Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center.
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Getty and
Speaker 2: he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: Tesla announcing its profits have plunged a staggering seventy one
Speaker 3: percent in the first quarter of this year since CEO
Speaker 3: Elon Musk took a major role in the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Musk telling Tesla investors he will soon be spending a
Speaker 3: lot more of his time focused on his business.
Speaker 4: The tribalism in so much of America, from car choices
Speaker 4: to the way the legal system behaves, really troubling. Equal
Speaker 4: treatment under the law seems to be gone, at least
Speaker 4: for certain people, many of them on the left. That's
Speaker 4: the topic I'd like to pursue with our guest in
Speaker 4: One of those subtopics is at least somewhat Tesla related,
Speaker 4: but Larry Goodman joins us. Larry's a retired judge for
Speaker 4: the Superior Court in Elama, California, and also happily Katie's dad.
Speaker 5: Hello, Judge Larry, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
Speaker 5: How are you good? Good?
Speaker 4: I assume you're happily Katie's dad maybe I made a
Speaker 4: leap there that was inappropriate.
Speaker 2: No, it's been a total blessing. It's couldn't do better.
Speaker 5: At good answer, good answer. So he's on the record
Speaker 5: is loving his daughter. You'll see. I'd like to get
Speaker 5: a second witness anyway. Always great to talk.
Speaker 4: And there are a couple of excuses we had to
Speaker 4: call you up today, and one of them is this
Speaker 4: Democratic activist in Minnesota who committed over twenty one thousand
Speaker 4: dollars in damage to Tesla's across Minneapolis. This guy happens
Speaker 4: to be a state employees a fist policy analyst for
Speaker 4: the state of Minnesota, long history of anti Trump, pro
Speaker 4: Democratic posts on his social media. He was arrested and
Speaker 4: quickly released, and the prosecutor said, now we're going to
Speaker 4: put him in a diversion program and we will not
Speaker 4: charge him with any crimes.
Speaker 5: What's your reaction of that.
Speaker 2: Well, the prosecutor said, that way he'll make restitution, which
Speaker 2: we know he'll never make. But it's what they do.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's no it's a two tiered system of justice.
Speaker 2: If you're on our side, you get prosecuted, and if
Speaker 2: you're on their side, you don't. Depending on who the
Speaker 2: DA is, although I think more and more people are
Speaker 2: getting set up with that kind of lack of prosecution.
Speaker 2: We just saw that in now Lameda County where they
Speaker 2: recalled the DA saw it in Los Angeles where they
Speaker 2: got rid of gascon. So maybe the tide is changing
Speaker 2: a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Hennepin County, which is where Minneapolis is, has a long
Speaker 4: history of this. It's a blue blot in a otherwise
Speaker 4: fairly sane state. But like most of the violent George
Speaker 4: Floyd BLM rioters, not just the you know, maybe not
Speaker 4: just the loud, boisterous ones who may have shoved somebody
Speaker 4: or I don't know, thrown some No, like the violent ones,
Speaker 4: we're giving a free pass in Hennepin County. And you know,
Speaker 4: you've seen enough of the the repercussions of if you
Speaker 4: remove negative consequences for bad actions, you're just going to
Speaker 4: get more bad actions. And this guy or this system
Speaker 4: up there, man, they seem to be way to the
Speaker 4: left end.
Speaker 2: Well, they just sat around, if I remember correctly, while
Speaker 2: they were burning down towns and everybody just said, well,
Speaker 2: they have a right to express their frustration with what's
Speaker 2: going on. But in this this guy that got off.
Speaker 2: Did he actually worked for Walls? Didn't he at some
Speaker 2: point or in the government up there? He was? I
Speaker 2: saw his name connected with the almost to be Vice
Speaker 2: president Tim Walls.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was fairly high up in the Minnesota DHS.
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 2: But if you don't, if you don't punish behavior, then
Speaker 2: behavior continues. I mean, that's that's how we raise Katie.
Speaker 2: You know, if the bad behavior got punished. But if
Speaker 2: the same thing applies to courts, if that's why they
Speaker 2: went through the things in California where they made you
Speaker 2: could steal up to a nine hundred and fifty dollars
Speaker 2: and not be punished. So what did everybody do? They
Speaker 2: went out and sold nine hundred and fifty dollars over
Speaker 2: and over and over again. So if you don't prosecute
Speaker 2: or punish somebody that destroys Tesla's, they're going to keep
Speaker 2: destroying Teslas. I was. I'm curious to see whether Pam
Speaker 2: BONDI might figure out some way to make this a
Speaker 2: federal crime. I don't think it is, but it might
Speaker 2: be kind of ironic if all of a sudden the
Speaker 2: Feds came in and the rested him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if I'm some young radical or not so young radical.
