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Speaker 1: What's the start of a new week. Good afternoon, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the new week. Welcome to One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: We're right next door to the bill Stadium, John Murphy's

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Speaker 1: Team Tasker. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive here

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Speaker 1: from noon until three. Happy Monday. Everybody, Happy April. Everybody,

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Speaker 1: Happy April Fools Day, everybody. John Murphy was teap tasker.

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Speaker 1: You're not. You don't strike me the type of guy

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Speaker 1: who makes a big day a lot of April Fools taste.

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Speaker 1: I'm a serious dude. You are You're pretty much locked

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Speaker 1: That's right, Welcome to the show. Everybody had a rough one,

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Speaker 1: a rough weekend too, So how could you have a

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Speaker 1: rough weekend? You? I went to dump hockey games. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that'll do it, the local hockey team, that'll do it.

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Speaker 1: And I did go to see Dumbo the new were

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Speaker 1: the hockey games? Was it Thursdays? It was whatever? Why

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Speaker 1: I was there, stayed until the final whistle to last night.

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Speaker 1: Why did you say, uh, well, we got to the

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Speaker 1: the next uh, the next goal. We'll tell us what

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Speaker 1: then nobody scoring. We just sat there. Sabers didn't score

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Speaker 1: shut out? Yeah, it was. It was a rough night.

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you, Murpha. By the end of that game,

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Speaker 1: By the end of that game, it looked like a

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Speaker 1: It looked like Opening day in Toronto. And there's like

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Speaker 1: It was. It was as bad and atmospheres I've ever

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Speaker 1: Both teams were playing hard, got into overtime three on

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Speaker 1: Something's it's just a bummer because we've all seen that

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Speaker 1: I'm worried about you? What's coming here? Monday was right

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Speaker 1: with the NCAA basketball Tournament was a was an unbelievably good,

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Speaker 1: here's a reason to be pumped about today and about

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Speaker 1: where we're at. First of all, we're at the Bills

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Speaker 1: Complex here at one Bill's Drive. Steve and I unsolicited, uninvited,

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Speaker 1: and it is spectacular, Steve, wasn't it? It was amazing,

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Speaker 1: your best weight is two eighty two. You know they

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Speaker 1: do that, They slice it down like that. So I

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Speaker 1: think they would find the best weight for Bruce and

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Speaker 1: he'd get there and stay there. You know, the way

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Speaker 1: they do a lot of these guys. I think they

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Speaker 1: did the same thing with Kyle Williams. They do the

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Speaker 1: same thing with Wrenzo Alexander. They you know. That's so

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Speaker 1: it would be different in that they would be able

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Speaker 1: to do that for guys. But a guy like Bruce,

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Speaker 1: You're right, he's transcendent. Whatever they told him is the

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Speaker 1: way he would play at right, And that's great. Ones

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Speaker 1: are able to do that with their discipline, with their

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Speaker 1: diet and with their training, and a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: that are like you know, we had guys. You know,

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Speaker 1: guys used to eat themselves out of the league. You know,

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Speaker 1: they just they couldn't. They couldn't do all of that

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Speaker 1: stuff off the field. They couldn't keep they couldn't make

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Speaker 1: that connection to their time off the field that they

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Speaker 1: did on the field. And you say, listen, if I don't,

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Speaker 1: if I don't eat all these pizzas, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: a better player and make more money, be more successful.

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Speaker 1: They just couldn't do it. They just couldn't do it.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys even today, they can't do that.

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Speaker 1: Three and a half weeks away from the first round

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Speaker 1: of the twenty nineteen draft, we're asking you the question,

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Speaker 1: who is the Bill's best first round draft pick in history?

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Speaker 1: Give us a call. Eight oh three five fifty toll

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Speaker 1: free one eight eight eight by fifty two five fifty

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Speaker 1: sending a tweet at one bills, I maybe you want

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Speaker 1: to vote in the Twitter poll. We'll take that as well.

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Speaker 1: Take a few calls here, Gary Anna Sell, Hello, Gary,

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Speaker 1: go ahand you're on the air with this. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: y'all doing good, doing good? Well. I've thought about this

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Speaker 1: over the years, you know, because I love Kelly, You're

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Speaker 1: my favorite personally of all time. But you gotta go

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Speaker 1: with Bruce. He's an all time or he's probably best

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Speaker 1: all time DEFENSIVEMN of all time. You know, they had

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Speaker 1: Reggie back then. Reggie White pretty good. Oh he's great.

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Speaker 1: He's great, no doubt. But I look at their tackle numbers,

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Speaker 1: was getting Attack of the Year team and Reggie. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything Reggie what a player, But you know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of thought my eyes, I would take Bruce

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Speaker 1: kind of like see said, I'm gonna take my guy

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Speaker 1: if he's amazing. He wasn't amazing. He was, Yeah, he was.

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Speaker 1: And Reggie was a great dude as well. I'm uh.

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Speaker 1: I always tell guys who who talk about Reggie White,

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Speaker 1: and Reggie's got a lot of great career numbers, um,

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Speaker 1: and he was a superhuman being away from the field.

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Speaker 1: He was a difference maker for a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: away from the field, and you gotta, you really got

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Speaker 1: to tip your hat to him for that reason. But

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, Bruce Smith made most of his sax

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Speaker 1: going against a left tackle. Reggie got a lot of

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Speaker 1: his sex, particularly in Philadelphia, going against right guards. Um.

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Speaker 1: And he also Reggie was down inside against and had

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Speaker 1: some playing for uh for uh uh Green Bay. No.

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Speaker 1: No for Rex Ryan's dad, Buddy Ryan. In that system,

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Speaker 1: he was you know, they did as much to free

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Speaker 1: him up as as they could, and then the Bills

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Speaker 1: did that s as well. But Bruce was playing with

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Speaker 1: his hand on the ground in a three four defense

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Speaker 1: where usually the three four defense, the outside linebacker is

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Speaker 1: the guy that gets the sacks, that's the pass rusher.

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Speaker 1: Bruce did it from a spot that's not known for

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Speaker 1: being able to rush the passer there, and he was

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Speaker 1: getting double digit sacks all the time. He was leading

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Speaker 1: the league in sacks all the time, and he was

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Speaker 1: put in a position by his alignment to be easy

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Speaker 1: to double team. So it's you know, Bruce overcame a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff in his career and was consistent, was

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Speaker 1: tremendous on and off on the field, on every down.

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Speaker 1: And I'm telling you what, man, it's He's my guy,

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Speaker 1: and I'm never say anything different. Now, there are certainly

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Speaker 1: other great great players. Reggie's one of them. There were

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Speaker 1: other great defensive ends. There were other great guys that defenders.

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Speaker 1: You know, Lawrence Taylor's always going to be in that

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Speaker 1: conversation and should be so. But for all of us

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Speaker 1: who sat here and watched Bruce Smith play for all

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Speaker 1: those years he played here in Buffalo, yeah, nobody can

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Speaker 1: touch him. Here's an argument, and I'll make it just

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Speaker 1: for the sake of an argument, to maybe say that

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Speaker 1: Jim Kelly was the number one first round draft pick

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo Bill's history. The argument is and one of

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Speaker 1: who's it? Wandering Jack said, Without Kelly, no way they

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Speaker 1: have the success they have. You could argue, I think

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Speaker 1: convincingly that the quarterback is more important than a pass

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Speaker 1: rush guy than an outside defensive end. I think you

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Speaker 1: can argue that, Steve. Look, and I know you need

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Speaker 1: pass rushers too, and they are maybe second on the

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Speaker 1: list of most important factors in a successful team back

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Speaker 1: then and even now. But look, if you're trying to

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Speaker 1: pick the best first round draft pick. Jim Kelly is

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Speaker 1: right up next to Bruce Smith in my book, mostly

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Speaker 1: because he played quarterback. He played the position that you

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Speaker 1: desperately need to have a difference maker, and he was that.

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Speaker 1: He was a difference maker. Yeah, not only not only that,

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Speaker 1: and he did play quarterback, and he played it the

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Speaker 1: way Buffalo fans wanted him to play it. He fit

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Speaker 1: this town. But I'll say this too. Remember they drafted him.

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Speaker 1: He didn't play here for two years, and he only

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Speaker 1: he did play a total of eleven seasons for the

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Speaker 1: Bills correct or ten seasons for the Bills. Bruce played

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Speaker 1: fourteen plus three or four or four of the Skins.

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Speaker 1: So but yeah, when he was playing, man, Jim, Jim

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Speaker 1: was it. He was as good a quarterback as there

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Speaker 1: was in the league. And he could put it anywhere

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Speaker 1: he wanted to put it or needed to put it.

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Speaker 1: He was awesome. I would argue that Jim. And again

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Speaker 1: this is for the sake of argument, Jim had more

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Speaker 1: to do with maybe a team attitude and yeah, I

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Speaker 1: say leadership than Bruce Smith. And Bruce was gutting and

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Speaker 1: he obviously you can speak to this as well as anybody.

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Speaker 1: Bruce had a lot to do with the team attitude,

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Speaker 1: but maybe Jim had more to do with it because

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Speaker 1: of his position, mostly because of his personality. Certainly you

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Speaker 1: could you could say more than I but Jim set

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Speaker 1: the tone basically for this team, right, Yeah, no question

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Speaker 1: about it. Jim. Jim was the heart of the team,

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Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the team. For from a

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Speaker 1: leadership standpoint, we rallied to him. He was a gregarious guy.

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Speaker 1: He he opened up his house and brought all the guy.

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Speaker 1: He was a real factor in that team being so

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Speaker 1: close knit, no question about it. But I'll say this

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Speaker 1: about Bruce too. Bruce was one of the guys who

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Speaker 1: had a strong enough personality to bring Jim back to

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Speaker 1: Earth when he showed up in Buffalo as as a

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Speaker 1: deity having never taken a snap. And Bruce and Thurman

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Speaker 1: as well a little bit, and Cornelius and Darryl Talley certainly,

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Speaker 1: you know, they they were part of the team that

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Speaker 1: made Jim into that guy. You know, they brought him

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Speaker 1: to the point where he said, listen, you can't do

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Speaker 1: it without us. You bet, you better start acting like

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Speaker 1: you're one of us instead of above us. And Jim

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Speaker 1: listened to him to his credit, and all those things

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Speaker 1: combined will give you an idea of how special that

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Speaker 1: group was. Where they they turned into this larger than

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Speaker 1: life rock band that was touring, touring the United States.

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Speaker 1: You know it was it was Bruce, Jim Thurman, Andre

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Speaker 1: It was like the Beatles, and you know, they were

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Speaker 1: in it together, and that was that was part of

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Speaker 1: what made that group special, the fact that they loved

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Speaker 1: each other. They still love and respect each other, still

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Speaker 1: keep in touch with each other. They did so much

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Speaker 1: together and endured so many Nobody endured a quick run

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Speaker 1: of hardship like they did, you know, running through four

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Speaker 1: straight Super Bowl losses. I mean, they they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of scar tissue together. So they're they're pretty close knit.

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Speaker 1: And but yeah, I mean they're so intertwined. For me,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to hard to you know, pull them apart

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Speaker 1: and evaluate them individually. Yeah, I get that, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Yep? Who was the best first round

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Speaker 1: draft pick in Bill's history. We are three and a

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Speaker 1: half weeks away from the first round of this year's draft,

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Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be great to get one of these

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Speaker 1: type of players this year? Unlikely I mean, you can't

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Speaker 1: go into a draft thing. We're getting the Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: Those don't happen every They doesn't happen every year in

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Speaker 1: the NFL draft, and certainly they do could happen, it could,

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Speaker 1: but man, yeah, those guys are unique and special. And

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons they're unique and special because it

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Speaker 1: wasn't just that guy. Was that guy plus these other

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Speaker 1: guys you already have on your team. Maybe there's some

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Speaker 1: guys on our team now, like guys that we don't

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Speaker 1: know about yet that are going to turn into legendary

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Speaker 1: players and elite players in the NFL and do it

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Speaker 1: together and form their own little rock band to go

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Speaker 1: around the internet. You know what I mean. Maybe there

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Speaker 1: are here, we'll see. But that's what made those guys

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Speaker 1: special was the fact that they did it together and

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Speaker 1: they and they were, you know, kind of one of

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Speaker 1: the same group. We'll talk more about this. Who's the

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Speaker 1: best first round pick in Buffalo Bill's history? Give us

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Speaker 1: a call to discuss eighth three fifty to three, one

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Speaker 1: eight eight eight five fifty two five fifty or you

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Speaker 1: can do it on Twitter at one Bills I vote

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Speaker 1: on our Twitter polls. Stephen I coming back One Bill's

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Speaker 1: I presented by Kali to Health from One Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Hello, they welcome back One

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Speaker 1: Bill Sive, John Murphy s Tasker. The NFL Draft Round

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Speaker 1: one is three and a half weeks away. It is Thursday,

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Speaker 1: April twenty fifth. Today is April first. It's coming Steve,

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Speaker 1: and we're talking about the draft. In the first round

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Speaker 1: of the draft, who was the what was the best?

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Speaker 1: Who was the best? I think it's more appropriate, who

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Speaker 1: was the best Bill's first round draft pick in team history?

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Speaker 1: Give us a call to discuss eight oh three oh

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Speaker 1: five fifty or two three eight eight five fifty two

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Speaker 1: five fifty. You found some stuff on the tweet sheet

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about? Yeah, I said, Here we

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Speaker 1: go from Brian Cook. He says, the only reason I

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Speaker 1: give Bruce then is because originally Jim wanted nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with the Bills. Then, when discussing the best and

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Speaker 1: the choices are all hall of famers, you have to

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Speaker 1: nitpick a little bit. All were great picks, Yeah they were. Yep.

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Speaker 1: It's and it's easy to pick the quarterback. And I

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Speaker 1: thought you and I both thought that was why it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be everybody's gonna pick the quarterback, and nobody's gonna

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Speaker 1: pick Bruce or or oj or anybody. It was just

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Speaker 1: gonna be all Jim Kelly. But I think most people

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Speaker 1: when you sit back and look at the at the

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Speaker 1: total career that Bruce Smith put together, and the consistency

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Speaker 1: and the longevity and the difference he was on the field,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it's easy to it's easy to to pick

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Speaker 1: him over anybody. Yeah, we got three Hall of Famers

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Speaker 1: to choose from in our Twitter poll, so we're not

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Speaker 1: dealing with you know, the Slappias here. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: who these guys are. Yeah, here's a call from Chuck

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Speaker 1: and Clarence. Chuck has a thought on who is the

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Speaker 1: Bill's first round draft pick the best first round draft

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Speaker 1: picking team history. Chuck, what do you have? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: tough to pick. Yeah, I'll play. Um, it's like asking

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Speaker 1: who your favorite child is. But I'll make a case

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Speaker 1: for oj. Okay, I'm maybe defending my my my cause here,

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Speaker 1: but I think Oja not only the best pick, maybe

639
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: the most important one to the club in the history

640
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: of the club. Um, he didn't even play running back

641
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: for the first one years. Year or two. Um. Of

642
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: course he came in. He got two thousand yards in

643
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: fourteen games. What would will never be broken again unless

644
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: they changed the format. Um. He was a national figure.

645
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: He was in movies and commercials. He was on television

646
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: all the time offseason. UM. At the same time, he

647
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: was part of our community. He really did a good

648
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: job being part of our community. We would see him

649
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: out all the time. He was in the running back

650
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: era where he faced you know, ten or eleven in

651
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: the box all the time. They knew he was coming

652
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: and he still got through. So it was really tremendous

653
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: to watch him. And I think some folks haven't maybe

654
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: haven't seen him or not. You know, his life got

655
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: tainted pretty quickly, and it's it's very sad. But some

656
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 1: sayy too that we wouldn't have had rich Stadium. That

657
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: when we started getting highlighted in the national type of

658
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: team because of oj Um, there was an urgency to

659
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: build rich Stadium and to kind of dress our address,

660
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: our town up. But I think he dressed the town

661
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: up and Gottess were got us the highlights. So yeah,

662
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Jock. He was a great, great running back.

663
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: You know he UM, you just mentioned the running back era.

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Speaker 1: He was at the time of his peak, which was

665
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: you know, early seventies, early to mid seventies. He was

666
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: the most exciting player in the game at the running

667
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: back spot. You know, that's very I think, fairly rare

668
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: in the NFL. The most exciting player in the game.

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00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: You put the ball in his hands, you cannot help

670
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: but watch what he's gonna do with it. He was

671
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: the reason the Buffalo Bills ever got on Monday night

672
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: football was on a national television broadcast. He was the

673
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: reason and people wanted to see him play, no question

674
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Speaker 1: about it. And despite what has happened to him. Since

675
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: you're right, the national presence of OJ put really I

676
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: think if you're if you're going back, maybe the most

677
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: important draft pick UH in the team history because of that,

678
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: because he's the guy that put him first time on

679
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 1: the map. Um. I mean, you know, maybe not. We

680
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: pumped the brakes a little bit really seriously, like before

681
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 1: OJ who, well, they won two AFL championships. They won

682
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: every game. You know, they won championships in their first league.

683
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: That's important in the B League, I mean, you know

684
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Speaker 1: what I mean, Yeah, I don't know, but it was

685
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: split up though, and was certainly certainly halved. Yeah. I

686
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: don't I don't like to think of that. I don't

687
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: think that's accurate. They won championships in the American Football

688
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: League and what the third time the two leagues got

689
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: to play each other, the AFL won it. You know,

690
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: they were competive. Yeah, they were more competitive. Ye. The

691
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: other thing Chuck said, which I got to think about,

692
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Speaker 1: I never thought about this, was OJ responsible for getting

693
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: then Rich Stadium built. I don't know about that. I

694
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: think the condition and the dilapidation of War Memorial Stadium

695
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: was the reason they had to build something or they

696
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a team in the late sixties, early seventies.

697
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: They you know, the stadium open in seventy three, they

698
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: would have they would have moved regardless of whether OJ

699
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: was there. I think, what do you think of that, Chuck? Yeah,

700
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Speaker 1: I think maybe the urgency to do it. I'd never

701
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: talked about it for years and years, and of course

702
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: it was dilapidated. It was terrible. I saw I saw

703
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: them play Kansas City in that last AFL game, and

704
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: it was really just a terrible would it be? Would

705
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: it be? Would it be plausible? Chuck and I'll put

706
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: this to you Tube, Murph, that when OJ got on

707
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: the Bills, all of a sudden, the team could say, listen,

708
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: we've got a guy. We've got our guy. We've got

709
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: a team that's good enough to compete. We don't have

710
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: a stadium. Now it's back in Buffalo's court, you know,

711
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: once they say, you know, I don't know, I don't

712
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: recall that. And I will say this with OJ is

713
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: Chuck pointed out, it was not all of a sudden.

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00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: John rouchmis used him in his rookie year. He was

715
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 1: kind of a decoy. They still wanted to throw it.

