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Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman, back and more clearer than ever,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of an ugh grade as we've started

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Speaker 1: baseball season. Poor you boyd here in Tennessee. Also with

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Speaker 1: us is my podcast partner, one of the best when

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Speaker 1: it comes to breaking down the Braves. That would be

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Speaker 1: Steven Tobert and Stevens. Baseball is back. Pitchers and catchers

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Speaker 1: reporting for the Braves, and we have a serious injury

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Speaker 1: to talk about and it is a significant one. Again,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us here on the Hammer Territory Podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to say this is the start of

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Speaker 1: a new season, but it feels like that baseball is back.

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Speaker 1: The super Bowl has occurred, and his super Bowl has

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Speaker 1: been completed. Baseball is now the central focus for everyone,

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Speaker 1: it seems. But of course, the Braves got some pretty

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Speaker 1: negative news today and Steven, we're gonna let you break

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Speaker 1: it down. This is going to be the topic of

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Speaker 1: the show, going to break down, of course, the news

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Speaker 1: that we received today, our reaction to it, how the

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Speaker 1: Braves will respond, and then some news and notes but

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Speaker 1: plenty to get to and Stephen, once again, it's not

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Speaker 1: the best of news more negative than positive when it

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Speaker 1: comes to Spencer Swellenbach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up, buddy. So you know, right around noon today,

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Speaker 2: Bowman Mar Bowman, friend of the show, beat writer for

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Speaker 2: MLB dot com, send on an odd tweet and it said,

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Speaker 2: no one has seen Spencer Schwellenbach or Robert Suarez. We'll

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Speaker 2: find out why later. And then about twenty minutes after that,

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Speaker 2: everybody started tweeting out Spencer Swallenbach is going on the

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Speaker 2: sixty DOL and he has elbow inflammation and is going

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Speaker 2: to be out for what Weiss called a significant period

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Speaker 2: of time. So this was all. You know, this all

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Speaker 2: happened around noon today, and we're gonna get into the

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Speaker 2: ramifications for the team just thirty thousand feet. Initial reaction

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Speaker 2: was just like it's just a punch in the nuts.

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Speaker 2: It really was like this was supposed to be the

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Speaker 2: start of twenty twenty six. Put in twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: behind us, right spring training, The start of spring training,

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Speaker 2: literally day one of camp is supposed to be like

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Speaker 2: the eternal hope of every baseball fan because you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a new season and there's endless possibilities in a

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Speaker 2: new baseball season. And man, did it just feel a

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Speaker 2: lot like twenty twenty five because did not even get

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Speaker 2: halfway through day one and we have a devastating injury.

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Speaker 2: So we'll go through the details real quick. So it's

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Speaker 2: it's right elbow inflammation. Presumably it is carryover effect off

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Speaker 2: I will be honest, I am so unfamiliar with a

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Speaker 2: I assume it's pretty connected to that. It's just part

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Speaker 2: of like the rehab process and what Wisse said. They

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Speaker 2: think it's just some bone spurs. They don't think it's

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Speaker 2: anything that's going to require additional surgery, but there's enough inflammation.

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Speaker 2: And he had a bullpen about five or seven to

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Speaker 2: ten days ago where it started to bite him and

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Speaker 2: he reported to the team that it was hurt, and

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Speaker 2: they made the decision to put him on the sixty

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Speaker 2: day IL, which means he's not going to be back

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Speaker 2: until at least the end of May, more much more

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Speaker 2: likely sometime in June or even after that. Bowman today

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Speaker 2: his best guess, So it sucks. And listen, we have

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Speaker 2: been saying and saying and saying for weeks and weeks

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Speaker 2: this rotation, this specific rotation, this specific collection of pictures

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Speaker 2: has higher injury risk than normal, Like every rotation has

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Speaker 2: on the sixty day IL last year. And that's why

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Speaker 2: we wanted the Braves to go get picturing, more, pitching,

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Speaker 2: more starting pitching specifically, and boom, day one a camp,

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Speaker 2: just sucks. Man, it just sucks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, there's no better way to put it. And

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Speaker 1: and again I think that this is important to point out.

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Speaker 1: But the word indispensable comes in place like this is

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Speaker 1: You know what that could look like. Let's get into

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Speaker 1: So it's very unlikely. It's now essential that we sign

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Speaker 1: But for Spencer swelling Box injury itself and what the

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Speaker 1: Three things actually. Number one, you're back to thin ice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's the thing is that and I tweeted

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Speaker 2: it's almost never the full version of that picture, and

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Speaker 2: Braves fans saw it firsthand last year with Spenser Schreider. Right,

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Speaker 2: Spencer Streider came back last year, but these Spencer Streider

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Speaker 2: And again we saw it last year with Strider. And

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Speaker 2: And that's what you're talking about. Where now the shift

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Speaker 2: And I know Sale, if Sale is healthy, I know

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Speaker 2: and now Spitzer Strider just becomes so much more important.