Speaker 4: This guy's hold enough to know better. And I see
Speaker 4: this guy did over twenty one thousand dollars in damages
Speaker 4: to Tesla's across many amp He's on videotape multiple times.
Speaker 4: He's it's utterly clear that it is him. It is
Speaker 4: a slam dunk prosecution, and he is just completely turned loose.
Speaker 5: I'm going to start defacing Tesla's.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, of course you are. And you know the question
Speaker 2: will be if you if you do it the right
Speaker 2: way and so you don't commit a federal crime, then
Speaker 2: you can continue to you know, damage Tesla's. And yeah,
Speaker 2: you're going to put you in a diversion program so
Speaker 2: you can make restitution. But I know from personal experience
Speaker 2: that most of the time restitution never gets paid. So
Speaker 2: he's going to get a pass on this whole thing.
Speaker 5: How do people get away with not paying the restitution?
Speaker 2: Nobody ever enforces it. I mean, we don't have debtors prisons, right,
Speaker 2: So if you're ordered to pay one hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in restitution and you don't have a job, or you
Speaker 2: have a job that can you can't afford to pay
Speaker 2: that kind of money. You just don't pay it, you
Speaker 2: be violated on your probation maybe, but you can't be
Speaker 2: any consequences. You can't put somebody in jail because they
Speaker 2: can't afford to pay a debt.
Speaker 4: So we have posited many times. We're talking to Larry
Speaker 4: Goodman retired to Superior Court judge and elme to County, California.
Speaker 4: We've posited many times that people need to pay serious
Speaker 4: attention and bring serious energy to two things school board
Speaker 4: elections and local prosecutors county whatever prosecutors.
Speaker 2: Would you agree absolutely? I mean, that's how the other
Speaker 2: side gets the foot in the door is normally my
Speaker 2: experience has always been when I was actually on a
Speaker 2: school board for eight years. But that's where people get
Speaker 2: into politics, and that's where they get their foot in
Speaker 2: the door, and that's where they make grassroots decisions that
Speaker 2: affect people as they grow up. And then on the
Speaker 2: other side is the prosecutors. If you don't have law
Speaker 2: and order, you don't have a society. So you can
Speaker 2: indoctrinate people through school board words, and then you can
Speaker 2: can have a law and order or an effective society
Speaker 2: by how people are prosecuting.
Speaker 4: Final thing I wanted to ask you about Larry is
Speaker 4: the question of due process.
Speaker 5: It's it's a phrase.
Speaker 4: It's been thrown a lot around a lot in discussing
Speaker 4: various illegal immigrants, to getting heaved out of the country
Speaker 4: in one form or another, whether it's shipped down to
Speaker 4: that jail in El Salvador or Venezuelan gang members who
Speaker 4: flooded into the country under some Biden policies we discuss
Speaker 4: during our three I think it was anyway. Due process
Speaker 4: obviously is a sacred notion for citizens in the United States.
Speaker 4: It is the idea that the government can't behave arbitrarily,
Speaker 4: that they've got to go through the steps to prove
Speaker 4: that what they're doing is okay, because the founding fathers
Speaker 4: understood how power corrupts. But when you hear the phrase
Speaker 4: due process thrown around in terms of like the immigration topic,
Speaker 4: what do you wish people understood.
Speaker 2: Well, the due process depends upon what the procedure is
Speaker 2: the due process and a criminal trial is a lot
Speaker 2: different than a due process on an immigration hearing or
Speaker 2: presenting probable cause to an immigration judge whether somebody should
Speaker 2: be deported or not. So people you throw that around,
Speaker 2: but it's a job specific term. Due process means different
Speaker 2: things depending upon the procedure that's being applied. So they
Speaker 2: can set up and say, yeah, he didn't get due process,
Speaker 2: Well maybe he did. Maybe it all takes is a
Speaker 2: probable cause statement to an immigration judge to find that
Speaker 2: he's a member of a gang. That's the due process
Speaker 2: he got.
Speaker 4: So yeah, maybe the best way to illustrate it, illustrate
Speaker 4: it is to flip it on its head and ask
Speaker 4: what process is due here? I mean, like I would
Speaker 4: have different due process for would you like to go
Speaker 4: for coffee sometime?
Speaker 5: From will you marry me?
Speaker 4: There's different due process processing those two questions.
Speaker 2: There absolutely is, but it's the same because you have
Speaker 2: protections against the arbitrary actions of the government, and depending
Speaker 2: on what action the government's taking would determine how much
Speaker 2: due process you're entitled to. I guess is the best
Speaker 2: way of putting it. But right now it's just becoming
Speaker 2: the catch. It's the phrase of the week, or the
Speaker 2: phrase of the last two weeks. Do process due process?
