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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds podcast.
Speaker 3: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by my man Marty
Speaker 3: Jerts and Marty. We talk a lot of equipment on
Speaker 3: this podcast. We talk a lot about ping gear on
Speaker 3: this podcast. Today we're gonna be selfish. We're gonna talk
Speaker 3: a little bit about ourselves on this podcast. I want
Speaker 3: to talk a little bit about tournament golf with you, scheduling, prepping,
Speaker 3: what the season looks like for you. You and I live
Speaker 3: in very different parts of the world, so our golf
Speaker 3: seasons are differentiate massively. I'm really getting into mind right now.
Speaker 3: Where are you in terms of yours? Kind of midsummer.
Speaker 2: Ours A PGA member, our Southwest section here, we actually
Speaker 2: play most of our tournaments in the summer, I mean
Speaker 2: all the the working pros, the club pros man. That's
Speaker 2: winner's busy season, the short on daylight. So we actually
Speaker 2: compress all of our tournaments kind of in the summer. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's hot, but that's what we do.
Speaker 1: Marty. Our lives are a little bit different too.
Speaker 3: Your kids are a little bit older, and I know
Speaker 3: your kiddos are playing tournament golf as well right now.
Speaker 3: Mine are a little bit younger, which obviously throws a
Speaker 3: bit of a wrinkle in terms of tournament golf. When
Speaker 3: you have a job and you've got all this stuff
Speaker 3: going on, sometimes it's not the easiest to lay out
Speaker 3: your schedule. What's a good number of tournaments for you
Speaker 3: a season? Are you playing in as many as you can,
Speaker 3: or are you kind of really picking and choosing what
Speaker 3: you're gonna play in.
Speaker 2: I if everything else allows, schedule wise, family stuff, work stuff,
Speaker 2: I try to play in our main Southwest section PG
Speaker 2: events like all the big ones, and then occasionally little
Speaker 2: one or two day kind of tournament series deals, and
Speaker 2: then I try to have a couple carrots out there
Speaker 2: to help really get me motivated. Chain so it's like
Speaker 2: a couple PG Tour Monday qualifiers. That space has all
Speaker 2: changed now, so I got to rethink my strat gee.
Speaker 2: I was actually just working on this the other night.
Speaker 2: Probably go up to there's still one gonna be one
Speaker 2: in Napa, There's gonna be one at the then in Utah.
Speaker 2: So I got those on the calendar. Always want to
Speaker 2: have one of those.
Speaker 3: Para care prequell. Do you have to pre qualify or
Speaker 3: do you can? You you get right in pre qualify?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, all right, so it's gonna make it
Speaker 2: more fun when you get in one, you know, all right.
Speaker 3: So so I always love asking good players this question
Speaker 3: because I get asked this question a lot in terms
Speaker 3: of qualifiers, because I'm playing a ton of qualifiers out here.
Speaker 3: You know the METS section, which I think is the
Speaker 3: best amateur section in the country. Yep, best golf courses.
Speaker 3: They do an amazing job of the tournaments. I have
Speaker 3: an idea of a number going into these qualifiers versus
Speaker 3: doing a USGA qualifier.
Speaker 1: When you do.
Speaker 3: Prequalls, do you have a number going in mind? Or
Speaker 3: does it just go out there and try to shoot
Speaker 3: just to play as good as you can play.
Speaker 2: I think I'm oh Man Shane. We could probably talk
Speaker 2: about this one topic forever. It would I would love
Speaker 2: to interview all all the better players and ask them
Speaker 2: how they feel on this there's no consensus on this.
Speaker 4: I always try.
Speaker 2: I always have kind of a little bit of a number, right,
Speaker 2: But I this is actually probably an area for as
Speaker 2: decent of a player I am, that I'm not that
Speaker 2: good at figuring out what players are gonna shoot that day.
Speaker 2: I remember doing a US Open locals. It was at
Speaker 2: Southern Dunes, you know, a handful of years ago. I
Speaker 2: thought I was playing like real, I thought I was
Speaker 2: playing easy, and so I tried to make a birdie
Speaker 2: on that eighteenth hole, ended up like hitting it down
Speaker 2: the water, taking a drop making it made a nice bogie. Shane,
Speaker 2: I'm like getting a playoff, and I'm like, I'm just
Speaker 2: not good. This is before the live scoring with all
Speaker 2: that stuff. Now now that actually really helps. But but
Speaker 2: regular pre qualifers, man, there's no live scoring. I think
Speaker 2: it's better to kind of have a number in mind.
Speaker 2: But but don't press. If you, if you, if you,
Speaker 2: if you know you think you need to be six
Speaker 2: and you're three going in the last four holes.
Speaker 3: The press scene is something that I have always struggled with.
Speaker 3: To your point, the idea of I've got two holes
Speaker 3: left I had. It happened to me last year there's
Speaker 3: a great amateur event at Standwich out here that they've
Speaker 3: been putting together, and it's basically a stroke play qualifier
Speaker 3: for sixteen spots. And I've got one of my best
Speaker 3: friends out here caddying for me. It's stand which is
Speaker 3: a tough golf course. I mean, I'm I'm two or
Speaker 3: three over on eighteen and these are like some of
Speaker 3: the best mid ams in the country and I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there thinking I gotta make three.
Speaker 1: I hit it in the middle of the green.
Speaker 3: Downhill, putt quick greens, thinking I gotta make it, run
Speaker 3: it four and a half feet by missed the comebacker,
Speaker 3: and now I'm in a seven for one playoff spot
Speaker 3: if I just too But you know, I'm on the
Speaker 3: sixteenth seed going to match play.
Speaker 1: I do find that is and you nailed it.
Speaker 3: Like that's a skill set that I feel like most
Speaker 3: pros are just or good players are bad at.
Speaker 1: In general.
Speaker 3: I have an idea of cut numbers, I feel like,
Speaker 3: and I got a good feel for those, But in
Speaker 3: terms of qualifiers, I just feel like it's something you
Speaker 3: always think is.
Speaker 1: Going to be lower than it is, Like we always
Speaker 1: assume low.
