WEBVTT - Episode 74: Prepping for Tournament Golf 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.320 The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.040 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.120 --> 0:00:06.560 hit any shot I kind of want. 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:08.440 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.600 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.360 Hey, hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds podcast. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.880 I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by my man Marty 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.759 Jerts and Marty. We talk a lot of equipment on 0:00:18.800 --> 0:00:21.919 this podcast. We talk a lot about ping gear on 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.080 this podcast. Today we're gonna be selfish. We're gonna talk 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.280 a little bit about ourselves on this podcast. I want 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:33.080 to talk a little bit about tournament golf with you, scheduling, prepping, 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.720 what the season looks like for you. You and I live 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.560 in very different parts of the world, so our golf 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:44.880 seasons are differentiate massively. I'm really getting into mind right now. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.520 Where are you in terms of yours? Kind of midsummer. 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.519 Ours A PGA member, our Southwest section here, we actually 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:53.479 play most of our tournaments in the summer, I mean 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.920 all the the working pros, the club pros man. That's 0:00:57.000 --> 0:01:00.560 winner's busy season, the short on daylight. So we actually 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:03.520 compress all of our tournaments kind of in the summer. Yes, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:05.400 it's hot, but that's what we do. 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:08.280 Marty. Our lives are a little bit different too. 0:01:08.319 --> 0:01:10.560 Your kids are a little bit older, and I know 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:13.440 your kiddos are playing tournament golf as well right now. 0:01:13.440 --> 0:01:15.720 Mine are a little bit younger, which obviously throws a 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.440 bit of a wrinkle in terms of tournament golf. When 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:20.480 you have a job and you've got all this stuff 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:22.880 going on, sometimes it's not the easiest to lay out 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.800 your schedule. What's a good number of tournaments for you 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.800 a season? Are you playing in as many as you can, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.480 or are you kind of really picking and choosing what 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:31.160 you're gonna play in. 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.959 I if everything else allows, schedule wise, family stuff, work stuff, 0:01:37.160 --> 0:01:41.399 I try to play in our main Southwest section PG 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.440 events like all the big ones, and then occasionally little 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.320 one or two day kind of tournament series deals, and 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.960 then I try to have a couple carrots out there 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.960 to help really get me motivated. Chain so it's like 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.360 a couple PG Tour Monday qualifiers. That space has all 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.240 changed now, so I got to rethink my strat gee. 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:02.080 I was actually just working on this the other night. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.800 Probably go up to there's still one gonna be one 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.800 in Napa, There's gonna be one at the then in Utah. 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:10.160 So I got those on the calendar. Always want to 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:10.600 have one of those. 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:12.959 Para care prequell. Do you have to pre qualify or 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.480 do you can? You you get right in pre qualify? 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.280 Yeah, but hey, all right, so it's gonna make it 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.720 more fun when you get in one, you know, all right. 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.520 So so I always love asking good players this question 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.239 because I get asked this question a lot in terms 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.760 of qualifiers, because I'm playing a ton of qualifiers out here. 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.880 You know the METS section, which I think is the 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:33.320 best amateur section in the country. Yep, best golf courses. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.160 They do an amazing job of the tournaments. I have 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.120 an idea of a number going into these qualifiers versus 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:40.600 doing a USGA qualifier. 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:41.320 When you do. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:44.679 Prequalls, do you have a number going in mind? Or 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.360 does it just go out there and try to shoot 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.400 just to play as good as you can play. 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.000 I think I'm oh Man Shane. We could probably talk 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.880 about this one topic forever. It would I would love 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.359 to interview all all the better players and ask them 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.080 how they feel on this there's no consensus on this. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:02.440 I always try. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:05.600 I always have kind of a little bit of a number, right, 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.680 But I this is actually probably an area for as 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:10.840 decent of a player I am, that I'm not that 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.760 good at figuring out what players are gonna shoot that day. 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.240 I remember doing a US Open locals. It was at 0:03:16.240 --> 0:03:18.799 Southern Dunes, you know, a handful of years ago. I 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:21.120 thought I was playing like real, I thought I was 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.320 playing easy, and so I tried to make a birdie 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:26.760 on that eighteenth hole, ended up like hitting it down 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.120 the water, taking a drop making it made a nice bogie. Shane, 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:32.640 I'm like getting a playoff, and I'm like, I'm just 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:35.520 not good. This is before the live scoring with all 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:38.360 that stuff. Now now that actually really helps. But but 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.960 regular pre qualifers, man, there's no live scoring. I think 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.960 it's better to kind of have a number in mind. 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:47.760 But but don't press. If you, if you, if you, 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.000 if you know you think you need to be six 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:51.880 and you're three going in the last four holes. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:56.280 The press scene is something that I have always struggled with. 0:03:56.520 --> 0:03:59.640 To your point, the idea of I've got two holes 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:01.440 left I had. It happened to me last year there's 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:04.240 a great amateur event at Standwich out here that they've 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.720 been putting together, and it's basically a stroke play qualifier 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.560 for sixteen spots. And I've got one of my best 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.320 friends out here caddying for me. It's stand which is 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:14.560 a tough golf course. I mean, I'm I'm two or 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:17.080 three over on eighteen and these are like some of 0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:19.560 the best mid ams in the country and I'm sitting 0:04:19.560 --> 0:04:20.880 there thinking I gotta make three. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:22.920 I hit it in the middle of the green. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:25.680 Downhill, putt quick greens, thinking I gotta make it, run 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:27.480 it four and a half feet by missed the comebacker, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.600 and now I'm in a seven for one playoff spot 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.520 if I just too But you know, I'm on the 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.640 sixteenth seed going to match play. 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:37.680 I do find that is and you nailed it. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.760 Like that's a skill set that I feel like most 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.080 pros are just or good players are bad at. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:42.719 In general. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.520 I have an idea of cut numbers, I feel like, 0:04:45.600 --> 0:04:47.479 and I got a good feel for those, But in 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:51.560 terms of qualifiers, I just feel like it's something you 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:52.400 always think is. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.599 Going to be lower than it is, Like we always 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:55.320 assume low. