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Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, a production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.

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Speaker 2: We're just two unapologetically Black women with an opinion who

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Speaker 2: talk back.

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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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Speaker 1: new episode of We Talk Back, a show dedicated to

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Speaker 1: you dreamers and chasers. It's your co-host, AJ Holiday. What's up, Tim?

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Speaker 3: Hey, y'all. It's Official Tim Vam. I love y'all.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all for tuning in again. We got a guest

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Speaker 2: with us today, Lauren LaRosa. Do her introduction. I know

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Speaker 2: you got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so why you ain't let me do it? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know I be writing nice little introductions for the guests, okay?

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So listen, today's guest is simply a

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Speaker 1: brown girl grinding, okay? A former news producer for TMZ,

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Speaker 1: also on-air talent for over seven years. Also for the

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Speaker 1: past year, y'all have seen her as a recurring guest

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Speaker 1: host on The Breakfast Club with Charlamagne Tha God and

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Speaker 1: DJ Envy. And again, she's a producer. She's a model.

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Speaker 1: She's an actress. She's dominating and documenting her journey. through

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Speaker 1: the world of entertainment via lifestyle vlogs on her self-produced

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Lauren LaRosa TV. And at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day, it's Lauren LaRosa. You like that?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I love how you brought it all together. At

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Speaker 4: the end of the day, it's new, too. So you

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Speaker 4: did your research. How y'all doing? I'm so happy to

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Speaker 4: be here. I'm so happy to be with girls that

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Speaker 4: talk back because maybe y'all be talking back. Maybe like,

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Speaker 4: shut up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we do. How was y'all weekend?

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Speaker 4: It was good. It was cool.

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Speaker 3: What'd you do?

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Speaker 4: I didn't really do much of nothing. I went out.

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Speaker 4: I had some friends in town. I newly got a

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Speaker 4: place here in Jersey. So just, like, letting people know

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Speaker 4: that I'm here and, like, popping out a little bit, like,

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Speaker 4: dinners and stuff like that. Nothing too, too crazy.

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Speaker 3: No? What about you, AJ?

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Speaker 1: I've been sick. the fuck what is happening you sound

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Speaker 1: better yeah then I saw this post on social media

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Speaker 1: how everybody's sick so apparently there's something going around and

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Speaker 1: only place I've been to was the grocery store it's like.

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Speaker 4: A cold but it feels like a flu Yes.

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Speaker 3: No, no. I called AJ Saturday. I was like, hello.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I think I'm on it too, you.

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Speaker 2: I was like, can I speak to AJ?

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Speaker 3: Like, God damn, bitch, what's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: Girl, I'm sweating right now. Like, I really need like

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Speaker 1: a fan and an ice pack. I'm so hot, but

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Speaker 1: it's coming out. That's my weekend.

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Speaker 3: Y'all, let me tell y'all about my weekend.

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Speaker 2: So one of my good friends, she was having her

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Speaker 2: twin babies christened this weekend in Atlanta. So I went

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Speaker 2: down to celebrate the babies and go to the christening,

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Speaker 2: and it was such a good time. And at the

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Speaker 2: end of the church service, my friend pulled me to

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Speaker 2: the front. She was like, I want to get the

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Speaker 2: pastor to pray for you. So I went to the front,

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Speaker 2: and the pastor, like, it was two of them that

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Speaker 2: was praying over me. And both of them took that

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Speaker 2: holy oil and went like, put it in their hand, right?

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Speaker 2: And they laid hands on my head, right? And they

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Speaker 2: was mashing it in. I feel like the pastor was

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Speaker 2: trying to make me go down, but I was like, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not going down.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going down. I'm not going down.

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Speaker 2: So he was just mashing that holy oil right into

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Speaker 2: my legs. Baby, by the time I got out of church.

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Speaker 4: Was the lace moved back? Because the oil moving.

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Speaker 3: Baby, I was lifted.

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Speaker 2: I was lifted in the spirit and so was my lace.

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Speaker 2: My shit was so high up. I was like, oh, Lord. Oh,

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Speaker 2: my God. It looks so bad, y'all. And I just

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Speaker 2: had to walk around talking to everybody. How did you

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Speaker 2: enjoy the service?

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Speaker 3: Lace just standing up.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's why it looks so good today because it's

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Speaker 4: been prayed over. Yes.

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Speaker 5: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to take that thing up and put

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Speaker 1: You wanted to push it back anyway, so there you go.

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Speaker 4: God said, let it be looking like it's from the couch,

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Speaker 4: and that it is. Okay?

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Speaker 1: It look good. Okay?

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Speaker 4: Would have never known.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I feel like they did that on purpose. They was

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Speaker 1: trying to see if that was your hair or not.

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Speaker 3: It was two men, too. Hands right there. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 3: thank you, God.

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Speaker 4: I know they was praying, too. Yes. Yes.

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Speaker 3: So hopefully them prayers come true. Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 2: So our first segment of the show is called Stupid

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Speaker 2: Internet News. I don't know if you've seen it or

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Speaker 2: heard it before, but it's just our sins of the

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Speaker 2: week where we discuss everything dumb that's going on in

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Speaker 2: the world or everything that's good. So let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Brown and All-Star Weekend. Did y'all

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Speaker 2: see that over the.

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Speaker 3: Weekend, Chris Brown going off? I saw that you had

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Speaker 3: a post recently about Chris Brown.

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Speaker 4: Girl, I'm still getting notifications that people are so angry

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Speaker 4: at me.

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Speaker 1: Girl, they gonna be mad, girl. They always mad. Oh,

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Speaker 1: can I cuss on her? Yes, bitch. Cuss the ass out, too.

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Speaker 1: How about that?

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Speaker 2: They like, fuck her. That's why she didn't get the

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club job now. People was on there saying that?

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Speaker 2: That was big, man.

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Speaker 4: That's like the lightest of the comments. But when you

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Speaker 4: talk about anything Chris Brown, especially if you're not saying

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Speaker 4: send him to hell and do rid of him, people gonna,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? That's gonna happen. I saw it, though,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, we still arguing about Chris?

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Like, that's my whole point.

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Speaker 3: Right, right.

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Speaker 2: So what happened over the weekend, for people who don't know,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown is slamming the NBA and claiming he was

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Speaker 2: disinvited from the league's annual NBA All-Star Celebrity Game due

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Speaker 2: to his past domestic violence controversies. The R & B

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Speaker 2: singer posted several screenshots of emails on his Instagram story

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Speaker 2: early Saturday morning, which appeared to be sent by the NBA. Now,

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Speaker 2: do we feel like it's about Rihanna still? Because that

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Speaker 2: shit old as hell.

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Speaker 4: I think it's about all of everything.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 4: Like, you got Rihanna, you got Karrueche, who had filed

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Speaker 4: police reports. You have just everything that has followed him since. Like,

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Speaker 4: he's just been, like, the bad kid in school since

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Speaker 4: the Rihanna stuff. He can't shake it. So, I think

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Speaker 4: brands are afraid to touch him. I mean, it's just

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Speaker 4: how it is.

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Speaker 2: That's what I think, too, because, I mean, here we

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Speaker 2: at the Grammys, and he's a known woman beater.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Dr. Dre's stuff never really stuck, though. Yeah. Like,

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Speaker 4: to be honest with you. Like, I think because Mishale

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Speaker 4: had that whole, like, what was it, like a docu-series

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Speaker 4: or something like that?

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Speaker 1: It was never as public as Chris Brown's situation.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I think that the age groups matter, too, because, like,

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Speaker 4: social media and all that stuff was a lot bigger when,

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Speaker 4: even though it's even bigger now when the Chris Brown,

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Speaker 4: Rihanna stuff happened. And I also think Rihanna is, like,

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Speaker 4: she was then and is now the girl. And as

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Speaker 4: sad as this is, it's like, I think when Black

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Speaker 4: women are, like, beaten, bruised, and were battered, the world

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Speaker 4: already cares to a certain extent, and not really. But

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Speaker 4: if you're not, like, a Meg Thee Stallion or Rihanna, like,

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Speaker 4: if this was any other woman, like, people don't even

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Speaker 4: talk about Karrueche.

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Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? So I think with Dr. Dre,

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Speaker 4: he kind of got able to, like, move around it

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Speaker 4: because the women weren't, like, big household names. He was.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: So basically, Dr. Dre beat the right bitches is what

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Speaker 2: you're saying?

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's what it looks like. Like, no, for real, though.

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Speaker 1: Or from a time where bitches got beat.

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Speaker 4: Right. And there was a lot of stuff, I think, too,

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Speaker 4: during their time. I mean, think. We know because of

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Speaker 4: the music, the lyrics, like everything. A lot of stuff

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Speaker 4: during their time was excusable for what they were like. Like,

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Speaker 4: we talk back now, hence your podcast. So it's a

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Speaker 4: little bit different now. These days, like, it wasn't the same.

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Speaker 1: And we fight back because... Beat who?

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Speaker 2: We shoot back over here.

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Speaker 4: We shoot first.

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Speaker 1: But I think it is whack for all these different

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Speaker 1: organizations to initiate these invitations to Chris Brown only to

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Speaker 1: pull him back because this is not the first time

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Speaker 1: it's happened. I can't recall offhand. the last time, but

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Speaker 1: I've definitely seen this type of shit happen with him before.

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Speaker 1: Like he said, just leave him alone. He'll go wherever

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Speaker 1: he's appreciated. You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: That's when Ruffles came out and Ruffles was like, get

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Speaker 4: somebody else to do it that we ain't had nothing

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Speaker 4: to do with that like and it look even crazier

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Speaker 4: because like y'all not even standing one of the brands

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Speaker 4: gotta stand on something and one of y'all are not

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Speaker 4: neither one of y'all are standing on anything so now

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Speaker 4: it looks like y'all scared to be like oh we

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Speaker 4: don't want to sit next to him but y'all don't

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Speaker 4: want to sit next to him it's like pick a

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Speaker 4: side and.

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Speaker 2: Y'all be having too much fucking air in that bag

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Speaker 2: of chips why is there much.

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Speaker 1: Air in the bag let's talk about that that.

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Speaker 4: We only eat the cheddar ruffles anyway right.

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Speaker 2: The sour cream and cheddar is the only one we

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Speaker 2: fuck with. And y'all only put 10 chips in the bag.

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Speaker 3: Get it together.

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Speaker 4: Nah, but the world ain't never going to let Chris

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Speaker 4: Brown let us down. And like, it's okay. Like, right.

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Speaker 4: Some people are forever going to feel like that man

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Speaker 4: deserves hell. And if that's how you feel, that's how

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Speaker 4: you feel. And if you don't, you don't. But when

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Speaker 4: it comes to the brands, I never want us to

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Speaker 4: think that these brands give two shits about us. Particularly us.

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Speaker 4: But especially once you've got a little tainted version of us.

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Speaker 4: They're going to protect their business. I don't care how

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Speaker 4: black the company team looks or whatever. Business is business.

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Speaker 1: See how quick everybody jumped off that P. Diddy train.

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Speaker 1: Got the hell up out of there.

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Speaker 4: We don't drink Deliano more.

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Speaker 1: I never drunk it. I like D'Ussé.

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Speaker 3: I never drunk it. I like the Reposado.

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Speaker 4: Y'all didn't drink it?

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Speaker 1: I like D'Ussé.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if niggas had it in the section, I

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Speaker 2: would drink it, but I wasn't ordering it.

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Speaker 1: First choice.

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Speaker 4: It was owned by a black man.

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Speaker 1: But was it? But really, was it? Because you got

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Speaker 1: No, we don't have none of them things. BET is

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Speaker 4: They got mad at her when she sold.

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Speaker 2: They got mad at, what's the purple brand? We get mad,

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Speaker 2: but it's like, yo, how are we supposed to scale

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Speaker 1: But that is one of the things they never wanted

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Because we already know y'all been fucking with

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Speaker 1: Charlamagne don't own this.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he does.

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Speaker 1: He owns 51%. Right? So it's still his business. But

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Speaker 1: But at some point, I don't know, some point we

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Speaker 4: Child, we don't take a stand against nothing but Krishan

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Speaker 1: We collect the deep motherfucking out there.

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Speaker 4: Get off our timeline. Sick of y'all.

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Speaker 3: And listen, after she put that tattoo on my face,

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Speaker 4: How'd she move in with him? He in jail.

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Speaker 1: I don't want it.

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Speaker 4: She moved back into the crib. I don't know. I

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Speaker 4: don't know what that looks like. But her and that

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Speaker 4: I said, I don't know what type of... What is

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Speaker 1: He's an Aquarius.

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Speaker 4: I never want to be that. I never want.

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Speaker 1: Those are demons.

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Speaker 4: I just met one of those. Girl, get away.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I just met one of those. It's crazy to say.

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Speaker 2: I just met one of those.

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Speaker 4: It's like I can see the demon. Like, damn.

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Speaker 1: Get away.

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Speaker 4: Get away.

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Speaker 2: Now, did y'all see over the weekend this mother, she

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Speaker 2: was excited that her daughter was embarking on her business

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Speaker 2: then we see this image of this young baby over

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Speaker 2: a woman's vagina. And the vagina is blurred out obviously,

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Speaker 2: but This lady went to jail yesterday. They arrested her

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Speaker 2: for sexual child abuse or child abuse.

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Speaker 1: Child neglect.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to say sexual. Child neglect. How do

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I felt like it should have happened before it happened.

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Speaker 1: I was not hoping because I... I find it so hard.

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Speaker 1: play devil's advocate sometimes. This is a situation where I

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Speaker 3: She was ignorant. I don't feel like it was a

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Speaker 2: I just feel like she was an ignorant mom who

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Speaker 3: Some education so she could make money for herself. That's

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Speaker 3: what it seemed like, right?

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Speaker 4: But how old was the baby?

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Speaker 1: Five years old, working a seven-hour shift.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: That's child labor laws.

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Speaker 4: I think the hardest... But not even the shift. It

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Speaker 4: was hard to see the little girl... with the, like,

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Speaker 4: this in between the spread legs. Like, I just feel

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Speaker 4: like there are certain things that you're, as a kid,

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Speaker 4: as a baby, that just shouldn't, you shouldn't be exposed

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Speaker 4: to right away. But I don't know about y'all and

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Speaker 4: how y'all grew up. I mean, my mom doesn't have

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 4: I keep forgetting I can say certain words on here.

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Speaker 4: My mom was having me waxing Okuchis and nothing like that.

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Speaker 4: But I was the oldest in the household. And I'll

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Speaker 4: be watching this girl. She writes letters to the oldest black,

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Speaker 4: like their older black daughters or whatever. And she talks

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Speaker 4: about how like you're, I don't know if this was

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Speaker 4: your parents are here trying to get you ready because

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Speaker 4: the world, you know, they just throw so much shit

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Speaker 4: our way. But it takes away from you being a child.

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Speaker 4: A baby is five. She should be cocoa melanin, not

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Speaker 4: like waxing people's melons for real. Like that shit is

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Speaker 4: crazy to me. It was hard to watch.

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Speaker 3: I agree.

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Speaker 2: Especially, like, you don't even really understand your own anatomy

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Speaker 2: yet at five years old, so to be looking at

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Speaker 3: It's too much.

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Speaker 4: You still saying private parts. And don't forget that people

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Speaker 4: are fucking predators, right?

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Speaker 1: That's what I was trying to interject.

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Speaker 4: You randomly waxing these people?

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Speaker 1: Exactly. That's what I told Tam earlier. Like, what if?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like, for whatever reason, we.

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Speaker 2: Think women are exempt from being predators when they are apex.

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Speaker 1: Predators, a lot of them.

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 4: So.

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Speaker 1: You have women in the community who probably have violated

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Speaker 1: little girls before. Now they know this particular wax parlor

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Speaker 1: has five-year-olds giving wax jobs. Why would I not go

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Speaker 1: get waxed by this five-year-old if that's the type of

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Speaker 1: shit I'm into? Her mom put her in danger.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Her mom put her in danger.

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Speaker 4: Bro, wax is hot. Because if it was a man-

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Speaker 4: So many variables here. It's like, are you slow?

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Speaker 1: If it was a man doing it, like a man

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Speaker 1: letting his son do that type of shit, the world

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Wouldn't they know? Because I feel

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Speaker 4: like people got mad at.

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Speaker 1: No, for real.

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Speaker 4: I feel like men... People got mad when Boosie was

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Speaker 4: talking about how his son was young and had like...

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Speaker 4: What was it? The son got hit or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: there were so many people that were like, I mean, shit.

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Speaker 4: At least you know he not gay. They were rationalizing it.

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Speaker 4: It's a little different with them.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell y'all something.

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Speaker 2: This makes me think of a childhood story of mine

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Speaker 2: where I got... I got a spanking for this and

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't have gotten a spanking. So I remember the

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Speaker 2: I tell this story already?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: But you remember to see and say you pull the

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Speaker 2: string and it'd be like, hee haw. It'd be pointing

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Speaker 3: Y'all remember that?