Speaker 5: You know, right?
Speaker 4: And it kind of hurts my heart to hear it
Speaker 4: misused because it's such a fundamental principle in the country.
Speaker 4: But again, what processes do in this circumstance. It varies
Speaker 4: case by case, in situation by situation. Larry Goodman retired
Speaker 4: to Superior Court Judge, Alma County, California. Larry, it's always
Speaker 4: great to talk. Don't be a stranger. Let's do it
Speaker 4: again soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, and I'm usually always available.
Speaker 4: I'm retired, all right, we will hit you up. Thanks
Speaker 4: a lot more to come. Want to get into a
Speaker 4: couple of other things that I was kind of hot
Speaker 4: to trot for, including the Maryland parental rights opt out
Speaker 4: policy case that the Supreme Court just heard oral arguments for.
Speaker 4: You can't believe a the perverse stuff being taught to
Speaker 4: the kids, and b how young they were in Maryland,
Speaker 4: and the school district was saying to parents, no, we're
Speaker 4: not going to tell you what you're teaching, and no
Speaker 4: you don't get to opt out even for preschoolers.
Speaker 6: Stay with us, Armstrong, Hetty, do you regret saying that
Speaker 6: President Biden had a mental acuity, He had a sharpness
Speaker 6: to him. He said that up until July of last year,
Speaker 6: I said what I believed to be true. And do
Speaker 6: you think he was as sharp as you?
Speaker 1: I said, I had not seen decline and I hadn't
Speaker 1: at that point.
Speaker 6: You did not see any decline from twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: Joe Biden to twenty twenty one Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Oh, when I said that he does the thing is heap? Look,
Speaker 1: he was sharp, he was on his feet. I saw
Speaker 1: him live event, I had meetings with him.
Speaker 6: A couple of Tom Senator on his feet is not praise.
Speaker 6: He can speak in sentences is not praise fair enough?
Speaker 5: So that sound I like Elizabeth Warren who's interviewing him.
Speaker 4: Yes, Sam Fragoso, whose work I don't know, but Sam
Speaker 4: was frank and fair and also damn right.
Speaker 5: Well she lives.
Speaker 7: You're making a jackass yourself. Yeah, she and everybody else
Speaker 7: is in a tough position. You're either going to have
Speaker 7: to go full. I thought it was best for the
Speaker 7: country that Biden wins, So I misled people about how
Speaker 7: sharp he was because I thought the most important thing
Speaker 7: was defeating Trump. That actually is not I think a
Speaker 7: lot of Democrats would.
Speaker 5: Forgive you for that.
Speaker 7: The pretending you didn't notice is just nonsensical.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which it really? Which is the more damaging tack
Speaker 4: to take? I think the first one's way better.
Speaker 7: Well, the truth is generally better almost in every situation
Speaker 7: in life, with very few exceptions. But I think also politically,
Speaker 7: I think he'd be better off. Look, I thought Trump
Speaker 7: was such a danger, and I thought he was okay
Speaker 7: enough at least for the time being.
Speaker 5: That I was okay with it.
Speaker 4: And if I was going to spin it, if I
Speaker 4: was a Democrat consultant, I'd say and say this, and
Speaker 4: then I believed he would quickly give way to the
Speaker 4: Vice President Kamala Harris, who almost won the last election.
Speaker 7: Yes, that's way better than claiming you didn't notice.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's just hilarious. Yeah, that's aw unless you
Speaker 5: want to get he's got to stutter, Michael, you make
Speaker 5: fun of people with stutters. He's got dementia. It's not
Speaker 5: a stutter. Coming up.
Speaker 4: Wild chumps indulged in not chumps. Can I have a
Speaker 4: second take, Michael? Do we have enough tape? Yeah, go ahead,
Speaker 4: take two. Wild chimps indulge in booze fueled feasts rare
Speaker 4: video shows, stay with us.
Speaker 7: Wild chimps indulge in booze fueled feasts is a.
Speaker 5: Tough sentence and intriguing.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes both, Yeah, Yeah, Drunk chimps on a rampage
Speaker 4: stay with US live team coverage, plus the Maryland opt
Speaker 4: out of perverse sex education case.
Speaker 5: Want to go big on that got start of breaking news.