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Speaker 2: And what the team does in a response to this,

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Speaker 1: So, Stephen, the first thing that comes to mind is, okay, again,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing that I'll say is this is

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Speaker 1: made this off season, You've had a very good off season.

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Speaker 1: But now when you lose one of the quality pieces

431
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Speaker 1: of your rotation, this off season is gonna feel incomplete.

432
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 1: If they don't go out a significant arm, because we're

433
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Speaker 1: now to the point to where you've lost one of

434
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Speaker 1: your biggest contributors to you hopefully returning to contention. You

435
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Speaker 1: want to be a contender, go act like a contender

436
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 1: and get something done. The time is now or never,

437
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: in my opinion, Go get something done, because for you

438
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: to return to contention, you have to have an aspect

439
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 1: of this team that is either very much above average

440
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: or elite. And right now you're starting pitching that Biel

441
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 1: is the closest aspect of your team to doing that.

442
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: But you just lost one of the biggest reasons why

443
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to replace the swelling box.

444
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: But you need to go out and get another quality

445
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: arm or two to give you a chance to do that.

446
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, you're probably gonna pay more. You probably are.

447
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: You're probably gonna pay a little more than you wanted to.

448
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: But that's the price for not doing this in November

449
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: or December. Right like now, you're up against the wall.

450
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 2: Teams know you're up against the wall, and I mean

451
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: you're one more piece of bad news away from being

452
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: completely screwed. So unless you want Bryce Elder and Joey

453
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: Wentz both pitching and your rotation and both throwing one

454
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: hundred plus innings this year, which no one wants so

455
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: And I understand you have Hersa Waldrop and that does help,

456
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 2: but I have my own questions about herschel Walder, It's

457
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: long term viability and how how real last year was.

458
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: I'm not ready to I'm not ready to count on

459
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 2: Herston Waldrip yet. Just go get another solid, durable picture,

460
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 2: Like it's not that hard. This should have been, Like

461
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was priority one for me,

462
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: but it was probably like priority one or one A,

463
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: one A or one B all off season, like everyone

464
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 2: saw that you needed more durability in the rotator. I

465
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: don't know how we're to this point of the off

466
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: season and it still hasn't been addressed. It's just crazy,

467
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: Like it's the most obvious thing in the world to

468
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 2: me that this team needed another starter, And the fact

469
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Speaker 2: that we're sitting here on February what is it, February

470
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,199
Speaker 2: tenth day one of camp and they still have not

471
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: added a single piece to the rotation is just And

472
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about the Mining League deals

473
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 2: for the NRI guys, like I don't want to hear

474
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: about that, Like go add legitimate, you know, quality major

475
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 2: league starting pitching. Just go sign Chris Bassett. I don't

476
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 2: know why this is that hard. You don't even have

477
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Speaker 2: to give up a draft pick to do it. If

478
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Speaker 2: you don't want to sign listen, Zach Gallon might get

479
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 2: one hundred million dollars. I don't know, he might not

480
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: this late, or you might not want to get up

481
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 2: the give up the pick. Okay, I don't necessarily agree

482
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: with that, but that's fine. I can understand that reasoning.

483
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 2: Go sign Chris Bassett. He doesn't cost a pick. He's

484
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Speaker 2: not gonna cost you one hundred million dollars. He's gonna

485
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: put up a two win season. He's probably gonna throw

486
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: one hundred and forty innings, And that's exactly what you

487
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 2: need right now. You need some durability, you need some stubility,

488
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 2: because again, you are one more piece of bad news

489
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: away from being extremely screwed, and you have a bunch

490
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: of volatile pitchers who are one pitch away from that

491
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: bad news coming up. So just go out a picture.

492
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 2: It's not it should not be this hard. Like I understand,

493
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: it's not easy to sign these guys, but the Atlanta

494
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 2: Braves should be able to sign one starting pitcher in

495
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: an entire offseat, like I'm not asking for the moon here,

496
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 2: Sign one starting pitcher like teams do it all the time.

497
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Go sign a starting pitcher to help with the depth

498
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 2: of this team. Like it's it shouldn't be hard, especially

499
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: if you did it back in November or December when

500
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: you should have. It might be harder now, but that's

501
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: the price you pay.