716
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: So and Chuck, do you agree with this? It didn't

717
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: happen all of a sudden with Oj. Right, the first

718
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: season here was sixty nine. It wasn't until you know,

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Speaker 1: seventy one before he became an important factor in the

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00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: Buffalo offense. Yeah. Yeah, Lou Saban came in and he said,

721
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: we're going to run the ball with OJ. And yeah,

722
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: so it took a while for that the takehold. It

723
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: wasn't all of a sudden. I don't know. It's a

724
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: long time ago, right, it's fifty years ago, sixty nine,

725
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: it's fifty years ago. I wanted to make Yeah, it's

726
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and it is. There's a case to be made, no

727
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: question about it. And it's hard, and it's you know,

728
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 1: for for obvious reasons, it's hard to bring him up

729
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: in conversation sometimes. But still, I mean, it's part of

730
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: the history of the club and you kind of at

731
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: least once in a while, have to remember it. It

732
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: is a yeah, and it is hard, Chuck, thanks for

733
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Speaker 1: bringing it up. It is very hard to do that

734
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: given what OJ did. It's not what happened to him,

735
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: and it's what he did in his post playing career,

736
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: but it's it is a part of the franchise history.

737
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: Is playing that days we can talk about and we

738
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: can talk about them with great honor and admiration. That's

739
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: how good a player he was Pro Football Hall of Famer,

740
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, first overall pick in the draft. Yeah, you

741
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: don't have to apologize at what I'm trying to say

742
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: for mentioning OJ is potentially the best first round pick

743
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: in franchise history. We've got other people chiming in as

744
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: well on Twitter, and obviously I was waiting for this

745
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: one to happen. It's Josh Allen twenty eighteen okay, and

746
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: it says another one that's from Jason and Daniel Foster

747
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: says Josh Allen, because he's going to get us our

748
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: first super Bowl, You're welcome. So there's a pronouncement. And

749
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,760
Speaker 1: and here's another one from Andrew North, who Eric Moles

750
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: has to be near the top what a dynamic receiver.

751
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: And I have always said that Eric Moles had Hall

752
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: of Fame talent on a team that in a point

753
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: in their history here in Buffalo where they just weren't

754
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: good enough to support him and his talent. Eric Moles

755
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: was a dynamic receiver, maybe as good a receiver as

756
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,879
Speaker 1: this team's ever had, uh right up their inabilities with

757
00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Andre James lofton those guys, Jerry Butler. Eric Moles was

758
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: every bit the talent that those guys were. And he

759
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: was in an era where they were going through guys

760
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: like Todd Collins and Doug Flutie and and uh, you

761
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: know the all the you know, go down the list

762
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks, you know, and all those guys. So Eric

763
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: Moles was for me a guy who had Hall of

764
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: Fame talent who never was able to cash in on

765
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 1: it because of um, you know, the guys thrown to

766
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,439
Speaker 1: him and the team around him, and again, a slow

767
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 1: start to his NFL career wasn't until Weake took over

768
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: before they firmly insult inserted Eric Holmes into the starting

769
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: lineup and made him an important part of the offense.

770
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 1: It took a couple of years, Dan, that guy could play. Yep,

771
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: here's Dave and Buffalo. Hello Dave, welcome to the show. Yeah, Hello, John. Um,

772
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: well I've got I've got a thought on that first traffic.

773
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: But first of all, you and Steve here, this is

774
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: good radio. And um, I go way back with you, John,

775
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: when my kids were little doing the dishes, watch listening

776
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: to One on one Sports journal. Yeah, that was way

777
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: back on That was way back. And then tell me

778
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: if Stan Baron start one on one Sports and then

779
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 1: you took over and no, yeah, Stan didn't call it

780
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: one on one Sports. He was free form Sports. And

781
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Stan stopped doing that, and um, he got sick in

782
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, and I jumped in there and started

783
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: doing it in February of nineteen eighty five, and we

784
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: changed the name to One on one Sports. But Stan

785
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: Baron was free Form Sports, same time spot. It was

786
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: like seven to eleven most nights, weeknights at w e N. Yeah,

787
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: good memories listening every day back then. Thanks now, and

788
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: you might have to check the mechanics on this. We

789
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: drafted Kuzano Tom Kusino number one overall, didn't we trade

790
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,399
Speaker 1: him to Cleveland for the pick that became for number

791
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: one pick that became Jim Kelly. Yes, that's right. They

792
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: drafted Kuzano in nineteen seventy nine, number one overall, and uh,

793
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: four years later, Uh, you drafted Jim Kelly in nineteen

794
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: eighty three. You had two first round draft picks in

795
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: eighty three. The first one was Jim, the second one, no,

796
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the second one was Jim. The first one

797
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: was Tony Hunter, the tight bye. And then that's what

798
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: the keke gun. And that's kind of a misnomer. But

799
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: the cake gun was named after mckeller, not after Kelly. Right,

800
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: that's correct, Yeah, that's correct. So I would think you

801
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: have to be Kuzano because Kelly by fire in my book,

802
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 1: best best number one overall. Oh so you're thinking Kuzano

803
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: was more important than Kelly because Kusano got traded for Kelly. Yeah,

804
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: because we got that pick. Okay, all right, Hey, yeah,

805
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,359
Speaker 1: I got you all right, guys, thank you, you bet

806
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: great job. Later, Okay, thanks you, I'm gonna take a break.

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Speaker 1: We're back, but more One Bills Live from One Bill's Driving.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back, one goes live

809
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: from One Bill Drive. Jam Murphy would Steve Tasker, Steve

810
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: saying aloud to our guests. Coming up after the top

811
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Speaker 1: of the hour. Mike Pereira, a longtime NFL vice president

812
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: of officiating. You guys have some history. We won't spoil

813
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: it now and say what it is, but there's gonna

814
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: be a lot to talk about with He was vice

815
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 1: president of NFL NFL Officiating UM right before Dean Bland.

816
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 1: You know, he's the guy you'll see on Fox Television

817
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: on game days. He'll he's their rules expert. Now he's

818
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: having the first guy to come out of the executive

819
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: offices of One Bills at NFL and go into the

820
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: broadcasting end of it to help people when their broadcasts.

821
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: That we'll talk with Mike about this that friend and

822
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: some quarters has viewed as is not favorable to the NFL.

823
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: I don't mind it hearing qualified ex officials talk about

824
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: NFL officiating, but some people think it's taken on too

825
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: much important. Steve any thoughts on that, well, listen, they

826
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: kind of made their bed. We'll talk to him about

827
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Speaker 1: the new rule changes as well. He'll have some thoughts

828
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: on that too, But listen, I think people want to

829
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: know that stuff. It's really interesting too. You talk to

830
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: the officials, like away from the field, and once in

831
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: a while, after we do games, we'll be in the

832
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: airport getting ready for our flights to come or whatever,

833
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 1: and the officials will be there and like you go

834
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: into like the Captain's lines or whatever they call those things.

835
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: We're waiting on our flights and stuff, and the officials

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Speaker 1: are in there and there they had just left the

837
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Speaker 1: game that we just broadcast, and we'll talk to him about, Yeah,

838
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? And I said, no,

839
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: I thought you guys had a good game. He had

840
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 1: one review and actually got upheld. You know, all that

841
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And to hear them talk about the

842
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: NFL and the games that they do and the play

843
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 1: and the way they see things, it changes. It's a

844
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: paradigm shift when you realize how good they are at

845
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: their job and how little they care about who wins

846
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: or loses. It's really affirming to me about how fair

847
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: and with no skin in the game that they have.

848
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: I mean, because they they are all about just getting

849
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: every single play right and then moving on to the

850
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: next play. And there's no I'm calling this because I

851
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: get you know, I missed a call here, I'm gonna

852
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: they never that's none of that good stuff going on.

853
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: It's amazing to hear them talk about it and how

854
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: serious they are about it and the nuances, subtleties and

855
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: the details that they're aware of, and it's it's it's

856
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: pretty fun to talk to him, and I'm and Michae'll

857
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: be here with us after the top of the hour.

858
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 1: Mike Prayer coming up live in studio. Well, this's gonna

859
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: also talk about a golf tournament that he is running

860
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: in Rochester coming up the summer. We'll talk about that.

861
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: Our Twitter poll question of the day, what was the

862
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: best Bill's first round draft pick in team history? Now?

863
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: The reason we ask this because the first round of

864
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 1: the NFL Draft now three and a half weeks away.

865
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: It is April. First Round one is April twenty fifth,

866
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: And what do you think we have a pull up

867
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: that is pretty much going in I guess a bit

868
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 1: of a surprising way on Twitter. Well, actually it's closed

869
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: up a little bit. Forty three percent say the best

870
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: Bills first round pick in history, forty four percent say

871
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith, forty one percent say Jim Kelly, thirteen percent

872
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: say O J. Simpson, three percent have somebody else in mind?

873
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: Give us a call. Let's discuss eight O three five

874
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: fifty to three one eight eight eight five fifty two

875
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: five fifty call on the line from Vince in north Tonawana.

876
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Vent, you're on the air, Hi, am Urth

877
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: high Steve, how are you good? Vince? Just a quick

878
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: question that ties in the idea of who is the

879
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: best first round pick and what that might point towards

880
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: coming up on the twenty fifth. Is there a possibility

881
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: of tying bringing in the idea of this young Oliver

882
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: kid as a first round pick with the Bills organization

883
00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 1: having the intention of immediately moving him to the outside

884
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 1: as a speed rusher similar sizes and capabilities as Bruce Smith.

885
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 1: At well, he's a little smaller than Bruce height wise,

886
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: and he's slighter than Bruce was when Bruce came into

887
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: the league, and probably heavier than Bruce was when Bruce

888
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: left the league. I don't and I don't listen. There's

889
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: no way I'm gonna sit here and tell you that

890
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna draft at Oliver and he's gonna be Bruce Smith.

891
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: I just don't think it can happen. The Bills have

892
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: a need at the inside too. Um thence you know,

893
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: three technique defensive tackle, and that seems to be exactly

894
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 1: what this guy, this guy could fit at Oliver. So

895
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why, what would be the motivation? He

896
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: reminds me. He reminds me more of John Randall of

897
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings than he does Bruce. He's got that short,

898
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: compact frame, real thick and muscled out. You know Bruce,

899
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: you know at the end of his career, he's more

900
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: like a power forward, you know, a little leaner h

901
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: and he's obviously never he was always fast. So yeah,

902
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, certainly you'd love the production

903
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: if at all Oliver can do it. But I'll tell

904
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: you this, even as a pro, and even if he

905
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: comes in has a phenomenal career, he's not gonna look

906
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: or do it the same way Bruce did. Because there

907
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: are two different kind of athletes you're seeing. There will

908
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: never be another Bruce Smith. Oh, there ain't gonna be

909
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: another Bruce. I'll say that never ever. I'll stand by that. Yeah, Okay,

910
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I won't disagree. I'll stand by just never's a long time.

911
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: It is a long time, and never's gonna it'll happen

912
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: after I'm long gone, So well, that's not never. Yeah,

913
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: I won't care after that, though, I'll be wrong in

914
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: that care and you won't be here all right to

915
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: break care. When we come back, we're going to talk

916
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: about a golf tournament coming to Rochester this summer, the

917
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 1: Battlefields to ball Fields golf Tournament. The guy who's sponsoring

918
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 1: it is going to join us in studio, Mike Pereira,

919
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: long time NFL Vice President of Officiating. When we return,

920
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: come on back. One Bill's Life presented by Kalaida Health

921
00:44:52,440 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 1: from One Bill's Drive. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio Bills

922
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: Radio Network stories date. They comes from One Bill's Drive

923
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: where the Buffalo Bills are a couple of weeks away

924
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: from players returning for their off season workouts, but around

925
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the NFL, several teams are already starting. The teams that

926
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: hire a new head coach after last regular seasons can

927
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: start to begin their off season workout programs. Today, eight

928
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: teams made that change, and the Cleveland Browns, Miami Dolphins,

929
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: and Tampa Bay Buccaneers are scheduled to open their doors

930
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: to players today. As we said, the Bills a couple

931
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: of weeks away from their first voluntary offseason workouts. The

932
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders are heavy holding a private workout with quarterback

933
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,439
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray and in Dallas later today. The Raiders working

934
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: out high profile quarterbacks like Murray as they usually do.

935
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: The workout first reported by Monday Morning Quarterbacks said the

936
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: Oakland staff would then go to workout Ohio State quarterback

937
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: Dwayne Haskins. After that. Arizona Cardinals were the first pick

938
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: in the draft. They spent Friday night dining with Ohio

939
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: State defensive end Nick Bosa in Fort Lauderdale. There's been

940
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 1: months of speculation linking the Cardinals to Kyler Murray, but

941
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: the dinner shows Arizona he yet to make a final decision,

942
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: apparently on their first pick. Mike Brown of the Cleveland

943
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: brown says he's going to figure out a way to

944
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: get an extension for wide receiver aj Green. Green has

945
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: been a Cincinnati Bengal for all of his career. Seven

946
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: time Pro Bowl performer Michael Irvian announced in a Instagram

947
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: post yesterday that the testing he underwent for throat cancer

948
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: came back one clean. He expressed gratitude for the outpoint

949
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: of love he received when the news came out last

950
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: week that he may be ill. The final four is

951
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: set now for Minnesota the Men's basketball Championship. Auburn plays

952
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: Virginia six pm on Saturday for one of the national semifinals.

953
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: After that, it's Texas Tech against Michigan State. The final

954
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: four all set for Minnesota this weekend. Buffalo Sabers shut

955
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: out by Columbus last night, four to nothing a Key

956
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: Bank Center. Sabers have been shut out for the five

957
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: of the last twelve games. They're three seventeen and three

958
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: in their last twenty three. Buffalo back out of tomorrow night,

959
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 1: a home game against the Nashville Predators. That's a seven

960
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: o'clock face off. That's the update from One Bill Strive,

961
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: John Murphy's Team Tasker, our number two of our show,

962
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,959
Speaker 1: One Bill's Live from One Bill's Driving. A special guest

963
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: in studio with us. Happy to have him too. He

964
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 1: is a long time vice president of officiating and director

965
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: of Officiating for the National Football League. Right now a

966
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: commentator on officiating for the NFL on Fox and several

967
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: other platforms, and he's getting a golf tournament ready for

968
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: a Rochester coming up this summer. Happy to have Mike

969
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 1: Pereira in studio with us. Mike, thank you for for coming by.

970
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: It's good to be here, and it's really good to

971
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: be sitting right next to this guy. We have a

972
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: long history. You want to start with that, Steve, go ahead,

973
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 1: all right, Well, for those of you don't since since

974
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven, when I retired in your special way,

975
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: in my special way, I got thrown out of my

976
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: last game, and green Bay is an away game and

977
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: I was played thirteen years last game. I'd retired the

978
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 1: last home game here in Buffalo. The next week we

979
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 1: had an away game in Green Bay. Was gonna be

980
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: my last game ever, and five plays in this guy,

981
00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: this guy threw me out for good reason probably, But whoever, Well,

982
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: you throw the flag. I was seventy seven. That just flat,

983
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: I see, that's just trying to maintain order. There, yea there,

984
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: and you saw I flew in there because I here's

985
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: the thing, and this is the funny part about it.

986
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: So you go, I'm walking off the field. And this

987
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: was back in the old days of replay, and you

988
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: can explain there was a delay that like they kind

989
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: of delayed the extra point to say, okay, let's make

990
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 1: sure we got it right. Then they'd go upstairs. There's

991
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: a big delay, and that was that's why they got

992
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: rid of it really before they brought it back. So

993
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: I see the clip on the big screen and I run,

994
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm going, you missed the call because it missed the guy.

995
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: You know, it's so supposedly bounced off one of them

996
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 1: as a punt landed bounced into the end zone, and

997
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: they said, your guys said that it bounced off one

998
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: of our guys when it went to the end zone,

999
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: which makes it a live ball. They recovered free touchdown

1000
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: Green Bay. So the super Bowl champion, defending Super Bowl champions,

1001
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: get this free touchdown, I thought, And I was so mad,

1002
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: So I come, I come right back out. So we

1003
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: go through all this, I get thrown out at under.

1004
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: Like a week later, I see the same clip. I'm going,

1005
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: of course it touched him. What was I even think

1006
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: so they got it right. They were totally right. Well,

1007
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: you know, and and the thing that was amazing was

1008
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: is that I knew that you thought that I called

1009
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: you touching it, and that's at least what I felt,

1010
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: right And and so then when you came out and

1011
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't, I wasn't the one that threw you out.

1012
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I wouldn't have thrown you out, because

1013
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: you were really just trying to get to my carry,

1014
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: as I call as ever. I was trying. There's just

1015
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: trying to break into there's there's a little bump there

1016
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 1: and I think it was maybe maybe well I was

1017
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: moving fast and I went to the sideline. Marv said

1018
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: to me, do you realize who you just threw out?

1019
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: You know, do you realize do you realize it was

1020
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: his last game? And uh, and and of course we

1021
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,479
Speaker 1: did because we saw the coin top before. How great

1022
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: it was. We're all out. You were great. You can

1023
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: already shook in my hand. It was great. I know,

1024
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: I felt I felt bad about that, but I was right.

1025
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: You were read. I did hit the troo. Mike carry

1026
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: is the one that actually, you know cost, which is

1027
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: what you should do right when you Yeah, if you

1028
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: if you are contacted by a player you throw. Man,

1029
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: I think cooler heads if you'd kind of thought back

1030
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: a little bit, maybe you would like, Hey, it was

1031
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: his last game, and he was always so good to

1032
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: the rev. He never ever ever got on the last

1033
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: because I I may have been the world's words I took. Yeah,

1034
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: I was. It's one of the most embarrassing things about

1035
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,240
Speaker 1: my career for me. But you know, the build officials.

1036
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 1: The other thing that's amazing about this thing is and

1037
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: I was just thinking about it before the before I

1038
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: walked in here too, and I just said it to you.

1039
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: I was nineteen ninety seven, that was Week seventeen. That

1040
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: was my last regular season game. Two. Yeah, so you

1041
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 1: got kicked out of your last but at least I finished,

1042
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah I did. You saw the final whistle two years ago,

1043
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: still talking about it twenty two years. You know what happens?

1044
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: I don't believe and it was. It's just one of

1045
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: those things that I kind of laughed. Now, you kind

1046
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 1: of made me a folk he ro. You know, you

1047
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,319
Speaker 1: know who else got I could I tell people this?

1048
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: You know who what other great player got throw out

1049
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: of his last game? Who Jim Brown? Did he really yeah,

1050
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: but you know, he thought he was coming back the

1051
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: next year. See, I thought, maybe you call the league,

1052
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: and then the league then said, you know, wait a minute,

1053
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: Pei Tasker got thrown out. He was a captive of

1054
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, let's get Pereira off the field, let's bring

1055
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: him in the office. Yeah, he's so bad. Yeah, we

1056
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: got to promote him into the office careers with us.

1057
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Speaker 1: He is a former NFL Vice president of officiating. Coming

1058
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 1: back to Western New York in mid June for the

1059
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: Battlefields to ball Fields Invitational golf tournament. Tell us about that. Yeah,

1060
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: we have a foundation that that we founded. There's an

1061
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: unbelievable shortage of officials around the country, everywhere across the country,

1062
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: specifically on the youth and high school levels, and so

1063
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: um I came up with the idea of having veterans

1064
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: who returned back to their communities to giving them scholarships

1065
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: become sports officials in their communities, whether it's football, basketball, baseball, hockey,

1066
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: um whatever, whatever. I just I thought about Stephen. I

1067
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: was driving to Oregon and I would think about the

1068
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: shortage of officials. And then I had met a couple

1069
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 1: of homeless vets and I was thinking about the vets

1070
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: and how you know when they defended our rights, how

1071
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 1: you know they had to have courage, they had to

1072
00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: have a mission, they had to have common sense, all

1073
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: of the things that and fearless for sure, and all

1074
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: the things that you look for in officials. And so

1075
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: I thought, man, they could be great refs. And so

1076
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: we kind of put this together and came up with

1077
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Battlefields to ball Fields. And we're in our third year now.