Speaker 7: So Rubio, the Secretary of State, said the other day
Speaker 7: that he is pulling out of the Ukraine Russia talks
Speaker 7: because it doesn't seem like anything seriously is happening. Jd
Speaker 7: Vance with more today standing in front of a plane
Speaker 7: on a tarmac before he has going somewhere. Vice President
Speaker 7: jad Vance, who may have killed the Pope, threatened to
Speaker 7: abandon Russia and Ukraine peace negotiations ahead of the high
Speaker 7: stakes meeting in London where the two warring nations are
Speaker 7: to discuss Trump's final awe, which is what they're calling it.
Speaker 7: They're calling this the final offer, which is you know,
Speaker 7: that's straight out art of the deal. But we've issued
Speaker 7: a very we've issued a very explicit proposal to both
Speaker 7: the Russians and Ukrainians, and it's time for them to
Speaker 7: either say yes or for the US to walk away
Speaker 7: from this process. Events told reporters we've engaged in an
Speaker 7: extraordinary amount of diplomacy. Yeah, all completely one sided. Hey, Ukraine,
Speaker 7: you need to give away everything they've taken and continue
Speaker 7: to have them on your border with the threat that
Speaker 7: they can come back anytime, with no assurances from the
Speaker 7: rest of the world that we could stop them if
Speaker 7: they did. Russia, you get to keep everything you took,
Speaker 7: but we'd like.
Speaker 5: To stop public facing stance. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I've always thought that. I've always hoped there was
Speaker 4: something going on behind the scenes that was tougher on
Speaker 4: Russia is part of Ukraine.
Speaker 7: But if there is, certainly has been reported yet, and
Speaker 7: so what it looks to me like is going to happen.
Speaker 7: So we've been saying for a long time is Putin's
Speaker 7: got no reason to quit now. There was a report
Speaker 7: that came out the other day that Russia has maybe
Speaker 7: six months more that they can do this financially and
Speaker 7: in terms of manpower.
Speaker 5: Then they're just.
Speaker 7: Out of gas because they're burning through between the two sides.
Speaker 7: What did I read the other day thousand and a
Speaker 7: week deaths or something like that, just unimaginable numbers. I mean,
Speaker 7: you know, we were in a rack for fifteen years,
Speaker 7: we were in Afghanistan for twenty years. We didn't get
Speaker 7: the kind of numbers they get in a month in
Speaker 7: terms of casualties. But anyway, if that's true, then maybe
Speaker 7: Russia's not in the position we think of it. But
Speaker 7: it sure looks like Russia's got no reason to quit,
Speaker 7: and so they aren't going to And so our stance
Speaker 7: is going to be this was our last deal or
Speaker 7: walking away working out amongst yourselves.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know, because uh Trump, it seemed to me
Speaker 4: was going easy on and flattering Putin to get him
Speaker 4: to the table and try to cut the best deal
Speaker 4: that he could. But Trump also has a long history
Speaker 4: of if you give me the middle finger after I've
Speaker 4: given you that treatment, brace yourself because I'm going to
Speaker 4: bring the hate. So do we just abandon Ukraine in
Speaker 4: a way that you've more or less described here, or
Speaker 4: does it go the other way and Trump decides to
Speaker 4: lower the the the boom on Putin?
Speaker 5: Well, I think we'll know if in weeks, if not days,
Speaker 5: which direction that is? Yeah, yeah, probably so.
Speaker 7: And will we continue to arm Ukraine the way we
Speaker 7: have in the past or more or not at all?
Speaker 4: Did I mention the wild chumps indulging in booze fueled
Speaker 4: feasts that's coming up next half hour. The actual interesting
Speaker 4: scientific aspect to this groundbreaking and shocking new video. And
Speaker 4: there actually is kind of a scientific insight to.
Speaker 5: Be had here.
Speaker 4: And also the the Maryland school opt out case, what
Speaker 4: was said the Supreme Court really interesting and so perverse.
Speaker 5: Don't be so specific?
Speaker 7: Do you take the fun out of booze fuel, chip feasts,
Speaker 7: Armstrong and getty.
Speaker 8: We will prevail in a fight over parental and religious rights.
Speaker 8: The ninth Supreme Court justices waded into the classroom at
Speaker 8: issue whether Montgomery County, Maryland should reinstate an opt out
Speaker 8: policy for parents who don't want their children, some as
Speaker 8: young as kindergarten learning from books containing LGBTQ and other
Speaker 8: controversial themes.
Speaker 9: There wasn't coercion here, that it was mere exposure. I
Speaker 9: understood from the record that all that was required is
Speaker 9: that the books be put on the bookshelf.
Speaker 10: It has a clear moral message, and it may be
Speaker 10: a good message.
Speaker 2: It's just a message that a lot of religious people
Speaker 2: disagree with.
