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Speaker 1: Welcome to We Talk Back Podcast, the production of iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effect Network.

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Speaker 2: So we're just two unapologetically black women with an opinion

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Speaker 2: who talks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, y'all? Thank you for tuning in for a

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Speaker 1: new episode of We Talk Back, a show dedicated to

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Speaker 1: you dreamers and chasers. It's your co host, AJ Holiday.

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Speaker 1: What's up to you?

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Speaker 2: Hey, y'all, It's official Tmvan. I love y'all. Thank y'all

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Speaker 2: for tuning in. Again. We got a guest with us today.

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Speaker 2: Laura le Rossa. Do her introduction. I know you got it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so why you let me do it? Okay? You're

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Speaker 1: not be writing nice little introductions for the guests. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, y'alls listen. Today's guest is simply a brown

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Speaker 1: girl grinding okay. A former news producer for TMZ, also

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Speaker 1: on air talent for over seven years. Also for the

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Speaker 1: past year, y'all have seen her as a recurring guest

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Speaker 1: host on The Breakfast Club with CHARLAMAGNEA God and DJ

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Speaker 1: Envy and Again. She's a producer, she's a model, she's

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Speaker 1: an actress. She's dominating and documenting her journey through the

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Speaker 1: world of entertainment via lifestyle vlogs on her self produced

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, Lauren lo Rosa TV. And at the end

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Speaker 1: of the day, it's Lauren Lorosa. You like that?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I love.

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Speaker 3: How you bought it all together. At the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, it's new too, So you've been you, you

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Speaker 3: did your research.

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Speaker 2: How y'all doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to

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Speaker 3: be with girls that talk back, because maybe I'll be

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Speaker 3: talking back and maybe like share up.

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Speaker 2: Yes, how was y'all? Weekend?

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Speaker 1: It was good?

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Speaker 3: Not cool?

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Speaker 2: What'd you do?

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Speaker 3: I don't really do much and nothing. I went out.

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Speaker 3: I had some friends in town. I newly got a

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Speaker 3: place here in Jersey, so just like letting people know

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Speaker 3: that I'm here and like popping out a little bit,

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Speaker 3: like dinners and stuff like that. Nothing too too crazy.

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 1: I've been sick? The fuck?

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Speaker 3: What is happening?

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Speaker 2: Was?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Then I saw this post on social media how everybody sick?

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Speaker 1: So apparently there's something going around. And the only place

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Speaker 1: I've been to was the grocery store.

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Speaker 3: It's like a cold, but it sounds like the flu.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, yeah, I call I called a SAT

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Speaker 2: I was like hello, I was like, to you I

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Speaker 2: was like, goddamn, girl.

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Speaker 1: I'm sweating right now, Like I really need like a

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Speaker 1: fan and the ice pack. I'm so hot, but it's

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Speaker 1: coming out. That's my weekend, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all about my weekend. So one of

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Speaker 2: my good friends, she was having her twin babies christen

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Speaker 2: this weekend in Atlanta. So I went down to celebrate

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Speaker 2: the babies and go to the christening and it was

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Speaker 2: such a good time. And at the end of the

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Speaker 2: church service, my friend pulled me to the front. She

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Speaker 2: was like, I want to let get the pastor to

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Speaker 2: pray for you. So I went to the front and

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Speaker 2: the pastor like it was two of them that was

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Speaker 2: praying over me, and both of them took that holy

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Speaker 2: oil and we're like, put it in their hand right,

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Speaker 2: and they laid hands on my head right and it

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Speaker 2: was mashing it in. I feel like the pastor was

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Speaker 2: making trying to make me go down, but I was like.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going down.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going down. I'm not going down. So he

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Speaker 2: was just mashing that holy oil right into my lace. Baby.

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Speaker 2: By the time I.

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Speaker 1: Got out, just moved back because the oil movie.

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Speaker 2: Baby, I was lifted. I was lifted in the spirit,

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Speaker 2: and so was my lace. My ship was so high up.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh my god, it looks so bad, y'all.

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Speaker 2: And I just had to walk around talking everybody. Had

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed the service? Lace? Just standing up.

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Speaker 3: Some good today because because.

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Speaker 2: I had to take that thing up and set put

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Speaker 2: it back down and you wanted to push it back anyway.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a hand shout and that is.

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Speaker 1: It looked good. I feel like that on purpose. They

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Speaker 1: was trying to see if that was your hair or not.

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Speaker 2: It was two it was two men too hens right there.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, thank you God, but too yes yes,

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Speaker 2: So hopefully the prayers come true. Amen.

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Speaker 1: Amen.

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Speaker 2: So our first segment of the show is called Stupid

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Speaker 2: Internet News. I don't know if you've seen it or

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Speaker 2: heard it before, but it's just our Sins of the

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Speaker 2: week where we discussed everything dumb that's going on in

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Speaker 2: the world, everything that's good. So let's get into it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about Chris Brown and all. Start. You see

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Speaker 2: that over the weekend Chris Brown going on. I saw

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Speaker 2: that you had a post recently about Chris.

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Speaker 3: Grow They still I'm still getting onplications and people were

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Speaker 3: so angry at me.

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Speaker 1: Yes too, how about that?

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Speaker 3: Like they like they like, they're like, fuck her, that's

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Speaker 3: why she didn't get the breakfast club job.

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Speaker 2: Now, people was on there saying that the big man.

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Speaker 3: That's like, that's like the lightest of of the comments.

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Speaker 3: But when you when you talk about anything Chris Brown,

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Speaker 3: especially if you're not saying sending him to hell and

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Speaker 3: do rid of him, people wanna you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. I saw it though, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: we still arguing about.

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Speaker 2: Chris, right, all right? So that's my whole point, right right.

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Speaker 2: So what happened over the weekend For people who don't know,

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Speaker 2: Chris Brown is slamming the NBA and claiming he was

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Speaker 2: disinvited from the least annual NBA All Star Celebrity Game

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Speaker 2: due to his past domestic violence controversies. The R and

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Speaker 2: B singer posted several screenshots of emails on his Instagram

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Speaker 2: story early Saturday morning, which appeared to be sent by

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Speaker 2: the NBA. Now, do we feel like it's about Rihanna still?

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Speaker 2: Because that ship old as hell.

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Speaker 3: I think it's about all of the eth But you

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Speaker 3: got Rihanna, you got Caruci who had called police reports.

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Speaker 3: You have just everything that has followed him since, Like people,

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Speaker 3: he's just been like the bad kid in school.

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Speaker 2: He can't shake it.

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Speaker 3: So people, I think people, brands are afraid to touch him.

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Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's that's what I think too, because

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Speaker 2: I mean, here we have doctor Dre has a whole

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Speaker 2: award named after him at the Grammys, and he's a

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Speaker 2: known woman beater. I feel like Doctor Dre's stuff never

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Speaker 2: I think because Michelai had that whole like what was

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Speaker 2: it like a docu.

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Speaker 3: Sente or something like it was.

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Speaker 1: Whatever situation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that that the age groups matter too,

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Speaker 3: because like social media and all that stuff was a

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Speaker 3: lot bigger when even though it's even bigger now when

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Speaker 3: the Chris Browniana stuff happened. And I also think Rihanna

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Speaker 3: is like she was then it is now the girl

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Speaker 3: and as sad as it is, it's like I think

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Speaker 3: when black women are like beating bruises and what battered,

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Speaker 3: the world already cares to a certain extent and not really,

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Speaker 3: but if you're not like a Megda Stallion or Rihanna,

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Speaker 3: like if this was any other woman, Like people don't

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Speaker 3: even talk about Crucci.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So I think with doctor Dre he kind of got

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Speaker 3: able to like move around it because the women weren't

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Speaker 3: like big householdines. He was so basically doctor Dre, Doctor

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Speaker 3: Dre beat the right bitches, what I mean, that's what

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Speaker 3: it looks like like No for real though, because it.

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Speaker 1: All from a time where it just gotta be a bigger.

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Speaker 3: And there was a yeah, a lot of stuff I

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Speaker 3: think too during their times. I don't think we know

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Speaker 3: because of the music, the lyrics, like everything. A lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff during their time was excusable.

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Speaker 2: For what they were. Like they like we we talked back.

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Speaker 3: Now he's your podcast, So it's a little bit different

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Speaker 3: now these days, Like it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the same, Dame we.

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Speaker 1: Fight back because who we shoot back over here that

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Speaker 1: we shoot first first.

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Speaker 3: The right one.

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Speaker 1: But I think it is whack for all these different

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Speaker 1: organizations to initiate these invitations to Chris Brown only to

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Speaker 1: pull him back because this is not the first time

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Speaker 1: it's happened. I can't recall off hand the last time,

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Speaker 1: but this I've definitely seen this type of shit happen

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Speaker 1: with him before, Like just like he said, just leave

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Speaker 1: him alone. He'll go wherever he's appreciated, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: So so Ruffles came out, and Ruffles was like, get

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Speaker 3: somebody else to do it. The wind on the door, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like doesn't look even crazier because like y'all not even standing.

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Speaker 3: One of the brands gotta stand on something, and one

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Speaker 3: of y'all are not. Neither one of y'all are standing

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Speaker 3: on anything. So now it looks like y'all scared to

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Speaker 3: be like, oh, we don't want to sit next to him,

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Speaker 3: but y'all don't want to say that. It's like pick

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Speaker 3: a side, right, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Be having too much fucking air in that bag of chips?

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Speaker 2: Why is that much air? Let's talk about that.

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Speaker 3: We only even tenor ruffles anyway.

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Speaker 2: The sound cream and Cheddar is the only one. We

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Speaker 2: y'all only put ten chips in the bad and get

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Speaker 2: it together.

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Speaker 3: Nah, but the world ain't never gonna let Chris Brown

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Speaker 3: let us down, and like it's it's okay, like right,

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Speaker 3: some people are forever gonna feel like that man deserves hell.

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Speaker 3: And if that's how you feel, that's how you feel,

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Speaker 3: and if you don't, that you don't. But when it

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Speaker 3: comes to the brands, I never want us to think

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Speaker 3: that these brands get too straight out exactly, particularly us,

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Speaker 3: but especially once you got a little tainted version of

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Speaker 3: us like that. They're gonna protect their business. I don't

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Speaker 3: care how black the company team looks or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Business is. Business is business.

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Speaker 1: Quick. Everybody jumped off that deep that p did train

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Speaker 1: got the hell up out.

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Speaker 2: Of the baby do we?

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Speaker 3: We don't drink deliere.

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Speaker 1: I never drunk it.