1078
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 1: We have over two hundred veterans that have been scholarship

1079
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: fifteen really here in the program between Buffalo and Rochester,

1080
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: and we have a golf tournament in Sacramento. The first

1081
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: two years we had a golf tournament there as a fundraiser,

1082
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,320
Speaker 1: and I decided to take the show in the road

1083
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: and so to alternate years in Sacramento and come here, Yeah,

1084
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 1: come here to Buffalo where the guys here are staging

1085
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: the tournament for it. So we're playing June seventeenth, a

1086
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: Cobblestonston of course, and it's all about the veterans. It's

1087
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 1: all about the veterans and officials, and it'll be an

1088
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: emotional day because we've got we've got unbelievable people, veterans

1089
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: lined up to speak at night at the dinner, and um,

1090
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, I just am so proud of the foundation

1091
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: and so proud of Jimmy de Belle and the guys

1092
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: here in this area that have put this on. So

1093
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 1: if you want to you want to play a great

1094
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: round of golf, you know, or or even just to

1095
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: tend the dinner that night, you can actually go online

1096
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 1: to Battlefields two Ballfields. It's the number two Battlefields two

1097
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: Ballfields dot org and you can read about the tournament

1098
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: and you could sign up for the tournament. And I

1099
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: promise you that when you leave that day, um, after

1100
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: the golf and the dinner, you won't even care about

1101
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: the shank on the twelfth hold. You know, you'll you'll

1102
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: be you'll be thinking about what you heard from some

1103
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: of these veterans that are now officiating and some of

1104
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: these guys that and the what they went through, and

1105
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: it's just it's it's a marvelous things. A shortage of

1106
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: officials because guys like Tasker that yell at them all

1107
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: the time. You know. The thing is, it's interesting, seventy

1108
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: percent of the officials nowadays that sign up quit after

1109
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: one year or maybe two. And if you go to

1110
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: you do, you take surveys and really what it is,

1111
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: it's the number one group of people that creates the

1112
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: angst and officials that cause them to quit. Parents, parents.

1113
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: On the youth level, you know what happens is when

1114
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: you get people to sign up to officiate, where do

1115
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 1: you put them? You put them in the youth games

1116
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: right off the bat, and where do you have the

1117
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: most obnoxious fans? Unfortunately, youth games, it's a game the parents.

1118
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: And we have to change that because there aren't enough officials.

1119
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: There are programs being dropped because there aren't enough officials

1120
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: to officiate the game. And you know, love them or

1121
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: hate them. I mean you don't love them, but that's

1122
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: for sure, but you can't have a game without them.

1123
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 1: And and we are we have a serious dilemma going

1124
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,879
Speaker 1: on in UH in officiating around the country. So we've

1125
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: got to attack that a little bit. And know that

1126
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: these guys are working as hard as they possibly can,

1127
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:14,359
Speaker 1: you know, and they don't care who wins um. But

1128
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: we've we've got to we've got to we've got to

1129
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: really get it to a point where it becomes better

1130
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 1: to officiate. And that would mean getting rid of some

1131
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 1: of the abuse to change your behavior. Well, they do.

1132
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 1: And and in Sacramento, we're trying something call Officiate Sacramento

1133
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: and I love it. I'm working toward. If you want

1134
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: your kid to play, that's great. If you want your

1135
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 1: kid to play, um, you have to commit to go

1136
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,759
Speaker 1: to a class, a one hour class to learn the

1137
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: rules of the game, and then you actually have to

1138
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: officiate two games UM, not the ones that your kids

1139
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: are playing parents, but the parents do so it to

1140
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: give them an idea. Sure, you know of how difficult

1141
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: it is. And and uh, and I think it's a

1142
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,359
Speaker 1: great it's a great tool. And I think in the end,

1143
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna get some young parents and some

1144
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: young fathers out there who go, hey, you know what,

1145
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: this was kind of cool. Yeah, and maybe you know what,

1146
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: I'll sign up for the local association. So we just

1147
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: have to change this because if we don't, you know,

1148
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: youth sports is going to dry up because there won't

1149
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: be people that can officiate that. Yeah, I agree with you.

1150
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,399
Speaker 1: They would talk. We were talking talking a lot last

1151
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:20,799
Speaker 1: week about the owners meetings and the rule changes that

1152
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: came out of there. What are your thoughts on where

1153
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: the NFL's headed with going headed down the slippery slope

1154
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: of challenging non calls. Well, yeah, I don't like it,

1155
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: to tell you the truth. I mean, I like the

1156
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 1: fact that at least they have developed something that they

1157
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: could correct the egregious air that happened in New Orleans

1158
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 1: in the championship game. But I think to open it

1159
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: up where they opened it up now is very scary.

1160
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,439
Speaker 1: I feel a little bit better after what I read

1161
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: this morning. At the end of games, at that point

1162
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 1: in time, inside of two minutes, it's going to be

1163
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: in the hands of the replay official and they're not

1164
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: going to change their philosophy on the Hail Mary, so

1165
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: Hail Mary, Survival of the Fittest. You can push an

1166
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: opponent off, you just can't drag him to the ground,

1167
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: So that won't change. But I think if you open

1168
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 1: it up now, the calls that are made or not made,

1169
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: you're gonna get You're gonna get plays challenged that are

1170
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: technically pass interference but ones that would never be called,

1171
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: and so are you then gonna be forced to reverse that?

1172
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 1: So what's just a silly play? So you run just

1173
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 1: a you know, a quick screen, but you know the

1174
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: blocking the wide receivers blocking a yard and a half

1175
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: down field before the ball is touched, and so he's

1176
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 1: he's actually by rule, he's a half a yard too

1177
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: far down field. It goes for an eight yard touchdown.

1178
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: You're gonna let a coach challenge that, and then you're

1179
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: gonna bring it back for something that you never would

1180
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 1: have called in the first play? What about bang bang

1181
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: play bang bang plays becomes a foul, so you go

1182
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: bang bang and nobody, I mean nobody would think in

1183
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: real time it was a foul. But then you slow

1184
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: it down and you see that the contact through the

1185
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: back comes in the ball is that far away from

1186
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: the officials from the receiver's hands, so it's interference. It

1187
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: is interference. So now you know, now does that change

1188
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: the way the game is officiated? And I, you know,

1189
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: I just think that we're gonna end up with so

1190
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 1: many more challenges that you're gonna further destroy the pace

1191
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: of the game. And and I also I just don't

1192
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: like a replay official sitting in a booth in many cases,

1193
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: quite frankly, who's never officiated before having to make a

1194
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 1: decision on whether he should stop the game because it

1195
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: might be pass interference. And then it goes to New York,

1196
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: and then New York. It's going to get looked at

1197
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: in New York by a former referee who worked only

1198
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 1: a couple of years down field. You know, I'm actually

1199
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: sick of the game getting more and more removed from

1200
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 1: the field and from the stadium and going to Park

1201
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: Avenue in the like. We're talking about a couple of

1202
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: these cases, including uncatchable balls that would be difficult in

1203
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: a booth in New York. You listen, you're gonna have

1204
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,680
Speaker 1: to look and you have three things. I mean, you're

1205
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,800
Speaker 1: gonna have to look at timing, that's one thing you're

1206
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: gonna have to look about, and then the contact itself.

1207
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: Remember the rule says it has to significantly hinder the

1208
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 1: receiver's ability to make the catch. So that's your second judgment.

1209
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: And then the third one is it catchable? You know.

1210
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 1: So it's just we've always see replayed. We brought it

1211
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: in to correct plays based on facts, not judgment, ground lines, planes,

1212
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 1: but it's slowly morphed into judgment. And we started really

1213
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: down that road with the fumble versus down by contact.

1214
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: If you ruled the runner down, you couldn't review that

1215
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 1: before because the play was over and then we said okay,

1216
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: and I was there, I'm guilty too much of this.

1217
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: You know, well, we could still review this even though

1218
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: we killed the play, as long as you know it's

1219
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: recovered in the immediate it reaction, Well, here's your first judgment.

1220
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: What's what's immediate reaction? And I think the more that

1221
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: we put judgment into replay, I think the further further

1222
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: we go, you know, complicator making our game harder to watch.

1223
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: And as often happens, and I get it, um, we

1224
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: tend to overreact to one play and I and I

1225
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: kind of feel a little bit here. It had to

1226
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: be corrected, it had something had to happen, but there

1227
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 1: was a better way. In my opinion, I'm with the

1228
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: coaches a bit. I wanted to go to the sky

1229
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: judge and you have to have that guy oh in

1230
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: a second. And I mean, and I'm I believe that

1231
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: I could have brought any any GM, any owner, any

1232
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: league person into my home office in Sacramento and in

1233
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: ten minutes convinced them that that was the way to go.

1234
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: I think they've missed an opportunity to do that. Here.

1235
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: We were talking last week about offensive pass interference. And

1236
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 1: you know how in a receiver is successful to creating separation.

1237
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: Very often that's offensive pass interference, but it's not call.

1238
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: In fact, we salute it, like, look how good that

1239
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: veteran receiver is and getting separation, getting some distance. Are

1240
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: they gonna well, I mean think about this, and they'll

1241
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: think about in the last this in the last two minutes. Now,

1242
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,520
Speaker 1: if you're a replay official and you see two guys

1243
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,360
Speaker 1: going downfield and they're doing this, yeah, you know, and

1244
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: and we might call it hand fighting, we might call

1245
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: it chicken fighting. We've called it a lot of different things.

1246
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:29,680
Speaker 1: But it's well, now do you stop this? You stop it?

1247
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: Because I can't tell if this is actually this right.

1248
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: And so if you're you're putting an incredible amount of

1249
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: pressure on the replay official, and I think a tremendous

1250
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: amount of pressure on Al Riveron in New York. Now,

1251
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:50,760
Speaker 1: it's it's just you do you take this away from

1252
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,200
Speaker 1: the art form, which I mean, I'm one that says

1253
01:01:54,200 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 1: that officiating needs to be more art than science. Um,

1254
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: do you take the art away of passing on a

1255
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: difficult call and not making it and then that that

1256
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: would have been acceptable? Now is it not going to

1257
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: be acceptable if challenged or looked at. It just it's

1258
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: a new standard that I hope they don't take because

1259
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 1: it won't work out well, I think. I think one

1260
01:02:17,160 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: of the things that's going to happen that's unforeseen, we

1261
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: don't know until they start doing it. These head coaches

1262
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: are gonna have these challenges, they're going to keep them

1263
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: in their pocket for the first half, and when something

1264
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: happens that's crucial in the second half, then they're you're

1265
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: gonna start seeing both coaches using all their challenges in

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Speaker 1: the third quarter because they don't want to get stuck

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01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter with it in the pocket, and

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: they've got to do it before the two minutes of

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01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter. So you're looking at the first thirteen

1270
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 1: minutes of the fourth quarter, the last couple of minutes

1271
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: of the third quarter being challenged central and the second

1272
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: half of that game is might just get extended because

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01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: both coaches will use all their challenges at a more

1274
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Speaker 1: crucial time of the game. And let's remember, though, the

1275
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick school of thought that says, let us challenge anything. Now,

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01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: we don't want more challenge, Well, yes you do, because

1277
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,400
Speaker 1: the way the system is set up right now, the

1278
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: replay official, he looks at all scoring plays, he looks

1279
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: at all turnovers, he looks now at all two point conversions,

1280
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 1: whether or not it turns out to be a score

1281
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:16,640
Speaker 1: or not. And so you know, the coach doesn't have

1282
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: to challenge very often. So last year was just coaches

1283
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 1: challenger barely over one per game. Okay, you open it

1284
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: up to these judgment calls, and now, yes, you're not

1285
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: giving them more challenges, but they're using more challenges. And

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01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: that's why I think we're gonna see games I hope not,

1287
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna see games that have are

1288
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: in twenty minute game or something, maybe six seven stoppages.

1289
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:42,080
Speaker 1: And do we want to really see that? I mean,

1290
01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: I think Roger Goodell has done a great job of

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01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: impressing upon the officials that he wants to cut the

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01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: dead time down so they get the ball set up quicker.

1293
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: You know, all of this stuff shortening the overall length

1294
01:03:54,560 --> 01:03:58,000
Speaker 1: of replay, and he's made great strides in this in

1295
01:03:58,040 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. But this one, now, to me,

1296
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: kind of just takes it the other direction. And I

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01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: know we'll see I hope I'm wrong which I often am.

1298
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: It wasn't the New Chi I was wrong. Mike Forrere's

1299
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: our guests. He is the former NFL Vice President of Officiating.

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01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: UM opening replay challenge up to non calls seems to

1301
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: me like a pretty important river to cross right non calls.

1302
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I think they had to because the

1303
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 1: two proposals that were going to the to the ownership

1304
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: both were only on calls that were made. So that

1305
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 1: didn't solve the New Orleans miss, and so I don't

1306
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: think it ever would problem. My problem with the New

1307
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: Orleans miss was, and I know, I'm fifty six, I've

1308
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: never seen a more egregious miss in a in a

1309
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,640
Speaker 1: more important moment. There might have been some, but I

1310
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: so you're talking about changing a policy that profound for

1311
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:56,440
Speaker 1: something happened to like once in my lifetime that we've

1312
01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: seen other miss I mean, that's how I got to

1313
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: replay in the first place. You see god things, but

1314
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: that one, you know, in the last couple of minutes

1315
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: of an NFC championship game, and it was a miss.

1316
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 1: It happened. It's happened once in you know, three decades,

1317
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: two decades, whatever, you pick the number. So now you're

1318
01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: gonna make this fundamental change for this one call. And

1319
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 1: I get New Orleans has got a beef. Nobody's saying

1320
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: they don't, and I get it. It's it's hard to take.

1321
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 1: But they can get in line. I mean, there's been

1322
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 1: team after team after team, year after year. I couldn't

1323
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,000
Speaker 1: agree with you more there, And at least it's a

1324
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 1: one year experiment. So this is not this is not

1325
01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: you know, not permanent at this point. You know, at

1326
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: the Alliance I'm working with the Alliance of American Football.

1327
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: We went the root of what the coaches were talking about,

1328
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 1: which was sky judge. And but the sky judge could

1329
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,800
Speaker 1: only correct it was obvious and egregious mistakes. It was

1330
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: really at the standard of the New Orleans play. And

1331
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: when it came to pass interference to the side judge

1332
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: could own. I mean, the sky judge could only get

1333
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 1: involved in the last five minutes of the fourth quarter.

1334
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: Now he could get involved at anytime during the game

1335
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: for a player's safety foul, for an illegal helmet shot.

1336
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: I remember when Kamara got hit last year, It just

1337
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: got killed in a game and it wasn't called UM.

1338
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: I liked the sky judge for that too, but you know,

1339
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: you had this safety net there. And it's interesting because,

1340
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: as you say, when it comes to making that judgment

1341
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: of what's egregious or obvious or even players safety. We

1342
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: now have concluded eight weeks of the Alliance season and

1343
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: the sky judges only had to be used once, but

1344
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 1: the safety net was there when it had to be used.

1345
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: And I think, I really, I really, I really wish

1346
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 1: that was They would have spent more time talking about

1347
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 1: that situation. Here's another rules proposal that is not hold. Now,

1348
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: I guess the overtime changes. What do you think of

1349
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: that changing the nature and of overtime in the possessions? Well,

1350
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I'm I actually liked the rule the

1351
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 1: way it was before. I I like sudden death being

1352
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 1: involved somehow, and and I think that's what the league

1353
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: always liked with sudden death. Now you're going to take

1354
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 1: sudden death out of the picture because in the first

1355
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: series you essentially aren't going to have a winner, even

1356
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: if you score a touchdown. I'm also a believer of

1357
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: defense is as important ass offense, and so therefore I

1358
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: think you got to play defense. And the other thing

1359
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: to me is if you're good enough to hold them

1360
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: on the defense. Then you get the advantage. I mean,

1361
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 1: you've got the advantage now because you know what you

1362
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: have to do. You could end up just having to

1363
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: kick a field goal to win it, or have to

1364
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 1: score a touchdown to you know, to tie the game.

1365
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: So I hate. I mean, I get the people didn't

1366
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,320
Speaker 1: like the Kansas City, New England you know result because

1367
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 1: Mahomes didn't get the chance to you know, to have

1368
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: a drive. But it was hard enough to get it

1369
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,959
Speaker 1: changed to where it is now to think that they'll

1370
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: take the extra step. Maybe, so since they tabled it

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 1: till May and wanted to talk to about it a

1372
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: little bit more, but I just don't want them to

1373
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: take sudden death out of them. My opinion about the

1374
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,960
Speaker 1: Chiefs New England Patriots game was the fact that everybody

1375
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: was mad because that game just didn't keep going. That

1376
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,599
Speaker 1: was a great game, and it's sad that they didn't

1377
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: get to see Mahomes one more time. Right, Okay, but

1378
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: the game was going to end at some point. Right.

1379
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 1: You can say, well, I wanted my team to win

1380
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,719
Speaker 1: or your team to win. But a lot of people,

1381
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: the casual fans who didn't have any skin in that game.

1382
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:29,760
Speaker 1: They just want to see more of the game. You

1383
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,599
Speaker 1: want to see Mahomes one more time, and that's why

1384
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 1: they were thinking, yeah, it'd be great. But for the

1385
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:39,160
Speaker 1: most part, come on, it's fine, That's what I say.

1386
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's fine. And you know,

1387
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: we've seen things come out of the May meeting and

1388
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,960
Speaker 1: you know it's happened, happened before. We've seen We've seen

1389
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: the league send the coaches out to play golf and

1390
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,439
Speaker 1: then take a little secret vote just to get the

1391
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: you know, overtime changed to where it is now. So

1392
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm the one that kind of helped them get out

1393
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 1: to the golf course. Does the league change rules too often?

1394
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: And what does this mean for the officials on the

1395
01:09:04,320 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 1: field when every year they have something else to adapt to,

1396
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 1: to change to. You know, so many of their changes

1397
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: you would never even know, you know. I mean they

1398
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: made a change this year about you know, the enforcement

1399
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: spot for a double foul. After a change, who cares?

1400
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: Who cares about that? Um? I'm I'm one of the

1401
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: ones that don't believe that the rules are too complicated.

1402
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're if you're an official, it works

1403
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,280
Speaker 1: in the NFL You've been reading the rulebook for thirty years,

1404
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 1: and so even though there's differences in college and high

1405
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: school in the NFL, you still know the basic premises

1406
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 1: of the rule. It's that's doesn't create problems. The problems

1407
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: are created by the increasing speed in the game. And also,

1408
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,360
Speaker 1: you know, players are getting bigger, and you know, and

1409
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:52,360
Speaker 1: I think officials, there's so many myths. You know, everybody

1410
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: says you need younger officials. You know, yet well, you

1411
01:09:55,880 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: know what officiating isn't a physical exercise. Officiating is a

1412
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: mental exercise. And so I want guys with good judgment.