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.880 I've been burned on both sides of the qualifiers. I'm 0:04:57.920 --> 0:04:59.840 at one time, Shane, so Shane. One time I got 0:04:59.880 --> 0:05:03.680 it in the Vegas event. We had a section qualifier 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.520 to get in the Las Vegas PGA Tour event. I 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.640 shot sixty five, and I played nearly flawless, like I 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.680 was like, okay, normally come off the course. You're like 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:14.680 I left a few out there. I was like, I 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:18.120 was very clean, birdie. All the fives, made a few 0:05:18.160 --> 0:05:21.000 more no bogies. Sixty five, I've been sixty three. It 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.120 was sixty five. No, No, I was like, sixty five, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.839 This is good. Like if it's a regular PJ Tour qualifier, 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.839 I might make it in. And this kid from Tucson, 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.680 preston On, I still remember him, shot sixty one and 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:34.640 he holed out twice in the round. You know, but 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:37.880 there's only one spot. I'm like, ah, but here I got. 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:43.280 I got payback though, because that got me into the 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.400 PGA Tour Monday qualifier. So I acted as my pre qualifier. 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:51.240 I shot sixty five again two weeks later, and I 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:52.960 got in the PGA Tour qualifier. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:55.440 So we both like a. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:57.120 Loss than it. It was like a loss than a win. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.760 Yeah, you're a guy that has played a ton of golf. 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:03.280 You you've played incredibly well, kind of a cross Arizona 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:05.680 and beyond. I know you've won a lot of tournaments. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.240 In terms of preparing for a golf tournament, do you 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.240 set goals? Do you have a process that you kind 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:13.440 of go through that's typical? 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:13.760 Are you? 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:17.800 Now it's it's a Wednesday morning round and you've got 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:19.919 a three or four day tournament, and you know the 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.120 golf courses and you show up, like, how do you 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.480 prepare for let's call them big Arizona golf tournaments. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:27.039 Yeah. 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.600 I kind of view golf preparation training in general it's 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.479 like you have this foundation of core skills. So it's 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.039 like you always kind of want to be working on 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.520 those fundamental things. Man, maybe it's your block practice and 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:45.000 your putting, basic chips, basic bunker shots, right, wedge distance control. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.800 Driving is pretty much always needs to be worked on. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.080 It's the most important to your score. It's you know, 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.160 so people stand on the range hit drivers. I'm a 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.840 fan of that generally speaking. So that's I kind of 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.560 kind of view that as the found Shane. And then 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.320 if you have if I have like a specific tournament 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:08.640 coming up, I will look at the golf course, the conditions, 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:12.080 the weather, and then start refining what do I need 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:15.600 to do from this foundation to make it specifically optimized 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.760 and timing. You know, it's like it's all about you know, 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.200 Tiger or Rory, all these guys trying to get ramped 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:24.080 up for their majors. Maybe that tournament is my major. 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:26.720 Maybe it's Arizona Open. Right, I'm gonna be how can 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:29.960 I get my game ramped up for that specific tournament? 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:33.400 And I need to look at what is important for 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.679 that event. Is it gonna be a more emphasis on driving, 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:40.080 more emphasis on driving distance? Is it like, let's say 0:07:40.080 --> 0:07:43.280 we're playing Papago with Arizona Open in a few months here, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.960 Shane or six weeks or so, I'm gonna need to 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:49.080 use my I'm gonna need my two thirty two fifty 0:07:49.080 --> 0:07:51.520 clubs for those long part threes. I need to hit 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:55.520 a plenty of shots with the IDI three iron, four 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.760 iron because those long part threes might be the separator, right, 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.200 all those long part threes they have out there. So 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:06.760 it's like, but another tournament might not have that, Like 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.320 that shot might not be important at all, So I 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.360 don't need to be wasting my time or spending my 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:15.120 effort on that. Because you and I are similar, you 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.160 know so much time available. It's all about priorities, Like 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.440 what is the priorities you should be working on? So 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:23.560 if you have one tournament on the calendar and you 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:26.400 want to optimize for that, you want to start thinking 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:31.040 about what areas your game or equipment adjustments do you 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:33.400 need to make to optimize for that particular event. 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.319 When you say you do some prep in terms of conditions, weather, 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.520 things like that, are you a Google Earth guy? Like, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:46.480 what are you doing maybe away from that golf course. 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:48.760 If it's not a practice around, it's a golf course, 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.400 you've played like a pop a goo? Yeah, what are 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:53.520 you doing in terms of that prep? Is it online prep? 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:56.079 Like? What are you what are you using to kind 0:08:56.080 --> 0:08:57.000 of get that information? 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.920 This has gotten a lot easier because I was a 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:01.880 Google Earth guy before. All these nice golf apps are 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:03.840 out there that you can preview the golf course. So 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:07.120 I either use Arcos or there's a great app out 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:10.040 there called shot Pattern, have a preview the round mode. 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:14.240 Absolutely love it. A lot of these are are conforming 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.160 to use during the tournament. With it, it turns off you know, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:19.839 weather conditions and just like putting your rangefinder off of 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:22.560 slow mode, actually use those on the course. So that's 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.120 a great way to preview the golf course, right, is 0:09:25.160 --> 0:09:26.839 to go on use one of these apps. I think 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.199 even probably eighteen Birdies has some of these features and 0:09:29.240 --> 0:09:30.800 things of that nature. So that's got a lot more 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:35.840 convenient to do instead of doing a physical practice round. 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.880 I recommend for tournament golfers out there always do that 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.199 you know, virtual practice round first on one of these 0:09:42.240 --> 0:09:45.600 golf apps and then you kind of confirm things because 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:47.480 there all it's always gonna be a little bit different 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:47.920 in person. 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.280 Are you a practice wrong guy, because I'm I'm I 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.400 kind of hate him, like, oh man, I really am 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.920 not a big practice round guy. Same, I think it's 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.480 just boring golf to me. Yes, unless you can get 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.640 a little math with your buddies, and so the tournament 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.480 needs to be really big for me to do a 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.400 practice round. By the way, Marty, my favorite thing to 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:10.000 do out here is a lot about the fifth hole, 0:10:10.520 --> 0:10:13.480 and I'll be like, does this one go left? Guys, 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.480 if you're not playing it, I'm like, no, I never 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:16.000 play them. 0:10:16.040 --> 0:10:16.600 I'm sorry. