. I was doing every other one right.
Speaker 1: But if you want the full context of the story,
Speaker 1: because you see people in the comments like questioning her
Speaker 1: about ship she had already disclosed earlier on. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: if you watched the whole series and you know what
Speaker 1: was happening, I'm sick in the house. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: watched it just because I just wanted This is a
Speaker 1: particular story I just wanted to know about, because I
Speaker 1: felt like, damn, why the hell I put my last
Speaker 1: relationship story on TikTok, Because I mean, she's blowing up.
Speaker 1: I would have gotten monetized first. She tripping right like
Speaker 1: a'to late girl. No, my shit is a movie. That's
Speaker 1: where mine's going at Because some of the things she
Speaker 1: was saying some of the shit she was saying, Like
Speaker 1: she said she was at work one day and he
Speaker 1: just called her out the brum. And this is after
Speaker 1: they got married and all of that. Within months, Okay,
Speaker 1: she had gotten pregnant, she had a miscarriage, all the shit.
Speaker 1: He called her at work one day and was like
Speaker 1: a black some dude just pulled up at your house
Speaker 1: and he's in her house. Okay, So they ended up
Speaker 1: quarantining at her place. Some dude just pulled up like
Speaker 1: calling her while she's at the nail shop, like just
Speaker 1: disturbing her peace. Because when a narcissist never wants you
Speaker 1: to relax, like they want to keep you on edge
Speaker 1: and keep like questioning your reality. So this is the
Speaker 1: type of shit he was doing to her, like just
Speaker 1: playing mind games. The nigga was homeless all just a
Speaker 1: real a real character. I don't know. I think it's
Speaker 1: a mental illness. Come to find out, the he was
Speaker 1: portraying to her his twin brother was actually living. He
Speaker 1: lied to her and said he was a VP of
Speaker 1: his company. He drove a BMW company car, all this
Speaker 1: weird shit. He was paid for pussy on apps Like
Speaker 1: it was a mess. Okay, it's a mess. But this
Speaker 1: happened between twenty and twenty one, and she's like in
Speaker 1: recovery mode. So her putting the shit on TikTok is
Speaker 1: like her.
Speaker 2: Therapy, a former healing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I get it. I get it girl, Okay,
Speaker 1: but she.
Speaker 3: Was so hold on. So all this happened, she left
Speaker 3: on right, she left on and now she's on TikTok
Speaker 3: talking about it. She is she date? Like why, Like,
Speaker 3: so she's putting it out there, like is she trying
Speaker 3: to get money back there? No, she just just just.
Speaker 1: To help other women. It's like that's some real traumatizing shit.
Speaker 1: So she's saying like I'm just now being able to
Speaker 1: verbalize what I was going through, Like my family didn't
Speaker 1: even know what I was going through. Like she was
Speaker 1: saving face, like acting like everything was cool when her
Speaker 1: mom came in town, Like you know, because we have
Speaker 1: this thing where you supposed to keep your business to
Speaker 1: yourself and your relationship. I'm not one of them, because
Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody all the fuck shit you did, bitch,
Speaker 1: because when I need somebody home, he accountable to not
Speaker 1: fuck with you no more. My friend's gonna do it.
Speaker 3: So would you be going back though, well being.
Speaker 1: We give each other grace. You know I'm going back.
Speaker 1: You know I'm going back for that day.
Speaker 3: I don't mean I'm not to give graces. Friend, That's
Speaker 3: what I'm sitting here, Like, why does the sis had
Speaker 3: to have known that there was after a while in
Speaker 3: there before.
Speaker 1: I think you should keep your dumb bitch to your
Speaker 1: your dumb bit shit to yourself sometimes, you know, until
Speaker 1: you're really ready. Sometimes it just depends on I've never
Speaker 1: dealt with like a pathological liar per se, so.
Speaker 3: Where it's like so bad that you like, I noticed
Speaker 3: nigga like.
Speaker 1: He is no way pat her looking at seven hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollar houses talking about he got a cash down
Speaker 1: payment because he played arena football. Bitch, you never googled
Speaker 1: the arena football salary. They don't make no money.
Speaker 2: So none of that ship was true.
Speaker 1: Nothing. His entire life was a lie. But the way,
Speaker 1: I'm a pet detective, and if any of our listeners,
Speaker 1: if y'all dealing with somebody and you just got a
Speaker 1: little inkling in your mind, this nigga who he said,
Speaker 1: is sending to me, I'm gonna find him. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: find all the shit about him in twenty.
Speaker 3: Four hours all these platforms. Now, I'm just saying her, like,
Speaker 3: how does this not like when like the first line
Speaker 3: started to crumble, It's like, how you don't I know,
Speaker 3: I'm a little too crazy for somebody to lie to
Speaker 3: me that deep and that long. Like it just wouldn't fly.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't. I'm not easily finessed so that.
Speaker 2: But but she probably just wanted to have somebody. It
Speaker 2: was COVID. She was probably lonely. This man was digging
Speaker 2: her down. I'm sure they was having raw set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got pregnant.
Speaker 2: Penis confuses you, so.
Speaker 1: And she said he was paying.
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 3: She said he.
Speaker 1: Was paying all the bills initially, paying all her bills initially. Okay,
Speaker 1: So she said she really got blinded by that because
Speaker 1: her money was her money, and this is all this
Speaker 1: is what we be saying we want right then, sometimes.
Speaker 2: You didn't take her to Apple Bean.
Speaker 1: No, their first date was definitely cheesecake factory. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: they met. Look, he got her on the very first date.
Speaker 1: And this is all I'm gonna say about it, So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop talking about it anyway. So the first date,
Speaker 1: she said she was on the way to meet him
Speaker 1: to the chescake factory and her fucking tire blew out.
Speaker 1: She called him and said, hey, I just blew out
Speaker 1: inside of whatever, two eighty five whatever. He came, took
Speaker 1: her to the tire shop, bought her to tire. The
Speaker 1: pussy is in the bag, Like, you come. You don't
Speaker 1: even know me yet, you come back.
Speaker 3: I had one before. He was a price and he
Speaker 3: was sucking. Honestly, right now.
Speaker 2: It's about to be the season too, It's about to
Speaker 2: be Pisce's men are fun.
Speaker 3: It was such a good time over there. It was
Speaker 3: such a good time over there. And he just they
Speaker 3: just be knowing what to do and how to talk
Speaker 3: to you, and like they do shit like that, like, oh,
Speaker 3: first day I'm talking to you, my my car breaks down.
Speaker 3: What you need a new car here because my girlfriend
Speaker 3: not gonna be riding around with in an uber. And
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, I love him, And then it's
Speaker 3: like everything changes. Now he's hell, he don't inswer the phone,
Speaker 3: he goes days without talking to you. He's fucking the
Speaker 3: shit out of you. And that just stops, and it's like, whoa,
Speaker 3: now I'm outside your mom house.
Speaker 2: Why are you.
Speaker 1: Being weird to me?
Speaker 2: To me yet?
Speaker 3: And then and then once you outside the mom house,
Speaker 3: you why you being weird to me? He still don't
Speaker 3: pick up the phone. Then he just calls you next
Speaker 3: week like hey, babe, what you're doing? You want to
Speaker 3: go here? You want like like nothing happens and you're
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I want to go, And you can't
Speaker 3: understand why it's like that. Like I used to call
Speaker 3: my Jurassic Park because it's hell when you get there.
Speaker 3: But it just seems so.
Speaker 2: Y'all.
Speaker 1: Literally if Dave, they be programming the Kouchie for sure,
Speaker 1: and pices and men are so fine.
Speaker 2: Okay, I had to block mine. They are and it
Speaker 2: I had to block them. Hmm.
Speaker 3: I'm not good at blocking and keeping you there right.
Speaker 2: No, I had to do it this time because I
Speaker 2: was gonna continue to fuck that man if I didn't.
Speaker 2: Is that twenty twenty four No more?
Speaker 3: I can't do it, I said at the top of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four hours. And my friends said, we leave
Speaker 3: in all the toxic niggas behind. I sall who I'm
Speaker 3: taking just in case I need somebody to call. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna just you know, people to the side but they
Speaker 3: gotta come on over a little bit shit.