502
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely and and and like I say that, the time

503
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: is now, like you, you've got to get it done

504
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: as much as you feel good about the team and

505
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: all that different stuff. Again, listen, a trade of this

506
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: team is higher injury risk than other teams. That's just that's.

507
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: The that is the thesis of this entire argument, is

508
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: that there is just more inherent injury risk on this

509
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: team than most others.

510
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: And so you went out and you got depth for

511
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Speaker 1: the lineup. Go out and do it for the rotation,

512
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Speaker 1: and do it quickly. That way they can come into

513
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: camp and you know what you've got to work with.

514
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: Speaking of you know, maybe a bit of a surprise

515
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: when it comes to camp. A name known around baseball,

516
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: but one that was surprising to see in Braves camp. Well,

517
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: we'll start. Let's set the stage here a little bit,

518
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: switching from pitching to the catching position for the Braves.

519
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: You know, of course, Sean Murphy was in camp yesterday.

520
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: He talked to the media, you know, talking about the

521
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: fact that it's likely going to be may or so

522
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know when he's really looking to come back. He

523
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: mentioned that he's going to start some light running, maybe

524
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: getting too baseball activities, but it's clear that there's still

525
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: quite a bit of time before he's going to return.

526
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Speaker 2: Well.

527
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: Former Texas Ranger catcher jonah Heim actually was in camp

528
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: for the Braves, and it was revealed today that the

529
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Speaker 1: Braves signed him to a one year, one point twenty

530
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: five million dollars deal. It's not that significant in terms

531
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Speaker 1: of assigning because basically he's probably just going to hold

532
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: the fort down as the backup catcher until Sean Murphy arrives.

533
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Speaker 1: But when you look at the past and you look

534
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: to see, you know, the production that Jim has had

535
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: a few seasons under Tim Hyers, that's the big connection here.

536
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: The fact is is that he was, you know, the

537
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Rangers catcher back when Hires was the batting coach for

538
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: the hitting coach for the Rangers. I think this is

539
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: a pretty notable signing when it comes to, hey, we

540
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 1: needed a guy for two months. Jonaheim has decent potential

541
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: to be a good backup catcher. I approve of this

542
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: signing by the Braves. I know, Steven, you had talked

543
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: about maybe them going to sign a Mitch Garver or

544
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: something like that to also kind of feel their need

545
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: for right handed hitting depth. But Jonaheim's a pretty good

546
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: option to feel that backup catching spot, especially heaven forbid, well,

547
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not even gonna put it out

548
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: there into the universe. Jonaheim's a good backup catcher who

549
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: can spell or spell h Drake Baldwin occasionally when it

550
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: comes to the lineup.

551
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've thought for the last few weeks in signing

552
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 2: a third catcher made sense. That's why I brought up

553
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: Mitch Garver a few weeks ago. I can't remember exactly

554
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 2: when we had that conversation, but it just made sense

555
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: because one, you don't know that Sean Murphy, you don't

556
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 2: know the injury extent, you don't know when he's gonna

557
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: be back.

558
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

559
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 2: Murph was actually interviewed today and and kind of repeated

560
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: that that he that they don't really have a timeline,

561
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 2: which is not bad news. It's also, I guess, not

562
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: great news. I guess it's it's just kind of neutral.

563
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 2: But you don't know long he's gonna be out, so

564
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: you needed another catcher. The other reason I wanted to

565
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: sign a right handed catcher that has some decent pop

566
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: against lefties is because I've also been saying for a

567
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 2: while that I thought the Braves were a right handed

568
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: bat short You know, when there's a left handed pitcher

569
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Speaker 2: on the mound and you don't want to use your

570
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: strim ski and you got to put pro for on left,

571
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Speaker 2: you know, who's gonna d h is a question that

572
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,959
Speaker 2: I've had. You know, originally it was going to be Dubon,

573
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 2: but obviously Dubon is now the starting shortstop. Like I thought,

574
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: like a right handed outfielder like a Starling Marte or

575
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: a third catcher would make some sense. So obviously they

576
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: went the third catch a route. I think for his

577
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: career him has got like a one to oh five

578
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: WRC plus against left handed pitching. Last year he was terrible,

579
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 2: so I'm not even gonna pretend he was. That's why

580
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: he's available on February tenth for one million bucks.

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00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Uh.

582
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Speaker 2: But you know, he's had some success in the past.

583
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, he really crushed lefties hard.