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.800 But the same as you is like time time, and again, 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.360 I mean it's a difference in Yeah, if I'm twenty 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.000 eight years old, you know, I'm obviously going to spend 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.520 a lot more time doing this. But at my age 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:29.000 and what I've got to do in my life and 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:32.040 travel and things like that go in and if I've 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.840 got to drive two hours to a golf course, so 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.439 now it's four hours in the car, four hours on 0:10:36.480 --> 0:10:38.320 the golf course, it's the whole day. It's tough for 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.079 me to do it. But as you said, like arcos, 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:43.720 I use Arcos. They're incredible in terms of credible for 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:44.559 these golf courses. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.120 Yes, yeah, so that's a fantastic So that's definitely something 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:51.079 I think everyone should kind of kind of get in 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.079 the routine of. And then shee. I kind of view 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.880 it as like how how far out is the tournament? 0:10:56.920 --> 0:10:59.000 You know, It's like it's kind of like preparing for 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.360 finals when you're in, you know, like there's a build 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.679 up to it, you know, so it's kind of work 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.400 on the fundamentals. If you need more speed, you need 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:09.560 to work on your driving, you need to start. You 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:11.520 can't do that the week before. You got to give 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.719 yourself six eight weeks if you, you know, lay out 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.520 your calendar and try to optimize things for that, and 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:20.640 then as it gets closer, you can do more specific 0:11:20.760 --> 0:11:25.760 skills in practice, more random practice, more gamified practice to 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:27.679 help get you in that routine as it gets a 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:29.600 lot closer to the event. Yeah, I think you and 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.079 I are probably similar shame where it's like you might 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:35.240 go a long time without having a putt that matters, 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:37.840 and so I think a really big deal as you 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:42.560 get really close to those events is holding like holding 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.160 a lot of four to twelve footers, like because you 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:49.960 could totally go out there and just be lagging putts 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.480 or doing your block practice three footers in your house 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.040 on your mat or on a chalcol line real quick, 0:11:55.240 --> 0:11:56.959 and then you get on You get on that first 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.280 hole and you got like an eight footer and it's like, oh, 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.720 I haven't hit it in four months. Here that matters, 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:02.960 you know. 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.720 I mean I think the same way Marty with tap ins, 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.880 Like I think the same thing with like putts inside 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:11.679 of two feet. I remember during COVID, I was playing 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.200 a ton of golf at Papago with certain PGA Tour 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.960 players and I remember one of them going to an 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:20.960 event once the tournament's returned, and getting a text on Thursdays, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.040 like my first hole, I have like a two footer 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:23.680 to tap. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.000 In and I had to hit one of those in 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:25.720 a month and a half. 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.520 You know, So I think any of that stuff like, yeah, 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.760 anything that's gonna make you nervous, work on that before 0:12:31.800 --> 0:12:33.679 you get to the tournament. And that brings me to 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.199 my next question to you, as somebody that's a great 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.719 player and tends to play very solid golf in tournaments, 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.360 how do you bring your best when it matters the most. 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:46.720 Because so many people can play great golf away from 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.000 the tournament, they get to the tournament. 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.240 They're super nervous there. They freak themselves out. 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.079 They don't even allow themselves to go out and kind 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:55.360 of reach their capabilities. 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.600 Yeah, and I I feel like I've I have done 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:00.560 that a little bit shame where I can to elevate 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:03.400 my game in tournaments. Maybe you might go play I 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:05.679 might go play a casual round of golf. I'm and 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.520 shoot five over par and look like a hacker, and 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:11.360 then you know it's like, Okay, you getting a tough tournament. 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.959 He shot shot three under on a very tough conditions. 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:16.439 And in in ahead of the field a little bit. 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.959 I think it's it's focusing on that process, like it's 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:24.320 being very process oriented and having a good strategy. So 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:26.800 I you know, I'm I think a lot of good 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.600 tournament golfers know. Now, not not all of them. I 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.160 don't think every tournament golfer knows. 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:31.319 This. 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.920 You know is how to have a really good strategy, 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:39.400 which is knowing when to be conservative, knowing when I 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:42.560 say conservative, like avoid a bogie right, like your goal 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.960 keep the ball in the fair way, Uh, get that 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:47.840 ball in the middle of the green. A lot of 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:51.320 touugh pins in tournament golf, even in our section stuff. 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.200 I just won a tournament last week, there's a lot 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.120 of these back pins. And even if you have wedge in. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.160 I was looking back around me, looking around a lot 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.080 of people like going for the pin, going over the green, 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:07.079 you got a grainy chip uphill, short sighted, they're making 0:14:07.120 --> 0:14:10.600 bogie even though I got one thirty in. I'm leaving 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:12.840 at thirty feet short of the pin, taking my chances, 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.559 maybe sneaking in one of those birdies, but never short 0:14:15.600 --> 0:14:18.880 sighting it, never making a bogie when you shouldn't, even 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.880 though might look a little boring might not be the 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:26.120 most exciting. It's knowing when to take those chances when 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.040 you got the green light to try to make a birdie. 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:32.200 And so there's a lot on core strategy there and 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:36.520 then just decoupling from the result and being very process oriented, 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:40.240 like I got my game plan. Unless something goes crazy 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.720 here with conditions or I need to make two birdies 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.320 to make the cut or try to win, I'm gonna 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:47.320 kind of stick to the game plan, be very very 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.840 methodical on core strategy, and I think that's that's that's 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.680 a big part of what allows you know, good players 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.200 to kind of play their best in the in those 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.080 tournament conditions. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.760 You know, when I moved to the Northeast in twenty one, 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:04.720 I had a couple of year stretch where I was 0:15:04.720 --> 0:15:07.880 playing the qualifiers great. I haven't played great as of late. 