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Speaker 1: No, Lauren. No.

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Speaker 3: See and say.

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Speaker 2: It was like a little toy and it'd have like

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Speaker 2: an arrow to have animals all around it. And you

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Speaker 2: pull the string and it'll spin around and it'll stop

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Speaker 3: And when the string goes in, it'll make the animal sound.

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Speaker 1: Oh, okay.

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Speaker 3: The eighties. Anyway. So I used to love that toy.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: And my mom was, I think we were getting dressed

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Speaker 2: to go somewhere. She had me already dressed, and she

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Speaker 2: She wasn't clothed yet. And I saw a string hanging

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Speaker 3: So I went up to her.

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Speaker 2: I went up and pulled that string, baby, and then

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Speaker 2: whatever was in there flew.

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Speaker 3: Out on me and I was dead. I started hollering.

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Speaker 4: How old were you?

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Speaker 2: I was like four or five years old and I

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Speaker 3: And I got popped because then she had to change

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Speaker 2: She's like, I can't even use the bathroom by myself.

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Speaker 2: And then I think that was the, she started locking

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Speaker 4: Did that, did that, did that haunt you in your

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Speaker 3: Yes. I won't even use them.

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Speaker 4: I won't use them. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: I won't use them.

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Speaker 4: I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 1: What is happening? That really happened. My mom is a CSA.

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Speaker 1: You're so fucking crazy, man.

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Speaker 4: At least that's all you peeped in the bathroom and saw, though.

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Speaker 4: At least it wasn't, like, you know.

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Speaker 1: Waxing your mama.

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Speaker 4: Right.

443
00:18:34,180 --> 00:18:35,700
Speaker 3: My mama was like, come wax me.

444
00:18:36,109 --> 00:18:40,330
Speaker 1: That's definitely some precious shit. I'm sorry. All I thought

445
00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:43,730
Speaker 1: about was Monique and precious. Like, what are you doing

446
00:18:43,770 --> 00:18:44,609
Speaker 1: with your child, man?

447
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:46,450
Speaker 3: Yeah.

448
00:18:46,490 --> 00:18:48,699
Speaker 4: Why couldn't a mom just, like, put the LLC in

449
00:18:48,740 --> 00:18:51,679
Speaker 4: her name or, you know, like, some regular, like, regular

450
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:54,380
Speaker 4: people stuff? Like, why... Why do we always.

451
00:18:54,430 --> 00:18:56,100
Speaker 1: And then put it on the internet.

452
00:18:57,340 --> 00:18:58,800
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been mad at if she was doing

453
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,119
Speaker 2: armpits or lip. I wouldn't have been mad at that.

454
00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:01,520
Speaker 4: Yes.

455
00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:02,200
Speaker 1: Eyebrows.

456
00:19:02,220 --> 00:19:04,820
Speaker 4: It's the heat, though, or the wax that a five-year-old does.

457
00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's crazy.

458
00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,139
Speaker 1: And then you put it online because she thought she

459
00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,440
Speaker 1: was right. She really thought she was right.

460
00:19:11,540 --> 00:19:12,540
Speaker 4: She thought it was fly as hell.

461
00:19:12,580 --> 00:19:12,820
Speaker 2: She did.

462
00:19:12,859 --> 00:19:13,920
Speaker 4: She thought it was fly.

463
00:19:14,580 --> 00:19:17,480
Speaker 2: My baby made $ 750 today. Well, how much your baby made?

464
00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,360
Speaker 2: That's how she was.

465
00:19:18,420 --> 00:19:26,960
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. Listen. Have y'all been following this who

466
00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:32,010
Speaker 1: the fuck did I marry story on TikTok? This girl,

467
00:19:32,050 --> 00:19:36,350
Speaker 1: her name is Tessa Risa, Risa Tisa, or some shit

468
00:19:36,369 --> 00:19:39,750
Speaker 1: like that. Risa Tisa. I watched all 50.

469
00:19:39,750 --> 00:19:41,550
Speaker 3: I keep seeing it.

470
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:44,270
Speaker 4: I didn't watch it. So I've been seeing people talk

471
00:19:44,330 --> 00:19:46,389
Speaker 4: about the fact that people are watching 50 parts of

472
00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:48,679
Speaker 4: a TikTok story, but I didn't go watch it. Is

473
00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:49,359
Speaker 4: it worth the watch?

474
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:50,400
Speaker 1: She talks.

475
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:51,740
Speaker 3: Everybody seems to think so.

476
00:19:51,900 --> 00:19:56,640
Speaker 1: It's like, yes, because it's informative. And some people may

477
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: be experiencing this shit right now. You know what I'm saying?

478
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,119
Speaker 1: And like at the house confused. Because when you're in

479
00:20:03,140 --> 00:20:08,010
Speaker 1: a relationship with a pathological liar, with a narcissist, sometimes

480
00:20:08,050 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 1: you think you tripping. You know, so it could help

481
00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:11,659
Speaker 1: a lot.

482
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,560
Speaker 4: So what's the premise of that? Like what happened?

483
00:20:14,619 --> 00:20:17,060
Speaker 1: Let me give y'all a little quick little rundown. So

484
00:20:17,100 --> 00:20:21,639
Speaker 1: she met this guy on a dating website during COVID. Okay.

485
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,420
Speaker 1: She met him like that March, I believe. So COVID,

486
00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,790
Speaker 1: we went in lockdown like February. Now they're in Atlanta.

487
00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:30,630
Speaker 1: Atlanta ain't never really locked down. But anyway, so people

488
00:20:30,650 --> 00:20:32,889
Speaker 1: were still slinging dick at the beginning of COVID.

489
00:20:34,230 --> 00:20:38,629
Speaker 2: And um so boy when COVID happened let me just

490
00:20:38,670 --> 00:20:40,480
Speaker 2: say this I was trying to figure out how I

491
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,300
Speaker 2: was gonna fuck through a shower curtain I really was

492
00:20:43,340 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: like trying to figure out how I'm gonna.

493
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Speaker 3: Do this.

494
00:20:46,980 --> 00:20:49,540
Speaker 4: So I had a boyfriend then so I was cool

495
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,980
Speaker 4: I was I was trying to figure out how I

496
00:20:50,980 --> 00:20:51,940
Speaker 4: was gonna not end up with.

497
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Speaker 1: A baby y'all made it through well obviously y'all didn't

498
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 1: make it through COVID if you trying to find we

499
00:20:56,460 --> 00:20:57,820
Speaker 1: made it no we made it.

500
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 4: We made it through COVID but We gonna get it today.

501
00:21:01,820 --> 00:21:03,020
Speaker 3: We gonna get it to your shit.

502
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,669
Speaker 1: So apparently this guy had matched with her on two

503
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:09,430
Speaker 1: different sites. This was already the first red flag, y'all.

504
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:13,090
Speaker 1: He matched with her on two different dating websites under

505
00:21:13,150 --> 00:21:15,649
Speaker 1: two different names. Like one of the websites, it was

506
00:21:15,710 --> 00:21:18,470
Speaker 1: a variation of his other name. She found that this

507
00:21:18,490 --> 00:21:20,770
Speaker 1: dude was a twin later on, all type of little

508
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:23,810
Speaker 1: weird shit. But he just kept giving her to run

509
00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: around about buying a house and buying her a new car.

510
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200
Speaker 1: And just like a super duper, like if the nigga

511
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,300
Speaker 1: mouth was moving, he was lying. Like that's just the

512
00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 1: gist of the whole thing. And so now TikTok has

513
00:21:37,420 --> 00:21:40,790
Speaker 1: found the guy. Right. His name is Legion. And when

514
00:21:40,859 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: I like that's his nickname. So when I hear Legion,

515
00:21:43,140 --> 00:21:44,530
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Legion of Demons.

516
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 4: Right?

517
00:21:45,700 --> 00:21:48,629
Speaker 1: So, this is who you sleeping... This is who you

518
00:21:48,670 --> 00:21:50,950
Speaker 1: sleeping next to. And she would say how he can

519
00:21:50,970 --> 00:21:52,949
Speaker 1: quote the Bible and all that because his father was

520
00:21:52,990 --> 00:21:54,410
Speaker 1: supposedly a pastor.

521
00:21:54,510 --> 00:21:55,730
Speaker 4: It's always those ones.

522
00:21:55,790 --> 00:21:56,890
Speaker 3: His daddy really wasn't a pastor.

523
00:21:57,010 --> 00:21:59,369
Speaker 4: It's always those ones. If they quote the Bible and

524
00:21:59,390 --> 00:22:01,859
Speaker 4: they willing to do... What's that when you don't have sex?

525
00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 5: Oh.

526
00:22:02,300 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying?

527
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 1: Abstinence?

528
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,460
Speaker 4: Abstinence. If they willing to be abstinent, they quote the

529
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:08,580
Speaker 4: Bible right off the bat.

530
00:22:08,619 --> 00:22:08,820
Speaker 2: What?

531
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,400
Speaker 4: So, he ain't.

532
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: Trying to fuck.

533
00:22:11,780 --> 00:22:12,380
Speaker 4: He crazy.

534
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:18,290
Speaker 1: She said if he willing to sustain, he's a demon.

535
00:22:18,330 --> 00:22:19,369
Speaker 1: That is wild.

536
00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:26,030
Speaker 2: That's the red flag, okay?

537
00:22:26,230 --> 00:22:29,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's 50. No, I wouldn't watch all 50.

538
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,260
Speaker 1: I would do every other one, right? But if you

539
00:22:33,300 --> 00:22:35,120
Speaker 1: want the full context of the story, because you see

540
00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:38,460
Speaker 1: people in the comments like questioning her about shit she

541
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,090
Speaker 1: had already done. disclosed earlier on. If you watched the

542
00:22:42,130 --> 00:22:46,830
Speaker 1: whole series, then you'd know what was happening. I'm sick

543
00:22:47,010 --> 00:22:50,250
Speaker 1: in the house. I watched it just because I just wanted...

544
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:52,010
Speaker 1: This is a particular story I just wanted to know

545
00:22:52,050 --> 00:22:54,010
Speaker 1: about because I felt like, damn, why the hell did

546
00:22:54,030 --> 00:22:57,650
Speaker 1: I put my last relationship story on TikTok? Because that

547
00:22:57,690 --> 00:23:00,120
Speaker 1: means she's blowing up. I would have got monetized first, though.

548
00:23:00,380 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 1: She tripping.

549
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,460
Speaker 3: Right. Well, it ain't too late.

550
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 4: Girl, no.

551
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,030
Speaker 1: My shit is a movie. That's where mine's going at.

552
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,300
Speaker 1: because some of the things she was saying, some of

553
00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:12,869
Speaker 1: the shit she was saying, like she said, she was

554
00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:14,570
Speaker 1: at work one day and he just calls her out

555
00:23:14,590 --> 00:23:16,609
Speaker 1: the blue. And this is after he, they got married

556
00:23:16,630 --> 00:23:19,870
Speaker 1: and all of that within months. Okay. She had gotten pregnant.

557
00:23:19,890 --> 00:23:24,000
Speaker 1: She had a miscarriage, all the shit. He called her

558
00:23:24,020 --> 00:23:26,180
Speaker 1: at work one day and was like a black, some

559
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 1: dude just pulled up at your house and he's in

560
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: her house.

561
00:23:29,020 --> 00:23:29,260
Speaker 4: Okay.

562
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 1: So they ended up, uh, quarantining at her place. Um,

563
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,130
Speaker 1: Some dude just pulled up, like calling her while she's

564
00:23:36,150 --> 00:23:38,669
Speaker 1: at the nail shop, like just disturbing her peace. Because

565
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:41,669
Speaker 1: a narcissist never wants you to relax. Like they want

566
00:23:41,710 --> 00:23:45,690
Speaker 1: to keep you on edge and keep like questioning your reality.

567
00:23:46,090 --> 00:23:47,990
Speaker 1: So this is the type of shit he was doing

568
00:23:48,010 --> 00:23:52,230
Speaker 1: to her. Like just playing mind games. The nigga was homeless.

569
00:23:53,109 --> 00:23:54,109
Speaker 1: Just a real.

570
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: A real character. I don't know. I think it's a

571
00:23:58,260 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 1: mental illness. Come to find out the life he was

572
00:24:00,820 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: portraying to her, his twin brother was actually living. He

573
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: lied to her and said he was a VP of

574
00:24:06,380 --> 00:24:10,860
Speaker 1: his company. He drove a BMW company car. All this

575
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:14,260
Speaker 1: weird shit. He was paying for pussy on apps. It

576
00:24:14,300 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: was a mess. Okay? It's a mess. But this happened

577
00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:23,159
Speaker 1: between 20 and 21. And she's in recovery mode. So

578
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:26,410
Speaker 1: her putting the shit on TikTok... is like her therapy.

579
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:27,510
Speaker 3: A form of healing.

580
00:24:27,550 --> 00:24:31,210
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I get it. I get it, girl. Okay.

581
00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:33,250
Speaker 1: But she knows.

582
00:24:33,270 --> 00:24:37,929
Speaker 4: So hold on. So all this happened. She left him.

583
00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:39,730
Speaker 3: Right.

584
00:24:39,780 --> 00:24:43,220
Speaker 4: She left him. And now she on TikTok talking about it. She,

585
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,500
Speaker 4: is she date? Like why? Like, so she's putting it

586
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:47,780
Speaker 4: out there. Like, is she trying to get money back?

587
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: No, she just, just, just to help other women is like,

588
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,900
Speaker 1: That's some real traumatizing shit. So she's saying like, I'm

589
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:58,220
Speaker 1: just now being able to verbalize what I was going through.

590
00:24:58,260 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 1: Like my family didn't even know what I was going through.

591
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,500
Speaker 1: Like she was saving face, like acting like everything was

592
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:06,460
Speaker 1: cool when her mom came in town. Like, you know,

593
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,790
Speaker 1: because we have this thing where you're supposed to keep

594
00:25:08,810 --> 00:25:10,949
Speaker 1: your business to yourself and your relationship. I'm not one

595
00:25:10,970 --> 00:25:13,090
Speaker 1: of them because I'm telling everybody all the fuck shit

596
00:25:13,150 --> 00:25:15,570
Speaker 1: you did, bitch. Because when I need somebody to hold

597
00:25:15,609 --> 00:25:17,609
Speaker 1: me accountable to not fuck with you no more, my

598
00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:20,780
Speaker 1: friends won't do it. Would you be going back, though?

599
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:21,780
Speaker 3: Would we all be going back?

600
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,940
Speaker 1: But we give each other grace. You know I'm going back.

601
00:25:24,060 --> 00:25:25,619
Speaker 1: You know I'm going back for that day.

602
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,460
Speaker 4: I'm not the give grace friend. That's why I'm sitting

603
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,220
Speaker 4: here like, why does this sis have to have known

604
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,419
Speaker 4: that there was a restaurant number in there before the

605
00:25:31,420 --> 00:25:32,350
Speaker 4: 50 TikTok uploads?

606
00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:35,210
Speaker 1: I think you should keep your dumb bitch shit to

607
00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:39,070
Speaker 1: yourself sometimes. You know, until you're really ready to leave. Sometimes.

608
00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: It just depends on... I've never dealt with a pathological liar,

609
00:25:44,780 --> 00:25:45,060
Speaker 1: per se.

610
00:25:45,790 --> 00:25:47,970
Speaker 4: So where it's like so bad that you like, I

611
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:49,710
Speaker 4: know this nigga. Like he is no way.

612
00:25:49,910 --> 00:25:52,730
Speaker 1: Had her looking at $ 700, 000 houses. Talk about, he got

613
00:25:52,770 --> 00:25:55,190
Speaker 1: a cash down payment because he played arena football.

614
00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:55,850
Speaker 4: Bitch.

615
00:25:55,890 --> 00:25:58,850
Speaker 2: You never Googled arena football salary.

616
00:25:58,890 --> 00:25:59,750
Speaker 1: They don't make no money.

617
00:26:01,930 --> 00:26:03,290
Speaker 3: So none of that shit was true.

618
00:26:03,390 --> 00:26:07,510
Speaker 1: Nothing. His entire life was a lie, but the way

619
00:26:07,550 --> 00:26:09,970
Speaker 1: I'm a pet detective. And if any of our listeners,

620
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:11,950
Speaker 1: if y'all dealing with somebody and you just got a

621
00:26:11,950 --> 00:26:13,929
Speaker 1: little inkling in your mind, as they gain who he

622
00:26:13,950 --> 00:26:16,149
Speaker 1: say is sending to me, I'm going to find him.

623
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to find all the shit about him in

624
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: 24 hours.