1413
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I don't care if they're twenty and experience experience, And

1414
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: I think that I agree with you totally because for me,

1415
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 1: the officials, I mean, it is kind of an art form,

1416
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: no question about it. But I think the fact that

1417
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,639
Speaker 1: once you're in that and I've talked to you guys,

1418
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: and I was talking to this in the last segment,

1419
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: you see him in airports and stuff, you start to

1420
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: get in their mind. For you guys, when you say,

1421
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,679
Speaker 1: here we the spot of the foul after a double

1422
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: foul on a change over, that kind of thing, that

1423
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: all sounds very complicated and weird. But when you're on

1424
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 1: the field as an official, I think, yeah, that's way

1425
01:10:36,120 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: it should have been all the time. It's like a

1426
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: common sense thing. It's very complicated. And I was in

1427
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: the rules meeting, the kickoff summit last last May when

1428
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 1: they were going to change the kickoff rules and the

1429
01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: language was a big thing and they wanted to get

1430
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:51,080
Speaker 1: it right, and you know, Albert Riveron was there and

1431
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: they were gonna what that means. You know, they're the

1432
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: law of unintended consequences, you know, all that stuff. We've

1433
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: talked about a lot. But when you're in that thing,

1434
01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: even though the rules seem complicated, rule books thick and

1435
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 1: it's changing and evolving, for you guys, you move towards

1436
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 1: more common sense, more common sense because it may sound convoluted,

1437
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: but when you're out there acting through, it's like, yeah,

1438
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense, right am I Right? Oh, you're

1439
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Because you know when it's really hard is

1440
01:11:14,000 --> 01:11:17,000
Speaker 1: when the rule book is really complicated, is when you

1441
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 1: take your preseason rules tests at the clinic, because they

1442
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,639
Speaker 1: throw we throw everything in the book at you there,

1443
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,040
Speaker 1: including things that will never happen on the football field.

1444
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: So those are complicated. But of what happens on the

1445
01:11:27,479 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 1: football field. In terms of rules, it's simple, straightfor simple

1446
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: and quite frankly the one percent that's so confusing. I

1447
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: always said, just do whatever you want because nobody's going

1448
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 1: to know the difference anyways, you know, So that's perfect,

1449
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:43,080
Speaker 1: that's what fans want to hear. What it's really to me,

1450
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: that's always to say, it's not I think the the

1451
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: volume is a little bit heavy, and the way the

1452
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 1: book is written is, you know, there's been some movements

1453
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: to clean it up, a little bit of stolbustered in

1454
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:56,400
Speaker 1: the league office has done a tremendous job and that

1455
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: with a couple of the rules, But on the field,

1456
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: it's it's just not that kind. Yeah, you just do it?

1457
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: Do you think this is probably Joel Buzzard right, well,

1458
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,759
Speaker 1: a manute, It wasn't me to change that. It's uh,

1459
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: it's um. It's also like when you say, if you

1460
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: don't really know what to do, just do what you

1461
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,680
Speaker 1: think seems fair, and everybody's gonna say, oh, yeah, it

1462
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. And that's basically it. Right, do what do

1463
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: it seems fair in the moment, Do what seems fair

1464
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,840
Speaker 1: in the moment. And then the league also downgrade you,

1465
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: And how about for fans, for for television viewers. Why

1466
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: the proliferation of people doing what you started really with

1467
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: Blendino and with um um statour. Now, why do we

1468
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: need officials former officials explaining rules on television and regular

1469
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: everybody's god, well you probably you probably don't, but it

1470
01:12:40,120 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: pays better than being on the officials, so you know.

1471
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: So so it's all of a sudden everybody wants to

1472
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: do this, but I think it's good. And Fox started

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01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 1: it with me, and you know, it was David Hill

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01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,919
Speaker 1: that actually said to me, you know, we've hired ex players,

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01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: and we've hired ex coaches, and we've never thought about

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 1: hiring an ex official. And so that's how I got in.

1477
01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: And the intent for me was as really to educate

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01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:07,280
Speaker 1: their announcers, and I do that. We do that now

1479
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: still and this is like going to be my tenth

1480
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: season coming up with Fox. I do a weekly training

1481
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: tape that I sent out to the announcers and so

1482
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:19,920
Speaker 1: they can learn on an ongoing basis. And then, you know,

1483
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: they didn't know what they were going to do with

1484
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:23,840
Speaker 1: me and start you started the thing of the league.

1485
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: Send it out to announcers about you know, the weekly

1486
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,519
Speaker 1: officials tape right right, right right, And it's important because

1487
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,719
Speaker 1: I will admit I didn't. When I was on the field,

1488
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: I resented getting criticized by announcers who had never done

1489
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: it before, you know, And that was the problem, whether

1490
01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:45,920
Speaker 1: it was a Troy Aikman that was, you know, talking

1491
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: about a horrible call that was made. You know, it's

1492
01:13:48,479 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: hard for an official to take a guy who's never

1493
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: done it before and then see the play in slow

1494
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: motion and then beat you up, and that the media

1495
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: guy didn't know the rules. How'd you feel about players

1496
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,559
Speaker 1: taking up on the fielding. I never worried about players.

1497
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't even remember you, but then I wasn't. But

1498
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, the one thing I found out though, with

1499
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,240
Speaker 1: all you guys in the booth is um you wanted

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01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: to be right, but it wasn't. It was not fair

1501
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: to assume that you should have been right because you

1502
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:19,720
Speaker 1: weren't an official and so you don't know the rule book.

1503
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 1: And so that was my campaign that I started right

1504
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,440
Speaker 1: away with Fox and everybody going, including going to CBS seminars,

1505
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,679
Speaker 1: teach you the rules. And I think the fans deserve

1506
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: to know the proper rules. And that's that's where we

1507
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: came in. And and and I think it's been fairly

1508
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:41,599
Speaker 1: well accepted. And I think the officials like it because

1509
01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: the officials they don't mind as much when they're getting

1510
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 1: criticized by somebody who was in their shoes and who

1511
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: did it before. Right. And it's also good it raises

1512
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: the bottom of the bar, you know. I mean there's

1513
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: always this range where people what they know and what

1514
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 1: they don't. If you raise the bottom, that was more

1515
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: people know more about what means and the new one

1516
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,479
Speaker 1: you'll enjoy the game, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, And yeah, he'd

1517
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: be less frustration when you don't understand her, you think

1518
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: they're wrong, when actually he didn't know the rule. Right. Yeah.

1519
01:15:09,400 --> 01:15:12,799
Speaker 1: So battlefields the ball fields a golf tournament and anyone

1520
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: can play. It's open everyone. Oh yes, and we will

1521
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: have a fun time. We will have a fun time there.

1522
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 1: I promise. It's Monday, June seventeenth at Cobblestone Creek Country

1523
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:25,040
Speaker 1: Club in Rochester. A fundraiser. Well, yeah, to sponsor these

1524
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: former veterans who want to be officials, right to educate them.

1525
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: It has been great and we've had such great successes

1526
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: in some cases we we We have a guy, Jamison Pilgrim,

1527
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 1: who lives in Rochester who has had battles with PTSD

1528
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: and this kind of got him out of the house

1529
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:46,920
Speaker 1: and and he did his first season in football and

1530
01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:50,400
Speaker 1: he loved it. He absolutely loved it. And he's now

1531
01:15:50,439 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 1: working three sports him. So it's just the coolest thing.

1532
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 1: And when you when you hear stories like that, and

1533
01:15:56,840 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: Jamison will speak at the at the dinner that night. Um,

1534
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,360
Speaker 1: when you hear stuff like that, I mean, it makes

1535
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: you so happy that you're doing what you do. I mean,

1536
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: for all the you know, when it comes to saying

1537
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 1: what's past interference or what is not or what is

1538
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: a catch or what is not? Who cares? I mean

1539
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 1: in reality, having the opportunity to help people like this

1540
01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:21,440
Speaker 1: and getting them involved in their communities has been fantastic.

1541
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: So Battlefields two ballfields dot org. You can read about it,

1542
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 1: you can sign up and and it'll it will be.

1543
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:34,160
Speaker 1: It will be. I sometimes say it'll be a fun day.

1544
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,840
Speaker 1: It will be an emotional day. That's what it will be.

1545
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: And you'll support a you'll support our local vets here

1546
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 1: in Buffalo that are now officiating. Mike. Thanks great Sea,

1547
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: Thank you guys like Prayer, former vice president of officiating

1548
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:52,040
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Go to Battlefields two ballfields dot org

1549
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 1: for more information. Steve and I back when more One

1550
01:16:54,240 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 1: goes Live from One Goes Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio. Yeah,

1551
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: good stuff, good stuff. My Prayer was on with us

1552
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: from the top of the air down at the bottom

1553
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:15,800
Speaker 1: of the hour, talking about the rule changes officiating his

1554
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:20,760
Speaker 1: golf tournament. Battlefields to ball fields. Yeah, um, great guy.

1555
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:22,840
Speaker 1: Then we reminisced about the time he threw me out

1556
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 1: of my last game, and it was him, he was

1557
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: the guy that threw me out. And then Mike Perere.

1558
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 1: I Mike Carry who's a CBS guy for a minute

1559
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, he's the guy actually with

1560
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 1: the white hat and threw me out. So the two

1561
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:46,640
Speaker 1: of those guys, you suddenly you're ready to plead your

1562
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: case that you shouldn't have been thrown out. No, I

1563
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: deserved it. And I told him too, I said, I

1564
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:52,400
Speaker 1: was only two years later, maybe one of the all

1565
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,760
Speaker 1: time worst official abusers. I told you too, I was

1566
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,600
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of bummed me out when I

1567
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:03,320
Speaker 1: think back about it. My favorite thing was I used

1568
01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 1: to come off the field and I would yell. You know,

1569
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 1: you never yell at the official. You yell to your

1570
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:13,360
Speaker 1: teammate or your coach about the official when the officials

1571
01:18:13,400 --> 01:18:17,160
Speaker 1: standing nearby, so he can hear you see what I'm saying. Yeah,

1572
01:18:17,200 --> 01:18:19,040
Speaker 1: so you can't really he can't really get after me

1573
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,920
Speaker 1: for talking to him because I'm not talking to him.

1574
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking to this guy. You're not invited this conversation that. Hey,

1575
01:18:27,160 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: it took me thirteen years. You get thrown out once,

1576
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: which I probably deserved it way more than I got it.

1577
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 1: But I used to say, listen, they're twenty two. I say,

1578
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:37,880
Speaker 1: I'm so a coach, so frustrating because there are twenty

1579
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 1: two professionals out here. None of them are wearing stripes,

1580
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: and yeah, just anything you can think of, and I listen,

1581
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: there was nothing that you know, And there's the they

1582
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: always say that the magic word in baseball umpires you

1583
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,559
Speaker 1: can get thrown out here. There was none of that.

1584
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: In football. You can say, oh yeah, there was no limits,

1585
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 1: no limits as thick skin. They had too because it

1586
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: was an emotional game. And listen, I came in the league,

1587
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: it was the steroid era, and that those guys are

1588
01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: just snap and he just had to be ready for it. Yeah, yeah,

1589
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,360
Speaker 1: so that those guys were. Those guys were unbelievably disciplined

1590
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:17,880
Speaker 1: and well mannered, and it's amazing how they put up

1591
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: with what they put up with. You know what I

1592
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: like hearing from Mike Pereira was his reservations, his concerns

1593
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: about the new replay rule, the instant replay rule, and

1594
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: its use for past interference and even non calls. Pretty

1595
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,439
Speaker 1: much exactly what you and I said last week. At least.

1596
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're kind of about an outpost here in

1597
01:19:34,280 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 1: Buffalo Archard Parker, New York, and yet a guy who's

1598
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 1: been involved and officiated in the league for decades worries

1599
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: about the same stuff we talked about. Right, what do

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01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 1: you do with hail Mary's what do you do with

1601
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: the offensive past interference? You know, how's this going to work?

1602
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,800
Speaker 1: And the level of training that these replay officials in

1603
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: stadium and even the guys in New York, they're going

1604
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: to require new training. I think that Blandino told us

1605
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,640
Speaker 1: that last week. Right, you know this as well as

1606
01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: I do. Those guys that are up in the booth

1607
01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: in the NFL stadiums. Here's the thing you get this

1608
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:03,599
Speaker 1: idea that the guy in the up in the booth,

1609
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: in a stadium and every given location is an important,

1610
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:11,440
Speaker 1: well trained official that has some judgment and some experience

1611
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: doing this. That's no, that's a big, fat no. Those

1612
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: guys are facilitators between the official on the field and

1613
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: New York. Yeah, they're not making any call. They're not

1614
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: making any calls. They are deciding what should be reviewed. Yeah,

1615
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,719
Speaker 1: they've called it right. They kind of decide not about

1616
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,559
Speaker 1: the call itself. They decide how close something is right,

1617
01:20:32,600 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 1: and then they go to it and that's where their

1618
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: jurisdiction stops. And then they're kind of communicating like, hey,

1619
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,280
Speaker 1: we need this angle that angle that, and that's about it.

1620
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: So it's not like all of the league has in

1621
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: place all these guys that are absolutely positively qualified to

1622
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 1: make sure you know, all this stuff goes well and say,

1623
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no no, this is not you're not right, right.

1624
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: They not, for the most part, not all of them.

1625
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:56,960
Speaker 1: It's going to be a question mark as to how

1626
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: this is going to go down, on what it's going

1627
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: to look like now. And I told you too, it's

1628
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:04,000
Speaker 1: gonna make sure these coaches are not gonna ever not

1629
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: that they do now, but they're never gonna waste a challenge.

1630
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:10,639
Speaker 1: And not only are they're not gonna waste them, they're

1631
01:21:10,640 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: not gonna not use them. Every challenge now will be

1632
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:19,640
Speaker 1: used every week without question, without question. Really, why do

1633
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 1: you say that because they feel like they can get it?

1634
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:25,760
Speaker 1: Why why would you hold it? Why do you hold

1635
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: it now? I don't know. I don't know why they

1636
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: do it now. There should be they should I don't know.

1637
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 1: They're wrong most of the time. We discover that last

1638
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,680
Speaker 1: week in our discussion. Most that's not play challenges have

1639
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: been wrong from coaches over the years. Mike. We thank

1640
01:21:42,720 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: Mike Peyre for joining us. He was here to talk

1641
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: about Battlefields to ball Fields. You can find out more

1642
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:50,879
Speaker 1: about that golf tournament at Cobblestone Creek Country Club in Rochester.

1643
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,880
Speaker 1: It is Monday, June seventeen. Really good fundraiser for a

1644
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: really worthy cause, Battlefields a number two ball Fields Invitational

1645
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 1: golf Tournament. Thanks to Mike pereyre back to our topic

1646
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:03,280
Speaker 1: of the day. We are April first. We are three

1647
01:22:03,320 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: and a half weeks away from Day one of the

1648
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 1: NFL Draft, and we want to hear from you. What

1649
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 1: was the best Bill's first round draft pick in team history.

1650
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,479
Speaker 1: We're doing it on Twitter and on Twitter poll. So

1651
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 1: far we got a dead heat. Now, Steve, this evened

1652
01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,840
Speaker 1: up pretty quickly with thirty five hundred votes in which

1653
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: is a ton I wonder why? Thirty four eight sixty

1654
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,679
Speaker 1: or thirty four to sixty nine votes and forty two

1655
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:26,960
Speaker 1: percent of you say that Jim Kelly was the best

1656
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: first round draft pick in Bill's history. Forty two percent

1657
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: of you say Bruce Smith is the best first round

1658
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,479
Speaker 1: draft pick in Bill's history. Thirteen percent say O j Simpson,

1659
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 1: three percent have somebody else in mind? What do you think?

1660
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 1: Give us a call? Eight oh three oh five fifty

1661
01:22:40,120 --> 01:22:43,720
Speaker 1: or twelve three one eight eight eight five fifty two

1662
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: five fifty. I'm that closed up quickly. What was it

1663
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,120
Speaker 1: fifty one to thirty eight or something. When we first

1664
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:50,720
Speaker 1: started show an hour and a half ago, it was

1665
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 1: a big lead by Bruce Smith. It went away on

1666
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,240
Speaker 1: the tweet sheet. We got a lot of responses to

1667
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: this as well. It's crazy sipping the kool a tweets

1668
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: this in I vote for Bruce, But if you take

1669
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: into consideration how much Jim Kelly still impacts the Buffalo bills.

1670
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,000
Speaker 1: Even today, I think the gap closes. I'm curious to

1671
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:10,080
Speaker 1: know what kind of impact Jim has had on Josh Allen.

1672
01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:12,280
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear their conversations. I see a lot

1673
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 1: of Jim in Josh. Okay, I don't know what kind

1674
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: of impact Jim might have on Josh. Jess gets a

1675
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of feedback from coaching staff. He's got a quarterback

1676
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:23,679
Speaker 1: guru out west, right. I don't know how much impact

1677
01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:27,000
Speaker 1: Jim hands on Josh. Yeah, I don't either, I mean,

1678
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 1: other than the fact that it maybe a little bit inspiring.

1679
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:33,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, the game change has changed a lot since

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01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:36,160
Speaker 1: Jim played. I can we always talk about it. The

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are much more protected than they were in the

1682
01:23:38,280 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 1: day you go back. I mean, I don't know how

1683
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: many of you get a chance to do this, but

1684
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 1: every so often you'll go on the NFL network and

1685
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: they'll have these old clips and they'll start showing what

1686
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 1: the game was like in the nineteen seventies. I don't

1687
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: know how they survived it hits Oh my gosh, it's

1688
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:59,759
Speaker 1: it was brutal. It was brutal. You got guys getting

1689
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:04,559
Speaker 1: cloth was lined in the pocket, face mask, just all

1690
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:08,240
Speaker 1: kinds of just brutal play that just doesn't happen now.

1691
01:24:08,280 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: It's not allowed. And if you want to see how

1692
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: far the game has come in that respect, go back

1693
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 1: and look at some of that, because it's it's shocking

1694
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:22,559
Speaker 1: even for me, and it was was it started, I

1695
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:25,280
Speaker 1: guess a little bit during my career, but it really

1696
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: didn't take hold until the late nineties, early two thousands

1697
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,280
Speaker 1: when they really started to enforce this. Yet now and

1698
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 1: now you can't land on a quarterback, you can't hit

1699
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: them low coming in on the pocket, you know, so

1700
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,240
Speaker 1: they started to clean it up, but man, oh man

1701
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: quarterbacks back in the day, and it was it's no

1702
01:24:41,640 --> 01:24:44,640
Speaker 1: wonder that guys, you know, team struggled to throw the

1703
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: football because of the brutality of the guy standing in

1704
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,320
Speaker 1: the pocket. What he accepted is, you know, after he

1705
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: threw the football a little while ago on this show

1706
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 1: a couple of years actually, we had an author on

1707
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 1: who wrote a book. His name is Kevin Cook, and

1708
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 1: his book was The Last Headbangers NFL Football and the Rowdy,

1709
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: Wreckless Se And he's the era that created modern sports.

1710
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 1: And it's a really good premise and a really good

1711
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:07,040
Speaker 1: book about exactly what you talked about and his premise,

1712
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,599
Speaker 1: Kevin Cook, and we had him on the show back.