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:10.400 My games just hadn't been that sharp, and honestly haven't 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:11.960 spent a lot of time on it, which is a 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.520 big problem. You got to spend time in the golf 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.400 game to improve it. But I remember to your point 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:20.840 about strategy in those qualifiers, I always felt like my 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:23.640 strategy was going to be an a plus, Like I 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:25.320 was never gonna pull a club off of tea. I 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:27.560 was uncomfortable with, even if it's a golf course, I 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.840 don't know that well and I don't totally know what's 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.360 up there, kind of playing short of whatever that might be, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:34.920 so then you can still make that committed golf swing. 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.080 You know, you see so many players on the first 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.600 t kind of ruin their chances out of the gate. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:42.920 And I always wonder sometimes where you committed to the 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.880 swing to begin with, right where you committed to the 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:47.720 decision to begin with. And I just feel like when 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.480 you see players that are successful in this game in 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.480 terms of tournament golf, it's a lot of just positive 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.600 decision making, even over execution. 0:15:55.960 --> 0:15:59.120 Yep, yep. I could not agree more. Shame, but it is. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.000 It's easier said than done, because when you're out there, 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:07.120 when you're out there and maybe you're maybe maybe I'm 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.880 playing in a PGA Tour Monday qualifier and I'm playing 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.320 with somebody that hits it further than me and birdies 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:17.000 the first two holes, and you can't help but be like, Okay, 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:18.600 I got to start putting the pedal to the metal, 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.160 like like you know, unless you literally close your eyes 0:16:21.160 --> 0:16:23.960 you're like Adam Scott not watching Tiger Woods in his prime, 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.120 you know what I mean? Like, uh, you know, it's 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.520 very easy to get influenced by either your expectation of 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.840 what the results are, the score, the number needs to 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:36.240 be who you're playing with. Maybe you're playing to partners, 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:40.000 it's the opposite. Maybe they're playing terrible and you and 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:41.840 then it makes you feel like you're playing really good, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:44.320 making a bunch of pars and you know somebody in 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:47.000 the group behind you is is eight under right, So 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.480 it's like, how do you decouple? How do you be 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:50.720 in your own little bubble? 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:51.280 You know? 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.040 And I think that's what the elite players are actually 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.000 really skilled at doing, is kind of having their own bubble, 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.160 having their own strategy, sticking to it kind of. And 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.600 that's maybe, Shane, that's what I meant by being decoupled 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.200 from the result. It's kind of having your own little 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:11.680 independence out there of what your goals are. And maybe 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.919 sometimes it's gonna shake out in the end. Sometimes it's not. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.480 I when I get nervous and I want to ask 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:19.480 about nerves on the golf course, I mean, something I've 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:22.399 done well, it's probably a bit of a vision fifty 0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.280 four kind of philosophy to it. But you know, when 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:30.320 I get nervous occasionally over a putt, like a tricky 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:33.760 five footter, maybe it's an iron shot into a green. 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.360 A lot of the times I'll tell myself it's it's 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.520 just an eight iron or just hit a solid putt. 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.520 You know, like trying to simplify all of that whole 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.080 process that goes in your brain. Are you aligned correctly? 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:48.639 Did you read it right? All those things? Just getting 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.320 back to make a good swing, make a good stroke. 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.680 That's kind of all you can do once that, once 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.200 the leaves the club face, the results kind of done 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.359 on your end, and it's up to you know, the 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.000 green and the bumps and the fit in the wind, 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.480 and you know all of those things and those factors. 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.520 How do you deal with nerves, Like when you get 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.840 nervous on the first tea or in a tournament, or 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.520 when you've played a major championships? How do you deal 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:13.040 with the level of nerves that come with either that 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.119 first t shot or trying to close out around at 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:17.040 a big golf tournament. 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:22.399 I I always still to this day, any tournament, it 0:18:23.280 --> 0:18:26.560 any tournament I plan, I get nervous on the first 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.359 tea shot. I don't know, Shane. I'm like, I'm it's 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.600 it's past the point of me trying to figure out 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:35.879 how not to get nervous and more. Just I just 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:38.919 embrace it. It's like, Okay, this is coming. Don't have 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.600 the anxiety. You're gonna have these feelings. You're gonna have 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.600 these nervousness feelings, and and and with that comes like 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.400 the doubt, you know what I mean, Like there's gonna 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:53.080 be demons out there. So I mean, Shane, I breathing 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.520 is super important. So there's a lot of different breathing 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:58.520 techniques out there. I've experimented with a ton of them. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:19:02.240 I always kind of shake, try to shake, shake around 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.400 a little bit like a boxer, you know what I mean. 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.480 There's some things with the nervous system that could kind 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:08.960 of calm me down. First, Yeah, get that energy out 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.600 a little bit, get that little energy out. Waggling super important, 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.520 Breathing super important. And then, Shane, I mean a big, 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:17.480 big one for me is I never hit have to 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.679 hit a I never try to hit a three winner 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:23.320 of long iron out that first team. If I'm in doubt, 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:24.320 I'm hitting driver. 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:26.400 One hundred percent. 0:19:26.520 --> 0:19:28.720 Man, there is nothing worse than when you get on 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:30.560 the first tea of a tournament you haven't seen or 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:32.920 don't know a lot about, and it's like two eighty 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:34.800 run out and you go, oh goodness. 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.800 Whatever, Oh yeah, no, I do not want to. 0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:39.520 On the first tea shout out Molinari a couple of 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.600 years ago with Pebble. It's like, happens to the best 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:42.239 of us. 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:43.960 Man, we all have done it. 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.760 But I mean, I also think it's that the embracing 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.600 it is so important, and I think that's one of 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.760 those things that comes with age, is you understand everybody 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:56.560 here is a little nervous. Yeah, like nobody hears comfortable. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:58.680 It's the same thing I think about sometimes in match play. 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.520 When you're playing a guy in play, it's like you're 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.880 kind of waiting for them potentially to make a mistake, 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.399 and it's like they're not gonna hit every eight iron perfect, 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.080 so just kind of kind of plod along and keep 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:11.919 getting the ball on the green, keep putting the pressure 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:15.040 on them, because if they hit every aight iron perfect, 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.200 they'd be playing in a different space than this space 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:17.880 I'm in right now. 