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Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how

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Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can

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Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.

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Speaker 3: Hey, hey, everybody, Welcome back to the Ping Proven Grounds podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm Shane Bacon, joined as always by my man Marty

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Speaker 3: Jerts and Marty. We talk a lot of equipment on

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Speaker 3: this podcast. We talk a lot about ping gear on

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Speaker 3: this podcast. Today we're gonna be selfish. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit about ourselves on this podcast. I want

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Speaker 3: to talk a little bit about tournament golf with you, scheduling, prepping,

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Speaker 3: what the season looks like for you. You and I live

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Speaker 3: in very different parts of the world, so our golf

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Speaker 3: seasons are differentiate massively. I'm really getting into mind right now.

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Speaker 3: Where are you in terms of yours? Kind of midsummer.

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Speaker 2: Ours A PGA member, our Southwest section here, we actually

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Speaker 2: play most of our tournaments in the summer, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's hot, but that's what we do.

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Speaker 1: Marty. Our lives are a little bit different too.

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Speaker 3: Your kids are a little bit older, and I know

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Speaker 3: you have a job and you've got all this stuff

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Speaker 3: your schedule. What's a good number of tournaments for you

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Speaker 2: I if everything else allows, schedule wise, family stuff, work stuff,

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Speaker 2: I was actually just working on this the other night.

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Speaker 2: So I got those on the calendar. Always want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a guy that has played a ton of golf.

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Speaker 3: In terms of preparing for a golf tournament, do you

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Speaker 3: It's the same thing I think about sometimes in match play.

436
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Speaker 3: When you're playing a guy in play, it's like you're

437
00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 3: kind of waiting for them potentially to make a mistake,

438
00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:07,399
Speaker 3: and it's like they're not gonna hit every eight iron perfect,

439
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,080
Speaker 3: so just kind of kind of plod along and keep

440
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Speaker 3: getting the ball on the green, keep putting the pressure

441
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,040
Speaker 3: on them, because if they hit every aight iron perfect,

442
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 3: they'd be playing in a different space than this space

443
00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 3: I'm in right now.

444
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

445
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think talking about nerve Shane is

446
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 2: like Tiger. I mean Tiger on the first tee, that guy,

447
00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: he got more. It was more nervous than I've probably

448
00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,239
Speaker 2: ever been. First t shots were always terrible. I mean,

449
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,159
Speaker 2: what was up with that? And I think it's just

450
00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 2: that he cared so much. He was so pent up.

451
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: And you know, I think the fact that you are

452
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,320
Speaker 2: nervous means you care. That's a good thing. Learn how

453
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 2: to embrace it. I think when it comes to nerves

454
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Speaker 2: on putting, Shane. One thing that's helped me, and this

455
00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,640
Speaker 2: is different for everybody, is I putt in my routine

456
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,720
Speaker 2: is all breathing based, So I like I I take

457
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 2: the putter back after I do a huge X sale

458
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 2: on my fourth in my putting routine. So it's like,

459
00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: if you can have consistency in that routine, that gives

460
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,119
Speaker 2: me something to rely on no matter what the putt is,

461
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,160
Speaker 2: whether it's a two footer tap in or I got

462
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Speaker 2: an eight foot slippery slider to qualify for the PGA Championship,

463
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Speaker 2: I'm using that same routine. It's a no known and

464
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 2: and then once you do that xal, you release the putt. Okay,

465
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Speaker 2: I've done what I could kind of like you were saying, Shane,

466
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 2: and let the results shake out.

467
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Speaker 3: I think consistency is also helpful in terms of prepping

468
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Speaker 3: for tournaments. You know, consistency, whether it's like knowing what

469
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 3: you have in the bag. I mean, I'm a very

470
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Speaker 3: consistent like snack guy. I know what I'm gonna have

471
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Speaker 3: in my bag when I'm playing tournaments. I've got a

472
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,199
Speaker 3: Laura bar, I've got almonds, I've got like LM and

473
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Speaker 3: T stuff for the water. I've got to like, I'll

474
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: do a sandwich if I know it kind of crosses

475
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 3: over into lunch time. You got a early tea time,

476
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,879
Speaker 3: even a late tea time. I'll make all that stuff

477
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: and have all that stuff in my bag. What do

478
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: you do in terms of prepping, not just for what's

479
00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,479
Speaker 3: in your bag, but maybe like day day or two before.