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Speaker 3: I liked I like.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if if niggas had it in the section

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Speaker 2: I was drinking, wasn't it was the owned by a

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Speaker 2: black man?

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Speaker 3: That was that?

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Speaker 1: It wasn't? But really was it? Because you got out

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Speaker 1: of your whole, Brandy?

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Speaker 3: If it were what we got left, we got douce,

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Speaker 3: we got the DT award.

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Speaker 1: No, we don't have none of them things. BT is

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Speaker 1: not black owned, nor is for real because he was

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Speaker 1: just in the whole thing with who owns do say

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Speaker 1: all simately lois vatan right like the whole like the

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Speaker 1: whole you know, conglomerate. Yeah, so you know these are partnerships.

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Speaker 1: So you're not good for the brand.

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Speaker 2: A lot of times though.

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Speaker 3: A lot of times though, because I think with the

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Speaker 3: situation with Diddy, it made people be like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: is what I'm talking about. Black people don't know how to

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Speaker 1: I never want Those are demons.

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Speaker 2: I just met one of the girls.

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Speaker 3: It's like, I can I can see the demon like.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? I felt like it should have happened before it happened.

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Speaker 2: She was ignorant. I don't feel like it was like

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Speaker 2: The hardest, but not even the ship.

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Speaker 3: It was hard to see the little girl with the

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Speaker 3: like your parents, OKI are trying to get you ready

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Speaker 3: because the world they did, you know, they sposed so

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Speaker 3: being five. She should be cocoa melon and not like

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Speaker 3: waxing people's melons for real. Like that shit is crazy

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Speaker 2: It was hard to watch, I agree, and especially like

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Speaker 3: You still say in private parts and don't forget that

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Speaker 1: I was trying to wax in these people exactly. That's

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Speaker 1: Like her mom put her in danger, Yes, her mom

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Speaker 3: Wax is high because if it was a man, so

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, what they don't?

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Speaker 3: Because I feel like people got mad at no, for real,

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Speaker 3: But there was so many people that was like, I

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Speaker 2: Let me tell y'all something. This makes me think of

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Speaker 2: So I remember the cnsay that we had as a kid.

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Speaker 2: Did I tell this story? I already No, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: at whatever animal and it's spin around y'all. Remember, no, no, Lauren,

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Speaker 2: no cnsay. It was like a little toy and it

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Speaker 2: have like an arrow to have animals all around it

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Speaker 3: Did that haunt you in your experience when you started.

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Speaker 2: Using yes, I won't even use this, won't use I

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I know what has happened.

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Speaker 2: Happened?

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Speaker 1: My mom is a singing rain so crazy.

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Speaker 3: At least that's all you pizza in the bathroom and salt.

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Speaker 3: At least it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Like waxing your mama.

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Speaker 2: Right, My mom was like, come wax me, that's.

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Speaker 1: Definitely some precious ship. I'm sorry. All I thought would

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Speaker 1: have thought about was Monique and precious, Like what are

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Speaker 3: Why couldn't the mom just like put the LLC in

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Speaker 1: And then I put it on the internet.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have been mad at if she was doing

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Speaker 3: Yes, eyeb it's the heat though of the wax and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you put it online because she thought

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Speaker 2: My baby made seven hundred and fifty dollars a day. Well,

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all listen. Have y'all been following this who

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Speaker 1: the fuck that I marry story on TikTok? This girl

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Speaker 1: her name is uh Tessa, Resa, Resa Tisa of some

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Speaker 1: shit like that, Resa Tisa. I watched all.

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Speaker 3: So I've been seeing people talk about the fact that

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Speaker 3: I didn't go watch it. Is it worth to watch?

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Speaker 1: She talks?

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Speaker 2: Everybody seems to think.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, yes, because it's informative and some people

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Speaker 3: So what's the premise of the like happened?

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Speaker 1: she met him like that March, I believe. So COVID

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Speaker 1: we went in lockdown like February. Now they're in Atlanta.

441
00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 1: Atlanta ain't never really locked down, but anyway, so people

442
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:36,400
Speaker 1: were still slinging dick at the beginning of COVID and so.

443
00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,199
Speaker 2: Boy and when COVID happened, let me say this, I

444
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,360
Speaker 2: was trying to figure out how I was gonna fuck

445
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,840
Speaker 2: through a shout curtain. I really was like trying to

446
00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,760
Speaker 2: figure out.

447
00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 3: So I had a boyfriend, and so I was cool,

448
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 3: I was I was trying to figure out how I

449
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:52,200
Speaker 3: was going up with a baby.

450
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Speaker 1: Y'all made it through Well, obviously, y'all inn't make it

451
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: through COVID. If you're trying to find we made it.

452
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: We made it.

453
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: We made it through COVID. But we're gonna get it

454
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: to okay, We're gonna get it to your sit.

455
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 1: So apparently this guy had matched with her on two

456
00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: different sites. This was already the first red flag, y'all.

457
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: He matched with her on two different dating websites under

458
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,720
Speaker 1: two different names. Like one of the websites it was

459
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,439
Speaker 1: a variation of his other name. She found out this

460
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 1: dude was a twin later on all type of little

461
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: wear shit. But he just kept giving her to run

462
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 1: around about buying a house and buying her a new car,

463
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,160
Speaker 1: and just like a super dupa, like if the nigga

464
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 1: mouth was moving, he was lying like that's just the

465
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: gist of the whole thing. And so now TikTok has

466
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,800
Speaker 1: found the guy. Right, his name is Legion, and when

467
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,119
Speaker 1: I like, that's his nickname. So when I hear Legion,

468
00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking Legion and demons. Right, So this is wi

469
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Speaker 1: you sleep, This is so you sleeping next to And

470
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,760
Speaker 1: she would say how he can quote the Bible and

471
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Speaker 1: all that because his father was supposedly a pastor.

472
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Speaker 3: It's always really wasn't a pastor. If they quote the

473
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Speaker 3: Bible and they willing to do, what's that you don't

474
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: have sex abstin if they wanted to be they quote

475
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 3: the Bible right off the bat.

476
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Speaker 1: She said, to be willing to sustain he's a demon

477
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:28,119
Speaker 1: that as wild. Yeah, so yeah, it's fifty. No, I

478
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't watch all fifty. I was doing every other one right.

479
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 1: But if you want the full context of the story,

480
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 1: because you see people in the comments like questioning her

481
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: about ship she had already disclosed earlier on. Yeah, like

482
00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 1: if you watched the whole series and you know what

483
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,000
Speaker 1: was happening, I'm sick in the house. So yeah, I

484
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: watched it just because I just wanted This is a

485
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 1: particular story I just wanted to know about, because I

486
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: felt like, damn, why the hell I put my last

487
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: relationship story on TikTok, Because I mean, she's blowing up.

488
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: I would have gotten monetized first. She tripping right like

489
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,000
Speaker 1: a'to late girl. No, my shit is a movie. That's

490
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: where mine's going at Because some of the things she

491
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: was saying some of the shit she was saying, Like

492
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 1: she said she was at work one day and he

493
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 1: just called her out the brum. And this is after

494
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 1: they got married and all of that. Within months, Okay,

495
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 1: she had gotten pregnant, she had a miscarriage, all the shit.

496
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 1: He called her at work one day and was like

497
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 1: a black some dude just pulled up at your house

498
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,879
Speaker 1: and he's in her house. Okay, So they ended up

499
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:35,159
Speaker 1: quarantining at her place. Some dude just pulled up like

500
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: calling her while she's at the nail shop, like just

501
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 1: disturbing her peace. Because when a narcissist never wants you

502
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: to relax, like they want to keep you on edge

503
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 1: and keep like questioning your reality. So this is the

504
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: type of shit he was doing to her, like just

505
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: playing mind games. The nigga was homeless all just a

506
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: real a real character. I don't know. I think it's

507
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: a mental illness. Come to find out, the he was

508
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 1: portraying to her his twin brother was actually living. He

509
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: lied to her and said he was a VP of

510
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 1: his company. He drove a BMW company car, all this

511
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 1: weird shit. He was paid for pussy on apps Like

512
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: it was a mess. Okay, it's a mess. But this

513
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: happened between twenty and twenty one, and she's like in

514
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 1: recovery mode. So her putting the shit on TikTok is

515
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 1: like her.

516
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 2: Therapy, a former healing.

517
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I get it. I get it girl, Okay,

518
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,720
Speaker 1: but she.

519
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 3: Was so hold on. So all this happened, she left

520
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 3: on right, she left on and now she's on TikTok

521
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: talking about it. She is she date? Like why, Like,

522
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 3: so she's putting it out there, like is she trying

523
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 3: to get money back there? No, she just just just.

524
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: To help other women. It's like that's some real traumatizing shit.

525
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: So she's saying like I'm just now being able to

526
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: verbalize what I was going through, Like my family didn't

527
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: even know what I was going through. Like she was

528
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 1: saving face, like acting like everything was cool when her

529
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: mom came in town, Like you know, because we have

530
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: this thing where you supposed to keep your business to

531
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,400
Speaker 1: yourself and your relationship. I'm not one of them, because

532
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody all the fuck shit you did, bitch,

533
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: because when I need somebody home, he accountable to not

534
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,480
Speaker 1: fuck with you no more. My friend's gonna do it.

535
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 3: So would you be going back though, well being.

536
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: We give each other grace. You know I'm going back.

537
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: You know I'm going back for that day.

538
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: I don't mean I'm not to give graces. Friend, That's

539
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 3: what I'm sitting here, Like, why does the sis had

540
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: to have known that there was after a while in

541
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: there before.

542
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:34,159
Speaker 1: I think you should keep your dumb bitch to your

543
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: your dumb bit shit to yourself sometimes, you know, until

544
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 1: you're really ready. Sometimes it just depends on I've never

545
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 1: dealt with like a pathological liar per se, so.

546
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 3: Where it's like so bad that you like, I noticed

547
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 3: nigga like.

548
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: He is no way pat her looking at seven hundred

549
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: thousand dollar houses talking about he got a cash down

550
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: payment because he played arena football. Bitch, you never googled

551
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: the arena football salary. They don't make no money.

552
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: So none of that ship was true.

553
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: Nothing. His entire life was a lie. But the way,

554
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm a pet detective, and if any of our listeners,

555
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: if y'all dealing with somebody and you just got a

556
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: little inkling in your mind, this nigga who he said,

557
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: is sending to me, I'm gonna find him. I'm gonna

558
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: find all the shit about him in twenty.