Speaker 4: We're talking about a Supreme Court case. The oral arguments
Speaker 4: were heard yesterday Montgomery County, Maryland schools, saying parents do
Speaker 4: not have the right to know about the sexually explicit
Speaker 4: gender ideology lessons in public schools, and they do not
Speaker 4: have the right to opt their children out for any reason,
Speaker 4: including religious reasons. Now, of course, well here's here's the
Speaker 4: other side, with typical rhetoric eighty two.
Speaker 8: Michael, the opposing side also at the court today, we know.
Speaker 11: That a number of our kids are LGBTQ plus and
Speaker 11: the reality that we're talking about today is people want
Speaker 11: to erase us from books, they want to erase us
Speaker 11: from existing.
Speaker 4: Right, and all the kids will commit suicide. Yeah, we've
Speaker 4: heard it before. Here is what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Jack.
Speaker 4: Imagine if you're four year old was given a book
Speaker 4: with a fine the word list like a puzzle, and
Speaker 4: your four year old is supposed to find the words intersex, flag, drag, queen, underwear, leather,
Speaker 4: xo xo, and more from their preschool teacher.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't want that. That's from my fourteen year old.
Speaker 4: This is kids as young as three, and again, parents
Speaker 4: have no right to hear about this and no right
Speaker 4: to opt out the kids. Erase the gay community, right,
Speaker 4: and they'll all commit suicide. Yes, and mock Moon versus Taylor.
Speaker 4: Religious parents are asking the highest court to roll rule
Speaker 4: the Montgomery School Systems policy unconstitutional for obvious reasons of
Speaker 4: faith and that sort of thing. They are not asking
Speaker 4: the school district to remove the books from the classroom,
Speaker 4: or even the removal of the ideological sexual material from.
Speaker 5: Instruction, which I would like them to do. They are
Speaker 5: merely asking for the right to be notified in the school.
Speaker 4: No, No, they shouldn't be teaching radical gender theory to kids.
Speaker 5: Good lord. And there's a long.
Speaker 4: Standing precedent, so many of us have dealt with this
Speaker 4: through the years of you can opt out of various
Speaker 4: aspects of sex education through the years.
Speaker 5: You've actually looked into that fairly recently, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so this is what Also, it's very hard
Speaker 4: to have a handle on what you're opting out of
Speaker 4: and what will still be in Yes, I mean, unless
Speaker 4: you're going to go sit in the class every day.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: The activists are absolutely shameless in lying or hiding, lying
Speaker 4: about or hiding what they're teaching.
Speaker 5: So Ashley maguire.
Speaker 4: Wrote this piece for the National Review, and obviously from
Speaker 4: context you can figure out that she lives here there
Speaker 4: in that county, she says, but my home county is.
Speaker 5: Bizarrely dug in.
Speaker 4: The booklist is part of a broader initiative in MCPS
Speaker 4: that Schooled is focused on pre K pre K through
Speaker 4: fifth grade titled building Community with LGBTQ plus affirming picture
Speaker 4: books for kids who are so young they can't really
Speaker 4: read about it. It's picture books, According to slides from
Speaker 4: the initiative, which were presented to teachers and obtained by
Speaker 4: one news outlet, because they had to dig and find
Speaker 4: this secret stuff because it was being hidden from the community.
Speaker 4: Teachers have been given a certain quote of these books
Speaker 4: to use in the classroom and can expect these lessons
Speaker 4: to be quote embedded throughout.
Speaker 5: And when why don't.
Speaker 7: More teachers come forward and say, look at this crap
Speaker 7: that they're making me teach.
Speaker 4: Because they see that the administration, their fellow teachers are
Speaker 4: arrayed against them, they go along to get along and be.
Speaker 5: Risking your career, which is easier said than done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see quote. As with all curriculum resources, there
Speaker 4: is an expectation that teachers utilize these inclusive texts and
Speaker 4: lessons with all students. Parents were told when parents sued
Speaker 4: one group of activists supporting the initiative actually docks the
Speaker 4: names of the families on Twitter. They wrote, if these
Speaker 4: are your children's classmates. You have a duty to shun them.
Speaker 5: So again, so you understand what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: The curriculum resources include books such as Pride Puppy. Oh,
Speaker 4: literally luring the kids into the van of this ideology
Speaker 4: with a puppy Wow Cromer.
Speaker 5: Right, you're right. Oh my god, I will call you wow. Oh.
Speaker 5: It's worse than that.