Speaker 2: All Right, y'all, we're gonna have a commercial break and
Speaker 2: we'll be right back with Lauren la Rossa.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, all right, Laura, Laura Rosa, you are relatively young,
Speaker 1: right I want to talk about or can we talk
Speaker 1: about your time at TMZ.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: You even ended up there because I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: does she go straight from college?
Speaker 3: So I actually I did, but I didn't. I graduated
Speaker 3: from Delaware State University shout out to my HBCU in
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, and then I moved to LA. I was
Speaker 3: there for about six months, and then I couldn't afford
Speaker 3: to be there anymore, and so I were back. And
Speaker 3: then I was at home in Delaware working for about
Speaker 3: a year or two, and then I went back to
Speaker 3: LA and then I started working for TMC. So it
Speaker 3: was my first consistent entertainment job after college. But it
Speaker 3: wasn't right after college, and I started from like the bottom,
Speaker 3: like of And I hate when I say that because
Speaker 3: no shade to the tour guides, but it's not the
Speaker 3: newsroom whatsoever. I was giving tours around Hollywood. You're making
Speaker 3: like fifteen dollars an hour, working two to four hours
Speaker 3: a day. So I had like three jobs, Like you know,
Speaker 3: this is me. Like out of college. I had a
Speaker 3: great marketing job in Delaware, and I was doing entertainment
Speaker 3: stuff on the side, and my family was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: you're doing well, you know, just keep doing it, cute
Speaker 3: little entertainment stuff. So when I decided to leave that
Speaker 3: job and go for a forest, they were like the fuck,
Speaker 3: Like why would.
Speaker 2: You leave some go do tours.
Speaker 3: They could until my mom could turn on the television
Speaker 3: and actually see me on TV. And it's crazy because
Speaker 3: she's a dreamer, Like she has a background in fashion,
Speaker 3: sh moved to New York, the design and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But she's also like a very she's a money person.
Speaker 3: So she couldn't understand me working for free, working for
Speaker 3: not a lot of money, especially when I had the degree,
Speaker 3: my degrees in marketing. I had a great job. I
Speaker 3: was doing marketing for Barclays and you know, I was
Speaker 3: doing a lot of things. She couldn't get it until
Speaker 3: she could turn on the TV and see me, And
Speaker 3: even then it was still kind of like, mm, this
Speaker 3: is cool, but like where is it? Where we going?
Speaker 1: Where the money at?
Speaker 2: And so I was right.
Speaker 3: So I was giving tours for like a good two
Speaker 3: years before they even really started considering me for a
Speaker 3: newsroom like job, like producing news and being on the
Speaker 3: show market sistently.
Speaker 2: All right. So this year Angela Ye left the Breakfast
Speaker 2: Club and she said that it wasn't healthy working in
Speaker 2: this male dominated space. Was it like that for you
Speaker 2: at TMZ? Baby?
Speaker 3: Not to take away from what Angela you went through,
Speaker 3: but when I walked, my experience at Breakfast Club made
Speaker 3: me realize how much I was in hell at TMD
Speaker 3: in that news room. I remember my second day there
Speaker 3: at Breakfast Club, I text all of my friends from
Speaker 3: TMZ that still work there right now and was like,
Speaker 3: the environment that we have been working in for all.
Speaker 1: Of these years is not it's hostile.
Speaker 3: It's very dark, it's very draining, it is very you know,
Speaker 3: it's a news desk environment. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: you guys have ever been in the newsroom that is
Speaker 3: like any newsroom, whether it TMS or not, is very
Speaker 3: like because there's something always happening. You're yelling, you're talking,
Speaker 3: you love somebody, you hate them. That's just our industry
Speaker 3: in general. But and I don't have anything to compare
Speaker 3: it to. I never had anything to compare it to
Speaker 3: until I went to Breakfast Club and got the you know,
Speaker 3: work with them for some time. And when I did,
Speaker 3: I was just like whoa, Yeah, So I not only
Speaker 3: did I experience, like, you know, it being a male
Speaker 3: dominated space, but you got to think about it, like,
Speaker 3: I'm very young in my career at the time when
Speaker 3: I start there, I'm black at the time. You had
Speaker 3: Ben who was on air, Raquel who was on air,
Speaker 3: and then me Charles. You know who's there, but Charles's
Speaker 3: EP so he's kind of removed a lot from certain
Speaker 3: things sometimes even though he's in the day to day
Speaker 3: conversations and tries to support as much as he can.
Speaker 3: Charles get so much shit.
Speaker 1: But is that the guy with the dress.
Speaker 3: He's had to help hold me down in certain Yeah,
Speaker 3: the guy with the dress, he's had to hold me
Speaker 3: down in a certain situations. So I never give him
Speaker 3: too much shit. But I always make the joke that,
Speaker 3: like during Black History went like we count him half
Speaker 3: the time because you know, it just depends on where
Speaker 3: he fell. But it's all love. But like all I had,
Speaker 3: so I had that support when I came in and
Speaker 3: as a tour guy, you got to be on the show.
Speaker 3: So I was on the show a lot even before
Speaker 3: I got on the news desk, but like you know,
Speaker 3: my text were real quick. I'm in and out there
Speaker 3: barely listening to Mevan had to repeat a lot of
Speaker 3: what I was saying most of the time for people
Speaker 3: to even hear me, and then I would leave once
Speaker 3: I actually got on the news desk, And that's a
Speaker 3: whole different beast because now you're part of a group
Speaker 3: of like maybe ten people who are breaking news for
Speaker 3: the world and controlling the conversation around entertainment news for
Speaker 3: the world. I'm the only at this point. Now Van
Speaker 3: has gone, and then Raquel decided to leave as well too,
Speaker 3: it's just me. So not only am I the only
Speaker 3: black person on the news desk, I'm the only black
Speaker 3: woman on the news desk. So I'm up against number
Speaker 3: one Black entertainment and Black news, in my opinion, not
Speaker 3: being valued the way that it should have been for
Speaker 3: it to drive so much of their website and their content.
Speaker 3: I'm up against being new in the room and in
Speaker 3: the space and not feeling like I had that much power.
Speaker 3: For a very long time, I felt like that, so
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to approach, you know, when I
Speaker 3: wanted to push back on certain things and like whatever.
Speaker 3: For the show, it was cute like I felt, you know,
Speaker 3: on the show, I could say and do certain things
Speaker 3: because that's what they wanted for the show. But in
Speaker 3: real life and we're day to day working with each other,
Speaker 3: there were things that were being that were happening that
Speaker 3: I didn't feel comfortable with speaking up about to a
Speaker 3: certain extent, just bringing ideas to the table and just
Speaker 3: watching stuff happen and not even news related, but just
Speaker 3: like with the people that I'm working with and colleagues,
Speaker 3: and you know, these little microaggressions and things that I
Speaker 3: started to see and understand that I think then he
Speaker 3: did a really good job of making things funny and
Speaker 3: making things fun but shielding me from a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: And it was from day one, like even when I
Speaker 3: didn't know him, Like I remember I walked in and
Speaker 3: he was like, hey, I'm being what's your name? Like
Speaker 3: he took the time to come over. It wasn't super love.
Speaker 3: I love being so much like because he just always
Speaker 3: even before he really knew me, he always looked out
Speaker 3: for me, and I didn't understand how much of a
Speaker 3: kind of like a privilege to have a black man
Speaker 3: in a space like that that understood how important it
Speaker 3: was to do that was until he wasn't there anymore,
Speaker 3: and then I was like, oh shit, so like now
Speaker 3: I got so now I got a fight and it's
Speaker 3: just me and it's just whatever. So I went through
Speaker 3: a lot of different stuff, Like there were times there's
Speaker 3: so much stuff that didn't make it to air that
Speaker 3: like sometimes I wish it didn't make it to air
Speaker 3: because I think that it would have started a conversation
Speaker 3: internally and externally that on a like a major scale
Speaker 3: that was needed just about like black women in like
Speaker 3: major media spaces, black people in spaces where they are
Speaker 3: the only black content, black news, black celebrity. When the
Speaker 3: Kanye West was Kyrie Irving, stuff was happening. Mind you,
Speaker 3: this is my first time too being exposed to like
Speaker 3: like I grew up in a hood and like when
Speaker 3: I my school was Innmcity School, So I was the majority.