625
00:26:18,820 --> 00:26:21,030
Speaker 4: Because there's all these apps and all these platforms. Now,

626
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, how does this not, like, when, like,

627
00:26:23,980 --> 00:26:26,710
Speaker 4: the first lie started to crumble, it's like, how you don't,

628
00:26:27,790 --> 00:26:29,540
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm a little too crazy for somebody

629
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: to lie to me that deep and that long. It

630
00:26:31,940 --> 00:26:33,500
Speaker 4: just wouldn't fly with me.

631
00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 1: I'm not easily finessed.

632
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: But she probably just wanted to have somebody. It was COVID.

633
00:26:39,340 --> 00:26:41,660
Speaker 2: She was probably lonely. This man was dicking her down.

634
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure they was having raw sex.

635
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:43,939
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got pregnant.

636
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,740
Speaker 3: Raw penis confuses you.

637
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,609
Speaker 1: And she said he was paying.

638
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,850
Speaker 4: Raw penis fucks the membrane up. It do. I get it.

639
00:26:51,050 --> 00:26:53,010
Speaker 4: Insane in the membrane when the raw penis fucks up.

640
00:26:53,010 --> 00:26:55,550
Speaker 1: She said he was paying all the bills initially. Paying

641
00:26:55,650 --> 00:26:56,570
Speaker 1: all her bills initially.

642
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:56,990
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.

643
00:26:57,869 --> 00:27:00,150
Speaker 1: So she said she really got blinded by that because

644
00:27:00,190 --> 00:27:02,690
Speaker 1: her money was her money. And this is all, this

645
00:27:02,830 --> 00:27:04,330
Speaker 1: is what we be saying we want, right?

646
00:27:04,350 --> 00:27:07,830
Speaker 4: Mm-hmm. Then sometimes- He didn't take her to Applebee's.

647
00:27:07,890 --> 00:27:10,070
Speaker 1: No, their first date was definitely Cheesecake Factory.

648
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: Okay?

649
00:27:10,670 --> 00:27:19,959
Speaker 1: That's the thing. Reflex. They met. Look, he got her

650
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:21,740
Speaker 1: on the very first date. And this is all I'm

651
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,990
Speaker 1: going to say about it. So- I'm going to stop

652
00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:26,070
Speaker 1: talking about it anyway. So the first date, she said

653
00:27:26,090 --> 00:27:27,730
Speaker 1: she was on the way to meet him to the

654
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:30,990
Speaker 1: SheSick factory and her fucking tire blew out. She called

655
00:27:31,050 --> 00:27:33,750
Speaker 1: him and said, hey, I just blew out on the

656
00:27:33,790 --> 00:27:36,770
Speaker 1: side of whatever, 285, whatever. He came, took her to

657
00:27:36,810 --> 00:27:40,290
Speaker 1: her tire shop, bought her the tire. The pussy is

658
00:27:40,350 --> 00:27:43,540
Speaker 1: in the bag. Like, you come, you don't even know

659
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: me yet.

660
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: Like, you come see me. I had one of those before.

661
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,580
Speaker 4: He was a pricey and he was fucking hell. Honestly,

662
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 4: I might cry right now.

663
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:57,909
Speaker 3: It's about to be they season too it's about to

664
00:27:57,930 --> 00:27:58,909
Speaker 3: be Pisces.

665
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Speaker 1: Season Pisces men are fine it.

666
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Speaker 4: Was such a good time over there it was such

667
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,700
Speaker 4: a good time over there and he just they just

668
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,660
Speaker 4: be knowing what to do and how to talk to

669
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Speaker 4: you and like they do shit like that like oh

670
00:28:10,859 --> 00:28:13,570
Speaker 4: first day I'm talking to you my car breaks down

671
00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:16,950
Speaker 4: would you need a new car here cause my girlfriend

672
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:19,210
Speaker 4: not gonna be riding around with in a Uber and

673
00:28:19,230 --> 00:28:20,969
Speaker 4: then it's like oh I love him and then it's

674
00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: like Everything changes. Now he's hell. He don't answer the phone.

675
00:28:25,300 --> 00:28:27,790
Speaker 4: He goes days without talking to you. He's fucking the

676
00:28:27,810 --> 00:28:30,650
Speaker 4: shit out of you and that just stops. And it's like, whoa,

677
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:31,990
Speaker 4: now I'm outside your mom's house.

678
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:34,430
Speaker 3: Why you being weird to me?

679
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:39,190
Speaker 4: And then once you outside the mom's house, why you

680
00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:41,590
Speaker 4: being weird to me? He still don't pick up the phone.

681
00:28:42,010 --> 00:28:43,410
Speaker 4: Then he just calls you next week like, hey babe,

682
00:28:43,470 --> 00:28:46,950
Speaker 4: what you doing? You want to go here? Like nothing happened.

683
00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:48,050
Speaker 4: And you just like.

684
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:52,540
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to go. And you can't understand why

685
00:28:52,660 --> 00:28:56,030
Speaker 4: it's like that. I used to call mine Jurassic Park

686
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:58,130
Speaker 4: because it's hell when you get there, but it just

687
00:28:58,150 --> 00:29:03,750
Speaker 4: seems so attractive. Y'all literally sweating right now.

688
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:07,350
Speaker 1: They be programming the coochie for sure. Them goddamn Pisces.

689
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:08,990
Speaker 1: And Pisces men are so fine.

690
00:29:09,010 --> 00:29:10,660
Speaker 3: I had to block mine.

691
00:29:10,700 --> 00:29:11,220
Speaker 4: They are.

692
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:12,820
Speaker 3: I had to block them.

693
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,900
Speaker 4: I'm not good at blocking and keeping you there.

694
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,900
Speaker 2: Right no i had to do it this time because

695
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: i was gonna continue to fuck that man if i

696
00:29:22,460 --> 00:29:27,270
Speaker 2: didn't i said 2024 no more i can't do it.

697
00:29:29,050 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: I said at the top of 2024 my friend said

698
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: we leaving all the toxic niggas behind i said who

699
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,190
Speaker 4: i'm taking.

700
00:29:33,870 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: All my niggas. I don't want no trouble.

701
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,220
Speaker 4: Just in case I need somebody to call, I'm going

702
00:29:38,260 --> 00:29:40,500
Speaker 4: to just, you know, keep them to the side. But

703
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,780
Speaker 4: they got to come on over a little bit.

704
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:43,300
Speaker 3: Shame.

705
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Speaker 1: All right, y'all.

706
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Speaker 2: We're going to have a commercial break and we'll be

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Speaker 2: right back with Lauren LaRosa.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: All right, Lauren LaRosa. You are relatively young, right? I

710
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: want to talk about, or can we talk about your

711
00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: time at TMZ and how you even ended up there?

712
00:30:01,060 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Because I was like, damn, did she go straight from college?

713
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,510
Speaker 4: So I actually, I did, but I didn't. I graduated

714
00:30:08,660 --> 00:30:12,390
Speaker 4: from Delaware State University. Shout out to my HBCU in 2014.

715
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Speaker 4: And then I moved to LA. I was there for

716
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:16,730
Speaker 4: about six months and then I couldn't afford to be

717
00:30:16,770 --> 00:30:19,430
Speaker 4: there anymore. So I moved back home. And then I

718
00:30:19,710 --> 00:30:23,450
Speaker 4: was at home in Delaware working for about a year

719
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Speaker 4: or two. And then I went back to LA and

720
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Speaker 4: then I started working for TMZ. So it was my

721
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Speaker 4: first consistent entertainment job after college, but it wasn't right

722
00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:37,410
Speaker 4: after college. And I started from like the bottom, like of,

723
00:30:37,650 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 4: and I hate when I say that because no shade

724
00:30:39,780 --> 00:30:42,670
Speaker 4: to the tour guides, but it's not the newsroom whatsoever.

725
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,300
Speaker 4: I was giving tours around Hollywood. You making like $ 15

726
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:48,980
Speaker 4: an hour, working two to four hours a day. So

727
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Speaker 4: I had, like, three jobs. Like, you know, this is me, like,

728
00:30:52,380 --> 00:30:54,750
Speaker 4: out of college. I had a great marketing job in

729
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:56,830
Speaker 4: Delaware and, like, was doing entertainment stuff on the side.

730
00:30:56,870 --> 00:30:59,530
Speaker 4: And my family was like, yeah, you're doing well. You know,

731
00:30:59,550 --> 00:31:01,390
Speaker 4: just keep doing that cute little entertainment stuff. So when

732
00:31:01,410 --> 00:31:05,100
Speaker 4: I decided to leave that job and go full force,

733
00:31:05,130 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: they were like, what the fuck? Like, why would you?

734
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,060
Speaker 3: Leave something good to go full force. Do tours.

735
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Speaker 4: They couldn't. Until my mom could turn on the television

736
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Speaker 4: and actually see me on TV. And it's crazy because

737
00:31:16,940 --> 00:31:19,090
Speaker 4: she's a dreamer. Like she has a background in fashion.

738
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:20,730
Speaker 4: She moved to New York to do design and all

739
00:31:20,750 --> 00:31:23,470
Speaker 4: that stuff. But she's also like a very, she's a

740
00:31:23,510 --> 00:31:25,690
Speaker 4: money person. So she couldn't understand me working for free,

741
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:28,060
Speaker 4: working for not a lot of money. Especially when I

742
00:31:28,100 --> 00:31:30,100
Speaker 4: had the degree, my degree is in marketing. I had

743
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 4: a great job. I was doing marketing for Barclays and,

744
00:31:32,860 --> 00:31:34,740
Speaker 4: you know, I was doing a lot of things. She

745
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,310
Speaker 4: couldn't get it until she could turn on the TV

746
00:31:36,330 --> 00:31:38,810
Speaker 4: and see me. And even then it was still kind

747
00:31:38,850 --> 00:31:42,910
Speaker 4: of like, this is cool, but like, where is it?

748
00:31:42,930 --> 00:31:43,450
Speaker 4: Where are we going?

749
00:31:43,470 --> 00:31:44,870
Speaker 1: Where the money at?

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Speaker 4: Right. So I was giving tours for like a good

751
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:52,090
Speaker 4: two years before they even really started considering me for

752
00:31:52,110 --> 00:31:56,030
Speaker 4: a newsroom, like job, like producing news and being on

753
00:31:56,050 --> 00:31:56,930
Speaker 4: the show more consistently.

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Speaker 2: All right, so last year, Angela Yee left the Breakfast Club,

755
00:32:02,380 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: and she said that it wasn't healthy working in this

756
00:32:05,900 --> 00:32:07,070
Speaker 2: male-dominated space.

757
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Speaker 3: Was it like that for you at TMZ?

758
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:10,900
Speaker 1: Maybe.

759
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,390
Speaker 4: Not to take away from what Angela Yee went through,

760
00:32:13,970 --> 00:32:17,930
Speaker 4: but my experience at Breakfast Club made me realize how

761
00:32:17,970 --> 00:32:22,430
Speaker 4: much I was in hell at TMZ. I remember my

762
00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:27,450
Speaker 4: second day there at Breakfast Club, I text all of

763
00:32:27,510 --> 00:32:30,100
Speaker 4: my friends from TMZ that still work there right now

764
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 4: and was like, the environment that we have been working

765
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,180
Speaker 4: in for all of these years is not okay.

766
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: It's hostile.

767
00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: It is very dark. It is very draining.

768
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Speaker 2: It is very, you know, it's a news desk environment.

769
00:32:41,740 --> 00:32:42,850
Speaker 4: And I don't know if you guys have ever been

770
00:32:42,870 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 4: in a newsroom. that is like any newsroom, whether it's

771
00:32:46,340 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 4: TMZ or not, is very like, because there's something always happening.

772
00:32:50,010 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 4: You're yelling, you're talking, you love somebody, you hate them.

773
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,250
Speaker 4: That's just our industry in general. But, and I don't

774
00:32:56,270 --> 00:32:58,230
Speaker 4: have anything to compare it to. I never had anything

775
00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:00,190
Speaker 4: to compare it to until I went to Breakfast Club

776
00:33:00,250 --> 00:33:01,970
Speaker 4: and got to, you know, work with them for some time.

777
00:33:02,450 --> 00:33:06,729
Speaker 4: And when I did, I was just like, whoa. Yeah.

778
00:33:06,810 --> 00:33:09,050
Speaker 4: So I, not only did I experience like, you know,

779
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:11,590
Speaker 4: it being a male dominated space, but you got to

780
00:33:11,610 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: think about it like, I'm very young in my career

781
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 4: at the time when I start there. Black, at the time,

782
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,459
Speaker 4: you had Vin, who was on air, Raquel, who was

783
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,780
Speaker 4: on air, and then me. Charles, you know, who's there,

784
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: but Charles is EP, so he's kind of removed a

785
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 4: lot from certain things sometimes, even though he's in the

786
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 4: day-to-day conversations and tries to support as much as he can.

787
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: Charles gets so much shit.

788
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: Is that the guy with the dreads?

789
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 4: He's had to hold me down in certain situations, so

790
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,030
Speaker 4: I never give him too much shit, but I always

791
00:33:42,050 --> 00:33:43,890
Speaker 4: make the joke that, like, during Black History Month, like,

792
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:45,810
Speaker 4: we count him half the time because, you know, it

793
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:49,390
Speaker 4: just depends on where he falls. But it's all love. But, like,

794
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:52,430
Speaker 4: so I had that support when I came in. And

795
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:54,150
Speaker 4: as a tour guide, you got to be on the show.

796
00:33:54,170 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: So I was on the show a lot even before

797
00:33:56,260 --> 00:33:58,180
Speaker 4: I got on the news desk. But, like, you know,

798
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,060
Speaker 4: my texts were real quick. I'm in and out. They're

799
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 4: barely listening to me. Ben had to repeat a lot

800
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,300
Speaker 4: of what I was saying most of the time for

801
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,340
Speaker 4: people to even hear me. And then I would leave.

802
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,259
Speaker 4: Once I actually got on the news desk, And that's

803
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 4: a whole different beast because now you're, you're a part

804
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,700
Speaker 4: of a group of like maybe 10 people who are

805
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,460
Speaker 4: breaking news for the world and controlling the conversation around

806
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: entertainment news for the world. I'm the only, at this

807
00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 4: point now, Van has gone. And then Raquel decided to

808
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 4: leave as well too. It's just me. So not only

809
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 4: am I the only black person on the news desk,

810
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: I'm the only black woman on the news desk. So

811
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,709
Speaker 4: I'm up against number one, um, black entertainment and black news,

812
00:34:37,770 --> 00:34:39,630
Speaker 4: in my opinion, not being valued the way that it

813
00:34:39,650 --> 00:34:41,710
Speaker 4: should have been for it to drive so much of

814
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:45,569
Speaker 4: their website and their content. I'm up against being new

815
00:34:45,650 --> 00:34:47,149
Speaker 4: in the room and in the space and not feeling

816
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:49,299
Speaker 4: like I had that much power for a very long time.

817
00:34:49,390 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 4: I felt like that. So I didn't know how to approach,

818
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 4: you know, when I wanted to push back on certain

819
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,460
Speaker 4: things and like whatever for the show, it was cute.

820
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,609
Speaker 4: Like I felt, you know, on the show, I could

821
00:34:57,650 --> 00:34:59,950
Speaker 4: say and do certain things because that's what they wanted

822
00:34:59,989 --> 00:35:02,130
Speaker 4: for the show. But in real life, when we're day-to-day

823
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:04,350
Speaker 4: working with each other, there were things that were being,

824
00:35:04,610 --> 00:35:06,650
Speaker 4: that were happening that I didn't feel comfortable with speaking

825
00:35:06,690 --> 00:35:10,569
Speaker 4: up about to a certain extent. Just bringing ideas to

826
00:35:10,590 --> 00:35:13,670
Speaker 4: the table and just watching stuff happen and not even

827
00:35:13,790 --> 00:35:15,650
Speaker 4: news related, but just like with the people that I'm

828
00:35:15,690 --> 00:35:19,350
Speaker 4: working with and colleagues and, you know, these little microaggressions

829
00:35:19,390 --> 00:35:21,569
Speaker 4: and things that I started to see and understand that

830
00:35:21,690 --> 00:35:24,270
Speaker 4: I think Vin, he did a really good job of

831
00:35:25,130 --> 00:35:28,290
Speaker 4: making things funny and making things fun, but shielding me

832
00:35:28,350 --> 00:35:31,049
Speaker 4: from a lot of stuff. And I, and he, it

833
00:35:31,090 --> 00:35:33,609
Speaker 4: was from day one. Like even when I didn't know him,

834
00:35:33,730 --> 00:35:36,259
Speaker 4: like I remember I walked in and he was like, Hey,

835
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,219
Speaker 4: I'm Van. What's your name? Like he took the time

836
00:35:38,260 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 4: to come over.