559
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,919
Speaker 3: Four hours all these platforms. Now, I'm just saying her, like,

560
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 3: how does this not like when like the first line

561
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: started to crumble, It's like, how you don't I know,

562
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 3: I'm a little too crazy for somebody to lie to

563
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: me that deep and that long. Like it just wouldn't fly.

564
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: It wouldn't. I'm not easily finessed so that.

565
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 2: But but she probably just wanted to have somebody. It

566
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 2: was COVID. She was probably lonely. This man was digging

567
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: her down. I'm sure they was having raw set.

568
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:43,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, she got pregnant.

569
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 2: Penis confuses you, so.

570
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: And she said he was paying.

571
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: I did.

572
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 3: She said he.

573
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: Was paying all the bills initially, paying all her bills initially. Okay,

574
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: So she said she really got blinded by that because

575
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: her money was her money, and this is all this

576
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: is what we be saying we want right then, sometimes.

577
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: You didn't take her to Apple Bean.

578
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 1: No, their first date was definitely cheesecake factory. Okay, that's

579
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: they met. Look, he got her on the very first date.

580
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: And this is all I'm gonna say about it, So

581
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop talking about it anyway. So the first date,

582
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: she said she was on the way to meet him

583
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: to the chescake factory and her fucking tire blew out.

584
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: She called him and said, hey, I just blew out

585
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: inside of whatever, two eighty five whatever. He came, took

586
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: her to the tire shop, bought her to tire. The

587
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: pussy is in the bag, Like, you come. You don't

588
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: even know me yet, you come back.

589
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 3: I had one before. He was a price and he

590
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: was sucking. Honestly, right now.

591
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: It's about to be the season too, It's about to

592
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: be Pisce's men are fun.

593
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 3: It was such a good time over there. It was

594
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 3: such a good time over there. And he just they

595
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: just be knowing what to do and how to talk

596
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 3: to you, and like they do shit like that, like, oh,

597
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: first day I'm talking to you, my my car breaks down.

598
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 3: What you need a new car here because my girlfriend

599
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 3: not gonna be riding around with in an uber. And

600
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 3: then it's like, oh, I love him, And then it's

601
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: like everything changes. Now he's hell, he don't inswer the phone,

602
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 3: he goes days without talking to you. He's fucking the

603
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 3: shit out of you. And that just stops, and it's like, whoa,

604
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: now I'm outside your mom house.

605
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: Why are you.

606
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: Being weird to me?

607
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,160
Speaker 2: To me yet?

608
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: And then and then once you outside the mom house,

609
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: you why you being weird to me? He still don't

610
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: pick up the phone. Then he just calls you next

611
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 3: week like hey, babe, what you're doing? You want to

612
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: go here? You want like like nothing happens and you're

613
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I want to go, And you can't

614
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 3: understand why it's like that. Like I used to call

615
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: my Jurassic Park because it's hell when you get there.

616
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 3: But it just seems so.

617
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Y'all.

618
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: Literally if Dave, they be programming the Kouchie for sure,

619
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: and pices and men are so fine.

620
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 2: Okay, I had to block mine. They are and it

621
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: I had to block them. Hmm.

622
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: I'm not good at blocking and keeping you there right.

623
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: No, I had to do it this time because I

624
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: was gonna continue to fuck that man if I didn't.

625
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Is that twenty twenty four No more?

626
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: I can't do it, I said at the top of

627
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four hours. And my friends said, we leave

628
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: in all the toxic niggas behind. I sall who I'm

629
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: taking just in case I need somebody to call. I'm

630
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 3: gonna just you know, people to the side but they

631
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 3: gotta come on over a little bit shit.

632
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: All Right, y'all, we're gonna have a commercial break and

633
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: we'll be right back with Lauren la Rossa.

634
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Stay tuned, all right, Laura, Laura Rosa, you are relatively young,

635
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: right I want to talk about or can we talk

636
00:29:58,880 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: about your time at TMZ.

637
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: Now.

638
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: You even ended up there because I was like, damn,

639
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: does she go straight from college?

640
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 3: So I actually I did, but I didn't. I graduated

641
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: from Delaware State University shout out to my HBCU in

642
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen, and then I moved to LA. I was

643
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 3: there for about six months, and then I couldn't afford

644
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 3: to be there anymore, and so I were back. And

645
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 3: then I was at home in Delaware working for about

646
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: a year or two, and then I went back to

647
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 3: LA and then I started working for TMC. So it

648
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 3: was my first consistent entertainment job after college. But it

649
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: wasn't right after college, and I started from like the bottom,

650
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 3: like of And I hate when I say that because

651
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: no shade to the tour guides, but it's not the

652
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 3: newsroom whatsoever. I was giving tours around Hollywood. You're making

653
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: like fifteen dollars an hour, working two to four hours

654
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: a day. So I had like three jobs, Like you know,

655
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 3: this is me. Like out of college. I had a

656
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 3: great marketing job in Delaware, and I was doing entertainment

657
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 3: stuff on the side, and my family was like, yeah,

658
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: you're doing well, you know, just keep doing it, cute

659
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: little entertainment stuff. So when I decided to leave that

660
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 3: job and go for a forest, they were like the fuck,

661
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 3: Like why would.

662
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 2: You leave some go do tours.

663
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: They could until my mom could turn on the television

664
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 3: and actually see me on TV. And it's crazy because

665
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: she's a dreamer, Like she has a background in fashion,

666
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: sh moved to New York, the design and all that stuff.

667
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 3: But she's also like a very she's a money person.

668
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 3: So she couldn't understand me working for free, working for

669
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: not a lot of money, especially when I had the degree,

670
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: my degrees in marketing. I had a great job. I

671
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: was doing marketing for Barclays and you know, I was

672
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 3: doing a lot of things. She couldn't get it until

673
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: she could turn on the TV and see me, And

674
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 3: even then it was still kind of like, mm, this

675
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: is cool, but like where is it? Where we going?

676
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: Where the money at?

677
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: And so I was right.

678
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 3: So I was giving tours for like a good two

679
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: years before they even really started considering me for a

680
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: newsroom like job, like producing news and being on the

681
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: show market sistently.

682
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: All right. So this year Angela Ye left the Breakfast

683
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 2: Club and she said that it wasn't healthy working in

684
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 2: this male dominated space. Was it like that for you

685
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: at TMZ? Baby?

686
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: Not to take away from what Angela you went through,

687
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: but when I walked, my experience at Breakfast Club made

688
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: me realize how much I was in hell at TMD

689
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: in that news room. I remember my second day there

690
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 3: at Breakfast Club, I text all of my friends from

691
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 3: TMZ that still work there right now and was like,

692
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: the environment that we have been working in for all.

693
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: Of these years is not it's hostile.

694
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 3: It's very dark, it's very draining, it is very you know,

695
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 3: it's a news desk environment. And I don't know if

696
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: you guys have ever been in the newsroom that is

697
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 3: like any newsroom, whether it TMS or not, is very

698
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: like because there's something always happening. You're yelling, you're talking,

699
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: you love somebody, you hate them. That's just our industry

700
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 3: in general. But and I don't have anything to compare

701
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: it to. I never had anything to compare it to

702
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: until I went to Breakfast Club and got the you know,

703
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: work with them for some time. And when I did,

704
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 3: I was just like whoa, Yeah, So I not only

705
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: did I experience, like, you know, it being a male

706
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 3: dominated space, but you got to think about it, like,

707
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: I'm very young in my career at the time when

708
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: I start there, I'm black at the time. You had

709
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: Ben who was on air, Raquel who was on air,

710
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: and then me Charles. You know who's there, but Charles's

711
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: EP so he's kind of removed a lot from certain

712
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 3: things sometimes even though he's in the day to day

713
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: conversations and tries to support as much as he can.

714
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 3: Charles get so much shit.

715
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: But is that the guy with the dress.

716
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 3: He's had to help hold me down in certain Yeah,

717
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: the guy with the dress, he's had to hold me

718
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 3: down in a certain situations. So I never give him

719
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: too much shit. But I always make the joke that,

720
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: like during Black History went like we count him half

721
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: the time because you know, it just depends on where

722
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 3: he fell. But it's all love. But like all I had,

723
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: so I had that support when I came in and

724
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 3: as a tour guy, you got to be on the show.

725
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: So I was on the show a lot even before

726
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: I got on the news desk, but like you know,

727
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 3: my text were real quick. I'm in and out there

728
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: barely listening to Mevan had to repeat a lot of

729
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: what I was saying most of the time for people

730
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: to even hear me, and then I would leave once

731
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: I actually got on the news desk, And that's a

732
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 3: whole different beast because now you're part of a group

733
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 3: of like maybe ten people who are breaking news for

734
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 3: the world and controlling the conversation around entertainment news for

735
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 3: the world. I'm the only at this point. Now Van

736
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 3: has gone, and then Raquel decided to leave as well too,

737
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: it's just me. So not only am I the only

738
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: black person on the news desk, I'm the only black

739
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 3: woman on the news desk. So I'm up against number

740
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: one Black entertainment and Black news, in my opinion, not

741
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 3: being valued the way that it should have been for

742
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 3: it to drive so much of their website and their content.

743
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 3: I'm up against being new in the room and in

744
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 3: the space and not feeling like I had that much power.

745
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: For a very long time, I felt like that, so

746
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: I didn't know how to approach, you know, when I

747
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 3: wanted to push back on certain things and like whatever.

748
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 3: For the show, it was cute like I felt, you know,

749
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: on the show, I could say and do certain things

750
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: because that's what they wanted for the show. But in

751
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 3: real life and we're day to day working with each other,

752
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: there were things that were being that were happening that

753
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: I didn't feel comfortable with speaking up about to a

754
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: certain extent, just bringing ideas to the table and just

755
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 3: watching stuff happen and not even news related, but just

756
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 3: like with the people that I'm working with and colleagues,

757
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: and you know, these little microaggressions and things that I

758
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: started to see and understand that I think then he

759
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 3: did a really good job of making things funny and

760
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 3: making things fun but shielding me from a lot of stuff.

761
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: And it was from day one, like even when I

762
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: didn't know him, Like I remember I walked in and

763
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: he was like, hey, I'm being what's your name? Like

764
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 3: he took the time to come over. It wasn't super love.