Speaker 2: I've been burned on both sides of the qualifiers. I'm
Speaker 2: at one time, Shane, so Shane. One time I got
Speaker 2: it in the Vegas event. We had a section qualifier
Speaker 2: to get in the Las Vegas PGA Tour event. I
Speaker 2: shot sixty five, and I played nearly flawless, like I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, normally come off the course. You're like
Speaker 2: I left a few out there. I was like, I
Speaker 2: was very clean, birdie. All the fives, made a few
Speaker 2: more no bogies. Sixty five, I've been sixty three. It
Speaker 2: was sixty five. No, No, I was like, sixty five,
Speaker 2: This is good. Like if it's a regular PJ Tour qualifier,
Speaker 2: I might make it in. And this kid from Tucson,
Speaker 2: preston On, I still remember him, shot sixty one and
Speaker 2: he holed out twice in the round. You know, but
Speaker 2: there's only one spot. I'm like, ah, but here I got.
Speaker 2: I got payback though, because that got me into the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour Monday qualifier. So I acted as my pre qualifier.
Speaker 2: I shot sixty five again two weeks later, and I
Speaker 2: got in the PGA Tour qualifier.
Speaker 4: So we both like a.
Speaker 1: Loss than it. It was like a loss than a win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a guy that has played a ton of golf.
Speaker 3: You you've played incredibly well, kind of a cross Arizona
Speaker 3: and beyond. I know you've won a lot of tournaments.
Speaker 3: In terms of preparing for a golf tournament, do you
Speaker 3: set goals? Do you have a process that you kind
Speaker 3: of go through that's typical?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 3: Now it's it's a Wednesday morning round and you've got
Speaker 3: a three or four day tournament, and you know the
Speaker 3: golf courses and you show up, like, how do you
Speaker 3: prepare for let's call them big Arizona golf tournaments.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I kind of view golf preparation training in general it's
Speaker 2: like you have this foundation of core skills. So it's
Speaker 2: like you always kind of want to be working on
Speaker 2: those fundamental things. Man, maybe it's your block practice and
Speaker 2: your putting, basic chips, basic bunker shots, right, wedge distance control.
Speaker 2: Driving is pretty much always needs to be worked on.
Speaker 2: It's the most important to your score. It's you know,
Speaker 2: so people stand on the range hit drivers. I'm a
Speaker 2: fan of that generally speaking. So that's I kind of
Speaker 2: kind of view that as the found Shane. And then
Speaker 2: if you have if I have like a specific tournament
Speaker 2: coming up, I will look at the golf course, the conditions,
Speaker 2: the weather, and then start refining what do I need
Speaker 2: to do from this foundation to make it specifically optimized
Speaker 2: and timing. You know, it's like it's all about you know,
Speaker 2: Tiger or Rory, all these guys trying to get ramped
Speaker 2: up for their majors. Maybe that tournament is my major.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's Arizona Open. Right, I'm gonna be how can
Speaker 2: I get my game ramped up for that specific tournament?
Speaker 2: And I need to look at what is important for
Speaker 2: that event. Is it gonna be a more emphasis on driving,
Speaker 2: more emphasis on driving distance? Is it like, let's say
Speaker 2: we're playing Papago with Arizona Open in a few months here,
Speaker 2: Shane or six weeks or so, I'm gonna need to
Speaker 2: use my I'm gonna need my two thirty two fifty
Speaker 2: clubs for those long part threes. I need to hit
Speaker 2: a plenty of shots with the IDI three iron, four
Speaker 2: iron because those long part threes might be the separator, right,
Speaker 2: all those long part threes they have out there. So
Speaker 2: it's like, but another tournament might not have that, Like
Speaker 2: that shot might not be important at all, So I
Speaker 2: don't need to be wasting my time or spending my
Speaker 2: effort on that. Because you and I are similar, you
Speaker 2: know so much time available. It's all about priorities, Like
Speaker 2: what is the priorities you should be working on? So
Speaker 2: if you have one tournament on the calendar and you
Speaker 2: want to optimize for that, you want to start thinking
Speaker 2: about what areas your game or equipment adjustments do you
Speaker 2: need to make to optimize for that particular event.
Speaker 3: When you say you do some prep in terms of conditions, weather,
Speaker 3: things like that, are you a Google Earth guy? Like,
Speaker 3: what are you doing maybe away from that golf course.
Speaker 3: If it's not a practice around, it's a golf course,
Speaker 3: you've played like a pop a goo? Yeah, what are
Speaker 3: you doing in terms of that prep? Is it online prep?
Speaker 1: Like? What are you what are you using to kind
Speaker 1: of get that information?
Speaker 2: This has gotten a lot easier because I was a
Speaker 2: Google Earth guy before. All these nice golf apps are
Speaker 2: out there that you can preview the golf course. So
Speaker 2: I either use Arcos or there's a great app out
Speaker 2: there called shot Pattern, have a preview the round mode.
Speaker 2: Absolutely love it. A lot of these are are conforming
Speaker 2: to use during the tournament. With it, it turns off you know,
Speaker 2: weather conditions and just like putting your rangefinder off of
Speaker 2: slow mode, actually use those on the course. So that's
Speaker 2: a great way to preview the golf course, right, is
Speaker 2: to go on use one of these apps. I think
Speaker 2: even probably eighteen Birdies has some of these features and
Speaker 2: things of that nature. So that's got a lot more
Speaker 2: convenient to do instead of doing a physical practice round.
Speaker 2: I recommend for tournament golfers out there always do that
Speaker 2: you know, virtual practice round first on one of these
Speaker 2: golf apps and then you kind of confirm things because
Speaker 2: there all it's always gonna be a little bit different
Speaker 2: in person.
Speaker 3: Are you a practice wrong guy, because I'm I'm I
Speaker 3: kind of hate him, like, oh man, I really am
Speaker 3: not a big practice round guy. Same, I think it's
Speaker 3: just boring golf to me. Yes, unless you can get
Speaker 3: a little math with your buddies, and so the tournament
Speaker 3: needs to be really big for me to do a
Speaker 3: practice round. By the way, Marty, my favorite thing to
Speaker 3: do out here is a lot about the fifth hole,
Speaker 3: and I'll be like, does this one go left? Guys,
Speaker 3: if you're not playing it, I'm like, no, I never
Speaker 3: play them.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: But the same as you is like time time, and again,
Speaker 3: I mean it's a difference in Yeah, if I'm twenty
Speaker 3: eight years old, you know, I'm obviously going to spend
Speaker 3: a lot more time doing this. But at my age
Speaker 3: and what I've got to do in my life and
Speaker 3: travel and things like that go in and if I've
Speaker 3: got to drive two hours to a golf course, so
Speaker 3: now it's four hours in the car, four hours on
Speaker 3: the golf course, it's the whole day. It's tough for
Speaker 3: me to do it. But as you said, like arcos,
Speaker 3: I use Arcos. They're incredible in terms of credible for
Speaker 3: these golf courses.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, so that's a fantastic So that's definitely something
Speaker 2: I think everyone should kind of kind of get in
Speaker 2: the routine of. And then shee. I kind of view
Speaker 2: it as like how how far out is the tournament?