584
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: He was like in the one thirties. Twenty twenty four

585
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 2: was like it was more like a ninety five I think,

586
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 2: and then last year like bottomed out completely completely. I

587
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: don't know what happened last year. So they're obviously hoping

588
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: they're still a little in the tank and he can

589
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 2: help out with lefties, but he also just helps out

590
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: with catcher depth. He is considered a pretty strong defensive catcher,

591
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 2: Like he's got a reputation of being, you know, really

592
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: good to throw to. I think a lot of people

593
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: are excited to have him around. Drake Baldwin. So yeah,

594
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Speaker 2: I mean it's not like going to change the world

595
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: or anything. But I've thought for a couple of weeks

596
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 2: that another a third catcher made some sense on the rosters.

597
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 2: So that was certainly notable today that he you know,

598
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 2: we woke up and he was in camp. Only was like, yeah,

599
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: he's here, so so yeah, it makes sense.

600
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again you're you're not expecting much from him,

601
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: but if you can just get, you know, semi reasonable

602
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: valuable value from him. Even with his offense kind of

603
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: cratering over the past couple of years, he's still been

604
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: a positive contributor in most metrics value wise because of

605
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: his defense. The other news and notes from today concerned

606
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: the bullpen. Robert Swarez one of the brave significant free

607
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 1: agent signings this year. He's going to be a bit

608
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: late to camp due to some visa issues. It's not

609
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: not anything injury wise that they're concerned with. And also

610
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: Dylan Lee won his arbitration case with the Braves. I

611
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: bring those up because those notes themselves are not necessarily

612
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Speaker 1: that significant. But I will say now that the attention

613
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: shifts a little bit from Man, if we could just

614
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: keep our rotation healthy, Man, if we could just get

615
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: this signing made, our rotation could really be the aspect

616
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Speaker 1: of our team that truly, you know, is elite, puts

617
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Speaker 1: us towards contention. To me, Stephen, it now shifts a

618
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: bit to the bullpen because you've got a really strong

619
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Speaker 1: back into the bullpen with Russell Iglesias, Robert Swarez, Dylan Lee.

620
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: You want them in camp. You want as least distractions

621
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Speaker 1: as possible, and you want those guys to be truly

622
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: focused on filling out that back into the rotation or

623
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Speaker 1: the back end of the bullpen, because again, some aspect

624
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: of this team is going to have to be near

625
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: the top of Major League Baseball for this team to

626
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: win at the level that they want to, and I

627
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: think the bullpen could surprise some people. Dylan Lee, Robert Sworez.

628
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: Getting them into camp without distractions, I think that's critical

629
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Speaker 1: now since you've got even more questions around the rotation.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so obviously, so as a visent issues, I believe

631
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: Sores is Venezuela like Acunya so and obviously Venezuela has

632
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: had some some upheaval over the last few months, so

633
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 2: I don't know how serious it is. Most visa issues

634
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: get get solved pretty quickly. And also remember that is

635
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: kind of an extended spring training this year because of

636
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: the WBC, And obviously, sure as being a reliever, he

637
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: doesn't need nearly as much time in camp as like

638
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 2: starters do to get ready. So I'm not that worried

639
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: about the the visa issues outside of the Venezuela stuff.

640
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of separate, and we'll see if

641
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: anything comes to that. Also, you know, when Akunya reports

642
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: to camp, you know it's I'm gonna be tracking that

643
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 2: as well to make sure he doesn't have similar issues.

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Speaker 2: But but yeah, they only won his arbitration case. I

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Speaker 2: do think the bullpen is going to be a strength.

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Speaker 2: I especially think the bullpen would be a strength if

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Speaker 2: they signed another starter and put Ronaldo Lopez or Grant

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Speaker 2: Holmes in the bullpen, the bullpen would be even better,

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Speaker 2: Like it's another reason to sign a starter. By the way,

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Speaker 2: I do, I am probably most confident in the bullpen

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Speaker 2: out of all three phases right now, starter lineup, bullpen. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would probably say the bullpen is where I have

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Speaker 2: the most confidence. I think that's where the Braves have.

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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they spent a lot of money on

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Speaker 2: the bullpen this offseason. You can probably make the case

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Speaker 2: they went harder on the bullpen than anywhere. So I

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Speaker 2: do think it's gonna be really good. You got to

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Speaker 2: keep everybody healthy, of course, and they do have some

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Speaker 2: age like Glacias Sin Suarez are not young, so you

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Speaker 2: know they're gonna have to stay healthy and not fall

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Speaker 2: off the cliff that a lot of players do when

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Speaker 2: they get to mid thirties. But I think the bullpen

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Speaker 2: will be good. It will be exponentially better if you

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Speaker 2: just add a starter and you can now shift one

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Speaker 2: of those starters over to the bullpen and have more versatility.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing either Joey Wentz or Bryce Elder are gonna

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Speaker 2: end up being in the bullpen just because neither one

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Speaker 2: has options and they don't want to cut both. Joey

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Speaker 2: Wentz makes more sense to me than Elder because he's

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Speaker 2: done it before. But we'll see what they do. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: the bullpen should be good. I am as I am.

