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Speaker 2: I didn't want this shutdown. I wanted to end, but

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Speaker 1: Some difficult, hard moments belong.

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Speaker 3: So the bottom line is the Democrats went into this

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Speaker 4: You cannot put that and you cannot keep Clocketts together.

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Speaker 5: If he cannot keep this crocket together, he needs a dot.

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Speaker 6: I didn't fully understand how he under the rig.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to just.

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Speaker 7: Move past this shut down without drawing some attention to

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Speaker 7: some things that happen that are important during that time.

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Speaker 7: Ohio Senator Bernie Moreno, a Republican, called out Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 7: on the Senate floor over the Democrat proposal that would

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Speaker 7: send Obamacare subsidies to millionaires. Now, Republicans aren't the party

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Speaker 7: of the poor, but neither are the Democrats. The Democrats

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Speaker 8: So for one year, people making millions of dollars still

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Speaker 9: The bottom line is the senator from Ohio ignores that

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Speaker 9: We can fix what the gentleman said in a negotiation,

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Speaker 9: I know that the Senator from Ohio cares about the billionaires.

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Speaker 8: So just to be clear, just to be presidents, So

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Speaker 8: He acknowledged that the Democrats have actually not put forward

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Speaker 7: We played this audio already, but I want to play

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Speaker 1: But I know a lot of Republicans. I know a

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Speaker 5: Democrats simply don't have the coldheartedness necessary to see people

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Speaker 4: He was the most powerful president with Republicans in my lifetime.

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Speaker 6: After Democrats admit that the Democratic plan to prolong the

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Speaker 6: shutdown was causing quote suffering. That was their words, not mine.

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Speaker 7: About who is and isn't mean, because this is apparently

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Speaker 7: One uniquely qualified person to talk about who is meaner

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Speaker 4: The Republicans have been very kind to me from the beginning,

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Speaker 11: why did you turn on the Democrats? Well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I know all about. Ramon wants to know what around

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Speaker 1: the world is.

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Speaker 1: Stick or one single whistling kiddy chaser.

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Speaker 7: With the longest government shut down on an American history over,

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Speaker 1: He talked about it on his podcast, Hello.

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Speaker 12: America. You're listening to the number twelve most popular.

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Speaker 1: Podcast just out of Canada, and we are to outing

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Speaker 1: to happiness. Who's got the swag of who's got the

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Speaker 9: He's the main mad.

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Speaker 12: Super excited today if.

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Speaker 1: We felt like good times, come on.

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Speaker 12: The government is back open after forty three days of darkness.

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Speaker 1: Time for walls of plow.

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Speaker 12: For Republicans. You can shut up because the shutdown is over.

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Speaker 1: No thanks to you.

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Speaker 12: Now, I did have my assistant Bruise, take a pole

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Speaker 12: Listen, it's a well known fact on the Voice of

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Speaker 1: You know, the manly man.

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Speaker 12: So allow the old ball coach to explain this in

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Speaker 1: You see, the.

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Speaker 12: Democrats, we move the baseball right down the field and

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Speaker 1: We grabbed the ball laid it up for a home run.

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Speaker 12: You see, we shot a triple and made more runs

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Speaker 7: To the impacts of the shutdown are being reported as follows.

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Speaker 1: Forty two million in.

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Speaker 7: Million federal workers missed paychecks, and fifteen billion dollars lost

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Speaker 7: We know that shutdown. Schumer worked very hard behind the

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Speaker 7: You're the one that they want, and you're not going

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Speaker 1: They have to keep you on edge.

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Speaker 10: Well, lucky you.

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Speaker 7: We welcome to the program, Great and powerful Ray Willy

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Speaker 7: Hubbard on his seventy ninth birthday.

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Speaker 1: Happy birthday, my friend.

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Speaker 10: Oh thank you man, Michael.

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Speaker 1: How are you It's been a while, It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How are you doing? It's your birthday?

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Speaker 10: Well, I'm probably doing better than I deserve, as they say, I.

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Speaker 1: Should have looked this up. But remind me, is it Soper, Oklahoma?

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Speaker 10: Soper, Oklahoma?

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Speaker 7: And everybody has their their first guitar story. It's usually

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Speaker 10: Well, I think my mom bought me one, and I

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Speaker 7: Yeah, how about that? And how did you learn them?

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just heard My Maria two days ago.

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Speaker 10: Probably not. You know, I feel very fortunate it started

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Speaker 10: Russey said did, It doesn't matter, I'll go on first.

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Speaker 10: You know, there wasn't any big ego about top billing.