Speaker 2: You know, It's like it's kind of like preparing for
Speaker 2: finals when you're in, you know, like there's a build
Speaker 2: up to it, you know, so it's kind of work
Speaker 2: on the fundamentals. If you need more speed, you need
Speaker 2: to work on your driving, you need to start. You
Speaker 2: can't do that the week before. You got to give
Speaker 2: yourself six eight weeks if you, you know, lay out
Speaker 2: your calendar and try to optimize things for that, and
Speaker 2: then as it gets closer, you can do more specific
Speaker 2: skills in practice, more random practice, more gamified practice to
Speaker 2: help get you in that routine as it gets a
Speaker 2: lot closer to the event. Yeah, I think you and
Speaker 2: I are probably similar shame where it's like you might
Speaker 2: go a long time without having a putt that matters,
Speaker 2: and so I think a really big deal as you
Speaker 2: get really close to those events is holding like holding
Speaker 2: a lot of four to twelve footers, like because you
Speaker 2: could totally go out there and just be lagging putts
Speaker 2: or doing your block practice three footers in your house
Speaker 2: on your mat or on a chalcol line real quick,
Speaker 2: and then you get on You get on that first
Speaker 2: hole and you got like an eight footer and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: I haven't hit it in four months. Here that matters,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: I mean I think the same way Marty with tap ins,
Speaker 3: Like I think the same thing with like putts inside
Speaker 3: of two feet. I remember during COVID, I was playing
Speaker 3: a ton of golf at Papago with certain PGA Tour
Speaker 3: players and I remember one of them going to an
Speaker 3: event once the tournament's returned, and getting a text on Thursdays,
Speaker 3: like my first hole, I have like a two footer
Speaker 3: to tap.
Speaker 1: In and I had to hit one of those in
Speaker 1: a month and a half.
Speaker 3: You know, So I think any of that stuff like, yeah,
Speaker 3: anything that's gonna make you nervous, work on that before
Speaker 3: you get to the tournament. And that brings me to
Speaker 3: my next question to you, as somebody that's a great
Speaker 3: player and tends to play very solid golf in tournaments,
Speaker 3: how do you bring your best when it matters the most.
Speaker 3: Because so many people can play great golf away from
Speaker 3: the tournament, they get to the tournament.
Speaker 1: They're super nervous there. They freak themselves out.
Speaker 3: They don't even allow themselves to go out and kind
Speaker 3: of reach their capabilities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I I feel like I've I have done
Speaker 2: that a little bit shame where I can to elevate
Speaker 2: my game in tournaments. Maybe you might go play I
Speaker 2: might go play a casual round of golf. I'm and
Speaker 2: shoot five over par and look like a hacker, and
Speaker 2: then you know it's like, Okay, you getting a tough tournament.
Speaker 2: He shot shot three under on a very tough conditions.
Speaker 2: And in in ahead of the field a little bit.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's focusing on that process, like it's
Speaker 2: being very process oriented and having a good strategy. So
Speaker 2: I you know, I'm I think a lot of good
Speaker 2: tournament golfers know. Now, not not all of them. I
Speaker 2: don't think every tournament golfer knows.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 2: You know is how to have a really good strategy,
Speaker 2: which is knowing when to be conservative, knowing when I
Speaker 2: say conservative, like avoid a bogie right, like your goal
Speaker 2: keep the ball in the fair way, Uh, get that
Speaker 2: ball in the middle of the green. A lot of
Speaker 2: touugh pins in tournament golf, even in our section stuff.
Speaker 2: I just won a tournament last week, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of these back pins. And even if you have wedge in.
Speaker 2: I was looking back around me, looking around a lot
Speaker 2: of people like going for the pin, going over the green,
Speaker 2: you got a grainy chip uphill, short sighted, they're making
Speaker 2: bogie even though I got one thirty in. I'm leaving
Speaker 2: at thirty feet short of the pin, taking my chances,
Speaker 2: maybe sneaking in one of those birdies, but never short
Speaker 2: sighting it, never making a bogie when you shouldn't, even
Speaker 2: though might look a little boring might not be the
Speaker 2: most exciting. It's knowing when to take those chances when
Speaker 2: you got the green light to try to make a birdie.
Speaker 2: And so there's a lot on core strategy there and
Speaker 2: then just decoupling from the result and being very process oriented,
Speaker 2: like I got my game plan. Unless something goes crazy
Speaker 2: here with conditions or I need to make two birdies
Speaker 2: to make the cut or try to win, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: kind of stick to the game plan, be very very
Speaker 2: methodical on core strategy, and I think that's that's that's
Speaker 2: a big part of what allows you know, good players
Speaker 2: to kind of play their best in the in those
Speaker 2: tournament conditions.
Speaker 3: You know, when I moved to the Northeast in twenty one,
Speaker 3: I had a couple of year stretch where I was
Speaker 3: playing the qualifiers great. I haven't played great as of late.
Speaker 3: My games just hadn't been that sharp, and honestly haven't
Speaker 3: spent a lot of time on it, which is a
Speaker 3: big problem. You got to spend time in the golf
Speaker 3: game to improve it. But I remember to your point
Speaker 3: about strategy in those qualifiers, I always felt like my
Speaker 3: strategy was going to be an a plus, Like I
Speaker 3: was never gonna pull a club off of tea. I
Speaker 3: was uncomfortable with, even if it's a golf course, I
Speaker 3: don't know that well and I don't totally know what's
Speaker 3: up there, kind of playing short of whatever that might be,
Speaker 3: so then you can still make that committed golf swing.