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:18.640 Yeah. 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:22.280 Yeah, I mean, I think talking about nerve Shane is 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.920 like Tiger. I mean Tiger on the first tee, that guy, 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.480 he got more. It was more nervous than I've probably 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:32.239 ever been. First t shots were always terrible. I mean, 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.159 what was up with that? And I think it's just 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:37.280 that he cared so much. He was so pent up. 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.520 And you know, I think the fact that you are 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.320 nervous means you care. That's a good thing. Learn how 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:46.000 to embrace it. I think when it comes to nerves 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:48.639 on putting, Shane. One thing that's helped me, and this 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.640 is different for everybody, is I putt in my routine 0:20:52.760 --> 0:20:56.720 is all breathing based, So I like I I take 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.159 the putter back after I do a huge X sale 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.399 on my fourth in my putting routine. So it's like, 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:07.040 if you can have consistency in that routine, that gives 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:10.119 me something to rely on no matter what the putt is, 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.160 whether it's a two footer tap in or I got 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.639 an eight foot slippery slider to qualify for the PGA Championship, 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.959 I'm using that same routine. It's a no known and 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:25.000 and then once you do that xal, you release the putt. Okay, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:27.160 I've done what I could kind of like you were saying, Shane, 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:29.480 and let the results shake out. 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:33.200 I think consistency is also helpful in terms of prepping 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:37.600 for tournaments. You know, consistency, whether it's like knowing what 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:39.000 you have in the bag. I mean, I'm a very 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:41.159 consistent like snack guy. I know what I'm gonna have 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.159 in my bag when I'm playing tournaments. I've got a 0:21:43.240 --> 0:21:46.199 Laura bar, I've got almonds, I've got like LM and 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:48.320 T stuff for the water. I've got to like, I'll 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.399 do a sandwich if I know it kind of crosses 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.800 over into lunch time. You got a early tea time, 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:54.879 even a late tea time. I'll make all that stuff 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:56.879 and have all that stuff in my bag. What do 0:21:56.960 --> 0:21:59.640 you do in terms of prepping, not just for what's 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:02.479 in your bag, but maybe like day day or two before. 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:04.879 Do you change the way you work out? Do you 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:07.440 change the way you prep stretching any of that stuff? 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.760 Do you do anything different in that world as you 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:11.480 get closer and closer to tournament days? 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:13.800 Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah. 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:16.560 Take care of the body. I mean, that's another big 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.040 part of it. If you're talking tournament prep. If you know, 0:22:19.040 --> 0:22:22.120 if we have a tournament, you're walking and and you know, 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.480 me being a you know a lot of our listeners 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:26.800 out there are you know, eight to five type folks. 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:30.280 But if you got a tournament coming up where you're 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:32.520 gonna be walking, put a little bit of time in 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:34.880 on the fitness side, make sure you don't get worn 0:22:34.920 --> 0:22:37.679 out on that front. But yeah, definitely, I think it's uh, 0:22:38.080 --> 0:22:40.120 there's a lot to scheduling. I would I would love 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:41.760 Shane to kind of talk and maybe you have on 0:22:41.840 --> 0:22:44.399 your some of your other pods, just talk about the 0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:46.680 tour players and how they do their scheduling of every 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.760 like every little minute leading up to whether it's morning 0:22:50.760 --> 0:22:53.240 tea time, late tea time. Sometimes you get done, you 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:54.960 finish in the dark, but you gotta come back and 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:57.920 finish early. So many little logistics there on how much 0:22:57.960 --> 0:23:00.399 time you have for those warm ups, but yeah, a 0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:02.800 couple days before, make sure you take care of the 0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:05.160 body and make sure Actually a lot of people set 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:07.600 their alarm for when they should wake up. So if 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.800 I have those tournaments, I kinda on my notes app 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.919 on my phone, have all the little details there when 0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:15.800 I'm gonna warm up, when I'm gonna get to the gym, 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:17.520 when I'm gonna eat, when I'm gonna get my coffee 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:19.639 if I need to. But also put on there what 0:23:19.800 --> 0:23:22.959 time you should be going to sleep, set an alarm 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.280 for what time you're going to sleep. That's a really 0:23:25.280 --> 0:23:27.879 big deal, especially if you're traveling East coast, West coast, 0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:29.720 international things of that nature. 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.600 Yeah, the rest thing is extremely enormous. Another thing I 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:37.639 think that I've seen in tournament golf I've experienced in 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.639 tournament golf a little bit is prepping for what's gonna 0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:43.879 happen out of the gate. And when I say that, 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:46.840 I mean like you got to prep for the good 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:48.400 and you've got to prep for the bad. I think 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.000 a lot of the time people that don't do a 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:54.800 lot of tournament golf are almost prepared for something bad 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:55.240 to happen. 0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:55.639 You know. 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:58.000 It's like, Okay, I'm nervous. You know, I might make 0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:00.680 bogie out of the gate, that's fine, whatever. I remember 0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:03.119 playing a qualifier a couple of years ago, and it 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:06.000 was that, of course, just outside of Hartford. First hole 0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:08.960 is about three forty. Yeah, you don't really hit driver there. 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:09.320 But you can. 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:11.399 Yeah, And I remember I was playing with a kid 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.240 and he just pummels his driver, like right at the 0:24:14.280 --> 0:24:14.800 front of the green. 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:15.879 I'm like, man, that was a good swing. 0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:17.600 When we get up there and he's about forty feet 0:24:17.600 --> 0:24:20.240 away on the green and he makes the putt makes 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:22.800 at the first hole, and he I look at him 0:24:22.800 --> 0:24:25.119 as he's walking off the green and he's got a 0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.320 look on his face that says, I was never prepared 0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:30.800 to be two under who on this round of golf. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.399 And we were awalking off to tea and he said, 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:37.480 he said, oh, man, mann't I didn't think I was 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:38.040 gonna make two. 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:40.080 And it was almost like he didn't want to make 0:24:40.119 --> 0:24:42.960 the two yeah, even though obviously any scores better than 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.720 one higher. And so I do think sometimes it's like 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.560 like when you're on the first tee when when you're 0:24:48.600 --> 0:24:51.960 prepping for a tournament, understanding I have the capability of 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:54.399 playing well, just like I have the capability of playing poorly. 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:54.720 You know. 0:24:55.040 --> 0:24:58.159 Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's such a great point. Shane is 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.239 like that. 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:03.479 The the this goes back to patients, stick it to your 0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:09.000 plan is I have a philosophy that your strategy should 0:25:09.000 --> 0:25:11.600 be a little bit transient. So what I mean by 0:25:11.640 --> 0:25:15.399 that is that whole you're talking about three forty maybe 0:25:15.400 --> 0:25:17.679 you can go for it, but maybe there's out of 0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:20.600 bounds up there. You you do not want to start 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.840 your round with a t shot out of bounds. 