837
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Speaker 1: Van is one of the nicest guys.

838
00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:43,940
Speaker 4: It wasn't super. I love, I love Van so much. Like,

839
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 4: because he just always, even before he really knew me,

840
00:35:46,890 --> 00:35:50,290
Speaker 4: he always looked out for me. And I didn't understand

841
00:35:50,390 --> 00:35:52,870
Speaker 4: how much of a, kind of like a, a privilege

842
00:35:52,890 --> 00:35:55,270
Speaker 4: to have a black man in a space like that,

843
00:35:55,610 --> 00:35:58,450
Speaker 4: that understood how important it was to do that was

844
00:35:58,550 --> 00:36:00,230
Speaker 4: until he wasn't there anymore. And then I was like,

845
00:36:00,410 --> 00:36:02,529
Speaker 4: oh shit. So like now I got, so now I

846
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:04,550
Speaker 4: got to fight and it's just me and it's just whatever.

847
00:36:04,650 --> 00:36:06,870
Speaker 4: So I went through a lot of different stuff. Like

848
00:36:06,890 --> 00:36:08,609
Speaker 4: there were times, there's so much stuff that didn't make

849
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:11,790
Speaker 4: it to air that like, sometimes I wish it didn't

850
00:36:11,810 --> 00:36:13,150
Speaker 4: make it to air because I think that it would

851
00:36:13,170 --> 00:36:16,370
Speaker 4: have started a conversation internally and externally that on a,

852
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:19,450
Speaker 4: like a major scale that was needed just about like

853
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: black women in like major media spaces. Black people in

854
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,700
Speaker 4: spaces where they are the only Black content, Black news,

855
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:34,450
Speaker 4: Black celebrity. When the Kanye West, Kyrie Irving stuff was happening,

856
00:36:35,330 --> 00:36:38,110
Speaker 4: mind you, this is my first time too being exposed

857
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:39,290
Speaker 4: to like, like I grew up in a hood and

858
00:36:39,310 --> 00:36:41,270
Speaker 4: like when I, my school was inner city school. So

859
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:44,010
Speaker 4: I was the majority in my school. I went to HBCU.

860
00:36:44,090 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 4: I was the majority. My workspaces all of my life

861
00:36:47,380 --> 00:36:50,340
Speaker 4: have always been the only places that I wasn't the majority.

862
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:51,060
Speaker 1: I was the minority.

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00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,110
Speaker 4: So this was my first time working in space where,

864
00:36:54,190 --> 00:36:56,110
Speaker 4: you know, I'm working with people that are like, you know,

865
00:36:56,150 --> 00:36:59,410
Speaker 4: there's a bunch of different religions and like whatever. And

866
00:36:59,450 --> 00:37:01,770
Speaker 4: when the Kyrie Irving stuff happened, I remember it was

867
00:37:01,810 --> 00:37:04,739
Speaker 4: a culture shock for me because a lot of what

868
00:37:04,780 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: was happening. And like, even with Nick Cannon, when he

869
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 4: said those comments that he said, I remember a lot

870
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,549
Speaker 4: of the things I'm like, I grew up hearing some

871
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:15,180
Speaker 4: of that in my household and that's what I was taught.

872
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: I didn't know that it hurt people. I didn't know that,

873
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: you know, to a certain extent, certain things weren't okay.

874
00:37:20,219 --> 00:37:22,379
Speaker 4: Like I had no idea. And it was the same

875
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:24,379
Speaker 4: thing with our stuff. Like I had to teach certain

876
00:37:24,420 --> 00:37:26,980
Speaker 4: people why you don't ask me about how long my

877
00:37:27,020 --> 00:37:28,859
Speaker 4: hair took the braid down every single time I get

878
00:37:28,890 --> 00:37:30,739
Speaker 4: my braid done. Like I'm not a, I'm not a

879
00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: science project, bro. Like I, there was so much that

880
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: we had to like teach each other. And I was

881
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,180
Speaker 4: just like, Oh shit. Like this is real. So, but

882
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: there was no protection. It was just like me. And

883
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 4: I didn't realize until I left again, how much that

884
00:37:43,540 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 4: fucked with me, like on a day to day. So

885
00:37:47,130 --> 00:37:49,730
Speaker 4: I encountered that, but, and again, I don't want to

886
00:37:49,770 --> 00:37:52,710
Speaker 4: take away from Angelique's experience, but when I walked into

887
00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 4: the breakfast club, that time that I was there, I

888
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,819
Speaker 4: was like, I wish that every day of my work

889
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 4: life when I was at TMZ felt like this. I

890
00:37:59,500 --> 00:38:02,219
Speaker 4: could have been so much better of an employee. I mean,

891
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:05,260
Speaker 4: I did my thing, but it would have been so different.

892
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: I felt happier. I would have felt like, even in times,

893
00:38:09,460 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: because when you're talking topics and culture and all this stuff,

894
00:38:13,780 --> 00:38:15,540
Speaker 4: some of this stuff get very heated. We're not going

895
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,860
Speaker 4: to all agree, whether we all look alike or not.

896
00:38:18,100 --> 00:38:21,819
Speaker 4: But although I felt safe and comfortable to disagree, it

897
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,620
Speaker 4: took me time to get to that point at TMZ. Like,

898
00:38:25,060 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: it was a lot of times where, like, I didn't

899
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 4: really understand myself as an asset in that room. And

900
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,980
Speaker 4: I didn't know, like, they using the fuck out of me.

901
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,910
Speaker 4: I mean, like, when Van got fired, I had never

902
00:38:34,989 --> 00:38:37,950
Speaker 4: hosted any of the shows by myself. Mind you, TMZ

903
00:38:38,030 --> 00:38:38,669
Speaker 4: is in L.A.

904
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Speaker 3: L.A.

905
00:38:39,010 --> 00:38:41,989
Speaker 4: Is number one market for television. TMZ is, you know,

906
00:38:42,030 --> 00:38:44,150
Speaker 4: they're huge at what they do. So to be on

907
00:38:44,170 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 4: those platforms on television is a major thing. The day

908
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,299
Speaker 4: that Van got fired, the next day, they say, hey,

909
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: do you want to host TMZ Live?

910
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.

911
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,500
Speaker 4: And I was like yeah okay and it didn't dawn

912
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 4: on me until I'm hosting in the seat y'all niggas

913
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 4: only got me here because y'all on page six looking

914
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 4: like racist people right now because of the conversation that

915
00:39:07,980 --> 00:39:11,219
Speaker 4: was surrounding it me if I had known like it's

916
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,700
Speaker 4: not like I was oblivious or green but I think

917
00:39:13,820 --> 00:39:16,070
Speaker 4: I was just so in the this is just work

918
00:39:16,110 --> 00:39:17,490
Speaker 4: this is just what I do this is how they

919
00:39:17,570 --> 00:39:19,590
Speaker 4: use me I'm just happy to be here that I

920
00:39:19,610 --> 00:39:22,450
Speaker 4: just like went with it until I host it and

921
00:39:22,469 --> 00:39:25,100
Speaker 4: my Twitter went crazy. People were like, who the hell

922
00:39:25,140 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: is this Black girl? Why would she come and host

923
00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:29,330
Speaker 4: after what they did to Van? Van had to get

924
00:39:29,370 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 4: on Twitter and be like, this is my sister leave

925
00:39:30,900 --> 00:39:34,420
Speaker 4: her alone but and i was like oh shit like

926
00:39:34,620 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 4: i'm the pawn right now like so once i realized

927
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: that i'm like okay bet y'all wanna play let's play

928
00:39:41,090 --> 00:39:44,390
Speaker 4: Y'all need me. I need y'all. I'm an asset. I

929
00:39:44,430 --> 00:39:46,220
Speaker 4: don't agree with this. I don't agree with that. I'm

930
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,620
Speaker 4: going to do this. I'm going to do that. And

931
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 4: y'all need me. So we'll see where it lies. And

932
00:39:50,580 --> 00:39:52,259
Speaker 4: there were so many times I would call my manager like, yeah,

933
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,860
Speaker 4: I'm probably going to get fired today. like what's what's

934
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 4: what's next for us because i didn't sure told them

935
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Speaker 4: off today on.

936
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Speaker 1: Air that uh that uh exchange you and harvey had

937
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:05,370
Speaker 1: after the the kenosha um shooting the little boy kyle

938
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:07,910
Speaker 1: rittenhouse had gotten uh where he got off he didn't

939
00:40:07,930 --> 00:40:11,430
Speaker 1: get convicted um the exchange you and him had that

940
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:14,390
Speaker 1: day is that kind of what led up to you resigning.

941
00:40:15,810 --> 00:40:18,890
Speaker 4: No And that was early in the game. Like that

942
00:40:18,910 --> 00:40:21,589
Speaker 4: was like right after all of the protest stuff that

943
00:40:21,610 --> 00:40:23,270
Speaker 4: happened and kind of, you know, coming off all the

944
00:40:23,290 --> 00:40:26,190
Speaker 4: George Floyd stuff. There have been way more heated. Like

945
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:30,750
Speaker 4: imagine being the only person that is willing to talk

946
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:33,730
Speaker 4: back when George Floyd and Ahmaud Arbery got killed. And

947
00:40:33,790 --> 00:40:36,450
Speaker 4: having to teach them about, we put up a Juneteenth

948
00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 4: post and we put, I keep saying we, I'm so

949
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,430
Speaker 4: used to being there. I remember they had put up a,

950
00:40:41,950 --> 00:40:44,230
Speaker 4: they were prepping a Juneteenth post to go live on

951
00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:46,529
Speaker 4: the website because everybody was so black and all that

952
00:40:46,570 --> 00:40:49,509
Speaker 4: during that time, right? And they wanted to use the

953
00:40:49,550 --> 00:40:51,790
Speaker 4: American flag as a part of the art for the

954
00:40:51,810 --> 00:40:54,610
Speaker 4: Juneteenth post. And I had to get on the phone

955
00:40:54,670 --> 00:40:57,609
Speaker 4: and say, yo, what y'all trying for, the race war? Like,

956
00:40:57,650 --> 00:40:59,310
Speaker 4: the whole point of Juneteenth is the fact that we

957
00:40:59,330 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 4: don't feel welcome here. Like, why would you use the

958
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: American flag, which is a part of the Constitution that

959
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,500
Speaker 4: we feel like has still enslaved us and we're celebrating

960
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: the date that we found out that we ain't got

961
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:10,060
Speaker 4: shit to do with that. Like, y'all not getting it?

962
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:13,230
Speaker 4: And they were like, oh, you're being too emotional. I

963
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:19,330
Speaker 4: had to call Charles. When I called Charles, Charles didn't

964
00:41:19,350 --> 00:41:21,830
Speaker 4: fully understand it, but he heard me out. And once

965
00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,910
Speaker 4: I explained it, he was like, you're right. We're going

966
00:41:23,930 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: to change it. Send me the correct flag and correct

967
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:27,150
Speaker 4: colors and we'll make sure that.

968
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,620
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

969
00:41:27,900 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 4: Having to do stuff like that on and off air

970
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,500
Speaker 4: by the time of the Dylann Roof stuff had become

971
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,660
Speaker 4: so normal to me. And I thank God for that experience.

972
00:41:34,700 --> 00:41:37,219
Speaker 4: It was tough in the beginning. Like, I remember I

973
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,089
Speaker 4: was like crying every day. Like, I was like, it's

974
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:43,830
Speaker 4: just the pressure of it. Like they're literally making you

975
00:41:43,870 --> 00:41:45,739
Speaker 4: speak for every black person in the world. And it's like,

976
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,660
Speaker 4: you never feel like you can get it right. You

977
00:41:47,700 --> 00:41:49,100
Speaker 4: know how real this shit can get if you say

978
00:41:49,140 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 4: something wrong, but not even just saying and doing things wrong.

979
00:41:51,900 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 4: But like, you know, I really come from a place

980
00:41:53,340 --> 00:41:55,940
Speaker 4: where like my friend is really getting beat up by

981
00:41:55,980 --> 00:41:58,740
Speaker 4: police before this shit was cute to talk about on Instagram.

982
00:41:58,820 --> 00:42:02,260
Speaker 4: My brother, my mom was going to, you know, showing

983
00:42:02,300 --> 00:42:04,330
Speaker 4: up to court cases where police wouldn't show up because

984
00:42:04,510 --> 00:42:07,259
Speaker 4: my brother resisted arrest, but y'all fucked him up. So

985
00:42:07,380 --> 00:42:08,900
Speaker 4: of course he resisted arrest. You know what I mean?

986
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,969
Speaker 4: Like this is real for me. It's not just a

987
00:42:11,050 --> 00:42:13,850
Speaker 4: segment on a new show for me. So I took

988
00:42:13,870 --> 00:42:15,750
Speaker 4: things a lot more personally than they did and it

989
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:17,730
Speaker 4: would get on my nerves and they wouldn't understand it.

990
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:20,190
Speaker 4: So we had been through so much shit. Like the

991
00:42:21,290 --> 00:42:24,230
Speaker 4: pivotal points for me when I was like, yo, how

992
00:42:24,330 --> 00:42:28,090
Speaker 4: much more mentally are you going to put yourself through anywhere?

993
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:31,650
Speaker 4: Not even just here was when we had the conversations

994
00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:36,100
Speaker 4: about Kanye and Kyrie Irving and We had had, I

995
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,690
Speaker 4: tried to handle it in a way where, like, I

996
00:42:38,730 --> 00:42:42,549
Speaker 4: understood where they were coming from, right? Like, there were

997
00:42:42,570 --> 00:42:44,930
Speaker 4: people that I was working with at TMZ whose grandparents

998
00:42:45,050 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 4: were a part of, like, a lot of, like, the, like,

999
00:42:49,580 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 4: the anti-Semitic comments and, like, the genocide, like, just the

1000
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 4: different things that they had been through. It's real close

1001
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,700
Speaker 4: for them. Like, literally their grandparents. Like, I have a

1002
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,859
Speaker 4: friend who was telling me about her grandmother and losing

1003
00:42:59,890 --> 00:43:01,730
Speaker 4: her grandmother and all that stuff and why Kanye hurt

1004
00:43:01,770 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: her or whatever. And I took that and I listened

1005
00:43:04,140 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 4: to it. But I also felt like on the other

1006
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,500
Speaker 4: side of things, there were some things that were happening.

1007
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,420
Speaker 4: And my point to them was as a platform, we

1008
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,940
Speaker 4: have a responsibility to be fair and not lean off

1009
00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:16,420
Speaker 4: of emotion. And the people in power here right now

1010
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,420
Speaker 4: are not being fair. It's all very personally, emotionally driven.

1011
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 4: And we're human. So I understand why it's happening. But like,

1012
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,299
Speaker 4: you know, as a person that's here, I just want

1013
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:26,890
Speaker 4: to put that on the forefront before we have any

1014
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:29,430
Speaker 4: of these conversations. That shit went out the window when

1015
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:32,450
Speaker 4: the conversation started, right? And I was just like, bro,

1016
00:43:32,830 --> 00:43:34,430
Speaker 4: I got to get to a place in my career

1017
00:43:34,469 --> 00:43:37,549
Speaker 4: where I can say I'm not OK with something and

1018
00:43:37,590 --> 00:43:39,350
Speaker 4: walk away from it. And as long as I sit

1019
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:42,989
Speaker 4: up under this brand and just be the black girl TMZ,

1020
00:43:43,410 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 4: I'm never going to be able to do that. Like,

1021
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,380
Speaker 4: I got to build audience. I got it's going to

1022
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,100
Speaker 4: be tough. You got to build it anyway. But I

1023
00:43:48,140 --> 00:43:51,339
Speaker 4: got to do it because, like, I'm sitting here right now. Like,

1024
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,739
Speaker 4: are y'all fucking serious? Like, y'all want to talk about

1025
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 4: the fact that Kyrie didn't apologize the way you wanted

1026
00:43:58,260 --> 00:43:59,739
Speaker 4: him to or use the words you wanted him to.

1027
00:43:59,739 --> 00:44:01,109
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

1028
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:02,709
Speaker 1: It's bullying.

1029
00:44:03,150 --> 00:44:07,290
Speaker 4: Words, terminology, approach when it comes to me. And I

1030
00:44:07,310 --> 00:44:09,010
Speaker 4: have to just think of it as a cultural difference

1031
00:44:09,310 --> 00:44:11,129
Speaker 4: and go on and love y'all anyway. I'm not trying

1032
00:44:11,150 --> 00:44:13,410
Speaker 4: to hear that shit, like, at all. Like, those are

1033
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:16,450
Speaker 4: conversations that I wish made it to air that got cut,

1034
00:44:16,770 --> 00:44:19,989
Speaker 4: of course. And in those instances, though, I was just like, okay.