Speaker 2: In my schools.
Speaker 3: I went to HBCU, I was the majority. My work
Speaker 3: space is all of my life have always been the
Speaker 3: only places that I wasn't the majority. I was the minority.
Speaker 3: So this was my first time working in space where
Speaker 3: you know, I'm working with people that are like, you know,
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of different religions and like whatever. And
Speaker 3: when the Kyrie Irving stuff happened, I remember it was
Speaker 3: a culture shock for me because a lot of what
Speaker 3: was happening. And like even with Nick Cannon when he
Speaker 3: said those kindments that he said, I remember a lot
Speaker 3: of the things. I'm like, I grew up here in
Speaker 3: some of that in my household, and that's what I
Speaker 3: was taught. I didn't know that it hurt people. I
Speaker 3: didn't know that, you know, to a certain extent, certain
Speaker 3: things weren't okay, Like I had no idea.
Speaker 2: And it was the same thing with our stuff, Like
Speaker 2: I had to teach certain.
Speaker 3: People why you don't ask me about how long my
Speaker 3: hair took the break down every single time I get
Speaker 3: my braids done, Like I'm not a science project bro.
Speaker 3: Like there was so much that we had to like
Speaker 3: teach each other, and I was just like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: like this is real. But there was no protection. It
Speaker 3: was just like me and I didn't realize until I
Speaker 3: left again how much that fucked with me. Like on
Speaker 3: a day to day, so I encountered that. But and
Speaker 3: again I don't want to take away from Angelie's experience,
Speaker 3: but when I walked into the breakfast club that time
Speaker 3: that I was there, I was like, I wish that
Speaker 3: every day of my work life. When I was at
Speaker 3: TMZ felt like this, I could have been so much
Speaker 3: better of an employee. I mean, I did my thing,
Speaker 3: but it would have been happier, different, Like I felt
Speaker 3: happier I would I would have felt like even in
Speaker 3: times because you know, when you talking topics and culture
Speaker 3: like all this stuff, some of this stuff get very easy,
Speaker 3: like we're not gonna all agree whether we all look
Speaker 3: alike or not. But although I felt safe and comfortable
Speaker 3: to disagree, it took me time to get to that
Speaker 3: point at TMD, like it was a lot of times
Speaker 3: where like I didn't really understand myself as an asset
Speaker 3: in the room and I didn't know like they using
Speaker 3: the fuck out of me. I mean like when being
Speaker 3: got fired. I had never hosted any of the shows
Speaker 3: by myself. Mind you, TMZ is in La La is
Speaker 3: number one market for television. TMZ is you know they're
Speaker 3: huge at what they do, so to be on those
Speaker 3: platforms on television is a major thing. The day that
Speaker 3: being got fired. The next day they say, hey, do
Speaker 3: you want to host TMZ Live? And I was like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: And it didn't dawn on me until I'm hosting in
Speaker 3: the seat. Y'all niggas only got me here because y'all
Speaker 3: want pay six looking like racist people. It's because of
Speaker 3: the conversation that was surrounding in me. If I had known, Like,
Speaker 3: It's not like I was oblivious or green, but I
Speaker 3: think I was just so in the this is just work,
Speaker 3: this is just what I do, this is just how
Speaker 3: they use me. I'm just happy to be here. That
Speaker 3: I just like went with it until I hosted and
Speaker 3: my Twitter went crazy. People were like, who the hell
Speaker 3: is this black girl? Why would she coming host? After
Speaker 3: what they did to THEND then had to get on
Speaker 3: Twitter and be like, this is my sister. Leave alone.
Speaker 3: But and now I was like, oh shit, like I'm
Speaker 3: the pond right now. Like so, once I realized that,
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, bad, y'all want to play, let's play.
Speaker 3: Y'all need me, I need y'all. I'm an asset. I
Speaker 3: don't agree with this. I don't agree with that I'm
Speaker 3: gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and y'all need me,
Speaker 3: so we'll see where it lies. And now there were
Speaker 3: so many times I would call my manager, ya, I'm
Speaker 3: probablynn got fired to day, like what's next for us?
Speaker 3: Because I d sure told them off today on air that.
Speaker 1: Exchange you and Harvey had after the Kenosha shooting. The
Speaker 1: little boy Kyle Rittenhouse had gotten where he got off.
Speaker 1: He didn't get convicted. They exchanged you and him had
Speaker 1: that day. Is that kind of what led up to
Speaker 1: you resigning?
Speaker 3: No, And that was early in the game, Like that
Speaker 3: was like right after all of the protest stuff that happened,
Speaker 3: and kind of, you know, coming off all the George
Speaker 3: Floyd stuff, there have been way more heated. Like imagine
Speaker 3: being the only person that is willing to talk back
Speaker 3: when George Floyd and a out Ivrey got killed and
Speaker 3: having to teach them about we put up a Juneteenth
Speaker 3: post and we put by I keep saying, well, I'm
Speaker 3: so used to being there. I remember they had put
Speaker 3: up a they were prepping a Juneteenth Post to go
Speaker 3: live on the website because everybody was so black and
Speaker 3: all that during that time, right and they wanted to
Speaker 3: use the American flag as a part of the art
Speaker 3: for the Juneteenth Post and I had to get on
Speaker 3: the phone and say, Yo, what's trunk for the race war?
Speaker 3: Like the whole point of Juneteenth is the fact that
Speaker 3: we don't feel welcome here, Like why would you use
Speaker 3: the American flag, which is a part of the constitution
Speaker 3: that we feel like it has still enslaved us and
Speaker 3: we're celebrating the date that we found out that we
Speaker 3: ain't got shit to do with that, Like y'all not
Speaker 3: getting it, And they were like, oh, you're being too emotional.
Speaker 2: Like I had to.
Speaker 3: I had to Charles, and I called. When I called Charles,
Speaker 3: Charles didn't fully understand it, but he heard me out,
Speaker 3: and once I explained it, he was like, you're right,
Speaker 3: we're gonna change it. Send me the correct flag and
Speaker 3: correct colors, and we'll make sure that you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Having to do stuff like that on and
Speaker 3: off air. By the time of the Dyling Root stuff
Speaker 3: had become so normal to me, and I think God
Speaker 3: for that experience. It was tough in the beginning, Like
Speaker 3: I remember, I was like crying every day, Like oh,
Speaker 3: I was like it just the pressure of it, like
Speaker 3: they're literally making you speak for every black person in
Speaker 3: the world, and it's like you never feel like you
Speaker 3: can get it right. You know how I really shit
Speaker 3: can get if you say something wrong, but not even
Speaker 3: just saying or doing things wrong, but like you're not
Speaker 3: really come from a place where like my friends is
Speaker 3: really getting beat up by police. Before this shit was
Speaker 3: cute to talk about on Instagram, my brother my mom
Speaker 3: was going to you know, showing up the court cases
Speaker 3: where police wouldn't show up because my brother resisted the rest.
Speaker 3: But y'all fucked him up, so of course he resisted
Speaker 3: the rest. You know what I mean, Like this is
Speaker 3: real for me. It's not just a segment on a
Speaker 3: news show for me. So I took things a lot
Speaker 3: more persons than they did, and it would get on
Speaker 3: my nerves and they wouldn't understand it. So we had
Speaker 3: been through so much shit, Like the the pivotal points
Speaker 3: for me when I was like, yo, how much more
Speaker 3: mentally are you gonna put yourself through anywhere? Not even
Speaker 3: just here, was when we had the conversations about Kanye
Speaker 3: and the Kyrie irving, and we had had I tried
Speaker 3: to handle it in a way where like I understood
Speaker 3: where they were coming from. Right, Like, there were people
Speaker 3: that I was working with at TMZ whose grandparents were
Speaker 3: a part of like a lot of like the like
Speaker 3: the into Semitic comments and like the genocide, like this,
Speaker 3: the different things they had been through. It's real close
Speaker 3: for them, like literally their grandparents. Like I have a
Speaker 3: friend who was telling me about her grandmother and losing
Speaker 3: her and all that stuff and why Kanye hurt he
Speaker 3: or whatever, And I took that and I listened to it.