0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:23.080 Right. 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:27.920 It's like, so I always take a more conservative strategy 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:31.040 strategy early in the round, you get a feel for 0:25:31.080 --> 0:25:34.000 the conditions, your sense how you're hitting it. And then 0:25:34.160 --> 0:25:37.320 if there is a variation where a decision in the 0:25:37.359 --> 0:25:39.600 round where you can be slightly more aggressive or not, 0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:43.240 maybe maybe you know, you know, maybe don't do that. 0:25:44.040 --> 0:25:46.280 Maybe don't do that as early in the round. Right, 0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:48.560 So you want to kind of have this kind of 0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:52.880 little boring, methodical, maybe a little more conservative start. That's 0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.280 gonna be a little bit bit different for everybody, but 0:25:55.359 --> 0:25:58.840 it's something to think about with the tournament golf, right 0:25:59.240 --> 0:26:01.760 is like, how do you how do you transition your 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:06.320 conservative to aggressive strategy transient through the course of a 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.560 round and then certainly through the course of a tournament. Right, So, 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:14.400 if you're playing Monday qualifier and you're the last tea 0:26:14.440 --> 0:26:16.520 time out and you're refreshing out of your app and 0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:18.399 you see the scores and you need to burdy the 0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:23.720 last three holes, yes, play more aggressive aggressive, But if 0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:25.760 you're in a seventy two hole event. If I'm playing 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:30.359 a seventy two hole event that's the PGA Professional National Championship, 0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.160 that qualifies me for the PGA. I'm gonna be way 0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:36.920 more conservative. You're gonna have a regression to the mean 0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:40.600 on your finishers in that event and the skill level 0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:45.080 over seventy two holes, major cut, all that stuff. You 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:47.959 want to be way more methodical. If you make a bogie, 0:26:48.040 --> 0:26:50.600 do not worry. You got a massive amount of holes. 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.800 You make a bogie in a Monday qualifier where scores 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.960 are gonna be low, yeah, you probably need to ramp 0:26:55.960 --> 0:26:57.760 it up and be a little bit more aggressive. So 0:26:57.840 --> 0:27:01.560 strategy is transient. I think that's that's both forgetting your 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:04.840 round started and relative to your success in the event. 0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:05.960 Marty. 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:08.320 You know Matt Fitzpatrick's kind of been famous for he 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.600 notes all of his shots. Yeah, I mean people have 0:27:10.640 --> 0:27:13.520 talked a lot about this. You're an extremely smart guy 0:27:13.520 --> 0:27:15.320 that pays a lot of attention to everything going on, 0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:17.720 not just in golf, but what you're doing with your golf. 0:27:18.040 --> 0:27:20.480 What do you do in terms of notations throughout tournament 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:22.360 golf to maybe help you out the next day. 0:27:22.800 --> 0:27:26.800 Yeah, So I use in the stack app. We actually 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.280 have a way to categorize your putting, So we have 0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:32.600 a putting mode and then you can keep very detailed notes. 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.440 It's with the same level of detail that actually Fitzpatrick 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:40.560 does with his putting for your putting stats, and that's 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:43.439 been supremely helpful for me, Shane. So I have a 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:47.000 little notation I do on on the bottom of my scorecard, 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.960 the little perforated part that I keep where I actually 0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:52.480 now walk off every putt or I can. Once you 0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:55.840 kind of get this down, you can estimate it pretty well, like, okay, 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:59.119 I got a thirty two foot downhill right to left, 0:27:59.280 --> 0:28:04.280 and then catries if you missed it, why you missed it? 0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.159 Was it a misread, was it a misread of the 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.000 was it mystery of the line? Was it misread of 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.879 the speed? Did you start it too far right or 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:15.680 too far left of your intended start line? Or did 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:19.520 you roll it too fast or too slow relative to 0:28:19.680 --> 0:28:23.600 how you intended? And that has been super helpful for 0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.520 my own personal feedback and awareness of what are my 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:32.560 trends and traits on putting. So I like, quite often 0:28:32.600 --> 0:28:36.160 if I'm not putting great, my speed will be too slow, 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.640 Like I'll come up short on very makeable putts. I 0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:43.120 have a strategy Shane influenced and informed a little bit 0:28:43.120 --> 0:28:46.200 by the work of Mark Brody, and I kind of 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:47.960 asked him this, like, what are your thoughts on this, 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.360 is that when I get to thirty feet or beyond, 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.000 I kind of just go to lag mode, like just 0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:57.720 try to solve for the ball ending up perfectly whole high. 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:01.440 And the reason why is a PG two or average putter, 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:06.200 their average strokes to hole out from thirty feet is 0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.520 like two, so you're equally as likely to make it 0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:11.000 as three put So I'm like, okay, thirty feet, I'm 0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.680 gonna lag it. Generally speaking, then if I'm twenty five 0:29:13.720 --> 0:29:15.719 feet are in, I could kind of try to have 0:29:15.760 --> 0:29:18.480 optimal capture speed to get myself good odds of making it. 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.640 And when I'm not putting good, I will come up 0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.200 short from you know, fifteen to twenty five feet, or 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.280 my speed's just a little too conservative, a little too slow. 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:32.480 But keeping those stats has helped kind of highlight that 0:29:32.560 --> 0:29:35.560 where I otherwise probably wouldn't have noticed it. And that's 0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:38.440 kind of the benefit of stats tracking that's been super 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:39.000 helpful for me. 0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:43.000 Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating. I mean, I love 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.600 the idea of like understanding what's available with a putt. 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:47.760 I mean I was thinking about it. 0:29:47.800 --> 0:29:51.360 You remember a few weeks ago in Canada there was 0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:54.120 that playoff and he was, yeah, Fox and was it 0:29:54.200 --> 0:29:55.760 Fox and Sam Burns? I think that was in the 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.280 playoff And if you remember, Fox flags it on like 0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.240 the fourth playoff hole and he has like eight or 0:30:00.320 --> 0:30:03.040 nine feet for eagle. And I was watching it with 0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:05.160 a buddy of mine who like a pro golfer buddy 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:09.440 of mine, and I said, like, Burn's had the downhill putt, 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:12.840 you know, and he's probably thirty feet away. And I said, 0:30:13.080 --> 0:30:15.960 if I was Sam Burns caddy walking up, I would 0:30:16.040 --> 0:30:19.040 remind Sam, I know, you want to make this for 0:30:19.120 --> 0:30:22.200 eaglep but I would remind him of the percentage make 0:30:22.680 --> 0:30:26.040 for a guy from Fox's distance, just to remind him 0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.400 that that he could maybe more likely to miss this 0:30:29.440 --> 0:30:31.640 than make it. And then what happens is Burn runs 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:33.920 it by ten feet missus the comebacker. Now all of 0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.480 a sudden, you've given the golf tournament away, and you 0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:40.240 know it. Just I think that diving in percentages, like listen, 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.200 it's nerdy and It probably takes a lot of time 0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:44.560 and it's cumbersome, but even just looking at that tour 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.080 level stuff to remind you if you're playing a match, 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:48.000 you're playing a tournament. 0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:49.640 Some guy's got twelve feet. 0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:53.800 It's like there's a twenty percent chance that tour guys 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:55.920 make this putt right. Yeah, and it's just reminding you 0:30:55.960 --> 0:30:57.440 what's available even in your own game. 0:30:57.640 --> 0:30:59.640 Yeah, No, it's it's like poker man, this is my 0:31:00.160 --> 0:31:02.040 We had Chris Coma on you remember, and he was 0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:04.600 talking all about poker and how he learned so much 0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:06.880 from playing that and how he's bringing it into his coaching. 