1035
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: I can only do this, but for so long, it's

1036
00:44:22,500 --> 00:44:24,860
Speaker 4: a great learning experience. But I got to get to

1037
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:26,500
Speaker 4: a point where I built a platform in the name

1038
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 4: enough where, nah, we're going to have these conversations we're

1039
00:44:29,420 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 4: going to really have, and I'm going to be able

1040
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,390
Speaker 4: to call it out afterward and not be in fear

1041
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 4: of what might happen to me if I do it.

1042
00:44:36,810 --> 00:44:41,450
Speaker 1: Child, listen. I couldn't do it. I worked a corporate job,

1043
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:44,450
Speaker 1: and one of my biggest things was being able to

1044
00:44:44,530 --> 00:44:47,310
Speaker 1: do something where I can be myself. That's the podcast world.

1045
00:44:47,350 --> 00:44:47,469
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1046
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:48,180
Speaker 4: Right.

1047
00:44:48,469 --> 00:44:50,930
Speaker 1: But I've definitely been the only black girl. That's why

1048
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:53,529
Speaker 1: my ass got laid off because I'm the youngest, no

1049
00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:56,210
Speaker 1: kids and black. They get your ass up out of here.

1050
00:44:56,730 --> 00:44:59,549
Speaker 1: So I definitely understand. I couldn't do it because I

1051
00:44:59,750 --> 00:45:01,450
Speaker 1: was I was plotting on beating people up in the

1052
00:45:01,469 --> 00:45:02,710
Speaker 1: garage after work plenty days.

1053
00:45:04,450 --> 00:45:07,170
Speaker 4: I was able to be myself, though. It just was like.

1054
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:09,890
Speaker 1: No, I've never not been myself. That's the problem.

1055
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:11,509
Speaker 4: When you can't.

1056
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:13,830
Speaker 1: No code switching. So you be yourself. You show up

1057
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:15,850
Speaker 1: and you make it to places. You can make it

1058
00:45:15,989 --> 00:45:17,690
Speaker 1: where you want to be at being yourself for sure.

1059
00:45:19,770 --> 00:45:21,830
Speaker 4: That though at first I was raised that way but

1060
00:45:21,850 --> 00:45:23,509
Speaker 4: I didn't know that like I was raised to like

1061
00:45:23,550 --> 00:45:25,140
Speaker 4: nah you get in the room you say what you

1062
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 4: said like you don't ever sit in the room and

1063
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 4: don't say nothing but the more that I started to

1064
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 4: work in these mainstream media spaces it's just like you

1065
00:45:31,780 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 4: don't say that and then I come from fashion fashion

1066
00:45:34,739 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: couture fashion you don't say shit about nothing so I

1067
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:41,290
Speaker 4: was trained to like get on and get along like

1068
00:45:41,330 --> 00:45:43,250
Speaker 4: you know what I mean like eventually by the world

1069
00:45:43,290 --> 00:45:45,910
Speaker 4: like the world will break especially black women the world

1070
00:45:45,930 --> 00:45:47,790
Speaker 4: gonna teach try and remind you every day of why

1071
00:45:47,810 --> 00:45:50,390
Speaker 4: you gotta like Shut up and assimilate.

1072
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:54,050
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I found that interview you just did recently

1073
00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: with Vivica Fox. Interesting. Speaking about like going along to

1074
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: get along because you touched on the Taraji P. Henson

1075
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:05,340
Speaker 1: thing with Vivica Fox. You know, everybody saw Vivica Fox

1076
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,140
Speaker 1: reaction to what Taraji P. Henson was exclaiming about the

1077
00:46:09,219 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: industry and not being paid what you're worth, blah, blah, blah.

1078
00:46:12,260 --> 00:46:14,979
Speaker 1: And Vivica Fox says she didn't experience or didn't doesn't

1079
00:46:15,020 --> 00:46:18,330
Speaker 1: have that same experience. And then in the interview with you,

1080
00:46:18,450 --> 00:46:20,530
Speaker 1: she was talking about like how this is a business

1081
00:46:20,590 --> 00:46:23,649
Speaker 1: of relationships. I agree. Relationships is worth more than money.

1082
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:27,490
Speaker 1: So once you start burning bridges, you know, TMZ could

1083
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: be a bridge that you didn't give a fuck about burning. OK,

1084
00:46:30,500 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: but depending on what you're trying to do in the industry,

1085
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: you have to maintain relationships.

1086
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: Right.

1087
00:46:36,140 --> 00:46:38,830
Speaker 1: So do you think that she I don't want. you

1088
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:40,540
Speaker 1: was in her house doing interviews. So I don't know

1089
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: what type of relationship.

1090
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: I have a question.

1091
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:45,219
Speaker 3: Do you think, right.

1092
00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: Do you think she is one of the, like, There's

1093
00:46:48,580 --> 00:46:51,020
Speaker 1: no way you didn't understand as Vivica Fox.

1094
00:46:51,060 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 4: Are you asking me if I think she's a get.

1095
00:46:52,580 --> 00:46:55,140
Speaker 1: Along, get along type person?

1096
00:46:55,260 --> 00:46:57,290
Speaker 4: I don't, I don't think that. I don't think that.

1097
00:46:57,550 --> 00:47:00,029
Speaker 4: I think that because me and her, we had a

1098
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:04,110
Speaker 4: conversation prior to that interview because, and wait, I just

1099
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:06,670
Speaker 4: want to say when it comes to TMZ, I ain't

1100
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:08,589
Speaker 4: done nothing that, like I have not done or said

1101
00:47:08,610 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: anything that I have not done or said to her.

1102
00:47:11,070 --> 00:47:13,090
Speaker 4: to them and while I was with them so I

1103
00:47:13,110 --> 00:47:14,620
Speaker 4: don't believe that a bridge is burned they do get

1104
00:47:14,660 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 4: a little emotionally upset when you leave because they want

1105
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 4: you to stay there but you know that'll be fine

1106
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 4: but when it comes to Vivica Fox like me and

1107
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,580
Speaker 4: her had a really great like even though that was

1108
00:47:27,620 --> 00:47:31,730
Speaker 4: my first time meeting her that like personally I felt

1109
00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:33,890
Speaker 4: like I was in the home of a big sister.

1110
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:36,670
Speaker 4: We had a really good big sister, little sis conversation about,

1111
00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:40,150
Speaker 4: you know, her life, her career, dealing with the controversy

1112
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:42,290
Speaker 4: of like just everything. I was telling her how new

1113
00:47:42,310 --> 00:47:43,730
Speaker 4: it was for me to be on a platform like

1114
00:47:43,770 --> 00:47:46,950
Speaker 4: the Breakfast Club and like the tax is strict to you.

1115
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:50,030
Speaker 4: The reviews, everything, you know, is different when you're behind

1116
00:47:50,090 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 4: a brand like a TMZ. And she kind of, you know,

1117
00:47:52,469 --> 00:47:55,100
Speaker 4: we talked about that. And then I asked her, you know,

1118
00:47:55,180 --> 00:47:57,739
Speaker 4: do you want to talk about the Taraji stuff? Because

1119
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 4: I didn't want to make her uncomfortable because of the

1120
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 4: respect that I have for her. And the conversation that

1121
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 4: we had around it prior to, I think that I

1122
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: got a chance to understand her a little bit differently

1123
00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:09,739
Speaker 4: than the people that just watch these clips. And the

1124
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 4: way that I felt walking away from it is not

1125
00:48:11,620 --> 00:48:13,660
Speaker 4: that she's just happy to be somewhere, happy to be working.

1126
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: But number one, she came from a different time. Like

1127
00:48:15,980 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: when I looked at the career that she had during

1128
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 4: the time that Vivica Fox was the girl, there was

1129
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,660
Speaker 4: just her and maybe like Halle Berry. Like there weren't,

1130
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: like there weren't, I don't think, I can't, But I

1131
00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 4: believe Vivica Fox is a little bit older than you though, correct?

1132
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 3: Maybe at the same age. Maybe a little bit older.

1133
00:48:39,060 --> 00:48:42,170
Speaker 4: Okay. So for me, when I saw that, I remember

1134
00:48:42,290 --> 00:48:44,670
Speaker 4: asking her like, do you feel like your experience was

1135
00:48:44,710 --> 00:48:47,469
Speaker 4: something that was a little bit different because the time

1136
00:48:47,489 --> 00:48:50,180
Speaker 4: that you came along is kind of like you were

1137
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,070
Speaker 4: the go-to for so much stuff. So you had a

1138
00:48:52,090 --> 00:48:54,950
Speaker 4: little bit more different leverage. And then also too, on

1139
00:48:54,989 --> 00:48:56,589
Speaker 4: top of that, I think that we have a little bit,

1140
00:48:57,090 --> 00:48:58,969
Speaker 4: a lot of bit more of a privilege to be

1141
00:48:59,050 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 4: able to see, like she might've thought she was leveraging

1142
00:49:01,860 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 4: her situation and maybe it worked out for her for

1143
00:49:04,700 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 4: what she needed. But I think now we get a

1144
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:09,580
Speaker 4: chance to really see what leverage looks like for real,

1145
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: for real. And we trying to run it up differently.

1146
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:16,950
Speaker 4: And Taraji is a part of a different world of like, nah,

1147
00:49:16,989 --> 00:49:18,410
Speaker 4: you going to give me what you're supposed to give me.

1148
00:49:18,550 --> 00:49:19,969
Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing when you talk

1149
00:49:19,989 --> 00:49:22,290
Speaker 4: to your grandmother about your career decisions versus your mom

1150
00:49:22,330 --> 00:49:24,570
Speaker 4: or versus your sister. And I, cause for me, I

1151
00:49:24,590 --> 00:49:26,859
Speaker 4: would never describe, and I'm not, I don't, I'm not

1152
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,259
Speaker 4: doing this to age Vivica, but the older black women

1153
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 4: in my family, I would never describe those women as

1154
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:35,370
Speaker 4: like they sit down and they shut up and they

1155
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 4: do whatever needs to be done because they're strong women. They,

1156
00:49:38,100 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: they've been through things. They put things on their back.

1157
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:43,500
Speaker 4: They've done the work, but their way of we talk

1158
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,580
Speaker 4: back was different. And that's how I look at her.

1159
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:45,859
Speaker 3: Right.

1160
00:49:46,060 --> 00:49:49,310
Speaker 4: So like when she said, I didn't go in like,

1161
00:49:49,330 --> 00:49:51,509
Speaker 4: you know, maybe do it the way that Siraji did

1162
00:49:51,550 --> 00:49:54,270
Speaker 4: by talking about things or whatever. I caught my team.

1163
00:49:54,350 --> 00:49:55,910
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I see.

1164
00:49:56,110 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 4: Whatever. Right. I think that it's just, it's a very

1165
00:49:59,739 --> 00:50:01,860
Speaker 4: sensitive topic, right? Because you have people who are emotionally

1166
00:50:01,900 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 4: tied to what Taraji is doing. We've watched her forever.

1167
00:50:04,060 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 4: We love her forever. And a lot of us go

1168
00:50:05,219 --> 00:50:08,069
Speaker 4: through the same stuff. But I think that it's one

1169
00:50:08,090 --> 00:50:10,210
Speaker 4: of those conversations where you have to realize that like

1170
00:50:10,330 --> 00:50:12,820
Speaker 4: everybody has a different place in the fight. Vivica Fox

1171
00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 4: doesn't have to be the voice, the Martin Luther King

1172
00:50:15,620 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 4: of it, right? She could be the person that's sitting

1173
00:50:17,660 --> 00:50:19,529
Speaker 4: at home that you call for the bail money when

1174
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:21,509
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King, you know, is writing that letter from

1175
00:50:21,530 --> 00:50:23,989
Speaker 4: Birmingham jail. And I'm not trying to say that she's

1176
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:25,990
Speaker 4: Martin Luther King or anything like that for the people listening,

1177
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:28,430
Speaker 4: but all I'm saying is that when I talk to her,

1178
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:31,180
Speaker 4: from what I took from it is... just because she

1179
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,180
Speaker 4: didn't do it the same way or she doesn't say

1180
00:50:33,219 --> 00:50:35,500
Speaker 4: that's my experience it doesn't mean that she didn't have

1181
00:50:35,700 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 4: an experience of some sort that she had to sort

1182
00:50:38,060 --> 00:50:40,180
Speaker 4: out figure out and that changed things for the Taraji

1183
00:50:40,219 --> 00:50:42,069
Speaker 4: to come I don't think that she did a good

1184
00:50:42,090 --> 00:50:45,050
Speaker 4: job of saying that and I want to be very

1185
00:50:45,110 --> 00:50:47,950
Speaker 4: honest in saying that her biggest thing with me in

1186
00:50:47,969 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 4: that conversation about that topic was she wanted to protect

1187
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 4: Taraji she didn't want to talk too much about it

1188
00:50:54,780 --> 00:50:57,850
Speaker 4: because she felt like Seeing Taraji break down the way

1189
00:50:57,890 --> 00:51:00,130
Speaker 4: she did and then everything that came after that TMZ

1190
00:51:00,170 --> 00:51:02,609
Speaker 4: clip and how the world pinned them two against each other,

1191
00:51:03,070 --> 00:51:05,569
Speaker 4: she felt like she was, like, it piled on to

1192
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:08,230
Speaker 4: whatever Taraji is obviously going through. And she said to me,

1193
00:51:08,270 --> 00:51:10,420
Speaker 4: she's been through enough. I don't want to pile on.

1194
00:51:10,860 --> 00:51:13,570
Speaker 4: Our experiences are different. So... It was kind of disheartening

1195
00:51:13,590 --> 00:51:15,660
Speaker 4: for people to not get that through the interview. But

1196
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:18,500
Speaker 4: I also feel like, to people's defense, I don't think

1197
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,460
Speaker 4: she really gave it all of the color I just

1198
00:51:21,500 --> 00:51:23,700
Speaker 4: gave y'all. And I wish she would have, but that

1199
00:51:23,739 --> 00:51:25,820
Speaker 4: was her choice not to. But I don't look at

1200
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:29,930
Speaker 4: her that way. Nothing about, baby, Miss Vivica A. Fox,

1201
00:51:29,969 --> 00:51:33,290
Speaker 4: nothing about her. Have y'all ever met her in person?

1202
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:36,370
Speaker 4: She is queen when you talk about it. Y'all need

1203
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:38,709
Speaker 4: to have her on here. She's like, you not getting

1204
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:43,509
Speaker 4: around her. I promise you, she's very strongly... not just

1205
00:51:43,550 --> 00:51:46,350
Speaker 4: happy to be anywhere. You're happy to have her like that.

1206
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:49,290
Speaker 4: And everything about her exudes that, you know, the way

1207
00:51:49,330 --> 00:51:51,730
Speaker 4: we were brought up where it's like, baby, I am woman.

1208
00:51:51,870 --> 00:51:52,290
Speaker 4: Like who?

1209
00:51:53,290 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: God, God, I get that energy from her.

1210
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,900
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Yeah.

1211
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 4: So I think, so no, to answer your question, I

1212
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,500
Speaker 4: don't think that about her. I think that people are

1213
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,180
Speaker 4: picking it up that way. I also think people like

1214
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,620
Speaker 4: to just fuck with her as well too. Cause she

1215
00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:07,500
Speaker 4: gives y'all, y'all can't sit with me. So people love

1216
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:10,219
Speaker 4: to remind her, like now we sit next to you. Right. Right.

1217
00:52:11,110 --> 00:52:12,790
Speaker 2: And then she was, it looked like she was going

1218
00:52:12,810 --> 00:52:15,730
Speaker 2: through airport security or something when they were asking these questions.

1219
00:52:15,770 --> 00:52:17,410
Speaker 2: It wasn't like she had a lot of time to

1220
00:52:17,469 --> 00:52:20,569
Speaker 2: explain herself. I felt like it wasn't, you know, she was.

1221
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: She didn't.

1222
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:23,029
Speaker 4: I mean, those clips are quick. Like you get a

1223
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,339
Speaker 4: TMZ clip, you get a good two minutes, two minutes, 50,

1224
00:52:25,340 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 4: depending on what you're saying. She's signing autographs coming out

1225
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: of the building. They clip quick clips, but I don't

1226
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,779
Speaker 4: think that the world really gets to feel what she's

1227
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,690
Speaker 4: trying to say. Cause she's not going in depth about it,

1228
00:52:34,700 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 4: which for me is like, that's just going to make

1229
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,690
Speaker 4: it worse. But I don't know. I hope that my

1230
00:52:38,710 --> 00:52:39,810
Speaker 4: interview ain't make it even worse.

1231
00:52:40,050 --> 00:52:40,830
Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1232
00:52:41,090 --> 00:52:41,989
Speaker 1: It didn't.

1233
00:52:42,270 --> 00:52:42,650
Speaker 3: It didn't.