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Speaker 10: In fact, they have a few beers when I became

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Speaker 7: Best stories, right, guy Michael Berry's show, legendary personality, friend

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Speaker 7: of Willie Nelson and every Texan Ray. Willy Hubbard is

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Speaker 7: our guest. It's his birthday. I know Willie thinks the

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Speaker 10: Yeah. We uh, well, you know.

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Speaker 7: He was. Uh.

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Speaker 10: Leon was you know at some back in those days

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Speaker 10: when Willy had his picnic, you know, Leon would sit

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 7: You know, I think my favorite Robert o' keene story

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Speaker 7: invited to come and meet Willie on his bus but

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00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 7: they're leaving to go jam with Leon Russell and you know,

442
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 7: all these years later the highwaymen recorded his song.

443
00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: So it all made it, It all made.

444
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 10: It, okay, Yeah, it was just you know, I say,

445
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 10: Willie's picnic was just an incredible you know. Uh, you know,

446
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 10: you know, I'm pretty strange, but it was, you know,

447
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 10: there was there wasn't any you know, we uh I'm

448
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 10: playing and so you know, I remember when Willie the

449
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 10: first time played Caesar's Palace in Lake Tahoe. He called

450
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 10: me and said, hey, man, you want to a couple

451
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 10: of play Caesar's Palace with me? And I said yeah,

452
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 10: and uh but anyha, they said, well they didn't have

453
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 10: opening acts in the main room, so we said, well,

454
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 10: won't you play in the lounge? So we set up

455
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 10: in the lounge and all these people were being line

456
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 10: to see Willie. Well, will It is over on the

457
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 10: side of the stage, sitting on an ampland guitar with me.

458
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 10: You know, I said, don't kill anybody. You know, they

459
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 10: could have just come in the lound and seen Willie

460
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 10: roight there right. But you know it was you know,

461
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 10: there there wasn't any There wasn't a lot of ego

462
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 10: involved with you know, once you kind of became a

463
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 10: member of the group.

464
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Speaker 7: You know, well, I've noticed with you, perhaps more than

465
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 7: anybody else that I came in contract contact with through

466
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 7: the RCC days and through chasing my music across the state.

467
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: Is there's no ego?

468
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 7: Is there is that intentional? Or is that just kind

469
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 7: of your personality? Did you make a decision one day, Hey,

470
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 7: I don't want to be like that guy.

471
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 10: Well it's a thing too. All of a sudden, I think,

472
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 10: keeping my gratitude higher than my expectations, that's one thing.

473
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 10: And then all of a sudden, really, uh, you know

474
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 10: it's it's writing these songs. Well, like I say, and

475
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 10: also I'll send you write this song and I'll say,

476
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 10: you say, man, it's a great song. I'll send you

477
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 10: walk into a club and all of a sudden, mcmurker goes,

478
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 10: here's a song I wrote, and you go, oh, you know,

479
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 10: so it keeps you humble, you know, among all the songwriters.

480
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 10: So you know, you couldn't couldn't get a big ego,

481
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 10: you know, because there's always you know, Guy or Towns

482
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 10: or Billy Joe, you know, writing these incredible songs and

483
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 10: U and one of the one of the great things

484
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 10: that comes up and says, hey man, I like that

485
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 10: little song that was aggression.

486
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 3: You know.

487
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 10: It wasn't an eagle thing. It was a self esteem

488
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 10: thing that hey man, you know I got Kevin Welch

489
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:41,199
Speaker 10: dug one of my.

490
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: Songs, you know, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, that makes sense.

491
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 7: You mentioned Jerry Jeff Walker, and I know that y'all

492
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 7: had quite the association.

493
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: What did it do for you?

494
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 7: In seventy three when he records Up Against the Wall Rednickmother,

495
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 7: which of course you'd written.

496
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Speaker 10: Well, well, it gave me a middle name.

497
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 8: You know.

498
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 10: I was Ray Hubbard up before that, but then Bob

499
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 10: Blumingston on the album said this, I was by Ray

500
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 10: Willy Hubbard, you know, So all of a sudden and

501
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 10: and Jerry's regularly. We wanted to take that off the

502
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 10: record because they said, well, if they hear this on

503
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 10: the radio, they think that's Ray Waller Hubbert's singing, and

504
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 10: Jerry goes, I don't care leave it on there. So

505
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 10: for one thing, I got a middle name. Also, I

506
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 10: was Ray Wally Hubbert then and at the time it

507
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 10: was now, and that was the only thing I was

508
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 10: known for, you know, red neck mothers. I do these

509
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 10: old honkey talks and I'd walk on stage and they

510
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 10: go play red neck mother and I play red deck

511
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 10: mother and I go, here's another and so yeah, it

512
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 10: was kind of a not an alvatro, but it was

513
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 10: the only thing I was known for a while. And

514
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 10: today you know, I still do it, but it's fun.