1713
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, I want to say it was four or

1714
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: five years ago at least. He said, Look, this is

1715
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:16,440
Speaker 1: the era that made football so popular on TV. The headbanging,

1716
01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: the rowdy, reckless nineteen seventies. I think it was. It's

1717
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 1: pretty compelling argument. That's why. I mean, that's when I

1718
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:24,680
Speaker 1: guess I watched in the sixties two, but not really

1719
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,360
Speaker 1: until the yearly seventies when I was old enough to

1720
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: kind of appreciate what was going on. But yeah, yeah,

1721
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 1: it was crazy back. It was back as my formative years.

1722
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 1: I was born in was sixty two, so you know,

1723
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:36,439
Speaker 1: due through the seventies. I was a teenager growing up.

1724
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: We sat in front of the TV and watched it.

1725
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: You know, all the Stabler and the Raiders teams and

1726
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,120
Speaker 1: the chief rivalry. You go back and look at some

1727
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 1: of the games between the Raiders and the Chiefs and

1728
01:25:45,080 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: they trumpet it. Now it's this big rivalry is tough. Listen,

1729
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 1: you had no idea what it was like. And say,

1730
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 1: you go back and watch Ted Hendricks and those guys

1731
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: going after Lenny Dawson and Spearing guys when they're on

1732
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 1: the ground and big brawls busting out on the sidelines.

1733
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm it was. It was unbelievable. And you know, that's

1734
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,479
Speaker 1: why at first, and it's crazy to say, that's why

1735
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:09,880
Speaker 1: the game became popular because it was so physical, and

1736
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:11,640
Speaker 1: it was on your TV and you could tune in

1737
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: and you had, you know, these these finesse plays and

1738
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: these beautiful long plays and the and the mixed in

1739
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:20,720
Speaker 1: with the brutality of it. It was, you know, it

1740
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 1: was compelling to watch and no replay and no replay

1741
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:27,600
Speaker 1: got along and no replay and even then even the

1742
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 1: replay on TV was rudimentary, right, they'd have like one

1743
01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: angle or officiating, no officiating replays, even the replays, it

1744
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: was yeah, he got by without it, and there was

1745
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:40,200
Speaker 1: just so much more that was accepted as part of it.

1746
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Back then, it was a different time. And to go

1747
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: back and relive that and then to look at the

1748
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: game today and it's it seems so clean and so

1749
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 1: space age and so modern. Um. It really is a

1750
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: different game to be played now than it was back

1751
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 1: in the It wasn't perfect then and now with all

1752
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: kinds to replay and more replay coming, it's not perfect.

1753
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 1: Now it's not perfectly officiated. There are holes in it.

1754
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,360
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna take a break. Who is the

1755
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: best first round draft pick in Bill's history? You want

1756
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:10,160
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on that. Give us a call

1757
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 1: or tweeted in vote in the Twitter poll. Steve and

1758
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 1: I coming back. One Bill's Live from One Bill's Drive

1759
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:23,559
Speaker 1: on Buffalo Bill's Radio One Goales Live. Come here from

1760
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 1: One Bill Drive, Dummer. You see cancer in our one

1761
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:30,920
Speaker 1: Buffalo studio on this Monday, April one, And we're getting

1762
01:27:30,920 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 1: any other ones here? We had one good best today.

1763
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 1: We had Mike Carrera and Dave on the line from Florida.

1764
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 1: Kind of a follow up to that day. What you got? Yeah,

1765
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm Mike jad and Steve. You had the mind here.

1766
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: Why didn't you ask go about the full time referees. Yeah,

1767
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 1: that's a good point. That's a good point. You know

1768
01:27:48,040 --> 01:27:49,840
Speaker 1: what that got bias? I wish I would have Dave.

1769
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,880
Speaker 1: I bet he would have been in favor. Yes, you

1770
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:54,759
Speaker 1: think you would have been a favor Just who lusched

1771
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 1: the automation? All this replaying, all this junk they're talking about. Yeah,

1772
01:27:58,800 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: I think education is the best way to go, you right,

1773
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:03,719
Speaker 1: I agree, and I think he would agree as well.

1774
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:10,600
Speaker 1: And catch him on the way out the door. He's gone. None. Yeah,

1775
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 1: it's meeting with somebody else. He's setting up this golfing.

1776
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good deal. I wish I could go.

1777
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,160
Speaker 1: I think it will be a really nice event over there.

1778
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: Cobblestone set up for that guy. Like a lot of these,

1779
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: it's a newer course, although it's been around for maybe

1780
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,719
Speaker 1: twenty years now. It was built I think in the nineties,

1781
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's a nice facility. Yeah, no, I have

1782
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: as it's built for these kind of charity functions, so

1783
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 1: it'll be good. Thanks, good point. Never thought about well,

1784
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, I thought we kept him too long and

1785
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,280
Speaker 1: we got done. You said we should have kept him long. Yeah,

1786
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: I wish I wish she was still here the place

1787
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 1: to go. Right, Hey, we're coming back for the third

1788
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,479
Speaker 1: and final hour of the show. More on our topic

1789
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 1: of the day, What are the best What was the

1790
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: best Bill's first round draft pick in team history? On Twitter,

1791
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:53,880
Speaker 1: we gave you three names, Bruce Smith, Jim Kelly, o

1792
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: J Simpson or other, but we'll take anybody. We'll take

1793
01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: any of your nominations. We got phone calls teed up.

1794
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: Get to those when we come back. Who was the

1795
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:04,000
Speaker 1: best Bills first round draft pick in team history? That? What? Right?

1796
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: It's who's person? Let's know who you think? Right it is?

1797
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: It's what was the best? Yes? Yes? Who was the best?

1798
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 1: Who was the Bills first round who? Yeah? Yeah? That

1799
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,680
Speaker 1: coming up when we return for our number three one

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01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: Bills Live presented by Kalida Health from One Bills Drive.

1801
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:29,120
Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bills Radio Bufalo Bills Radio Network Stories update.

1802
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: The update from One Bills Drive. Around the NFL, at

1803
01:29:32,280 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: least three teams, and in fact three teams exactly, have

1804
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: begun their offseason conditioning program workout programs. Eight teams made

1805
01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:42,639
Speaker 1: changes in their coaching staffs this season. All of those

1806
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: eight eligible to begin offseason workouts today, and only three

1807
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,559
Speaker 1: of them, Cleveland, Miami and Tampa Bay opened their door today.

1808
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:51,479
Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos start There's tomorrow. The Cardinals, the Bengals,

1809
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: the Packers and the Jets begin their workouts next week,

1810
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: and the rest of the clubs, including the Buffalo Bills,

1811
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 1: can start the voluntary offseason conditioning program in two weeks. Monday,

1812
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 1: April fifteen, the Raiders holding private workout with quarterback Kyler Murray,

1813
01:30:04,640 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 1: the potential first overall pick in the draft three and

1814
01:30:07,200 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 1: a half weeks away. The Raiders working out Murray shouldn't

1815
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: come as a surprise. They like the quarterbacks. John Gruden

1816
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 1: does out in Oakland and he's working out Kyler Murray today.

1817
01:30:17,680 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 1: Alabama defensive tackle Quinn and Williams will visit the forty

1818
01:30:20,640 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: nine ers tomorrow and meet with the Raiders on Wednesday.

1819
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 1: According to NFL dot Com, Cardinals, who do have the

1820
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 1: first overall pick, adding a twist to the lead up

1821
01:30:28,360 --> 01:30:31,240
Speaker 1: to next month's draft, they spend Friday night adding dinner

1822
01:30:31,280 --> 01:30:34,600
Speaker 1: with the Ohio State defensive end Nick Bosa in Fort Lauderdale.

1823
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,000
Speaker 1: There's been months of chatter linking the Cardinals to Kyler Murray,

1824
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: but Friday's dinner shows Arizona still has a decision to

1825
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: make on where to go with their first overall pick.

1826
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 1: The Final four is set now. It happened on the weekend.

1827
01:30:48,160 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Auburn this Saturday will play Virginia in the first game

1828
01:30:50,760 --> 01:30:53,000
Speaker 1: of the Final four six on nine PM at the

1829
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:56,439
Speaker 1: Men's Final Four in Minneapolis, Minnesota. The second Final four

1830
01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: matchup Texas Tech and Michigan state. Also in Minnesota, the

1831
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,479
Speaker 1: Savers now have been shut out five times in their

1832
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:05,200
Speaker 1: last twelve games. They've got three wins in their last

1833
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: twenty three. Last night shut out by Columbus four to

1834
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 1: nothing at key Bank Center. They outshot Columbus thirty eight

1835
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: thirty six. Buffalo tries again tomorrow home game against the

1836
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,800
Speaker 1: Nashville Predators seven o'clock face off. The home portion of

1837
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,960
Speaker 1: the schedule wraps up Thursday night against Ottawa. That his

1838
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: fan appreciation night at Tea Bank Center. And that's the

1839
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: update from one day's drive. John Murphy and Steve Tasker

1840
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: here until three and one more hour. Togo is Steve.

1841
01:31:28,160 --> 01:31:30,559
Speaker 1: This was on the update earlier. Michael Irban announced last

1842
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:33,120
Speaker 1: night that the test that he underwent fourth throat cancer

1843
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,360
Speaker 1: came back one clean. He spent two days in a

1844
01:31:36,360 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: hospital undergoing tests. You express your concern and your best

1845
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,640
Speaker 1: wishes to Michael, and I'm sure you're happy to know

1846
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 1: it was. I actually retweeted that news last night when

1847
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:46,160
Speaker 1: I first heard about it. I was happy to hear

1848
01:31:46,200 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of people relieved. He's and

1849
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 1: as he's heard me say the other day, his father.

1850
01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: He lost his father at a young age to the

1851
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: same disease. They suspected he had the same type of cancer,

1852
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: and he was always you know, you always kind of

1853
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,519
Speaker 1: think that when you go to the dot, they always

1854
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:02,479
Speaker 1: say you if it's a family history thing, you're up

1855
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: against it. But he came out clean and good for him.

1856
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Good for him. Yeah, I'm abby to hear it. Our

1857
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Twitter poll to Egg deals with draft history, Bills draft history.

1858
01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 1: We know we got a lot of Bills fans and

1859
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 1: Bills history fans in the audience. So who was the

1860
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,880
Speaker 1: best Bill's first round pick? Enfranchise history on Twitter? We

1861
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:21,720
Speaker 1: offer you three suggestions. Forty three percent of you say

1862
01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 1: it was Jim Kelly back in nineteen eighty three, first

1863
01:32:24,439 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 1: round pick. We didn't play for a couple of years.

1864
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 1: Forty two percent of you say it was Bruce Smith

1865
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty five first round draft pick. And thirteen percent

1866
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:35,160
Speaker 1: of you say it was O. J. Simpson nineteen nineteen

1867
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:38,000
Speaker 1: sixty nine draft pick. Two percent of somebody else in mind.

1868
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 1: It started out with Bruce Smith the leader on our

1869
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: Twitter poll, and now it's become Jim Kelly. We got

1870
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:46,160
Speaker 1: thirty seven hundred votes on Twitter. We're approaching a record

1871
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 1: on that Steve, which is very interesting. Bruce took off

1872
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: like a bullet right at the beginning. He was away

1873
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:53,840
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the vote and Jim was down to

1874
01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:56,360
Speaker 1: like thirty six percent or something like that. Yeah, and

1875
01:32:56,400 --> 01:32:59,639
Speaker 1: now it's a dead heat. So that good for them.

1876
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: Bill's first round draft pick? Who was the best in history?

1877
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:04,680
Speaker 1: Gary on the line from Long Island, Gary, what do

1878
01:33:04,720 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you think? Oh, I have to go with Bruce, And

1879
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: my reasoning would be they didn't even take Jim Kelly

1880
01:33:10,680 --> 01:33:16,960
Speaker 1: with their first pick in that first Hunter, I go Bruce. Yeah, yeah,

1881
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:19,439
Speaker 1: we talked about that. Tony Hunter was the first pick

1882
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:23,120
Speaker 1: that that year, number twelve. Yeah. Yeah, and he was

1883
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: a couple ahead of Jim. I don't know if that.

1884
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: I guess we're looking at You can vote that way

1885
01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:29,439
Speaker 1: if you want. I would say we're looking at who

1886
01:33:29,560 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: was the first kind of based on what they did

1887
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:34,320
Speaker 1: in their career. And Kelly, although we took a couple

1888
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,559
Speaker 1: of years to get with the Buffalo Bills, I don't

1889
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:38,840
Speaker 1: think that the fact that Tony Hunter was drafted ahead

1890
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: of him had any impact at all in the way

1891
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:43,720
Speaker 1: Kelly's career went. Steve, any thought, did you play with

1892
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 1: Tony Hunter? Was he about? Yeah he was. He was

1893
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: not here when I got here. And in fact, you know,

1894
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,160
Speaker 1: you go back over this list and I've got him

1895
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: all the way back to nineteen sixty seven. There has

1896
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:57,200
Speaker 1: been one, two, three, three times over that course where

1897
01:33:57,200 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 1: the Bills had the number one overall pick, and the

1898
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:02,920
Speaker 1: one that kind of stands out for the ineptitude of

1899
01:34:03,040 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 1: the pick was Tom Kuzino, which never, he wouldn't he

1900
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't play, didn't, he wouldn't play. Walt Potulski? Was he

1901
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:14,960
Speaker 1: the first overall? He was not the first toory? No,

1902
01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,120
Speaker 1: he was, Yes, he was. You're right, Walt Patulski, defensive

1903
01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:22,800
Speaker 1: end out of out of Notre Dame. Yah. So there's

1904
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 1: been four times when the club had the first overall pick,

1905
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 1: and uh, Bruce Smith by far and away of that crew. Uh, well,

1906
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,439
Speaker 1: not far and away because OJ was in that that

1907
01:34:34,479 --> 01:34:36,600
Speaker 1: crew as well. So they got it right on at

1908
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:39,599
Speaker 1: least a couple of those on the football field. Um,

1909
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: what do you think it was the Bill's best first

1910
01:34:42,200 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: round draft pick in history? Dan on the line from Youngstone, Hello, Dan,

1911
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're on the air with this. Hey, good afternoon, guys.

1912
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:52,439
Speaker 1: To be on the show. I usually listen to you

1913
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 1: in the evenings on the podcast. So excellent. I appreciate

1914
01:34:56,320 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: all the all the good conversation you have so many times.

1915
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 1: I if you're like man, I ought to call in,

1916
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 1: but I'm listening after you guys are already off the air. Yeah, great, Dan,

1917
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: thanks thanks for listening. Thanks for listening. Yeah. Well, as

1918
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,160
Speaker 1: far as this argument, I guess it depends on how

1919
01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:14,639
Speaker 1: you look at it. You know, I would say that

1920
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:20,559
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith is probably in the top four of players

1921
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,599
Speaker 1: at his position ever to play the game. And I'd

1922
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,400
Speaker 1: probably put oj and maybe the top six or so

1923
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,960
Speaker 1: at his position. I don't put Jim that high. But

1924
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:34,920
Speaker 1: if you look at it in terms of the impact

1925
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: on the franchise, I think out of the three of them,

1926
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: you know, Jim Kelly has had a bigger impact. Well

1927
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: that's some really good points. Here a question for you, Dan,

1928
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,679
Speaker 1: where would you put Kelly in terms of top all

1929
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:50,240
Speaker 1: time NFL quarterbacks top twenty. I'd put him in the

1930
01:35:50,240 --> 01:35:54,800
Speaker 1: top fifteen fifty. Yeah, okay, yeah, I can. I think

1931
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 1: you make a good point though about impact on the franchise. Yeah,

1932
01:35:57,439 --> 01:36:01,160
Speaker 1: and probably you're right, And that's you go back to

1933
01:36:01,160 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the teams that those guys played on. Bruce and Jim

1934
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: were you know, go back and forth that they were

1935
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:09,640
Speaker 1: on the same team together, and that's a team that

1936
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 1: was really highly successful. Although they never won at all,

1937
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 1: that was a team that dominated for a number of years,

1938
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:19,680
Speaker 1: and I think in large measure because of both of them.

1939
01:36:21,400 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 1: You know, certainly Jim had some notoriety because of the

1940
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:25,400
Speaker 1: kind of offensive the Bills ran. It was a little

1941
01:36:25,439 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: bit different than everybody else. It was unique and it

1942
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 1: has not been duplicated in the manner in which the

1943
01:36:31,439 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: Bills did it back in the day, So it kind

1944
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: of stands by itself. But then again, you look at Bruce,

1945
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:42,680
Speaker 1: he stands by himself. Two hundred sacks by far and

1946
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: away the most in the league history, and was dominant

1947
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:49,400
Speaker 1: and played all four downs, so he was a dominant

1948
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:53,519
Speaker 1: defender in his own right. So for all of those reasons,

1949
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 1: you're right, Jim. Jim was a little larger than life figure,

1950
01:36:56,240 --> 01:37:00,600
Speaker 1: public figure, and still is more so than Bruce ever was.

1951
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: So that kind of tilts the field for you know,

1952
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 1: fan perception in Jim's favor, because you know, everybody knows

1953
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: and loves and sees him all the time. So yeah,

1954
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:11,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot, a lot of nuance to this when

1955
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: you talk about Jim and Bruce as to which one

1956
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: was more important, certainly one wasn't as good without the other.

1957
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 1: You can make that argument as well. Thanks very much

1958
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 1: for your call, Dan. They'll take a call here on

1959
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: this topic. We'll go to Jim in Williamsville. Hello, Jim,

1960
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. Hey, thanks for having me. Yeah,

1961
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, I guess this is somewhat repetitive to the

1962
01:37:34,439 --> 01:37:36,760
Speaker 1: last call, but you know, it's an interesting question the

1963
01:37:36,800 --> 01:37:39,519
Speaker 1: way you ask it, and also, frankly, it's a it's

1964
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,639
Speaker 1: a difficult question the way you ask it. If you're

1965
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:47,160
Speaker 1: talking dominant, I don't think there's any question it's Bruce Smith.

1966
01:37:47,240 --> 01:37:51,519
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a dominant football player. He could

1967
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:54,640
Speaker 1: wreak havoc to an offensive line, to a quarterback, he

1968
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:57,799
Speaker 1: could change the impact of a game in an instant

1969
01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I suppose you could. Probably if

1970
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:04,240
Speaker 1: you're looking at dominance, you're probably gonna put O J.

1971
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:09,519
Speaker 1: Simpson as a second. If not, you know, arguably you know,

1972
01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: in the same category. But you know, I agree with

1973
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,600
Speaker 1: the last color. I mean, Kelly on the list of quarterbacks,

1974
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe he doesn't, you know, make the

1975
01:38:19,640 --> 01:38:22,640
Speaker 1: top fifteen, top twenty. I don't know, but I tell

1976
01:38:22,680 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 1: you what he did have. He had two things. He

1977
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: had a belief in himself that was really second to none.

1978
01:38:30,360 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 1: I saw him throw two three interceptions and a half.

1979
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:36,320
Speaker 1: He'd still be clapping his hands, cheering on his teammates,

1980
01:38:36,360 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 1: thinking that there's you know, that there's no way they're

1981
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,120
Speaker 1: gonna let this game slip by, and that they're gonna

1982
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: come back. And secondly, what he had was toughness. And

1983
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:49,920
Speaker 1: Steve alluded to this earlier, how the game has changed.

1984
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I never saw a guy take hits like

1985
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 1: him and get off, get off the turf as quickly

1986
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 1: as he did. So he had those two things in spades. Uh.