Speaker 3: You know, you see so many players on the first
Speaker 3: t kind of ruin their chances out of the gate.
Speaker 3: And I always wonder sometimes where you committed to the
Speaker 3: swing to begin with, right where you committed to the
Speaker 3: decision to begin with. And I just feel like when
Speaker 3: you see players that are successful in this game in
Speaker 3: terms of tournament golf, it's a lot of just positive
Speaker 3: decision making, even over execution.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I could not agree more. Shame, but it is.
Speaker 2: It's easier said than done, because when you're out there,
Speaker 2: when you're out there and maybe you're maybe maybe I'm
Speaker 2: playing in a PGA Tour Monday qualifier and I'm playing
Speaker 2: with somebody that hits it further than me and birdies
Speaker 2: the first two holes, and you can't help but be like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I got to start putting the pedal to the metal,
Speaker 2: like like you know, unless you literally close your eyes
Speaker 2: you're like Adam Scott not watching Tiger Woods in his prime,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like, uh, you know, it's
Speaker 2: very easy to get influenced by either your expectation of
Speaker 2: what the results are, the score, the number needs to
Speaker 2: be who you're playing with. Maybe you're playing to partners,
Speaker 2: it's the opposite. Maybe they're playing terrible and you and
Speaker 2: then it makes you feel like you're playing really good,
Speaker 2: making a bunch of pars and you know somebody in
Speaker 2: the group behind you is is eight under right, So
Speaker 2: it's like, how do you decouple? How do you be
Speaker 2: in your own little bubble?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 2: And I think that's what the elite players are actually
Speaker 2: really skilled at doing, is kind of having their own bubble,
Speaker 2: having their own strategy, sticking to it kind of. And
Speaker 2: that's maybe, Shane, that's what I meant by being decoupled
Speaker 2: from the result. It's kind of having your own little
Speaker 2: independence out there of what your goals are. And maybe
Speaker 2: sometimes it's gonna shake out in the end. Sometimes it's not.
Speaker 3: I when I get nervous and I want to ask
Speaker 3: about nerves on the golf course, I mean, something I've
Speaker 3: done well, it's probably a bit of a vision fifty
Speaker 3: four kind of philosophy to it. But you know, when
Speaker 3: I get nervous occasionally over a putt, like a tricky
Speaker 3: five footter, maybe it's an iron shot into a green.
Speaker 3: A lot of the times I'll tell myself it's it's
Speaker 3: just an eight iron or just hit a solid putt.
Speaker 3: You know, like trying to simplify all of that whole
Speaker 3: process that goes in your brain. Are you aligned correctly?
Speaker 3: Did you read it right? All those things? Just getting
Speaker 3: back to make a good swing, make a good stroke.
Speaker 3: That's kind of all you can do once that, once
Speaker 3: the leaves the club face, the results kind of done
Speaker 3: on your end, and it's up to you know, the
Speaker 3: green and the bumps and the fit in the wind,
Speaker 3: and you know all of those things and those factors.
Speaker 3: How do you deal with nerves, Like when you get
Speaker 3: nervous on the first tea or in a tournament, or
Speaker 3: when you've played a major championships? How do you deal
Speaker 3: with the level of nerves that come with either that
Speaker 3: first t shot or trying to close out around at
Speaker 3: a big golf tournament.
Speaker 2: I I always still to this day, any tournament, it
Speaker 2: any tournament I plan, I get nervous on the first
Speaker 2: tea shot. I don't know, Shane. I'm like, I'm it's
Speaker 2: it's past the point of me trying to figure out
Speaker 2: how not to get nervous and more. Just I just
Speaker 2: embrace it. It's like, Okay, this is coming. Don't have
Speaker 2: the anxiety. You're gonna have these feelings. You're gonna have
Speaker 2: these nervousness feelings, and and and with that comes like
Speaker 2: the doubt, you know what I mean, Like there's gonna
Speaker 2: be demons out there. So I mean, Shane, I breathing
Speaker 2: is super important. So there's a lot of different breathing
Speaker 2: techniques out there. I've experimented with a ton of them.
Speaker 2: I always kind of shake, try to shake, shake around
Speaker 2: a little bit like a boxer, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: There's some things with the nervous system that could kind
Speaker 2: of calm me down. First, Yeah, get that energy out
Speaker 2: a little bit, get that little energy out. Waggling super important,
Speaker 2: Breathing super important. And then, Shane, I mean a big,
Speaker 2: big one for me is I never hit have to
Speaker 2: hit a I never try to hit a three winner
Speaker 2: of long iron out that first team. If I'm in doubt,
Speaker 2: I'm hitting driver.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Man, there is nothing worse than when you get on
Speaker 3: the first tea of a tournament you haven't seen or
Speaker 3: don't know a lot about, and it's like two eighty
Speaker 3: run out and you go, oh goodness.
Speaker 4: Whatever, Oh yeah, no, I do not want to.
Speaker 3: On the first tea shout out Molinari a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago with Pebble. It's like, happens to the best
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 1: Man, we all have done it.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I also think it's that the embracing
Speaker 3: it is so important, and I think that's one of
Speaker 3: those things that comes with age, is you understand everybody
Speaker 3: here is a little nervous. Yeah, like nobody hears comfortable.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing I think about sometimes in match play.
Speaker 3: When you're playing a guy in play, it's like you're
Speaker 3: kind of waiting for them potentially to make a mistake,
Speaker 3: and it's like they're not gonna hit every eight iron perfect,
Speaker 3: so just kind of kind of plod along and keep
Speaker 3: getting the ball on the green, keep putting the pressure
Speaker 3: on them, because if they hit every aight iron perfect,
Speaker 3: they'd be playing in a different space than this space
Speaker 3: I'm in right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think talking about nerve Shane is
Speaker 2: like Tiger. I mean Tiger on the first tee, that guy,
Speaker 2: he got more. It was more nervous than I've probably
Speaker 2: ever been. First t shots were always terrible. I mean,
Speaker 2: what was up with that? And I think it's just
Speaker 2: that he cared so much. He was so pent up.