765
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: I love being so much like because he just always

766
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 3: even before he really knew me, he always looked out

767
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 3: for me, and I didn't understand how much of a

768
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: kind of like a privilege to have a black man

769
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 3: in a space like that that understood how important it

770
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: was to do that was until he wasn't there anymore,

771
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: and then I was like, oh shit, so like now

772
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 3: I got so now I got a fight and it's

773
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 3: just me and it's just whatever. So I went through

774
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: a lot of different stuff, Like there were times there's

775
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 3: so much stuff that didn't make it to air that

776
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,359
Speaker 3: like sometimes I wish it didn't make it to air

777
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: because I think that it would have started a conversation

778
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 3: internally and externally that on a like a major scale

779
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: that was needed just about like black women in like

780
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 3: major media spaces, black people in spaces where they are

781
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: the only black content, black news, black celebrity. When the

782
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 3: Kanye West was Kyrie Irving, stuff was happening. Mind you,

783
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 3: this is my first time too being exposed to like

784
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 3: like I grew up in a hood and like when

785
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: I my school was Innmcity School, So I was the majority.

786
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: In my schools.

787
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 3: I went to HBCU, I was the majority. My work

788
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 3: space is all of my life have always been the

789
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 3: only places that I wasn't the majority. I was the minority.

790
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 3: So this was my first time working in space where

791
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, I'm working with people that are like, you know,

792
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 3: there's a bunch of different religions and like whatever. And

793
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: when the Kyrie Irving stuff happened, I remember it was

794
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 3: a culture shock for me because a lot of what

795
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: was happening. And like even with Nick Cannon when he

796
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 3: said those kindments that he said, I remember a lot

797
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: of the things. I'm like, I grew up here in

798
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 3: some of that in my household, and that's what I

799
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: was taught. I didn't know that it hurt people. I

800
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 3: didn't know that, you know, to a certain extent, certain

801
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: things weren't okay, Like I had no idea.

802
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: And it was the same thing with our stuff, Like

803
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: I had to teach certain.

804
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: People why you don't ask me about how long my

805
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: hair took the break down every single time I get

806
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 3: my braids done, Like I'm not a science project bro.

807
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: Like there was so much that we had to like

808
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 3: teach each other, and I was just like, oh shit,

809
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 3: like this is real. But there was no protection. It

810
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 3: was just like me and I didn't realize until I

811
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: left again how much that fucked with me. Like on

812
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 3: a day to day, so I encountered that. But and

813
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 3: again I don't want to take away from Angelie's experience,

814
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,879
Speaker 3: but when I walked into the breakfast club that time

815
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: that I was there, I was like, I wish that

816
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 3: every day of my work life. When I was at

817
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 3: TMZ felt like this, I could have been so much

818
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,959
Speaker 3: better of an employee. I mean, I did my thing,

819
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: but it would have been happier, different, Like I felt

820
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 3: happier I would I would have felt like even in

821
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: times because you know, when you talking topics and culture

822
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 3: like all this stuff, some of this stuff get very easy,

823
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: like we're not gonna all agree whether we all look

824
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: alike or not. But although I felt safe and comfortable

825
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: to disagree, it took me time to get to that

826
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: point at TMD, like it was a lot of times

827
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: where like I didn't really understand myself as an asset

828
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: in the room and I didn't know like they using

829
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: the fuck out of me. I mean like when being

830
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 3: got fired. I had never hosted any of the shows

831
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 3: by myself. Mind you, TMZ is in La La is

832
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 3: number one market for television. TMZ is you know they're

833
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 3: huge at what they do, so to be on those

834
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: platforms on television is a major thing. The day that

835
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: being got fired. The next day they say, hey, do

836
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: you want to host TMZ Live? And I was like, yeah, okay,

837
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 3: And it didn't dawn on me until I'm hosting in

838
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 3: the seat. Y'all niggas only got me here because y'all

839
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: want pay six looking like racist people. It's because of

840
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 3: the conversation that was surrounding in me. If I had known, Like,

841
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: It's not like I was oblivious or green, but I

842
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: think I was just so in the this is just work,

843
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 3: this is just what I do, this is just how

844
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: they use me. I'm just happy to be here. That

845
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: I just like went with it until I hosted and

846
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 3: my Twitter went crazy. People were like, who the hell

847
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 3: is this black girl? Why would she coming host? After

848
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 3: what they did to THEND then had to get on

849
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: Twitter and be like, this is my sister. Leave alone.

850
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: But and now I was like, oh shit, like I'm

851
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: the pond right now. Like so, once I realized that,

852
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, bad, y'all want to play, let's play.

853
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: Y'all need me, I need y'all. I'm an asset. I

854
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: don't agree with this. I don't agree with that I'm

855
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 3: gonna do this, I'm gonna do that, and y'all need me,

856
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 3: so we'll see where it lies. And now there were

857
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: so many times I would call my manager, ya, I'm

858
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 3: probablynn got fired to day, like what's next for us?

859
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 3: Because I d sure told them off today on air that.

860
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Exchange you and Harvey had after the Kenosha shooting. The

861
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: little boy Kyle Rittenhouse had gotten where he got off.

862
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: He didn't get convicted. They exchanged you and him had

863
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: that day. Is that kind of what led up to

864
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: you resigning?

865
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 3: No, And that was early in the game, Like that

866
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: was like right after all of the protest stuff that happened,

867
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: and kind of, you know, coming off all the George

868
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 3: Floyd stuff, there have been way more heated. Like imagine

869
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 3: being the only person that is willing to talk back

870
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: when George Floyd and a out Ivrey got killed and

871
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 3: having to teach them about we put up a Juneteenth

872
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 3: post and we put by I keep saying, well, I'm

873
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: so used to being there. I remember they had put

874
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: up a they were prepping a Juneteenth Post to go

875
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: live on the website because everybody was so black and

876
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 3: all that during that time, right and they wanted to

877
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 3: use the American flag as a part of the art

878
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: for the Juneteenth Post and I had to get on

879
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,960
Speaker 3: the phone and say, Yo, what's trunk for the race war?

880
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: Like the whole point of Juneteenth is the fact that

881
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 3: we don't feel welcome here, Like why would you use

882
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 3: the American flag, which is a part of the constitution

883
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: that we feel like it has still enslaved us and

884
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: we're celebrating the date that we found out that we

885
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: ain't got shit to do with that, Like y'all not

886
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 3: getting it, And they were like, oh, you're being too emotional.

887
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 2: Like I had to.

888
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: I had to Charles, and I called. When I called Charles,

889
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 3: Charles didn't fully understand it, but he heard me out,

890
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: and once I explained it, he was like, you're right,

891
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 3: we're gonna change it. Send me the correct flag and

892
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 3: correct colors, and we'll make sure that you know what

893
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: I mean. Having to do stuff like that on and

894
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: off air. By the time of the Dyling Root stuff

895
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,919
Speaker 3: had become so normal to me, and I think God

896
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 3: for that experience. It was tough in the beginning, Like

897
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 3: I remember, I was like crying every day, Like oh,

898
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 3: I was like it just the pressure of it, like

899
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 3: they're literally making you speak for every black person in

900
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: the world, and it's like you never feel like you

901
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,439
Speaker 3: can get it right. You know how I really shit

902
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 3: can get if you say something wrong, but not even

903
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: just saying or doing things wrong, but like you're not

904
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: really come from a place where like my friends is

905
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 3: really getting beat up by police. Before this shit was

906
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: cute to talk about on Instagram, my brother my mom

907
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: was going to you know, showing up the court cases

908
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 3: where police wouldn't show up because my brother resisted the rest.

909
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: But y'all fucked him up, so of course he resisted

910
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: the rest. You know what I mean, Like this is

911
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 3: real for me. It's not just a segment on a

912
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 3: news show for me. So I took things a lot

913
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 3: more persons than they did, and it would get on

914
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: my nerves and they wouldn't understand it. So we had

915
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 3: been through so much shit, Like the the pivotal points

916
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 3: for me when I was like, yo, how much more

917
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: mentally are you gonna put yourself through anywhere? Not even

918
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 3: just here, was when we had the conversations about Kanye

919
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: and the Kyrie irving, and we had had I tried

920
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 3: to handle it in a way where like I understood

921
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: where they were coming from. Right, Like, there were people

922
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 3: that I was working with at TMZ whose grandparents were

923
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 3: a part of like a lot of like the like

924
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: the into Semitic comments and like the genocide, like this,

925
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 3: the different things they had been through. It's real close

926
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: for them, like literally their grandparents. Like I have a

927
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: friend who was telling me about her grandmother and losing

928
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 3: her and all that stuff and why Kanye hurt he

929
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: or whatever, And I took that and I listened to it.

930
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 3: But I also felt like on the other side of things,

931
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: there was some things that were happening, and my point

932
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 3: to them was, as a platform, we have a responsibility

933
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: to be fair and not lean off of emotion, and

934
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: the people in power here right now are not being

935
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: It's all very personally emotionally driven, and we're humans, so

936
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 3: I understand why it's happening, but like you know, as

937
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 3: a person that's here, I just want to put that

938
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: in the forefront before we have any of these conversations.

939
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: That shit went off the window when the conversation started,

940
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 3: right and I was just like, bro, I got to

941
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,919
Speaker 3: get to a place in my career where I can

942
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,399
Speaker 3: say I'm not okay with something and walk away from it.

943
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 3: And as long as I sit up under this brain

944
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 3: and just be the black girl TMZ, I'm never gonna

945
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: be able to do that. Like I gotta build audience.

946
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: I got It's gonna be tough. You want have to

947
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: build it anyway, but I gotta do it because like

948
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here right now, like, are y'all fucking serious?

949
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: Like y'all want to talk about the fact that Kyrie

950
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 3: didn't apologize the way you wanted him to or use

951
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 3: the words you want him to? You know, times all

952
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 3: the wrong words terminology approach when it comes to me,

953
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: and I have to just think of it as a

954
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 3: cultural difference and go on and love y'all anyway. I'm

955
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 3: not trying to hear that shit like at all. Like

956
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 3: those are conversations that I wish made it to air

957
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 3: that got cut. Of course, in those instances though, I

958
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 3: was just like, Okay, I can only do this, but

959
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 3: for so long it's a great learning experience. But I

960
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: got to get to a point where I built a

961
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 3: platform and the name enough where know that if we

962
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 3: don't have these conversations, we don't really have it on.

963
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be able to call it out afterward,

964
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 3: if not be in fear of what might happen to

965
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: me if I do it.

966
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: M child, listen, Oh I couldn't. I couldn't do it.

967
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: I worked a corporate job and one of my biggest

968
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: things was being able to do something where I can

969
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: be myself. That's the podcast world, right, But I've definitely

970
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: been the only black girl. That's when my ask got

971
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: laid off because I'm the youngest. No kids in black

972
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: and get your ass up out of here. So I

973
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: definitely understand I couldn't do it because I was. I

974
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: was plotting on beating people up in the garage. You

975
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: have to work plenty days.

976
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 3: I was myself, so it just was like, no.