480
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Speaker 3: Do you change the way you work out? Do you

481
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440
Speaker 3: change the way you prep stretching any of that stuff?

482
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,760
Speaker 3: Do you do anything different in that world as you

483
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Speaker 3: get closer and closer to tournament days?

484
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Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, yeah, definitely yeah. Yeah.

485
00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: Take care of the body. I mean, that's another big

486
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: part of it. If you're talking tournament prep. If you know,

487
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Speaker 2: if we have a tournament, you're walking and and you know,

488
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Speaker 2: me being a you know a lot of our listeners

489
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: out there are you know, eight to five type folks.

490
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Speaker 2: But if you got a tournament coming up where you're

491
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Speaker 2: gonna be walking, put a little bit of time in

492
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Speaker 2: on the fitness side, make sure you don't get worn

493
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Speaker 2: out on that front. But yeah, definitely, I think it's uh,

494
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,120
Speaker 2: there's a lot to scheduling. I would I would love

495
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: Shane to kind of talk and maybe you have on

496
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: your some of your other pods, just talk about the

497
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,680
Speaker 2: tour players and how they do their scheduling of every

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 2: like every little minute leading up to whether it's morning

499
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: tea time, late tea time. Sometimes you get done, you

500
00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: finish in the dark, but you gotta come back and

501
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: finish early. So many little logistics there on how much

502
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 2: time you have for those warm ups, but yeah, a

503
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 2: couple days before, make sure you take care of the

504
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: body and make sure Actually a lot of people set

505
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 2: their alarm for when they should wake up. So if

506
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: I have those tournaments, I kinda on my notes app

507
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: on my phone, have all the little details there when

508
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna warm up, when I'm gonna get to the gym,

509
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: when I'm gonna eat, when I'm gonna get my coffee

510
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: if I need to. But also put on there what

511
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,959
Speaker 2: time you should be going to sleep, set an alarm

512
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 2: for what time you're going to sleep. That's a really

513
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 2: big deal, especially if you're traveling East coast, West coast,

514
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: international things of that nature.

515
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the rest thing is extremely enormous. Another thing I

516
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 3: think that I've seen in tournament golf I've experienced in

517
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: tournament golf a little bit is prepping for what's gonna

518
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 3: happen out of the gate. And when I say that,

519
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 3: I mean like you got to prep for the good

520
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 3: and you've got to prep for the bad. I think

521
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Speaker 3: a lot of the time people that don't do a

522
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 3: lot of tournament golf are almost prepared for something bad

523
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Speaker 3: to happen.

524
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Speaker 4: You know.

525
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, I'm nervous. You know, I might make

526
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Speaker 3: bogie out of the gate, that's fine, whatever. I remember

527
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 3: playing a qualifier a couple of years ago, and it

528
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: was that, of course, just outside of Hartford. First hole

529
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 3: is about three forty. Yeah, you don't really hit driver there.

530
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: But you can.

531
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I remember I was playing with a kid

532
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: and he just pummels his driver, like right at the

533
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Speaker 3: front of the green.

534
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Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that was a good swing.

535
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Speaker 3: When we get up there and he's about forty feet

536
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Speaker 3: away on the green and he makes the putt makes

537
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Speaker 3: at the first hole, and he I look at him

538
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 3: as he's walking off the green and he's got a

539
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 3: look on his face that says, I was never prepared

540
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Speaker 3: to be two under who on this round of golf.

541
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Speaker 1: And we were awalking off to tea and he said,

542
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Speaker 1: he said, oh, man, mann't I didn't think I was

543
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 1: gonna make two.