Speaker 3: But I also felt like on the other side of things,
Speaker 3: there was some things that were happening, and my point
Speaker 3: to them was, as a platform, we have a responsibility
Speaker 3: to be fair and not lean off of emotion, and
Speaker 3: the people in power here right now are not being
Speaker 3: It's all very personally emotionally driven, and we're humans, so
Speaker 3: I understand why it's happening, but like you know, as
Speaker 3: a person that's here, I just want to put that
Speaker 3: in the forefront before we have any of these conversations.
Speaker 3: That shit went off the window when the conversation started,
Speaker 3: right and I was just like, bro, I got to
Speaker 3: get to a place in my career where I can
Speaker 3: say I'm not okay with something and walk away from it.
Speaker 3: And as long as I sit up under this brain
Speaker 3: and just be the black girl TMZ, I'm never gonna
Speaker 3: be able to do that. Like I gotta build audience.
Speaker 3: I got It's gonna be tough. You want have to
Speaker 3: build it anyway, but I gotta do it because like
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here right now, like, are y'all fucking serious?
Speaker 3: Like y'all want to talk about the fact that Kyrie
Speaker 3: didn't apologize the way you wanted him to or use
Speaker 3: the words you want him to? You know, times all
Speaker 3: the wrong words terminology approach when it comes to me,
Speaker 3: and I have to just think of it as a
Speaker 3: cultural difference and go on and love y'all anyway. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to hear that shit like at all. Like
Speaker 3: those are conversations that I wish made it to air
Speaker 3: that got cut. Of course, in those instances though, I
Speaker 3: was just like, Okay, I can only do this, but
Speaker 3: for so long it's a great learning experience. But I
Speaker 3: got to get to a point where I built a
Speaker 3: platform and the name enough where know that if we
Speaker 3: don't have these conversations, we don't really have it on.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be able to call it out afterward,
Speaker 3: if not be in fear of what might happen to
Speaker 3: me if I do it.
Speaker 1: M child, listen, Oh I couldn't. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I worked a corporate job and one of my biggest
Speaker 1: things was being able to do something where I can
Speaker 1: be myself. That's the podcast world, right, But I've definitely
Speaker 1: been the only black girl. That's when my ask got
Speaker 1: laid off because I'm the youngest. No kids in black
Speaker 1: and get your ass up out of here. So I
Speaker 1: definitely understand I couldn't do it because I was. I
Speaker 1: was plotting on beating people up in the garage. You
Speaker 1: have to work plenty days.
Speaker 3: I was myself, so it just was like, no.
Speaker 1: I've never not been myself. That's the problem when you
Speaker 1: can't no code switching. So you be yourself. You show
Speaker 1: up and you make it into places you can make
Speaker 1: it where you want to be at being yourself for sure.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that though at first I was raised
Speaker 3: that way, but I didn't know that like I was
Speaker 3: raised that like, nah, you're getting a wroong. You like
Speaker 3: you don't ever sit in the room, don't say nothing.
Speaker 3: But the more that I started to work in these
Speaker 3: mainstream media spaces. It's just like you don't say that.
Speaker 3: And then I come from fashion, fashion could tour fashion.
Speaker 3: You don't say shit about nothing. So I was trained
Speaker 3: to like get on and get along, like you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like eventually by the world, like the
Speaker 3: world will bring, specially black women. The world won't teach
Speaker 3: trying to remind you every day of while you gotta
Speaker 3: like shut up.
Speaker 2: Like and assimilate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I found that interview you just did recently
Speaker 1: with Vivoca Fox interesting speaking about like going along to
Speaker 1: get along, cause you touched on the Taraji p Henson
Speaker 1: thing with Vivica Fox. You know, everybody saw Vivica fox
Speaker 1: reaction to what Taraji p Henson was explaining about the
Speaker 1: industry and not being paid with your worth blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and Vivica Fox said she didn't experience or didn't doesn't
Speaker 1: have that same experience. And then in the interview with you,
Speaker 1: she was talking about like how this is a business
Speaker 1: of relationships. I agree, relationships is worth more than money.
Speaker 1: So once you start burning bridges, you know, TMZ could
Speaker 1: be a bridge that you didn't give a fuck about. Burning. Okay,
Speaker 1: but depending on what you're trying to do in the industry,
Speaker 1: you have to maintain relationships, right, So do you think
Speaker 1: that she I don't. You was in her house doing
Speaker 1: an interview, so I don't know what type of relationship
Speaker 1: do you think?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Do you think she is one of the like there's
Speaker 1: no way you didn't understand as Vivica Fox, are you, yes?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think that. I think
Speaker 3: that because me and her we had a conversation prior
Speaker 3: to that. Because and I just want to say, when
Speaker 3: it comes to TMZ, I ain't done nothing that Like,
Speaker 3: I have not done or said anything that I have
Speaker 3: not done or said to them, and while I was
Speaker 3: with them, So I don't believe that a bridge is burned.
Speaker 3: They do get a little emotionally upset when you leave
Speaker 3: because they want you to stay there. But you know
Speaker 3: that'll be fine. But when it comes to Vivica Fox,
Speaker 3: like me and her had a really great like even
Speaker 3: though that was my first time meeting her that like, personally,
Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the home of a
Speaker 3: big sister. We had a really good big sens the
Speaker 3: little sister conversation about, you know, her life, her career,
Speaker 3: dealing with the controversy of like just everything. I was
Speaker 3: telling her how new it was for me to be
Speaker 3: on a platform like the Breakfast Club and like the
Speaker 3: taxis strict to you the reviews. You know, it's different
Speaker 3: when you're behind a brain like a TMZ and she
Speaker 3: kind of you know, we talked about that, and then
Speaker 3: I asked her, you know, do you want to talk
Speaker 3: about the Taraji stuff? And because I didn't want to
Speaker 3: make her uncomfortable because of the respect that I for
Speaker 3: her and the conversation that we had around it prior
Speaker 3: to I think that I got a chance to understand
Speaker 3: her a little bit differently than the people that just
Speaker 3: watch these clips. And the way I felt walking away
Speaker 3: from it is not that she's just happy to be somewhere,
Speaker 3: happy to be working. But number one, she come from
Speaker 3: a different time. Like when I looked at the career
Speaker 3: that she had during the time that Vivica Fox was
Speaker 3: the girl, there was just her and maybe like Halle Berry,
Speaker 3: like there weren't like there were nears. I don't think
Speaker 3: I can't so there, but isn't I believe Bifica Fox
Speaker 3: a little bit older than me alone, though correct the aid.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think.
Speaker 3: Okay. So for me, when I saw that, I remember
Speaker 3: asking her, like, do you feel like your experience was
Speaker 3: something that was a little bit different because the time
Speaker 3: that you came along is kind of like you were
Speaker 3: to go to for so much stuff, so you had
Speaker 3: a little bit more different leverage. And then also too,
Speaker 3: on top of that, I think that we have a
Speaker 3: little bit, a lot of bit more of a privilege
Speaker 3: to be able to like she might have thought she
Speaker 3: was leveraging her situation and maybe it worked out for
Speaker 3: her for what she needed. But I think now we
Speaker 3: get a chance to really see what leverage it looks
Speaker 3: like for real, for real, and we're trying to run
Speaker 3: it up differently. And Taraji is a part of a
Speaker 3: different world of like now you're gonna give me what
Speaker 3: you're supposed to give me. And I think it's the
Speaker 3: same thing when you talk to your grandmother about your
Speaker 3: career decisions versus your mom or versus your sister. And
Speaker 3: because for me, I would never describe and I don't
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this at age Vivaica, but the older
Speaker 3: black women in my family, I would never describe those
Speaker 3: women as like they sit down, they shut up, and
Speaker 3: they do whatever it needs to be done because they're
Speaker 3: strong women, they've been through things. They put things on
Speaker 3: her back that done the work. But their way of
Speaker 3: we talked back was different. And that's how I look
Speaker 3: at her. So like when she said, I didn't go
Speaker 3: and like, you know, maybe do it the way that
Speaker 3: Taraji did by talking about things or whatever. I caught
Speaker 3: my team, a team heard the certain things we whatever. Right.