977
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: I've never not been myself. That's the problem when you

978
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: can't no code switching. So you be yourself. You show

979
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: up and you make it into places you can make

980
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 1: it where you want to be at being yourself for sure.

981
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 3: I didn't know that though at first I was raised

982
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: that way, but I didn't know that like I was

983
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 3: raised that like, nah, you're getting a wroong. You like

984
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 3: you don't ever sit in the room, don't say nothing.

985
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 3: But the more that I started to work in these

986
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 3: mainstream media spaces. It's just like you don't say that.

987
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 3: And then I come from fashion, fashion could tour fashion.

988
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: You don't say shit about nothing. So I was trained

989
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 3: to like get on and get along, like you know

990
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 3: what I mean, like eventually by the world, like the

991
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: world will bring, specially black women. The world won't teach

992
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 3: trying to remind you every day of while you gotta

993
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 3: like shut up.

994
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 2: Like and assimilate.

995
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I found that interview you just did recently

996
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: with Vivoca Fox interesting speaking about like going along to

997
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 1: get along, cause you touched on the Taraji p Henson

998
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: thing with Vivica Fox. You know, everybody saw Vivica fox

999
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 1: reaction to what Taraji p Henson was explaining about the

1000
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: industry and not being paid with your worth blah blah blah,

1001
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: and Vivica Fox said she didn't experience or didn't doesn't

1002
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: have that same experience. And then in the interview with you,

1003
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: she was talking about like how this is a business

1004
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: of relationships. I agree, relationships is worth more than money.

1005
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: So once you start burning bridges, you know, TMZ could

1006
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: be a bridge that you didn't give a fuck about. Burning. Okay,

1007
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: but depending on what you're trying to do in the industry,

1008
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: you have to maintain relationships, right, So do you think

1009
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: that she I don't. You was in her house doing

1010
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: an interview, so I don't know what type of relationship

1011
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: do you think?

1012
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: Right?

1013
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: Do you think she is one of the like there's

1014
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: no way you didn't understand as Vivica Fox, are you, yes?

1015
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: I don't.

1016
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,919
Speaker 3: I don't think that. I don't think that. I think

1017
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: that because me and her we had a conversation prior

1018
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 3: to that. Because and I just want to say, when

1019
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 3: it comes to TMZ, I ain't done nothing that Like,

1020
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 3: I have not done or said anything that I have

1021
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: not done or said to them, and while I was

1022
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 3: with them, So I don't believe that a bridge is burned.

1023
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 3: They do get a little emotionally upset when you leave

1024
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 3: because they want you to stay there. But you know

1025
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,760
Speaker 3: that'll be fine. But when it comes to Vivica Fox,

1026
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 3: like me and her had a really great like even

1027
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 3: though that was my first time meeting her that like, personally,

1028
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 3: I felt like I was in the home of a

1029
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: big sister. We had a really good big sens the

1030
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 3: little sister conversation about, you know, her life, her career,

1031
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: dealing with the controversy of like just everything. I was

1032
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 3: telling her how new it was for me to be

1033
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 3: on a platform like the Breakfast Club and like the

1034
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 3: taxis strict to you the reviews. You know, it's different

1035
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: when you're behind a brain like a TMZ and she

1036
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: kind of you know, we talked about that, and then

1037
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,239
Speaker 3: I asked her, you know, do you want to talk

1038
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: about the Taraji stuff? And because I didn't want to

1039
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: make her uncomfortable because of the respect that I for

1040
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 3: her and the conversation that we had around it prior

1041
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 3: to I think that I got a chance to understand

1042
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 3: her a little bit differently than the people that just

1043
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 3: watch these clips. And the way I felt walking away

1044
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 3: from it is not that she's just happy to be somewhere,

1045
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: happy to be working. But number one, she come from

1046
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: a different time. Like when I looked at the career

1047
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: that she had during the time that Vivica Fox was

1048
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,439
Speaker 3: the girl, there was just her and maybe like Halle Berry,

1049
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 3: like there weren't like there were nears. I don't think

1050
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: I can't so there, but isn't I believe Bifica Fox

1051
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 3: a little bit older than me alone, though correct the aid.

1052
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think.

1053
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 3: Okay. So for me, when I saw that, I remember

1054
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 3: asking her, like, do you feel like your experience was

1055
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 3: something that was a little bit different because the time

1056
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 3: that you came along is kind of like you were

1057
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 3: to go to for so much stuff, so you had

1058
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 3: a little bit more different leverage. And then also too,

1059
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 3: on top of that, I think that we have a

1060
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 3: little bit, a lot of bit more of a privilege

1061
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: to be able to like she might have thought she

1062
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 3: was leveraging her situation and maybe it worked out for

1063
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: her for what she needed. But I think now we

1064
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 3: get a chance to really see what leverage it looks

1065
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: like for real, for real, and we're trying to run

1066
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: it up differently. And Taraji is a part of a

1067
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: different world of like now you're gonna give me what

1068
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: you're supposed to give me. And I think it's the

1069
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 3: same thing when you talk to your grandmother about your

1070
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 3: career decisions versus your mom or versus your sister. And

1071
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: because for me, I would never describe and I don't

1072
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 3: I'm not doing this at age Vivaica, but the older

1073
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 3: black women in my family, I would never describe those

1074
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: women as like they sit down, they shut up, and

1075
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: they do whatever it needs to be done because they're

1076
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: strong women, they've been through things. They put things on

1077
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: her back that done the work. But their way of

1078
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 3: we talked back was different. And that's how I look

1079
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 3: at her. So like when she said, I didn't go

1080
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 3: and like, you know, maybe do it the way that

1081
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 3: Taraji did by talking about things or whatever. I caught

1082
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 3: my team, a team heard the certain things we whatever. Right.

1083
00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: I think that it's just it's a very sincetive topic, right,

1084
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 3: because you have people who are emotionally tied to what

1085
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 3: Taragi is doing. We watch her forever, we love her forever,

1086
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: and a lot of us go through the same stuff.

1087
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 3: But I think that it's one of those conversations where

1088
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: you have to realize that, like everybody has a different

1089
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: place in the fight, Vivica Fox doesn't have to be

1090
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: the voice of Martin Luther King of it, right. She

1091
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 3: could be the person that's sitting at home that you

1092
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: call for the bill money when Martin Luther King, you know,

1093
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: it's writing that letter from Birmingham jail. And I'm not

1094
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: trying to say that she's Martin Luther King or anything

1095
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: like that for the people listening. But all I'm saying

1096
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 3: is that when I talked to her, from what I

1097
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 3: took from it is just because she didn't do it

1098
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 3: the same way or she doesn't say that's my experience,

1099
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean that she didn't have inexperience of some

1100
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 3: sort that she had to out figure out and that

1101
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: change things for the Taragi to come. I don't think

1102
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: that she did a good job of saying that, and

1103
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 3: I want to be very honest and saying that. Her

1104
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: biggest thing with me in that conversation about that topic

1105
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,759
Speaker 3: was she wanted to protect Taraji. She didn't want to

1106
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 3: talk too much about it because she felt like seeing

1107
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: Taraji break down the way she did, and then everything

1108
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 3: that came after that team clip and how the world

1109
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 3: pinned them to against each other, she felt like she

1110
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: was like it piled onto whatever I just obviously going through,

1111
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 3: And she said to me, She's been through enough, I

1112
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: don't want to pile on. Our experiences are different. So

1113
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 3: it was kind of disheartening for people to not get

1114
00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: that through the interview. But I also feel like, to

1115
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 3: people's defense, I don't think she really gave it all

1116
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 3: of the color. I just gave y'all, and I wish

1117
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 3: she would have, but that was her choice not to.

1118
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: But I don't look at her that way, like I

1119
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 3: don't nothing about baby vis Biblica a fox, and nothing

1120
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 3: about her. I don't know.

1121
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 2: Have y'all ever remember her?

1122
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 3: She is queen. We talked back, y'all need to have

1123
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 3: her on here. She's like you not getting around her

1124
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 3: like I promise you, like she's very strongly not just

1125
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 3: happy to be anywhere you're happy to have her like that,

1126
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 3: and everything about her exudes that, you know, the way

1127
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 3: we were brought up, where it's like baby I am woman,

1128
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 3: Like who got that? You know what I mean? Yeah,

1129
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 3: so I think so No, to answer your question, I

1130
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: don't think that about her. I think that people are

1131
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: picking it up that way. I also think people like

1132
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 3: to just fuck with her as well too, because she

1133
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: gives y'all, y'all can't sit with me, so people love

1134
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: to remind her like now we're sitting next to you.

1135
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 2: Right, And then she was It looked like she was

1136
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 2: going through airport security or something when they were asking

1137
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: these questions. It wasn't like she had a lot of

1138
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 2: time to explain herself. I felt like it wasn't you

1139
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 2: know she was she didn't.

1140
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: I mean, those clips are quick, like you get a

1141
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,920
Speaker 3: TMZ clip, you getting a good two minutes to two

1142
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 3: minutes to fifty depending on what you're saying. She signed

1143
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 3: autographs coming out of the building. They clipped quick clips.

1144
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: But I don't think that the world really gets to

1145
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: feel what she's trying to say because she's not going

1146
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 3: to depth about it, which for me is like that's

1147
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 3: just gonna make it worse. I don't know. I hope

1148
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 3: that my interview ain't make it even worse.

1149
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: Though, No, I don't think it didn't. It didn't the

1150
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: original TMZ at the airport, I really didn't. I didn't

1151
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 1: really feel any type of way about what she said then,

1152
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: But once I saw the interview with you, it gave

1153
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: a little bit and more definition. But like you said,

1154
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: not enough like your explanation of the behind the scenes conversation,

1155
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 1: Like I definitely don't. I'm not calling her the op

1156
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: at all. I don't see that Vivoca Fox that type

1157
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: of woman. I definitely think she is for the people.

1158
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: But she was definitely trying to keep it cute.