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the fact that you are
Speaker 2: nervous means you care. That's a good thing. Learn how
Speaker 2: to embrace it. I think when it comes to nerves
Speaker 2: on putting, Shane. One thing that's helped me, and this
Speaker 2: is different for everybody, is I putt in my routine
Speaker 2: is all breathing based, So I like I I take
Speaker 2: the putter back after I do a huge X sale
Speaker 2: on my fourth in my putting routine. So it's like,
Speaker 2: if you can have consistency in that routine, that gives
Speaker 2: me something to rely on no matter what the putt is,
Speaker 2: whether it's a two footer tap in or I got
Speaker 2: an eight foot slippery slider to qualify for the PGA Championship,
Speaker 2: I'm using that same routine. It's a no known and
Speaker 2: and then once you do that xal, you release the putt. Okay,
Speaker 2: I've done what I could kind of like you were saying, Shane,
Speaker 2: and let the results shake out.
Speaker 3: I think consistency is also helpful in terms of prepping
Speaker 3: for tournaments. You know, consistency, whether it's like knowing what
Speaker 3: you have in the bag. I mean, I'm a very
Speaker 3: consistent like snack guy. I know what I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: in my bag when I'm playing tournaments. I've got a
Speaker 3: Laura bar, I've got almonds, I've got like LM and
Speaker 3: T stuff for the water. I've got to like, I'll
Speaker 3: do a sandwich if I know it kind of crosses
Speaker 3: over into lunch time. You got a early tea time,
Speaker 3: even a late tea time. I'll make all that stuff
Speaker 3: and have all that stuff in my bag. What do
Speaker 3: you do in terms of prepping, not just for what's
Speaker 3: in your bag, but maybe like day day or two before.
Speaker 3: Do you change the way you work out? Do you
Speaker 3: change the way you prep stretching any of that stuff?
Speaker 3: Do you do anything different in that world as you
Speaker 3: get closer and closer to tournament days?
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Take care of the body. I mean, that's another big
Speaker 2: part of it. If you're talking tournament prep. If you know,
Speaker 2: if we have a tournament, you're walking and and you know,
Speaker 2: me being a you know a lot of our listeners
Speaker 2: out there are you know, eight to five type folks.
Speaker 2: But if you got a tournament coming up where you're
Speaker 2: gonna be walking, put a little bit of time in
Speaker 2: on the fitness side, make sure you don't get worn
Speaker 2: out on that front. But yeah, definitely, I think it's uh,
Speaker 2: there's a lot to scheduling. I would I would love
Speaker 2: Shane to kind of talk and maybe you have on
Speaker 2: your some of your other pods, just talk about the
Speaker 2: tour players and how they do their scheduling of every
Speaker 2: like every little minute leading up to whether it's morning
Speaker 2: tea time, late tea time. Sometimes you get done, you
Speaker 2: finish in the dark, but you gotta come back and
Speaker 2: finish early. So many little logistics there on how much
Speaker 2: time you have for those warm ups, but yeah, a
Speaker 2: couple days before, make sure you take care of the
Speaker 2: body and make sure Actually a lot of people set
Speaker 2: their alarm for when they should wake up. So if
Speaker 2: I have those tournaments, I kinda on my notes app
Speaker 2: on my phone, have all the little details there when
Speaker 2: I'm gonna warm up, when I'm gonna get to the gym,
Speaker 2: when I'm gonna eat, when I'm gonna get my coffee
Speaker 2: if I need to. But also put on there what
Speaker 2: time you should be going to sleep, set an alarm
Speaker 2: for what time you're going to sleep. That's a really
Speaker 2: big deal, especially if you're traveling East coast, West coast,
Speaker 2: international things of that nature.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest thing is extremely enormous. Another thing I
Speaker 3: think that I've seen in tournament golf I've experienced in
Speaker 3: tournament golf a little bit is prepping for what's gonna
Speaker 3: happen out of the gate. And when I say that,
Speaker 3: I mean like you got to prep for the good
Speaker 3: and you've got to prep for the bad. I think
Speaker 3: a lot of the time people that don't do a
Speaker 3: lot of tournament golf are almost prepared for something bad
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I'm nervous. You know, I might make
Speaker 3: bogie out of the gate, that's fine, whatever. I remember
Speaker 3: playing a qualifier a couple of years ago, and it
Speaker 3: was that, of course, just outside of Hartford. First hole
Speaker 3: is about three forty. Yeah, you don't really hit driver there.
Speaker 1: But you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember I was playing with a kid
Speaker 3: and he just pummels his driver, like right at the
Speaker 3: front of the green.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that was a good swing.
Speaker 3: When we get up there and he's about forty feet
Speaker 3: away on the green and he makes the putt makes
Speaker 3: at the first hole, and he I look at him
Speaker 3: as he's walking off the green and he's got a
Speaker 3: look on his face that says, I was never prepared
Speaker 3: to be two under who on this round of golf.
Speaker 1: And we were awalking off to tea and he said,
Speaker 1: he said, oh, man, mann't I didn't think I was
Speaker 1: gonna make two.
Speaker 3: And it was almost like he didn't want to make
Speaker 3: the two yeah, even though obviously any scores better than
Speaker 3: one higher. And so I do think sometimes it's like
Speaker 3: like when you're on the first tee when when you're
Speaker 3: prepping for a tournament, understanding I have the capability of
Speaker 3: playing well, just like I have the capability of playing poorly.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's such a great point. Shane is
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: The the this goes back to patients, stick it to your
Speaker 2: plan is I have a philosophy that your strategy should
Speaker 2: be a little bit transient. So what I mean by
Speaker 2: that is that whole you're talking about three forty maybe
Speaker 2: you can go for it, but maybe there's out of
Speaker 2: bounds up there. You you do not want to start
Speaker 2: your round with a t shot out of bounds.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's like, so I always take a more conservative strategy
Speaker 2: strategy early in the round, you get a feel for
Speaker 2: the conditions, your sense how you're hitting it. And then
Speaker 2: if there is a variation where a decision in the
Speaker 2: round where you can be slightly more aggressive or not,
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you know, you know, maybe don't do that.