544
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Speaker 3: And it was almost like he didn't want to make

545
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Speaker 3: the two yeah, even though obviously any scores better than

546
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Speaker 3: one higher. And so I do think sometimes it's like

547
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Speaker 3: like when you're on the first tee when when you're

548
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Speaker 3: prepping for a tournament, understanding I have the capability of

549
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: playing well, just like I have the capability of playing poorly.

550
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Speaker 2: You know.

551
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's such a great point. Shane is

552
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 4: like that.

553
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 2: The the this goes back to patients, stick it to your

554
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 2: plan is I have a philosophy that your strategy should

555
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: be a little bit transient. So what I mean by

556
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Speaker 2: that is that whole you're talking about three forty maybe

557
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 2: you can go for it, but maybe there's out of

558
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 2: bounds up there. You you do not want to start

559
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: your round with a t shot out of bounds.

560
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: Right.

561
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: It's like, so I always take a more conservative strategy

562
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 2: strategy early in the round, you get a feel for

563
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: the conditions, your sense how you're hitting it. And then

564
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 2: if there is a variation where a decision in the

565
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,600
Speaker 2: round where you can be slightly more aggressive or not,

566
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 2: maybe maybe you know, you know, maybe don't do that.

567
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: Maybe don't do that as early in the round. Right,

568
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 2: So you want to kind of have this kind of

569
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,880
Speaker 2: little boring, methodical, maybe a little more conservative start. That's

570
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit bit different for everybody, but

571
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: it's something to think about with the tournament golf, right

572
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: is like, how do you how do you transition your

573
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: conservative to aggressive strategy transient through the course of a

574
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: round and then certainly through the course of a tournament. Right, So,

575
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: if you're playing Monday qualifier and you're the last tea

576
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: time out and you're refreshing out of your app and

577
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 2: you see the scores and you need to burdy the

578
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 2: last three holes, yes, play more aggressive aggressive, But if

579
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Speaker 2: you're in a seventy two hole event. If I'm playing

580
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 2: a seventy two hole event that's the PGA Professional National Championship,

581
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Speaker 2: that qualifies me for the PGA. I'm gonna be way

582
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Speaker 2: more conservative. You're gonna have a regression to the mean

583
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Speaker 2: on your finishers in that event and the skill level

584
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Speaker 2: over seventy two holes, major cut, all that stuff. You

585
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 2: want to be way more methodical. If you make a bogie,

586
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: do not worry. You got a massive amount of holes.

587
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: You make a bogie in a Monday qualifier where scores

588
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 2: are gonna be low, yeah, you probably need to ramp

589
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: it up and be a little bit more aggressive. So

590
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Speaker 2: strategy is transient. I think that's that's both forgetting your

591
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 2: round started and relative to your success in the event.

592
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Speaker 1: Marty.

593
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Speaker 3: You know Matt Fitzpatrick's kind of been famous for he

594
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 3: notes all of his shots. Yeah, I mean people have

595
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: talked a lot about this. You're an extremely smart guy

596
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 3: that pays a lot of attention to everything going on,

597
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: not just in golf, but what you're doing with your golf.

598
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: What do you do in terms of notations throughout tournament

599
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 3: golf to maybe help you out the next day.

600
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I use in the stack app. We actually

601
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: have a way to categorize your putting, So we have

602
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: a putting mode and then you can keep very detailed notes.

603
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: It's with the same level of detail that actually Fitzpatrick

604
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: does with his putting for your putting stats, and that's

605
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: been supremely helpful for me, Shane. So I have a

606
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: little notation I do on on the bottom of my scorecard,

607
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: the little perforated part that I keep where I actually

608
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: now walk off every putt or I can. Once you

609
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: kind of get this down, you can estimate it pretty well, like, okay,

610
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: I got a thirty two foot downhill right to left,

611
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 2: and then catries if you missed it, why you missed it?