1987
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 1: Certainly the way you ask it, it's tough, but you know,

1988
01:39:01,160 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 1: I think it's more of a dominance question. And actually

1989
01:39:03,680 --> 01:39:06,840
Speaker 1: Bruce Smith wins. Anyway, Thanks guys, Yeah, I agree with

1990
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 1: all that. Jim, that's that's all really good observations. We

1991
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: also have some others saying and you got to think too,

1992
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: most of the people listening to us today, either on

1993
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,639
Speaker 1: MSG or on the radio, didn't see OJ play. Um,

1994
01:39:17,960 --> 01:39:20,160
Speaker 1: there's a good number of people that are that are

1995
01:39:20,200 --> 01:39:22,280
Speaker 1: just not old enough to have remembered. Certainly, you always

1996
01:39:22,280 --> 01:39:25,040
Speaker 1: see the highlights and stuff he didn't experience at firsthand.

1997
01:39:25,080 --> 01:39:26,880
Speaker 1: You don't know what it was like to sit in

1998
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: the stadium before after OJ played and then to know

1999
01:39:31,200 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 1: the effect that he had. Similar to young people now

2000
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:39,600
Speaker 1: who were born after ninety five, ninety six, uh, you

2001
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:43,240
Speaker 1: know almost you know, twenty a little over twenty years ago,

2002
01:39:43,280 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 1: twenty five years ago, you're just not familiar with seeing

2003
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:48,800
Speaker 1: how those guys played and how the effect they had

2004
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 1: on the fans around the field and on the game

2005
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: day and uh home games, away games. Just didn't see

2006
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 1: him dominated. So there's a lot of this that you

2007
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: kind of take by reputation and what you've been told

2008
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:01,400
Speaker 1: by other people, and then you look and you know,

2009
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,800
Speaker 1: some of you obviously have done some research as well

2010
01:40:03,920 --> 01:40:06,720
Speaker 1: some of these the numbers these guys put up and

2011
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: the careers they had, So there's a little bit of

2012
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,400
Speaker 1: that in it as well. Is your personal experience and

2013
01:40:11,479 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: what your apparent opinions are, and they're all colored by

2014
01:40:14,479 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 1: your perception and the time you've spent in each of

2015
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,520
Speaker 1: those eras, studying them or living through them. Yeah. Absolutely.

2016
01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:22,680
Speaker 1: That's why we take a lot of calls and read

2017
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,759
Speaker 1: the tweet sheets. It's really interesting to see hear people's

2018
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,840
Speaker 1: takes because there a lot of them are really well

2019
01:40:27,880 --> 01:40:32,759
Speaker 1: thought out. And is it dominance at your own position

2020
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,120
Speaker 1: or is it overall effect on the team. Is it

2021
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,599
Speaker 1: what the team did when you got there, or how

2022
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:39,800
Speaker 1: the team was perceived when you were there? A lot

2023
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:41,280
Speaker 1: of it, A lot of ways to go with it.

2024
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 1: J W. Sachs tweets this, and on the tweet sheet

2025
01:40:44,160 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: we asked the question who is the best Bill's first

2026
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: round pick in history? JW. Sach says, this is a

2027
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,840
Speaker 1: tough one. Good I've seen them all play, leading the

2028
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 1: team to four AFC championships. It has to be Jim Kelly,

2029
01:40:56,040 --> 01:41:00,360
Speaker 1: but Bruce was amazing and he deserves serious consideration. Is

2030
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the best oj was the Buffalo Bills in those years?

2031
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: He was so fast and just needed increase to get going.

2032
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 1: And I think JW. Sox answered our question other than

2033
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: saying this is a tough one, it was tough. It

2034
01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 1: certainly was j W. Sox. Marty Rogers tweets this in

2035
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 1: in response, who was the Bill's best first round pick

2036
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,439
Speaker 1: in history? Marty Rogers says, tough call, but I feel

2037
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:22,840
Speaker 1: like ours has to be Jim. He may not have

2038
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:24,719
Speaker 1: been the best on the field when you consider Bruce

2039
01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:27,120
Speaker 1: and Oj, but when you include his off the field

2040
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: contributions and his toughness and determination, he represents Buffalo as

2041
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:35,200
Speaker 1: well as any Are we allowing off field contributions there?

2042
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: You go? I mean that's well, it is important, and

2043
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,080
Speaker 1: if it's important to the Buffalo Bills, it's important to

2044
01:41:41,120 --> 01:41:43,000
Speaker 1: the fabric of the team and how it's perceived in

2045
01:41:43,320 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: a community, right, I mean, it all gets thrown into it. Okay,

2046
01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well, I

2047
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,479
Speaker 1: wasn't thinking about off the field condo. To get a

2048
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,920
Speaker 1: ruling on that from our esteemed panel in the control room,

2049
01:41:56,479 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: they got plenty of rulings, They got opinions, opinions growing

2050
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 1: as do we. But it's great. It's a great question

2051
01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:09,240
Speaker 1: because Bruce was so dominant and Jim was for his position.

2052
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 1: Like we've we've heard, he's top ten fifteen player all

2053
01:42:12,520 --> 01:42:15,280
Speaker 1: time in the NFL at quarterback, first ballot Hall of Famer,

2054
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:19,320
Speaker 1: Bruce has put up numbers, individual numbers. You think if

2055
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly would have had the individual numbers for his

2056
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:26,439
Speaker 1: position that Bruce Smith had at his position. You're talking about,

2057
01:42:27,320 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 1: you know, Peyton Manning numbers, you know, without the Super

2058
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 1: Bowl championships, right, I mean you're talking about Bruce Smith

2059
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,519
Speaker 1: put had something she'd beat my uncle basically. Well, that's

2060
01:42:37,520 --> 01:42:39,679
Speaker 1: just that you're you're trying to It's like a little

2061
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,880
Speaker 1: bit apples to oranges because they didn't play different positions.

2062
01:42:41,880 --> 01:42:44,519
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, Bruce Smith put two hundred sacks

2063
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: out there, never gonna be touched. So what would a

2064
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 1: quarterback have to do to put a number out there

2065
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: that would never be touched? Right? Right, That's how good

2066
01:42:52,520 --> 01:42:55,879
Speaker 1: he would have had to be to match Bruce's dominance

2067
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:59,120
Speaker 1: at his own position. So it's that's one way to

2068
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:01,360
Speaker 1: slice it where Kelly I'll never catch up to Bruce. Right,

2069
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 1: call here from Mike and Amhurst ahead, Mike, Welcome to

2070
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,559
Speaker 1: the show. Hey guys, how's it going? What's going well? Now?

2071
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:12,200
Speaker 1: Without having too much perspective, Without having too much perspective,

2072
01:43:12,200 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 1: because I'm kind of a young guy, I still think

2073
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,800
Speaker 1: that the quarterback is the most important position, even in

2074
01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,479
Speaker 1: that day and age. But the teams before Kelly got

2075
01:43:21,520 --> 01:43:23,680
Speaker 1: there was kind of were kind of not great, and

2076
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: then it was really kind of him that kind of

2077
01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:28,559
Speaker 1: made a huge, huge difference. You could have had Smith

2078
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:32,240
Speaker 1: on there, yeah, and not do as much. Well, I

2079
01:43:32,240 --> 01:43:34,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean there were it was Kelly Hall

2080
01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:37,400
Speaker 1: of Famer, Bruce Smith Hall of Famer, Andre Reid Hall

2081
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 1: of Famer, thurm and Thomas Hall of Famer, James Lofton

2082
01:43:39,560 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. So to say that without Kelly that

2083
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:46,320
Speaker 1: team wouldn't have done much, I don't know if I'm

2084
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:50,080
Speaker 1: buying that. Steve, I appreciate and love what Jim Kelly

2085
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,000
Speaker 1: meant to that team, and I think you could argue

2086
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:54,320
Speaker 1: the quarterback is the most important piece, but there were

2087
01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:57,479
Speaker 1: plenty of good pieces around them, Steve and Mike. Even

2088
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: with them, I mean, they got Jim Kelly right at

2089
01:43:59,479 --> 01:44:02,200
Speaker 1: the beginning of the eighty sixth season. They didn't go

2090
01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,360
Speaker 1: to the playoffs till eighty eight, so it was two

2091
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: took him two full years to get under his belt,

2092
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,880
Speaker 1: and then when when nineteen eighty eight hit, they went

2093
01:44:09,920 --> 01:44:12,679
Speaker 1: twelve and four with Bruce's there as well. Bruce got

2094
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,080
Speaker 1: there in eighty five, so it was eighty five six seven.

2095
01:44:15,080 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: It was his fourth year Bruce's fourth year and Jim's

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01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,320
Speaker 1: third year that the team finally took off. So there

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01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:24,200
Speaker 1: was a lot of pieces missing. It was a it

2098
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: was a roster around those guys that was bereft of talent.

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01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 1: And then when they started, you know, they drafted Thurman

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01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Thomas in eighty eight and he was if you want

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01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:35,880
Speaker 1: to make a different a case for a guy that

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01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,240
Speaker 1: really made a difference. Thurman was the final piece to

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01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:43,960
Speaker 1: a puzzle that wasn't amazing, but he was a second

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01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,880
Speaker 1: round draft pick. So he's not in the conference this

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Speaker 1: particular conversation. And I've said this a lot, uh in

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01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,800
Speaker 1: you know, when we had Thurman's festival of a month

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01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:55,880
Speaker 1: and a half over the course of the begins, when

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01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,640
Speaker 1: we retired as jersey number, I said, the team really

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01:44:58,680 --> 01:45:00,880
Speaker 1: didn't get good until he got there. So you can

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Speaker 1: say what you want about Bruce and Jim, and they were,

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Speaker 1: you know, first ballot Hall of famers that team, and

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Speaker 1: the final missing piece of that puzzle, in my opinion,

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01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:12,439
Speaker 1: was Thurman. But he's not in this conversation. And I'm

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01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: not saying Thurman's wall all that much better than Bruce

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01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:15,840
Speaker 1: or Jim, but I'm just saying there was a lot

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01:45:16,120 --> 01:45:19,040
Speaker 1: this football thing that has a lot of moving parts,

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01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 1: and as good as Bruce and Jim were, they'll tell

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01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,720
Speaker 1: you there are a ton of guys that helped them

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01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: in their in their way along there and to make

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Speaker 1: that team successful. It was a good observation on the

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01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,920
Speaker 1: tweet sheet from dapper D the question who was the

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Speaker 1: best Bill's first round in history? First round draft pick

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01:45:34,520 --> 01:45:37,519
Speaker 1: in history? Dapper D says, tough choice it is. He

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01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: says none of the three made an immediate impact. It

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01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,720
Speaker 1: took two or three years before they were superstars. But

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01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 1: since Kelly and Smith's careers basically overlapped each other, I'll

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01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:50,320
Speaker 1: pick oj. That's an interesting point. It is interesting that

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01:45:50,439 --> 01:45:53,080
Speaker 1: nobody out of the box was a superstar. Maybe that

2129
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: doesn't happen much in the NFL. What do you think

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01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,600
Speaker 1: it's a good point. I mean it speaks to the

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01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 1: fact that the franchise needed a lot of help. When

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01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:04,400
Speaker 1: those guys showed up, it was in a bad state.

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01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 1: They were two and fourteen in nineteen eighty four, two

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01:46:06,920 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: and fourteen in nineteen eighty five, and they were one

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01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:13,559
Speaker 1: and like one of nine or one in eight in

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01:46:13,880 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six before they made the change to Marv Levy.

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01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,680
Speaker 1: Then Marv Levy got the job and they started to

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01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,040
Speaker 1: climb out of that hole. And by the way, the

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01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:29,000
Speaker 1: team was bad in the years that immediately preceded OJ two,

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01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:31,160
Speaker 1: which is how they got the first overall picks, right,

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01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:35,240
Speaker 1: So it it you're kind of in the abyss when

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01:46:35,240 --> 01:46:39,839
Speaker 1: you get the first overall pick, and you know, hopefully

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01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: it's you get a guy you can start to build around.

2144
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: And that's what the team was able to do with

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01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:46,439
Speaker 1: Bill Polly and Marv Levy calling the shots and picking

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01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:49,680
Speaker 1: players after that. Thanks thanks for that tweet, though, I

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01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,680
Speaker 1: got us think and defected everybody. Everybody, all of them

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01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:55,519
Speaker 1: took two or three years to become superstars. I'm trying

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01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,599
Speaker 1: to think a little bit whether that's unusual or not.

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01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, Patrick mah Holmes in his second year became

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01:47:02,120 --> 01:47:05,840
Speaker 1: superstar after sitting the bench really essentially in his first year.

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01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 1: Eric Ostereicher tweets this in response to who is the

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01:47:10,280 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: Bill's best first round pick in history? Eric Ostereiser first,

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01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 1: an abbous choice to me, Jim Kelly. I don't know

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01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:19,439
Speaker 1: if it's obvious. He goes on to say, I think

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01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,640
Speaker 1: Bruce as first choice draft was the missing part of

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01:47:22,680 --> 01:47:24,960
Speaker 1: that era. Wouldn't that be the position we have to

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01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: seek for a star defensive end. I'm sure that for

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01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,160
Speaker 1: quarterback pressure and some sacks in the Boston area is

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01:47:30,160 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: so optimistic. Go Bills. Eric Osterreicher, who is a listener

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Speaker 1: and a Twitter from France, huge Bills fan, responding Jim

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01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:42,160
Speaker 1: Kelly and Vince Guarena with his tweet response, gotta be

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01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:45,920
Speaker 1: Bruce all time sack leader, always a difference maker. Kelly

2164
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:48,360
Speaker 1: is a close second. The ka gun was unparalleled during

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl run, but Bruce Smith was a beast.

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01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,559
Speaker 1: The ka gun NoHo kept that defense on the field

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01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,760
Speaker 1: for a long time. I'd vote for Bruce Smith, and

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01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,920
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that Kelly has rebounded in our

2169
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 1: unscientific Twitter poll and is taken the lead. But I

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01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,880
Speaker 1: would vote for Bruce Smith as the one. Steve Yeah,

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01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:10,080
Speaker 1: I do too, because when you supposedly the first pick

2172
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:12,000
Speaker 1: of the NFL Draft has got to be a guy

2173
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 1: that's going to be a great pro, a great professional

2174
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:19,000
Speaker 1: football player who dominates his position or is an all

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01:48:19,080 --> 01:48:21,960
Speaker 1: pro level player for a long period of time. Bruce

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01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 1: Smith was all of that first ballot Hall of Famer,

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01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:31,080
Speaker 1: set the league record for career sacks at two hundred

2178
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,559
Speaker 1: and played a long and illustrious and productive career and

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01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 1: was a factor and a huge factor in at this point,

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01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 1: probably the greatest team in this franchise's history. Great one

2181
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: of the greatest teams in this franchise's history. So yeah,

2182
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:51,840
Speaker 1: he did everything he was supposed to do as a

2183
01:48:51,880 --> 01:48:54,360
Speaker 1: first overall pick of the draft, and he did it

2184
01:48:54,439 --> 01:48:56,559
Speaker 1: from day one. He had thirteen sacks as a rookie,

2185
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:01,120
Speaker 1: so he came right in and started right away. It

2186
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,559
Speaker 1: was yeah, I mean, he just he had miss a beat.

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01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:06,400
Speaker 1: He was everything he was supposed to be from the

2188
01:49:06,439 --> 01:49:09,040
Speaker 1: moment he was drafted. Hey, can I switch gears a

2189
01:49:09,040 --> 01:49:11,479
Speaker 1: little bit because it was a really interesting post on

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01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 1: over the weekend nfl dot Com. No, it's today the

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Speaker 1: NFL's top five rivalries for the upcoming season. You're ready?

2192
01:49:21,520 --> 01:49:27,959
Speaker 1: Top five? Let's hear it. Number five Texans and Coals. Okay, yeah, seriously,

2193
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 1: anybody gonna alter their weekend plans this fall to watch

2194
01:49:31,320 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 1: stay on and watch the Texans. You're not here in

2195
01:49:33,200 --> 01:49:36,679
Speaker 1: Western New York, right, These are the NFL's top NFL's

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01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:41,200
Speaker 1: top five rivalries. Number four Cowboys and Eagles. That's getting

2197
01:49:41,200 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 1: warmer to start. It's a good number three Rams and Saints. Well, yes,

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01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:53,680
Speaker 1: there's history now, right. Number two Chiefs and Chargers. I

2199
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:56,040
Speaker 1: mean they'll play twice two. That's two teams that have

2200
01:49:56,160 --> 01:49:59,439
Speaker 1: high expectations and aspirations for this coming gear. Yeah, Patrick

2201
01:49:59,439 --> 01:50:01,720
Speaker 1: Mahomes for this is a Philip Rivers. What's number one? Mph?

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01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Are you ready? You'll remember this is the NFL dot

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01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:06,760
Speaker 1: com estimation. And there's one other rivalry that they have

2204
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 1: as their bonus pick. But the number one rivalry this

2205
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: year twenty nineteen in the NFL. Are you ready for this?

2206
01:50:12,240 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 1: Browns and Steelers? Browns fan in the control room, Browns.

2207
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,320
Speaker 1: I can get the excitement about the Browns. And they

2208
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:25,400
Speaker 1: showed up today. Odell Beckham was there today, a huge

2209
01:50:25,439 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 1: trade right, But um, I don't know it's Brown's. I mean,

2210
01:50:29,160 --> 01:50:31,720
Speaker 1: why do I think the Ravens and Steelers is a

2211
01:50:31,720 --> 01:50:33,920
Speaker 1: better rivalry, you know what I mean? Because they're there's

2212
01:50:33,960 --> 01:50:36,879
Speaker 1: history there. Where's the history of the Browns and Steelers rivalry?

2213
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 1: There's none, I think because there's so much hype and

2214
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: attention given to the Browns because of all the moves

2215
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 1: they are They are absolutely a team that I said

2216
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:52,680
Speaker 1: this out there in the break this last time. The

2217
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 1: Browns have this thing that they're this franchise that looks

2218
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: like with Odell Beckham thrown into this mix with Baker Mayfield,

2219
01:51:00,040 --> 01:51:05,040
Speaker 1: Harvis Landry, the defenders they have, they look like they

2220
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,120
Speaker 1: they're about to catch lightning in a bottle, you know

2221
01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:08,920
Speaker 1: what I mean, They're about to about to go and

2222
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: be going from the Cleveland Browns to like the Jim

2223
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:18,600
Speaker 1: Brown Cleveland Browns, Right, these dominant No, the hype, the

2224
01:51:18,680 --> 01:51:22,080
Speaker 1: hype says that. Yeah, so that's why you know, the

2225
01:51:22,160 --> 01:51:26,240
Speaker 1: only unknown about the Cleveland Browns to me is Freddie Kitchens. Right,

2226
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,960
Speaker 1: that's kind of a big unknown. Yeah, he's the head

2227
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 1: coach and he came from literally like nowhere to the

2228
01:51:35,200 --> 01:51:38,840
Speaker 1: centerpiece of that franchise for the moment, and he's got

2229
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,799
Speaker 1: all this these this roster that's got so many notable

2230
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,760
Speaker 1: players on it. All of a sudden, Yeah, the expectations

2231
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 1: are through the roof. And in that division, it always

2232
01:51:50,040 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 1: starts with the Steelers. So that now, all of a sudden,

2233
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:54,200
Speaker 1: that's arrivalry and I get it. So Ravens are the

2234
01:51:54,240 --> 01:51:58,439
Speaker 1: defending champs in that division. Yeah, Steelers have question marks

2235
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:01,600
Speaker 1: right with Levan Bell gall On Antonio Brown Gone. I

2236
01:52:01,640 --> 01:52:04,320
Speaker 1: still think that's a great, great, the best rivalry in

2237
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: that division. Steelers Ravens, Steelers Ravens. Yeah, much more steal

2238
01:52:08,040 --> 01:52:10,840
Speaker 1: than Browns Browns. I'm still improved mode when it comes

2239
01:52:10,840 --> 01:52:13,360
Speaker 1: to the Browns. Is it is it more or the Listen?