Speaker 2: Maybe don't do that as early in the round. Right,
Speaker 2: So you want to kind of have this kind of
Speaker 2: little boring, methodical, maybe a little more conservative start. That's
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit bit different for everybody, but
Speaker 2: it's something to think about with the tournament golf, right
Speaker 2: is like, how do you how do you transition your
Speaker 2: conservative to aggressive strategy transient through the course of a
Speaker 2: round and then certainly through the course of a tournament. Right, So,
Speaker 2: if you're playing Monday qualifier and you're the last tea
Speaker 2: time out and you're refreshing out of your app and
Speaker 2: you see the scores and you need to burdy the
Speaker 2: last three holes, yes, play more aggressive aggressive, But if
Speaker 2: you're in a seventy two hole event. If I'm playing
Speaker 2: a seventy two hole event that's the PGA Professional National Championship,
Speaker 2: that qualifies me for the PGA. I'm gonna be way
Speaker 2: more conservative. You're gonna have a regression to the mean
Speaker 2: on your finishers in that event and the skill level
Speaker 2: over seventy two holes, major cut, all that stuff. You
Speaker 2: want to be way more methodical. If you make a bogie,
Speaker 2: do not worry. You got a massive amount of holes.
Speaker 2: You make a bogie in a Monday qualifier where scores
Speaker 2: are gonna be low, yeah, you probably need to ramp
Speaker 2: it up and be a little bit more aggressive. So
Speaker 2: strategy is transient. I think that's that's both forgetting your
Speaker 2: round started and relative to your success in the event.
Speaker 1: Marty.
Speaker 3: You know Matt Fitzpatrick's kind of been famous for he
Speaker 3: notes all of his shots. Yeah, I mean people have
Speaker 3: talked a lot about this. You're an extremely smart guy
Speaker 3: that pays a lot of attention to everything going on,
Speaker 3: not just in golf, but what you're doing with your golf.
Speaker 3: What do you do in terms of notations throughout tournament
Speaker 3: golf to maybe help you out the next day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I use in the stack app. We actually
Speaker 2: have a way to categorize your putting, So we have
Speaker 2: a putting mode and then you can keep very detailed notes.
Speaker 2: It's with the same level of detail that actually Fitzpatrick
Speaker 2: does with his putting for your putting stats, and that's
Speaker 2: been supremely helpful for me, Shane. So I have a
Speaker 2: little notation I do on on the bottom of my scorecard,
Speaker 2: the little perforated part that I keep where I actually
Speaker 2: now walk off every putt or I can. Once you
Speaker 2: kind of get this down, you can estimate it pretty well, like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got a thirty two foot downhill right to left,
Speaker 2: and then catries if you missed it, why you missed it?
Speaker 2: Was it a misread, was it a misread of the
Speaker 2: was it mystery of the line? Was it misread of
Speaker 2: the speed? Did you start it too far right or
Speaker 2: too far left of your intended start line? Or did
Speaker 2: you roll it too fast or too slow relative to
Speaker 2: how you intended? And that has been super helpful for
Speaker 2: my own personal feedback and awareness of what are my
Speaker 2: trends and traits on putting. So I like, quite often
Speaker 2: if I'm not putting great, my speed will be too slow,
Speaker 2: Like I'll come up short on very makeable putts. I
Speaker 2: have a strategy Shane influenced and informed a little bit
Speaker 2: by the work of Mark Brody, and I kind of
Speaker 2: asked him this, like, what are your thoughts on this,
Speaker 2: is that when I get to thirty feet or beyond,
Speaker 2: I kind of just go to lag mode, like just
Speaker 2: try to solve for the ball ending up perfectly whole high.
Speaker 2: And the reason why is a PG two or average putter,
Speaker 2: their average strokes to hole out from thirty feet is
Speaker 2: like two, so you're equally as likely to make it
Speaker 2: as three put So I'm like, okay, thirty feet, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna lag it. Generally speaking, then if I'm twenty five
Speaker 2: feet are in, I could kind of try to have
Speaker 2: optimal capture speed to get myself good odds of making it.
Speaker 2: And when I'm not putting good, I will come up
Speaker 2: short from you know, fifteen to twenty five feet, or
Speaker 2: my speed's just a little too conservative, a little too slow.
Speaker 2: But keeping those stats has helped kind of highlight that
Speaker 2: where I otherwise probably wouldn't have noticed it. And that's
Speaker 2: kind of the benefit of stats tracking that's been super
Speaker 2: helpful for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating. I mean, I love
Speaker 3: the idea of like understanding what's available with a putt.
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about it.
Speaker 3: You remember a few weeks ago in Canada there was
Speaker 3: that playoff and he was, yeah, Fox and was it
Speaker 3: Fox and Sam Burns? I think that was in the
Speaker 3: playoff And if you remember, Fox flags it on like
Speaker 3: the fourth playoff hole and he has like eight or
Speaker 3: nine feet for eagle. And I was watching it with
Speaker 3: a buddy of mine who like a pro golfer buddy
Speaker 3: of mine, and I said, like, Burn's had the downhill putt,
Speaker 3: you know, and he's probably thirty feet away. And I said,
Speaker 3: if I was Sam Burns caddy walking up, I would
Speaker 3: remind Sam, I know, you want to make this for
Speaker 3: eaglep but I would remind him of the percentage make
Speaker 3: for a guy from Fox's distance, just to remind him
Speaker 3: that that he could maybe more likely to miss this
Speaker 3: than make it. And then what happens is Burn runs
Speaker 3: it by ten feet missus the comebacker. Now all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you've given the golf tournament away, and you
Speaker 3: know it. Just I think that diving in percentages, like listen,
Speaker 3: it's nerdy and It probably takes a lot of time
Speaker 3: and it's cumbersome, but even just looking at that tour
Speaker 3: level stuff to remind you if you're playing a match,
Speaker 3: you're playing a tournament.
Speaker 1: Some guy's got twelve feet.
Speaker 3: It's like there's a twenty percent chance that tour guys
Speaker 3: make this putt right. Yeah, and it's just reminding you
Speaker 3: what's available even in your own game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's like poker man, this is my
Speaker 2: We had Chris Coma on you remember, and he was
Speaker 2: talking all about poker and how he learned so much
Speaker 2: from playing that and how he's bringing it into his coaching.
Speaker 2: You got Victor talking about playing a lot of poker.