515
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 10: So I got a you know, pretty strong arsenal. You

516
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 10: know with drunken poet snake form.

517
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 7: You do, you have a very strong meersenal. I've told

518
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 7: the story many times over the years. Ray Wild Hubert

519
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 7: is our guest by the way of how you helped

520
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 7: me get Tony Joe White. He wouldn't return our calls

521
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 7: and then he called you and said, who is this

522
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 7: guy Michael Berry? And why does he want me to

523
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 7: come play his place, and what is it? And you said, yes, yes,

524
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 7: you must play his place. And then I'm leaned against

525
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 7: a wall and somebody comes up and standing right over

526
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 7: my shoulder, but hidden around the wall. So nobody said.

527
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 7: And you had driven in to see him play. And

528
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 7: I asked you why he took your advice to heart

529
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 7: like that, because that was quite a leap of faith.

530
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 7: And you told a great story. Would you mind telling

531
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 7: that again?

532
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 10: Well, remind me of which story that was.

533
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Well, he I guess.

534
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 7: I guess you were down and out and you needed

535
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 7: some cash and he bought the remainder of your studio sessions.

536
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, he was, you know, telling Joe just always.

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 10: He was one of those guys like Cherry Chip and

538
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 10: really Joe who really respected other songwriters, you know. And

539
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 10: so I remember I called him. I think you called

540
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 10: me and said, yeah, I sure, I get Tony Joe here,

541
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 10: and I said, well, you know, and he wouldn't ask us.

542
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 10: I call Tony Joe said, Tony Joey says place down

543
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 10: there and you know ground Houston, you know, And I said,

544
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 10: you know. He said, well I don't know about that.

545
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 10: I said, no, man, I think you'll dig it, you know,

546
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 10: and uh so he said, okay, I'll do it. Then.

547
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 10: You know, Tony, Tony Joe is just one of those

548
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 10: great cats. I'll tell you a great Tony Joe's story.

549
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 10: So Tony Joe was playing by Briton Grew Festival. So

550
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 10: he shows up and Tony Joe was the first cat.

551
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 10: We're just a guy and of drummer, you know, before

552
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,959
Speaker 10: the wife stripes or the black keys, you know, guitar

553
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 10: and drums. So Tony Joe shows up at my festival

554
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 10: and he's with this guy and you know, walking back

555
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 10: me and I go, hey, Tony Joe goes all good

556
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 10: to be here. I said, who's this? Said? This isn't

557
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 10: my drummer fleet Wood And I go, really, I said,

558
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,479
Speaker 10: how y'all meet? He said. They both started laughing. He said, oh,

559
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 10: I just I went to the institution checked him out

560
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 10: for the weekend. We just never been back.

561
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: I love the old great stories.

562
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I mean that's so. But yeah, I'm telling

563
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 10: you Joe, I remember, Yeah, that was really a three

564
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 10: old Yeah. If he tough plays, I want to come

565
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 10: down to open for him, you know, got to hang out,

566
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 10: you know.

567
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 7: Well it was it was very kind of you, and

568
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 7: and and you and mother Hubbard were very kind to

569
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 7: us in landing us Uncle Lucius for your relationship to

570
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 7: Kevin who looks up to you and and has Carl

571
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 7: and and all these folks that looked up to you

572
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 7: and her uh and still do as as you know,

573
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 7: the godfather and the guy that could be trusted, the

574
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 7: guy that would give him good advice, and you always

575
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 7: always said good things.

576
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: And it opened a lot of doors for us. So

577
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: a very happy birthday to you, Ray Willy Hubbard, Thank

578
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: you very much. We just love an a door to you.

579
00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: Here's too many many more.

580
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 10: My friend, Hey, and I think we're going to be

581
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 10: playing in Houston. I don't know where, but I think

582
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 10: it's around December fourth or fifth with Shane Smith rooting

583
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 10: for Shane Smith, so stay in touch with him. Then

584
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 10: I'll put you on the guest list.

585
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: Iould love to see you.

586
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 10: I think it's I think it's around December fourth or fifth,

587
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 10: one of those days.

588
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 7: Sit in December fourth, romone Sensens fourth seven one three

589
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 7: Music Hall December fourth.

590
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, well come on, you'll give me a call.

591
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 10: We'll put your on list. I'd like to hang out

592
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 10: with you.

593
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: We'll be there and we'll send our we'll send our

594
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: folks out to support you.

595
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 10: Thank you, Brother, all right to take care man ideas.

596
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: Thank you and good night