612
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: Was it a misread, was it a misread of the

613
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: was it mystery of the line? Was it misread of

614
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: the speed? Did you start it too far right or

615
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 2: too far left of your intended start line? Or did

616
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 2: you roll it too fast or too slow relative to

617
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,600
Speaker 2: how you intended? And that has been super helpful for

618
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 2: my own personal feedback and awareness of what are my

619
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 2: trends and traits on putting. So I like, quite often

620
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 2: if I'm not putting great, my speed will be too slow,

621
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Speaker 2: Like I'll come up short on very makeable putts. I

622
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: have a strategy Shane influenced and informed a little bit

623
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Speaker 2: by the work of Mark Brody, and I kind of

624
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: asked him this, like, what are your thoughts on this,

625
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: is that when I get to thirty feet or beyond,

626
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: I kind of just go to lag mode, like just

627
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 2: try to solve for the ball ending up perfectly whole high.

628
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: And the reason why is a PG two or average putter,

629
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: their average strokes to hole out from thirty feet is

630
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: like two, so you're equally as likely to make it

631
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: as three put So I'm like, okay, thirty feet, I'm

632
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: gonna lag it. Generally speaking, then if I'm twenty five

633
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: feet are in, I could kind of try to have

634
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: optimal capture speed to get myself good odds of making it.

635
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: And when I'm not putting good, I will come up

636
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: short from you know, fifteen to twenty five feet, or

637
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: my speed's just a little too conservative, a little too slow.

638
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: But keeping those stats has helped kind of highlight that

639
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 2: where I otherwise probably wouldn't have noticed it. And that's

640
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: kind of the benefit of stats tracking that's been super

641
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: helpful for me.

642
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's fascinating. I mean, I love

643
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: the idea of like understanding what's available with a putt.

644
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I mean I was thinking about it.

645
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: You remember a few weeks ago in Canada there was

646
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Speaker 3: that playoff and he was, yeah, Fox and was it

647
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 3: Fox and Sam Burns? I think that was in the

648
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: playoff And if you remember, Fox flags it on like

649
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: the fourth playoff hole and he has like eight or

650
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 3: nine feet for eagle. And I was watching it with

651
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: a buddy of mine who like a pro golfer buddy

652
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 3: of mine, and I said, like, Burn's had the downhill putt,

653
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 3: you know, and he's probably thirty feet away. And I said,

654
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 3: if I was Sam Burns caddy walking up, I would

655
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: remind Sam, I know, you want to make this for

656
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 3: eaglep but I would remind him of the percentage make

657
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: for a guy from Fox's distance, just to remind him

658
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: that that he could maybe more likely to miss this

659
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 3: than make it. And then what happens is Burn runs

660
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 3: it by ten feet missus the comebacker. Now all of

661
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 3: a sudden, you've given the golf tournament away, and you

662
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 3: know it. Just I think that diving in percentages, like listen,

663
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 3: it's nerdy and It probably takes a lot of time

664
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: and it's cumbersome, but even just looking at that tour

665
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: level stuff to remind you if you're playing a match,

666
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: you're playing a tournament.

667
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: Some guy's got twelve feet.

668
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: It's like there's a twenty percent chance that tour guys

669
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: make this putt right. Yeah, and it's just reminding you

670
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: what's available even in your own game.

671
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's it's like poker man, this is my

672
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 2: We had Chris Coma on you remember, and he was

673
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: talking all about poker and how he learned so much

674
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: from playing that and how he's bringing it into his coaching.

675
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 2: You got Victor talking about playing a lot of poker.

676
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: You better believe those guys are running those you know,

677
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: the the best, better players are running those advanced calculations

678
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 2: for sure, Shane. Match plays a whole different story on

679
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: how you want to optimize and core strategy and things

680
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: of that nature. But a playoff, that's what it is.

681
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: So that's a that's a great point. I mean, yeah,

682
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot to it. Capture speed at the in

683
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: the putting lab, we just installed a zen green stage

684
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: and we've been doing some great uh putting with it

685
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: and it's in practice and learning and how we're gonna

686
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: inform our putter fitting. But you know, it just reminded

687
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: me of one of those other things great insights about

688
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: putting that you're you're, you know, a downhill putt, if

689
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: you don't make it the optimal capture speed, that putt

690
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 2: might roll by like three feet, but on an uphillar

691
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: optimal capture speed the putt might only go by six

692
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 2: or twelve inches. So how far it goes back past

693
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: the hole is going to be depending on whether uphill

694
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 2: or downhill.