0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.240 You got Victor talking about playing a lot of poker. 0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.959 You better believe those guys are running those you know, 0:31:13.000 --> 0:31:16.520 the the best, better players are running those advanced calculations 0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.959 for sure, Shane. Match plays a whole different story on 0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:23.120 how you want to optimize and core strategy and things 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.400 of that nature. But a playoff, that's what it is. 0:31:25.440 --> 0:31:28.040 So that's a that's a great point. I mean, yeah, 0:31:28.080 --> 0:31:30.640 there's a lot to it. Capture speed at the in 0:31:30.680 --> 0:31:33.480 the putting lab, we just installed a zen green stage 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:37.440 and we've been doing some great uh putting with it 0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:41.440 and it's in practice and learning and how we're gonna 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.200 inform our putter fitting. But you know, it just reminded 0:31:44.240 --> 0:31:47.120 me of one of those other things great insights about 0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:51.160 putting that you're you're, you know, a downhill putt, if 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.480 you don't make it the optimal capture speed, that putt 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:56.520 might roll by like three feet, but on an uphillar 0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:00.400 optimal capture speed the putt might only go by six 0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.680 or twelve inches. So how far it goes back past 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.000 the hole is going to be depending on whether uphill 0:32:07.080 --> 0:32:07.640 or downhill. 0:32:09.120 --> 0:32:11.680 I mean, it's there's so much that goes into it, 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:13.120 you know, And I mean, I just find it so 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.640 fascinating to kind of think about, you know, tournament golf 0:32:15.640 --> 0:32:17.360 for people that either played a lot or don't play 0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.160 it that often because you know, the older you get 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:24.800 your club, your local MUNI, like your buddy's club, Like 0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.000 even going on golf trips, you know, I mean, guys 0:32:27.000 --> 0:32:29.640 can kind of freak themselves out going out there and 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:32.479 having to play for money or play consistent golf all 0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:34.920 the time. And it's just trying to like find a 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:38.400 way that it makes you the most comfortable and hitting 0:32:38.480 --> 0:32:40.400 golf shots that make you the most comfortable, you know, 0:32:40.400 --> 0:32:42.560 if you can kind of like, if you're aware of that, 0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:45.680 it's probably the easiest way to succeed in this space. 0:32:46.800 --> 0:32:49.080 Yeah, definitely, Shane. Yeah. 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.000 One other thing that came to mind. You kind of 0:32:51.040 --> 0:32:53.800 asked me about, you know, how do you play maybe 0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.400 a little bit better in that tournament golf. Is I'm 0:32:56.400 --> 0:32:59.240 playing casual play. I'm kind of just trying to have 0:32:59.320 --> 0:33:01.360 some fun, maybe aim at some pin, you know, I 0:33:01.400 --> 0:33:02.560 aim in a lot of pins. 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.720 You know, I get quite frankly, it might be. 0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:06.960 A little bit boring, get me hit the middle of 0:33:07.000 --> 0:33:09.360 the green if I'm out there just playing casual golf. 0:33:09.840 --> 0:33:12.400 But man, once that tournament comes around, and Shane, I 0:33:12.440 --> 0:33:15.360 learned this in the Gateway Tour because you remember your 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:17.720 days on the Gateway, Man, they would put the flags. 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.080 I mean, I have some old books where it's like, okay, 0:33:20.120 --> 0:33:22.320 every pin's three. Sometimes I saw it two on the. 0:33:22.440 --> 0:33:23.280 Spots on the green. 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.480 Sometimes the practice rounds, like we would walk around a 0:33:26.480 --> 0:33:28.800 green and go one round, one round. You know, it 0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.400 was like the hardest pins on the on the golf 0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:30.960 on the green. 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:31.400 Yeah. 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:33.440 I still have some of the sheets. I think they 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:34.280 have a two on there. 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:35.840 You know. So it's like that. 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.760 But but in hindsight, that's where I learned the skill 0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.719 to to to not even care where the flag is, 0:33:42.200 --> 0:33:44.680 you know what I mean. And so that's a really 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.479 big deal. I think for your everyday golfer, start your 0:33:47.560 --> 0:33:50.560 ram man, just very conservative strategy in terms of trying 0:33:50.560 --> 0:33:52.760 to hit hit hit center of the greens, make sure 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.520 you get your tupat try try a little bit harder 0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:58.920 to not make bogie than you do try to make birdie. 0:33:58.960 --> 0:34:00.880 But you do want to know when you can green 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:05.320 light it. You know, that's a very important thing. The best, 0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.680 the better players, man, they are playing aggressive, they know 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:11.440 when to green light it. So and that's a very 0:34:11.440 --> 0:34:13.600 fine line Marty. 0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.680 You've talked about this on other pods. You're a big 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.600 like travel tournament guy. You're taking a lot of golf clubs. 0:34:19.600 --> 0:34:23.680 I mean you're traveling with fifteen sixteen clubs, right, Yeah, yeah, 0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.760 I mean the idea is obviously depending on conditions, depending 0:34:26.840 --> 0:34:29.759 on when, depending on whether I want to be prepared 0:34:30.360 --> 0:34:32.239 to be able to throw in a lofted wood versus 0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:33.359 a long iron, things like that. 0:34:33.440 --> 0:34:35.319 Yeah, equipment's a big deal. I mean, the big ones 0:34:35.320 --> 0:34:40.080 for me Shane or generally like Idi or a five wood, 0:34:40.200 --> 0:34:43.680 you know, or sometimes the hybrid, so they'll have kind 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.480 of three options in that space and then wedges for 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:51.719 different grinds occasionally. So if I'm going to Florida or 0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:55.360 somewhere maybe the Northeast, some are very powdery bunkers. I 0:34:55.400 --> 0:34:59.200 remember I played the PGA Championship at Atlanta Athletic Club. 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:02.440 I mean, the the bunkers were so powdery and sandy. 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:06.280 I would play a lot wider sole wedge there. Sometimes 0:35:06.280 --> 0:35:08.040 you even get with some of those big events, man, 0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:10.640 I would switch from four wedges to three. I did 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.600 that at PGA Championship one year because I needed mine 0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:18.920 more clubs for those two fifty part three I mean 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:22.040 Oakmont probably, you know, if I would have played at Oakmont, 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:24.960 I probably would have gone to three wedges and had 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.560 a couple more options for those long part threes and 0:35:28.000 --> 0:35:30.399 long second shots and approach shots everything they were having 0:35:30.640 --> 0:35:31.239 into the green. 0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:33.000 So yeah, a couple couple. 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:34.879 You know, it's mostly on the kind of the two 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:38.759 ends of the bag, the transition clubs. Maybe some wedge grinds, 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.319 but you know, different trajectories depending on turf conditions and 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:44.840 win so as. 0:35:44.719 --> 0:35:48.840 We wrap, what's the next tourney for you? And what's 0:35:48.920 --> 0:35:51.160 like the what's the goal? Like, what's your twenty twenty 0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:54.480 five goal? I want to do X. 0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:55.680 Do you have a goal? 0:35:56.400 --> 0:35:56.760 Yeah? 0:35:56.800 --> 0:35:58.840 So I think my goal is to win the Southwest 0:35:58.840 --> 0:36:01.120 Section Player of the Year. I came in second. I 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.359 came in second on the pointsless last year. My next 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:06.799 event Shane's next week Southwest Section match Play, and I 0:36:06.840 --> 0:36:09.600 am the defending champion. So I did win the match 0:36:09.640 --> 0:36:13.160 play last year in Moon Valley. It's a little different animal, 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:17.399 gotta be patient. I played some bad golf and got 0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:22.400 lucky because my part, my opponents played worse than me, 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.360 and then I just timed it out. I played great 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.200 golf against my tougher competitors. So yeah, hopefully make a 0:36:29.239 --> 0:36:30.839 little run there at the match play. It'd be fun 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:32.760 to get two in a row. Got the Arizona Open 0:36:33.360 --> 0:36:39.239 later this year, got our sections championship Arizona Open. Yeah, 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:40.920 and I had a good run last year. I think 0:36:40.920 --> 0:36:44.640 that was my best finish. I finished fourth, and you know, 0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:47.919 had a good battle against some of our corn Corn 0:36:47.960 --> 0:36:51.279 Ferry Tour player on our staff and Nico Giletti from 0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.160 ASU plays on the Corn Ferry Tour this year was 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.560 a DP World Tour player last year played with him. 