Speaker 2: You better believe those guys are running those you know,
Speaker 2: the the best, better players are running those advanced calculations
Speaker 2: for sure, Shane. Match plays a whole different story on
Speaker 2: how you want to optimize and core strategy and things
Speaker 2: of that nature. But a playoff, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: So that's a that's a great point. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot to it. Capture speed at the in
Speaker 2: the putting lab, we just installed a zen green stage
Speaker 2: and we've been doing some great uh putting with it
Speaker 2: and it's in practice and learning and how we're gonna
Speaker 2: inform our putter fitting. But you know, it just reminded
Speaker 2: me of one of those other things great insights about
Speaker 2: putting that you're you're, you know, a downhill putt, if
Speaker 2: you don't make it the optimal capture speed, that putt
Speaker 2: might roll by like three feet, but on an uphillar
Speaker 2: optimal capture speed the putt might only go by six
Speaker 2: or twelve inches. So how far it goes back past
Speaker 2: the hole is going to be depending on whether uphill
Speaker 2: or downhill.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's there's so much that goes into it,
Speaker 3: you know, And I mean, I just find it so
Speaker 3: fascinating to kind of think about, you know, tournament golf
Speaker 3: for people that either played a lot or don't play
Speaker 3: it that often because you know, the older you get
Speaker 3: your club, your local MUNI, like your buddy's club, Like
Speaker 3: even going on golf trips, you know, I mean, guys
Speaker 3: can kind of freak themselves out going out there and
Speaker 3: having to play for money or play consistent golf all
Speaker 3: the time. And it's just trying to like find a
Speaker 3: way that it makes you the most comfortable and hitting
Speaker 3: golf shots that make you the most comfortable, you know,
Speaker 3: if you can kind of like, if you're aware of that,
Speaker 3: it's probably the easiest way to succeed in this space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, Shane. Yeah.
Speaker 2: One other thing that came to mind. You kind of
Speaker 2: asked me about, you know, how do you play maybe
Speaker 2: a little bit better in that tournament golf. Is I'm
Speaker 2: playing casual play. I'm kind of just trying to have
Speaker 2: some fun, maybe aim at some pin, you know, I
Speaker 2: aim in a lot of pins.
Speaker 4: You know, I get quite frankly, it might be.
Speaker 2: A little bit boring, get me hit the middle of
Speaker 2: the green if I'm out there just playing casual golf.
Speaker 2: But man, once that tournament comes around, and Shane, I
Speaker 2: learned this in the Gateway Tour because you remember your
Speaker 2: days on the Gateway, Man, they would put the flags.
Speaker 2: I mean, I have some old books where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: every pin's three. Sometimes I saw it two on the.
Speaker 1: Spots on the green.
Speaker 3: Sometimes the practice rounds, like we would walk around a
Speaker 3: green and go one round, one round. You know, it
Speaker 3: was like the hardest pins on the on the golf
Speaker 3: on the green.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I still have some of the sheets. I think they
Speaker 2: have a two on there.
Speaker 4: You know. So it's like that.
Speaker 2: But but in hindsight, that's where I learned the skill
Speaker 2: to to to not even care where the flag is,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so that's a really
Speaker 2: big deal. I think for your everyday golfer, start your
Speaker 2: ram man, just very conservative strategy in terms of trying
Speaker 2: to hit hit hit center of the greens, make sure
Speaker 2: you get your tupat try try a little bit harder
Speaker 2: to not make bogie than you do try to make birdie.
Speaker 2: But you do want to know when you can green
Speaker 2: light it. You know, that's a very important thing. The best,
Speaker 2: the better players, man, they are playing aggressive, they know
Speaker 2: when to green light it. So and that's a very
Speaker 2: fine line Marty.
Speaker 3: You've talked about this on other pods. You're a big
Speaker 3: like travel tournament guy. You're taking a lot of golf clubs.
Speaker 3: I mean you're traveling with fifteen sixteen clubs, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean the idea is obviously depending on conditions, depending
Speaker 3: on when, depending on whether I want to be prepared
Speaker 3: to be able to throw in a lofted wood versus
Speaker 3: a long iron, things like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, equipment's a big deal. I mean, the big ones
Speaker 2: for me Shane or generally like Idi or a five wood,
Speaker 2: you know, or sometimes the hybrid, so they'll have kind
Speaker 2: of three options in that space and then wedges for
Speaker 2: different grinds occasionally. So if I'm going to Florida or
Speaker 2: somewhere maybe the Northeast, some are very powdery bunkers. I
Speaker 2: remember I played the PGA Championship at Atlanta Athletic Club.
Speaker 2: I mean, the the bunkers were so powdery and sandy.
Speaker 2: I would play a lot wider sole wedge there. Sometimes
Speaker 2: you even get with some of those big events, man,
Speaker 2: I would switch from four wedges to three. I did
Speaker 2: that at PGA Championship one year because I needed mine
Speaker 2: more clubs for those two fifty part three I mean
Speaker 2: Oakmont probably, you know, if I would have played at Oakmont,
Speaker 2: I probably would have gone to three wedges and had
Speaker 2: a couple more options for those long part threes and
Speaker 2: long second shots and approach shots everything they were having
Speaker 2: into the green.
Speaker 4: So yeah, a couple couple.
Speaker 2: You know, it's mostly on the kind of the two
Speaker 2: ends of the bag, the transition clubs. Maybe some wedge grinds,
Speaker 2: but you know, different trajectories depending on turf conditions and
Speaker 2: win so as.
Speaker 3: We wrap, what's the next tourney for you? And what's
Speaker 3: like the what's the goal? Like, what's your twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five goal? I want to do X.
Speaker 1: Do you have a goal?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I think my goal is to win the Southwest
Speaker 2: Section Player of the Year. I came in second. I
Speaker 2: came in second on the pointsless last year. My next
Speaker 2: event Shane's next week Southwest Section match Play, and I
Speaker 2: am the defending champion. So I did win the match
Speaker 2: play last year in Moon Valley. It's a little different animal,
Speaker 2: gotta be patient. I played some bad golf and got
Speaker 2: lucky because my part, my opponents played worse than me,
Speaker 2: and then I just timed it out. I played great
Speaker 2: golf against my tougher competitors. So yeah, hopefully make a
Speaker 2: little run there at the match play. It'd be fun
Speaker 2: to get two in a row. Got the Arizona Open
Speaker 2: later this year, got our sections championship Arizona Open. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had a good run last year. I think
Speaker 2: that was my best finish. I finished fourth, and you know,
Speaker 2: had a good battle against some of our corn Corn
Speaker 2: Ferry Tour player on our staff and Nico Giletti from
Speaker 2: ASU plays on the Corn Ferry Tour this year was
Speaker 2: a DP World Tour player last year played with him.