695
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's there's so much that goes into it,

696
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: you know, And I mean, I just find it so

697
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: fascinating to kind of think about, you know, tournament golf

698
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: for people that either played a lot or don't play

699
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: it that often because you know, the older you get

700
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: your club, your local MUNI, like your buddy's club, Like

701
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 3: even going on golf trips, you know, I mean, guys

702
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: can kind of freak themselves out going out there and

703
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 3: having to play for money or play consistent golf all

704
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: the time. And it's just trying to like find a

705
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: way that it makes you the most comfortable and hitting

706
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: golf shots that make you the most comfortable, you know,

707
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: if you can kind of like, if you're aware of that,

708
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: it's probably the easiest way to succeed in this space.

709
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, Shane. Yeah.

710
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: One other thing that came to mind. You kind of

711
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: asked me about, you know, how do you play maybe

712
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: a little bit better in that tournament golf. Is I'm

713
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: playing casual play. I'm kind of just trying to have

714
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 2: some fun, maybe aim at some pin, you know, I

715
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: aim in a lot of pins.

716
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 4: You know, I get quite frankly, it might be.

717
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: A little bit boring, get me hit the middle of

718
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 2: the green if I'm out there just playing casual golf.

719
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: But man, once that tournament comes around, and Shane, I

720
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: learned this in the Gateway Tour because you remember your

721
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: days on the Gateway, Man, they would put the flags.

722
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I have some old books where it's like, okay,

723
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: every pin's three. Sometimes I saw it two on the.

724
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 1: Spots on the green.

725
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: Sometimes the practice rounds, like we would walk around a

726
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: green and go one round, one round. You know, it

727
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 3: was like the hardest pins on the on the golf

728
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: on the green.

729
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

730
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 2: I still have some of the sheets. I think they

731
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: have a two on there.

732
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 4: You know. So it's like that.

733
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: But but in hindsight, that's where I learned the skill

734
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,719
Speaker 2: to to to not even care where the flag is,

735
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And so that's a really

736
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,479
Speaker 2: big deal. I think for your everyday golfer, start your

737
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 2: ram man, just very conservative strategy in terms of trying

738
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: to hit hit hit center of the greens, make sure

739
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 2: you get your tupat try try a little bit harder

740
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: to not make bogie than you do try to make birdie.

741
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: But you do want to know when you can green

742
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: light it. You know, that's a very important thing. The best,

743
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 2: the better players, man, they are playing aggressive, they know

744
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: when to green light it. So and that's a very

745
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: fine line Marty.

746
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 3: You've talked about this on other pods. You're a big

747
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: like travel tournament guy. You're taking a lot of golf clubs.

748
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 3: I mean you're traveling with fifteen sixteen clubs, right, Yeah, yeah,

749
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 3: I mean the idea is obviously depending on conditions, depending

750
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 3: on when, depending on whether I want to be prepared

751
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 3: to be able to throw in a lofted wood versus

752
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 3: a long iron, things like that.

753
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, equipment's a big deal. I mean, the big ones

754
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: for me Shane or generally like Idi or a five wood,

755
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, or sometimes the hybrid, so they'll have kind

756
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: of three options in that space and then wedges for

757
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: different grinds occasionally. So if I'm going to Florida or

758
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: somewhere maybe the Northeast, some are very powdery bunkers. I

759
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 2: remember I played the PGA Championship at Atlanta Athletic Club.

760
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 2: I mean, the the bunkers were so powdery and sandy.