Speaker 4: The curriculum resources include books such as Pride Puppy, which
Speaker 4: feature illustrated pictures of men in drag furries and words
Speaker 4: such as queer and intersectional, and Born Ready, a story
Speaker 4: about a five year old girl named Penelope who decides
Speaker 4: that she really is a he and the response to
Speaker 4: parents who opt to, who want to opt their children
Speaker 4: out go to a private school and this author right, well,
Speaker 4: that's what That's what I did with my kids. But
Speaker 4: not everyone can afford a five figure opt out, even
Speaker 4: if there is an alternative nearby. The result is a
Speaker 4: kind of socioeconomic religious discrimination, religious freedom for rich people's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Bill Barr is one of the more even handed commentators
Speaker 4: I think around. In this autobiography called quote a constitutional
Speaker 4: double standard. In America's educational system, public school students are
Speaker 4: subjected to militant secular progressivism, which is quote given the
Speaker 4: protections of the free exercise clause, but is quote not
Speaker 4: subject to the prohibitions of the establishment clause. The problem
Speaker 4: today is not that religion is being forced on others.
Speaker 4: The problem is that secular values are being forced on
Speaker 4: people of faith. Progressives claim to not like the law
Speaker 4: being used to force certain moral views on them, but
Speaker 4: now they want to use the law to force their
Speaker 4: moral views on others. And it's unequestionably it's quasi religious. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, and that's a good way to argue it
Speaker 4: as a lawyer. But it's not because of.
Speaker 7: My faith that I don't want using the book Pride
Speaker 7: Puppy to teach my kid.
Speaker 4: Oh my God about furries my five year old. Good lord. Now,
Speaker 4: this is a longish clip, but I geek out on
Speaker 4: this stuff, and I hope you will to, at least
Speaker 4: to some extent.
Speaker 5: This is Justice Gorsha. Gorsa's talking to the.
Speaker 4: School board attorney Alan Schoenfeld Safety five.
Speaker 12: Michael, I just want to make sure I understand a
Speaker 12: few fact things and then a law question. What age
Speaker 12: do you in Montgomery County teach students normally about human sexuality?
Speaker 10: I think that it begins in either fourth or fifth grade.
Speaker 12: The human sexuality class.
Speaker 10: That family life in human sexuality curriculum. I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 12: It starts in fourth or fifth grade. I think is
Speaker 12: there anything you can point us to in the record
Speaker 12: on that.
Speaker 10: I don't think so?
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 12: And second, these books are being used in English class.
Speaker 10: The division between English class and other things in a
Speaker 10: second grade classroom doesn't really exist. You're sort of in
Speaker 10: a room with a teacher.
Speaker 12: And sometimes I appreciate that I went to second grade too,
Speaker 12: but it's it's part of the English curriculum that these
Speaker 12: books are being used in.
Speaker 5: That's I thought that was.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm not I'm not fighting the premise. I'm just saying,
Speaker 10: it's not the math class.
Speaker 12: It's it's not the human sexuality class.
Speaker 5: It's it is certainly not.
Speaker 10: The human sexuality class. I'm just sort of fighting the
Speaker 10: premise that there's a neat discisin.
Speaker 12: And they're being used in English language instruction at age three,
Speaker 12: some of them.
Speaker 10: So Pride Puppy was the book that was used for
Speaker 10: the pre kindergarten curriculum that's no longer in the curriculum.
Speaker 12: That's the one where they are supposed to look for
Speaker 12: the leather and things and bondage things like that.
Speaker 10: It's not bond sex a woman and a leather.
Speaker 12: Sex worker, right, No, no, it's not correct.
Speaker 2: No, gosh, I read it.
Speaker 12: In Great Dragon.
Speaker 10: The leather that they're pointing to is a woman in
Speaker 10: a leather jacket and one of the words is drag.
Speaker 5: Queen and and they're supposed to look for those.
Speaker 10: It is an option at the end of the book.
Speaker 12: Correct, Yeah, okay, And you've included these in the English
Speaker 12: language curriculum rather than the human sexuality curriculum to influence students.
Speaker 2: Is that fair?
Speaker 5: That's what the district court found.
Speaker 10: I think to the extent the district court found that
Speaker 10: it was to influence. It was to influence them towards
Speaker 10: civility then natural consequence of being exposed whatever, but to
Speaker 10: influence them in the manner that I just mentioned, Yes.
Speaker 12: And responding to parents who were concerned. You agree that
Speaker 12: there was some intemperate language used.
Speaker 10: I don't know that those were responding to parents who
Speaker 10: were concerned. This was after the fact for most of
Speaker 10: these comments, and this was in a very public setting
Speaker 10: which obviously got heated, and some intemperate convents were used.
Speaker 4: Certainly, you know what, they're perverts, they're sikos.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: What this reminds me of is I never like the
Speaker 7: people making all the arguments about marijuana where it's cancer
Speaker 7: victims need to be able to smoke marijuana because they
Speaker 7: don't have any hunger because of gamotherapy or anything like that.