Speaker 3: I think that it's just it's a very sincetive topic, right,
Speaker 3: because you have people who are emotionally tied to what
Speaker 3: Taragi is doing. We watch her forever, we love her forever,
Speaker 3: and a lot of us go through the same stuff.
Speaker 3: But I think that it's one of those conversations where
Speaker 3: you have to realize that, like everybody has a different
Speaker 3: place in the fight, Vivica Fox doesn't have to be
Speaker 3: the voice of Martin Luther King of it, right. She
Speaker 3: could be the person that's sitting at home that you
Speaker 3: call for the bill money when Martin Luther King, you know,
Speaker 3: it's writing that letter from Birmingham jail. And I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to say that she's Martin Luther King or anything
Speaker 3: like that for the people listening. But all I'm saying
Speaker 3: is that when I talked to her, from what I
Speaker 3: took from it is just because she didn't do it
Speaker 3: the same way or she doesn't say that's my experience,
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that she didn't have inexperience of some
Speaker 3: sort that she had to out figure out and that
Speaker 3: change things for the Taragi to come. I don't think
Speaker 3: that she did a good job of saying that, and
Speaker 3: I want to be very honest and saying that. Her
Speaker 3: biggest thing with me in that conversation about that topic
Speaker 3: was she wanted to protect Taraji. She didn't want to
Speaker 3: talk too much about it because she felt like seeing
Speaker 3: Taraji break down the way she did, and then everything
Speaker 3: that came after that team clip and how the world
Speaker 3: pinned them to against each other, she felt like she
Speaker 3: was like it piled onto whatever I just obviously going through,
Speaker 3: And she said to me, She's been through enough, I
Speaker 3: don't want to pile on. Our experiences are different. So
Speaker 3: it was kind of disheartening for people to not get
Speaker 3: that through the interview. But I also feel like, to
Speaker 3: people's defense, I don't think she really gave it all
Speaker 3: of the color. I just gave y'all, and I wish
Speaker 3: she would have, but that was her choice not to.
Speaker 3: But I don't look at her that way, like I
Speaker 3: don't nothing about baby vis Biblica a fox, and nothing
Speaker 3: about her. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Have y'all ever remember her?
Speaker 3: She is queen. We talked back, y'all need to have
Speaker 3: her on here. She's like you not getting around her
Speaker 3: like I promise you, like she's very strongly not just
Speaker 3: happy to be anywhere you're happy to have her like that,
Speaker 3: and everything about her exudes that, you know, the way
Speaker 3: we were brought up, where it's like baby I am woman,
Speaker 3: Like who got that? You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I think so No, to answer your question, I
Speaker 3: don't think that about her. I think that people are
Speaker 3: picking it up that way. I also think people like
Speaker 3: to just fuck with her as well too, because she
Speaker 3: gives y'all, y'all can't sit with me, so people love
Speaker 3: to remind her like now we're sitting next to you.
Speaker 2: Right, And then she was It looked like she was
Speaker 2: going through airport security or something when they were asking
Speaker 2: these questions. It wasn't like she had a lot of
Speaker 2: time to explain herself. I felt like it wasn't you
Speaker 2: know she was she didn't.
Speaker 3: I mean, those clips are quick, like you get a
Speaker 3: TMZ clip, you getting a good two minutes to two
Speaker 3: minutes to fifty depending on what you're saying. She signed
Speaker 3: autographs coming out of the building. They clipped quick clips.
Speaker 3: But I don't think that the world really gets to
Speaker 3: feel what she's trying to say because she's not going
Speaker 3: to depth about it, which for me is like that's
Speaker 3: just gonna make it worse. I don't know. I hope
Speaker 3: that my interview ain't make it even worse.
Speaker 1: Though, No, I don't think it didn't. It didn't the
Speaker 1: original TMZ at the airport, I really didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: really feel any type of way about what she said then,
Speaker 1: But once I saw the interview with you, it gave
Speaker 1: a little bit and more definition. But like you said,
Speaker 1: not enough like your explanation of the behind the scenes conversation,
Speaker 1: Like I definitely don't. I'm not calling her the op
Speaker 1: at all. I don't see that Vivoca Fox that type
Speaker 1: of woman. I definitely think she is for the people.
Speaker 1: But she was definitely trying to keep it cute.
Speaker 3: She was. I think her keeping cute her keeping cute
Speaker 3: is like I think it could be a little detrimental
Speaker 3: in my personal opinion, it could be a little detrimental
Speaker 3: to her because for her to be such a legend
Speaker 3: and an icon and to have when I say, like
Speaker 3: I was only there for but so much time, but
Speaker 3: I just felt like wow, like you know, she's a
Speaker 3: big sister in TV you need for real, because she
Speaker 3: would have been in ith On like a real high
Speaker 3: level best of the best, count her coin, get her money,
Speaker 3: and she's living peacefully right now. I think it does
Speaker 3: a disservice to you know, like just our legacy as
Speaker 3: Brown girls on our grind, And that's what I want
Speaker 3: those conversations to be. That's why I'm so excited to
Speaker 3: be able to sit down with her, because I don't
Speaker 3: think if there's like a place right now that gives
Speaker 3: us like that conversation of like naw, that's your big
Speaker 3: sister for real, Like if gonna be honest, it might
Speaker 3: hurt you a little bit. And when I was at
Speaker 3: Breakfast Club, for some reason, I felt like I kept
Speaker 3: getting phone into those type of conversations and I was
Speaker 3: learning so much about myself in them, Like when we
Speaker 3: did the Ebony k when we did that Carrie Champion,
Speaker 3: when we did you know, like so many other conversations,
Speaker 3: I was like, I like this space.
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Need to hear this like on a like for real,
Speaker 3: for real. People need these like choke hold conversations for real.
Speaker 2: So I have a question, right, Vivica was at one
Speaker 2: point at the height of her career, honestly, she was
Speaker 2: dating fifty cents and people said that like that affected
Speaker 2: her brand in a negative way. And then we know
Speaker 2: that Karsha was connected to a Diddy and she's go
Speaker 2: kind of been quiet. Do you feel like the man
Speaker 2: that you're connected to can diminish your brand if she
Speaker 2: goes south? One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Because as successful as Vivica Fox was
Speaker 3: and as iconic and legendary as she is now, y'all,
Speaker 3: remember when Cuban Lank fifty cents girlfriend came out and
Speaker 3: tried to play play with her, little bit in the
Speaker 3: world had to remind the world like, no, this is
Speaker 3: vivaka foxtp Plane. She had a career for real, She's
Speaker 3: not just somebody's girlfriend. That is a perfect example of yes,
Speaker 3: that can happen because how would you ever even allow
Speaker 3: vivaka Fox to be put in that conversation of oh,
Speaker 3: you was just his past girlfriend. I'm here now. But
Speaker 3: when you're a woman and you're attractive and you're doing
Speaker 3: all these things, I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 3: like when you attached to a man, it overshadows so much,
Speaker 3: and it can lift you up and put you in
Speaker 3: certain conversations and you know, Karsha Diddy at the met
Speaker 3: Gala and all that fine stuff, but at the same
Speaker 3: time disattaching the wrong way. Every time she speaks about fifty,
Speaker 3: they're like, oh my god, here she goes again. She's miserable,
Speaker 3: she wants him back, and it's like, no, she's.
Speaker 2: Doing the same thing fifty dudes.
Speaker 3: She knows that putting her show in the conversation with
Speaker 3: his show, it's marketing. But she gets the bitter ex
Speaker 3: girlfriend fifty gets. Marketing genis like one hundred percent, and
Speaker 3: it makes it tough when you're trying to date because
Speaker 3: people be like, I get told right now so much,
Speaker 3: oh you need to have a celebrity relationship, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I mean, I like real niggas, that's number one, and
Speaker 3: they'd be weird the celebrity people be weird, they'll be
Speaker 3: like the real realm. But then also too, it's like,
Speaker 3: even if I did like a celebrity enough to do it,
Speaker 3: or you know, just whatever, I'm always nervous about how
Speaker 3: that will affect me. I don't want to just be
Speaker 3: someone's girlfriend. I hate that. And she talked about that too.