2240
01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:17,720
Speaker 1: I think the Browns are really interesting. Yeah, that's why

2241
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,240
Speaker 1: I think they go to the top of that list

2242
01:52:19,240 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I want They're gonna have a bunch

2243
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,320
Speaker 1: of primetime games this year. You know they are. They're

2244
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:26,400
Speaker 1: gonna have a ton of primetime games this year. Don't

2245
01:52:26,400 --> 01:52:29,759
Speaker 1: you think I do? So they're gonna be a team

2246
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 1: that everybody wants to see because you know, there's always

2247
01:52:31,880 --> 01:52:33,559
Speaker 1: that thing about redemption. They want to see a bad

2248
01:52:33,600 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: team who's been bad for a long time get good. Yeah.

2249
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 1: I want to see that, but not with the Browns. Yeah.

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01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,760
Speaker 1: Here's the bonus pick from NFL dot com. They have

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Speaker 1: the top five rivalries. We've read them to you. Their

2252
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:51,240
Speaker 1: bonus pick. The Bills and the Jets. Yes, Bill and Jets.

2253
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,840
Speaker 1: We can all we all understand why that is. It's big.

2254
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,680
Speaker 1: They're parallel and he goes on, Adam Rank writes this,

2255
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,120
Speaker 1: the Patriots are without it out. The main event in

2256
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:01,720
Speaker 1: the AFCs is they have been all millennium, but the

2257
01:53:01,800 --> 01:53:04,240
Speaker 1: Jets and the Bills have the opportunity to steal the show.

2258
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:08,120
Speaker 1: It's the quarterbacks, right, Sam Donald versus Josh Allen Levy

2259
01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:11,280
Speaker 1: on Bell Now with the New York Jets. The writer

2260
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,440
Speaker 1: goes on to say that the Bills took a shot

2261
01:53:13,479 --> 01:53:16,040
Speaker 1: and Antonio Brown the Bills obviously looking to make moves

2262
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:19,240
Speaker 1: and John Brown might not be the headline grabber Antonio

2263
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:21,280
Speaker 1: Brown would have been, but he has the skill set

2264
01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 1: to match what Josh Allen is able to do with

2265
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,880
Speaker 1: the bonus pick best rivalries, top five rivalry in the

2266
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:27,960
Speaker 1: NFL of the Bills and the Jets. And I think

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01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:30,200
Speaker 1: not only for twenty nineteenth set, but we've talked about this.

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01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:33,280
Speaker 1: The fact that Josh and Donald come into the same year,

2269
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,559
Speaker 1: hopefully both of them have well, at least one of

2270
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:38,400
Speaker 1: them has a good, long, productive NFL career, that makes it,

2271
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:42,080
Speaker 1: I think, a really intriguing rivalry to follow. They split

2272
01:53:42,120 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: their two games, no, yeah, except Josh was injured and

2273
01:53:47,400 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 1: that was the Matt Barkley game. And then they came

2274
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 1: in here and beat the Bills here. So yeah, I'm

2275
01:53:55,600 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm way into that too. I would love to see

2276
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:02,000
Speaker 1: a Jim Kelly dan Marino type rival rebud between Darnold

2277
01:54:02,360 --> 01:54:05,599
Speaker 1: and Josh Josh Allen, particularly if it goes the same

2278
01:54:05,600 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 1: way that Dan Marino Kelly rivalry went in our favor. Yeah,

2279
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: that's really fun to think about. Ye you know, because

2280
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,559
Speaker 1: I listen, I don't think anybody reminds having a good

2281
01:54:17,560 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 1: team in your division that you can beat, you know.

2282
01:54:20,280 --> 01:54:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean, you want to have one of those important

2283
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 1: games early in the season where you the Dolphins and

2284
01:54:25,479 --> 01:54:28,599
Speaker 1: Dan Marino rolling here, or the Jets and Darnald come

2285
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:30,479
Speaker 1: at show up here on opening Day or early in

2286
01:54:30,479 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 1: the season week four, when both teams are two and one,

2287
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:35,640
Speaker 1: you know, we're three and oz coming in here to

2288
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,800
Speaker 1: play and get a head up in the division. That'd

2289
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,840
Speaker 1: be a blast. Yeah, that would be a blast. I

2290
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 1: hope that works out for the building the Jets. All right,

2291
01:54:44,280 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 1: a break. We're back with morning, including best Bills first

2292
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:49,200
Speaker 1: round draft back of all time. More of that discussion

2293
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,480
Speaker 1: when we come back. John Murphy was steep tasker One

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01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:54,040
Speaker 1: Bill Slide from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio.

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01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:03,720
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show. John Murphy's team tasker. One

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Speaker 1: Bills line from one Doll's Drive. We're gonna have Lanzer

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01:55:06,480 --> 01:55:08,960
Speaker 1: line on. I think we moved him to tomorrow for

2298
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,440
Speaker 1: some sort of conflict reason that he had not us.

2299
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: We're ready to go. We want we don't open you

2300
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:16,360
Speaker 1: our Twitter pole question, who was the best Bills first

2301
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:18,640
Speaker 1: round draft pick in history? You can ring us up.

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Speaker 1: Let us know. Dave on the line from Houston, Dave,

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Speaker 1: what do you got? What do you think? Hey? All right,

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01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: and the four of this out there, and there's a

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01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:26,200
Speaker 1: couple of couple of dominos that I could fall with it.

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01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,080
Speaker 1: But when we're talking about Tom Kusino, who was the

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01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:32,400
Speaker 1: first pick, one of our first round picks, I think

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01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:34,960
Speaker 1: that pick eventually moved to Jim Kelly because I think

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01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,839
Speaker 1: the year Jim Kelly was drafted, Jim Kelly was actually

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01:55:38,840 --> 01:55:41,280
Speaker 1: that Cleveland Brown pick that we traded to the Browns.

2311
01:55:41,480 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: I think Tony Hunter was actually the Bills pick that year,

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01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:46,440
Speaker 1: and I think Tony Hunter was picked, I think two

2313
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 1: or three ahead of Jim Kelly. He was picked two

2314
01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: ahead of Jim Kelly. Tom Kuzino was drafted number one

2315
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 1: overall by the Buffalo Bills in nineteen seventy nine. The

2316
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:59,080
Speaker 1: Kelly pick came along in nineteen eighty three after Kuzno

2317
01:55:59,160 --> 01:56:01,200
Speaker 1: decided to come back in the league. I guess from

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01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:04,800
Speaker 1: played in Canada. Yeah, yeah, you're right, and Tony Hunter

2319
01:56:04,840 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: was number twelve, Jim was fourteen overall, So you're right.

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01:56:07,800 --> 01:56:10,680
Speaker 1: I think that because that's a neat little thing when

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01:56:10,680 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: you think about how the relationship kind of went that way,

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01:56:13,240 --> 01:56:16,000
Speaker 1: and I think Tony Hunter actually ended up being Corney

2323
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: Lee Spennett and there was a couple movements there and

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01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: a couple other things, so it's a pretty pretty interesting draft,

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01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: but without the Kuzano thing and actually Cleveland needing the linebacker,

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01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:27,120
Speaker 1: which I think, like you said, I think they eventually

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01:56:27,120 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 1: went over there after Montreal or something like that. Then

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01:56:29,960 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: that actually is I think how that kind of worked out.

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01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,560
Speaker 1: I know there's other players that were first round picks,

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01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: Brews some with other people, but I think that's just

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01:56:36,520 --> 01:56:38,800
Speaker 1: kind of a neat little Yeah, yeah, it is neat.

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01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:40,480
Speaker 1: It might be right. We should get Tom Cusin on

2333
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:44,400
Speaker 1: the show sometime maybe just to check in with him.

2334
01:56:44,480 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: No hard feelings, right, hard feeling, hard feelings Tom don't

2335
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:50,360
Speaker 1: know what went down. There was a seventy nine. It's

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01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,560
Speaker 1: forty years so we're approaching the forty year anniversary of that, right,

2337
01:56:53,640 --> 01:56:56,640
Speaker 1: we gotta get him on, Okay, get him on to

2338
01:56:56,680 --> 01:56:58,920
Speaker 1: make that my mission. I knew what I'd ask him

2339
01:56:59,160 --> 01:57:01,480
Speaker 1: do it. How was the Canadian Football League would be

2340
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:03,360
Speaker 1: right up there. But you get them CFL and you

2341
01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:07,520
Speaker 1: at least from family wise here, Okay, I think that

2342
01:57:07,560 --> 01:57:09,560
Speaker 1: has to happen. What do you think it might be? Right?

2343
01:57:11,120 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 1: It might be right. Let me see we could Maybe

2344
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:16,560
Speaker 1: we'll do it on the day that he was drafted

2345
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 1: forty years later. Wouldn't that be cool? Do I sound

2346
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 1: like I'm stretching for ideas? Write it down. We'll get

2347
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:26,200
Speaker 1: back to that. Yeah, yes, I agree. The Twitter poll,

2348
01:57:26,440 --> 01:57:28,200
Speaker 1: what was the Bills? Who was the Bills best first

2349
01:57:28,280 --> 01:57:31,640
Speaker 1: round pick in history? No cool nickname tweets this in

2350
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:34,680
Speaker 1: From a purely football standpoint, the best first round draft

2351
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 1: pick was OJ Simpson. He did things on the field

2352
01:57:37,240 --> 01:57:41,400
Speaker 1: no others could or will do. The Yeah, I mean,

2353
01:57:41,480 --> 01:57:44,040
Speaker 1: there's that's the argument, right. It's a pretty good argument,

2354
01:57:44,600 --> 01:57:47,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's a difficult argument to make because of

2355
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:49,960
Speaker 1: the time difference. Right, that was nineteen sixty nine, that's

2356
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:52,840
Speaker 1: fifty years ago in the NFL Draft when OJ was

2357
01:57:53,200 --> 01:57:56,440
Speaker 1: drafted by the Bills. Different game, different era, no question

2358
01:57:56,480 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: about that. But OJ was a transcendent talent. He was

2359
01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:03,600
Speaker 1: He was every Michael Jordan of that era. And he

2360
01:58:03,680 --> 01:58:06,200
Speaker 1: was everything that Jim Kelly was when for the Bills

2361
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: team and more. Actually, OJ was the absolute engine that

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01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,520
Speaker 1: ran that entire team. And you know, Jim had Bruce,

2363
01:58:14,560 --> 01:58:19,360
Speaker 1: he had Thurman, he had Andre Reid, Cornelius, Bennett, Kent

2364
01:58:19,440 --> 01:58:22,400
Speaker 1: holes At, you know, Darryl Tye had some guys. So

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01:58:22,640 --> 01:58:25,720
Speaker 1: OJ and now OJ did have the Electric Company too,

2366
01:58:26,600 --> 01:58:28,520
Speaker 1: so he had some help as well. Let's not forget.

2367
01:58:28,640 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 1: But as far as perception about the team, it was O. J.

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01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:36,839
Speaker 1: Simpson and the Buffalo Bills showing up on Monday Night football.

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01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:44,240
Speaker 1: So you can make that case easily. Yeah. Yeah, that's

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01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: why he's on the list. That's why he's one of

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01:58:45,880 --> 01:58:48,600
Speaker 1: the three names on our list. Team many twenty two

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01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:51,240
Speaker 1: tweets this and I go with Jimbo. While Bruce was

2373
01:58:51,240 --> 01:58:53,880
Speaker 1: one of the best ever plays position, quarterback is the

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01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: most important position in football. Ed and Jim and Ed

2375
01:58:57,680 --> 01:58:59,840
Speaker 1: and Jim was a mid first rounder, Bruce was number one.

2376
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: We're all lastly, Jim has done a lot for the

2377
01:59:02,240 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 1: city and remains a Buffalo resident. All good arguments. Yeah,

2378
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 1: Jim was the middle of the first round at fourteen.

2379
01:59:08,640 --> 01:59:10,840
Speaker 1: Bruce was number one overall. But it's a tough between

2380
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:13,600
Speaker 1: those two especially, it seems like that's what's given people

2381
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:17,200
Speaker 1: the most pause, like is it Jim or is it Bruce?

2382
01:59:17,240 --> 01:59:20,320
Speaker 1: And the compelling argument can be made for either one. Yeah,

2383
01:59:20,360 --> 01:59:24,920
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, and who know? And you know, it's not

2384
01:59:24,960 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 1: like you have to check choose and we have to

2385
01:59:26,720 --> 01:59:28,800
Speaker 1: live with it. I mean, you can change your mind

2386
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:31,320
Speaker 1: and it's not like either it changes the contribution of

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01:59:31,320 --> 01:59:34,080
Speaker 1: either one of them. Because of the present moment you're

2388
01:59:34,080 --> 01:59:35,800
Speaker 1: feeling it for one of them the other or the other.

2389
01:59:35,840 --> 01:59:39,680
Speaker 1: But because they both had there, they're both first ballot

2390
01:59:39,680 --> 01:59:43,680
Speaker 1: Hall of famers. And Bruce had a seventeen year NFL career,

2391
01:59:43,800 --> 01:59:49,960
Speaker 1: seventeen years playing d line, two hundred sacks. That's averaging

2392
01:59:50,040 --> 01:59:58,520
Speaker 1: double digit sacks for seventeen years. Who does that? Nobody?

2393
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:02,520
Speaker 1: It's amazing. Um, we'll get back to that in a moment,

2394
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 1: but time now for NFL True or False Brought to

2395
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:07,520
Speaker 1: you by Yancey's Fancy New York's artists and cheese. A

2396
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:10,400
Speaker 1: couple of contentions being made out there about the nfls.

2397
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:12,320
Speaker 1: He puts his glasses on because you know it's about

2398
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: to get serious here here we go. Do you like

2399
02:00:15,120 --> 02:00:17,080
Speaker 1: Tura false tea? I do? What do you like about it?

2400
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:19,120
Speaker 1: The banter, the back and forth. Yes, I do. I

2401
02:00:19,200 --> 02:00:22,040
Speaker 1: like how wrong you can be? And then I like

2402
02:00:22,160 --> 02:00:24,680
Speaker 1: how wrong you prove I could be? So that's fun,

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02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:28,280
Speaker 1: all right? Tura false Number one. The Kansas City Chiefs

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02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:30,720
Speaker 1: are the twenty eighteen playoff team in the most trouble

2405
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 1: this season? Wow, why would they be in trouble? Well,

2406
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 1: they've lost some players, But are they I don't know

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02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:41,120
Speaker 1: if they're the playoff team in the most trouble? Are

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02:00:41,160 --> 02:00:43,520
Speaker 1: they right? I'm going over the playoff teams here. You've

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02:00:43,560 --> 02:00:49,720
Speaker 1: got you know, New England, US from Baltimore, LA Chargers

2410
02:00:49,720 --> 02:00:55,160
Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, or you've got New Orleans, the Rams, Chicago, Dallas, Seattle,

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02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:59,760
Speaker 1: and Philly. What do you think? I think Philly's in

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02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:01,839
Speaker 1: the more trouble anybody. They barely got in the playoffs

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02:01:01,880 --> 02:01:03,640
Speaker 1: this last year at nine and seven after going to

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02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:06,800
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. They've got a quarterback, a franchise quarterback

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02:01:07,120 --> 02:01:09,400
Speaker 1: that doesn't have the backup that he's had in the

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02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:11,680
Speaker 1: last few years when he's been injured both years. I

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02:01:11,720 --> 02:01:14,160
Speaker 1: think Philly's got a lot to worry about. Not that

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02:01:14,200 --> 02:01:16,440
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz can't play, but how long can he stay

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02:01:16,440 --> 02:01:17,920
Speaker 1: on the field. I think that's starting to be a

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02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 1: concern there. And I don't think they've got the same

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02:01:21,240 --> 02:01:22,840
Speaker 1: roster that they did two years ago when they won

2422
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:25,240
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So I think Philly, after backing in

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02:01:25,320 --> 02:01:27,080
Speaker 1: and having that, you can call it what you want,

2424
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,280
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl hangover or whatever, I think Philly's in

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02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:31,920
Speaker 1: more trouble than any of the other teams. They were

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02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 1: nine and seven last year. They're the only nine and

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02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,000
Speaker 1: seven team to get into the playoffs last year, and

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02:01:37,160 --> 02:01:39,560
Speaker 1: it was they had to back you back pedal in.

2429
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,680
Speaker 1: So I'd say the Philadelphia Eagles rather than the Kansas

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02:01:41,720 --> 02:01:43,760
Speaker 1: City Chiefs. There's an argument to be made for Kansas

2431
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 1: City though, justin Houston gone, de Ford gone, Tyreek Hill

2432
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:52,720
Speaker 1: status up in the air with his legal troubles. You

2433
02:01:52,720 --> 02:01:55,400
Speaker 1: can argue the Chiefs have Mitch Morris is gone. Yeah,

2434
02:01:55,440 --> 02:01:58,000
Speaker 1: their center is gone. I would I would say the

2435
02:01:58,440 --> 02:02:00,800
Speaker 1: Ravens have more issues. Look, it's left the Ravens if

2436
02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:03,520
Speaker 1: you look at a playoff team, John Brown, Michael Crabtree

2437
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:08,000
Speaker 1: on defense, Terrell Suggs, Eric Weddle, CJ. Moseley, Zadarius Smith.

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02:02:08,640 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna vote for the Ravens, says the team, not

2439
02:02:10,600 --> 02:02:13,360
Speaker 1: the I say this is false. The Ravens not the Chiefs.

2440
02:02:13,400 --> 02:02:15,760
Speaker 1: The playoff team from last year in the most trouble.

2441
02:02:15,840 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 1: Now it's it's still midway through the offseason, so you

2442
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:21,440
Speaker 1: can make some changes, you can draft some people, but

2443
02:02:21,720 --> 02:02:24,840
Speaker 1: I would vote the Ravens inside of the Chiefs. NFL

2444
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:27,880
Speaker 1: True or false? Part two. The Raiders should draft a

2445
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:31,160
Speaker 1: quarterback high in this year's draft. We talked about during

2446
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:34,560
Speaker 1: the updates today how the Raiders are meeting with Kyler Murray,

2447
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:36,960
Speaker 1: Derek harr just going into the third year of his

2448
02:02:37,000 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 1: five year contract. They're working out Kyler Murray, They're gonna

2449
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,520
Speaker 1: work out Dwayne Haskins. They've already coached up Drew Locke

2450
02:02:43,560 --> 02:02:46,280
Speaker 1: and Dukes, Daniel Jones and the Senior Bowl. So the

2451
02:02:46,360 --> 02:02:50,080
Speaker 1: Raiders should draft a quarterback high in this year's draft. Look,

2452
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 1: they're always going to talk to quarterbacks that that's Gruden's thing.