761
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 2: I would play a lot wider sole wedge there. Sometimes

762
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: you even get with some of those big events, man,

763
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: I would switch from four wedges to three. I did

764
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: that at PGA Championship one year because I needed mine

765
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 2: more clubs for those two fifty part three I mean

766
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: Oakmont probably, you know, if I would have played at Oakmont,

767
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: I probably would have gone to three wedges and had

768
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: a couple more options for those long part threes and

769
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 2: long second shots and approach shots everything they were having

770
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: into the green.

771
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: So yeah, a couple couple.

772
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 2: You know, it's mostly on the kind of the two

773
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: ends of the bag, the transition clubs. Maybe some wedge grinds,

774
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 2: but you know, different trajectories depending on turf conditions and

775
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: win so as.

776
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 3: We wrap, what's the next tourney for you? And what's

777
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 3: like the what's the goal? Like, what's your twenty twenty

778
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 3: five goal? I want to do X.

779
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: Do you have a goal?

780
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:56,760
Speaker 4: Yeah?

781
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 2: So I think my goal is to win the Southwest

782
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: Section Player of the Year. I came in second. I

783
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 2: came in second on the pointsless last year. My next

784
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: event Shane's next week Southwest Section match Play, and I

785
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: am the defending champion. So I did win the match

786
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: play last year in Moon Valley. It's a little different animal,

787
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 2: gotta be patient. I played some bad golf and got

788
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: lucky because my part, my opponents played worse than me,

789
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: and then I just timed it out. I played great

790
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 2: golf against my tougher competitors. So yeah, hopefully make a

791
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: little run there at the match play. It'd be fun

792
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 2: to get two in a row. Got the Arizona Open

793
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: later this year, got our sections championship Arizona Open. Yeah,

794
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: and I had a good run last year. I think

795
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: that was my best finish. I finished fourth, and you know,

796
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,919
Speaker 2: had a good battle against some of our corn Corn

797
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 2: Ferry Tour player on our staff and Nico Giletti from

798
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 2: ASU plays on the Corn Ferry Tour this year was

799
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: a DP World Tour player last year played with him.

800
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: So hopefully I have another little run of Arizona Open

801
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 2: and Section Championship couple Tour qualifiers later this year.

802
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: How about you.

803
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: I've got I've got some qualifiers coming up for some

804
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: of the CSGA, like Connecticut Golf stuff coming up, like

805
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: the mid Am you know, the bummer, the bummer for me,

806
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 3: and I mean, it is what it is. It's my

807
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 3: job in my life. But so much of the awesome

808
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: stuff up here falls during our busy corn Ferry Tour run. Yeah,

809
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 3: you know, I cover all the corn Fairy touff. We

810
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: had Gilata in a window a couple of weeks ago

811
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 3: by the oh yeah great, But a lot of that

812
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 3: stuff falls. So one thing I have been doing that

813
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 3: has been great, and this is kind of the first

814
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 3: year I've done it is Connecticut.

815
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: The CSGA, which they.

816
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 3: Do a great job in terms of like amateur you know,

817
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 3: competitive golf. They have these one day series events and

818
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: they do about twenty of them during the season. They're

819
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,479
Speaker 3: all on Mondays, and they're all at these really cool

820
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: golf courses. But I mean it's a ton of people

821
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: show up, you play foursomes, they give you carts. You

822
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: kind of fly around, but you know, you kind of

823
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: go out there and try to shoot two or three

824
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: under and if you do that, you might win one.

825
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 3: But it's just, you know, like you talked about can

826
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 3: headitive golf, tournament golf, and the way you were speaking

827
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 3: about it, I feel very similar. I find myself probably

828
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 3: lazy golf when I'm just out.

829
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: Playing with my buddies.

830
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

831
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: I love the feeling of every shot mattering, oh yeah.

832
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: When I play tournament golf. It used to scare me

833
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: a bit, I'll be honest with you, and now I've

834
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 3: really embraced that sensation, and so I sign up for

835
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: as much. Like I was online last night, dude, just

836
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 3: looking at MGA WGA Long Island Golf Association's got stuff,

837
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, what else can I play in before the

838
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: season ends?

839
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: Because I want to get in as much as I can.