1159
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 3: She was. I think her keeping cute her keeping cute

1160
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: is like I think it could be a little detrimental

1161
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 3: in my personal opinion, it could be a little detrimental

1162
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: to her because for her to be such a legend

1163
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 3: and an icon and to have when I say, like

1164
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: I was only there for but so much time, but

1165
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 3: I just felt like wow, like you know, she's a

1166
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 3: big sister in TV you need for real, because she

1167
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 3: would have been in ith On like a real high

1168
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 3: level best of the best, count her coin, get her money,

1169
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: and she's living peacefully right now. I think it does

1170
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 3: a disservice to you know, like just our legacy as

1171
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,719
Speaker 3: Brown girls on our grind, And that's what I want

1172
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 3: those conversations to be. That's why I'm so excited to

1173
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 3: be able to sit down with her, because I don't

1174
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: think if there's like a place right now that gives

1175
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: us like that conversation of like naw, that's your big

1176
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: sister for real, Like if gonna be honest, it might

1177
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: hurt you a little bit. And when I was at

1178
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: Breakfast Club, for some reason, I felt like I kept

1179
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 3: getting phone into those type of conversations and I was

1180
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 3: learning so much about myself in them, Like when we

1181
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,720
Speaker 3: did the Ebony k when we did that Carrie Champion,

1182
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: when we did you know, like so many other conversations,

1183
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I like this space.

1184
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of people.

1185
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 3: Need to hear this like on a like for real,

1186
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 3: for real. People need these like choke hold conversations for real.

1187
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: So I have a question, right, Vivica was at one

1188
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: point at the height of her career, honestly, she was

1189
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 2: dating fifty cents and people said that like that affected

1190
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 2: her brand in a negative way. And then we know

1191
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: that Karsha was connected to a Diddy and she's go

1192
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: kind of been quiet. Do you feel like the man

1193
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 2: that you're connected to can diminish your brand if she

1194
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: goes south? One hundred percent.

1195
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Because as successful as Vivica Fox was

1196
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 3: and as iconic and legendary as she is now, y'all,

1197
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: remember when Cuban Lank fifty cents girlfriend came out and

1198
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 3: tried to play play with her, little bit in the

1199
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: world had to remind the world like, no, this is

1200
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 3: vivaka foxtp Plane. She had a career for real, She's

1201
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 3: not just somebody's girlfriend. That is a perfect example of yes,

1202
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 3: that can happen because how would you ever even allow

1203
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 3: vivaka Fox to be put in that conversation of oh,

1204
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 3: you was just his past girlfriend. I'm here now. But

1205
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: when you're a woman and you're attractive and you're doing

1206
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 3: all these things, I don't know what it is, but

1207
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 3: like when you attached to a man, it overshadows so much,

1208
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 3: and it can lift you up and put you in

1209
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,439
Speaker 3: certain conversations and you know, Karsha Diddy at the met

1210
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: Gala and all that fine stuff, but at the same

1211
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 3: time disattaching the wrong way. Every time she speaks about fifty,

1212
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: they're like, oh my god, here she goes again. She's miserable,

1213
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: she wants him back, and it's like, no, she's.

1214
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 2: Doing the same thing fifty dudes.

1215
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 3: She knows that putting her show in the conversation with

1216
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,920
Speaker 3: his show, it's marketing. But she gets the bitter ex

1217
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: girlfriend fifty gets. Marketing genis like one hundred percent, and

1218
00:55:53,680 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: it makes it tough when you're trying to date because

1219
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 3: people be like, I get told right now so much,

1220
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: oh you need to have a celebrity relationship, and I'm like,

1221
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I like real niggas, that's number one, and

1222
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 3: they'd be weird the celebrity people be weird, they'll be

1223
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 3: like the real realm. But then also too, it's like,

1224
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 3: even if I did like a celebrity enough to do it,

1225
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 3: or you know, just whatever, I'm always nervous about how

1226
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: that will affect me. I don't want to just be

1227
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: someone's girlfriend. I hate that. And she talked about that too.

1228
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 3: She didn't go into detail on the interview, but Vivoka

1229
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: Fox was talking about how she had to literally take

1230
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 3: a step away from Hollywood at the height of her

1231
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: career and rebrand herself again and remind people I'm a

1232
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 3: serious actress. She had to go to theater. She had

1233
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: to go back to her roots of us, the black

1234
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 3: people who had been supporting her forever, and go back

1235
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 3: to theater and sell out shows and get agents and

1236
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 3: different people to come to those shows, because all people

1237
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: wanted to talk to her about what's her love life,

1238
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: who she was fucking, who she was dealing with, and

1239
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,359
Speaker 3: because she had played the cute, sexy, powerful girlfriend and

1240
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,359
Speaker 3: you know, all that for so long that that's where

1241
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: she lived and she didn't like it, and she knew

1242
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 3: she could do way more, but she had to fight

1243
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 3: all over again to remain name men don't go through No,

1244
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 3: Michael B. Jordan ain't had to go back to theater.

1245
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 1: Since why do y'all think that is?

1246
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 2: Though?

1247
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: Why do y'all think that happened to Vivica Fox in

1248
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: that way? Because I mean we're talking about fifty cent.

1249
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: We ain't talking about like some ranky, dank ass dude.

1250
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: So why do y'all think that even happened to her?

1251
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Like why did her career like seemingly dwindled some after

1252
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 1: her relationship with the with fifty Cent? I don't understand.

1253
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: It was that moment when she was on stage when

1254
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: it was an award show and fifty cent was performing

1255
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 2: and Vivica was up there with them little short song

1256
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: as a pretty much a background dancer for fifty cent.

1257
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 2: I think that was when all the ship changed for her. Honestly.

1258
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's ben a lot of stuff about that relationship

1259
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 3: that I didn't really I guess because I was like

1260
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 3: yo too, But like it was something with like she

1261
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: like when they when she wanted like to talk to him,

1262
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 3: like I guess, so she was shooting her shots, she

1263
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 3: like showing about his house or something like that too.

1264
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 3: Like there was like a couple of different things.

1265
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: So she has ten years older than him. Also, Yeah,

1266
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: so I think.

1267
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 3: Maybe it was maybe the approach. But in my opinion,

1268
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 3: I feel like the world loves to put black women

1269
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 3: in this space of like reminding us you, like, don't

1270
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 3: forget Okay, it's so cute.

1271
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: You're doing good, but not too much.

1272
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,800
Speaker 3: Not too much, Okay, remember you need us, We don't

1273
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: need you. And with black men, even though black men

1274
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 3: go through what they go through, I have this argument

1275
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 3: all the time with black men about black men have

1276
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: a certain It's like, even though the world precedes them

1277
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 3: a certain way, and you know, they can be looked

1278
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: at as aggressive, they them or whatever whatever, if you

1279
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 3: are black men and with power and money and influence

1280
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 3: and you look good, lend to you even Yeah, even

1281
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 3: though they trying to like control you with puppet springs,

1282
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: puppet strings, they lend to you a little bit different

1283
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 3: than they do a black woman. As a black woman,

1284
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 3: if you look good and you're powerful, they you can't

1285
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 3: do one of the two. You can't actually be talented

1286
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 3: men be fire and smart, look good, it's smart, and

1287
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: be dating somebody popping. It's like, oh no, that's just

1288
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 3: his girlfriend, right, Like that's just all it is.

1289
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: I've seen some white people on ex call Megan Marco lazy.

1290
00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, what, like what constituted her being lazy because

1291
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: she's am Loto mixed black woman, Like, what does she

1292
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: do to be lazy? To y'all? She's the fucking she's

1293
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,920
Speaker 1: royalty at this point.

1294
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 2: She's from where she's from.

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Speaker 3: That's why it's like she doesn't deserve. She just lays

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Speaker 3: on her back and be with that man and that's

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Speaker 3: her career.

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Speaker 2: And that's so what.

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Speaker 3: Like what she supposed to be because the Royal Housewives

1300
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: of New York, no white woman.

1301
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: Is living green.

1302
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: And all a fraud. Okay, let's be clear anyway, So

1303
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 1: in a world where like my truth is I talk

1304
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: about this all the time, my truth. This is my truth,

1305
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: like everybody's truth is the truth? Like, how important is

1306
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: it to you as a journalist, because even with just

1307
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: a podcast, like we are essentially journalists, how important is

1308
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: it to you to make sure that you're being that

1309
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: you're reporting the truth.

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01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 3: It's always it's like it's that or nothing for me

1311
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 3: even now, So like with Brown Girl Grinding, we do

1312
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 3: a lot of like content that like causes engagement in conversations,

1313
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 3: and our biggest exclusives like that we're going to like

1314
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: really hone in and focus in on this year are

1315
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 3: the interviews because I just feel like it gives a

1316
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: different voice to news than just me posting a tweet

1317
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: or whatever. But if I'm following a story the way

1318
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: that I've been brought up in this through my boot

1319
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 3: camp at TMZ, oh it's factual, I'm not even touching it.

1320
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 3: Like there are certain things that people will reach out

1321
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 3: to me and be like, oh, why I talk about this,

1322
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 3: Why you're not covering unless I'm about to do something

1323
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 3: opinion based, And I think some stuff doesn't deserve an opinion.

1324
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: Some stuff deserves facts, factual review. I'm not touching it

1325
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 3: because as a journalist, like who's really doing this? That's

1326
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 3: all I have is the fact that you'll be able

1327
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: to back check what I said and it's true. But

1328
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 3: also just like if you look at a TMZ in

1329
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: the business model there they have built their brand and

1330
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 3: you can't get around them because it's truthful, it's vetted,

1331
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,880
Speaker 3: and they're the first to tell you about it. So

1332
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 3: now you go to them knowing you trust them. All

1333
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: I have as a journalist like right now, I'm literally

1334
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,000
Speaker 3: working for myself, Like I am every single day getting

1335
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: up and doing something for myself that is causing income, conversation,

1336
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: brand building, whatever. One hundred percent. I don't work for

1337
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 3: anyone but myself. Even when I work with other brands.

1338
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 3: It's a new space for me.

1339
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, I.

1340
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 3: Want to be a person that people look at and

1341
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:41,479
Speaker 3: they trust and they're like, oh, she's talking about it, it

1342
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: must gets something to pay attention to. If she's putting

1343
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: facts out for the first time, we can trust what

1344
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: she's saying. The minute that you do that and it's

1345
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,000
Speaker 3: not truthful, or you plan around with your platform from

1346
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: the world that I'm trying to build in, people can't,

1347
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 3: like we don't even know where to go now, Like

1348
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: we don't know if it's vetted, we don't know if

1349
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: it's real, and there's so much bullshit it fake stuff

1350
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 3: on it too. And because I'm solely I'm just social

1351
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,280
Speaker 3: media based, Like I don't have a website, I don't

1352
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: have a line on TV show yet, So all I

1353
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: have is to be like that one person in the

1354
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 3: world of all this noise that can bring you some

1355
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 3: truth and some insight and some in depth conversations. That's

1356
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: why I'm leaning with it. So it's one hundred percent

1357
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 3: like it's truthful, factual, fact checking or nothing.

1358
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: So all your feelings are out when you when you

1359
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:28,320
Speaker 1: reporting on the news, it's nothing personal. Ever, No, that's not.