2453
02:02:52,680 --> 02:02:55,080
Speaker 1: But I say false. You don't have to go high

2454
02:02:55,080 --> 02:02:57,320
Speaker 1: with a quarterback. I think Derek Carr is gonna have

2455
02:02:57,480 --> 02:03:00,160
Speaker 1: kind of a bounce back season with the talent they've

2456
02:03:00,160 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 1: surrounded them with. So I would say false to this. Yeah,

2457
02:03:02,200 --> 02:03:07,000
Speaker 1: I think that's crazy talk. Derek Carr is a really

2458
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:09,200
Speaker 1: good quarterback. He's going in. He's just in this middle

2459
02:03:09,200 --> 02:03:11,280
Speaker 1: of his second contract. He you know, he hasn't even

2460
02:03:11,280 --> 02:03:13,520
Speaker 1: played ten years yet, he's not even near it. So

2461
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:16,640
Speaker 1: and he remember they were twelve and four a couple

2462
02:03:16,680 --> 02:03:19,280
Speaker 1: of handful of years ago under Jack del Rio, and

2463
02:03:19,280 --> 02:03:23,120
Speaker 1: then they've had head coaching change back to Gruden. They

2464
02:03:23,200 --> 02:03:25,080
Speaker 1: got to put a team around him. I don't care

2465
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:27,680
Speaker 1: who's playing quarterback. They don't have that. Those guys around him,

2466
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,920
Speaker 1: they're not going to get it done. I No, I

2467
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:33,640
Speaker 1: think it's false. You do not. The Raiders need way

2468
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:36,480
Speaker 1: more help than a quarterback to come in and learn

2469
02:03:36,520 --> 02:03:38,320
Speaker 1: from Derek Carr, or to back him up, or even

2470
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,680
Speaker 1: to compete for his starting job. They've got way too

2471
02:03:40,680 --> 02:03:42,839
Speaker 1: many holes in their roster to worry about a quarterback

2472
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 1: at this point in history. Okay, we're both false asigned

2473
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:48,440
Speaker 1: that one finally NFL. True or false? With Gronk retired,

2474
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:51,000
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey of the Chiefs is now the best tight

2475
02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:53,200
Speaker 1: end in the National Football League. You want to go

2476
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:56,160
Speaker 1: first on this team? Yeah, I'll say yeah. He's got

2477
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:58,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback that needs him and uses him. He's gonna

2478
02:03:58,120 --> 02:04:00,480
Speaker 1: have more opportunities than any tight end in the league.

2479
02:04:00,640 --> 02:04:03,120
Speaker 1: They're an offense first team. They've got a head coach

2480
02:04:03,200 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 1: that loves to throw the football every single down if

2481
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 1: he can. I think Travis Kelsey's going to have another

2482
02:04:08,320 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 1: year that's phenomenal, and and for good reason. He's talented,

2483
02:04:12,840 --> 02:04:15,160
Speaker 1: and he's got a quarterback that was almost an MVP Ladder,

2484
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:18,840
Speaker 1: was an MVP candidate last year, and so I think, yeah,

2485
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:20,839
Speaker 1: it's going to be more of the same for Travis Kelsey,

2486
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:24,680
Speaker 1: even better with Pat Mahomes second year on coming up.

2487
02:04:24,760 --> 02:04:27,920
Speaker 1: So I say yes, that's true, I'd say false, that's

2488
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:31,600
Speaker 1: not true. I say Kittle San Francisco. It is probably

2489
02:04:31,640 --> 02:04:33,960
Speaker 1: a more talented tight end. I think Kelsey benefits a

2490
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,720
Speaker 1: lot from from that offense, from that system, and obviously

2491
02:04:36,760 --> 02:04:41,640
Speaker 1: now with Mahomes, he benefits from mahomes outstanding talent. I

2492
02:04:41,640 --> 02:04:43,680
Speaker 1: think he's pretty good Kelsey, but I don't think he's

2493
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:46,600
Speaker 1: the best. I think Kittle at San Francisco is the best.

2494
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:49,040
Speaker 1: So I'm going falls. Well, there you go, NFL kind

2495
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:50,840
Speaker 1: of falls brought to you by Yancy's fancy. I can

2496
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:52,640
Speaker 1: live with New York artisan cheese. Can you live with that?

2497
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:54,480
Speaker 1: You can't? Yeah, I'm okay with that. Hey, we got

2498
02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:55,880
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes left here. If you want to

2499
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:58,160
Speaker 1: weigh in on our topic of the day, who is

2500
02:04:58,200 --> 02:05:01,120
Speaker 1: the best Bill's first round pick in franchise history? We

2501
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:03,560
Speaker 1: give you a couple of choices. I'm amazed, blown away

2502
02:05:03,560 --> 02:05:06,040
Speaker 1: by the number of votes in this one. What do

2503
02:05:06,080 --> 02:05:08,840
Speaker 1: you think that is, Steve, The simplicity, the fact that

2504
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:11,320
Speaker 1: it's a simple. Look, We've got forty one hundred votes

2505
02:05:11,360 --> 02:05:14,440
Speaker 1: casts on Twitter. Forty one hundred. That's like twice as

2506
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:16,600
Speaker 1: many as a good day. Who is the best Bill's

2507
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 1: first round draft pick in team history? On the Twitter

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Speaker 1: poll right now, Jim Kelly is the leader. Forty three

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Speaker 1: percent of you say Kelly, forty one percent of you

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Speaker 1: say Bruce Smith, thirteen percent say o j Simpson, three

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02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 1: percent say somebody else. Um, it's really close. That's as

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Speaker 1: close as they comes to you. Very close. It's a

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Speaker 1: great yeah, and I love this you're I did. I

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Speaker 1: think it's a great Twitter question. And it's funny because

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02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:42,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking, why do we have to put their

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Speaker 1: last names in? You know, it's it's O, J, Jim

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Speaker 1: and Bruce, Yeah, bubbles, like you know, you don't even

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02:05:48,800 --> 02:05:51,440
Speaker 1: need the names or the years, you just just call

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Speaker 1: them out what they are. Jim Bruce started out. For

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Speaker 1: those of you who just joined us, Bruce started out

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Speaker 1: with this huge lead. He had half the votes. No,

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02:05:59,320 --> 02:06:02,080
Speaker 1: everybody else was trailing way behind Bruce Smith. And now

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02:06:02,160 --> 02:06:04,120
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly has climbed back into it and taking a

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02:06:04,160 --> 02:06:08,520
Speaker 1: slight lead forty three percent to forty two percent over Jim.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a great question. There's so many different

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Speaker 1: ways you can slice it because individually, if you slice

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02:06:13,480 --> 02:06:17,600
Speaker 1: it individually, Bruce Smith had the greatest career any defensive

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02:06:17,640 --> 02:06:20,720
Speaker 1: lineman has ever had in the NFL. So there you

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02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:22,800
Speaker 1: have it. And Jim was as good as he was

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02:06:22,920 --> 02:06:25,040
Speaker 1: and a big reason why the team was successful in

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02:06:25,040 --> 02:06:28,800
Speaker 1: the eighties and early nineties. He was the key ingredient

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02:06:28,840 --> 02:06:30,960
Speaker 1: at quarterback, making that thing go and doing all the

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02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 1: stuff offensively. So yeah, he was as important as anybody's

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Speaker 1: ever been to a team. So however way you want

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02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,120
Speaker 1: to slice it, you can make your pick. But it's

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02:06:39,160 --> 02:06:41,040
Speaker 1: been it's been a close race all day. It's been fun.

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Speaker 1: You don't I've liked about this races. Twitter poll is

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02:06:43,240 --> 02:06:46,080
Speaker 1: the thought that goes into some of the responses on

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02:06:46,080 --> 02:06:47,960
Speaker 1: the phone and even on Twitter, where you're limited by

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Speaker 1: character numbers. Obviously. Here's an interesting tweet on the tweet

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02:06:51,600 --> 02:06:54,280
Speaker 1: sheet from Phil t answering the question who is the

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02:06:54,320 --> 02:06:57,720
Speaker 1: Bill's best first round pick in history? Phil Te says,

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02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:00,840
Speaker 1: I think with Bruce having the strongest case for being

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02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:03,000
Speaker 1: the best ever at his position, you gotta go with him.

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02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,800
Speaker 1: With Bruce, that's a really strong argument, Steve. I mean

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02:07:06,440 --> 02:07:08,000
Speaker 1: you went through this earlier in the show. A couple

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02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:10,160
Speaker 1: of people. Oh yeah, read that to me again. He says,

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02:07:10,200 --> 02:07:12,360
Speaker 1: I think with Bruce having the strongest case for being

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02:07:12,360 --> 02:07:15,120
Speaker 1: the best ever at his position, you gotta go with him.

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02:07:15,120 --> 02:07:17,600
Speaker 1: So what he's saying is people will argue you just

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02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:20,000
Speaker 1: said if Bruce might have been the best, if not

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02:07:20,040 --> 02:07:23,440
Speaker 1: one of the best defensive ends ever in NFL history

2553
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:27,240
Speaker 1: the league wide? Yeah, everything anybody think that about Jim

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02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:30,000
Speaker 1: Kelly was he does he have an argument for me

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02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,560
Speaker 1: in the best quarterback ever at his position. Well no, no,

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02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:36,160
Speaker 1: not really. Yeah, and he's certainly could be a lot

2557
02:07:36,160 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: of people, not just Buffalo fans, but a lot of

2558
02:07:37,760 --> 02:07:40,160
Speaker 1: people's all time favorite. The way he played as toughness

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02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:42,520
Speaker 1: he had, the arrogance he had, and the swagger he had,

2560
02:07:42,560 --> 02:07:44,960
Speaker 1: and how he put his arms around the city and

2561
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:48,520
Speaker 1: the city returned the favor, and how he you know,

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02:07:48,560 --> 02:07:52,840
Speaker 1: the story of how he came to Buffalo, the big

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02:07:53,040 --> 02:07:56,840
Speaker 1: event that it was. And I've said this before for

2564
02:07:56,920 --> 02:07:59,400
Speaker 1: those of you who are alive and around, when Jim

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02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:02,560
Speaker 1: Kelly came to a Buffalo early nineteen eighty six season,

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Speaker 1: right there at the end of training camp, you remember

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02:08:05,720 --> 02:08:09,400
Speaker 1: people over the skyway, you know that the overpasses, the

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02:08:09,480 --> 02:08:12,560
Speaker 1: ninety people were hanging over the things and with signs

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02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:14,720
Speaker 1: and what an event it was. People lined up to

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02:08:14,720 --> 02:08:17,520
Speaker 1: get season tickets and it was all about how great

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02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:21,320
Speaker 1: it was and what a huge event it was. No. But,

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02:08:21,480 --> 02:08:24,080
Speaker 1: and I've said this as well, nobody in the history

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02:08:24,120 --> 02:08:26,120
Speaker 1: of the National Football League, and that may be another

2574
02:08:26,160 --> 02:08:28,920
Speaker 1: Twitter pool, has there ever been anybody in the history

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02:08:29,000 --> 02:08:32,000
Speaker 1: National Football League who was who was signed by a

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02:08:32,040 --> 02:08:36,560
Speaker 1: team with greater pressure to perform or greater expectations than

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02:08:36,640 --> 02:08:41,200
Speaker 1: Jim Kelly arriving in Buffalo in the league ever league history.

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02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:43,680
Speaker 1: You name a guy who was welcomed into into a

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02:08:43,720 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 1: city the way Jim Kelly was welcomed into Buffalo in

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02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:51,320
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty six, with almost a spontaneous outpouring of people

2581
02:08:51,880 --> 02:08:55,040
Speaker 1: looking over the overpasses of the ninety people of the stadium,

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02:08:55,080 --> 02:09:00,560
Speaker 1: people with signs unbelievable. And then this as a second Hartmurph,

2583
02:09:00,920 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 1: name a player who came through in a bigger way

2584
02:09:04,040 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: than Jim Kelly came through in Buffalo, first ballot, Hall

2585
02:09:06,960 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 1: of Famer, four Super Bowl appearances, all pro embraced the city,

2586
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:17,960
Speaker 1: personified the city, became an icon locally as a resident.

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02:09:17,960 --> 02:09:20,240
Speaker 1: There has never been a player in NFL history who

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02:09:20,360 --> 02:09:23,720
Speaker 1: arrived with more pressure to perform, higher expectations and came

2589
02:09:23,760 --> 02:09:27,480
Speaker 1: through in a bigger way. Baker Mayfield, he said one

2590
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 1: year incomplete, it's incomplete. He could that's a good one,

2591
02:09:31,080 --> 02:09:35,160
Speaker 1: but he did. They have spontaneous outpourings of hanging over

2592
02:09:35,200 --> 02:09:38,080
Speaker 1: the overpasses of them when he arrived. Did the word

2593
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 1: get before before social media? They knew when he got

2594
02:09:42,240 --> 02:09:44,160
Speaker 1: into Buffalo they found out, and word got out and

2595
02:09:44,160 --> 02:09:47,440
Speaker 1: people arrived with him at the airport. It was amazing.

2596
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:51,720
Speaker 1: That was before any of this was possible through social media.

2597
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 1: Never has a player arrived in a town with higher

2598
02:09:55,280 --> 02:10:00,160
Speaker 1: expectations and come through in a bigger way about It's

2599
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:06,760
Speaker 1: an interesting question. Peyton manning high expectations, won a Super Bowl. No,

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02:10:07,600 --> 02:10:09,200
Speaker 1: when he arrived, he was just he's a first round

2601
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 1: draft pick quarterback, hope you know, like Josh Allen was.

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02:10:13,160 --> 02:10:15,720
Speaker 1: Josh Allen didn't have a tenth of the fan fair

2603
02:10:15,760 --> 02:10:19,360
Speaker 1: that Jim Kelly did. Interesting question. I gotta think about. Yeah,

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02:10:19,440 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 1: that's I got you there. I didn't know. It's a

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02:10:20,880 --> 02:10:23,480
Speaker 1: good one. I think the answer. We got a wrangle

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02:10:23,520 --> 02:10:26,920
Speaker 1: of we gotta wrangle of tweed, wrangle, wrangle. This came

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02:10:26,920 --> 02:10:30,360
Speaker 1: out today ESPN. We're talking with Pereira about this earlier

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02:10:30,360 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 1: on the show. ESPN has hired John Perry as an

2609
02:10:33,520 --> 02:10:36,800
Speaker 1: officiating analyst. Another one just came, another one. Yeah. He

2610
02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,280
Speaker 1: was the head referee in the Super Bowl fifty three

2611
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:42,120
Speaker 1: last February, in the Patriots win over the Rams. He

2612
02:10:42,120 --> 02:10:45,560
Speaker 1: worked NFL games for nineteen years. John Perry leaves the

2613
02:10:46,040 --> 02:10:52,560
Speaker 1: officiating ranks to be ESPN's officiating analysts as Pereira said,

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02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:54,720
Speaker 1: the money's too good to pass up, right, and the

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02:10:54,720 --> 02:10:57,360
Speaker 1: pressure it can't be anywhere near it is to be

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02:10:57,400 --> 02:11:00,320
Speaker 1: on the field as an official, as a zero pressure. Right, Well,

2617
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:01,920
Speaker 1: you gotta be good, you gotta try to be good.

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02:11:02,320 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 1: But John, and there's another one that's you. You've said

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02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,520
Speaker 1: this during one of our breaks today. We talked about

2620
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:11,600
Speaker 1: this very topics. They're losing good ones because the money's

2621
02:11:11,640 --> 02:11:14,880
Speaker 1: not good enough. Full time officials. Pay them a lot,

2622
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:17,839
Speaker 1: make it, make it worse something to be an NFL official,

2623
02:11:18,200 --> 02:11:20,400
Speaker 1: Make it worse something to be a youth official too,

2624
02:11:20,400 --> 02:11:23,080
Speaker 1: But pay them a lot, keep them, you know, keep

2625
02:11:23,080 --> 02:11:25,600
Speaker 1: the good ones. Why is it an issue? Keep the

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02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:27,880
Speaker 1: good ones, keep them off TV, keep them on the

2627
02:11:27,880 --> 02:11:30,760
Speaker 1: field doing a very important job, and at the very minimum,

2628
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 1: make them full time employees who have a stake in

2629
02:11:34,560 --> 02:11:37,000
Speaker 1: the game, stake in doing a good job. It's pretty

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02:11:37,040 --> 02:11:38,440
Speaker 1: simple to me. I don't know why they fight that.

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02:11:40,560 --> 02:11:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm too totally with you. So you went from disagreeing

2632
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:45,680
Speaker 1: with me looking for a wrangle, to not with you.

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02:11:45,800 --> 02:11:48,400
Speaker 1: I'm good, We've been different. I was wrangling a different subject.

2634
02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:53,240
Speaker 1: But you're right that they keep it cherry picking these

2635
02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:55,880
Speaker 1: top guys in the NFL, and the NFL is not

2636
02:11:55,880 --> 02:11:58,680
Speaker 1: as good for it. Broadcasts are good, yeah, but the

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Speaker 1: league's not a care. We're back One Bill's Live from

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Speaker 1: One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bills Radio. What have we

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. But Mike Pereira with US Live in studio

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Speaker 1: today to talk about officiating. He's also talking about sponsoring

2644
02:12:29,840 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 1: this golf tournament coming up in mid June in Rochester.

2645
02:12:33,320 --> 02:12:37,680
Speaker 1: But we asked Mike Pereira about officiating and about using

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02:12:38,200 --> 02:12:41,320
Speaker 1: replay on past interference calls. Here's what Mike Pereira had

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02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:45,280
Speaker 1: to say. Gonna have to look and you have three things.

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02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have to look at timing. That's

2649
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:49,480
Speaker 1: one thing you're gonna have to look about, and then

2650
02:12:49,480 --> 02:12:51,840
Speaker 1: the contact itself. Remember the rule says it has to

2651
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:55,520
Speaker 1: significantly hinder the receiver's ability to make the catch. So

2652
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:58,160
Speaker 1: that's your second judgment. And then the third one is

2653
02:12:58,200 --> 02:13:01,919
Speaker 1: it catchable. You know that. So it's just we've always

2654
02:13:01,880 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 1: see replayed. We brought it in to correct plays based

2655
02:13:06,520 --> 02:13:13,120
Speaker 1: on facts, not judgment, ground lines, planes, um, but it's

2656
02:13:13,120 --> 02:13:18,040
Speaker 1: slowly morphed into judgment. Boy Prayr's right, Steve, when they

2657
02:13:18,040 --> 02:13:20,960
Speaker 1: brought and replayed was about position and possession, and it's

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Speaker 1: now it's huge and we've talked about it. I want

2659
02:13:23,000 --> 02:13:25,360
Speaker 1: to get up out of again, but it's it's it's

2660
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:27,760
Speaker 1: taken over the game. Replay not gonna ruin the game.

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02:13:27,840 --> 02:13:30,320
Speaker 1: We'll be fine. I think I think it's going to

2662
02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,480
Speaker 1: be interesting this year, Steve, we're out of time. Good

2663
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:37,680
Speaker 1: job today. Production assistants George Blast, Jeff Colton, Thomas Hollander,

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Speaker 1: Kelly Rude, j J. Turito, Kevin Cargis, James robol Our,

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Speaker 1: producer Jay Harris. We'll see tomorrow at noon. One Bill's

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Speaker 1: Live from One Bill's Drive on Buffalo Bill's Radio