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.640 So hopefully I have another little run of Arizona Open 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:04.160 and Section Championship couple Tour qualifiers later this year. 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:04.640 How about you. 0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.200 I've got I've got some qualifiers coming up for some 0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:10.680 of the CSGA, like Connecticut Golf stuff coming up, like 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:13.319 the mid Am you know, the bummer, the bummer for me, 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:14.840 and I mean, it is what it is. It's my 0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.720 job in my life. But so much of the awesome 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.960 stuff up here falls during our busy corn Ferry Tour run. Yeah, 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:23.400 you know, I cover all the corn Fairy touff. We 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:24.680 had Gilata in a window a couple of weeks ago 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.200 by the oh yeah great, But a lot of that 0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:29.719 stuff falls. So one thing I have been doing that 0:37:29.760 --> 0:37:31.279 has been great, and this is kind of the first 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.319 year I've done it is Connecticut. 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:35.040 The CSGA, which they. 0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.360 Do a great job in terms of like amateur you know, 0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:40.880 competitive golf. They have these one day series events and 0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:44.239 they do about twenty of them during the season. They're 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.479 all on Mondays, and they're all at these really cool 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.040 golf courses. But I mean it's a ton of people 0:37:49.080 --> 0:37:52.000 show up, you play foursomes, they give you carts. You 0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:54.040 kind of fly around, but you know, you kind of 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:55.440 go out there and try to shoot two or three 0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:57.120 under and if you do that, you might win one. 0:37:57.160 --> 0:37:59.879 But it's just, you know, like you talked about can 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:03.640 headitive golf, tournament golf, and the way you were speaking 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.000 about it, I feel very similar. I find myself probably 0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:09.320 lazy golf when I'm just out. 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.040 Playing with my buddies. 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:10.399 Yeah. 0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:13.440 I love the feeling of every shot mattering, oh yeah. 0:38:13.480 --> 0:38:15.440 When I play tournament golf. It used to scare me 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.359 a bit, I'll be honest with you, and now I've 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.759 really embraced that sensation, and so I sign up for 0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:23.440 as much. Like I was online last night, dude, just 0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:29.400 looking at MGA WGA Long Island Golf Association's got stuff, 0:38:29.400 --> 0:38:31.440 I'm like, what else can I play in before the 0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:32.000 season ends? 0:38:32.040 --> 0:38:34.080 Because I want to get in as much as I can. 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:35.120 I did the same thing. 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:38.520 I love scheduling, man, you gotta have some You gotta 0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:40.919 have some carrots out there, you know what I mean 0:38:41.120 --> 0:38:44.200 that to help keep you motivated. Absolutely love scheduling. Oh 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:45.920 I'm gonna play in this. Oh I found this one. 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.720 I can squeeze it in here and give me I've never. 0:38:48.560 --> 0:38:50.879 Played this course before. I've always wanted to play this place. 0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.000 You know, It's like it's a good addition there. It's 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.080 kind of like vacations, you know, with like in like 0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:57.440 your family. It's like having a vacation to look forward to. 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.680 I feel like having tournament golf to look forward to 0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.840 is essential for players. Well this was fun, man. I 0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:07.000 love talking tournament golf obviously. I love picking the brain 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:08.920 of a guy that has had a ton of success 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.719 in and around it. What's the major count for you? 0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:11.080 Marty? 0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:14.520 Are you I'm I'm I'm at six, Shane, I'm at 0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:15.680 six five pgs. 0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:16.640 Oh cool? 0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:21.160 One US Open and uh yeah, hey, so I'll give 0:39:21.200 --> 0:39:23.400 you one more fun one for you. My eight year 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.640 old he qualified for Junior Worlds a couple of weeks ago, 0:39:27.239 --> 0:39:29.440 and I caddied for him. So we got another little 0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.160 uh we got another little tournament. I'm trying to figure 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:34.319 out with him. I'm coaching him on, Hey, how do 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:37.359 you prep for Junior Worlds? You know, so it's. 0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:38.279 Gonna be fun. Actually looked up. 0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:40.880 Remember we when we had sawhith On, we asked him 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.680 how many times he won Junior Worlds. So we're looking 0:39:43.680 --> 0:39:45.680 at the results and he won it when he was 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.319 seven seven to eight year old. Sawhith won and so 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.960 I had my kid, my kiddo looking at that and 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.759 getting pretty motivated, try to try to get in there 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.080 and see if he can he can keep up with Saw. 0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:01.439 You know, how's this game? Like, what's what's his game? 0:40:01.560 --> 0:40:05.759 Like? He he's sneaky good, like really high, really good 0:40:05.800 --> 0:40:09.919 hand eye coordination, so like manages the low point really well, 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.840 like very rarely thins one or chunks one, which is 0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:14.600 the big thing you see a lot with the with 0:40:14.680 --> 0:40:17.279 the juniors. Uh, he needs to be able to hit 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:19.000 the ball a little bit higher, so hits a kind 0:40:19.000 --> 0:40:22.319 of low, little steep, so he hits a little low 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.720 that could hold him back if you know, on some courses, 0:40:24.800 --> 0:40:27.399 if you got bunkers in front, some of the other 0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:29.719 kiddos kind of launched a little bit higher. But his 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.239 putting skills are really good. His bunker plays Shane. He 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:36.040 doesn't hit like a normal splash shot. He like picks 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:39.279 it but his but he his like skill level is 0:40:39.320 --> 0:40:41.560 so good. He picks it out of there and puts 0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:43.120 a ton of spin on his bunker shots. 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.040 So I just got nervous just hearing that. 0:40:45.080 --> 0:40:47.759 By the way, oh same, I'm always like I get 0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:50.479 the dad anxiety, but he always somehow pulls it off. 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.440 So yeah, I know it'll be fun. 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:52.719 News. 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:55.440 The good news about about about the help there is 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:57.040 you might know somebody that can help him get the 0:40:57.040 --> 0:40:57.719 ball up in the air. 0:40:57.600 --> 0:40:59.719 A little bit. Uh yeah, that quicker depending on some 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.400 of the equipment. Man, that is wild. 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.319 I can only imagine what that sensation is like when 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:06.880 you're caddying and how nervous you are. I remember caddying 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:09.399 on the LPGA tour and telling my friends I'm way 0:41:09.400 --> 0:41:12.759 more nervous caddying than playing, no doubt about it. I 0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:15.480 mean way more nervous. So I can only imagine what 0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:16.480 it's like doing it for your son. 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:18.600 Yeah, it'll be fun. We're excited. 0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:22.160 Junior World got on the calendar to watch out for 0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:26.200 the Jertson's. As always, this was fun man, appreciate the time, Marty. 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:28.960 As always, this is the Ping proven Grounds podcast.