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Speaker 2: I am less worried about the bullpen than I am

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Speaker 2: any other part of the team is. I guess the

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Speaker 2: best way to say it.

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Speaker 1: I'll end with this. If there was a time where

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Speaker 1: this news comes, it's now, right because at the very

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Speaker 1: least it's the start of spring training. You've still got

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Speaker 1: time to be able to plan around it, adjust all

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Speaker 1: that different stuff. But you got to take action. We've

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Speaker 1: seen the braves adjust eternally, and we've seen them you know,

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Speaker 1: next man up and all this different stuff. Go out

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Speaker 1: and sign a starter, add pitching depth. The time is

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Speaker 1: now to get it done. I know we keep repeating ourselves,

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Speaker 1: but we keep repeating ourselves because the biggest reasons why

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Speaker 1: we keep repeating ourselves keep repeating themselves. Is the best

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Speaker 1: way that I can describe it when it comes to

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Speaker 1: what the Braves need to do. Adjust all you want

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Speaker 1: to accumulate data, all that you want to, but do

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Speaker 1: it by also adding value externally. Stephen, anything else from you?

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Speaker 1: As we wrap up this edition, hopefully, hopefully, hopefully the

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Speaker 1: last version of this podcast where we've got to break

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Speaker 1: down what do the braves do now because of a

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Speaker 1: damn injury, Hopefully the last one of these we have

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Speaker 1: to do in a while, Stephen, anything else from you?

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Speaker 2: I have one final thing, so do me a favor.

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Speaker 2: Repeat after me. Say gallon of milk.

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Speaker 1: Gallon of milk.

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Speaker 2: Now, says Zach gallon of milk.

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Speaker 1: Zach gallon of milk.

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Speaker 2: Now, remove the of milk of milk. No, remove that

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Speaker 2: part of milk. Say just Zach gallon, Zach gallon.

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Speaker 1: There you go, beautiful, I said, Zach gallon.

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Speaker 2: You put a weird eye, I say. You say you

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Speaker 2: say Zach, You say Zach gallion.

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Speaker 1: I did not say Zach gallion. I said, Zach gallon.

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Speaker 2: Well the tape that listen. Luckily it's recorded, so we

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Speaker 2: will know.

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Speaker 1: Listen, you signed Zach Gallan. You signed Zach Gallian. I

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Speaker 1: will drink milk on air in celebration. As a matter

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Speaker 1: of fact, I will pull it. Pull a kurd angle,

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Speaker 1: come up, put this camera outside.

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Speaker 2: I also wanted on the record that when I said

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Speaker 2: remove of milk, you just kept saying of milk, which

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Speaker 2: is just beautiful.

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Speaker 1: A gallon of milk.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're You're a national treasure You are

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Speaker 2: a national treasurer, just like Gallen Gallon, just Zach Gallon

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Speaker 2: of milk. Just keep saying that. Yeah, there you go, Zack.

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Speaker 1: If we said listen, I don't care. I don't care.

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Speaker 1: Sign Zach Morris if you want to, I do not care.

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Speaker 1: Just sign a picture. Can't thank you enough for joining

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Speaker 1: us here on the Hammer Territory podcast. For Steven Tolbert,

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Speaker 1: you can find him to be under Square Outliers. My

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Speaker 1: name is Sean Coleman. You can find me at statsay

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Speaker 1: s ac on Twitter. By the time listen, hey, I

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Speaker 1: will leave you with this inspiration. I will leave you

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Speaker 1: with this. If I can sit here and improve the

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Speaker 1: overall quality of you being able to look at me,

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Speaker 1: and now you are cursed to see what I actually

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Speaker 1: look like. I can get better at mentioning and pronouncing

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Speaker 1: a very very.

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Speaker 2: Important that is a very high definition camera. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if Tennessee just like cracked that technology, but.

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Speaker 1: And you want to know the definition of high quality.

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Speaker 1: This right here, this right here. I may not be

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Speaker 1: able to pronounce pitchers names right, but at least look

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Speaker 1: better doing it than I did before. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: go braves. We'll talk to you again soon here on

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Speaker 1: the Hammer Territory podcast