840
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 4: I did the same thing.

841
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: I love scheduling, man, you gotta have some You gotta

842
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: have some carrots out there, you know what I mean

843
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: that to help keep you motivated. Absolutely love scheduling. Oh

844
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna play in this. Oh I found this one.

845
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 2: I can squeeze it in here and give me I've never.

846
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,879
Speaker 3: Played this course before. I've always wanted to play this place.

847
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 3: You know, It's like it's a good addition there. It's

848
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: kind of like vacations, you know, with like in like

849
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 3: your family. It's like having a vacation to look forward to.

850
00:38:57,880 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: I feel like having tournament golf to look forward to

851
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 3: is essential for players. Well this was fun, man. I

852
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: love talking tournament golf obviously. I love picking the brain

853
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 3: of a guy that has had a ton of success

854
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 3: in and around it. What's the major count for you?

855
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: Marty?

856
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 2: Are you I'm I'm I'm at six, Shane, I'm at

857
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: six five pgs.

858
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: Oh cool?

859
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: One US Open and uh yeah, hey, so I'll give

860
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: you one more fun one for you. My eight year

861
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 2: old he qualified for Junior Worlds a couple of weeks ago,

862
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 2: and I caddied for him. So we got another little

863
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 2: uh we got another little tournament. I'm trying to figure

864
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 2: out with him. I'm coaching him on, Hey, how do

865
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: you prep for Junior Worlds? You know, so it's.

866
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 4: Gonna be fun. Actually looked up.

867
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: Remember we when we had sawhith On, we asked him

868
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: how many times he won Junior Worlds. So we're looking

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Speaker 2: at the results and he won it when he was

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Speaker 2: seven seven to eight year old. Sawhith won and so

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Speaker 2: I had my kid, my kiddo looking at that and

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Speaker 2: getting pretty motivated, try to try to get in there

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Speaker 2: and see if he can he can keep up with Saw.

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Speaker 1: You know, how's this game? Like, what's what's his game?

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Speaker 2: Like? He he's sneaky good, like really high, really good

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Speaker 2: hand eye coordination, so like manages the low point really well,

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Speaker 2: like very rarely thins one or chunks one, which is

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Speaker 2: the big thing you see a lot with the with

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Speaker 2: the juniors. Uh, he needs to be able to hit

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Speaker 2: the ball a little bit higher, so hits a kind

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Speaker 2: of low, little steep, so he hits a little low

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Speaker 2: that could hold him back if you know, on some courses,

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Speaker 2: if you got bunkers in front, some of the other

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Speaker 2: kiddos kind of launched a little bit higher. But his

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Speaker 2: putting skills are really good. His bunker plays Shane. He

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Speaker 2: doesn't hit like a normal splash shot. He like picks

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Speaker 2: it but his but he his like skill level is

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Speaker 2: so good. He picks it out of there and puts

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Speaker 2: a ton of spin on his bunker shots.

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Speaker 1: So I just got nervous just hearing that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, oh same, I'm always like I get

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Speaker 2: the dad anxiety, but he always somehow pulls it off.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I know it'll be fun.

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Speaker 1: News.

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Speaker 3: The good news about about about the help there is

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Speaker 3: you might know somebody that can help him get the

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Speaker 3: ball up in the air.

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Speaker 1: A little bit. Uh yeah, that quicker depending on some

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Speaker 1: of the equipment. Man, that is wild.

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Speaker 3: I can only imagine what that sensation is like when

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Speaker 3: you're caddying and how nervous you are. I remember caddying

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Speaker 3: on the LPGA tour and telling my friends I'm way

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Speaker 3: more nervous caddying than playing, no doubt about it. I

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Speaker 3: mean way more nervous. So I can only imagine what

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Speaker 3: it's like doing it for your son.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be fun. We're excited.

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Speaker 3: Junior World got on the calendar to watch out for

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Speaker 3: the Jertson's. As always, this was fun man, appreciate the time, Marty.

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Speaker 3: As always, this is the Ping proven Grounds podcast.