Speaker 2: So hopefully I have another little run of Arizona Open
Speaker 2: and Section Championship couple Tour qualifiers later this year.
Speaker 4: How about you.
Speaker 3: I've got I've got some qualifiers coming up for some
Speaker 3: of the CSGA, like Connecticut Golf stuff coming up, like
Speaker 3: the mid Am you know, the bummer, the bummer for me,
Speaker 3: and I mean, it is what it is. It's my
Speaker 3: job in my life. But so much of the awesome
Speaker 3: stuff up here falls during our busy corn Ferry Tour run. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I cover all the corn Fairy touff. We
Speaker 3: had Gilata in a window a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 3: by the oh yeah great, But a lot of that
Speaker 3: stuff falls. So one thing I have been doing that
Speaker 3: has been great, and this is kind of the first
Speaker 3: year I've done it is Connecticut.
Speaker 1: The CSGA, which they.
Speaker 3: Do a great job in terms of like amateur you know,
Speaker 3: competitive golf. They have these one day series events and
Speaker 3: they do about twenty of them during the season. They're
Speaker 3: all on Mondays, and they're all at these really cool
Speaker 3: golf courses. But I mean it's a ton of people
Speaker 3: show up, you play foursomes, they give you carts. You
Speaker 3: kind of fly around, but you know, you kind of
Speaker 3: go out there and try to shoot two or three
Speaker 3: under and if you do that, you might win one.
Speaker 3: But it's just, you know, like you talked about can
Speaker 3: headitive golf, tournament golf, and the way you were speaking
Speaker 3: about it, I feel very similar. I find myself probably
Speaker 3: lazy golf when I'm just out.
Speaker 1: Playing with my buddies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I love the feeling of every shot mattering, oh yeah.
Speaker 3: When I play tournament golf. It used to scare me
Speaker 3: a bit, I'll be honest with you, and now I've
Speaker 3: really embraced that sensation, and so I sign up for
Speaker 3: as much. Like I was online last night, dude, just
Speaker 3: looking at MGA WGA Long Island Golf Association's got stuff,
Speaker 3: I'm like, what else can I play in before the
Speaker 3: season ends?
Speaker 1: Because I want to get in as much as I can.
Speaker 4: I did the same thing.
Speaker 2: I love scheduling, man, you gotta have some You gotta
Speaker 2: have some carrots out there, you know what I mean
Speaker 2: that to help keep you motivated. Absolutely love scheduling. Oh
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play in this. Oh I found this one.
Speaker 2: I can squeeze it in here and give me I've never.
Speaker 3: Played this course before. I've always wanted to play this place.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's a good addition there. It's
Speaker 3: kind of like vacations, you know, with like in like
Speaker 3: your family. It's like having a vacation to look forward to.
Speaker 3: I feel like having tournament golf to look forward to
Speaker 3: is essential for players. Well this was fun, man. I
Speaker 3: love talking tournament golf obviously. I love picking the brain
Speaker 3: of a guy that has had a ton of success
Speaker 3: in and around it. What's the major count for you?
Speaker 1: Marty?
Speaker 2: Are you I'm I'm I'm at six, Shane, I'm at
Speaker 2: six five pgs.
Speaker 1: Oh cool?
Speaker 2: One US Open and uh yeah, hey, so I'll give
Speaker 2: you one more fun one for you. My eight year
Speaker 2: old he qualified for Junior Worlds a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 2: and I caddied for him. So we got another little
Speaker 2: uh we got another little tournament. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 2: out with him. I'm coaching him on, Hey, how do
Speaker 2: you prep for Junior Worlds? You know, so it's.
Speaker 4: Gonna be fun. Actually looked up.
Speaker 2: Remember we when we had sawhith On, we asked him
Speaker 2: how many times he won Junior Worlds. So we're looking
Speaker 2: at the results and he won it when he was
Speaker 2: seven seven to eight year old. Sawhith won and so
Speaker 2: I had my kid, my kiddo looking at that and
Speaker 2: getting pretty motivated, try to try to get in there
Speaker 2: and see if he can he can keep up with Saw.
Speaker 1: You know, how's this game? Like, what's what's his game?
Speaker 2: Like? He he's sneaky good, like really high, really good
Speaker 2: hand eye coordination, so like manages the low point really well,
Speaker 2: like very rarely thins one or chunks one, which is
Speaker 2: the big thing you see a lot with the with
Speaker 2: the juniors. Uh, he needs to be able to hit
Speaker 2: the ball a little bit higher, so hits a kind
Speaker 2: of low, little steep, so he hits a little low
Speaker 2: that could hold him back if you know, on some courses,
Speaker 2: if you got bunkers in front, some of the other
Speaker 2: kiddos kind of launched a little bit higher. But his
Speaker 2: putting skills are really good. His bunker plays Shane. He
Speaker 2: doesn't hit like a normal splash shot. He like picks
Speaker 2: it but his but he his like skill level is
Speaker 2: so good. He picks it out of there and puts
Speaker 2: a ton of spin on his bunker shots.
Speaker 1: So I just got nervous just hearing that.
Speaker 2: By the way, oh same, I'm always like I get
Speaker 2: the dad anxiety, but he always somehow pulls it off.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I know it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: News.
Speaker 3: The good news about about about the help there is
Speaker 3: you might know somebody that can help him get the
Speaker 3: ball up in the air.
Speaker 1: A little bit. Uh yeah, that quicker depending on some
Speaker 1: of the equipment. Man, that is wild.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine what that sensation is like when
Speaker 3: you're caddying and how nervous you are. I remember caddying
Speaker 3: on the LPGA tour and telling my friends I'm way
Speaker 3: more nervous caddying than playing, no doubt about it. I
Speaker 3: mean way more nervous. So I can only imagine what
Speaker 3: it's like doing it for your son.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be fun. We're excited.
Speaker 3: Junior World got on the calendar to watch out for
Speaker 3: the Jertson's. As always, this was fun man, appreciate the time, Marty.
Speaker 3: As always, this is the Ping proven Grounds podcast.