1234
00:52:44,550 --> 00:52:48,529
Speaker 1: The original TMZ at the airport. I really didn't. I

1235
00:52:48,550 --> 00:52:50,270
Speaker 1: didn't really feel any type of way about what she

1236
00:52:50,310 --> 00:52:53,540
Speaker 1: said then. But once I saw the interview with you,

1237
00:52:53,820 --> 00:52:57,140
Speaker 1: it gave a little bit of more definition. But like

1238
00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: you said, not enough. Like your explanation of the behind

1239
00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:03,700
Speaker 1: the scenes conversation was, Like, I definitely don't... I'm not

1240
00:53:03,739 --> 00:53:05,899
Speaker 1: calling her the op at all. I don't see that

1241
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:08,900
Speaker 1: Vivica Fox, that type of woman. I definitely think she

1242
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,190
Speaker 1: is for the people. But she was definitely trying to

1243
00:53:12,210 --> 00:53:12,750
Speaker 1: keep it cute.

1244
00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:16,750
Speaker 4: She was definitely trying to keep it cute. I think

1245
00:53:16,930 --> 00:53:19,730
Speaker 4: her keep it cute is like... I think it could

1246
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:21,700
Speaker 4: be a little detrimental. In my personal opinion, it could

1247
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,850
Speaker 4: be a little detrimental to her because... for her to

1248
00:53:23,890 --> 00:53:26,450
Speaker 4: be such a legend and an icon and to have, like,

1249
00:53:26,469 --> 00:53:28,469
Speaker 4: when I say, like, I was only there for but

1250
00:53:28,489 --> 00:53:30,810
Speaker 4: so much time, but I just felt like, wow, like,

1251
00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:32,870
Speaker 4: you know, she's a big sister in TV you need,

1252
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 4: for real, because she would have been in this shit, like, on, like,

1253
00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 4: a real high-level, best of the best, count her coins,

1254
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: get her money, and she's living peacefully right now. I

1255
00:53:43,580 --> 00:53:46,379
Speaker 4: think it does a disservice to, you know, like, just

1256
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,339
Speaker 4: our legacy as brown girls on our grind, and that's

1257
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:50,150
Speaker 4: what I want those conversations to be. That's why I'm

1258
00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:51,529
Speaker 4: so excited to be able to sit down with her,

1259
00:53:51,550 --> 00:53:53,870
Speaker 4: because I don't think that there's, like, a place right

1260
00:53:53,890 --> 00:53:56,609
Speaker 4: now that gives us, like, that conversation of, like, nah,

1261
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:58,069
Speaker 4: that's your big sis for real. Like, if I'm going

1262
00:53:58,110 --> 00:53:59,549
Speaker 4: to be honest, it might hurt you a little bit.

1263
00:54:00,070 --> 00:54:02,259
Speaker 4: And when I was at Breakfast Club, for some reason,

1264
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:03,940
Speaker 4: I felt like I kept getting thrown into those type

1265
00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 4: of conversations. And I was learning so much about myself

1266
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: in them. Like, when we did the Ebony Kid, when

1267
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 4: we did the Carrie Champion, when we did, you know, like,

1268
00:54:10,940 --> 00:54:13,990
Speaker 4: so many other conversations, I was like, I like this space.

1269
00:54:14,170 --> 00:54:15,989
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of people need to hear this. Like,

1270
00:54:16,010 --> 00:54:20,750
Speaker 4: for real, for real. People need these, like, chokehold conversations

1271
00:54:20,790 --> 00:54:21,069
Speaker 4: for real.

1272
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:26,540
Speaker 3: So I have a question.

1273
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:26,799
Speaker 4: All right.

1274
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,100
Speaker 2: Vivica was at one point at the height of her career, honestly,

1275
00:54:31,140 --> 00:54:33,819
Speaker 2: she was dating 50 Cent. And people said that like

1276
00:54:33,860 --> 00:54:36,259
Speaker 2: that affected her brand in a negative way. And then

1277
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,100
Speaker 2: we know that Carisha was connected to Diddy and she's

1278
00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:42,069
Speaker 2: kind of been quiet. Do you feel like the man

1279
00:54:42,090 --> 00:54:45,330
Speaker 2: that you're connected to can diminish your brand if shit

1280
00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:45,950
Speaker 2: goes south?

1281
00:54:47,690 --> 00:54:51,100
Speaker 4: A hundred percent. A hundred percent, because as successful as

1282
00:54:51,540 --> 00:54:54,549
Speaker 4: Vivica Fox was and as iconic and legendary as she

1283
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:57,390
Speaker 4: is now, y'all remember when Cuban Link, 50 Cent's girlfriend,

1284
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:58,990
Speaker 4: came out and tried to play with her a little

1285
00:54:59,010 --> 00:55:02,150
Speaker 4: bit and the world had to remind the world, like, no,

1286
00:55:02,170 --> 00:55:04,330
Speaker 4: this is Vivica Fox. Stop playing. She had a career

1287
00:55:04,350 --> 00:55:07,529
Speaker 4: for real. She's not just somebody's girlfriend. That is a

1288
00:55:07,570 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: perfect example of, yes, that can happen, because how would

1289
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 4: you ever even allow Vivica Fox to be put in

1290
00:55:13,380 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 4: that conversation of, oh, you was just his past girlfriend.

1291
00:55:16,620 --> 00:55:20,109
Speaker 4: I'm here now. But when you're a woman and you're

1292
00:55:20,130 --> 00:55:22,650
Speaker 4: attractive and you're doing all these things, I don't know

1293
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 4: what it is, but, like, when you attach to a man,

1294
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: it overshadows so much. And it can lift you up

1295
00:55:27,420 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: and put you in certain conversations and, you know, Carisha

1296
00:55:30,700 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 4: Diddy at the Met Gala and all that fine stuff.

1297
00:55:33,620 --> 00:55:37,690
Speaker 4: But at the same time, disattaching the wrong way. Every

1298
00:55:37,710 --> 00:55:39,569
Speaker 4: time she speaks about 50, they're like, oh, my God,

1299
00:55:39,610 --> 00:55:41,610
Speaker 4: here she go again. She's miserable. She wants him back.

1300
00:55:42,010 --> 00:55:43,989
Speaker 4: And it's like, no, she's doing the same thing 50 do. Absolutely.

1301
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 4: She knows that putting... Her show and the conversation with

1302
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 4: his show, it's marketing. But she gets the bitter ex-girlfriend.

1303
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,989
Speaker 4: 56 gets marketing genius, like 100%. And it makes it

1304
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:56,190
Speaker 4: tough when you're trying to date. Because people be like,

1305
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:57,810
Speaker 4: I get told right now so much, oh, you need

1306
00:55:57,830 --> 00:56:01,850
Speaker 4: to have a celebrity relationship. And I'm like, I mean.

1307
00:56:01,950 --> 00:56:02,790
Speaker 1: I like real niggas.

1308
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah. That's number one. And they be weird. The celebrity

1309
00:56:07,660 --> 00:56:10,090
Speaker 4: people be weird. They don't be like the real for real.

1310
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:12,270
Speaker 4: But then also too, it's like, even if I did

1311
00:56:12,310 --> 00:56:14,589
Speaker 4: like a celebrity enough to do it or, you know,

1312
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:18,350
Speaker 4: just whatever, I'm always nervous about how that will affect me.

1313
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:20,870
Speaker 4: I don't want to just be someone's girlfriend. I hate that.

1314
00:56:20,930 --> 00:56:22,630
Speaker 4: And she, she talked about that too. She didn't go

1315
00:56:22,650 --> 00:56:25,110
Speaker 4: into detail in the interview, but Vivica Fox was talking

1316
00:56:25,150 --> 00:56:27,609
Speaker 4: about how she had to literally take a step away

1317
00:56:27,630 --> 00:56:30,109
Speaker 4: from Hollywood at the height of her career to and

1318
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,540
Speaker 4: rebrand herself again and remind people I'm a serious actress.

1319
00:56:34,580 --> 00:56:36,339
Speaker 4: She had to go to theater. She had to go

1320
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:38,779
Speaker 4: back to her roots of us, the Black people who

1321
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 4: had been supporting her forever and go back to theater

1322
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 4: and sell out shows and get agents and different people

1323
00:56:43,540 --> 00:56:45,420
Speaker 4: to come to those shows because all people wanted to

1324
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 4: talk to her about was her love life, who she

1325
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 4: was fucking and who she was dealing with. And because

1326
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:54,009
Speaker 4: she had played the cute, sexy, powerful girlfriend and, you know,

1327
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:56,750
Speaker 4: all that for so long that that's where she lived

1328
00:56:56,830 --> 00:56:58,270
Speaker 4: and she didn't like it and she knew she could

1329
00:56:58,290 --> 00:57:00,149
Speaker 4: do way more but she had to fight all over

1330
00:57:00,170 --> 00:57:03,130
Speaker 4: again to regain it. Men don't go through that. Michael B.

1331
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:04,890
Speaker 4: Jordan ain't had to go back to theater since.

1332
00:57:04,750 --> 00:57:07,870
Speaker 1: We were young. Why do y'all think that is, though?

1333
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:09,950
Speaker 1: Why do y'all think that happened to Vivica Fox in

1334
00:57:09,969 --> 00:57:12,260
Speaker 1: that way? Because, I mean, we talking about 50 Cent.

1335
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:16,540
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about, like, some rinky-dink-ass dude. So, why

1336
00:57:16,580 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: do y'all think that even happened to her? Like, why

1337
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,970
Speaker 1: did her career, like, seemingly dwindle some after her relationship

1338
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:26,660
Speaker 1: with 50 Cent I don't understand it was.

1339
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,620
Speaker 2: That moment when she was on stage when it was

1340
00:57:28,660 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: an award show and 50 Cent was performing and Vivica

1341
00:57:31,460 --> 00:57:33,300
Speaker 2: was up there with them little shorts on as a

1342
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:36,180
Speaker 2: pretty much a background dancer for 50 Cent I think

1343
00:57:36,220 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: that was when all the shit changed for her honestly

1344
00:57:40,250 --> 00:57:42,510
Speaker 2: yeah it's been a lot of stuff about that relationship

1345
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:43,810
Speaker 2: that I didn't really I guess.

1346
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:45,570
Speaker 4: Because I was like younger I didn't pay attention to

1347
00:57:45,590 --> 00:57:47,740
Speaker 4: but like it was something like she like when they

1348
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 4: when she wanted like to talk to him um like

1349
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: I guess when she was shooting her shot she like

1350
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:54,060
Speaker 4: showed up at his house or something like that to

1351
00:57:54,100 --> 00:57:56,380
Speaker 4: like there was like a couple different.

1352
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: Things so she has 10 years older than him also

1353
00:57:59,430 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 1: yeah and so I.

1354
00:58:00,410 --> 00:58:03,610
Speaker 4: Think maybe it was the maybe the approach but in

1355
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:06,430
Speaker 4: my opinion I feel like the world loves to put

1356
00:58:06,490 --> 00:58:10,770
Speaker 4: black women in this space of like reminding us you

1357
00:58:10,830 --> 00:58:13,710
Speaker 4: like don't forget okay all the.

1358
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: Time this is all cute you're doing good but not

1359
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,420
Speaker 1: too much not too much okay remember you need us

1360
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: we don't need you and with black men even though

1361
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: black men go through what they go through i had

1362
00:58:25,940 --> 00:58:28,570
Speaker 1: this argument all the time with black men about black

1363
00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:31,590
Speaker 1: men have a certain it's it's like even though the

1364
00:58:31,630 --> 00:58:34,190
Speaker 1: world perceives them a certain way and you know.

1365
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:36,510
Speaker 4: They can't be looked at as aggressive they love them

1366
00:58:36,550 --> 00:58:40,050
Speaker 4: or whatever whatever If you are a black man with

1367
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:42,670
Speaker 4: power and money and influence and you look good.

1368
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:45,330
Speaker 1: The white people lend to you.

1369
00:58:46,070 --> 00:58:49,570
Speaker 4: Even though they're trying to control you with puppet strings,

1370
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 4: they lend to you a little bit different than they

1371
00:58:51,100 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: do a black woman. As a black woman, if you

1372
00:58:52,860 --> 00:58:56,260
Speaker 4: look good and you're powerful, you can't do one.

1373
00:58:56,180 --> 00:58:56,500
Speaker 3: Of the two.

1374
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 4: You can't actually be talented and be fire and look

1375
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,350
Speaker 4: good and smart and be dating somebody pop and it's like,

1376
00:59:03,350 --> 00:59:07,110
Speaker 4: oh no, that's just his girlfriend. right like that's just

1377
00:59:07,130 --> 00:59:07,610
Speaker 4: all it is.

1378
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:12,610
Speaker 1: I seen some white people on X called Meghan Markle

1379
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:18,300
Speaker 1: lazy I'm like what like what constitute her being lazy

1380
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: because she's a mulatto mixed black woman like what what

1381
00:59:22,340 --> 00:59:26,260
Speaker 1: did she do to be lazy to y'all She's the fucking,

1382
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: she's royalty at this point.

1383
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,900
Speaker 4: She's from where she's from. That's why it's.

1384
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:32,940
Speaker 1: Like, she doesn't deserve.

1385
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 4: To be a royal. She just lays on her back

1386
00:59:34,940 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 4: and be with that man. And that's her career. And

1387
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:39,020
Speaker 4: that's her life. So what? Yes.

1388
00:59:39,060 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: Like what's she.

1389
00:59:39,740 --> 00:59:43,890
Speaker 4: Supposed to be doing? Because the real housewives of New York,

1390
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:45,850
Speaker 4: don't white women is living great.

1391
00:59:47,090 --> 00:59:48,030
Speaker 1: And all a fraud.

1392
00:59:48,130 --> 00:59:48,370
Speaker 4: Okay.

1393
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:48,970
Speaker 1: Let's be clear.

1394
00:59:50,210 --> 00:59:50,450
Speaker 4: Anyway.

1395
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: So in a world where like my truth is, I

1396
00:59:53,820 --> 00:59:55,940
Speaker 1: talk about this all the time. My truth, this, my truth,

1397
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,180
Speaker 1: like everybody's truth is the truth. Like how important is

1398
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,990
Speaker 1: it to you as a journalist? Because even with just

1399
01:00:02,030 --> 01:00:05,310
Speaker 1: a podcast, like we are essentially journalists. How important is

1400
01:00:05,370 --> 01:00:08,890
Speaker 1: it to you to make sure that you're being, that

1401
01:00:08,910 --> 01:00:10,810
Speaker 1: you're reporting the truth?

1402
01:00:12,790 --> 01:00:16,190
Speaker 4: Oh, it's all like, it's that or nothing for me.

1403
01:00:17,180 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 4: Even now, so like with Brown Girl Grinding, we do

1404
01:00:19,260 --> 01:00:23,340
Speaker 4: a lot of content that causes engagement and conversations. And

1405
01:00:23,820 --> 01:00:26,530
Speaker 4: our biggest exclusive that we're going to really hone in

1406
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:29,350
Speaker 4: and focus in on this year are the interviews. Because

1407
01:00:29,390 --> 01:00:32,110
Speaker 4: I just feel like it gives a different voice to

1408
01:00:32,170 --> 01:00:35,390
Speaker 4: news than just me posting a tweet or whatever. But

1409
01:00:35,450 --> 01:00:38,210
Speaker 4: if I'm following a story... The way that I've been

1410
01:00:38,330 --> 01:00:41,300
Speaker 4: brought up in this through my bootcamp at TMZ, oh,

1411
01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 4: it's factual or I'm not even touching it. There are

1412
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 4: certain things that people will reach out to me and

1413
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,620
Speaker 4: be like, oh, why you not talking about this? Why

1414
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 4: you not covering it? Unless I'm about to do something opinion-based.

1415
01:00:49,060 --> 01:00:51,220
Speaker 4: And I think some stuff doesn't deserve an opinion. Some

1416
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,980
Speaker 4: stuff deserves facts, factual review. I'm not touching it because

1417
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,950
Speaker 4: as a journalist, like who's really doing this, that's all

1418
01:00:58,030 --> 01:00:59,910
Speaker 4: I have is the fact that you'll be able to

1419
01:00:59,990 --> 01:01:02,660
Speaker 4: fact check what I said. And it's true. But also

1420
01:01:03,290 --> 01:01:05,310
Speaker 4: just in like, if you look at a TMZ and

1421
01:01:05,330 --> 01:01:07,930
Speaker 4: the business model there, they have built their brand and

1422
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:12,570
Speaker 4: you can't get around them because it's truthful. It's vetted.