Speaker 7: And I thought, all along, you just want people to
Speaker 7: be able to get high legally, which turns out it
Speaker 7: was the case for like ninety nine percent of the
Speaker 7: people were marching for this stuff. And I've never really
Speaker 7: liked sex education in school because I've always just saw it,
Speaker 7: what is this here? And I think that for most
Speaker 7: of the people that were trying to jam it into school,
Speaker 7: it was a camel's nose under the tent.
Speaker 5: You start with like the really easy.
Speaker 7: To defend, you know how bait where babies come from,
Speaker 7: and you get this crap in there.
Speaker 4: I've got to I think the human biology is perfectly defensible,
Speaker 4: perfectly defensive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it went beyond that very quickly.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, beyond the biological part, it's utterly indefensible. I
Speaker 4: don't find difficult to draw a bright line. Well, how
Speaker 4: about like gay sex and how about like furries and
Speaker 4: and and leather or dry clean. Yeah, the importance of
Speaker 4: needing to know how to please your partner, how specifically
Speaker 4: whatever partner of whatever sex. Yeah, no, no, I don't
Speaker 4: find it difficult to draw that line at all. Call me,
Speaker 4: I'll spend an hour on it and we'll have our answer.
Speaker 4: The idea that it's it's too hard to draw that
Speaker 4: line is ridiculous.
Speaker 7: The whole the whole premise of Matt and Bailey, which
Speaker 7: we won't go through the whole thing again, is so
Speaker 7: worth knowing because it makes sense, because it is it's
Speaker 7: exactly the Oh you're saying cancer victims shouldn't be able
Speaker 7: to get marijuana, and you're and your argument, oh you
Speaker 7: don't want biological side, but that's your that's what you
Speaker 7: retreat to, right whenever you're trying to push in the
Speaker 7: other stuff.
Speaker 4: Right Exactly, you start with a very reasonable premise that
Speaker 4: most people agree with.
Speaker 5: And then you float a crazy, out there radical.
Speaker 4: Premise and then somebody says, WHOA, I ambject to that,
Speaker 4: and you say, you object to the very reasonable premise
Speaker 4: I started with. It's a very very common technique, and
Speaker 4: the reason it's ancient is it works, Yeah, doesn't effing
Speaker 4: work around here?
Speaker 7: God, that is something I'd love to hear all of
Speaker 7: that Supreme Court argument. I heard some different Gorset stuff
Speaker 7: on the news yesterday that I thought was good. Also,
Speaker 7: I mean the idea that drag Queen is in a
Speaker 7: word search, give me preschooler for any age? Why would
Speaker 7: that be at any age in your school?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 5: See that? Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. But that
Speaker 5: shows the depth of their depravity.
Speaker 4: It's a concept that a little kid like that can't
Speaker 4: even comprehend and has never come in contact with. They
Speaker 4: are introducing the very concept of this. As the guy admitted,
Speaker 4: you had to influence. Good Lord, our government schools are
Speaker 4: so diseased.
Speaker 7: So I didn't ask for this clip because I've been sick.
Speaker 7: We'll have to dig it up for tomorrow. Did you
Speaker 7: hear the thing where Martha McCollum was interviewed doing the
Speaker 7: leader of the biggest teachers union in America about the
Speaker 7: point of education.
Speaker 5: We actually have a clip.
Speaker 4: Maybe we have that clip that. Maybe we have that clip.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, hit eighty nine. We'll see if it's what
Speaker 4: Jack's describing.
Speaker 1: Teachers times and classrooms are about how we engage kids
Speaker 1: to actually be their full selves.
Speaker 5: How we make sure that kids actually.
Speaker 10: I mean, let's concern with them being their full self
Speaker 10: than I am with them being.
Speaker 3: Able to read and write and do math. And that
Speaker 3: is the biggest problem that we faced in our school today.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the same time destination.
Speaker 7: The conversation was about what the point of public school is,
Speaker 7: and the leader of the biggest teachers union in America
Speaker 7: was saying, ninety percent of our classroom time is engaging
Speaker 7: in how the children can evaluate their full self, either
Speaker 7: the full cells or whatever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, as opposed to.
Speaker 4: Reading, writing, math in what are you talking about? Guys,
Speaker 4: let's tick up that whole interview. Let's have it for tomorrow.
Speaker 4: I want to go through that bit by.
Speaker 7: Bet who sends their kid to school in first grade, thinking, boy,
Speaker 7: I share hope they learned to be their full selves today?
Speaker 4: How many people were the gauge applied for college and said, boy,
Speaker 4: I did real well on the Act Becoming my full
Speaker 4: Self test, And so I'll bet I'll get into Yale.