Speaker 3: She didn't go into detail on the interview, but Vivoka
Speaker 3: Fox was talking about how she had to literally take
Speaker 3: a step away from Hollywood at the height of her
Speaker 3: career and rebrand herself again and remind people I'm a
Speaker 3: serious actress. She had to go to theater. She had
Speaker 3: to go back to her roots of us, the black
Speaker 3: people who had been supporting her forever, and go back
Speaker 3: to theater and sell out shows and get agents and
Speaker 3: different people to come to those shows, because all people
Speaker 3: wanted to talk to her about what's her love life,
Speaker 3: who she was fucking, who she was dealing with, and
Speaker 3: because she had played the cute, sexy, powerful girlfriend and
Speaker 3: you know, all that for so long that that's where
Speaker 3: she lived and she didn't like it, and she knew
Speaker 3: she could do way more, but she had to fight
Speaker 3: all over again to remain name men don't go through No,
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan ain't had to go back to theater.
Speaker 1: Since why do y'all think that is?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Why do y'all think that happened to Vivica Fox in
Speaker 1: that way? Because I mean we're talking about fifty cent.
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about like some ranky, dank ass dude.
Speaker 1: So why do y'all think that even happened to her?
Speaker 1: Like why did her career like seemingly dwindled some after
Speaker 1: her relationship with the with fifty Cent? I don't understand.
Speaker 2: It was that moment when she was on stage when
Speaker 2: it was an award show and fifty cent was performing
Speaker 2: and Vivica was up there with them little short song
Speaker 2: as a pretty much a background dancer for fifty cent.
Speaker 2: I think that was when all the ship changed for her. Honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's ben a lot of stuff about that relationship
Speaker 3: that I didn't really I guess because I was like
Speaker 3: yo too, But like it was something with like she
Speaker 3: like when they when she wanted like to talk to him,
Speaker 3: like I guess, so she was shooting her shots, she
Speaker 3: like showing about his house or something like that too.
Speaker 3: Like there was like a couple of different things.
Speaker 1: So she has ten years older than him. Also, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was maybe the approach. But in my opinion,
Speaker 3: I feel like the world loves to put black women
Speaker 3: in this space of like reminding us you, like, don't
Speaker 3: forget Okay, it's so cute.
Speaker 2: You're doing good, but not too much.
Speaker 3: Not too much, Okay, remember you need us, We don't
Speaker 3: need you. And with black men, even though black men
Speaker 3: go through what they go through, I have this argument
Speaker 3: all the time with black men about black men have
Speaker 3: a certain It's like, even though the world precedes them
Speaker 3: a certain way, and you know, they can be looked
Speaker 3: at as aggressive, they them or whatever whatever, if you
Speaker 3: are black men and with power and money and influence
Speaker 3: and you look good, lend to you even Yeah, even
Speaker 3: though they trying to like control you with puppet springs,
Speaker 3: puppet strings, they lend to you a little bit different
Speaker 3: than they do a black woman. As a black woman,
Speaker 3: if you look good and you're powerful, they you can't
Speaker 3: do one of the two. You can't actually be talented
Speaker 3: men be fire and smart, look good, it's smart, and
Speaker 3: be dating somebody popping. It's like, oh no, that's just
Speaker 3: his girlfriend, right, Like that's just all it is.
Speaker 1: I've seen some white people on ex call Megan Marco lazy.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, like what constituted her being lazy because
Speaker 1: she's am Loto mixed black woman, Like, what does she
Speaker 1: do to be lazy? To y'all? She's the fucking she's
Speaker 1: royalty at this point.
Speaker 2: She's from where she's from.
Speaker 3: That's why it's like she doesn't deserve. She just lays
Speaker 3: on her back and be with that man and that's
Speaker 3: her career.
Speaker 2: And that's so what.
Speaker 3: Like what she supposed to be because the Royal Housewives
Speaker 3: of New York, no white woman.
Speaker 2: Is living green.
Speaker 1: And all a fraud. Okay, let's be clear anyway, So
Speaker 1: in a world where like my truth is I talk
Speaker 1: about this all the time, my truth. This is my truth,
Speaker 1: like everybody's truth is the truth? Like, how important is
Speaker 1: it to you as a journalist, because even with just
Speaker 1: a podcast, like we are essentially journalists, how important is
Speaker 1: it to you to make sure that you're being that
Speaker 1: you're reporting the truth.
Speaker 3: It's always it's like it's that or nothing for me
Speaker 3: even now, So like with Brown Girl Grinding, we do
Speaker 3: a lot of like content that like causes engagement in conversations,
Speaker 3: and our biggest exclusives like that we're going to like
Speaker 3: really hone in and focus in on this year are
Speaker 3: the interviews because I just feel like it gives a
Speaker 3: different voice to news than just me posting a tweet
Speaker 3: or whatever. But if I'm following a story the way
Speaker 3: that I've been brought up in this through my boot
Speaker 3: camp at TMZ, oh it's factual, I'm not even touching it.
Speaker 3: Like there are certain things that people will reach out
Speaker 3: to me and be like, oh, why I talk about this,
Speaker 3: Why you're not covering unless I'm about to do something
Speaker 3: opinion based, And I think some stuff doesn't deserve an opinion.
Speaker 3: Some stuff deserves facts, factual review. I'm not touching it
Speaker 3: because as a journalist, like who's really doing this? That's
Speaker 3: all I have is the fact that you'll be able
Speaker 3: to back check what I said and it's true. But
Speaker 3: also just like if you look at a TMZ in
Speaker 3: the business model there they have built their brand and
Speaker 3: you can't get around them because it's truthful, it's vetted,
Speaker 3: and they're the first to tell you about it. So
Speaker 3: now you go to them knowing you trust them. All
Speaker 3: I have as a journalist like right now, I'm literally
Speaker 3: working for myself, Like I am every single day getting
Speaker 3: up and doing something for myself that is causing income, conversation,
Speaker 3: brand building, whatever. One hundred percent. I don't work for
Speaker 3: anyone but myself. Even when I work with other brands.
Speaker 3: It's a new space for me.
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I.
Speaker 3: Want to be a person that people look at and
Speaker 3: they trust and they're like, oh, she's talking about it, it
Speaker 3: must gets something to pay attention to. If she's putting
Speaker 3: facts out for the first time, we can trust what
Speaker 3: she's saying. The minute that you do that and it's
Speaker 3: not truthful, or you plan around with your platform from
Speaker 3: the world that I'm trying to build in, people can't,
Speaker 3: like we don't even know where to go now, Like
Speaker 3: we don't know if it's vetted, we don't know if
Speaker 3: it's real, and there's so much bullshit it fake stuff
Speaker 3: on it too. And because I'm solely I'm just social
Speaker 3: media based, Like I don't have a website, I don't
Speaker 3: have a line on TV show yet, So all I
Speaker 3: have is to be like that one person in the
Speaker 3: world of all this noise that can bring you some
Speaker 3: truth and some insight and some in depth conversations. That's
Speaker 3: why I'm leaning with it. So it's one hundred percent
Speaker 3: like it's truthful, factual, fact checking or nothing.
Speaker 1: So all your feelings are out when you when you
Speaker 1: reporting on the news, it's nothing personal. Ever, No, that's not.
Speaker 3: Always true, because I'm human, So you would you want
Speaker 3: it to be that way when you're reporting certain things.