1423
01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:14,950
Speaker 4: And they're the first to tell you about it. So

1424
01:01:14,990 --> 01:01:18,030
Speaker 4: now you go to them knowing you trust them. All

1425
01:01:18,130 --> 01:01:21,470
Speaker 4: I have as a journalist, like right now I'm literally

1426
01:01:21,530 --> 01:01:24,959
Speaker 4: working for myself. Like I am every single day getting

1427
01:01:25,020 --> 01:01:28,439
Speaker 4: up and doing something for myself that is causing income, conversation,

1428
01:01:28,500 --> 01:01:31,020
Speaker 4: brand building, whatever, a hundred percent. I don't work for

1429
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,630
Speaker 4: anyone but myself, even when I work with other brands.

1430
01:01:34,290 --> 01:01:36,350
Speaker 4: It's a new space for me. But at the end

1431
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 4: of the day, I want to be a person that

1432
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:40,540
Speaker 4: people look at and they trust and they're like, oh,

1433
01:01:40,540 --> 01:01:42,900
Speaker 4: she's talking about it. It's something to pay attention to.

1434
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: If she's putting facts out for the first time, we

1435
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,350
Speaker 4: can trust what she's saying. The minute that you do

1436
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:50,630
Speaker 4: that and it's not truthful or you plan around with

1437
01:01:50,650 --> 01:01:53,570
Speaker 4: your platform from the world that I'm trying to build in,

1438
01:01:54,070 --> 01:01:56,330
Speaker 4: people can't, like, we don't even know where to go now. Like,

1439
01:01:56,350 --> 01:01:57,490
Speaker 4: we don't know if it's vetted. We don't know if

1440
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:59,550
Speaker 4: it's real. And there's so much bullshit and fake stuff

1441
01:01:59,610 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 4: on the internet too. And because I'm solely, I'm just

1442
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 4: social media based. Like, I don't have a website. I

1443
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,650
Speaker 4: don't have my own TV show yet. So all I

1444
01:02:07,690 --> 01:02:10,270
Speaker 4: had is to be like that one person in the

1445
01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:12,700
Speaker 4: world of all this noise that can bring you some

1446
01:02:12,740 --> 01:02:16,220
Speaker 4: truth and some insight and some in-depth conversations. That's where

1447
01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:20,780
Speaker 4: I'm leaning with it. So it's 100%. It's truthful, factual, fact-checking,

1448
01:02:20,900 --> 01:02:21,750
Speaker 4: or nothing at all.

1449
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: So all your feelings are out when you're reporting on

1450
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: the news. It's nothing personal ever.

1451
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:30,670
Speaker 4: No, that's not always true because I'm human. So you

1452
01:02:30,690 --> 01:02:32,370
Speaker 4: would you want it to be that way when you're

1453
01:02:32,390 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 4: reporting certain things. But because you're human, you're your human

1454
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,940
Speaker 4: bias is always going to come in to a certain extent.

1455
01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:41,340
Speaker 4: I do try and be as neutral as I can.

1456
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 4: And I'm learning to be better at that because I

1457
01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:45,830
Speaker 4: think a lot of times when I do lead with emotion,

1458
01:02:45,870 --> 01:02:48,770
Speaker 4: depending on what it is, it's because I feel like

1459
01:02:48,850 --> 01:02:50,490
Speaker 4: a lot of times I'm speaking for people that might

1460
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:52,340
Speaker 4: not ever get the seat that I'm in. Like you

1461
01:02:52,380 --> 01:02:54,500
Speaker 4: might not get to talk to Ebony K or you

1462
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,340
Speaker 4: might not get to talk to a Vivica Fox or

1463
01:02:56,830 --> 01:02:59,810
Speaker 4: you might not, you know, get to, if there's like, I,

1464
01:03:00,670 --> 01:03:02,370
Speaker 4: I forget which school shooting it was. That's so sad

1465
01:03:02,390 --> 01:03:05,290
Speaker 4: that there's so many of them, but probably like a month,

1466
01:03:05,370 --> 01:03:07,190
Speaker 4: like two months ago, there was a school shooting that

1467
01:03:07,230 --> 01:03:10,110
Speaker 4: happened and I was going back and forth with law

1468
01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:13,420
Speaker 4: enforcement sources, just, you know, reporting things as they were

1469
01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 4: coming out. And I remember one of the public information

1470
01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:18,959
Speaker 4: officers called me and was like, what platform are you with?

1471
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:21,100
Speaker 4: And I was like my own brown girl grinding. And

1472
01:03:21,140 --> 01:03:23,470
Speaker 4: he was like, you should be working somewhere. Like you're

1473
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:26,250
Speaker 4: so like on it. Like every single time they release something,

1474
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:28,750
Speaker 4: when I saw it somewhere else, if I didn't report

1475
01:03:28,790 --> 01:03:30,250
Speaker 4: it first, I called and said, Hey, I just want

1476
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:31,710
Speaker 4: to confirm this before I go with it. You know?

1477
01:03:32,070 --> 01:03:33,990
Speaker 4: And he was like, we really appreciate that because these

1478
01:03:34,070 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 4: families are impacted by the news and the media and

1479
01:03:36,860 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 4: people don't understand that. And that was like such a, like, okay,

1480
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 4: I got this, you know, like I could do this

1481
01:03:42,420 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 4: for me on my own because I removed myself from

1482
01:03:45,260 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 4: it and I was factual. But at the same time,

1483
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's like to lose a kid

1484
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,380
Speaker 4: to a school shooting, but in being sensitive to that,

1485
01:03:52,460 --> 01:03:53,700
Speaker 4: I do want to put a little emotion in it

1486
01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:55,140
Speaker 4: when I'm reported on it. But you just got to

1487
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,459
Speaker 4: know when the right time is. So like the Chris

1488
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 4: Brown reacting or me reacting to the Chris Brown situation

1489
01:04:01,540 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 4: that you brought up earlier, that's all me. That's all opinion.

1490
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:06,470
Speaker 4: That's my emotion. That's how I feel. But if I'm

1491
01:04:06,570 --> 01:04:09,620
Speaker 4: talking about something that is like an actual, you know,

1492
01:04:09,660 --> 01:04:11,390
Speaker 4: something that like the facts are there, I can't get

1493
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:13,030
Speaker 4: around it. And I'll make a, I might still give

1494
01:04:13,070 --> 01:04:15,910
Speaker 4: my opinion, but you'll know when the switch happens. Mm-hmm.

1495
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:19,220
Speaker 1: Like the only, don't, she said the only Taylor we

1496
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:26,180
Speaker 1: recognize is Taylor Port, bitch. I said, what? What Taylor? Y'all, y'all, y'all.

1497
01:04:26,260 --> 01:04:30,170
Speaker 3: I recognize our producer. Our producer Taylor.

1498
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:30,750
Speaker 4: Right.

1499
01:04:30,790 --> 01:04:32,780
Speaker 1: That's the only Taylor. Fun size T.

1500
01:04:32,770 --> 01:04:34,390
Speaker 4: Because black people want to act like we've been.

1501
01:04:34,330 --> 01:04:36,070
Speaker 1: On this Taylor for a long time.

1502
01:04:36,110 --> 01:04:36,910
Speaker 2: No, the hell we haven't.

1503
01:04:36,990 --> 01:04:37,590
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

1504
01:04:37,610 --> 01:04:39,950
Speaker 2: We don't shake it off in Taylor Port and that's it.

1505
01:04:40,750 --> 01:04:42,850
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna try to stop playing.

1506
01:04:43,250 --> 01:04:47,470
Speaker 1: Teleport is straight trash but you know.

1507
01:04:47,370 --> 01:04:49,670
Speaker 4: It though you done had a little sippy sip everybody

1508
01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:50,390
Speaker 4: has drank some.

1509
01:04:50,310 --> 01:04:52,930
Speaker 2: Teleport they got it at church I won't mess with

1510
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:53,790
Speaker 2: that shit.

1511
01:04:54,030 --> 01:04:56,250
Speaker 1: That's what y'all be getting at church during commune that

1512
01:04:56,270 --> 01:04:57,690
Speaker 1: damn teleport.

1513
01:04:58,350 --> 01:05:03,630
Speaker 4: I wish but even that though there was a lot

1514
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:06,030
Speaker 4: of factual stuff in the full video like I took

1515
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:08,990
Speaker 4: actual facts and reports or whatever but then you got

1516
01:05:09,030 --> 01:05:10,170
Speaker 4: you got you got your little.

1517
01:05:11,550 --> 01:05:17,550
Speaker 2: Yeah what do you do you consider yourself a millennial

1518
01:05:17,690 --> 01:05:20,790
Speaker 2: are you a millennial yes i don't even i don't

1519
01:05:20,810 --> 01:05:22,870
Speaker 2: know i guess yeah so when people be saying all

1520
01:05:22,890 --> 01:05:25,210
Speaker 2: that stuff i don't know how the age bracket.

1521
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:27,370
Speaker 3: Were you born before 97 yes i.

1522
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:32,290
Speaker 4: Was born in 91 yeah oh okay so yeah yeah

1523
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 4: she's definitely a millennial okay cool.

1524
01:05:36,820 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: So what do you believe are some of the most

1525
01:05:38,620 --> 01:05:46,090
Speaker 1: pressing issues facing millennials today? And how do you approach

1526
01:05:46,170 --> 01:05:48,790
Speaker 1: covering these issues in your reporting?

1527
01:05:50,890 --> 01:05:56,010
Speaker 4: I think race, gender wars, politics, but not just like

1528
01:05:57,030 --> 01:05:58,930
Speaker 4: making people go out and vote. I think making people

1529
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:59,890
Speaker 4: actually understand.

1530
01:05:59,910 --> 01:06:00,860
Speaker 1: What the fuck is going on?

1531
01:06:00,900 --> 01:06:03,919
Speaker 4: Like on a- Yeah, but what's going on and doing

1532
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 4: it in a bite-sized way as a person that, like,

1533
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,340
Speaker 4: I don't have a political background, but, like, I have

1534
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,790
Speaker 4: to go and vote. I have to know certain things

1535
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:16,090
Speaker 4: just to be a person, civil person in the world.

1536
01:06:17,150 --> 01:06:18,750
Speaker 4: So I think that that's, like, an issue, too, that there's, like,

1537
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:21,750
Speaker 4: a big fallout between all these smart people who know

1538
01:06:21,790 --> 01:06:24,530
Speaker 4: everything and can, like, get on CNN and be analysts and, like,

1539
01:06:24,550 --> 01:06:27,210
Speaker 4: the everyday person who really needs to go and vote

1540
01:06:27,230 --> 01:06:32,490
Speaker 4: for their prosecutor locally. Like, those things, I think... the

1541
01:06:32,530 --> 01:06:36,020
Speaker 4: world of like business and business, like creation and branding

1542
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,790
Speaker 4: is also like an issue with us. I don't really

1543
01:06:38,810 --> 01:06:40,870
Speaker 4: have too many friends who work regular jobs. All my

1544
01:06:40,910 --> 01:06:44,030
Speaker 4: friends are creatives or like own their own businesses. Even

1545
01:06:44,070 --> 01:06:46,750
Speaker 4: my friends who do work regular jobs, their regular jobs

1546
01:06:47,130 --> 01:06:49,610
Speaker 4: are requiring them to know what's going on in the

1547
01:06:49,690 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 4: pulse of creativity, especially if they black. If you black

1548
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:54,340
Speaker 4: and you working for these big corporations, baby, they want

1549
01:06:54,360 --> 01:06:57,400
Speaker 4: you to sing, rap, act, dance, do an Excel sheet

1550
01:06:57,420 --> 01:07:00,220
Speaker 4: with numbers, all of that. Yeah, social media, all of that.

1551
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,100
Speaker 4: So because you come in and you are the culture

1552
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:05,380
Speaker 4: in these rooms, So I think that that's also a

1553
01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:07,180
Speaker 4: big thing as well, too, is, like, us just understanding

1554
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:11,980
Speaker 4: and navigating, like, financially, like, as a business owner, where

1555
01:07:12,020 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 4: that can put you, being able to, like, partner with

1556
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,780
Speaker 4: these organizations. I guess that's called capitalism, like, us understanding

1557
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:19,050
Speaker 4: how we can use that to better ourselves. Because I

1558
01:07:19,090 --> 01:07:22,310
Speaker 4: think our generation of people are so, like, fuck the man.

1559
01:07:22,070 --> 01:07:24,650
Speaker 5: We don't fuck that job you know what I mean

1560
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:27,610
Speaker 5: I built my own table and yeah I want all

1561
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 5: of us to be building our own tables but the

1562
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 5: table gotta get bigger and it gotta scale in order

1563
01:07:32,100 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 5: for us.

1564
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 4: To really do this shit for real for real and

1565
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 4: we need a lot of us in those rooms that

1566
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 4: are like at the head of the LVMHs you know

1567
01:07:40,060 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 4: so I think that that's also something big and podcast

1568
01:07:43,460 --> 01:07:47,100
Speaker 4: mics with men I think that that's a big issue

1569
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 4: facing millennials as well so.

1570
01:07:50,900 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 1: Y'all saw that pose? These sound like gaslighting me. Toxic masculinity.

1571
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:15,220
Speaker 1: this is my last question this is in reference to

1572
01:08:15,260 --> 01:08:18,300
Speaker 1: like social media and because i've had a i read

1573
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: an article that said most millennials that you know they

1574
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: get 45 percent of their news from social media so

1575
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,549
Speaker 1: we have platforms like x for example which you know

1576
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:31,950
Speaker 1: there's a lot of independent journalists on x whether this

1577
01:08:31,970 --> 01:08:33,610
Speaker 1: should be true or not it's up for you to

1578
01:08:34,090 --> 01:08:36,810
Speaker 1: have discernment and decipher so how do you see the

1579
01:08:36,850 --> 01:08:40,570
Speaker 1: role of social media shaping modern journalism practices.

1580
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:43,830
Speaker 4: I talked about this at a panel I did during

1581
01:08:43,850 --> 01:08:46,150
Speaker 4: Grammy weekend. I think that it's going to make it where,

1582
01:08:46,189 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 4: you know how like the, I always think of myself

1583
01:08:48,540 --> 01:08:50,950
Speaker 4: as like a rap artist. Me too. You don't have

1584
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 4: no like mixtape or nothing. But just like in terms

1585
01:08:54,100 --> 01:08:56,009
Speaker 4: of career, the way that you have to position yourself

1586
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:59,309
Speaker 4: when you are talented, The way that social media is

1587
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 4: already changing news media, how people receive it is the

1588
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:06,540
Speaker 4: same way when people started stepping away from labels and saying,

1589
01:09:06,620 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 4: I want to be independent. I just want a distribution deal.

1590
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 4: It's literally going to be that eventually. But the issue

1591
01:09:13,340 --> 01:09:15,180
Speaker 4: is that you have all these people who are on

1592
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 4: social and they can tweet whatever they want, do whatever

1593
01:09:16,939 --> 01:09:19,820
Speaker 4: they want and present things as facts and it not

1594
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,809
Speaker 4: be fact. Right. Or it be an augmented fact.

1595
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:23,010
Speaker 1: Right.

1596
01:09:23,310 --> 01:09:27,010
Speaker 4: Through AI or through personal opinion, emotion, whatever. And a

1597
01:09:27,050 --> 01:09:29,160
Speaker 4: lot of times these people are not vetted journalists. They

1598
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 4: don't have the background to even understand how to check

1599
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 4: a source, how to... Like, you know, there's a lot

1600
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 4: that goes into this nuance of reporting news and being

1601
01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:39,379
Speaker 4: a news personality. And just a person that drives conversation

1602
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:42,760
Speaker 4: around culture in general. So I think what we're going

1603
01:09:42,780 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 4: to see is that eventually... the CNNs and all that stuff,

1604
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,180
Speaker 4: it's happening already. They're going to be trying to keep

1605
01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:51,820
Speaker 4: up with the people that become the faces and the

1606
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 4: names on the TikToks and the Twitters and the Instagrams

1607
01:09:55,860 --> 01:09:58,340
Speaker 4: and the, you know, like in that space, Don Lemon,

1608
01:09:58,420 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 4: who got fired from CNN, announced that he's doing the show,

1609
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:02,380
Speaker 4: but he's doing it on X.

1610
01:10:02,460 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson.

1611
01:10:04,700 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 4: Tucker Carlson. So many people have just, they X'd out

1612
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,700
Speaker 4: the middleman and they get the distribution through platforms and

1613
01:10:10,740 --> 01:10:13,820
Speaker 4: sponsors and advertising to make it bigger and to scale larger.

1614
01:10:13,850 --> 01:10:16,230
Speaker 4: So I think, That is going to become the new normal.

1615
01:10:16,530 --> 01:10:18,250
Speaker 4: And the people that are early on it are going

1616
01:10:18,270 --> 01:10:20,110
Speaker 4: to become the breakout voices. That was a big part

1617
01:10:20,130 --> 01:10:22,099
Speaker 4: of me leaving my job, just seeing that that was

1618
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:25,059
Speaker 4: a thing and knowing that I could do it. It's

1619
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 4: not easy. It is very tough because it takes a

1620
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:31,480
Speaker 4: lot of consistency. It takes a lot of finance as well.