Speaker 5: What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: We'll finish strong next or.
Speaker 5: The One More Thing podcast.
Speaker 7: I want to talk about some things that were different
Speaker 7: flying Southwest over my little vacation than I'd ever seen before.
Speaker 5: So stay doing for that excellent looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: Boy, I really enjoyed that listening to the oral arguments
Speaker 4: corsicch and that attorney. I'm going to dig up the
Speaker 4: rest of that and geek out on it today. More importantly, perhaps, Jack,
Speaker 4: is that wild chimps have been seen in the wild
Speaker 4: indulging in.
Speaker 5: Booze fueled feasts.
Speaker 4: According to a rare video, for the first time, wild
Speaker 4: chimps have been cordate indulging in alcohol together.
Speaker 5: Interestingly enough, they were drinking rose.
Speaker 7: So do they stand outside of a convenience store and
Speaker 7: wait till like a shifty adult is going in and say, hey,
Speaker 7: we'll give you twenty bucks if you buys a sad.
Speaker 5: Because chimps are under eight.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 4: Actually, they were eating and drinking from a volleyball sized
Speaker 4: fermented breadfruit.
Speaker 5: And what's interesting is that they seem to be.
Speaker 4: Sharing it and bonding together, in effect, getting together for
Speaker 4: a drink of the intoxicating fermented bread fruit. And scientists
Speaker 4: who observed this say, look, the possibility is that these primates,
Speaker 4: which are our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, could
Speaker 4: also use booze as a social bonding tool, and they
Speaker 4: believe the sharing of boozy food is likely widespread among chimps.
Speaker 5: Well they're ninety nine percent are genetics more than that.
Speaker 4: So the pure reviewed bindings offer a clue to another mystery.
Speaker 5: The origins of alcohol fueled feasting and humans could be
Speaker 5: goes back.
Speaker 4: Millions of years down Strong, It's.
Speaker 5: Battle, Strong, get Ready, Katie.
Speaker 10: Green and.
Speaker 5: Strong Monkey Happy Hours.
Speaker 4: Researchers have long suspected that human's ability to metabolize alcohol
Speaker 4: could serve an evolutionary purpose, a theory known as the
Speaker 4: drunken monkey hypothesis, which might be my favorite hypothesis.
Speaker 7: You don't have to stop throwing your feces here, but
Speaker 7: you can't.
Speaker 5: You have to throw it at home or something like
Speaker 5: them something something.
Speaker 4: Hey, let's get a final thought from everybody on the crew,
Speaker 4: beginning with our technical director Michael hit.
Speaker 5: It Jack, do whatever it takes to get yourself well,
Speaker 5: use whatever drug you need.
Speaker 6: If you have to drive to Tijuana and get something illegal,
Speaker 6: go for it, right.
Speaker 4: That's right, takes her hih Katie in our Steam Muswoman final.
Speaker 5: Thought, I think you should just go get drunk with
Speaker 5: some monkeys. You'll feel a lot better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Maybe, how drunk did you get last night? Monkey?
Speaker 2: Drunk?
Speaker 5: Monkey drunk? It's for you Jack.
Speaker 7: A final thought for us, I wish it was some
Speaker 7: easy test for the whole. This is gonna require an antibiotic,
Speaker 7: so you don't have to be like miserable for.
Speaker 5: Like a week and a half.
Speaker 7: Before they can give you the drug that will get
Speaker 7: you over at like forty eight hours.
Speaker 4: All right, can you test me for a micro My
Speaker 4: final thought enjoyed having a couple of extra days off,
Speaker 4: various kids on spring break and that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: I'm very good at, not working, very very good at it.
Speaker 7: Armstrong and Giddy wrapping up another grueling four hour workday.
Speaker 4: So many people, thanks so little time, Thank you for
Speaker 4: being here, good Armstrong and giddy dot com we have
Speaker 4: the story about the drunken champs, for instance under hotlinks
Speaker 4: cool we.
Speaker 5: Will see you tomorrow. God bless America. I'm strong and gatty.
Speaker 5: How many more hours am I doing this huge go
Speaker 5: away here? That's ludicrous? Right, I'm so.
Speaker 6: Good, says I do think it risks escalating tensions? Well,
Speaker 6: don't smoke crack.
Speaker 5: Do you understand?
Speaker 2: Can I understand the word you're sharing.
Speaker 5: Okay, so let's go with a fine man. I can
Speaker 5: jam some ambrosia and sing to it in my car.
Speaker 5: Just jam the ambrosia. Are you sure of that?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 5: That high note? I still have this stuff, baby, Thank
Speaker 5: you Warmstorm.
Speaker 2: I'm getting it.