1360
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 3: Always true, because I'm human, So you would you want

1361
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 3: it to be that way when you're reporting certain things.

1362
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 3: But because you're human, you're you're human. Bias is always

1363
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 3: going to come in to a certain extent. I do

1364
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 3: try and be as neutral as I can, and I'm

1365
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: learning to be better at that because I think a

1366
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 3: lot of times when I do leave with emotion, depending

1367
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 3: on what it is, it's because I feel like a

1368
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 3: lot of times I'm speaking for people that like might

1369
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 3: not ever get to seek that I'm in, Like you

1370
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 3: might not get to talk to Ebony k or you

1371
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 3: might not get to talk to a bit of a fox,

1372
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,080
Speaker 3: or you might not you know, get to if there's

1373
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: like I I forget which school shooting it was. I'm

1374
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: so sad that there are so many of them, but

1375
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 3: probably like two months ago there was a school shooting

1376
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 3: that happened and I was going back and for foot

1377
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 3: LA enforcement sources, just you know, reporting things as they

1378
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 3: were coming out. And I remember one of the public

1379
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 3: information officers called me and was like, what platform are

1380
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 3: you with and I was like my own brown girl

1381
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: grinding and he was like, you should be working somewhere,

1382
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 3: like you're so like on it. Like every single time

1383
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: they released something, when I saw it somewhere else, if

1384
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 3: I didn't report it first, I called and say, hey,

1385
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:31,480
Speaker 3: I just want to confirm this before I go with it,

1386
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 3: you know, and he was like, we really appreciate that

1387
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 3: because these families are impacted by the news and the

1388
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 3: media and people don't understand that. And that was like

1389
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: such a like Okay, I got this, you know, like

1390
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: I could do this for me on my own because

1391
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,200
Speaker 3: I removed myself from it and I was factual. But

1392
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't know what it's like

1393
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 3: to lose a kid to a school shooting, but and

1394
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: being sensitive to that, I do want to put a

1395
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 3: little emotion in it when I'm reported on it, But

1396
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 3: you just got to know when the right time is.

1397
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 3: So like the Chris Brown reacting or me reacting to

1398
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: Chris Brown situation that you brought up earlier, that's all

1399
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 3: me that's all opinion. That's my emotion, that's how I feel.

1400
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 3: But if I'm talking about something that is like an actual,

1401
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: you know, something that like the facts are there, I

1402
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 3: can't get around it, and I'll make it. I might

1403
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 3: still get my opinion, but you'll know when the switch happens.

1404
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Speaker 1: Like the only don't she said, the only tailor we

1405
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,600
Speaker 1: recognizes tailor port. Bitch, I said, what.

1406
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 2: What' telling?

1407
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 3: Y'all?

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01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: Right, that's the only tailor.

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01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 2: Act Like we've been on this tailor and tailor report

1410
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Speaker 2: and that's it. Like I was trying to stop.

1411
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: Tail report is straight. They're trash.

1412
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 3: But you know it though you have little Sippy said,

1413
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 3: everybody has drinks.

1414
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 2: Church. I won't mess with that.

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01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: That's what y'all be getting at church during commune. That

1416
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 1: damn teleport.

1417
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 2: I wish to be a buzz.

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 3: But even that, though there was a lot of factual

1419
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 3: stuff in the full video, like I took actual facts

1420
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 3: and reports or whatever, but then you got you got,

1421
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 3: you know, I got a little.

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01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you do you consider yourself a millennial?

1423
01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: Are you a millennial?

1424
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: Yes?

1425
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 3: I don't even I don't know. I guess.

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01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1427
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 3: So when people will be sitting all that stuff. I

1428
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 3: don't know how the age brackens.

1429
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 2: Were you born before ninety seven?

1430
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: Yes, I was born in ninety one.

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01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh okay, so yeah, yeah, she's definitely who. So

1432
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: what do you believe are some of the most pressing

1433
01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:46,600
Speaker 1: issues facing millennials today and how do you approach covering

1434
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: these issues in your reporting?

1435
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Speaker 3: I think race, gender wars politics, but not just like

1436
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,959
Speaker 3: making people go out and vote. I think making people

1437
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: actually understand what the fuck is going on, like on

1438
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 3: a yeah, like what's going on and doing it in

1439
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: a bite sized way as a person that like I

1440
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 3: don't have a political background, but like I have to

1441
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:13,200
Speaker 3: go and vote, I have to know certain things just

1442
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 3: to be a person civil person in the world. So

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01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 3: I think that that's like an issue too, that there's

1444
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 3: like a big fall off between all these smart people

1445
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 3: who know everything and can like get on CNN and

1446
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 3: be analysts and like the everyday person who really needs

1447
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,960
Speaker 3: to go and vote for their prosecutor locally, like those things.

1448
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 3: I think the world of like business and business like

1449
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 3: creation and branding is also like an issue with us.

1450
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't really have too many friends who work regular jobs.

1451
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 3: All my friends are creatives or like own their own businesses.

1452
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 3: Even my friends who do work regular jobs, their regular

1453
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 3: jobs are requiring them to know what's going on in

1454
01:06:49,560 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 3: the pulse of creativity, especially if they're black. If you're

1455
01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 3: black and you working for these big corporations, baby, they

1456
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 3: want you to sing rap ac dance, do ex social

1457
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 3: media numbers all of that.

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, social media.

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01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 3: That so because you come in and you are the

1460
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 3: culture in these rooms. So I think that that's also

1461
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: a big thing as well too, is like us just

1462
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: understanding navigating like financially like as a business owner where

1463
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: that can put you being able to like partner with

1464
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 3: these organizations. I guess that's called capitalism, like us understanding

1465
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 3: how we can use that to better ourselves, because I

1466
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 3: think our generation of people are so like, fuck the man,

1467
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: we don't need that job, you know what I mean.

1468
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 3: I build my own table, and yeah, I want all

1469
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 3: of us to be building our own tables. But the

1470
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 3: table gotta get bigger and it got to scale and

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01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: order for us to really do this shit for real,

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: for real, and we need a lot of us in

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,040
Speaker 3: rooms that are like at the head of the LB

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01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 3: and LB MHS, you know. So I think that that's

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01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 3: also something big and podcast mics w meen. I think

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01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 3: that that's a big issue.

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Speaker 1: Fation like gas, like.

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 3: Toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 1: This is my last question. This is in reference to

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Speaker 1: like social media, and because I read an article that

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01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: said most millennials then you know, they get forty five

1482
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: percent of their news from social media. So we have

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01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: platforms like X for example, which you know there's a

1484
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 1: lot of independent journalists on X rather than should be

1485
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: true or not, it's that for you to have discernment

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01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: and decipher. So how do you see the role of

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01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 1: social media shaping modern journalism practices.

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01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 3: I've talked about this at a panel ardy during Grammy Weekend.

1489
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 3: I think that it's gonna make it where, you know

1490
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 3: how like the I always think with myself as like

1491
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 3: a rap artist, we too have no mix. But just

1492
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 3: like in terms of career, the way that you have

1493
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 3: to position yourself when you are talented, the way that

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01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 3: social media is already changing news media and how people

1495
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: receive it is the same way when people started stepping

1496
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: away from labels and saying I want to be independent,

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01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: I just want to distribution deal. It's literally going to

1498
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 3: be that eventually. But the issue is that you have

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01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 3: all these people who are on social and they can

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01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 3: sweep whatever they want, do whatever they want, and present

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01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: things as facts and it not be facts right, or

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01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 3: it be an augmented fact like through AI or through

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01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,640
Speaker 3: personal opinion, emotion whatever. And a lot of times these

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01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 3: people are not bettert journalists that they don't have the

1505
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 3: background people understand how to check a source, how to

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01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 3: like you know, there's a lot that goes into this

1507
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 3: nuance of reporting news and being a news personality and

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01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 3: just a person that drives conversation around culture in general.

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Speaker 3: So I think what we're going to see is is

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01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 3: that eventually the CNNs and all that stuff, it's happening already,

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Speaker 3: they're going to be trying to keep up with the

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 3: people that become the faces and the names on the

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01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 3: tiktoks and the twitters and the Instagrams and the you know,

1514
01:09:56,800 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 3: like in that space. Don Lemon, who got fired from

1515
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 3: CEE and the announced it he's doing the show, but he's.

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Speaker 1: Doing it on X Tucker Cross.

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 3: Tucker Cross and so many people have just like they

1518
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 3: xed out the middleman and they get the distribution through

1519
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 3: platforms and sponsors and advertising to make it bigger and

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Speaker 3: to scale larger. So I think that is going to

1521
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 3: become the new normal, and the people that are early

1522
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 3: on it are going to become the breakout voices. That

1523
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 3: was a big part of me leaving my job, just

1524
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 3: seeing that that was a thing and knowing that I

1525
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,479
Speaker 3: could do it. It's not easy. It is very tough

1526
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 3: because it takes a lot of consistency. It takes a

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01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 3: lot of finance as well, so you've got to have

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 3: a good partner, the backing. Still, I'm looking for all that,

1529
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: and y'all out there and y'll like, y'all fuck with her.

1530
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:38,559
Speaker 3: I want to, you know, throw some dollars in my

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01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 3: way to help this scale up. I'm gonna grinding scale up.

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01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 3: But I think that eventually, like it's going to be

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01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: a rise of like creators and content creators who are

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01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:49,280
Speaker 3: telling news and like putting stuff into the world. And

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01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 3: it won'ted to be traditional, like they won't just sit

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01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 3: and report it. It's going to be so many different ways,

1537
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 3: and those platforms will be to go to over like

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01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 3: a TMZ or a CNN or whatever, and the best

1539
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:03,839
Speaker 3: platforms will see that it's like to change and pivot.

1540
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 3: Like I even noticed at TMZ since I left, things

1541
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 3: that they're doing differently, Like even though what they're going,

1542
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: like I knew leaving what I needed to do in

1543
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 3: order to be still keeping myself right next to them,

1544
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 3: Like I'm not as big of a platform, but they

1545
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 3: don't have my voice. They don't have There's a lot

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 3: that I knew I left with, so I use what

1547
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 3: I knew that they weren't doing to structure what I

1548
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:24,960
Speaker 3: wanted to do so I could still kind of, you know,

1549
01:11:25,040 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 3: be right there at it. But I'm like, oh, they

1550
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 3: waking up a little bit, Like they hit in social

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01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: media as soon as the stories are publishing and like

1552
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 3: all that stuff. They weren't social media first, they were

1553
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:35,920
Speaker 3: website first. But the website is still there. So a

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01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 3: lot of platforms are going to come around. But that's

1555
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 3: what it's going to be. Like your lead news person

1556
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 3: is going to be such and such an X and

1557
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 3: you know, like what academics is doing, but like a

1558
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 3: more vetted version of it that you can really trust

1559
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 3: and not just him screaming at his phone.