1621
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,340
Speaker 4: You got to have a good partner, good backing. I'm

1622
01:10:34,380 --> 01:10:36,019
Speaker 4: looking for all that. If y'all out there and y'all like,

1623
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,420
Speaker 4: y'all fuck with her, I want to throw some dollars

1624
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,020
Speaker 4: my way to help this scale up. I'm going to

1625
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 4: grind this scale up. But I think that eventually it's

1626
01:10:43,060 --> 01:10:46,059
Speaker 4: going to be a rise of creators and content creators

1627
01:10:46,090 --> 01:10:49,090
Speaker 4: who are telling news and putting stuff into the world.

1628
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:51,310
Speaker 4: And it won't even be traditional. They won't just sit

1629
01:10:51,350 --> 01:10:53,889
Speaker 4: and report it. It's going to be so many different ways.

1630
01:10:54,150 --> 01:10:57,330
Speaker 4: And those platforms will be the go-to over like a

1631
01:10:57,390 --> 01:11:01,270
Speaker 4: TMZ or CNN or whatever. And the best platforms will

1632
01:11:01,310 --> 01:11:04,070
Speaker 4: see that and start to change and pivot. Like I

1633
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:06,689
Speaker 4: even noticed at TMZ since I left things that they're

1634
01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: doing differently. Like even the way that they're going, like

1635
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,179
Speaker 4: I knew leaving what I needed to do in order

1636
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 4: to be still keeping myself right next to them. Like

1637
01:11:14,060 --> 01:11:15,800
Speaker 4: I'm not as big of a platform, but they don't

1638
01:11:15,820 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 4: have my voice. They don't have, there's a lot that

1639
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 4: I knew I left with. So I used what I

1640
01:11:20,620 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 4: knew that they weren't doing to structure what I wanted

1641
01:11:23,420 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 4: to do so that I could still kind of, you know,

1642
01:11:25,020 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 4: be right there at it. But I'm like, oh, they

1643
01:11:27,300 --> 01:11:29,480
Speaker 4: waking up a little bit. Like, they hitting social media

1644
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,309
Speaker 4: as soon as the stories are publishing and, like, all

1645
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:33,830
Speaker 4: that stuff. They weren't social media first. They were website first.

1646
01:11:34,229 --> 01:11:36,530
Speaker 4: But the website's still there. So a lot of platforms

1647
01:11:36,570 --> 01:11:37,830
Speaker 4: are going to come around. But that's what it's going

1648
01:11:37,850 --> 01:11:40,310
Speaker 4: to be. Like, your lead news person is going to

1649
01:11:40,350 --> 01:11:44,689
Speaker 4: be such and such of X. And, you know, like,

1650
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:47,590
Speaker 4: what academics is doing, but, like, a more vetted version

1651
01:11:47,630 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 4: of it that you can really trust. And not just

1652
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,860
Speaker 4: him screaming at his phone at, like.

1653
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: Hiding out in his fucking basement somewhere.

1654
01:11:54,100 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1655
01:11:55,220 --> 01:11:55,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1656
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:57,950
Speaker 3: I got one more question for you, Lauren.

1657
01:11:58,370 --> 01:12:01,389
Speaker 2: What advice would you give someone, a young person trying

1658
01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:03,530
Speaker 2: to get into journalism and they're just starting out and

1659
01:12:03,550 --> 01:12:05,050
Speaker 2: they're afraid and they don't know what to do?

1660
01:12:05,229 --> 01:12:06,189
Speaker 3: What advice would you give them?

1661
01:12:07,890 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 4: I always tell people to start where you are. So

1662
01:12:10,450 --> 01:12:12,980
Speaker 4: don't wait until you got the job, you moved out

1663
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,140
Speaker 4: to the state that you want to move to or whatever.

1664
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:18,240
Speaker 4: Start where you are, interview your friends, interview the people

1665
01:12:18,260 --> 01:12:21,400
Speaker 4: that are doing something around you. Get good at like

1666
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:23,860
Speaker 4: knowing how to like produce. If you're starting where you

1667
01:12:24,050 --> 01:12:26,510
Speaker 4: are and you're putting out content, you're developing ideas and

1668
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,990
Speaker 4: angles and all that, you're learning how to produce and

1669
01:12:29,010 --> 01:12:30,970
Speaker 4: that there's no way you can live and breathe in

1670
01:12:30,990 --> 01:12:34,570
Speaker 4: this space and not be a producer also. That's number one.

1671
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:37,810
Speaker 4: Number two is to like really just understand what is

1672
01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:40,430
Speaker 4: the story that you want to tell. That won't come instantly.

1673
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:44,780
Speaker 4: I'm just now realizing within this last year that where

1674
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 4: I think my voice is strongest and lending myself to

1675
01:12:47,380 --> 01:12:50,260
Speaker 4: that and building a brand around it. It will take time.

1676
01:12:50,300 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 4: So don't be afraid to try things. Don't be afraid

1677
01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 4: to get on different platforms. If it's not the job

1678
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:56,010
Speaker 4: you want, like people be like, should I start in

1679
01:12:56,030 --> 01:12:58,830
Speaker 4: local news? It's so boring. It's not the shade room.

1680
01:12:59,210 --> 01:12:59,630
Speaker 3: Hell yeah.

1681
01:12:59,650 --> 01:13:01,390
Speaker 4: It's a job. It's going to put you on camera.

1682
01:13:01,430 --> 01:13:04,790
Speaker 4: It's going to teach you things. There's so many different

1683
01:13:05,470 --> 01:13:08,059
Speaker 4: tools that you need. Like you need to, there's so

1684
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:09,500
Speaker 4: many different things you need to know how to do.

1685
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 4: on and off camera that you don't learn it until.

1686
01:13:12,740 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 3: You do it.

1687
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,740
Speaker 1: Post-production and stuff like that.

1688
01:13:15,220 --> 01:13:19,469
Speaker 4: Yes. Like when I'm a personality and I'm navigating new spaces,

1689
01:13:19,490 --> 01:13:22,110
Speaker 4: like Breakfast Club was new, new for me. Like I

1690
01:13:22,130 --> 01:13:25,110
Speaker 4: had never been on a platform for that long of

1691
01:13:25,150 --> 01:13:28,090
Speaker 4: a time where like I'm a full blown personality. And

1692
01:13:28,110 --> 01:13:30,849
Speaker 4: the first day I was there, I remember thinking like, okay,

1693
01:13:31,010 --> 01:13:33,970
Speaker 4: today was cool. But as a producer, what were the

1694
01:13:34,010 --> 01:13:36,710
Speaker 4: things that I didn't do well that would have made

1695
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:39,390
Speaker 4: the producer's job easier when it comes to making the

1696
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:42,210
Speaker 4: show good? Like, what did I realize? I realized like, yo,

1697
01:13:42,250 --> 01:13:43,570
Speaker 4: they really good as hell at what they do in

1698
01:13:43,650 --> 01:13:45,490
Speaker 4: real life. I don't think people give it to Charlamagne.

1699
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:48,140
Speaker 1: Yes. They're good at well-oiled machines.

1700
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:52,420
Speaker 4: Right. Bro, like they just be like, like off the top, like,

1701
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:55,189
Speaker 4: So like, you know, I was like, okay, comebacks. I

1702
01:13:55,210 --> 01:13:58,219
Speaker 4: thought my comebacks were cool for the TMZ room, but

1703
01:13:58,860 --> 01:14:00,500
Speaker 4: that's a bunch of people who are like, you know,

1704
01:14:00,540 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 4: it's different when you with the culture. So like, you know, just,

1705
01:14:03,340 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 4: but having that producer hat and having had it for

1706
01:14:08,140 --> 01:14:11,600
Speaker 4: so long at TMZ and understanding what makes people go,

1707
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,140
Speaker 4: I started looking at myself like, okay, what can I

1708
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,740
Speaker 4: really lean into here to make this shit? I got

1709
01:14:15,770 --> 01:14:17,010
Speaker 4: to run it up while I'm here because I might

1710
01:14:17,050 --> 01:14:18,170
Speaker 4: not be here forever. I got to run it up.

1711
01:14:18,250 --> 01:14:18,470
Speaker 2: Right.

1712
01:14:19,229 --> 01:14:21,339
Speaker 4: So it's important to get all that so don't turn

1713
01:14:21,350 --> 01:14:23,540
Speaker 4: down anything learn as much as you can start where

1714
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,700
Speaker 4: you are put the stuff out if you're telling me

1715
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 4: that you are a TV personality and I can't find

1716
01:14:28,460 --> 01:14:32,540
Speaker 4: you on social doing anything TV personality wise in 2024

1717
01:14:32,540 --> 01:14:35,220
Speaker 4: you're not a TV personality if you're a producer and

1718
01:14:35,260 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 4: you can't send me a reel or there's nothing out

1719
01:14:37,420 --> 01:14:39,180
Speaker 4: there that I can see you're not a producer but

1720
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 4: the minute that you start putting stuff out there you

1721
01:14:40,860 --> 01:14:43,380
Speaker 4: are regardless of people believe it or not so just

1722
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:46,140
Speaker 4: get started start.

1723
01:14:45,020 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: Start where you are.

1724
01:14:48,710 --> 01:14:50,930
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Lauren, for joining us, man. This was

1725
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:53,510
Speaker 2: such an excellent interview. You're such a great guest. We

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Speaker 2: definitely want to have you back for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yes, man. Call me whenever y'all need me. I'm talking

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Speaker 4: back all the time. So just call me. Plug all

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Speaker 4: your shit, though.

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Speaker 1: Period.

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Speaker 4: Yes. Make sure y'all go and follow me in the brand.

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Speaker 4: So I am Lauren LaRosa everywhere. L-O-R-E-N L-O-R-O-S-A everywhere. That's YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Everything.

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Speaker 4: So on YouTube, we are documenting behind the scenes. We're

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Speaker 4: blogging the experience, but we also now have the Brown

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Speaker 4: Girl Grinding interview series, which we kicked off this month

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Speaker 4: or yeah, it was this month. We kicked off this

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Speaker 4: month with Vivica A. Fox and we have some really,

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Speaker 4: really great Brown Girls on the Ground entertainment, like some

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01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:37,689
Speaker 4: really good names that you guys are going to enjoy

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Speaker 4: coming there. But Warner Bros. everywhere. And then the brand

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Speaker 4: is Brown Girl Grinding. B-R-O-W-N.

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Speaker 1: Girl.

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Speaker 4: Common spelling. Grinding. Grinding. common spelling as well too follow

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Speaker 4: us i tell people that brown girl grinding is like

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Speaker 4: the group chat like we have conversations over there we

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01:15:54,700 --> 01:15:57,660
Speaker 4: argue we get lit together we have a good time

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,810
Speaker 4: but it's home it's family and we're building out a

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01:16:00,850 --> 01:16:04,389
Speaker 4: space where you can get news exclusives talk back segments

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Speaker 4: all of that just a good good old time and

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Speaker 4: we do it like real cute like for the ladies

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Speaker 4: in a place with style.

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Speaker 3: And grace.

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Speaker 1: Sounds lit Thank y'all.

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01:16:13,180 --> 01:16:15,060
Speaker 4: For lending the platform to me. I appreciate y'all for

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Speaker 4: having me.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate you. Millennials are creating contemporary Black history in

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Speaker 1: real time, which involves actively engaging in actions, movements, initiatives

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Speaker 1: that contribute to the advancement, recognition, and celebration of Black culture.

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01:16:31,670 --> 01:16:34,950
Speaker 1: So building connections within the Black community and beyond is

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01:16:35,070 --> 01:16:41,380
Speaker 1: crucial for amplifying voices. sharing experiences, and fostering solidarity. Our

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Speaker 1: partners at AT & T Dreamin' Black are fully aware

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Speaker 1: that Black history isn't static. It's happening right now.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today, Lauren LaRosa, she definitely touched on that,

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Speaker 2: how Black millennials are becoming entrepreneurs and launching businesses and

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01:16:55,270 --> 01:16:59,110
Speaker 2: creating innovation solutions. She definitely was talking about how our parents,

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01:16:59,430 --> 01:17:01,689
Speaker 2: you know, our parents would work for 20 years at

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Speaker 2: one job and stay with that job. And now millennials,

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01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:08,290
Speaker 2: we are challenging ourselves traditional business models. And she also

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Speaker 2: talked about collaborations with bigger brands and how to scale

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Speaker 2: your business. So that was definitely dope. Some black millennials

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01:17:14,350 --> 01:17:16,090
Speaker 2: that I can think of that are definitely pushing the

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Speaker 2: culture forward right now.

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Speaker 3: Pinky Cole.

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Speaker 4: She has Slutty Vegan.

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Speaker 3: That's huge. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: A vegan plant-based burger restaurant, you know, and she's, it

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Speaker 2: started in Atlanta and now it's a change. She's moving

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Speaker 2: all over the country and she was like time nominated

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Speaker 2: for times top a hundred people.

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Speaker 3: Then you have Everett Taylor.

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Speaker 2: He's the CEO of Kickstarter, which is a crowdfunding app

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01:17:39,390 --> 01:17:42,809
Speaker 2: that has collected millions and millions of dollars for entrepreneurs

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01:17:43,229 --> 01:17:46,190
Speaker 2: who are trying to get their creative ideas off the ground.

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Speaker 3: So that's huge.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Charlamagne, now God, with the Black Effect Podcast Network,

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Speaker 1: our network.

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Speaker 3: Period.

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01:17:53,210 --> 01:17:57,090
Speaker 1: Okay, he has brought together some of the biggest voices

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Speaker 1: in Black media to spread truth. OK, we talked about

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01:18:01,310 --> 01:18:05,280
Speaker 1: truth a lot on this episode. So Black millennials are

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01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,420
Speaker 1: able to share their stories and perspectives on multiple podcasts

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01:18:09,900 --> 01:18:13,800
Speaker 1: across the network. Charlamagne is the founder and creator of

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Speaker 1: this network, the Black Effect Podcast Network, which stands as

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01:18:17,780 --> 01:18:22,580
Speaker 1: the first podcast network tailored specifically for Black listeners. OK,

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01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:25,580
Speaker 1: we ain't trying to exclude nobody, but yes, for us

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01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,210
Speaker 1: by us. Bringing together diverse and trusted voices within the

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Speaker 1: culture and fostering a platform for representation and connection where

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Speaker 1: Black millennials can share their stories, like I said.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: So before we go, let's discuss how me and you

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01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,260
Speaker 2: and we talk back, how we can continue to.

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Speaker 3: Support Black creators and amplify our voices.

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Speaker 1: We don't keep talking. We're going to keep talking back. Okay.

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Speaker 2: I think we got to keep bringing on good guests

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Speaker 2: from all different walks of life, you know, different entrepreneurs,

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01:18:56,910 --> 01:18:59,220
Speaker 2: women who are like, we just did the segment with

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01:18:59,270 --> 01:19:03,660
Speaker 2: women who are happily married, different people in STEM.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know shit about STEM. So, you know,

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Speaker 3: Things like that.

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Speaker 2: I think that's a dope way that we can definitely

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Speaker 2: amplify our voices and push the culture forward.

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01:19:13,070 --> 01:19:13,689
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: All right. So y'all to learn more about AT &

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01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:19,610
Speaker 1: T and their initiatives with AT & T Dreamin' Black,

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01:19:19,650 --> 01:19:22,990
Speaker 1: y'all visit AT & T. com Dreamin' Black to learn more

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01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:26,090
Speaker 1: about the visionaries AT & T Dreamin' Black is honoring

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01:19:26,130 --> 01:19:28,390
Speaker 1: and celebrating this month and how you can enter to

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01:19:28,470 --> 01:19:32,070
Speaker 1: win by sharing your story. Black Effect podcast demonstrates commitment

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01:19:32,090 --> 01:19:35,880
Speaker 1: to underrepresented voices in media and beyond under the belief

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01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:41,520
Speaker 1: that connecting changes everything. Y'all listen, if you enjoyed this episode,

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Speaker 1: y'all tune in every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, wherever

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01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:48,550
Speaker 1: you get your podcasts at. This is your co-host, AJ Holiday.

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Speaker 4: Kick it, Tam.

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01:19:50,310 --> 01:19:53,070
Speaker 2: Y'all, it's official Tam Bam. I love y'all once again. Y'all,

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01:19:53,090 --> 01:19:55,150
Speaker 2: thank y'all for tuning in. Remember to speak now.

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01:19:55,450 --> 01:19:56,810
Speaker 1: And never hold your peace.

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01:19:57,970 --> 01:19:58,650
Speaker 3: Or your voice.

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01:19:59,150 --> 01:19:59,610
Speaker 4: Ever.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.