Speaker 3: But because you're human, you're you're human. Bias is always
Speaker 3: going to come in to a certain extent. I do
Speaker 3: try and be as neutral as I can, and I'm
Speaker 3: learning to be better at that because I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times when I do leave with emotion, depending
Speaker 3: on what it is, it's because I feel like a
Speaker 3: lot of times I'm speaking for people that like might
Speaker 3: not ever get to seek that I'm in, Like you
Speaker 3: might not get to talk to Ebony k or you
Speaker 3: might not get to talk to a bit of a fox,
Speaker 3: or you might not you know, get to if there's
Speaker 3: like I I forget which school shooting it was. I'm
Speaker 3: so sad that there are so many of them, but
Speaker 3: probably like two months ago there was a school shooting
Speaker 3: that happened and I was going back and for foot
Speaker 3: LA enforcement sources, just you know, reporting things as they
Speaker 3: were coming out. And I remember one of the public
Speaker 3: information officers called me and was like, what platform are
Speaker 3: you with and I was like my own brown girl
Speaker 3: grinding and he was like, you should be working somewhere,
Speaker 3: like you're so like on it. Like every single time
Speaker 3: they released something, when I saw it somewhere else, if
Speaker 3: I didn't report it first, I called and say, hey,
Speaker 3: I just want to confirm this before I go with it,
Speaker 3: you know, and he was like, we really appreciate that
Speaker 3: because these families are impacted by the news and the
Speaker 3: media and people don't understand that. And that was like
Speaker 3: such a like Okay, I got this, you know, like
Speaker 3: I could do this for me on my own because
Speaker 3: I removed myself from it and I was factual. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't know what it's like
Speaker 3: to lose a kid to a school shooting, but and
Speaker 3: being sensitive to that, I do want to put a
Speaker 3: little emotion in it when I'm reported on it, But
Speaker 3: you just got to know when the right time is.
Speaker 3: So like the Chris Brown reacting or me reacting to
Speaker 3: Chris Brown situation that you brought up earlier, that's all
Speaker 3: me that's all opinion. That's my emotion, that's how I feel.
Speaker 3: But if I'm talking about something that is like an actual,
Speaker 3: you know, something that like the facts are there, I
Speaker 3: can't get around it, and I'll make it. I might
Speaker 3: still get my opinion, but you'll know when the switch happens.
Speaker 1: Like the only don't she said, the only tailor we
Speaker 1: recognizes tailor port. Bitch, I said, what.
Speaker 2: What' telling?
Speaker 3: Y'all?
Speaker 1: Right, that's the only tailor.
Speaker 2: Act Like we've been on this tailor and tailor report
Speaker 2: and that's it. Like I was trying to stop.
Speaker 1: Tail report is straight. They're trash.
Speaker 3: But you know it though you have little Sippy said,
Speaker 3: everybody has drinks.
Speaker 2: Church. I won't mess with that.
Speaker 1: That's what y'all be getting at church during commune. That
Speaker 1: damn teleport.
Speaker 2: I wish to be a buzz.
Speaker 3: But even that, though there was a lot of factual
Speaker 3: stuff in the full video, like I took actual facts
Speaker 3: and reports or whatever, but then you got you got,
Speaker 3: you know, I got a little.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do you consider yourself a millennial?
Speaker 1: Are you a millennial?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't know. I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when people will be sitting all that stuff. I
Speaker 3: don't know how the age brackens.
Speaker 2: Were you born before ninety seven?
Speaker 3: Yes, I was born in ninety one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh okay, so yeah, yeah, she's definitely who. So
Speaker 1: what do you believe are some of the most pressing
Speaker 1: issues facing millennials today and how do you approach covering
Speaker 1: these issues in your reporting?
Speaker 3: I think race, gender wars politics, but not just like
Speaker 3: making people go out and vote. I think making people
Speaker 3: actually understand what the fuck is going on, like on
Speaker 3: a yeah, like what's going on and doing it in
Speaker 3: a bite sized way as a person that like I
Speaker 3: don't have a political background, but like I have to
Speaker 3: go and vote, I have to know certain things just
Speaker 3: to be a person civil person in the world. So
Speaker 3: I think that that's like an issue too, that there's
Speaker 3: like a big fall off between all these smart people
Speaker 3: who know everything and can like get on CNN and
Speaker 3: be analysts and like the everyday person who really needs
Speaker 3: to go and vote for their prosecutor locally, like those things.
Speaker 3: I think the world of like business and business like
Speaker 3: creation and branding is also like an issue with us.
Speaker 3: I don't really have too many friends who work regular jobs.
Speaker 3: All my friends are creatives or like own their own businesses.
Speaker 3: Even my friends who do work regular jobs, their regular
Speaker 3: jobs are requiring them to know what's going on in
Speaker 3: the pulse of creativity, especially if they're black. If you're
Speaker 3: black and you working for these big corporations, baby, they
Speaker 3: want you to sing rap ac dance, do ex social
Speaker 3: media numbers all of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, social media.
Speaker 3: That so because you come in and you are the
Speaker 3: culture in these rooms. So I think that that's also
Speaker 3: a big thing as well too, is like us just
Speaker 3: understanding navigating like financially like as a business owner where
Speaker 3: that can put you being able to like partner with
Speaker 3: these organizations. I guess that's called capitalism, like us understanding
Speaker 3: how we can use that to better ourselves, because I
Speaker 3: think our generation of people are so like, fuck the man,
Speaker 3: we don't need that job, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I build my own table, and yeah, I want all
Speaker 3: of us to be building our own tables. But the
Speaker 3: table gotta get bigger and it got to scale and
Speaker 3: order for us to really do this shit for real,
Speaker 3: for real, and we need a lot of us in
Speaker 3: rooms that are like at the head of the LB
Speaker 3: and LB MHS, you know. So I think that that's
Speaker 3: also something big and podcast mics w meen. I think
Speaker 3: that that's a big issue.
Speaker 1: Fation like gas, like.
Speaker 3: Toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: This is my last question. This is in reference to
Speaker 1: like social media, and because I read an article that
Speaker 1: said most millennials then you know, they get forty five
Speaker 1: percent of their news from social media. So we have
Speaker 1: platforms like X for example, which you know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of independent journalists on X rather than should be
Speaker 1: true or not, it's that for you to have discernment
Speaker 1: and decipher. So how do you see the role of
Speaker 1: social media shaping modern journalism practices.
Speaker 3: I've talked about this at a panel ardy during Grammy Weekend.
Speaker 3: I think that it's gonna make it where, you know
Speaker 3: how like the I always think with myself as like
Speaker 3: a rap artist, we too have no mix. But just
Speaker 3: like in terms of career, the way that you have
Speaker 3: to position yourself when you are talented, the way that
Speaker 3: social media is already changing news media and how people
Speaker 3: receive it is the same way when people started stepping
Speaker 3: away from labels and saying I want to be independent,
Speaker 3: I just want to distribution deal. It's literally going to
Speaker 3: be that eventually. But the issue is that you have
Speaker 3: all these people who are on social and they can
Speaker 3: sweep whatever they want, do whatever they want, and present
Speaker 3: things as facts and it not be facts right, or
Speaker 3: it be an augmented fact like through AI or through
Speaker 3: personal opinion, emotion whatever. And a lot of times these
Speaker 3: people are not bettert journalists that they don't have the
Speaker 3: background people understand how to check a source, how to
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a lot that goes into this
Speaker 3: nuance of reporting news and being a news personality and
Speaker 3: just a person that drives conversation around culture in general.
Speaker 3: So I think what we're going to see is is
Speaker 3: that eventually the CNNs and all that stuff, it's happening already,
Speaker 3: they're going to be trying to keep up with the
Speaker 3: people that become the faces and the names on the
Speaker 3: tiktoks and the twitters and the Instagrams and the you know,
Speaker 3: like in that space. Don Lemon, who got fired from
Speaker 3: CEE and the announced it he's doing the show, but he's.
Speaker 1: Doing it on X Tucker Cross.
Speaker 3: Tucker Cross and so many people have just like they
Speaker 3: xed out the middleman and they get the distribution through
Speaker 3: platforms and sponsors and advertising to make it bigger and
Speaker 3: to scale larger. So I think that is going to
Speaker 3: become the new normal, and the people that are early
Speaker 3: on it are going to become the breakout voices. That
Speaker 3: was a big part of me leaving my job, just
Speaker 3: seeing that that was a thing and knowing that I
Speaker 3: could do it. It's not easy. It is very tough
Speaker 3: because it takes a lot of consistency. It takes a
Speaker 3: lot of finance as well, so you've got to have
Speaker 3: a good partner, the backing. Still, I'm looking for all that,
Speaker 3: and y'all out there and y'll like, y'all fuck with her.