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01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: At like tide out in his fucking basement somewhere.

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01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: I got one more question for you, Lauren, What advice

1563
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 2: would you give I don't want a young person trying

1564
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 2: to get into journalism and they're just starting out and

1565
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: they're afraid and they don't know what to do. What

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01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 2: advice would you give them?

1567
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 3: I always tell people to start where you are, So

1568
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 3: don't wait until you got the job, you moved out

1569
01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: of the state to the state that you want to

1570
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 3: move to or whatever. Start where you are. Interview your friends,

1571
01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:20,719
Speaker 3: Interview to people that are doing something around you. Get

1572
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:23,599
Speaker 3: good at, like knowing how to produce. If you're starting

1573
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,040
Speaker 3: where you are and you're putting out content, you're developing

1574
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,920
Speaker 3: ideas and angles and all that, you're learning how to produce,

1575
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:30,960
Speaker 3: and that there's no way you can live and breathe

1576
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 3: in this space and not be a producer. Also, that's

1577
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:37,559
Speaker 3: number one. Number two is to like really just understand

1578
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: what is the story that you want to tell That

1579
01:12:39,479 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 3: won't come instantly. I'm just now realizing with this last

1580
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,799
Speaker 3: year where I think my voice is strongest and lending

1581
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: myself to that and building a brand around it, it

1582
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 3: will take time. So don't be afraid to try things

1583
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: and be afraid to get on different platforms if it's

1584
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 3: not the job you want. Like people will be like

1585
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 3: should I start in local news? It's so boring, it's

1586
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 3: not the shade room. Hell yeah, it's a job. It's

1587
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,479
Speaker 3: gonna put you on camera. It's gonna teach you things.

1588
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 3: There's so many different tools that you need, like you

1589
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 3: need to there's so many different things you just need

1590
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 3: to know how to do on and off camera that

1591
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,599
Speaker 3: you don't learn it until you do as much experience. Yes,

1592
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 3: like when I'm a personality and I'm navigating new spaces,

1593
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 3: like breakfast club was new new for me, like I

1594
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 3: had never been on a platform for that long of

1595
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: a time where like I'm a full blown personality, and

1596
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,839
Speaker 3: the first day I was there, I remember thinking like, okay,

1597
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:34,000
Speaker 3: today was cool. But as a producer, what were the

1598
01:13:34,040 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: things that I didn't do well that would have made

1599
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 3: the producer's job easier when it comes to making the

1600
01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: show good? Like what did I realized? I realized, like, Yo,

1601
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,000
Speaker 3: they're really good as hell what they do in real life.

1602
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 3: I don't think people give it to Charlomagne Amy.

1603
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: Yes, they're good it well.

1604
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 3: Bro like they just be like like off the top,

1605
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: like so like you know, I was like, okay, comebacks,

1606
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 3: I thought my comebacks were cool for the TMZ room.

1607
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,240
Speaker 3: But that's that's a bunch of people who are like

1608
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's different when you with the culture so

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01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 3: like you know, just but having that that producer had

1610
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,600
Speaker 3: and having had it for so long at TMZ and

1611
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 3: understanding what makes people go. I started looking at myself like, Okay,

1612
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 3: what can I really lean into here to make this shit?

1613
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 3: I gotta run it up while on here because I

1614
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 3: might not be here forever. I gotta run right. So

1615
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:21,360
Speaker 3: it's important that to get all that, So don't turn

1616
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 3: out anything. Learn as much as you can. Start where

1617
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 3: you are. Put the stuff out. If you're telling me

1618
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 3: that you are a TV personality and I can't find

1619
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:32,080
Speaker 3: you on social doing anything TV personality wise in twenty

1620
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 3: twenty four, you're not a TV personality If you're a

1621
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 3: producer and you can't send me a real or there's

1622
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 3: nothing out there that I can see, you're not a producer.

1623
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:40,680
Speaker 3: But the minute that you start putting stuff out there,

1624
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 3: you are, regardless of people believe it or not. So

1625
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 3: just get started.

1626
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 2: Start start where you are. Well, thank you Lauren for

1627
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 2: joining us. Man. This was such an excellent interview. You're

1628
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 2: such a great gift we definitely want to have you back.

1629
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 3: Yes, Now, I don't call me whenever y'all need me.

1630
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 3: I'm talking back all the time.

1631
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 1: Just call me plug your period.

1632
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 3: Yes, make sure y'all go and follow me in the brand.

1633
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 3: So I am Lorne la Rosa everywhere, l O r

1634
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:19,520
Speaker 3: e n l O r O s a everywhere. That's YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, everything,

1635
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,439
Speaker 3: so on YouTube, we are documented behind the scenes. We're

1636
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 3: blogging the experience. But we also now have the Brown

1637
01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 3: gar Grinding Interview series, which we kicked off this month

1638
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 3: or yeah, it was this month. We kicked off this

1639
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 3: month with Vivaca a Fox and we have some really

1640
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,880
Speaker 3: really great brown girls on their grinding entertainment, like some

1641
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: really good names that you guys are gonna enjoy coming there.

1642
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 3: But Warna Rosa everywhere and then the brand is Brown

1643
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 3: Girl Grinding b R O w N Girl common spelling,

1644
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 3: grinding grinding common spelling as well. To follow us. I

1645
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 3: tell people that Brown Girl Grinding is like the group chat,

1646
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 3: Like we have conversations over there, we argue, we get

1647
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 3: lit together, we have a good time, but it's it's home,

1648
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 3: it's family, and we're building it out a space where

1649
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 3: you can get news, exclusives, talk back segments, all of

1650
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 3: that just a good, good old time and we do

1651
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 3: it like real cute, like for the ladies in a

1652
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: place with styling.

1653
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: Great.

1654
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds like it. Follow Thank you all.

1655
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 3: For landing the platform to me. I appreciate you for

1656
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 3: having me.

1657
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate you.

1658
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,200
Speaker 2: Thos were coming off.

1659
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 1: Millennials are creating contemporary Black history in real time, which

1660
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:27,640
Speaker 1: involves actively engaging in actions, movements, initiatives that contribute to

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01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: the advancement, recognition, and celebration of black culture. So building

1662
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: connections within the Black community and beyond is crucial for

1663
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: amplifying voices, sharing experiences, and fostering solidarity. Our partners at

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: Ate and T Dream and Black are fully aware that

1665
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 1: Black history isn't static, It's happening right now.

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01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 2: Our guest today, Lauren Lerossa, she definitely touched on that

1667
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:55,200
Speaker 2: how black millennials are becoming entrepreneurs and launching businesses and

1668
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 2: creating innovation solutions. She definitely was talking about how our parents,

1669
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, our parents would work for twenty years at

1670
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:04,480
Speaker 2: one job and stay with that job. And now millennials

1671
01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:08,559
Speaker 2: we are challenging traditional business models. And she also talked

1672
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 2: about collaborations with bigger brands and how to scale your business.

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01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 2: So that was definitely dope. Some Black millennials that I

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01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,679
Speaker 2: can think of that are definitely pushing the culture forward

1675
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:22,519
Speaker 2: right now. Pinky Coal, she has Slod Vegan. That's huge. Yeah,

1676
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 2: a vegan plant blazed Burger restaurant, you know. And she's

1677
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: it's started in Atlanta and now it's a change. She's

1678
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,040
Speaker 2: moving all over the country and she was like Time

1679
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 2: nominated for Times Top one hundred people. Then you have

1680
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,320
Speaker 2: Everett Taylor. He's the CEO of Kickstarter, which is a

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01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 2: crowdfunding app that has collected millions and millions of dollars

1682
01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: for entrepreneurs who are trying to get their creative ideas

1683
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 2: off the ground. So that's huge.

1684
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,600
Speaker 1: Okay. Chela mean a god with the Black Effect Podcast

1685
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: Network our network.

1686
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:53,439
Speaker 2: Period, Okay.

1687
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:57,360
Speaker 1: He has brought together some of the biggest voices in

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01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,519
Speaker 1: black media to spread truth. Okay, we talked about truth

1689
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 1: a lot on this with this episode, so Black millennials

1690
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 1: are able to share their stories and perspectives on multiple

1691
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: podcasts across the network. Charlamagne is the founder and creator

1692
01:18:13,520 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: of this network, The Black Effect Podcast Network, which stands

1693
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: as the first podcast network tailored specifically for Black listeners. Okay,

1694
01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 1: we ain't trying to exclude nobody, but yes for us,

1695
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: by us bring it together, diverse and trusted voices within

1696
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 1: the culture, and fostering a platform for representation and connection

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,879
Speaker 1: where Black millennials can share their stories.

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 2: Like I said, all right, so before we go, let's

1699
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 2: discuss how me and you and we talk back, how

1700
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:45,879
Speaker 2: we can continue to support black creators and amplify our voices.

1701
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: Were gonna keep talking, We're gonna keep talking back.

1702
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:48,759
Speaker 3: Okay.

1703
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:52,439
Speaker 2: I think we got to keep bringing on good guests

1704
01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:56,760
Speaker 2: from all different walks of life. You know, different entrepreneurs,

1705
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: women who are like we just did the segment with

1706
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 2: women who are happy married, different people in STEM. You know,

1707
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,360
Speaker 2: I don't know about STEM, so you know things like that.

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01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 2: I think that's an adult way that we can definitely

1709
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 2: amplify our voices and push the culture for it.

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right, So y'all to learn more about AT

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Speaker 1: and T and their initiatives with aighteen T Dreaming Black,

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01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 1: y'all visit AT and T dot com Dreaming Black to

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Speaker 1: learn more about the visionaries. Eighteen T Dreaming Black is

1714
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: honoring and celebrating this month and how you can enter

1715
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 1: to win by sharing your story. Black Effect podcast demonstrates

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01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: commitments to underrepresented voices in media and beyond, under the

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01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:40,559
Speaker 1: belief that connecting changes everything. Now, y'all listen. If you

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01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: enjoyed this episode, y'all, tune in every Thursday on the

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app, wherever you get your podcasts at. This is

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Speaker 1: your co host AJ Holiday kick a Tam.

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Speaker 2: Y'all, its official tam vam. I love y'all once again, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all for tuning in. Remember to speak.

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Speaker 1: Now and never hold your peace.

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Speaker 2: Are your voice ever.

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Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.