Speaker 3: I want to, you know, throw some dollars in my
Speaker 3: way to help this scale up. I'm gonna grinding scale up.
Speaker 3: But I think that eventually, like it's going to be
Speaker 3: a rise of like creators and content creators who are
Speaker 3: telling news and like putting stuff into the world. And
Speaker 3: it won'ted to be traditional, like they won't just sit
Speaker 3: and report it. It's going to be so many different ways,
Speaker 3: and those platforms will be to go to over like
Speaker 3: a TMZ or a CNN or whatever, and the best
Speaker 3: platforms will see that it's like to change and pivot.
Speaker 3: Like I even noticed at TMZ since I left, things
Speaker 3: that they're doing differently, Like even though what they're going,
Speaker 3: like I knew leaving what I needed to do in
Speaker 3: order to be still keeping myself right next to them,
Speaker 3: Like I'm not as big of a platform, but they
Speaker 3: don't have my voice. They don't have There's a lot
Speaker 3: that I knew I left with, so I use what
Speaker 3: I knew that they weren't doing to structure what I
Speaker 3: wanted to do so I could still kind of, you know,
Speaker 3: be right there at it. But I'm like, oh, they
Speaker 3: waking up a little bit, Like they hit in social
Speaker 3: media as soon as the stories are publishing and like
Speaker 3: all that stuff. They weren't social media first, they were
Speaker 3: website first. But the website is still there. So a
Speaker 3: lot of platforms are going to come around. But that's
Speaker 3: what it's going to be. Like your lead news person
Speaker 3: is going to be such and such an X and
Speaker 3: you know, like what academics is doing, but like a
Speaker 3: more vetted version of it that you can really trust
Speaker 3: and not just him screaming at his phone.
Speaker 1: At like tide out in his fucking basement somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got one more question for you, Lauren, What advice
Speaker 2: would you give I don't want a young person trying
Speaker 2: to get into journalism and they're just starting out and
Speaker 2: they're afraid and they don't know what to do. What
Speaker 2: advice would you give them?
Speaker 3: I always tell people to start where you are, So
Speaker 3: don't wait until you got the job, you moved out
Speaker 3: of the state to the state that you want to
Speaker 3: move to or whatever. Start where you are. Interview your friends,
Speaker 3: Interview to people that are doing something around you. Get
Speaker 3: good at, like knowing how to produce. If you're starting
Speaker 3: where you are and you're putting out content, you're developing
Speaker 3: ideas and angles and all that, you're learning how to produce,
Speaker 3: and that there's no way you can live and breathe
Speaker 3: in this space and not be a producer. Also, that's
Speaker 3: number one. Number two is to like really just understand
Speaker 3: what is the story that you want to tell That
Speaker 3: won't come instantly. I'm just now realizing with this last
Speaker 3: year where I think my voice is strongest and lending
Speaker 3: myself to that and building a brand around it, it
Speaker 3: will take time. So don't be afraid to try things
Speaker 3: and be afraid to get on different platforms if it's
Speaker 3: not the job you want. Like people will be like
Speaker 3: should I start in local news? It's so boring, it's
Speaker 3: not the shade room. Hell yeah, it's a job. It's
Speaker 3: gonna put you on camera. It's gonna teach you things.
Speaker 3: There's so many different tools that you need, like you
Speaker 3: need to there's so many different things you just need
Speaker 3: to know how to do on and off camera that
Speaker 3: you don't learn it until you do as much experience. Yes,
Speaker 3: like when I'm a personality and I'm navigating new spaces,
Speaker 3: like breakfast club was new new for me, like I
Speaker 3: had never been on a platform for that long of
Speaker 3: a time where like I'm a full blown personality, and
Speaker 3: the first day I was there, I remember thinking like, okay,
Speaker 3: today was cool. But as a producer, what were the
Speaker 3: things that I didn't do well that would have made
Speaker 3: the producer's job easier when it comes to making the
Speaker 3: show good? Like what did I realized? I realized, like, Yo,
Speaker 3: they're really good as hell what they do in real life.
Speaker 3: I don't think people give it to Charlomagne Amy.
Speaker 1: Yes, they're good it well.
Speaker 3: Bro like they just be like like off the top,
Speaker 3: like so like you know, I was like, okay, comebacks,
Speaker 3: I thought my comebacks were cool for the TMZ room.
Speaker 3: But that's that's a bunch of people who are like
Speaker 3: you know, it's different when you with the culture so
Speaker 3: like you know, just but having that that producer had
Speaker 3: and having had it for so long at TMZ and
Speaker 3: understanding what makes people go. I started looking at myself like, Okay,
Speaker 3: what can I really lean into here to make this shit?
Speaker 3: I gotta run it up while on here because I
Speaker 3: might not be here forever. I gotta run right. So
Speaker 3: it's important that to get all that, So don't turn
Speaker 3: out anything. Learn as much as you can. Start where
Speaker 3: you are. Put the stuff out. If you're telling me
Speaker 3: that you are a TV personality and I can't find
Speaker 3: you on social doing anything TV personality wise in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, you're not a TV personality If you're a
Speaker 3: producer and you can't send me a real or there's
Speaker 3: nothing out there that I can see, you're not a producer.
Speaker 3: But the minute that you start putting stuff out there,
Speaker 3: you are, regardless of people believe it or not. So
Speaker 3: just get started.
Speaker 2: Start start where you are. Well, thank you Lauren for
Speaker 2: joining us. Man. This was such an excellent interview. You're
Speaker 2: such a great gift we definitely want to have you back.
Speaker 3: Yes, Now, I don't call me whenever y'all need me.
Speaker 3: I'm talking back all the time.
Speaker 1: Just call me plug your period.
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Speaker 3: you can get news, exclusives, talk back segments, all of
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Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like it. Follow Thank you all.
Speaker 3: For landing the platform to me. I appreciate you for
Speaker 3: having me.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Thos were coming off.
Speaker 1: Millennials are creating contemporary Black history in real time, which
Speaker 1: involves actively engaging in actions, movements, initiatives that contribute to
Speaker 1: the advancement, recognition, and celebration of black culture. So building
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Speaker 1: Black history isn't static, It's happening right now.
Speaker 2: Our guest today, Lauren Lerossa, she definitely touched on that
Speaker 2: how black millennials are becoming entrepreneurs and launching businesses and
Speaker 2: creating innovation solutions. She definitely was talking about how our parents,
Speaker 2: you know, our parents would work for twenty years at
Speaker 2: one job and stay with that job. And now millennials
Speaker 2: we are challenging traditional business models. And she also talked
Speaker 2: about collaborations with bigger brands and how to scale your business.
Speaker 2: So that was definitely dope. Some Black millennials that I
Speaker 2: can think of that are definitely pushing the culture forward
Speaker 2: right now. Pinky Coal, she has Slod Vegan. That's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 2: a vegan plant blazed Burger restaurant, you know. And she's
Speaker 2: it's started in Atlanta and now it's a change. She's
Speaker 2: moving all over the country and she was like Time
Speaker 2: nominated for Times Top one hundred people. Then you have
Speaker 2: Everett Taylor. He's the CEO of Kickstarter, which is a
Speaker 2: crowdfunding app that has collected millions and millions of dollars
Speaker 2: for entrepreneurs who are trying to get their creative ideas
Speaker 2: off the ground. So that's huge.
Speaker 1: Okay. Chela mean a god with the Black Effect Podcast
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Speaker 2: Like I said, all right, so before we go, let's
Speaker 2: discuss how me and you and we talk back, how
Speaker 2: we can continue to support black creators and amplify our voices.
Speaker 1: Were gonna keep talking, We're gonna keep talking back.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: I think we got to keep bringing on good guests
Speaker 2: from all different walks of life. You know, different entrepreneurs,
Speaker 2: women who are like we just did the segment with
Speaker 2: women who are happy married, different people in STEM. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know about STEM, so you know things like that.
Speaker 2: I think that's an adult way that we can definitely
Speaker 2: amplify our voices and push the culture for it.
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